good evening and welcome to April 17th 2025 traffic commission Everyone please stand for the pledge of allegiance I allegiance to the flag United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible
with liberty and justice for all Thank you And to start off a quick roll call Acting Chief Cullen is here Chief Callahan is absent Frank Stringy
Nicholas Rystrom here and Christopher Chair Miller here All right let's start off with our public hearings Our first public hearing is to amend schedule 8 of title 10 parking
restrictions generally by removing Wilson Street from the easterly direction No parking anytime Um the counselor is absent but I would recommend us moving this forward to a favorable vote
Mr Chairman Yes question Um seems to me that the items one and two go hand in hand Yep Y uh switching uh the no parking from one side to the other Correct So we would have to vote to
remove the to remove off the books the no parking lane and the easterly side and then amend the schedule 8 to include westerly of Wilson Street Apparently that is what the residents were hoping for in that area and parking is easier
that side Yep I'm sorry Oh okay You can come up for any public hearing Yep Proponent opponent Thank you counselor Sorry No no problem Just name and address
Okay I think There we go Okay Yeah So um I actually live on the even side of the street and um that's where most of the parking is and we feel that there's not enough parking on the odd side of the street So
um I was talking to a lot of the neighbors and they felt the same way that the sign should really be on the odd number side of the street and also there's a a handicapped child that lives on the odd side So it' be also
convenient for that family that there's no parking so that the bus could the bus could come and pick up their child And I think that was an issue in the past where um that there was parking on both sides so the bus was having trouble coming
down the street So I think it would be you know also convenient for that family Awesome Thank you very much Yep All right Anyone have any information from the commission i would advise to vote
favorably for this Mr Chairman um just a question I was wondering if we could hear from um the fire department because I think that part of the reason that we originally had the no parking on the east side was because apparatus had trouble making that turn
Uh yes we're okay with the change We went out and looked at it and um I I had them drive the trucks out there and so there's no problem either or either side wouldn't affect us either way as long as a one side parking is fine Okay
All right Just to be clear Mr Chairman so the Wesley side is the odd side The westerly side is the odd side I believe Yes So so Westerly is a side closest to
Broadway Easterly would be the side closest to River Beach Parkway Okay the no parking closest to the Broadway side So yes that does that does So westerly side would have the no parking if this went into effect The
opposite side of where the signs are currently located Okay Lines up Uh Mr Chairman I'll make a motion to um approve both items one and two together of the
public hearing Thank you Is there a second second All those in favor all those opposed i I All right Public hearing item number one and two are now approved Thank you
That was all we had this evening for public hearing Now we can move on to the requests Request item one is a request for a public hear I'm sorry public hearing for the metering of 17 public parking spaces designated for public use at the Gibson
Apartments Mr the chairman Beck during the master plan and site plan review uh it was agreed to designate 17 parking spaces for public use for the boardwalk area and the
future pier that the city was planning to to to work on So there would be a public pier where the old pier was u for that as part of the chapter 91 permit also which has to be which has to
designate that area for public use We needed public parking So uh the owners of Gibson Point agreed that they would designate 17 spaces for public parking and it was originally going to be metered So we decided let's try just signage restrictive signage and
apparently the signage is not working Uh yeah you heard the same Yeah So okay I talked to Zach about it uh the parking director and he's in favor of maybe putting a kiosk there parking kiosk All right that's one idea Either that or me
it works either way Yeah Is there anyone any proponents or any opponents for the item number one oh no All right Mr Chairman I'll make a motion to move number one to a public hearing Thank you Is there a second
second All those in favor all those opposed i I All right Request number one will be moved to a public hearing Item number two request to amend schedule 9 section
1099090 resident parking 24-hour enforcement This is Prince Street both sides to 24-hour resident only parking Was that from the residents or from the account counselor that was from
counselor Candra I'm assuming through the con through one of the residents there I'm sorry Sure Parking director Zach
Thank you Mr Chairman members of the commission Um spoke with c uh council karander on this recently Sorry short of wind Those stairs will humble you when you run up them So uh Prince Street has been seeing some abuse recently due to the construction project at the old
funeral home in that parking lot Um before this construction site picked up we didn't have much of Prince Street Um I think it's kind of just with the times during the construction I think some of the problems will go away but nonetheless that's why he put it in front of you guys tonight to see if
there could be excuse me a change made Okay With that in mind I'm not for or against this I do think it would may push the problem off to the next street down off Broadway but
um keep in mind that project on Broadway should probably be wrapping up soon We may want to postpone this table this item until we can hear from some actual residents if they're this is still a concern after the project is complete
Mr Chairman I think that the issue is is because of the construction there's you know workers and whatnot that are parking there Um after this building won't has parking they won't be able to um get parking passes So they won't be able to they won't be able to utilize
Prince if it's 24hour I think it's a um current issue with some of the contractors that are working there Yeah I tend to agree And I believe if we move this request forward we would then be diverting all the parking onto the next
street over instead of having it distributed a little bit It's exactly what's going on My team's over there enforcing the parking meters due to the local businesses losing parking with the contractors in the area And as with the increased enforcement the contractors aren't always able to get out there and pay their meter in a timely manner So
they have been seeking additional parking to avoid that Once the construction's done or it gets near completion and a lot of the contractors start filling away I'm sure the problem will go away as well Awesome Commission maybe a motion to
deny or table this item Motion to table Is there a second second All those in favor all those opposed i I Request number two will be tabled All right Request number three
Request to move remove the following title 10 section 10 34020 subsection G Multif family residential properties having more than six units shall not be eligible for resident parking stickers for location
42 River Street for resident parking stickers This um is one that I would rather not move to a public hearing for multiple reasons
I think this would open a very large issue with parking along the entirety of our city especially since there are so many of these U properties around that do not currently allow for on street resident parking And this would most
likely open a can of worms for all those other buildings to have a leg to stand on to fight our ordinance It's in the leases that they are not allowed to have parking on street and I think it should remain as such Well Mr Chairman I
think there are 12 units there and they have there's at least 12 parking spaces in the back there So we could leave it to under the discretion of the parking director If somebody has two vehicles maybe issue
uh un under certain circumstances a parking sticker but I think if we move this one forward it would open for all the very large apartment buildings as well One being Gibson Point and all these larger
developments may take issue with it I think it really would create an influx in the need for street parking and we already have an issue currently Just to give a commission an update on this specific address Um it's been under ordinance since the inception which has happened in 2020 I've never heard
anything from this building up until recently A new resident moved in The property manager told that resident to come down to my office to get a parking permit During that visit she was informed that that is not available to that building Um it was a miscommunication between her property
