good evening everyone believe me when I tell you I'm thrilled that you're all here um my face may not say that later but I'm telling you now um I love it when people show so thank you all for coming the planning board meeting of Red
Bank will now come to order this 26th day of March the time is 700 p.m. notice this meeting is being held with according to the public law 1975 chapter 231 an adequate notice of this meeting has been provided by notice sent of the Asbury Park Press and the two over times as well as posted in the main lobby of
the municipal building and the municipal website can we have a roll call please may pman here bit pck sorry
Thomas Christina bonis present D here l d here Mar here M wison BB here Hernandez here frck Stone here and Brian
faran here we have a couple things on the agenda tonight first 222 River Street block 71 lot five um just in case you're right I'll get to that in a minute um just to everyone knows when a
public school wants to do some work they kind of have to just come and tell us and we can let them know if we like it or don't like it we don't really have any a horse in that race from an approval standpoint so that's what this is is the riv Street School coming up but first I do someone from the public
had a comment about the notice of the meeting Mar you want to come up and use one of these microphones please so we can deal with that first Mar ell M 95 Hudson um I think a lot of us were kind of blindsided by the uh scheduling of this
meeting tonight and I went to look through what the requirements are and it seems that um the notice of the public hearing should be uh appear in print 10 days before this hearing um would be
held and I have a copy of the notice that was published in the um Asbury Park Press dated March 20th which fall short of 10day requirement that appears in the
municipal clerk um Municipal land use anual right so um even the online notice is dated uh March 20th as well so
uh questioning uh the validity of the public notice and also should I be mistaken I have to think it really uh demonstrates uh a lack of a good faith
effort to keep public informed I know a lot of us uh wouldn't have known anything about this hearing uh had it not been for um an article in red bang green
and um so I don't know I may correct but if even if it's the you're following the legal letter of the law I don't think it was done in good faith I was quite um
disappointed by Mr G's dismissing the comments um in Red Band green and to expect the public to digest 23 five page
document in six days is really um very disingenuous and to expect us to take that 235 page document and actually uh try to analyze whether or
not it actually meets the what was it a 166 page document that was the master plan um it just really seems un reasonable to me it seems unfair and it doesn't see we're at the beginning of a
very lengthy process with this trainstation development and it really doesn't bode well to give you public make the public feel confident that you're um moving forward in good faith I appreciate your comments and we
will endeavor to release um larger documents for you to read more quickly or sooner but we published the schedule of our meetings in January so from the and and I'm happy to let our attorney speak on this but my
understanding is that we meet the letter of the law because we put the schedule out first in January for the whole year whether or not we gave you enough time to read this entire document um I'm I'm not going to argue with you about um it's a lot it's a lot to read
but well I'd like to read to you this uh from the municipal clerk of New Jersey reference sure regarding Municipal land use it says the municipal clerk publishes the proposed ordinance in the legal newspaper of the municipality at
least 10 days prior to the scheduled hearing date when calculating the advertising date the date of publication is not counted and the date of the hearing is counted pursuant to njsa in the case of the ordinance adopted
pursuant to the municipal Vu law with all the numbers including any any amendments or supplements there to the revisions or codifications thereof which is in length six or more octavo pages of
ordinary print the governing body of any municipality may not withstanding the provisions of njsa 4492 satisfy the newspaper publication requirements for the introduction and passage of coordinance the following Manner and then it goes on to say okay
that you can make copies available in the municipal building and place them on file but that does not um I don't think it absolves you from having to
specifically uh provide public notice printed public notice of the hearing it just references the fact that this stuff has to also be available at the same time by publishing an agenda or a schedule of meetings at the beginning of
the year I don't think meets the intent of the law and I really think if you do proceed you know if somebody has the wherewithal to to make a legal challenge I think there will be some Merit to that so this where I come in I'm not going to
get into the politics of anything that's not my job what you just read is a requirement of the mayor and Council when there it's not you literally you L you no it's not you literally read when an ordinance is being considered for the M the municipal clerk must publish that's how you began your your
quote that's what you said and we are not the mayor and councel this board does not adopt ordinances this is the planning board that ordinance that that statute you just read has nothing to do with the planning board the planning the we let you talk all that is required and
again I'm not getting into politics about what's right what's wrong what's enough time what's not all I can do give you legal is what the legal answer is under the open public meetings act this board's only required to give 48 hours notice with the posting of the agenda and the publishing of the agenda that's
all that's required by law that was done in both respects uh there actually was no requirement whatsoever for the notice that was published in the paper which I believe is what you're referring to which lists what's happening tonight that notice wasn't even required by law the board did that out of the goodness
of its heart it does there's no legal requirement whatsoever for this hearing to have been noticed in the paper with that specicity all that was required was the notice that the chairman referred to that was published in the paper which wasn't even required to actually be in the paper but the town does it again to
give everybody notice you just have to notify two papers of the of the hearing that is taking place and that was done in January so that's all that's required by law what you just read has has is not applicable to the planning board so in
reading this 20 35 page document I do believe it contains a draft ordinance for the council I'm not disagreeing with that but this is not the council that this Bo this board could recommend 10 million ordinances to the
council none of that would have any bearing on whether that ordinance is going to be adopted or not the council would have to then take that ordinance introduce it publish it in the paper pursuant to the statute you just read giving the adequate 10 days notice and then the council would have a public
hearing which I'm sure you've been to Council meetings you've seen it before there's an introduction then there's a there's a public hearing on the ordinance the same thing would happen here so that's what that statute refers to I'm not sure I agree with your interpretation that's that's fine you don't have to but but that but that's
what it is really think that the way this was handled is really disgraceful and I really don't think it engenders uh public confidence in this whole process which I expect to be very lengthy and
very contentious and if you expect people to come here and listen to these presentations and then somehow um you know put together some kind of uh
coherent statement about you know Pro or con um it would be really helpful to give people enough time to look through it because it it's really a dawn and this is the only other thing I'm going to say under the law this board's
not even required and I'm not suggesting they're going to open it to the public under the law the board's not even required to open to the public on this type of a proceeding that's happening tonight they're going to because this board likes to do that the law does not require it this isn't the type of this isn't an application that you're used to
coming to where there's where there's an applicant presenting and then there's and then there's questioning by the public that's not this type of application because it's an application all the board is doing is considering a plan that they whether to adopt it or not and then to or to recommend it to the council the board wouldn't be
adopting it only the council can adopt it so there is no there's under the law strict reading of the law there's no requirement for public participation whatsoever the board theoretically and legally could just just discuss the plan amongst itself vote on it and never open it to the public but again they're not
going to do that because that's not what this board does but I just want you to understand that it's not required by law well I'm not surprised by that because I think the whole process is actually skewed to in favor of the developers and um but I had called Miss
Ebanks several weeks ago and asked her about the legal requirements and quite frankly she was unable to tell me and she wasn't able to tell me either she assured me that the public would have ample time to review the
documents and when I specifically asked herwell how how long is that legally what are they required to do and she was unable to answer that question well we we love Shauna Shauna's not an attorney so so so you shouldn't you shouldn't be
attorney but Shauna's not an attorney she's not an attorney and you shouldn't be expecting to get legal advice from Shauna and Shauna is doing her best I don't want to speak for her but she's doing her best to answer questions when you ask her a question you can't you can't fault her if she doesn't know a legal answer I m 1 I was not asking her
for legal advice I was asking her for information about the process and I feel that the the employees of the buau should be able to answer these questions that we have so that when we come here we can be prepared to present our point
of view in a in a rational way that's going to make sense so for you to say to me that I shouldn't expect the director of planning to answer a very basic question about how much time will we
have to review the document I think that's really very disingenuous but I'll leave it there um and we'll see how this goes tonight and I should be clear when I was talking about the law is state law it's not it's not red bike law this is New
Jersey state law that we're I just want I was making sure I was just making it clear for everyone in the everyone in the public to understand when I'm not talking about Red Bank law I'm talking about New Jersey state law the the land use New Jersey land use law is really has stacked the deck against public
input and you know the process is really well I'll I'll speak to that later well there's no lack of public input opportunity here at this board and that that's it's important to me that everybody understand that and tonight this is just the Redevelopment plan this
is not the site plan that the developer New Jersey Transit want that's that's at a future meeting this is just whether or not we're recommending the actual Redevelopment plan to the mayor and Council so that's what we're going to talk about tonight is someone here for
River Street for the school I can speak okay go ahead so um the uh River Street school elementary school um red Elementary School is uh applying for um permits
to the um New Jersey Department of Education um for site upgrades entry door and canopy at the school um the scope of work includes the installation of a seal entrance canopy with lighting
assign as removal and infill of two exterior doors creating two interior closets with doors installation of exterior double doors remove and installing floors painting removal and installation of a new wall mounted unit
heater mechanical and electronic work due to removal and relocation of devices reconstruction of the existing School driveway reconstruction and realignment of existing lower sorry lower school
parking lot installation of an accessible drop off Zone and Associated drainage improvements installation of um sidewalk ramps ramp with pan rails and set steps with pan rails to provide
accessible access to lower school entryway reconstruction of the driveway Loop and the creation of a parking area on the interior the drive driveway Loop installation of an accessible parking area of sidewalks along the school
Frontage relocation of the utility pole and the upgrade of sight lighting redesign of Courtyard to provide pervious paper Pathways and decorative gravel areas reconstruction of raise
concrete staged as it as an accessible flush pad and installation of drainage conversion of existing parking lot to a fence rubber surface plate area with an underd drain system installation of
sitewide roof drainage collection to improve drainage conditions on the site and the plans for this was um upload uploaded in the uh board packet I love Engineers okay my best
friend is an engineer this this was a tremendous expense on behalf of the burrow for the the primary school that have to do this a 37 page plan I don't know maybe read it look that closely at it but that's what they want to do the planning
board has a very informal role in this um if anyone has a question or a comment about the school's plan or wants to know anything else about it you're welcome to come up and ask
now come on up even 64 Street um in the uh in this plan what what recognition was there of the um the town's safe routs to school and complete
streets documents were made what how many bik cacks are they're going to be in in this plan no it's next to another very important
shows I feel that there should be some reference to that there maybe I don't know but theet only went up as far as I'm aware about an hour and a half ago I I downloaded this this morning from the burrow
website 24 hours okay I I I the attorney himself said you're only obliged to give I only learned it myself if there's anything specific that that from an engineering standpoint that you've got about this you need to bring
it to the Board of Education because we didn't draft the plan I understand that so so we're they're not what does board as the chairman said has almost no power over this this is a capital Improvement request by the by the Board
of Education it comes here almost as I want to say a courtesy that the board's supposed to look at it if the board has an issue with it they could say so but the board is not obligated even to listen to the planning board at the end of the day it it's a complete courtesy
um as far as the notice is concerned the notice itself was published at was posted last Friday I believe so so you have the notice I understand the plans may not have been available last Friday but this is another issue where and again I'm not getting into the politics of it or anything like that I'm just
talking strict legality there's not even necessary for public comment on something like this so the Chairman's opening at the public comment for the courtesy of the public but we're not required to which is which is why again I it's not it's not an issue it's not an impact on the 48 hour
notice that those plans were not available on the website last Friday I'm just straing that out for the legalities of it again I'm not I'm not getting into the politics of it I just like to remind the the mayor I'd like to remind the chair of this body I'd like especially to remind the
attorney that you are here not just to slam through state regulations or anything else you are here also to represent the aspirations of this community and you know if if you're slaming this through and all we're
getting is lectures from you we have to ask what are you doing there so I I don't I don't think we're lecturing you you asked you asked a question I'm just explaining what the law is because you made a statement that it was a violation of the of the of the 48 hour notice I was just explaining why
it's not legally no one's lecturing you thank you for your coming welcomeing us anyone else in the public have any comments or questions about the school plan anything specific I encourage you
to go to the Board of Education meeting talk to them specifically about this or any other issue you have with the schools um this is merely a as I said a courtesy on behalf of the Board of Education to the planning board and
that's pretty much all that's required about it so so Mr chairman there there is required that you um and again it's a little bit more than a courtesy because they have to they have to show it to you and if the board does have any comments on it you can make those otherwise you
can just have a have a motion in a second and a vote to to confirm that you reviewed it and you don't have any comments well I agree with the the proper bike Lanes in town and the ability for students to get to school
safely um and I would encourage the Board of Education not that I'm going to go to a meeting and do it there because I'm not but I'll do it here and I would encourage them to take that into account whenever they can I realize sometimes it's doable sometimes it's not
but um want a resolution you would make a motion to you would make a motion to report assuming you have no comments and the board has no comments you would just make a motion to uh refer it back to the to to report back to the uh Board of
Education that you reviewed it and you have no comments if that's the case I would happily do that to refer it back to Board of Education my comment is as I said and to Echo a little bit only a little bit Mr Hill of what Mr Hill had to say about complete streets in a safe
way for children to get to school uh on a bicycle beyond that I don't have any other comment so then that would be included in your motion to report back that that comment we have a second for that anyone one
second um are youing I am May Forman yes Christina yeso yes Lou Demento yes Barbara Boz yes
Wilson B yes it's mandz yes and Brian carigan yes for record Mr Stone you are standing ma you're member of the Board of Education correct correct thank you all right next up we have Marine Park block nine lot five for those of you who haven't driven down there lately
the parking has moved um and there's a a very ambitious plan um which I know there were many public meetings about and I'm assuming this fine gentleman is going to show us lots of pictures of do you need me to pull up the pre uh pass
point or um if you can that'd be great I figured I'd do in paper and on so these are the proposed site plans um for marine park who's going to speak on this for us
this evening I am Michael Riser Mike can you just use the mic get this set an engineer right I'm sorry I was about
what about this questions later we'll do questions on this very simp those of you who haven't driv down to Marine Park lately I recommend it highly to get a sense of what's going on and and how the job is is moving forward but
they have begun go ahead Michael good evening um thank you uh for having me my name is uh Michael Riser I'm a licensed professional engineer in the state of New Jersey and I'm here on behalf of C Associates the burough Engineers
