thank you good evening good evening and welcome to the city of Rivier council meeting February 24th 2025 could everyone stand to salute the flag I pledge alance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
Republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all Madam clerk please roll call the members roll call of the members councelor agenzio here here councel cogliandro here here councelor janino
here here councelor greo SAA here here councelor H here here councelor hero here here Council Kelly here here councel McKenna here here councel nelski here here councel zambuto here here and council president sylvestri here here
Quorum is present approval of the Journal of the regular meeting of February 3rd um Madame clerk if we could please suspend the rules to bring up um the Zoning for the the Caruso parking
structure suspension of rules all in favor all opposed so ordered under suspension of rules the city council is taking up the zoning subcommittee report councelor
aeno ah Zeno sorry uh thank you Mr President um as everybody knows we uh just met in the zoning subcommittee to uh go over the special permit uh 25-16 uh the committee voted favorably
and I would ask for a roll call could I just ask one question Mr President go right ahead councelor thank you um I just want to clarify that I'm not quite certain how many businesses are actually operating there under the Caruso construction umbrella
will they all be out of operation when this um park and fly garage um opens that's my only question if someone could answer that thank you counselor uh Mr President I I can answer to a point but uh the reason I supported
it is because it eliminates the biggest and most offensive use uh uh I'm not sure I'm someone understand but I don't know if that answers the council's question it doesn't but thank you uh thank you uh so the all the uh
current businesses on the site would be eliminated and the only uh business would be the uh proposed commercial parking structure okay thank you permission to speak from the chair thank you um so I I actually am in
favor of this project and and for one main reason I I think it gives us the basis of the start of a Redevelopment of Squire Road having that parking structure in there that can park cars um it's probably not too many public knowledge but we have students right now
from the development of Harvard University in the city and they're looking over Squire Road and coming up with ideas and just having that structure built in that spot is is perfect for that um the the the structure in the project moving forward
so that's why I'm in favor and I just wanted to to add that if we could roll call the members Mr President can I thank you for the leeway could we just I'm not I'm not would there be cause to have that as a condition on the special permit just to make sure that all the other business businesses will be out of
business by the time this um park and fly is in operation again to reiterate there will be nothing operating on this parcel other than this structure once the structure is up and operating so that we're clear about that listen High
parcel will that be in the special permit somewhere in writing I'm not sure you could as a condition I um you you're asking for a condition
that a construction site and a parking and that an automotive repair shop not operate where a building is going to go so I I think there I guess my point is that mutually exclusive if we have a building on the lot you're not going to have any other use there so I I don't
know really how to do that I think that's what the special permit is for so it's not for a mixed use of commercial um and the prizes the special permit is only for the park and fly right but if that's taking up all of the land that's
there then I can understand that it is it is it is yeah and it's attached as an exhibit yeah thank you counselor y I just wanted clarification yep thank you thank you counselor and thank you counselor Madame clerk can we roll call the
members shall the city council Grant the relief requested subject to the findings and conditions of site plan review councelor agenzio yes yes councelor cogliandro yes yes councel janino yes yes councelor Gino SAA yes yes councelor
H yes yes councelor hero yes yes councelor Kelly yes yes councelor McKenna yes yes yes Council noeli yes yes Council zambuto yes yes and council president sylvestri yes yes the special permit has been granted subject to those
conditions Mr President coun while we're on suspension rules can I ask for a point of personal privilege please explain thank you um Mr President and everybody listening that's here uh this
past weekend we had a tragic loss of two young ladies they live in the city of Rivier one young lady lived in Malden and uh they were on vacation in bise and they were found in their hotel
room deceased one of the young ladies was actually my tenant that lives in my house so it really hits me close for that one the other young lady lives on Fenley
Street and it it's devastating to the family and uh there you know three Moroccan girls that were in the going into the medical field going to Salem State College and on vacation they coming home
the wrong way there were no details on what happened we don't know when they're coming home we know how they coming home not the way we want them to but we want to thank uh
Congressman congresswoman uh clar and Senator Maki for working on making things easier they have them returned and getting a flight for the three of them to come home together they went together they should be coming home
together the families again are devastated I've had hundreds and hundreds of folks coming to my house knocking on my door thinking it's their door and I have to get up all the time
and have to instruct them that they have to go upstairs very sad and I would like to make uh on their behalf uh have everybody rise for a moment of silence and remember them
and may say Mr President uh so everybody knows if they go on Facebook and I think it was on T on major news tonight of what happened but there is a GoFundMe page for all three young ladies and if anybody would like to go on the GoFundMe
page it's not going to be an easy task for the families to catch up and what it's going to cost to make all this happen so U if you go on City R r.org
has the site and my my Facebook has the site and uh I know I sent it out to my city councilors and the school committee folks uh to help remember and help the families uh Move Along thank you very much thank you councelor back to the
regular order business public hearings calendar item number three hearing called is ordered on an ordinance further amending the zoning ordinances of the city of Rivier repealing the definition and use of mechanical parking systems do we have any
proponents any proponents thaton in favor uh mechanical parking structures okay any opponents any opponents okay we'll close that side any
counselors yes Council Kelly thank you Mr President um the ordinance allowing mechanical parking stackers was adopted in 2020 and it was attended to address parking shortages creatively but it has become a loophole that undermines parking requirements developers propos
these stackers to gain initial approval for projects that do not meet parking requirements with the promise to install the stackers later yet as the Project's near completion the developers site reasons like soil conditions are cost to abandon the stackers and not install
them the zba then grants variances to development developers leaving the finished development with fewer parking spaces than even the reduced number originally promised clear examples of this are at 344 Salem Street and 791 Broadway where developers proposed
mechanical packing stackers in order to create minimum packing requirements and gain project approvals only to later request and receive Z ba approval to abandon the stackers this resulted in both of these projects having fewer spaces than even the original plans
promised but this isn't about neighborhoods demanding the stackers it's about developers exploiting the ordinance as a loophole and using the same playbook in all there have been three projects requesting stackers up front in order to gain approvals but later all three developers asked to
dodge installing the stackers and excuses like using excuses like cost and feasibility if parking promises are made they must be enforced and since we clearly see that they aren't the ordinance must be repealed to prevent further exploitation
it's a clear bait and switch tactic that reduces accountability exacerbates parking scarcity in R and prioritizes developers convenience over Community needs repealing the ordinance would close this loophole forcing developers to meet parking requirements UPF front
and stick by them with feasible and forceable plans ensuring promises made a Promises Kept lastly there's the issue of safety I've personally witnessed some City Counsel is speaking on behalf of developers at zba hearing citing that they have safety
concerns with these mechanisms which support the developers developers Arguments for not having to install them therefore this is just another reason which supports the repeal of this ordinance thank you thank you councelor Council
cogliandro thank you Mr President um I agree with a lot of what councelor Kelly just said um through you Mr President to councel Kelly did you say we only there only three projects in the city that have stackable parking right
now to my knowledge three developers requested the stackers up front but two of all three actually requested to not requested relief to not have to install them after the developments were you
know pretty much at completion so they can't reduce the number of units at that point but the number of parking spaces so the reason I does anyone know off the top of their head the number of developments that we have right now that have stackable parking in it zero
there's zero from what I ended oh there is uh was Washington Washington I'm sorry so my my opinion is that we get rid of stackable parking we need to get rid of this ordinance and I understand that this may make this
property nonconforming which you could argue that it will lower the value of the property but if we don't do this now what's the stop everybody else from doing what councelor Kelly just said in regards to getting the stackable parking coming back getting rid of the stackable parking and now we don't have parking
spaces it happened in my ward unfortunately so um I'm in favor thank you thank you councelor counc Zen buo uh thank you Mr President I don't use usually uh take a position and then go back on it but this
is one of those cases one of those rare cases and the reason is if you if you put this in effect now you have a developer that spent a ton of money got the pocket put them in
because he was denied relief from the zoning board the other the other developer got relief twice you make this property non-conforming property anybody that has pocket or stackers will be
non-conforming so it's a it's a penalty that I don't think uh I can live with so I've changed my position I used to be for eliminating stackers now I'm not and that's my main reason is because now the property becomes a non-conforming
property thank you thank you councelor councelor Gino SAA I agree with a lot of what councelor Kelly said as well um I am I am one of the counselors that is extremely against the stacker parking
and that's because I'm afraid of the electric vehicles being in there and what it would cause if residents lived above the mechanical parking stackers or next to it and God forbid a car would go up in flames and
then the fire depart really does not know how to extinguish an electrical fire that's in one of those EV Vehicles so I am against the parking stackers and I will be voting for a favorable recommendation thank you thank you
councelor Council noeli thank you Mr President Mr President uh at first I thought it was a good idea when we first voted this at the very beginning
but now that I see what's going on and what I went through personally with stackers in Boston it's definitely a big safety issue I'm not concerned about making them non-conforming or anything like that I'm concerned about the safety
primary reason say when Vehicles go in that top level and something happens forget about it I was waiting an hour and a half before they can get a mechanic
to get my car out of the Mass General Hospital and that time I had my wife in a wheelchair with oxygen was just horrible and I want to get rid of that I don't want to allow anymore in the city
if there's one here now God bless them good luck to them but I don't want to see anymore and I will be voting for this thank you thank you councelor any other counselors this would be referred to zoning calendar item number four hearing
called dis ordered on an ordinance further amending chapter 2.57 of the revised ordinances of the city of Rivier relative to the Parks and Recreation Commission proponents any proponents H hi
um Rose Burns studio in Broadway mayor's office um just asking for your support for this motion I me not this motion this um amendment to this ordinance um we put a lot of work into making sure it you know looks right it's in line with
the other ordinances that we have for other boards and commissions and we're hoping that this runs smoothly and similarly and we have also submitted the amendment for um councel haro's request to add explicitly one member of Rivier youth so that we also be included in part of it and I'm happy to answer any
questions you have thank you thank you any questions from the council any other proponents proponents proponent Claren zerillo 281 Broadway solicitor's office I just want to back up Rose and the mayor's office
they consulted with the solicitor's office on best practices for our boards and commissions uh it's hard our City's so big and it seems like we have so many boards and commissions but we do struggle to fill them some are more popular than others everybody wants to be on the zva
or the License Commission but we do struggle to fill some of these other ones so we try to air on the side of vagueness when we are creating the composition and delegating who's going to be on what board so we prefer things to be a little bit more General while
still saving space for those specifications specifications such as what council Haro requested so kind of finding that fine line between being really specific about who we want but then not having those types of folks available so this ordinance before you and the Amendments from the mayor's
office represent kind of a good balance between what we want the board and commission to be versus what we know in practice we end up with for our boards and commissions because most of them are volunteer spots so keep that in mind thank you CA any other
proponents Michael Tucker 9 Elon Street I think this is very well written and I'm in favor thank you thank you Mr Tucker any other proponents proponents closing that side opponents anyone
against is no this is about um the recreation park and recreation board the youth board for recreation department uh no Mr Mr chair Mr President um yes Council by understand the ordinance does
uh add the director to the parks and rec commission so is that what you're asking about yeah are you a proponent or an opponent add so um I'm not totally against it
name and address please Mary G Washington AIA thank you um what I wanted to know because what I read about about is it a new new position no it's so it's it's what this is doing is is creating a youth in adult
board for our rec department what the language is stating is that the director who's the director now will be part of that board okay so it's not a new position it's not a new position not a new no we're not getting a new director we're not okay right
that's what I want to know because we have a very expensive High School coming thank you thank you could you just shut the mic please sure thank you do I press it please I don't thank you very much um any
councilors city councilors council her um yeah no really appreciate the work of uh the mayor's office on this and uh look forward to for the look forward to the seeing the council um voted and support of this
thank you and this will go to legislative affairs calendar item number five hearing called dis ordered on a zoning ordinance further amending accessory dwelling unit regulations in the city of Riv proponents Tom good evening councelors
Tom scosi 281 Broadway chief of planning Community Development um as indicated in the letter that I submitted along with these zoning changes in January um in August of 2024 um Governor Healey signed the affordable homes Act act and one of the
things the affordable homes act did was create a requirement that all municipalities allow accessory dwelling units or adus some people might know them as in-laws uh units or granny flats or so on and so forth um they all must
be allowed by right uh in single family zones throughout the Commonwealth um and so what we are trying to do with this amendment is to make sure that our local ordinance is aligned with this new state regulation that requires us to allow
