Hopefully that's a little bit better. All right. Uh, roll call. Uh, Brian >> here. >> Tom >> here. >> Joseph >> here. >> Bernardo >> here. Wilson
>> here >> and Amelia is not present. Um and I am here Nicholas Rudol. Um next up review and approval of the meeting minutes. Uh any changes, additions? Um
anything. >> Make a motion to approve the meeting minutes. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. Excellent. Thank you. Uh, next up, uh, we have to reappoint or elect, uh,
new chair and vice chair. Um, at this time, I would like to make a nomination for vice chair, uh, Brian Aberbeck. Um, anybody else like to throw their hat into the ring, so to speak?
Okay. Hearing none. Um, all those in favor for Brian to remain uh vice chair of the commission. >> I >> I >> Excellent. Um, now we have to nominate a chair. >> I'd like to make a nomination of
Nicholas Rudolph for chair of the conservation commission. >> Second that. >> All right. Um, all in favor? >> I. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Uh, all right. Moving on. Uh we have
some new business here. Uh this is an abbreviated notice of intent 43 Shamat Street. Uh D file number 061 0850. Open the hearing. >> Uh good evening. Paul Finochio PJF and
Associates Wakefield Mass. I'm here on behalf of Christopher Tannis who is here this evening who is the owner and the applicant of the property located 43 Sharma Street. Um, just one correction on the D file number. >> That could be 851.
>> There were actually two file numbers on this and 51 is the >> Yeah, I've never seen that happen, but uh no, we will I will definitely make a note of that. Thank you. So, that is D file number 0610851 uh for this
>> 1027 Okay. All right. So, we're going to go with the second one that's has all of your >> Everything was filed and everything was under that. >> Okay. Thank you, Paul. >> Yes. Thank you. Uh, so we're here before you this evening. Um, the property at 43 Shaman Street. This property is located
in the 100year flood plane. Um, elevation 12. And Mr. Tannis is proposing to add an addition to his existing house which become part of an ADU unit. There is an existing addition that was done back in 2000 in 2020.
We'll be here before you then and we're going to be adding on to that addition front of the um existing h um house and those be connected that will be an ADU unit. I just realized under the um new building department, not the building
but the building codes were amended and changed the 10th edition and just became effective July 1st of this year. And that the new um elevations for the lowest um elevation for the subfloor which would be the floor joist of the addition
have to be 3 feet above flood elevation. So, elevation. >> So, elevation 15 for the lowest floor joint. And that makes our finished floor about elevation 16. So, I do have an amended plan that I'd like to submit to you that shows those changes.
>> You can um hand those to Thank you. So, as you can see on the plan, there is um the main addition is going on in front of the addition on the basically on the right hand side. There's an existing deck. We'll be modifying that
deck to have a set of stairs coming down off the addition be landing coming out the door coming down a set of stairs onto the existing deck. then modifying the stairs coming out of the entrance of the um existing house out onto the front of the street. There'll be no grade
changes on site. The building be up on peers and again that the uh finished floor of the addition will be up at elevation 16 with the floor joist at elevation 15. >> Okay. Um thank you for meeting with us on
Halloween. Um I I appreciate that. >> Thank you. >> Uh It it was definitely a pretty straightforward project. Um, you're not going to be changing anything underneath. Um, really truthfully, aside from putting in the pilings underneath,
you you really won't be making any modifications to the to the land. Uh, unfortunately, you'll be excavating slightly. So, NI, but the abbreviated NOI definitely makes sense for this case. Um, I don't really have any questions and I'd like to open it up to the commissioners first if you if anyone
has questions. >> I'm all set. It's pretty straightforward. >> Okay. Um, so at this time, I'd like to open it up to anyone in the audience that is either for or against uh this project.
All right. Seeing none, um I would like to um wish you luck. Uh it's a little curveball with the uh 16 foot elevation or the um 3 ft above elevation, but I I
think you've definitely pivoted well. And um seeing that there aren't any other questions, I'd like to call for a motion to close out the hearing. >> Make a motion to close out the hearing. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I
>> All right. Um, and seeing how straightforward this is and how it probably will not have very much impact, um, I'd like to call for a motion to approve this notice of intent. >> Motion to approve abbreviated NOI. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor?