manager or her leasing office and what the city was allowing after she found out after moving into the house having two vehicles She wanted to put this in front of the commission But I would agree with you that um you know speaking with Frank Shy these these buildings did get variances at one point for parking
um which is why they are exempt from the system And I understand I have discretionary power but you know you rip the band-aid off People talk especially in these small buildings and I have a a congestion issue in the roadways So more often than not I try not to use that power because I I understand the adverse
effect of it But I wanted to give you idea of why this came up in front of you tonight Yeah And I I very much agree with you This will become a larger issue if we approve this Mr Chairman I uh tend to agree with you Um I think it will um
cause further problems with regard to on street uh parking Uh for that reason I'm going to make a motion to deny this request Thank you Is there a second second All those in favor all those opposed I
Okay Request number three is denied Thank you Request number four is to place adequate signage and/or blinking lights ahead of all speed bumps to provide sufficient warning to drivers and improve roadway safety Furthermore that the traffic
commission Department of Public Works conduct a review of all existing speed bumps location to exert ensure proper signs and report back with recommendations I believe this is something that we can refer to the traffic working group and
we can address this outside of the traffic commission Does everyone else do you commission be in favor of making that motion a motion to uh transfer this
to the uh working group traffic working group Thank you Is there a second i I thought this was already part of the standard procedure for speed humps that they would have But they want us to reinvestigate all existing speed bumps So we can put in from the traffic working group we go go through all the
existing speed bumps and make whatever changes need to be made Um Mr Chairman I would like to second the motion uh to um send to re evaluate existing speed bumps um by the traffic
working group Thank you very much All those in favor i All those opposed This will be this will be pushed back into the traffic working group and we can assess that there Thank you Uh number four So we're moving on to
five Number five Can we give you number six after number seven okay Okay really needs these together Okay Which number is going to be
to speed and then we're going to go to Okay [Music] All right Earlier today I had a conversation with the council who requested the item for the two speed bumps We're going to
postpone that to the next council meeting next um commission meeting So Mr Chairman I'll make a motion to table Is there a second second but don't those automatically go to the traffic work working traffic
working groups um do a feasibility analysis they need to present us with the the TED signatures from the residents who request the speed bump and then we'll move it forward All right Um
so request number five is postponed We are going to move on to request number six The MBTA and the Department of Planning Community Development will provide an update I was told to skip number six Let's go with the MBTA
number I was just asked to skip number six and push it to the end Okay Why don't we just go in the exact order that they are and and let's not make any
changes Okay Mayor Keef requests the following Campbell A both directions from Centennial to River Beach Parkway change from 25 miles per hour to 20 miles per hour Any proponents
thank you Mr Chairman Ira Novaski 53 Dhon Street W to Counselor Um Campbell Aval but what happens is before the speed bump people are flying up the street They're building a new building
at uh three new buildings They're building three new buildings on on Campbell A And I was there yesterday with a police officer and a guy came up there at 50 miles an hour Nothing to slow him down And
uh the speed limit that length between Centennial and Review Beach Parkway is 25 miles an hour I'm asking in by request of the citizens and the residents for a lower speed limit So number one we want to lower the speed
limit down to 20 miles an hour Now a lot of streets that are on in the city wider streets and longer streets are 20 miles an hour and here you have a residential street that's 25 miles an hour So we want to get that lowered down to 20
That's the first step We got some other things going on but right now this is what we want to target Um thank you counselor Do you believe there are other items you would like address with this should this be something we should move into our traffic working group as well to see if
there are other speed calming measures we can take uh well this is one thing I want to I want to happen but the other things people are asking there's other u petitions going around for additional speed bumps because of the speeding
that's going on Should we try to group this in i'd rather not I'd rather do them separately because it'll take too long for one thing to get through You know the 20 mph we want to get reduced one way or the other Whether the other things happen or not we still want to
get it reduced Okay Are there any other proponents or opponents for this this is only a request anyways right now You have to go to a public hearing Yeah Commission do you have any input on the
reduce from 25 to 20 on Campbell Lab speed limit um Mr Mr Chairman I'd make a motion to push this to a public hearing Is there a second second Thank you All those in favor all
those opposed move to public hearing Item number six All right Item number seven MBTA and the Department of Planning Community Development will provide an update on the better bus network bus stop pilot that was launched on December 15th 2024
The present the presentation will review the effectiveness of the pilot's goals Relocation of bus stops for routes 116 119 and 110 along Broadway and Park a Park Avenue to improve transfers for
riders installation of new transit signal technology to allow buses to safely serve the new bus stops within adverse impacts to intersection operations We're just going to go in order of what's on the agenda at this point I don't want to keep trying to change the
agenda last minute [Music] Um not yet Let's give him a second to Ah thank you Hi everyone Um so hi my name is Olivia Moade I'm a project manager at the MBTA on the bus uh better
bus project uh team I'm joined today with uh Ed Luna director of the better bus project uh management office at the MBTA Um oh and now my slides are up so perfect timing So we're here today to talk about um the
pilot that has been ongoing at the intersections of Broadway Park and Central for the past four months now Um just an overview of what we're going to discuss today I'm going to give you a brief background of the project I'm going to give you updates on the pilot
as promised uh in our uh agreement with you all And then we're going to discuss um next steps and also any questions you all might have Why are we here today um so the bus network redesign project the first phase
launched December 15th of 2024 and it increased and simplified bus service along Central A Park A and Broadway Um we have worked with the city for the past more than a year now to make the transfer process for riders in for
routes within the area better uh and produ improve pedestrian safety while also monitoring the impact on intersection operations and curb use in the area And the improvements that we have implemented were approved on a pilot basis And part of our commitment
as part of this pilot is to give you an update on how it's going So just a very brief reminder the goal of this project the overarching goal is to make a new transfer for bus riders easy and
accessible I'll go over a little bit of why that is but essentially we uh consolidated two uh three bus routes into two making two of them frequent routes the first frequent bus routes that Revier has had uh in doing so we needed to think about uh new transfers
that people might be taking between these new frequent routes So just a review of the timeline from this point Um we first came to you all in May of 2024 and presented our proposal It was approved as a six-month
pilot in June by you all We installed paint and transit signals in the fall and the new service launched in December We're coming to you all about halfway through the pilot to give you an update on how it's going The
pilot is set to be ended in June of 2025 And if approved we would do final construction hopefully fall of this year pending approval time in and uh run in lead time So just a brief overview of how bus
