America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. All right, so we have couple new things today. Um,
but first up is a roll call. We have a new commissioner with us today, Anthony Pazi. Welcome, sir. And I'm assuming you're in attendance. >> Yes, I am in attendance. >> Uh so, um Brian roll here.
>> My microphone is not working, but uh >> yeah, there we go. Right next to you. >> Okay. Uh yes, >> Joe >> here. >> Tom >> here. >> Bernardo >> here. >> And Wilson >> here. >> Awesome. And I am here. Um, so first up
on our agenda, we have some new business. Uh, D file number 0610857. This is the Route 16 River Beach Parkway um project. Uh, open the hearing. Good. Uh, turn your mic on. Thank you.
>> Uh, button right there. Yeah, there. >> Perfect. Thank you. Um, good evening. My name is Mike Laroon with Howard Stein Hudson. My name is Chris Lyman, also with Tyler Hudson. >> Good evening everyone. Michael Joel with Mass Duty Environmental Wetlands Unit.
>> Um, for the record, this is the notice of intent filing for the Route 16 bridge replacement project in River Mass, project number 612184. So to orient everyone, the project is located along Route 16, River Beach
Parkway at its intersection with Route 107 Broadway, as you can see outlined here in orange. The purpose of the project is to replace a structurally deficient bridge that has reached the end of its service life. In
addition to the bridge replacement, the project addresses safety, accessibility, and operational issues along the corridor. Improvements include upgraded upgraded sidewalks and ADA ramps, bicycle accommodations, and drainage system upgrades. Importantly, all of this work is occurring within the
existing roadway corridor and has been designed to avoid and minimize environmental impacts. From an environmental standpoint, the project is located adjacent to Mil Creek, which establishes riverfront area jurisdiction. Portions of the project
are also located within land subject to coastal storm flowage. The project has been designed to stay within the existing road roadway footprint and there are no direct impacts to bordering vegetative wetland, salt marsh or coastal bank.
As a result, impacts are limited to riverfront area only. These include approximately 5600 square feet of temporary impact, about a thousand square feet of permanent impact, and roughly 260 square feet of restoration.
These impacts occur within previously developed roadside areas and will be shown on the plans in a few slides. The project results in a net increase in flood storage. In addition, the drainage system is being upgraded, which improves storm water treatment and overall water
quality conditions. I'll now turn it over to Chris Lyman to show the plans. >> Thank you, Mike. Um, so as Mike said, this project um is basically bridge replacement project um for Route 116 Riverview Reach Parkway. Um there's also
some uh mobility um incre upgrades to this along with this project on Broadway Street. Um this includes extending the uh bus lane that's part of another project with MBTA um along this corridor along with um upgraded sidewalks,
pedestrian curb ramps, and a raised bike uh lane along Broadway. It also includes some drainage updates. Um we will be replac we will be replacing um all catch basins with deep sump catch basins and installing 16 new catch basins along
this area along with um updating a lot of the current connector lines to the uh existing trunk line. Um the bridge itself is a in footprint replacement bridge basically means the span of the bridge and the width of the bridge will remain the same as the current bridges
today. Um and it'll be done in three phases. Um the first phase being they will shift traffic to the southbound side of the bridge, keeping two lanes in each direction and do the north side of the bridge. Then it'll move to them shifting to the outside lanes of the
bridge um and doing the work in the middle of the bridge. And then the last one would be they'd be replacing the southbound lanes of the bridge um for three stages. And then the fourth stage would be all the work underneath um the the bridge on Broadway. A lot of the work underneath um on Broadway Street is
currently within the curb to curb width in except for a few areas where we had to widen to allow for the bus lane um and the bike lane. Also to look at this um is there will be some clearing and grubbing along the abutments of their bridge. Again, that's to replace a lot
of the abutments in those areas. Um so they'll be removing all the overgrowth vegetation along those abutments. Um replacing with lom and seed. There is a few trees being um also proposed which includes um some sugar maples. Um I believe there's three that are proposed
right now to be to added and there is currently one tree being removed outside of the abutments of the um bridge to make room for the shared use path that extends farther down Broadway um if you're heading northbound.
Um and then other than that, um it's going to be all mill and overlay of the existing pavement in the area except for within uh close proximity to the existing bridge on Route 116 where there'll be full depth pavement uh replacement. Again, that's to meet uh
grades of the new bridge. Um and other than that, um there's minimal impacts within the riverfront area. Um but there is some um and a lot of that just has to do with the sidewalk uh reconstruction in this area and the widening for uh a couple of pedestrian
curb ramps. Um Chris already hit on the the construction of the phasing and also on the landscaping um plan here. So with that um thank you for your time and happy to answer any questions. >> Can you go back? >> Yep.
Yep. >> Sorry, mic was off. I apologize. If we could go back to the presentation, that'd be awesome. Thank you very much. Um, so that's ramping that's coming down from off off of Broadway. That's going to be a
permanent impact. And then the temporary impact in purple here that you have shown, what what does that consist of? What kind of is that is that where you're staging stuff for layown? Are we talking about where machines have to go
in and work? What are we talking about temporary impact over there? I just like to get an idea of that. >> Yep. So those temporary impact areas, they're not lay down areas. Those are really areas where machines going to be digging out the existing sidewalk and pavement. Um, and then those areas will basically be replaced back to either uh
sidewalk or uh lom and seed where we have to grade and meet back in. Um, so it's no lay down areas. It's really just uh places where equipment will be digging out those areas, putting in new sidewalk um and then finishing off at back a sidewalk with lman seed to meet the existing um vegetation there.
>> Okay. Um my next question is you said you were going to be putting in catch basins. Um my first question is have you looked at what the thresholds are for cleanouts during collection and have you
set up a catchbasin inspection frequency to adhere to what the designed intent of these catch basins are? Have you submitted that? I didn't see something for that for some reason. I believe it was in our storm water report. There normally is a maintenance agreement that that you do with uh the town at Mass
DOT. >> Okay. So, it was more it was more of a I gotcha. Okay. Um what is the frequency of the inspection that you're going to be doing for these basins because they tend to get clogged up and then we're running over and we
have storm water that is just uncontrolled, unchecked running into our riverfront area. So, I'm just curious. I I just want to make sure that we're going to be actively cleaning these out um for this. >> Yeah. So, our standard is that the um cash bases are cleaned out and or excuse
me, they are inspected annually and they are cleaned out on an asne basis. So, it is determined by whoever's inspecting to clean it out if needed. >> Okay. Um, I'd like to see it a little more frequent than that just because of where the road is and the how much gets built
up in that area. Especially concerned I'm concerned about where it is and how much sediment it's going to pick up. You're catching a lot of debris that gets pushed down from Everett uh all through when there's plowing to you name it. It's just a very heavily traveled
road and a lot of debris will definitely get caught up, especially the rain and flood events that we could potentially have. Not on that bridge, but um it just gets all over. It gets to be a mess. So, I'd like to up that to maybe by annual at the very least and then have some
have a more robust or maybe shorten the amount of sediment collection. These are designed for what? 6 in, seven inches of sediment collection before they should be cleaned out before it becomes a real problem. Could we reduce it to five?
Okay, that'd be great. Um, so that's that's some of the questions that I have. The other questions I'm concerned about because of where you're doing the construction is where the actual layown area is. Have you defined that on any of the presentation or can you go to a slide of the overlay and show us where
that's going to be? I don't I don't know if you guys are going to use some of the Cronin rink that's adjacent to the property. That's very large parking lot and if staged correctly, you can probably use it, but I'd be curious where in this area you're going to do that. It's pretty densely settled.
>> Yeah. So, since we don't have a contractor yet, we can't specify exactly where they're going to lay down their equipment. Um, but you can place in the order of conditions where you don't want lay down area specific to be. >> Nothing in the riverfront for sure. >> Yes, that's that's >> not yet. I don't want to impact that.
