Um look like we can call the meeting to order. >> Um this is the August 27th 2025 real river edge municipal land use board
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address prior to making a public comment. Um I do want to kind of assert uh some executive privilege here on two items if we can. Um because there may be uh a large number of people who are
panelists, they may want to participate in the um uh 55 uh kitak uh block 208 lot 12 food handlers uh approval. Um I want to move the HVAC discussion till
after that because we have so many participants. I don't want to have to call that many people back in the future. Uh, second thing I want to do is is put a 10:00 curfew in case it does go that long. Hopefully it won't. Um,
that being said, uh, Marissa, could you Marina, could you take role? >> Yes. Thank you. Mr. Mayor >> here. >> Mr. Kaslin is excused tonight. Miss Boland >> here.
>> Mr. Cray >> here. Mr. Kigo >> here. >> Mr. Feffer >> here. >> Mr. Gibbons >> here. >> Mr. Goautier is excused tonight.
Councilman Glass. >> I see his name, but I I think he might be having some technical difficulties. I saw him come in and out of the meeting. So, we'll just hold on. Councilman. Oh, there he is.
So, he's here. >> Councilman Glass, can you hear us? >> I can. Uh, yeah. Sorry, I was having difficulties. I'm here. >> Thank you, Mr. Salva. >> Uh, here. >> And we have our newest member, Miss
Lavine. >> Oh, you're on mute. >> You are muted. >> I'm here. >> Hello. Welcome. >> Hi. Thank you. >> Also present, we have our board planner, Mr. Barren, and our board engineer, Mr.
Costa. >> Mr. Devkin is trying to log in. He's having difficulties. >> Okay. >> Uh, try him again. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Okay. Um, guess we can proceed. Uh, the
first order of business is to swear in our new member, Tracy Lavine. So, If you'd like to do the honors. >> Yes. If you please raise your right hand and repeat after me. I, Tracy Lavine, >> I, Tracy Lavine,
>> do solemnly swear >> do solemnly swear >> that I will faithfully >> that I will faithfully >> impartially and justly >> impartially and justly >> perform all of the duties >> perform all of the duties >> of the office of
>> of the office of >> alternate member number two. Alternate member number two >> of the Burough of River Edge Municipal Land Use Board >> of the Burrow of River Edge Municipal Land Use Board >> to the best of my ability >> to the best of my abilities. >> I do further solemnly swear
>> I do further solemnly swear >> that I will support the Constitution >> that I will support the Constitution >> of the United States >> of the United States >> and the Constitution of >> and the Constitution of >> the State of New Jersey >> the state of New Jersey. and that I will
bear true faith >> And I will that I will bear true faith >> and allegiance to the same. >> and allegiance to the same >> and to the governments established >> and to the governments established >> in the United States >> in the United States
>> and in this state >> and in this state >> under the authority of the people >> under the authority of the people. >> So help me God. >> So help me God. >> Thank you. Congratulations. >> Thank you. Well, welcome and hopefully you'll never regret it.
>> I'm sure I won't. >> Um, okay. Wonderful. Uh, the next order of business is to approve uh the minutes from the 8:13 meeting if they're available. the
>> provided prior to the meeting. >> I'm sorry. I don't know if it was me or >> circulated to the board. >> Am I trans? >> Am I back now? >> I'm not sure who locked up whether it was Marina or me. Was that you?
I I think it was me. Um, but we do we did receive the august 13th minutes. >> Okay. >> Move to approve. >> Yeah, you're going in and out unfortunately. >> Yeah.
>> So, the meeting So, the the the minutes have been distributed for review. Um board members, any um edits, changes, issues, concerns on the meetings on the minutes that you've reviewed for the 813
meeting. >> I'll make a motion to approve. >> Okay, Mr. Given approved. Do we have a second? >> I'll second. >> Second. I miss who that was.
>> That was Mr. Kigo. >> Yes, >> Mr. Kigo. Thank you. Uh, all in favor? >> I >> I >> I. >> Any opposed? Any abstain? >> I wasn't at the meeting on the 13th.
>> Yes. So, Miss Boland, Mr. Feffer, Councilman Glass, Mr. Salva, and Miss Lavine are all um abstensions. >> Everyone else. >> Okay, that being >> So, the motion passes.
>> Motion passes. Wonderful. Uh, next on the agenda is the memorialization for uh, Ernesto Martinez, 885 Park Avenue, block 208, lot 12.
Um, >> that was not um, available yet. So, we'll have to >> wait push that one to the next meeting. >> Okay. Uh well then we were on to the completeness review for the KCK Bagel
Shop at 55 Kendrick Road, block 208, lot 12. That's that's an interesting thing. Um I'm looking at the address that's listed for Ernestto Martinez and it's got the same block and lot number.
>> It's Mr. Chairman, it's block 1413, lot five. Okay. Look like a cut and paste >> issue. Okay. Um Okay. Uh so we are looking to do a completion review for
the KCK bagel shop. Mr. Barrett, you want to >> Yes. I >> Well, first let me check with our professionals. Miss Stinley, the notice, proper notice sent out, etc. Yes, I reviewed the proof submitted by
plaintiff by the applicants council and found them to be sufficient. Okay, >> Mr. B. >> Uh, good evening. Yes. So, the application is really uh for proposed change in teny for one of the tenant spaces in an existing building. So, the
applicants provided uh a copy of the existing property survey showing existing conditions as well as the proposed floor plans for both spaces within the building. And based on our review of all the materials submitted, we believe the application can proceed this evening.
>> Thank you, Mr. Barren. Uh, Mr. Costa, any Did we lose him? There he is. >> So, it's up to the board, but I would move it into public. >> Okay. Um, anyone on the board have any
uh concerns, questions regarding this uh the completeness for the application? >> And and m uh Mr. Craig, Mr. Debkin is here now as well. >> Oh, he is. I'm sorry, Mr. Okay, Mr. Deppkin, any uh commentary on the application? >> Uh, no. I agree with the other
professionals. Thank you. Sorry for my delay. >> Okay. Um, can this be a voice vote? Uh, Miss Styley, or is it >> We We usually do a roll call vote. >> Make a motion to accept completeness.
>> Mr. Gibbons. Thank you. Second. >> It sounds like Mr. Kaneo again. Thank you. >> All right, Mr. Mayor. >> Yes, >> Miss Bolan. >> Yes.
>> Mr. Craig. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Mr. Kaneo. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Mr. Gibbons. >> Yes.
>> Councilman Glass. >> Yes. >> Mr. Salva. >> Yes. and Miss Lavine. >> Yes. >> Okay, the motion passes.
>> Wonderful. And as we are moving right along, that takes care of the there being no old business. We can move right into the review for
uh the KCK bagel shop at 55 Kak Road, whatever the block of lot number you quoted was, Mr. Barrett. >> 1413 lot five. >> Okay. Um you ready to proceed?
