All right, welcome everyone to tonight's uh conservation commission meeting. Uh for all those that wish to please uh stand to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One
nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Do a little roll call. Uh Brian here. Uh Joe,
Thomas, uh Bernardo here, and Amelia here is here today. And Nicholas Rudolph is here today. Uh not in attendance is uh Bern um Wilson Carrera. Um first up is review
and approval of last last time's minutes. Uh any additions, changes, comments? Seeing none, I call for a motion to approve last uh meeting's minutes. I'll make a motion to approve last
meeting's minutes. Second. Second. All in favor? I Okay. Uh first up is a uh request for determination 23 Frank uh the demolition
and building of uh garage asphalt pavement and putting in grass. Uh this was on the agenda last time and unfortunately the legal notices did not go out. Uh this was something that we
did approve. Um I think this is a major improvement to the property and um after discussing it last time. I would call for a motion with all of her paperwork in that we approve uh this or have a
negative determination of applicability to the Wetland Protection Act. I make a motion to approve the negative um applicability to the Wetlands Protection Act. I'll second. All in favor? I I thank you very much. Um
Okay. Um thank you very much, Katie. I appreciate you being here. Um, hope everything goes well and uh, you'll have your paperwork post haste. Uh, next up is a notice of intent 190 BFW Parkway D
file number 0610846. Uh, this is the construction of the new high school. Open it here. Um, and you have your uh legal notice that you posted and uh
everything is proof of a butter notifications. You already provided all that via email. Okay. Just making sure. Then you have the HDMI code there as well. Hey, there we go. Would you like me to begin?
Okay. Sure. Um, for the record, Claire Hogabone, wetland scientist with LEC Environmental Consultants, representing the applicant, the city of Revier, uh, for the River High School project notice of intent before the conservation commission. Uh, joining me are some
project team members available to answer questions at the end of the presentation. Uh, we have Brian Dacon with Leftfield, the owner's project manager, Ty Johnson, uh, one of the landscape architects, along with EMTT Gregory, uh, another landscape architect. We have Christy Lions with uh
Conigley, the um construction manager for the project and uh David Conway with Niche Engineering who will also be presenting briefly on um the storm water components of the project. Uh I will do my best to keep the presentation
uh concise for you all. So, just to reorient everybody to the project site, we're talking about the former Wonderland GR Greyhound Park with VFW Parkway and Northshore Road. Um, on the southeastern frontage of the lot, we
have the MBTA commuter rail uh to the west of the property and the residential neighborhood with Shamut Street and other um roadways to the north of the site. Uh as you can see in the sort of southern portion of the site, the
remnant dog racetrack is in that southwestern portion and some uh remnant foundations associated with the property remain to the east of that. Uh and a lot a big portion of that southern and eastern portion of the site is still pavement. The commission might recall
that we were here before you uh February, I believe, for phase one to demolish the foundations. So that work is currently ongoing. Um and as you see with the blue and yellow
uh icons in the sort of central portion of the site, that's the eastern county ditch, a storm water ditch that flows in a northeast direction and continues off site via a number of subsurface coververts um and daylight portions. Uh
the two yellow circles are existing crossings over the eastern county ditch. Uh so when I get to the next slide, you'll see how that sort of um plays into the proposed project. Uh to the north of that, we have an upland meadow and along the eastern county ditch and that sort of darker portion of uh
vegetation in the aerial image on the left of the screen as bordering vegetated wetland. Um you can sort of see a breakdown of all the resource areas to the right of the screen. Um, in addition to those delineated wetland resource areas on site, uh, during the
ANRAD review process with the commission about this time last year, uh, we determined that the 100-year flood plane extending up to 11 or 12 depending on the elevation of the site, is partially bordering land subject to flooding or BLSF, which reaches up to elevation
4.55. Um and between 4.56 and 11 or 12 is land subject to coastal storm flowage. Um so that blue hue polygon um through sort of squiggling around the site is the BLSF boundary and the hatch work should be
extending through the entire site as land subject to coastal storm flowage. Uh you also see in the image on the right uh we have that sort of uh oval shape of the former dog racetrack that has an isolated wetland within the interior that during the ANRAD review
process the commission um determined to protect that under the ordinance. Um so that has a 100 foot buffer zone associated with that as well. So on to the proposed project here. Um,
as you see, VFW Parkway and Northshore Road and Butler Circle have all sort of shifted to the bottom of the screen. So, north is sort of in the right direction of the screen. Um, you see the big white building sort of in plan left or in the
southern portion of the site. That is a podium style uh building for the school. It's going to serve grades 9 through 12. uh beneath the building is at grade parking lot with a base elevation of four and the first floor elevation above
that garage is going to be elevation 19. So that's about 7 feet above the current 100-year flood plane. And that's in an effort to have that first floor elevation above the flood plane and also allow flood waters to flow beneath the school building during a 100year flood
event. Uh, as you can see from VFW Parkway and Northshore Road, we have two proposed site entrances that are at the existing um, traffic lights at both of those roadways, the internal driveways looped
throughout the site providing access to the school and a series of surface parking lots. Um the parking lot to sort of the right of the school between the school and that athletic field has electric vehicle charging stations. Uh
the parking lot to the left as well or um in the southern portion of the site has additional electric vehicle charging stations. There are also more proposed in the garage underneath the school with a total of 69 um being proposed or 69 spots being accommodated for EV
charging. Uh the southern portion of the site or plan left has five proposed tennis courts. Um, and then as you see plan right or in the northeastern portion of the site, we have two proposed uh multi-use synthetic athletic
fields. Um, those are proposed with subsurface drainage that Dave will speak to a little bit when he discusses the storm water. Um the syn synthetic turf field one has geothermal wells proposed beneath it to uh provide
heating and cooling for the school building as well. Um on the west side of the eastern county ditch uh or plan north there you see on the right side of that there's a compensatory storage area proposed that's also a natural outdoor classroom.
That's where the upland meadow is located. Um that's going to be regraded um sort of two combined purposes. One to serve for compensatory storage for um the fill that's going on on the site to compensate for the bordering land subject to flooding. Um and there's also
walking paths and boardwalks throughout for passive recreation and a really robust planting plan to um increase the vegetative diversity in that portion of the site. U from Dun Road. Lastly, you see that there's sort of two paved um
extensions coming off of Dun Road. Uh there's the emergency vehicles only access, which is not going to be commonly used for emergency vehicles. It's really utilizing that southern uh existing crossing over the eastern county ditch only in the event of an
emergencies emergency when the two main access points are not available. Um the other crossing proposed over the north eastern county ditch crossing is a pedestrian only. So that's going to be a 15 foot wide uh path to allow uh
residents of the neighborhood to the north or students or anybody to um have uh foot traffic and access to the site. Uh, one last point I want to touch on that's not necessarily clear on this
plan, but where you see the emergency vehicles only uh extension from Dun Road where it turns over the eastern county ditch, there's an existing gravel layown area between the eastern county ditch and the MBTA tracks. And during the team's due diligence over the last few
years, we discovered there's a release tracking number for contaminants in the groundwater there. So during construction that will also be remediated to have no environmental impact following the completion of construction. Just wanted to give an example of one of
the plan sheets. This is a courtyard uh proposed sort of to the rear of the school. Um you see the school building outlined in red and the southern or like bottom of that portion of the school is where all the classrooms are. It's sort of the extension wings of the school
building and on the north side is the um I believe the gymnasium. So between that there's a nice uh courtyard with a lot of plantings that I sort of highlighted in that green polygon color. So I just wanted to give the commission members
and any viewers a feel for um sort of the level of reveation that we're proposing at this site. Um, additionally, this is the uh natural outdoor classroom that I pointed out on the plan on the um opposite side of the eastern county ditch from the athletic
fields. Um, some of the notable features that we were uh I wanted to point out was sort of the bottom left image is pointing to one of the boardwalks that's proposed that's six foot wide that crosses over some of the lowerlying grades of this compensatory storage
area. And there's about uh two more of those proposed. The boardwalks to allow for flood waters essentially would um enter and recede from this compensatory flood storage area from the eastern
county ditch beneath the uh boardwalks. Um we also have the uh walking paths again six foot wide and they are going to be comprised of the sort of composite sand that will um adhere to itself. So in a flooding event
it would not dissipate or spread out um and it would still also function as a pvious area. So it's sort of a a good balance for environmental um protection there. And then lastly um a bit of wildlife mitigation that's provided. The image on the bottom right with the arrow
pointing to sort of the deepest pocket of this compensatory storage area is uh proposed osprey nest that will be uh constructed in there. So sort of adds wildlife value um educational value and just overall passive recreation for
folks coming to bird. Um with that I'm going to pass the storm water discussion over to Dave for a moment. Thank you Claire. Uh my name is David Conway. I'm a civil engineer in uh for niche engineering in Boston. I'm presenting tonight, but I'm I'm part of
a team of about seven of us engineers, Nich who worked on this to pull together and put together the documentation, the calculations, and the plans that to get this on the civil side of this project along with Claire's team for permitting,
the landscape architectural teams working in conjunction to kind of make this all happen. Claire has mentioned several times for me to be brief. talk about the storm water. I'm going to do it in a somewhat narrative form. The materials that you provided
the storm water reports over 400 pages. In the beginning, we have very detailed discussion about how we're meeting each storm water standard. In addition to the storm water form itself where you just check the boxes, but we also have a narrative that goes through that. I'm going to talk about it a little bit more
holistically. You can be free for any questions you want, but the big move that was made very early so that we could ensure that we got the school that the city would be proud of and would like be a healthy school and that we would also meet all these regulatory
requirements with storm water and and the other resource areas is by grading the site. The site has a lot of pavement on it right now. We are reducing the amount of impervious on this site by six and a half acres. Just
doing that, we're going to improve the storm water rates coming off the site. We're going to improve greatly the recharge of water going into the site, reduce the volume of storm water coming off the site. So that was and you know that's a a big
move that I do a lot of schools. I probably and it sounds like an exaggeration. I probably have done over 200 schools in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts since since 1992 when I started doing this. This will be one of the greenest schools we've done. And and it and we and we did
that by very early on deciding to to make some big moves with the parking over the school and things like that. And I'm going to talk a little bit and again we can have questions about um the treatment training and storm water itself because that's something else
we're very proud of on site. But you know the it was a very holistic a lot of thought very early on on basically reducing the impervious on the site to get what we needed you know and and then basically fighting
that fight every day as we as we design it to make sure like additional parking lots don't suddenly pop up where we you know have been planning to have outdoor learning areas um courtyards what's the garden,
the the learning, the learning garden, um you know, and those types of features. Storm water wise, we're meeting our quality uh commitments uh through a variety of treatment trains. Um the site varies,
the the design site will vary. Um the treat the TSS removal rates are going to range from 87 to 90%. Um, generally that's going to be done by capturing the storm water either in a catch base in our filter units or a water quality
swailes depending on where we are on site and then pushing that through additional treatment water quality units, additional filter u um units which are a kind of a proprietary type of unit which is great for where you
don't have a lot of separation um and elevation where you can and it's also somewhat of a it's a nice feature because it's the water goes into basically a filter box that's gets planted. So you you get like filtering action there. You get water uptake from the plants. Um there's some
pre-treatment that comes out through that too. Um and then also like water quality swails as we get down like closer to like the eastern county ditch. Um you know it and have a like a more softer storm water approach. Um
you know again the report that you have in front of you, you can go through it when we have ticked off all the 10 boxes as far as how we're meeting our storm water commitments. Um, we've all, you know, it's a redevelopment, but
we are meeting all, you know, which gives you some latitude in what you have to meet, but we are meeting all meeting all the requirements, even if it wasn't a redevelopment. Um, the during construction, we're It's also part of the materials
that we submitted. Um there's a pollution prevention plant SWIP as part of like the early site work. We're actually already working under a NOI from the EPA. So you know the script that we prepared for that work has
