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Part 1 (Video ID: 3nU1UMxEheY):
- 00:01:14: Meeting Call to Order, Roll Call, Prayer
- 00:02:43: Certificate of Recognition for Duke, Top Dog
- 00:06:29: Approval of Bills/Payrolls, Open Public Comment on Agenda
- 00:07:13: Public Comment #1: Social Media Policy Question
- 00:12:42: Public Comment #2: Social Media Clock and Policy
- 00:19:03: Acceptance of Reports, Ordinance 2858 Reading Begins
- 00:19:59: Public Comment #3: Ordinance 2858 and Parking
- 00:23:00: Close 2858 Hearing, Adoption, DOT Approval
- 00:24:36: Ordinances 2859 and 2860 Reading and Introduction
- 00:26:51: Routine Resolutions Consent Agenda Approval Process
- 00:28:37: Discussion and Tabling of Social Media Policy
- 00:35:23: Removal of Data Center Coordination Resolution
- 00:39:27: Reports of Council Committees, Announcements
- 00:55:34: Open Public Comment on any Subject, Mayor Report
- 00:55:59: Public Comment #4: Mayor Post About Improved Services
- 01:00:41: Public Comment #5: Realism Regarding Social Media Use
- 01:03:55: Public Comment #6: Anonymous Speaker on Free Speech


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This meeting is being held in accordance with the New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act. Annual notice of this meeting was published in the Union County local source and a Northstar ledger. said notice was posted in the municipal building and a copy is on file with the

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burl clerk. Fire exits to the directions I'm indicating. If you are alerted for a fire, please move in a calm, orderly manner to near smoke-free exit. Proper notice has been given. The burough clerk is directed to include this statement in

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the minutes of this meeting. Mr. Clerk, please call the role. >> Councilman Petroski >> here. >> Councilman Johnson, >> here. Councilman Robin will be absent. Councilwoman Lions >> here. >> Councilman Patel >> here. >> Councilman Castelins >> here. >> Mayor Sigello >> here. Have a quarum. Mayor. >> Mr. Clark, please lead us in the opening

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prayer followed by pledge of allegiance. >> Eternal God, grant us thy help and all our duties and perplexities. We ask for thy guidance. Give us thy protection in our dangers and sorrows. Grant us thy peace. Amen. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> There are no communications for review this evening. There are no excuse me um we have a

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certificate of recognition for Duke of Rosa Park, a Jersey top dog. >> Yay. the rescue. >> You're good. >> Go ahead. Sit. >> So, wow. >> I have to get closer.

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>> Zoom up. You're good. >> Hi. >> Hi, Duke. >> So, this is recognition for Duke of Rosa Park for being named one of the 18 New Jersey top dogs as part of a New Jersey

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top dogs contest run by the New Jersey Lottery. >> Okay, we're good. >> Lisha, you want to tell us a story how this all happened and about Duke? Come on, >> I will. Okay, so we saw the contest on social media. It said, "How would you like to have your dog on a New Jersey

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Lottery scratcher?" And I was like, "Oh my god, I would." So I entered the contest and there was like a twoe voting period. So I walked into school with all this stuff tucked under my arm and Mrs. Costa's like, "What's that?" And I'm like, "Oh, I'm trying to hide it." I'm like, "Oh, nothing, Miss Costa. We're

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just entering a little contest." She's like, "Let me see. Maybe the whole school could get behind it." And they did. All the kids in school got behind it. Every Friday night, the cheerleaders were doing votes, you know, vote for Duke at the Friday night football games. Someone's cousin helped me make signs to

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put all over town, like campaign signs, and people could scan the QR codes and vote for Duke. So, they voted like crazy for two weeks, and out of like 3,500 dogs, the top 50 on votes went to the next round. And then they picked 18 based on all this crazy criteria, like

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how New Jersey are they? How unique a breed are they? And then the 18 top dogs got on the top of the lottery ticket. And out of those dogs, I think almost half of them are rescue dogs. So, he's had a lot of fun. >> And now it says Rosel Park on the map. >> So,

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>> oh my god. Thank you, >> Duke. >> Duke. >> Smile. Duke >> is going to come over and see you one day. >> Thank you. We need a picture of you, too. You have to come up. >> Come on up. We need you in the picture, too. >> All right. Ready?

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Zuk, you don't want to stand up. You're good. >> Here we go. >> Go ahead. >> Sit, Dukie. Sit. >> Sit. Good boy. One, two, here. >> Nice.

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>> Got one. >> Yes. OH MY GOD. ALL THE WAY OVER. >> READY. >> NERVOUS. We'll take it home with us. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you.

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>> Thank you. Get your safari. Thank you. >> Oh, >> I'll take the mic. >> I got it. not >> there are no m there are no meeting

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minutes for approval this evening I have a motion that bills and payrolls be not read and pass for payment >> so move >> second >> all in favor I I >> I have a motion to open the public

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portion on agenda items only. >> So move >> second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> If you'd like to speak, please come forward to the microphone. State your name for the record. >> Hi. George Ramirez, 500 East Clay. Uh

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resolution 11826. What is the purpose of introducing this? >> This would be the social media policy. >> Sure. >> Sorry. I I'm the the burough attorney. Yep. >> I'll just speak to that. Every

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municipality in the state of New Jersey is recommended to have a social media policy. Um it's I believe it's it's something that's devised in conjunction with risk managers who represent municipalities to make sure that the rules and regulations regarding social

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media are clearly established and understood by employees, members of the public and so forth. So, it's a it's a common practice that if municipalities don't have one, I would say that they're they're they're not being responsible. So, it's nothing unusual or unique to

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Rosel Park. It's I would suspect practically every municipality is doing it. So, it's good that we're sort of keeping up with best practices to avoid potential liabilities by not having such a policy. >> All right. Well, I see here that you have on here something about uh deleting

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and banning members or banning people if they don't follow the guidelines that the burrow sets into place. Who is the one that's going to determine who gets banned and who gets deleted? Well, that's the purpose of having a policy is

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so that it's not ad hoc that there are specific rules that uh >> so who's going to do enforce those rules? >> That would be the administration and based upon the facts and I'm sure if there was an issue um they would consult with me. I happen to speak on this at

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the League of Municipalities every year um and have dealt with these issues uh quite extensively. So I would suggest to you if there was a problem it would be brought to the administrator's attention. The administrator if he felt it necessary would consult with me as legal counsel and a determination would