service previously operated in this area Um the blue route shown here is the route 110 that travels east and west It previously used the Park A busway in one direction which is the um road that we call the the driveway behind the the
fire department Um we had a whole lot of service going north and south on Broadway And then we had Route 117 shown in red that went up Broadway and turned onto Central A I'm pointing that one out specifically because that is the major
service change that we implemented in December was eliminating that one route which now requires riders to transfer from one frequent route heading up and down Broadway to another frequent route heading east and west As part of this we also um adjusted the
routing of that east west route 110 Um this means that it no longer uses that park a busway uh including an area that's actually a parcel owned by the MBTA outlined in red here This allows us to have a slight overlap in the route
110 heading at east and west and the north south routes to allow for shared stops between the two So what we did was we consolidated four stops into two to allow for that transfer for riders So instead of them
having to walk 800 ft to transfer from bus to bus they now have to walk zero feet This is a savings in walking for people that might have trouble walking or have children with them of essentially the equivalent of the entire
border of the city So every single day it's equivalent to someone not having to walk around the entire border of the city So a huge savings for our riders In order to make this work we installed um bus Q jump lanes on the
outer um lanes of the area between Park A and Central A on Broadway This allows us to serve buses heading north and south um in the outer lanes We also pushed the um stop bars back at
Park A and Central A to allow larger vehicles to turn more easily We also installed transit signal heads um shown um as those little rectangles You've probably seen them out on the streets Those allow the buses to
merge back into the north and southbound traffic lanes safely in their with their own signal phase They look a little weird That's intentional The goal here is for the bus operators to know what to do but for other vehicle operators to not be
familiar with them and not use them So this is what it looks like as an after condition You have some buses that continue turning right from the bus stops and we have some buses continuing straight using that transit signal
I'll note that during the morning there is the peak hour from 4:00 a.m to 9:00 a.m bus lane heading southbound During that time the um transit signal at Park A in Broadway is turned off because the bus can continue straight in its own
lane and it does not need to merge back in These signals I should note are only activated when they detect a bus or something that looks a lot like a bus I'll talk a little bit more about how we're making that process work better next month So one other thing that we did was
we actually had to reopen a pair of stops So we were out there from about 6:00 a.m to 6:00 p.m every day for the first week of the service changes to make sure that riders knew where to go um because the service change was significant and we wanted to make sure
that everyone was all set What we heard from writers a lot of elderly riders specifically is that the loss of the pair at Broadway and Central and Broadway and Fernwood essentially in front of the Old Writ It was the one stop that headed to
Northgate Mall that was served by the two bus routes that serve it Um so instead people would essentially not be able to stand at the same stop and get either bus going there So this was just a challenge specifically for elderly folks trying to reach shopping and
medical care We worked with the city to reopen temporarily that stop pair for the remainder of the pilot to ensure that elderly residents were not impacted As I mentioned um right now the transit signal will turn on only if it sees a
bus but MBTA buses aren't actually the only buses that use River Streets Uh I'm sure you all have seen a lot of school buses especially uh during dismissal time Um and until next month it is possible that
other bus-like objects are actually able to turn the transit signal on Um we are essentially creating a multiffactor detection system that will launch in May that will keep only specific buses that
are heading north south um as being able to use that um transit signal So essentially we are making the number of potential times the transit signal is turning on uh much lower um at least 34% less
In doing so we are also increasing the period of the transit signal by 1 second The reason for this is the current transit signal green time is simply too short for a bus to be able to safely get through the intersection So while you
are seeing a 34% decrease in activations beginning next month it will be a 10% longer cycle So still an overall win but the cycle will be longer This will ensure that buses clear the intersection and aren't blocking it
Before I go into evaluation I just want to see if anyone has any questions Are there any changes you're advising us to make with this yes this at this point Okay I just wanted to make sure there are and I'm going to get to those in just a minute
Okay Um I just want to give you all briefly before I do an update on the evaluation as requested just so you know what you're kind of working with before I ask for for changes Okay thank you Okay great Um so I'm just going to go over
how the signals are operating effects on auto traffic effects on buff bus travel and then impact to riders in river First of all we talk to people That's always a good way to get started right um so we talked to the crossing
guard at the corner of Broadway and Park and actually someone who was covering her when she was out one day We basically heard from them that they were really positive about these changes to the intersection They saw new students taking the bus to school now that there was a stop closer to it Um they
mentioned that you know the intersection is complicated but the changes uh didn't really seem to make the uh operations during dismissal any more complicated for them than it had been before We also spoke to riders who are really excited about this frequent service They
really love it I kept trying to get specific information about the stop and they basically just kept saying "Oh my gosh this service is so good Thank you so much for the change." We did hear from people though that said things like you know I actually used to live next to a stop
that you consolidated into this one but because the service is so good I don't mind walking a little bit longer and other folks saying you know this service is really good and this stop is really good and it's getting me to school and to work into home on time We also talked
to bus operators that are using this intersection We heard from them that overall things are going okay The transit signal is really helpful in allowing them to merge safely back into traffic They actually want us to investigate using these in other cities around the um region
Uh we have heard that turning right um from Broadway to Central and from Park uh sorry Broadway to park is still pretty tight even though we moved those stop bars back Um and they did have some comments about the spacing with those
new uh the new stops that we put in and the old stops in front of Walgreens and Write Aid saying basically like why are we stopping about 400 feet from one stop to another typically it's closer to a thousand feet between stops We also looked at the numbers and
we crunched the numbers for you all We're finding that overall about 6% of all cycles of these signals have the transit signal activated This is actually lower than we expected That's great news It means that we're not
impacting your intersection very much Um during peak periods it goes up to 12% honestly still less than we had expected Um and the total maximum we've seen is several time uh sorry seven times on central um and 11 times at park in an
hour Um in terms of how this is impacting auto travel through here um in terms of travel time along the corridors in both intersections there's basically negligible impact and same with vehicle throughput So this means that whatever
we did it's not actually impacting the choices that drivers are making They're not trying to avoid this intersection and it's not changing the way that they're traveling We did see that there is a slight increase in intersection delay Um at 3 p.m as we know 3 p.m is
very busy over here Um about 10 seconds So from 69 to 79 seconds of delay at 3 p.m and from 32 seconds to 49 seconds at 6 p.m on Broadway Park A So for 2 hours of the day at one of the intersections
there is a noticeable increase I'll note that the increase at 6 p.m brings the delay still not above what the delay we see at 5:00 p.m So it's essentially just an extension of delay in the peak period rather than a huge increase overall