office um here in accordance with njsa 4055 d-31 uh to present the plans for marine park to the planning board for Capital review and recommendation uh as noted in the burough master plan Marine Park was significantly affected by Hurricane
Sandy and required a phased approach to restore and improve the park for the community's use phase one consisted of flood mitigation as well improvements to the bulk head and walkway phase two consisted of a conceptual master plan uh the burough hired kimley horn to create
the master the Marine Park master plan based on the community's input uh key part features of that Master Plan included uh that the community envisioned where children's play area lawn areas passive Recreation opportunities storm uh storm water
capture Waterfront access and a welcome Plaza the plan that I'm presenting today is taking the vision from that horn master plan to life so Michael just bring that mic closer to your mouth for the folks in the back my apologies is this good volume everybody in the back
here thank you so if uh you would direct your attention to the poster board or uh the screen um I uh have here the overall site plan for the park just to orient um mind oriented for
me uh just we have Warf Avenue this is essentially looking North we have Worth Avenue on the right than that shaded area down yeah so that's worth Avenue and then that goes up to Union Street where it intersects down sorry that's
Union Street there um and go back to where you first pointed that is the location of the existing parking lot and the river is kind of in the the top left Coro of that plan um um uh some of the proposed improvements
include um the big open lawn area where the existing pork knut used to be as um as you had mentioned that has since been uh deconstructed and this is part of phase one of the plan that was included with the new por asphalt parking lot
that was installed um in a location the old tennis courts So the plan includes a large green space there as well as yep right there as well as a Amphitheater for um and the
real the meaning of this space is uh is for events passive Recreation uh there's talk of concerts there different seasonal events uh fireworks and winter village type um idea farmers markets uh really just a great space that better
utilizes the uh the Waterfront um which was a big aspect of that kimley horn master plan also included along the Waterfront is a large seating wall that would wrap around the existing um the existing uh concrete walkway uh and
that's really just a space for the community to sit uh view the view the river um and then as you come around the horeshoe marina there we have a curved bergola in the middle um that again more
seing area for uh the public view the river and relax and then on the other end of the horseshoe we have the the hammock area uh which is going to have some permanent hammocks as well as a garden area there and a seating wall um coming up the maintenance
roadway uh the existing asphalt roadway there that goes around it's for emergency vehicles um fire truck access uh we have a small area for uh food trucks as well as a small seating area um where folks can eat their food
right right left right between where right up a little bit down a little bit right there I apologize I didn't realize I would have to speak into the microphone I was hoping someday someday we're going to
get a better AV system in here someone said it regardless of how much it costs all right so um just to reiterate here is the green space Here's the amphitheater here's uh the seating wall here along the river this is the river
here here's the existing hor Marina you have a curved pergola here with benches and seating areas for everyone to relax and then this is that maintenance roadway that's existing um the fire department uses this to access the uh the fire rescue boat as well as just
perform general maintenance for the pump station there this is our existing uh porous asphalt uh parking lot and then here is this area for uh potential food trucks as well as a seating area for people to uh enjoy and just you know eat
some food some picnic tables there and then as noted on that kimley horn master plan we have here the um entrance PL Plaza area that includes um a decorative pergola decorative tables and a decorative spray Fountain as well um
probably some signage as well welcome to Marine Park um and then there's uh other improvements as well here this hatched area shows some repaving to be done which will Connect into the repaving that's being done now um that's going to include an upsizing the water main
that's necessary uh in talking with the fire department uh dry over here that we need for the fire department as well as a new boat lift for the rescue boat to help save on maintenance and really just make access to the rescue boat more more
efficient um other Waterfront features include a kayak launch a jet ski ramp or a kayak ramp and a jet ski launch um and uh storm water check valves on all of the outfalls which would allow um
improved storm water management storm water would would no longer be able to creep up those pipes and flood the park it would just allow storm water to flow out and we feel that that's really going to help improve the the flooding of the area and then um a main component of the
um Park is this playground area so I will um switch it over to this which is a more zoomed in um photo of our playground area so this is uh just orent you this is the existing
bathroom area here and then this is the warf Avenue going down to the hill here's your horseshoe Marina um here we have uh the two to five playground area um that's you know they require that you separate by ages it's a playground
specific requirement um this includes uh there's a little Beaver town a a turtle stream a small Oasis sailboat as well as swings for infants um it's a lot of you know your
typical Elementary School type um equipment um a little it's U made of like natural wood um that u a company compan that we're using for any that have attended the other meetings um John Marshall from compan can expand more on
that um then over here we have the 5 to 12 play area that includes um a embankment play which which I'll show on rendering shortly that's essentially slides and climbing built into the hill and the
slope here that we have at Marine par it includes a custom pirate ship that goes with the um the the aquatic theme that we're going for here along the river uh that includes an access platform for um
handicap individuals so they can access the elevated portion of the ship and not just the bottom portion and we think that's really great to include uh in this inclusive playground we also have a unique quad Tower um that includes some slides and some climbing aspects we have
multiple Bays of swings including a nesting disc swing that uh individuals with disabilities can use um we have planting beds throughout we have an 80 foot zip line over here and we have a um
it's called a um the check notes with me tunnel bridge which is used for climbing very popular um and with that I'd like to switch it over to the renderings this was prepared by our playground manufacturer um here is kind of an
overview of the park here you can see the existing horseshoe um we have that quad Cube Tower here you have your tunnel bridge your um your pirate ship as well as the uh the little kids playground here the
little kids swings their sailboat the big swings there and then the zip line off in the corner uh this picture here you can uh see how that uh Ada access platform would work so essentially there's this portion here with a ramp that leads to the elevated portions of
that ship you can see uh someone with a wheelchair accessing that uh we have here the embankment play with the slides as well as the climbing rope and um rock climbing cleats up the slope and then we have our swings here your standard
swings your Ada accessible swings as well as the the circular nesting swing there I did want to note that the plan uh does necessitate some tree removal so uh I've been working with uh the burrow um shade tree committee as well as the
environmental Commission on a proposed planting plan to um make up for some of those remove trees the trees have to be removed in the Green Space area to make way for the Green Space area but a lot of those trees in that area are unhealthy we've
reviewed that with our tree expert and in terms of the playground area a lot of those trees had to be removed due to uh due to the grading required to make this a completely inclusive playground uh which is what the burrow has applied for
Grant through green anchor SP um just wanted to touch on the state of permits uh permits the cfra individual permit from the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection we have received that today as well as the Waterfront development permit for
the Waterfront portions of the park uh Army Corp of Engineers were pending and Freehold so Conservation District were pending as well um and then I just wanted to touch on the timeline uh we anticipate going to bid for this project in the coming
months and the construction starting in late spring early summer with the playground equipment being purchased and installed through State contract in the end of the summer beginning of the fall and the goal is to have the entire park
complete uh prior to excuse me question yes uh you're going to bid you say but obviously work has already been done in the parking lots and the old parking lot has already been removed and it's in the process of being constructed so obviously some of it is already in
contract correct yes yes that's correct can you give me the pieces of it yes so phase one uh included the uh construction of the new poris asphalt parking lot that's now where where people are parking and it also included
getting started on this open dream space so that includes removal of the existing parking lot and construction of it's kind of like a drop off loop with a few spaces there that are primarily for um the marina and boondoc restaurant down there uh so it's just including that
drop off Loop and then top soil and seeding that um main Green Space area so it can you know be used uh as asive Recreation space in the interim while we uh move to the phase two portion of this
thank you and um with that I just wanted to touch on um no sorry I went through the timeline uh that that really concludes my presentation thank you very much happy to answer any questions you may
have I don't have any questions right now but I do have a comment oh go ahead May yeah go ahead um I am in love with your with the playground I'm a retired school teacher Primary in kindergarten
first grade special ed and I think that this is going to be one of the best things that Red Bank has done in a long time and I appreciate the time and the energy that went into to doing to doing that much work to get a
playground that coh for the ABA and I love it thank you yeah thank you appreciate the kind words and love to working with the bur on this project excited to see from the light also a comment yeah just to reiterate what I bar said I think it's really cool for us
to have this big open space where people can continue to meet and play and talk thank you for making it as functional as it probably could be and for really making use of that space I think it's an underutilized space and I'm really excited to see that uh that it's being
done correctly so thank you for all the efforts that went into it and for uh making it something that every resident is able to enjoy and it's free how rare nowadays to be able to enjoy yourself at that level and luxury so thank you yes thank you it's free for the kids at
least it's not free for us is it yeah um sorry to beat a dead horse but I'm GNA do it anyways uh on the healthy mature trees why can't we work around that it's
unfortunately uh the grading required in that area um we had worked with the playground manufacturer to utilize the existing slope but in order to make the requirements of the the Jake wall funding through Green Acres this has to
be completely inclusive and ADA Compliant um and in order to to make that happen the slopes the area just had to be be lowered down there uh so I believe in the area that the two large mature trees in the middle we were
dropping about seven feet in that area so we had looked at potentially uh building large retaining walls around it just to keep it but in reviewing with our licensed tree expert she just really did not feel that the trees would be able to
survive and ultimately would become Hazard uh no matter what we would do with with the gr change it's unfortunate but that's why we've uh you know worked with the environmental commission the jade tree uh committee to and worked with the burrow as well to provide an
adequate budget to supplement those plantings um have some numbers here for you how many new trees are you planting yep that's what I'm pulling up right now so we have in the proposed planting plan which um shade tree committee reviewed
at their last meeting and um agreed with we have 29 new shade trees 28 new ornamental trees and hundreds of new shrubs perennials and ornamental grasses as well as uh some wild flower seed mixes that we're proposing on the top
area I don't want to appear like a wet blanket but I um I think this is a bad decision um I know everyone I would like love to see a inclusive part but I don't know why we
have to excavate the whole hill on on uh Marine Park which has been a place for vents people go there and socialize beauty of it is it's just doesn't make sense to me why couldn't it have just been put in the parking lot where you
wouldn't have to do all that it would have saved tons of money and it would preserve the beauty that already exists there um and I I'm think that taking down these mature trees trees that the
shade tree committee planted 10 years ago and are now starting to uh bear fruit is it seems ridiculous when you got a empty parking lot right next to it where you could have put it and um and
you know this whole thing about oh we have to excavate 7 feet and make a u a retaining wall that's going to cause I think I'm afraid many problems the excavation itself will be very U erosion
erosion causing and after that it'll be a problem with with retaining while holding back it's just and it removes the beauty of that hill where events go on now people go even when there's not events there's
always people socializing there and I I think this is a big mistake and I uh I I can't support it I understand your concerns if I may I just want to just reiterate um we looked at the possibility of installing
retaining walls to do that but there are not currently proposed and we are still incorporating the hill it just has to be graded differently than it is currently there's there's different areas that are steep that have to be kind of flattened out more um it's it's a regrade of the
area and the location was consistent with that kimle horn master plan um north of that existing bathroom building and look to utilize that existing slope so that was the uh the idea behind it but appreciate your your comments
uh chair I have a question for uh you uh did phase one come before the planning board we public meetings I remember we had public meeting there was at least one at the senior center was there one here at the board
no no I'm being told no but there were public meetings showing this plan at least two and I think they were probably both the senior center I know I was at one of them so my followup question is phase two is required as capital
Improvement to be presented to the sport was phase one not also something that should have been presented to the board and it could have been presented to the mayor and Council I don't know the answer to that question should phase one here you know
I'm G to turn and ask you I I I don't know enough about phase one to answer your question um I I know they're here tonight for Capital Improvement which again the exact same way the school had to come here is exactly the same thing it's I don't want to answer with I
wasn't around when I guess phase one happened so I I just I I I'd be afraid to answer the question because I just don't have enough information r a wrench in the works uh and I don't tend to pursue but uh it strikes me that the project in its
totality if it's a requirement for us to re a capital Improvement to make a recommendation to the council should have had the whole project as an opportunity so if all they were doing and again I I don't know but if all they were doing was was fixing the parking
lot and things like that they wouldn't have had to have come here for that because that's that's just a repair so this not actually an improvement of the property so it was we we moved the par we created new parking lots and we are demolishing old parking lots as we
speak that's that and and I do remember hearing that the par that the that the playground was going to get larger we didn't have a plan of this detail back then it was it was very you know Pie in the Sky kind of thing where we were
creating this large programming area to the east where the existing parking lot was and the Gazebo I recall all of that um I don't recall anyone recommending moving the playground to that area
because the large grassy area is meant for all residents whereas the playground was meant for just kids and I understand your your point about the trees spent a lot of time here with my kids um when they were little and I would love to spend time in this playground as a
grandfather um although I'm not so sure that's going to happen as my children have updated me on that one of them saying that it will never happen um so I don't know I have I do have a nephew who's four though that I'm practicing on um um but we the playground was always
talked about being here but this is obviously a larger Capital Improvement than moving the parking lot thank you but I know there were public hearings yes anyone else in the board have any questions or comments I'll just I'll just say one
thing I have kids I I think it's a great Improvement to the town to have this playground um and I'm looking forward to it um just to lose comment um you know I do question whether or not that that Hill could have been
Incorporated I mean it is an amenity uh we use that Hill also we love that hill we go there we sit in the grass we lay out blankets um we sit in the shade of the trees uh in the summertime and lots of other people do as well so to lose
that you know um I'm cognizant of the fact that um you know that's that's a detriment of this plan um and yeah it's it's kind of a question in my mind as well is if that could have been better incorporated into the playground area but um Michel how much of the Hillary
Rel losing didn't speak to the amount of the Hill it's really being reconfigured the H it's areas like coming off the bathroom there's there's a steep drop there so it's going to be a steeper drop
initially and then kind of gradually down and then um when at some point in time if you don't have a slide could you turn it this way too oh which it I don't know what it is
playground okay I got that right so you're talking like about a 6ot elevation change from the canopy where the bathrooms are to the beginning of the playground is that about right um am I reading that right yes essentially yes so coming off
here yes about six feet coming down and then gradually going down here um and then this walkway through here which would be the Ada access coming from the parking lot is flat and then again we have that the um backin play that's
