this meeting is being held in accordance with the New Jersey open public meetings act annual notice this meeting was published in the Union County local Source The nework Star Ledger said notice was Post in the municipal building and a copy is on file with the office of the burrow clerk fire fire exits are located in the directions I'm
indicating if you are alerted for a fire please move in a calm orderly manner to the nearest smokefree exit proper noce Haven been given the bur clerk is directed to include the statement in the minutes of the meeting please call the rooll councilman Petroski here councilman Johnson president councilman sella here councilman Rina present
councilwoman Lions here councilman Patel here mayor signorella here all present mayor uh opening prayer Pledge of Allegiance Eternal God grant us thy help in all our duties and perplexities we ask for thy guidance give us thy protection in our dangers and Sorrows grant us thy peace amen
the United States of America and to the repblic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty Jus for all uh okay uh couple proclamations tonight um we have uh recognizing Black
History Month Rod where you at come on up man look um so I was GNA have uh Chris Monroe um come up because he's the head of the diversity inclusion committee and he's like dude you got to get somebody else to get this so we thought about
people um who uh you know create black history Rosal Park and uh Rod is a second W Council me or second ward uh resident a former Board of Ed member uh and just an all-around good guy um beautiful family always been there for
me when I needed him um and you know in honor of that you know in you know honor of your contribution to Rosel Park and our little piece of black history here I wanted to give you a proclamation for Black History Month uh Round of Applause for Rod um
I don't know if you want to say anything robod yeah say a few words yeah yeah this is this is Mayor height so let me fix that can I just take it off yeah there you go E's here yeah easier well firstly thank you um honorable mayor and um Council for this bestowing this award this Proclamation on me it's certainly
an honor and I'm privileged to live in such a community where people like to serve the community and you know I I'm definitely a firm believer of serving your community as well as being on the board of aded I was on a board of the Board of Health for a number of years um
serving Rosel Park um and it it's just totally been bit an honor little piece of black history since it is Black History Month I'm a member of alpha F Alpha Fraternity Incorporated founded as the first interc Colgate Greek letter
fraternal Organization for black men in the in the world um I stand on the shoulders of those Brothers before me for example Dr Martin Luther King th Good Marshall Fred Frederick Douglas um Paul Robison and Dr Cornell West just
the name a few um and our motto is first of all Servants of all we shall transcend all and I just want to give a a plug out black history for the first black fraternity organization in the world alphaa Fraternity Incorporated so
thank you well first off I wanted to call him doctor I think that's important uh and and and we appreciate I'm basically saying the same thing to the mayor but we appreciate your service in the community and that's why it just makes sense and we and we hope you feel better too as well yeah I don't want to say
anything but we're glad to see you on your feet absolutely hanging around absolutely so thank you cool six pictures yeah my son a so cute yeah dude the daughter's taller than me it's bad smile for the camera I only got
a couple of pictures here sorry late coming from work that's my bro there thank you thank you so much too pick you [Music]
up that's enough Mak of the mayor for one night um got this is all you oh you sign yeah okay all right
so good evening Sue Natalie come on up watch on TV right where's where's the camera there okay hi so bringing up uh Su graso and her daughter Natalie
I like there's a proclamation for I should pronounce Katarina sheepers casselli was born inia vaporia Regio cabria Italy and February 12th 1925 Katarina sheers casselli immigrated to
America by boat on January 23rd 1936 whereas upon arriving America Kina sheers casselli landed in the port of New York and lived in Elizabeth New Jersey until 1942 whereas in 1942 canarina sheepers casselli moved to Rosel Park New Jersey
married on June 16th 1946 at the church of assumption and resided in the burough to 1997 Cina shephers casselli raised five children and Rose Park and whereas Ka shephers casselli moved to barnegate New Jersey and may of 1997 currently
lives there resides there on February 12th 2025 Katarina shephers casselli C celebrated her joyous occasion on her 100th birthday wow therefore be proclaimed that Joseph sarella Jr um excuse me the third mayor sarella of
burough Rosal Par County Union state of New Jersey to hereby especially Proclaim congratulations and extend well wishes to Ina sheepers Celli on the occasion of her 100th birthday so if she's out there
us I'll just say a couple words I know uh Mr casselli since probably was about this little when I used to go to church assumption she sat in the uh fifth or sixth grow and uh on the right hand side and me and my grandmother and my aunt Josie we used to sit by her and I got to
know her for many years ago and we all sat in the same aisle over there and somebody sat in our rows you know you got the the look but um another uh so her main name is shepis and uh a love beloved a friend of mine Tony shepis was
the fire chief prior to me back in the day and uh I miss him dearly so um congratulations God bless and uh I saw her two weeks ago at her party and she looks great I don't know the daughter has some Secrets but if you could share
them share them so congratulations thank you I just want to say on behalf of my mom and my three sisters and my brother we're going to accept this Proclamation uh humbly and we're so blessed to have our mother for a hundred years she