In terms of how the bus is using this intersection we are seeing that it takes longer for the 110 heading eastbound Um this is not a surprise We're no longer using the park out busway the area behind the fire station which was basically a shortcut for us So we are
seeing a delay because of that Um this is something we're willing to live with because these changes in providing this same stop transfer to our riders has been very important So we're willing to in uh be okay with an increase over there Um the 116 outbound so that
northbound bus is seeing 1 to 2 minute decrease in travel time and for all other buses in all other directions essentially again a negligible impact Yes So I just have one question So the previous the previous slide you had up
Yes So that broad that increase from Broadway to park is that an increase of 11 seconds or I'm sorry 10 seconds or is that an increase over a minute per vehicle it's an increase of 10 seconds Okay So you used to have to wait a
minute and 9 seconds Now you might have to wait a minute and 19 seconds Okay Thank you It's all ahead Okay Um and just to look at our ridership um we are sending 5,000 people
through this corridor every day on a bus To put it in perspective there's about 30,000 cars that go through this intersection So by having the bus travel through here you're basically avoiding adding 18% additional cars through this
intersection Um so that's really cool Great to see that a lot of folks are using that system which makes this intersection work um more effectively for everyone We're seeing in total 255 people are making that transfer that we found is so important and wanted to make
sure was accessible and safe And we are seeing 580 total people boarding the bus at those new two stops I will pause for questions before we talk about next steps Any commissioners have any other questions so it looks like it's just an
a wash as far as times If 10 seconds is the worst that one of the rides can be inconvenience for these extra added more frequent bus stops it's not worst case scenario Yeah we were really happy to see this And again there are some things like um
the adjustments to the signals that are happening next month that are actually going to hopefully make it even better Um so it seems like things are working pretty well and we're benefiting a ton of riders every day Awesome That's good news Yeah it's awesome Okay quick question Yes Um you
mentioned uh the reopening of the two bus stops uh further up Broadway uh for uh some specific people what was the impact of uh reopening those and what's the impact of then closing them again
that's an excellent question I do have a recommendation in my slide deck about what we should do there Um briefly the impact temporarily has been that people don't have to walk about 1,000 ft to a bus stop to get to where they want to go Um but we have a proposal that would
alleviate the uh issue with having two stops so close together while fixing the issue for those riders Okay Okay Cool Um so pending approval from you all as
we had discussed um last year um our plan as always has been to actually reconstruct the stops the sidewalk at the bus stops um between Park and Central on Broadway The reason we hadn't
done this before for you all was because um the project was approved as a pilot and we didn't want to expend funds on permanent sidewalk improvements uh if it could then be cancelled Um but we do
have plans stamped in hand ready to go to reconstruct and uh repair um the areas outlined here at both bus stops to make them fully ADA compliant We also have approval from the property owner at
Citizens Bank to extend the sidewalk improvements onto the sidewalk that is within their property line and make improvements to some of the holes in the sidewalk in that area where there used to be lights in the sidewalk actually So pending your approval and
making this a permanent um uh uh situation we would be able to implement that uh those repairs Can you Sorry can you just go back quickly yes Um can you just walk through what the actual improvements are i'm
having troubles Absolutely And I'm happy to forward um these plans to you all Um essentially some of the sidewalk panels here um have been impacted by tree roots and just wear and tear So this would be
um repouring that concrete to make it um a flat surface with an ADA compliant grade Um it also does propose um putting in benches at both stops That's an option you all are welcome to um say yes
or no to but we'd love to provide those to our writers So the the sidewalks in these two areas will be at the same elevation they are now with the curbing and all It's just that the some of the um some of the
breaks that are there like tree pits and the old lighting those will be gone So the surface will be more continuous Is that correct yes Basically as is just in better condition Thank you So the request is just the bench There's
no proposed shelter or anything to that Unfortunately due to these locations and the frontages of the businesses right in front of the the sidewalk there's not actually space to put in shelters Um we do have some different types of shelters we're investigating It's possible we
might be able to put some in here in the future but um we did talk to riders about this We asked them like "Hey would you prefer to have a stop at a different location and walk and have a shelter or would you rather have that same stop transfer here?" And we heard overall
that folks preferred to have that same stop transfer here even if there wasn't a shelter Okay Just curious Thank you Yes And now I'm seeing that this is a video that might not play Um
so I will follow up with you all and show you this photo after Um there are a couple things that we found during this pilot So um it's actually great that we have this as a pilot and are able to make these adjustments The first challenge has been um as I had mentioned
before those right turns from um Broadway to central and from Broadway to park for large vehicles Um we moved the stop bars back 10 to 12 feet at both of the intersections Let me just go to the next page so you can see what I'm
talking about Um so this area shown here we moved the stop bar back about 12 ft We are finding that um our buses are still um having trouble taking these tight turns Um part of the time it's
because um vehicles are stopped beyond the stop bar Other times it's simply because it's a large vehicle right at the actual stop bar Um this actually has the potential to cause delay by the bus
having to take a really slow turn blocking traffic for other vehicles that might be behind it And it's also obviously a safety concern A tight turn like that can um be challenging for folks to navigate Um so our proposal um would be to adjust
the striping of this area slightly Um it's shown roughly here in red Our proposal would be to move the stop bars back an additional 10 ft Um we actually could move it back total of 15 ft more without impacting the signal timing but
we've heard from River staff that that might be too much Um so we'd like to propose 10 feet as a compromise it would still provide us a huge benefit and again not just for that MBTA buses but any large vehicles that are making these turns
Okay a quick question on that So the one at Parkav you're saying that you're looking to move it back 10 ft but uh the signal timing would not be changed The signal
timing would not be changed We have dug into the signal timing and requirements at the federal and state level and they would permit us to move the stop bar back 15t more until uh before we haded to to add an additional second of red or
yellow time to the signal phase Is that something that could be looked at anyway even though you you'd like for for the the signal to add another red or yellow second From my experience coming
down park there is some times where that signal turns green and only one or two um vehicles are able to get through If you're going to move that stop bar back less cars will get through Um and you know in some cases the the queue on
Parkav is back all the way past Alustin Street you know even past Barrett So um I think that we should certainly look at the impact um or the at least the possibility of adjusting the timing Sure We are happy to present what that might
look like to you all next month Um but just know that you know according to um guidance this is technically okay Obviously if you all would like the adjustment to happen in coordination with signal timing we can discuss that
Understood Now is the problem because people are driving beyond the stop bar currently or do you believe it's more the fact that there's just not enough room so it's it's twofold So that's why we're proposing not just moving the stop bar
back but putting in that striping that X So if someone is stopped at the stop bar today it is not ideal Um it probably might take 20 to 15 seconds to take the turn Um if someone is stopped beyond the