being incorporated into the hill here so there it's it's more just being reconfigured the hill it's steep drop here gradual drop and then this way you have more of a steep drop for the embankment and then gradual out to here um so you still do have those hilly
components the area up here um which is all just you know the grass space now that grade's remaining unchanged um all the trees up in this area are remaining as well and then uh you know we've we've Incorporated these large planting beds
all along the uh outside of the playground as well as some within the 5 to 12 playground area for new trees as well ma'am you've been patient please tell us your name and address margerie Cavalier Red Bank president on the West
Side ja and I'm also the vice chair of the historic preservation commission so I'm speaking to that as as well as a resident and I will be coming up for the next presentation as well I just have three quick questions um playground
fencing around any of the areas especially the five and under sections yes yes fencing is proposed along all of the areas except for obviously the entrances to the park that's also requirement of the the green acreage grant that the bur that applied for is
to to have fencing throughout the entire area SE separating the areas yes yep correct I mean it's this dashed line here is shown and yeah goes It goes along the the entire area except for you know an entrance here entrance here
entrance here and then the entrance to the uh the little kit play okay and my second question is the um will the will will the area be able to support if the Fon comes back to town
yes yes so so how where will the viewing how will the viewing be affected because right now it was all through so now it seems like I'm not I'm not too familiar with the vent to be honest but
um well we all enjoyed sitting on the hill for that it I would guess that it would be more than likely that might end up on the new green space created where the parking was where there isn't a nice Hill to sit
but there's plenty of green space that's just my guess okay because it doesn't look to me like there's the kind of room we used to have for that stage with the new playground there okay my final question is um we the town just paid
recently in two 2022 to replace a historic marker in the in the area and can you tell me where is it going to stay where it is or is it going to be placed somewhere else on your on your diagram the historic marker
is that in reference to the Liberty Tree that's there or I know there's a memorial sign that we had discussed preserving I'm seeing this correctly that area wouldn't be disturbed at all come down War Avenue it's right there
because you were talking about locating the you know welcome to Marine Park to some other area yes yeah I I'll have to double check the exact location of that I believe talk is is that the one that references Mrs White no not
it's not that I'll admit I don't exactly know where that is but if you can follow up on that Michael and let us know we appreciate looking at that it might be directly in front of this tree to remain here which is actually right along our walkway and might uh might work well but
we'll uh we we'll definitely look to preserve that I know that there's a a Liberty Tree there that we're going to preserve the flag pole that's existing there and um we'll work with the bu to preserve all those existing
features going um my side um and not speaking on behalf of the library board or the school board um we're talking about the kids a lot what about passive activity for the adults like maybe um you how some parks have you can push up
here and then a little station can do in a little station you do something else throughout the park um J adult said right to the park two um I didn't see anything with um b cs around um also
um I've been to the park a lot with events too but uh the bathroom area has some Hedges there and what not but honestly I see a lot of people smoking there so are we pulling down the hedges we get more access
because Park smoke obviously you don't want smoke at the park so I was wondering if there's better access they hide behind the Hedge uh to eliminate something so I'd like to comment on the smoking most of the smokers that I've seen there are
hospital employees because the hospital doesn't allow smoking on their campus so they come over to our park where by the way you're not allowed to smoke and I would encourage the mayor of counsel as I have some of them here to reach out to the hospital on behalf of the town to
tell them to find another place to smoke how about give tickets and enforcement that would be fantastic either that I'm going to get a giant Super Soaker and ride through there and take care of those people myself um but I I agree with you I've seen the smokers the majority of them are in Scrubs they're coming down the hill from the hospital
to smoke so I would like to certainly see that taken care of as well um and you also mentioned that the RO of parking go down the hill four spots um how many handicap spots are GNA be down there so I I'll touch on each uh over we
have a total of six spaces hosed at the bottom two of them being handicap stalls uh as for bike racks I don't have them specifically called out on this plan but it is something that we will obviously add as biking is very popular uh in Red Bank and we feel a lot of people will be
coming there uh the exercise stations isn't something that the B discussed um certainly something I can discuss with them uh if it's something they they wanted to add possibly along the maintenance roadway but in terms of adult Recreation we do have that passive area and one area I didn't mention was
next to this playground here we actually have bot Forts and cornhole proposed as well as a bit of a adult game area that's that's good I'm still going to try to fight for a dog park I didn't see anything even in the rendition on the west side that was mailed out to
Residents thank you please give us your name and address uh Kath Morgan 67 Street um not complaining about park or anything but you mentioned Mrs White my brothers and I fought well went through a whole thing
trying to get something Nam for Catherine elus white and we had it Marine Park I'm just wondering I'm wondering is there still gonna be something down name for her that's that's that she was the only female mayor this town ever had ambass
ambassador to where Denmark Denmark thank you I I actually I actually reached out I think through I'm up here sorry okay I actually reached out and got a hold of her kids I believe on Facebook and started that conversation
of honoring her of honoring her somehow we hadn't decided on exactly how we were going to do but yes it's that that is going to happen okay I know the original thing besides Mar they were just going to name the benches across from the count Bas theater for we got to go
bigger than that yeah the was to everything was being named train station for and all that there was nothing Nam for a female yes and so my brother said I I also had to stop saying I was the first Jewish mayor once I found out that
she was first Jewish only female mayor yes yes Michael that's her recognition right now as it exists is that tiny island with the sign as you come down the hill yes you're not impacting that are you no we're not impacting that actually this was discussed with the
deputy mayor we're looking to improve that and make it a better Memorial we have a it's I do see it on your plan yeah there there's a a line right here within that VI that's that's the memorial yes yes of course so 95 Hudson Avenue my name is
marel mes just a couple of questions nobody mentioned sledding and finding a good sled Hill is really difficult in this town so Tower Hill Tower Hill Tower Hill well I know Tower Hill but this is
another favor here and so it sounds like beated by all these other I mean there there is going to be the hill at this portion unless I haven't seen the kids doing it I would think getting close like it's pretty steep right now I don't
know how much this area is used the water there I could be wrong but this area would remain and then there's Tower Hill I think behind the library there's yeah behind the library I don't think I've ever seen
obstacles at the library uh the fishing GE and the boat Bing will remain yes yes um all of this is considered Green Acres yes so that means um the parking lot
really is designated for those people who are using the park correct I believe so yes because right now I believe that people from the hospital are allowed to Park part in the park and I think that
that has been a problem and will continue to be a problem especially if you're going to have very attractive uh playground for i' have to confirm the exact parcels and which ones are included on the The Rosy okay um there
any plan to camouflage the pumping station I mean it looks like a monument it's lit up at night it's got a flag flying on it and it's of not [Music] very so I mean the the new parking lot
was constructed right against it there's not much space to provide screening here um but this whole area this is a seating wall here and this whole area behind is a penting garden uh that's going to have um trees shrubs um to so when you're in
this area if you turn around you're not going to see the big ugly the the pumping station is behind the the seating wall you're not going to be sitting on the wall looking at the pumpkin no no you'd be sitting on the wall with the garden behind you looking
at okay um more faue is there room down at the bottom there for the cars to turn around when people head down there inadvertently and they they need to get out again yes yep so that that Central
triangular island is going to remain and then I I don't have the dimension off the top of my head but this is at least 40 feet wide here for plenty of room to turn around um I would I would like you to reconsider the location of the Gazo
because right now it's on the western end of the lawn area and if that's intended as an event space with concerts that might be the performances on the Gazo you know that faces the Setting Sun
and we have the same issue um in Riverside Gardens Park at certain times of the evening um the sun is like directly in your face so I'm not sure if that's maybe it should be facing the
other dire on the other side so that not looking into the Sun but you know that's something for consideration yeah something we'll consider there's also the option of doing like a backdrop behind it as well is there any plan to um spruce up the interior of the best
rooms uh yes that's actually part of the green nak application would be that's great because they look like cell now with those uh stainless steel toilets and um the my one pet peeve and
I don't I think this is part of code when you sit on the benches there your view of the river is completely obstructed by the railing and if you sit there in the evening the current lighting has been blinding and
completely ruining your night vision so if you go down there your lighting here uh lighting it would be a complete new lighting design um we thinking kind of lowlevel Ballard lights throughout the walkways and uh you know we're working with our landscape architecture group to ensure that
light's kind of thrown away so that's that's definitely something that's being and down on the paths I mean the idea of the light should be so that it illuminates the walkway and not you know creating all this ambient light so that you can't really enjoy the park agreed yeah we
don't want anything too bright here um you know we do want to obviously deter vandalism and stuff but I will note um security camera system is proposed as well for well it looks like a beautiful design very ambitious I just hope that
the burrow can um maintain it and also enforce the regulations spoken about the also the parking because I really think the parking needs to be um limited
to those people who are actually using the par and should not Beed upon by um the commercial District the condos that Lo above the boat club um
one thank you very much I appreciate your thank you appreciate your your name and address for us please Linda Hill 64 McLaren thank you very much for the opportunity to speak I just had a few questions the first one real quick are
you planning is there going to be an AED in this site at all um there's not one currently in the plan um is not one at the park currently I think so and I really would like to encourage this
board and uh our our Council as well because aeds really save lives uh it's it's it's easy they're easy to use um the instructions are very clear and uh you know really could make a difference
between somebody having a car inary event and so I would just suggest that we should look at that in this and all public spaces where we can um I agree okay then I wanted to ask
you I I appreciate that you said something about um ways to mitigate uh water uh encroachment and uh and other things that can happen down at that given that we're on the river
but I mean we s was how many years ago but we know that there we're going to get another one are there any other things that you have incorporated or you can can incorporate that would um you know protect the the investment that
we're doing in this park yeah of course um honestly the the main flood mitigation measure is those um those storm waterer check valves I mean I've been down there for the uh the full moon and the water just creeps right up the pipes and comes out the the drains and
floods that area um unfortunately we we can't design for for super storm Sandy without you know building a flood wall around the whole park um but all of the improvements within the flood zone would be designed in accordance with um the
flood Hazard area rules um D has reviewed this plan as part of the coastal area review act um as well as the flood Hazard area rules so like our our gazebo is going to be designed um you know with the proper footings and anti flation
materials um and the playground equipment as well uh is going to have you know the footings there I've uh the playground manufacturer compound has had several playgrounds installed in Florida in areas like this that have uh actually seen hurricanes and and held up very
well um I also uh wanted to ask about zip at some point I heard that this Incorporated zipline is that true yes they still there yes this is a uh this this shown here is a
uh is is a twers zipline side by side adults children what who is it for it can uh it can hold adults as well what's the weight limit on5 I don't have the exact number I was told that I'm going to let you know as
soon as they're up I'll let you I'd like to suggest that zip lines um don't seem to me to be uh compatible with the purpose of this park and the liability must be enormous um it can't
be any worse than monkey bars I mean I I felt as a kid I fell off of everything that was that was possible to fall off of and you know I I would like to think that the mayor council whoever their insurance company is has thought about this plan and oh so it's
been approved no I mean and and maybe the engineer did it or not but the all of it is a lawsuit waiting to happen today and hopefully at some point that will be taken into account I love the idea of the zip lines
um the first thing I thought of was falling and breaking my neck which I'm going to try not to do when I zipline down this thing um but I I see your point but these are playground these are playground designers who to do this so
I'm going to guess that it's not the end of the world from a liability standpoint or somebody would say no more zip lines but I I would love to to say now in front of the mayor and some council members that that's something we should definitely look at from an insurance standpoint that we're not going to get
killed on liability insurance for this park because it's got a zip and nobody else and nobody gets killed how far up the ground for these suppes be um it's I'm only 510 so really don't you don't to put it's not like a typical like
zipline like I see like Adventure parts that go across it's essentially ground level with the there you go like lift up it's so we we're just talking fo or two off the I did no no
it's it's fun at all the Amazon r you can see it slightly here in the renderings um but this is essentially it it's similar to a setup like a swing would be and then you have the two and yes essentially and then it goes across
and that's been specifically designed kind of at the corner of the park away from all the other improvements because of the potential uh right issue of people you know kids are kids they want to run around and yes we we I I had nightmares of a kid running into the
middle of this thing while someone's on it and that's kind of why we happen anyway guarantee we've specifically designed it to hopefully avoid that that inent I'll try not to zipline all the time is there got to
be a person there taking care of it no that'll be for the Paris sailing L we're gonna have somebody there forend go up and go on the zip and zip back and forth like reference for you on the screen behind you that's we think that's
the zipline the kid on the on the over the blue yes some adults playground manufacturer and he's big guy has has assured me that uh he's he's wrote on
them and and he okay all right I'll cross my fing on the zip line one last question you mentioned I think H trees and many other plantings that are part of this project how many trees are we losing though just
the total number so there's a total of 56 existing trees in the park um 19 of those would be removed seven of them were recommended for removal by our licensed tree expert who went out and did a tree assessment many of those in the Green Space um so 54 total 19 being
removed with 29 new shade trees 28 new en um ornamental trees and then hundreds of shrubs perennials and like ornamental grasses throughout the you know the small planting beds and stuff where trees can't fit because I do lament
losing any trees that you know we don't absolutely have to because they're old or sick or whatever but um so that is a shame I I I understand progress but um I'm sorry to see those trees and that's
all I have to say thank you very much thank you anyone else in the public have any questions or comments Steve anel 39 Branch Avenue um I think you mentioned that there is going to be a kayak and a jet ski launch yes um just
in terms of I used to be a jet not anymore but um take it up again now um is there going to be room for obviously if you're telling a jet ski there's a trailer um and I'm assuming that there there's there's like half a dozen
parking spaces down by the Waterfront there are they going to be big enough to incorporate a trailer um they're standard size parking stalls right now but there is kind of a side pull Zone perhaps the B would consider making that a loading zone of some sort right um and
it is worth noting the Waterfront improvements do require Army Corp V Deer uh approval so we're currently in um in there we had to get the D permit before we can go before them um so those improvements May depending on how soon
we get that permit may be almost an additional phase but yes that is incorporated within for marine okay I guess the other question you probably don't know this just in terms of permit to be able to launch Craft on the river um is that something that is going to be
