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please call the RO councilman Petroski here councilman Johnson pres councilman signorella here councilman Rina pres councilwoman Lions here councilman Patel here mayor signorella here all present mayor uh opening prayer Pledge of Allegiance Eternal God grant us thy help in all our duties and perplexities we
ask for thy guidance give us thy protection in our dangers and sorrows grant us thy peace amen I to flag the United States of America and to the republ for it stands one nation under God indivisible with
liberty and justice for all uh okay uh couple proclamations tonight um we have uh recognizing Black History Month Rod where you at come on up man look um so I was gonna have uh Chris
Monroe um come up because he's the head of the diversity inclusion committee and he's like dude you got to get somebody else to get this so so we thought about people um who uh you know create black history in Rosal Park and uh Rod is a
second W Council me or second ward uh resident uh former Board of Ed member uh and just an all-around good guy um beautiful family always been there for me when I needed him um and you know in honor of that you know in you know honor of your contribution to Rosal Park and
our little piece of black history here I wanted to give you a proclamation for Black History Month uh of Applause for Rod um I don't know if you want to say anything Rod yes yeah yeah this is this is Mayor height so let me fix that can I just take it off yeah there you go
easier yeah easier well firstly thank you um honorable mayor and um Council for this bestowing this award this Proclamation on me it's certainly an honor and I'm privileged to live in such a community where people like to serve the community and you know I I'm
definitely firm belief of serving your community as well as being on the board of aded I was on the board of Board of Health for a number of years I'm serving rosol Park um and it it's just totally been bit an honor little piece of black history since it is Black History Month
I'm a member of alpha alpha Fraternity Incorporated founded as the first interc Colgate Greek letter fraternal Organization for black men in the in the world um I stand on the shoulders of those Brothers before me for example Dr
Martin Luther King thard Marshall FR Frederick Douglas um Paul Robison and Dr Cornell West just the name a few um and our motto is first of all Servants of all we shall transcend all and I just
want to give a plug out black history for the first black fraternal organization in the world alphaa Fraternity Incorporated so thank you well first off I wanted to call him doctor I think that's important uh and
and and we appreciate I I'm basically saying the same thing to the may but we appreciate your service in the community and that's why it just makes sense and we and we hope you feel better too as well yeah I don't want to say anything but we're glad to see you on your feet absolutely hanging around absolutely so thank you cool six pictures
yeah this my son Rory a so [Applause] cute dude the daughter's taller than me it's bad smile for the camera only got a couple pictures I'm sorry I'm late coming from
work that's my bro thank you thank you so much pick you [Music] up that's enough making F of the mayor for one night um this is all you
oh you signed yeah okay all so good evening Sue Natalie come on up watching on TV right where's where's the camera there okay hi so bringing
up uh sug graso and her daughter Natalie I like there's a proclamation for I should pronounce Katarina sheepers casselli was born in Loria Regio cabria Italy and February 12th
1925 Katarina sheers casselli immigrated to America by boat on January 23rd 1936 whereas upon arriv in America Cina shephers casselli landed in the port of New York and lived in Elizabeth New Jersey until
1942 whereas in 1942 canarina sheers Celli moved to Rosal Park New Jersey married on June 16th 1946 at the church of ass supson and resided in the burough to 1997 Cina shephers casselli raised five children in Rosa Park and whereas
Cina shephers Cassell moved to barnegate New Jersey and may of 9 1997 currently lives resides there on February 12th 2025 Katarina shephers casselli celebrated her joyous occasion on her 100th birthday wow therefore be
proclaimed that Joseph sarella Jr um excuse me uh the third mayor sarella of burough Rosal Par County Union state of New Jersey to hereby especially Proclaim congratulations and extend well wishes to Katarina sheepers Celli on the occasion of her 100th birthday so if
she's out there bless I I'll just say a couple words I know uh Mr casselli since probably was about this little when I used to go to church assumption she sat in the uh fifth or sixth grow and uh on the right hand side and me and my grandmother and
my aunt Josie we used to sit by her and I got to know her for many years ago and we all sat in the same aisle over there and if somebody sat in our rows you know you got the the look but um another uh so her main name is shepis and uh a love
beloved friend of mine Tony shepis was the fire chief prior to me back in the day and uh I miss him dearly so um congratulations God bless and uh I saw her two weeks ago at her party and she looks great I don't know if the daughter
has some Secrets but if you could share them share them so congratulations thank you I just want to say on behalf of my mom and my three sisters and my brother we're going to accept this Proclamation uh humbly and we're so blessed to have
our mother for a 100 years she drives she cooks she cleans uh we are truly blessed so thank you you and I just want to say I know you got air mailed or overnighted something from the governor but you know this is this
has got a personal touch so we tried to tried to get there for you thank you engineer engineer and photographer than you yeah there you go thank you beautiful job Mike what's going on brother no we don't need it I'll take
I'll take the mic though just move the just move that over toward the yeah it's fine uh okay all right oh is she really okay I'd like to
get out too I'll come join better than this umh okay so now this gets pretty boring uh we have a bunch of Engineers here that are going to bore us to tears um no in all seriousness um we have neglia engineering here um and uh this
is a culmination of a lot of work that we've done uh obviously uh since I've been mayor you I look I grew up here um since I've been mayor we've probably seen the most like intense rains in the last two decades and uh our our system storm
water systems getting strained um there's a couple particular problem areas um that we notice uh so we had negly engineering do c of sort of a thorough investigation as to what's going on and uh I think it runs through most of our Wards so rather than doing
this in some kind of committee I thought it was best just to have negli here and walk us all through what they found uh so kasas uh I hand it over to you and uh looking forward to hearing what you got I'm not sure you want to hear it but that's fine but thanks for the in
introduction racing myself for it it's good to see everyone mayor and Council uh administrator Casas uh I do have the brains behind the operation with me Mike gorley and Daniel Blaine I'm Tom sarro we work for Neal group uh as the mayor stated we were tasked with performing uh
a storm sore evaluation in certain portions of the burrow um so basically back in October of September uh September October last year um we prepared a plan and specification to do a closed circuit Tellis internal TV inspection and cleaning of storm sewer
lines um what's presented in front of you on paper as well as digitally up on the screen I know it's kind of hard to see um the first exhibit really is is an overall project limit map and basically the limits were from uh Lehigh
Avenue uh to the north which is the highest highest reach or the most uh Upstream elevation of the system televised uh basically transversing coning all the way down to East Westfield Avenue um down by Locust Street so basically it was Lehigh Avenue
to Lincoln to Spruce uh through some easements on Cherry and Birch uh the Westbrook stream if everybody remembers uh that location between clay and East Grant Avenue um through Walnut Street Charles Williams Chestnut uh filbert and ultimately down to Route 28 where
acrosses Route 28 into Ros Morris's Creek if everybody remembers Morris's Creek and and then the Arthur Kill Where It ultimately drains um to Mar's point the burrow I commend a bar for you know always be Pro trying to be proactive in protecting the health safety and Welfare
of of of its constituents the public and the residence of Rosel Park um trying to determine uh infrastructure deficiencies uh flooding mechanisms um defects anything that could be in line with um potential flooding mitigation and and
control measures which dear would try to sponsor either through grants or or Capital funding uhu to help mitigate that and do some Capital infrastructure and projects so uh before you tonight again there's an overall map from Lehigh down to East Westfield Avenue we we took
and we created Five priority areas um from our findings uh National water main was to hired contractor via uh the local public contracts law um we spent about 200 and the budget was around 200,000 I think it was at the end of the day we spent around 200 15,000 so we had to cut
off the investigation so the majority of the infrastructure within the limits I've shown has been has been televised and investigated there were a couple spot areas um due to the budget constraints we had to take out at this point in time uh potentially we can get back in there for an additional phase of work um but National War main went in
there um with TV equipment and also Manpower they were also into pipes uh televis the areas in question cleaned out the areas in question um a tremendous amount of debris um some collap they actually did cleaning while they were there too yes part part
of the project mayor was to not only investigate and see what the issues were but also to clean as much as possible so they spent I believe 20 or 21 days out in the field for you know between four to five weeks um they removed roughly 120 tons of material wow which if you
equate that to uh it's about 100 cubic yards which is about 10 to 12 standard size garbage truck um not garbage trucks dump trucks or if anyone sees like a trio tandem of as like an asphalt truck that's about five fully loaded asphalt trucks that's
crazy it's a lot of material y um for for various reasons um you know e eal dumping Street sweepings um uh yeah erosion just erosion of the general infrastructure it is Antiquated it is outdated um some of it goes back
to you know 60 70 80 90 years old right so it needs a little TLC um Tom is there when you do this is is there a way to kind of get a sense for like the last time any of this has been done or it's just like it's it's probably been decades I would assume right this Administration has been proactive so
there have been over the last few years different areas if you remember we went out and we televised and cleaned um behind by by costes the open Channel ditches yeah uh that's true there have been some so there have been select but again to your point known problem areas within the Barrow correct um so we're trying to get our hands around that so
their money has been sent uh spent but I'd say overall from the town my perspective which most towns are y it's kind of out of sight out of mind but again you're trying to bring it to the Forefront um so that's always always appreciated and I'm sure you the public would appreciate that too yep so basically what we did was on the overall
map we created Five priority areas uh one being the most intense and requires probably the most immediate attention and five being the least um typical encounters that that were or defects that were found were uh you know pipes that had flat slopes to
them they're not pitched at all or they were back pitched um you know creating a ponding condition in the in the pipe um a lot of debris buildup um Miss line joints where pipes you marry up to one another whether horizontally or vertically that creates um situations in
areas where all debris just kind of sticks to that area and continues to back up causing blockages um voids in in some of the covert walls um we have all different infrastructure type makeup piping materials we have reinforced concrete pipe we have um box culs we
have Cobblestone coverts we have brick Arch there's a whole bunch of other materials in there which is which is standard and normal practice through you through the course of time but that old material starts to wear out you know scouring the amount of volume and and flow of water that goes through there so
it starts to um deteriorate some of the walls of the bigger culverts um that material falls down into the pipe again creating Flow Restriction but also uh struggl structural Integrity issues which needs to be addressed right so those are the high priority items which would be under priority number one um we
have exposed rebar um of some of the reinforced areas we have dis dislodge bricks Stones um we found some bubbler type basins in the system which basically water gets into the way it's supposed to function water gets into the system
through the through the Basin the bottom is supposed to be perforated so water gets in there and kind of permeates into the ground and then there's an overflow higher pipe elevation in there if the water gets too intense it can flow out out and we found a lot of those bubbler basins were just sedimented in so no
water could could percolate into the ground and to help to help mitigate uh somewh stormw control um we found root intrusion we found uh utility Crossings within our within our storm sewer systems whether it's uh gas