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be made if there is a violation of the policy. And >> so if he felt it necessary so he would be the one determining what needs further escalation or >> I mean the administration would do it. Exactly how that would take place is

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uncertain, but the burough administrator generally with the burough attorney would address these sort of issues should they happen to come up. >> So you don't there's no policy in place. >> Oh, that is a policy at the rules. You look at the behavior and you determine

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does the rules comply with the do the does the behavior comply with the rules and you make >> So in here you also have something about the uh any profile or any account that's made that

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uses or announces official burrow business is now ownership of the burrow. >> You'd have to point us to where you're speaking specifically. Well, you're the attorney for the uh for the policy, correct? Who wrote

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>> I I don't know the policy by heart. If you'd point me to a particular section, >> Stephen, it's the last paragraph. And this is for employees that if you create a burrow um you create a burrow social media account as part of your official

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business. It's burrow property. >> So the mayor has been posting official business from his page. So that's burough property. >> That's not that's not what that means. >> What does there is? And again I it's way beyond the scope of this discussion but

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>> well it says any social media account any social media account >> by a burrow employee official >> it is it is intended to refer to accounts that are made in furtherance of official business. There is a whole set

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of legal principles. I happen to have litigated the most important case in New Jersey on this subject that deal with the difference between a governmental account and a personal or a political account. Just because someone is a

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burrow employee or an elected official, they have every right to have a personal or political account and to run that as their own personal business. You may also have a governmental account which has to follow by these rules. If you

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have a personal account that is announcing burrow business, doesn't that make it a burrow account? >> I can't give you an answer to a legal hypothetical. You can read the case law if you like. Um, it's a very fact-sensitive question.

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>> Okay. Well, that's not hypothetical. I mean, that's what's happening here and that's what I see written here. So, I'm just asking for some clarification >> and I'm my my answer is that if it's a personal account, then it is a person's personal business. If it is a burrow account, then there are certain

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obligations that come with it being a burrow account. >> All right. Thank you. See, no one further may have a motion to close it. Oh, >> well, that is a very rude way to go about that. Um, and I didn't come here to be rude,

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but public comments was still open. Correct. >> On agenda items. >> On agenda items. Yeah. What What What page is that on the social media thing that the gentleman was just on? >> Page 19. All right. Where's my clock? Where's my

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clock? >> I have May I see it? Why do you have it for the purpose of purposes of transparency? Would it be a good idea that maybe the public can see their own time so it's not being policed? So maybe I have an

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idea of like how to gather my thoughts, how to give my opinions, and like how much time I have left. Do you think that would be in the general interest of the public to be able to see their own clock? >> It's not for me to say. >> No, it is for you to say. I'm asking you. I'm

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>> Would you would you think in the wildest world of your imaginations would it be in the best interest of the public to be able to view their own time? >> I've seen it done in various ways >> here. We have not done that. >> See, that's the thing.

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>> You can also keep track of your own time. You can put a phone. And if I had known there was no clock, I would have brought my own phone and I would have had my own time limit that I could look at because I couldn't rely on the township to do it for me. I couldn't rely on the township to have a clock to show me. So I would have I would have

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had my own phone and it would have kept track track because we can't rely on the township to do that, you know, and and m Mr. through the chair to Mr. Attorney, I don't know what hypothetical you're talking about. This is all this stuff with the social media stuff. This has already been settled.

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You know, if if you're representing yourself in your official capacity, that's a public forum. The Supreme Court has already decided on this. Linky versus Freed 2024. Radcliffe Oconor 2024 in New Jersey. Ronco versus Carterette.

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Yade versus Hamilton. This has already been decided. You guys can't police speech. You can't police content because then it's a viewpoint discrimination problem. Who's who like I would love to enlighten me please. Who who decided like were you guys at a table and you all decided that you were going to you

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know police speech like who came up with this? Like whose idea was it? Who thought that that would be a good idea for the public to play principal to to to adults to adults? If anybody thinks that's a good idea, please raise

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your hand now. I guarantee you tens of thousands of people are going to be watching this meeting. And if you're proud of your decision and you're proud of the way that you that you go about things, then please, by all means, police speech, police content, and what and the public can decide for

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themselves if they think that's a good idea for you guys to be policing speech, policing my time. Quite frankly, I can't even see my time. And you can't even give me an honest answer and say that it would be in the general interest, the best interest of the general public if we could see a clock. I mean, how much

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is everybody making on a salary and we don't have $10 on Amazon? I'll send you all the link. I will go home and I will email all of you the clock for $10 so the public can see how much time they have. How How transparent can a body possibly

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be when they're policing my time? I have no idea how. May I know? May May you tell me how much time I have left, dear sir? >> 2 minutes and 37 seconds. >> Why would I even have to ask? Isn't that nonsensical?

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A clock through the chair to councilman on the right. Do you think that would be in the best general interest of the public for transparency issues as we're talking about policing speech and policing things? Do you think it would be a good idea that we should have a clock? Yeah, it's an easy answer. I don't know why

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you have to give me the runaround. You know, do you think people buy that? Like they they they buy an answer like that. You're guarding my clock. Then you're going to guard our speech because you want to play principle with

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adults, taxpayers. As taxes keep going up, we pay more and more and more and get less and less services. And you want to police our speech when that's all we got at the end of the day. If we want to bicker on social media or whatever we want to do, let the people

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do it. They're hardworking people. All of this has already been decided. Your township policy is nonsense. I hope all of you vote with your heads and your hearts. If you believe in if

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you believe in having the administration decide, right? Because at this point, you even said, "Well, we don't know. Oh, we don't know who's going to be making these decisions. Well, that's quite comforting, isn't it? That's quite comforting. >> Certainly, that's certainly the intent of what you explained.

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You know, guys are not supposed to be policing speech. You're not supposed to be policing content. You what what's going to wind up happening is the township is going to be liable to have to pay out money for a lawsuit because Mr. Attorney can't explain to

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them the Supreme Court rulings. the New Jersey two the two rulings that I just gave you. Are you familiar, Mr. Attorney, with those two cases I just gave you? Ronco versus Carter and Yade versus Hamilton. >> Sir, I speak about them before 500 people every November at the League of Municipalities. I assure you that I am

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wellversed in the law in this area and I assure you that this policy is in compliance with that law. >> Well, if you care about giving information, what was that important case that you said? The most important case, you didn't you didn't say it to the public. >> Elber versus City of Hackinack. It's quite important to share information

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like that rather than just >> a question. I'll give you the answer. That's my >> Everything's very inconspicuous, isn't it? >> Just a question. I gave you an answer. >> I don't even know how much time I have left. >> 10 seconds. >> 10 seconds. Anybody think maybe we should get a clock?

