I'll answer. >> All right. This meeting is being held in accordance with the New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act annual notices. This meeting was published in the Union County Local Source in the New York Star Ledger. Said notice was posted in the municipal building and a copy is on file with the office of the burough clerk. Fire exits are located in the directions I'm indicating. If you're alerted for a
fire, please move in a calm, orderly manner to the nearest smokefree exit. Proper notice having been given. And the burough clerk is directed to include the statement in the minutes of the meeting. Please call the role. >> Councilman Petroski >> here. >> Councilman Johnson >> present. >> Councilman Sigella >> here. >> Councilman Robina >> is absent. Councilwoman Lions >> here.
>> Councilman Patel >> here. >> Mayor Sigarella >> here. Have a quorum. Mayor >> um uh please read the lead us in the opening prayer followed by the pledge of allegiance. >> Eternal God grant us thy help and all our duties and perplexities. We ask for thy guidance. Give us thy protection in
our dangers and sorrows. Grant us thy peace. Amen. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. >> Okay. May I have a motion to move out of order to consider resolution 274-25? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Is there any discussion? All in favor? I >> uh please read ordinance number 274-25 by title.
>> Yes, mayor. Resolution 27425 is appointing Tyrese Chambers Cherry to the position of patrolman within the Rosal Park Police Department. >> Uh may I have a motion to adopt resolution 274-25? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Is there any discussion? >> Please call the RO. >> Councilman Petroski? >> Yes.
>> Councilman Johnson? >> Yes. >> Councilman Signarella? >> Yes. >> Councilwoman Lions? >> Yes. >> Councilman Patel? >> Yes. Five votes in the affirmative. The resolution is adopted.
[Applause] I just uh real quick before we start, I just want to say thank you. Yeah, I actually I just put this on uh by chance, but I'm I'm repping. I got the
PBA thing on. Um I just wanted to uh recognize we have a council woman from the great city of Planefield here. Round of applause for Councilwoman Cherry. I didn't find out till last minute you were coming. I told everybody casual. If I knew we were having guests over, man, we would have dressed up for playing
field. Come on. Um anyway, sorry, Chief. You want to um >> who you want to come have you? Okay, cool. >> A >> Oh, that's so nice. >> Oh my god, I love that. That's so
precious. Oh, that's beautiful. >> You could swear them in down there if it's better. >> Okay. Yeah. You want to do that? We swear. Why don't we do the swearing in down here so it's easier? >> A >> Yeah, 100%. We'll do it right here. >> Oh, how beautiful.
>> How you doing, Grandma? >> Thanks, Greg. >> Sweet. >> Uh, just have a seat. It's all right. Uh, let me go get this. Uh, right hand on the Bible. >> Left hand on the Bible.
>> Left hand on the Bible. So close. 5050 shot. >> Okay. Repeat after me. I >> I >> Tyrese Chambers Cherry >> Tyrese Chambers Cherry >> do solemnly swear >> you solemnly swear >> that I will support the Constitution >> I will support the Constitution >> of the United States >> of the United States
>> and the Constitution >> and the Constitution >> of the State of New Jersey >> of the state of New Jersey >> and that I will bear true faith >> I will bear true faith >> and allegiance >> and allegiance >> to the same >> to the same >> and to the governments established >> to the governments established >> in the United States >> the United States >> and in this state >> and this state
>> under the authority of the people >> under the authority of the people >> that do further solemnly swear >> do you further that I will faithfully >> That I will faithfully >> impartially >> impartially >> and justly >> and justly >> perform all the duties of police. >> That's all right. No, we do that one. Perform all the duties of >> perform all the duties of
>> police patrolman. >> Police patrolman >> of the bur of Rosal Park. >> of the bur of Rosal Park. >> According to the best of my ability >> according to the best of my ability. >> So help me God. >> So help me God. >> Congratulations. [Applause] You want me to? >> No. Okay, you guys.
>> Oh, there you go. Chief, you're on a string of getting really tall candidates here, dude. >> All right, Chief, you want to say a couple words? >> So, good evening everybody. Um, I know we did a full background on this young
man, but I had no idea that you were the the uh council woman over in Planefield. That I don't know how that got biased. I'm going to talk to my detectives after we're done. And uh we're going to have a little we're going to have a little chat. Um just a little bit about Tyrese, his
his bio. Uh Tyrese Chambers Cherry is 26 years old and a resident of Hillside, New Jersey. Uh, Tares is a Hillside High School graduate where he graduated in 2017. Following high school, Tyrese further his education by attending Union County College where he earned an
associates degree in criminal justice. In 2023, Tyrese was hired by the Garden State Correctional Facility as a corrections officer where he attended the Seagar Police Academy, graduating in 20 August of 2023. Tyrese was then hired by the Orange Police Department in 2024
where he attended the P County Police Academy, graduating in July of 2024. Tyrese comes to this agency with two years of law enforcement experience and is a student of martial arts specializing in jiu-jitsu. I believe he will be a great addition to this police
department and the burrow given his previous experience and background. I want to wish Tyrese all the best and I look forward to working with you in the future. Congratulations and be safe. [Applause] Please come on. >> Make sure yours.
>> This is on behalf of Assemblywoman Linda Carter, Jim Kennedy, and Sen Senate President. They are giving you a Senate and General Assembly citation. This is comment. Uh this is to Tyrese Chamber Sherry. On the 22nd of August, New Jersey
legislative district through their elected representatives for bringing honor to theirelves and pride to their family and community upon taking the oath of office as police officer in the burough of Rosel Park, exemplifying commitment to the public service,
safety, and highest ideals of justice and integrity. Congratulations [Applause] I can grab the mic. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Uh I'd like to say thank you to everybody that came out. Thank you to the city and council, the Chief Reno, and for my family and friends that came out as well, and the entire Rosel Park Police Department as well. I'm excited to work with you guys. I can't I can't um words can't even express it.
Um, I'll see you Monday. >> So sweet. So sweet. >> You want to break the photos? >> Yeah. Uh, do you want to Can I have a motion to go into >> recess? >> Recess. Uh, just let these guys do a couple photos. >> Uh, so move. >> So move. >> Second.
>> All in favor? I. Yep. Okay. >> It's a really good speech. No. It's just like charged. All right. Final warning for pictures. I'm cold. It's freezing in here. I got to get in and get out.
You're very welcome. >> Congrats, man. Take it easy. Yeah, >> I Okay. Uh, do I have a motion to reconvene? >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> Okay. Uh, now for equally jovial stuff.
Uh, I'd like to bring up the tag development group for um 510 Chestn Street redevelopment area. Do you guys want to come over here? >> Right there. And then could we have our professionals um Lindsay and Joe Joe right over here?