evolves into this work and it you know it gives the requirements for the operation and uh commitments that we need to make during construction. Um you know is
prepared for the latest under the latest guidance from the EPA region. Again, we can kind of go into that if you have questions, but right now an earlier version of that, the site's working under and working under well um
operation and maintenance plan. We provided some additional information. I pulled that back out. Um we had some questions on the sitewalk about it. I didn't want people having to dig it out of a 400page document, so we pulled that back out. I modified it. I uh I we heard
concerns about salt use on the site. Um so we precluded the use of sodium chloride as a deicer on the on the site in respon response to that. Um and then you know the last box is the elicits discharge. Um I promised Claire I wasn't
going to like start pointing out like different catch basins of what's going on. I'm happy to do that. Um, and you know that we can have questions after or now during, but it's it's really just I guess my part is it's a
large project. It's a project we're thrilled to be with and it's a lot we put a lot of thought and care into preparing the the plans and calculations with the biggest step being some decisions the city made early on as far as what we can do with the program and how we can make the site really green
and work for the city. Hi, I'm concerned about the U parking areas uh adjacent to the eastern county ditch. Yep. The ones closest. Yeah. On the other side of the u the fields. Yes. Uh could you go over what what are they
going to empty into the Eastern County ditch eventually? Water. So eventually everything on this site goes into the Eastern County ditch. Um, right. So that that's the that's the main that's the that's where all the drainage from site goes now and that's
where it will go in the future. So we're going to treat of course we're going to reduce that runoff and what we're also going to treat that. So if we're looking at the triangularly shaped uh parking lot at the top in between the two fields. That's the one that's closest to the ditch. It's also
there's one other one a little bit uh I can't think of the direction. uh say plant lab right as you move along the street. The the triangularly one is at the lowest elevation. That one the the the
part closest to the field has um catch basins that collect the water and then put that through the filter units themselves and then that's tied into the cover that discharges into the ditch. Um
the last row of parking, so the row of parking closest to the eastern county ditch itself has has a P. So that water has will go through curb breaks and that parking is pulled back from the ditch a little bit so that we can have treatment
between the ditch and and and and the parking. And that treatment train is a P diagram to kind of act as a larger scale. And this is only last row of parking really like the last set of cars because that elevation gets that much
closer. Uh the P diagram to kind of um filter out larger particles then a dry water quality swale that will filter out lower particles. That swale has subdrains and it's kind of like a constructed um profile that can draw
down that water, filter it down through the medium and discharge it into the uh head walls. So we get our treatment you know through a filtering action um really kind of like two filtering like a coarse filtering action in the P diagram and
then a finer filtering action through the water quality soil itself the parking as we move to the left plan west um it's generally the filter are
are are doing most of the work there. So those these those are the structures that um and we can provide some cuts on them, but they're also detailed on the plan where the storm water enters into the unit. It's filtered down. It's a basically a box um a box with filter
material that has overflows and then planting material in it as well. So that provides a lot of treatment, more treatment than like a typical I I talked about like the we we have
treat TSS removal from 84 to 90%. The filter is the ones that are basically the treatment trains that are for the pavement closest to these areas are are getting that higher treatment um because of the filteras and because the the water quality swells and the the
enhanced filtration. So the so that line is is kind of like our is where we're holding the wall and we're doing it through a variety of different methods. As we move kind of away from the eastern county ditch and we pick up elevation, that becomes
somewhat more of a what you may consider a conventional system with the deep sun catch basins going to water quality units. Um the the sites because of the number of calculated trips that you would see on the site, the site classifies as a loo
uh land use with higher pollution prevention. land use of higher pollution benchion level. So, so our water we have higher standards to meet uh for the storm water. Um and that's been you know that's this
that's what we've designed to on this um you know that a little bit of a narrative of what's going on. Again, we can I can maybe get into some more specifics or we can come back to some others. The other thing that will that answers
to some extent the the quality of what going into the ditch? My other concern is but I have a quick question to ask which way is the is the ditch flowing? Okay. My other question is, was it first of all, was there any thought of enclosing that in a some sort of a
culpit so there wouldn't be access? Uh, Claire would shoot me. Uh, well, the reason, let let me tell you what what I'm getting at here. My my concern is that there won't be accessibility and the possibility of
that clogging up. If that clogs up anywhere down the line, uh the drainage for the whole area is going to be encumbered, right? So the you know that that's part of the oper ongoing after construction operations and and and maintenance plan
is basically inspections and maintenance of these things to keep this additional sediments from getting into the eastern county ditch and causing those problems. Now, I did make light about, you know, covering, you know, the suggestion that covering the Eastern County ditch, the Eastern County ditch is a is a fairly
important resource to the to the to a lot of folks. Um, so we're I I know if you go out there and you look at it, it doesn't scream like, you know, rum marsh. It doesn't scream
like, you know, like this this this beautiful waterway, but We we're treating it like it is and we're not dismissing it in any way because of what's currently there, right? Under the regs, it's a resource as
important as any. And we hope in the future that with the work we're doing here that it kind of maybe can recapture even outside of doing anything additional, recapture some of some some some actual real resource area value.
Unfortunately, I I I've I've been on this commission a while and I' I've lived in the city all my life and I'll tell you right now, if you don't make that easy to access and maintain, there's going to be a problem there. And that's that's what I'm concerned. That's why I mentioned either about a enclosed
culvert or you know a a concrete line one or something that would make accessibility and ease of cleaning. Yeah. So where kind of by the way whose jurisdiction would that be? Um jurisdiction
for maintenance. It seems to be everyone's. Yeah. So I could talk a bit to that too. I think to what Dave was sort of getting at with sort of the regulatory component of that is enclosing or culverting a ditch that is already day lit like that. It's jurisdictional as a perennial
stream. So generally it would not be allowable from a regulatory standpoint to begin with but it is also functioning as a resource area that should remain open. And when it comes to maintenance of the storm water features, I think that's something that from the edge of
the ditch should be able to be um accommodated. Um but yes, from a permitting standpoint, not only the wetlands protection act, but there would be a number of state and federal agencies that probably would be a a
very thick wall to accomplish something like that. Um, so just two quick things. Uh, one, first thing is I not everyone understands what the conservation commission does, but for those watching and learning new things about the high school, we go and we visit these sites
as a commission and we're able to see what they look like before to be able to give our inputs to make sure that things are done correctly. Obviously, instead of just laying eyes on a site, we've seen it. Um, and one of the things that you spoke about that I just want to emphasize is the amount of concrete that
was on this site when we tooured it was I mean it's mostly a concrete site. So you can't really see that from these photos because you don't have like current photos of what it looks like. So for anyone that is watching this just kind of trying to get an idea of how much better it's going to be as far as
for drainage, as far as for everything. Um, they're currently removing the concrete. I believe as I go to the post office every day and I hear it and I see the trucks removing god knows how many truckloads of that stuff. I just want you to for anyone that is watching this and is wondering about water and all of
that because that's important to us. What they're doing by removing all of that concrete of which there's an measurable amount will help with every aspect of this and as you said there was so much of it. So, I just want to make sure that people are aware that as a commission we're going and we're looking
at these things, not just as what it's going to be, but where it is now in comparison when making our decision of approving or denying anything. Um, the other part that I just wanted to ask, you mentioned there was a 400page report. Um, for anybody that likes some nighttime reading, uh, is any of the
stuff that is these plans, where could they, just a regular citizen of Ravier that wanted to access and look and read all of these things, where could they go to do that? Yeah, I think that's something uh, folks could absolutely reach out to me directly um, and receive my contact
information from the conservation commission or from the filing. Um, but also I think we would work with the project team. You could post that information to the project website. I believe it's reverstruction.com. You could Google rever construction. I do it like every week.
So, so if just a regular citizen wanted to look over all of this, all this information is publicly available. Not at the moment, but we could certainly update the website. Well, conservation has it for review. They do. Yeah, the conservation office does have it for public review. And if
if anybody wanted to reach out um I could get my contact to the commission office. They they already have it, but they could reach out to LEC and we could provide electronic copies of anything as well. I just feel that that would be something that for anyone before they'd come to us and ask us about additional things that
would just put any question they had at ease if they could just access it easily themselves. The the URL for the high school uh project is rhconstructionpro.com. Okay. Um, and we will post all of this here. There are plans from all of our
submissions up there. So, there's some degree of content and plans, but um, we'll put this entire application up there as well. Appreciate it. That it helps us. So, if anyone has questions, we know where to point them and I think that just helps everyone entitled. So, thank you very much.
Is there any infiltration or on-site storage? So, the infiltration will happen because we're taking out six and a half acres of impervious, right? So, so this site and and it's something we've been ex, you know, because we have all the regulatory process where we've been kind of doing
this and and I know you see a lot of projects. I I used to be a commissioner myself and I design a lot of projects, but you're used to seeing like, okay, we're building something big and we're going to collect it and we're going to put it into some sort of tank or big hole in the ground that's going to have some infiltration and hold it back,
right? And we don't have that on here. We don't have like a you know the cult systems we don't have that one be because we have high ground water we don't have great soils but two we made the move of not increasing the impervious on this site and and and
really dialing it all back. So we we increase our infiltration really on the site by ripping out all the pavement and replacing it with something that's permeable. And um and and there's no need to have additional um
holding tanks. We have one. I'll talk about it quick. Holding tanks to to reduce peak rate volumes because we're doing it because we're making the site so green. And I think the second slide on the slideshow kind of show that's a good one to kind of like focus on because that's not really an
exaggeration of what we we're you know if you look at the site there's school fields and then the really the a visible parking from like satellite and and the drives is really limited. So we we made
the the programmatic decision very early on and it was pressures in any of these school projects to have more of that other stuff but to then hold the line say no we this is how we're we need to do it for a variety of reasons. one, it's kind of the right thing to do. And then two, it's night site doesn't really
lend itself to being digging a big hole and putting a tank in it and having the water. So that I'm not um fibbing. We do have a tank. Um right now the project still includes um storm water recycling for the courtyard. So a portion of the site
is going to be going into a 40,000 40,000 gallon holding tank. It gets treated coming in and it gets treated coming out. Um and that will be used as um a tank for the irrigation of the courtyard which has a little bit
more intensive plant uh planting. And the courtyard is the area um it's on the left side of the of the plant of the of the of the plan in between the two um kind of the two arms and then some there'll be some other areas around there. Um so that's a pretty large
project commitment to to you know to and as kind of a to be we when we prepare these things we try to be very conservative that water that get used and doesn't become runoff for that holding tank and for that re rainwater recycling doesn't
enter into my cups like I I worst case scenario that doesn't happen and this site is still good. One last thing, maybe I'm answering a question that wasn't answered, but this approach and because we've had other again regulatory concerns, questions about like well
resilience, things are changing, rainfall intensities are increasing, our rainfall is changing, how we know this will work in the future, and if we built a tank to hold the rain water and hold it back, but then we keep
the rest of the pavement as the as rainfall changes. There's some point that in the future we keep heading down this path that that that tank's just going to overflow in a one-year storm, let alone a 100year storm. By greening the site, that's the most resilient
thing we can do. So, no matter what the weather is, what the weather patterns are in the future, by taking off all that additional pavement, we will always be better than we are today on this site, no matter what kind of the the future brings.