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>> Yeah, it's a great suggestion and thank you for being giving an honest answer. I appreciate that. Seeing no one further, may I have a motion to close the public portion on agenda items only. >> So move >> second.

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>> All in favor? >> I >> I. >> The motion to accept the reports of department heads as submitted. >> So move. >> All in favor? You need a second? >> Second. >> Second. All >> in favor? I I

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Mr. Clerk, please read ordinance 2858 by title. >> Yes, mayor. Ordinance 2858 is an ordinance for second reading and public hearing. An ordinance amending chapter 7, section 14 of the code of the bur of Rosal Park intell parking prohibited uh at at all times on certain streets.

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Excuse me. >> May I have a motion to open the public hearing on ordinance 2858? >> So move Second. >> All in favor? >> I you >> like to speak about ordinance 2858. Please come forward to the microphone

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and state your name for the record. George Ramirez, 500 East Clay. Um, so in regards to this no parking on these designated streets, what about the other streets that are currently no parking for street

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sweeping? Are those laws or ordinance rules going to be enforced being that we don't have a street sweeper that comes down every week? Now, >> I mean, I I I can answer to the this ordinance doesn't pertain to that. I know what you're referring to, but I I

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don't know if that's a conversation to be had now because this ordinance only pertains to the um >> yeah, the the bolded part is that change. Uh and this was for a sign. >> This is I could I could >> this uh this right here particularly. Uh, and I was going to wait until

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discussion to say thank you, but this is uh uh right where post 60 is and it's very narrow for uh as it is for the guys to come out and there's blind spots. So, I wanted to thank Andrew and whoever else u helped uh draft this. The veterans was having problems uh driving

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out of that um that driveway and almost getting into accidents and stuff. So this I felt as though were mitigated because there were illegal cars parking blocking the view of oncoming traffic on Route 28. >> Okay. >> But I don't know about uh the other I I

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I didn't bring up um the the questions that you're asking is in regard to another matter that I have nothing to do with. I didn't put that on the agendas. >> So this came up because of the illegal parking. >> Yeah. This this particular is the bold that came up because uh where Post 60 is

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on 3 uh 34 East Westfield Avenue. They were having a hard time getting out because there's an apartment on the side and people were parking. >> Uh there's just like a small little narrow strip that you can't even really fit a car and it was blocking both driveways >> and probably people from the wing stop.

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Correct. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So is that parking garage is that open? Is there's no signage there? Nobody even knows that there's parking there for that wing stop which would alleviate this problem. >> Yeah. No, this particularly is only

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particularly for right by 34 East L. >> But I'm saying if people knew that there was parking in that parking garage, they wouldn't be illegally parking in front of the VFW. >> No. Well, uh because there's an apartment building right on the side and then I guess they would have guests come

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and those people everyone wants to park closer or close as possible. Um uh your questions regarding the parking deck uh does doesn't pertain to this and I have nothing to do with that. >> All right. Awesome. Thank you. >> Thank you.

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>> Seeing no one further may have a motion to close the public hearing on ordinance 2858. >> So move. >> Second. All in favor? >> I >> I have a motion to adopt 2858. >> So move. >> Second. >> Is there any discussion?

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>> Well, mayor, again, I just wanted to uh thank the governing body and and andrew for drafting this. Um I I feel as though that this will prevent a lot of uh accidents that were occurring by the post. Again, this particular ordinance

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is just a change specifically to that location. Uh the other things that are listed were already in place prior to me uh asking for those changes. Thank you. >> Mayor, could I just make a quick note? So the I just wanted to note for the governing body. So this was something that was raised several months ago as

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the councilman noted. Um and we did require uh it did require Department of Transportation approval. So we did receive that approval from the Department of Transportation. They allowed us to stripe the street um and uh put no parking signage in the area, which we did. And we also marked the

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area by the fire hydrant as well while we were over there. So, uh we do have approval from the Department of Transportation to adopt it. And uh this should allow for local enforcement of the parking uh the no parking zone. >> Any other discussion? Mr. Clark, please

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call the role. >> Councilman Petroski? >> Yes. >> Councilman Johnson? >> Yes. >> Councilwoman Lions? >> Yes. >> Councilman Patel? >> Yes. >> Councilman Castellins? >> Yes. >> By votes in the affirmative. Mayor, the ordinance is adopted. Mr. Clerk, please read ordinance 2859 by title.

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>> Yes, mayor. Ordinance 2859 is an ordinance for second reading and public hearing. An ordinance amending chapter 7, section 39, subsection two of the code of the Bur Rosal Park entitled handicap parking on streets for private residences. >> I have a motion to open a public hearing

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on ordinance 2859. >> So move. >> Second. >> All in favor? I I >> you like to speak about ordinance 2059, please come forward to the microphone. State your name for the record. >> Seeing no one further, I have a motion

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to close the public hearing on ordinance 2859. >> So move. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> I have a motion to adopt ordinance 2859. >> So move. >> Second. Is there any discussion?

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>> Mr. Clerk, please call the role. >> Councilman Petroski, yes. >> Councilman Johnson, yes. >> Councilwoman Lions, yes. >> Councilman Patel, >> yes. Councilman Castellins, >> yes. >> Five votes. Affirmative. Mayor, the ordinance is adopted. >> Mr. Clerk, please read ordinance 2860 by title.

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>> Yes, mayor. Ordinance 2860 is an ordinance for introduction, an ordinance amending chapter 40 of the code of the Bur Rosal Park entitled land use so as to explicitly prohibit data centers in all zone districts. >> I have a motion to approve ordinance 2860 for introduction and fix the date

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for second reading public hearing on June 18, 2026. >> So move. >> Second. >> Is there any discussion? >> Mr. Mayor, I just before the role the I just want to note for the governing body that the um the date of public hearing

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and adoption on this is a slightly delayed because this requires a review by the land use board and a master plan consistency review. So um most of the time our ordinances are heard at the following meeting, but this one will be heard at the next following meeting just for clarity. >> Thank you.