stop bar it could mean a bus not being able to turn and being stuck in the intersection or taking 30 35 seconds to take the turn How how far back is the stop bar currently from Broadway 12 feet at Park
A and 10 feet at Central A Okay So it would be proposing going from 12 to 22 and from 10 to 20 which is about equivalent to a car's length away from the crosswalk I'm just concerned that it might confuse
people a little bit if they're forced to stop so far back You know it just Yeah And so I will strange I I agree I agree for sure There are some other options um that we could do instead of the X box striping if that would help Um so other
things we could do is put text on the street past the stop bar that says do not block or keep clear if you think that would be a more clear message to folks Mr chairman I Yes I think that'll go a long way because I I witnessed that
a lot and cars creep past that stop by now I think that would prevent the creepage further if that was xed off and we could maybe keep it at the 10 or 12 feet rather than having to expand it to 15 feet
I would I would tend to agree Yeah I think they uh if we can keep the resident stop um the all the traffic to actually stop at the current stop bar maybe that would help you guys out a little bit I'm just I'm concerned on pushing it back 22 feet right so that
would be it's 12 now Mhm 22 feet seems a little far to have the stop bar away from the the turning lane because it would just Right It seems just a little much Right now people don't acknowledge that stop bar Yeah I I they're probably pulling all the way up still I think if
you reinforce it with with the X and you plan do what you plan on doing I think it'll work you'll see a max a max um a large improvement What if I proposed a compromise if we're going out there and adjusting the
striping anyway um to put in that Xbox could we move it back an additional five feet at both intersections mr Chairman through you Mr Chairman Um yes uh I agree on the park probably wouldn't make sense to go too far back
and but as far as central goes we would probably at the fight if I'm going to get maximum benefit by pushing that stop bar back more because that helps us back in We have to we have to empty that lane out to get our line truck in the station So that could definitely help us if if that would be something we could do
Understood All right But I I do believe I think central makes a little bit more sense than park because park is actually work worse It's a slightly tighter turn Central comes off at like an angle You have to like loop back I thought that
would be tighter Sometimes on park there's a car the car is parked right on the side there in front of Oari and that makes it more difficult for the bus to get between the parked cars and the car stopped at the stop at the stop bar Well I mean both of
them neither of them are really great and increasing the radius of that intersection wouldn't help The radius is already so constrained I don't think it's possible to make it larger Yeah If the commissioner agrees if you
guys don't mind would you mind us actually going out there in person and taking a look and see if we can come to an agreement i 5T might be fair I just like to see it myself because Yep for sure I'm just concerned I'm pushing it too far back as well Absolutely We'd be happy to do that with you all Okay Can
you can I just ask Mr in asked this question but if vehicles on park a are actually stopping at the stop bar the buses have enough room It's there's no problem Is that right they have enough
room if they take the turn at about five miles an hour maybe less So very very slowly And again that's dependent on um no car being parked um there So that area is actually hashed
out here on this diagram um on Park A next to the Aari as something we want to emphasize that no one should be parking there Okay But those buses aren't I mean they're taking the turn from stop at the at that um bus stop right so yes they're
not really able to get up to much faster speed than five miles an hour anyway Isn't that right it's true Um I I will say it is tight Um historically it is tight we've had we've had some challenges with this intersection I actually took that bus over here today and I asked the driver I was like "How's
it going?" And he said "It's totally fine except for that one turn." All right Well that's fine We can go out there and we'll we'll take a look Okay And we'll make you agree upon we'll we can adjust it back I'm just concerned on how far Absolutely We're willing to work
with you all Okay Thank you Yes Okay So sorry I have one more thing to talk about with you all today and this kind of goes to your question earlier So we talked about stop spacing Um so right now the space between the stops um that we put in and the stops we reopened is
about 300 ft On average we prefer 1,000 ft spacing Um so this is just a lot of stops in one area Um it just you know it's better for coverage for curb use to spread them out
Um but we do recognize that having a stop pair um served by all those bus routes um the 119 the 116 and the 411 is really important to our riders So we do have a proposal We um
are proposing to move the stop pair in front of the Walgreens and the old Wraid to south of Mountain A on Broadway This results in a net increase of two parking spaces along that corridor and it evens out the spacing so you have
600 feet between one stop pair and 700 feet between the next It also provides a better uh more convenient stop location for um riders coming to or from River High We know that a ton of students um
go to the bus after school Um so this would actually make their trip more convenient as well Okay So just to give you an idea of what that might look like we're on page 27 here Um this would um put a stop um
right uh south of Mount A heading southbound and south of Mount Nav heading northbound shown here We have an option to put a shelter at the northbound stop a narrow shelter Um that would not be impacting any um
business or building frontages On the southbound side we are exploring um options It's a more constrained um sidewalk but we're exploring options that would be essentially an extra small shelter that we could fit in there If you all are
interested uh inputting this stop pair in instead of just closing that other stop pair um means that we are avoiding adding 400 additional people getting on and off at
the stop pair between park and central um which is likely uh an operational uh thing that we probably don't want to see over there Um and it also means that we are avoiding 170 additional pedestrian
crossings of that crosswalk at Central A and Broadway per day And that crosswalk is uh push button activated So that had would have some potential uh challenges for your intersection over there Just one more question Yes If you go back at
page 26 I'm just curious Four plus spaces but there's an asterk there So during the morning peak when you have the bus lane there from 4:00 to 9:00 a.m you wouldn't have parking there So I just wanted to put there That's it's real though for
the rest of the day after 9:00 a.m Understood Thank you Yes So we we're looking at a net increase of two parking spaces that zone Okay Yes Well that's nice Um question on this the slide on the next page Um and this is I guess more of
a general question Uh do you find any change in ridership if there is a shelter at a stop or not it really depends Um generally speaking um some riders do prefer stops with shelters
Other times riders prefer stops that are just most convenient to them Um so it it can really vary Um we generally try to put shelters in when we can at stops that have wrership I believe over 150 riders per day in both of these stops um
would be eligible based on that standard Okay If you were to if these would you still consider putting these stops here or would you still want to put them if if you weren't able to put the shelters that would be a challenging trade-off for riders that are relying on the
shelters in front of the Walgreens and the old write aid today Um but um it is something that would benefit a lot of folks by retaining these stops So it seems to make sense to us to put the shelters in if we're able to fit them Um
it would be an investment by the MBTA in the area We also would be offering to do sidewalk reconstruction as needed in these areas um as part of this project to make sure that it's fully ADA compliant All right Thank
you Now the does the MBTA I'm just curious when these shelters go into place does the MBTA go by and check them every so often because I know they get to face and stuff like that and I hate to see Yeah It's a great question So we have a contractor that we contract out um
Intersection that um maintains and operates our shelters So if anything is broken or defaced um if as long as someone lets us know or if we hear um from a rider um we go ahead and um implement those repairs We have hundreds