But on the other side, it doesn't really give you much opportunity because of how short the the uptake onto Route 16 off of Broadway is on that ramp there. So, it's kind of decorative and I'd really like to not see something like that get damaged. >> Yep. Yeah, 100%. Um, but I would
definitely say in the order conditions, definitely specify where not to have lay down areas. Um, and that'll we'll make sure the contractor definitely adheres to that because it's in the order of conditions. Um, and again, if you guys come on site, because there's obviously probably gonna be a sight inspection once setting control barriers are in place. If you see if you you can ask the
contractor where they're asking to do a layown area and there could be a conversation whether it's appropriate or not. >> So, have you started the subcontractor bid process yet? >> Not yet. No. >> Okay. When is that going to start? >> It's going to have to happen after we get an order of conditions. Yeah, we have to have the order of conditions in order to go out to bid.
>> Okay. You're waiting on me then, huh? I guess. All right. Listen, at this time I'd like to open up to some of the other commissioners um for any questions. >> You Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Quick point of information, that bike lane, it's only on the Broadway. It's not on the overpass. Correct.
>> Correct. Yeah, it's only it's only on Broadway. >> Yeah. And the other question, and I I mentioned it to the gentleman that was at the site. Uh the houses on the west side of Broadway, I mentioned I I I've known from past experience that they do
uh get flooded uh pretty regularly. Some of it might be coming from the runoff from the basically the hills in the background. And I was wondering just what is the elevation in this property? Is this from Chelsea Creek over? Is it in the is it
in the flood plane? Is it in the 100redyear flood plane? >> Yeah. So the um I'll just pull up we actually have a sheet on that about >> I saw an e something or >> yeah so only basically the uh southern side of Broadway basically on re
chargeway which I have up here on the screen um the cyan pink line there is the current um FEMA flood zone it's elevation 10 there um so everything to the south of that line would be within that elevation 10 uh 100redyear flood
plane Um, and we're actually not decreasing um, flood storage in this location. We're actually increasing, I think, by 148 uh, cubic feet. Um, and that's just because we are getting rid of some of the islands in this location. And we're
also um, ramping down some of the sidewalks, which will basically equal to the it's very minimal flood storage gain, but it's it's a small it's a small amount. >> And I'm sorry, Brian, did you one last thing? I I just popped into my mind. There was some nice rather large
secondderee uh trees in that area too. I'm hoping we're not going to lose any of them. >> They're on the perimeter of the landscape and then and I don't know whether you're reducing those. A lot of the a lot of the vegetation that's on the slope is of not really much
consequence, but there's a whole line of rather large trees that evidently at one point they were attempted to put on almost right next to the road itself. and they've grown pretty substantial over time. I hate to lose them.
>> Yeah. So, most of the smaller trees that are being removed, um I don't know if you can see on the screen behind you, I have a laser pointer. So, it's going to be in this area right here, this area here, this area here, and this area here is where a lot of those, it's basically where you, if you look right next to the
bridge abutments, which is the foundation of the bridge, you'll see a lot of overgrowth there. That's the remainder of a lot of the trees. A lot of them are a foot in diameter or smaller in those sections. Um we are keeping almost all of the larger trees along this area. There is one tree um
just right in front right here that is being removed. I believe it is a 24in deciduous tree that's being removed. Um it's really just right on the corner right here that's being removed. But again, as I said, we are
replacing that one big size tree is being replaced with um we're proposing uh two sugar maples, I believe, three sugar maples. >> What size are you are they are they are we getting two inch stitches or we getting six? >> Yeah. Right. Right now, right now they're proposed to be between two and
two and a half inch caliber trees. >> Yeah, I think we can. >> We can definitely speak to Mass Dut about that. >> I I would appreciate that. We're we're gonna we'd like to get this back and looking how it should be a little bit quicker. If we could get maybe a six inch starter, something a little more
robust. I know they're not as prone to um fading away two inch two inches. I've seen those die by the by the dozens when you do plantings and then you get the tree insurance so to speak. Let's not be that. Let's make sure we put something substantial enough. >> That's a simple ask for us just to
increase the diameter. It's a simple change. >> Appreciate it. And I would ask to the chair um if it's possible in the order of conditions in regards to the landscaping. Um this this bridge isn't it it is a bridge at the end of the day, but it's also the gateway to our city. So as people come in leaving Chelsea or
even getting off the highway, it's a big welcome to River sign. It's coming in and for the life of ever, the brush that's been up there just basically traps trash bags and just garbage. And it's never looked good. And as that's my
way home, you know, I drive by it and I've driven by it for over a decade thinking in my head, I wish someone for some reason would landscape this area. It's never happened. So leaving the trees obviously, but there's so much brush there that just looks terrible. If
there's any way, and if we can all be aligned on this, people being able to have it that the bridge is something that def desperately needs to be repaired. I think it would be nice to as kind of to the city, to the residents, the people that come through if that area, especially with, you know, because you can't see anything on these plants.
It's just black and white. But if you were able to have some sort of a vision of the brush gone and whether it's just landscaped or mulch or whatever it is, just somehow where it just looks infinitely better. And I don't think it would be that expensive to do because it's not there aren't bushes or things
just even if it's flat, but the ability for it that it just doesn't trap garbage on that whole side to the right and then to that left is just all it's just all trash and it's and some of that trash probably dates back to the Clinton administration. So, um, anything that
you guys can do would be greatly appreciated. I don't know if there's something that you've thought of on that. >> Yes. So, just to even replace the bridge, all that's going to have to be ripped out anyways. So, we're getting proposing clearing, grubbing for a large section next to those big concrete abutments that you're seeing, and they go pretty far back. Um, so that's all
going to be ripped out. And right now, we're proposing to replace just with lom and seed on there, which it'll just be grass. Um, and I know we've also have um in here that we're going to do some invasive species um treatment basically in that area. Also, >> when was this slated to begin and and
end? >> I believe it's slated 2020. I believe it's 2026. I believe it's supposed to be technically go out to bid this year but construction probably might not start or stage might start till next year 2027. >> And how long is the project going to take place? >> It's three years. So it's going to be in
three stages. >> Okay. So for each stage as far as for um a timeline for just traffic will it be reducing the lanes from two to one? >> So on uh Riveridge Parkway it'll be remain always at least two lanes in each direction. Okay. Um, so the way the
staging works is the northbound side of the bridge will be done first and basically they'll they'll destroy the center median of the bridge and the two lanes will basically shift over. So it'll be two lanes in each direction on the southbound side. Then what they'll do is they'll move that that um other
lane back to the finished part and they'll do the middle part of the bridge and then they'll take that other lane and move it to the northbound side and they'll do the southbound side. So it'll it's that that'll be the three construction uh stages along with that last stage will also be stage four which will be um Broadway.