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>> Thank you. >> If it's approved. >> Councilman Petroski. >> Yes. >> Councilman Johnson. >> Yes. >> Councilwoman Lions. >> Yes. >> Councilman Patel. Yes. >> Councilman Castins. >> Yes. >> By votes in the affirmative. Mayor, the ordinance is introduced. >> All matters are listed with an asterct

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considered to be routine and non-controversial by the council and will be approved. >> It was in is only for introduction. The public hearing will be at the second meeting in June. All matters will be listed by Astrich and are considered to be routine and

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non-controversial by the council and will be approved by one motion. There will be no separate discussion for these items unless a member of the governor body shall request in which the case the item may be removed the consent agenda and be considered as normal sequence on

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the agenda as part of the general orders. Mr. Clerk, please read all resolutions by title. Yes, mayor. Resolution 11526 is authorizing the donation of one Duke EP304 Aero hot electric hot food table portable with

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four wells to American Legion Post 60. Resolution 11626 is approving a 5-year tax abatement for 322 Hemlock Street, block 811, lot 12 of the municipal tax map. Resolution 11726 is authorizing the treasur to issue one check totaling

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$1,796.666 66 payable to one lean holder on one property and one check totaling $1,000 from the tax collector's premium account. Resolution 11826 is establishing the social media policy of the Bur Rosel Park. And resolution 11926

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is amending resolution number 40225 to correct the name of the vendor for the project Aker Park Improvements. Do >> any members wish to have items removed from the consent agenda? >> Yes, mayor. Um 11826.

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Same >> 11826. >> Yes sir. >> I have to I have a motion to approve the resolutions remaining on the consent agenda. >> So move. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> I >> I need a motion on 11826.

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>> So move. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> No. No. >> Discussion. >> The discussion, please. >> Oh, yeah. Mayor. Um I think u actually agree Mr. Ramirez on on that last paragraph there. Um the way I I read it

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and I would like to I guess take a little more time to to look at it. I mean, as I read it in plain English, obviously not being an attorney, it does say a social media account created by a etc. official. So, if I create a social media account, then that becomes property of the bureau. I feel like that could be cleaned up a little bit. Even

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though you're right, that's not the intent. I'm sure of it. I think uh we could probably um iron that out a little bit better. Um so, for that reason, I'm asking that we not uh proceed with this as as it is presented tonight. Um respectfully, >> yes, Mayor, um I also had mixed feelings

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about this as well. Um um I was going to request uh us to table it as well because there's a lot of concerns. I want to make sure that we do not stop the the uh public officials, the governing bodies should have certain rights um

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with um being able to speak and I wanted certain language to be added, you know, into the policy um or maybe even we could dissolve it. Um I have I'm I have a lot of mix. So, I wanted to remove this. Um, this was put on the agenda and

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I didn't really have time to really digest any of it um personally and as it sits right now, I would be against it. So, um I that would be uh where I sit and um that's that's where I'll leave it at that. If anybody else has a

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discussion, they can discuss. >> I also have wording that I would like to be placed in in it because uh there's some questionable things just like the gentleman brought up. uh I don't know your name but there's certain things in law when you put any shall those terms

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in council you would be familiar with that it we we need to look at that that that uh so that's just where I sit I'm not going to belabor it um I'm just there's a lot of problems with it on face value

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>> yeah I think the last thing I personally also had a question about was the commenting and blocking people um from certain comments. Um, you know, we could I get the the point of it, but um, just, you know, random blocking and not

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letting people see the com or page or even even the personal because it also says the official. So, if I post something, do I have to get approval from the administrator businessman? So, uh, like to table it also so we can discuss it. Also just to elaborate on

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what uh Kanjan uh just stated um that's where I have another problem with like um who would be responsible the business administrator or or anything particularly we would have to move it outside of the burrow there's too many politics there's too many things in state and and with the way the

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environment is depending on who is controlling the deis up here it could take us down a slippery slope of silencing one another and taking it to a whole another level that we should not be in constitutionally. >> Sure. Just just ironing out a process for transparency and fairness. I I

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agree. Um just a point of order since there's a motion on the table, can can we introduce a motion to table or do we have to go through this motion now? >> If I if I could, so if the if the governing body is inclined, you could just vote it down and then, you know, there could be a new policy reddrafted another time that's more in congruity

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with what you guys want, right? There's no need to if you if the general sense is people don't like this, you vote it down, right? You don't table it because you don't like it. >> So, let's vote it. >> No, you don't you don't have to table it unless unless you want to. >> I mean, I personally am in So, when I was a legal clerk for the city of

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Elizabeth, we there was a policy and it was reviewed and and council was right. This does protect the burrow from by establishing it. If an individual violates it, it can cover the burrow from a liability perspective. I just think as it's introduced, it can it can be further teased out as some of the gentlemen have pointed out tonight. My

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only question is I would like to table it and revisit it as opposed to just voting it down. Um, but can I make that motion if we have a motion on the table? All right. So then I motion a table. >> Can we finish discussion? I also agree with what you're what you're saying in regards to like uh certain liability

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concerns like for instance like if committees um have control of a page and they're representing the burrow, that would be something that would be uh I I'm I'm open to, but like just everything that's written down in face value would be is what I'm opposed to.

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But like if it's directed towards committees and things of that nature, I would be open. >> Sure. If anybody has more to say, but I just like to make a motion to uh table resolution number 118-26. >> I'll second it. >> Thank you, Mr. Petr. >> Maybe heard just briefly. So, um, you

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know, again, I I personally did not draft this policy to be clear, but um I would recommend if you have concerns regarding the policy, it is my strong recommendation that you do have a policy. It doesn't necessarily have to be this policy, but this is not the kind

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of thing that you want to table and forget about because as I said before, every municipality that I am aware of and I believe uh insurance carriers are insisting upon it is that you do have a social media policy enforced to address

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the complicated issues that are involved with this. So, if there are concerns or suggestions, I'm happy to be involved if I'm asked to do so. um you know, but they should be brought to the table and addressed sooner rather than later would be my strong recommendation. >> I like Andrew's suggestion that we just

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vote it down and then he could just easily just clean it up or do whatever he needs to do. >> But that's what I'm saying is in terms of cleaning it up, it seems like a number of council members have an idea on how to clean it up and I think those ideas need to be provided as soon as reasonably possible.

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>> Understood. But we have a motion on the table that's been seconded. So let's >> thank you all final So, I'm going to call a roll to mo to call the role to table it. >> Uh on a on a motion to table. Councilman Petroski. >> Yes.