>> Yes, sir. Uh first I'd just like to clarify um this is a the subject property was used as a laundromat and as a dry cleaner. Uh the application inadvertently stated that it was the laundromat use that was
being discontinued. It's actually the dry cleaning use the north side of the building that has been discontinued. The laundromat's going to continue. We're going to have testimony uh from uh Mr. Mr. Burado as to that fact and then from
Mr. Nurell, you know, to talk about the operations of both businesses so that the board would be comfortable um with the site uh with the number of parking spaces that are provided as well as there'll be other testimony as to other parking that's available. But I just
wanted to clarify the point that uh laundromat is staying. >> Okay. and it's a um a simple application. Um we're in front of the board because of uh the need for the my client to obtain
a food handlers license. He wants to uh open a bagel store and he'll tell you all about that. Um we and I mentioned to uh Miss Donley before I submitted a copy of the 1993 resolution
um which approved this site for uh the laundry and the dry cleaner and granted a number of variances um parking uh parking in the front yard uh and in the rear and side buffer areas uh etc. But
at this point, I'd like to call upon the uh the owner of the property, uh Mr. Emberado, and he's also operates the uh the laundromat. Do you want to, Miss N? Do you want to swear everybody in at once, or do you want to do it one one at a time? >> I think I'll have to just do it as ne as
necessary. One at a time. >> Surely, no problem. All right, Mr. Amado, if you please raise your right hand. Do you swear affirm that the testimony that you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. All right. And then we'll just need your
address and your relationship to the you're the own your accompanies the owner the property. >> Yes. Um >> so if you just provide your address for the record. >> Uh Paulado 191 Lynwood Avenue Township
of Washington, New Jersey. >> Hello all. >> Thanks. Hello. >> Hey Paul. Hey guys, >> thank you. >> Okay, so Mr. Rado, how long you have you
owned the property? >> Uh 2008. >> Okay. And >> no, I'm sorry. 2000 um 1998. I believe it was 1998. >> Okay. Uh and you're familiar with its
operation? Uh do you actually own the laundromat? or do you have >> I I own I I I own the building and um I we purchased the the property from uh uh Latty and Caesar Isa who operated the
laundromat and also the dry cleaning and uh back in the in the late 90s um and uh we've we've operated out of there since uh but early 2000s we actually um went over to we sold the
business and it was operating as uh the same in kind um through uh just pretty much through co when uh business really struck down. So at that time in the last year or so we've been uh slowing down
with the the dry cleaning business and uh we've been just pretty much operating a wash and fold come out a little bit of a commercial wash and fold uh business and um kind of letting the uh the dry cleaner side kind of just uh
completely not operate anymore. So, if the board sees fit to approve this application, how will the laundromat be operated? In other words, what what will be the hours?
>> So, so the the building is has always been set up for for two businesses. Um, if people remember the the uh it was uh actually the first Let It Grow official office uh outside when I moved out of my
mother's house on Park Avenue. Um but uh it was a very small half and then Latty and Caesar had the uh um the the the where the middle of the building is and all the washers and dryers. So we
would there would be a wall separated the two pieces which was taken down a long time ago and it would just be uh pretty much a square 11200 square foot uh space where all the plumbing has been
existing and the um washers and dryers go back to the same quantity that was approved back in 1993. So nothing has changed on that except that will be just it itself a smaller
space operating just as a laundromat. And the laundromat right now has developed a good commercial following. It's a pickup and delivery. Uh and that's pretty much what's been hanging us on. We have a bunch of ambulance
companies that we pick up. um and plus a bunch of residentials and some commercial stuff up and down, but it's strictly wash and fold. And uh it's I would say 80% of the business right now is uh drop off and pickup. I mean, I'm
sorry, uh delivery service. Uh 20% being a drop off and pickup. Um the hours we would probably mimic the hours that have been going on which was 8:00 am to 8:00 pm.
Uh but most of the commercial work is being done in the morning and it's been known that the laundromat gets busy after 4:00 and generally it has the same flow of customers it had for the last
teen years. Um, and uh, like I said, the volume and the revenue is is withheld with within more of a a delivery service. And how many how many employees are there? >> One.
And and again, I believe what you just stated, uh, and I just want to confirm this. Uh, the retail customer, you don't have many of them until later in the day. That's been the pattern. >> Yeah. It's never [Music]
business that you went out grabbed customers and operated out of the b out of the store. So, there's a big large amount right down the block. So, uh that takes a lot of the business. It's open 24 hours. We're not looking to do any of
that. It's uh just going to be as low-key as it's been for all these years, but much smaller space. And uh based on your observations, has have there ever been any parking issues?
>> No. No. I just I wanted to there's actually there is two employees. There's there's one full well full-time is 30 hours, but uh there is also a young man that uh has a dual role at Let It Grow and he's also supplying the management
of uh clothes line, the laundromat. I see. Okay. Now I uh have you had the opportunity to review the reports of both Mr. Barren and Mr. Costa >> me?
>> Yes. I sent >> I have not. No, I have not. I'm sorry. >> There's some Well, there are some questions and I think I think you're the one uh who can better answer them than M. >> I think so. >> So, I'll ask you um if I may. So, on u
on Mr. com Mr. Costa's report. He wanted to know whether there are any facade improvements uh that are going to you know going to be made. >> No. >> Okay. And um are are you aware whether
or not there are any easements or covenants or deed restrictions on the property? >> No. >> Okay. Um, and to the best of your knowledge, the utilities are there are more than adequate both for the laundromat and for
the proposed use. >> Yeah. Yeah. Uh, 600 amp. It's a lot. Back in the day, back in the day, Caesar was doing his own dry cleaning and and we've performed the full cleanup and actually we've gotten full uh bill of health in the D as well. So, there was
there was a significant cleanup going on there. >> Okay. But that was a long time ago. And do you uh do you anticipate the installation of any additional exterior lighting? >> Um, no. There's everything that was
approved way back when is still there and it lights up the uh there's plenty of lighting. The two signs were always for two businesses. So, those are staying. Those are illuminated. There's sophet lights that wrap around the building that that create light for the walkways and the beginning of the
parking. There is a large uh I I I don't I it it loads up from the uh the south side covering into Mike's auto body there, Mike's repair shop, and then there is one that pretty much floods out
into Aerson. Um and then there's a spotlight that goes on and a camera by the dumpster area. Okay. >> So, is that is adequate? And there was landscape lighting at one time. >> Okay. And do you anticipate any
additional landscaping? >> It's pretty full landscaped. >> Okay. >> You know, actually looks very nice. I s you know, looks good. We pulled the weeds. Let me just see if there's anything else
for you. At this moment, I do I do not have any further questions of uh Mr. Ember. >> Okay. Well, then let's start with our professional. >> Um, Mr. Barren.
>> Good evening. I'm just running through my my memo just to see if there's any pertinent questions for Mr. Emado. Um, I don't think I have anything for him. So, thank you. >> Thanks, Tom. >> Thank you.
>> Uh, Mr. Costa, >> chairman, I think the only thing on this is probably the parking and I guess, uh, I don't know, Tom, who's going to talk about that, whether it's adequate time of, you know, I guess once we get into what's actually going to be going on there.
>> Yeah. and Murell has some comments to make about that and the availability of off- streetet parking etc. >> Right. That that would be it. And again, if they're going to bake on premises, uh obviously any food establishment depending on what they're doing there as
far as grease trap, stuff like that. Again, I don't want to take Steve's thunder. He's in the bottom bottom center of the screen. >> That would be I was I was gonna ask our architect about that when we when we get there. Okay, perfect. Okay, Mr. Debkin.
>> Uh, yes, thank you. Uh, my main concern um mimics Mr. Costas on the parking. Um, you know, bagel bagel shops tend to get a little bit busy. They're in and out. I noticed uh that there's no parking along the street uh and there's only four
spaces uh in the uh you know in the parking area. Um were there any plans to u redesign that? Well, there's actually there's actually 10 10 spots on site and Mr. Nurell is going to testify that uh before 9:00
a.m. parking is allowed on Aerson. >> Okay. >> And and also he's going to testify I'm taking all your testimony, Mr. Nurell. Uh that for he and his employees, he's purchasing uh parking permits across the street in the commuter lot >> that they're they are available. He's
made inquiries. So the the spaces that are there are going to be strictly for customers and oh >> he's going to also talk about delivery etc. So I I think the board will be satisfied that there will not be uh any parking issues on site.