adus to be permitted by right in single family zones um it also prohibits us from unreasonably regulating adus um and that includes um imposing restrictions on owner occupancy requirements for the principal dwelling um that includes
restrictions related to parking if it's within a half mile of a transit station that includes restrictions on size um and restrictions on we whether it can be a detached unit or actually has to be attached within the building um to make
a long story short the state regulations require that we treat an Adu from a dimensional standpoint from a youth standpoint the same as a single family home in that same district would be treated um one thing it does allow us to do in terms of prohibitions it it does
allow us to continue to have prohibitions on short-term rentals so even though we're um mandated to allow accessory dwelling units by right we're not required to do so um for the purpose of uh short-term rentals so this law
went into effect February 2nd unlike the MBTA communities which I know some of you were working with us on a few years back that created a hard and fast compliance deadline if we didn't comply we got fined we we had grant funding withheld from us so on and so forth this
isn't a hard and fast deadline in that same resp um what this is basically as of February 2nd our local ordinance became Obsolete and it's superseded by this new state regulation so um our Building
Commissioner and building inspectors are prepared and understand how to um regulate adus based off of these state regulations but we wanted to wait a little bit of time to make sure we had some guidance from the state as to what the final regulations would look like
when I submitted this January 22nd we still didn't know what the final regulations would be um and and secondly I noted in my letter that um there will be a model Adu bylaw that would come out from the state um so since I submitted that letter one of those two things did
happen the state released their final regulations that went public as of January 30th um that will require a few changes as to what you all are looking at this evening uh most importantly they classified a bus stop as a transit
station um before there was some ambiguity about that and what that essentially means is anywhere within a half mile of a bus stop we cannot require parking for an Adu and effectively that means almost all the city um so that's one major
change that we need to tweak a second is this is actually one that is in our favor um the way the law was written originally it seemed to suggest that we would need to allow additional accessory dwelling units on the same lot to be allowed by special permit the new
regulations clarify that that could just be an option we could opt into or opt out of I think in our case we would opt out of that we would want just one Adu per per lot and then the third is a little bit more controversial and this is why we didn't put it in the law until
we knew clearly that this was what the state intended to do um but adus will be allowed on any structure um so not just a single family home so this could be an apartment building as well as long as it's within a single family zone adus
are permitted by right um so we're going to need to tweak that um those three components to conform with the state regulations um we have not yet done that and and what you have in front of you does not reflect those changes as of January 30th and that's because we want
to wait until the model bylaw comes through from the state just to make sure that we're dotting our eyes and crossing our tees and we're only making these changes once um there is still some ambiguity as to dimensional standards
for adus design standards because it says we can't unreasonably regulate but it isn't super clear about what we can do that would be considered reasonable um and it also is a little bit uh there's a little bit of ambiguity about
non-conforming Lots as well so long story short we put an initial Amendment together that's in front of you tonight we'll be making some tweaks based off of the regulations that we have as of January 30th we'll be making some more once we have that final bylaw um the
model bylaw from the state which we anticipate receiving in another week or two so I would suggest um that whether or not this public hearing is closed when it gets referred to zoning subcommittee which I imagine it will we we perhaps might want to waake a few
more weeks to make sure that model bylaw is out and and live so we can make sure that our ordance aligns well with that and what those expectations are because I don't want to come back in front of the council uh in a few months asking to change it again to make sure we're doing it the right way so at that happy to
take any questions if you have them thank you Tom Council I have thanks Mr President Tom thanks so much any any other proponents no good call any other proponents opponents
anyone against opposed are you opposed I do have issues I have a few questions if I could ask um a couple of things I wanted to know about can you lower the microphone oh you can't hear me I'm sorry is that better yeah thank
you um I had a few things I wanted to mention and a few things I wanted to ask about um as far as parking I see that it has to do with they have MBTA nearby that you know they don't feel it would be an
issue um but I want to remind everyone that everyone has visitors everyone has a visitor once in a while um and I am hearing so much from many people around the city how they
can't find a spot near their house or in front of their house there's so many people parking all the time we've overbuilt that's what I'm saying on that the other thing is the heat pumps and I don't know if they'll use heat pumps but I have two next door to me now in the
last few months they're horrible they're noisy near my bedroom they're terrible so I it it's really not fun um and um
the uh question you know I wanted to mention too um you know I know that they it's stated that single parents seniors families of grown children it's not necessarily someone's family who's moving into these it could be someone
renting you know whatever the thing is I think that a lot I just want people to remember that though we want to help people and I understand not everyone can live and rever we have overbuilt for a couple of years now the
schools the high schools won't even have enough room by the time it's built to support these people we're running out of doctors and nurses in the state we have an we really have an
overpopulation problem in R there's too many people there's not enough I mean I have a friend I have friends who don't have a primary care doctor and cannot find one so we're not helping those problems by creating more living space
yes I want people to live but there's a whole big country out there and not everyone can come to rever we just can't I mean we're overcrowded the the streets are so overcrowded you can't go anywhere you
can't get out of your driveway no it's true I'm sorry you don't feel I understand but you you have 30 more seconds ma'am okay um I wanted to ask it's it mentions bedroom kitchen and bathroom
room how many bedrooms are these um sorry sir how many bedrooms are they allowed to put in please so I I don't believe we're allowed to restrict the number of bedrooms per se where the Restriction comes in is you can restrict half of the
gross square footage of the principal dwelling unit or 900 square ft whichever is less so for all intents and purposes it wouldn't be bigger than 900 square ft and then you'd have to back into what a reasonable bedroom size would be given building code requirements and so forth
so probably reasonably nothing would be bigger than two bedrooms we don't know that for sure though we don't know that for sure nor can we Tom is this is this a state regulation it is um the question was that we have to have them built or if somebody applies
we have to have them built and it's a second so our local ordinance as it stands today is obsolete the state's rules that say we need to allow this by right um currently apply so if anyone were to apply to build an accessory dwelling unit currently in the city we
couldn't look at our local regulations we'd have to look at the state which um those regulations State we have to allow by right in any single family zoning District which is any District where single family homes are allowed by right in the city which is AFF effectively almost all the city um so we would be
required to allow it to be built but you still need to meet building code fire code all the other code requirements so you couldn't you know in a 900 foot building put five bedrooms in because that wouldn't comply to code once you put all the square footage together with all the other requirements of bathrooms
and kitchens and so forth so um you can't just do whatever you want you have to follow a series of other regulations zoning just can't be one of those impediments thank you I'll just end with this there again I want you to realize school
children parking is a big problem Miss glind I I appreciate your point but also want to make it clear that we we really this Council really don't have a say in this matter no I understand that I understand it but it it just that um you
know everything has to work together whatever we do here affects a lot of other things people don't realize it but it does yep I know that it's it's some kind of thing in the programs but it's it's it doesn't work for
everyone and I think people want to enjoy their backyards without everyone encroaching thank you thank you any other opponents opponents question Mr President Ed Terell 70 schol Street R Mass um will
these units be allowed to be an Airbnb no they will not be allowed to be short-term rentals okay I mean we have really no say over this but the issue of overdevelopment needs to really be
addressed in 2006 2007 the council had three or four opportunities to look at the disadvantages of overdevelopment and the council declined I really encourage the council to revisit that the quality of life of
our residents is going right down the hill now I understand that the city gets $3 to $6,000 per new unit but is that is negligible compared to the the cost of our infrastructure Dr Kelly has already
testified that our schools are overcrowded when does it end I really encourage the council to step up this is an election year the council is very unpopular I'm sad to say you're all my friends but you're very very
unpopular and a lot of you may be voted out I'm sorry the council that's why we take these positions the council really needs to step up do more I'm sorry thank you Mr
Terrell any other opponents anyone else opposed councilors Council H thank you Mr President Tom thanks so much for that um I had a quick question so I know you repeated that the
city has to wait to see what the model bylaw from the state says yeah we don't have to but we're choosing to just so we're making sure we're aligned with the state okay so what's the timeline say someone puts in a they want to put in an Adu in their backyard next week can they
just start can they just start going to work or do they have to clear it with the city do we have any say in that so it's a bit of a gray area right now but traditionally with um with the zoning matter when a public hearing has been noticed from the
point of that notice until and I'm sure the the clerk will um correct me if I'm wrong here but from the point in which that's noticed to when a decision is made on that zoning there is technically a zoning freeze where and that is what the Building Commissioner is saying to
folks I don't think anyone's coming to uh him right now with their hair on fire saying they need to build an U now but we're just saying let's wait till let this play out until our zoning decisions made here and from what I read the most popular aspects of this is someone maybe
redoing a garage for a space for your mother-in-law or um a cousin or something like that making a space that they can maybe you build something in your backyard a kind of like a tiny home type thing I think the most prevalent would
would likely be building within the existing structure um and or a garage those would be the two and so what are the benefits that you see um you wouldn't have to focus on the cost of new housing I mean it could
be just a thing for families to take on even though I'm worried that it might not be family members might be just people jacking up the rents you know on the adus and just renting those out you know right I mean I I'd heard somebody reference nurses and doctors and that we
don't have enough my sister was a nurse just to make it personal for a second who worked at Boston Children's um in a few different cases and um she was a traveling nurse that came here from time to time over the last two years and she won't come to Boston again because she can't afford to find a place to live and
um she's she has gone all over the country but in the meantime we still have medical needs that we need PE professionals to take care of so I do think there is a real housing crisis here that we do need to provide for I think it does have an additional benefit for owner occupants to make their
housing more affordable and again if if if and when I get an opportunity to buy a single family home I'll be thinking of an Adu as an opportunity to supplement my income and afford the home thank you thank you councelor councelor aeno
thank you Mr chairman uh Mr scosi so just clarify for me adus originally were just for single family homes so now any if you have a twoam home a three family home you can
now add an Adu to that theoretically yes you would need to from a dimensional standpoint still conform to the dimensional requirements of a single family home okay and so now if you were to create a detached one you would still have to meet all kinds of setbacks from
reard side Yad it would be functionally very difficult to build an Adu that's detached in the city of Riv unless you were perhaps building in a garage that would be a pre-existing non-conforming structure okay and I I know in the
original ordinance it said that this was a way for families to make some extra income and then further down it said that they're not to be used for commercial purposes is is that still the how does that are you speaking of our
ordinance our local one these are the types of changes we would need to make um because yeah so somebody could theoretically have an Adu and not put their family in it but just rent it out to anyone they so chose correct all
right thank you very much thank you counselor councelor greos thank you Mr President Tom I have a quick question I know this is going to be mandated by the state and everything do they still have to go in front of
conservation for examp example in the point Pines Riverside area that we are in a flood zone and if say I couldn't add an addition to my house because I'm in a flood zone and you can't you can't
put an addition in would an Adu be able to be stopped in those types of areas the best way to think of it is what a reasonable regulation is meant to be under under this new rule is anything
that would prohibit you from making these same changes to a single family home you would be prohibited from doing um with an Adu so yeah if you're expanding in the 100e flood plane you would still need to go in front of kcom and um if you need any additional
variances above and beyond uh what you're um submitting for the Adu you would still you know perhaps need to go to the zba in some instances um and building code fire code all those other things so could be stopped at one of those levels yes one of those levels
yep thank you counselor Council McKenna thank you Mr President uh Tom thank you for doing all this work I just I'm so against this I really am I have been from the beginning I've been here for 10 years I've been sitting in the same spot
I fought for um parking I fought for um no structures um garages or any other um buildings outside of a uh family house
being developed into a uh an apartment I just I just I know it's mandated by the state but it's just all the work that we've done in this in this Council for 10 years is just going out the window it
it really is I mean we don't have a say it's ridiculous we've worked so hard I've worked so hard in Beachmont to get every single Street on in Beachmont permit parking and that's going to be taken away and and the reason and the reason
why I've done that is because people come from Swampscott and they park in front of Johnny's house that lives on Crescent Dev for nine hours and that's all going to be taken away um structures that we just uh uh councelor calandro
and I two years AG go we tackled uh someone wanted to build uh an apartment building outside of their uh in it was a a garage they wanted to make a an apartment we voted it down we've been doing this for 10 I've been doing this
for 10 years and it's just going to go out the window so all this work that we've done in this Council it's it's ridiculous and then and I have a uh uh illegal housing uh apartment next to