>> I. >> I. Thank you, Paul. Appreciate it. >> And, um, we'll get the updated plans on file. And that is that. All right. Uh, next up is a notice of
intent 76 Endicott A. Um, we don't have a D file number, but we will be uh opening the hearing. >> Hi. Um, >> I don't uh if you wouldn't mind just bringing the mic down just a little bit. There you go. >> Sorry. >> There you are. Just uh
>> Hi. So, I'm just here to try to get >> if you could um just for the record state your name, address. >> Okay. Sorry. I'm sorry. >> No, it's okay. That's it. Appreciate My name is Diana Caner. I am the owner of 76 Endicott Avenue. I'm here with my mom, Nelly Orgo. She's also the owner of
Endicott Avenue. This is Elimin Vijas. He is working the construction projects. He is from Vijgas LLC. Um we wanted to bring forward to try to get um the new asphelt into our yard and also uh do the
storm range storm drain around the house. Um and then new pavers for the backyard. >> Okay. Um so taking a look at your plan right now. Um so you're planning on
putting a or installing a drip edge all the way around your property from what I can see here. the the uh gravel filler um you know the around the back of the property on the backyard where you're going to have grass uh along the um eastern side where
the driveway is is what you're proposing a 4ft wide by 4 foot deep um filled with gravel uh essentially to make a French drain around your yard. >> Yes, a French drain around the yard too. Um, they said that it's about 8,000 uh
8,000 square eight quarters >> 8,000 8,000 gallons per per minute >> for the water. >> Yeah, it's it's designed to hold 8,000 gallons um >> with the cubic footage that you have calculated here. Okay. Um
I'm a little reluctant to add new asphalt. Um, I I would be totally willing to allow the existing asphalt to go back in, but I really don't want to add any more impervious surface, especially to that area. Um, I I I don't
know if what you have here uh for the French drain is going to be enough to offset putting more impervious surface. Um, you didn't have an engineering company put this together or is it a just a construction company? >> Just a construction company. Now, the
per the folks that put this plan together, these are definitely not just a handdrawn thing here. So, um, did they calculate the amount of of square or cubic feet and gallons to accommodate
for the new impervious surface that they're putting is kind of what I'm asking here. And and why didn't they put it all the way up uh on the western side of the property? Um, she said he's saying because of the
water drainage on the PA. that was >> he's saying because of the pavers it was enough with the with what went around and with what it rains. >> So how much uh crushed gravel did you
put underneath the pavers? How many inches of crushed gravel did you put under there? >> 18. >> What is it? >> 18 in. 18 inches. >> I don't know if that's It didn't look to me as though there was 18 inches of gravel under there. I don't
know if we'd have to dig and confirm. This is why we don't do things after the fact. So just pick a song. >> I would definitely need to confirm that and I'd like to come out and see another um you know another have another site visit
rather and confirm that that is 18 in because that is quite a French drain underneath those papers. Um I know it's not I know it's not completely finished but I think that would certainly offset if that is exact if that is indeed 18 inches. The other thing that I noticed
in the back of the property when we went there is the fill, the top soil that you had on that property was contaminated with asphalt, brick, um, mortar, al
concrete. Um, that needs to be removed before I, you know, before you can stabilize a site. You can't drop new loom down over that seed and make a lawn that you're going to have contamination inside of the soil. So, we we need to make sure that that all gets buttoned up. Um, and I will definitely be
following up with that as well. And I like that completed before we have our next site visit. >> Okay. Um, I don't I don't know how long that's going to take you realistically, but couple days of work getting that out of there and getting it down to where it is clean soil before you drop your new
top soil. Um, >> yes, please, Joe. There you are. Is it not? >> Is it not working? >> Hello. >> Hi. >> Hi.
>> Um, I have a concern about something else that I I went down there Saturday. It didn't make it for the for your meeting, but I went down there on Saturday and on the east side of the driveway as it slopes down. Uh the house next door
uh for some bizarre reason there's a there's a window at ground level of the uh stone that was put there. And uh my concern is that on a rain event when the water's flowing kind of fast down that
driveway, there's a good chance that that that's going to go right down even the pavement stones and onto their property and right into their window. The sill is actually a ground level. And I'm wondering if there should be a a small, I don't know,
maybe twoinch bum. >> Yeah. just just to stop the possibility of a uh catastrophic event with a lot of rain. >> Yep. That kind of brings me Thank you very much, uh Joe. That kind of brings me to my other point is uh when we were
there, there was definitely evidence that the grade of the property was raised up. Um that was evident from the soil runoff into your neighbor's yard on the east side. And then that was definitely evident from the back of your
yard where it was kind of a little bit higher, but um there was it was definitely evidence that the grade was raised there as well. Um I'm not sure if your neighbors to the east of you guys on the driveway side have said anything about soil coming into their yard or
not, but um it's it is definitely raised up for sure. And I know you have to bring in material to put down put to put underneath your uh pavers. I know that you definitely had to bring material out. Um but from what
I saw on the property of the day that we visited, it it appeared as though the grade had been slightly raised. Not by much, but just enough. >> Um and that's probably due in part to you guys taking material out and spreading it around. Um, so that's that's something that I'd like to make
sure that we address as well. You're going to be taking the fill out in the back, which will raise it down or put it down probably a little bit lower, but we need to make sure that it returns to the original grade. >> Okay. >> That we had. >> That's fine. Yeah. Because >> Can I talk? And I'm the guy I do the job. >> If you want to come up and state your
name, address. >> Yeah, >> please. >> Jose Flores. My name and the guy do the the job. The machine. >> Machine. And and that side you're talking about. I rebuilt a wall. >> The wall go to the to the neighbor. >> It was leaning.