you know, it's really it it's the most resilient way we can kind of be is by not really building it. It's kind of is I guess is, you know, not paving over the entire thing. So, I I I get the point of everything we put in is going to be better than it is now. It
obviously is, right? Um when I see a project like this, I'm not a wetland scientist. Uh I studied civil and environmental engineering 15 years ago. Uh, I would have expected a third party review of of this package because I mean, you're telling us total suspended
solid numbers. I don't know what we're what the targets are, what the regulations are off the top of my head. I don't have time to read a 400page report. I don't know if you need oil, water separators. I mean, we're we're approving additions on houses. This is
And you you're with the engineering? Yes. you guys do third party reviews of of NOIs all the time for jurisdictions and and vice versa. And then you know just again part of the team that I had put together for this to kind of make
sure we're good is our own internal third party review. Um well I I know it's like grading your own homework but but it's you know this is all prepared so that it could be if you know you know
it's we're not what I'm saying here today is it you know is very much the tip of you know it's it the report itself is meant to be a something in the plan that a company can be head handed over to any engineer to be there's it
goes through from soil conditions if you kind of like work from the back to the front that kind of puts it in perspective that you know there's the geotechnical information what the soil information is based on there's the hydroad for the four different five different
storm events. Um there's the watershed maps. There's the um TSS removal treatment trains for the different all these are meant to kind of like not just stand on their own but be able to be verifiable and tied on to something
else. So, you know, we and again I' I've I've talked about like other um regulatory I mean we're here before you tonight. This is one of a many regulatory kind of requirements we've done. We've going through the
MEEPA process. This storm water report went to all those regulatory agencies back in January, February, February, you know, so and A that was the same report that's before you today other than the report before
you today was was was updated right like like you know catch bases moved around and things like that but that that report that was sent in to the regulatory agencies that we responded to questions for the DEI and really don't have any followup
question for the FE um was sent to a lot of agencies not just mass But you want to rattle any of the other ones off that Army Corps. Uh resources authority. Uh what's the
water? There's another one that the watershed. Thank you. This is council. Yeah. So, you know, I can only I can only tell you what we've done. No, I I get it. I think my point is
future projects of of this size maybe that aren't subject to all those regulatory departments we need someone else to review it at the end of the day none of us are going to catch something on a 400page report
and and sorry that mention constant conversations with DPW and uh I'd also like to add along with what my colleague was saying too is a couple of times you mentioned that there's going to be a lot more
permeable area than there is now. But you you know if if if there was a a lot of rain in a short time or a little flood as it existed in the past, the dogs wouldn't run one night. But if it's in the future, if we have a school there
and there's a problem with drainage and stuff like that, it's going to be expensive uh problems going on. Which brings me to my other question. What's the what's the profile of the soil there? Is there clay base? I mean,
you've done I'm sure there's been test borings done. Is this is this a per is this ground that will allow water to percolate through it easily or or is it uh is there something we should worry about down there?
So it's it's mostly urban fill like it. So once we take the pavement off it's mostly urban fill which is a mix of materials. Um the water will move through it.
You know we're not just going to shed it off. It it is permeable. It's not um like you know at the bottom of it there's like plays. I'm just going off memory because I was looking at the at the um geotechnical report before I came, but that was like this afternoon. I mean, if
we were to move from like the lowest depths, I think there's clay and then it gets sandy and then you move up into like an urban fill layer which can which is for the most part is really going to be kind of taken away like kind of by the time we're done. Um
with um like the new layer of like pavement subbases, uh landscape subbase, uh bases, field subbases being um really controlled materials, right? Like a like a like a gravel fill, structural structural fills, you know, something
that that's clean, well-g graded and meets certain sub analysis. You know, I I I recall and I stand to be corrected on this, but the the reason why I mentioned that is I I can remember when the high school, present Revier
High School was being built, some of that land, it was a brickyard, clay pit, whatever. And one of the reasons why the high school is where it is and not where the fields are, which would have been actually a better site was because of that profile of the soil
underneath. They really couldn't put the building on that spot. And we're not talking that far away from this spot either. We're matter of fact, all you do is cross the highway and you're there. And I'm wondering if you have any similar
problems with the composition of the soil in that area and that that's kind of like what why I was bringing this on and bringing the right this to the forefront. Right. So so the so the soil
investigations we've done have led us to the foundation design that we're proposing for the building and to the design that we have today. I Not to speak out of ter the existing high school. That was part of like the
study and consideration. I think maybe you're correct about where the high school is located relative to the rest of the fields. Again, being involved in a lot of school projects. I think my feeling is when that pro when that high school was built, they everything was the path of
least resistance. Um, and and that's where it's ended up where it is today and why it's only one story and kind of like maybe functionally obsolete, maybe a lot earlier than it needed to be. But, you know, this this project that we're proposing here today
is, you know, as far as the timeline can take us is, you know, is what it's designed for. um you know we're looking at weather patterns and resiliency at least through 2070 which is kind of when the
models fall apart and then the project itself needs to be 50 year design the building and all that. So and because this is a state project, it's very important to reveal resources in it, but the mass state
building authorities also putting resources into it is we have to meet their guidelines for that type of resiliency to to address those questions. So the the geotechnical engineers on the project have done their investigations and fed that information
to us and to the people who are designing the foundations who are the structural engineers to to put together the systems that so in 50 years from now whoever's standing here or 100 years hopefully this school is still still functioning as as it was
designed. Also a shorter version of that answer is the full geotechical report is in is at the last 100 pages of that 400 pages if anyone wants to look with the easiest thing to look at is the borings and I think there's before the borings there's a summary page of like
the findings you mind continuing? All right, I will try to go through the rest of this rapid fire. Uh so, uh just wanted to talk a bit about the resource areas that we discussed and that I explained at the top of the presentation
and the compliance with the performance standards for work within those resource areas. Um the site has a wide variety of them overlapping each other in a lot of cases as well. Um, and so this image is sort of similar to the existing conditions image that was next to the
aerial in the first side that I showed, but this shows the the proposed conditions. And what's really a standout part of this is that blue polygon that I explained was the bordering land subject to flooding extent up to elevation 4.55
now encompasses a larger extent of the site as a result of the proposed project. You see that the building itself, like I said earlier, the parking garage is at elevation four and the first floor elevation at elevation 19 allows for flood waters between
elevation 4 and up to the 100year flood plane at 11 or 12 to flow freely underneath the building. Uh and also the two athletic fields are set at elevations three to four. So, those are also um going to receive uh bordering
land subject to flooding, flood plane at a 100-year flood event. Um the next couple of slides on slides, I'm just going to break out all of these resource areas so we can get a better grasp on everything. Um so, this first one shows the buffer zone impacts and the impacts
to that non-bordering freshwater wetland or the isolated wetland within the dog track. So, on the left of all these images, you'll see the existing conditions. On the right you'll see the proposed. So you see on the right the school building itself is partially within that um isolated wetland
footprint. That's something we came to the commission in August of 2024 to discuss and went over some mitigation commitments that the team um was prepared to provide as part of the project to mitigate for uh the permanent impact of that wetland which I'll touch
on at the very final slide of the presentation. Um but what you can see in the dark green hatched line work is a portion of the school. Some of the um internal driveways and parking areas are also within the buffer zone. But notably we have that outdoor learning classroom
with a diverse landscape planting plan being implemented there and replacing essentially a lot of invasive non-native species. We have fragmitees growing up into the meadow there. Japanese notweed, multifllora rose, Asiatic bittersweet, like a lot of those things in the limit
of work will be removed as a result of the project and replaced with this diverse planting plan. Um, and again on sort of the east side of the eastern county ditch, a reduction in imperous area within the buffer zone um should be an improvement to the conditions.
Uh, we also have some impacts to bordering vegetated wetland along the eastern county ditch and bank to the eastern county ditch. Um earlier when Dave was speaking to some of the outfalls along the eastern county ditch, you'll see we have outfalls one through
six. Um on this image, um I believe two of them are existing outfalls that we're uh reutilizing, essentially rerouting the drainage infrastructure within the site and connecting to the existing uh outfalls. And there are going to be four
new outfalls um to bank along the eastern county ditch for the outfalls. There's really only temporary disturbance which is grading to accommodate installation and then it'll be restored in place after uh the completion of construction. The
compensatory storage area sort of in the top right of the image between outfall 5 and six is where that compensatory storage area in the outdoor learning classroom is going to connect with the eastern county ditch. So that's 20 linear feet of impacts. It does exceed
the regulatory threshold for bank impacts. So we provided a wildlife habitat evaluation within the notice of intent application to comply with that standard. I think this image is really the most telling about the discussion we've been having uh with the reduction of imperous
area on the site. This is sort of a paired image of the riverfront area which extends 200 feet from the eastern county ditch um in addition to existing impervious on the site. So the Impervious is shown in gray. You see the
200 foot and 100 foot extending from the eastern county ditch. And there are certain hatchworks that show where pavement is within that riverfront area. Um some areas we're calling previously developed which is essentially the raised elevated uh portion of the dog
track where like once it was degraded and didn't have top soil. It was just sort of a sandy racetrack and now there's some invasive colonizing vegetation um growing there. Um and then there are some areas of undisturbed riverfront area. So that's
where you see on sort of the north side of the eastern county ditch where the dashed line work is extending in that upland meadow that is currently undisturbed. But as you see on the right image at proposed, we really just have some walking paths and the boardwalks um
proposed in that area. And you can see that sort of the blue like the light blue and dark blue hatch work extending within that 100 and200 foot riverfront area really decreases as a result of the project. So overall within the 200 foot
riverfront area, we're decreasing impervious area by 9.8%. Uh or about 51,000 square feet. Uh this might be my last resource area we need to talk about. This is the bordering land subject to flooding, which can sometimes be the most
complicated one, but uh Niche Engineering prepared a really detailed colored graphic to go with our notice of intent application. So I just kind of pulled the overarching theme out of that to share with you today. On the left you have the existing and right proposed
um the concept of complying with the bordering land subject to flooding regulatory standards is for every cubic yard of fill that you're placing at a one foot increment you need to replace that at a 1:1 ratio um with comp comp uh
compensatory storage. So on the left at existing niche broke down each elevation with a different color. So you see uh the darkest color which is just a couple of squiggly lines in the eastern county ditch is elevation 0 to 0.99. Then you
get to the red which is point uh one one to 1.99. You get to yellow which is 2 to 2.99. Blue is 3 to 3.99. And then the green is 4 to 4.55 because remember the BLSF
extends just up to elevation 4.55. Um now on the right side, so you see sort of on the left side, it all kind of extends from the eastern county ditch and just kind of bleeds out of that area. And you can see at the proposed conditions, um the way that Nich has
graded the site um really distributes that a little more evenly and allows it to spread around the site rather than just in concentrated areas within the site. Um but more importantly to comply with the performance standards again we need to meet at least 1:1 ratio of the
uh proposed storage for what is lost at each foot increment. So if you lose 10 feet at 0 to 0.99 you can't make up for that at a higher elevation. Um so niche put together this compensatory storage analysis table um that shows that at
each foot increment we're increasing storage at the site. Um so cumulative total. The proposed project results in an increase of storm water storage of 5,116 cubic yards. Um, which far exceeds the
regulatory requirements, but also just would result in an overall improvement to the storm water uh storage capacity of the site. Um, with that, I just wanted to sort of run through a lot of these mitigation and site improvements we've been talking
throughout this presentation. Um, this is sort of the same colored rendering plan that we started the presentation at the top, but this shows the sort of multimodal transportation opportunities throughout the site uh through pedestrian multi-use path. There is a uh
shared use path proposed along uh VFW Parkway and Northshore Road to allow bicycles um and other means of access to the site. Um but in addition to a lot of the things we've already been talking about, notably the reduction of impervious area at 6 and a half acres.