me it's a single family house so he can come in if he wants to he's got 30 people living there and every single he's got nine bedrooms he's got 30 people so now he can come in and put an Adu on it and make it bigger I it's just
it doesn't sit well with me it hasn't from the beginning I voted for it just to you said you know everything that you were going to change it was coming in front of the council and we had a a say on it I'm just not happy with this whole thing I'm just not and I do believe the
woman I don't know her name but she's she's right R is overcrowded the quality of we're losing our quality of life um traffic is ridiculous and and yes we have to think about the schools so I
don't know I don't know where you're going to how you're going to get me on board with this because I'm not on board I haven't been on board since the beginning so thank you thank you councelor councilor zambuto uh thank you Mr President uh I I don't think it's a
secret that uh I'm not for I'm not in favor of any of these State mandates but uh aside from that I was told that you could not have an Adu in a flood plane Am I Wrong was that bad information that came from someone that should know
zoning better than anybody else I would have to clarify that before um it goes to subcommittee so I I think it might depend on the type of Adu we're talking about and where it's located with regard
to the flood plan I was flat out told that an ad Adu could not be in a flood zone in fact the person that was telling me this was advocating for it to be in a flood zone so that's why I'm bringing it up but i' ask you to check into that
thank you for flagging that thank you thank you councelor councilor cogliandro thank you Mr President we're in a lot of trouble with this yeah and I know it's not your fault it's not our fault um I'm very worried I have I have a
9,000 foot lot that my house sits on the last thing I want to do is build an Adu there I want my privacy but I just if someone has a lot like mine you could potentially fit two two of those on there and uh I do agree that
uh let me ask you something this this is a law that applies to every city in this state correct correct so I and and I always I always disagreed with them doing this because R is not the same as ipswitch
Rivier is not the same as Wister so for them to create a law that affects us the same as it would affect somebody else is unfair in my opinion now my question to you is is there anything as a council that we can do to combat this or are we
so well I would say one thing we can do is we can prohibit more than 18 ad0 you on a lot which I think is not in the original regul regulations that I submitted to the council but is
something we could tweak given what was approved January 30th made clear we're allowed to do that so that's one very simple thing we can do if stuck with this I would be 100% voting in favor of limiting it to one the other thing is it was mentioned that people aren't moving
here because they can't afford to are we going to be controlling the cost of rent in these adus so that people can afford to live here or is it going to be the same pricing as the astronomical rent prices that we're seeing
now we could perhaps make that decision I don't know how that would conform with the state requirements what I will say is not all housing is equal right um and it's part of what we talked about in the housing production plan although again I mentioned everything would go in front of you for an approval this wasn't in
the production plan because this was outside of our control but one thing I do believe is you know whether it's with adus or two families or three fam some types of housing is just going to be cheaper than that more amenity Rich the things that are really jacking up the rents frankly in Riv are large apartment
complexes with a lot of amenities built within uh um and that's not necessarily the case here so I think it would be cheaper than your average rent in something like that just by virtue of what it has to offer versus what it doesn't the problem is that people are coming here and paying these rents and
that's why people keep charging the amounts it's it's crazy but I guess the real answer is we're not going to be controlling the amount of rent so is building these in in a sense uh for the reason being that we want people to come here and live here if they can't afford to live here now then these aren't going
to be these units aren't going to be any different in my opinion so I just wish there was some way we could fight this because this re again Rivier is not the same as every other city in this state thank Tom I know this your hands are tied as well to an extent so thank
you thank you councelor Council Kelly thank you Mr President so I just want to go on record as well saying I could not be more opposed to this in every sense um we adopted an a du ordinance a few years
back correct um it was much more prohibited um it had to be owner occupied single families things like that um I wasn't 100% on board with that but it was much better than this is this is just so
heavy-handed that this is just being really just shoved down our throats with with saying that there's nothing that we can do about it I would strongly be in favor um of trying to explore ways to to challenge this I know that the MBTA communities law had
um CH you know had um sanctions there if you didn't go along with it with um grant money being withheld and things like that and still there were some communities that did not go along with it and challenged it this doesn't have that attached to it it
doesn't have those sanctions attached to it so I would seriously like us to try to consider challenging this um would you said that this would not just apply to single family homes would this apply to town homes even a town home could have an Adu theoretically yes but they would
need to conform with dimensional and design standards of our zoning ordinance as well and just to follow up on that conservation and in flood zones and things like that I could maybe understand that situation if we're talking about a separate structure being built or added on or something like that to a main structure but if you have a
single family home or a two- family home that has a finished basement per se and you want to turn that finished basement into an Adu in order to collect a rent um and you happen to be in a flood zone if that's already a finished basement you there would be nothing stopping you
from doing that correct as long as you as long as you adhere to the building code and building code will prohibit it because it's below the I mean I'm assuming in this case it would be below the flood plane and below the base flood elevation it was already finished space But as a dwelling unit for people to
live in it would be prohibited per the code so that that I can pretty definitively say I can't speak more generally of of all projects within the flood plane okay um and I and and when this was pitched to us originally it was
definitely pitched to us in a way that this was for owner occupant so that if it was an elderly person or a senior citizen it would be a way to help them stay in their home because they would be able to maybe have this a Adu unit without having to go through the expense of formally converting the property into
a legal a two family home and it might that that extra income might help them stay in their home longer and things like that so I think that premise was reasonable and and made some common sense there um this just doesn't once again I don't see any common sense or
reasonableness to this at all and um I would be in favor in trying to explore a way that we challenge this as it's too heavy-handed thank you thank you counselors any other counselors permission to speak from the
chair thank you Tom um just a a few questions um I I I remember just I don't know five or six years ago we were going around making everyone rip out their inlaw Apartments so they had to remove all their down in their
basement um I get everyone's concerns are there any penalties if we don't go for this if if we just say we're we're not going to adopt this and the is the state throwing any penalties at us are they are they threatening
anything so I think the penalties would be more um if a an applicant was denied um a the right to to build an Adu on their property um we would potentially
be liable for I guess civil action or um would would be very busy in land Court I I would assume the city solicitor's office would spend a lot of time working on such concerns and I'm I'm sure many communities are going to be going through the same issue but it's not unlike many other things that are
currently protected by the do Amendment um in 40a and once that protection is is in there it can be a very costly legal battle to fight against applicants that are um by the law entitled to something
um that 4A would state they are as as a do Amendment exception okay um so I I mean the the the one way to do this is is for us really to to work our
legislators at the State House they're kind of the the ones that can make amendments to this right yes I I think they would have to create an yeah it would it would be a complicated process but I I think that would be your best bet okay thank
you any other counselors yes I just have one more question uh Mr scosi so they still have to meet building code so I I know uh councilor sestry said that we had made people rip out their in low Apartments you still need two means of egress the
windows have to be a certain size for firefighters to get through that all those codes would still be in place absolutely okay all right thank you thank you counselor any other counselors okay this will be referred to
zoning calendar item number six hearing called is ordered on a loan order for water system improvements and MW lead replacement project in the amount of $1,875 th000 can we have proponents Mr
viske good evening everybody Richard Vis CFO 281 Broadway I'm here in uh support of this loan order this uh important loan order will help the city remove lead Services uh throughout the entire city it's a
program that's run through the MW ra it is a zero interest loan with up to 25% of it becoming forgivable uh un eligible uh projects within the lead Service uh replacement um I'll defer it to the water and so Department with the details
of it but um uh zero interest only what up to 25% um forgiveness is something I strongly support thank you thank you name and address please Anthony gizia assistant superintendent 319
charger Street just wanted to reiterate the work that we completed last year to remove as much lead as possible from the city of river and our goal to be lead free we started with
1,159 unknown Services we've gotten that number down to 578 we also started with 743 lead services and we've gotten that number down to 445 um where it's our mission to do this
as quickly as possible to get the lead out of the city and minimize the impact to the roads the trenches that we have to do we put a lot of resources to our DPW our our man-hour that we used last year to meet these deadlines and this
grant would really help us expedite this process and get all the lead out of the city thank you any other proponents proponents closing that side opponents anyone
opposed hearing none city councilors council McKenna thank you Mr President uh I was one of those houses my house was built n 18464 I'm sorry and I was one of those
houses that had led in their uh lead leaders in their water and they did come in take it out it was a long process because I live up on a hill but they did a great job and I think that I feel safe now I think uh drinking the water so um
I think this is great it's a great uh program so I'm in favor of it thank you thank you conselor councelor agenzio thank you I have a question for Mr gizer thank you the project you're working on now is this the lead from the shut off
out to the street it's not into private homes or yeah no interior Plumbing it concerns from the main to the curb stop okay and then the curb stop as well to the meter to the meter so now and this is no cost
to the residents yes if we come across a lead line it'll be fully replaced at no cost to the homeowner or resident okay what happens if like you run into Landscaping it's it's under stairs you have to take a wall down on private
property what happens with that it's a good question um okay the contractor that we've used thus far and when we put this out to bid the the intention is that everything's restored to the way that they found it and no cost to the homeowner no cost to the homeowner thank
you very much thank you counselor councelor G Rua thank you Mr President you slashed both our names together I just want to say thank you
you've done an amazing job over the last year um changing all the pipes and stuff it it it's it's really um it's beneficial to every all the residents of the city of Rivier and the fact that our drinking water is actually drink
is amazing cuz a lot of cities can't say that so thank you for all the work you the MW and our head Chris charmela has done for the city I appreciate you thank you thank you thank you counselor any of the
counselors okay thank you hey um we certain proponents right we're actually on City counselors oh snap okay sorry I SED away for the bathroom real quick and then came back
um well anyways ju 70 low street I'm here to be in uh uh support of this uh you know unfortunately I have uh family members that work at the MW so I won't be speaking from from the Council seat but just in support and really grateful
to the DPW the MW for all the work that they do um and I hope this passes thank you councel okay we have two separate roll calls Madame clerk first is for the resolution shall the city
council approve a re resolution relative to the MW LED replacement project councelor agenzio yes yes councelor cogliandro yes yes councel janino yes yes councel greo SAA yes yes councelor H yes yes councelor hero is recorded as
recused councelor Kelly yes yes councilor McKenna yes yes Council noeli yes yes Council zambuto yes yes and council president sylvestri yes yes the MW resolution has been approved and shall the city council approve a loan order in the amount of
$1,875 th000 for the MW lead replacement project councel agenzio yes yes councelor C Leandro yes yes councel janino yes yes councelor greo SAA yes yes councelor H yes yes and um
sorry councelor hero is recused councel Kelly yes yes councel McKenna yes yes councel noeli yes yes councel zambuto yes yes and council president sylvestri yes yes the loan order has been approved calendar item number seven hearing
called his ordered on an ordinance relative to improving public health and accessibility to health care products in the city of Rivier any proponents proponents your name and address for the record please good evening my name is Julia
figeroa from Bay Street I'm a junior at Rivier high school and I'm here to talk about something that affects half our population but is often overlooked ministration specifically I want to address my menstrual products should be made available in all public buildings in R and ask that you please vote Yes on
the ordinance relative to improving public health and accessibility to healthcare products in the the city of Rivier in my hand I have a dozen letters from high school students who wrote letters to the city counil believing in this ordinance and want it desperately
approved access to menstrual products is a basic necessity that is often a luxury for many women in our community most of the time that need for menstral products can come at unexpected times whether it be during the school day during a visit to city hall or the Library without easy
access to pads or tampons it can cause significant stress and discomfort in fact research shows that one in five students have missed school because they didn't have access to menstrual products this is something that should not happen in our community by making these products available in public buildings
like our libraries and recreational centers we should ensure that no one would have to face the embarrassment or challenges that come with being unprepared it's not just about convenience it's about equality again access to these products is a basic necessity that currently
feels like a luxury some of us either cannot afford or have trouble accessing at the most crucial times moreover making mentro products accessible in public spaces would show that our city values the health and dignity of all its residents it's an easy step to take that
would make a big difference in the lives of so many people thank you for your time please vote Yes on this ordinance thank you any other proponents name and record please good
evening everyone my name is jila figuroa and I am a seventh grader at GMS I would like to express my appreciation for the AV availability of menstrual products in our schools however I believe we need to improve the distribution of these
products today I want to talk about why menstrual products should be made available in all public buildings in R and ask that you please vote Yes on the ordinance relative to improving public health and accessibility to Healthcare