Mains water mains which obviously impact conveyance of some of our pipes and our system which could which could lead to some of our flooding concerns um a whole ity of U of scenarios that I that we just encountered that I just
explained um yep go for it yeah yeah yeah yeah so that's what I was looking for listening you there are some streets that we might have some utilities that went through our yeah space or whatever
and uh could be impacting this spe I think we could go after them specific back or ask why well all no one's going to tell you why um but we've encountered this already right like we've had a couple emergency absolutely and this is standard in other
towns too doesn't make it right um but it happens and the areas that you're talking that we're talking about now councilman is like in the area of filburn and and Lincoln they have utility Crossings right within our crosssections over our Culvert again not only capacity issue but it's also a dam basically it's a bottleneck of material and water trying to come down through
that section um Listen by all means you know part of the recommendations as we continue to go down this path with the administration is anyway we need to bring to these other entities whether it's utility companies whether it's the Culvert under route 28 which is which is state owned or state participating Lincoln Avenue it's a county it's a
county road we wouldn't want to get all those agencies including utility companies I'm sorry sorry didn't we experienced this a little while back also with Walnut too like around Walnut or something like that uh there was one so there was one that we had emergency there's two I remember we had emergency
work where there was uh water coming up and it was because American Water was jutting into our system where were the intersections I think that was Walnut that was Walnut was it Walnut yeah damn all right so we would want to get in face to face with these other
jurisdictions to say Hey listen you know you need to help us out here yeah Tom one thing to to note isn't the state do is do doing a refresh of Route 28 right pretty soon uh they just did it over the last they're doing chip sealing I'm sorry they're doing chip seal oh is that
because don't forget they they put in a sidewalk and The Pedestrian improvements and they maill them pave three years ago maybe yeah it wasn't long ago but I I would they're as what they're doing fresh they're doing chips so they'll they'll do a very surface level Mill and then they'll okay they'll put us but it doesn't mean we can't bring up to the
table yeah I mean they also never there's the one area that you're highlighting that they literally never went over because they were afraid of caving in the the yeah we can get into that mayor so we are different priorities like we talked about in
overall map there there is supporting um Google infantry maps and also uh we have a photo location plan we don't have to go through every one of them in detail tonight we'll be here for six hours but it's it's there for your edification and obious see if anybody has any questions um but basically the photos are labeled
and they're identified on the Google imagery map as to where they are in the town system um but the biggest problem areas are coverts right um there are larger diameter infrastructure uh again stone stone Bay Stone bottom half stone walls um CMU concrete block M ring walls
on top uh reinforced concrete bridge decking on top um all that stuff is there's areas where it's decaying it's it's dilapidated it's falling in um I'm not saying it's going to collapse tomorrow um it's not a safety concern but it is an issue that needs to be addressed um you know whether any type
of improvement listen there's various Ty ways to skin a cat you know whether it's a total replacement whether it's bypass installation which would require hydraulic study which we've been doing some stuff for the burrow on the side with that um could be internal improvements it could be shot shot
creting or gunite which basically they spray cement cement cementa material with some rebar uh to give it more structural strength it could be slip lining with a high polyliner I mean the list is long um we haven't figured out what those improvements would be yet we're not we're not ready to present
that tonight but I'm you know when we wrap up this evening my recommendation would be hey to continue to go down uh revealing this information you know the firm itself creates kind of like a mini master plan of improvements further identify the issues of concern label them out um have them in order come up
with some cost estimating yeah I was going say if you have some cost estimates attached to it that' be helpful then we can sit down and and brainstorm maybe how you want to continue to move down U to help mitigate some of these measures but again the biggest areas in question priority number one um that's down East Westfield Avenue and
Filbert Street uh if everybody members we always had problems by um you know McDonald's over there y back in the day y um again state agency with Route 28 we should definitely get them involved if we decide to do something there um priority number two and 2A they're kind
of the same again they're bigger bigger covit areas that's over by Grant Avio and Union and also uh over on Lincoln Avenue again which is which is county jurisdiction and you have two and two ages because you kind of ranked them we l them together originally onlc May was really two and three and I said listen
they should be both too okay and and is it just because they're they run along the same strip or because they're of the most they're they're they're uh determination is that they're pretty intense and um they should be in line with right after work that we want to do
on rout got it so so one is like you really is like Hey listen this is the first point of location where we really should consider potentially spending additional fund two is like also it's right behind it yeah it's right behind it okay and you got to understand I mean these are highly trafficed areas you have you know you can just imagine the
ADT and the truck traffic that comes across Route 28 right and also on Lincoln Avenue I listen I know that Culvert well on Lincoln Avenue and I think it's more on the curb line than the sidewalk you know people's driveway people access their houses through their with their apron in their driveways i' yep I've seen some voids from the top
you know so Tom you're saying uh one can you help me out and we could talk offline more number one is the actual the because I walk through it I've been in it the one that goes down
by the uh Tire PL uh tire store and across or is it by the bowling alley bowling it's going to be more um by the bowling alley it's going to be on the north side of 28 right so it's going to be more where Williams uh where Williams ties into filber as it heads down to
Route 28 yeah okay so just knowing that much I always thought that was the weak length there I mean a lot obviously a lot of PR areas that you see or that are circled in black on on the overall map you they're the typical areas in town that you know in town right so yeah I mean none of this is shocking right
these are it's not shocking uh but you you task us with trying to find out why we have issues I'm not being a wise guy you're not sorry Tom it's okay I miss coming here mayor I really do but uh yeah so B I mean up on the screen is Google image of you know
priority number one area 105 over by filberg in Westfield and basically where it says 1 a CB d e FG and H that that those are the photo logs that are also on everyone's everyone's desk up there so if you want to see you know what the pipe looks like in that location listen
we we have better digital copies we have um these are just obviously printed PDFs but we we were given CDs and thumb drives uh from National watermain of all the information that they that they uh acquired out doing their investigation so two on 2A Tom I think I remember you guys were having a issue getting from
one end to the other in that area didn't something something was like not tied together does any of this ring a bell do you remember this Andrew uh I don't recall on Lincoln I thought it was more over by Clay Avenue and bir and Cherry but you guys can correct me if I'm wrong was on L um oh there was okay go ahead
yeah if I'm not mistaken there was a gas pipe like quite l in the mdle so they couldn't get the um so they used a wheeled robot with the camera on top of it view inside of it yep Oh sorry so they they essentially used a wheeled robot to get inside of the
actual Culver and because the pipe was in quite L the middle of it they couldn't get it under or over so they had to back out and then go through the other side yeah so using like that as an example like is I know we'll discuss all this and I don't want to be here all night but like I'm assuming a gas pipe's
not supposed to be running through that or is that kosher okay got it so like is that something we could like highlight to Elizabeth Town and be like yeah fix this absolutely correct and listen this is nothing uh new to them this is standard in every one of their towns again doesn't make it right but we should bring them to the table and say
listen how can it help us out here y y cool um yeah listen again we can we can talk at length forever but um um I think you guys I think you guys get an overview uh do do you have any anybody else have any questions yeah I have yeah go for it okay i' I've been getting a
lot of complaints on kofax and Spruce kofax and Spruce yeah I see it yeah uh What complaints are you getting councilman flooding very bad flooding um and pretty much every time it rains they
even said the DPW brings barricades over there and and lately they've been bringing uh cones is that is that a new flooding condition recently or no it's been like that for a long long time um so you guys not to interrupt your Council but you guys have that identified as priority 5
we do right as we do um but that doesn't mean we can't provide you know additional investigation to see what's going on there I mean I don't is that in a FEMA flood zone area I'm not quite sure uh I didn't look at the FEMA map before I came here um but sure um really
quickly it's along Spruce Street itself right on the corner Spruce and K Spruce and cax so it's kfax Avenue okay so the one uh the one resident they're uh they have basement windows and it's ground
level so if they don't get the cones out there in time or the barricades it floods and when the people ride through it actually goes down their seller so they've been on my case a lot about that sorry so um when we did the storm water
cleaning it was actually found that that entire pipe down Spruce Avenue or Pardon Me Down Spruce Street was essentially filled with roots okay so that could have been in he inhibiting all the uh storm water flow as well as um the pipe itself is relatively flat um I want to
say that probably I I I haven't looked at it recently I want to say there's only maybe a couple inches of height difference between the top and the bottom so water could just be not flowing through it enough so hopefully it hopefully the roots being cleared out helps it a little bit but okay we would
need to and five truck to of uh have five trioxys of material taken out throughout that part of the system but I also want to tie this whole thing together listen we're all familiar hopefully now with um the municipal separate storm order uh ms4 permit which
the town has um which we've been trying to get into compliant to help the bar get into compliance so we did GIS mapping and asilt mapping starting last year so have all the invert information or asid inflammation of the storm sewer facility to Daniel's Point flat slopes
back pitch pipes we can start doing hydraulic calculations and find drainage areas that actually go into that system um to see maybe the pipe is undersized or maybe the slope is inadequate how do we find ways to provide additional conveyance when did the actual cleaning happen the clean it was um I would say
November and December yeah so it might be interesting Joe just to see next time we get a big storm to see if it helped that at all I mean either way we should you know it's it's on the list of things to do but hopefully the cleaning maybe gave it a little bit of you know better flow because I know one resident's been
complaining he lives on Lincoln yeah and Spruce yeah and he says but I told him when I was a kid I used to go swimming oh it's always been a problem yeah yeah it's always been a problem and I'm talking 50 years ago that this was yeah it's always been a problem but but I I
also tell them it's a county road too it is County Road Lincoln is anyway Lincoln that's but don't forget if there's no improvements done down you know that that's the highest point of the part where we where we studied right so that's the Upstream piece of it you know if there's no improvements done Downstream and there's issues Downstream
that conveyance capacity is is affect negatively affected so the water that's Upstream of that is going to have problems trying to discharge further down towards Route 28 so even though the problem might not be right at Spruce and kofax it could be Downstream over there okay which has to be rectified or
cleaned out or bypass line or pipe replacement which will allow the water to free flow from above it if that makes sense yeah well I know they've been also having some problems with sinkles um resident on Lincoln it
actually was a big you know um and and that's been going on for a couple years I know years ago they just threw dirt in there to cover up standard practice and then actually his uh driveway actually saw yes start to go down yeah well don't forget because what happens there is all