Um you know, actually looking at this list, I think we've touched on every single one of these throughout this presentation. So, I I may just leave it there because I imagine there are a lot of questions to get to. So, um happy to pass it back to the commission.
Thank you very much, Claire. I appreciate the data and the presentation. Um it was quite extensive. I tried my best to keep it short. I'm sorry. No, it's okay. Um I I just want to
remind folks that this is for for, you know, we're talking about the high school era and how it impacts this area and things that I see in that have come up in this presentation that, you know, we have these two large turf fields and
people will see turf fields and say, "Oh, that's not impervious." But quite the contrary, that's those are as just as good as um pvious surfaces. So, with that being said, um I can
definitely understand why some of our commissioners might have some reservations about approving this tonight and it is a lot of data to go through. It is certainly a large plan. Um, but I'd like to open up
to the commission and with any further questions about this. Um, would any of the commissioners like to discuss potentially having a third party review and potentially postponing at this time? I I understand um
obviously the concerns from that were brought up and I think that they are things that we should absolutely think about, but I I do think with the eyes that are on this and the people that are the ones that have done this and the fact that they do third party reviews
already, even if they've done it internally, we understand. Um, I just think there's too too many eyes that have already looked this over and that have reviewed it for us to make that a necessity. I I believe that what's been
done is done correctly and um I don't think that it's necessary, but obviously that's my one opinion as one commissioner. It's up to everybody else to make that determination. But if you know me being asked just from seeing the site looking over I'm not I didn't look
over 47,000 pages but from looking over and what I've seen with my knowledge of you know obviously limited knowledge compared to the people presenting I would just say that I feel that the due diligence has been done and that I don't think in this
case it is necessary. I think it would be overkill in my opinion but yet again I'm just one commissioner. I'd like to hear thoughts from other commissioners about this as well. Um, I don't want to make a rash decision about this project and
discover that we've made the wrong decision essentially. And I know that the MEPA process is quite extensive. You have to go through numerous regulatory agencies and you certainly have to check all the boxes, so to speak. Yeah, that's correct. And sorry to
interrupt, but just to touch on that and expand on what Dave mentioned about that NEPA process. It's really it's not necessarily a permitting process. It's a regulatory review process that we submit o above and beyond the information that the commission receives in a notice of
intent. And all state agencies and even members of the public have opportunities to comment and review all the materials. And we've gone through two rounds of that review. the most recent of which submitted in February had the storm water and like all the detailed information that was provided to the
commission for this filing. Um and we did receive a comment letter from Mass D um wetlands who would be reviewing and issuing the file number and their comment letter did not indicate any issues with performance standard review. uh they reviewed the storm water
management uh plans and information as well and we did not receive any comments about non-compliance with the storm water management standards. Um and to my knowledge I checked this morning we received a file number from D and have no technical comments from them either.
So I just wanted to point that out as well. Yes, it was definitely surprising with how extensive this project is that there weren't any comments. I was fully anticipating that we would have something I think they've seen enough. They have seen enough of us is right. Um
and I do think that the amount of impervious service that you will be removing is is great. And I think that the development of the site, having compensatory flood storage, having a
robust um infiltration system that with its multi-stage and more of a natural process uh to filter it out as you get closer to the eastern county ditch. Um some of the plan some of the portions of
the plan that I was able to review were quite extensive. The the on andm plan was something that I particularly was thought was thoughtful the way that it was laid out and that it would be
something as Dave said would be ongoing. This is not something that's just going to the building's built and it's just going to stop. Um, and I don't think the neighbors over on Dun Road or Sagamore or even the MBTA are going to be happy if that site that the flood storage
stops working. Um, and especially the folks that are using the or the Eastern County ditch getting clogged up to the point where it can't even move through its culverts on the site. So,
I can definitely understand why we would want to have third party, but from my standpoint, I don't think that it would be necessary for that to happen just considering the amount of hoops you proverbial hoops you've had to jump through.
If I may also, if it would help commission members ahead of the next meeting, like I understand that there's still more to digest and it might be appropriate to continue tonight's meeting to the next one, but if the commission wants to provide in an email maybe a bullet list of very like the
specifics you want us to pull out of the application to make it more digestible, we can certainly do that and provide that in addition to any supplemental information that the commission requests to facilitate the review. I think that would definitely be reasonable.
I think that's part of my point. You know, you can give us the total suspended solids numbers. You can give us the um amount of, you know, in previous service that you're getting now versus what it was. You can give us all of these numbers, but then we have to go
figure out what these numbers and we just don't have that knowledge or time. And I mean we can in in this jurisdiction we can build within the 100 foot riverfront area. Like that's just occurring to me. I don't think you can
again like without spending a week reading the page document and looking at our bylaws and just have no idea. Yeah. Know what to ask for. And we I could certainly, you know, pull information out of the full package because I know with the storm water
package, in addition to our report, there's a lot to go through. In the notice of intent narrative, we do have the regulatory compliance section that really spells out and has sort of pasted regulatory references to be able to crossch checkck and make sure that we're
sort of addressing those adequately when it comes to the uh riverfront area. That is a really good point that in a lot of cases you can't build within that first 100 feet. But uh a big interesting component I guess about this
site is that it has these sort of three layers of riverfront area um that are split out for regulatory compliance uh situation which is uh degraded which would be areas that are lacking top soil
uh so pavement gravel um things like that uh previously developed which like I said earlier on the side of the screen. That's sort of the outer ring or the elevated dog track that it was previously developed, but now it has some vegetation growing on it, but it's
not really like your natural looking area. Um, and then sort of the undeveloped areas. So, when you're dealing with work within degraded riverfront area, the goal uh of achieving compliance with the performance standard is to um not do any
more work or in you're not increasing the degraded within that riverfront area and we really go into detail in that in the report. So if if it's easier I can sort of like pull that text out and put it into a more like condensed couple of pages rather than having you guys dig
through a big So I guess that's kind of my point too. I'm I saw that and know that that's obviously a law but you can you explained degraded versus non-degraded. This is the first time I'm hearing about degraded versus
my review is going to be meaningless if I can't pull stuff like that out of their board. Yeah. Okay. Um, Mr. Chairman, can I ask one more quick question, please? This really is in
conservation, but I'm it's a curiosity more than anything. You have a many areas that are designated as uh uh garden areas and I I forgot the term that you used the natural outdoor classroom.
Are they going to be lighted? That's a great question. I don't think the natural outdoor classroom is I'll let uh EMTT speak to that. He's been working on a lot of these gardens. So, some of the major pathways will be lit for safety reasons and for
circulation. But the further you get away from the building, the areas that are meant to be more natural will not be lit and are not intended to be occupied after hours. Um, but the main circulation pathways will be lit to safe levels. Can I assume that D is going to be lit?
It's in between buildings. Correct. Yes. And uh not G. Not G. Right. Thank you. Yep. So
to one of one of our tom's um point with the 100 foot buffer zone and the what I expressed while we were on site about what kind of treatment applying to these uh imperous surfaces,
the parking areas that are close to the ditch, you know, having things like that, you know, upgrades of not using sodium chloride and things of that nature. Um, only because I'm sure that you would want to maintain the roadway
that goes around the building. Um, it just it is a lot to really wrap our brains around. Um, and I I feel it I feel that we
definitely need to if you agree that we would need to this to really kind of have a really good look at it. Um have a discussion offline about how we might want to proceed with a peer review or third party peer review with of this uh
just to kind of give it a little bit more. Not that we don't trust you guys. It's that's that's all we're getting here or trust me of the MEA process in that vein, but I think that it having a some time to kind of really dig into it
um all of the commissioners I think would be valuable um to make a an informed decision and I definitely think that we would probably have to have a more constructive offline conversation about how we really want to proceed so that we can keep this meeting moving
forward but um I would open it up to other commissioners to for their thoughts about how we want to proceed. is do you think that a that continuing this till next month would be sufficient amount of time or
I mean I I think we should continue it anyways but thoughts please well I personally I think that it's it's overkill at this point in my personal opinion I I do understand having the additional reviews but with the fact
that they've gone through the fact that they were going through all of this that they have 10 million eyes on them. They've done all these reports. I just feel at this point that we should be good, but I respect your opinion as chair. I respect the opinions of others on this commission. Um, and I don't
think it could hurt anything to have to do the extra reviews. I just am somebody that is costconcious. Even though I know how much money this thing's going to cost, I just think it's going to cost additional money and time for the additional review. And I I personally think it's overkill, but um I will
respect the opinion of uh the rest of the commissioners for what they decide they want to do. If they decide they want to continue it, my personal opinion would be that um we should be good to move forward, but I will yet again respect what everyone else wants to do.
Thank you. Um, I definitely think we need some more time to review for sure. And, um, I definitely appreciate the time given to us to do this. Um, or to give it its due
justice here as well. You've had quite a long time to plan it and I want to make sure that we give you our due diligence in reviewing it as well. Um, I don't know if a month might will be sufficient if we're going to be doing the review.
Um, if not, we might have to have somebody else and we'll obviously reach out to you guys about that as well. Right. Um, and to that point, I know I guess at this point we're at July. Um, the construction schedule is really
aggressive and tight. Um, and our hope was to sort of get through this review process and be in a good place come August, which is the next meeting. Um, and I completely understand. I don't want to push the commission's comfortability on the other hand of that either. So, if there's anything that the
project team can do, whether it's scheduling another site visit, I know we did one on May 30th, um, and only a few commission members could make it. So, we could absolutely schedule another one this coming month before the August meeting if anybody else wanted to get eyes on the site. It will look a little
different from May 30th because now we're into the phase one demolition, but at least if commission members had questions after a couple of weeks of getting a closer look, maybe after we've pulled out some of that really pertinent information for commission members to review. If it would help to have a site
visit and just sort of go over that again to refresh memories. Great. Or whatever you need. We're happy to do anything. I appreciate that. So, I I think what we'll do is we'll hold off on questions of Well, we don't have any more questions,
but I'd like to um open it up for any opponents of the project at this time, seeing as we're kind of at a loss here. Some John Shu 221 rice. I've been providing some administrative and technical support for the conservation
commission. So, if you guys are going to go down the path of a peer review, you need to vote on it. That's what you want to do. Uh you need to get concurrence from the applicant. You'll need someone to write a scope of work. Uh you'll need to bid it out.