>> Uh thank you Mr. Barrett. That that's that's fine. Um proposing any any new signage uh you know you'll need to get approval uh for that. >> Our architect's going to show >> okay >> Mr. Rimber's the the clothes line is
keeping one sign and the other sign will be for the bagel store. >> No changes no changes to those signs that are there. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Uh that's all I have. Jim. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Dean. Uh let's move to the board. Um Mayor Pablo, any
questions, comments? >> Um no questions at this time. I'll be interested in hearing uh testimony on the questions that Mr. Costa has put in his memo. Mr. Bearing has put in his. >> Okay. Thank you, Mayor. Uh, Mr. Boland,
>> no comment. >> Mr. Feifer. >> Yeah, I'm I'm also just going to reserve till till all the witnesses are done and then I'll have questions. Thank you. >> Uh, Mr. Kigo. >> Same. Thank you.
>> Councilman Glass. Yeah, I don't know if this is whenever appropriate. My only question right now is if I understand this correctly, a former dry cleaning space is now going to be uh used for a bagel shop.
So, I'm just wondering if there were any regulatory requirements about the change in use related to environmental concerns
and if those have been fulfilled. But that can be answered by whoever is the appropriate person and whatever. Is that is that is my understanding correct about the change in use because there was just a lot of conversation about a laundromat. >> Correct.
>> We're talking about a bagel shop, right? That's being >> right. The laundromat's going to remain, Councilman. It's >> So, there's no change there, right? There's no change there. >> Okay. So, >> if I >> It was a former dry cleaning space and it's going to be now occupied by a bagel
shop, right? >> Correct. >> Okay. >> And Mr. Bado, could you just tell the councilman again uh about the cleanup that took place and the approvals that you received? I >> I'm talking about the current change in use though, not a historic change in use.
>> Well, to my to my knowledge, there's no no requirements when the business closed to receive approval from anybody. Well, Tom, when did the the law the excuse me, when did the dry cleaners cease operation? Did that come before or after the environmental cleanup?
>> I think that's the question. >> What I May I answer that please? >> Yes, I'm sorry. >> Thank you. The uh the cleanup was done back in the early uh probably mid to to late 2000s. Um I don't have the exact
dates but the dry cleaners really just uh the work has been outsourced uh there has been no dry cleaning on premises since probably 2012.
So, it's been more of a uh outsource, you know, it was there was no operations going on after that and the cleanup was done well after that. And I I I don't I don't have the exact dates, but uh it might even be earlier than that. I could
I could produce a a letter stating exactly the whole full breakdown, but um it's it's fully cleaned. It's there the monitoring wells have been removed uh and and the cease of operation of the
original dry cleaning when it was being done in the on premises is in the 2000s >> and and cleanup took place after that. >> Well, yeah, right after that. Yeah. Well, actually during Yeah. I mean,
>> so there was no there's there was no actual dry cleaning done after you received the approval uh for the cleanup that you performed. >> That's correct. >> Thank you. >> That's great. You know what? I meant to lead with that question. So, thank you. >> You're welcome.
>> Thank you. Okay. >> Thank you, Councilman. Uh Mr. Gibbons, >> no, nothing right now. Thanks. >> Okay, Mr. Sullivan, >> no questions. Thank you. >> And it's Lavine.
>> You're muted. >> Not at this time. >> Okay. Wonderful. Um, Mr. Barrett, do you want to >> move on? Yes. I'd like to call upon our architect, uh, Mr. Fileleti.
Mley, could you swear on Mr. Fleti? >> Yes, if you please raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> And Mr. Fleti, could you please state your name and address for the record?
>> Victor Fileti, 143 Terrace Street, Hworth, New Jersey. >> And Mr. Fleti, could you share your professional credentials with the board, please? >> Sure. Um, I have a bachelor's degree in architecture since uh 1992.
Um, I currently hold registered architect license New York, New Jersey, and the state of Connecticut, and I've been in front of this board before. >> Thank you. >> Welcome. >> Does the board have any questions on Mr.
Fleti's qualifications? All right, I think you're good to go. >> Thank you. So, Miss Fleti, could you uh describe to the board the renovations that are being planned for the northerly portion of the building? >> Sure. Um, I'd like to share the screen
uh for a minute so that I can put up the plan. Is that okay? >> Yes, sir. >> Yes. And this has been submitted. Uh, Marina, so I don't know if we need to mark it. >> Uh, no, just confirm the the date of
this version so then we can make sure that that's the same. >> I have last revised 81325. >> That is correct. This is the same plan. >> Okay. All right. >> So, um, everybody can see the plan. Um,
this is a proposed condition. uh what the layout will be after the renovations. Um it shows on the left side the portion of the um laundromat that is going to remain. Uh the washing
machines are existing. Uh the one toilet uh for that facility is existing and will remain. the dark line uh of the wall here is the new partition that will be erected uh creating the two separate
spaces. The plan continues to show all of the uh counters and equipment uh that the bagel shop will uh will have installed. Um it does show the uh unit square footage breakdown of both spaces
um as well as a shared mechanical room in this area here. Um the remaining portion including this toilet will all be for the bagel store. >> Okay. Um you heard uh Mr. Costa raise a
concern. Will there be a grease trap? >> There will. Yes, there will. >> And so that'll be submitted to the building department when you apply for your uh building permit. Yes, that will be uh submitted with all of the other uh
requirements for this facility to to meet all of the code. >> And there was an inquiry whether or not there are going to be any new roof mounted mechanical equipment >> at this time. Uh the the mechanical equipment as I understand is going to
remain. Uh there may need to be some replacement. Um there may need to be some exhaust fans for some of the equipment that is uh going to be installed, but that would be it. >> Okay. And do you know where where they'd be located approximately?
>> Um they'll approximately be located in in this area u where the bagel machines are and where the uh proofers are number four and five. >> Okay. So that's the rear of the building. >> The rear of the building. Correct. Okay.
And uh do you have a sketch of the proposed sign? >> I do. >> Uh >> so this um this is a uh photo uh with a little bit of editing uh showing the existing clothesline sign and the
proposed KCK uh bagels plus. It kind of toggles back between this is existing. We're using the same sign, same structure for the sign, same lighting, just changing the graphics and it kind of toggles back. No change.
>> I'm going to mark this as exhibit A1. And this was prepared by by you, Mr. Fleti. >> Yes. This was prepared by myself. >> All right. And I'm just going to give it today's date. >> Sure. >> And it's two two sheets. >> Two two eight and a half by 11 sheets.
Yes. >> Okay. Great. Thank you. >> Uh let me see. >> I believe that that's all I have for Mr. Fleti. >> Okay.
Let's go to our professionals. Uh Mr. Barren, you want to start? >> I I don't know if I have any questions per se as the floor plans sort of speak for themselves. I guess I do have a few questions. I retract that. Mr. Fleti, will there be any roof mounted equipment
that would be necessary for the uh bagel store? >> Um only uh some exhaust fans uh in the in the back area here. Um we we anticipate and and the mechanical equipment that's there for HVAC is going
to be adapted for this use. Um but I believe everything that's existing will be reused. >> How tall would you say that equipment would be? At least the new vents and so forth. >> Um I I can't see it being more than 3 feet above the roof.
>> All right. My the question is whether or not it would warrant screening. Um, but you're saying it's sort of in the back the middle back of the building. >> Correct. Near 2, four, and five in this area. >> All right. And would be at maximum about 3 ft in height. >> That's correct. >> Approximately.
>> Okay. >> Um, well, while you have this up, um, what wasn't clear to me on the survey, um, which is sort of acting like a site plan in this case, is the location of the dumpster. Just to be clear, >> I can pull up your survey if that you want to see that.
>> Yeah. Why don't you walk us through that? Maybe you can answer some questions. >> Uh, let me just see what we get to here. >> Okay, everyone see that? >> Yeah. And maybe I I would suggest if if no one else is going to walk the board
through it, if you might be able to just to orient us as far as the building, parking, dumpster, etc. >> Is that okay, Tom? I'll walk. >> Yeah, we we have an engineer, but M. Okay. No, but no, Mr. Familiar. So, >> Yep.