the fines and the soil material starts to move and and gets basically pushed out of there so there's no more structural support of the of the base so okay thank you but again this all ties to the ms4 infrastructure and the perent requirements which the borrow is responsible to to take care of so um that all ties to a map we're put
together that we're assisting to borrow with and we will continue to do with um you know the annual report is do every May we'll help provide B assistance with that and obviously with the information we have we can also do hydraulic model to potentially investigate any other you know low-lying areas or flooding areas
where the bur may want to have reviewed and potentially um you know improvements implemented at that location yep cool a question yeah go for it sure thank you Tom you said many of these issues are being caused by or involve other jurisdictions uh including utility
companies State DT how confident and You' mentioned this has been an issue in other municipalities as well how confident are you that they'll take ownership of it and actually assist the mun ality and getting it solved and now putting the owner the owners on your mic off by the way Jay what's on I I got
your question on top of like this oh yeah go closer so there we go want my true answer here not very confident um utility companies listen I've seen workmen they they took out some of the utilities and moved them further down the road no no issue at all other towns it's been an issue trying to
negotiate to get them to take care of that where it's gotten uh threatened up to the legal level and uh lost so um the do I mean we we need to get them on board early if that's something the borrow wants to do or have further investigate um we all know that those
jurisdictions kind of like ours when we do our budget you know they're one two three years out so even though they say hey we look into it and they say we'll put money up for it that's something that's not going to come anytime soon um they're two three years down the road um those I feel a little more comfortable
getting participation with than potentially the utility companies County to maybe and the county to Lincoln yeah okay all right thank you for your uh but listen if we don't ask we definitely don't get anything correct hey Jay we could bring that up at the next njd meeting you got that right y all right
thank you I mean and again this is just a broad overview I mean was definitely more detail we can provide but no this is this is great I think um you know as we go into budgeting season you know uh some rough estimates and and you know kind of that hit list I think is probably the next thing that we need no
problem we'll continue um to hit the ground run with it and we'll provide more additional information as it as it comes cool good work guys any other questions you know where to reach me appreciate thank you good to see everyone y thank you thank you Tom yeah okay uh may I have a motion to
prove meeting minutes pending any corrections so Mo second all in favor I may have a motion that bills and payrolls be not read and passed for payment so moved second all in favor I may have a motion to open the public portion on agenda items only so moved
second all in favor I I wish to come up and speak may do so now on agenda items good good evening oh it's not hello how are you um so sorry Cindy Meo 433 Walnut Street I am curious about
resolutions 69 and 70 the Professional Services contract for 510 chest Street also known as the Board of Ed office um the board of education has not yet discussed nor voted on this so just my
input would be to not spend money on it until it's been approved by the Board of Ed yeah I mean I think uh there's a couple things so I there's two pieces to and again it's up to you guys to vote on whether or not you want to do it right and if you think it's a good deal great
if not it's not the end of the world I will say we haven't even had the discussion yet so not not going to get into a tit fortat on this it's up to you guys but I can say you know something that I've talked about since like the Lauren Harm's days right so um I would say holistically doing a study it's
there forever right so whether you guys want to do it now or somebody wants to do it 10 years from now or whatever it's there it's enshrined um but I also think that there's going to be be two pieces of the puzzle here right so as we've discussed where does the burrow get involved right so the burrow does not get directly involved with the
transaction that's totally up to you guys but the negotiation is going to be potentially with a developer that says okay well to make this work I need to be able to do X Y and Z so if there's a study that says well you know you can only put a jungle gym there right maybe
it's not as attractive to a developer right so while I agree that this might be putting the cart before the horse and you know candidly this might be something that doesn't come to fruition um that land is only as valuable as what you could do on it correct so so it's
important same for the Westfield Avenue exactly so that's so that's the thing is right so I there's there's a real world where you know let's just say study comes back or councils comes back and says we're only going to allow uh one story building there right the developer
might say thanks but no thanks I I can't do anything there like it's not worth the trade so I unfortunately that's going to be a part of the calculus for them and you know we're putting this at risk as you guys might vote it down but it's going to inform their decision I I
would imagine so does that make sense it it does I mean it was just my suggestion just to at least wait until after it was discussed it does it does look funny doing it in tandem but you have to think about right like again you know this bur
hall right if we just sell it and say well you can only put um a Trader Joe's here because everybody wants a Trader Joe's then it's worth yeah right yeah I would love one too um then it's worth one they don't want to be here appar I yes sadly I I don't know but we do have
a cool new coffee shop coming in I was actually sh check out the sign on chest Street um but um too many coffee shops now um but uh you know again like if we zone for the record I'm not saying we should do this if we Zone a 10-story apartment building here then the land is
worth way more so that's going to factor into the negotiations there okay cool fair enough thank you anyone else I am seeing no one uh may have a motion to close so moved second all in favor I I uh okay
uh may I have him I may have a motion to accept the reports of departments as submitted so moved second on favor I uh please read ordinance number 2806 by title yes mayor ordinance 2806 is an ordinance for second reading and public
hearing and ordinance amending ordinance number 2802 fixing the salary ranges of non-union employees and officials of the bosel park and the county of union state of New Jersey uh may I have a motion to open the public hearing on ordinance number 2806 so moved second all in favor I and like to come up and speak on this
ordinance I'm seeing no one uh may I have a motion to close the public hearing on ordinance number 2806 so moved second all in favor I I may have a motion to adopt ordinance number 2806 so moved second um is there any
discussion I'm seeing none please call the role councilman Petroski yes councilman Johnson yes councilman signell yes councilman Rina yes councilwoman Lions yes councilman Patel yes so it's in the affirmative mayor the ordinance is adopted uh okay please read ordinance number 20 2807 by title yes
mayor ordinance 2807 is an ordinance second reading and public hearing an ordinance amending chapter 16 of the code of the ver Rosel Park entitled building and construction establishing a section two entitled lead based paint inspections may I have a motion to open the public portion on ordinance number 2807 so moved second uh all in favor I I
like to come up and speak on ordinance number 2807 I am seeing no one may I have a motion to close the public hearing on ordinance number 2807 so moved second uh all in favor I may have a motion to adopt ordinance number 2807 so moved second is there any discussion please
call the role Council patoski yes councilman Johnson yes councilman signorella yes Council Rina yes Council Lions yes Council Patel yesos the affirmative mayor the ordinance is adopted uh okay please read ordinance number 2808 by title yes mayor ordinance 2808 is an ordinance for introduction
ordinance amending chapter 40 section 3303 of the code of the burb Rosel Park entitled affordable housing programs with specific amendments to paragraph B entitled affordable housing set aside requirement for residential development including areas in need of Redevelopment or Rehabilitation uh may I have motion
to approve ordinance number 2808 for introduction and refer to the municipal land use board for statutory review and fix the date for second reading and public hearing as March 20th 2025 so moved second um is there any discussion Craig you want to talk about what this is yeah I could talk about it
go for so yeah my thoughts about this the reason why I put this up front is uh my thoughts about this is I wanted to show the courts in good faith that uh that we're trying to uh comply with affordable housing since we're in stage
four and by increasing it from 15 to 20 asent uh makes uh Rosal Park a little bit more defensible against build Builder remedy lawsuits so I'm just trying to help mitigate that before any um developer get too
cute sound good uh that was a good summary of it uh any further discussion that's good okay please call the roll councilman Petroski yes councilman Johnson yes councilman sigell yes Council Rina yes councilwoman Lions yes councilman Patel yes six voice the
affirmative mayor the ordinance is introduced okay uh all matters listed with an aners are considered to be routine and non-controversial by the council and will be approved by one motion there will be no separate discussion of these items unless a member of the governing body Ser requests in which case the item will be removed from the consent agenda and
considered in its normal sequence on the agenda as part of the general orders Andrew please read all resolutions by title yes mayor resolution 6725 is establishing the 2025 summer hour schedule for bur Hall resolution 6825 is accepting the resignation of April mcneel from the position of parking
enforcement officer resolution 6925 is awarding a Professional Services contract to the neglia group for professional planning Services associated with the non- condemnation Redevelopment study of block 504 lot 6 of the municipal tax map commonly known as 510 Chestnut Street with all streets and rights of way perent there too and
an amount not to exceed $88,000 resolution 725 is awarding of Professional Services contract MCM in Scotland andalman LLC for redevelopment Council Services associated with a non-c condemnation Redevelopment study of block 504 lot 6 of the municipal tax map commonly known as 510 Chestnut Street
with all streets and rights of way pertinent thet in an amount not to exceed $6,500 resolution 7125 terminating the Professional Services contract with Consulting and Municipal Engineers for the prep for the preparation of a Redevelopment plan for Block 606 LS 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 3
6.01 and 38 of the Municipal tax map commonly known as 112 Locust Street 101 West Westfield Avenue 105 West Westfield Avenue 111 West Westfield Avenue 115 West Westfield Avenue 121 West Westfield Avenue 129 West Westfield Avenue 133 West Westfield Avenue 147 West Westfield
Avenue 159 West Westfield Avenue along with all streets and rights away pertinent there too resolution 7225 is awarding Professional Services contract to the negl group for professional planning service associated with a preparation of a Redevelopment plan for all the things they just read uh along with all streets and the rights of away
per there too in an amount not to exceed $7,750 resolution 7325 is awarding um authorizing the bur clerk to auction unclaim Vehicles resolution 7425 is authorizing change order number one to porino builders LLC for the project 2024 Capital Road program in the amount of a
$2,852 increase to reflect the total contract amount of $59,750 77 after all change orders resolution 7525 is authorizing the donation of one phone booth to the B of kennworth resolution 76 625 is granting conditional approval of the application
submitted by veritus MFG LLC for a local Class 2 cannabis manufacturer license resolution 7725 is authorizing submission of the 2025 Union County infrastructure Municipal aid grant resolution 7825 is authorizing the First Amendment to a settlement agreement between the bur Rosel Park and the City
of Elizabeth resolution 7925 is authorizing the treasur to issue three checks totaling $ 6,214 63 payable on one lean payable to one lean holder on three properties and three checks totaling $2,000 from the tax collector's premium account resolution 8025 Is Res sending
resolution number 22324 directing the municipal land use sport to review a draft Redevelopment plan for Block 606 slots 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 3601 and 38 of the municipal tax map of the B Rosal Park commonly known as 112 Locust Street 101 West
Westfield Avenue 105 West Westfield Avenue 111 West Westfield Avenue 115 West Westfield Avenue 121 West Westfield Avenue 129 West Westfield Avenue Aven 133 West Westfield Avenue 147 West Westfield Avenue and 159 West Westfield Avenue along with all streets and rights of way pertinent there too as a non-c