drives she cooks she cleans uh we are truly blessed so thank [Applause] you and I just want to say I know you
got air mailed or overnighted something from the governor but you know this is this has got a personal touch so we tried to tried to get there for you thank you engineer engineer and photographer yeah there you go thank you
beautiful job Mike what's going on brother it's good no we don't need it I'll take I'll take the mic though just move the just move that over toward the yeah it's fine uh
okay all right oh is she really okay I'd like to get out too I'll come join better than this um uh okay so now this gets pretty boring uh we have a bunch of Engineers here that are going to bore us to tears
um no in all seriousness um we have neglia engineering here um and uh this is a culmination of a lot of work that we've done uh obviously uh since I've been mayor you I look I grew up here um since I've been mayor we've probably seen the most like
intense rains in the last two decades and uh our our system storm water systems getting strained um there's a couple particular problem areas um that we notice uh so we had negly engineering do c of sort of a thorough investigation
as to what's going on and uh I think it runs through most of our Wards so rather than doing this in some kind of committee I thought it was best just to have negli here and walk us all through what they found uh so Tomas uh I hand it over to you and uh looking forward to
hearing what you got I'm not sure you want to hear it but that's fine but thanks for the introduction racing myself for it it's good to see everyone May and Council uh administrator Casias uh I do have the brains behind the operation with me Mike gormy and Daniel Blaine I'm Tom sarro we work for Neal
group uh as the May stated we were tasked with performing uh a storm SE evaluation in certain portions of the burrow um so basically back in October of September uh September October last year um we prepared a plan in speci
ification to do a Clos circuit telis internal TV inspection and cleaning of storm sewer lines um what's presented in front of you on paper as well as digitally up on the screen I know it's kind of hard to see um the first exhibit really is is an overall project limit map and
basically the limits were from uh Lehigh Avenue uh to the north which is the highest highest reach are the most uh Upstream elevation of the system televised uh basically transversing confing all the way down to East Westfield Avenue um down by Locust
Street so basically it was Lehigh Avenue to Lincoln to Spruce uh through some easements on Cherry and Birch uh the Westbrook stream if everybody remembers uh that location between clay and East Grant Avenue um through Walnut Street Charles Williams Chestnut uh filbert and
ultimately down to Route 28 where acrosses Route 28 into Roselle Morris's Creek if everybody remembers Morris's Creek and and then the Arthur Kill Where It ultimately drains um to Mar's point the burrow I commend a burrow for you know always be Pro trying to be
proactive and protecting the health safety and Welfare of of of its constituents the public and the residents of Rosel Park um trying to determine uh infrastructure deficiencies uh flooding mechanisms um defects anything that could be in line with um
potential flooding mitigation and control measures which thear would try to sponsor either through grants or or Capital funding uh to help mitigate that and do some Capital infrastructure and projects so uh before you tonight again there's an overall map from Lehigh down to East Westfield Avenue we we took and
we created Five priority areas um from our findings uh National water main was to hired contractor via uh the local public contracts law um we spent about 200 and the budget was around 200,000 I think it was the end of the day we spent around 215,000 so we had to cut off the
investigation so the majority of the infrastructure within the limits as has been has been televised and investigated there were a couple spot areas um due to the budget constraints we had to take out at this point in time uh potentially we can get back in there for an additional phase of work um but National
War main went in there um with TV equipment and also Manpower they were also into pipes uh televised the areas in question cleaned out the areas in question um a tremendous amount of debris um some collap they actually did cleaning while
they were there too yes part part of the project mayor was to not only investigate and see what the issues were but also to clean as much as possible so they spent I believe 20 or 21 days out in the field for you know between four to five weeks um they removed roughly
120 tons of material wow which if you equate that to uh it's about 100 cubic yards which is about 10 to 12 standard size garbage truck um that garbage trucks dump trucks or if anyone sees like a asphalt trucks that's crazy it's a lot
of material y um for for various reasons um you know e eal dumping Street sweepings um um yeah erosion just erosion of the general infrastructure it is Antiquated it is outdated um some of it goes back
to you know 60 70 80 90 years old right so it needs a little TLC um Tom is there when you do this is there a way to kind of get a sense for like the last time any of this has been done or it's just like it's it's probably been decades I would assume right this Administration
has been proactive so there have been over the last few years different areas if you remember we went out and we televised and cleaned um behind by by Costas the open Channel ditches yeah uh that's true there have been some so there have been select but against to your point known problem areas within the Barrow correct um so we're trying to