>> So, >> and I'm sorry. Was this was previously provided? Yes. >> Yes. >> But, okay. This is just colored the printed, >> right? And this this shows the additional properties. That's all the
the one that was submitted uh is strictly a survey of of this property uh prepared by uh the Burton firm. >> All right. I'm going to mark this exhibit A2. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Could you just describe it um Mr. Fleti
and what the date and who prepared it? >> Sure. This was Burton. >> Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it's Burton Engineering. Um, this is dated March 29th, 2017.
>> Um, looks like that's the latest date. >> Okay. Thank you. >> You're welcome. So um this is showing the one-story retail building clos line number five
five Kinderac Road. Um here there are two access points. Uh one on Aerson here accessing four parking spaces and an access and on Kinderac Road um
accessing six parking spaces in this asphalt parking lot. The rear of the building that we were looking at is generally right here under the uh dimensions of the property. And the front of the building where concrete sidewalk is shown is the front of the
building as referenced in my plan. >> And then fronts on Kinder Kak Road. >> Front on Kinder Kak Road. Correct. So the the photo that you took A1 with the signs >> that was taken and your back was to kind of come back when that photo was taken.
>> That is correct. >> And where are the dumpsters on this so survey? >> Um I'm not familiar with the location of the dumpsters. Maybe Paul can uh answer that. Yeah, they would be on the there's
that little indentation along the uh the property line right in there and it's fenced off right there. >> Right in there. Yeah. >> Yeah. There's a one yard dumpster right in there and it's fenced off and you can see the fence >> right here.
>> I I guess one question would be just to confirm that that space is sufficient for the the uses on site. I mean that's in some respects a business decision, right? Just making sure that you have what you need. So just somebody just to nod that, you know, say yes, it's it's adequate.
>> Yes. Yes. Very adequate. >> All right. Um I I have no further questions. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Barren. Uh Mr. Costa, >> chairman, I mean basic basically that's that's it. Um, obviously it there's
tables shown on the photo that was just shown. I don't know if they're going to have outdoor dining or whatever. >> I mean, the big things is obviously garbage garbage pickup uh and whether or not there's adequate parking, but that's basically it.
>> Yeah, we we'll we'll talk about the garbage that that Mr. Nurell will uh testify as to that. Okay, >> wonderful. And moving on, Mr. Thank you. Yeah, Mr. Costa got me again.
Um I see outdoor seating. Um if that is proposed or interior, um that will be something that will need to be approved. >> Correct. The or the there's a separate section of the ordinance, but there's there's no intent to have uh outdoor
seating out uh you know tables outside. >> Yeah. This was an older photo >> with that photo. I'm sorry. with that photo. There's tables and chairs there. >> Yeah, it was an older photo and we were just using it to illustrate that there's no change in the signage. This is this
is going back a while. This picture, it was just the the clearest picture I could have without a truck or anything in the way. So, that's what I used. >> Does that Does that outdate the uh the photo uh on Google that has you know a round table that's seated out there?
>> Um it might. It might. It depends on which date of Google you used. Yeah. I don't know. >> Yeah. >> So, uh, so basically what you're saying is there's no outdoor seating. >> That's what uh the intention of the owner is. There is not any outdoor seating.
>> Um, any tables or chairs or stools proposed inside? >> No, there are not. >> Okay. All right. And then you would need a uh a sign package to be submitted uh for the signage. Um, again, it's we're not changing the
structure, the size, the location of any of the signage, just the graphics. >> Yeah. Still still need a uh assign packet. >> Got it. Understood. >> Okay, that's all I have.
>> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Deepkin. Uh, let's go to the council. Um, we'll go in reverse order this time, Mr. Given. Uh yeah, if you could just go back to the uh interior. Okay. So, I'm looking at the the right
side, I guess. All the blank space kind of where you where the >> Yeah. So, that's all that's all where the consumer would be coming through >> through this door right here. Yep. >> Okay. And I see a counter on the right side. So, you're saying that there will not be any stools, chairs, anything for
that. >> That's a coffee station. That's where the coffee will be. >> Okay. So, you're getting your creamer and whatnot in in that spot. >> That is exactly right. >> Okay. And then that door, I guess, next to number seven. So, that's Yeah, that's exterior. The other door is for the
>> Yes. >> Yeah. >> That's for the That's to get to the work area behind. Yep. >> Okay. So, all that other area is all for the workers. >> That's right here. >> Okay. Um All right. All right. So, there's no seating proposed whatsoever
in that. >> None. >> Okay. And then I assume between those two sets of doors, I guess that's like a soda machine, >> like a a refrigerator. >> The number sevens. >> No. No. Go back. Yep. Right there. >> Those are just storage closets that are there now that that we're going to
remain. >> Okay. >> Well, that that's actually the gas the gas, the electric, and the water tieins. >> Okay. So, is there going to be like a a soda counter, like a a soda fridge or something like that in there? >> Soda fridge is number seven probably.
>> Number seven over a little bit. >> Okay. Beverage fridge. >> Y >> um All right. I think that's the questions I had for now. Thanks. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Given. Um Miss Leavine, >> I think you're on mute. Yeah, I'm I'm
good. No, no questions at this time. Everything's pretty straightforward so far. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Salva. >> Uh, no questions either. Thank you very much. >> Uh, Councilman Glass, >> I don't have any questions. Thank you.
>> Okay, Mr. Chenigo, >> nothing for me today. Thank you. >> Hey, Mr. Feifer. Uh yeah, I have uh two quick ones I think. Um I I have gone by that location many many
times and I do remember that there is some sort of bench or table outside of the laundry service. Will that uh be usable or uh you know is it anticipated that that will be
available to the bagel customers? So, you can't really see it. I don't see it on this photograph, but I do recall that there is some kind of bench or or table type of structure um in in front of the laundry service. Am I
>> Am I right about that? >> Hi, Miss May I answer this please? >> Yes, Paul, please. >> How are you, Mr. Feffr? >> Hi, good. >> Um, >> good as well. Uh so that is just uh you know when people do their laundry they sit out there you know it's a welcoming
area. Um and that's really what it was. When people do their laundromat they're going to sit there the the there's those vertical stone walls. They're called seat walls you know. So back in the day when it was a little bit busier uh people would enjoy out there um waiting
for their laundry. Um but that as far as I'm concerned could be removed. It's just a It's just a pre-cast concrete that we had from a old park that we built way back when. It was just a perfect spot for it. But um the uh the
bagel there's just you know there's there's no plans I don't think for he'll testify that. >> Okay. where these coins are. >> The only concern that underlies my question is that customers from the bagel shop will go and sit out there and
then that will create trash, papers, napkins, you know, >> we'll remove it. >> Yeah. Okay. Um the other question I had had to do with the larger parking area. Um, to tell you the truth, I go by there
a lot and I I never even realized that that parking area exists. So, I'm wondering if there's if your plan is to have any kind of signage uh for the bagel customers to know that there's this additional parking on the
side of the building. >> Mr. F, do you mean on the north side? Uh yes. No, the the uh where you have six. Yeah, >> right. Those spaces are a little bit hidden if you're coming down if you're coming south on Kindic Mac Road. And so
I mean this is just a business decision on your part whether to have signage. But if you are going to have signage, then I think that triggers, you know, certain regulatory requirements. And I think that's the problem because when when you look, you can see the
county right of way uh is the uh or the property line is actually the dark line. So So there's no place really to uh uh to put the signage. I think that uh you know, as part of uh Mr. Nurell's opening, etc. He'll have to, you know,
educate his consumer uh for those that do pull into uh you know, to park in that location. >> Okay. Yeah. I mean, it was just a question of whether a sign or signage was anticipated as part of this application, but if not, >> not at this point. No,
>> that's fine. Okay. Uh, and I have no other questions. So, thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Feffer. Uh, Miss Bulland. >> Um, yes, I do have a few. Um, when do you think when do you anticipate garbage
pickup? Uh, as far as accessing the dumpster, if it's busy and there's park people parking there, you will not be able to access that dumpster. >> That's that's a question from Mr. Nurell. So, when he testifies, we'll have him cover that if that's all right. >> Yeah. And then the other question is
just it with the new use, I don't know if it triggers a requirement for ADA space or not. Uh, that might be a question for the engineer. >> Okay. because there's um the two the two memos have uh well actually Mr. Mr.
