all set. Uh the meeting will come to order. Uh before we begin, we'd like to have a pledge of allegiance led by Lieutenant Randall. To the flag of the United States of America, to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you very much, folks. Uh, the following matters will come before the license commission today. This is our regularly scheduled meeting. the uh meeting previously filed with the city
clerk. Uh the first item on the agenda will be the approval of the minutes of the April 16th, 2025 meeting. I'd move to approve. I'll second that.
Very good. Uh that those minutes are approved. The next items are applications submitted for consideration. The first application we're going to deal with is Blessed Mother of the Morning Star Parish, 670 Washington
Avenue. Ralph the Chico is the event manager. I'm here for Very good, sir. If you could step up to the podium, please. Uh, this is an application for a one-day malt, wine, common vixular, and entertainment license to be exercised at
the lower church hall, 670 Washington Avenue on Saturday, June 28, 2025 from 5:00 p.m. to 10 p.m. The event is the 4th of July disco dance and the
expected attendance is 85 to 95. Could you That's correct. Thank you, sir. Can you have your name and address for the record, please? Um, Salvie Turnulo, 86 Wentworth Road in Rivier. Very good. Mr. Turnullo, if you could just explain briefly what you'd like to do with this
license. Well, we uh have two to three parties a year. Uh we just serve only beer and wine. Uh we'll have a DJ and dinner and it's just a party for parishioners and friends. And this is the same event you've had for several years? Oh, yes. We do two or three a
years. And are there any changes to this particular year? No changes. Very good. Do any of my fellow commissioners have any questions? No questions for me. No questions for me. Uh, very good, sir. We'll close this
part of the hearing. Are there any proponents? Is there anybody that would like to speak on behalf of the um blessed mother of the Morning Star Church? I don't see or hear anybody. We'll close that section. Are there any opponents? Is there anybody appro
opposed to this issuing of this license? We don't see or hear anybody. We'll close that section. Uh would you like to discuss this further or would you like to make a motion? I can make a motion to approve. I second that. Very good. The uh application for
a one-day malt wine common vixular and entertainment license for blessed mother of the morning star parish is approved. The application will be exercised at 670 Washington Avenue on June 28th, that's a
Saturday, 2025 from 5:00 p.m. to 10 p.m. Thank you very much, sir. Thank you. Good luck with your event. Do I need a copy of it? Do I have this first time I've done this? Do I get a copy of the license or um it gets emailed it gets emailed to
get the location. Thank you so much. Thank you. Have a good day. Uh the next item on the agenda is cafeteria last Delesas Colombian Inc. 86 Shirley Avenue. Maria
Orango is the manager. This is an application for outdoor seating for an alteration of premises to add outdoor seating. The requested seating is 12 and this would be from Sunday through Saturday 11:00 a.m. to
900 p.m. to be exercised at 86 Shirley. Your name and address for the record, please, sir. My name is Roberto Gajgo. It is 86 in Ria. Thank you very much sir. Can you explain briefly what you'd like to do?
Like my wife got application for city for three tables and 12 years 12 years Saturday to Sunday to Saturday 9 to 11 tonight. I'm sorry.
Very good. Thank you very much sir. You have any questions? No, I don't. I had an opportunity to review the uh site plan review report. It seems like there is sufficient
um 4T clearance that's required. He uh hi my name is Marie. I'm just doing the interpretation. He actually he brought some photos as an example how it's going to look like. Okay. Okay. Sure. We take a look. You'll take a look at that.
Okay. Thank you. Is this the first time you're doing the outdoor seating? That's good. Yes. My only suggestion would be just to make sure that the where the pots and the plants are it it can ex it can't exceed
the uh the clearance. Yeah. because it can't obstruct too much on the So we'll suggest to remove it. Well, I wouldn't necessarily say remove it as long as it doesn't uh go more than the allowed clearance. Right. Is
what exactly? So you need to just make sure you have at least a 4T clearance so that people can walk. more than four feet from where the plants are to the sidewalk. Oh, so as I as it looks like right there, it looks like it's 4 ft.
Okay, that's all I have. Okay, any questions? No, it looks good to me. Very good. We'll close this part of the hearing and we will ask for any proponents. If anybody like would like to speak on behalf of the outdoor
seating at 86 Shirley Avenue. Don't see or hear anybody. We'll close that section. Is there anybody opposed? Anybody opposed to the issuing of this license? Don't see or hear anybody. We'll close that section. Would you like
to make a motion or discuss it further? I would like to make a motion to approve. I'd move I'd second that. Very good. The application for outdoor seating for cafeteria las delissas colombianas at 86 Shirley Avenue is
approved. Thank you very much, sir. Good luck, sir. If I could just ask for one one question. Yes, sir. Um, it's been brought to my attention by actually a couple people that come to your restaurant that the prices on the menu
are different than what is charged. And it's I know it says on the top of the menu that prices are subject to change. Okay. But that is in Spanish and so I put it both in Spanish and English. Yes. If you could do that that would be very
helpful. The new menus almost come the new menus. Thank you very much. So we appreciate that. Good luck. The next item on the agenda agenda is Tulum Takaria Inc. 425 Riviera Beach
Boulevard. De Bellis Dear Rosa Del Carman Pino is the manager. This is an application for an all alcohol restaurant license. The license would be exercised at 4:25.
She's on the way. She's in traffic. Okay, we'll put this over. Okay, we'll put this for a second call. The next item is item number five, Twisted Fate Brewing, Suffach Downs LLC,
DBA, Twisted Fate Brewing, 64 Salt Street. David Pinette is the manager. This is an application for a farmer brewery pouring permit, a common vixular license, and an entertainment
license. These licenses will be exercised at the same location, 64 Salt Street. The requested seating is 70 seats inside, 36 seats outside. The requested hours are Sunday through
Thursday 11:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. Friday and Saturday 11:00 a.m. to 1:00 a.m. And requested entertainment is widescreen cable TV, radio, and vocal and instrumental
music. Your name and address for the record, please, sir. Can you turn on the microphone, please? Middle button. There you go. Thank you. Home address. Yes, please. My name is David Pette and
my home address is uh 350 uh West 4th Street in Boston. Very good, sir. And can you explain briefly what what uh you'd like to do with this license? Sure. Um I'm here today requesting your farmer's uh brewer's pouring permit. Um
that's the third phase of uh breweries permitting allowing them to produce it and then serve it. We need this uh pouring permit. So I'm here to ask for that. Very good. Will you be making the brew the brew on the premises or 99% will be
made at our first location which is in Danress. We'll have a small pilot system which is five gallons. Okay. And you'll be bringing the rest in in kegs or how does that work? So, we will contract brew from our first
location and bring in kegs and cans. Very good. Will you be brewing on site? Very, very little. Is it more for show? We have to have a We have to have a pilot system on site. Yes. How's the Dammer location? You guys are
busy up there? Well, good. We're expanding, so that's usually a good thing. So, um, yeah. How long you been with the company? Uh so my wife, myself, my sister and our husband we started the company four years ago. It took us about a year to find a space and we've been in operation
for uh three years. And other than the Danver location, do you have any other locations? No. Uh will you be cooking on the premises as well or how does We have a small kitchen that we're going to do heat to serve. So like a Turbo Chef. I'm sorry. A Turbo
Chef. Okay. It's like a microwave oven. And what will you be serving? Um like canned pies, stuff like that. Like all frozen right from a freezer right into the oven. Pretzels. And when are you looking to open? As
soon as possible. Um we're about 75% done construction. Okay. Uh very good. I don't um Do you have any other questions for uh for this gentleman? No, I don't. I mean I I reviewed the application. It seems like
it's in order. I'm just um it's a first time seeing the a farmer brewer's uh pouring permit, but um everything seems to be in order. Very good. Do you have any questions for this gentleman? No, I'm
good. Questions? Very good. I'll close this part of the hearing. Are there any proponents or anybody else that would like to speak on behalf of Twisted Fate the Brewing Company? I don't see or hear anybody. Is there anybody opposed? I'll close that
section. Is there anybody opposed to the uh issuing of this license? I don't see or hear anybody. We'll close that section. Would you like to discuss this further or would you like to make a motion? I'd move to uh I'd move to approve the application as
written. And I will second that. Very good. The um the application for a farmer brewery pouring permit, a common victular and an entertainment license for Twisted Fate
Brewing, Suffach Downs LLC, DBA Twisted Fate Brewing is approved. The licenses will be exercised at 64 Salt Street. The requested seating is 70 seats
inside, 36 seats outside. The requested hours are Sunday through Thursday, 11:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m., Friday and Saturday, 11:00 a.m. to 1:00 a.m. And the requested entertainment is a widescreen
cable TV, radio, vocal, and instrumental music. Those licenses are approved. Thank you. Good luck, sir. Thank you. Thanks. Item number four, Tulum Takaria, Inc. 625 Reier Beach Boulevard.