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>> Councilman Johnson. >> All right. Yes. >> Councilwoman Lions. >> Yes. >> Councilman Patel? >> Yes. >> Councilman Castellins? >> Yes. >> Five affirmative on a motion to table. The resolution is tabled. It's laid on the table. >> Thank you. May I have a motion to remove a motion

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to remove resolution 11126 from the table? >> Uh, so moved. >> Second. >> Mr. Clerk, please call the >> Oh, yeah. Sorry. >> That's right. >> Give me one moment. >> Councilman Petroski. >> Yes.

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>> Councilman Johnson. >> Yes. >> Counciloman Lions. Yes. >> Councilman Patel. >> Yes. >> Councilman Castins. >> Yes. >> If I was the affirmative, the resolution is taken from the table. So, it is subject to further discussion. >> Any further discussion on resolution

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11126? >> Yes, Mayor, if I may. Um resolution uh 11126 uh titled requesting intermunicipal coordination transparency impact mitigation related to proposed data center development of uh burrow of kennelorf uh was introduced by

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councilman Robbina. Um as it was introduced there were some um issues or or uh reservations from members of the body. Um and I've seen a lot of back and forth uh over the last few weeks uh cleaning it up essentially.

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I know the the members have a a redline version here as well as a clean version. Um and so I would like to make a motion to introduce the resolution as amended um for consideration tonight. >> So just just to be clear, it's a motion to amend. >> It's it's a motion to I guess

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reintroduce and amend, right? >> Amend. >> Okay. So just amend. >> A second on a >> I second that. >> Discussion. >> Any discussion? >> Um yeah, mayor. I guess I I'll just kind of highlight the the the point. I mean,

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uh, everybody's well aware of of the data center that's being built in the neighboring um burrow of Kennorf. Um, this resolution, and correct me if I'm wrong, council, in essence is essentially requesting some coordination. There's been a lot of questions that have been raised. Um,

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some which there's been some semblance of answers and some that still remain. Um, this is more of a I guess a way for us to formally as a body with a little more weight request that information from the bureau and and open up those conversations. Although I I do know that

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the mayor has been in conversations with representatives from Corwe trying to get some of these answers and our administrator. Um, this is just a formal action from our body requesting that information in the spirit of cooperation, coordination, and transparency. Um, so I fully support Councilman Robbina's um intent here and

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and would like to see this go through. >> In in addition to that, Mayor, um I already sent uh a slew of questions to the business administrator and and I wanted to apprec uh thank him one for uh responding back to me. Um I know that um

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it's it's not just about the questions I have and that's why I'm going to support this as well. Um, but I didn't I just for clarity, I didn't want to table this uh just to be uh um there was some miscommunication errors uh last council

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meeting uh implying that um I wanted to table this or get rid of this and that's uh just not what the case was. Um my thought process was initially I was going to send questions to uh business administrator Al Marbella. I didn't see

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the need that we have to wait to formulate a resolution to start asking questions. So, uh, just for clarity, I wanted to put that on the record. So, that's why I did not want to table it last meeting because I wanted to get the ball rolling regardless whether we have

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this resolution on to show uh, memorialization or not. >> Any other discussion? Mr. Clerk, please call the role >> on a motion to amend. Councilman Petroski, >> yes. >> Councilman Johnson, >> yes. >> Counciloman Lions, >> yes. >> Councilman Patel, >> yes.

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>> Councilman Castellins, >> yes. >> If I vote in the affirmative, the amendment is agreed to. >> The body is inclined. You need a motion to adopt as amended. >> Uh, so moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I

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>> I >> Reports of Burough Council committees start with Councilman uh Patel on the left. Good evening everyone. The Rosa Park Community Garden had a successful opening day last Saturday and the

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renters have already begun filling their plots with plants for the growing season. Please follow the environmental commission social media on Facebook and Instagram for upcoming volunteer days and pre-produce distribution from our community beds. Afterwards, I attended

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the healthy moms healthy family fair at the youth center. It was great seeing many of our residents take advantage of the free resources and free health screening available during the event. On Sunday, I had pleasure of attending the ribbon cutting event for Daniela's

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lemonade stand. She will be open on Wednesdays and Sundays. So, make sure to stop by Columbus Place Rosa Park and support her. As always, if you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me at kpat rosapark.net. Thank you. That's my report. Thanks,

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Council. Uh, Councilwoman Lions. >> Good evening, Mayor and uh, council and residents of Rosal Park. Um, I actually just want to remind everybody, uh, it is Memorial Day weekend. Uh, we do have, uh, plans to, um, obviously do a

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service, so if it does rain, please stay tuned. We are going to communicate that. Um, and, uh, we would just love to have the community come together on, uh, definitely a day of of, uh, just remembrance and and coming together. Uh so please stay tuned for that and uh

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that's my report. Thank you mayor. >> Thank you Councilman Joe Petrowski. >> Thank you mayor. Uh first of all I want to send my condolences out to Ogre Matuzawitz resident of Roosevelt Park for many years. Um May 8th I attended the

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recreation pasta and planting with your favorite lady. I want to especially thank Tina and your crew. Uh great. It was very uh a great event. Mayor, thank you for coming. Um and everything. I

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guess the pasta was good too. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. Um I also want to thank Costas from Rosal Park and Sunrise Diner who donated the food for the event. Um it's good to have uh you know uh

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business that takes care of uh all of our events and that. So, thank you, Kasas and Sunrise Niner. Uh May 10th, um I um I went to the American Legion uh

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and the U local 7 was there, the tile union, and they redid the kitchen. Unbelievable the difference uh it was. Uh um I'd like to bring them in uh give them a certificate. Um, I also want to

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thank uh uh Richard Ren Porter who did the um did the carpentry work there. Um he had to redo the floor in the kitchen to level it off so they could put tile down there. Uh thank you. I also want to

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bring him in. And I also want to thank uh the painters apprentice program from DC21 u who painted the third floor. What a difference. It was a sore eyes if you were up there before and what it looks

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like now. So, I like to bring them in also. And these are all uh apprentices uh from the union. Okay. On the 13th, I attended the recreation meeting. Um um they're they're going to have an event

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right before uh the summer, right when school gets out. Um so they're on the planning stages. Uh so wait for the uh email and there'll should be a flyer going out right Dina. Okay thank you. On Saturday I attended the health fair. Um

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I want to thank Aena Feliz for all she did. It was a great event. Um um so uh you know again thank you. Um on 19th I attended the special meeting for the