required by the town I'm assuming that I guess normally it is but do you know whether it's going to be a part of the reason I ask is that you know once you put something like this in lots of people come in from all over different parts of of you know the local area um
and I'm just sort of thinking that if it's something to Residents M I'm thinking for retirement income I might just stand down there and with a little thing a change maker or something get some money out of people I'm I'm getting judges of no from several people that
that there is not a permit necessary to launch a jet skap although if we can make some money at it we should think about it already pay for a permit at SW River appreciate I'm to pay again so thank you you're
welcome anyone else in the public with any questions or comments sir come on up Spring Street okay I I a daily visitor to the park and you were aware of the condos
correct million doll condos there's that access road million doll and whatnot now are you aware of the broken up existing range overlow you're talking about B Club
Court yes I am talk about B club for yeah um these poor folks I'm res obviously but and none of them are poor either drainage has to be replaced uh
does already on a million doll cont those the whole top layer has been eroded and I think we are set up for an epic flood because I don't know if all the drainage has been designed to go into
the river but we're going to reach a point where the water from the river usually all goes into the boat B yes I've SE usually no that's that's been on our radar and not a part of this project but it's actually incorporated into the
buroughs 2025 Road program uh that actually just had a bid opening yesterday so that should be fixed sooner rather than later yeah that would really be great uh you know and again playground and whatnot that's I'm just concerned though as a
red B resident over flood getting ready to happen with that Confluence of the river and the drainage and actually just this morning I saw piping being brought in and so I think they're making great
progress but again blood mitigation has to take a priority here beyond all athetics and what yeah of course this uh this project is considered a major development and has been designed in accordance with all the njd uh standards
for just receed that approval today uh so yeah everything's been designed way and like storm water check vals we think are really going to help again can't design for super because you know that single bench there is you can't really use it the one
by the rescue facing that way that's under a constant of water yes yes I've seen that I think that's coming from below I'm not quite yeah yeah i' I've witnessed it
myself high tide yes it comes right up the right up the outfall pipe and then up through the great I I I actually saw a uh a jellyfish swimming in the area north of the pump station before the water had receded and then went away so
the the storm water check fouls are going to help mitigate that and for the [Music] governor red those condos they I don't know who can design
them the mitigation one up but the whole top layer has already worn away top layer where where behind them or in front of them basically in front of them there that steep
embankment maybe five six layers of blood prevention have been put in place I've watched over the last two years and over the last year that it has been completed the top layer is already just
about sheared off I will mention that to our engineer to take a look at that because they they undoubtedly the developer I'm sure still has a bond in place for those for those items keep them bonded yes because uh
it's going to be a problem and you know it's great one not the park Redevelopment but my concern though as a resident of Red Bank is for flood mitigation drainage uh well it's pretty much here
in the in the uh School we've covered both of the marine park and River Street School are pretty much our biggest flood areas in Red Bank right okay well as long as we're on the same page and whatnot but just it's we
have to keep that in consideration and beyond that just for the engineers or whatever I would keep that Bond on the developer of those condominium erion okay thank you thank
you anyone else from the public have any comments or questions regarding this just one more question shoot how much of the uh green surfacing area it's shown in the renderings is grass and how much is turf here so all of this the other one it has
more shading is it mainly just the playground area okay that's correct so this uh all of this area here is just open grass space open grass with The Hammocks and trees proposed there and that it's really just this dark shading here
that's uh the playground service okay did you say there hammocks yes there a weight limit on those H exact number but those are also Des show be prepared on those playground surfaces are they permeable um per D
they are not and we've uh actually designed the site um to include that as impervious area making the design of everything harder um but um the Synthetic Turf material we feel is um
it's BAS I mean it has the the fibers within it to allow water to flow through and then there's a stone bed on well a safety pad first and then the stone pad um it's able to drain through those very easily D's concern is that it's
compacted Stone per DP they don't think that water can flow through there I tend to disagree to be honest with you but uh but this was considered an impervious surface per D so all everything else had to make up for them
thank you has there been a discussion about out Wi-Fi to that Park not discussion of so those steep slope areas in the playground are Turf where we have steep transitions is there any concern with that being a Turf
surface on a steep slope um no no we've uh We've specifically designed that actually the uh the bottom portion we recently have uh reviewed and changed to port in place rubber but the rest of it would be Turf and we find that that's actually better for the SL itself okay
for sling too yeah right right maintenance um The W the sail what do you call them the shade sails and Turf and everything how and actually uh all the new plantings the
trees um from the experience I've had like in the parking lot the trees died the first year they haven't been replaced yet um and this is a enormous amount of Maintenance how long does this Turf last
where where you have to replace it to double check the numbers but it's up it's 10 plus years that the turf would last and then from there it's really just replacement of the actual carbet of the turf whereas
the subbase material you wouldn't you know that would remain in place you might have to fill in small areas but it's actually a cheap maintenance as for the plantings um these the new trees that were installed and are dead those are bonded and will be replaced um and
all the new we've Incorporated a trip irrigation system that was one of the things we worked with the shade tree committee on um that's going to water are all the the new plantings ensure that they're able to survive as well as allow us to plant some larger trees um
how about how about the ones in the parking lot we put put the U drip there too uh yeah that's something that we can um we can look into it may be difficult within the center Island just because we wouldn't want to rip up the the brand new porest Asal but the ones in the
islands uh we can look into incorporate do you mean the old parking lot no the new parking lot the trees dyed that they planted already yeah yes we are L's going to be out there checking this every day just show you every other day every okay every other day he going to
be out there I was made aware of the the issue with this trees we uh reminded the contractor of uh their responsibility to maintain them and should they die that they would have to be replaced I think the ones that are replaced we don't want them to die again
you so maybe we we could have something that irrigates them too yes recommendations we originally had was for the contractor to install Gator bags it's the the bags that go around the tree and or filled water and you know slowly released the water to water them
we had suggested that to the contractor before they died um they didn't take that route so we'll be requir is it up to the contractor to decide what he wants to do or is it up to us well he's got to keep replacing them yeah that's that's exactly did he replace them again
and again but in the meantime we don't have Tre we don't have anything looking it looks dead trees yes I mean they once this project is complete there would be relased and then they would provide a two-year maintenance Bond so those trees would be covered up to two years but
with the new plantings we will be requiring them to install irrigation fors to ensure they so how about general maintenance do you have any idea how much it will cost every year to fix things maintain things
improve things uh we don't have a a specific number on hand but uh you know DPW has been involved in the process and certain selections were made uh due to the the maintenance aspect of some of these features and that's something with
that we're going work with DPW to maintain and ter I think the environmental commission brought up the thought the little pieces break off in in glute the water is so what do you
know about that I can't speak to the actual the the bras you know the blades themselves I I I feel that those are pretty secure to the carpet uh one of the concerns that they brought was the infill material which is the typically
you would see on Sports field is that rubber um black rubber that that's not what we're using here we're using an environmental friendly U sand infill that's actually weighted as well so in the event into a flood it it wouldn't even be picked up to then you know
brought into that's something that we uh we looked into's GNA be down there keeping an eye on that too sir please give us your name and address Le Anderson 95 two
questioning that perance what is the diameter of it how large is it and are you providing some kind protection from Sun um the specific dimensions of this
gazebo have not been worked out that's one of the the finer details that we'll be working out in the in the coming months with with the burrow uh we had discussed potential like you know the idea of what they want it to look like but specific dimensions uh has not been
um decided on and um I know that uh another um member of the public had brought up the concern of the son behind it so that's something that we may look into you know having a back portion of this so that it's that citizen the reason I say that is because
I am I'm a professional musician I had it performed in the parks in the key of the summer it's God off yes we do have world class performers coming to this town and they need to have world
class keep that yeah this is definitely something that we can yeah kind of provide the screen back whether it's separate wall or actually a portion of the Bel sure help with the Acoustics so I defer to you on that
represent nice so I'm not going to ask if anyone else has any other comments or questions because guess what it turns out we don't even have to take comments and questions for stuff like this we do it just because I enjoy it so thank you all very much Michael thank you very much um we
are in the same situation as we were with the school um to recommend this plan move forward to the council for their review wants to I just wanted to say something it was gonna be a nice
ending but you what are you saying I ruined it yes what I was going to say was that about two weeks ago I had a friend visiting who is not capable of walking and she misses going down to Marine
Park and so I said well I think that if we go down to the new parking lot which everybody hated but it's wonderful you can just walk out of the car and walk right up to the water and she was thrilled and it made her day and I thank
you for that and I thank the town for that because now she's going to be able to go down with her family and sit and enjoy the water again she couldn't do that for many years CU she couldn't walk the hills but that parking lot take the
the handicapped spaces are right down slide on the ground thank you that's all I F me telling people we didn't have to listen to them for this but um I will make the principal on the teacher motion to uh recommend this
plan from a consistency standpoint to the mayor and Council Mr attorney do I need to say anything else it's not it's not it's not consistency it's it's Capital it's Capital Improvement so exactly the same way as you uh did the school it's just a recommendation that you're okay with the plan or if you have
recommendations you can do it uh you can include that in it if you are against it you can say no I make a motion that the planning board uh encourage this plan to the mayor and Council and uh I'd like to see the specs on
the the the zipline and the other thing so that I can go down there and have a good time um and I also recommend it's part of my motion that the position of the sun in the afternoons there for performances and for people using the large grass area be taken into account
it is a tremendous amount of sun in the afternoon and it is it is hostile down there as the sun sets there's no doubt about that we have a second to my motion second do all no do WR
sorry yes Christina bonis yes yes l d but I within a recommendation that they guarantee that the trees on the new parking lot are
water if not by to irrigation or bags but to make that as a requirement I'd be happy to add that to my motion y yes marara Bois yes lson de yes itel
Hernandez yes absolutely and Brian Paran yes ladies and gentlemen now for the main event a 10- minute bathroom break and I mean 10 minutes like I'm not kidding 10 minutes it's 8:35 okay let's do a roll call as the
planning board is back to order after only a 10-minute break I'm happy to say that's 845 mayor Portman here Christina bonis here Dam cuso here L dto here Barbara Boz
she'll be back in a moment here Hernandez here and uh frerick Stone here and Brian ber here okay as I mentioned before this is the main event um and we are going to
hear about the train station Redevelopment plan not the actual plan from the Builder for the development I just want everyone to be clear this is the first of probably many meetings regarding the train station area but
this is not the specific site plan that will be coming at some point later from the applicant this is from um our planner that we hired to help us with this and this is the Redevelopment plan that the planning board will be either
recommending or not recommending to the mayor and councel for their consideration so Susan favat was just note for the record that Miss boats has return to the bench yes thank you the board and members of the public it's a bit to get here and thanks
for all your patience tonight hold the mic real close well that we have never said that ever to anyone did I really so I have about 20 slides tonight um I know there are members of the public who want to speak and there'll certainly be opportunity for that um I want to take the board and the public
through the Redevelopment plan uh the plan is about 40 pages I know there are appendices they're all kind of supporting documentation the background studies the summaries of public workshops all the resolutions that you need to provide as part of the plan but the the plan itself is a solid 40 pages
there's a lot in it so I want to spend the time tonight to take everybody VI it give you a sense a little bit of how we got here this introduction and then really take you through the plan the districts that are covered in the development plan uses the bulk standards
and all the other standards design standards in particular um the offside improvements that are contemplated as part of this plan and then the uh chairman touched on a little bit about what happens next and how this is implemented it's a multi-step process so just by way of background I think most
folks know but it's always good to just have a recap refresher sorry um next slide please um on the statutory basis for redevelopment it is from New Jersey local R development housing law which really creates a set of tools that
municipalities can use to plan uh and to implement revitalization of certain areas it can allow for imminent domain but in this case it absolutely does not and that is something that the bough Council established early on and in fact the ability to do Redevelopment without
imminent domain is a fairly new um change in the last 10 or so years in the state law and as a result you are seeing Redevelopment used more throughout the state you're seeing it in Suburban communities small towns communities that previously maybe wouldn't have thought about the Redevelopment tool but now
that imminent domain can be off the table it's a little bit more refined tool that they can use so once a Redevelopment plan is designated and adopted basically establishes standards for zoning standards for development in the area and it's can supersede the
underlying zoning but unlike traditional zoning it can get a lot more detailed um you know on the planning board it's the public as well perhaps that zoning is a pretty blun tool in New Jersey and and they're they're limited municipalities are limited in as to how detailed they
can be design um other types of Standards architecture but Redevelopment you can use those tools you get very specific on requirements that you would like to see in certain areas so that's a real benefit of the tool and you can get specific on amenities Community amenities and how the standards will be
upheld in terms of Maintenance and all of those those details so it is a really nice aspect of Redevelopment this process is subject to State Statute and is um you know whole process that we have undergone and I'll touch on the next slide but it requires meeting specific criteria as set out by the
state statute and so that it's really the first step in the process next slide um I've touched on this in previous engagement efforts for this project but this area is not new uh in terms of planning um the train station area the burough has been looking at for a long
long time uh and many of your master plans your exam Nation reports for going back decades really trying to make something happen here around the train station in terms of transpor and development dentity that can support activity and build on the asset of your
train station the 2023 master plan in particular spent a lot of time on this area and looked closely at it as part of the the overall function of the bureau in terms of if you look at this image on the right um really seeing the train station area as kind of a Lynch pen
Connecting Point between your downtown core and the Shrewsberry Avenue portal on the west side this is a key area and opportunity through thoughtful Redevelopment vitalization to knit those two areas together for the mutual benefit of both um there were a number
of recommendations that were specific uh in the master plan on this this area one was restarting the transit Village designation process which is separate in this process it's not just Bo perview but it's sort of related uh in the to type realm another recommendation was to
replace the the train station zoning with a more targeted to zoning District um that really laid out standards for development that might actually happen because the transation district that had been in place really had not generated that type of development interest or viability and then the last