Good afternoon, De Bellis Dear Rosa Del Carman Pino is the manager. This is an application for an all alcohol restaurant license. The restaurant license will be exercised at
the existing restaurant at 425 Reier Beach Boulevard. The requested hours are Sunday through Saturday, 6:00 a.m. to 2:00 a.m. And the requested seating is 20. Your name and address for the
record, please. Uh, yes. Stables Del Roza and my address is 1 Gibson Way River, Mass. Very good. Can you explain what you'd like to do with this all alcohol restaurant license? Yes. So, on behalf of Tulum Takaria located at 425
River Beach Boulevard, we respectfully submit this statement in support of our application for a liquor license. As a locallyowned, minority and female operated small business, Tulum is proud to contribute to the cultural and economic vitality of River Beach. We are
seeking a liquor license to responsibly serve alcoholic beverages that complement our traditional Mexican cuisine and enhance the overall dining experience for our patrons. Approval of our of our application will allow us to one elevate the customer experience by
offering carefully created beers, wine, and culturally inspired cocktails that pair with our food offerings. It would also increase food traffic to Rever Beach, particularly during the summer months. supporting not only our business but also neighbor and establishments
through greater visitor engagement. It will create new employment opportunities and support the financial stability of our current team by generating additional revenue streams and oper. We will operate in strict compliance with all local and state alcohol service laws
including the training of staff in safe alcohol handling through tip certification and adherence to all public safety measures. We recognize the resp the respect and responsibility that comes with holding a liquor license. Our team is committed to maintaining a
familyfriendly and community oriented environment and we are prepared to meet all regulatory obligations with the highest standards and professionalism. Thank you. Very good. Thank you very much for that. Um, have you worked in a
uh environment that serves liquor in the past? Yes, sir. I was a bartender in the Seapport for 10 years. Um, I worked at 75 Liberty Warf and I also was a bartender at Del Frisco's, both in Seapport. Very good. Thank you very
much. Um, do any of my fellow commissioners have any questions? I do. I have several. Um, so aside from your experience as a bartender, have you owned or managed any other businesses that was responsible for alcohol service? Um, no. I managed the 75
Liberty Warf Bar. That was the only one. I was there for quite some time. They're the same owner of Cheers and Beacon Hill. So, I would go from Beacon Hill to Seapport locations. Are you identifying yourself as the manager or you identifying as simply a bartender? I was the bar manager. You're the bar manager.
Correct. Um, and so this is your first business venture? No. Um, I owned a medical spa in Lynn for eight years as well. Totally different business in this particular space. This is No. Yeah, this is our first restaurant. Right. Um, but I also, uh, do you, um, and what type of
certifications do you have? Uh, we have our Surf Safe. I have my Surf Safe and all my staff members. Um, we also have their allergy test. I also have my bartending license um, from when I used to work. What about your tip certification? Yeah, I have that as
well. I can submit all those documents. It's up to date. So, this is the uh, this is the establishment that was uh that was right on River Beach. It's It's relatively small, right? Correct. Yeah. Right. Um how do you plan to because this traditionally has been known for
more of like a takeout um quick bite and move along. Yeah. Type of experience. Yeah. We've had a lot of people come in and ask us if we have beer and like kind of cocktails, margaritas. We have some outdoor seating in which we plan on that's why we're asking for this license
is to take full advantage of the summer. The winter was pretty brutal on us and so we're trying to recover. We're just trying to stay alive. I understand. So, operationally, do you plan to do anything to ensure that uh whoever you're serving doesn't kind
of uh take that liquor on the beach and correct? Yeah. What operational measures are you taking? Um we will have a security there um Fridays, Saturdays, which will be kind of like our biggest um days. Other than that, we don't plan
I mean our license is from 6:00 till 2 am. We don't plan on serving alcohol at 6:00 in the morning. Um we plan until 2 am. Um the establishment license. So what time do you typically close now? We're closing at 9:00 just for in terms
of like um payroll costs. Like I said, the winter was very brutal on us. So we don't know if we're going to open till 2 a.m. yet. But you have the ability to if Yes. So those hours have still not been um determined. I kind of wanted to cross
the bridge before you know. Right. And do you understand your responsibilities of when you're supposed to stop serving alcohol at a certain time? Yep, I do. Okay. That's all I have. Do you have an entertainment license? Uh we don't. Okay. So basically what does it look like on a regular day uh night
like at 7 8:00 p.m. Is there music? What do you have? Um we have music. It's relatively low. We haven't been open in a summer. Um, we opened LA late August last year come September. So, we don't know what the summer looks like. We
don't know what the crowd after 7:00 p.m. looks like on a summer day. So, that's No entertainment license. Correct. No entertainment license. It's just music and that's it. Um, will you you have seating outside? Correct. Yes, sir. Will you be serving
alcohol at the outside seating? Uh yes sir. And how do you plan on making sure that people who are seated outside don't wander off with the alcohol? Um well there will be a server just attending to the um consumers of alcohol there. So
they'll be keeping close eye on those clients that are seen and outside. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Do you have any further questions? I don't. Do you have any questions? No. Very good. I will close this part of the
hearing. Are there any proponents of anybody that would like to speak on behalf of the issuing of this license? Uh, Angela Garino Sua, W 5 city councelor. I'm in support of Tulum Takaria's application for um an all
liquor all alcohol uh restaurant license. Um, since Deb Bellis opened, she has created such a welcoming and vibrant dining space that reflects the rich cultural diversity of our community. I don't know if you guys have had a chance
to go in there. It is absolutely beautiful in there. Um, Tulum Takaria has quickly become a local favorite, offering authentic cuisine and positive presence presence along Rivia Beach Boulevard. Granting this license would
support a small womanowned business in its continued growth and enhance the dining experience for our residents and visitors alike to River Beach. Uh Debellis has demonstrated a strong commitment to responsible business practices and community engagement and I
respectfully urge this honorable license commission to give a favorable consideration to this request. Thank you. Thank you very much. Are there any other proponents? Anybody else like to speak on behalf of the issuing of this license? I don't see or
hear anybody. We'll close that section. Are there any opponents? Is there anybody opposed? Don't see or hear anybody. We'll close that part of the hearing. Would you like to discuss this further or do you want to make a motion? Further discussion? No.
Um, so I would I would certainly uh move to approve the um the application for an all alcohol restaurant license. Um, despite the my slight reservations, I the support of the word counselor certainly has swayed my opinion. So I I
I' I'd like to move to approve it. I will second that. Very good. Then the license uh is approved. the application for Tulum Takaria Inc. 6 425 Revier
Beach Boulevard for the issuing of an all alcohol restaurant license is approved. That license will be exercised at 425 Rever Beach Boulevard and the requested hours are
Sunday through Saturday 6:00 a.m. to 2:00 a.m. The requested seating is 20. Thank you very much. Good luck. Good luck. And we have some uh additions to the agenda. Item number six, the Association
of is Islamic Charitable Projects. Griswald Park. Rawan Chaban is the event manager. This is an application for a one-day common vicular entertainment license. the application for Islamic
charitable projects for a one-day common victual entertainment license to be exercised at Griswall Park on Sunday, June 8th, 2025 from 12:00 p.m. to 5:00
p.m. Your name and address for the record, please. Hi, good afternoon, Sarah. Very good. Can you explain what you'd like to do with this license? Yes. So, every year we usually hold a event to celebrate our yearly holiday of Vid.