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budget. Okay. Um um I want to thank my committee Rosanna George. Um I've been the budget chairman for many years. I'm and I want to thank Al for all your input, Andrew, Ken. Um this is probably

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the roughest year uh I went through. Um we we tried to do the best we can. Um from my I'm hearing all over uh all the uh communities are in a bad state. Uh we really tried hard and one thing you have to understand we did not lay off any

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cops uh burrow employees um uh cutting programs basically uh you know so it we always look into that we don't want to lay off uh any workers. So um it's um we're hoping for next year be much

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better with the pilot money coming in. Um some of the uh new additions don't have 100%. Um so that hurt us with the pilot money, but hopefully next year we're at full capacity and that will definitely help with the uh thing. Um

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again, I I you know, and one thing you have to do understand I'm a taxpayer too, so I get affected by this too. So uh my hearts go out uh to all the residents of Roso Park. Um, and uh, like I said, it was the roughest uh, budget

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hearing I've been at uh, this year. Uh, but I want to thank all the uh, administrators that helped us. My committee, Rosanna and George, thank you. Um, and everything. Today I attended the joint silver meeting. Again, we're uh, getting ready for this

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year. Um, if you need to contact me, get me at jproski rosepark.net net 9086667821. And that's my report, Mayor. Thank you, >> Councilman. Councilman >> Johnson, I'm sorry. >> Thank you.

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>> Good evening, Mayor. Thank you, Mayor. Uh, good evening, Mayor, council, residents, and uh, guests. I would like to take a moment to uh thank the residents of Persian A for their patience while uh the

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revitalization of Persian Street was being completed. The fresh paving and the new striping uh looks great. And uh this project is a positive improvement for our neighborhood. I also want to take a moment to thank Andrew and

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Commissioner Signarello III, who's not here, uh for listening to both me and the residents as I continued advocating for this project. This has been uh something I have pushed for since I took office probably a little over five and

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uh five and a half years ago, and I'm happy to see it uh finally be completed. Projects like this remind us that persistence matters. When residents raise concerns and elected officials continue to follow through, we can make meaningful improvements and that enhance

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safety, appearance, and overall quality of life in our community. So, uh, just wanted to say thank you guys. Uh, trust me, this been a long process. Uh, there's been a lot of nos behind the scenes. Um, and just I appreciate Andrew

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the most because uh he helped us uh to get the grant so we can offset taxpayers and and things of that nature. And also thank you too at the time you were dead at large. So I appreciate that too, mayor. Um I also wanted to take uh a moment to

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recognize uh Memorial Day. As a veteran myself, I understand the importance of honoring the brave men and women who uh served our country. uh especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice. Their courage, service and sacrifice should never be forgotten. I look forward like

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my colleague said uh Ro um to attending the burrow uh Memorial Day event on Monday as we come together. Hopefully the rain doesn't uh affect us too bad. Um come together to remember and honor those who gave so much to our nation. Uh

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but before I end this uh my meeting because that's um my report. I wanted to also uh say to the gentleman that approached uh I'm sorry I don't know your name. Um but it was refreshing that you gave a suggestion about a clock. Um

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I seen the clock before. Um I seen it at the county. The county has that. And so, uh, some of us officials, and I I want to say I I can't speak for all of my colleagues, but I want to say that we're open to suggestions like that. And I can't see that being, uh, a major issue

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of not being resolved later on in a future. So, thank you for that. Uh, thank you again to everyone and thank you to the residents for your continued patience and support. If you need to get in contact with me, uh you can reach out for my assistance and needs uh at gson

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rose park.net or you could call me at 9083031519. And mayor, that concludes my report. Thank you. >> Thanks, Councilman Councilman Castle. >> Good evening everybody, mayor, colleagues, residents. Um

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my report today, first of all, I just want to say congratulations to Duke. I felt like I was meeting a celebrity tonight, which was great. And I remember when this happened, um I looked at my wife and I was like, "Thank God we have something in Rosell Park in the news and it's not a fire cuz unfortunately my short tenure here, it's like two big fires and all these things." So, it's

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good to see those things. Uh very, very nice to see that. Um I wanted to mostly just talk about, you know, like I said, uh or like Councilman Petroski said, the special meeting regarding the budget. Uh it was my first budget experience and um it was uh yeah I mean I I think

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everybody's feeling the hurt from rising costs as a burrow. We felt it from the utilities and insurance I think most more than anything else. Um and that's something that's plaguing a lot of households not not just um entities but I feel like we really did a good job the best we could with what we have and

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definitely when you look at other municipalities budgets that were introduced um we we we did pretty well. Um so that's good news for the residents. Um big reminder this weekend we do have Memorial Day and we're going to celebrate our um our service members and we have our parade. It's 9:00 a.m.

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We're lining up at Sherman Elementary. I believe we're marching at like 10:00 a.m. promptly. So if you're going to participate in the parade, uh 9:00 a.m. we're going to meet over at Sherman Elementary School. Um on the 27th of May, we do have the Roso Park Fire Department memorial service. Uh that's

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going to be 7 PM uh over at the uh Kelly Coffer's uh Memorial Park on May 30th. I'm very excited for the annual bike clinic as well as the tour of Rosell Park. This is something that I'm very excited about. I was uh one of the organizers for the Elizabeth uh tour of Elizabeth. Uh and I'm very excited to

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have this in Rosel Park and uh make sure you guys get your bikes checked out because I've seen a lot of people who whose brakes have gone bad uh since the last time they rode a bike. So make sure you get that checked out before you go and ride. Um, finally, just events coming up before our next meeting is, uh, June 2nd, we have election day. Very

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important to get out there and participate in our all of our civic duties. Uh, as a reminder, it is a primary and it is a closed primary. So, if you're registered as a Democrat, you vote in Democratic primary. If you're registered Republican, you vote in the Republican primary. If you're unregistered or an unaffiliated voter, you can declare that day and and vote in

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either one of those two. Just important that you guys get out there and vote on June 2nd. Uh, polls are open 6:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. if I'm not mistaken. And uh the burrow has uh the website has all of our polling locations. Um last thing I'm very excited for that should happen before our next meeting is uh hopefully we have our Aker Park grand opening

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soon. Uh we've been looking forward to that. That's a really exciting project uh here in in the burrow. Um and thank you everybody. I hope everyone has a a great um holiday kickoff, unofficial kickoff to the summer. Um even though it might not feel like it. If you need to reach me, my email is jastelins rosepark.net. My cell phone number is