get our hands around that so their money has been sent uh spent but I'd say overall from the town my perspective which most towns are it's kind of out of sight out of mind but again you're trying to bring it to the Forefront front um so that's always always appreciated and I'm sure you the public would appreciate that too yep so
basically what we did was on the overall map we created Five priority areas uh one being the most intense and requires probably the most immediate attention and five being the least um typical encounters that that were or defects that were found were uh
you know pipes that had flat slopes to them they're not pitched at all uh or they were back pitched um you know creating a ponding condition in the in the pipe um a lot of debris buildup um misalign joints where pipes you marry up to one another whether horizontally or vertically that creates um situations in
areas where all debr just kind of sticks to that area and continues to back up causing the blockages um voids in and some of the covert walls um we have all different infrastructure type makeup pip and materials we have reinforced concrete pipe we have um box coverts we
have Cobblestone covers we have brick Arch there's a whole bunch of other materials in there which is which is standard and normal practice through you through the course of time but that old material starts to wear out you know scouring the amount of volume and and flow of water that goes through there so
it starts to um deteriorate some of the walls into the bigger coverts um that material falls down into the pipe again creating Flow Restriction but also uh struggling structural Integrity issues which needs to be addressed rate so those are the higher priority items which would be under priority number one
um we have exposed rebar um of some of the reinforced areas we have dis dislodged bricks Stones um we found some bubbler type basins in the system which basically water gets into the way it's supposed to function water gets into the system
through the through the Basin the bottom is supposed to be perforated so water gets in there and kind of permeates into the ground and then there's an overflow higher pipe elevation in there if the water gets too intense it can flow out and we found a lot of those bubble or basins were just s sedimented in so no water could
could percolate into the ground and to help to help mitigate uh some stormw control um we found root intrusion we found uh utility Crossings within our within our storm sewer systems whether it's uh gas Mains water mains which
obviously impact conveyance of some of our pipes in our system which could which could lead to some of our flooding concerns um there's a whole ity of of of scenarios that that we just encountered that I just EXP explained um yep go over
it yeah yeah yeah yeah that's what I was looking for listening you there are some streets that we might have some utilities that went through our yeah space or whatever and uh could be impacting this speci I
think we could go after them specific back or ask why well all no one's going to tell you why um but we've encountered this already right like we've had a couple emergency absolutely this standards doesn't make it right um
happens the that you're talking that we're talking about now coun is like in theil and and Lincoln they have utility Crossings right within our cross sections over our Culvert again not only capacity issue but it's also Dam basically it's a bottleneck of material and water trying to come down through that section um Listen by all means you
know part of the recommendations as we continue to go down this path with the administration is and L we need to bring to these other entities whether it's utility companies whether it's the Culvert under route 28 which is which is state owned or state participating Lincoln Avenue is a county it's a county road we wouldn't want to get all those
agencies including utility companies I'm sorry sorry didn't we experience this a little while back also with Walnut too like around Walnut or something like that uh there was one so there was one that we had emergency there's two that I remember we had emergency work where there was uh water coming up and it was
because American Water was jutting into our system where were the intersections I think that was Walnut that was Walnut was yeah yeah damn all right so we would want to get in face to face with these other jurisdictions to say Hey listen you know you need to help us out here
yeah Tom one thing to to note isn't the state DOT is do doing a refresh of Route 28 right pretty soon uh they just did it over the last they're doing chip sealing I'm sorry they're doing chip seal oh is that yeah because don't forget they they put in the sidewalks and The Pedestrian improvements and they Mill and pave
three years ago maybe yeah it wasn't long ago but I I what they're as what if they're doing fresh they're doing chips so they'll they'll do a very surface level Mill and then they'll okay they'll put us but doesn't mean we can't bring up to the table yeah I mean they also never there's the one area that you're highlighting that they literally never
went over because they were afraid of caving in the the yeah we can get into that mayor so we have different priorities like we talked about an overall map there there is supporting um Google inventry Maps and also uh we have a photo location plan we don't have to
go through every one of them in detail tonight we'll be here for six hours but it's it's there for your edification and obviously if anybody has any questions um but basically the photos are labeled and they're identified on the Google imagery map as to where they are in the town system um but the biggest problem areas are a covers right um there are
larger diameter infrastructure again stone stone Bas Stone bottom half stone walls um CMU concrete block M ring walls on top uh reinforced concrete bridge decking on top um all that stuff is there's areas where it's decaying it's it's