>> I take it out. >> Yeah. >> And the high the wall is high. I put the the grading down. I can show you the picture. I got a picture right here. >> Mhm. >> But definitely it's more higher before >> I put it down because the neighbor she told me, "Can you put it down just a
little?" I said, "Okay." So the the wall that you took out was more of a retaining wall for the soil that was inside the property line. I I see what you're saying. I I see what you're saying. That's kind of why material got spread out. But we definitely want to make sure it's not
>> higher. It I don't know. It just the their the way that their property was lower on the east side. It just appeared as though that you raised it up. Anyways, >> do you mind if I quick question? >> Absolutely. Please. Um, so with that being said about your conversation you have with the neighbor. I don't know if the neighbor happens to be here. Um, but
if they aren't, I think having that conversation, if you could get something in writing from them, um, I think that would help your case and I think for us to make a decision. Um, because a lot of the what we do here on on this commission is making sure that we protect not just yourself and obviously
nature and everything, but neighbors from when people are doing these kinds of things. if you have paperwork or something signed from them saying we support what you're doing or you've done like what you said. I think that would be um very beneficial to us making a decision.
>> They did came to us um and told me he's like they're like do do you need to be there? I should have had them be here. So they're they're totally they're >> what even if they're here or even if something signed by them it's all >> we can add it to the file and and just to show that you guys prove that you
didn't raise the grade you actually lowered it a little bit. It just seemed as though from material getting spread out in my past experience that it's probably been raised a little bit. So um but yeah that's a great point. Then even the window on that which which you
mentioned um you can see that part of the house is starting to like come apart. So I think about when we get these horrible rainstorms all that water is going down like a slip and slide straight down there into that and it's just the water's going to penetrate that wood and that house is going to be from
this to start to slipping. So, I'm not just thinking about today, but I'm thinking about towards the future. If you have a way of if you're the one doing it, a way of having to protect that, whether it's a drain or something that can be done, I think it's beneficial for the future because you
don't want that house coming into your house. So, >> yeah. And and we're we're totally okay with that. And we're we've spoken to the neighbor and we're like, "Hey, what can we do to you know, what are we >> we're making improvements? How can we make yours better, too? >> How can we make this? Yeah, that's
that's been that's been with us. So, like that we're we talk to that neighbor all the time on the right hand side. So, I will speak to them and I will have them either write something out or I know that we're probably going to have another meeting. So, if if they don't write something out, I'll have them
>> have them attend. Have them attend. Get it get it on the record and and we can proceed from there. Um, when I do come back for the site visit, I want to have multiple places that demonstrate that that is 18 inches. I don't want to have a pull up the corner and take a look and
you guys made an 18 inch pit in there. I want to I want to see it in multiple places. >> 18 in. I do it by myself. I got the picture here. 24 in. >> I believe you, but I got to see it. >> I I can't permit something that I can't confirm. >> When when we do the next site visit, if
the neighbor wants to come back, are you okay with that? >> No, that's fine. But I if I would like to make sure that it gets on record in some way, shape or form. >> Okay, >> that's that's that's basically what I want to make sure happens here that we are getting something >> on the record. >> Okay. >> Um Okay.
>> I don't have any more questions. I'm I think we're we've got it pretty much covered. Any of the commissioners have questions? Um it would it be within our preview to approve the gravel filter French drain slash new fence now
and then the rest of it the new asphalt the driveway confirmation of the papers comes with the notice of intent. >> No we if it's because the fence is a part of the notice of intent. Correct. So >> I city ordinance says that you can make
a fence on your property. You do have to pull a permit. Um but you are doing work in land subject to coastal storm flowage which would require an an NOI to put up a fence in your area. >> So unfortunately we can't we can't >> because because they're adding this.