products in the city of Riv not too long ago I was in the library with a couple of my peers when one of them asked if we had a pad available which none of us did and the bathroom didn't have any either this is an example of what many of us encounter on a daily bases providing
these products in public spaces is a simple but powerful way to demonstrate respect for our health and well-being it's a small investment in that can have a significant impact on both comfort and confidence idence for any woman let's work together to ensure
that menstrual products are as accessible as any other necessity because when everyone has the resources they need we all move forward stronger healthier and more united thank you for your time please vote Yes on this ordinance thank you any other
proponents proponents closing that side any opponents okay closing that side city councilors council greenos thank you Mr President I'm really excited to have
collaborated with my fellow counselor um Han hero on this because as these girls said it makes me really happy that this is something that they want and the key word of what they said today was
necessity and for women and for young girls it is a a necessity and um I'm really hoping that fellow counselors will vote in favor of this
motion thank you thank you councelor Council hero thank you Mr President and uh I I want to again thank um councilwoman waros SAA for uh her support of this motion but most importantly to uh the
two amazing young ladies that just spoke on the motion I think that um you know I've spoken a little bit about some real uh Public Health needs that we all have that is accessible to everyone in every single building no matter where you go in this country and
in this city um and this is a a big glaring Gap that we've had for Generations here um and um you know I this came out of an idea from conversations with young women in the in the in a civics class at the Riva High High School um who who you know wanted
to expand this and I want to acknowledge that the River Public School already does this but that are public buildings that are run by the city of Riv not the public schools don't do this yet um and so in addition to this being a a really u a need in the public health space uh
this has been served as you see as an opportunity to uplift the voices of our young leaders here in the city so really proud of them for coming uh to speak in support of this today today and I hope that the rest of my colleagues will join me um in voting and support of this once the time is is
right um and I also um want to sorry one last thing want to make one clarification you know uh we note here that the mayor um we're given we're asking the mayor to work with the school department and the city essentially to make sure that um things are you know in
his capacity as as the school committee chair to make sure that things are copesthetic between the school district and the city uh make sure that um you know we have a a kind of a a Unity strategy around providing these products which again um I want to acknowledge
already happens in the schools but we want to expand to places like the library like Mr Figo just mentioned thank you councelor councelor McKenna thank you Mr President um I agree with this too I think it's a wonderful um way for uh women to get
access to what they need uh the only thing that I feel is I just wouldn't want it to be abused like for instance if you put them in the um school bathrooms and I don't know if they I know you said they're in the High School
uh but if they're in the uh you know the the um uh the women's bathroom I just don't want the someone to pick it up and open it up and throw it throw it on the floor or something I want it to be used so that's my biggest concern is I hope
it can be mandated so it it can be uh put in places where women can go in like the nurse's office or an administrator's office or uh teachers uh woman teachers uh uh classroom or somewhere where they won't be abused and that's my only
concern about them being abused uh just people playing with them and and that's it and thank you for coming up you guys are amazing thank you thank you councelor any other city councilors council cogliandro thank you Mr President um uh
girls very well spoken excellent job thank you for coming up I'm in full support of this uh I do have to mention that this this may this is going to have a cost to the city and depending on how many public buildings we actually put
this in we may be looking at a a bill over $5,000 that doesn't concern me but procedurally we need to send this to have a uh Financial impact statement done before we can final vote on this uh that's by ordinance unfortunately so I
don't know if it needs to go to Ways and Means or if we can get the fin Financial impact statement and have it be part of the presentation in legislative affairs um maybe the Madam clerk would know more about that okay thank you councelor thank you Mr
President any other counselors permission to speak from the chair thank you uh ladies great job as a dad of two girls and um this is a necessity that should be and and should already be
happening um it's very brave of you to come up here and speak on this and um I'm excited you did so I I like I said I I couldn't imagine going into the mum and not being able to use toilet trees or toilet paper so I I don't think
that's something that females should be looking into and Kudos on you bringing this up thank you this will be going to legislative affairs calendar item number eight hearing called dis ordered on the application of edin Bala 48 Derby Road
Rivier Mass requesting a special permit from the Rivier city council to enable the appellant to raise the existing non-conforming structure and construct a new four-story mixed use building within the same footprint consisting of a two-story restaurant on the ground and second floors and two residential units
on the third and fourth floors one apartment per floor at 6364 Rivier Beach Boulevard thank you uh petitioner good evening Mr President members of the council my name is Floren LCA 45 Malcolm
Road Boston and I'm the architect on the project and I'll be speaking on on behalf of my of my client half the job has already been done um as has been said the address of this project is 6364 R Beach Boulevard uh AKA n Nick place
which most of you probably a familiar I'm sure you are um and um what we have here we have a lot that's just under 12200 Square ft and most of it being occupied by the existing existing building which has seen better days and uh so we are proposing of taking it all
down and rebuilding as as said a four story building two stories of restaurant and two story of one bedroom each the restaurant will have an entrance and a back of house kitchen on the first floor and a seating dining area of about 35
patrons on the on the second floor um the area is Zone rc2 and this is where the problem starts because the rc2 as you may be aware it requires a minimum of 25,000 Square ft lot and again we only have under 1,200 which makes it
very hard for impossible for us to meet the setback uh requirements the f and the parking so that's why we we came to request a a a relief for for from those requirements from the from the council so I'll be happy to answer any other
questions that the council might have thank you are there any other proponents anyone else in favor any [Music] opponents name and address Mike Tucker
ellon Street r i I'm not I don't I have to come up as a proponent because you don't have a question um area they they're stating that they they clarified now because it's not in their their documents it's only going to be one bedroom units on each floor am I correct
yes yes with zero parking with well there's 10 parkings there's zero parking even for the restaurant the restaurant would require I believe they they asking for 40 seats according if you get the count um but
there no parking at all I have a problem with the footprint because they're saying that the existing building does not take up that whole footprint it it they have parking on there now um they did clarify that they
are only going to have two one bedrooms so I'm not really an opponent but I just want to question questions that they said 35 tables but in the application I believe it counts for 40 so if they can
clarify that um I'd appreciate it thank you sir yes so um the lot is just yes right now there's a lot of empty lot around the the building but that is not our client so the actual lot is just
1159 Square ft which is a little bit at the back corner that is not occupied by the everything else is is the building itself so so there there's that so there is no parking available whatever is seen right on the street it's it's the other property um I said 35 patrons not table
so that's the that's the total for patrons plus the staff so that gets us to about 40 40 person's occupancy which calculates about 10 Unit 10 parking spaces required for the for the restaurant and for the two one-bedroom apartments one and a
half parking space per per unit that makes it three so that that's the total and that's the total comes up to 13 yeah so that's the Mr Tucker does that answer your questions the small parcel on the back
it's not the client no it's not the client it's not the client let me so what will happen with that piece of parcel this is this is my client's parcel right there okay going happen on the side cuz aren't you occupying that now it's somebody else's but doesn't use
that pel yeah yeah I use it now okay so what's going to happen with that posle one day they're going to build something yeah okay yeah what was the answer to that question that parcel remains that small
parcel is going to remain well it's not that small it's a huge parcel around it it's just yeah being used Now by well yes I guess the free for I know okay and and that they
okay yeah any other opponents opponents closing that side City councilors yep councilor McKenna thank you uh Mr President so um how many seats do you have right now
24 24 and you want to go up 44 35 35 okay so you want to go up 10 okay and parking on the street you're not you are using that lot I know you are he's right about that but uh before you weren't when that lot was not available and there was still a building up there uh
you were using street parking am I right okay uh what the other thing too is it's very disappointing that you don't have you're the architect you don't have a rendering of what you're going to do um we do we submitted we submitted did I
pictures okay I must have missed it I'm sorry oh okay okay okay so well that's why they what is your elevation that's a good question the elevation are you going looks like it's got What's the
total height in the total height 52t 52 feet okay this yes I missed it I I missed it okay you have is that an elevator uh the elevator is inside no that's a stair
okay all right so right now you have 25 seating you want to add 10 more and then you want to add two bedrooms um and you have no parking yes so everything will be on the straet okay thank you very much the 35 unit the 35 sorry if I may
go ahead 35 um seating area it's it's mandated by the code it's based on the square footage of the of the place so that's why we I mean we're always looking for mix use in the city that's I mean that's why we uh selected hm suffix Downs to come in and we're always
looking for mixed use but uh parking is a problem so um and I I think this is going to be referred to what legislative affairs of zoning zoning okay so I'll wait until the committee okay thank you very much and I'll have a sandwich for you next time great thank you very much
just for clarification I had to come up as an opponent because there's no comment section I am not opposed to what he's saying now but I will go to the meeting and I'll go to the subcommittee and state my case thank you Mr Tucker okay so um any other opponents uh
any other City councilors councelor agenzio so the restaurant now next they don't have any parking for the the restaurant people now right no we don't we don't and now as far as the two bedrooms uh I'm not familiar with parking along rier
Beach Boulevard is that restricted at night any way for residents to park on it so I it is on Ocean a on on Ocean a yeah on Boulevard ocean yeah okay so your people that use
these two um Apartments would park on Ocean Avenue yes okay thank you thank you councelor any other uh councelor novski thank you Mr President um first of all love Nicks
thank you uh but I have to discuss this building I'm disappointed I didn't get a some kind of renderings on the individual floors of how the layouts are going to be so I'd like to see that when
it comes to committee yes we will okay I'd like to see what's going to go below grade from the boulevard down to Ocean a what is going to be down there it's going to be a basement for storage and for the resturant for Nicks okay so there's no room for any parking back
there no it's not and the footprint is so small we just can't get down without without stack parking there know where that went tonight and and an elevator so no yeah but I'd like to see inside renderings on the layout of the floors I agree yeah each floor all the way down yes okay yeah we are restricted a little
bit I have to say by the requirements of the submission even so we we did put out a bit more than I thought we were allowed so that's kind of a I was kind of straight jacketed on that not to mention the fact that we weren't really sure if this is going to have any traction so it's only so much money the client wants to spend or I want him to
spend on this but yes to your point please do that absolutely thank you thank you councelor councelor Gino SAA thank you Mr President first of all I love Nicks thank you we order from there once a week um my question is during say say
this does pass and and you get to to build what you want to build what's going to happen are you closing down during the process yes we will to come back even better okay you will be closing down though for a while yes thank you thank you
counselor any other counselors no I'll deliver I'll deliver privately permission Len to me from the chair thank you um I I just have a couple questions maybe you can maybe you can't so um a lot of times when we get
into these situations of parking restrictions and whatnot we ask the the developer if they would agree to in the lease not have someone who's moving in have no vehicle so put that in your lease that the person who moves in has doesn't have a vehicle unless you were
planning on having it for an employee or yourself actually it's going to be for Family Purpose use for my parents or for my kids go graduate now and have a apartment to leave I I understand I mean here and the here I think about I I
would think about it if if you would maybe putting that into the to the deal where we say you know we just won't allow cars and you have the trains right there and and whatnot and that might help some of the counselors get over the parking concerns of course just a
thought no absolutely yes okay Mr Mr President um I'm sorry CC cand thank you um uh to your point we we could just add this to title 10 so they wouldn't get resident stickers I I don't like the idea of telling them they have to put it into uh put it put this as part of a
lease that they can't have a vehicle if someone wants a vehicle and they decide to use a a a parking lot to store their vehicle that's one thing but you know title 10 exists for you know we can allow one one sticker no stickers or 10
whatever it is so I personally no offense Mr President but I would say just add this to the to title 10 and limit it the way that we want to limit it that's all thank you thank you councelor this will be referred to
zoning calendar item number nine hearing called disorder on the application of Nicholas D 375 Broadway R Mass requesting a special permit from the Rivier city council to enable the appellant to expand an existing non-conforming HST structure for the conversion of a 5un structure to a 6un
structure at 30 Campbell AV petitioner Nick D 375 Broadway uh thank you very much council members um I'm here tonight to ask for a special permit to convert the five unit building that I just purchased to a six um I will be
fairly brief because it will be going to committee however I'll be happy to dive in as deep and thorough as you guys would like so in August of 2024 I purchased the existing 5unit very distressed building
um and I have here since then my goal was to First tackle the exterior I had the asbest deated I had the windows removed took took down the ex um dilapitated porch did new vinyl um and now is the time to tackle the interior
and it when when um my goal is to bring it all up to code and by doing so I'd like to add a two-bedroom apartment to The Unfinished top floor the existing structure would not change I let's put a current what you see now is what you
will get the footprint won't change the exterior won't change the height will not change what will change is the fire code within the building by doing this changing use it will activate all code upgrades I'd be bringing a sprinkler system central fire alarm system proper