condation area needed Redevelopment pursuant to the local Redevelopment Housing law ngsa 48 col 12 A-1 at SEC resolution 8125 is authorizing a payment plan for the remaining super connection fees and residential development fees associated with Building B of the
Redevelopment project located at block 610 lot 3.01 of the municipal tax map commonly known as 10 West Westfield a venue and resolution 8225 is appointing Leonard R Dolan as Fire subcode official and UCC fire inspector okay I am pulling 7825 and
8025 are we pulling anything else 7625 MH and uh 6825 MH okay I got sorry 69 69 71
yeah um we did 6 76 right yes yep 78 it's pulled yep 80 and 81 76 so the ones anyone else so just to review the ones the ones that are pulled
are 68 69 71 76 78 80 and 81 yeah that's what I got okay anything else not a lot say left on consent agenda uh may I have a motion to approve the resolutions remaining on the consent agenda so moves second all in favor I okay may I have
motion to adopt resolution 6825 so moved second is there any discussion yes mayor I uh I want to thank April for her uh service to Rosell Park um I had issues on shardan Avenue
um and she was always uh very helpful um uh a lot of people dropping their kids off was blocking the driveway and a lot of my neighbors were complaining and um she uh I thought she did an excellent job and I'm very sorry to see her go but
I know she got a full-time job and you know I'm H I'm happy that she got the full-time job that's all any else I just want to say I wish her the best too she's she we had some pretty deep conversations even in all that she did uh but definitely wish her the
best mayor I would like to say a couple things too I just wanted to say I I thank her and I appreciate her as well she had a very tough job you know trying to be out there mitigating the traffic conditions uh sometimes people don't want to accept accountability and and
often times she could come out appearing like the bad guy but at the end of the day I know she was doing her job I've been in the law enforcement field so I just wanted to give her Kudos and you would be Miss April anybody else she was tough and fair fair good
luck she's she's going to be full-time parking en forcement so she didn't really give it up oh yeah all right call the all Council Petroski yes councilman Johnson yes Council signell yes Council Rina yes councilwoman Lions yes councilman Patel yes six votes the affirm mayor the
resolution is adopted may have a may have a motion to adopt resolution 6925 so moves second is there any discussion um I mean mine is 6970 it's kind of both sure can I can I move to do can I move
to do both at the same time lawyer Andrew just do the one to late we already did the one okay yeah go for it so as far as like uh for 70 are you going to explain the whole thing you might just answer one my questions yeah so I mean I look I I will explain the
burrow piece of this right so um there is a there I mean it's a very desirable area right so as I mentioned the Board of Education building is you know since I got elected mayor not with these Board
of Ed members but with a lot of Board of Ed members uh I've been speaking about potentially it's not a great utilization of that area right I mean you're right by the train station it's great obviously want something in the center of town but you know ideally you want something if you're going to be we're
going to talk about tonight how we have to build more affordable housing as a state mandate right you were you were away while we got this but we got our number of having to do more affordable housing issue uh um units um if you're going to do it you want to do it in the center of town by the train station um
you know be a nice area for mixed use place you have sort of ground level retail and you know a couple levels of of affordable housing up top you know there it fits in with the area because there's other apartments there um so this study is to study as to whether or
not it warrants a uh or is eligible for um a Redevelopment plan and Redevelopment agreement and that's one piece of what if the board of Ed's going to make a land swap right because the proposal right now is that there is a office
building that no longer is going to house class 5 cannabis um uh I got yelled at to do something for the kids there and um you know one of the proposals is to potentially put uh from my understanding um is uh Bard ofed offices there and it could also
potentially the size of it could do up to uh three prek classes you know we're sending kids from rosol park right now I believe to Cranford for prek right so there is a need for more pre space within the burough of Rosal Park um so this would be a piece of the puzzle to
basically say is there a development project that's available there right what does what can a developer do and then the Board of Ed can decide whether or not they want to do a land Swap and the developer also needs decide whether or not he or she even wants to do
something there right because again um there's a whole lot of fact in there how much does it cost to acquire the land um how many affordable housing units they have to do right now it's 20% um how many units they can put how big it can be if we put any stipulations on
like on on any of the project right so if we say you got to build a Rick Barry statue right that's going to cost him 250k and that factors into the equation any that that was good you guys can laugh now you can laugh at that one you want to put a mayor signal
statue that's that's going to cost something um so yeah so we are not involved in any transaction but we are involved with saying what can be zon there so this is us saying we're going to get the planner involved they're
going to suggest what can be Zone there and we're going to give our feedback as mayor and counsel does that answer your question yeah that answers most of it so do we have a developer that has inquired about this property uh I I believe that there has been one that's Ed the Board
of Ed maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong I don't know not public commentary but I don't know uh if there is one which I no there is one I I don't know the developer yeah okay so I guess you don't know the plans no no no no the plans are up to the
plans are up to us you I mean have you've been part of a Redevelopment plans thus far right we're we're resending one of them now right you know we talked about one do we want to put hotels there do we not want to put hotels there do we want to put uh residential there do we not put so we will have a planner is going to come say
they're going to come say mayor we think you could or mayor and Council we think you could do X Y and Z and then we're going to say cool we only want to do X and Y okay and so we have to wait for the Board of Ed to kind of get that approval so could I just could I just
could I just interject real quick so what this so resolution 6925 does is it authorizes a study of that property what that Redevelopment study does is the planner support by Redevelopment Council would review the property against the statutory provisions of re what
qualifies Redevelopment area if it meets any of those qualifications it's then up to the governing body and there's the process that goes to the land use board to designate it the area The Next Step would then be discussing what would zone for that property what would the Redevelopment plan what would be the
plan for that property okay right that's one I think You' probably have a more iterative process about what would be going there right so I'm skipping a step right so there's going to be a study whether or not it's eligible Fran you want to come up sure I just keep me honest here right it's it's it's a study
to see whether or not it's eligible which who knows I I have a question too sure could could it also be a part of a the plan uh a part of our plan to to help mitigate uh certain uh problem I mean that we could talk offline but no 100% I think that's important so so so
it's a very good question right so so Greg you're hitting on something so we got to Fran I'll let you talk in a minute but now I'm on a I'm on a roll um so uh to your point Greg you were away and KJ you were away uh last meeting we
we also made neglia start working on a uh affordable housing plan right we don't know exactly how many affordable housing units we owe but we know we owe a Max of 70 right we're going to try and get that down to 50ish right but let's just say I'm just using simple math here
right let's just say we okay 10 Apartments there there will be required to do two affordable units and that would count towards our 50 or 60 or 70 which we are obliged to make right so I I I get it I read Facebook I know people
are sick of Apartments but like we're going to have to do more affordable housing like it's a state mandate it is what it is right um Fran keep me honest on any of that stuff okay Fran McManaman McManaman Scotland and Balman we service Redevelopment Council to the bureau so
as the mayor mentioned and Andrew mentioned this is the very first step in the process of Redevelopment under the Redevelopment law a municipality is required to authorize a study to be done to find out if it even meets the criteria to be designated as a Redevelopment area so that's what this
step would be and then as you're familiar once that study comes back the um the council will have an opportunity to vote and find out it goes to the plan the Lan use board and then the council will have the opportunity to vote as to whether they want to designate the area a Redevelopment area um and then the
next step in that process would be to adopt a Redevelopment plan that's sort of what we're getting into here a little bit further down the field here is that a Redevelopment plan is what would um tell you what tell everyone what could be done not necessarily what would be done but what could be done on the property so if you want mixed use if you
want residential um how what what the density would be what the height limitations would be all of that the affordable housing requirements all of that would be incorporated into a Redevelopment plan that would come before Council twice introduction for ordinance and then final ad option and again go to the land use Sports there be
many opportunities for uh Council input and also public input in a Redevelopment plan thank you so if you want to request the Rick Barry statue at any point you'll have plenty of bites be app to do that uh okay is there any further questions councilman no okay cool uh any
other further discussion 6925 right nope correct 69 just 6925 right now Jes uh okay call the rooll council Petroski yes counc Johnson yes councilman sarella yes councilman Robina yes councilwoman Lions yes
councilman Patel no five votes in the affirmative one in the negative the resolution is adopted okay may have a motion to adopt resolution 7125 oh so moved I'm sorry all good second uh is there any discussion is there anything you didn't okay all right
so I'm seeing none call the RO councilman Petroski yes councilman Johnson yes councilman sell yes Council Rob yes councilman Lions yes councilman Patel no five votes in the affirmative one in the negative the resolution is adopted okay may I have a motion to
adopt resolution 7625 so mov second did I did I skip one oh whoops my bad which one no you did 71 I did 71 that was 71 no we didn't we did 69 and 7 we did 69 and 70 I skip I skipped 71 I had SE I
had 71 as the one that was pulled I had 6 8 69 71 76 78 80 and 81 all right so I had you just moved you just moved and voted on 71 okay do we want to go back and vote on 70 whatever you want do you
want to reconsider 70 you just need a motion to reconsider moot anyone can so moved so moved second got all right then you need a roll call and reconsideration uh call this is on reconsidering 70 councilman Petroski yes Council
Johnson yes councilman signorella yes Council Rina yes councilwoman Lions yes councilman Patel yes all right so reconsideration is basically like the vote never happened so now you need a mo now you need a motion to adopt 70 okay I have a motion to adopt resolution 70-25 so move second is there any
discussion please call the role I'm very I don't know why we called it either Council Petroski yes councilman Johnson yes Council sella yes Council Rina yes Council milons yes councilman Patel no we just want that makes sense we wanted to make you sweat it out I appreciate it that that makes
more sense uh okay uh may have a motion to adopt resolution 7625 so second is there any discussion um so I I want to start off discussion here um just because look I only vote in a TI um this is up to council but um I do want to say
I'm personally in supportive of this in support of this um I know cannabis has been controversial in the burrow um I think I've been clear that this is a Class 2 use um which means manufacturing which means it's in an area where nobody's going to be able to go up and buy anything there's not going to be a
lot of foot traffic there's just going to be people manufacturing product in there and shipping out product and we will get 2% of that Revenue which you know from my understanding these things can fetch you know $2 to5 million in Revenue you know slap temper uh 2% on
that um you know that's meaningful as we're going through budget season right now I can tell you every dollar counts um but that's my two cents on it um and I'll open up discussion for the rest of the council if need be yeah mayor if I may uh I just need to abstain
okay any further discussion yeah okay uh I just going to ask how many variants will they need as far as o I don't know I wish Rich was here yeah so you're not going to know um that that's just a question you're not going to know so I mean they're they're going
