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issues questions thank you all right so uh this is a pretty simple and straightforward one um we're going to focus our testimony on sheet A600 which you marked in as A6 the revision uh we're really seeking approval for a sign package we've already been to the planning board back in December of 2023 and they were so kind to approve site plan and use and variants and all
that stuff so that nothing you have to think about or consider tonight we um we've got a blade sign which is a small sign you're going to see it on the lower right hand corner of the front facade on A6 my understanding is not only that it's permitted uh but it meets all the specifications under your ordinance for a sign of that type we've got two wall signs um we'll see them sort of centrally on six uh one on the first
floor elevation one on the second floor above um the review memo mentioned that we may or may not need a variance to have two of them schedule one but got entrances have multiple wall signs so long as they don't see the overall allowable sare
footage to we have testimony that these two signs will be within the maximum square footage of 80 square feet in the aggregate so I think we avoid that variance but we do need one and only one variance to have the um the sign on the upper portion of the building your ordinance says it's got to be within What's called the signable area signable areas defined to be below the height of the Second Story windows and as you can see we're between the Second Story
windows so a little bit too high up on the building all that VAR Rel as I said we'll have Mr scol the architect some testimony but in thinking about U things that are important planning type considerations for a board uh it occurred to me that we have kind of a big large empty space on the second floor there between those windows and the sign kind of nicely fills that it creates a little bit of visual interest
and the other thing is um you might not know this because planning board decided the prior application but the nature of the use involves bringing um some folks with special needs to the property it's um it's got like a training kitchen training Cafe um to my mind it makes sense to have a little bit more of a prominent sign there maybe having folks coming um have special needs they might not be driving themselves they may be relying on a family member here or there
for ride or or some sort of public transport or an Uber uh and it just it's kind of a little bit more prominent for those folks that pulling down White Street or parking in your White Street lot so hear more more about that from uh from Mr scalise but uh without further Ado let's get him sworn and give you some Tes sure good evening good to see you say your name and business address for the recordio yeah I'll to the mic please
anio scal my office is in Red Bank at 62 M Street and it's s c a l i SE yes sir perfect uh if you could just raise your right hand do you swear that the information and testimony you're about to provide would be the truth the best your knowledge to help you God yes and you're testifying in Your Capacity as a licensed architect yes sir and licenses and certifications are current and up to date and all that good stuff thank you I should say will the board accept
Mr scalise as a expert in the field of architecture just give us his background a little bit sure um I graduated from uh NJIT um I'm in business and licensed 20 years I had the pleasure of being before this board few years ago I don't remember when but it was maybe five years ago or more um I've been all over the state of New Jersey I'm licensed in PA um and I'm the chairman of the planning board in my town of West
okay right Mr are you familiar with the site in question as well as the buau of ordinance with respect to signage yes sir um really quickly um we have A6 in front of the um the members of the board it's a night of it's being sprung on them um I just want you to to kind of quickly highlight the one or two Chang
changes so that they can understand what's different about what they're now seeing compared to the submission my general understanding is it's the logo in the sign on the second floor which used to be robot guy and is now a cup of coffee with a gear in it um a little bit of difference on the fenestration on the lower left and then the location of the blade sign it's moved
like centrally located to the right hand side of the facade yes is that accurate yes okay great any other changes of which you're aware other than those things no okay um would you uh just briefly describe for the board the existing conditions on this sure um so the building is a pretty plain building it's located on the north side of White Street uh it is direct directly across from the burrow White Street parking lot it was form norly hobby Masters which I
had the pleasure of going and buying materials there back the mic a little bit closer please sorry I'm used to yelling so um and uh so it's the former hobby Masters and toy Master site um and your planning board previously reviewed and approved the site plan change of use and parking variants application uh and the end user allowed Robo Cafe and inclusion Pathways to occupy the existing building um at 28 uh
seat Cafe makers and gaming space and training kitchen accessory retail on the first floor uh and administrative offices and Conference space on the second floor the con effectively vocational training and socialization opportunities for those special needs um the interior fit outs on the way uh in the meantime the front facade in what the question was is pretty spart it's a very plain um kind of off-white uh color