egresses and really bring it all up to code which will make it a safer place for the existing tenants future tenants First Responders and also help attract a much stronger clientele I live in the city I work in the city I take pride in the real estate I own and in its current
condition I'm not very proud of it um I also have some renderings um we had uh um councilman uh Nova selski and I hosted a neighborhood meeting um it was all very positive feedback uh they were thrilled to know that I'd also be
adding for additional parking the main concern in this neighborhood is the parking so again I'll show you a picture this is a rendering of the two-bedroom apartment and again the ex the exterior will not be changing the height will not
be changing the dorm is already in place it'll be a beautiful 700 20 ft apartment um and in doing so I will also be adding four parking which is really appeasing to the
neighborhood um so it'll be a 1:1 ratio six Apartments six parking spaces and then just to give you a visual where the parking will be added oh all right
a great student um and then this is where the parking will be going so as you can see it's already paved to begin with I'll just be extending the paving back which allow for those four additional spaces so there is my uh project my proposal and I know this will be going
subcommittee but I'll be happy to answer any questions or concerns thank you very much thank you Nick any other proponents do we have any proponents and anyone in favor of this project name and address
please um my name is anyel palasio I live in one Overlook was got a nice neighbor and um he did a good job I'm very happy I have
no problem with I'm happy with parking space I'm very happy with him cuz my house go more EXC thank you very much any other proponents oh proponents proon no any other
proponents we'll close that side opponents please come up name and address please for the record you are against my I have a house on charab 17 charab name is Andrea Lance um the
reason why I'm here is that sounds good but the parking around there is a nightmare and a matter of fact the police were there yesterday and they have to keep on coming because they there's no place for parking and they keep on blocking there was a car in my
driveway and the guy's going I rate and screaming and swearing saying I'll do whatever I want so the police had to come and you know have him remove it he almost hit the police it it was just this is like an ongoing thing they're always blocking my driveway so how is
that benefiting because you put in another another apartment so now we're up to six have you been down CH Overlook in Char yes I know we we're talking about you see it's a nightmare with the Roose it's it's tight down there yeah and things that were allowed I don't
even know how got past but people don't use their driveways and they're parking on the street I try and always use my driveway to to ease it up right it's beyond and then I'm just saying what about guess you're you're talking about
massive cars and there are no one on child's have can even Park they have elit elit they on both sides so I don't know when it was I've been there since I was a little girl they took away the one
side worst thing they ever did they said said that they can't get up there because of the fire department did you try and get up Albert you can't get up there either you know what I mean like I barely get my car through going up Al they're on both sides is
so I had to come down here and voice my opinion because the the parking is incredible people next door to me I guess it was a parking ban no one moved their cars and he shovels and he throws it all in the street so it's a complete
ice mounds and then another park in front of my driveway because no one can park it's a nightmare that's all I can say it's a nightmare there thank you you know so picture picture more cars picture more people coming to visit I
mean it it it's not just the people that are living there it's more and more caruse flying up and down the street it's it's really bad thank you thank you thank you Mr
Tucker Michael Tucker 9 ellon Street again I have to get up as a opponent but I am in favor of it because they answered the question they're they're adding four parking spaces that aren't there right now I hope everyone realizes that yes they're adding four parking spaces so I am in full support of this
thank thank you Mr Tucker councelor H thank you Mr president I was just going to say um I've had a few conversations with Nick over the last week or so um I think this is a nice plan I like the four spots the
idea of the adding the four spots out front um I'm not sure if that's that's known but that a lot of people seem to be confused by that but he is adding four parking spots in back of the um residents but he's done great work on
Broadway um I know he takes a lot of pride in the city like you said so I don't see a problem with this project I think it's a it's a good one thank you thank you counselor councilors counil Areno I have a question for Mr dare how many spots currently exist
there off Street packing currently it's two so in its current condition it's actually a more burden to the neighborhood being a 5 to2 ratio five Apartments of two spaces versus what it would be um six to six one to one so my goal now I mean right now there are two
vacant units that's kind of why I'm really going forward with it now um but if I were to rent the existing units it would be a PR it would be a burden to the neighborhood thank you very much Council McKenna thank you Mr President um we're always um you know
talking about no parking uh people are coming up here they're developing and they're always asking for no parking you know um Mr deer has six parking spaces he's putting in um I just think it's a great thing um I know you're talking
about no parking but he's putting six spaces in this if you have a problem with people parking in front of your driveway you can call the traffic you can come up to the traffic commission you can put a you can put a request and have a sign and I don't know if the sign
would help but no no P well we'll put it back up uh but no parking uh near the driveway so that might relieve your um your problem with parking I just don't see how it's benefit well you can't talk from your that you have to come up and
talk you can't talk from your chair I just don't see how it's going to benefit when each apartment the people next door there's like 30 of them living there across the street there's 30 people we're talking about him though I know and I'm talking we have problems
all over the city and we have problems with with parking all over the city I live on win B I don't have a driveway all right so I have so it's by chance tonight if I get a parking space in front of my house I'll probably have to park down the street parking is crazy in
in the city of Rivier but he's willing to give six parking spaces so that eliminates I mean yes you can talk about the guy across the street but we're talking about him now and he's given he's given that house six parking spaces
which doesn't exist right now so that's a win that's a win for the city because we have developers coming up here all the time asking well can we're going to put this development up but we don't really have any place I we just had it no parking so I think this is a win
thank you I mean it sounds like a a nice project I'm just thinking of like each apartment how many cars are they going to have and guess you know what I mean like you're not talking about like one car you're talking about about many car excuse me I'm sorry to interrupt you but
right now he has two parking spaces so they're I don't know what do you have five five um apartments in there so those people are parking two two cars are parking in those two spaces and then the rest of the five units are parking
on the street so he's eliminating he's putting four parking spaces more in there for six units so I just think it's a win-win yes maybe you'll have a visitor come in and they'll have to park on the street but it's a win-win thank
you sorry thank you coun councilor hero um if one of my colleagues on on the council can help me is there any way to restrict on street parking uh for this particular building so if they live there they already have the one to one is
that is that something that can happen is that something the developer would be amenable to just restrict the on street parking to a visitor I mean we can have a further conversation committee but I guess that might help solve the um residents
problem thank you Mr President Mr President uh I've been dealing with Nick you know since the beginning of his thinking of even doing this and I got phone calls from Charles have and uh you know Charles the people
on Charles or the people that come to visit Charles are coming to visit people on Charles A they're not coming from Campbell AV to park on Charles cuz you can't park on Charles it's one-sided parking and excuse me from well please
let me we let you talk let me speak please and I didn't interrupt you and when people shovel snow it's people that live on the street that are doing the shovel not the people on Campell La
coming down to park there Charles is a is a very very small Street Campell La is a larger Street and with all due respect to councelor Hero you can't restrict parking on a public Street es for one apart for one house
you can't do it and by adding the four spaces that is enough to make it doable and have a nice building he's already made the building nice he's going to redo the regrade the grounds put new
walls up new uh new uh concrete walls new retaining walls new fencing all around and it's going to look nice the people that lived there before were very nice people never had a problem with them and I don't think we're going to have a problem anywhere with this
particular space the situation with other houses and what they do we can't control that we can't control PE 30 people living in one apartment house in another house someplace else we're just talking about 30
Campbell Avenue bottom line so I will be in favor of this thank you thank you councelor councelor Ginos thank you Mr President I agree with Council noveli as well as councelor McKenna um most of the buildings that are coming up now or
apartments that are coming up now to be built have no parking Nick is giving us Mr Dar is given us four extra spots which will make it a one to one ratio and I think it is uh it's going to be
beneficial for the neighborhood it won't be a detriment because it'll take away the two cars that are actually being parked in the middle of the street right now so they will have somewhere to park in the driveway since he's adding the four extra spots so I I'm in favor of this as well thank you councelor Council
cogliandro thank you Mr President three to the resident ma'am um I know you got some push back tonight but if someone's blocking your driveway call the police and if and if they don't help you I will so you can call me I'll give you my number afterwards because I if someone blocked my driveway I'd be calling the cops so if they're not if they're not
coming out there I'm happy to help you thank you thank you counselor any other counselors just referred to zoning calendar item number 10 hearing call is ordered on the application of GB Gibson Point owner LLC care of Redgate
265 Franklin Street Boston requesting a chapter 148 license from the Rivier city council for above ground storage of 5,5 gall of gasoline and 38.2 gallons of oil to be contained within 199 vehicles to be parked in a parking garage of a residential
development at one Gibson way R petitioners is anyone here from proponents any proponents hi I'm Austin Smith of cod Consultants 132 Turnpike Road Southboro Mass and I'm here on behalf of the
appellant which U is the building owner um and I'm serving as a fire protection engineer and consultant so we submitted the application to the city and prior to doing so we had submitted to the fire
department um corresponding to Deputy um Chief Paul Cher for his review and approval for the application which we were able to obtain one point of clarification I'd like to add is that all the plantable combustible liquids that are stored within the structure are solely on level
one and within the vehicles themselves is just motor oil and gasoline and two there are no other storage locations when within the building itself thank you thank you any other proponents anyone in favor closing that side any
opponents anyone opposed closing that side City councilors C zambuto I don't know why these still come before us but uh they do and it shouldn't be here but uh I'm certainly in favor of granting this
license thank you councelor permission to speak from the chair thank you I I know the gentleman and this said it but I do want to make clear that this is for vehicles parked in the building this isn't to store gasoline and oil these are the vehicles that will
be moving into this facility that's what the gallons of gas and and oil are I just wanted to make that clear thank you okay we can roll call the vote Madame clerk shall the city council approve a chapter 148 license for the purposes
stated to be executed at one Gibson way councelor agenzio yes yes councelor cogliandro yes yes councel janino yes yes councel greo SAA yes yes councelor H yes yes councel Haro no no council Kelly yes yes Council McKenna yes yes Council
noeli yes yes Council zambuto yes yes and council president sylvestri yes yes the chapter 148 license has been granted oops calendar item number 11 hearing called disorted on the application of re of Rivier owner LLC 646 Ocean AV
requesting a chapter 148 license from the Rivier city council for the above ground storage of 237 gallons of diesel fuel to be contained within an emergency generator and 4,840 gallons of gasoline contained within 242 vehicles to be parked in a
two-level parking garage within a mixed use development at 646 ocean a any you want to hear from petitioner any proponents anyone in favor hearing none closing that side any
opponents anyone against hearing none City councilors Mr President Council nooski Mr President I know um the uh developers are not here and I don't know why but this is just
like uh one Gibson it's the same situation just the storage of the new cars and the new building that's going that's going up so I say we move on it and approve it counc greenos just a quick question is it all
outside parking well then it's not the same as the other one cuz the other one is all outside I don't think you only need a 140 excuse me Mr President for you the councel you need a 148 for underground parking so the other one had to have
some underground parking on it under the building right that's right they do have a parking lot yours Gibson does have a large parking lot this does not but it's all under under the building so you need the
148 thank you thank you councelor councelor janino two different garages here the last one we had had 199 vehicles 199 just say 200 with 5,5
gallons we have 237 over here with 4,800 gallons what's what's the difference here we know if it's if it's gas stored a vehicle would it be the same and
just the 237 time 20 there's no way listed either we're looking that up coun for example one Gibson way if the city council takes a look at the application maximum quantity calculated B based on maximum number of cars 305 at 1.8
gallons of oil per 25 gallons of gasoline per car and 1.8 gallons of oil per 55 gallons of gasoline per van comes out to 305 cars time 25 gallons of gas per car plus two Vans times 55 gallons of gas per van that gives you
7,735 gallons of gas then on there was no calculation provided on the application for the 646 ocean we table that one get more information Mr President with all due respect you know the fire department
approved this you know so they know what's going on down there and everybody does their calculations differently with the different different number of vehicles different kinds of vehicles and
you know this to me this is a no-brainer just approve it let them Park their cars underneath the building thank you councelor councelor Zan buo again it makes the case that they shouldn't be before us the fire department approves them they should just issued a license I wish we could change change the
ordinance so that would happen maybe maybe we look into that councelor maybe we can get together and do that yeah great thank you councelor councelor Haro U Mr President I I don't know how procedurally this um this works but on um agenda item number 10 here I'd just
like to be recorded in the affirmative thank you any of the counselors move the question okay um let me see [Music]
guys yes please roll call shall the city council approve a chapter 148 license for the purposes stated to be executed at 646 Ocean Avenue councelor agenzio yes yes councel cogliandro yes yes councelor janino yes yes coun greo SAA