Um and then that person at a meeting when that's ready, they'll come and present to you and the questions you've had uh regarding that. Um this is July 10th. You're probably not going to get that done by the next
meeting. Uh so this will push it until the September meeting. Just kind of want to let you guys know that. The honest would be on the applicant to bid it out. What's that? The honest would be on the applicant to bid it out.
No, no. The third party review is under the opices of the conservation commission. It's your contractor. They will pay for it, but it's under the opices of the conservation commission. You write the scope. You coordinate with the
contractor um money has to be deposited into an escrow account um upfront. And so you have you have to kind of get a bid up front to know how much it is to get the applicant to agree to it. Is it Is it $10,000? Is it
$20,000? Um, you know, the last time we did this was for the high school project for the uh determination of the boundaries and I think that ran under $10,000 for that. Um, so it's it's probably under
that. What I mean with this being such a bigger report, I mean, wouldn't you feel that it might be more expensive than that? Well, again, what is it you're looking to get clarified?
Um, that's kind of part of your scope that you'd have to decide. Are you only interested in looking at the storm water report and does this meet all the standards uh from a third party review? Um
that's that's fairly limited. Um all right. So at this time I think we'll just we're going to have to continue this. It is definitely a lot of information that we need to really review. So I think that
it would be prudent for us to extend to August at the very minimum and probably have a little discussion after this. Um, but yes, any more questions? Good evening. My name is Marajgo and I'm
the owner of the property located at 28 Shamud Street. So basically my house is like next to the project and I have like three questions but I know it's late and I don't know if you want to hear me today or if you want to wait until next
hearing that I can come back with my questions basically. Um so it's up to you. No go ahead please. Okay by all means. Uh so my house is located like next to the ditch. So basically the
start under my driveway. So, and we share the fence. So, by the city owns um one part and the fence by the other side. Now, there is a lot of vegetation or we don't know how we call it that is
overgrowth. So the former owner of the property, they um every year they go there and cut everything and throw away the vegetation and everything. Since the city owns the property, so they haven't done anymore. So now that vegetation is
going to my house to the fence on top and is attaching to my house. So I don't know if I can cut that vegetation or not or what should I do because that now it's attaching to my house. So that's one of the things. So the
second thing is um so before when the drains start that thing get clogged when was a lot of rains or heavy rains. So and I know we were talking about the storm uh water. So I'm worried that in
the future with the this project I can get again with a lot of overflow on my driveway probably my house too. So, the drainage that's currently on the site is definitely severely degraded. So, I can understand why you would
probably be experiencing an increased amount of water on your adjacent to your property. Um, and that's something that this project will hopefully rectify. Uh, to answer your other question, if that vegetation is
encroaching on your property, you have every right to maintain it and get rid of it. The thing is I I've been calling to the uh 311 uh to ask to for a visit that they can see if they can cut it or maintain the vegetation cut as it was
before. But they every time that I open a case, they just close it. They just close the case. They don't answer my calls. They never do a visit. So I've been in this process since last October and I haven't get any answer from the city.
Okay. So your address is again, I'm sorry. Uh 28 sham. Okay. Yeah. The last one is so when you do the vis I don't know if you have seen there is a tower in the middle. So I don't
know if you noticed but there is a nest that belongs to a eagle. So every year the eagle comes. I'm sorry I don't know it sounds so weird but I'm worried about the eagle because she comes every year and has his eagles there
and she stays like since May until September. So I think right now she's there and I'm so worried about her because probably when you remove the tower so there's no more nest for her. So I'm worried if we can rehome that
tower or what's going on? So because she comes every year I've been living there for eight years and she comes every year. Um, not sure. I'd have to see what kind of species it is. I'm not sure what kind of protection it's it has or um I think
these folks here I was going to ask if if he could respond. Yeah, absolutely. I can't speak to to the Osprey. We know it's there. Um, we're actually that light tower that it nests in um is part of phase one demo scope, but we're not going to touch it until it's gone. Um,
so we're going to monitor uh when when that thing heads south, I guess. take that tower down. And as um was noted in the plan before, we do have ultimately a replacement for it, but um that light tower that that nests in won't be touched until it's gone for the season.
Appreciate that. I didn't realize it was the osprey that was doing that was nesting in there. Thank you, Chair. Do you mind if I ask him one other question? Absolutely. um her you uh based off of her concerns for the vegetation. Um would would your team be able to help
her with that instead of her having to go through the city, which obviously isn't doing anything um or having us having to do that due diligence? Would you guys be willing to just help her out and take care of that problem? Yeah, we can figure it out. I'll definitely as the owners project manager, Brian Day for the record, left
field. Um um we can talk to her. I understand there are a few the wonderland property sort of tooths out to sham at a few places. Uh a few of those are outside of our uh our scope of work, but one way or the other I think it's something that
between us and the city I can help coordinate and make happen. So I'll make sure she has my contact info. And that's exactly what I was going to ask if if you can give her your contact information. That way it because you know we're going to play the runaround game and as a as a homeowner that I I have issues with issues and this is DCR,
this is Army Corps. It's Yep. in the city. There could be 10 different organizations that have the rights to something and they all do nothing. So if you have the ability to help this woman, greatly appreciate it. Sure. Thank you. Thanks. Sounds good. And and thank you for the extension or the continuence on this. Um
but anyways, let's uh let's continue on here. Still a lot of stuff to get through. Um, next up is a request for determin determination of applicability. Uh, oh, sorry. I didn't see that. I
apologize. Did we go through the vote to continue or where do we stand with this? No, we're going to continue it till next time. Um, is is that acceptable for me? We accept the continuation. I just want to go over I guess next steps is we'll
we'll be in touch. on um I'll be pulling out some pertinent information based on the commission's interests today and questions today to try to give you a more sort of like condensed submitt and we will be in touch on next steps. Is
that correct? Yes. Okay. Oh, and Brian, and I'd like to thank the commission and um I completely understand where you folks come from that you're looking out for the city's best interest. In a way, that's also my job. Um so um I would we
have no problem continuing to next month. Um if we have to go into September, this starts becoming a chance that it could ripple into holding off phase one construction. This has been a tightly wound schedule from day one. Took a while to get this project passed
locally. Um and I really would encourage the commission to reach out to us to see what we could do with our consultants to see if there's some flexibility. If you'd like outside answers, we have a myriad of companies looking at this, including peer reviewers. Um,
anything we could help you with to try to get you comfortable um to potentially an August approval would absolutely hold the schedule. Um, if needed, if we have to go into September and certainly after that, uh, my message to the city would probably have to be, well, we have to adjust our
schedule. Um, and unlike a lot of residential or commercial projects, we really only have one window per year to move into a school. Um, there's not much of an option to move in two months late, three months late. So, um, anything we could do to help the committee to um,
get everyone uh, understanding of what the engineering is here and how we think we've done the right thing would be um, would be encouraged. Um, we're here. we can meet any time and um reach out with any questions, but I just really would love to see this be able to get to a
point we're all on the same page in August. That'd be great. Um and if you do have any uh peerreview information that you can share with us, um that would be great. That would be a great place to start. If you already have it that that a third party review that you've already
done that you could provide to us that would kind of ease our tension a little bit about making this decision, that would be great. and obviously pulling out information from the plan. Anything that commissioners you I would encourage
uh any concerns that you might have to reach out to these folks and ask for the information. We we we don't know what we don't know, but we want to make sure we know. So, if you could provide some of that peer review stuff you've already received
invaluable and we can maybe we can just kind of internally get this if you already have peer reviews of the work that or of the designs and numbers that you've crunched and so on and so forth. So, I think that would definitely help.
Absolutely. We do have a firm um on board to review the we're in the finishing the 60% construction document phase right now to review uh 60% 90% shop drawings and final implementation from a storm water and flood mitigation
point of view. Sanborn Head is the name of that company. um they're one of the people I'll call uh in the morning too because I know they've started work to see where they're at. So I I just wanted to give some peace of mind that beyond uh MEPA MSBA reviews, internal reviews, we'll make as much of that
information as we have uh available to you. Um but do understand as far as David Conway's engineering and work go um we have a peer reviewer staying on for the duration of the project, not only to make sure the design's where it's at, but that it gets bid and implemented properly on behalf of the
city. Okay. Um, that actually carries a lot of float in my mind. Um, but thank you very much for providing that information. Thank you. Appreciate it. Okay. You ready? All right. Um, so as I was saying, uh, next up is a request for determination of
applicability 907 Northshore Road. Uh, this was the removal of a billboard. Uh, the applicant is Noah, Ultraloom Services. Um, and the owner is the city of Rever. So, if you wouldn't mind.
Um, are you you're the one doing the removal? Yes, please come up. If you could uh Yeah, if you could state your name and you got to put your mic on. It'll turn red when it's on. There you
go. There you are. My name's Greg Zomik. I'm Noah Zomik's father, the applicant. We met with you on the site, correct? Yeah. Yes, that's right. That's right. You you showed up in the Mercedes that we were kind of baffled that it was a work car.
Uh now I'm starting to remember. Okay. Yes. On the side of the road near that uh auto body place. Hello again, sir. Yeah. May May 31st. Yes, we did. Um so with this with this project, I think one of the biggest concerns I have is I
know you said you going to be doing the majority of the work with hand tools or all the work Um, I just have concerns that you won't be able to get the larger pieces of steel out unless you cut them into extremely small pieces and lower them
down carefully in the marsh area. Um, so I'm just kind of I just want to elaborate a little bit when you say hand tools and how you're going to get it out of there. Yes. So there will be no equipment driven in to the the wetlands. We would go in with basically um band saws,
a torch, um you know, just disassemble with ladders, take it down piece by piece from the top down. Those beams will be cut into I don't know the exact weight, but it'll be
um you know, probably 100 pound pieces, carry them out to and load them where we we met on Highland. Okay. No, no plans of um do it all the time. Picking or having cranes coming in? Nothing like on the Northshore road or
something like that. No impedement of traffic or anything like that. No, there's power lines there. So, we really can't get a boom up near I think anyway. And we we normally this small of a sign we we demolition by hand. Okay. Um any other questions from the
commissioners on this? I would just state it as having been to visit it. The it's decrepited. So, it's not like you're removing one of those beautiful new ones. This is an old one that I God knows how long it's been sitting there. So, the removal of this will beautify that area. So, I'm just
want to state for the other commissioners that may not have seen it. Um I would this is going to look a lot better when it done and the fact that you're not disturbing the area is great as well. So, thank you. Um, anything else? No.