they would need to go to the board regardless even even if they meet all other zoning because it's a conditional use so they have to go to the board for site plan approval um but it'll depend on the type of building they're going to build right you know you need different variant if they're going for a and I have no idea of this but to use the mayor's example if they're going to
build a 10 story building there or if you're going to build a one story building there or if it's going to be of a certain Dimension or of certain lot size or lot coverage it's going to be completely dependent on what they're going to propose in terms of a building or if they're going to use the same building that's I couldn't you could you don't
know how many how many I can I can say I I I have a rough idea having walk the area right um my understanding is they're not going to be building on top of the building it'll be a retrofit of the existing building right so there's one business in there right my understanding is they would sort of
bifurcate the inside and the Cannabis business would operate on one side and the existing glass blowing business would operate on the other right I'm not speaking for the applicant but that's my broad understanding and then as far as like are they in a school zone because I know it has to be yeah I believe they're
in a school zone I forget the exact legalities but it like you know 100t I think it's supposed to be fromo from Parts Thousand feet oh thousand thousand yeah I mean they're in they're in a school zone right I mean um we we've litigated this in the past right like I there is state law or whatever law that
this is a doable right we've had this controversy come up for lawyer yes yeah okay got it thank you um that's good that's that's that's a good lawyer right there yes um uh yeah I mean look I I I grew up in this town I don't really consider it
like on that side of the tracks exactly a school zone but you know you guys it's up to you if you want to approve it or not technically like we can if even if it's in the zone we could still pass it yeah yeah yeah and the other thing is we also our local ordinance requires what
was it I think we did a th000 ft locally right yeah but but I I think from school who won 1500 yeah that's what that's what I just say, 1500 okay okay whatever I don't 1500 to increase listens to but basically but you guys do the I mean we've had this happen before right so
we've we've passed a class 5 use and the land use board and its Mighty power actually rejected it right so it's up to this mayor and Council to say you know well we think that they qualify for the license and then it's up to the land use board whether or not it's an appropriate
area so you know it's up to you guys if I could councilman so to to answer your question if it is within whatever the parameters are 1,500 ft it would be it would be a variance they would need to seek to the board so that would be at least one variance we know about okay right and if they didn't if
they weren't granted that variance or weren't given approval then there it the point is moot right they don't get they don't gain unconditional approval got it and then uh I guess I don't know much about a manufacturer so will there be
like you know is there like smell like the smell come out when they're doing like with is it through chemicals or when they're growing because there's houses right next to it um yeah so I can I can speak in Broad strr just because I we I don't know who on Council did this
is before your time um we actually went to go visit before we did Breakwater their you know sort of operations um I can't speak so there are Statewide regulations of HVAC systems and whatever else you need to do there's also local safety regist reg reg regulations that
we're going to impose um but what I can say is um from my personal experience going to these things right like you can't smell outside you would never know and honestly it's for manufacturer for the manufacturing yeah and for anybody who's smelt um you know
manufactured marijuana in the process of getting manufactured it smells like Christmas trees it smells very different after this process but it you know while it's actually you know in its raw form it it doesn't smell like the stinky smell that while you smell when it's
smoking but but there are correct there's DRC wide DCA Statewide regulations there's Statewide regulations there's also the local regulations in the in the ordinance that we built in specifically when the ordinance was being written and drafted uh to mitigate that concern because it was a concern that came up during the
crafting of allowing a class two uh lensey and one of it was is there spillover smell on the street or on neighboring properties and there's certain ventilation requirements and filtration requirements that they would need to abide by got it and then my as the last question would be like what
about the traffic and parking like is there a big staff that they yeah well I can talk about we so I I can talk about um I can talk about uh what we had the Cannabis review board I know you're working today but but the that one of the applicants came by and
they basically said they're going to have five employees um so uh it's going to be the five excuse me employees that are there um the neighboring building hexacon they share parking with so um my understanding is that they have an
agreement with hexacon whereby the parking should be okay um so I I don't think that's going to be a massive issue right I mean I would say obviously it's manufacturing right so You' have occasionally shipments go in and out but you know candidly that's part of why we zoned for that in the industrial area is
because it is the industrial area right you have hexacon that builds soldering irons there that ships out soldering irons uh you have printing shops that you know print out bulk printing there so it's I mean it's awkward because there we're in Rosal Park and it's an
industrial zone right by residential but there is industrial manufacturing that's there got it and then I mean I haven't gotten a chance to ask the residents in that area how they feel so I wouldn't support this and that's all I have
okay okay anybody else yeah I just want to say um this is a huge concern to me it's around the block from Robert Gordon um so to me even though that there it's manufacturer security is a concern um you know this is just a small
town and having it be in the middle of of our uh our town and right next door literally to people in across the street um is just a huge concern so consider very wisely what how we need to vote
here thank you okay anybody else please call the role councilman Petroski no councilman Johnson councilman sarella no councilman Rina no councilman woman Lions no councilman Patel no by negative one
abstention the resolution is not adopted okay uh may I have a resolution to adopt 78-2 a motion a motion to adopt 78-2 so moved second uh is there any discussion Andrew do you just want to give an
update as to what's going on here sure so the substance of this uh of this amendment that would be authorized by this resolution is is purely Financial so uh the burough of Rosel Park as everybody remembers authorized settlement agreement with the city of Elizabeth due the sewer interconnection
issue um as part of that settlement agreement we have 11year period to pay back $4 million or to pay $4 million in a rear use of their system um pursuing to that settlement agreement uh one payment was made on July 1st of last year um in the amount of about
$366,000 right you know uh 1 11th of of the amount um which leaves a balance of about 3.6 in million in change um uh as everybody else as we also know um the burrow was lucky enough to obtain um operating aid from the state of New
Jersey to help offset this issue and the destabilization of the SE utility um so uh we approached the city of Elizabeth um with um hopes of of gaining new financial terms and doing an upfront payment uh with some legal wrangling and
some creative negotiation um we were able to uh have the city of Elizabeth uh agree and you know this resolution is also subject to their ratification that instead of having a balance of 3.6 million in change that we need to pay the city of Elizabeth that amount uh
drops uh over a million dollars to 2. 6 million uh they would get that money now as opposed to over the next 10 years um it's beneficial to the city of Elizabeth because bank accounts be interest and it's beneficial to us because uh the burough Rosel Park is no worse for the
wear in terms of what the rate payers would have to pay we would use $2.6 million in operating Aid to pay the full amount and not have to pay Elizabeth anything except for the quarterly payment of the meter below uh Galloping Hill Road at the interconnection point until the time that we separate from the
system with in the next several years um candidly it's it's from from what from what was a very unfortunate situation this is a this is a good deal and I highly recommend that this be approved um the other because I'm sure the question will get asked what are we going to do with the other $400,000 in
operating aid for the Ser utility we're also going to use to uh stabilize the fund um so uh it's it's a very good result from a very bad situation that the what do that mean for the rid payer it doesn't mean anything yet other than the fact that the rates will be
stabilized currently we're crunching every everybody's question is well what's my bill going to look like um I I can I a lot less it it will be a lot less it will be much more stable it'll be very comparable to what it was prior to this incident prior to the legal dispute um at this point we have the
last quarter of of last year's water consumption the finance department is going through that and crunching the numbers um ultimately that plus our assessments from the sewer authorities like we would any other year um all those numbers put together will come out
with the the bills based on usage so um hope to have that in the next few weeks to a month um but by doing this you take significant dollars that we owe off the table huge is there is there any chance in the
future once you figure out the numbers that they get a credit or refund they paid extra last year no so I think we there's been a lot of discussion about about this and I it's it's I I I thought I made it clear last year but I I I'm happy to explain so there was a chance
that we could have if we got it in the fiscal year the financial aid in the fiscal year last year we could have sent a refund um potentially for the second payment or avoided the second payment that's why we kind of waited till the absolute last minute to do it we're in a new fiscal year so you know like this
isn't it's not I'm not being a wise guy but like it's not Best Buy where like you know you have a 90-day return policy right like we have to you have to give that in or out within the fiscal year um so but it's money it's money and money out right so I'll give you an example so
if we if we gave everybody a refund last year then there'd be less money to apply to the bill this year right so it's basically like like I I'll make something up right so um you know let's just say my bill was $300 George knows
it's cheaper than that but let's just for for for easy numbers say it was $300 um you know if I got a refund for $150 the burrow still owes that $150 right that means that we were using the emergency funds for a refund instead
of paying down the bill this year do you understand what I'm saying really um the the state the state aid is finite okay right so if we used half a million dollars of the state aid last year then that's less state aid we could use this year and that means the rate would have
been slightly higher this year right could I could I also just make did I make more sense the second time around okay I I'm going to try to I'm going to try to be more direct I'm usually not the one that's more direct it's uh it the state is not going to want us to use the $3 million for refunds directly for
refunds if we were able to apply it to the operating from last year during last year then we would be paying our own money back to to the ratee payers right but that that's not ultimately what happened we didn't get we we literally didn't get this money until I think December 30th yeah which is why we were
really pushing to get it in last year for for this exact reason and just to and just to just to make it concrete you know some I know the finance committee is is is in the throws of of crafting this year's budget but you know the bur the burrow did put additional Surplus
monies toward the sewer utility last year to try to offset what was already a bad increase right so um and the governing body knows this right you put Surplus in with hopes to at least regenerate it back so that you always have that fund to kind of lessen the
burden on the rate payer or the taxpayer last year I'll use rough numbers we put $600,000 toward the sewer utility Surplus uh $600,000 in Surplus to offset the sewer utility and we only regenerated 400 okay so we were already
behind and part of that is because people couldn't pay it was a bad situation right so to pay people back is imp it's it's it's both budgetarily and from an auditing practice it's impossible because it's not really legal or practical to do if we got it November 5th it would have
been a different story you can't you you we don't have the money to do it but but but again I mean I think the the what people need to understand is if if you were going to get a $100 credit last year or refund that $100 that you're getting that you would have got last
year is going to make your rate lower this year right so it's you're it's still going to impact your bill it's just you're not getting a check back you're getting a a credit essentially put forward for this bill make sense yep got him can I just say I mean two things