yes yes councelor H yes yes councelor hero yes yes councelor Kelly yes yes councel McKenna yes yes Council noeli yes yes Council zambuto yes yes and council president sylvestri yes yes the chapter 148 license has been granted calendar item number 12 hearing
called dis ordered on a petition submitted by National Grid to install underground facilities on Endicott AV rir Mass to include the installation of underground conduits to be located substantially in accordance with the plan filed here with name and address for the record
please uh Peta uh 170 medf Street in Malden uh coming to represent National Grid uh National Grid plans to install underground con for secondary cables from the Riser installed on pole 157 uh to Traffic Control enclosure
located on the sidewalk of and C AB in R Council McKenna thank you um Mr President I have already talked to him uh can't say what what's your first name uh pet okay um and it seems like it's like 65 ft yes okay that's not a lot I
know where it's it's right in front of uh Lady of Ls in uh that intersection and they're doing work there now so I I approve of that but I just want to say to you because you're not going to come here easy I'm sorry I'm Gonna Be Kind I'm GNA be kind but um I'm going to
approve this tonight I'm going to say yes to this but I just want you to know that I've called national grid for the last four months we have five lights out and one of them uh president um sylvestri and I put in for Luigi's uh in
front of the train station which has not been um put in yet yet um there's three three lights well five lights that are not uh lit on win for Parkway two poles
are missing um and DCR has already done the conduit for it a month ago and it's National Grids turn to come in and put the polls back up and do that lighting
because that's a curve um and if it's very very dark someone's going to hit the wall uh can I get an address of where I don't have an address this it's it's winra Parkway I'm I have um One
pole 77 that I know it's 200 um 785 winter bav winter bav yeah that's that's five I have like five or six polls and I've been calling Tammy national grid for the last four months and nothing's been done yeah I I will have to bring
that up with them cuz I have no idea what's going on there so I I'm going to try to bring this up and hopefully we can have something and these inter and the lights that are out are very um crucial um you know because they're
crosswalks to from the train station across the street to Luigi's um the other ones uh intersection uh from winr bav in Crescent naav that's a big one in winr Parkway is I mean
it's crucial because it's a curve so if the lights are out and cars don't know where they're going they're going to hit the wall or they're going to are they going to knock down the two polls that they haven't put up yet so thank you very much absolutely thank
you councel McKenna any other counselors okay Madame clerk if we can roll call the members shall the city council Grant the relief requested by National Grid for Endicott Avenue councel agenzio yes yes councelor C Leandro yes yes councel
janino yes yes councel greo SAA yes yes councelor H yes yes councelor hero yes yes councelor Kelly yes yes I'm sorry councel McKenna yes yes councel noeli yes yes councel zudo yes yes and council
president sylvestri yes yes the petition of national grid for endicot AV has been approved calendar item number 13 hearing called dis ordered on a petition submitted by National Grid to install a pole across from 55 Walnut AV beginning at a point
approximately 134 ft north of the center line of the intersection of sherle Av in Walnut AV and continuing approximately 17 ft in an easterly Direction petitioner yep uh so National Grid in this case is uh petitioning to install a new secondary poll which would
be labeled poll 6679 84 to relocate a previously existing antenna attachment at pole 679 Walnut AV thank you proponents any
proponents hearing none any opponents opponents anyone against closing that side City councilors Mr President councilor novski Mr President uh this is the first I've ever heard of this had no clue they were doing
it and uh I have an issue of where they want to put it why they want to put it and I think we ought to table it and um have them meet me sometime between now and the next meeting and explain to me exactly what's going on because um not
happy with this at all thank you counselor that is okay with me I can try and meet with you at some point whenever we're available Council H thank you Mr President you
know I was going to have something to say about adding a poll but um when you talk about a secondary poll is that is this a is the first pole one that's damaged or leaning in any way is this is this a quick fix this isn't anything
regarding that so the pole 679 previously used to have an antenna on it uh because a new building came in front of it we put Transformers on it in order to fit the new building that was so the antenna was moved and they're
trying to put the pole there in order to uh to re uh to place the antenna that was previously existing in the other pole that's basically what's going on so it's nothing like the in instance on Wilson Street a couple weeks back when the pole was leaning it's nothing
regarding that no and you can meet with the the ward counselor to discuss this yes I can try meet with him uh uh I don't know I'm GNA have to get a phone number for that but okay thank you thank you councelor councelor McKenna uh um
thank you for the leeway um is this a 5G um antenna uh I'm not sure uh I think it was a Wi-Fi antenna but I've I should uh talk with somebody so we do have an ordinance that uh no 5gs come into the
city so um no idea this was a previously existing po this was a previously existing antenna so I am not sure how it was it was used to be according to Google Maps it was in 2019 there so I don't know okay um so um
Council and noeli can um discuss that with you I'd really like to know if that's uh if that's a 5G or not thank you okay so is it the will of the council that we want to hold this table it get your information counselor and
we'll proceed as follow motion to table motion a table calendar item number 14 hearing called is ordered on a petition submitted by National Grid to install approximately 10 ft of 2 to 4 in conduit from existing poll
22740 to private property to provide a permanent overhead to underground siphon service at 130 hitchborn Street petitioner uh yes so National Grid is uh petitioning to install approximately 10 F feet of 2x4 in conduit uh from
existing Pole 22740 to private property to provide a permanent overhead to underground siphon service at 130 Highborn Street in Rivier hitchborn thank you councilor
novaski thank you Mr President again I was never not notified of this as the first I've ever heard of this happening so I ask this to be tabled also councilor H thank you Mr President to to the ward counselor is this courtesy as
National does National Grid usually Reach Out beforehand through you Mr President uh at times they do I've had had meetings with other Engineers that have come up you know and I've met beforehand and let me know what's going on because I think
they should I think that's a good thing and if that's something that's lapsed the last couple weeks or months then that was I was going to say that's something we should probably look into with that with the lack of communication thank you thank you motion to table calendar item number 15 hearing
called dis ordered on a petition filed by National Grid to install approximately 10et of 1 to 3 in underground conduit from existing Pole 39190 to provide a permanent overhead to underground siphon service at 73 GV petitioner uh National Grid is
petitioning to install about 10 ft of 1x3 con uh inch conduit from existing pole 3 919- 0 to private property to provide a permanent overhead to underground siphon service at 73 gauge Avenue aor thank you do you have any proponents
anyone in favor hearing none we'll close that side opponents anyone against sir can you come up and state your name and address for the record could you press the button sir thank you sh J 250 Lantern Road
apartment number 34 my question will be from National Grade how deep they're going to go and how much radiation will be creating to go to the is overhead or underground do you have those answers
sir so the property is going to go underground the rule I think it's about 6 feet uh regarding that but I don't know anything regarding radiation that wasn't mentioned at all maybe your question is there's no radiation well I happen to be a 40 years
electrician so I know there's going to be effect if it's not parid on a concrete and 3 Ines of minimum 3 in of concrete covering it so when you coming from the fold to go there you need a rigid conduit it correct yes rig conduit
it 4 in minimum because the National Grid is 250 size of a wire two 250 Cas M to going into the building for forhead overhead or 400 amp service for house I think this is 200 doesn't matter a still
is a 4-in rigid a still you got to be minimum amount below whatever for your grounding and bonding system especially if the houses have all new electronic devices you need isolated ground otherwise you're going to burn everything no I'm just asking that if
that's somebody here I mean if I own the house and that that blew up I like to know why my TV keep going on I get a phone call go back fix it and saying oh is electrician fault thank you thank you any other
opponents anyone else against closing that side city councilors council cogliandro thank you Mr President when would this job start if we approve it you don't know how long would the job
take and what kind of damage are we going to be doing to the sidewalks the street and we basically just a simple trench from part of the sidewalk basically that's basically it and then everything else is private property so
they're going to be trenching private property okay and National Grid's going to fix everything and make it way done by contractors they they should be doing that that's they it shouldn't be should they are they are going to be doing that other I don't this I know this isn't
your fault this is what I'm talking about this is a residential area you guys say we should be repairing this no you have to repair it we're not going to let you do work if you guys are going to come in here and just rip the streets up and then not fix them this is a constant issue okay and I I didn't know about
this either and to councilor novasi's point and I'm sorry you keep coming up here I give you credit for coming up here and just taking the blows man but seriously we can't get the right people on the phone to get this stuff handled so lack of communication we we don't even know we don't even know if it's
going to get fixed it's not guaranteed it's not written in your your your information there you don't know when the job's going to start so from my perspective I have residents that are going to call me asking me what's going on and then I look foolish because of you guys so I need some more information
before I say okay to this I want to know when the job's going to start and I want a guarantee that this is going to be fixed to the place that it is now at least thank you I would motion to table this councelor thank you coun Mr President councelor
Gino just a point of Interest back in December didn't we pass a motion that National Grid needed to give the counselor's Two Weeks Notice on any work being performed within the
city does everybody recall that but we did pass it it was sometime back in December that we requested that National Grid give the council 2 weeks notice of any work being performed because none of us are being notified of anything that National Grid
wants to do in the city they just think that they can come down here do what they want to do without getting the proper policing as well and we've had this issue was sometime back in December I wasn't here in December so I apologize I don't know
okay you don't have to apologize you don't have to apologize but we need to we need to have ample notice that something needs to be done okay it can't be like the last minute oh the National Grid's going to do this and oh I think it's going to happen and I understand it's not you but maybe the people from
the top need to start coming to these meetings instead of sending you who we pick on yes I understand that we do but we need somebody who can answer our questions thank you Mr President M Council cand I'm sorry councelor thank
you thank you for the leeway Mr President when this happens at every meeting we come after National Grid and you you're taking the blows from this point what do you do you as the person who sits here and gets verbally punched in the face what do you do after that
where do you take this information I bring that to my supervisor and then they try bringing up to somebody who can actually answer the question so it goes to your supervisor who is at Tammy no she's um somebody who speaks with the
town as far as I'm aware I would but I can speak with her as well I would love to know who that put because to our we Tammy is our point of contact right so I'm trying to figure out because it's the same the same issue every single meeting so and I appreciate that you
take this information to the person above you but where it goes from there just like it all these complaints disappear so and I'm sorry to take up you thank you for the leeway Mr President that's all I want to know is what it sounds like right now is you're doing your job and then after that no
one's doing their job so thank you Mr President thank you councelor councelor McKenna um I would suggest um that the council um ask Tammy suburo to come up um and answer all these questions because I've
been calling her four months and I like Tammy but I've been calling her for four months because I have I'm going to give you this list of all the lights cuz I just went back on my email uh there's more than there's uh 4 six 7 8 n nine
lights out that I've been calling her since December for so I'm going to give you this list but I suggest that uh we uh invite Tammy saino to come up and and then you know instead of punching this poor kid every single meeting and he
takes it back to his supervisors and nothing gets done so um I'd like to is that an amendment or uh um I would motion to table this to the next meeting thank thank you Council McKenna um a motion to
table tabled coun item number 16 hearing called dis ordered on a petition submitted by National Grid to install approximately 60 ft of 1 to 4 in underground conduit from existing pole number 306 at the corner of of agus Av and Broad sound AV to provide a
permanent overhead to underground siphon service for three agus AV Mr President Council McKenna um this is my I know uh we just got to do proponents first so petitioner uh National Grid is planning to install
approximately 60 ft of 1x4 in conduit from existing pole on number 306 at the corner of agus Av and brought sound a to private property to provide a permanent overhead to underground siphon service at three agus a RoR thank you any
proponents anyone in favor closing that side opponents anyone against closing that side city councilors council McKenna thank you Mr President uh Agnes uh is have um it I
know they're putting a new house there but I had no idea this was happening um just like uh uh Council novasel so coun counselor I I think what we should do here um I I I'm sorry to interrupt I think we should table the
rest of National Grids I think that you should go back to your supervisors demand please tell them that we must see Tammy or someone that can answer our questions or the council here will not approve anything further for
National Grid I can try to uh meet with everybody uh so with counc mck for anes with CC neski for the other two and with councelor colandra for the 73 gauge um I can start
if I can get your numbers I will personally call you on my work phone and we can set up meetings and I can answer any questions as well as going the list that one I will have to speak with my supervisor because I have no idea regarding that
so Mr President it's it's not so much that I'm sorry through you it's not so much that I don't understand what the job is that you're doing I I just I want answers I want to know about repairs I want to know when I want to know I just want a scope of the job and it seems like we can't even get that so it's not even that I need to meet with you they
need electricity right they need a service we want the decision makers up here because they're sending poor you and we're not getting anywhere unfortunately it's not your fault again but we just want someone who has some poll in National Grid to say sorry we've
disrespected Riv so much By ignoring you so and we're just coming up here asking for this that and the other thing without giving you any answers or or knowledge of the jobs you're doing so thank you Mr President just a leway council McKenna can we get another um
electrical service to come in and and replace National Grid that's a conversation for another day counselor I'm only fooling uh so we're going to we're going to table the rest of National Grid all in favor all opposed so