building um you could see that on on the the north side which faces white street we have two windows that flank kind of bookend the space and if you look in between not the the sign not withstanding there's a a large blank space on the property I mean on the building excuse me um we're looking to add some material and create some interest there's a an aluminum band that will most likely be a dark
that there's a band there now which I think was like a light band but this is going to become a solid band across kind of what was there before um there's the doors that are here now that we're going to create a nice horizontal aluminum wood look material sorry see yeah I have which is along the bottom here and then we're that's going to be a rain screen system uh so basically the building is a
uh let's say masonry there or that here we're going to build off of that to create this uh wood look and then below the the that wood material we're going to be painting this black uh below so we're creating a little bit of Interest the so one of the issues that came up was the uh the sign uh which is build and Brew which is here on the
facade your ordinance talks about having the side start we considered the window line of the second floor but as you could see it's not really practical uh the way this is set up here and for interest uh aesthetic purposes trying to fill this Gap obviously we're raising it slightly we don't want to go too high we have three gooseneck lights that we're using here and we're trying to fill that sign in this space to create uh a better
aesthetic value I think if it's any lower it starts to compete with the horizontal band and I don't think would look good um and I mentioned that there was a single variance of which we're aware having to do with the height of the upper sign is that accurate there is and I just mentioned it that typically you want to start below the the window of the upper level but again for aesthetic purposes I think it's for it to be
raised um and it kind of fills that void and I think creates a nice uh element for the middle there um just for purposes of clarity um none of these signs are proposed to be intern internally illuminated all is that correct that is correct yes so you have like goose neck type fixtures on the upper one is that yes so the the only sign the only sign that is proposed uh to have lighting would be the buildin Brew on the building but it's light it's
lit through the new neck lights the signs Below have no lighting um I failed to mention one other thing to the board as I'm trying to do the magic eye and compare what was submitted with once now them I'm going to call everyone's attention to the glass on the first floor and you can see that there's some text now fixed to the glass so I don't know that the text is final per se but the has
indicated they'd like to do some text on the window representative example of the types of things that they're offering like that um I looked at your ordinance my general understanding is if you're allowed to have window signage um exempt for any approval by this board or any other board uh so long as that doesn't exceed 20% so my my applicant is telling me that there's some proposal Sak or molder
shape that but the representation to this board is that would not in any event exceed 20% threshold there so that that's something that could be approved by Shauna outside of your pervie but it's just just make sure you're aware I'm sorry not exceed the 20% threshold for window sign or window coverage got it and specifically he mentioned to me that um in the satellite window of the
doors on the right hand side right hand side of the building that he envisioned possibly putting the buildin Brew with the logo just above those doors so long as the overall coverage didn't exceed the 20% and Mr SC would you just um would you walk me through the Advan groups here I mean I mentioned aesthetic and sort of eating in vocation back balance
that against any potential detriment you see of locating the sign between the windows as opposed to sure um so so architecturally um we believe that the location of the sign between the two windows is provides the best aesthetic benefit that we can see and it outweighs any detriment to the intg of the ordinance
um and again I don't think we really want it to be in conflict of this horizontal band um the building is somewhat unique it's a flat facade it is very uh just plain if you will um there's not much architectural detail so the hope is that you know what would be considered let's say a building you kind of some color elements nothing crazy but just to give some architectural detail um
we believe the location sign between the windows provides visual interest and again it fills that otherwise the void uh additionally because the use will be routinely uh the use will routinely bring those with special need to the site we believe that the prominence of the sign so being slightly higher uh creates a general warfare and safety issue it's very easy to see it it'll be easily recognizable from a distance from the parking lot potenti which is a
benefit um because the site is located directly across the street from parking we do believe there will have you know any there will be no such uh substantial detriment to the public good or subsequently impair the intent or the purpose of the Zone I mean I think we feel that it's kind of for the intent of this specifically I think we meet the intented purpose of the Zone plan and Zoning areas something that uh occurred to me
as I was uh getting ready this evening is being situated across from White Street Lot the buildings a little bit different than most because you could see this building much further away than you can see most of our buildings in the downtown even when you're on Broad Street which by definition is wider you're never going to be as far as you could be away from this building when you're parked you know three rows back in White Street on the Dublin House side you know so it does you know if you're