recommendation was specific on the Redevelopment as a tool to facilitate that that stand oriented development and including working with Maj Jersy Transit designated developer who is also a major property in the area so all of those create the framework for the
Redevelopment process next slide um just a recap of kind of how we got here back in December 2023 the governing body authorized the planning board to do a preliminary investigation of this area to determine if it met the criteria development he initiated uh that process
that study uh in January of 2024 took a couple months came back to you the board presented that study and you made a recommendation to B Council to designate those areas that they did meet the criteria for designation as Redevelopment and the council made that
action in April of last year um got a little bit wrinkled because there were additional six properties um we got into the planning process um and these six properties were owned by New Jersey Transit it became apparent that they not been included from the GetGo but they
should have been so another study was initiated to look at those those into the overall re Development Area did those additional properties meet the criteria this board recommended that they did the council three and found that um that they just meet the criteria
and added those six properties to the designated area just in February so all of that has has of brought us to where we are now the sort of conclusion of the planning aspect the planning portion of this phase um the plan that you have before you tonight potentially um if
this board makes a a recommendation a positive recommendation to B Council um The Next Step would be for Council to adopt this Redevelopment plan potentially next month that is obviously dependent on the outcome of tonight and any future meetings so that is the kind of overall timeline in terms of the
Redevelopment portion of the process and how we got here next Slide the process is also included uh engagement with the public there were two public workshops held last year um both well attended to get feedback um on first the vision for this plan what the community really
wanted to see what they didn't want to see and then a little bit later toward the end of the year looking at some of the initial concepts by the developer in this case and seeing what you know what sort of on the table and getting some back on that those were very helpful um
the input that we got at those workshops directly fed into this Redevelopment plan in terms of the uses that people wanted to see design standards that people wanted to see what they wanted the buildings to look like what they'd like to see in public spaces so all of that really came through uh in the Redevelopment plan as well as goals for
the plan of wall the process is also involved a lot of coordination with Bal officials elected commission and staff New Jersey Transit has been an active participant uh in this process they obviously are a major property owner and they Al also want this to continue to be a great train station and and that is
really first and foremost that function and the operation of this train station can't can't be diminished in any way um and then Den Holtz has also as the as the New Jersey Transit designated developer and a major property owner in the study area has been involved in this process as is typical for redevelopment
plan like this really is a public private partnership it's negotiation not everybody gets everything they want but you come up with a plan that hopefully um everybody can agree on consensus is is really the best for the buau and it also incorporates we hope this plan on
the draft plan um best practices for redevelopment that we're looking at throughout the state there's a lot of work being undertaken on to and development tool in particular but there's a lot of Standards there's a lot of you know commonalities that we can look at there's a lot that P from Urban
Design that's happening in the state and the region so really learning from other people's experiences and and learning from other people's mistakes you know looking around at at apartment buildings that are coming up and how do we avoid looking quite like that what can we do in terms of a design standard to make sure that we get something a little bit
higher quality so that is all factored into this planning as well planning context I think you all know where it is I hope um just on the areial on the left you see that the train station itself is the centerpiece
of this uh study area but you see on the image of right um the entire area is shown in blue it's a funy St because it includes the rail yard and some of the actual rail rway as well um but that is an area that that that entire area was
studied for the designation and it was brought into the designation of the so in terms of the plan itself um it is as I said the me of that plan is 40 pages starts out describing the area itself a little bit of the background process
um the Redevelopment process as a whole but also how the burough came to this point um there are a set of goals that are established specifically for this re plan um and we have to look at how this plan interacts with the master plan as well as other local planning objectives
and many documents and then we get into what essentially is the zoning into this Redevelopment plan the subd districts and how those come into play and I'll talk about those the whole host of Standards whether it's area height bulk General planning standers and then all
the design criteria design standers that part of um we do have a number of Statute statutory elements that we have to have to look at in terms of plan consistency all your neighboring communities so anybody that AB buts Red Bank we need to look at how this plan is
consistent with their Master plans um there's a whole host of sort of implementation pieces that we Telegraph and I'll talk about those at the end basically saying everything that this plan will need to be implemented um and next steps on that we do have to kind of give a summary of how we're meeting all
the different statutory requirements and then there is a set of definitions that are basically zoning definitions and in some cases they supersede the zoning definitions that are in the rest of your code but in others they're just a lot more tailored specific to this transation R development plan so I'm
going to dive in uh and take you through this slide on the goals and again these came directly out of the public engagement that was done for this project the master plan is also a good starting point but these are a bit more refined and tailored to the train station area in particular so the first
uh first goal is kind of from the master plan as well but using as I mentioned early on using this potential revitalization future improvements here including in the public real and pedestrian improvements using um that to connect your central business district your central commercial district and the
shrewbury Avenue Corridor and really strengthen the identity of both places so not not detracting from either really pulling it all together um second goal deals with uh supporting multimodal Transportation opportunities this is uh first and foremost a multimodal hub um
it's got train it's got bus it's got bicycling walking taxi ride share we want all of that to be able to continue in a way that is not the same as now it is now perhaps enhanced so that is really first and foremost another goal is to promote multif family housing um
both market rate and affordable at the density that is appropriate for this type of train oriented development it really creates that viable development option here and these are no particular priority order by the way um next goal is about the public ground we spent a
lot of time in the in the Redevelopment plan talking about this there's a lot of design standard specifically to the public ground and by that mean the public plazas the sidewalks the streets that will created uh in this area making sure that it's accessible and by that we mean Ada accessible but also accessible
opening welcoming to the entire community uh that is community serving and has amenities for for residents for Passive Recreation special events arts and culture and just Gathering spaces so very important another goal is about sustainability um we know that this is
an area that is nearly 100% paved so there's an opportunity to reduce impervious coverage here um increase vegetative cover Through storm water management and lessen the heat VI effect that we know is in place today and then lastly really using this as an opportunity need to introduce and
facilitate Community facing uses Community serving uses um that complement rather than compete with your existing business areas we know that that's very important to Red Bank we want to see these asort of Partners and complimentary to each other rather than
competition next slide um diving right in so when we get to the nuts and bolts of how we're going to regulate development in this Redevelopment area we really looked at three distinct areas and most most of you can probably see um everything
outlined in pink is in District a which is the basically the train stationary itself Mama Street to the north all the way down to Dr stames Parker Boulevard to the South this is the land that is generally owned by inury transit and denol properties it's basically the
focus of of this Redevelopment plan we know that that is where there is a development proposal this is where most of the standards really are going to apply but there are other areas that were part of this study area this Redevelopment area the DBW side being one of them so that's what you see
outlined in green um and that is is going to be um a focus of a burrow effort you know the burrow is actively working on a separate we Rehabilitation effort there um long overdue but that is something that b is working on there's IM there's Draft plans I believe um and
so that is going to be proceeding parallel and a bit separate from this just read about my plan it's not dependent on this Redevelopment plan we're we're certainly anticipating it supporting it but it's something that the bur can proceed with on their own and then the Third District is District
C the count basy site this is the supportive office and some of the other infrastructure for count Bas it's not the theater itself but there's some performance spaces office spaces Etc that's outlined in Orange um this was included in the Redevelopment
destination uh and in the study area of theel plan there are no imminent plans development plans known um there's no indication that the property owner is interested in a change so um there are some some development standards here basic standards that cover that District
but they generally are right now maintaining the status quo with the expectation that there won't be any change the near term on that if they were to want to come back they're part of this Redevelopment plan um that's an option available to that property owner would likely require an amendment to
this plan to really facilitate development on that site so within the general focus of this plan District a the train station area um that is further subdivided into What's called the North Parcel and the South parcel so the North Parcel is shown in pink shaded
in and then the South parcel is shown in a blue sort of teal color um and the reason they're separated is because they're they're a little bit different in terms of their their contexts the North Parcel is obviously suppos right at the train station it's on Mama Street
it has a little bit more connection to the commercial core um kind of lends itself more to True mix use environment a little bit more commercial space whereas the South parcel starts to get closer to some of the residential neighborhoods maybe lends itself more to
a residential Focus slightly different scale so you want to kind of think about different different standards that really apply to both of those areas and then what you see in yellow is the rail yard which is to stay um basically as is Fen off as it currently is from the
public that is not going to change talk a little bit about some long-term ideas there but but really that portion of the Redevelopment area is as is and anything in the future that might change in that regard in terms of future development again would require an amendment to the
plan know that hard for folks to reach out probably read some of this slide looking at permitted uses um um in each of these three districts District a again the train station area has the most uses contemplated and really the
idea here is to allow all uses so multi family both market rate and affordable as well as mixed use in that mixed use context um really lay of retail except tobacco shops Personal Care Urgent Care Banks as long as they're not drive
through we actually heard Workshop a desire for banks because there are none on this side of town restaurants and food services uses um museums performance space art galleries artistan workshops really anything related to the Arts and Cultural space um breweries
fruit pubs distilleries bars and lounges preschools and child care that's something we heard strong interest in from the community indoor Recreation so that's really think anything in the fitness realm um obviously traditional gyms but also classes those could be
exercise classes even or Leisure or classes classes there's poost of options there co-working space Community nonprofit uses called essential Services those are defined by the B and they're allowed in most zones retail cannabis
and then public open space and related amen amenities and obviously the transit and all the related amenities to go with that these are principal permitted uses there are also some accessory uses in the plan like Alber dining that are also contemplated in District a
District B is pretty Limited in terms of its permitted uses again this is the upw site and so really the uses here are what's there now government facilities public utilities and related infrastructure District C that count basy back office site really anything
that is currently allowed in the br2 district which is its current zoning so really no change to the permited uses there and the br2 is is pretty um pretty broad as well it allows a good mix of residential but also commercial uses in the
area so in terms of bulk requirements area height setback and density um we're really looking at the North Parcel and South parcel here in District a and that train station area so the North Parcel one that is close to Mama Street minimum lot size there is three and a half acres
there is a limit maximum on the ground floor um non-residential space for any one individual tenant of 7,000 square fet and that's really meant to avoid a huge big type size uses we want to make sure that these are a little bit small
scale appropriate for a community like red bang maximum building coverage of 50% maximum cous coverage 85% Building height of 6 St 75 feet there some setbacks minimum setbacks along specifically on Monmouth West and
Chestnut streets and then the maximum residential density essentially eques to 200 units on this North Parcel on the south parcel which is again um between Leonard and Chestnut um slightly different minimum L size 4 Acres uh
slightly smaller um maximum ground floor space for10 it's 5,000 square feet um coverage numbers are the same um bit of a smaller height again because it's closer to residential neighborhoods it's starting to kind of scale down a bit um so five stories and 60 feet there little
bit more generous setbacks on Chestnut Herbert and Leonard streets um but the same basic I Vision here on the south parcel is that there'll be less commercial space most likely or non-residential space there will be again more more Focus building on residential and I should say
that these are all minimums or maximums it basically just creates the Box um and in all likelihood a lot of these maximums will not be met um when you craft or redevelop a plan you're trying to contemplate and anticipate F development it's still very conceptual
so there's a little bit of wiggle room in here because nobody wants to come back have to amend the plan 10 times um so these maximums are truly that U maximums uh and two cases minimums as well on the DPW site um really there's
not a lot of change here we did um suggest a maximum Building height of 40 feet um but really everything else would be provided for as part of the bureau's upgrade plans um so there's really no um specifics on seta density that kind of thing because it is going to be a veral
property at DPW site and then on the count Acy site um really maintaining the existing density area and B Provisions in the br2 no changes there um and one reason we did that is because again there's no actual development contemplated on that site um we were
really loathed to impose new density standards and new bul standards when the site is really not changing and this is a site that is um you know kind of adjacent to some residential neighborhoods it's a very different scale from the train station area so we would not have wanted to impose anything
comparable to the train station on that property in terms of parking long list here and I'm not going to go through all these ratios but they're basically um reduced parking ratios in the the district a train station area what we did was we started from the train station zoning that currently exists
which already is slightly reduced minimum parking requirements from the rest of the gr and we went a little bit lower um and really each use tailored that so for example on the multif family side we looked at Studio one bedroom and two bedroom and three bedroom different
um parking minimums per bedroom type um we really went about as low as we felt comfortable going um I know there were some comments you know could we go lower or maybe not even require minimum parking we really do have a lot of experience our firm with tods that have actually been built in the region and
we've seen what the actual parking demand is so we really wanted to feel comfortable that b would not be creating some kind of a parking shortage know that people are going to be living here and they're going to be having cars um so they they need to be able to park there there are some parking standards
for the non-residential uses as well and go through all of that again they're most most of those are fairly similar to the existing B standards but usually just a bit lower because it's in recognition this is at a train station we do expect that there be more walking
to and from these uses and then did the other two districts be and see no changes to the parking standards they really they will continue to rely on the EXs there are some other parking Provisions aside from the minimums that
I wanted to talk about um first of all a there is a minimum requirement of 150 spaces that will be dedicated and marked and accessible for commuters and the public um those may be a combination of on Street um the interior streets as
well as in garages that 150 number is straight from New Jersey Transit it is what they um feel they need in terms of supporting the commuter that currently are there um so we really you know needed to maintain that and then this is different from your your current Zing we
actually have parking maximums here too so really again trying to kind of balance the need to provide parking for both residents as well as public and commuters but not putting more pavement down we really want to come down on the pavement so there's a maximum of on