I think you guys are hated. >> Yeah, I'm getting blasted. Um, hey, how are you? Hi, stranger. Um, so let me set the table for this because I, you know, whatever. We haven't done this before, but I think it's worth discussing. Um,
so we've been discussing a wildly complicated project in uh this 510 Chestnut Street redevelopment area. Um, it's listed in part of our affordable housing requirements. Um, so there's obviously incentive for us to do this at this point. Um, and I think we all,
sorry, I don't think we all like the project, but I think a lot of us see the value in the project. Enough of us see the value in the project. Um, uh, I think I've been talking back and forth one-on-one with the developers. Um, but obviously we've come to an impass with
certain hard economic realities here. Um, so we thought it was best to kind of rather than me playing monkey in the middle, kind of just have you guys here talk about those issues that potentially can get solved and, um, you know, we could react from that. So, um, we're all
ears. >> Sounds great. Thank you, mayor. Uh, good evening, mayor, members of council, members of administration. It's good to see many of you again. Um, for those of you that don't know me, I'm my name is Chiron Roundry. I'm the executive vice president of TAG Development. Um, I want
to thank you for the opportunity. We're really excited about this project. Um, we're a New Jersey, just a little bit about us. We're a New Jersey based company. We have very deep local roots. Um, we're excited to deliver affordable housing, strengthen Rosal Parks downtown, and bring long-term value to
the community. Um, we really want this project to succeed, but in order to make it financially viable and truly buildable, we do need some flexibility, and we want to work with the town. Um, just a little bit more about our company. Uh, we have more than 30 years of experience delivering housing and
community focused projects all around New Jersey. Our headquarters is in Elizabeth where our president and CEO was born and raised. Um, me personally, I've lived or worked in this area for over 20 years. Like I said, you've seen me before. You're going to keep seeing
me again out and about. Um, I've spent a lot of time here in Rosal Park. Uh, a lot of your restaurants actually. Um, prior to joining the TAG team, I spent about 20 years serving in local New Jersey government as a municipal administrator, focusing largely on
economic and redevelopment programs. Um, I've also taught municipal management at Ruckers University. I'm a certified redevelopment agency executive director. I'm an AICP certified planner. Um, I say all of this because it gives me a deep understanding of the interests, um, the
concerns, the sensitivities that that sitting on that side of the the day is you you might have. Um, bottom line is we really do care about the community. We're here. We're part of this this area. Um, our team has built uh we have thousands of residential units in the
pipeline throughout the state of New Jersey in towns like Union, Fanwood, Morristown, Jersey City, Carterette. Um, we have an affiliate company, Ramos Contractors, that does actually most of our building are for for projects this size. Um, and Ramis has built thousands
of units throughout the state of New Jersey. So, we have a long deep track record. Uh, we're not going anywhere. Why do we think this project matters to Rosal Park? It's not about what matters to us, it's what matters to you. Um, it can add some quality vibrant housing
near transit for you. Um, it can help strengthen your downtown and economic viability. Uh, and it, as as you know, it c it's supportive of your affordable housing plan, which you recently just submitted. Um, so it's important not just to meet the state requirements, but
to keep Rosel Park economically viable, to keep it a place that people want to keep coming to and and to stay and live in. Um, so what's the challenge? Why are we here? Why are we talking to you? It's really all about a financial viability. Whether it's us or any other developer,
we've looked at this site. We've uh lit literally played Legos with different configurations on what we can do uh given the plan and your most recent amendments to the plan. Um, and the con one of the the big changes from when we first started talking about this project
was the increase from uh 15% to 20% of the affordable housing. Just to put that in context, each affordable unit costs us about >> $162,000 over the cost of the pro the the
project. Um, so uh having 10 affordable units lowers the value of this project as if it from when it was a market rate unit. um by almost $3 million. Uh so that additional affordability component really changes the financial picture of
this project. Um but at the same time, as I said, I'm an AICP certified planner. I've sat on your side of the of the day as many many times. I get why you need that 20%. It is important to the burrow and and we want to work with that. Um but in order to see to to make
everything else work, there are some some concessions that we would need. Um so our request looking at it there there's kind of two options. Uh we could go taller so we can get more density so we can reach economies of scale to make up for that inc increased um affordable
requirement. Um but I get you might not want that. You might not want to go up to that five stories and I understand at the last meeting that's why the plan was amended to to to go down to four stories. But in that case in order to make something more viable what we would ask is some concession on the parking
requirement. uh to a uh specifically to one space per market rate unit. Um and we have and I'm going to let Connor Hughes from Dynamic Traffic uh speak in a second uh about why we think that makes sense for the project. I also want to say as developers who have developed
many many projects, we want to make sure that we have tenants that want to lease up. So, we're not trying to undercut the amount of parking that we need on site, but given the proximity of this site to the train station, we think that uh a one parking space per market rate unit
is is really viable and and we can manage that. Another thing we did notice on the plan as it was introduced at the last meeting is there's a setback on the fourth floor. Um originally when the plan was presented, there were five five stories with a setback. And so we would
request that that setback not be required on the fourth floor. Um so those would be the two practical requirements that we would ask for the council's consideration. Um again I'm going to let >> one sorry Sean just one thing to pause you on um it is worth noting also that
in a very earlier iteration we also set the entire facade back. >> Yes. >> Right. So that is it's in two separate um scenarios. We've both set it back to be flush with the existing apartment building there um which you guys have been gracious enough to plan around and
then we've topped it out at fourth floor. So there has also been some setbacks baked into this to make it less above the street and and um abras not abrasive but imposing. Um before we go on to your professional I just like to pause um if there's any questions from
council right now. >> Yeah. So when we're talking about excuse me >> yep sorry when we're talking about setbacks we're not we're just talking about fourth floor only >> just the fourth floor >> we're not talking about ground level >> there's currently a 20 foot setback in the plan for the overall building which aligns with the building right next next
door to it. Um but al as the plan was amended when when the reduction in height was put in place it it didn't necessarily remove the setback that was required if there was a fifth floor and that really changes the dynamics of the project. So we're saying just no
additional setback on that fourth floor. >> So the whole thing would be 20 ft set back, but it would go straight flush up. There would be no setback on the top floor. >> And we'll have, you know, >> renders >> renders. And as we get further into the projects, it's not going to be a flat building. We want our projects to uh to
to be welcoming. We want people to live there. At the end of the day, we need these to be leased up. >> Yep. >> Um so I don't anything else? Uh and just to refresh my recollection uh number of units that we had. >> Yeah. So how many do you have planned right now? >> So that there's been many iterations of
that. I believe your current um redevelopment plan allowed for 55 or 65 units. We wouldn't we wouldn't go up to that. Um so even if you wanted to reduce that density to 50 units, we would be immunable to that >> and we'd probably be a little bit under
that. I think the one thing I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it's you're it's a little bit of guesswork on how many units you can get until we set the parameters, right? Because you have to dedicate some floor space to parking. What does that parking ratio look like? What is the actual height? What setbacks
do you have? So, but I would say B the the highest we've seen is 58 or what do we have? Do you remember what we have in the actual submitted in the the plan to the state, the affordable housing plan? Um, we were meeting we met our entire requirement.
>> No, no, no, I know, but but we had to list out the the we had to list >> I remember it off the top. >> I believe if I remember correctly, I believe there were 13 affordable units that were required in this on this site. Yeah, >> we won't get to that 13, but we can get pretty close to it. Our goal is to get
you 10 of those 13 um with that reduced. So, that would be a 50 unit building. Yeah, >> if we got if we got if we could if we can manage 50. I will say I don't think we can get to 50 given all of the other parameters um but but we can get you 10 affordable units um
>> to help meet that requirement. >> And Greg, just one other thing, Andrew, just let me know. So in the redevelop or in the plan that we submitted to the state, which look, we can always mend and ask for forgiveness. Uh we submitted it as 65 units total and 13 affordables, which would account 20% of the 65.
>> Okay. And uh that was in the uh zoning, right? That's not in the plan. >> That's in the redevelop or that's in the affordable housing plan that we submitted to the state plan >> and the original redevelopment plan >> and the original. >> So with the reduction in those three units, we would then be required, we're now on the line from the state to find
three new affordable units within the burrow within the next 10 years if there's additional development in the future. So either through looking through additional credits or if there is additional development. >> Yep. Um and then the one other thing I
just I think it's worth repeating or worth understanding is there's also a formula of the size of the units too, right? Is another thing that you guys have to take into consideration, right? So certain amount of them have to be threebedroom, certain amount have to be two. Am I >> Absolutely. So it's the it's U-Hack
uniform housing affordability. I always forget what's that. It's uniform housing affordability plan. um which requires what the bedroom mix has to be uh for the affordable units and it also um has size requirements. So the affordable
units in this project will be similar in size to the same unit um bedroom unit mix as the market rate units. Um and they'll be spread out throughout the building. So it's not like there's like an afford Oh, those are the affordable units and those are the market rate units. >> Yep.
>> Cool. What's your name again? Uh, >> you kind of have to like I hate these buttons. >> Hear me? Okay, I'll try to speak up. Um, so hello everyone. Thanks for taking the time with us tonight. Uh, my name is Connor Hughes. I work with Dynamic Traffic. Um, so we're a traffic consulting firm. We've been hired to look at the the parking ratios, look at
the redevelopment plan, and kind of ascertain the the viability of our request, which is the one per uh market rate unit. Um, so just a quick little background on myself. I'm a project manager at Dynamic Traffic. I have a professional engineering license that's in good standing in the state of New
Jersey. Um I have testified in front of many other boards including uh the planning board here in Rosel Park for the uh credit union that's currently um I think it was actually just finished construction. Yep. >> Um just recently across the street from this site. Um so I've been accepted as an expert witness in traffic engineering
at number of other boards and including your planning board. Um so for this project what we did initially um currently the redevelopment plan is contemplating as we know 1.5 spaces per unit. Um we're looking to uh hopefully amend that down to one space per market
rate unit. Um so we looked at a couple different data points, a couple different items. Um there's a couple things I want to um just note first. So this site being so close to the train station we are considering it uh what is called a transit oriented development or
to um so with a transit oriented development a lot of times lesser parking is typically required and should be considered really um based on the fact that you have this uh relationship with the train station and the commuters and um that ties into the to lower
parking demands, lower trip generation um things like that. And this site obviously is directly adjacent to it. It essentially can't get any closer. Um there's also actually a bus stop right in front of the site that has service to New York City. So while that doesn't have as much of a draw, it's still for
this particular site something that's going to help lower that that overall parking demand. And >> well, I I think it's also important from a planning perspective, and I'm just going to get my you know, Sean, I don't have all the cool titles after you, but I've been I've been learning after for seven years. Part of the part of the
frustration with affordable development in the state is and and part of rightfully so some of the towns get frustrated is you have towns like I don't know Wang right where there's not necessarily a lot of public transport right um they
have affordable housing units out in the middle of nowhere right and there is no you know sometimes these folks don't have cars right because it's expensive um and public transportation becomes more and more important right so all the more reason to have it by those other modes of transportation, right?
>> Yeah, absolutely. >> How do I do? >> Yeah, very good. Thank you. >> Take my place. >> You're learning a lot. Um, but yeah, absolutely. It's important and obviously with this situation, Roselle Park brings you right into Newark Pen and obviously New York City can be accessed from
there. So, there's a lot of quick, easy access to mass transit, not only train, but also the bus stop that I mentioned um to allow these people to get to uh primarily New York City, but also other areas in in the um you know, surrounding counties, towns, downtowns, things like
that. Um so, there's a publication that New Jersey DOT published called Eliminating Barriers to Transit oriented Development. um where they define a transit oriented development as compact, mixeduse, pedestrian friendly developments within walking distance of transit stations, typically defined as a
half mile from a station. So obviously we're well within that radius. Um it's about a stones throw away, couple hundred feet. Um and then taking that a step further, there's another publication by NJ Transit. Uh this one is planning for transit friendly loose uh sorry planning for transit friendly
land use. Um, and they actually suggest a 25 to 30% reduction in the parking supply for residential developments located within what they call a transit node. And a transit node is an area within a quarter mile radius of what they call a fixed guideway station, which is like a light rail, commuter
station such as this, or rapid transit. Um, so being >> real quick, Joe, Joe and Joe, maybe you guys would know. Um there's legislation being considered also to to to cap in transit areas at one or is it le zero.