>> Yeah. Because you're adding that French drain all the way around. that's you're going to be excavating, you're going to be altering, dredging, changing the land as it stands. So, I wish I could do the fence now. Unfortunately, I can't um because it is a part of the notice of
intent. >> Um but another month, we'll get this all sorted out and we'll get this we'll get this going. Um I know the the building commission or you've gone through the city and gotten approval from other
parts. Now, was the new driveway approved with the extension in your in the plans from the city? I I don't recall seeing that. >> Okay. So, I'm reluctant to approve an extension on the driveway only because
they haven't approved it. That's So, if you do get a an approval to extend or add uh a new portion of your driveway, we'll we'll revisit that. So, please work on that before the next meeting. I want to make sure that we have an accurate plan for what we're doing.
Okay. >> At that property, uh especially seeing as how this is a notice of intent after the fact. I want to help you as much as I can. >> Yeah. With the fence, they did say that it was they didn't actually because it was under six foot. >> It was an existing fence. They didn't need
>> we need we didn't need a permit. Um but they did need just the approval from you guys. just just to put it out there. They said with the fence >> because it's a part of the notice of intent and because you're putting that French train in. >> Okay, perfect. No, that's >> it's just a it's just the perfect storm of I have to say no one and I'm so sorry
about that. >> No, no, that's fine. I >> And just one more comment. If you could next month show us where the fence is going. >> Yes. >> It kind of is it is it going in the middle of the gravel filter? Is the fence on the back side of the gravel filter? Kind of where where the filter lives compared to the fence.
>> Okay, we can do that. Uh, do you need it like on top of like in paper and submit it to you guys? >> I would like. >> Yeah, even if you just like mark up this detail like the fence sits here or in front of it or kind of where where that'd be great. >> Perfect. Thank you.
>> Awesome. Um, anybody else have uh any questions before I open it up? >> Okay. Um, thank you so much for your time. I appreciate all the explanation and uh we'll be reaching out to have another site visit and we'll definitely see you guys next month. >> All right, perfect. Thank you so much.
Thank you. Uh at this time if any um if we have anybody in the audience that is uh either for or against uh the project. Um please direct all questions uh to the chair and any responses that need to
come from somewhere else, please direct them to the chair and please be concise in your questioning. But please come up. Hi, my name is Joanne Penise. I live at 59 George Avenue and I am in back of the
76 lever and I >> or endicott >> endicott I mean >> that's okay. >> Um so the thing is that because of the the dirt being higher than our land >> we have to worry about the driveway and
the water coming down and into our land. Mhm. >> We've been flooded out because of it and my son and grandsons have to constantly shovel it and try to get another pump and pump it out. >> Yeah, I I saw your problem. >> I've been there for 60 years and I've
been out in and of flooding and because of the gates we've been good with the storms, but with this rain because of all the new construction going on and people putting higher in, we're getting flooded. >> Yes. >> And I'm worried about my home. So that's why I'm opposing this. No, I can I can
definitely appreciate that. And um I have a few things that I need to confirm. If they have 18 inches of crush crushed stone or crushed gravel underneath that um new patio, that should definitely help. Putting a drip edge or a French drain that's 4t deep and 4t wide all the way around the edge
is certainly going to soak up a lot of water. Um, what I did notice when I was looking at your property is you have a very large trench, open trench in the back of your property that is um, it looks like some work has been done. It
looks like that you it appeared that you had a drain like a unfinished drain with a grate on the top that's at um, the level of the of your backyard. And I noticed that there was kind of some
piping and um flexible hose that was coming off and going into some 55gallon drum that was in the corner over there. So I have some questions about that myself. So >> if I can answer that. >> Absolutely. Please. >> Joe Py, I live in 59 Georgia. That's my mother.
>> When we got the new I don't know the address on Endicott, the new facility, they were ordered to rip out their driveway. They said they were going to put uh permanent asphalt down. They never did. Mhm. >> We're on a Zoom call and um they never did anything. They just kept on building. They built the asphalt all the
way down to the back. Now we got somewhere around 4t of water back there. I had >> 20 guys come in from local 22 and we dug it out. I had an emergency and I had to put down a a drain to try to get all the water out of the basement.