thank God that we had that you and and everyone that worked towards that I mean it's really a miracle we have to look at that and be very grateful for that and I I really am but the other thing I have to say is that it was such bad not on
your apartment or at all but the communication and how it was said it was like almost saying like you're going to get something back you know and I guess people understood it a certain way but now saying it like cuz I I actually sat
in with the budget um meeting last uh last week and the way that Ken he's not here right now no Ken's get a personal thing yeah the way he explained it is like you're saying it's um I guess in the budget right it closed out last year
but people need to understand going for forward that it's not um not a refund yeah but it's a it's it's a credit that's going into this year yeah you're not going to see you're not going to see a check back but you'll know that your your rat's back your rat's much much
less than it was last year because that money is going towards this year and I if I just hard no it sucks yeah but but I think everybody so there's two things this year that I think people will be pleasantly surprised by um so the one is well let me say if if I Mis communicated
that I'll take personal responsibility for it I I potentially should have been clearer in saying I mean look I worked my butt off to try and get refunds for you guys last year I really did we were on yelling at the state to the best of our ability right thank God you did but it was frustrating because they
had the money for us they just didn't transfer the money so I I when I said we were going to do refunds it was because I was expecting it to happen in that fiscal year I did not in I mean cuz in the budget it says for f uh 2024 state aid right so you figured they can get it
to us by 2024 um unfortunately we didn't come through on that but you will get the relief in another way but I take responsibility for that if somebody you could have gotten a check back last year you can't get that this year but it will go towards lowering your rate this year no it's not public portion um the other
piece is we've also rejiggered the way that we take your rates right so we only do it during the winter months right so for those of you people who have got absolutely whacked because you have a pool and because you water your grass you will see a much more reasonable rate in line with the sewage you actually use
because it's just going to be taken it when you take a shower Jerry it's not going to be when you when you yeah um okay any further discussion there I mean I think it's it's the whole situation sucks but I'm glad that we at the end of the day the lawyer got another half a million dollars or so knocked off for us
million million wow I undersold that great uh okay uh call the r councilman Petroski yes councilman Johnson councilman sella councilman Rina councilwoman Lions councilman Patel yes six po to affirm mayor the resolution is adopted oh man we're trudging through
this okay um may have a motion to adopt resolution 80-2 so moves second is there any discussion FR you just want to come up for a second um so so the quick one is um uh and Fran
just keep me honest here um there is a interested developer in uh over by what do they call it now cassad Del re they change it again they call it the Westfield or something um so the property over next to that uh there was a developer that was interested in doing something with it right we talked about
hotels we talked about residential uh we decided on no residential um Fran covering our backs uh knowing that uh we have a obligation to do for affordable housing uh it's probably not the best look at the moment right um I'm being as
diplomatic as I can be um uh but the the developer does understand that we are very hesitant and you know not interested in doing a a ton of residential there um we have talked about doing 55 plus and senior housing
um they are willing to come back to the table and do senior housing which I think is great because we've promised doing that for a very long time um you know and I think that's a better use than we won't do hotels R so um so uh what we're going to do is
weend this right and then we will uh take it from here Fran sure Fran MCM MCM and Scotland and Balman Redevelopment Council to the buau so on September 5th 2024 the burough Council adopted resolution number 22324 which directed the land use board
to review the Redevelopment plan for a designated Redevelopment area um the buau has reviewed that draft Redevelopment plan and determine that they want to narrow the scope of the project and eliminate some of the um uses that were in that plan so rather
than send it to the land use board have the back and forth that sometimes happens with the land use board they make recommendations it comes back here the um uh Administration has determined to uh resend that resolution so it's not that Redevelopment plan is not going to go to the plan at land use board to be
reviewed and there is a new planner who's putting together a new plan incorporating the new vision for that um area yeah um does does that go ahead any yeah no I think it's it's a good result at the end of the day right and we we were clamoring for senior housing it's
not a bad location for senior housing and we'll get some senior housing finally real quick Fran one question I have because I think I need to talk to the planner tomorrow what's interesting is well I guess I don't think the ordinance is going to be passed by the time we do
anything but would they be beholden and if you need to do research on this go for it would they be beh Holden to the former 15% or the upcoming ordinance whereby we're requiring 20% for affordable housing I would say they there's I would
say 20% because there's no agreement with them at all there's nothing on the books in yeah this is like we're starting from square one now so 20% I think that's a result everybody was hoping for yeah helps us with those numbers sure cool any questions for
Fran okay cool uh please call the RO councilman Petroski yes councilman Johnson yes councilman signorella yes councilman Robina yes Council l yes counc yes six votes in the affirmative mayor the resolution is adopted oh we're almost done Okay resolution uh can I please have a motion to pass resolution
80 -25 Z moved 818 thank you guys I'm I'm losing it can can I have a motion to uh pass 8125 so movees second uh is there any discussion yeah well as far as the payment plan um
are they going to get their CEO since they're going to be on a payment plan Andrew um so they would be able to get their TCO they will not have their Co until they're fully paid what's the difference so the temporary C certificate of op occupancy can be
revoked uh T TCO there are certain conditions the construction official can put on it um he could only do certain floors only the common areas um they also can't refinance till they have a CL yeah so it's in their interest they don't have they don't have permanent approval of the project until they have
a a certificate occupancy so so they're they're paying I I only know so much about development but they're paying 20% interest rate right now based on their construction loan usually when a a developer gets done they switch to a different kind of loan I'm a little bit
over my skis um so they always want to get that final Co because they want to stop paying 20% interest so um I would say there's there's a lot not the least of which being we could revoke it um but I normally in these situations they want to get that they're going to pay this
because they want the COO very quickly so if they yeah basically if they don't pay it then we could revoke yeah we could roke the TC it and then and then same thing goes if they pay late and all those other I'll defer to Andrew but
yeah yeah I believe so okay it's a I mean it would be a it'd be a contractual violation right at that point do we put any like interest or anything since we're doing it like on a payment plan no I mean it it the terms are exactly stipulated in the resolution so there's
no interest there's no it they're going to pay in the same year that it would be due yeah how many I forgot how many how long is it mon for so for the sewer connection fee it's four equal installments MH and then for the residential development development fee
it's six equal installments and how many in six months within six months beginning July 16th okay and then for and for the sewer connection fee uh it's at the uh I believe it's at the time that the uh they apply for the
TCO which we're anticipating mid year good cool uh any further discussion please call the roll councilman patoski yes councilman Johnson yes councilman signorella yes councilman Rina yes councilwoman lies yes councilman Patel yes 6 affirmative mayor the resolution is
adopted okay uh may I have a motion to open the public portion on any subject matter so moved second uh all in favor anybody wish to come up and speak on any subject matter may do so now thank you thank you Fran thanks yeah
hello hey uh constant quintella 432 Walnut Street can you just a little closer to the mic const sure yeah okay so more building or more questions about the uh Bard ofed Bard ofed building your your building our
partially our building so uh we have at least obviously we don't speak for the entire Board of Ed but we do have a third of the members sitting here tonight none of us which have heard anything about that building being for sale in fact first notion of it being
swapped was a lovely Facebook article which sounded very positive it was very nice from you this weekend um I know you had said it has been up for disc question since Lauren harmes was here yep which I had actually heard was there any positive feedback from any of the
board members prior to this year yeah um I would say you know naming names I would say Lauren Paul bamon and I actually all discuss this you know I believe both of them said it was an absolute no correct no that's not at all true I mean if they can they can play
revisionist history right now but we've talked specifically as a matter of fact I think Paul had developer in mind um you know okay um just out of curiosity why if there were positive discussions for the past four years why did you pick
now to send uh someone to study the building yeah because there's an available building now right so I don't think that there's there's been thoughts of there's been a couple thoughts where um like I'll give you an example so the ramari building they're legally obliged
to give us um office space there right so actually with when Patricia first got superintendent first got uh put in we had spoken about offering offering that up yeah unfortunately the museum wants it real bad so that's not
available um uh actually I believe we even talked about potentially putting preschool there but for obvious reasons the parking parking's a nightmare yeah um so it had happened I mean I think it's right now is the culmination I mean candidly right so it was supposed to be
potentially a class five right distribution now it is so sorry that didn't work out I I'm good I I'll sleep fine at night one way or the other trust me um so the um it's just an empty an empty office building now so it just I
mean to be blunt it looks like hey no pun intended um it it's just it's an office building and you guys theoretically need an office right okay I mean you don't need one but I mean I've been there I'm 5' three and it's I'm like hitting the ceiling there I'm
51 I'm fit and comfortable okay got it fair enough um so I guess you the council doesn't own any part of that building cor and you have no part in the Board of Education right none I guess I'm just wondering where the board or where the
mayor and council's interest lies in studying that building I mean we work together on a lot of stuff constants I mean like like we could this is a little bit absurd I mean there's a number of touch points that we have have whether it's from the sleo here um you know
setting up events thank you for Lending us your superintendent or not your uh your what do you call Jan janitorial service absolutely yeah um you guys pay them so it's but but I have an interest so as mayor I have an interest in meeting my affordable housing requirements right I have I have an
interest in doing development that makes sense and I see an area that makes sense for development right I mean I think one of the sins of Rosel Park is everybody everybody thinks that we're too dense 100% right no disagreement here poor
urban planning is putting apartment buildings all on the outskirts of town agreed because if you're going to have Apartments you want them all in the center of town if you're going to have them because you want bodies there you want foot traffic there so not to throw any shade to anybody in the garden homes but like it's inefficient and poor urban
planning right so I feel like if we're going to have to do another 50 or 70 units I would like to do that in the central Corridor right where the Board of Education Office is potentially yeah okay yeah and and and what we did tonight was we allowed for the potential of that it is up to you and a majority
of the Board of Education to decide whether or not you want to act on that we are simply setting the table for an option and if you don't want to act on that that's up to you guys you're an independent board absolutely but I just our main concern is where the interests lied right now I'm sure I mean the the
insinuation is like it's a constant like it's a genuine question I guess like I said there's three members here who hadn't the interest lie in additional tax revenue the interest lie in potentially having three new pre prek build classes for you would you be