Okay. Got it. Okay. Okay. Got it. All right. So it could get not worse but could get more dramatic. Right. Okay. >> It's pending legislation but within a half a mile of the train station there would be zero parking parking. Yeah. >> Or on-site parking.
>> Yeah. And that ties into the idea that around these mass transit hubs that less less parking is required and and needed. You look at places like Jersey City, they actually have maximum parking requirements, not minimums >> um to help really facilitate, you know, more reliability on mass transit and
less demand for um you know actual vehicles. And a lot of times when you do have a lesser parking demand, it it tends to attract tenants that don't have a car. um if a you know somebody that has two cars and they come to look at this apartment building and find out you know they're not going to have spaces
for the car, chances are they're going to go look elsewhere. Um so it really would lend itself to, you know, users and tenants that do have less vehicle occupancy and may or may not even have a car uh for their daily commuting. Um so we did look at a couple other data
points as well. Um first one being the Institute of Transportation Engineers parking generation. Um, I'm sure you've heard these before, but essentially they set forth um average parking demand rates based on their own empirical counts at a number of uh different
research sites throughout the country. Um, so they come up with average parking demand rates per unit, per square footage depending on the use. So in this case, we looked at um the multif family low-rise use. Um, so I'll start with what I'm calling their standard rates,
which is outside half a mile of transit. Um based on the IT data, this would equate to um a parking ratio of 1.04 spaces per unit. Um but when you factor in the 25% reduction mentioned in the um
NJ transit publication about being a transit node, that gets reduced to around 08 per unit. Um it does also have data specifically within half a mile of rail transit. Uh which would equate to a parking demand of point just about 0.9
per unit. Um, so little higher than that 25% reduction with the standard rates, but generally in the same uh ballpark and less than that one per unit that we'd be seeking. Um, and then we did also look at some local data as well around the the burrow um for other
multif family developments within a half mile of walking distance to the train station. Um there was a total of nine different sites that we looked at and we found that an average part there's an average parking supply of 1.13 vehicles or spaces uh per unit. Um but again when
you take the 25% reduction for being within a quarter mile that would get reduced to uh around 085 per unit. Um so there's clearly not only locally but nationally um a precedent for having these types of parking requirements and
and parking supplies. Um and again having this lesser requirement would help and likely attract uh users and tenants that do have less vehicles. Um so you know just based on all those facts we do feel that the one per unit is certainly viable and and it's
consistent with um other developments not only in the area but up along New Jersey Transit in the state um as well as many other transit hubs. So, um, if there's any specific questions, I'd be >> Can I ask one logistical question? Because I think we've had in the past,
um, I actually think we've we've dealt with a decent amount of it, but what has happened in the past is certain developers have had you would have a unit and then you weren't necessarily getting a parking space, right? So, the people you you pay
whatever $2,000 a month for the unit and then $125 for the parking space. Um, and what happens with that is people are just like screw it, I'll try and park on the street, right? Um, is the intent if we do one to one that at least every
market rate unit would get one parking space? >> Uh, we hadn't gotten to to that level, but that's something we would be happy to discuss with the municipality. >> Cool. >> Any questions? >> Sure. So, just just to kind of sum everything up, um at the end of the day,
we really think our our goal is aligned with yours. We want a viable project. I I assume you guys want a viable project. Uh a project that advances your affordable housing plan. Um and something that really has long-term benefits to the burrow. Um, so what we we what we would respectfully request is
if the council would consider um reintroducing the ordinance at your next meeting, um, which I believe is September 4th, uh, with some amendments to the these parking requests and that setback request. Um, and then refer that to the land use board to see if they have any additional comments and then
and then readopt the plan. So that would be our request. Um, we're excited. We're committed. We really want to work with with all of you on what your vision for that would be and to help out the town. >> I just need clarity on one thing. Sure. Yeah. >> Uh, so what's the what's your guys' proposal for the parking? Uh, because I
did hear a lot of the statistics and stuff and I'm I'm very open to uh finding that middle ground for uh this development or project to exist. But um I without getting too negative, I didn't like uh some of the uh things that were
mentioned, but I'm not opposed. One thing has nothing to do with another like the legislation. That's another animal. That's another another beast. But I know what to do for that. So I'm not worried about that right now. Um just what's your proposal from the 1.5? Let's just let's just cut to the chase
and let's get right there. Our request would be to to move it to one one parking spot per market rate unit and to eliminate the fourth floor setback in the as the plan has been avail. >> Okay. So right now it's at 1.5. So what
what what are we proposing 1.35 1 >> what we're asking for is one one >> one to one >> one to one market rate. >> Okay. I'm done. Okay, cool. Yeah, let's um so what we can do is we could have you guys speak to them about the
proposed language. We can talk offline about it and you know goal would be to put it on the agenda um with something that can move forward. >> Thank you. And we're happy I'm very easy to reach. I'm happy to share my information with anyone um if you have any additional questions or need more information.
>> Cool. Thank you. Thanks, guys. >> Thank you for your time. Yep. >> Uh, okay. Moving along. May I have a motion to approve meeting minutes pending corrections? >> Some moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I.
>> I. >> Uh, may I have a motion that bills and payrolls be not read and passed for payment? >> Some moved. >> Second. >> Uh, all in favor? >> I. >> Uh, may I have a motion to open the public portion on agenda items only? >> So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? Hi. >> Hi.
>> Uh, would anybody like to come up and speak? Agenda items. >> How you doing? George Ramirez, 500 East Clay. Uh, so about this redevelopment, can we ask questions to Negle and Tag or No? >> Nope. You could ask questions to me.
>> Okay. Um, when did TAG get involved with this project? Oh, when did TAG get involved with this project? Uh, well, officially they're still not a conditional redeveloper, so there's no official involvement. Um, I
guess we first started discussing uh Q1 this year. >> What day? >> Sorry. >> What day? >> Like January, February? >> January. Yeah, probably January. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, this has been started since
January for a building that isn't even up for sale yet? >> No. >> Or it's not up for sale period? >> No. Yeah. >> Do they know that that the build Do you guys know that the building's not up for sale? >> Again, you can direct questions to me, the chair. >> Okay.
>> Uh, >> do they know that the building's not up for sale? >> Yeah. So, we can do a study for feasibility of a development on anything, whether it's up for sale or not. I could do a study on this building right now. Doesn't mean it's up for sale. It means that once the stud is
done, if it is up for sale, then that is what could be be built there. It's as simple as that. >> The redevelopment study was done by Neglia. >> What does that have to do with anything? >> So, TAG development is here asking for variations and setbacks and all of that.
That's not part of a study. That's part of a development project. Yeah, that's part of a request is they see what's going on and they would like to develop there and economically it's not viable as constructed. So they're making requests. Council can say yes or no.
>> So how is tag development here part of a study? You just said they're here for part of a study. We can do a study. >> I I never said they're part of the study. We did our study independently. >> We we're able to do a study on a piece of property, you said, right? >> Yes. Mhm. >> Okay. So, how is that them asking for
different parking situations and setbacks part of a study? >> It's part of the plan. We're we're we introduced a plan and we're going to adopt a plan potentially and then you adopt an agreement. What they're saying is the parameters the outcome of the study is a proposed plan. The outcome of
that the parameters of that plan means there's not a viable project right now economically and they're asking us if we're going to move forward to consider different parameters of the plan. Mayor, it's not of the building. It's of the area. It's a redevelopment plan for the area. >> Correct. Thank you very much for that.
That means Yeah, that means a lot. That's a that's a big difference. You said of the building and it's not of the building is of the lot is of the lots. We do redevelopment of lots, not buildings. >> Lot 510 Chester Street, which is the lot which is owned by the board of ed. >> Absolutely. But that's a redevelopment
area, not not a property. And I'm not trying to I'm just trying to get clarity for you. I'm just trying to get clarity. But >> you're talking about a specific property, but that's an area of redevelopment. >> But once again, I we did a redevelopment study on the other of the part of the
downtown with the movie theater. Uh none of that's for sale. >> Okay. >> It's I mean it's state law. >> A developer here asking you for setbacks and and parking situation variances and all of that or no? >> What is it? What is the question here,
George? I don't get where you guys are putting bringing developers here for something that's not for sale. That's my I'm trying to understand how you guys are correlating how like why is this on step six when we haven't even done step
one yet which is put the property up for a vote >> by the board of ed for it to be sold. So, if if a piece of property was sold, would you agree or not agree that the determination of the value of that lot would be heavily influenced by what
could be built there? >> Yes. But you're not asking for >> No, no, no, no. So, so if I say So, if the town says it's only zoned for a one-story uh coffee shop, that makes the land less valuable than if it's a sevenstory
skyscraper. Is that correct? >> That's correct. So then how would anybody correctly value it without that? >> Is that your jurisdiction? Is that your say? >> It's my jurisdiction to say what can be zoned there 100%. It's this governing bodies. >> So what about the board of ed? >> The board of eds can decide whether or not they want to sell it or do a land
swap. That's their jurisdiction. In no way is this forcing anybody to do anything. There is no condemnation on this. This study could this plan this plan could sit there for the next 20 years and then if board of ed in 15 years decides to sell it or do whatever
then that plan is still in force. They are under no compulsion to do that. I cannot do that. Nobody on council can do that. It's up to them. >> Is tag development the same uh people that have 441 East Westfield under contract? >> I don't even know what building that is.