It's an Islamic holiday. Um, in the event we usually have bounce houses. We do um like trivia for the kids. We give out gifts and we've held it before at Beachmont. We've done it sometimes in um on Marble Street. And this year we wanted to use the um address that was
listed. Ran filled the application. She's my um she's my co-orker as well. We um and she requested the field across. We've used it before for things for the association, but this is the first time we're going to be using it for this actual event. So, it's just a
celebration. It's a one-day license we're requesting just to celebrate um our holiday that's in June. Okay. Thank you very much. Um Gwald Park. Yes. The baseball field.
That's Okay. Oh, okay. Thank you. All right. I was wondering I'm looking at the photograph and I'm trying to say where is that? We we sent over like an updated like um picture but I think you don't have it. I think they requested a more updated of just that field and
where everything's going to go. I think you printed off the like larger one. Okay, good. Well, thank you. Now that now that it's been brought to my attention where it is, it's all become clear to me. Thank you. You're welcome. Um I don't have any questions. Do you have any questions that you'd like to
ask? So I see the attendance 600 in the past years. Is it usually Yeah, I mean like it's like varies, but we wanted to put up number where it's like at the most case like the most that we probably would get with that be that much, but we it's varied from 300 400. It's usually not at once. Like throughout the 5 hour
block, people are coming and going. So, we just kind of put how many people roughly will come. So, we don't say 200 and then 600 people show up. So, we just like to be on the safe side. Do you have any questions that you'd like to uh ask? No, I don't. Very good.
We'll close this part of the hearing. Thank you. Sure. Are there any proponents? There's anybody that would like to speak on behalf of the issuing of this one-day common vixular and entertainment license. We don't see or hear anybody. We'll close that section. Anybody
opposed? Anybody opposed to the issuing of this license? Don't see or hear anybody. We'll close that section. Uh would you like to discuss this further or would you like to make a motion? What would you like to do? I can make a motion to approve. I'd second that motion. Very
good. the application for a one-day common victual entertainment license for the association of Islamic charitable projects to be exercised at Griswald Park is approved. The one-day common vixular entertainment license
uh will be exercised on Sunday, June 8, 2025 from 12:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. And the event is a festival celebrating Eid and the expected attendance is 600. Good luck with your event. Thank you very much. And it's open to the public, so
you're welcome to bring your kids and come. Thank you. Thank you guys. We appreciate the invitation. Thank you very much. Item number seven, the Rever Arabic Community, Frederick's Park. Natada Abu Habida, I'm sorry if I
mispronounced your name, uh, is the event manager. This is an application for a one-day common vixular and entertainment license. The licenses will be exercised at Frederick's Park on Saturday, June 14th, 2025 from 1 P to 4
P. The event is a festival celebrating AID and the expected attendance is 300. I'm sorry. 100. Oh, I'm sorry. 100. Um, your name and address for the
record, please. Asthma Abufura in behalf of the River Arabic community, 276 Fenust Street. Very good. Can you explain what you'd like to do with this particular license? So, um, this celebration it's uh open for the whole city uh partnering with the city of
Rivier and it's open for all uh the community. Uh it will take place right after the graduation ceremony for our um Arabic language and culture weekend school at the beach and it's actually similar to the one before uh this the
Eid festival. It's will including uh kids activity, snacks and uh games for children. Very good. Uh thank you very much. Do you have any questions or any I don't. I reviewed the application. It seems like
uh everything's in order. Very good. No questions for me. Very good. We don't have any questions. Thank you very much. We're going to close this part of the hearing. Thank you. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Are there any proponents? Is there anybody else that would like to speak on behalf of the issuing of this
license? We don't see or hear anybody. We'll close that section. Are there any any opponents? Anybody opposed? Don't see or hear anybody. We'll close that section. Do you want to discuss this further? No. I'd move this to approve
and I'll second that. Very good. The application for a one-day common vixular and entertainment license for the rever Arabic community is approved. The application um the event will take place
at Frederick's Park on Saturday, June 14, 2025 from 1:00 p.m. to 4 pm. This is a festival celebrating age and the expected attendance is 100. Thank you very much, ma'am. Good luck with your
event. Okay. Uh I believe that concludes the applications for consideration. The next item on the agenda is item number eight, Wonderland Entertainment LLC, DBA Oceanside Event
Center, 1290 Northshore Road. This is a request from Wonderland for a discussion of security measures with the commission. Name and address for the record, please, sir. Charles Delpidio, uh, 84 Broad Reach,
Weimoth, Massachusetts. Thank you very much, Mr. Delpidio. Um, well, what do you want to discuss? Well, first and foremost, um, Deputy uh, Chief Paul Shvers, we had a a talk before we opened this hearing up and,
uh, we went over a bunch of things and we've made a a solution with the fire department and we're very happy with what he offered to us, which is what uh, we will have a detail when the main room
is open. Now, we have two other small rooms. And when we have the other two small rooms going, sometimes a ballroom isn't open. So, that means that we're going to have two policemen and a fireman, which comes to almost like
$1,200 before we even open the doors. The rooms are small, and for me to try to bring in other business, I can't do it that way. Right now, there's a lot going on in the cities and it has affected business
tremendously and there's nothing anybody can do about it right now. But right now, we're asking for a little bit of help. The fire department stepped up very nicely and what I'd like to know is what can we do with the with the police
department as far as the details. For example, they put on a third detail out in the parking lot, and I didn't know nothing about this. So, with three details and a fire in, you're talking almost $1,600 a
night. It's a lot of money. So, if we could have a meeting with the police department and and see what we can do to uh to kind of shave it down a little bit. You know, we we run a really good place down
there. Right now, we're we're thinking of other things. We're trying to get into weddings and we're going to try to get into other things, too. But in the meanwhile, um things are very slow and uh if I can't get any help, I'm gonna
have to start laying off a lot of people. And I really don't want to do that because we have over 80 employees and I would say probably 80% of those employees are all from REI and the last thing I really want to do is to do that. But if we can't get
any assistance, um, we might have to, you know, anytime the city of Riviera asks us to do anything. For example, when they had the hurricane, we were there, we had a concert for them, COVID 19 came, we opened up Oceanside. It was
wonderland then, and we made it for shots. So, the whole thing was open up for all CO. Anytime we are asked from the city, we're always there. Now, I'm asking for a little help. The two rooms you described as smaller
rooms, one of them has a capacity of 300 and one can fit up to 600. Is that fair to say? That is, right? You consider that small. Well, it doesn't mean that it doesn't mean that you're always going to get 600 and it doesn't mean you're always going to get 300. for example, tonight. Okay, fair. Tonight we're open
and I don't think we'll have more than 100 people in our small room. Okay. So, so I'm going to have two details and a a fireman. So, the last time you made such a request, right, shortly after making this the similar request back last fall, you had two incidents that took place
and I think you subsequently withdrew your request. Is that fair to say? Do you remember that? Yes, you requested in the fall of 2024. you requested, but I don't think we've had any problems ever since. And and you know what? There's hundreds and a lot of
people have been in and out of the building. So, the amount of incidents that we have are very small and most of them are domestic if anything. But yet, here's here's the thing. I had an opportunity to review, you know, some of the promotions that goes on um at for
your establishment and you know, you represented before this commission that things are really slow, but yet I see um based on the advertisement that's circulating that, you know, essentially every weekend, if not two or three times out of the weekend, you're booked with
multiple parties, multiple huge events, Brazilian parties, Hispanic parties, um that bring large crowds. and you know you you're representing before this commission that things that are going on in the city is affecting your business and I'm not necessarily rejecting that but based on what I see from the
advertisement on your Oceanside uh you know Facebook and um Instagram page I mean it seems like you're still very much holding these very much not you per se but you're open to promoters bringing in these pretty large events can you explain that example the last two weeks
we had two very big concerts both Saturdays canled and they canled on the week of because ticket sales are so slow. The problem is that these acts are so
expensive and then when you only get three 400 people, everybody's losing their shirts. So I'm trying to do is cut down until we get by this bump in the road. And I'm asking for a little bit of help.