ordered rule 34 public comment pursuant to chapter 402 of the acts of 1965 thank you members and residents if you pursuant to speak under rule 34 you will come up give your name address the
motion you'll be speaking on and uh you have 2 minutes please come up name and address and the motion you'll be speaking on hi my name is David Young uh address is 304 Beacon Street
Somerville so I'll begin good evening members of the reviewer Community I'm sorry you're actually um under rule 34 you have to be a r resident to speak in the public comment section okay um I was trying to
speak in my Somerville city council unfortunately I wasn't allowed to um we need like a city councelor to sponsor in order it's like a very packed meeting but I felt that this issue is concerning my community and also neighboring communities as well so it's requesting
if I could still speak for two minutes what agenda what agenda item will you be speaking on talk about the local impact of the subversion and transnational repression from the Chinese Communist Party in the local communities in us it is happening
now in so I'm sorry we don't have that on our agenda okay so you you really can't speak on that um at this time it's not anything sitting on our agenda not that I don't take it very serious and I appreciate you coming to to speak on it it's just something that we can't handle
that here here at the council thank you anyone else public comments name and address and the motion you'll be speaking on Mary gondo Washington AA um so this is kind of new the way you're doing it what motion will you be speaking on
that's what I'm wondering am I am I speaking on whatever motions you had so anything that we discussed and that's on the agenda you have two minutes to discuss it right now okay um okay I already discussed the um
apartment extension of homes I forget what it's called I already discussed that problems with that and um I there was something on your agenda about noise yeah no no noise ordinance that's coming into play yeah um I just want to say the
way things are written a lot it's very difficult for residents to understand what you're saying like in other words I just want to explain one section blah blah blah of the revised ordinance of R hereby amended removing word nine
inserting the word eight to me it's not telling me and there's multiples of that right I need to we need to have the residents need to have things written a little easy with
more information for us so we can just look at and say oh yeah right so once all those changes are made to the Amendments they'll be Rewritten and then they'll be for yeah but I might want to speak about it and if I knew what it was I could speak more clearly to you folks
about it yes I don't know what these changes are going to be um so that's my problem the other thing was with all of the um you have on your website the council meeting and you have the agenda
and then the other what was it attachments or something MH I found it extremely hard to go in and out of that attachment to scroll through it I I understand that Miss gondo but that that's again that would be it and
that's like the city yeah itself that's not anything that the council works on it's okay because it's it's really about what you guys are doing if I can't read it I can't comment and it's not fair to the residents I really we we need to get
things clear so our agenda have information our agenda is posted just as we get it as we read it that's exactly how it's posted it's it's documented that exact way yeah I know but someone's writing it I they need to give more information to the residents about what
it's about as I said section six section six section 9.08 100K chapter 9.08 of the revised ordinance city of r amended by removing the word nine and inserting
the word eight right by law when you rewrite an ordinance that's the legal way you have to rewrite the ordinance yeah but we're wondering what it's about you're removing a word a number and putting another number what
does that mean to me nothing that that's all I have here right so you'd have to read the whole ordinance that's just one portion of the ordinance that you're looking at you then look at the whole entire ordinance and can just give us a link to the ordinance so we can find the
information without going crazy they're all posted in in order on you would have to go in in I would have to go in and be a researcher that's what I'm talking about who has time for that and a lot of people are not Savvy on the computers I understand that so you're
missing a lot of your resonance with information I don't think it's fair that's all I'm just saying thank you m gond I like more information on what's going on and I can't find thank you Mr President coun can we suspend
rules uh in order to take up the uh CFO yeah we're just going to finish up quick here any other people for rule 34 sir what motion name address and what motion you'll be speaking on sh 258 Lantern apartment number 34
motion is regarding to uh ever Source right National grd if it's a hard work they need a fireman and if he on a main drag or Main Road even in in Alleyway they they have to have police available
safety hazard this thank you thank you sir anyone else looking to speak under rule 34 okay close that um we're going to suspend the rules
and take up uh Mr viske um to do I believe with the retirement issue yep 25 and 26 please councelor agenzio uh yes Madam roll call on suspension
rules all in favor all opposed so ordered calendar item number 25 communication from the city auditor relative to a financial analysis for the proposed legislation concerning Leo mcal Mr
Vis thank you Mr President and Council thank you for taking me out of order um I appreciate it I thought this one was particularly important because it seems like you're about to take a vote on something that you asked for information on that I wouldn't really delay after the vote so
um that vote uh according to your rules is to do a financial analysis on anything that you may vote on through special legislation that would affect the unfunded liability of the river Retirement Board I am also the chairman
of the rear Retirement Board so on behalf of the board I'm here to let you know that the pending legislation that has been filed on behalf of Officer madagascal um would stand to cost the city's retirement system
$32,000 in total 150,000 of that is attributable to the return of the annuity portion of Mr meal's uh pension and then the $152,000 of that would be attributable
to the increased liability to pay out that pension from 72% to 100% um so uh this particular law just to be clear is a little unique because not only does it enhance the benefits but it
does require that the retirement system return all money contributed by Mr mcll back to him so it's actually um a liability that probably shouldn't be incurred by the retirement system but
by the respective Department that's proposed in this legislation so it could otherwise be $150,000 hit to the police departments but budget fiscally at 26 and then the $152,000 increase liability would be part of the annual appropriation increase over the life of
uh the unfunded liability so thought it would be important for you to know that before you voted on it and I'm happy to answer questions on it thank you councilors councelor jenzo thank you uh
Mr President so Mr mccal there's a law out there that the city to do this if somebody was hurt presently Mr mccal missed this by just a short period of time I'm uh am I correct
in saying that yes certainly I'm not disputing any of those facts I just clarifying oh yeah absolutely okay yeah so by doing this this wouldn't um open up Pandora's Box because this law now exists and this
would be required by the city to do I don't know if that's a statement or not but I'm not going to confirm or deny that this would open up Pandora's Box I'm just going to let you know what it cost for Mr magasco at the time okay so and has the Retirement Board taken a position on it we would not we would not
take a position on it because it's nothing for us to take a position on we just had to explain what the liability would be okay so now uh putting aside Mr mccal if it were to happen now the return of all monies that the officer
put into the retirement system would that fall on the department or would that fall on the retirement system well we don't feel like it should fall on the entire retirement system but this is a a unique case that we're hearing for the first time so um we
we've kind of had a lot of discussion about what the total liability is you'll see the two letters that we got from parak who does our actuary reporting the first letter just contemplated The increased cost of the pension but when you read the law it says all
contributions to the retirement system have to be returned to the person and and some believe that that should be bor by the the respective department but and who ultimately will make that decision I believe it'll be uh something that's decided I mean if it's voted on that
liability comes to the Retirement Board and the Retirement Board May seek to have the department uh fulfill that uh $150,000 that we would otherwise okay have to return and then um and then fulfill the pension obligation so I
don't have a direct answer I guess we're waiting to see what the the verdict is on the vote and then we'll take it to the board and then we'll kind of figure it out from there thank you very much you're welcome any other counselors permission to speak from the
chair um Rich uh so $150,000 the the parak letter am I saying that right per perck is the acrim for the Public Employee Retirement Administration yeah so that letter
insinuated something about $152,000 to be returned does that come out of Mr mcal himself that that money's returned from so essentially anyone in the retirement system is putting in their money that's their annuity portion and then the balance that you get from a
pension is part of what we fund through our annual appropriation so the first thing you have to do is actually return all of the uh money that the person has contributed so that $150,000 is a is handled differently because it's
actually us giving money back today to the retiree and then the second part of the letter which was actually given first is the 152,000 which is the additional cost that it would cost us to fund the pension based upon Actuarial
assumptions which are done by perak on behalf of the city so they are actually not only the oversight for the uh Retirement Systems but they also do our Actuarial reports that give us the unfunded liability that we have to follow to make sure that we're funded by
2034 in our case but by 20 240 by law I'm not sure if that helped but it a little bit and and how would this impact our assessments moving forward for retirement well again it's $34,000 is the is the impact that we estimated would be but 150,000 is just
due to the straight give back of of Mr MC casal's funds that he's donated since his first time he donated to the Sy that's the way the laot read so we would just apply the law so first we'd have to pay back all the money that he contributed and then essentially he'd
almost become a non-c contrib retirement um beneficiary because all the money he gave back typically an annuity would run out between 10 and 12 years on a typical retirement so you know it's a defined pension benefit so some people may pass
away early or later so it's all based upon actual assumptions but that first 150,000 just comes right out so we know it's 150,000 plus an 152 okay so and so we're looking at 150 coming out of retirement 152 possibly coming out of
the or vice versa coming out of the department again I I I don't want to say that that's definitely what's going to happen but the $32,000 liability would be a shortfall that we currently have in the pension system uh the first 150 would have to be paid
out right away and then the second 150 would actually just come in um additional Appropriations needed to fund that 72% to 100% And that's based upon Parx um Actuarial assumptions thank you Mr President could I have a follow-up question please
Council Mr v um so if again if that if this incident were to happen today it this we wouldn't be here this would just automatically happen correct okay and if we were to vote on this tonight then it goes back to the
Retirement Board and the Retirement Board makes the determination if it was a violent act I believe that's what it says in the I don't believe we make the determination I think the I think it's you that's determining that he's uh
entitled to this benefit so I I I don't want to make pretend I'm an expert on this because this is a new law but all I know is that the deadline has come at after the fact that this happened so the Pandora's Box that you speak of that may or may not be open would be how many people that this happened to prior to
the date of this law being an active that would come and ask for the same type of special legislation that's that I think is the fair not fair but that's the reality of it okay so in this it says here if the rever Retirement Board determines
pursuant to said section 7 of said chapter 32 as amended blah blah blah that Leo M CasCal was retired for a violent act injury all of his retirement benefits dispensed after such determination shall be paid it it does
say that the r Retirement Board determines um you read the letter um I believe you're right like I said this is this is somewhat new so yeah I I I I stand corrected okay so we we uh would vote it
would go back to the Retirement Board the Retirement Board would look at the situation decide if it was a violent act yes okay thank you thank you Council nooski thank you Mr President uh first of all may I say I believe it was a violent act you know
the guy was almost killed yes but how would he get paid with with increments or all at once uh how how would the payment pay out be I mean it would be paid out prescribed by the law so the first thing we would do is refund all
his money that he contributed and then his pension would be recalculated at 100% of his benefit versus 72% of his benefit and that's what the um people from parak calculated and and put in this letter so so so he would get the 150 right off the bat corre bulk bulk
correct and then the extra 152 would paid out like he gets a normal check every month yeah that 152 is based upon actual assumptions and his lifespan and all that stuff so it's not it's not a hard and fast figure but it's an estimate B Bas upon Actuarial assumptions but it would be paid out
monthly it would be paid out monthly as an increased benefit to what he would get so okay let's say it was if it was $100 and he was supposed to get $72 a year he would get $100 a year and and and then they put the Actuarial valuations on his AG and is everything else but yes but you get the bulk 150
right off the bat if it's approved correct okay thank you any other counselors okay okay I just wanted to give you all the facts before you voted so thank you with that and like I said the Retirement Board isn't here to take
a position on whether he should or shouldn't we just here to report what the liability would be to the the system so um I don't want anyone to think I'm up here as a pro opponent or an no opponent I'm just here to give you the details thank you thank you Rich Madam
clerk council president this was just a communication the actual motion is within the legislative very subcommittee report thank you back to the regular order of business oh yeah 26 correct calendar item number 26
communication from the city auditor relative to the American Rescue plan act state and local Recovery Fund Financial summary Mr viske okay thank you I know it's been a long night and I know that this Council has always been inquiring about uh the americ resue plan act and
how we spent the funds and the status of it so um I did uh provide you with a slide deck presentation and I'm happy to answer any questions but certainly also happy to have you put in committee and talk about it there if that's uh the choice of the the the council so um
either way I just want to at least give you an update the uh just quickly the commitment of funds from ARA um had to be done by December 31st of 2024 before we have committed all the funds um they have to be expended by calendar year
2026 so we're at a point where we've committed all the funds and now we have to properly spend them by 2026 and um again the slide deck is just to give you a summary of what we spent it on uh where it went and answer any questions and like I said I'm happy to uh discuss
in committee or answer any questions tonight thank you thank you Mr Vis any councilors have any questions placed on file Mr President counil thank you uh while we're still under suspension would it be
possible to take up item number 18 uh for the chief [Music] please Madame clerk could you please take up uh motion to suspend the rules yeah we
are chief legislative legislative subcommittee report do you want me to report out on that item and then uh the chief can speak on it councelor jeno okay thank you Mr President the second item that we