>> Got it. >> So that's how the construction staging kind of works. So but always on Broadway will always remain the same because again we're really only doing curb to curb work in this area. There might be a reduction from there's a currently like a bus lane that's kind of in that that might be reduced to put it upstaging to
do the sidewalk work. Um, but other than that, uh, Riverview Reach Parkway will remain two lanes each direction through the whole construction phasing. >> And just for your own knowledge, I've I've reached out to some of people in my ward and ask them about this project. And there's two things that have come up that if you can be able to help to
mitigate any issues. One obviously being traffic. So, if you have the two lanes, I would start that as bullet point one. The other question that people had was about the bike lanes, which um, I found more and more people do not want. Um, how much is that going to impact that street? Is is it a lot of the street
that it's coming up? Because that area to pull drive on Broadway, the two cars, they're pretty much right there. Is it If it's impacting the sidewalk, that's not a big deal. But if it's impacting the street to make it more difficult for two cars next to each other, one to go up near Cone and to the left, and the
other one to stay straight to go towards Chelsea. Um, if a bike lane's going to be there and impact that, that's going to cause a lot of people to be upset. >> Yeah. No. So, the um it's hard to see on this plan, but if you look at the plans we gave you a little bit closer, um you'll see a gray line underneath the curb line basically. And we're not
really changing the curb to curb width um under under the bridge basically on Broadway. Basically, the bike lane is going to be starting at the current curb width and then it's going to go the 5ft bike lane and then a 5ft sidewalk. So, we're really just stealing a little bit from the back side of the existing sidewalk in that area,
>> but will not impact the two lanes at all. You believe? Well, that there is a bus lane going through under >> Sure. No, no, that's totally fine. No one's going to say anything about the bus lanes. It's the It's the bike lanes that everyone legitimately hates with the >> You know, the bike lane the bike lanes aren't going to affect the uh vehicular
cross slope of or cross-section of the roadway. So, basically under the bridge, I believe, will be a lane in each direction with a bus lane in each direction. >> Got it. Okay. I just had to ask that because when I'm asked questions about a project like this, I have to be able to reiterate to them. So, you've answered my questions, especially with the
vegetation, the landscaping, and that all being ripped out. So, hallelujah. So, good luck to you guys on on your project. >> Thank you. >> Um, I have one more question about the invasive stuff. Uh, real quick, um, when you do the lay down with the lom and put your seed down, would it be possible to
put that lattice type structure so when fragmitees inherently are going to get back into that area that when they start to try and perpetuate themselves, the it'll get choked out and the seeds that drop will ultimately get starved out and
they can't go back through. So, I'd like to get some kind of like lattice. What? I can't remember. >> Like the juke mesh type that goes over it like kind of what we use for state for uh slope stabilization. >> Correct. >> And we do have a slope and an embankment
that it could foster the soil being a little bit more stabilized. But a secondary thing will be that we're not going to get those invasive species coming back from down river. And if they do, they're not going to last very long because they won't be able to root after about four years or so after you get
that first year of propagation with them. So, I'd love to see that added to our landscaping plan over there to to uh Commissioner Averbach's point to foster it looking nice when we enter into our city. Um, it's been a long time and
people have definitely been looking at this bridge as an eyesore driving into the city. Um, you know, I know funding might not have been there to maintain it uh, you know, throughout the years and we could have definitely had instead of a full-scale gut and, you know, rip and
put it back, we could have had a mitigated uh, very much less um, repair. So, that's kind of why I want the frequency of the catch basins to be a little bit more robust. I wanted the management of that bridge to be a little
more robust considering where it's located adjacent and in the buffer zone of this of this river. So, um I know we just we have an opportunity to do better and there's few little minor things that I'd like to make sure happens if we're
going to do this. Um questions from any of the other commissioners. Uh question in regards to the new uh 16 new drains and you say are they inspected annually and if they need to be served you you do it as needed. Are there any
I see a lot of plastic end up in the wetlands and in the rivers and like are there any innovations of how we can catch it at these points or anything? Are you aware or anything like that >> when it comes because if you look when we were there in the walk we saw the
other side full fil of plastic and filled and most of it is probably when it rains everything is taken down and it goes through those drains. I want I was wondering if there are any pilots programs or anything that is being done and because I I've been curious about
something like that to avoid the amount of plastic going into the wetlands and contamination happening. Have you heard anything? Yeah, I haven't heard anything about specific systems or um or programs in place for specific types of debris um
like you've mentioned plastics, but this is something that we can definitely look into and can reach out to you for further information on I'd be very interested on that and something that we can maybe like I would like to see something here in the city. I wouldn't mind if everyone agreed but uh that's something
with the cleanup I think especially we are so close to the um where the water drains out more like cleaning up constantly to avoid the amount of plastic going in there and contamination. >> Thank you. >> Any rules?
Um, so rather than us tell you where you can't put lay down in equipment storage, when you sign up your contractor, can you have them reach out to us with where they intend to do it and we can bless that because I don't walking the site. I mean, there are no areas. So, >> yeah, that that was my biggest concern
about where your millings are going to go, where the equipment's being stored, all that. So, once you get a contractor on board, if they could reach out, we can bless that rather than us saying, "Don't put it here." >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean Cron is fine but that's
also river area. >> Oh like like set up like sedimentary controls fence all that >> whatever they need they just need to come to us and say this is what we're going to do. >> I I agree with that. I I agree. And it it kind of doesn't limit you. It kind of just gives us the ultimate this is where
it can go. Um, >> I think if you put in your order and conditions cuz because obviously when they're going to have to put all the sediment control barriers in place before any type of work starts. So, I think if you guys put in your order conditions that you want them to show you during that that site inspection where the layown area is going to be, I
I think that's sufficient. And then I think that might be the way for them a for you have to check the set of control barriers, silt sacks, >> and then also to make sure that the layown area is appropriate. >> Yeah. No, it's it's an opportunity to engage and kind of look at their operation as well. just make sure you know we're you're checking them out, but
you know, we we'd like to as well. Um, >> just one more point. Um, you guys are connecting to a lot of existing culverts and piping. Uh, verify condition of those culverts and piping. If something's collapsed, damage beyond use, then it needs to be replaced.
>> Yeah, I know we're carrying a lot of uh pipe items because I know that we are looking to replace uh a good section of the existing trunk line in that area. um not going right to the outfalls of them but I know there is within within the project limits basically we are looking at trunk line replacement in some areas
>> good >> thanks Mr. Jam. Um, it's I want to follow up on his question about existing infrastructure. Why why not take the opportunity to replace everything the outfalls and have new rip wrap put down towards the out outfalls or make sure
that the out that the outfalls are higher than the tide if they're not already higher than the tide over there. >> I think it came down to basically the scope of the project and the funding for the project since it started out as a bridge specific project. Um it just started off that way and the whole
purpose of the need was that this bridge was an emergency repair. Basically it needed to be repaired and so I think pushing forward was just getting the bridge done. Um and then through that it also included the ramps coming down to Broadway and that's just kind of where the scope of the project was. And then we basically came in later just to make
a lot of these drainage updates just within what was the scope of the project and what was able to be funded for this bridge specifically. Do we know is is there any type of infiltration system going to be a part of this project or is that not something you can do? >> I think right now we're just doing deep
sump catch basins. >> So wi with those basins and I' I'd like to hop on what the other guys are saying that they are a nightmare to clean out. So you know you can't use a setco. You probably probably have to use a vac to get there and and suck it out. And if
they are not properly maintained they easily get clogged. And I don't know, and I guess this is a question to the chairman. I don't know if we can put that in the order of conditions that maybe they clean them twice a year and inspect them four times a year. So an inspection once every quarter and then I
guess they don't have maybe it's twice. So when you're not cleaning it out, do you do opposite inspections and opposite cleanings? But is that something we can require them to do? >> I think >> it's imperative. I I mean it's >> I agree and and I think upping the inspection frequency helps, but I think
the threshold of sedimentation collected would be a better um so you can inspect four times a year and it doesn't no sediment builds up and there's no need to clean it out, but at least you know. So I I I mean I'd be
open to upping inspection frequency and hitting that 5 in sedimentation in it just to make sure. Um, like I said, we want to make sure we get as much life out of this bridge as we possibly can. Uh, considering if doing a a reboot of this bridge with minimal layown in the
riverfront, we want to try not to have to do this for another at least 50 years. So, um, if you'd be open to that, we could add that to the order of conditions, up the inspection frequency to quarterly, and if it meets the threshold, clean out. That'll work. if
that's acceptable. >> That thanks. And then when it comes to um plowing, I I I'm guessing that the state is also going to be dealing with taking care of that in terms of treating. What types of things are we doing to reduce the salt that's going to
run off now that you know, so there'll be no infiltration. The salt dissolves, it's going to have a straight shot into the creek. So I don't and I understand that you guys have to salt. Safety first. I'm not advocating not to salt, but I didn't know if there were any other measures that you guys might take.
Maybe salt brine before a storm to pre-treat, things like that. >> So, that specific stuff is just going to be based on your district maintenance. Um, we just have no control over that. Like, I only have control what happens during construction and design up to construction. Um, so any way for them to
treat the like either route 16 or the offramps basically as it goes through there is just going to be something you might have to contact your district maintenance mass district maintenance because I I just there's nothing I can make them basically do because it's it's district by district maintenance shed by maintenance shed basis. One last thing
and and I I really feel this doesn't fall under our purview, but it's a safety question and I I personally do not care for bike lanes, but are the bike lanes going to go over any of the catch basins? And if so, are the catch basin uh grates, you know, properly?