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908-6612837. Thank you. >> Thanks, Councilman. >> Over the over the last few weeks, there's been a lot of talk about the core weave data center. I'd like to set a few facts straight. I understand we need an economic

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we need an economic development, but there are a lot of things I'd rather see than energyintensive data center. I worked at PSG. I know how strained our grid is already and we're all paying for it. Rosal Park

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was not notified about the project. Kennorth has no legal obligation to tell us. It's frustrating but true. We found out the same way you did when the notices showed up in your mailboxes. A resident reached out to me on April 16th

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and that's when I learned about it. We don't have to all we don't all have the answers tonight, but I want to let you know I see you and hear you and I we are taking action. That includes moving to ban these facilities here in Roso Park and staying in touch with Kennowart

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whatever we can. I know that many of you are asking about the water you usage noise, what this means to our property values. These are real concerns. They're exactly what we're raising with Kennaworth and we we

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we and the experts will be talking to. We're introducing the ban ordinance tonight right here. So the council meeting so everyone will step up to the public to be excuse me step will be public. If anyone tells you this is

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about tax revenue for re the region, Rosa Park sees none of that money. We carry the risk. Kennawart gets the check. Here's the truth. I can't do this alone. If you want change, you need to show up in Kennowart and use your voice.

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Even as mayor, I can make them listen to me. But so keep keep speaking up and keep speaking up with me. I've been on the phone every day with the neighbors and partners working through this. Coreweave will be holding a town hall

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meeting with the next few weeks. The right place for the questions to be heard directly by the people that are doing this. As we go through this process, it's become clear that hearing direct from me is better than our

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filtered version to of the truth. But if questions remain after, we'll hold one of our own town meetings right here in Roso Park. As soon as I have the details of the meeting, I will have them to you. Want to get a hold of me? It's J.

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Signarella rosa park.net or 9087216488. I just like to briefly talk about a couple events I went to with KZA. Nice event at the opening of the community garden, the health fair. I think it was well attended last p Saturday. It was

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just a steady flow and uh nice event. The weather held up and again like Councilman Johnson says uh hats off to all our service service personnel around Rosa Park around the state in the country and we'll look at hopefully the

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weather holds up on Saturday. We will definitely have the service inside at 10 a.m. at this call. Other than that, that's the end of my report. I have a motion to open the public portion on any subject only.

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>> So move. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> I >> George Ramirez, 500 East Clay. Uh, mayor, you just said that you found out just like we all did, but last meeting Jay Rebaina said that you guys

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attended a uh planning meeting in Kennallorth. Are you done with your time? I'll answer when you >> Okay. So, that would be number one. I would like to know when you attended that meeting with Mr. Reena. And number two,

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you speaking of social media, in your social media post, you said that you have improved services since you've been mayor. So, I'm curious to see what services you have improved since you've been mayor.

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And that's it for now. >> I'll answer the I found out April 16th and I believe the planning board meeting was in May. Kennorth. I do not have the date. >> Okay. >> Planning board meeting sometime in May.

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>> And what services have you improved? >> There's a list. >> Okay. What's on the list? There's a list. You want to talk to me? Whatever, we'll talk. >> I'm talking right now. >> There's a list.

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>> Okay. So, can you name three things on the list? >> We improve. We kept We're keeping our services. >> What have we improved? >> We improved. >> You said you you have improved our services. So, what have you improved

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when it comes to our services? You're asking me what is what services we've improved. We've kept our services approved. We talked about our budget. We had no layoffs, right? We haven't done anything different. Okay. We're keeping the same services we've been keeping

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over the years. That's my answer. >> So if you keep the same, it's it's the same. >> When you improve something, you improve it. When you make it worse, it gets worse. If you keep it the same, you keep the same service getting better. Yes. >> So what have you improved?

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>> W services. >> You think it's better? >> Okay. >> All right. So going from one street uh one week one time a week for the street sweeper down to one time a month is improving services.

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>> Mr. Ramirez, may I can I have some of your time as well? >> No. >> No. Okay. Well, when you're finished, I guess we can Thank you. >> Oh, my time's up. >> No, it's not up. >> No, I still have time. >> Okay.

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>> Exactly. How much time do I have left, sir? >> Okay. So, again, back to my original question. What services have you improved? >> I have some points. Improve, not >> remain the same.

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>> Improved. >> Correct. As you stated, as you well, I still have a minute. >> When your time is up, I'll answer. >> I still have a minute. So we can >> we've improved our DPW services. We have >> by cutting the street sweeping from once

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a week to once a month. That's an improvement. >> Collectively made that decision that we feel we improved our services. >> Okay. So how has it improved? I just told you how it got worse. >> I gave you a specific answer on how it got worse. Can you give me a specific

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reason on how it improved? >> For you. When you're done, I'll >> Okay. I would like a specific instance of how it has improved and that's it. So I'll state it DPW with our shared services has improved

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since prior arrangements with the Roso Park DBW. I feel it's improved. >> Okay. The mayor, we also had a What was it? 90% or 95% of the streets in in the burrow have been paved. Those, you know, I consider those services to the municipality. I know we have a lot of

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tree trimmings going on that have been nuisances to residents. Um >> by the utility companies though, correct? >> I'm sorry, time's up. >> That's all right. >> You're But you're out of order though. >> Actually, believe we can speak on the Sure. Thank you.

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Good evening, council. Uh, Jimmy Matthews, Rosa Park. Uh, just regarding this social media policy stuff. I guess I just want to comment that, you know, I want the council to be realistic about the kind of

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seeding of public comments that happens when you use these third party companies, Facebook, Instagram, all these these things to be what is essentially a public forum at the burough level. Even though the language in this policy that was proposed says,

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you know, it's not the intent to make it a public forum, but if not, then you know what is where is the public forum, right? It's supposed to be here or it could be for much of it, but everyone knows many of the conversations

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are going on out there and that's because the public forum isn't really happening here. I mean, the people aren't here. there's only a few people and it's not because I think from that side of the room it kind of looks like it's just because oh people aren't participating in doing something else

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but I think it's also because the formal organization prevents people from feeling like when they show up here that they're participating and having a say in what actually happens. Things like the budget meeting which was four minutes on Tuesday. I mean, that means

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that if you're interested in the budget of Rosal Park as a resident, you want to have even a sense of what's going on, even if not a say in what happens, you're not going to get it by coming to this building. You're going to get it by going on Facebook or or something else. So, I get that you don't want to make a public form out of it. And you you