>> That's how bad it gets now. >> Y >> and we have no problem with them doing work. We just want to make sure that they put the French drain in too. Mhm. No. Abs. Absolutely. >> And not build up the land. >> I No, I I agree with you on that one. That's >> the retaining wall that was back there, too. Yep.
>> And we did we thought that was going back in when they told us we're going to they're going to build a fence. We had no problem with it >> because now the water just comes in from their property into ours, which is thousands of gallons more. >> So, you guys are much we were probably about 2 feet or 3 feet below them. And even as even the way the original uh
height of the land was, but they had a retaining wall that was probably doing a pretty good job of holding some water back, they had a little bit more land probably from what they've said, and they probably had a little bit more of a a French drain happening with their retaining wall. Um, and removing that
certainly lets the water flow a little bit more freely. But, um, considering what they're going to do and the modifications that they're going to make on their property, um, once we get everything all squared up and the plans get approved, I think that will definitely go leaps and bounds for you
guys to be able to not get water on your property. Um, but as it stands, the the the trench that you guys have, you could come before us with a notice of intent and finish that French drain, put in exactly what they're proposing in the
back there and have that much more water um storage on the properties in between both properties. So, you have a at least have a buffer of of >> No one's come to us and talked about it. They only talked about a fence. >> We're having a conversation now and and I'd love to help you guys not have that
problem. you've been here in this city for 60 years and I'd like to help you not have your property flooded. So, let's maybe get a conversation going. We can have a site visit, walk around the entirety of the property and see exactly what you might be able to do in in to
solve this problem. But as it stands, I I think that what they're doing here on their property is going to benefit you and all of the neighbors around if indeed I can confirm that they have 18 inches of crushed stone under there. That's a very large area to store water.
>> That's another thing I need to talk to the neighbors. I need to confirm some things. I don't want to jump off the fence just yet, so to speak. But I am on it and rest assured I will make sure this is right before it's done. >> Um, and I thank you for your time and I appreciate the
>> Do you mind please? Absolutely. >> Um, so we when we tour their property and obviously when we went to the back we saw yards. something that a lot of people don't realize with what we do with the conservation commission because until things like this you may not have even known there was a conservation commission
I completely understand our job is to make sure that when anyone does anything involving their property we look at it from what they're doing but also making sure that even if you're unaware that that's being done that we're protecting every property around. A lot of people don't realize that. So, even if you
didn't come here, even if you weren't aware, we looked at your property because we could see it obviously when we were looking at what she was doing just on and I didn't know her before the site visit. She multiple times stated the importance of protecting your property and the other neighbors. There
are other times we go to site visits where they could not care less about their neighbors. So, which we see unfortunately too many times >> too many times. She definitely cares about your property, >> which is important because there are people who do projects who could not
care less about their neighbors. She does. So, with her doing that and if it's done correctly, which we're going as our job is to make sure that it is, it's going to retain a lot more water. But to piggyback off what the chair said, could not recommend enough, if you
guys can finish the project that you've done and maybe even enhance that, it a will look better. It'll your value of your property will go up significantly, but the core part of it is that it's going to really help with water retention that it's not going to end up in your house if there is one of these
brutal storms and there's runoff of the water. That bit seriously you started you've done I think what like 75% of the work >> you're you're like this close to be able >> if you finish it off it's it's going to help your property out and but not just from even the part that it's meant to
from even a value perspective. So, I would highly recommend to whether you guys do it yourself or hire someone that can actually go and do it the correct way, have us come out, take a look. It's a free of charge for us to be able to go there, give you our opinion and advice. Um, that's why we're here for River and
for Rever residents like yourself. So, um, keep that in mind. You're almost there. There's some people that we have to be like, "Hey, you don't want to flood your basement, do this." You guys are like right there. So, I can't recommend that enough. happened in 2021 when I had all the guys from my hall come down and dig out that trench because the water was coming into my
basement and we left it alone since then. We would been so busy and so over budget trying to get stuff done that we're going to try to finish that off. >> So, >> and again, we have no problem with them doing their work on their land. I wish we all could build up our land and not have any problems whatsoever, but I
never even talked to them yet except for the construction workers which were decent guys. >> Yeah. >> And and they are just, you know, are decent too as far as I don't know your your relationship as you know. don't know them. >> Well, I would say get to get to know her. She's been very nice. Um, and if you do have any issues, she definitely seems like the kind of person that would
resolve them. So, um, yet again, just very rare for us to have that kind of a situation. So, enjoy. I'm glad that there's going to be some more communications. Maybe you guys have a barbecue together. Who knows? But, um, >> just, uh, wanted to throw that out there. >> So, your So, your address is just for
>> what is it? >> 59 Georgia. Yes. Um I'll be reaching out just to um if you want to uh give your number to uh L and we can have a conversation set and when
we could come for their site visit, we'll coordinate with you guys to see what we can do. >> Mr. Chair, one more question. How how high was the retaining wall that was there? It wasn't just >> it was it was about 10 in tall and it went down two feet. >> Was it the just railroad ties? >> No, it was concrete.