So if you know it, it was funny. One person I said, "Wow, you guys are making so much money." We're not. We're losing. We pay $95,000 a year in property taxes there. We are are losing right
now. Do you have uh security on the premises? Always. And how many security personnel do you have uh for a night like tonight where you expect a hundred people? No. No. Tomorrow night. Forgive me. Friday. My fault. Okay. Friday.
Probably what? Four or five? No. In the ballroom? No. No. Tomorrow night. Just in the small room. No, that's on Saturday. What's today? Thursday. Is uh Wednesday? No. Wednesday. This is what happens when you turn 74 years old. Jeez. No. Uh on the weekend, uh on the
small room, we'll have four for security. Four security. But you also have two policemen and a fire. Now that that'll be the case. And what would you propose to do? What would what would your proposal be? Well, first of
all, three details is a lot. It really is a lot. You know, last time I was here, I also spoke to you folks afterwards and I said, you know, we don't own that parking lot. The MBTA owns that parking lot and they're
charging people to park there and I have to pay the detail officer to go in their parking lot and I really don't think that's fair. That's how I feel. I don't mean to be rude in any ways, but if we're going
to talk, I just want to talk. No, no, I understand. I appreciate your cander. What would Again, I I'll ask you again. What do you What would your proposal be? Well, in the small room. Um, I know what
the capacity is, but I've had I've had things that just just we only get maybe a hundred uh on on tonight. Salvadorian night is on Saturday night and and and it's it's
gone way way way down. So, you know, um instead of two details, maybe put one on. So, we have one detail and then our dorman. It's just just a lot of money. It's almost $400 a person. Okay. So,
you'd have one detail officer on a night that one room is open. Yes. And your security person. As far as the main ballroom, when we have a major concert, I don't have no problem putting the two details on. I'm almost looking for a little bit
of help. I'm not looking to erase everything. I understand that. And you know, I I can certainly appreciate that. Lieutenant, do you have any thoughts on this? Yes. Um, we're opposed to any changes whatsoever to to the details. Okay. We've worked with the ballroom for
decades and where it is now is at bare minimum. So not details not putting not putting one officer down there by himself. Okay. So how do you feel about two? Well, the parking lots the parking lot's a whole other issue, but it's you know that was brought about because of
all the complaints that one of our commissioners knows firsthand about what it's like when that place breaks at the end of the night. You know, summer's coming and it's only going to get busier down there. So, I don't think now is the time to talk start talking about lowering details. Okay.
Um, well, I'm guess uh reached the point where we going to have to do something. Um, and I'm not sure what other
than it appears that the two detailed people are are going to have to stay and the lot situation. Is there a way, Lieutenant, that the detailed people in the lot can I mean the detailed people on the premises
can do anything about the lot? The the problem is that the the people that the two people that are in assigned inside are trying to manage, you know, the exit of all these people at 2:00 and then the ones that are leaving going in whether they're going in the parking garage or the parking lot that are create that are
creating all the all the problems. We end up sending the shift down there and it's not right for the taxpayers re to be footing the bill for security at the ballroom. The the detail officers that are there um inside uh what time do they typically arrive? Are they there in the beginning of the night or do they come
typically towards the end of the event? Yeah, they're not. What are we starting at 10 now? Uh about 10:30, 11. Yeah. Is there a minimum number of hours that they need to be on detail? Four. The minimum is four hours. And there's no real rigor to that because it seems to
uh No, that's by contract. That's by contract. Yeah. Well, you know, unfortunately, if we can't get any help, then I will have to start laying off people. And I really don't want to do that. And and I understand what
you're saying, and I appreciate what you're saying, but three officers. I mean, downtown Boston, we have major nightclubs with capacities, 1500. We have zero police officers. I'm not saying, you know, Oceanside has
been very good to the police department. The police department has been very good to us. So, you know, I'd like to think that we've all had a great working relationship, but right now I'm still asking for help otherwise we may have to
close this place. Lieutenant Randall is that so I know that um so is it the security concern that you believe that if we reduce it from I think he said that there's three being posted at you know would it would it be
a a bigger security concern if you had two as opposed to three? If we had two there would you know there would be nobody in the parking lot that's how it would have to that's how it would have to shake up. So for the four hours this someone just sitting in the parking lot patrolling the parking lot. Yeah. Yeah. You know, our dormen also go out in the
parking lot at the end of the night. It's not like there's nobody out there. So for to say that there's nobody out there, that is really not true. They we do have people out there. Well, would you renew the effort of your dormen to
go out there and move people along um in lie of a third detail officer? Absolutely. Was the decision to put a third officer um made by the department? Was that because you said you didn't know about
it? I didn't know nothing about it. How'd that come about? Senator, uh I'd have to look in and find out exactly when when that started, but I originally was a MBTA detail, but the MBTA police on a regular basis unable to fill it. The MBTA never never once put a detail
out there um as far as I know because they called me and they says, "No, if we put a detail, you're going to pay for it." I said, "You're the one that's making the money in the parking lot, not me. That's your parking lot. You know, if you want to close the parking lot, close it. We got the other garage. We
can fill up the other garage." But then again, right now, we can't fill up anything. So why so why don't you do that? It's not my parking lot. I can't do that. No. Why don't you So you said you can just stop using lot. Why don't you just direct your your your patrons to go park in the That's
pretty difficult thing for us to do. You know, that's something that uh the MBTA would have to close it off right out front that but you know what? People come for the train and they're coming to pick up people. So, you could never really close it
off. You know what I mean? Right. But your patrons use it significantly whenever you have these Yeah. But they're also paying for it, too. So, it's not like they're they're parking there for free. I understand that. But, so here's the thing with your position, right? You you have a you have what what
is equivalent to a nightclub adjacent to a a a pretty large parking lot that your business uses. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, you can't sit here and paint this picture like, well, it's MBTA's lot and
you no, the the reality is you your business profits and takes direct advantage of the fact that you are adjacent to a pretty large parking lot that everyone that frequents your business is able to park comfortably, even the fact that they pay. So the fact that you're drawing this to your lot to
this lot, you can't escape the responsibility to ensure that the folks that are leaving your business that goes to their cars is doing doing it orderly and safely without incident because the reason why they're there is directly related and correlates to your business.
You know, the biggest problem with that parking lot, there's only one means of aggress. There's only one way to get in and one way to get out. So there's not like there's two exits so cars could move along and that's why traffic might move a little slower when we're busy.
But we clean the parking lot. We police the park parking lot. Um I don't know what you want me to say. We again I'm just going to say that things are very slow and if we can't get some help I
don't know. I I I will not won't be able to open up the other rooms to try to bring in some extra revenue because it's just too much. Either that or I'll just not have no doorman and I'll have the policeman do it. And that's the last thing they want. They don't want that
responsibility. They're there to oversee us really to make sure everything is good. And the police officers that have come have been great. We got no problem with anybody. But now we're asking for a little help and and that's really the bottom line
and that's about as far as I can say anything really. All right. Well, um I think we have um I mean I don't I don't really know what to um what what kind of relief
we can get here. It Yeah, it seems that the the police position is that the detailed situation needs to stay. Um, I'd like to hear from the um fire department. Afternoon, commissioners. Yes. Uh,
Deputy Chief Paul Chver, River Fire Department. Um, for the the before we started tonight, I spoke to them out in the hall. Um, we are aware that their numbers have been down the last few weeks. I can't speak for the last few months. Um they did have some events
that were posted that went from the ballroom end up getting shifted upstairs because they didn't sell enough tickets to uh to uh use the ballroom. Um so I asked them for their current they supposed to have an emergency plan on how they operate the business for these
events as well as their um crowd managers. So, per the fire mass state fire fire uh fire code requirements, they're supposed to have crowd managers for first one crowd manager for first 250 and then additional crowd manager up
to 500 and 750. So, right now they're a little behind in their certifications on the crowd manager. So, we're going to remain in there this weekend until whatever event they have until the crowd managers are are back up and trained. Once they have their crowd managers
trained, we feel that they will have the appropriate people on board to operate the two rooms upstairs considering considering what's going on with their with their uh ticket sales. However, we we uh insist that we still be present in the ballroom and the ballrooms open. As
you as you pointed out, the the upstairs rooms are 300 and 600 and the ballrooms, 1100. So, we feel the fire detail is is warranted there. I went through our runs to see what we've done in the past year at this property and this past year
we've done 28 runs to this property. So basically a run every two weeks is a way to look at it. A little more than that. Uh of those runs 15 of them were EMS related. Uh eight were related to the fire system uh going off or smoking or
something to that effect and five were other events. Um so for for the most part that those are looking into those further they were most of them were related to the ballroom. So we still feel that we need a presence in the ballroom and we they agreed to continue
that presence. We're going to give them some relief upstairs. If we move forward and we start having some problems in in the rooms upstairs, we'll revisit this again by letting the commission know that we want to reinstate the fire detail upstairs.