willing for the board of education on its own to get an independent study of how much the Board of Education building is worth as opposed to where I have no I have no control over what you do 100% we we just just to finish right like I'll give you a perfect example we're going
to buy I think the the the that we want to act on this oh is that Clos session stuff can I talk about this yeah it's it's coming out yeah whatever so we are looking to acquire um uh more additional parking in the downtown right um the Wells Fargo came and said hey we'll give
you this price or we'll sell to you for this price uh yeah they said whatever I could just talk about the numbers right they wanted to give it to it for 600k but the deal was we would allow their drive-thru to stay there right this Council said we'd rather just pay up front and have
the flexibility to kick them out if we want um they gave us their appraisal we did our appraisal um we actually went with their appraisal but I highly encourage you guys do the same right I I I'm I have no Authority nor would I ever
suggest that the Board of Education should just say like well the mayor thinks it's worth uh $3 million so that's what go with go go I heard the mayor thinks it's worth 1.5 the mayor has no clue the mayor has no clue what it's worth okay so all right well thank
you so much much for answering thank you yellow hello uh Jennifer Mano 415 filer Street yes so that my question comes on the affordable housing right so it seems as if tonight you are taken off guard by the new number of affordable
housing that has to be uh you know was mandated to Rosal Park y so I'm not but so it's not new news then no we found out about it November yeah it was early November or October yeah so we got a I mean look I
I'll throw the state under the bus as much as anybody else right like we got this information probably like a day or two after election day right and it was they printed out a number I think the original number was 70 I forgot what it was round up call it
70 right 73 call it 70 for for ease somewhere in that hemisphere um and then lo and behold the state's like okay well you need to accept or reject this number by February whatever was it third or fourth like nobody was happy about that um so I would say taken
off guard no now I I know what the the rough number is but yeah I mean we knew a number was coming um we did not get that number till I think late too late in the day and candly I apologized to all these Council people because you know they had to react within you know six weeks of not even 3 weeks of
figuring it out and they're like okay well what do we do here so I apologize to you guys for that so my question I guess maybe I'm a bit naive to this but there's been a lot of Apartments built very recently and one being built in right next to across the street from the high school yeah so why was that not
taken into consideration and now why are you looking to add more as you already said a very densely populated town you're looking to add more just to fill your quota but we've built a ton of new apartments I'm I'm so excited for this okay please answer my question so ramari
the building that uh is there any other questions because I it's going to take a littleit Time the only one go ahead I promise you that I I well I'm going to throw everybody else under the bus here but it's going to make sense in a second so we are in round four of whatever it's affordable housing Bingo well I forget
the technical term right um round three we were exempt from because of ramari so everybody loves to say oh the mayor's doing three massive buildings ramari was uh I love to I post about this several times it was a 2009 affordable housing
lawsuit uh which the burough lost and spent a crap ton of money fighting um you know and that was mandated affordable housing units the good news is that Exempted us from round three
right so round four our lawyers when I got elected encouraged us to we upped it tonight make a law where all new buildings had to have some affordable housing component so those ones that you're referencing by the high school they do count towards the number that is
part of the plan so let's just say the number ends up being 50 if there's six affordable units there that counts towards the 50 and now we only have to do 44 right that was me the other two buildings one pasted built before I was
there zero affordable units right very very big issue right right because we could have we could have got if you did 10% there it's it's 20 units right we're not talking about that second afford uh second building I'll take part responsibility for the the building the
so there's three phases to it the Redevelopment study the Redevelopment plan and the Redevelopment agreement when I got elected the Redevelopment plan was done and they wanted to pull was it a six seven story building then six six I said we're not doing another six-story building right I just I don't
want to see that big of a building I mean I think it actually looks good all things considered but like I was not I I do not like the first Meridia building I really really to my core like do dislike it there's a reason why we did it because it was a blighted area and you
need to start doing development somewhere but I would if I could undo that with all due respect to everybody who lives there hate it right uh sorry I'm getting my Italian going over that um it's really really hard as mayor to renegotiate from the start when you come in at the 11th hour so I had to pick and
choose my battles and the battle that I chose was to make sure that guys it could have been 400 units there right it's a miracle that it's 30 325 units there and everybody could say well mayor you could have just done nothing there I
could have done nothing there and we could still have a purple painted dilapidated building there right so you have to make some tough calls I I I really don't want to lay blame on the sins of the past right like the the raski thing it happened other
towns it happened to right like I'm not throwing rocks over that do I think we should have spent lawyer money fighting it no but it is what it is right so these older buildings they're grandfathered into the older amount like you can't go back to them now and say we need more affordable housing and it's really you're answering you're asking a really good question so I I can talk
unfortunately but you can't but I'm I'm glad you're doing this because I get to I get to explain the story and it's a very good question so affordable housing in the state of New Jersey there's a calculation by it right right and affordable housing units need to be built a certain way right so it has to
have certain square footage requirements it needs to have certain amenities right and you need to do you need to do certain like so many two-bedroom apartments so many one-bedroom apartments and so many studios so after it's done you can't really retrofit those and say Hey you know it's the
other and and then the last thing is look as much as it stinks right like it is hard to go back and you know the burrow if you theoretically could do it like I think you're I'll let the lawyer speak to it but you're probably putting yourself in a a pretty difficult legal
situation because you're you're kind of although it was a different Administration the burrow as an entity is kind of acting in bad faith saying well we approved this but now that you built this can you do this like do you understand where I'm coming from Mr lawyer am I am I off base
here I can't get this to work but no not at all exactly um if you go back and forth you're going to end up in court and it's going to be expensive simply um it's kind of exactly like the mayor said picking and choosing your battles you have to be tactical with these there's finite resources available um and it
really comes down to figuring out how to do it as clean as possible yeah but I may if I may um also just before we finish the story uh because I keep hearing you guys half of this Council never voted on apartment buildings I myself have never had the opportunity to
vote on any building so just to set that record straight please thank you yeah and just just real quick I I I it it's I don't I don't Meridia 1 the burrow had not seen any action in the longest time right and
I I I understand the lot the thought behind it is somebody had to come and invest right and somebody had to start it but you know the other thing is like look I'm 37 years old I got elected when I was 30 man it's been a dog years um I remember I remember I only think I
was living in Rosal park at the time but I remember coming home for Christmas and looking at Sullivan Chevrolet and my father complaining about well they wanted to put a strip mall there but everybody complained about the strip mall right so like you know there's been sins of the past that we're making up
for and I it sucks and I'm frustrated with you thank you for your explanation did that sound sincere thank you good it is uh okay the word of the night Michael Ryan 515 Locust Street hi
Mike this is the model of the development I have plans to build at the train station these buildings are called The Parkers the Locus house the Lincoln House the Chestnut House uh some of the council are familiar with it but I wanted everyone
to see have this chance to see it uh the design is a a result of significant planning and that is uh the focus of our planning was how to knit a development in this spot into the community and how
it could serve the community The Parkers are unlike any other of the buildings that have built in Rosel Park in the last few years all the other projects are are what is known as pancake buildings a pancake building it occupies
the entire site with parking at gray level and apartments above this project includes a park which will allow the continuation of the trail that's along the railroad on the east side of chest Street the
buildings will be divided by large wellc land uh Courtyards the parking will be Subterranean and hidden one of uh uh main objectives uh was planning how to connect the
apartments to the single family neighborhood along uh Lincoln Avenue it was obvious that we could not build a pancake type building along Lincoln that was the driving force behind the design of the three buildings uh I invite you to take a
close look at at the frontage on Lincoln Avenue residents along Lincoln Avenue and Filbert Street will view something similar to the existing neighborhood residential buildings separated by landscape yards you might wonder why I would go
through the additional work and added expense of these design attributes the answer is I care about Rosel Park I know that Council and mayor care about Rosel park that's evident by your dedication and sacrifice my concern is
more intimate I was born and raised in pent Rosel Park I grew up in this neighborhood I witnessed the end of Weston's Woods when they raised the rail and built a train station my father's business was at that site my mother
lived there while she was councilwoman and mayor those and thousands of other reasons are why I put extra thought and planning into this project a pancake type building is not the right building for that
site the transition of the train station is the center of town it is important that we build something that is woven into the community and create a place that they the community can be part of and proud of for the next 100 years I
urge you to move forward with this project yep Mike I I I appreciate your dedication on this oh really you guys are clapping for more Apartments wow really word
what hold on can I record this again hold on for these apartments you're I'm serious clap again go go go yeah thank you um I didn't actually record or we could do both um I Mike I'm on record I love this
project right I and I I'll say it on the record I I I I absolutely love this project right like not to sound snoody like but like this is very very like I've only seen this in Europe right like Oslo Norway is the only place where I've seen this design everybody else does the
big brick Meridia buildings right um Council has had issues with the density and I don't know how to go forward with that right um and I I'm not throwing anybody in the bus I understand it right I I will think I will say in council's
defense right it's one of the shames of Rosel Park is Cranford gets the benefit of having their train station in the middle of the historic downtown right our train station was just slapped in the middle
of a budding an R1 zone right and I think there's anxiety around that I'm not speaking for myself right um but I I believe that there's anxiety in the council and I'm not throwing anybody here into the bus we've had this discussion out loud so I wish I had a better answer for you he Mike can actually question uh was one of those
companies I mean uh from your um all those uh companies you listed that was in that area wasn't one of them oil company or something Ryan oil that was my father's it started out as a Coal Company am I allowed to talk yeah yeah yeah I it started as a Coal Company
evolved to an oil company to a service company and um we moved that company to did they mitigate the land there that's my concern well we've uh there was a project plann for this site back in 2008 you know what happened in 2008
we did have uh we did receive uh you the no further action letter from the uh you know from the state you have anyone check unfortunately so mik mik I I got I got to cut you so just just real quick Mike I I got to cut you off um but Greg I believe to be honest with you that