It was poured there over 60 years ago. >> Yeah. There was at least there was at least a half a dozen railroad ties. >> Yeah. Underneath. >> But the original retaining wall on our property side, the the old lady that passed away before they bought the land had a retaining wall that they did
together >> back 60 years ago. And there was a retaining wall about 10 feet 10 inches tall and went down about 18 in. So, what they're what they're planning to do here is is almost what you guys started to do. Theirs is even larger. They're doing
four feet wide, four feet deep, filled with stone. This is going to take a ton of water. And and I don't know if you've seen the plan, >> but they're doing it a U-shape all the way around their yard. So, they're going to have four feet wide, four feet deep of stone. >> So, they're I I would prefer that
>> 10 out of 10 times over over a one foot retaining wall. It's It's going to help a lot more. Thank you. Yep. >> Yep. That it's it's definitely going to make a significant improvement to um to your property by doing that. Um but let
me confirm a few things and make sure that what they said they did they did and we'll go from there. Um but when I do their site visit, I want to make sure that we stop at your house as well and I'll try to coordinate that as best I can. >> Thank you very much for your time. >> You're very welcome. Thank you.
All right, >> yes, you can have that. >> All right. Uh, next up is uh D file number 0610829 and 0610833. This is a request for modification of an order of conditions 101 Lee Burbank
Highway um and 96 to 186A Lee Burbank Highway. Uh the owner is uh Revier Mass um LLC. Um how's it going? >> Great. >> Long time no see. >> Yes, thanks for having us.
>> Um I've been over there and um the demolition definitely is good to go on that. And across the street looks >> huge. Holy cow. I couldn't even believe it when I saw it. We were driving by and I just it was I was taken aback by how how
large the structure is. I I saw the plans, but I just when you see it in person, it just kind of wows you a little bit. >> Yeah, I haven't seen it, so I'm interested. >> Yeah, it literally looks like an airplane hanger. That That's a great analogy. Um, so yes, so you're in front of us here for a request for modification. I looked it over. It didn't look too substantial, but I'd
love for you to go through it for everybody else. >> Sure, absolutely. Just for the record, Scott Morrison from BHB. Here with me is Dan Catches, the project engineer. He can explain the details of the project, but I just kind of wanted to introduce ourselves. We were in here before with
the project. We've made some um requested minor modifications to the storm water which Dan can go through. Um just for the record too, we submitted because the outfalls within rare species habitat. We sent a copy of this information to Natural Heritage. They
responded back that it's an insignificant change and it doesn't change the notake letter that they've issued. So >> there's no changes there, but I can turn it over to Dan. He can explain the minor changes. Thank you. Thank you, Dan. >> Good day, everyone. For the record, my name is Dan Ketches. I'm a civil
engineer with VHB. Um, so you can see on this graphic here, we have the projects of um, it's helpful. Phase one and phase two of Trident Logistics Center. Um, phase one obviously well under construction. Um,
phase two on the south and then River Commerce Center is the project on the west side there. Um, so I'll just run through the the storm water changes that were outlined in the memo if you want. >> So really these changes um primarily
driven by um just costsaving measure and the some of the challenges encountered on phase one with the extensive shoring and dewatering required to put these large subsurface systems in. Um, so the the change we've made is is upsizing the storm water pumps um to pump for um from
the original 1.3 cubic feet per second up to 7.4 feet per second. And that allowed us to significantly decrease the amount of detention needed on site. Um in addition to that, the force man from the phase 2 site across the street um
increased in size from 8 to 14 in. Otherwise, the storm water systems all entirely consistent with what was submitted. The water quality treatment is the same. Um we've actually added one water quality unit that was requested by uh the engineering department between um
the on-site wetland resource areas that actually flow into the site um just to remove any organics and floatables. >> And yeah, yeah, up near the corner there where you have that pond that >> Yeah. Yeah. Those those just kind of spill into the site today. So it'll just
be controlled and continue to flow um into the site. So those are those are the changes as far as phase two um for river commerce center on the west side. Um the minor changes are really just in reaction to that. So um again
the increased force man size will be a 14 inch from each of the sites >> combined to an 18 inch. Um so slightly larger where they combine it and crosses the MBTA rightway and then in addition the the outfall got slightly bigger I think about two feet wider and two feet
longer um just to mitigate the increased flows um but the overall limit of work um and the impact areas included in the NOI were quite conservative um so those are not not increasing at all. >> Okay. All right. Basically, it's just a
just to sum it up. You you increased the pump size to get it out a little bit faster. Um, which is >> you didn't decrease so you said you decreased your retention a little bit. >> Correct. >> Because you're getting it out faster. Correct.