Very good. Thank you, Deputy. Sure. All right. Well, um, what are your thoughts on increasing your presence in the parking lot and see how that goes and eliminating uh the third the third uh officer
detail. We can do that. one one police officer is equivalent to almost four and a half dormen pay-wise. So, you know, we can put more people around and make
sure I I don't think we've really had a lot of problems at all lately at all for the for quite a while. And I Let me ask you a question, please. Has the tenants been complaining about noise lately? Not
that I'm aware of. No. No. Now, if if we do have an uptick in in noise and complaints, we're going to have to revisit the person in the parking lot. But at this point, I mean, um, Lieutenant, would you be all right with
that? Yeah, we'll we'll do whatever the commission wants. Um, summer's coming, so we'll see. You know, we're just trying to make a living there. We're not trying to do anything
that uh we're trying to skip corners on anything. No. Have we ever tried to skip any corners with the fire department or the police department? We've always been right there right up front with anything and everything. Well, I mean, you are getting your
relief, at least some relief. Uh we'll see how this goes. Uh obviously if we have any other issues uh I say we do it for like a 60-day trial period. Um instead of and just kind of see what happens in
that time period. Okay. Let me say one last thing please. As far as the small room like Saturday night we have 100 people. Do we still have to have two details the with the potential for what we have
you know historically at that building? I'm not sending one police officer there by himself. So they'll have no detail or they'll have there isn't a situation where let's say there's two booked and let's say you see that there's a hundred people in there like they you can't if they can call and cancel prior you know
prior to the two I think it's a two-hour window prior to the start if there's only going to be a small amount. Yeah, we we certainly have no problem with that. So we cut it to one one detail, right? There's only if there's only going to be 100 people, that's one thing, but we can't have 400 people and only one officer. No, I I agree with
you. I agree. Your officers keep like a detail log or after the shift or it's just like if there's an incident. Only if there's only if there's an incident. Do you have a few county patrons coming in? Um, so so I I so I I would I would
honestly propose that we do it for like a 60-day trial period to see if um if there's anything that happens during that time period and with the understanding that that at the conclusion of the 60 days if um if if there are incidents or if there's an
uptick in incidents that it would resort back to the floor. So basically what what do we have here just a third detail will be gone in the ballroom. Well, and it depends. If you're only having a hundred people, then we go down to one.
You're down to one. But you would have to cancel up to two hours in advance. Yeah. They'll have to cancel that two hours. Yeah. Two hours. Two hours before they'd cancel and go down to one. Yeah. Okay. And so that would give you some relief. Yes.
Absolutely. You know, I came here today to get a small relief. I didn't come here to to wipe everything out. Um, you know, Oceanside Event Center, a lot of people go there and a
lot of people absolutely love going there. Uh, the River people get to see major major acts and there's nowhere else they can see that around this area. If I had to close that place down, I'm sure it would be sorely missed. No, you run a good business. People obviously
the ballroom has been in rever for it's an iconic venue. Uh you've done a great job managing it, you know, so we're hoping that we can work together and come to a resolution that satisfies everybody. I thank you. And that's what
we tried to do here today. I thank you. Just want to say something really quick. Um, I know and uh I just want to agree with you on something here that you know this whole immigration situation I've seen a lot of business hurting. Okay.
And uh we're here to help you guys. Um the reason why you know obviously the the police detail is needed there is because there have been you know incidents in the past. It's not a place where you know we've never heard of any incidents. So, um, I just want to
say say it again that we're here to help you guys. We just Thank you. to to say that there'd never be an incident. I could never say that. But if you look at um years ago with this place, it's not the same run place by no means. This is
two different places. We don't I don't run it that way at all. And again, I thank everybody, the police department, Paul Chas, thank you so much, sir. And I thank the board. Thank
you very much. Okay. Just so we're clear, uh, Mr. Delpidio, this would be a 60-day trial period. So, you can come back in 60 days and we can look at where we are and what we've done. Okay. all be good. So, we'll look for the
best. Great. Thank you very much, sir. Uh the next item on the agenda is MFRP Corp. DBA the squire. This is a hearing into failure to provide adequate security and this is a continuation from
our March meeting. Your name and address for the record, please. Peter Depa, 604 Squire Road. Thank you very much. So, um, we have your security plan and we have,
um, the history of events. I guess my question would be the security plan that you put forth, has that been in effect since the uh you've reached that um
accommodation with the police? Yes. And I noticed that there was an incident involving a a robbery at the at that location in the parking lot. And the security
personnel, did they watch it on TV and not go outside or not do anything as far as No, it didn't start off as a robbery. The girl punched the customer in the face and it was a boyfriend girlfriend situation. and they stole the park book and he took off to jump into his car.
That's not what was reported about. I understand what was reported, but that's not what happened. And where did you receive this information from? Yeah. How did you learn of the the additional facts that you just spoke with? Uh everybody that was there that night, all the security staff, the
people that were uh bartenders. So when this incident happened, was the security already um had already completed the training that they they had to do? No, no, no. That the that that training from from that
incident the following week I I let go of my entire staff that I had personally and the security company took over the the uh whole security for inside and outside. That was after the Yes.
So, why didn't the security exit the building to intervene while this incident was taking place outside? They didn't see the robbery happen. According to the Rever PD, they were observing it on the I don't know where they got the information, but I don't know that that's not what happened. There's no way
for them to to watch the videotape. The TV wasn't put in until after the fact. There's there's no way to view the the monitor the cameras. Correct. The monitor the camera was upstairs at that time. Huh? Who's this? Who's the supervisor on
on duty that night? Who's working that night? Was you or your brother? Was head of security there? Who was who was there? Uh, I believe my brother was on on duty that night. And according to the River PD, it said
that no one on site had access to the security footage even that night on April 24th. Uh our managers do not have the codes to security cameras. Only me and my brother have it. And can you explain why? What's the rationale behind that? Because if an
incident happens and let's say you know PD rushes in, you know, time is ticking, there's it's crucial that they get access to information. Why is it why is it such a a restriction on who can access the security? just the way we've always we've done it for for 30 years that way. And what's the rationale
behind it? I don't want people recording their their own stuff and then sending out viral. A lot of stuff with Tik Tok today and social media. Disruptible employees will take pictures and they'll send it out. It's happened at many other nightclubs. So, our protocol is just
have the owners have control of the video tapes. But we've always given within a six-hour window tapes to the police officers. So, after receiving conflicting information that obviously directly uh contradicts what the uh
reporting officer has noted, um did did anyone in your establishment make like some type of internal report or document, you know, the version of the events that it received? I didn't know I was allowed to dispute a police report. Well, you're not allowed to dispute it, but you can certainly have your own
internal report, right? You can document uh something that took place for insurance purposes. You mean for us to write it down? That's what I'm asking. Yeah, we have we have we have we write our own incident reports. So you So this this incident this incident was in fact documented. You have an internal report, correct? Did you provide that to the
commission as No one asked me for it? Can you provide that to us? Yes, I can. I'm reading from the police report and it indicates that security was observing the incident through a TV screen located by the front door which shows the video from the security cameras. Is that
accurate? That camera is now there. That TV there now at that day was not there. Well, how could it be in the police report if it wasn't there? I'm not disputing a police report. I mean, there's been thousands of police reports that have been misrepresented over the years. That's a whole topic for Well,
this seems pretty specific where a gentleman is saying he's viewing it at the front door and you're saying it was How would a police officer know what he's viewing if he wasn't inside the building? That's according to the reports he received. Who did he receive a report
from? Um, and then are you aware that 911 was only called after uh uh one of your patrons went to security to urge them to call 911 and that's when 91? I don't believe that story either. Our staff is the trained always call 911.