>> The one that you showed on uh January 5th. I have no idea whether or not it's under contract. >> It is under contract. >> That's news to me. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Anybody else like to come up and speak? >> Okay. I have a motion.
Oh, we do. All right. Thank you for the catch. Where's the bottles of water? Where's the water? >> I'm I'm dying right now, bro. >> I'm about to drink this hand sanitizer. >> What percent alcohol content is that? problem.
>> Yes, sir. >> Mil Woodruff, 134 Bender Avenue, Roseell Park. >> Mhm. >> My question pertains to 26220-2, the fourth round of affordable housing.
>> Okay. Uh it seems like we have something like $1.4 million set aside for affordable housing. >> Yep. >> And we're allocating how much per unit as a a subsidy? >> I don't think it works that way in the trust fund necessarily. What are we
spending the 1.5 on? There's a spending plan associated with it. But give me in broad strokes. >> This is the spending plan. >> Yeah. Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. But in broadstrokes, we're not subsidizing through this any direct units. >> Well, it would be there's a there's a rehab component. >> Yeah. So, so we would the the rehab program, right? So, if you're in a
certain income bracket and you want to rehab your program, we give what? $20,000. >> $25,000. >> So, that's part of what the money goes to. Okay. >> Right. Then there's an affordable assist affordability assistance component, right? And that there it completely depends on what you're subsidizing.
But also in the computation there I I see interest on they talk about fees over the next 10 or 12 years and that's an earned 2% or about roughly I think 66,000 over the period of time but I
don't take any calculation for the 1.4 million which is in a fund. Why is there no calculation for that? Well, I mean part of if I could. So part of the reason for that would be that the balance is ultimately but but but the
balance is ultimately changeable at any given time. >> You want to load Lindsay? >> Yeah, sure. >> Why is that why is that not invested at 2%. >> Well, I could I could call up AMX and get it maybe 4%. But the point my my point is if I withdraw a million dollars
today because of a rehab program, the the interest that you would be projecting is much different. Absolutely. But at least how would you calculation plus I don't see any allocation or allowance for compounding you know you put the amount of uh
earnings per year and the fee you know it's not going to spend every year not going to spend it every year you'd have comp you would have compounding the interest on that and so is the other >> but it's makes no sense that you would not >> I I I'll Lindsay is definitely more of
the expert than I am. But it's not a static 1.4 million in this fund. It's not it's not it it will eb and flow over time. In fact, most of that money was not put in the fund by the municipality. >> So why are we not getting interest on that? >> So that should be part of this
calculation. >> So the way the spending plan is done is because we have to basically predict how much money is going to be coming into this plan um into this account. It's affordable housing trust fund over the next 10 years. we don't necessarily know
all of the projects which acrue um deposits into the affordable housing trust fund. So when you it's basically an exercise that you're doing using what is existing and what is anticipated and you're going on the conservative side
because you don't want to commit to having much more money in there than you actually do. So the intention of it is to try to predict how much money based on the previous interest that we've earned as well as the previous deposits that we've received from projects all
kind of in hypothetical is the is your point we should put it in a different bank account. >> Yeah. But I also don't see >> any calculation of the 1.4 million that's going to sit there and you're not going to spend all at once. So why is there no allowance for that?
>> So the the 1.4 4 can only be spent in certain ways. The state only allows you to use certain percentages towards affordability assistance, other emergent funds, um administrative um accounts. So, you have to use that money and then if you read through it, you see how the
different percentages are broken down. And we do have to use all of the money in the fund prior to the next round of affordable housing. Otherwise, that money gets given back to the state and they use it for their own affordable housing endeavors. So the money will be
used but this is just showing as um this is just showing how over the next 10 years it will be allocated and how it will potentially be spent. >> That's wonderful. But still there's no allowance for earnings on that 1.4
million. >> But there are so so there are I think the there there are at $6,500 $6,600. The point I think you're making >> it's on the dues they're gonna the additional fees they're going to collect according to your report. >> But
>> what are we talking about here $1,000? >> So we have development fees on this report. So those are development fees are based on if you do work within the municipality that goes there's an affordable housing trust fund that you have to pay into. The other way that this is acrewing money is through I'm
finishing my statement. Um the other way is through the interest that is accured over time based on the deposits. So you get in the way this is this the way this math is done based on the state legislation and the way we are required to do it based on the state's
requirements is you do the interest based on the deposits. >> I I think I get your point but unfortunately you're out of time. Yeah. >> Thank you. Anybody else? Okay, I'm seeing no one. May I have a
motion to close the public portion? >> No. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I I um >> Ken Andrew, >> me. Yeah, I'm I'm Jay tonight. >> Okay. >> Uh just real quick, mayor, just a
reminder, uh August 1st, bills are due by Thursday the 28th without interest. >> Andrew, anything? No. Okay. There are no ordinances for second reading. Oh, may I have a motion to accept the reports of departments as submitted? >> So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? I.
>> There are no ordinances for second reading. Uh, Mr. Clerk, please read ordinance number 2828 by title. >> Yes, mayor. Ordinance 2828 is an ordinance for introduction ordinance adopting the 129 and 133 Westfield Avenue redevelopment plan pursuant to the local redevelopment housing law NJSA4812A-1.
The land use board reviewed this redevelopment plan, found it to be consistent with the municipality's master plan and provided no recommendations for amendment. >> Um, may I have a motion to approve ordinance number 2828 for introduction and fix the date for second reading and public hearing as September 4th, 2025? >> So moved.
>> Second there any discussion? >> Yeah. Can we just go over the plan or and explain the >> Lindsay? You want to get Yeah. You might as want to swap seats. This is >> all right. Yeah. So, I can definitely go over the plan. So, this is for an area
that was already designated as an area need um of redevelopment. However, instead of using the entire area, um this plan is just for what we're calling area A and it is two parcels that are within that entire area on Westfield A.
Those are block 606 lots 31 and 32. Um a lot of what is written in this document are state requirements. So, that information um is in there. But most importantly, we have items showing the relation back to the master plan and the consistency with it, which the land use board found it to be consistent with.
Um, these properties specifically are located currently in the B3 arterial business district. Um, and then they are surrounded by the R1 single family residence um, kind of directly behind them. So, we put all the information in there so you could see what is existing
and then we go and we put on what is being proposed. So, um I want to emphasize that this is obviously contributing to the affordable housing um housing element, fair share plan, but this is also a building that is going to be age restricted living. So, it's 55 plus with a 20% set aside for age
restricted housing. Um and with that being said, we made some modifications to the existing zone to make sure that it goes from a business kind of use to a mixeduse um use. So, we made modifications to the zoning to allow for that. Um some of those specific ones are
moving the front yard setback a little bit closer to the street than what is currently permitted, but that's um along Westfield A. That's like quite common. Um it's a downtown corridor, so having those um buildings closer to the street is actually quite good for the pedestrian scale. Um so the minimum
front yard setback would be 5T. Um the minimum rear yard would be 25 feet which is um allowing for a buffer to be placed along the rear yard as well as a landscape buffer which we are requiring because of the residential uses behind it. Um we have a maximum of age
restricted units of 46 units like I said with a 20% set aside. Um this building can go as high as 50 feet five stories which is lower than what is currently permitted in that business district. Um and then also they can have a parapit height of 10 feet. Um, we did a lot of
talking about parking today. So, just to put into perspective, the parking requirements for this are 1.17 spaces per unit. Um, and that also allows for a set aside of 24 compact spaces. So, those are going to be smaller spaces.
Um, the typical parking space is 9 by8. That's RSIS requirements. We do find that sometimes there are smaller vehicles that can fit in there. Um, so that's why the compact spaces are existing and are going to be permitted. Um, as we move along in the document, we have landscaping buffers and open space.
So, part of the redevelopment plan and one of the better parts of doing redevelopment work is you now have control over things like the landscape design, the design of the building, the design guidelines, the sidewalk, the streetscapes, things like that. Um, where you can really emphasize important features of your downtown and kind of
start creating a uniformed look across the board. So, we created um some landscaping guidelines, lighting guidelines. As you can say see, we really emphasize sidewalks, pedestrian access, and streetscape improvements to really ensure that Westfield A is going to be a pedestrian friendly place. Um,
finally, we have signage requirements, um, building facade design, and then in addition to this, we will require there be a phasing plan. So, we when they come to the land use board, they're required to bring a phasing plan so they will understand kind of the phasing of the process of the work. And then finally, a
traffic study as well because being as busy as Westfield is, we think it's important to understand the trip generations that are going to be occurring with this new development. Um, I kind of ran through that pretty quickly. Um, the final pieces are general provisions which are just really requirements for state statute. So, if
you do have any questions, I am happy to >> I have one. Yeah. Is it also going to be used for veterans there or is it just >> So there isn't any um right now there's no requirement for there to be veterans but um right now we are just developing
the zoning requirements. So we're kind of we're creating the model of what can go in there. The land use board will then still have the opportunity when they make a application to the land use board for site plan. So that's when we will have more of an idea of the
developer, the type of development, the look of it, but we're just kind of making the guidelines at this point. >> I think we can put in though a preference for veteran uh >> I think so. Affordable units. Sorry. >> In the agreement. So we can't do it at this stage, but the last stage we could put in.