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really shouldn't. You shouldn't use Facebook at all. You shouldn't use Instagram at all. And I I I would say that to every single individual as well. I don't use Facebook. I don't use Instagram. Um, so yeah, just I would say put that on your radar that it's not just a, you

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know, a a neutral third party out there that's giving out information. I mean, at any time Facebook could say rewrite what you write on there and you have no recourse. It's they they don't have anyone's our interests in mind. It's

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they do a lot of manipulation. So, um, you know, they're adfunded. that that's their their deal. So, be realistic about it and I look forward to seeing whatever you come up with. >> Thank you, Jay. >> Uh Jay, if I may, Chair, may I

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>> you know, I think that you you brought some very valid points. We do have committees that that meet often times and I mean obviously I see you here all the time. That's great because not everybody does that. Um I will say if you do have any suggestions, I think this body's more than open to it. you know, that's we usually get emails from

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people or calls like, hey, like, can we do something about this? And that's kind of where those things get spurred. So, I'd love to hear from you if you have some ideas because I, you know, I think we all agree to rework this. Um, I will add though that I think for the most part, the the policy was, there was a section about blocking other people's

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things, but most of the policy is regulating the employees um use of social media to make sure it's clear that they're not representing the view of the whole bureau as an individual. Uh, but I'd love to hear some other suggestions that we can include as we're re retooling this. So, thank you.

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>> You come to speak. Excuse me. Okay. Um, I'll just mention, >> can you identify yourself for the record, please? >> Uh, no. It's anonymous. Uh, name is Name is anonymous. Address is anonymous. May

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I proceed? >> It just says to identify yourself by name. Yes, >> I'll I'll I'll double check. But >> this this is a a forum where we need to keep appropriate minutes and there is not an appropriate uh is not appropriate to come and speak anonymously at this

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forum. You are required to identify yourself. >> Donald Duck, >> you're required to honestly identify yourself. >> This is a Democratic board, right? We kind of don't agree that we should show ID to vote. I got to show ID to speak. >> No, you just need to honestly state your

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name. >> Donald Duck. How do you know it's not? Isn't this a little silly? Are we making a clown show out of it now? >> How are we able to keep appropriate minutes if we do not know who you are? >> Why don't you allow people to be the adults they want to be? What does it matter where I come from? Do we

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discriminate where people come from? What kind of authority are you trying to present by telling me I can't remain anonymous? Every single municipality in New Jersey has to legally allow a public portion. Right. So the second that I step up to the lect turn, the table,

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wherever I am, the second I step up to that microphone, my first amendment kicks in. You're attempting to force my speech. >> Do we not have freedom of speech? Well, you're wasting my time and you're attempting to force my speech in the United States of America. >> That's what's going on right now.

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>> You want me to You want me to surrender my fourth amendment right so I can express my first amendment right? >> Donald, please proceed. >> Simmons versus the United States. the ruling. Are you familiar with that, Mr. Attorney? It is intolerable to surrender one constitutional right to assert

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another one. And and let's let's let's kind of like be adults about this, right? I already spoke >> and we noted for the record that you had not previously identified yourself >> and that upsets you. Are we worried about are we worried about that we can't police police my presence properly?

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>> Where'd I come from? >> Proceeding, sir. And so what we are trying to do is ensure that we haveate record understanding who you are council understands whether you're a resident of this community or not so that your

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>> you are attempting to force my speech and you continue to do it. >> I can let Donald speak. >> He's not letting me do anything. Nobody is letting me speak. Let's let's get that clear. Sir,

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>> nobody is allowing me to speak. >> You have the floor, >> right? I know I do >> and I would appreciate not having all those disruptions. So, how much time was wasted out of my four minutes, Mr. Clerk? Since you have the Since you have the clock, >> one minute. >> One. One. So, are we going to reestab am

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I going to get three minutes back? >> Thank you. Please start the clock back at four. You know, this is the kind of stuff that makes government look silly. This is the kind of stuff that makes government look like it's a clown show.

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And it's always the attorney who's acting as an extension of the administration who says there's a need because every municipality has a policy about social media. That is blatantly false, entirely inaccurate. So you use your

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legal law degree, right, as a as a certifi certification to just say things and then when you talk about how you represent, you don't give the information about what law you're talking about. You just say, "Yeah, the most important law is the one

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I was doing." But you don't tell anybody what that is. It's always the township attorney. Always. Always the township attorney who winds up creating litigation issues. I mean, how silly.

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What makes you think you can force my speech because of policy? Oh, that's funny. Everything goes back to policy and procedures, right? Which don't trump law. There's established Supreme Court rulings about these pages.

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When you're representing yourself in your official capacity, it's a public forum. Not really quite sure what exactly the point of it all is because you understand how this is where corruption is bred. When you do these things, when

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you police said and what can't be said, what you should say, when you should say it, why you should say it. When you do that, right, that's what that's what breeds power, corruption. And it seems pretty it seems pretty obvious

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that why that would be why why why do we all think that the lawyer would act as an extension for the administration? Is it a constitutional lawyer? No, it's a township attorney. It's a township attorney who's who wants policy and procedures to just flow orderly business

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and wasted three minutes of my time. Now we now I got seven minutes total because you wasted the first three minutes. And this was and this was because Excuse me, I'm talking. Please, it's rude. Please. And the whole point of it was to have like the flow of the meeting run.

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You know, it's wild to me that there's only a few people in this room for all the residents that there are in Rosel Park. It's wild. That's why we put the cameras on these councils. That's why we do that so people can pay attention. Only a couple hundred people probably watch your meeting. Not even. I think

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you guys have like 180 subscribers on your YouTube. Get away with whatever. Do whatever to please the person that's sitting next to you. But maybe when the world's watching, they can make their own opinions and maybe you can change your behavior.

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Decide exactly what it is you're even in this for. I think we need a clock, guys. I think we need a clock. How much time do I have left? >> 45 seconds. >> It is very difficult for me to gather my

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thoughts, do my mental check of what I want to say, and I don't know how much time I have. You know, it's it's just a shame. You know what? Take the 20 seconds back. Have a motion to close the public portion on any subject.

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>> So move. >> All in favor? Oh, sorry. >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> There are no matters for closed session this evening. I have a motion to adjurnn. >> So move. >> All f I I'm sorry.

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>> All in favor? I >> have a good night.