911 is our friend. So we never hold back from calling the police. Well, Mr. Deper, we would we want to work with you on this and I think that um you know uh it appears that you are
taking steps to clean up the the exterior and you have a security company. We've reviewed the security plan that you have and it seems that if it's followed, it would
be okay. It would it would work. However, just based on this one incident that we have, it doesn't appear that I mean followed. I'm sorry to interrupt you. After that incident happened, I I I
laid off my entire door staff and I took the control of the security company to monitor. They have a supervisor on duty. They have three guys inside. They have one guy outside. Everything's running smoothly. I have two managers on duty. I also have myself or my brothers there
every night. So, everything's been running smooth. And you've had no incidents since uh since this incident, correct? And to be honest with the with I mean if you go by security we're over staffed for security for the number of people
that come in that building. We have 75 people and we have one two three four five six seven we have eight people that can handle security problems. Not to say anything but one day ballroom they're looking at one for
everyund people. We we we're looking at eight for every 70 people. I mean, that's overkill, but we're we're we're we're doing the best we can to clean up the operation, and I believe we're doing a great job. Okay. Well, I mean, I have no evidence
to the contrary other than that police report that, right, but a girl, the girl punched the guy in the face. The guy took her pocketbook and took off and she held on to the door to try to get her pock back. I mean, I do see a very detailed security plan.
Um, we just need to make sure it works. Yes. Well, I think I think the I think the security plan is largely window dressings. I think it's containing a lot of boilerplate language. I think the language about the training and the cameras and the lighting and all that
stuff that he has in the in the parking lot. I think that's all fluff. Um, because what I found here is that there was no real time intervention. you're placing responsibility on a victim who got punched, who was violently beat up in front of your establishment where a police officer responded who interviewed
multiple people said that this individual was being attacked and your security personnel was watching them. Um, there's no supervisor accountability here and there's certainly no external patrol enforcement in the parking lot in accordance to this uh boilerplate security plan that you put in front of
us. So, I don't buy it personally. Um I'm looking at the history and the um repeated um incidents of failure uh managerial failure on the part of the squire. Um I'm not certainly in a position to wait until something
significantly happens in your business for us to act and do something. Uh so you know you know you know when when when something happens according to your security plan there's supposed to be immediate response according to the Ver police security watched on a live
assault and did nothing. Manager according to your security plan the manager and security uh was supposed to have access to the surveillance footage. According to River PD the manager claimed no one could access it and you just reinforced that in this hearing today. An incident report was supposed
to be written within 24 hours. I haven't seen one and there certainly wasn't any filed today in front. Your security plan also proposed that it a prompt response uh call to 911 was supposed to be out your staff and according to River PD which I find credible uh said that the
police were only called after a secondhand report was given to security personnel which prompted that individual uh to call us uh 911. And then lastly, which I also think uh there there's a responsibility uh uh uh on on the
establishment part is that uh $18,000 bill uh who I guess now is $14,74. The bill is now $7,000 right now. Oh, okay. I didn't read the updated. Sorry. This is old. So So this Okay, so
$7,130 Oh, which obviously a significant uh portion was paid. So I take that back. I was looking at the um the previous hearing packet that we received. Um so that was a mistake on the the the report that you got. There are a mistake. So So it was never
14,000. No, what I'm saying is that was a mistake. That was today's balance is 7100. Correct. Correct. Yeah. So So mistakes do get made on reports. That's all I'm saying. No, I was looking at an old report. This was this wasn't a mistake. At one point you owed 18,000. At one point you owed 14,74 and today
your current balance is 7,130. It's not a mistake. It just was an old report. Okay. So when I received your hearing packet probably about two and a half weeks ago, this was probably the number and now since has changed. Great. But you didn't get updated. Well, I did get updated. You know, I'm an attorney. I'm
busy. I printed the packet I received a few weeks ago. Not not the packet I received. I think Maggie sent it a couple days ago which was which obviously updated report with all the updated numbers but it wasn't a mistake. It's a mistake in my in my representation here which I can certainly acknowledge but still the
responsibility still falls on you per the Massachusett laws to make sure that all your municipal charges and bills are paid in full. Um, so I I'm not going to uh make this motion because I'm sure uh that I'm not sure if I would have the
support the full support of the commission, but I I see here a pattern of systematic neglect and indifference to public safety um combined with their continued financial irresponsibility. Um so uh I would like to hear the the position of my fellow
commissioners uh as to how uh you would like to move forward with this. Uh but um you know I I'm I'm prepared to uh to issue uh a proposal that um would
probably significantly reflect what what's been happening at the at the squire at this point. Well, what is it that you would what what type of emotion would you like to uh would you like us to entertain? Well, I mean, I think there's three ways that we can go about this. I think that we can consider
suspending the entertainment license entirely for 60 days. I think that we can consider rolling back their hours until 12:00 a.m. or or the the less invasive measure might be putting them on a probationary period for about 6 months or you know the next 90 days. I think 6 months is a little too long
considering the the last violent attempt uh um incident that happened in April. um which I think you know maybe the commission would consider but certainly my position would be suspending I mean excuse me rolling back the hours till 12 um and um and seeing what what happens
from there but I'm amendable to a six-month probationary period that really monitors what goes on at the squire um and keep it on a tight leash uh because I certainly like I mentioned I certainly don't want to sit back and and and watch something more
significantly happen um in light of our our our April meeting and just a couple of weeks later, I think a few days later actually, um a woman was violently assaulted outside of the establishment and we received reports that uh their security just watched. So, I defer to
the rest of the panel to hear what you guys propose. Um but, um you know, I'm prepared to act on this one. Okay. Well, I mean um do you have any thoughts on this? Well, I think that you're here because
there's been several incidents. Okay. And you're here because we asked for a security plan. Okay. I see that you're willing to, you know, make things better. You basically you've done what we've asked. However, um I don't know if
it was bad timing or what happened, but you know, when we're asked for asking for a security plan, you bring it and then some another incident happens. So that that's basically, you know, what did it here. Um, in my opinion, I think he's I think you're doing what we're
asking. You know, he brought the security plan. Um, let's I would like to give him a chance and see what, you know, what his security plan looks like and put the responsibility on you. You know, I would hate to see you back, you know, in a
month, two months and say, "Hey, you know, this incident happened." That sounds I mean that sounds reasonable. I you um we do have a security plan that you did put in place. I suppose um it would
be prudent to see if it's going to work. I have I have no problem coming back to see you guys every month. That's not an issue. We don't want to see you every month. But I have no problem coming to speak to you, tell you how I feel. I'll tell you how security is going. You guys something's going on. But to roll my hours back, I might as well just close
the doors. I'm out of business and there goes 120 people laid off. No, I understand. I understand what you're saying. But by the same token, you know, we do have an obligation to protect the public and if if your
security people are going to watch things occur on TV, can we open up an investigation and find out who told the police officer that so we can find what's going on? Because and go talk to the victim. The victim has never came. I mean, if she was violently assaulted in my parking lot, I would have been sued by now. Today is a sue happy state.
Should have sued me. Let's go talk to the victim. Let's go talk to the staff. Let's open an investigation there. I have no problem with that. Well, you just said you changed the people you had there. No, I understand that, but I don't know who the police officer talk to. What's the person's name? What's the victim's name? Let's let's go talk to these people.