There are certain grates that that make good sense for bikes to ride over and there are some that are not. >> Yeah. So, the uh there is no catch basins that are actually in the bike lane itself. the bike lane's actually raised off of the roadway surface. Um, but there we all we are also installing
the appropriate catch basin uh covers and grates. It's not the ones that like like you said it's the suicide covers where it has slates in the wrong direction. No, there it's it's the more the honeycomb type looking uh frame and great. >> Any opposition from our any of the commissioners for this? I know this is
something that needs to happen. It's kind of something that has been in dire need for a little while. That's been that infrastructure has definitely seen better days. Um I remember that not looking so hot when I was coming out of there from the Cronin rink as a kid. So um just want to make sure there's no
opposition from commissioners with this. Okay. All right. Um doesn't look anyone's going to be opposing in the crowd. So and no other questions from the commissioners at this time. Excellent. All right. Uh motion to close out the hearing then.
>> Motion to close out the hearing. >> Second. >> I second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> Okay. Um I appreciate you working with us to up the inspection frequency. I
appreciate the um doing better with the starter trees that we have in that area. putting some lattice work in there to stop the fragmitees from happening in that area. Basically trying to enhance the gateway of river as one of our commissions so
eloquently put it. Um because it is from that side of the of Broadway. So um and I definitely think that it's going to be an enhancement to the community to do this project. So at this time I'd like to put it out and we'll wrap up order of conditions to approve this notice of
intent. Call for a motion. make a motion for approving the notice of intent. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I I >> Thank you very much. Uh we we'll be following up. Um we'll we can get an updated plans uh from you guys or
updated inspection frequencies, tree agreements, things of that nature. And uh we'll we'll get the um ball rolling so that D can look at it and see what they say. They'll probably want to say something, but who knows? Um, but I wish you the best of luck in that part of the
process. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Um, next up, we uh missed missed a step. So, we need to uh approve the meeting minutes from uh last time. So, I apologize to all of our commissioners. Uh any additions,
changes, comments? All right. Uh if hearing none, I uh like to call for a motion to approve last uh meeting minutes. Make a motion to approve the meeting minutes. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I.
>> Um, okay. That is done and done. >> All right. Next up, uh, this is was for an emergency order of conditions. Uh, this is a report of an incident and mitigation at the Point of Plyines Yacht
Club. Uh, two sink holes were caused during construction. I in my humble opinion think it was just one, but um I'll let you guys explain what happened so we can get this all on the record. And don't forget your mics. I'm sorry.
>> Presentation. >> Perfect. Uh, >> I'll just wait back. Oh, there's more there. Here we go. >> Yep. >> Anybody else? >> Anybody like >> everybody good? >> Okay. All right.
Uh, well, good evening everyone. My name is Alejandro Alvarez. I'm the construction coordinator for the section 56 project that's uh between going on between Lynn and River. Uh we're staged at the Point of Pines Yacht Club. Um I want to thank the commission for having
us tonight. Um and thank you for the help with the emergency order. Um really appreciate it. Um and basically that's I also have with myself I work for the MWR as the construction coordinator. I also have
>> Oh, sorry. uh Jennifer Doyle Breen from AECOM. So AECOM provided um design and permitting for this project and also we're providing resident engineer oversight during construction and also go ahead Ted >> Theodore Cedus from ACOM resident
engineer for the project. >> Okay, great. So um so I'll take it away. So again, we just have a couple slides. You know, um, as the chair mentioned, I think there's been some familiarity with what's going on in the project. So on the interest of time, we have a we do
have a couple slides. Let me see how this is going to work. Oh, there we go. Great. Um, so I'm not going to read everything on the handouts, but we're happy to go back to anything. Um, I just thought we'd go over this fairly quickly. So, as Alejandro mentioned, um
the project involves the replacement of the water man that used to be on the General Edwards Bridge. The water man is being installed instead under the river um using horizontal directional drill directional drilling. Um we completed the permitting back in
2024 and construction started a little bit um less than a year ago. Um, so we were in front of the commission obviously for our order of conditions. Um, so the project, the Point of Pines Yacht Club parking lot, um, as Alejandra
mentioned, is a staging area. It's being used to drive in the HDD pipe under the river. Essentially, the so the work is adjacent to Coastal Beach and the parking lot itself is in Barrier Beach, so it would be classified as Coastal
Dune. Um, and then there's NHSP estimated habitat sort of right at the edge of the parking lot. Um, so the pipe is going essentially under the beach and under the NHSP habitat.
So, uh, oops, there we go. So, this this slide, the third slide here provides a lot of words here. This is essentially the timeline of various things that have happened in regard to the sink holes at the site. uh
in the last month. So um as was mentioned, there was a sinkhole that was found and uh both of them were found in March. The first one I'm going to show you some pictures in a minute. Uh the
first one happened when it happened, we our team felt like it was a definite public safety hazard, so it was filled pretty quickly. Um the second one we had a little bit more time to deal with and so we were able to coordinate with the conservation commission before doing any
work. There was an emergency order issued on March 13th as was mentioned. After the order was issued, there was an additional um issue found at the site, which is that the pipe casing that was
being driven under the beach had a break in a weld joint. And so there was essentially a broken casing under the beach and it could not the only way to access it was to excavate in the estimated habitat and in in the beach area. Um, so again, uh, our st our staff, our project team here coordinated
with the conservation commission about that as well. And then I just have a couple of photos and then we Okay, so here's the first sinkhole. Um, it was discovered on March 9th. Um, as I indicated, it was filled really quickly.
We did call the con conserva our team called the conservation commission um office but it was filled right away before anybody from the commission was able to get out there because we did feel like it was a very um strong public safety issue which was
confirmed by the fire chief. The um so the photos on the left are the original sinkhole. the photos on the right, the top one was the original filling that was done with the material that was had been excavated. After having done that,
it the commission brought to our attention that there needed to be approved sand used. So, um, MWA worked with the DBW and the conservation commission chair to get the sand approved and then the top foot of that
original sinkhole was re-exavated and filled with the approved sand. Uh sinkhole number two was found shortly after sinkhole number one. It was smaller. It was not in a area that we felt was as prone to accidental pe
people accidentally walking over it. So this one uh we had already you know made contact with the with the conservation commission. So we waited to fill this one until um the conservation commission staff were able to come out and look at it. And so it was filled with the
approved sand on March 26th and that was actually after the emergency order was issued. And then the final issue uh these these photos show the trench box. So um this is what I mentioned that the weld in the
uh pipe structure essentially just let go broke and we had to go in there and excavate it out. Uh this was also coordinated with the DPW and um I believe the chair of the conservation commission came out to look at it. This happened I think the afternoon after the
emergency order was issued. So the emergency order doesn't actually include this specifically. It is um I believe outside of the beach, but it would be within the barrier beach. So within the coastal dune. So, that was just one thing we wanted to confirm, you know,
whether or not there needs to be any other written authorization for this repair, which already has occurred. Um, as you can see on in the photo on the right, that was again back filled with the approved sand approved by the DPW. Um, and we also did coordinate with
NHSP. This work um is in actually all three pieces the sinkhole one two and this work were all in NHSP estimated habitat and we coordinated directly with them and we got email approval and that's all I have. Like I said I'm h we're happy to talk about anything else
but I know many of you have been to the site and are familiar with the issues. So stop there. >> Um I just want to say thank you for the transparency, the quickness. I know you guys jumped the gun the first time around but and I get it. it it happens.