of shelters through our system um and lots of folks out there repairing them Awesome Thank you So the shelters aren't owned by the MBTA They're owned by a private entity Kamusa Samusa what uh they they are responsible for
maintenance Um it's I I don't have the specifics of the contract right now but um that's not bad I'm just yeah trying to make a point If you could pass that number along that'd be awesome I'm sorry The number just the contact of the maintenance Oh I can definitely provide the the contact for maintenance It's
actually within the MBTA We would um connect you all with them So happy to do that Thank you Yes Yeah Because we've called called the MBTA in the past on these shelters and they directed us to another entity All right So commission I'm sorry Is
that all yes Thank you Yes Thank you Thank you for your patience That was a lot So thank you everybody for sitting through that presentation There's a lot to take in here Uh Julie Dearo Department of Planning and Community Development Um I think the next step
here is for the commission to decide to whether or not to move this to a public hearing in May One to make the pilot permanent Two to formally um put in the changes that we talked about tonight I know that the park a stop bar that will
have to be adjusted and I think you're looking for a demonstration on that but we would um come back in May with uh another proposal that could be voted on for the May meeting Um but I think at
this point everything the T that you have asked the MBTA to do they have done and they have been very responsive in all of your requests So I'd like to request that we move this to a public hearing for May All right Motion to move
to a public hearing Is there a second second All right All those in favor all those opposed move to public hearing Thank you And I think the next item on the agenda is the Shirley Avenue feasibility parking Yeah we're a little
a little mixed up with the agenda before this So let's see if we can let's go to item number eight and then we'll double back to the one that's missing off the agenda So amendment to schedule Oh Jesus 19 section
10990 on street meter zones Please see attached All right There's a couple amendments to the parking schedules relative to meters that need to be implemented Director Mr Chairman members of the commission thank you Thank you In front of you tonight you have amendments to
schedule 14 uh 14 parking meters uh parking meter zones where uh we provided you the whole list of what currently exists plus what we're adding Um so we don't want you to be confused The black lettering is what's already existing on the books in place on the street The
ones in green lettering is what we're looking to add We just wanted to put it in the appendix accordingly so you could see how it would look in line with each other Um so few different requests One we're going to start with the Shirley A district We're looking to add a number
of meters throughout the corridor 44 in total Uh various locations First one being Sandler Square Um this one comes on for Sandler Square Um there's lo one's listed as Dehon one's listed as Centennial Uh we want to put them in Sandler Square as there's four operating
businesses in this area We removed the meters in 2019 um when the housing development came on board 1719 Dhon and there wasn't much business going on in the area Now today you have four operating businesses one Chocol one being Capri the other one being Crown
Royal Chicken and then you have the FedEx um River Business uh center Um these businesses have reached out to both my department the community um development office and the ward council looking for some type of relief Um
there's not much flexibility with parking in this area Everything is 24-hour residential Um so we are looking to bring back on Dehon and Centennial uh four spaces each side um into the square and we are looking to
bring that into a public hearing as well as additional meter locations throughout the Shirley district with the increase of growth of new business over there It has the businesses used to be in a centric location on Shirley They have now started expanding across the
corridor making a more need for parking um beyond prior to walnut which is why we are looking for meters up and down Shirley A in between 72 Shirley A to Walnut it's about 12 spaces on the northerly side in conjunction what we requested for
Centennial what we're requesting for Northshore Road and there's a second part where there's 15-minute spaces throughout the corridor for So on top of adding meter locations we're actually asking looking to increase meter rates in the Shirley district One of the things we're trying
to promote down there is we want to bring on 15minute sensors Uh sensors will be attached to the parking meters They will provide courtesy time for any vehicle pulling into a spot These sensors are pretty good They use them in Malden in their business district They can identify a vehicle engulfing in a
parking space and they will automatically prompt that meter to provide 15 minutes of courtesy time One of the things we run into the Shirley district a lot it's very dense It's either a parking meter or 24-hour residential Not much freedom and not much flexibility And what we run into is a lot of times with the modern day Uber
drivers or um Uber Eats things like that trying to do a quick pickup order um move on with that order and and um deliver it to the right person Or even the average person coming home for the night wanting to get a bite before they go home They're trying to make a three minute stop get in and out pick up their
to-go order and more often than not they're running into a parking ticket Um the reason why we want to create not only the 15-minute census but we're asking for the meter rate increases as the account the meter account that generate that this revenue generated
goes into pays for the overhead of my department and the employees You know it's always nice to give something back to the community and find a way to provide more e-commerce and become more businessfriendly but at the same time there are bills that need to be paid So we didn't want to put ourselves um put
our foot in our mouth per se and get a little ahead of ourselves We're trying to help out but you know put the department in a fiscal disposition So in lie of the Shirley corridor we are looking like I said to add 44 meters
That would add 110 to the corridor in total We would also look to take all 110 meters and install sensors to provide 15minute parking Okay Mr Baba I just have two questions please Is this in conjunction with community development about their feasibility with the Dehon
Centennial yes Okay Ultimately the ordinance states that the request has to come from the park and director to the traffic commission which is why we just rewarded it Thank you And the rate increase is that specific to the Shirley Aar Correct So we're going to in
conjunction run a pilot program on Broadway with nine sensors that the pocket advisory committee approved to be purchased And what we want to do is we want to gather some data on Broadway to see if the rate needs to be increased to the same amount and how we can better add more of those sensors to the
Broadway corridor The Broadway corridor is home to a lot more meters Um the reason why Surely I was able to come up a little faster is it was grant funding provided by DPCD to make this happen um in conjunction with their TED district and their parking study they have going on down there
Okay Um Mr Director question um for you please What's the proposed increase in the rates it go for the Shirley AB would be a dollar to a$150 Excuse me Right now it's a dollar an hour We're looking for $150 an hour which would ultimately be a quarter for
10 minutes But along the way you would also still be getting 15 minutes for free on top of before that coin is deposited So that 15 minutes would be in conjunction with whatever you added to pay for your stay The idea of the 15 minutes is to try to move these spots over a little quicker allow that
in-n-out service for these individuals getting there while maintaining some structure Okay And just curious I don't mean to put you on the spot but go ahead Boston they had Boston I believe $2 an hour it goes to different zones back bay I think
is like 250 it's all dynamic so you you can go into the back bay it's 450 475 north end has different rates it really depends on they do dynamic pricing across the whole city based on the demands of that area okay so not two areas in the same in Boston usually have the same meter price
understood and so this would be is this comparable with those surrounding communities Absolutely Okay All right Yeah we've been um we've been slow rolling Even in 20 2018 2019 we went up on our meter rates We were at 50
cents an hour Most cities were above beyond us Um so we still continue to play catch-up um with parking fees and penalties All right So I believe we should look favor upon this and move to public hearing or unless there's someone else like to speak on the matter Any other proponents we do have some support