So, is this are we going to voting for a negative determination? Yes. Yeah. This they're they're applying for a negative determination that it wouldn't be impacting um any of the resource areas. Um I'm a little reluctant to make it a
negative determination only because of the amount of work. I know it's a small sign, but it's still a considerable amount of work. and you know, torches, uh, things of that nature, uh, going in there. And when do you plan on doing the work? Is what's your timetable? Is is
this a as soon as possible type situation or are you going to wait till the weather gets a little colder and there's less fragmitees all around? When do you when timetable wise? I mean, when once we get your approval, your blessing, we would apply for a building permit. Uh then we have to get
a hot work permit and a fire detail out there because we use a torch. Yep. And um it's it's minimal. It's really minimal. I mean a path in which there already is a path in because when they go in to service the board, they walk in and out and we typically anything we do lay
over, they pop back up in two days. Any of this stuff. So seasonal it won't be an issue. It's literally uh about one day of work. there and then one day carrying out possibly could even get it done all in
one day. It's not a lot of uh work. Okay. Um I would definitely not want to have any of the debris laid down in the area. I would definitely as soon as you cut it off the top, send it out. Um that's that would be what I would do
and that would make me feel comfortable for a negative determination for this. I want to see a trash pile lay down and then it sits there for a couple weeks and it's, you know, but I would definitely like to make sure that it goes as soon as it gets cut off the board. Absolutely.
Okay. Um I don't know. I I don't seeing as how they're not going to be putting any heavy machinery, they're not going to be doing anything other than using hand tools and obviously uh hot works permits with a firewatch. Um I don't think this
will have a major impact. on this resource area. And if no other commissioners have any questions, I would say that this would be I'd like to call for a motion of a negative determination of applicability. I'll make a motion for a negative
determination of applicability. Second. All in favor? I. Excellent. Thank you very much. We'll have paperwork out to you soon and uh we'll get this done. But thank you very much for your time. we wait for the paperwork and
yeah, we have to get this u filed and um submitted to the D before we can proceed and then you can get your building permit, apply for the hot works permit and all of that stuff. So um but we can definitely talk a little bit more offline. Uh our
uh interim conservation agent can definitely help you out a little bit more as well, but um you'll be hearing from us soon, okay, with everything. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right. Uh, next up is a notice of intent, 74 Dun Road. This is an addition
to a single family home. Um, D file number 0610847. Um, the applicant is Samuel. Good evening. My name is Samuel. I am the owner of 74.
I'm just gonna opening for us. Um, so yes, if you would if your team is here to present, uh, if you'd like to come up and just kind of give us a little bit of an overview, I don't know if you have any materials that you can provide. Um, I think we've
gone out to the site twice now. Um, and for some of the commissions that haven't gone out, it's all open at this point and they don't plan on increasing imperous uh surface on the site. Um,
so they they'll I'll let them kind of describe it a little bit more, but uh it is definitely an interesting project to say the least with all the drainage you guys have that is currently coming out of the house and what you have as as far as you know your
paper driveway there that needs a little bit of attention. Um but yes, please go ahead if you could state your name. Yes. Hi, I'm the contractor and um what we're proposing is an addition to a one family home. Um it's just one level. The
bottom is going to be open. Um so the water's going to be able to flow through it. Um it's 657 square ft. Um it's small, not too big. And you said the elevation of the first floor was 14 feet when we were on
site. 11 11 sorry the first floor elevation is 11. Correct. Um so this is basically going to be a um addition on piling. So everything will be open underneath and the media
that are going to be putting uh crush stone correct crush stone underneath. Okay. Um, I don't know. So, any questions? Hi. So, I was at the site yesterday. I I
notice you have a small porch in the back. Yes. And then there's a grass area and then there's some patio blocks at the far end. Yes. So, I would assume that the p the porch is going Yes. And that's going to part of this
addition. Yes. And that's also going to be the level of the first floor. Yeah. So, the levels is going to be about 2 feet higher than the actual home. So, it's going to be almost the same level as the home.
And will it go as far as the blocks and the stern in the back? No, it's not going to go all the way. Not going to go that far. So, it's going to end somewhere where the grass is. Yes. So, it's going to extend 26 ft out from the Okay. I I didn't take a measurement. So
I'm But that would probably be somewhere in the grass area that exists now. Yes. Correct. Correct. Yeah. And then you're going to put crushed gravel underneath. Yes. That was the only problem when I saw the place because I was worried about compensatory storage, but the way you
are proposing this, there won't be a problem with that. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions from commissioners? At this time, I'd like to open up to the audience for any questions about the
project. Um, either for or against. Okay. And no other comments or questions from the commissioners. Okay. Um, chairman, do we have a plan that we're going to approve? So, you you Yeah, you have submitted
your plan already. Um, 74 Dun Road. I actually reviewed it yesterday, but yes, they they have their plan submitted and you have your butter notifications um that yeah, when I saw you come in uh with your
lovely folder there, but um so you you have your legal notice in, the butters have been notified, you have a D file, um plans have been submitted, storm water on the site is definitely not going to be a problem.
And as long as you are capable of making sure that the water is on their property still when it comes off the others, I really don't see a problem with granting this addition. Um, and if we don't have any comments or questions from anybody
in the audience or any comments or questions from the commissioners, I'd like to call for a motion. Make a motion to close out the hearing. Second. Second. All in favor? Hi. Excellent. Um,
I think that this is definitely going to be a great addition to what you have for living space right now. Uh, pardon the pun. And I hope it all goes well. And at this time, I'd like to call for a motion to approve
this notice of intent. Motion to approve the NOI. Second. All in favor? I. Thank you very much. I appreciate the time in the multiple site visit that you guys had gone on. Thank you.
Appreciate it. Excellent. Um, next up is uh a request for a certificate of compliance 26. road. Um, D file number 0610542.
Um, is there anybody here for the Yes, there you are. Thank you so much. I'm Anthony Guardi. I'm the attorney for the owner of 26 Curtis Road, Adel Assad. um he's selling the home
and about uh 20 years ago um there was an order of conditions uh for an addition that was going to be built. Um unfortunately the owner at the time the seller's father passed away uh shortly thereafter. Um the owner at the time was
young, never finished, never did any of the work. Um I think that was confirmed by Mr. Carlton and thank thank you for doing that on such short notice. Um, and now we're looking to clear the title by removing that order of conditions or
finding it that it has been um I guess you wouldn't say it would be approved. I guess it would just be a removal. Um, so I turn it over to the commission. Any questions or comments? Um the only item I would like to say is that I I do have
I guess the fortunate ability to work in different municipalities and um I was just so impressed uh with both Tom and I think John uh for responding incredibly quickly and being so prompt and so helpful. Um and Tom, I
know you're a volunteer, so uh I just have to tell you on behalf of the family, I know they appreciated it quite a bit. Yes. Thank Thank you very much for Good. Thanks. Yes. Yes, we did. I can confirm that the addition was never built. Excellent. Excellent. Um, and thank you very much
for your time and I'm sure that going jumping through these hoops to get this closed out was uh a little bit of a shock to see that you still had an open order of conditions on a piece of property. Uh, not uncommon, but um, thank you very much, Tom, for your and
John for your diligence in this uh, matter. Um, and seeing as how no work was done, I would like to call for a motion to approve the certificate of compliance. Motion to approve.
Second. Second. All in favor? I. I. Thank you very much. No. Thank you very much. Now, I'd like to tell you my complaints. Excellent. Okay. Where are we?
Okay, next up is a request for a certificate of compliance 102 summer street D number 0610815. Uh this was for a retaining wall and a um removal of pool regrading a little
bit. Um but I will uh let you take it away sir. Oh yes yes that's correct. uh the expansion of the next door neighbor's driveway as well. So, yes, I'll let you Yeah. Uh so, good evening, Ryan Rosine with God Consulting. Um as you might
remember, we were before you last year um for the demolition of the detached garage um shed and filling in of the inground swimming pool um and construction of the new retaining wall and along the actual property line, giving back the neighbor a portion of
their driveway. Um We submitted the asbuilt plan as you can see here. Um this here is the wall along the three sides there um along the property line. So it's been restored to the property line. Um this whole
interior area here where the the swimming pool was is now lawn. Uh it's fully grown in. There's no concerns with erosion. Um and that that's pretty much it. I know a couple members were there earlier this week and saw it. Um the
only in the original plan there was supposed to be uh this there's a small retaining wall on this side that was not constructed. Um it it was deemed that that wall there is it's a short wall you know one to three feet or two and a half
feet max. So it didn't actually need to come down. So that was not put in. And then the the large retaining wall here is about seven inches higher than what was originally proposed on the plans. Um, so that's a minor deviation that we
feel has no negative impacts on the resource areas. Um, so I guess I'll turn it over to you guys if there's any questions or comments. I had the, um, thank you very much for meeting with us
on site and walking it down. Um, and I can definitely confirm to the other commissioners that their the site is completely stabilized. grass has grown in um the retaining wall is up and the retaining wall on the back with their
neighbor is up as well. Um where they but the neighbor behind them and closer to the marsh that one's all in and the driveway on the other side where they gave back to the other property uh is stabilized
with um crush stone essentially instead of permeable or papers uh on that part of the property. Um so it is all stable. It is the retaining wall. They did what they said they were going to do. Uh aside from the two drains that were
supposed to be there, but the amount of open space in the blocks I think would more than make up for it. Um, but I definitely have some concerns about the spacing on the blocks and the layout of
it and the and the construction of it. Um, I have some concerns and I'm sure others who have seen it may have some similar concerns, but at this time I'd like to open up to any other commissioners if they have any comments, questions, concerns. Mr.
I was down there yesterday and I I thought it looked uh fantastic, but I'm puzzled by the openings on the top layer. The the openings of the blocks. Yeah. You didn't put a cap on it. And I
mentioned that before. And predictably there were two Dunkin Donuts cups and a bunch of straws. Uh people walking down the street and they just saw a hole and they put the stuff in there. Is it is it is it there for a reason? I mean, does that drag train all the way down to the to the
ground? I mean, they because the blocks below it, so the top ones are much more solid and they just have that smaller open at the top. The ones below it, like the second, third, fourth level down. They're they have the much bigger openings in the middle. So, they're more
just a a surrounded and then they're filled with the aggregate. So, because those are open from the top, water can percolate all the way down through those most likely. Well, you know, I wish there was a Is
there a solution? I I I would like to not have that be a trash disposal, but but but you would want that to be something that's porous, too. So, well, there's there's porest concrete,
too, but I don't know if that would work for us. Wall manufacturer makes Yeah, I think the wall manufacturer does make caps for those, but I don't think that was part of the original plan to have I don't believe the original plan
called for caps on the top, the plan that was approved. Actually, I think I did mention that, but it's it's not it's not a big deal, but it is understand. Yeah, I did I did see some
of that in there. Beautiful. Yeah. No, I agree. It looks better, but I did I did see that and it's unfortunate, but it can get cleaned up and um it's something that the homeowners are going to, you know, might have to deal with occasionally.