>> It is definitely a possibility. Yeah. >> Yes. Absolutely. >> Question unless anyone else. >> Go ahead. Go ahead. >> Okay. I have a question. Um uh just sift through this uh briefly. Um, and I I'm I'm all right with just looking at overall the R1. I guess my concern would
be the B3 and why we separated it and and why is it six feet I mean six stories for that versus the five stories for the R1 and and one more question. Yeah. >> And uh if it is possible, how would that
affect that plan if we just made a uniform five? >> Um so the B3 is what is the existing zoning? um that is what actually allows or permits a higher um building. Um for the redevelopment plan, we're restricting the height to be a little bit lower. And I think that's just in my
experience coming to the burrow. I've noticed that there is a bit of sensitivity with height. So with there being a redevelopment plan and having that opportunity to restrict that, that's why we added that in. But if you would want it to be uniform because it is in the B3 district,
>> um it would it could be permitted to go higher. But I just I think B3 is the that's the deacto zoning for that area. >> That's so that's what the existing zoning is and but I also think the B3 zone. >> Oh, we could change the zoning for that.
That's what I was just wondering. >> So overall B3 you want it to be five stories. >> I'm I'm I'm not opposed all the way to at at all. Actually, I actually looked at the R1. It actually looks good. And uh one of my colleagues also brought to my uh to my you know it makes sense if we're going to put parking there. We
might have to give them a little bit more height to meet the requirement especially if this is going to be for seniors or people of that age group. So uh I'm not opposed to that. I just liked it to be uniform. That's all. I don't know. >> Yeah. So so Greg so we have um so the B3
is our de facto zoning there. So we would have to change the ordinance for the or the master plan. How would we change that if we were to change zoning >> ordinance amendment? >> We would need to amend >> you need to amend the >> you also do have a master plan >> update we're doing
>> update that will be occurring which could also be something we explore heights as part of that um and especially specifically um as recommendations. So that is how we could move forward with an ordinance amendment as the mayor said earlier you guys are the board that can make those changes. So, >> no one
>> but the the plan just to just to so everybody just so for a refresher for the audience too um this supersedes any of the zoning. >> So, this would be specifically those two lots the redevelopment plan will be their zoning just for those lots.
>> Yeah. >> Um everything if you're not those 31 32 you're 33 you're now the B you're still the B3 zone and the zoning does not change. So the B3 the B3 could allow for 20 stories. If we're saying it's five stories in this plan, that's what supersedes the B3 zoning.
>> Yes. >> Is there any setback on the fifth floor? >> Um I think we have in design guidelines, we have articulations. So we um in our design guidelines, we require that there be a break up in the facade between both
materials as well as kind of articulation. So it's not just one monolith structure. That's what we're really trying to avoid as well. Like once again, going back to the pedestrian scale, if you're walking past the building, you don't want to walk past this just flat wall, right? So, that's
the intention. Um, and then also having um kind of entrances articulated, things like that to make it a more welcoming space. >> Got it. And then it's going to be senior housing, but 55 plus, but only 20% is
affordable. So, affordable senior housing. >> Affordable senior housing. So rest is whatever the regular market rate it's going to be. >> Yeah. So I do like the senior plan. It was just I would be more in favor if it
was 100% senior, you know, living um more afford 100% affordable housing for seniors. >> Yeah. So we've we've explored this in the past, not at this site. Um, and you know, I don't know, Joe, if you want to come up for a second, but I I don't know
if it's part for the course, but what I could say is the projects that we've had that um have been planned for 100% affordable. >> There needs to be something from there needs to be like federal funding or HUD funding or something like that. There's
typically some kind of um or from yeah federal federally funded hood or and that creates like a different >> so like theoretically the one that we were going to do by the DPW site this was way before us the they were going to have Catholic charities do that that was
going to be 100% affordable but they had HUD funding to back that to subsidize it. >> Yeah. In my experience, it's it's mostly HUD will be do a lot of the municipalities I work in that >> and um I'm not certain if I I could I'm not perfect. I could misread things
sometimes, but um besides the 100% and the backing um I'm not sure was there's some type of strict guidelines under the um um the affordable housing where uh we can't probably make the developers go beyond like 30% or something to that
nature. Is that true? Or uh uh >> is there a max that we could force a developer to do? >> Yeah, because I think I recall reading something like that because I was trying to see what I could I don't know. >> I think in the context of redevelopment, your concern would really more be designing a plan that's going to be
feasible for a developer to actually construct a project. Sort of the same concerns we had before. So realistically, if you come back and you say this lot requires only 100% affordables, you're going to be having a lot of conversations about financial agreements, other credit support from
the municipality, and other ways that that developer could seek financial assistance to make that project feasible and possible to be developed. So, you know, I think that is probably where you would reach your bottleneck
more so than, you know, your ability to design it that way. >> But I I do share uh my colleague over there. I would like 100% too, just for the record. But I was just trying to see if I read something wrong or something. >> Yeah. No, I think you're really trying to have actual affordable units be
constructed. And so, you know, you need the project to be built to have the units be there for people. So, if you design a box that isn't going to actually result in a project, you're going to have zero units as opposed to um >> and I think it also go Sorry to interrupt you. I think it also goes back
to funding as well, right? It's either 100% affordable or it's the 20% that makes it a viable project. And I think the 20% is what you see most commonly across the board because it's the way the developers have been able to be successful. That's kind of the threshold
of being able to have the affordable units while also having a successful project. >> Although they could add a part of a community benefit agreement like if they wanted to go past a little bit, they they could do that if they wanted to the developers as a part of the community benefit agreements that we have in place.
>> Um yeah, I think we would have to though. So the community develop the community of benefit agreement we have in place that happens at the agreement stage I think right or the site >> application stage >> at the applica file application stage. So what we would have to do is we'd have
to increase the affordable housing contri or the affordable housing number in the plan to allow for that to be higher via contribution. Um I again look I understand the the thought behind all this guys
>> mindsets just the minimum. >> Oh this Oh so because they could they could go high. Yes they could >> they could just to be nice. Excuse me. >> If they wanted to put that a part of the application >> also that's another option. I'm just just throwing it out there. >> But you're right. Yeah. As part as part of that if they say
>> I'm not I'm not here to be pro this or pro that. I'm just here to lay the facts down. That's all. >> Yeah. No you're right. Mhm. Yep. Uh yeah. Yeah, but I think Andrew, what was the story? So they Catholic Charities had the project ready to go and then HUD HUD backed out.
>> Well, it's a it so for the site uh adjacent to the DPW um it was a it was a 100% uh fully affordable senior housing project. It started out as 100 units. Um and the
story is over time was Catholic Charities Domus Corporation. There's a great plan for the site. it was going to be affordable senior housing. Um, and it never happened because they couldn't acquire the funding. Every application they had before HUD could not be fully funded to make the project viable. So
over time, and it was reflected in our affordable housing documents, over time that number went from 100 to 90. I think ultimately the last iteration was 60 and they still couldn't attain the funding levels from HUD uh to build a 60unit building. And ultimately, we all know
the project didn't happen. Y >> and that's exactly kind of what's being talked about now is you could say you want you could want to build build the freedom tower there. It's not necessarily going to happen. Um and in this case we wanted to build or the burrow over time has wanted to build you know dozens of affordable housing units
on that site and it just didn't happen because the economics >> y >> didn't dictate even with public funds didn't didn't dictate that it could happen. Uh >> any further discussion or questions? >> Okay, we're ready to vote.
Okay, call the roll. >> Councilman Petroski, >> yes. >> Councilman Johnson, >> yes. >> Councilman Sigurella, >> yes. >> Councilman Marine is not here. Counciloman Lions, >> yes. >> Councilman Patel, >> no. Or votes in the affirmative, one in the negative. The ordinance is
introduced. All this all matters listed with an asterisk are considered to be routine and non-controversial by the council and will be approved by one motion. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless a member of the governing body so requests in which case the item will be removed from the consent agenda and considered in its normal sequence on
the agenda as part of the general orders. Please call the please read all resolutions by title. >> Yes, mayor. Resolution 24825 is awarding a contract to Portoino Builders LLC for improvements for the project improvements to Laurel Avenue pursuant to the base bid in the amount not to
exceed $318,534.80. Resolution 24925 is awarding a contract to Portfino Builders for the project improvements to Warren Avenue pursuant to the base bid an amount not to exceed $248,362. Resolution 25025 is approving the time due calculation in terms of final
payment for Zahir base. Resolution 25125 is approving the timed due calculation in terms of final payment for Mark Juscoula. Resolution 25225 is reauthorizing an interlocal agreement with the county of union for a drug recognition expert callout program.