from DPC here which I would love to get that We also have a signed petition from some of the business owners in the Dhon Square area Yes I saw that Thank you And we have the ward council here who may want to speak as well Uh Mr Chair and members of the traffic
commission Uh John Fa business lison off for the city of Rivier and um uh respectfully requesting that the the commission here look into the feasibility of the additional parking meters as Zach was stating um in the
Dhon Centennial Avenue which is what which what I'm speaking on this evening um for to really to try to promote access for these small businesses in these locations Um I've been working with Zach and with Council
Novaski Um but we've also been we have a company called Stantac Consulting which is doing a parking study on the Shirley Avenue corridor Uh you probably heard them before because they also did the study on the Broadway corridor as well
Um we've had meetings in the area and we've received input from these businesses that Zach spoke about the four businesses Uh matter of fact I have a petition here signed by them Um that if you didn't receive it in your package I'd be more than happy to give one a
copy of it for you today Uh because what we're really trying to that in this petition obviously they're supporting the feasibility to see what can be done in that particular area to help them Uh because what we're trying to do is we're looking by adding these additional meters Um we're really looking to give
the parking options um for for many of the patrons that go down there and visit it Right now it's it's very difficult but we're also looking you know we're also working in conjunction with the area residents to come to a solution and we feel like we have one what Zach was explaining and what he's recommending
for that particular area So I just wanted to you know I know that councils is going going wanted to speak on this as well as that but just wanted to wholeheartedly uh tell this commission that the department of community development supports uh the motion of
looking into the feasibility of having this occur Okay Thank you Thank you Are there any other proponents councelor Thank you Mr Chairman members of the commission Iron Novaski 53 Deon Street 2 council Um I
have had meetings with um Mr Fester and also with the local business people down in the uh Sailor Square area the four businesses down there And you know they signed a petition looking for some help They weren't very specific They just
wanted to look into the feasibility of what we can do to add meters or something that could move parking quicker and allow their people to stay a little longer but not too long or people coming to the train and
running to Beachmont and coming back and stuff like that So uh the list that we have there's a few items that I I want to adjust with them you know even though you may want to put it towards a public hearing today which is no problem Uh but
you know we may adjust it with the total number of uh meters between now and then Okay Okay There's a couple spots here but um I don't know if you want to hear from now is u they want to add like 12 meters on Shirley a on the north side
between Walnut and Thornton Street you know in those business districts uh from Jaime's buildings they built uh not necessarily all the way down to Thornton Street because you got apartments there and they have they don't not supposed to have cars anyways but that's besides the
point um but that that's and and um on Dohon Street you know which is the street I live on uh in down in the triangle at Salem Square one side has seven spaces one side has six spaces
So I' I've asked for three on either side to accommodate the businesses instead of four That's what I would rather see And still try and take care as much as the residents because I have to balance And we've changed the parking down there at least five times in the
last seven years to different you know someone wants 30 minutes someone wants one hour someone wants two hours And that's what's confusing some of the parking folks of how long they've been there and what's metered and what's permit parking and to
that stuff So I don't mind adjusting and trying to take care of the business as much as possible but I still have to look at the residents No that's fine There there's a lot of information here to um digest So we'll have to look through this and we'll make sure this gets advertised very well before the next public hearing And between now and
then I I'm actually going to have a neighborhood meeting to include the businesses and the residents to make sure they all understand what's going on so they won't be surprised when it happens Thank you counselor Okay Thank you
Any other proponents good afternoon Richard Visqueke city CFO 281 Broadway Um I'm here to speak in support of um the proposal by the parking director Um we are trying to
embrace technology the best we could Um these 15minute sensors um again paid for through a grant which is great This will give flexibility to all customers of that area to park for 15 minutes for free without stumbling for money and um
get in and out on a lot of the businesses that they may want to go into just briefly without affecting them and risking them parking tickets and such But um definitely need to be cognizant of of uh the revenue loss in that situation So we're trying a pilot
program on Broadway to keep the rates the same with the 15 minutes versus the increase on Shirley A and we'll weigh out um the cost benefit of that you know certainly not um trying to jack the rates up too high but we really have to uh be cognizant of of losing revenue but
I think um the overall plan is great to provide flexibility for a lot of the businesses now that popping up down there throughout the years with all the um construction and and I do feel like parking meters actually help the benefit the businesses not hurt them by allowing for turnover and parking in that
district So I'm here to support this uh proposal Thank you Definitely I agree All right commissioners Do we have a uh motion on the table to move to public hearing i believe possibly Motion to
move public hearing Is there a second second All those in favor all those opposed move to public hearing Thank you And I believe that brings us to the end
So it's an update from the traffic working group Um special add-on would like to add two additional items regarding question and walnut a traffic calming petitions and recommendations This is not a public hearing or request
for a public hearing It is just an update to our findings Okay So uh Julie Dearo Department of Planning and Community Development Um so this is our first real uh recommendations to the traffic commission based off of our traffic
working group traffic calming petition policy that we enacted um this past year So we had two pending traffic petition requests one from um councelor McKenna for Crescent Avenue for a speed hump
there and also another one from councelor Ivra Novasulki for a speed hump at 50 Walnut A Um what we did is we followed the procedures that we talked about in the traffic working group and the traffic calming policy And so for
Crescent we did find um that there was some speeding Um it indicated that the 85% speed um was exceeding the the posted 25 mph speed limit sign That was on Crescent What's that that was on Crescent Yeah it was on Crescent It was
placed at the 200 block of Crescent Um and so what we've talked about in the traffic working group is that we would install um removable speed pillows on Crescent A see how that goes Um adjacent to the Orchard Street intersection Um
we'd also install four-way stop sign at Crescent and Webster And then we'd also monitor driver behavior with these changes and consider um a pillow or additional humps further east and west um closer to Windsor Parkway The traffic
board is actually out there right now on the other side of Crescent A So we only have data from one Um but we I mean I think we can pretty much assume that there will be speeding on the eastern side of Crescent and then we'd have to figure out where else we would put that
speed pillow So that would be the recommendation for Crescent A for Walnut A Um the speed sign was placed at 50 Walnut A We did this twice We originally had done this back in late September
early October Um there was some concerns about the data but then we also did it again the beginning of March and um there was minimal speeding if any So um there was no speeding at the 85
percentile speed rate of 25 miles per hour It is posted as 25 So we're um so we're not really recommending anything except here for drive except for driver education or maybe putting in a rapid flash beacon pedestrian