Um, but I I definitely appreciate the communication throughout the process and um, as regarding the trench box and the weld that you guys had to make that emergency repair, it was well within the um, the work area. So that that you had
already been permitted for. So where you do the work is of no consequence as long as you're adhering to those restrictions or those orders of conditions that we have placed upon the project for you guys. So that's >> it's not something that I want to come
out and stop a project because we need to repermit because you're not in exactly the five foot, you know, whatever area, right? Um but yeah, no when we went down I I could definitely see how much that weld it was almost 40
to 50% of the entirety of the di of the circumference of the um weld. So that was a substantial repair that needed to be made. So I and Chris had you know Chris Chararma the uh superintendent of the DPW has a lot more experience with
those subterranean excavations and with his experience I definitely felt comfortable saying to move it back into where it needed to. Um, I guess my only question is how's it going and where what are we looking at timelinewise and
how I just kind of want to make sure that we're not um going to cut bait at this point and start applying for our dredging permit for this. I really I'd really like to avoid that in the Sagas River. this was a great alternative to
dredging and the disturbance that that would create and the permitting nightmare it would potentially be for the MWR. So, where are we? >> Yes, sir. Uh, thank you so much, Chair. Appreciate uh you working with us as well as everybody here um coming out on
Saturday and and and seeing the sink holes and talking about it. We really appreciate that. Uh to answer your question on uh the dredging part, uh that's not our intent right now. Basically, the casing has been moved over. We made the repair to the weld and
we're back in our original location. So, the box isn't back in the original location. Um, today we actually have put the um machine back uh the drill rig, it's back in the right location where it needs to be. And tomorrow, we actually hope uh to start with uh pilot
operations. So that's the first part to the whole uh madness of the HTD which is you know basically nine and a quarter inch uh drilling across getting out on the lind side and then we have two ream passes and then uh a two swab passes which will be enlarging the hole up to
42 in. So then at that point the pullback will happen um from the lind side will be pulled uh you know to the river side and then pressure tested uh major and to answer the long the long question that everybody keeps asking
about is uh right now based off of schedule we have um our agreement kind of with uh the point of pines yaw club till June 30th uh at at the moment um we're trying to finish that actually before then um there has been that that also includes includes the above ground
surface work that needs to be done connecting the right. So, you know, um hopefully as nothing continues to go wrong or anything like that, um you know, our drilling operations, it looks like at the end of May is when we should be done with the drilling and then, you
know, it's about another uh month or so to do the final connection. So, >> pull back all that. >> That's and we can keep you up to date, you know. >> Yeah, that'd be great. I' I'd just like to keep um if you wouldn't mind just more regular updates just about the process, how it's going. Um it is
definitely I and I know Bond is great and they've got a great record for this type of work and whatnot. Um I think they'll probably think twice about coming in and HDD in uh glacial uh sediment. So um Oh, lovely. The engine
works. How about the horn? >> Yeah. >> Awesome. So anyhow, um, any other questions from the commissioners about this project? Con, >> considering this is the the second spot, how confident are you that this is you're good where this is being done and
that this is it? And, you know, because I know you said June 30th was the drop dead date of when they were allowing you. >> Just kind of wondering in your estimation, is this it? You're good. You're confident this is the spot. >> So, so to to answer your question, I mean, it's kind of a double- loaded
question. Um to be honest with you, we moved over 10 ft. We've looked we're actually raised the profile of the pipeline to be in a different layer that's not as cobbly boulders cuz you know the the big issue that they were having originally with the alignment is
that you're kind of um you're going from soft sand with low blow counts. So trying steerability is very difficult to going through gravel areas. So, we've made some adjustments to basically bring the alignment up and, you know, basically try to make it across. That's
that's our goal. >> I I understand what you said. Makes total sense. With that still being said, for the people that this is affecting, they just probably would want just more of a better idea of how confident you are. Let's say a scale of 1 to 10, how do you feel?
>> How do I feel? I I feel >> that's a question for Bond, I think. But yes, >> it's very difficult. I mean, myself seeing what they've set up and seeing where we're going through, uh, I'm feeling like, you know, at least a seven, you know, on a on a scale. >> Okay. >> I I just had to ask. >> Yeah. No, understandable. I I appreciate
it. >> All right. Um, thank you very much. I appreciate that. Um, go ahead. >> Uh, you know, it it occurred to me that, uh, you people are going to be working now with more frequency of the lobster boats going up and down the river. Now,
uh, at low tide, that channel can get pretty shallow. That won't have any effect on your boring your drilling at all, would it? >> No, we're we're actually below the uh bed of the the surface on the water. Actually, we're going to be almost uh 35
ft below um the actual bottom of the ocean. So, we're we're in the mud way further down. So, we're not near the actual um you know, water line or anything like that. So, appreciate the question. Uh so we walked on site Saturday and uh
there was no erosion control set up, no catch basin, silt sacks, anything like that. So it's kind of >> my computer. Yeah, we do have some photos that the erosion controls have been put in and the catch basin inserts and I can hook my computer back up and uh we have a couple photos of that.
>> I know the site was in a little bit of a state of flux for a good couple weeks, but um yeah, it's good to Thank you. So there it is. Yeah. So here's um silt
sock right uh along the edge here and also along the beach area and there. Whoops. This is not cooperating. There we go. And there are the catch basin insert. So yeah, they've all been um that was
definitely a valid point that um I heard was raised when the commission was out there. And so we right away coordinated with Bond to get that taken care of. >> They replaced on Monday morning. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, Mr. Chairman. I I love a nice
sinkhole, especially if it gets the guys overtime and nobody gets hurt, which seems like that's what happened. What how confident are we that uh we're not going to have another one in the near future? I I understand it's going to happen and I know this was a concern when the project originally started and
construction sometimes leads to that, but how how are you thinking on a future sinkhole in the next few days or by the time you guys get done? >> Yeah. Um to answer that question, uh it was it was done on regular time. It was during work time. No overtime. So, I just want to throw that out there. Um
and that was the uh the whole reason for the conductor casing. It's a 54in conductor casing that actually uh expands out to 50 ft um at the angle of 12 1/2°. So, um the the first sinkhole um basically we we hit something that
was in the way that when we were in inserting the conductor casing and we had to do some u vacuum um vacuuming of the inside almost similar to like the catch basin that you were talking about that type of machine and we basically what was happening it was over there was no face it was over excavated when once
you pass the conductor casing so that's why the first sinkhole happened um so to to answer the question I can't say that it's it's not going to happen. But we're pretty confident with the conductor casing being in, we're not, you know, hammering anymore. We have a washover
casing that's actually going to be going over the pilot bit. So, all that stuff is to alleviate um having a future sinkhole. Everything we can possibly do to do that, that's that's what we're trying to do. >> And while we're on the topic of sinkholes, are are we at all concerned
about the pipe causing any sink holes in the near future? pipe breaks, causes a sinkhole it or have you gone and looked and and I'm assuming you guys checked the integrity of the the pipe from time to time during the process, camera it or something like that?
>> So, so the pipe actually has been um assembled. It's it's on the lin side right now. Um you actually it's it's DR11. It's actually 3-in thick walls. Um so when you look at this pipe, it's very very thick. It's very heavy. Um it's been filled pressure tested prior. Um it
gets inspected. all the joints have been inspected because it's fused together. Um so you know before that that the biggest thing about this project is it's tested above ground then it gets pulled back and it's actually retested again um
just capped off on both sides. retested once it get pulled underneath the ocean um on both sides. And then from there it gets hooked up to the main line that we have the existing uh the new and existing main line that's running section 56 and it actually gets pressure
tested again. So it's going to actually go through three pressure tests. Um you know and that's that's pretty much uh our standard on on this HDD part. What since you're here, what happens 10, 15 years down the road and the pipe
does break and it and it and it breaks in the middle of the Sus River. >> I mean, we have gate valves that isolate the the section. Um, you know, so every about every thousand feet we usually install a gate valve. So, there's always um just kind of a little background on how water works. For us, it's you know,
you have a you know, two gate valves. So, you can always isolate, you can always dewater, there's a blowoff it's called, and then there's an air valve. So that way the pipe doesn't collapse when you're dewatering. So we're able to isolate and at that point if that happens we would you know it would have to be something that would be assessed
whether I I can't speak to that because I don't know but it's I'm just Yeah. It's a good question though. >> Curious is it is it uh is it selfactivated because of pressure? If the if you if they notice a pressure boom it doesn't >> for sure. Yeah. So I've been in situations you've probably seen where
water manes have broken. Um you know we do do transmission mains. So they're, you know, um anywhere from 24 to 60in pipes. Um so you you do see um inside like basically tanks dropping stuff there. It it's all monitored by um
operations. So they're able to find um when there's leaks and stuff like that if you know based off of grade lines, pressure and and kind of along those lines. So it is monitored um and they are really good at what they do at the operations part of this. So, thank you
for the questions and thank you for everybody's time. Appreciate it. >> Appreciate it, guys. Uh, thank you very much. And, uh, we'll definitely be following up uh, to make sure things are progressing nicely and, um, any updates um, any successes. We'd love to hear
them. >> Absolutely. It'd be our pleasure. So, thank you everyone for your time. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Excellent. Uh, next up is uh, D file number 061 080. This is uh for 37 River Beach Boulevard for a request for an
amendment of an current order of conditions uh because of the property now being designated out of the flood plane. >> Do you want to wait for your member to return or >> uh Oh, he's right. Yeah, he's right here. No. >> Oh, there he Okay. Sorry, everyone at
their own door. >> Proceed as planned, sir. >> Okay. Good evening everyone. Um, Peter Blazeell from Williams and Sparis. Uh, here representing uh, Beach Associates LLC. Um, sorry I missed you the other day. You were a little faster than, uh, I thought you were going to be. I almost
made it there and I had to turn around, but I understand everybody got a chance to see the site. Um, so I think everybody knows why we're here. Um, we had an order of conditions issued uh, May 8th of 2023. um for a proposed multif family residential uh mixed use.