Resolution 25325 is expressing intent to adopt a storm water infrastructure maintenance contribution ordinance to enhance the burrow of Rosel Park's storm drain system and ensure regulatory compliance. Resolution 25425 is affirming the appointment of Andrew J. Caias as municipal housing liaison for
the Bur Rosal Park. Resolution 25525 is ratifying and affirming the emergency procurement of repairs to the Bur Rosal Park sanitary sewage system along East Grand Avenue pursuant to NJSA48 colon 11-6. Resolution 25625 is approving the time due calculation in terms of final
payment for Michelle Bof. Resolution 25725 is authorizing the burough clerk to auction unclaimed vehicles. Resolution 258-25 is authorizing application for the 2025 Union County Kids Recreation Trust Fund grant. Resolution 25925 is authorizing application for the 2025 Greening Union
County grant. Resolution 26025 is granting permission to American Legion Post 60 to operate a social affair permit granted by the New Jersey Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control in Michael J. Mory Park as part of the Burough Rosa Parks 2025 October Fest celebration fellet celebration resolution 26125
is authorizing the treasure to issue one check totaling $1,39152 payable to one lean holder and one property and on one property and one check totaling $600 from the tax collector's premium account. Resolution 26225 is approing approving a fourth
round affordable housing trust fund spending plan and requesting program and court approval of the spending plan. Resolution 26325 is accepting the resignation of Eric Kennedy from the Rosal Park Fire Department. Resolution 26425 is appointing Morris Barentos Diaz as a
member of the Rosal Park Fire Department. Resolution 26525 is appointing Sydney Stamboli to the position of high school counselor. Resolution 26625 is appointing Antonius Scamangis as a to the position of high school counselor. Resolution 26725 is appointing Luchia Reeri to the position
of high school counselor. 26825 is appointing Maline Hemingway to the position of high school counselor. 26925 is appointing Unice Arvalo to the position of high school counselor. Resolution 27025 is appointing Madison Patans to the position of high school
counselor. Resolution 27125 is appointing Diane Castro to the position of high school counselor. 27225 is appointing Steven Gossma to the position of high school counselor. 27325 is a red designating a conditional redeveloper for the property identified as block 503
lots 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 and 10 of the municipal MAC tax map commonly known as 525 Locust Street 58 West Lincoln Avenue 56 West Lincoln Avenue 54 West Lincoln Avenue 50 West Lincoln Avenue 40 West Lincoln Avenue 38 West Lincoln Avenue 34 West Lincoln Avenue 515 Locust Street
and 501 to 511 Locust Street along with all pertinent streets and rights of way and authorizing the execution of an interim cost agreement with respect there too. Resolution 27425 was already voted on. 27525 is granting permission to Ding's Irish
Pub and Restaurant to operate a premises extension permit granted by the New Jersey Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control on a portion of William Street for a 10-year anniversary and halfway to St. Patrick's Day celebration. Okay. Do any members wish to have any items removed from the consent agenda?
>> Yes, mayor. 253 and 256. >> Hold on. Hold on. 253 256. >> John, what' you say? >> Uh 273 >> and uh 275. >> Okay. >> And 250. >> 250.
>> I was going to say I got it. I'm on point. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> I have them. So, we are we're pulling 250, 253, 256, 273, and 275. >> Yes. >> And 249. Did somebody say 249? No, I don't. >> I'm writing that down for nothing. >> You want 249?
>> No. No. >> Oh. Oh, I want 249. That's why I said that. Yeah, I want 249. >> Uh, okay. May I have a motion to approve the resolutions remaining on the consent agenda? >> So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Uh, may I have a motion to adopt resolution 249-25? >> So moved.
>> Second. >> Uh, just real quick question. Um, as part of this, you're going to hate this question. Uh, do we have trees as part of the bid? Just because Warren is like bare and barren. I know we we I know we have other plans, but it might just be a way to kill those. >> I don't believe that trees were part of
the bid, but um this project has come in so under bid uh >> probably flex it. >> We can probably uh there's there's existing funds. >> Okay. >> So, just to set context, when we estimated this project, um it was uh
much higher uh partially because of ashvault prices and the price of oil. So, um, now, uh, things have changed a little bit since the time of the budgeting cycle and, um, all of the bids came in pretty even with each other. So,
this wasn't an abnormally low and, um, those funds still exist that we budgeted. So, uh, we can we can flex it a little bit. >> Okay, cool. That's all. >> Awesome. >> Uh, please call the roll. >> Councilman Petroski, yes. Councilman Johnson, Councilman Singer, Councilwoman
Lions, yes. Councilman Patel, yes. Five votes in the affirmative. Mayor, the resolution is adopted. >> Have a motion to adopt resolution 250-25. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Is there any discussion? >> I need to abstain. >> Yes, sir. >> Please call the role. >> Yes. Mayor. >> Councilman Petroski.
>> Yes. >> Councilman Johnson is abstaining. >> Councilman Signarella. >> Yes. >> Councilwoman Lions. >> Yes. >> Councilman Patel. >> Yes. >> Four votes in the affirmative, one abstension. The resolution is adopted. >> Okay. May I have a motion to adopt resolution 253-25? >> So moved. >> Second.
>> Is there any discussion? just uh thank Councilman Jay for bringing this thought process to council. Thank you. >> He's not even here to take a victory lap on this one. >> He's he's watching it from >> watching from >> Just thank him.
>> Please call the role. >> Councilman Petroski? >> Yes. >> Councilman Johnson? Yes. Councilman Sigella? Yes. >> Councilman Councilwoman Lions? >> Yes. >> Councilman Patel. Yes. >> Five votes in affirmed. Mayor, the resolution is adopted. I >> have a motion to operate resolution 256-25. >> So move second. Is there any discussion? >> Yes. I just like to thank uh Michelle
for many years of service to the burrow. I think she started in the library, worked her way into uh >> finance >> in finance and then to PD. I think it's 23 years. I I I I whatever. But I just I
I worked with her many years as a fire chief. She's done a good service to the burough Rosa Park. I I wish her many luck, happiness in retirement. But she she was a a model employee for the burough Russell Park. Thank you, Michelle. >> Okay. Uh please call the role.
>> Councilman Petroski. Yes. Councilman Johnson. Yes. Councilman Sigella. Yes. >> Councilwoman Lions. >> Yes. >> Councilman Patel. >> Yes. >> Five o mayor. The resolution is adopted. May >> a motion to adopt resolution 273-25. >> So moved. >> Second. Is there any discussion?
>> Uh quick question. So, this is um developer for the entire space, not just the the two lots. >> Yeah, we haven't done this in a minute. So, um >> Well, this is this is Hold on. Can I just Yeah, Mayor, if I could. >> I was going to try and do it, but you can do >> Well, no. I'm just saying it it is a
different property than the one we were just talking about. So this so this is the this is a conditional redeveloper designation and an interim cost agreement for the Ryan property >> not block six not the two lots on block 606 that we were referencing. So this is
this is a separate project just to be clear >> and we're just naming like the developer >> correct. So so just to I'll try >> this reszoneing. No. So, basically, so the the redevelopment plan, so the the things we've been talking about tonight are all redevelopment plans.
>> The redevelopment plan, correct me if I'm wrong, has passed for the Ryan project. >> Yes. >> Um they were named conditional redeveloper in 2020 >> 2021. >> 2021. It lapses after 12 or 18 months. Um, so basically what this does is it
names the developer the conditional redeveloper and it well the benefit of it regardless of whether or not it passes is they get to incur the cost with us again on the lawyers and planning fees and all that. Um, and then that brings us to the final stretch which is developing that redevelopment
agreement which is what is the pilot, what is going to be the contribution, what is going to be the blah blah blah like all the real minutia beats of it. So this gives them the the condition to do that and negotiate with us for that time being. Right, Joe? More or less. >> Got it.
>> Nailed it. >> Good job. >> Crushed it. >> I almost done it. >> Okay. Any further questions? >> Okie dokie. Please call the role. >> Councilman Petroski? >> Yes. >> Councilman Johnson? >> Yes. >> Councilman Sigarella? >> Yes.
>> Councilwoman Lions? >> No. >> Councilman Patel? >> No. >> Three votes in the affirmative, two in the negative. The resolution is adopted. >> Cool. Uh reports. Is that was it? No, no. 275. May I have a motion to approve
resolution 275-25? >> Oh, so move. >> Second. That's on me. Somebody said second. Greg said second. Okay, cool. Uh, any discussion? >> Yes. >> Yep. >> I just um I'm concerned with this all the time. Uh, just closing down the street. I'm obviously concerned with the
houses uh you know, with the residents that live on that street, the businesses. So, I'm just saying please reconsider because um even though I'm excited for them and 10 year anniversary and all the wonderful things that Dowlings does, I do applaud them and I
appreciate their business. Um but just closing that uh part of William Street. Um I've heard from residents and businesses that it's just um it's hard on them. So, I just wanted to say that. >> Thank you, Council. Excuse me. Any
further discussion? >> Please call the RO. >> Councilman Petroski. Yes. >> Councilman Johnson. >> Yes. >> Councilman Sigurella. >> Yes. >> Councilwoman Lions. >> No. >> Councilman Patel. >> Yes. >> Four voting affirmed and one in the negative. Resolution is adopted. >> Okay. Neato. Uh may I have what is it? Reports of burough council committees.