>> It was. Yeah. So, the one the 1.3 CFS that was originally designed was really limited by that existing outfall >> um at the time of phase one and two design. So now that there is a new outfall being proposed, we have the opportunity to actually bring that down to grade um and stabilize it. The
existing pipe just kind of is hanging up in the air. >> Yeah. Yeah, I bet. Um so no, that that I don't have any issue with increasing the pump size to get it out faster. I mean, even, you know, increasing or leaving the retention the same, you know, just
it's just going to fill up faster and you know what I mean? So um I completely get that. Now, after you've done your calculations, is it going to how much how significant is it going to improve it by doing that? Just curious. >> Um, so it's a pretty significant reduction in volume. So, it went from
about 330,000 um cubic feet to 126,000 cubic feet. >> Okay. >> About 60%. Um, that was largely driven by the 100redyear storm event um because everything is is being pumped across the street in that one pipe. >> Yeah. you had a couple episodic events
while you're doing the construction on that other one. So, I definitely can appreciate your your change on the fly. Um, uh, at this time I don't have any other questions. Um, I think it is pretty straightforward. You're increasing pump size and reducing retention um to keep
the site dry effectively a little bit or easier. Um, any other questions from um, commissioners? Do you have someone in place currently for this? And are you building it to what they want or is this just being
built before there's someone coming in? >> Uh, so it's currently a spec building. They're actively seeking tenants for the first building that's being constructed. >> Will this be one tenant or is this made for multiple? >> Uh, to be determined. It could be >> could be subdivided. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Any other questions? >> All set. >> All right. Um, seeing how there's no other questions and how minor this is and the sign off from other folks, uh, I
think that this is not a significant enough change to make them refile. So, I think that this amendment would, um, be a good thing. So, I'd like to call for a motion to, um, approve the request for modification. >> Motion to approve the request for modification.
>> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? Hi. >> Hi. Thank you guys. I appreciate it. >> Thank you all. >> Good luck. And um I'll Yeah, I I'll be looking forward to seeing what happens on the other side over there. Um
>> um if you want >> Yeah. No, thank you guys. All right. Um next up, uh we have some continued business. uh 195 um American Legion Highway D file number 0610849
uh demolition and uh construction of a six-story storage facility. >> What is it? >> It says six on here. >> I'm just No, that's all right. It's >> it's I think it does I think it says
five in the PL. Yeah. So for the record is a fivestory storage facility. >> The applicant is also different than on the agenda as well. >> Yes. Uh the applicant is Ed Dherty. >> Yes. So that's uh Matthew Kaso
Associates here representing the new applicant which is the property owner Ben Ki. So a couple months ago, just a refresher, we um updated our formwork, issued the updated plans to include the updated applicant, which is Vincanti or
190 ALH realy LLC. The prior applicant uh decided to walk away from the project. So our intent is to uh get this approval uh get this order of order of conditions uh from the commission so that uh the new applicant can continue to market and potentially develop the
property. Um since we were here before you um in uh October um you had just requested that we amend the plans to note that the building is five stories so that it follows the prior uh approvals with the city council
and the zoning board of appeals. Um and we've submitted those updated plans. So I don't have anything else new to present. So I'm happy to answer any questions that you have. >> Um I don't have any questions at this time. I think it's pretty straightforward. I I I'm glad we've
sorted out the five and six story um there as well. Um I think it'll definitely make an improvement. It'll be sad to see a place that I've worked at and spent some time at myself go, but um you know on onward and upward, I
suppose. Um do any of the any of the other commissioners have any questions about this pro? So if this is let's say this is approved what other step what are the next steps for this to be demolished like how far away are you from being able to do that? >> Need to finish the site plan review
committee approval. Uh there was just a couple open items about um water connection and the fire suppression system sizing and uh protecting the existing sewer main that runs through the back of the property. So those are the only two open items that they had
highlighted. We've been in front of the the site plan review committee a number of times. So, uh there's some hydrogen flow tests that need to happen. Um and then just some detailed structural plans uh to protect that sewer easement. >> How how soon would that property be starting the process of I'd say making
it less polluted? >> I don't I don't think I'm able to give a time frame to that right now. I think once my assumption is is that once um Vin the owner has somebody a developer