Heck, I'd even put something porous and then dirt on it and put some plants there. Put some screen so they can't do it. I don't know. Yeah. Um I I think that considering what it was before, the pool
and all that impervious surface, that it definitely had um it has a lot more value the way it is now as as from a conservation standpoint. And I think that the project has definitely been an improvement and you definitely met aside
from those two drains, um everything has been met on the site and you know, you didn't do that work on the right side with the retaining wall, but that's peanuts comparatively speaking um to what it was. But I feel as though that
they made the improvements that they said they were going to make and they definitely met their order of conditions as far as drainage is concerned putting up a retaining wall and restoring the property back to the neighbor. Um I don't I don't see any of the neighbors
here um who would be in opposition to it. So that's a good sign. And um that the building inspector did already sign off and yes did a final inspection of the wall and passed it. So So with that said uh if the building
inspector said gave their blessing and you have met your uh obligations for the portions of construction. Uh I see no reason why we can't approve this um certificate of compliance.
Um yes please. Um, just on Joe's point, would is it possible to just not the whole thing, but just the part where people would be walking by where they would just take a Dunkin' Donuts cup and throw it in there
to Yeah. Is it possible to have just caps on just those or or even like a w something wire where things can still get through it, but it's not a doesn't look like trash because I mean at the end of the day, we're the new homeowners may just let it lapse and we're trying to we want to beautify Rivier. We want
River. We live here. we love this place. So things like that just preventative because the next owner may not care and this is our one chance to help that. Is there any way to have that done or possibly? I I don't know the exact solution. I mean there is a chainlink fence right on top of it. So you can't
you wouldn't be able to you would have to take up the entire fence and then to put on like a cap from the manufacturer. You could also fill it with aggregate as well. You could fill it with aggregate all the way to the top. That way nothing can get in there. Um, you could also maybe install some sort of screen on top. I don't know how exactly you would attach
that to the top. Is there a cheap option you're willing to do? Whatever. I mean, I would have to So, my the applicant sold the property um earlier this year. So, there's new owners of that house that are technically now in charge of that
property. And I don't know what they would be willing to do. I believe the cheapest option would be to fill it with gravel. Are you open to having that conversation with them. I haven't had any contact with them. Um I can certainly try, but I don't want to
hold up the COC. Yeah, we're not looking to hold it up. I'm just saying, you know, if you can just have that conversation because like you said, if it's already got trash in it now, God knows what it'll be like in two months, you know, it just I just want it to look nice.
Yeah. No, I I can absolutely reach out to them. might have a a kind of a middle person that I've never directly contacted them through another person, but I can at least let them kind of know what your concerns were and see if they would be open to that. But I I can't make any promises right now.
So stone strong blocks need to be filled with aggreate. That's that's their standard. That's any stone literature will tell you has to be filled to the top with aggreate. So it shouldn't cost anyone money. The person who built the wall extremely
poorly should come back out and fill the holes with aggregate like they're supposed to. I can talk to the contractor. It's should be the contractor and then escrow can settle. Yeah, I can it would have to be a conversation between the contractor and the the applicant who you know the
original applicant of NOI that hired the contractor. I tried to look out for the current owner but No, I know how it's built. Mhm. Yeah. Um I definitely we've definitely expressed our concerns in the
construction of the wall. Um and I think that a verbal agreement between us and having this uh certificate of compliance off your plate would be a great thing for you. Um and I definitely feel comfortable and I'm almost willing to wager and I'll put two to one odds on it
that it was a contractor that put those Dunkin Donut cups inside there. I I I believe it was as well. So reach out to the contractor, make sure that they have completed it to spec what the blocks require. To his his points, the
filling of it of aggregate all the way to the top. Yep. That minor detail. I will definitely call for um a motion to approve the certificate of compliance. I'll make a motion to approve the certificate of compliance.
Can I get a second? Second. All in favor? I I Thank you very much, Ryan. And um I appreciate the multiple site visits and um I'll probably be following up to see about the aggregate filled in.
Yeah, I'll I'll definitely talk to the contractors and the previous applicants about that. And then I've also I know you mentioned on the site visit just real quick about the elevation certificate. So I did have talked with the surveyor. They are working on that. It's probably a couple weeks out, but we can get that to you. So I'd appreciate that.
All right. Thank you very much. Excellent. Uh so next up, another request for a certificate of compliance. This is uh 55 Sagamore D file number 0610839. This was the notice of intent after the
fact where the applicant uh did a PA patio and we walked down the site. I I believe Tom was there, maybe Brian, Joe. I'm not exactly sure who was there, but we did that it is um exactly how their drawings that they presented.
Um and I think that this would be well within our purview to make to approve the certificate of compliance. They they're really not planning on doing any of the work and everything that they have in that backyard is still
um pvious as well. Um, so for the sake of time here, I would if you have any Does anybody have any questions about this? No. Okay. Say it again. I'm sorry. I I took the liberty of going down there
yesterday just to refresh refresh my memory. And it's fine down there. It's exactly what we Yeah, it's it's exactly how the plans are laid out, which is great. And they also are This site is completely stabilized. there's no portion of it where there is exposed dirt or anything
of that nature. So, I think that approving this uh certificate of compliance would be great for the owner. Um and I'd call for a motion for um to approve the certificate of compliance. I'll make a motion to approve the certificate of compliance. Second. Second.
All in favor? I. Thank you. All right. Uh next up is a notice of intent 660 River Beach Boulevard. This is a demolition and construction of a new home on the same footprint on the same foundation. Um the I don't have the
the D file number. It's uh 061084 8. Did you say uh wait so open up the uh Yes. So your legal notice just before I open up the hearing you had your
um legal notice was uh put in uh notification of the abutters. Do you have that for us today? Okay. Um Okay, let's let's get this going. Yeah, you can put that right up here. Thank you very much.
Oh, I didn't even see that. Thank you. Sorry, I didn't catch that. All right. Sorry. Um, amza Zolvand, uh, Native Tech, uh, 31 Monroe Street, Lynn. Uh I also have my supervisor here, Robert Marini. Uh we're
presenting notice of intent uh 660 REI Beach Boulevard uh for uh for water notifications were given. Uh we have a D file number 610848. Uh as of yet there are uh no comments.
The site exists uh on a barrier beach resource and in an AE flood zones. Um and it's bounded by velocity zone in the uh in the east beach side and bay in the
west side which is 15 ft elevation. The client would like to remove the existing house preserve the uh current foundation and raise the additional apartment on the elevated peers which are above the flood elevation.
Um here we have permit and there will be a sediment uh control barrier to prevent sedimentation
and um please let me know if you have any questions. Hi. So when we were walking down the site, the back of the foundation, the front of the house you said was 15 uh elevation was what was the back of
the of the foundation? Six. Six. Okay. Yeah, that's okay. Um yeah, that was definitely something. And that drawing that you have with the curve that's coming down, that's the one there. Yeah, if you could
point that out with the end of the The end of the foundation is please. Where is that at? It's there. Okay. And then the addition those pilings there, that's where you're going to have your uh apartments, correct? On those pilings.
Okay. Uh when we walked on the site, uh the was it the building commission? I'm not really sure who asked to remove the drains. Uh what is the plan for that? And what kind of excavation do you have to do for that? They will be removed.
Okay. What's the plan for that? I'm just How are you going to be doing it? Uh you're in a pretty low elevation. Just making sure everything's Do you have an idea of where the drainage system goes? Robert Native Tech. Uh the drains will
be removed and 4 in depth of water wash stone will be will be put down on the on the expanded footprint. Well, the now footprint of the uh apartment
and the deck between the owner wants to keep a gap between the uh existing house and the new in the new apartment that's now raised. So, I guess I guess my question is the the storm water uh drains that you have,
the two that you have in the back, are they connected to one another? Are they connected to another part of a storm water management system on the other side? Is it just a a hollow tube that goes down and has stone on the bottom. What I I'm just curious if you had any
clarification about that. Is it just It's just It's just like acting like a dry well and and there really isn't much possibility for infiltration because it's it's kind of spongy there. Um, I mean, I'm not I don't think that there's
uh the the there is the bay wetland is about 4 feet lower and to the and to the west, but this is kind of still it's kind of spongy from the rainwater coming down the driveway and in that area. It's
kind of a low area. It's a little basin. It's it's about a six or seven inch basin there. Okay. Yeah. I was just curious if you had any if you found that it was connected to something else, but if it's just tubes in the ground with a little
bit of uh crush stone, that's that's a simple removal. Okay. Um and then off the back of the house on those pilings as well, you're going to have a deck there. I can see off the back of the house and that'll be for residents of the main house or is that for the
apartment? Is that just curious? the connection between Yeah. So, the the deck that you're building in between the apartment and the main house, is that like a shared space or Yeah. Yeah. And that'll all be slided so the water
can go right through on the deck. Okay. Um All right. I think that's all the questions I have. Thank you for the elevation update. Um, any other questions for commissioners? Um, just looking at the the drawings of it. Is that an ADU in the back? Is that
what that is? What are we talking? So, is that So, it's like a So, that are you filing that as an ADU? It's that way. about four months.
She wouldn't mind going up to the microphone when you get up to She brought it about three three months ago and it's um so it's it is currently a two family. Yes. The apartment is a part of the current
foundation and it's at ground level in the back. So, it's the elevation of that floor is probably about six or so. And now they want to take the apartment away from the main uh foundation of the house and put it on
pilings. And I think the way that instead of it being an accessory dwelling unit that it is connected by porch, so it's all one piece. So, I I just have one one thing to say for um as a home that while I've lived
there, a home two homes from me was put on pilings and I was there when they pound these things into the ground and my home two houses away shook like crazy and there was no notifications, right? Didn't know what was going on. I just want to make sure that when you're going
to do this, if you would be able to let the homes around you know that this is going to happen because it was shocking to my whole entire I felt like I was in an earthquake. The um so when we were on the site I believe you said that it was going to be screwed into the ground.
Yeah. I I I ran a little um uh configur configuration on the program of um the footings and there be like they won't be they won't be pilings deep in the ground. They'll be like spread footings that are 2 by two and it works with the
spacing of the post about eight 8 by eight pressuret treated pine on um with with the posts flanged to uh a 2 by two six 10 inch depth concrete footing at each one and that so there won't be
pilings driven. Okay. I just had to ask having lived through that it was a nightmare. So I'm just thinking of the neighbors for this but thank you for clarifying. Wait. So your your foundations aren't going to even be below frost.
Right. Well they're they're basically um it's basically like like a m like a like a matte foundation for each one kind of not not worried about frosty or
it's it's basically a matte foundation and it has it has a spread to it for for that purpose it's it's okay I mean it's not not not our preview that' be building but interesting
Okay. Any other questions? And yes, Mr. Chairman, the in the back right now there's a small porch, correct? Yes. And this is that uh the foundation that you're talking about is not going to
encompass that porch at all. No, it won't be passing. As a matter of fact, that porch where it exists now is more or less where the connection is between the front building and the and the rear building. The same area.
Yeah. As it stands, it it has a small porch and um a apartment below um that is ground level. You can see the windows when you go into the backyard around it. But yeah, they have a small little um just a
exit way off the back there. And I noticed underneath is green. Is that astroturf or is that just aesthetically put there under underneath the addition? Um, it won't be uh sand.
Well, it exists as grass. That's that's that's that's grass there. Now, it's sided, but it will be water stone. Okay. And then the driveway that's on that is on the left side of the property when you are facing it, that's going to stay
as is. Are you going to I didn't see in the plans that you had any resurfacing or repair of that at all? That's all going to stay as is. It is. Yes. Okay. Yeah. I just wanted to make sure. I want to get a fast one pulled on us again.