Baron says he's not sure whether it does or it doesn't and uh Mr. Costa did indicate that there should be a uh a handicap space. I think we've had this discussion before and I think unless there's new construction it's not required but I'm not an
architect. I'm not an engineer. Uh but that's my recollection of uh previous applications and testimony that was given. Okay, that's it for me. >> Okay. Uh, Mr. Coster, Mr. Barnes, do you
have any input on that? Whether >> I think it's definitely how we chairman, it's definitely how we treated in the past. If there's no site improvements, if there's no building improvements, I don't think it's going to uh trigger anything on the exterior. >> So, I don't think they would need um
even EV spaces or or ADA at this point. whatever exists I believe would would remain. >> Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Um, Mayor Pepo. >> Yeah. A couple of questions. Um, I want to first say that, uh, like Miss Bolan,
I'm concerned about the garbage pickup. Um, so I'll be glad to hear testimony that because it looked like that on the day or if garbage pickup is during uh operation hours that would take you from 10 spaces to eight spaces also. Um, so
I'd like to hear a little bit about that. And uh um second uh in the parking lot um I'm I'm only looking at Google because it didn't dawn on me to look for it uh earlier today, but um is the
current um south parking lot uh the one that's hidden from from southbound traffic with the six spots. Is it currently striped? because it isn't in the 2002 Google um
Google maps. >> I could answer that. Mayor, how are you? Um >> good. Good. >> It is it it good. Thank you. It is striped. Uh it's just very faded. >> So >> there is existing striped lines there. >> Okay. I I might suggest that it's it'd
be a good idea to to >> repaint them. Absolutely. No question about it. >> You would be able to maintain the 10 spots because that's my concern. It's a pre-existing, so uh I get that, but uh you want to make sure that all six I have another parking question. I don't
know if it'd be answered now or later, but um since the laundry mat people would be coming and staying for an hour or two, is this sufficient um parking uh for the bagel? and maybe some testimony
on that because um if you have two or three people uh getting their laundry doing using laundry mat well now your spaces go from 10 to seven or even less if there's garbage pickup. So maybe some testimony on that in the future. Uh can
we go back to the inside um please? >> Can I just answer the garbage real quick? in the past. >> We have um Mondays and Thursday pickups 5 a.m. They do uh 55 kinamac they do the rear of 70 grand and they also do let it
grows. So they're they're uh they won't inhibiting any parking. They're they're done before opening. >> That's very reassuring. Thank you for that. >> Yeah. >> Um so if we could go inside to the proposed conditions. >> Now this is a question I have. I don't
know the answer to it, but is it required to have a bathroom availability in a bagel shop? In other words, if if you're providing food, is a bathroom required? And if so, um I don't would you be walking the customers
through the uh baking area or would you be requiring them to go to the laundry mat? And is the laundry mat hour all the same? I don't know if a bathroom is required at a restaurant, but I've always seen it, so I just assume that it is. >> Yeah. So, not not when it's not an
eating and drinking establishment where there's no eating and drinking on the premise. >> Okay. So, if there's no eating and drinking, then then the bathroom is no longer required. >> Correct. >> That's good to know. Um the uh I guess
there's going to be a hood uh somewhere to exhaust uh the smells of the bakery is >> correct. >> And any uh are you doing like scrambled eggs or things like that? Are you doing like bagel with scrambled eggs and cream cheese and stuff like that?
>> You can the owner can testify to some of that of the food preparation, but yes, there will be a hood and an exhaust with a filter. >> I was going to ask about that filter. Is that filter simply for uh exhaust or for exhaust and smell? >> And smell. All exhaust and smell.
>> Excellent. I was concerned about that. And those are all the questions I have right now. >> Thank you, mayor. Um I is there going to be someone future or
later testimony, Mr. Barrett around the uh calculations for the required parking or is that something we address with the architect? >> No, I mean I think I think Mr. Costa's uh has well both Mr. Barrens and Mr. Costa
had some information regarding that. We did not do an independent calculation uh in in you know in light of the fact that the uses were approved uh previously uh it was you know to retail uses. I mean this is really a retail
use. It's not a restaurant. So the variances that were granted in 1993 probably apply in this instance. Um because again it's it's uh you know it is essentially a retail store. They
required to have a food handlers license. They are going to create the product on site but again they're selling it. It's not it's not for on-site consumption. Um so as a result I think that the uh the variance that was granted in 93 would carry over because
we have essentially two retail uses. >> Okay. Well, I I guess I'm trying to just understand that. I mean, if I look at the uh uh the Coast Engineering uh report, um you know, the the the new um 1145
square foot area needs eight parking spaces, right? And there's a total of 10. So, doesn't that doesn't the fact that you're putting those eight uh for the for the new bagel uh store create a deficit for the uh laundromat?
>> Well, again, the the property was granted a variance in 1993 uh to provide nine parking spaces. There are actually 10 now and it was for two retail uses. though that variance carries uh notwithstanding the uh change
in use because it continues to be retail. >> Okay. So it's an existing nonconforming condition is that >> well right uh on which or yeah and and the variance uh was granted in 93 with
the same space uh the same uses essentially uh and that was you know that was the uh the outcome of the hearings back then. Okay. >> Okay. I understand the position. Thank you.
Um, okay. You had uh other presentation you wanted to make. >> Yes. I'd like to call upon the uh proposed operator of the bagel store. >> Okay. Please do. Miss uh >> I'm just going to ask
uh Mr. Fleti to stop sharing briefly. >> Oh, sure, sure, sure. So, >> I can see everyone. He may >> He may want to reference some drawings here, but you let me know. >> Thank you. Thanks. All right, Mr. Mr. Nurell, if you please raise your right hand.
>> Let him let him unmute first. >> Okay, >> there you go. >> Please raise right. Oh, same signal. All right. I think I froze, but >> Well, we're hearing you. >> I might be back. >> No, you didn't. I can see you.
>> Okay. Everyone else was frozen. If you please raise right hand, do you swear affirm the testimony that you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. >> Yes. >> All right. And please state your name and address for the record. >> Kenneth Norell, 27 Landmark Lane,
Failon, New Jersey, 07410. >> Thank you. No, Mr. Reel, what how you going to use the space? >> I'm going to use the space as a bagel shop. Um, retail bagel shop. Um, no eat in, no dining, anything like that. Just
come and go. >> Okay. And, uh, how many how many employees do you propose to have? >> Eight on any given day. um 4 to start about 4:00 a.m. to prepare for opening which will be around 5:00 and then uh
about 6:00 two more and then about 7:00 two more for closing which we will be closing around 2:30 door every doors will be shut around 2:30 but everything will be finished by 3 clean up and everything like that >> and um
you and I have discussed how for those employees who do drive where are they going to where are they going to park? Uh there's a parking lot across the street where the train is at and I'mma get um permits for all employees that drive myself and all employees.
>> And did you investigate on on street parking on Aerson Street? >> Yes, up until 9:00 during the week and on the weekend you can park all day all day long. >> Okay. Um now what what about deliveries? How how
are supplies going to be delivered? Uh probably the flour um that we need um it would be one delivery on the weekends probably Saturday and most of the stuff I can get myself through with my vehicles like through Costos and BJs and things like that. So uh it's only going to be one major delivery a week.