street parking um and this is new streets to be created so really parking along those sort of north south streets um m maximum will be 75 spaces on the North Parcel and 55 spaces on Street on the south parcel again both along those new North South Streets and those are
maximums I think in all likelihood down a little bit lower than those um there is a maximum overall kind of Allin number um in terms of the total parking new parking here of 725 spaces that's going to cover that 150 meter in public
spaces the um 75 and 55 Maxes that I just talked about and really anything else um that might be covered so if they have maxed out on the 75 spaces and 55 spaces on street they need to provide everything else in a garage and it's
really come on the developer to provide the parking that they need um that 725 total does not include the existing Bridge Street computer lot right there at the corner of bridge in Monmouth that is not changing are not proposed to change um it's about 60 spaces currently
so those will remain available and remain C spots so they're not part of that St room 25 um it also does not include there's some potential spaces for Rail Yard employees that may be sou so of tucked in behind the building
along the they're not part of that 75 that's going to probably be part of the developer agreement really between the developer and New Jersey transit to make sure that they're providing space for those employees and then lastly it doesn't include um existing existing
garage for the rail development so that 725 is sort of new new new spaces both in garage and in surface in terms of parking standards for the overall Redevelopment area so this really does also apply to the other two districts um
there is provision for flexibility when it comes to site plan review that this board could give some flexibility on parking standards based on shared parking opportunities and that would be sub analysis done by the applicant there are specific requirements on bike spaces
both indoor and outdoor and that are provided for U commuters as well as residents and those are in addition to any bike spaces that currently exist so there'll be a lot more new ones um and then there's also Provisions for E charging spaces again that serve both the public and the future residents and
then Provisions for loading areas we know that that has become more and more important in the age of Amazon and getting everything delivered so loading areas for deliveries drop off and then moving by residents so we want to make sure that's accounted for in future
planning another piece of this plan that is as I mentioned early on unique to the Redevelopment process is it really does allow you to get into the fine brain on design so this plan does that talks about issues like building massing specifically designed this is where we
talk about breaking up roof lines breaking up long uninterrupted bads ways we can do that through design and building articulation um it talks about building materials and we heard the community loud and clear on red brick um not that we're forcing buildings to be
all red brick but there is a provision where there's a minimum amount of all the building facades that need to incorporate some type of red brick type um material it doesn't say they all have to be the same brick but we encourage creativity but obviously recognizing
that there is a context here there is an established um vocabulary the red M CS um building frontages there's a lot of attention paid to basically where the um private building meets the public ground so making sure that that is inviting and and sort of seamless with the public
realm access circulation utilities and Mechanicals we talk a lot about the new streets um what those need to include in terms of minimum sidewalk widths accessibility we talk about M Street West Street with sums of tail and setbacks looking at potential
improvements along those streets um bearing utilities to the greatest extent practicable all the development and they making sure that all Mechanicals whether they're on rooftops or whether they're own ground are fully screened and incorporated as part of that design there are a number of historic elements
u in the area now the most obvious being the translation building itself but there are a number of other markers I think many are familiar to you um and the public as well and so there's a provision that those those stay whether they stay in place or they are Tastefully thoughtfully relocated
Elsewhere on the site they will remain remain accessible signage Landscaping screening fencing and lighting these are all really important they matter they matter in how Place U feels to people and how it actually is implemented so
things like no internally lit signage um screening Landscaping requirements of looking at native plants that are part of the shade tree Comm committee's um list um maintenance of those plants that came up earlier tonight so making sure that the developer is responsible for long-term maintenance of those plants um
programming the public spaces who's who's sort of managing those spaces who's maintaining them fencing in terms of high def fencing but also making sure you don't have these long expanses of fences with blank walls so thinking about art thinking about landscape screening um we do have fencing in place
um lighting there's Provisions for dark skylighting um and really other ways toote more decorative Lighting in this area and then there's a lot of attention paid to public space the plaza area in particular and making sure that that's space is green both from um foliage
vegetation standpoint but also sustainability standpoint strong water making sure that it's inviting and it's clear that it is a public space truly public space so that includes the public Plaza proposed at the corner of Monmouth and um train station area but also
there's a new proposed pedestrian walkway on Oakland Street using the current RightWay and that would pedestrian only so we spent a lot of time on that and making sure that it's it's a again going to be a public space it's not going to feel private it's not going to feel like you're trespassing on
somebody's Farm building it's going to have high visibility to the train station directly to the train station so that people understand that they can walk right up and access the train station that way so some um some clear standards on that public space and then lastly um a lot of Standards on green
and sustainable design so things like need equivalent design um po roofs where you can't do full on green roofs so that's you know an alternative um looking at specifics on the new building construction to make sure that it's energy efficient it's using all of the
tools that are available now in the private sector um for for Energy Efficiency so just some examples on the next slide um that are in the plan um so here you see these are just some Concepts and again these are these are meant to be illustrative um for the
standards and the guidelines that are in the plan so you you have M Street we know that the B has also has plans to do some upgrades here along L There's an opportunity for more trees obviously um some slight differences to
the growth way crosswalker improvements and then on the left you see that proposed Oakland pedestrian passage way um and and the proposal that I was just talking about here keeping it kind of free and clear clear to the public um good sight lines to the train station itself um there's minimum width to make
sure that it's it's an ample and generous walkway so something that will really be usable by the um next slide we get into some of the um building massing um items this is really looking at where where you do have long facades which sometimes is not
avoidable would prefer to have shorter facades but sometimes building designs can't L themselves to that so there's a lot that you can do in terms of the vertical and the horizontal of the building design to break up those facades particularly along the roof line you know we've seen those new apartment
buildings it just have sort of a constant 100 foot more long roof line um it just looks like a giant block so that's what we're trying to avoid here break that up make that more investering scaled more user scaled and and the high
quality development that I think is looking for so these are um just some Ming illustrations that are part of the plan and then there's a series beyond the bulk standards beyond the the design standards there's sort of a grab bag of other standards other requirements that
when it comes to site plan uh application the any developer would be required to do they will need to submit building elevations and renderings from all viewpoints uh as far as that site plan application the planning board is authorized to request a materials board
we've seen this in other communities where they actually have to show you colors the materials it has to be a physical board that's available you know at the municip municipal building the public can go look at it that's a really important way to kind of understand what you're going to be looking at um storm
water management obviously needs to meet the most Trent requirements with the focus on green infrastructure traffic and parking we know is a major concern and issue for folks um so this plan does require completion of a traffic and Park parking study prior to the submission of a
Seline application that study the contents of it will be agreed upon with the buau as part of the redeveloper agreement but it will look specifically at traffic generation but also analysis of the bus routs and location of Bus St bus stops and TR movements and whether
there need to be any improvements made toate any of those changes there is a set aside it has to be on site not put elsewhere and it cannot be paid and lo so there will be affordable housing almost at a minimum of 20% public art
and murals we we suggesting that they be incorporated throughout there is a real opportunity here to create sense of face create a lot of artistic Comm already here and then lastly there are Provisions for a construction and phasing plan this is a major uh
potential development so the construction of that is likely to be disruptive and so it needs to be carefully managed and planned for so that everyone knows what to expect that lifetime of the construction there are also a series of off-site improvements that are discussed
this is another benefit of Redevelopment is it does give you an opportunity to um to get some public amenities and public benefits as part of this development so this this is um an area again of town that the B has spent a lot of time planning um and New Jersey trans has too a lot of study over the years of bike
pedestrian improvements we know there are issues there accident histories here um so there's a lot of opportunities to improve crosswalks incl sidewalks bik planes so what we've done is we've kind of put together some of those prior planning efforts um this the report you
see on the right from 2018 there was also a b pedestrian plan in 2010 so to the extent that those recommendations remain relevant and are not being under undertaken by the buau as part of the mon Street um there is definitely an opportunity and highlighted specific improvements that should be discussed
with developer and then a long-term plan which we heard a lot of interest from from the public in the workshops is um trying to create greater connectivity north south we know that the rail yard and the overall train station area to disrup the street grid it kind of is
what it is but there's an opportunity potential long term as part of this planing effort to get a connection potentially even as far south as as par Boulevard um it will be an improvement even just through this proposed development um because the ra the rail
yard is going to be pushed down a little bit so the gate the current gate is going to be pushed down to Leonard Street so the bur is already going to pick up another two blocks of best roadway Connection in that area so already an improvement north south but there is an opportunity much longer term
there's obviously security concerns New Jersey Transit has it's an active Rail Yard it will remain an active Rail Yard they do not want people walking through it so it would have to be something along the periphery you know gated walled um protecting that rail yard and the people who are nearby so that's a
long-term um plan proposal require coordination with New Jersey Transit but it is in the plan couple other um improvements which aren't on the slide but we talk about West Street um I think most folks know that is part of this plan there is um proposal to relocate
the existing bus stop which is sort of internal to the site near the train station building itself relocate that to West Street that has been bedded by New Jersey Transit that is as we understand their preferred location for that relocation but it clearly is a change
Street there needs to be some analysis of turning movements whds to make sure that that's a safe and effective alternative so there may be some side improvements needed there as well I think this is my last slide actually so what happens next um as the
chairman introduced um Your Role tonight um you may not take action tonight it's really this board's call there's nothing in this plan this draft plan that binds you to any course of action that binds the World Council to any course of action it's really you all are in the driver's seat but if you so choose at
some point you would make a recommendation um to the B of councel that this plan should be adopted and then it's the burough council's decision to adopt the plan if they did essentially the standards and and the guidelines of this plan become the new Zoning for the area and then there's a
whole other process we kind of ended the planning process but then we began the implementation process so then the burrow would need to designate developer I know that Ben host is currently majority transit's designated developer but they're not the B is designated development so that is a step that bur
Council would need to take to designate whether it's sen Holz or anyone one a redeveloper designation and as part of that designation the world would then craft a redeveloper agreement highly detailed you talk a lot about in the plan things that are highlighted for the
redeveloper agreement but it's you get into details like um you know Financial agreements bonding um very specifics on usage management long-term maintenance things like that that process would obviously have to involve New Jersey Transit as well because there's a lot of
considerations for maintaining um some of the transit access making sure that everything is up to speed in terms of the um the actual use of the station that all needs to be spelled out in the Redevelopment agreement and New Jersey trans that's to be comfortable with that as well so that is a process that b
Council would Undertake and when that is completed then the developer will be free to make an application to the planning board for site plan just like any s plan application you would hear it uh there would be public comment review um it's not going to be one night meeting I'm sure there'll be multiple
meetings on that um but that is where you'll really get into a lot of these details that's when they'll come in with actual sense the actual parking spaces the actual numbers that are part of that plan you'll be looking at things like building design and material um as you would with any normal site there's just
a lot more to give you rather than typical zoning um and just like with typical zoning they they don't meet the standards of this plan they need a variance either a variance from you or an amendment to the plan um they cannot get a use variance they cannot get a d
variance that the zoning board uh has jurisdiction over that's very specific in the Redevelopment plan so they need to abide by all the use standards if they don't there's some variation they would need to go back to B Council and get an AM amendment to Redevelopment plan so there is a procedure for
variances and and relief from the plan but it's really um it's not something they can just get a change and at every step of this process as has a already but certainly down the line there is an opportunity for Community review at each St so whether it's the Bal council's
review whether it's the ordinance for developer designation and certainly site plan application for you this board there will be opportunity for Publican I'm G entertain happy entertain questions from the board thank you Susan before I open this up to the board for
any questions I do not Envision moving much past 10 o'clock at all my original thought was 9:30 but I want to give people the opportunity to ask questions tonight I don't anticipate finishing this tonight but if none of you raise your hand then maybe we will um but I
would encourage you uh to do that so first up does anyone from the board have any questions or comments for Susan Susan can you just kind of walk us through the timeline of you know when when everything is happening you know
like from when whenever whenever the recommendation is sent to the council and whenever the council if the council decides to act on the Redevelopment plan the timeline from that point going forward um I think to some extent the
timeline is a little bit on how fast motivated the developer is um how much they want to push to be designated by by the RO as designated develop and then they that would initiate the process of the agreement um I don't think that's going to be a quick and easy agreement to come up with there's a lot that needs
to go in so I would imagine at least a couple mons um and that's going to involve your legal councel uh whoever is on the other side crafting that re two three months I would estimate um and then whenever they choose to come to
the planning board is really on on the applicants timeline and how quick quickly they can put a plan together you know a plan that would require all of the pages and documentation that a Seline application typically does so there's a lot of work that they'll have to do on their end um I know that fold I
know that they're working on financing and state agencies and kinds of stuff that they're looking into um to to further their project so it's not going to be like next week they submit a s plan application I think it'll be pretty uh maybe six months if I had to guess
but it's really kind of on their their time so this is not a not a shortterm prospect once it's approved appr D um it's really a matter of you all know how site plans work they don't they don't get shovels in the ground the day after they get approved either so that's going to be a process as well whatever
permitting they need construction timelines I can't I can't give a specific on that but this thing will not be built this year guarantee you that questions anybody else from the board does anyone from the public have a
question yeah I just have a question um so the all the language that's laid out in this Redevelopment plan draft um just so I'm clear U we had the public meetings you've essentially taken all that information you've pared through it
and distilled it into a series of uh kind of zoning criteria and design criteria that's the guidelines that we're now looking at um and essentially saying we're good with this to pass on to council so it's almost like a really detailed