Um the site uh does have uh one existing jurisdictional area on the site um still which is 100 ft to the um zone ve so it's the coastal beach. Um why we're actually here is that um the map that was in place when we were permitting
last time showed that the that the building was entirely within a flood zone A and E. Um since that time um they filed a a letter of map amendment sorry letter of map uh revision and they took the entire parcel out of the flood zone.
So the reason that's important to us and why we had to do this is that um you've probably seen up and down the beach uh national grid will not deliver a uh a transformer uh to a transformer that's within a flood zone. It has to be elevated up above it. So the reason we had to do this is that um we have to get
that language removed from the order of conditions and then what that'll allow is that for national grid once they have that information and see the new order of conditions they can then bring and set the uh transformer and a pad right on the ground since we're no longer in the flood zone. Um we are still extended. So the order is um currently
going to be extended until uh May 8th, 2028. So, um, with that, um, if you have any questions, uh, you probably saw that the building is, um, under construction, >> so please feel free to fire away if you have any questions. >> So,
I completely understand about the transformer. Um, I mean, considering where you are, I think it would be prudent to keep some of this, you know, the watertight part of it. I mean, maybe not completely omit, but I don't know. I
I just look at this considering where it is why it would want to be completely removed. Um but I I get from the uh transformer aspect of it and for national grid to be able to put in a power service for the building. Um what
is the current elevation considered now and then where do you fall in that and what part of the project? >> So it's actually um I apologize my loud voice comes in handy. Um, so it used to be that there was two flood zones essentially running
um right through. >> Yeah, >> I I brought this up about a year or two ago with Nick and Chris. We were looking at the city GI doesn't look right here and I said you're right. Um, so actually the the flood zone now is technically
kind of across the street down in the MTA. So, I think it's a tricky little area because there are areas that flood sooner than others. Um, and I believe it's down to elevation. I think it's either six or seven, but it's not up in here. It's down across the street. Um,
there was a project across the street recently that u Frankie actually wrote a lot too. I believe Frank is the city's flood plane coordinator. That's one of his hats. So he wrote a letter to across the street and he actually wrote a letter for this project too I believe or sent an email. I don't know if you have
it sent it to you if you haven't seen it but it's it's we're we're no longer anywhere within the flood zone other than um you know the velocity zone is across the street at the base of the seaw wall. So the 100 foot um jurisdictional area is still through the
building which you have authority over >> even with the storm surge that could potentially come in. and they're still okay with you still put putting the transformer way that you have it set up. >> So, if the if the storm did surge here, it would have to come, you know, over
the wall um over the over the road past the building and then down uh to the back. >> Yeah. >> Um you know, could happen. We've all been doing a long time. >> Anything could happen in this area, right? But technically, we have to
follow the FEMA maps and um and that's and that's why we're here. Okay. Um, so I don't know if you have a copy of the um the order, uh, but if you wouldn't mind reading into record exactly what you want us to omit from,
uh, this order to kind of help you with the transformer installation. And I didn't realize it was going to be more than one, but >> um, >> yeah, if you if you wouldn't mind, I have it here if you want, >> you know what, >> a copy of that. >> I I did not highlight that, but if if you if you have it, hang on one second. I think Ellen and I talked about it
which condition it was. >> There you have it. Oh, she's good. >> Thank you, L. Okay. >> All right. So, okay. So, we are in the section L of the special conditions for D file number 061080.
And the sections that we're looking to modify would be under 1D, which is that residential structures shall have the lowest floor, including basement or cellar elevated to above the 100-year elevation, or in the case of non-residentinal structures, be floodproof, watertight to the 100-year
level. Section E would be where flood proofing is allowed for a particular building, it shall be designed to be watertight below the 100-year flood elevation. 100-year flood level, excuse me. And the floodp proofing method shall be adequate to withstand the flood depths, pressures, velocities, impact, and uplift forces and other factors
associated with the 100year storm. And then section F, which is really why we're here, is air conditional units and oil filled transformers shall be elevated to a minimum of 1 ft above the level of the one 100year flood plane. So
in the past that um that transformer would have been up almost like 10 feet in the air in order to make that um comply with that. >> Thank you. >> Oh yes. Um so from Frank Stringy this
this came about the um transformer that we would definitely want it above what is a foot above of what it is currently designed to where it needs to be. So this is zone AE is now in a zone that
has a 2% annual chance of flood hazard up to a depth of less than 1 ft. Given this new flood zone revision is recommended that the transformer would be pad be elevated to at least one foot above present grade as a precautionary measure. So I I'd like for it to at
least be that in the amendment. >> You can use that language right from u Mr. Stringy and that would be fine. >> Yeah, that that would be something that I would be open to. Um and I'd like to open up to the commissioners if they have any questions. Tom,
>> how big is the transformer? >> Great question. I don't know the exact size of it. Um, do you want me to roughly scale it? >> I mean, it's not a huge building, so I could you not just pole mount one >> and avoid this all together. >> It's got to be a pad mount. >> Yeah, it's it's got to be a pad. So, um,
kind of like what? Um, >> no. Size size-wise, I meant um like KBA. >> Oh, I don't know. >> Sorry. I don't know. I don't know how big it's going to be. They don't usually give you that. Well, if it's a small enough transformer, they will
>> just Oh, I'm sorry. >> Yeah, I don't I don't know the the I'm sorry. I was I think always plan view. Uh I don't know the actual capacity of it or what it can buy. I I believe it's required mostly for the elevator and
that type of thing. Um, I would just say to the other commissioners, I I live very close to where this is and where you deal with the flood plane. I I'm the same situation. My house is um the closest house to the ocean actually in River
Beach. >> Oh, it is. >> So, um, what you deal with on that coast there, um, and I, it's basically my front yard is where you're going to be building what that is. There's a plot of land two lots over that was supposed to be a U-shaped hotel and is currently
just a pit. Lovely. It's a beautiful pit that's been sitting there for years. Um, and as someone who drives by that all the time, um, it's never flooded once or had any issues and you're the exact same level of where that is. You're just two
lots over. So, obviously any storm that would flood that, there'd be so many more issues over everything. But we yet have to be prepared 100red-year flood plane and and all of that as well. I would just state to, you know, for everyone else asking about the transformers and where it's being
placed. Um, for that area to flood, the devastation would have to be cataclysmic to get to that point. Um, and the other lot that has gone through many big storms, just like my home and just like that land, um, have yet to flood. So, I
feel confident that where you placed it and if it's put at, you'd say a foot. Is that where you're planning? >> Yeah, I believe I believe um they'll put it on a a 12-in pad >> that should be sufficient based upon what is required, but then also as
someone who just knows this area, having the same kind of flood plane that I'm in as well. So, just wanted to state that for those that may not be as familiar with the area. >> Thank you. And then also taking the designation or the language out that it says flood plane or whatever, right? Um
I it kind of fosters the that we are not you're this project is not in the flood plane. So I I get why you want to take those other two bullet points out. I would definitely advise being stringent over there in case, but um you know, I get I get why you want to
remove language, but it putting the other stuff putting what uh Frank Stringy advised in that amended order just to add to it. I think that would be something that would be pertinent. >> That would be great. >> Um any other questions?