Well, I mean, that's that's something we I mean, give me a chance to defend myself in that situation. You're taking one side, which is the police officer. Well, I mean he Yeah, we we are going to take the police officer side, you know, because absence any other uh
information. That's that's who is doing the city's bidding. That's who is out there protecting the city. And that's why we would take his position. Now, I don't have a problem with allowing uh the security plan to unfold a little
bit. Thank you. and see how it see how it goes. But I I I understand what my fellow commissioner is is concerned about is that if we walk out this door and then over the weekend something happens and someone gets
seriously hurt. It's on us for failing to act. And I want you to understand the seriousness because then we would have no problem rolling back your hours
whether it shuts out 120 people or not. I I I understand. But rolling back the hours is telling me that only crime happens after midnight. We all know that crime happens at 8:00 in the morning, 9:00 in the morning, 10 in the morning. I understand that. But, you know, the longer you serve alcohol, the more
alcohol people drink, the more likely it is that they're going to be involved in things and based on the times that the incidents have happened, right? Alcohol sales are right now are off 40%. So, that alcohol is not the problem with the situation with people getting into fights to steal the pocketbooks. I mean,
it's alcohol sales are down 40% across the United States. So, I'm not blaming on alcohol. I think it's bad timing on our situation. Unfortunately, two people got in a fight. They stole each other's pocketbooks and they took off. I can't I understand that shouldn't happen. I
don't want it to happen. You know, I'm just saying I'm asking for the mercy by rolling us back. We're out of business. So, we keep on talking in particular about that about that particular incident. I would like for us to focus on the security plan that, you know, we want to make it work. Well, the new
security plan is I got rid of my staff. The security company whose trained professionals are on site, three inside, one outside. There's a supervisor that stops by. The owner of the security company stops by. You have me and my brother there. You have two managers on duty. I mean, there's a lot of people
there watching over 70 people to operate for 60 days and bring him back and see what it looks like at that point. I'd be open to that. Would you be open to something like that? Absolutely. Would you be open to something like that? All right. So, I'm going to make a
motion. The motion will be that we're going to allow the security plan to unfold for a period of 60 days. All right? And then you can come back after 60 days and we'll see what it looks like. But if there are any incidents at all during that 60-day period, we're
coming back the next meeting, okay? and we will deal with whatever that issue is and whatever is in the police report. That's what we're going to accept as the word of what
happened and I don't know how much planer I can make it than that. You have you have the complete security operation. You have the plan. Let's see how it works. Thank you. I would also ask that you submit any internal reports that if there's an incident that happens
in the next 60 days, I would ask that you submit an internal report uh by your security company describing or even from you or your brother describing and explaining what happened, especially if it if it uh it contradicts what reported by the review. Thank you. I appreciate
that. So that's the motion. Uh do you uh do you want to discuss it more or do you want to second it or So you make the make the motion. That was the motion to allow the plan to go into effect and then we'll review it in 60 days. If
there are any incidents in the in the time period between then and and the 60-day period, we'll come back uh immediately and address it at that point. I will second that. Very good. That's Thank you very much. The hearing is closed. Thank
you. Item number 10, Lupita Revier LLC, DBA, Lupita Restaurant, 111 Shirley Avenue. Arasmo Guavara is the manager. This is a hearing into disruptions of the public safety, uh, service to intoxicated patrons, violation of
license closing rules, and violation of on premise license laws. name and address for the record, please. Uh, thank you very much, counselor. Um, so we've been through this before
with Lupus. We had a situation uh was it last year? Yep. where we had to uh roll back some hours because the management was
not keeping the lid on the patrons at closing time now. And so they came back and asked for us to lift the lift the embargo on the hours and allow them to
continue operation. He said that he had put in uh controls to make sure and that he would take the proper steps to make sure that the uh neighborhood was not disrupted by his business. And so we took him at his word and um gave him
back his hours. Now we are receiving reports that you have people congregating out front. There's disruptions and there was a incident where he was serving alcohol after
2:00. Um patrons in the place drinking after 2:00. Totally unacceptable. And so that's the reason why we called your client in. And so I guess we want to hear what you know what is that what are
we doing? Thank you Mr. Chairman uh for that opportunity just to give you the wave tops of this and give you sort of a breakdown of the uh the events and uh those that are and are not included in the police report but are the product of
police action. So what happened on that evening was that at uh 0142 the 911 dispatcher received a call uh coming over the 911 line. The caller was nonresponsive. The uh 911 dispatcher
then initiated uh the call back uh protocol. They called back three times and with no response from the 911 caller, she just she then uh initiated the uh 11 meter ping over the address. The address was uh 100 Shirley Avenue,
apartment 303. Um, having no success with that, the dispatcher then dispatched uh 103 to uh 100 Shirley Avenue, apartment 303. That was at
0145. at 0145. Uh shortly thereafter, uh the officer uh arrived at that that address, identified the person in the uh the apartment the per because he had been sent sent there actually as a well-being check because of the person
being unresponsive uh to the 911 dispatcher. The U officer then left uh 100 uh Shirley Avenue and he noticed that there was some commotion out in front of uh Lupita. There were individuals who had been leaving the the
establishment and that some of the automobiles were playing their music louder than probably might have been appropriate. People were coming out of the establishment when he when he arrived there. Note from the uh from the log at the police department that 103
cleared 100 Shirley at 0158. 100 Shirley Avenue is steps from Lupita. Uh so he arrived there and uh at that time the security uh Fernando who
was on duty that night um was moving people out and there were as he explains to me people who had come there that night. They came in different groups. They didn't all know each other but there were several different groups who did know each other and he was moving
them um accordingly. When the officer arrived there there were people inside uh the establishment. There was no service after 1:30 uh am there were glasses and bottles uh there and there
were patrons there. Uh I'm not it's not very clear from the police report nor the log entries what time um he got inside and made his observations but he did assist the security personnel in
moving the people out. People were then uh moved out of the establishment and while the officer was outside Lupita's on Shirley Avenue, he witnessed an automobile accident. I believe from the uh I have the turret tapes and it
appears that uh one car was pulling out and in doing so he backed into the front of a Mercedes Benz causing some damage to that car. Um so he then determined that he needed to take down the information, make a report and um call
for a tow truck. He did call. Uh G&J was dispatched. The officer stayed there um until the tow truck arrived. He stayed there until the tow truck left with the with the car. according to the police reports and the log uh entries and I
believe the uh officer said he cleared at uh 0242. So what's not in the report but is in the log and is in the the terror tapes is all of that which happened outside that has nothing really to do with Lupita. It looks as though if you
read the police report that he spent 40 minutes inside trying to get people out. That's not what happened. He had to attend to the automobile accident, call for the tow, wait for the toe, wait for the toe the car to be put on to the tow truck and then for the car to be towed
away. Okay. Um, if you like to hear the terror tape, happy to play it, but I'll I'll take you at your word because I'm I'm seeing if the police report does say that he was able to clear the area of the Peters at 240. Right. Okay. So, I'll take you at
your word that that's out front of the place. there was a car accident. The the part that I think is needs to be addressed is that the officer was able to observe numerous patrons drinking inside the establishment past 2
a.m. And that that's a clear violation of the license. and and the uh um it's also there was no detail on that evening and nor was one requested. And so that
was another one of the contingencies that we had for weekends was that he was going to get a detail officer when he had busy nights. And this was apparently a busy night and there was no detail officer requested. And so these these
are issues that when we make these rulings, we expect that the the management is going to uphold their part of the bargain. I mean, we're not there every night at closing and we're not there when it's when it's time to order
a detail officer. We expect the management to be able to handle that. And so those are the problems that I think we need to address. Do you have any anything? Indeed, Mr. Commissioner, thank I I that was an oversight on my part as well. Thank you for focusing on
that. Uh they do have that this was a Sunday night going into Monday morning, I believe. So he does they do have a detail on the weekends. They have on Friday and Saturday, but they do not have it on Sunday. Um he did did have SEC Fernando who was the security uh
individual who was on duty that night um was was there and was moving people out. So yes, we were cognizant of the uh of the establishment needing to use its judgment on weekends to have a uh detail and they did have one on Friday
and Saturday. Uh Sunday being a lesser uh a less busy um time than Friday and Saturday. Um they just have never had one on a Sunday. Let me ask a question. Um and you could certainly refer to the security fernando here. Uh, why has the
staff repeatedly allowed intoxicated individuals to exit the bar with drinks in their hand? Yeah, I I I looked at that. Um, I compared the police department report to the license
commission notice. And I didn't see anything in the police report that indicated that the person coming out of the uh of the establishment was intoxicated, nor the person who was in the who backed into
the other car, he wasn't arrested. He wasn't placed under PC. So, I was a little bit curious as to how it got from that um writing in the police report to the language that's in the notice
because we didn't have any any observation or any knowledge of that people coming out being intoxicated. Um certainly it's reports obviously they were rambunctious though. I mean, we'll I mean, you know, to be frank with you, in in addition to receiving reports from
the rear PD, we also get calls and emails and folks report things to us on a regular basis that don't necessarily always end up in a police report. So, if the office found that this information uh in in or excuse me included that
information in your notice to your client, um I am I am extremely confident that it's based on a report that we received um in some way or another in some capacity. In addition to that report, we also learned that um your client has been allowing people to enter
uh between the hours of uh 1:25 a.m. and 1:30 when they're supposed to be clearing the pre press pre uh premises after 12:30 after 1:30 in the morning. So that's also another report that we received that there's people entering for the first time, you know, at 1:30 in
the morning. Yeah, I I think they stop um correct me if I'm wrong because I think these are conditions that the commission put on them. You have to stop the music at entertainment at 1. Last uh call has to be no later than 130.