Uh okay. Let's start off with we're going to go reverse. Councilman Patel. >> No report. So >> my favorite kind of reports. >> Councilwoman Lions. >> Good evening. I'll make this quick. Uh good evening, mayor, council, and residents of Rosal Park and everyone
here. Um I just wanted to really um say thank you uh for the open mic nights that we uh hosted in July in uh in downtown Rosal Park. Um I really appreciate everyone that helped out. Land's music, our music um school that
we have in Rosal Park is just such a huge help. they come out and they bring the speakers and the music equipment and uh Juan, he is actually just a great asset to our community. So, um I just wanted to acknowledge him and acknowledge Rupen Shaw um just for his
direction and his help with gathering everyone and to all the performers. Um every single night was just amazing. Um, so if uh if you didn't come out, hopefully we'll have something sooner than later. But I just wanted to acknowledge that and just thank everyone
here as well. Anyone that came out and supported that, I really appreciated that. Um, and just a reminder, all the festivals that are coming up, September really starts um a really huge community event time for us. So,
um, if you're looking for some dates, I know, um, we always post it on the Rosal Park, um, burrow, uh, forum and, uh, also the community center. Rupen Shaw definitely has those dates, but there's too many to to name all at once, but they're starting in a few weeks, so
hopefully we'll see you. And, uh, that concludes my report. If you need me, our Lions at rosealpark.net 9087268773. >> Thank you, Councilwoman. Councilman Petroski. >> Thank you, Mayor. Uh, first of all, I want to send out my condolences to uh
Frank Antelli. Uh, Frank was my u uh gym teacher when I was in high school. He was also my football coach. Frank also coached uh wrestling uh softball. He was a great athlete for Roosevelt Park in
the early 60s. Um he he was the uh like I said, wrestling coach for the high school. Um, great guy. Um, was, you know, um, um, I was sad when I heard about him passing, but, uh, um, may rest
in peace. Uh, Charles Legal, >> Joseph Pla, and Annette Lara. My condolences go out to all of them. Um, quiet month. Um, uh, July 23rd, open mic. I was there.
Rosanna, great job. Uh um you know, like the former councilman used to say, we got talent. We definitely got talent in Rose Park. They did a great job. I was real uh pleased. I apologize for not making the last one. I had a meeting at
the American Legion, so I couldn't get there. Um August 5th, I attended the National Night Out. Uh Rosanna, thank you for being there. Also, um again, my hearts go out to the police department and the fire department. Um, like I
said, it was a good night. Um, the American Legion, um, just got the bathrooms done downstairs, the men's and women's room. Um, uh, I want to bring the tile union in and the plumbers. I know it's a lot. >> Oh my goodness, Joe.
>> But I do appreciate. >> Can we do it in one meeting? >> One meeting. We're going to do them both. Okay. Uh, what people might not know, these are the union workers. They volunteered their time on the Saturday. Um um didn't accept any money or
anything. Uh they came in and like they always said to me, they they would do anything for the veterans. So, I do appreciate them. And actually, Tina, your daughter was there for the first one. So, I I really appreciate what they did. And the bathrooms look great. Um I
don't know when the last time the bathrooms were done, but it's a big uh it's a big difference. and like that >> smells less >> and there's more to come just to let you know. Um uh but uh so I appreciate it. I you know and uh you made an appearance
there. >> I did. I was there. I I like Tina. I always forget how tall your daughter is. I like ran into her. Um but she did a great job there. >> Yeah. I thought the bathrooms look great there. >> Yeah. She was picking on the mayor. She's like, "Hey little guy." She wouldn't do that. I'm just kidding. If
you need to get a hold of me, you can get me at jproski rose.net >> 9086667821. And that's my report. Mayor, thank you. >> Thank you, Councilman. Councilman Johnson. >> Thank you, Mayor. Good evening, Mayor, Council, and residents. Uh the first thing I wanted to go over is just to let
the residents know that we hear your voice. Uh Junior, myself, and even uh Councilman uh Rabbina. Uh we've been there's been constant issues regarding Union and Dalton. Um, but just to reiterate, we we are listening and we
are having a lot of back and forth discussions on what we're going to do on trying to mitigate those concerns in that area regarding the catchwater basin. The second uh uh thing is um we're still listening. Uh um uh I heard a a large
cry from the community regarding the trash on Westfield A and um although my nonprofit has volunteered to do the cleanup, that doesn't mean that we're telling residents that you have to do something. Um, so I am working with
Andrew with hopefully coming up with a proposal or a resolution that this governing body can possibly vote on which will not take away the responsibility from NJ DOT but just complement it in helping uh supplement
cleanup uh because at the end of the day whether the highway goes through Roosevelt Park or not is our community. And so um hopefully uh we'll get the rest of the governing body support and uh we could probably start cleaning up on Westfield A as well as a burrow.
But the third thing that I wanted to talk about is um I wanted to give clarity to the residents of this community. Uh there's been a lot of misinformation. Um, and I'll be the first to say
initially when I took this seat, I too am and actually I still am am against apartments. However, we have to keep in mind that this is a state mandate and we had uh previous
um mayor Jodoro who took a stand on symbolism and I commend him. Um, however, it cost the burrow um, a lot of money. We got sued by the developers and then we lost control. So, my thing is I'm just trying to come up with a
solution. It's not it may not be the solution that everybody wants to hear, but that's some of the reasons why we increase the apartments to 20%. Because I don't want a lot of apartments here in Roso Park. I moved to this community. I'm originally from New York. I moved to
this community because I love that it has that town feel. I love that it's quaint. I love that it's it's everyone knows each other, you know, and things of that nature. That's one of the main reasons why I moved here. However, it is my duty as a swearing into office
to I can't die on a sword on symbolism and lose uh control. Right now, we have an opportunity to maintain control. That's why we also put a community benefits agreement in place to uh I don't want to say force, but to
ensure that our community, if we're going to be forced with this being shoved down our throats to build all these massive apartments to hold these developers accountable with uh making sure that the schools get more money, making sure that uh Rosel Park gets more
money, have a more ecoourrist community, um add some greenway, and things of that nature. So, let me tell you, this is a hard pill to swallow, but we need the community and elected officials to start taking the time to educate themselves in
this matter. Uh, we had we had a resident here earlier. He was asking a lot of great questions and I'm not opposed to those line of questions. I'm actually agree I'm in agreement with some of those questions. However, you know, property and building it does not go interchangeably. We need to
understand when when when taxes just like we said that they're uh through the pilots the schools aren't getting their fair taxes it's the same thing is a building and property land value is two different things area redevelopment is
area not buildings although I still agree with you with all the other questions uh so I'm just here again I'm not picking sides I'm not yes for them Republican all this other nonsense we've been sued already. If all three of us or
four of us say no, then guess what's going to happen? We're going to be sued again. You This is not a time for symbolism. You know what symbolism is when Junth got two people that show up and we're going to keep doing that every year. That's symbolism. This is not a sword to die on symbolism. We lost that
fight. And I'm not saying we can't keep continue fighting, but the fight is not with your local council. It's with the state legislation. So, we need to rally together and go down there. And I'll tell you, that's going to take forever to to get this fixed. We're in the fourth quarter. The
fourth we're the clock is ticking. And guess what? I don't care if uh the governor win. I don't care if Sherry, no, nobody's going to be I don't care if it's Obama, Trump. No one is going to be able to just come in here and change that overnight. That is not going to happen with this legislation that we
currently have. We have to be real. So, we have to come up with solutions, not just say no. No. And then die on the sword and get sued. Come on, guys. We have to take the time to do the reading. Not just come up
here and and just say no. Not just be out in the the bull pit and say no. What is your solution then? Because Diario already died on the sword and said no. So, we're going to repeat history. Roso Park. I don't want this to always
be a political thing. I'm tired of that locally. I don't care. I'll go against my own party. And I think I proven that. So, what I'm saying is it's supposed to be about community. So, while we in are in charge, let's make the best of getting
the most from uh these developers. Let's get some money for the schools. Let's create a a a a currency for the schools. Let's get more bike trails in here. Let's Let's get these developers to do for Rosel Park.
But all of this political divide, all of this nonsense. Let We're not focusing on community. Community. And don't come up here and repeat what someone else has said. We are in the era where we could fact
checks everyone. So fact check me. I challenge you. If you're gonna come up here and advocate, advocate with facts. Not with fiction, not with separation, not with divise.
I don't care if I lose or win. I don't want to play that. I'm for a community. I don't care if you don't believe me. But we need to really take the time to sit here and understand what pilots payment and lure c. And I and I'll
challenge anyone to a debate. We need to sit here and understand this. It's hard. I'm not saying it's easy. It's tough for me, too. I'm asking questions, too. I make mistakes up here. So, let's understand what we're dealing with. We just can't say no for
symbolism. And then we we're sued again. And guess what? The burden's on the taxpayers. And guess what? When the developers come in, we're going to have to take whatever the courts tell us. This is not rocket science. So, we got to use our
commissa. Excuse me. I need water. Thank you. So, I I'm here to go on this tangent because we really need to I'm against apartments, but I'm not against what Kanjan said about 100%. I I'm open
to these options. Let's bring up some options. At least he's bringing up an option. Don't just say no. What's your option? What's your solution? Because we already been sued. At the end of the day, I just hope everyone enjoys their summer. Let's take
a moment to really sit back and think about this. I rather control the density. I rather control the height. I rather increase the number so we could deal with less apartments. and we have a parking concern and I
don't care what this legislation is says that I'm ready to go there myself because that's nothing but political nonsense if this state of New Jersey and whoever sponsored that. Get ready. Get ready cuz I will I don't care. We will fight
for that. Get ready. We're not doing zero at no trans village. Absolutely not. So I say this to say everyone please enjoy your summer. I just want people to
take time to educate themselves instead of coming up here whether you're on the deis or whether you're down there saying stuff that is nonfactual. Please let's get our things together. But at the end of the day questions are
warranted and I love that. So please everyone enjoy your summer and mayor I I digress on my rant. If anyone needs to get in contact with me, please email me at gjsonrosseelpark.net
or you can call me at 9083031519. And let's do good for Rosel Park and not continue to chase power in seats. >> Was a damn good rant, Councilman Cigarella. >> I can't top tab, but good job, uh,
Craig. Um I I attended uh the um couple of the open mic nights. Enjoyed it. You know, it was funny. Six of those Wednesdays. It was hot as anything, right? And then Jay had a swim night. I tell you what, we needed a jacket that night. So that was a Wednesday. That was
the seventh Wednesday. But anyway, it was well attended. Uh I kind of like the Clark pool just a a tad uh better than the Cranford from last year. >> Shots fired. >> Uh huh. >> Shots fired. So anyway, I I like the Clark Pool.