>> And what do you have any idea what kind of truck they use to deliver the flower? >> Um I can't name the size of the truck, but it's not a very large truck. It's like maybe a little bit bigger than a van. >> So like a box truck, >> something like that. Yes. Okay. It's not not a tractor trailer.
>> No. No way. >> Okay. Um Oh, what? So, you already testified to the hours of operation. 5 until 2:30, you say? >> Yes. >> Okay.
Uh, okay. We've already had testimony from Mr. Inado as to the garbage pickup that uh and you understand that that they come generally come twice a week. >> They come Monday and Thursday um at 5:00 a.m. and we'll make provisions to make
sure they can pick up and at 5:00 a.m. we just open it up so it won't be many um customers there at that time. And also um I guess Mr. and Barado can also testify that we have agreed um during my hours of operation his his business is
mainly going to be commercial. So after I close down that's when he will start his retail park. So most of the parking or all of the parking will be for the bagel shop during the my hours of operations.
>> Okay. the um now if if the uh if the need for additional garbage removal is required, you'd be willing to provide that >> on the same conditions, you know, again, five o'clock in the morning so that it doesn't interfere with the business, etc. >> Yes, of course.
>> Okay. Um see if I have anything else. I would also like to state um a lot of the customers during that time in the morning is for the train. So it'll be transit and I'm also going to deliver across to the um transit area. So that would eliminate people coming into the
shop and driving and have to drive and park and then go over to transit. So it'll be delivery over there. So >> So how are they going to how are they going to place their orders? um I'll have on my website or QR code or call in and hopefully that'll be a good thing so they can call in and have the
um orders prepared so when they pull up to the train um we will be there delivering it to them. >> Okay. And um do do you do any investigation uh with the burrow of the um you know
number of accidents or traffic in that area? Yes, I spoke to the police department and they referred me to Oprah and they um gave me a paper that I gave to you. I guess you submitted it that um there have no been been no pedestrian accidents at all. Over the past 3 years,
there's been maybe one or two vehicle accidents, but that's just um had nothing to do with um the laundromat or um pedestrians or anything like that. >> Okay. Um >> could you could you go into a little
more detail perhaps on the on the uh oh you're going to do other deliveries as well besides >> Yes. Um I'll have um a website where I I deliver outside to the businesses around and to um locals. Um so I will be doing
deliveries um alone myself and then as the business um picks up then I'll add on a couple of the other delivery services. I see. Okay. Uh I don't think I have anything else at
this time for Mr. Nurell. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Barrett. Um >> okay. Um >> yeah, most of my most of my questions were answered. Um so just to confirm about the delivery vehicles. Um, would
those be commercially marked or like just a regular passenger vehicle or van or something like that? >> You mean my delivery vehicles? >> Correct. >> Um, well, I have to go through the insurance, so it probably be commercial. I'm not exactly sure if I could do um keep it on my um personal insurance, but
I'll have to investigate that one. >> All right. The the comment just pertains to um the overnight parking of commercial vehicles. I think that technically requires a var. So, if you're bringing it at home, if you're bringing it to home overnight, then it's an odd issue. But if you're going to keep it parked somewhere, that that
might >> No, because it's one like I have a few vehicles and I was going to use one of those and I was just going to transition the insurance over to commercial if I needed to do that. But if I don't need to do that, I will bring be bring it home. >> Got it. U Okay. And um with respect to
the permit parking, so I believe the lot across the street is actually an NJ Transitowned parking facility. Have you uh ensured with them that there is availability for that. >> Yes, I called them and asked them how many um parking permits I can get um for
one um account and they told me at least five. So um I would get five automatically and every employee that has a vehicle, I would um have them get a a permit themselves and of course I would pay for it out of um the company's budget. >> All right. So there's enough there for
what you need. >> Yes. like about three to 400 um parking spaces over there. >> Got it. Um just going through my list of questions here. Bear with me. >> That's all I have. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Barren. Mr. Ka, any
questions for Mr. Nurell? just River Edge also has a a parking lot down by the train station >> a little further walk. >> We do. It fronts uh what? Hackinac, I think. >> Hack on the other side of the tracks.
>> Yes. >> Y >> and then Mr. Nurell, I see the gym equipment in the background. So, a walk, a further walk, I'm sure it wouldn't bother you at all. >> No, not at all. I try to work out as often as possible. >> Thank you. No, that that's that's all.
Thank you. >> Okay, Mr. Deppkin, any questions? >> Uh, nothing at this time, Chim. Okay, let's go to the board. Mayor, do you have any concerns, issues, questions? >> I do. I do. Um, so I'm wondering if we
could have some testimony on how the food is going to be going from the store to the train station platform. Is that going to be a vehicle or is that going to be someone crossing the street? And if it's going to be a vehicle, is that vehicle going to be parked in one of the
10 spaces? And if so, that's a reduction in spaces. And um so there really won't be 10 spaces for customers. There will be nine. And we can have some comment on that. >> Well, there's not going to be a vehicle
delivery across the street. Um I I'm aware of the um traffic conditions. So myself or any employee that will be delivering will walk down to um I forgot the name of the street but to the traffic light. >> Grand Avenue and cross the street properly and take it over to um the
parking lot. So it won't be no vehicle delivery. It'll be um foot traffic. >> Okay. I think that uh covers my questions and um I'm good. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, Mayor. Uh, Miss Bowen, >> no questions.
>> Okay, Mr. He's not here. Mr. Feffer, >> nothing from me. Thank you. >> Okay, Mr. Mr. Chen Kigo. >> Uh, yeah, just a couple of things. I'm just uh again, I know you just answered it. Uh, and I appreciate that they'll be
delivering by foot. Uh, I I I just worry about a delivery person saying, "Oh, I can just run across the street." Because it's directly across. It's very simple. I'm looking at a map, an overhead map on Google of of the area. So, I just really
hope that you guys do stick to that going to Grand Avenue. >> Uh if if I don't mind, if you don't mind, um I'm definitely going to stick to that. I already bought vest and everything with um my logo on it. Um so, to make sure and all employees will know not to do that because I don't want any
type of issues or problems or pedestrians getting hurt because I know people do what they want. Well, I'm I take that train every day, so I look forward to it and I appreciate you. >> Hopefully, you'll be a customer. >> Yeah, absolutely. But, uh the the the second thing that concerns me a little bit is I know that uh the lots even in
in the dead days of August are mostly full. Uh the rear lot so much in August, but come September 1st, it's going to be packed. So, I'm not sure that you have five spots available. Uh did you speak to somebody at Park America or New Jersey? >> Yes, I did. called Park America and they
told me um all I got to do I can get five um permits and um just mail it into them and they'll send the five permits and I understand that it's two different areas, one behind the track and one in front and the one behind the track. I went over there a few times just to investigate and that one is mainly it's
not that crowded in in the back. So that's where I would park my vehicles and um my employees would park their vehicles to keep away because I want the customers to have the convenience, not me. >> Well, I'll tell I'll tell you this. I park uh there every day in the rear lot because by the time I go to the train uh
at 8 in the morning, the front lot is completely packed and there's no parking in the front lot. The rear lot does get packed and when there is snow, most of those spots on the sides disappear. >> Um so I I I find it odd because from what I hear, there aren't available
spots. Even though you have the availability of up to five spots, doesn't mean that the spots are available. They'll sell them if they're available. So I have concerns about that. I don't believe that the the spots are really available. Maybe they are, but >> what do you think about 500 am though at 5:00 am?