activated signal there just to kind of let drivers know um that there are pedestrians crossing there So those are the two recommendations um for Walnut and for Crescent We did
get an additional request that we look at Walnut A further north of this location So the opposite side of Shirley a so closer to I think it's between um Shirley and Walnut Place So we are going to activate
the speedboards out there and see what comes out of that and then bring those that information back to the traffic working group Um next next time when we meet in May we're hoping to have the information for Charger Street which was
actually a resident petition that was submitted to our group We'll be looking at Proctor at Adams That's another resident request Um Centennial and Campbell Right now we have it at um between 87 and 169 Campbell but I'll
have to review that because you put in a request for dropping it down from a 25 to a 20 miles per hour That was just for Centennial that Campbell Centennial to the Pathway Okay So I will
take a look at that Um and then we also have like I said Walnut A south of Shirley A and then Sagamore Street I know there was two petitions here tonight or two requests to put speed humps on um rice a in the point of pines
If that wants to be directed to the traffic working group we can add that to the list As soon as you get the signed petition list then that can move forward with the traffic working group Okay Okay Okay Um I'm sorry That's it That's all I have All right So then at this point I
believe we would need the commission to approve the installation of the speed pillows and a four-way stop on Crescent So that would have to be moved to a public hearing because you are adding stuff to the roadway So yes that so that would have to be a public hearing for
for May You're adding stop signs right yes But we positive has to go to public hearing Yes Okay Okay I believe that it actually has to go to uh as a request because right now it's not a request Yeah So then motion to remove to be
requested in the next meeting possibly followed by a public hearing the next one after that Okay We should probably look at that So we should probably change that so it just goes to a public hearing or the request public hearing is a little I don't think we can Yeah All right So
motion to approve to a public hearing I'm sorry to a request which would be the installation of the two the speed pillows on crescent the four-way stop and then the pedestrian beacon for walnut 50 walnut a Mr
Chairman may I speak on that thank you Mr Chairman Iron Novaski 53D Home Street W 2 counselor Um honestly I don't have faith in the uh speed machine that they put on Walnut A Um second of all the speed posted on
that section of Walnut A is 20 miles an hour There's a sign right on there posted at 20 and you're talking 25 miles an hour And I'm looking at the numbers and it looks like it's at the 20 mph speed that people are
going or a little more rather than less And I challenge that machine because when people come down the app and they see the machine they know that they are being watched and they see the machine It's like a cruiser being there So
they're gonna slow down You don't live there and people don't live there The people that live there see what's going on And personally what I said before on Campbell A about a car coming by I've parked myself literally
standing in front of 50 Wall and A and cars coming by at 40 miles an hour and when I tell them to slow down they give me the the sign Okay and people know that they speed Like I said you don't live there You're not there all the time
You have to listen to the people that live there So counselor so would you be requesting us recalibrate the speed sign yes Okay No the we can Well so the speed sign's accurate or we're just the speed should
be 20 miles hour I'm missing the I looked at the ordinance and it's posted as 25 miles hour Well okay So we have a disagreement there 20 It hasn't been updated in the ordinance Is there a sign you're saying there's a sign that says 20 m hour Says 20 m an hour I don't I
didn't see a sign that said 20 It's right by It's right by the driveway of going into 50 W There's a yellow sign that says slow Take a look All right let's let's go find out if that's the case You know the people down there want it Now this whole thing was done before
the policy was put in effect so no signatures were obtained Now if you want signatures obtained by 10 different residents down there I will get that for you But I don't I don't believe this is accurate and I think we need more than
just a flashing sign It's just another sign that people are just going to forget So council let's just check on the speed the posted speed sign there and find out if it's 20 If it's 20 then we can look at this again and make it more accurate because the study was done
at 25 miles per hour So the traffic and and that's one thing that nobody's ever been invited to the traffic working group So we don't know what's going on with that All of a sudden it just pops up So it's not a public it's just a internal group to make these decisions
to go to go step by step through the process that was submitted to the council and approved Honestly you would think that the ward counselor in any ward never mind just me would be notified to have some input on this Okay correct me if I'm wrong but I believe this was approved by the council So I
think the next steps is because we did look at that day in the traffic working group when we were looking at the information We looked at the city ordinance and it's not listed as 20 m hour So it's either not recorded right in the ordinance or the ordinance hasn't
been adjusted So let's do this If you are saying it's 20 let us do the research to find out when it was changed to 20 and how we how we get it posted correctly And then if it is not changed
if if it's no evidence of it ever being changed then we'll work to the process of going through the state to have it dropped to 20 Cuz right now it's we've adopted the 25 mph speed limit everywhere in the city
If you want to have it at 20 you have to petition the state right and I don't I have never done that for your street I've never done that for any street So I don't know if it was done by somebody else I'm I'm not quite sure it might have been but we don't I don't have
record of that but I'd be more than happy to do the leg work and see what's going on but I don't think we can really make a if if that is the case then we can't really make a decision on walnut abs tonight That's fine So we can just table one on until we get the correct
information Okay So it would just be the request for the public hearing for crescent a Okay Okay Commission just had a question about the walnut a is there a question about the validity of the speed
readings Is that is that what I heard it's a fairly new machine Let me say that But like I said if there was a cruiser parked there people would slow down When they see that sign flashing of how fast they're going to make sure that they're not
going faster than they should be they slow down because they see the machine there But when there's no machine there they fly We had two weeks ago we had a person get hit by a car about 20 feet from the intersection of Shirley A onto Walnut A Ambulance was
there took it to the hospital Then two hours later another person got hit in the other side of the street of Walnut A It's a bad bad intersection We have to get people to slow down And the only way to do it as far as I'm concerned is install a speed bump Okay Well let's
follow the traffic calming policy that we have set up I believe you can use the speed radar sign with the sign off Is that No the on the whole understood But can can you turn the science off so people don't realize it's
recording the speed yes you can do that Um I have requested that but that's not how the study went Okay So I have requested that I've had like two days the sign is off Now we're giving away our secrets But two days the sign is off and then it's out there Two more days
the sign turns on and then you look at the data from those two days So but now everybody knows who's ever watching out there tonight knows the tricks to us trying to catch you speeding So yeah So that's
that All right Okay Thank you commission Do we have any motions on the table for the Crescent A traffic calming measures i don't believe there is any motions Well this is a recommen This was a recommendation Why can't a
request why we why can't we accept the recommendation and move it to public we'll just move it to a request I don't know Okay I think it has to be on the agenda as a request first Thank you Okay So we we'll add this to the agenda for request first and then we'll move it to public hearing Anyone can add a request
for next meeting and then we can move to a public hearing then I'm glad we figured that out Thank you Um let's um that's all we have for today So motion to motion to adjurnn Yes Second
Second Thank you very much Meeting adjourned