Anyway, I I was a little late to the National Night Out because uh I'm part of this uh 2035 uh vision uh team that we're trying to look down the road with school board members uh the public to see what we're going to do for our
schools down the road maybe by 2035. Um, and I just wanted to also the the open mic night actually helped uh the farmers market a little too. So the people came from there that helped out. Other than that, that's that's all I
have to say and uh enjoy your late next couple weeks of summer and uh schools open uh what September 4th. So that's all I have. Have a good evening. >> Cool. Yeah, I I don't really have much to report, but I will I I think
Councilman Johnson hit a number of good things and like I I do I think people when he talks about or when we talk about having control the situation, let me tell you exactly what that means. And let's use Ramarosi here. So Ramaroski
uh got whatever affordable housing lawsuit in 2009. Luck would have it, as soon as I get elected, they start building. Great job, Mayor Sigurella. My fault, too. Um, they came in to tell us finally what the design is going to be. And, uh, the first thing that they came
up with, if you guys don't like the look of it now, you should have seen the first one. It was rough, rough, rough. >> It was vinyl siding. Yeah, it was it looked like it looked like a big single family home that they just made 200 apartment units. Um, and you know,
honestly, I was bluffing, right? Like I said, this is ugly. This doesn't look good. Uh, we we kind of used some of the redevelopment agreement that was vague, that it had to look kind of like the aesthetics of the original to twist their arm a little bit. But what Councilman Johnson's hitting on is when
the court dictates that you're delinquent on your affordable housing units, then the court decide what go what goes there and any of the nice things that you want get tossed aside, right? Like if I could redo that. I mean I I've and I've seen these places. The
one of the old buildings was beautiful, right? The old warehouse that would have been super cool lofts that were retrofit, right? Like but once you get once you say screw it, we're going to court. Your hands are in the court, right? And you don't have the ability anymore to say, "Yeah, you can do X, Y,
and Z, but we want to leave that because it's a historic building, right? Can't do that anymore." So, you know, I think I think I appreciate the the education tonight. I think it's very well said. Lord knows I've gone enough on my rants and raves here, but I think it's really important for people to see concretely
what that means is like you don't like Ramaroski. There's a lot of things I don't like about it either. And guess what? We got it that way because a judge said, "You will do 230 units and you will do it this way. Deal with it." Mic drop.
Uh any questions? Mayor Secalpark.net. Uh may I have a motion to open the public portion on any subject? >> Second. All in favor? >> I like to come up to speak on any subject matter you may do so now. >> We really need some water.
Michael Ryan, 5:15 Locust Street. Um, good evening, council, and good evening, mayor. I I want to say thank you, council, for uh having the confidence uh to uh appoint redesate me and my company
as the developer for the uh Ryan property. Um uh >> so one night you didn't bring your model, too. of all times >> after you made fun of it. >> George, that's a I'm having a good night tonight. >> Well, yeah, I hope you see a lot more
than the model uh eventually. And I and I really I uh I think the development around the train station is the most important projects that are uh going to happen in Rosal Park, you know, probably for the next hundred years uh until
transportation changes. Uh when I started this you planning for this project, I I told the architect to uh do not consider cost but let is work on something that is going
to be uh valuable to the town, admired by the town and uh and an asset and uh you know I think when you you know if you compare this to all the other things that have been done in town you you know you can see that it's you know there's a
a lot of restraint and attention to the uh to the aesthetics and to what it's going to give to uh to Rosal Park. I I I'm I'm grateful for the opportunity. I I I'm sure that all the the people that
are doubtful or, you know, against this, you know, in time will recognize this as something to be proud of. And uh and that's what I intend to do. So, I just I want to thank you for giving me the chance and thank you know, have a good evening.
>> There's always a lot of squawking, Mike, and then people see it and the squawking stops happen because it's just it's never as bad as people make it out to be. >> Well, that's what I intend to do. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Cool. Best of luck. Yes, sir. Name and address for the
record. >> Mil Woodruff, 134 Bender Avenue, Roseel Park. I'm not sure if if this is the right format, but I do have one issue that I'd like to bring before the council.
We got electric bikes, mopeds, scooters, and everything else going around and no helmets, failing obey the laws, going the wrong way, and really causing a
major safety hazard because they do what the hell they want. And there's too many of them that just have no helmets and keep on going. In fact, the other day I was going down the street and one came off the sidewalk between two parked
cars. I must have missed him maybe by a foot. Could have easily been a very serious accident. >> I don't know if this is the right format or form to bring up before. >> Got the public safety committee here on my right. I'm sure they can bring it up
with the chief and we can step up enforcement there. >> Pass the law or whatever. >> Why? There's already law. You got to put your helmet on. We just got to make sure we enforce it. >> What's that? >> There's already law. You need to wear a helmet. >> I I'll bring it up to the chief during the next meeting.
>> We'll bring it up to a three on the committee. >> That's it. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. 500 East Clay George Ramirez. So the apartments um >> right now we've got the two Meridia projects. >> Yep.
>> And the My Place. How many of those apartments are readily available now for renting? Like total? So, all of them at the first Meridia, which is 210. >> You got 210. >> Yep. Uh, and then of the ones I'm just going to ballpark it at Ramaroski, it's
200 units. Half of that is uh 100. Call it 100 units are activated there. >> 100 >> ballpark. And then of the latest Meridia, there's 325. Again, >> they're all available. >> They're all available. So, 325. So, >> 325. So, you have about
>> 635. Mhm. Meanwhile, so far there's about 80 students from those 635. >> Yep. >> So from the 635, >> can we break up those 80 students for a second, though? So So of those 80 students, about 20 of them are in prek, right? Which I think is an important
distinction because prek is optional. >> Yeah. All right. No, it's optional, but >> it's optional for the the town to opt in. >> Are those 20 prek kids, are they in our school system or no? >> Yeah, they're in our school system. >> So they're we're paying for it. >> Okay. Sure. Yeah.
>> All right. So, out of those 635, we've got about 80 students. >> Yep. >> On an average of 20 thou 22,000 per student is about 1.6 million, right? >> I I think look, the the math that you
guys do on this is always like erroneous and silly. And the idea that they so these buildings are paying for the property taxes do contribute to the school system. I I understand where you're going. It's It's faulty. >> Property taxes contribute to the school system. >> Excuse me. >> You said the property tax.
>> Property taxes. Yes. On the land. >> Okay. How much How much is the property taxes on the land for say the first Meridia? >> Uh 80,000. >> What is it? 40. >> Whatever. I have no idea. >> How much is it? >> I don't know off the top of my head. >> 80. Call it call it 100.
>> Sure. Yeah. >> It's a lot less than 1.6 million. I >> I would challenge that 1.6 million number. But sure. >> All right. >> Yeah. How much would we collect for a proposed building where the uh board of ed building is now? How much would we collect?
>> So, hypothetically, >> yeah, so the proposed building actually uh we're going to give most of the pilot money to them. >> Okay, that wasn't my question. How much would we collect? >> Uh it so the pilots pilot steps up every year, right? So, it's hard to say,
right? So, the first year it could be $100,000. The sec it's a portion of whatever the revenue is. >> All right. So if we go by how many apartments we have rented so far plus how many students are coming there that's what roughly >> 13 15%
>> y >> of students from the apartments. >> Okay. >> So if we do 55 apartments which is what it's slated for now. >> Yep. >> That's what six seven students seven students call it. >> How how do you get the math to six seven students?
>> 55. >> Can we also say context? What what is what is 80 students in comparison to the entire student population? >> So, hold on. >> It's 1%. >> Just want to let you know that 1%. >> No, we're talk. But the 1% houses are paying for that. Don't worry about that. >> Yeah. Okay. Got it.
>> So, we've got >> Not every but not every house. >> Yeah. Do you want to pay Do you got You got kids. I don't have kids. Talking about apartments. I should lower my taxes and you should pay more. We're just talking about apartments right now. >> I don't want to I don't want No, no. I don't want to pay $5,000. >> I don't want to pay $5,000 for your
kids. I should stop. Is that the math? 6. Okay. >> So, we have to make over a h 100,000 for that one building for it to break even. >> Again, your math is flawed. >> It's not the way it works. >> That's not how it works. >> If you take >> That's the statistics. >> That's not how it works. It's not how it
works. I got to stop you. It's not how it works. >> How what works? How >> So, it doesn't work. >> Explain. So, let's let's talk. Let's be transparent. >> Okay. So, how many stu how many So, you talked about 635 apartments, >> correct? How many students would come from 635 houses?
>> 80. Well, no, we're just talking about apartments. >> I know, but I want to talk about houses. >> We're going to compare apples to apples now out. >> We're talking about students and where they come from. >> So, there's 80 students from the apartments. >> Yeah, you guys are out of time. You're out of time. You're both out of time. You're both out of time. It's fun discussion. Bad math.
>> All right. Bad math. >> Anybody else? >> Okay. Hey, I'm seeing no one. May I have a motion to close the public portion? >> So moves. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Uh, okay. There are no matters for close session this evening. May I have a motion to adjurnn? >> So move. >> Second.
>> All in favor? All right.