yeah yeah so just a couple questions on like some of the proposed massing building massing diagrams and that sort of thing these are these are just um essentially illustrations of building massing
principles they're not actually proposed Footprints correct um I mean they are based on Concepts provided by the developer and I hope we have enough caveats here we say again and again anything that's shown that you know from the developer is ustra
excep it's in no way proving anything that they have proposed but it's know you kind of start from somewhere and you want to use an example building so we use what they they came up with um and then imposed on that where would we want to break up the building how might we
address massing this particular build but same principles that would be applied to another building sure so the only the one thing that jumped out of me is the the large mass on the North End of the uh what we're calling North
building where we have the 241.7 feet and just like in a quick plan diagram it's a it's a massive facade and so um there's some language in the building massing design fenestration articulation around
um uh vertical brakes every 40 feet you know to try to break up in facade articulation to try to break up these masses I just I kind of wonder if looking at that if if if that language is enough to
address a mass like that where you know you at least put in building shell also incorporate meaningful Brakes in roof line and cornice uh at least every hundred feet and I wonder if you know we should put in something that says meaningful braks meaningful vertical
meaningful vertical brakes so that at least there's a little bit of room for the board to comment whether or not the articulation in the facade is enough or isn't does that make sense may not do right yeah so because I could see
looking at that facade that's 241 feet and sure they satisfied the criteria of um a vertical break but it's a one foot jog in the facade and it's still a massive wall exactly um I think that's an easy change to make um really giving
you again that framework so when they come to you for site plan got something to hang your hand and you know how you canish them good idea then you had Wilson yeah I'll follow up with what
um you said um I had the same concern on the on the walk along West Street um where there's only a five foot sidewalk um and while there isn't a whole lot of residential along the that
quor I had the same concerns about M but um what I wanted to ask you was in kind of moving all these pieces around obviously there are a lot of trade-offs that you tried to balance uh what were like the top uh you know top three
tradeoffs that you know you kind of wrestled with in putting this to paper well I would have I would have liked to been able to potentially bar varry the tension wires um I know Sean I had a conversation with JC pel I think not
really feasible um because of the weight and that kind of is what it is so there may be ways to incorporate that actually into the old design and make it maybe an asset rather than you know it's it's clearly a challenge um I think also the past use of this site it's a it's kind of a brown field because it's um it's
been so long paved and kind of just no soul Mor management so there um there's not any known contamination but as I understand DP doesn't really want to allow a lot of infiltration here so there there's some limitations about permeable pavement unfortunately you may
hear more about they come back to you um that does limit how much permeable payment they can they can put in here so normally we would obviously want to encourage um most pavement to be per per permeable perious um that may not be possible from an engineering standpoint
so those are a couple tradeoffs um I mean like you all I would like to see that one facade shrunk as well or at least broken up even more so hopefully we provided with the change enough teeth for you all to push for that um I think
most everything else public amending spaces public time on that because we feel like that's when that's how a lot of the residents will experience this site and will want it to be a place like your new marine park but a place where people can come and there
might be special Bor events of a new attraction new place so those are probably the top you mean you added on page 19 you added on page 19 you added some illustrations there about uh entrances
to bre W Street is that something that uh in addition to the illustration we should try and like reduce the language yeah I mean it we talk a little bit about in the accompanying text WR above the photos we talk about maintaining that residential scale that
already exists on we talk about um mitigating impacts on the Armory as a historic resource um yeah if if you feel we need to kind of firm up that text a little bit to be consistent with the photos that wouldn't hurt yeah the idea is that they are clearly a smaller scale
residential entrance it's not not a major apartment entrance it's Su that kind of thing that really lends itself to what's happening across and down the street thank you okay folks sir all the way in the back how many of you anticipate having a
question or concern I'm just trying to okay so everybody um we're we're gonna limit comment here this is just questions by the way not comment we're breaking it up like we always do um we're going to try and stick to three minutes so that we can
get a majority of folks in tonight who want to speak so please tell us who you are and your question I'm the so 128 Wall Street also on the hisor Pres Comm so my question is a general one which is
U trying to understand the financing of the whole project what is it g to cost so so let me stop let me just stop you owner so none of that is appropriate for this board that's all questions for the
council when the council because the board's not not in charge of that we don't have anything to do with designating the developer we don't have anything to do with with deciding who the developer is all this board is doing is looking at the plan itself and adop and recommending a plan to the burrow
Council that's all going to be questions for the council not for this board okay this Bo this board can't even consider financing or anything like that but there's a plan and somebody's gonna own the [Music] building and again that's not appropriate for this board the board
can't even consider that legally it has nothing to do with this board it has the board doesn't get involved until we get an application correct from an a developer for the sites we're talking about which won't be I anticipate for
more than six months so the developer proper yes okay that'll all be part of the redeveloper agreement that the council will so when considering building the buildings um the historic preservation
commission has just uh hired a new consultant who is going to be coming up with guidelines for um for for us to make decisions but I'm wondering if the developer or the the planning board would
consider asking the developer to include the guidelines that are considered for historic preservation the architecture of the those the Renditions I've seen are are
beautiful but they're you know they're the first thing people are going to see when they get off the train and red and so if we could try to keep some of that to our our rout of the Victorian River Town that would be nice while the this
zone is not in the Juris jurisdiction of historic reservation we would certainly take that all into account ow me to scold you that was not really a question that was really a comment um but he did say can we okay all right all
right um that's that's very important to us how something's G to look and how it's going to make people feel whether or not we approve of any kind of development but I appreciate you bring it out station right keep in mind the train
station staying the way it is being rehabilit though I think aren't they they're not touching okay so and and I and I should add if that is something if the board was interested in you could add that to the plan so so that would be legitimate dealing with
the architecture the architecture of of the properties you could definitely add that in if you wanted to if we hate it we'll say so least I will Mr Bou come on up um I did read what you gave me and I
do feel as though we have handled section number one an inadequate public notice already so if you would please skip over that I would appreciate it so just William 90 Bank stre okay so rather
than going through what I anticipated as a presentation I gave the chair a light up Mr Portman know that I I don't amb wish know I let people know what I've been ready to talk about before I talk
about it so the main question question is what Provisions do you have in all this planning to address the ding black population in
dentrification all these high density luxury developments that are coming in and basically the presentation do not even address even the word gentrification or displacement and that question has been closed to
miss Susan before during one of the presentations introducing the master plan so as the president of the r red BP my main interest is how do
we that displacement start 2000% of the black population is now doing to 7% That's the question go ahead s it's it's a tough question I remember from the master plan noted that
demographic change it's not red bank it's happening all fortunately and it's a real challenge that one site and one development can't necessarily address on its own on the displacement question I'm glad that that was brought up because that is a requirement that you have to
address in the State Statute in the Redevelopment plan is there any displacement that would be caused by this development a direct displacement and there is no current residential um usage on this site there is a single family home that is part of the Redevelopment area but it's not occupied
um it is not owned by Den hols there is no one living there so there is no um direct displacement um you know gentrification is a challenge um development happens and there's there's only so much that can be done but I think that the affordable housing set
aside here is a significant benefit um as I understand it with upcoming fourth round this is likely to satisfy on its own the B's um requirements for affordable housing so it's it's a net public good for the that's from an income standpoint
there's really not much we can do in terms of um specifically targeting you know racial and ethnic groups to to keep here but we can get at the income question and that is beinging commission next up anyone from the public have a
question come on up man I apologize I usually write down everyone's name and I did not write down yours marav marar Cavalier West Side resident
and HTC member and my questions I don't know how if can make a question but basically page 21 through 23 and Page 31 deals with the Bus drop off and queuing and I guess if I do a question it would
be how can you take that bus turn around and put it on a residential street like West yeah it's going to be a question that um War analysis is needed on I I do know that New Jersey Transit hasn't actually looked at in uses where they
closing bus stop this is not coming from the developer it's coming from Jersey Transit closer yeah closer um so that will be looked at as part of traffic and parking studyed that undertake that we look particularly at West Street but
momth as well and how that bus circulation it's safe in terms of pedestrian access to the bus stations um and the turnaround is possible as well and margerie keep in mind that we're not locking that into anything here they're going to have to come up
with a plan that New Jersey Transit is happy with and that our engineer likes from a safety standpoint you've seen a lot of De down in that triangle and it's scary I'm surprised I'm alive today having played on those
tracks my entire childhood there's nothing in this plan that finds to be where they are now at least that's so that a certainly sub to as chairman said further further work on the engineering side okay and and the second question I
have is um also in the same section on page 22 about the Pres ation of historic elements while the train station itself is safe I mean you may put a Starbucks on the inside of it which
would make me cringe because that's in the plan markets coffee shops I'd rather Dunkin Donuts personally but you also say in the plan misspelled a little bit um that the other markers could be
relocated away from the historic triangle so where in this plan would you put the the O marker the gatekeeper Booth the basy bust and the metal artwork if you
were going to take it away from the historic triangle where do you where would you put it along the tracks um I would say that relocation is unlikely for those Visions because all of those are in the area that's proposed for public Plaza so most likely they
would be incorporated as part of that design um it's really just in case there is some kind of relocation I think HPC would be heavily involved in that where would I hope so because sorry that's a comment but but if you understand the
role of the State Office of historic preservation it's really the local ordinances that protect the design guidelines that's a comment and say ship well very involved in this too
um all they do is designate it as histor and then they're done well I I do know that there is some um revie that they have over this develop development we'll see and any changes of that are going to come before this board so you will have an opportunity to at least weigh in on that and I agree I don't think they're
going to be able to go far well if they have to move the gatekeeper's house I'm afraid it will yes I don't think I don't think moving it thank youly West Side speaking for myself and
no board I um uh I think it was s 11 listing um District a what can go there listed a bunch of different items one of them was retail cannabis not can were if you
already have all the license hug are you saying if a license closes like one W PL traffic there that we can have cannabis there or is this opening up a can having more licenses this definitely is not creating
another location for license I think one would have to close we're capped at three right now and if one of them closes then someone can open somewhere else in a permitted Zone um
uh I think it was there was a SL mentioning about the six story and the five stories and you said that was just an opening is not necessarily guaranteed and then that would be the maximum maximum okay and you said you don't want to go back to
the drawing board if if they decid do that maximum um it's just kind of funny because uh one of the Articles uh they were speaking about the the six story um building and a five story
building one of the Red Bank GRE articles so is it possible though for whoever decides to build here even ask for more or the cap is period that's that's the cap and personally they can ask anything they
want I personally have made it clear but I have no interest in anything a foot taller than six stories I'm not even sure I like six stories seven for me personally is an absolute non-starter and I made that
clear um with that being said I I think in the past I guess this is the process in one of the meetings I went to there was a a redition about how a tall building would affect the surrounding areas which gave residents and people in that vicinity uh a feel on how
this tall building would hit us either the sunlight or our viewing that be something coming down the road because when you look at like ca Crossing they built the N condos um Dr James it's kind of ridiculous you got this tall building
you find ones right there it just kind of the these buildings are going to be tall they're going to be my guess is between five and six stories the sunlight that is enjoyed by people on their property is not
a preserved right if someone is allowed to build a 10-story building next to you you're going to have more shade than you had before that's just the way it is but we are not interested in particularly tall buildings here five to six stories I
think is the most you'll see especially if the mayor and counsel adopts this Redevelopment plan we're saying in the plan we're really not interested in anything taller than that doesn't mean someone isn't ask because they've asked before variance or actual amendment to
ROP and My Dead Body lastly uh all this talk what's possibly gonna happen here how when do we bring in infrastructure because at the um there was an article just written too about how you couldn't grow pot
letter she because it wasn't enough electricity now you want to put all this stuff in there too so is there going to be enough infrastructure to substain all these units for example GR in the pot and um you know powerful these
parts that's going to all be have to be addressed in site plan you're you're professional we professionals Engineers will have to review that the applicant would have to submit documentation that there is infrastructure adequate to handle it depends on the size of the building depends on how many apartments
how many how much water they need all of that we can't speak to till we get a plan we don't have a plan no that's fair and then lastly um you said that you need to hire our developed agency is that be open committing or we just to
the council just to is not going for openting we're not going to hire an agency we may hire a professional or the council May hire a professional to help them in the same way that we hired Susan and her firm to help us through this part of it and be clear the the planning
board would not play a role that that that would be up to the council completely action likely certainly will are their legal council and may require some Financial expertise as well so you already leaned over to the mayor a little while ago and so the lawyers are going to kill it on this one but for
that that or is that just again it's not you'd have to ask the mayor and counsel that the board has no control over that whatsoever the process no what I'm what I'm telling you it's just it's not it's not a good question to ask us because we're not qualified to answer that this is the planning board you'd have to ask
the council that other questions folks good evening John Anderson and the chairman of Red River Center um we um we want to better understand and what the maximum square footage of commercial
space would be on a parcel land or itself there is no firm maximum um some of that is limited by the fact that all non-residential uses are limited only um and when I say non-residential it's not all commercial necessarily there there's
retail permitted here but there's also a number of other nonr uses like daycare you know art galleries museums that are not retail necessarily or commercial still be allowed um so what's really going to drive um the actual square footage of that non-residential space is
going to be the building itself um they are limited obviously on the overall height the overall density the residential density um so residential is going to fill in the upper floors residential is not prohibited from ground floor so we expect that there'll be some ground floor residential space
as well it's not all going to be non-residential um so that's really going to be a function of when they come in the natural build and and you know what they feel that their markets support so just in terms of the actual standard like the the cap or where they would top out at under