And I don't know why somebody would come in at 1:25 unless they were trying to dash to get to get under the wire. But we I just didn't see a report. So I apologize for not being able to respond to that. DJ DJ continuing to play music at 1:38 in the morning. So, is there a
manager on site like Yes. every day? So, what happened on Sunday? It was approximately 20 people inside of the establishment past 2:00 a.m. Cuz your your client is there quite often. I see him there a lot when I
drive. Hello, my name is Fernando. How you doing, Fernando? He security. So, um, speak address for the record for us. Um, Fernando Tvarus. Thank you. The address. Add address. Oh, Louis Petas. Um, 121. Uh, Shirley A. Sure. Go ahead.
Um, so that particular night, um, saying about the people coming in after 1:30, usually a few people will go out, smoke a cigarette, they might like go down the street to the other bar and then come back. Usually if they already been
there, I might let them back in because they might have already been with the group that already was inside. Not all the time. Everyone's coming in after 1:30. They might have stepped out and then, you know, smoke a cigarette, go down, you know, whatever. They come back
up, I'll let them in, which has already been over with. 1:30, the door is locked and if you come out, if you leave, you're you're done. You can't come back in. Um 1:15, we've been more strict. Um, also, um, I wanted to say that, um, when
the the people at the bar, the people that were standing by the bar, they were still by the bar. They weren't like by the door or out like getting near the door with their drinks. They were sort of just finishing them off. And it was way before 2:00 a.m. It was like
1:54, like maybe like 1:50. Um, and I was just saying, "Let's go. Let's go. Let's go." Um that's when the officer came in and kind of assisted me to finish getting them out just because there was a few that just you know were
just standing there um just you know staring in the days while I'm saying let's go. Okay. Thank you for that representation. That that certainly clarifies a lot of things. Um at least for me.
Um, so what do you what do we want to do here with this? Well, I mean, what we'd like to do is have the place run a uh run it according to the laws of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. I mean,
that would be the ideal thing, right? Lieutenant Rand, have we gotten any complaints um since this incident? Uh, no. I ran the logs today. This was the last most recent complaint. That was what in April, right? This was in April. Okay. Um, so you're saying, well, I
mean, we we have some remedy. We can roll back the hours again or um we can do whatever whatever it is you think you want to do. I mean, we can roll back the hours. We can take away a license.
we can. So I I mean so I I'll be honest. I I think I think I mean I we know I know I rolled back the hour we rolled back the hours before on this business and um I I can imagine how that much of that must have affected I I think the last 30 days especially the
representation of of your head security certainly gives me the the the reassurance and the confidence that it seems like you guys have tightened up a little bit. There's been hasn't been any complaints since then. um you know and um you know reading the initial report I
certainly came into this uh meeting willing to propose um either a roll back of your hours or a suspension of your entertainment license but I've personally driven by uh Lupias I've seen um and I apologize Mr. Gravara right Mr.
I've personally seen you there. I've seen I've seen the um you know how you guys have been actively working on getting people out. Um and I I can I can represent that the music has been off consistently after 1:30. I haven't I
didn't hear anything. I live right near there. I drive by Lupas often. I'm sure we have just to kind of see what's going on. So I certainly don't want to be as harsh to to try to propose rolling backwards. But I would I would certainly like to propose a a 90-day probationary
period. Let's monitor the situation. Um, you know, and uh and I would encourage you to continue to have the details and if you suspect that you're going to be busy on a Sunday. Um, I encourage you to get at least one. We have one detail officer over there, right? It's not a
big place. So, at least one detail officer that you have to call in. How far in advance can they book that um a detail officer if they anticipate it being busy on a Sunday? They can book it same day. Same day. That's what I thought. So, you know, I'm going to put the onus on and the responsibility on you as the owner and head of security to
if you know that you're going to have a busy Sunday, get a detail officer. Um um yeah, one of the things that I um said to my boss that just get the detail on Sunday and that way we can all be safe. You know, there's already one Friday and Saturday. Every time the
officers always come, they're they're nothing but help, you know, right? So, which is one of the things that the officer said that night. He asked me, "Hey, no detail tonight." Said, "No, not tonight. We wasn't expecting it for it to get that busy." It was literally a wave that just came out of nowhere. It was pretty much slow that the for the
beginning of that night around like 12 like good like Yeah. good like 30 40 people just popped out of the woodworks. So, it wasn't like where we could just be like, "Oh, we needed a detail." You know, it was one of those nights that we're just playing it by air, but like I recommended maybe just a detail on
Sundays, the 90-day probation, and just make sure everything flows smooth, right? And and I say we review it in 90 days and and if if nothing happens, we just put it on file. Um, but I certainly uh like to give uh Lupas an opportunity
to continue to uh work towards um getting their operations and security under control. Um it seems like you guys are are are headed in the right direction and uh again based on um representations of council as well as uh the head of security. I I would like to
propose um a 90-day probationary period um and um and with a review date um to uh see if anything happens and and the requirement for you to have a detailed officer if you anticipate um being busy
on a Sunday. Okay. Okay. because you already have one in place for Friday and Saturday. So that that that would be my motion to basically review their security in 90 days. 90 days. Yeah. So I also think that you guys are
going in the right direction. You know, things happen and um learn from your mistakes. You know, instead of waiting till 155 if you see people by the bar, you know, now you know it's going to be 140. I don't know. earlier, you know, your clientele. Um, but I also came when
I read the report, I was had a different If we do get other complaints and other reports, we will be sending you a letter and you'll be back here before the 90 days. All right? So, uh, I'm hoping that, you know, you guys
will do this in in a way that, uh, will satisfy everybody. You are in a neighborhood. Uh it is it can be loud there. So just kind of be aware of that and I think uh you know we'll we'll go that way. All
right. So we'll see you in 90 days hopefully. All right. Thank you very much counselor. Absolutely. Uh that concludes the hearings. The next items on the agenda are communications, a not notification from
the Massachusetts Alcoholic Beverage Control Commission of approval of a change of manager for Colewind Management, DBA Stbridge Suites Holiday and Express Rever. The next item is a notification from the
alcoholic beverage control commission of approval of a malt wine cordials liquor license for urban nbold restaurant consultant cor DBA Elzar
zolo. And the next item is notification from the alcoholic beverage control commission of an approval of the wine malt cordials liquor restaurant license
for Peros Pasis Reier Corp DBA perosma. And that concludes today's agenda. I would make a motion that we um adjourn
April June 18th till June 18th. I second that motion. Very good. The meeting is adjourned.