would be I would imagine part of the land use board right I think isn't the site kind of stuff part of because I'm concerned if if people are going to be there I want to make sure the land is true no 100% yeah that nature I I think it's something that you know what I mean Mike well that's why yeah I can't have the I can't have the back I can't have
the back and forth unfortunately but but understood the concern y yep I'm done yeah okay um anybody else want to come up and speak can I offer you an image sure I'll take it thanks Mike thank you sir
imim appreciate it brother still four stories 9 J JJ we can't we can't do this yeah yeah yeah uh Lucy yeah want to come up go ahead oh George whoever okay hi lucify gero 330 shardan Avenue Hi Li hi so everybody knows I was
running for three years for the board of vet yep and I was very excited when I got on yep so I personally have never seen that building you're talking about yep has have you gotten a approval from the board no so you haven't spoken to anybody nobody's seen the building uh no
I spoke to Britney I mean it was my understanding I had a rough sense that she was going to be the board president so I figured that would be a good person to start with okay I was just wondering because I personally have never seen the building I know what building you're talking about yeah so has anybody tore that building uh I have I know Britney
has um I would say I think you guys should right I think I I would say what's what's up this video oh yeah have you you haven't seen I've got my Lakers I've got my Lakers hoodie on yeah yeah I got it so you're you're getting me to say it like I've got nothing to hide
here right like I knew Britney was going to be the Board of Ed president I figured I'd start with her um if you guys want to go see it I would imagine that to even entertain this you're going to start with a memorandum of understanding right or something like that and you should go there you should kick the tires you should check it out
but like forgive me right like I guys can we just can we sidebar just so I can have this um uh I would say normally on these matters right if I'm talking to another town or another entity it's usually mayor to mayor or mayor to board
president or sometimes mayor to superintendent um it's my understanding that you guys have discussed I think internally at least some high level version of this if not then I'm I'm misinformed whatever not my business um but yeah 100% you look you're a voting member right if you say I'm not going to
vote Yes on this until I kick go go go talk to the rest of the board members exactly I just wanted to know thank you okay yeah hello hi mayor everyone how you doing Jake mosit 139 West Clay Avenue um procedurally number 76 can that be
revoted on any time in the near future I I defer to the lawyer and and uh the clerk I I I don't know we'd have to re reintroduce the resolution but it could be reintroduced is what I get yeah how long would that
generally take uh you could reintroduce reso whenever so it could be the before the next meeting uh it could be before the next meeting we'd have to call a special meeting um but but yeah we it could theoretically be before the next meeting okay so I heard a lot of nose
obviously y but I didn't hear any good reasons I heard security I heard maybe an odor it seems like we may not know exactly what the plan is for what the business is going to be operating as and I was curious if anyone has any questions or
could give me some serious NOS are we just anti-cannabis do we not want to give people jobs do we not want to see the taxes and everything that goes with a small business that is successful what is what's the nose where
are we coming from they were very good NOS I heard security they were very good NOS we said no that's it that's it yeah you saying it's not a good no I'm saying it's a good no I just was wondering if
there was any no question reasons we don't want it okay would we be okay if it was a bottling facility for liquor because I need to going to have to rent out the building or sell it
right down the line if there's no successful business going on so what could what do we suggest would be good for a small 3,000 ft manufacturing facility in that area a bakery what what are we thinking
a baker like to do a bakery that more right that would be beautiful Bakery um I love Bakery what exactly does anybody have any suggestions or should I just sell it to a developer and let him turn the whole thing into Apartments down the line that's where we end up right so
just curious if anyone has any suggestions at all no for the record just I'm I'm with you Jake just questions need to be addressed through the chair and and you guys can respond if you like okay so that's it you want to ask
or you can't I don't know Jake I'm I'm I no look you guys are welcome to to but you know Council and I differ on this right we're not always going to see eye to eye I am a I'm a proponent of it um it's legal I'd like to make money off of it you know Council just GES on me
disagrees with me on this wouldn't be the first time won't be the last um you know and I I can't I can't speak to these guys um but I can tell you from my perspective it's something that I support but I only vote in a tie and there was no tie here yeah that that's cool I was just curious just wanted to
know and see where we land um because their application is up and if we were going to possibly revote then that would be great and if there's no opportunity for that maybe we could have a presentation of some education as to what's going on here but there's nothing
that seems like this isn't a good use to that building I besides some opinions yeah so Jake I will say that I think it's a little bit of I you're running out of time 15 seconds um but I'll I'll mention this I think um this was put on
pretty quickly for some folks and that's partly because we were slow um in in in analyzing this um just so everybody knows the reason it was on this agenda is because the applicant has a state license that will expire um excuse me before the next meeting so it was
requested that it would be on this meeting to either get an exception or a rejection because they need it for continuing state license um you know look he's a small town business owner you know Council I'm not speaking for you guys if you want to go toward the
facility and and talk about the plans and and if you say hey mayor we should reconsider then you know you guys are counsel right you can tell me what you want to do um that's the only other thing I can suggest is a Way Forward um KJ your forthward councilman right if if you want to go
tour you know and kanjan says hey actually I I saw it and I'm good with you know I'm I'm happy to call a special meeting but I'm not going to do it um unless Council changes their mind because it's just going to be a waste of time um but I I encourage you guys um
counsel if you see it valuable you can talk to Jake afterwards if you don't um no no harm no foul here right um but but um totally up to you guys I'd say uh you know um KJ's been away uh so it's
been tough to get to him but you know it is his Ward so I think it's it's probably worth starting with him um you know and uh you know stick around to the end and if you nothing wrong with educational purposes but uh I mean the votes is the votes but I see no problem with the Ed yeah yeah yep yeah I mean
the votes are yeah exactly um but but stick around afterwards if any of these guys want to talk to you afterwards it's it's all you're you're able to speak to the councilman it's all only I could suggest cool thank you thank you yep uh anybody else
we allowed to come up twice come oh you came up the first time oh God sorry can you tell me how you like the development first can we start off on a positive note really like it's a really cool 430 wut uh I do like it no
because it's at the train station where it belongs not the bard of bed building um but I want to start by saying I'm sorry but thank you for voting no on that personal feelings aside about marijuana I have an issue with it being
within the 1,500 ft of a school that's the rule that that that should be the rule don't try to skirt the rule so it is what it is but that wasn't what I was coming up here to talk about um I actually wanted to talk about the pilot money okay um so I know we have we have
Meridia 1 and two I'm not sure what we're calling the one at the end of chessnut street oh the one at the end of Chestnut Street uh hero Chestnut I don't know whatever the name of that one isest yeah am 10 West okay uh Hunter property and Mimi's property did all of them receive pilot yes they all did okay yep
so correct me oh no MIM MIM did not MIM didn't okay all right so four properties did yep correct me if I'm wrong MH the municipal the municipality does not have to give any of that funds to the board of bed that's not true um
there is a percent I believe correct that they have to on the con on the conventional land taxes it's it's split conventionally with the board of educ ucation it is yes for the for the land taxes on the Improvement the pilot is on the improvements the pilot is on the building okay that is split between the
municipality and the county municipality gets 95% of the revenue the county gets 5% of the revenue okay the important thing to remember is anything the board of V asks or the county or open space or whatever the the library right the other levies they will get their Levy funding
okay so they you get we we charge the bill that you need to Bill when the when the Board of Education certifies this is the levy we need to raise right the municipality has to collect it whatever that looks like right yeah yes okay yeah so it's ultimately up to you what you guys you will get funded what you need
to get funded I I was just curious that there was a misunderstanding as to if a portion of the actual pilot money that came goes to the the school district the the the pilot which is on the Improvement does not go to the school the conventional land taxes that sit on
the land remain intact okay so the the basic what they were paying before when it was empty right well whatever the yes yes but I will say that there are there are improved values to land when there are you know say land use approvals on them I couldn't quote them to you now
but they they could be more than when the development started okay so we have the four properties we do get the land tax which I'm sure is a lot less than the pilot money that came in yep yes um so you there's no requirement to give
any to the school district obviously yep but they can't but you can sure has there ever been a discussion of giving a portion to the school district yeah there there has been discussion of it um so so two things I mean again I I really hate to just be like saying what the
other guys right there's there's a good portion of those that I cannot speak to right um um the problem is is it gets pretty difficult to calculate right um and at the end of the day right so what Andrew is saying and I I I I agree with
right is look the school gets funded at the levels you guys need to get funded right so we do not have we're we have much more restrictions but that money comes from the taxpayers yeah correct I mean your money comes from the taxpayers too but but I understand I was going to say but like I mean it's it's right
pocket left pocket Cindy is what I would argue right so so let's just say we get $100,000 from a pilot right so $100,000 could pay for a police department or police officer or could pay for a teacher right at the end of the day
right like that's still coming off theoretically the tax bill right so it's you know do we give it 5050 and you know you pay for half a teacher and half a cop right like at the end of the day it's still going towards the tax bill is what I would argue
right it's I I understand philosophically where you go but you know it's I I was just curious how it worked because um there was some miscommunication back and forth as within the Board of Ed members of how exct that work I thought a small portion of it went to Board of Ed in the county
but I I'm it did but apparently it doesn't unless the municipality decides to give a portion of your I could swore it was like 5% I mean which is not not much but but I could have swore there was something but anyway I I was educated tonight then too okay yeah all right thank you
cool anybody else all right I'm seeing no one may have a motion to uh close the public Z moves second all in favor I oh we still have reports uh we do have we do have we do have a close session
session it's gonna be quick though you want to skip it pull the band and do it okay uh may I have motion to go and close I need to so moved oh you got to read the thingy yeah whereas the May and Council the
verb Rosa Park we should discuss matters which to describe by the New Jersey open public meetings Act njsa 10 4-12 and where is the general nature of the subject to be discussed and closed session or contract negotiations with the township of Clark and where is the time when the circumstances under which the item discussed in Clos session will be disclosed to the public at a future time now therefore be resolved the mayor
and Council of bur Rosell Park and the county of union state New Jersey do adjuring the open portion of the meeting and open a closed portion to discuss the aforementioned item need a motion to go and close CL Z moved second uh all in favor I I
okay e e e e e e e e e
e e e e e e e a motion to Recon do I have a motion to reconvene second uh all in favor I mayor in close
session of the governing body discuss contract negotiations with the township Clark no resolution is being uh has come to there's there's no resolution at this time okay cool uh we're going to skip SK updates cuz everybody's fried um see you next meeting uh may have a
motion to adjourn so moved second all in favor the weirdest ending we've had for