>> Well, what I think is that the people who buy the spots may not go at 5:00 a.m. So, yes, the spots may be there at 5:00 a.m. What I'm saying is they may not be available for purchase. I have friends who have been on a waiting list for purchase and spots in that area. So even though it may look that it's empty,
it may be people who are commuting three days a week who bought the spot for five days a week because you don't have choice as to how many days a week you buy the spot. >> Well, what they do, >> fact, I don't I don't want to argue about this. All I'm saying is it raises concerns and flags in my head. Uh because I know how that lot is because
I'm I've been commuting in that lot for the past 20 years every single day. So, >> okay. what what I did when I called them um they told me it's like um I think it's every quarterly that you have to pay and the first payment for the first quarter is September and they said as long as I send the payment in by then I
will have the five spots. So I did investigate I did talk to them to make sure that >> that's if you that's if you have a quarterly spot correct I have a year but they said I pay I pay once at the beginning of the year so I said I could buy other people do that as well. Okay. >> They were saying I could buy quarterly or more but I would buy it yearly. Um,
so I could pay for what I want, but if I only want it quarterly, then I could do quarterly. But if I can go if I want more, I make the full payment and keep it yearly. >> I think we're discussing two different things here. So again, I don't know that there's available spots, even though they do sell up to five spots per
households, for example. Do you understand the difference? >> So I'm not sure there are available spots, but there may be available. >> It's the concern of mine, that's all. >> Okay. especially because we're talking about all these limited parking spots. >> Okay.
>> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Piggo. Um, Councilman, >> I do have a question. It's actually for Mr. Debkin just um because I'm not sure how the ordinance reads. I noticed um on
one of the storefront windows there is signage or lettering um and I was wondering if Mr. Deppkin could just remind us about what the requirements are if um the bagel shop is
planning on adding lettering or any type of signage to their storefront window. if there's any restrictions there that they just need to be made aware of or similar. Sorry if I'm putting you on the spot. I I'm guessing you have that on the top of
off off your >> That's okay. That's okay. >> 20% is allowed uh in the window for any type of signage. You can't you can't cover a a door. Um you can put some lettering in there, but you have to be able to see through the
door as you're going in or out. But it's 20% uh per window space. You can't total um you know all your signage onto one window area. Uh but it's 20% per uh
window pane or or area separate area. >> Terrific. Thank you just for awareness. Appreciate it. >> Okay. >> I have no further questions. >> Okay. Thank you, Councilman. Uh Mr. Given. >> Uh no, I don't have any questions right now. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh Mr. Salva.
>> Uh, no questions. Thank you. >> You and Miss Lavine. >> Uh, none at this time. >> Okay. Um, I have one question, Mr. Monell. Assuming that the worst happens and that the parking over at the lot
does not work out as expected. um any contingency, any alternate uh solutions that you're aware of they might be able to take or you know obviously you need to make the commitment that it's not going to default to okay well we couldn't get the spaces so we'll have to
use some of our parking spots. >> Okay. Well um I myself I wouldn't even bring my vehicle. I can get dropped off. My wife can drop me off or my daughter can drop me off. So my vehicle um would be eliminated completely. the only vehicle if it was an issue with the
parking um uh lot which um I don't see because I like I said I spoke to them. Um but if it was an issue the only car that would be parked there would be the delivery car. Um other than that I would speak to my employees and they would have to make other arrangements to um
come to work. >> Okay. Um, any other comments or questions from the board or professionals? >> Just getting very hungry with all this talk about bagels. That's mine. >> Well, I will deliver. So, wherever you
>> Thank you. >> Will you deliver tonight? >> Uh, Miss San, I guess we should uh open to the public. Is there anyone? >> Um, yeah. if Mr. Barrett doesn't have any other witnesses. >> I don't
>> let me just check. There are no other members of the public um present. So, there being none, we can move move on. >> That be can I get a motion for the uh >> just Mr. Chairman, I just have a
question for our professionals if you don't mind. >> Sure. Um, I'm not sure who best to answer this, but it was testified that this is a retail use. Um, do our professionals agree that this is a retail use?
So based on the prior approval, um the variance for the parking would remain and there was testimony that there is no there's not going to be any eatin um dining in service at the restaurant or
at the bagel shop and they wouldn't be able to because they don't have um the restroom accessibility. Um, so based on that, it would be my opinion is that it would be more similar to like the
7-Eleven. Um, where it's like a retail even though that you can get made to order things, the parking would would be based on whatever the prior approval was. >> Okay. So, so you would agree that this
would be a retail space and the parking would be sufficient for the parking variances that were given in 93 should apply here. This would be considered a same use. We're not So, we should not be looking at this as a McDonald's or a, you know, a pizza shop
that they're eating inside, right? That's >> that's my understanding and that was the representations that were made by the applicant. And if they change their operations to have stools or have people sitting outside or anything like that, then um I think that would trigger
return to the board um >> for further review >> and I don't know if Mr. Barrett agrees. >> I do if if that were to occur. >> Yeah. And >> Mr. Cost, I believe that's the way you laid out the option in your engineering
report as well, isn't it? you're asking >> went in and out and I apologize >> but again there's two things yeah does it carry forward obviously if it's retail Marina seems to think so but then you need the practical um if it is
successful you've heard testimony there's 10 spots there's parking after 10 um I don't go to the train station. So, I can't uh I can't weigh in on that whether there are spaces there or not. Um I don't know as far as the River Edge
lot whether or not there's any spaces available there. So, we'd have to find that out tomorrow. >> Right. Um but but as far as the the application of this as a retail space and the continuation of the prior
variance that was awarded you're in agreement with that I would say based based on that I would say yes even though it is a food use but I would say uh yes. I don't think we heard test. Is it just bagels in and out coffee see you later or
>> just bagels in and out. Um, >> no, no grill. No, no grill. No, nothing like that. >> I got to, you know, cook eggs, sandwiches, things like that. But >> it's going to be quick. It'll be quick in and out. >> Okay. >> No one sitting down, no chairs, no
nothing. And that thing um that's outside that um Paul and Brad spoke about um that will be removed. So, it won't be any reason to sit there or stand there or anything like that. they will come get their um product and um they would leave.
>> Okay. >> I mean that's the testimony. Obviously if it changes or obviously if anything changes if there you know if it becomes people sitting outside eating so on and so forth you'd have to return to the board. That would be my opinion. >> That would be um strictly prohibited. I
would even put signage if it's necessary to make sure that they understand that there's no lingering around no lording or anything like that. And like I said, I make it uh easy for the commuters where I will um deliver across to the um the lot and do other deliveries to the
businesses around and to the public. So to make sure nobody sits around in the um restaurant and make sure there's no chairs, no stools or anything like that. >> Okay, >> wonderful. >> Thank you. >> Okay, any other questions or comments?
No. Okay, that being the case, can I get a motion on the application for varants for 55 Kendrick Road, KCK Bagel Shop? >> I I can make the motion. Um, so make the motion for block I believe if this is
correct, block 208, lot 12. Is that accurate? >> 14. >> Block 1413, lot five. >> Okay. Um, so lot block five, lot 1314. Did I say that correct? >> Block 1413, lot five.
>> 1413. Okay. Um, for the KC K bagel shop for uh food handler's license. Um, stipulating that there would be no indoor or outdoor seating. Um, and what other provisions did we have in there, Miss Denley? So, just to clarify,
it's um site plan approval for retail food establishment. That was just the change of vernacular that the county requested us to um continue with. But um the conditions were that
um the applicant would pro or the owner would provide confirmation or certificates of approval regarding the health um and environmental cleanup from the prior dry cleaning use that
um the applicant would submit a signage packet to the burrow. The outdoor seating area would be removed. The parking lot area would be repainted for
striping purposes. Um, no indoor dining or inservice eating would occur on premises. There would be no commercial vehicles parked overnight on the
property. And if operations change, then that would trigger a return to the board or burrow for additional approvals. >> Can we also add that that our understanding is that none of the um bagel shop employees will park their
vehicles on the premises? >> Yes. And was was there a condition that uh we would do screening for the new mechanicals if needed >> or >> I don't think that was >> I it sounded like it it wasn't necessary
based on the testimony as far as the location. I I mean I'll defer to the applicant whether or not >> I guess the question is if necessary would you >> I believe they were only talking about adding some fans uh for the
for the new bagel machines and whatnot. Um >> would the applicant be willing to work with uh the burrow and screen that if necessary if it's visible from the the sidewalks on the street? Yes.