or um you know a self- storage you know group come in and say I want to buy the property um and get those approvals once that's in hand then he would move forward with the demolition and the full site cleanup. But as of right now, I don't think there's there's no plans to
move forward with that until um the sale and you know that whole process can can go. >> With with that being said, I'd ask the chair, how long is this approval for for them? >> Three years. >> Three years. Okay. So, I just have the funniest feeling in three years from now, we're going to be back for an extension or something like that. I hope
that's not the case, but >> we certainly hope not. >> No, that's that's something I definitely want. Uh like >> having the approval allows it to get >> No, absolutely. We're happy to get that transformed into something that isn't polluted. >> Great. Um and and for the record, I I
definitely feel as though having that approval of the process, it definitely helps with selling for sure. I get it. Not something I'm really comfortable with doing, but I get why you're doing it. People see a gas station or a service station and they get a little
angsty about what the abatement and cleanup is going to be of that and what the associated cost of hazardous removal is going to be. So, um, with that being said, um, if there are no other questions from the commission, I'd like to close out the hearing. >> Motion to close out the hearing.
>> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Um and seeing as how um you have only a few things, fire suppression, safety, easement on the sewer, um stuff that's not in our purview, um everything that
has come to us has been okay. And what I'd like to do at this time is go ahead and call for a motion to approve this NOI. >> Motion to approve the NOI. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi.
>> Thank you very much, Matt. And I appreciate your patience and time. And thank you, Vinnie. Appreciate it, sir. >> Thank you all for your time. Thank you. >> Yep. Look forward to seeing you for the uh pre-construction um walkth through before this all goes down. And hopefully I'm not seeing you for an extension.
>> Thank you. Um, so we did have some site visits this uh past week on uh October 31st uh 43 Shamut Street uh which was the abbreviated NOI and 76 Endicott AB for the NOI uh that we just reviewed tonight and we did have a communication
from the River Department of Public Works as well from Nick Rystrom um which we will put into record. Um we also had some public uh utility maintenance activities uh and uh inflow
contract number 12. Um but uh all of that considered um I'd like to if we don't have any open discussion items um I'd like to call for a motion to adjourn. >> One quick open discussion item kind of to do with these guys. I think in in
general >> approving a notice of intent for someone who's marketing that notice of intent to sell the property >> isn't something we should do often. >> The way that the way that it was portrayed to me that this project was
going to proceed right after and and truthfully that's the bait and switch I wasn't too thrilled with truth truthfully. Um, and for the record, I I don't want to have the conservation commission being a well, the conservation commission said we can do
it, so we can sell this and package of property that way. Um, I would like to avoid that. And, you know, moving forward, l I think that that would be something to um be mindful of. Are is the project going to be built immediately? Are they ready to break
ground? Is this something I I'd really like to avoid that moving forward? They had a buyer. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> And I want to say situation. >> No, I I don't think
>> I don't think so either. And I think with their initial intent coming in and actually developing the property was great, but also historically speaking with this property. How many times has Vinci come up or 195 come up in front of us to say between the wetland
delineation they did and what was it 22? um starting that process, trying to get a project off the ground, then uh that failing and then coming back in front of us and using that data to kind of reinforce what they're doing now. I think it's just really been a hard sell for Vinnie at this point and a lot of
folks have just kind of gotten a little once they get to the MCP compliance or the contamination on the property, it's it's a strong deterrent. >> So, but I agree with you, Tom. I don't I don't want to be uh >> you know, we said so, so the project is good. monetizing potential projects.
>> Yeah. No, I don't want I don't want to be a part of the advertising essentially. You know, I I totally get that. So, moving forward, we want to make sure the projects come up that are coming up in front of us are actually intend to break ground. Um, you know, we putting out an extension for for an
order of conditions or an NOI is fine for extenduating circumstances, but yeah, I agree. Um, I I kind of felt a little used. They should have brought me dinner first. No, I'm kidding. Anyways, well listen, uh that being said, um how about a motion to adjurnn now?
>> A motion to adjurnn now. >> Thank you. Second. >> Second now. >> Excellent. All in favor? >> I Excellent. Thank you so much. >> Yeah. No, nobody. Um,