trying to attract people to the site get them there safely efficiently you got a broader field of view and maybe ad dictate something be a little bit higher I got a question what color is the second floor fa Sun are you gonna paint that a certain color or is it yeah I think it's this is kind of the the slight intent of the color probably invol white here as we're showing
okay any other questions for um yeah will the signs be this green color that you're showing or is that just I think this is yes I think that's thank you I think your ordinance allows you the white plus three colors so we're with it and for the record the illumination on the sign is not going to
be 24 hours a day it's going to be turned off from what I remembered yeah Vince I believe uh Shauna's review memo suggested that it would be closed or turned off from 10 to seven seven seven so I guess that was the question I guess that's the question then
yeah the applicant says that's a reason condition appr and Mr chairman if I could and I'm I'm a little um color color blind what what color is this the sign is this blue teal typ yes thank you again this is a print out of a rendering so don't
take it to heart you know once you have the true colors it may be slightly different but I think it's not gonna be red though sorry not gonna be red it's gonna be in the blue no no we're not that's right yes it's not gonna be okay any other questions I just have a question for shaa they mentioned they've change the logo once already if they want to change the logo again would they need to come for another approval
no if it's a part of their marketing like it's a it's Unique to their um company no you have a provision on it that says you can change the logo as long as it doesn't change it size I I do have a question sh also on the uh 20% of the glass is that done by Pain by con consecutive window
panels as far as coverage the ordinance is silent on how to really like measure it um the way how I've always interpreted is by the the cutout individual pain yeah okay so that means that 20% of the other signs you can put that amount of space somewhere along the windows in different configurations sorry
what what's the question yeah the 20% you're allowed to put signs in the windows if they're 20% of larger signs no 20% of the window itself for the window yeah Mr scalise um it looks to me like if you even if you move down the builds and brew as low as you could you'd still be in the window line a little bit I mean either way it be hard to get
under the windows sorry again it be hard to get under the windows and at that size with that sign yes and and I don't think yes that's the issue and I just don't think it would look good if you pushed it down it kind of feels right with this particular condition because of the the blank space that's here you think it would look like a mouth and a nose two eyes I think you're right um Mr I was looking back at old old photos hobby Masters and Masters had and they
actually had like the text here and here and it might have looked okay when they had the big mural up here which was like interesting but once that got repainted white and those letters were just there and there looked pretty darn boring and then real quick just so that you know um what the applicant was was proposing in terms of additional um logo or cover on the glass he likes the idea
of this logo somewhere in thisty so if it's 20% on that pain of glass as opposed to the entirety of the glass he might be somewhat constrained he'd have to toy with it but but that's what he's thinking any other questions from the board the fit out GNA start well they I think they're rapidly working on now this is just necessary so that they can
polish it off into the exterior okay any questions from the public for either of these gentlemen close the public portion Mr chairman if the uh board members were inclined to approve it some of the conditions um would be compliance with the commitments and promise and representations the team made tonight compliance with any for housing uh
requirements directive payments if applicable compliance with Shauna's memo out outside approvals and Shauna do I just say the um sign lighting complies with the ordinance no okay and uh the sign turned off uh from 10 p.m. to 7: am. each uh day and Sean I read something it said sign not internally or externally illuminated right okay and then one of them exter one of them is
externally that's the larger sign one is externally illuminated and okay and got it and then sh your memo had said something about and I didn't know what this was compliance with chapter 11 of building and housing is that anything uniform code okay UCC getting all permits and um do I need to say anything about the the the three colors or what they have just comply it
complies okay and then we obviously John it's a stationary sign it's not interchangeable copy or anything like that and we had um um Sean is there anything we don't have to have them they're not violating any of their planning board approvals right I don't want Mark getting all mad at me and uh let's see um not exceeding
the 20% threshold and I think that was it so if that's acceptable to the board John are you okay with those conditions yes we okay and uh I guess the condition to provide a final um copy of the plan of what um including the um window signs to my
office anybody like make a motion to approve or deny this application I'll make a motion to approve it a second Anna put St in it that she's an's alternate all oh
our to our friend Anna um second all right yes Ray Mass yes e Hogan yes Beno yes Lee Yes Vince yes and Paula kagna yes thank you all good luck
one correction on the minut was not here for the um January 2 minute so I um need a second for that I'll second that oh no I can't I wasn't there you was here I was motion a
all in favor