>> Excuse. I'd just like to testify. It's a parapit uh going around the three sides. So, the only side that is open, it would be on the uh I guess that's the western side. So, the the only ones looking at those fans would be the same people that
have been looking at those air conditioning units for many years. So, I don't think they're going to notice >> uh some fans, but there's power pitch. You can't see it's very hard to see anything from the store from uh driving down Kikak right now because there is
like I said there's a three-foot par. >> Yeah. So my motion would include all of those stipulations mentioned. >> Okay. Uh do we have a second? >> Second. >> Thank you. Again I didn't see who that was.
>> Is that Mr. Feffer? >> Okay. Thank you Mr. Yes. >> I guess this is a roll call vote. >> Yes. Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. >> Yes. >> Ms. Boland. >> Yes. >> Mr. Cray.
>> Yes. >> Mr. Kigo. >> Yes. >> Mr. Feffer. >> Yes. >> Mr. Gibbons. >> Yes. >> Uh, Councilman Glass. >> Yes. >> Mr. Sava. >> Yes.
and Miss Lavine. >> Yes. >> Okay, the motion passes. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you guys. Have a nice Labor Day weekend. >> Thank you very much. >> Good luck, Ken. >> Thank you. >> Congrats. >> Thank you. >> Thank you everybody.
>> Thank you guys. >> Hey, thank you all. And now I guess the council we can move on to our next order of business with the discussion of the uh HVAC ordinance
and changes concerns on that. Um I was not present for the prior conf. I'm not sure how far we got with it or what the uh goal for tonight is finally if you could kind of bring me up to speed on it.
>> Yes. So, at the prior at the last meeting, there was an application that included an um an HBAC ground mounted air conditioning unit um and it was to be
placed only um like about half a foot away from the dwelling. The current ordinance requires accessory structures to be f at least five feet away from a single family dwelling and
for the purposes of setbacks HVAC equipment is included as an accessory um structure. Um it was raised that that can c having a five having the air air conditioning
unit 5t away from the house can create its own problems. Sure. >> Um trying to keep maintenance and issues um arising from from that. So I think there wanted there a discussion was
needed or requested on what the board wanted to do about that. >> So currently then the zoning requirement would be that it has to be kept 5T off the main structure. >> That was my understanding.
>> Mr. Chairman, may I? >> Yes, please. >> So, Mr. Devkin, if I remember right, uh brought this up and was concerned about this and I had said that the council would be interested um would be willing to consider a correction to our um
ordinances. So, maybe if we asked Mr. Dumpkin to speak to this and what he would recommend, this body could then consider it and recommend it to the council. >> Okay, Mr. Debkin, you're on. >> Okay. Thank you. Uh, did everyone
receive the um the document that I sent? >> Generators, yard ground mounted. >> No, >> I did not. Well, if I did, I didn't notice. I didn't get see it. No, >> I never received it. >> I don't believe I got anything. >> Yeah, I don't remember seeing it, but
I'm double checking. >> I did not. Okay. Um well, maybe maybe I I'll send it tomorrow. Uh I thought I did. Um basically the fact that if you're having your air conditioners away, I I think
maybe the intent was it can't be any further than five feet away. Um mo most generators are against the building. Uh you just need enough area for um servicing. Um and the same with
the generators. Uh the generators, you know, give off more um more noise uh when they go into test modes. Um and I think the fact that they should what I did state is do not ex the generate I'm
sorry, the air conditioners uh do not extend more than four feet uh into the sideyard or rear yard. um and need to be uh at least seven feet away from uh the property line. That's that's what I we
have in the other municipality. Um the fact that your sideyards are a little bit smaller um I I think you would want to tweak that a little bit um and maybe have a discussion on on that. But as far as the generators uh are concerned, I I
would highly recommend that they're uh close to the to the uh to the to the structure. Um and if you want to put a you know a an amount um as far as it can go, then um we can we can do so. The same with
generators. Um there's requirements uh in regards to generators and in regards to uh how close they can be to combustible materials. So uh that that's it goes a lot of times by the installation guide of the generator
itself. Uh but a norm is like 3 feet somewhere in that area. You don't want it to go uh further into the into the sideyard or rear yard because then you're presenting a you know a noise uh
element to say a neighbor. Um so you want to uh sort of give that some consideration. Um I I think that uh you know the decibel level keep that at a level of 72. Um, and that's normally
what the um, residential generators tend to be. Uh, you want to do a test mode uh, cycle. Uh, they can be put on a timer um, and have them uh, you know, timed off uh, you know, say Monday
through Friday between 9 and 6 p.m. something on that order. Um, so it doesn't go off early in the morning or later in the evening. Um but that uh that basically is the uh is the u gist of the um document that I
u I thought I submitted but I can do I can do that uh I can do that tomorrow. >> So Mr. Craig may I may I um offer a suggestion? >> Sure. >> So Mr. Jumpkin, uh, if you can cut and paste to the webinar chat, you can put
in the language that you were suggesting from the memo that we didn't get for whatever reason, uh, so that the body could consider consider it as either a whole or part and uh, and then I think discussion and debate would be more
fruitful. Are you capable of doing that? >> Uh, at this time, no. >> Okay. Then another suggestion I might have, Mr. Dempkin, if you just go through uh each of your recommendations and the body opines upon each of your recommendations
uh which would be a revision of our current uh ordinance. If not, then I guess the body can discuss it, but not very fruitfully. It would be >> okay. I I can I can read it off. Um, so under uh section 416-13
yard regulations andor 416 uh-13 accessory building and structures. Um, I have groundmounted air conditioners shall be located in the rear or sideyard of a main building or structure only and provide further that
they do not extend more than four I put a question mark four feet again. uh the fact that uh the sideyards are smaller than I think you want to um you know choose you know the uh the
amount uh into a side or rear yard and no closer than 7 feet to a property line any existing loca uh unit located in the front yard may be replaced at its current location provided that the
ground mounted unit is screened by mature shrubbery and roof rooftop air conditioners mechanical units shall be screened from view. Um that was for the ground mounted air conditioners. >> How is that different from our current ordinance?
>> Very very similar. >> Okay, Mr. Craig, do you mind me u leading on this? I hope I'm not stepping on your toes. >> You want do you want me to read off generator also or >> No, I think Can I ask a question real quick? Just a a general question. Is
this something that needs to be done today for some timeliness? >> No. >> I I mean honestly I prefer to read this stuff and think about it and understand it and like doing it like >> you know listening to it like my brain is not processing it at this point. Like I'm not really I I can sit here and nod
for you guys if that's what you want, but I'd rather I'd rather just kind of read it and then we can actually talk about it seriously at the next >> meeting. I'd make a motion as a member of the body to uh carry this over to the next meeting. >> I second that.
>> Okay. >> Okay. >> And I will I will send this. I apologize. I thought I did have it as an attachment. Uh but I will uh I will send it out tomorrow. >> Yeah. Mr. Duncan, could you could you send out the current language as well as the changes you're recommending?
>> Yes. >> Okay. Mr. Cray, we didn't get a vote. Um, >> yeah. Well, we we had a motion and a second. All in favor? >> I >> Any oppose? Anyain? No. Then is carried over to the next
meeting. Um, that concludes everything on the agenda. Is there any other items that need to be >> I don't know what the protocol is, but maybe Mr. Deepkin wants to send it to Mr. Alter and he can distribute it.
Right. that that that's what I will do. >> Okay. Okay. >> Yes, I agree. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. There being no other business, I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. >> So moved.
>> Second. >> Second. All in favor? >> I I everyone everyone happy Labor Day. >> Good night. [Music]