Um, I don't really think this has a significant enough impact um in or significant enough change to make an impact on the environment. So, I would call for a motion to approve the amend amended order of conditions. >> I'll make a motion to approve the
amendment of order of conditions. >> Second. Excellent. All in favor? >> I I >> Thank you everybody. >> Thank you. I appreciate that. >> Thanks for the and thank you Hel. She was very helpful as usual. Uh so we have some continued business.
Uh this is D file number 0610856. Uh 76 to 82 River Beach Boulevard. Uh notice of intent for uh five lots, rise, mixed use, 80 units, restaurant, retail, and parking garages. Um so this we heard
this last time and we didn't correct me if I'm wrong, we didn't have a um file number at the time. Correct. >> That is correct. That's why we had to continue. Okay. Um, so I've had we've walked this down a couple times and I think it's definitely a very
well-designed project. Um, and considering the parking lot structure, the way you guys are directing the water up to the boulevard, I think that's a great addition. Uh, putting it in the DCR catch basins instead of ours. That's awesome. Uh, thank you for that. Um, but
I'd like to open up to the commissioners. Do you have any other questions about this project? Or now that we have an opportunity to close out the hearing before we do so, I'd like to give an opportunity for anybody else to ask any questions. >> I think one of the things that we mentioned at the last meeting, the the
only thing that was kind of a comment was just confirming that traffic on the boulevard won't be affected. that you mentioned that more than likely just for a day or two, but I just want to confirm that, you know, cuz if you had to do things sidewalk-wise, but I just want to make sure it's not going to be sub long-term effect on the boulevard for
traffic. >> So, as you know, we we have to submit a um pedestrian and a traffic management to DCR and um I just did, as a matter for the prior one, um I probably went through about three different um renditions of what they wanted. they and
they would, you know, send back and say, "We'll try this, try this to try to keep it as minimal as possible." >> Um, so luckily, I mean, there's we have Ocean A to work off of, which is also DCR. Um, we do have a fairly goodized sidewalk there. It's about 20 ft wide.
Um, I just don't know exactly what DCR is going to how they're going to want us to stage this, that type of thing. Certainly, this is a big it's a big construction. Um, there's going to be a lot of equipment, a lot of men, a lot of um, people working there, machinery. Um, so I'm not 100% sure what they're going to have us do yet. Um, typically what
they'll have us do um um for another project up uh closer to she's gone. Um closer up to the point of pines, they actually wanted us to um you know designate a 10-ft layown area, you know, in in uh on River Beach Parkway up
closer. I would assume they're going to want to do something similar, but um we have um standard traffic flow patterns that keep that keep everything moving. Um pedestrian management plans to keep people um you know crossing and getting away. I don't know exactly how long
that's going to take. Um I I would imagine it's going to be more than a couple of days. Um I certainly don't think that that's going to be done. We have to remove and replace that sidewalk and um change the um parkscaping to their new requirements, which I'm sure you've all seen. Um, so they're going to
they're going to ask us to change the um the front there um quite a bit with the with the curb lines, the planting areas and that type of thing. So, it's certainly going to have an effect. I just don't know exactly how long. >> All right. My my last question is when is Twist and Shake and Bill Ash's Lounge
scheduled for demolition? >> I'm not really sure. I I I know that when we were at site plan review um on Hang on a second, let me find my trusty date. March Third, uh the water, according to Anthony Galysia, who's the uh
superintendent of water, the twist and shake water has already been cut and capped. So, um it's certainly not going to come down until this commission issues an order of conditions. So, um once we get uh approval from from this board, um we still have to go to TCR and
then after that, then I guess we'd have to come up with a construction timeline, but I don't know exactly um when it is. Thank you. >> You're welcome. Just I I I know we've gone over this before, but I just want to clarify something for myself. Uh the the
drainage off coming off of the roof area. Right now, >> uh that's going to go on the boulevard side. You said >> it is um >> and then where does it go when it goes in the catch basins? >> Yeah. So, um I was a little I was I was a little um unsure of how to do this. So
I called Chris Charmela um and he actually it was sort of his idea. He said I'd rather see the drainage go out front rather than go on Ocean A because that just ends up in Sales Creek which has its own I'm sure Mr. Commissioner Abbeck will tell you Sales Creek is
where most of that flooding occurs. So um we ended up getting a conference call in with the DCR engineer who's in charge of the drainage there and he said he doesn't have any problem with taking the roof runoff and bringing it out to the front. So, it's my understanding now that the catch basins that are there,
they connected, they're interconnected, and then they discharge to um a a crush stone bed that's wrapped in filter fabric underneath the beach where nothing infiltrates better than beach sand. So, that's my understanding. >> Well, now see, this is where I have a
problem, and I'll tell you why. Down the other end of the beach, they did a very similar thing. >> Yeah. And I remember seeing those black sauna tubes on the beach side after a little bit of erosion being tossed all over the place. >> Well, >> I I don't know if I'm using the correct term. >> No, it's actually a really good term.
Um, you probably saw the black um probably the HD >> they were corrugated and they were >> Yeah, those are HDPE, but to your point, sauna tubes can look the same way. They just go under your deck usually. Um, so my understanding is that this this is below the ground a bit. So,
these don't these don't discharge through the face of the wall or anything like that. They're already exc they're already kind of like a subsurface chamber um underneath the beach. And I asked them straight out. I said that would be acceptable to you because a lot of that runoff now that's coming on goes to that same place. Anyways, the
only good part about this is there would be less runoff going across the sidewalk and going into the street. It would just go right underneath the ground. Now, um I still have to submit a I still have to submit a storm water report to them. I still have to get it approved. But um the engineer that I talked with
said he would be okay with it. >> And is it because one more thing um and it's because it's just want to make sure we reiterate this. It's because the roof that the roof water that is caught is considered clean by storm water
standards. That's kind of why that's why DCR kind of said yes, we'll take on your water. >> It doesn't need any pre-treatment. So it's considered clean by D. So, it doesn't have to get run through a um any type of cleaning system or anything like that to remove TSS. It's just rain water.
>> Um if you >> But a couple quick questions. I I do love keeping the the water off of the street, especially when it comes to winter. So, I think it's great that it's going to go off the roof. Yeah. >> And into the system, but who's on the hook on your end for making sure your system works continuously?
>> So, um DCR has a has a maintenance program that they follow. Um and it's my understanding that, um I'm sure you've seen the signs. Rapid Flow, I believe. Um, they jet out the lines every year and they clean them. >> I Well, I mean, your yours. So, >> Oh, I >> You guys will be inspecting them. The
roof gets clogged up and, you know, instead now you got water coming over the side of the roof as opposed to down the drain. >> So, technically, we we're going to write an operation and maintenance plan for it. Um, however, it is DCR's responsibility to keep it clean. And that's my understanding is that they
they clean >> But not your roof. Oh. So, so the roof the roof itself, um, so I I believe these are going to I'm not sure if this is going to be an internal drainage system or an external drainage system, but once once they come down, typically what we do is in a case like what you
just said, like there's always a chance that maybe something gets clogged in it, uh maybe something happens like a pipe gets crushed or something like that. They're generally built with um over little overflow pipes that if you were to walk by and you saw water coming out of the overflow pipe onto like the front
of the building, you you'd know something was going on. And we put cleanouts in there so we can then video camera the lines or possibly even run a a cleaner down there just to see what's going on. It does happen every now and then. Pipes get crushed and that type of thing. But yeah, it's it's a good it's a good question. Typically though, there's
so much head coming from the roof, coming from the top, if there is any type of leaves or blockage or that type of thing, it it usually pushes it right through. >> But not always, >> unless the uh the sediment uh catches
for on the roof get clogged up. I I find that those are pretty robust to get water through, especially in the buildings I manage. Um >> but no, I to his point, I definitely want to make sure we're >> being mindful of that as well. So, and I'd be curious to see that on your plan as well, like cleanout wise. Um,
>> yep. >> Any other questions? >> Good. Okay. Uh, we can close out the hearing if there are no other questions by the commissioners. Um, motion to close out hearing. >> Motion to close out the hearing. >> Second.