this plan um can you help me understand using the non-residential floor area and the size of these Parcels what they could build in commercial or non residential space yeah I mean I can't give you like a number right now um but they are
limited to overall residential density of 58 units per acre so that's going to be their residential Max um they are limited on setbacks and height so that's going to give you the actual shell of the building they're also Li coverage and then the amount of which that the
ground floor of that building they choose to fill with non residential Space is really going to be a function of their proposal what they feel they can get in terms of tenants what they want the tenant mix to be um and who those tenants are so how many a
is U calling it parcel a north and south how many acres is that so parcel a minimum L size is three and a half acres parcel South parcel is four acres now that North Parcel also includes minimum amount of open space should got on this
slide actually um and that's to accommodate public Plaza new streets the sherff street that um that is proposed the Oakland walkway so so all of that is sort of dedicated as public space that's a minimum parcel size but
how how big is the actual parcel um to go back to the designation probably that's the way for a plan whenever we get one well I mean you're you're establishing an ordinance that has a floor area ratio they have a certain amount of land we didn't review
that floor area ratio earlier was on the slide just trying to help you know my constituents at Red Bank River Center understand if we're going to be advancing the goal of complimentary rather than competitive uses or not understand that I I think I have to
understand the upper eel how much commercial space we have here under the floor area ratio standard shooting has to adopt Susan could you work on that for us to have at the next meeting work on that yeah I've heard the comment there's some concern about competition
um I hear that you know the idea of the broad array of permitted uses that are proposed here um was some responsive to what we heard during the community engagement really the desire for Community focused um uses a lot of these uses I don't think are allowed in your current commercial districts or at least
not um particularly viable because many of them require larger floor plates it might be more ideal for a spot like this like for example Performance spaces or Museum obviously part from count basy itself um so here you you can look at whether there are addition a followup
would there be any consideration to imposing a subcategory sub limitation on retail restaurant and office even that we have downtown already we have on the street we have Broad Street we have Front Street where a lot of these types
of uses exist so I would be loathed to impose that kind of detail on the uses and the mix of uses mainly because um particularly with the Redevelopment plan if you if you need a change on those uses that is not a variance that the plan wouldn't give so they'd have to come back every time they had a
different user that may did quite fit in with whatever mix and number we came up with it's really hard to predict exactly what's going to happen in two years five years I saying Sean I had a Redevelopment plan that was done just before covid had very specific um set of
sides for non-residential requirements they had to come back and amend that because with Co retail St became not viable they need more residential so you want to build in a little bit of flexibility um but I hear you and we can look at some upper Li limit caps and
that is also something the rural Council can look at in more detail in the development so if there's like specific um visions that they would like to see on you know retail mix some kind of limitations that's something the developer can address and that's not
something that has to be you know amended same way that AG on plan and as much as over the years we've wanted to connect Broad Street to the train station this could help with that yeah I certainly I I wouldn't want
to force someone to have to go to Broad Street for a specific use no and I'm not saying to prohibit the uses I'm just trying to get a sense of what the scale or scope okay we'll try and get you some of that at the next meeting I know there's a ratio in there that wasn't wasn't
specifically addressed tonight I don't have the overall acreage but if you have the acreage you have the ratio you can do the math and figure out what allow the square footage you can hire yourself an engineer I can do the calculations B upon the minimum lot size but that's a
minimum not a maximum right lot's bigger then the space gets bigger yeah I apologize that the F got left off that table to it as as did the minimum public space which is 10% that on that thank you thank you someone else in
the public have a question for the board for Susan you know anything you wanted what you Mr ancel 39 branch um this is probably more of a general
question just in terms of how Transit Villages are the density the size the scale of the building Transit villes are works out Ian this is a huge perspectively a huge development
in a town which you know certainly when I moved there 20 years ago was you know a quaint Victorian and um you know um low level sort of building type
town I think a lot of the residents in the town are very concerned about just the size scale uh of this development and how it's going to affect it I just I'm just interested to know
how the development of this size in terms of like a Transit Village and its density and the number the number of units is sort of worked out it just seems like a a gargantuan um development in a in a town
which in terms of his personality doesn't really I don't think really deserves to have something of this size not really sure a question in here but I can try to answer it well I I mean equation is there a basic
scientific equation where it says you know to support transability need X number of units per square foot or Square nobody hates tall buildings more than me sorry nobody hates tall buildings more than me and I I think
that there's there's probably some formula that someone has that I can't speak to but remember New Jersey transit's a partner here a great deal of this property is theirs yeah their chosen developer has purchased other properties like Mayo Clinic the house
behind it and probably some other stuff that I'm not even aware of um and I think if you're looking at something that's four acres you can probably fit a certain number of units inside of four acres versus eight acres and this is a
very long spot and they've obviously decided both New Jersey Transit and their developer that two buildings make sense because of the way the rail line bisects the property um oh it's two separate sections is it
separate two separ yeah it's two it's two sections so when you look at a certain number of Acres there's there's a reasonable number of of units in that case or
commercial square footage that someone might want and then there's someone who's always going to want more than that and that's where the voice of the residents and a board re that really looks into this from from the whole town standpoint that we say is too much or too little I don't know where we could
refer you to a formula along for there are sort of overall standards I mean I know previously had 35 to the acre in um in your existing train station zoning that has proven not to be dense enough to facilitate
development I think that was the guidance you also got from the St in the transit Village process there's not a magic number necessary neily um there are kind of ranges that we're seeing in TOS elsewhere in the state and region every developer is going to come in and
and want more probably than the the municipality is comfortable with they're going to have their internal number that they need to meet to make it actually financially work um which we have said publicly more than once we don't care but their number is that's the question
like said anybody considered a mixed sort of um size group of buildings for example and again I'm not a town planner you know that's why you guys are all here but as a concerned resident you know I'm looking at I'm
thinking well do we need to gargantuan um 400 unit apartment buildings when realistically if if you want to keep the the the character of the Town sort of intact could it be a mix of apartment buildings and Tow
houses for example could that work it's probably going to it's not going to satisfy the developer because they want to squeeze every last ounce of cash can out of their development obviously I mean I'm not stupid I know know how this stuff works but as a as a as a group of
people that that have lived here for a long time and love this place is there a is there a is there an argument to say well maybe it doesn't need to be 400 units could it be 200 units then a bunch of town houses
example could it be yes and that argument will take place when we see an actual plan okay and we're not against that argument we're all residents living here too yeah yeah but my sense is the plan is only going to be what is currently on the table or spe biger no
it cannot be bigger that's where my dead body comes in again not happening okay so what the plan does is create the overall parameters they will ultimately come in um if it's this developer if it's somebody else working under the frame of this plan they'll have to come into the board and make their argument and I'm
sure this board is going to have opinions um on how dense it is how tall it is what it looks like so it is definitely not the last word but I can assure you that it's not going to get bigger without now having to come back and beg for a change to the Redevelopment plan which would be a whole reopening of this process and I
don't love the idea of 400 units either I I grew up in this neighborhood my grandparents lived on trb Avenue my grandfather had his plumbing supply at 66 Bridge Avenue I grew up across the street from where this is going to be and I don't know that I love 400 units
either but until we see a whole plan people asked so many questions about this like it's been designed and there's so many parameters yet to look at absolutely that I think will make it very interesting I guess the last thing is could it could it
potentially be smaller always be sure absolutely there thank you Maxim we're gonna take one more folks who wants it Mar m 95 Hudson Avenue you know I've made myself so many notes and I've looked at so much stuff and now I'm
totally confused so I'll try to uh let me say I agree with a lot of what Mr anel has said I would um in my mind my concern a couple concerns one is density
bonus limit questions please I know well I'm just trying to get organize my thoughts density parking the shared Street concept and of course the design so Susan you've calculated uh density
based on an area of 11 acres but as your presentation showed a lot of that 11 is really not buildable it's the railroad yard it's the rail tracks so why are we using the larger area to calculate
density when if we use the actual buildable lots to calculate density that would drive your density numbers up which might then require that you amend some of
these uh recommendations that you have to bring it down so and it's I don't know if that made sense but why are you using 11 acres when you only have seven and a half buildable Acres well because the determination of buildable Acres hasn't been made so using the overall
density as a basis of square footage um or sorry units per acre is the standard um with density so you've got to go from the overall because at this point we don't have a plan we don't know what areas are being set aside for infrastructure what areas are being set aside for open space so what might
ultimately count or not count and that's why it's tied not only to units per acre measure but also a Max overall maximum in terms of number of units and it's whichever is less well I really think that the railroad tracks are not going
to be buildable so I I have to question that that rationale but uh in terms of parking uh you're setting a maximum of 725 parking spaces 150 of those are
going to be surface laa surface for now those 150 could be surface or in garage space okay so how many are actually G to be surface that's unknown right now that's why we have those maximums we won't know that till we get a plan we're
saying 150 need to be designated commuters correct and they can either be in a building or on a Surface lot we don't necessarily care what we care about is going to change when we see a plan which we we haven't seen so they
they and New Jersey Transit knows they want 150 spaces I used to drop my daughter off every morning to the train and there was no one there so they've determined New Jersey Transit has that their number is 150 which probably seems about right to me having
gone there every morning at 7:15 which is a little early or a little late for some people so I realized the number of of commuters might have changed but New New Jersey Transit they've never uh rebounded from no no they haven't so there are a lot of
things going on but I'm very concerned about this uh and is this a recommendation actually for this shared Street you know we we get very um enamored with some of these Concepts so there's something in here called a woof
Nerf a woofer the Netherlands from the Dutch yes okay well the Dutch you know they have great uh transit systems they've got trams running all over the place and they have a bicycle culture you know
these guys go out on their bikes drink a lot of beer I mean I've seen like pictures of of of bikes being pulled out of the canals there but we don't have that kind of culture and as much as we want it
it's it's going to be a long time coming so this idea right now that um the traffic has I believe six Ingress egress whatever it is in and out of the train station Mammoth Street Oakland
Street Chestnut Street and now is this an actual proposal that we're going to eliminate that Ingress and egress on Oakland because we want this you know pedestrian fantasy that we're creating
um because in my mind that's going to just increase the ingestion so is this a proposal is it contingent on a true circulation plan because I see this as being very problematic I picked up my
son on Sunday 10:00 a.m. at the train station and the traffic was backed up exiting the parking area onto Chestnut Street because of course the gates were down nobody could move Westward and therefore nobody could
make the left turn to go Eastward and if you're going to limit all everything that's going to be coming in and out the commercial space traffic the train drop offs the parking the Amazon truck the
door Dash the drop off for the child care center I mean that's just going to create more bottlenecks in a town that already has plenty so that's the proposal it's a proposal as of now and it would be subject as final design of both the
sherff street and the Oakland restroom walkway would be done with the engineer uh it would also be accommodated in the redeveloper agreement so again we keep coming back to that redeveloper agreement that the bur Council if I can finish okay the burough council is going to have to u to craft and then also
specifically with the Oakland walkway that is an existing burrow street so that would have to be vacated by burrow ordinance the burrow obviously I know you know there's there's something about this that in and just because a lot of this really Echoes
the den Hol plan and and I feel like we're basically approving that plan before we actually even go through it but I know we it's late and people want to go shared street parking keep keep in mind of course that's the New
Jersey Transit has chosen Den Holtz as their developer we have not yet we meaning the town the mayor and Council and you can't get through Oakland Street to the other side of the station anyway no but you can get in and out of the parking lot and you can drop somebody off at the train station here and that's
why you can avoid the chestn street bottleneck and you can avoid the M Street bottleneck that way and that's why when we get a plan we'll look at all of that as we our engineer I mean those of us who live here have really spent a lot of time strategizing how we were
gonna how we can get around town as as possible I agree with you ASI Mr j y may may I just having heard just some preliminary comments today I just like you heard mostly question yes it's
put an exclamation mark on the very important need for housing and affordable housing and that this project
potential maybe it's too large maybe it's not can bring 80 affordable units minimum to Red minimum minimum bed Banks population has
declined since 2020 new jerseys has grown 9% a year since 2010 if you were to apply that same standard to Red Bank we should have another thousand residents 1,200
residents than have today and have feet on the street and have some bring some vibrancy back to downtown and some housing that's very much needed I just I think we need to keep some perspective on some of the main
points as we go through this well I feel that criticism is directed at my comment have to say that I am a opponent of I do want to see the area developed I want to see it's something that's appropriate for the town I am an advocate for
affordable housing I wish we could put 154 affordable units in that space and units that are suitable for families because that's another issue very few of these apartment buildings that are going
up are really appropriate families with children so we're saying we only want a certain cohort of people and if you look at the demographics of the town and it's in the master plan the biggest uh cohort is empty nesters that's who's moving
into these luxury apartments so they're not people who are here already and are just need housing they're people who are coming from out state so in my mind the affordable housing policy of New Jersey
is part of the problem because it has increased real estate speculation has driven people out of affordable rentals and because they weren't de restricted they don't count towards our
fair share housing Red Bank was always an affordable town where the Working Class People could raise their kids and it's just not anymore so I am a component of affordable housing but these 80 units believe me are not going
to fix the problem we have more homeless in in this town than we've ever had because I know many of these people I know them by name I see them every day I speak with them I try to help them where
I work and it's worse than ever despite as we drive around here we have all these big box developments going up and it has made the problem worse thank you Mary Ellen ladies and gentlemen um with
a motion from a board member we are going to carry this meeting to April 9th there will be no further notice to the public this is your notice if you want to pick this up and have a
question or comment about this or just hear more about it as we move forward I anticipate that we will finish this on April 9th and one way or another um send our thoughts to the mayor and councel whichever way the board decides to go so that is April 9th
would someone like to make that motion to carry the meeting to April 9 Wilson thank you second second there's with no further notice to the public all in favor I thank you all for coming meeting Minister
feary I'll make a motion to approve the minutes of February 12th is all in favor I any opposed I think I have to obain yeah okay you're out now you need a motion to adjourn and now like a motion
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