discussed tonight in legislative affairs was a motion presented by councelor junino concerning the retirement of the police officer Leo M CasCal um we discussed this and we voted unanimously to look upon this favorably so I am am
asking for a roll call to look on this particular uh item uh favorably Madam clerk shall the city council approve an act providing for violent act injury retirement benefits for retired police officer Leo mccal councelor agenzio yes
yes councelor cogliandro yes yes councelor janino yes yes councelor greo SAA yes yes councelor H yes yes councel Haro yes yes councelor Kelly yes yes councelor McKenna yes yes councilor noeli yes yes councelor zambuto yes yes
and council president sylvestri yes guess the special act has been approved Chief council president uh I I just want to thank the council for this matter and it's Ben
it's very beneficial for former officer Leo m he always did a tremendous job for the community 25 years he served in the police department and you know unfortunately he was severely injured apprehending a robbery
suspect and you know there's nothing else we can really do for him except support him he supported us and I can clearly see the council here is supporting him and I just want to thank you and the men and
women the r police Police Department thank you as well for your support with this matter thank you thank you Chief back to the regular order of [Music] business legislative Affair subcommittee
report councelor agenzio thank you uh Mr President uh the first item that was before us was an ordinance further amending of food truck locations uh specifically for the r Historical Society parking lot um there was some
discussion about the truck plugging into the uh uh historical commission so there wouldn't be any noise from a generator or any kind of uh uh hming of the
children through through exhaust so we looked on this favorably and and I would like to uh call for a roll call to look on this favorably Mr President councelor sorry just want to submit a sub substitutive motion uh
we we actually spoke uh councilwoman wara Health facilitate um and we spoke with the DPW director uh Chris charma and we just wanted to make sure that um we can in order to ensure that there's
no noise and no uh emissions you know the park that this is uh something that can get plugged into the Historical Society building and just want to direct if we can add an amendment to the to the motion to direct the DPW to make those
accommodations um so that the power grid at the at the structure can hold you know can provide that power um so I I will ask for a roll call on that substitute motion or Amendment if you will um
yeah c go ahead oh would you be revising so it looks like when you're talking about the location you want to just extend that sentence to say that the DPW the the
food truck at this location shall be electric only no generator use and shall be plugged into the point of information Council St your point I I I think somewhere in this needs to be added that we are going to
provide a a dedicated circuit because that building will never hold a plug from that truck so we're going to have to create a dedicated Services it's going to cost some money and and I think that needs to be part of it Mr President
councelor sorry I yeah that's uh that's my point about making appropriate accommodations so um the WW they're they're going to be the experts or they'll contract out the work to figure out who who can do the work but but that's my point about appropriate
accommodations is that um satisfactory to you councelor Zamba yeah I think you you need to provide a dedicated service and we're going to expect to pay for that which you know might be as much as 500 bucks or something but it it's not going to that building will never hold
the circuits will never hold a truck plugged into that building without doing a separate circuit thank you councelor councel yeah so just the substitute motion Amendment but I think councelor gr want
to add something councilor G um after speaking with Chris charma um he said that they don't need more than a 10 amp and they can plug it right into the building that's what he said so um I
actually have a picture of the amp amperage that they have outside so otherwise the the DP will make the appropriate accommodations but it says they shouldn't need more than a 10 amp okay so I guess we have to amend it
to say if a 10 more than a 10 amp is needed I I whatever the appropriate accommodation is yeah whatever the DPW think is the appropriate accommodation is what we should that way cuz we're not none of us I mean I don't know
maybe Mr President Council councel novski requesting councelor thank you sir um as I stated when I was witness you know speaking to the council I'm against this I don't like
the location or the time and I'll tell everybody again this is a it is a parking lot but the times that they want it are exactly when the kids for the immaculates get out of school and the parents are always looking for parking spaces and it's crazy around there
during coming in school and going out of school I think they ought to find another place to do it and especially around those times 3:30 to 7 and now that they're adding the electricity and all this kind of stuff are we be going to give a food truck a private vendor
free electricity are we going to are we going to make them pay for the new circuit uh the breaker that we have to put into the building you know I I think this is wrong you know and I will not vote for this okay Council GRE
OA I agree with Council noveli to a point that I I mentioned it before the school does get out at that time so I didn't think we should start this till 400 p.m. we should not have allowed them to go in there until 4 P p.m. till all the schools have cleared out and as far
I did ask if we could charge them um Chris chal said there's no way of the city to figure out how much that they would owe by using the um electricity from the building but also the Brendan
who is in charge of the Historical Museum does want this in his parking lot he has called most of his counselors and let us know that he is completely in favor of it so I don't know how you want to proceed with this but if we can amend
it to say 400 p.m. if everybody is um okay with with changing it to to 4: to 7:00 p.m. I would appreciate that thank you Mr President Mr President sorry councelor M uh thank you
um can we put a grace period on this if it doesn't work it it you know give them three months do a great grace period And if it works great continue but if it doesn't work then they got to leave
Mr President we should put this back in committee with the number of amendments that we're throwing out here right now can I can I offer amendment that encapsulates all these amendments just to get this over with Poss please okay
so uh just a substitute Amendment to the substitute Amendment if you will um that we uh add the language around the appropriate accommodations um that we strike in Section 3 the number the hour 3:30 to
400 p.m. and that we add uh section four that the city uh that the study Institute a nominal fee for any of the trucks who are trying to uh be there and that the ordinance sunset uh at the
period after a period of 6 months um at which point do city council can reconsider Madam clerk can you roll call that please that was that last piece so section four we so section three we're replacing the number the
hour 330 oh that's uh 5.5 5.10 do um 050 that's uh the time subsection B sorry subsection B yep
location that the electrical think it would make more sense discuss operation yeah so subsection B again in section but in section four of the ordinance so
section four of the ordinance would read section 5.10 0.5b um now maybe we do just put this in committee Mr President I'd like to make a substitute motion to put this back into legislative affairs so we can get
this corrected the way that everybody wants it then we can vote on this when it's all said and done no disrespect to anybody we have a motion on the floor to put back in legislative affairs yes all in favor all opposed I so
ordered so the third item that was before us uh is an ordinance further amending the noise Control Ordinance of the city of Rivier we discussed this we all voted in favor so I'm asking for a roll call uh to look on this
favorably Madam Clerk roll call the members on the second reading as amended noise control order on Final and third as amended roll call for engrossment shall the city council approve an ordinance further amending noise Control ordinances in the city of
Rivier as amended councelor agenzio yes yes councelor K Leandro yes yes councelor janino yes yes councelor greo SAA yes yes councelor H yes yes councelor Haro yes yes councilor Kelly yes yes councelor McKenna yes yes
councel noeli yes Council zambuto yes yes and council president sylvestri no no the uh ordinance is engrossed and ordained thank you Mr President the fourth item was an ordinance further amending fire safety regulations in the city of Rivier as concern fir watches uh
we voted in favor of this so I'm asking that the ask for a uh roll call looking on in favor of this say on a second reading third and final
reading roll call for ordainment shall the city council approve an ordinance further amending fire safety regulations in the city of Rivier councelor agenzio yes yes Council cogliandro yes yes councelor janino yes yes councel greo SAA yes yes councelor H
yes yes councelor hero yes yes councelor Kelly yes yes councelor McKenna yes yes Council noeli yes yes councel zambuto yes yes and council president sylvestri yes yes the ordinance is engrossed and ordained thank you the last item before
us was a motion by Council C Leandro to change the times for the council ways sub uh Ways and Means subcommittee uh just concerning budget hearings um and we looked favorably about sending this to a public hearing so I'd like to
favorable vote to send this to a public [Music] hearing V to a public hearing all in favor of oppos Communications calendar item number 23 communication from the mayor relative to the appointment of Diana Cardona to the
public art commission no it's just appointments I'll go to appointments calendar item number 24 uh this was a I'm sorry this uh the agenda description was incorrect this was a communication from uh CLA enzell
City's policy writer and analyst uh in response to councelor novel's motion that the mayor requests the city solicitor to draft an ordinance regulating the placement installation and removal of satellite dishes Council noos thank you Mr
President Mr President uh took two years to get an answer on this uh but let me say overall I'm not happy with this communication uh it's obvious you know that everybody here does not like to see
the overwhelming abuse of satellite dishes on houses and some of them have seven and eight dishes and probably half of them don't work and according to the city solicitor we can't do anything about it but I would like to for you to
put this in a committee so we can discuss it because they did say we can advise tenants and landlords about when they leave when a tenant leaves they have to take their
dish repair the building and take the dish with them or take the dish and uh because it actually belongs to them not to the dish company so I would like to discuss this further and hopefully you can put in someone's committee and we
can talk about this further and see what we can do about it where would you like to put a councelor safy yeah hello um maybe econom Economic Development
okay we place this in Economic Development all in favor all opposed I agenda items 27 through 37 are all appointments Madame clerk I believe these are all appointments to Elder Affairs could we take them all up at
once you have it's going into appoints okay appointments you have to go to appointment appointments Comm so we going to put them all in once okay so 27 to 37 will be referred to appointment subcommittee calendar item number 38
motion presented by councilors McKenna and cogle Andro that the mayor be requested to proceed with purchasing two new snow removal machines for the purpose of clearing all main sidewalks around the city especially around schools and Transit stops the DPW currently has one old snow removal
machine which is not sufficient enough to cover the entire city citing Nuance complaints from residents that sidewalks AB budding city- owned property are not maintained or m not maintain timely Council McKenna thank you Mr President uh the DPW has only one old sidewalk
snow machine to do the city the whole City's main arteries um they definitely need some new equipment it would be reasonable for the city to invest two new sidewalk machines at the superintendent of Public Works
discretion uh couple of facts on the previous storms that I'd like to the public to know um um that there's an ordinance in place since 2018 stated that all residents in businesses must
shovel in front of their properties within 24 hours of a storm a failure to shovel will result resolve in a fine residents can call 311 and report an unshoveled sidewalk anywhere in the city
even if it's your neighbor the city should also hold uh Mass do and DC are accountable for their sidewalks which a lot of them weren't shoveled if there's any other ice storms like the previous one residents of
Rivier can pick up free rock salt from the city yard on charger Street I know there was rock salt no one had rock salt in um all the stores uh this the salt is located in the beginning of the city yard in a yellow bin you must have a
bucket when you pick up pick it up nothing nothing will be provided for you and lastly I would like to commend the DPW workers and the plow drivers for a wonderful job that they did clearing the streets and sidewalks during the last couple of snowstorms I know the this
past snowstorm was uh really tough because we had seven inches and then rain and it turned to ice so it was really really um deplorable but uh I have to give a shout out to the DPW thank you thank you Cel councel cogliandro thank thank you Mr President
uh this machine we're looking to get costs roughly $4,000 um this is kind of a no-brainer we we should do it um the machine we have now is too big for the sidewalks um and uh I also would like to thank we've had a lot of a lot of Storms and a lot
of uh plowing and sanding needs for the city so um the I have to thank personally Chris Fabiano he's my Lord and Savior when it comes to these things uh I text him and he he magically gets these things and all the guys in in the on the DPW on the subcontractors thank
you thank you councelor Council novski thank you Mr President councilor McKenna I am so glad you put this in thank you because I know they they have a bobcat they can barely make some of the sidewalks and some of the sidewalks are
so small they can't even fit in but this is the first year the first year that dating back wherever but last summer I put a motion in that the
city remove snow and put salt down at all sidewalks adjacent to City properties it was never ever done and I said at that time why should people be fined for not doing their sidewalk when
we're not doing our own sidewalks so this year I work with Chris Fabiano and Billy guaso Mike mlin and I actually gave them a list of all the city sidewalk properties in my wood and
I gave it to them and they hit every single one of them and I was so glad to see it people could walk better we did have problems because of the ice and the Machine not even get but they went back and they saled all these same locations
so I want to congratulate all of them all the guys that did that work and again also the drivers the plow drivers and the guys that did the streets outstanding storms good job keep up the good work and thank
you very much thank you counselor councelor ginoa thank you Mr President I have to agree with uh Council noveli um I've had calls all throughout this entire storm especially on Northshore Road and I know that's not
the it's not the city of Riv it's it's DCR and mot but we we do have issues with them plowing on the um snowblowing on the sidewalks on Rivier Street I did have that issue and I I called Chris Fabiano myself and it was done
immediately I had the catch basins that weren't cleaned out they came down right away uh Nick and no no matter what we've been doing no matter what happens this DPW works fantastically they are right on the ball with anything that we need
so whatever we can do to make their life easier I completely agree with thank you thank you councilor permission to speak from the chair so I I am in favor of this motion I actually spoke with uh Chris tonight
and he said um specifically they were they were they're in need of snow blowers um so he said that two snow blowers would be great but one would be sufficient for now um so just to let everyone know when he was here earlier that's that's what he
said so um I'm I'm all in favor I think they as long as we give them the equipment they need they do an amazing job so it's on us thank you Madame clerk all in favor all opposed so
ordered that no other of business we will see you next city council meeting March 10th