>> Second. >> All in favor? I I >> Thank you everybody. Um, >> congratulations on your appointment. So, um, as far as it pertains to the Wetland Protection Act with the way that they're managing their storm water and
how you guys are I mean, you'll submit your program for cleanouts and maintenance of your system. Um, hopefully everything goes smoothly with that with the rest of the permitting process. Um, I really can't
find a reason to today, but anyhow, um, I I like I just like my sunlight on the beach. But anyhow, >> I I hear you. >> I just, you know, I like that's where it should be. But anyhow, uh, as it pertains to this project and as it pertains to the wetland protection act, I'd like to call for a motion to approve
this notice of intent. >> Motion to approve the NOI. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I I >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much, everybody. Appreciate it. >> Appreciate that. Um, yep. So, next up,
>> yeah, I'd like to make sure that we just keep all the the the process rolling, but >> yeah. No, and absolutely not. Um, >> Mr. Chairman, do you mind if I if I could just one thing, nothing to do with this commission, but please be mindful if you guys start construction um during
the summer. We have the sand castle event. Maybe the guys don't work that that weekend during the uh you know what I'm talking about. It's right by where you're going to be building. >> Yeah, that's right at the head of the beach. That's where they close off. >> I know that doesn't fall under us, but >> Well, it's they're going to close off the beach, too. And they'll probably
enter from the ocean app, but yeah, please. Good evening. >> Third week in July. Third weekend in July. U Dana Lopez, Wakefield Associates. I'm going to be one of the principles and I'll be the builder record on the project. So, we've already expressed to uh Bill Ash that we wouldn't start any demolition until at
least the fall. Let him get through the whole summer season. Uh we still got to get through um the Revier Beach Design Committee after that DCR. So, the soonest I think would get approved is sometime in the fall. >> Yeah. >> So, >> you have to get a demolition. >> We want his businesses to stay open. We
don't want to just have them shut down all summer. So >> yeah, no, that's we appreciate that. And then, you know, we'll we'll see you for the demolition plan and for all of that uh once that comes. So, so fall. So, we're not going to encumber the beach too much >> um this season, but next season might be
a little tricky. So, we'll we'll have to address that when you come up for the demolition. I think that that's something we want to make sure you're entering and exiting on the ocean ad side uh during those months, especially. It's probably going to be a multi-year process to get that building erected. So, right. Um, but we appreciate that
and appreciate you working with us with on that. >> Okay. >> Excellent. Thank you guys. >> Thank you everyone. Nice to see you. >> Nice to see you as well. >> Um, >> so we have some continued business. Uh, it says on the agenda 36 Glendale. Like to correct that to 35 Glendale. This is
over in uh Oak Island. Uh, last I checked, there has not been much movement and applications for um, varants and whatnot have not been submitted yet as of I think this
afternoon that has not been submitted. So, we're trying to get that horse out of the out of the gate, so to speak, so that they can come back in front of us and hopefully everything can be reviewed and we can close this out in May. Um, but this is for an ADU that was built on
some conservation land. Uh, as well as a new deck in the front of their house. Uh, we also had, just to remind everybody, they poured a new pad on the property without a permits. Um, in anticipation of the ADU potentially having to come down, they also have a
pool and a deck that was constructed without permits. Uh, that is also going to have to get torn down um, in the process. So, it is a very complex site and it is going to be a little bit more. So, we're going to have to continue this until next time. Um, we did have some
site visits this week and I want to thank everybody who did uh attend. Uh, I was unable to so thank you very much for that. Uh, we had it over at the Portine Yacht Club uh 1012 Northshore Road, 37 River Beach Boulevard and for the Route
16 bridge replacements over near Murray's. Um, we did have communication from National Grid about some work that is going to be happening. Um, so over by uh where is that? Apologies.
All the papers, all the papers. Um, anyhow, so we we did have a communication from National Grid about some work that they are doing. Um, we can definitely upload that so folks can see it if they would like. And uh, at this time, I'd like to just any open
discussion that we might want to have. Um, chair, just just one thing. I've uh been on this commission for close to I think about six years at this point. Um, there's one thing I've brought up time and time again, and I just don't want this to happen again. Um, not putting
blame on on anyone for any reason. I'm just stating it out loud so that I feel if it's put out into the ether that this won't happen again. Um, tonight, for those that don't know, is a religious holiday. Um, I probably shouldn't be here, but I truly love this commission and I'm skipping a very important
religious holiday to be here. I don't want to have to do this again. I've had to do it five times already over the last six years um for different religious holidays of Yamapour and Passover. And uh it's it's not fair to me or other people who have religious
holidays on these specific dates. So I would just ask that if maybe we could look six months in advance, a year in advance and if uh on the calendar any religious holiday whether it's falls under the opaces of me for being Jewish or for anyone else for any other religious reason uh it falls on a
holiday let's just double check that for the future so that um not just me for being Jewish but for anyone else for any religion um that we don't have to make those choices to be here instead of celebrating a holiday with our families. Thank you. Thank you, Brian. I and I do
appreciate you being here um on this holiday and um I think that is something that we can certainly accommodate and uh hopefully we can get a little bit better about scheduling and try to avoid these in a public setting because I'm sure
that folks that um need to be here also share the same religion and sentiment about these meetings that are mandatory to get permitting done and filed. So, I think that that would definitely be an excellent suggestion not only for our
commissioners but also for our attendees to these meetings and thank you for bringing that to our attention, Brian. Um, any other Wilson? >> Yeah, I just want to mention just to remember April 22nd is Earth Day. Just
just to um if anyone air day should be every day. This is our home, our single home and anything you can do to um keep our earth planet earth um like either can be picking up trash. I seen a lot of residents doing that on
their own. It can be a little frustrating by the amount of tries, but just remember April 22nd earth date and also I saw an email and on the 26, April 26 is a cleanup and so that's something maybe we can do in that day but not only
that day. I I hope we continue doing that. I've seen residents picking up trash and kudos to those people doing it and that's something we we I highly encourage and like I say it can be sometimes um hard when you see amount of
trash but uh if we all pitch in I think we can be in a better place. >> Yeah, that's excellent suggestion. Um, I'd also like to note uh in also uh for Earth Day coming up on the 22nd uh Arbor Day. Um if any of the commissioners
maybe want to get together, we can maybe coordinate with uh the DCR and have a tree planting of some sort for Arbor Day. Um something that I'd be willing to try and sponsor. Um, I think that'd be something great for the city to do and and have it sponsored by the
conservation commission and the DCR will plant the tree for free wherever we pretty much tell them to do. So, we definitely qualify um under that umbrella of the urban I can't remember it's the I can't remember what the program is
called. I apologize for that. But, um, they will come out and they'll plant a tree. What is it? Oh, greeting the gateway. Thank you, L, our rockstar in front of us today. Um, on the ball today. I I have to say thank you very much, L, for all of your help today. Um,
but yes, I think that'd be something we could do for sure. And we can I can definitely get in touch with some of my contacts over there. They've planted plenty of trees on my campus. Um, and I'd love to do that for our city. Um, but yeah, the trash cleanup that's going to happen, I think it's on that
Saturday, uh, following that. So, we could we could have Earth Days, a tree planting, and a cleanup, all sponsored or all co-sponsored by the commission. I think that'd be something that we could definitely do. Um, it'd be a great event for all. Um, any other open discussion
items at this time. All right. Hearing none, I'd like to call for a motion to adjurnn. >> Nope. Good. >> You're doing this is your first meeting. You got Hey, it's an honor to be here, guys, and be a part of the crew. Honestly, I'm humbled
by the opportunity. >> Thank you. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to adjourn. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I thank you very much. All right, Andrew.