Um, okay. So, uh, so at this time I'd like to make sure our commissioners don't have any more questions first off and open it up to the audience if they have any comments, questions, or concerns about
this project. All right, seeing none, um, like to call for a motion to close out the hearing. Motion to close out the hearing. Second. Second. All in favor? I.
Excellent. Thank you so much. And so, moving forward, you have Yeah, you have everything. You have all your things in in a row. Um, it kind of looks like an accessory dwelling unit, but I get the porch in
between kind of connects it. It really has that accessory dwelling unit. Yeah, it really does. But um as it is, the other thing that I would make sure is that all of the eyes dotted and te's
crossed on this one. Um I want to make sure that it doesn't affect anything there, but um and you guys were you guys able to get just one last thing. Were you able to get to the site plan review with this yet?
Yeah, the original plan that the Yeah, the holiday week. I didn't think you guys were going to get to it, but as it stands, as you have shown us today, the We'll let site plan review take the rest of this one, but um I'm I'm going to
call for a motion to approve this notice of intent as is. And can I get a second or uh I'll I'll make a motion to approve this motion as is. And can I get a second? And before before we vote
all together, thank you for that. I'd like to every commissioner vote individually for this one. So Brian, if you will, your vote. I I vote to approve. Joe, your you your vote on this. Approve. Tom,
yes. Bernardo, yes. Yes. And I vote yes. Yes. So, no, there is no question. We were just I wanted to have an individual vote for this one just to make sure everything is square.
Um, but thank you very much. I wish you the best of luck. It's not going to be easy and I hope that you don't have to come back for an amended order because the foundation got broken. So, good luck with that. You're welcome. Um,
oh yeah, this was Yeah. Yeah. Um, so I don't have a sign sheet for that one yet. We'll we'll address that in a moment. Uh, last up we have an enforcement. This was for uh 33 Maggie Road. Uh, this was for a construction of a fence and encroachment
into resource areas without an order of conditions. Um, if so, are the owners of the property here? No. Okay. Uh so I had a chance to walk this down and it was as I just stated an
encroachment without an order of conditions. They were building trying to construct a fence from their property line all the way through state property or city property uh depending on how you look at if it's the street or if it's the actual wetlands and then that extended over to their neighbor across
the street. Basically they were just trying to encapsulate the whole thing and potentially put a gate up at the end of the street. Uh neighbor called out and they were um told to stop, cease and desist on on
what they were doing. And they're not here, so I really can't tell them what to do. So, we're going to have to follow up with them about this. Uh but basically, they need to restore fill up in the holes and make it as it was. I know they can't put the fragmitees back
up or any of the other uh wetland grass, but um they can at least fill in the holes and get rid of the construction materials uh in the area. And I'm not really sure exactly how to proceed with this yet because they're not here, but we'll have to follow up with them to make sure. No.
Um, anyway, so that that is that. Um, I will definitely be following up with them for sure and make sure that they are adhering to their they don't end up with an enforcement
order on their property. Um, so following up, we had some site visits. 660 River Beach Boulevard, 26 Curtis Road, 74 Dun Road, and 102 Summer Street. Uh, we didn't have any um communications, but at this time for
open discussion. I know this has been a little late, but um I'd like to definitely talk about how we can more effectively execute site visits moving forward. And I'd like to I know we've had some thoughts about this, but I'd like to
have a little bit more formal discussion about how we'd like to proceed. And I know that having an individual go and make a report, Tom, thank you for doing that. Brian, you've done it in the past. So have I. Um, and I I would just like to open this up to other commissioners if that would be okay or be acceptable
with plenty of pictures and and a description that would go with it. I think it would save us a little bit of time and scheduling. Uh, I know our weekends are precious and I know some of us have the ability to go during the week. Um, so I'd like to hear some thoughts from other commissioners about
this. Um, so I I'd say for for what I do for a living, I usually work Saturdays and Sundays. Um, so it's it's very tough for me on a Saturday where I my job to take off literally working a big part of my
business is on Saturdays. Yes. Um, so I've made myself available when I can for Monday through Friday. I know, um, owning my own business, I have the ability to navigate that on the days that's possible. Uh, so I'm happy to help just like Tom was able to, you
know, save us from going on some visits by doing some things and and documenting. Um, I do think that if we can find a day that maybe works better for everybody, and I appreciate you having this conversation because we'll go on site visits where sometimes it's
just you and I or you know, it's sometimes just you, just me. Um, and I feel that for all of us to go on these site visits, it helps to make more educated decisions on on voting. So I I do apologize for the times when I I
literally can't go because I'm as the owner of a business and I'm running something on a Saturday. I can't go to that. Um but I I feel that if we all together can maybe work towards maybe night times or mornings on a Monday through Friday that would work or
something. Um I think that would make sense. I would be completely amenable to going after work. I I mean I have a prior obligation where I work that I can't usually know the 9 to5. I'm usually out by 400 p.m. Um, sometimes a little later depending, but I think that it would be
prudent for us to kind of go after hours or 6 p.m. or something like that. 6:30 still light, you know, depending on the time zone, the time of the year, depending on depend. Yeah, depending on the time of year it is. It's definitely not light up, but uh, great point. But I
think that being able to schedule these things a little more fluidly uh or having a little bit more flexibility in our scheduling, I would like to see as much of it as I possibly can and I would definitely like to if you were going to take that initiative and um I'm a visual
person so I like to see it. pictures, vivid description of what you saw. You know, I don't need uh um you know, fuel and surprise when writing, but it's just something. Um and I think that would be something that we can discuss a little bit further, but if that works for
others, um doing the site visits that way, I think that would probably be better moving forward. Would you be open to an SOP on this where we're able to have it that there's a certain standard of when we go on a visit, we you know, we have our phones, so it's not like we have to take a separate, you know, Cannon with us and
take a picture where we take certain pictures of certain areas and then just have even bullet point description because there are sometimes people come in front of us and I'm obviously I'll ask you guys if I wasn't able to attend um if I could see the visual evidence with bullet points, I think that would
be able to make it so that myself, not speaking for all commissioners, can make more educated um decisions based upon what you guys have said obviously um it comes with risk of if we're not all able to attend then we're a little biased but
well we could also have a standard list of questions that we are going to ask on there so that we know what we're looking for you know checking all the boxes seeing what kind of site we have what what the resource areas are and ask the appropriate questions according to the resource areas so we could definitely
work on a an SOP moving forward and have a little bit more of a concise um record of what we've seen. You know, knowing what we we need to view depending on the resource areas would definitely make sense. I'd love to work with you on an SOP
template for site visits so that every site visit we go on. We basically can have a clipboard with notes of, you know, just basically a checklist of questions that we can ask that would pertain to every single place we go see. And then maybe one little part because some places obviously like the guy who
was here earlier today encroaching on the neighbor and there's a pool fill. There's stuff that we may not have asked. So, anything else we're able to just put in there. I think having that template makes it that um it it's helpful for everything. That would be my opinion if uh like like a simple road map.
Perfect. Yes. For that as well. All right. Uh we can definitely discuss this a little bit more and I thank you for having a little bit more of a formal discussion about this because it's kind of been a little fractured and as you said, you know, some of us some of the site visits only
or you know whatever. Uh but I think that having that ability to be a little more flexible in our scheduling would be would be ideal. So I just have a question from a practical how to schedule it. Um, are
you guys going to pick it one day? So, that's the day or so. If I tell you a site's ready to be walked down, someone's going to raise their hand and make the arrangements to go see that site. Yep. That would kind of be the the modus
operand with this. uh when we know there's a site available or it's ready to be looked at, we need folks to step up and make sure that they're he's not going crazy trying to schedule one day. Um you would take the liberty, basically what I'm getting at is you would take
the liberty to schedule the site visit on your own time uh and report back. And I think that we're all adults that we can definitely handle something of that nature. um myself included, we if I want to go on a Saturday and see if we can have a site walk down with all of the
sites that we need to review for the next of the upcoming meeting, I think that would make a lot of sense. But in the interim, I think it would definitely be incumbent on the commissioners if they're going to do the site visit to schedule and reach out to the applicant to schedule that visit.
I would just I I appreciate that. And John, I would just ask if if the email is sent for for all of us, if it can just in that email, the email address of the applicant, the address and their phone number and name. I think that's going to speed up the process. So all that information is in the NOI.
I as long as that's attached because that's easy to see. You've already gotten the NOI by that time. Yep. So most of it you'll be able to you'll be able to see it. You get all this information and then I get the feeling no one's looking at it. I just want to have it that there isn't
I just I'm my goal just as same as Nick is that as many people go to site visits that there is this you know ability of people reaching out. I just want to simplify it so that if if you get an email it's boom boom boom it's right there and we can just book it and do it.
I'm just I'm just looking to make this so that so you guys are going to have to be a little self- serving on your own part. You get the m everyone gets copied on the same thing. It's there. Um, you'll get an email saying this NOI has been walked down and then you can contact
whoever volunteers to go do it. I can reforward the the email. Um, you have that and then you're talking about SOPs. MAC has training uh and MAC has resources of already checklists available on their website.
So, and that's another to that point. Um, I I just want to make sure that and I sent this out uh I can't remember exactly when I sent it out, but the training that's coming up um for all
those that haven't taken it, the especially the intro stuff is definitely worth it and I would highly recommend that anybody who hasn't taken it or needs a little bit of a refresher, it's it's great. You get to network. It's you meet all sorts of people and from all
sorts of municipalities um from the really intricate, you know, coastal stuff to the forestry and uh isolated wetland stuff. So, um I would definitely make sure to take a look at it, see if it can fit in your schedule. Um it's usually on the weekends so that
folks can attend, but uh I I know that weekends are precious, but um we will certainly I will be digging through and pulling out some of those checklists and see how it pertains and how we can make it less boilerplate and more rever
if that makes any sense. Um, but at this time I'd like to call for Oh, go ahead. Yep. Yep. Yes. Oh, Mike's. So, D did not issue a file number that was available today, so I wasn't able to print a signature sheet with the
transaction number. Uh, they called Jim Greley to get the number. It'll get updated tonight, but I didn't have a signature sheet. So, I'll leave it with Linda and over the next week, next week, swing by and go. What's that?
What about 102 or 55 Sag? I don't think we 102 should be there. Yeah, 102. Did we skip one? 55. The last one I signed was Curtis. 55 you guys already did. Um, so we've got 26 Curtis, 74 Dun 9007 Mil
Road, and 23 Frank. And that's it. So it should be 23 Frank. So this is the high school. Oh, sorry. should be 907 North Shore. So that that the 102 summer is a certificate of compliance on there.
Okay. Just making sure. And then 55 was done last month. Sure. Um ahead of time. So I I have that one already. Yeah. Yeah. It's the um the high school that I have here that
the high school shouldn't be signed. So there should be one, two, three, four, five. Okay. Over there. Excellent. All right. And 660 I'll leave with Linda then over the next week next week. Um I
apologize for that one. No worries. Thank you. Thank you for all the work you've done, John. Appreciate it. Um all right. Um I think we're good. So I'd like to call for a motion to adjurnn. Motion to adjurnn. Second. Second.
All in favor? I I. Thank you very much everyone.