dilapidated it's falling in um I'm not saying it's going to collapse tomorrow um it's not a safety concern but it is an issue that needs to be addressed um you know whether any type of improvement listen there's various ways to skin a cat you know whether it's a total
replacement whether it's bypass installation which would require hydraulic study which we've been doing some stuff for the burrow on the side with that um could be internal improvements it could be shot shot creating or gunite which basically they spray cement C cementa material with some rebar uh to give it more structural
strength it could be slip lining with a high poly liner I mean the list is long um we haven't figured out what those improvements would be yet we're not we're not ready to present that tonight but I'm you know when we wrap up this evening my recommendation would be hey to continue to go down uh revealing this
information you know the firm itself creates kind of like a mini master plan of improvements further identify the issues of concern label them out um have them in order come up with some cost estimating yeah I was gonna say if you have some cost estimates attached to it that'd be helpful then we can sit down and and brainstorm maybe how you want to
continue to move down U to help mitigate some of these measures but again the biggest areas in question priority number one um that's down East Westfield Avenue and Filbert Street uh if everybody members we always had problems by um you know
McDonald's over there y back in the day y um again state agency with Route 28 we should definitely get them involved if we decide to do something there um priority number two and 2A they're kind of the same again they're bigger bigger COV areas that's over by Grant
Avio and Union and also uh over on Lincoln Avenue again which is which is county jurisdiction and you have two and two ages because you kind of ranked them them together originally onlc May was really two and three and I said it listen they should be both two okay and and is it just because they're they run along the same strip or because they're
of the most they're they they're uh determination is that they're pretty intense and um they should be in line with right after work that we want to do on rout got so so one is like you really Hey listen this is the first point of location where we really should consider
potentially spending additional fund two is like also it's right behind it yeah it's right behind it okay and this you got to understand I mean these are Highway trafficked areas you have you know you can just imagine the ADT and the truck traffic that comes across Route 28 right and also on Lincoln Avenue I listen I know that Culvert well
on Lincoln Avenue I think it's more on the curb line than the sidewalk people drive people access their houses through with their aprons and their driveways y I've seen some voids from the top you know so Tom you're saying uh one can you help me out and we could talk offline
more number one is the actual the because I walk through it I've been in it the one that goes down by the uh Tire PL uh tire store and across or is it by the bowling alley
bowling it's going to be more um are the bowling out it's gonna be on the north side of 28 right so it's going to be more where Williams uh where Williams ties into filber as it heads down to Route 28 yeah okay so just knowing that much I always thought that was the weak
link there I mean a lot obviously a lot of problem areas that you see or that are circled in black on on the overall map you they're the typical areas in town that you know in town right so yeah yeah I mean none of this is shocking right these are it's not shocking uh but you you task us with trying to find out
why we have issues a wise guy I you're I know you're not sorry Tom it's okay I miss coming here may I really did but uh yeah so B I mean up on the screen is a Google image of you know priority number one area 105 over by fil
bird and Westfield and basically where it says 1 a CB D EFG and H that that those are the photo logs that are also on everyone's everyone's desk up there so if you want to see you know what the pipe looks like in that location listen we we have better digital copies we have
um these are just obviously printed PDFs but we we were given CDs and thumb drives uh from National watermain of all the information that they that they acquired out doing their investigation so two on 2A Tom I think I remember you guys were having a issue getting from one end to the other in that area didn't
something something was like not tied together does any of this ring a bell do you remember this Andrew uh I don't recall on Lincoln I thought it was more over by Clay Avenue and bir and Cherry but you guys can correct me if I'm wrong was um if oh there was okay go ahead yeah if I'm not mistaken there was a gas
pipe like quite loting the mle so they couldn't get the um so they used a wheeled robot with a camera on top of it view inside of it yep Oh sorry so they they essentially used a wheeled robot to get inside of the actual Culver and because the pipe was
in quite L the middle of it they couldn't get it under or over so they had to back out and then go through the other side yeah so using like that as an example like is I know we'll discuss all this and I don't want to be here all night but like I'm assuming a gas pipe's not supposed to be running through that or
is that kosher okay got it so like is that something we could like highlight to Elizabeth Town and be like yeah fix this absolutely correct and listen this is nothing uh new to them this is standard in every one of other towns again doesn't make it right but we should bring them to the table and say Hey listen how can you help us out here
y y cool um yeah listen again we can we can talk at length forever but um um yeah I think you guys I think you guys get an overview uh do do you have any anybody else have any questions yeah I have yeah go for it okay i' I've been getting a
lot of complaints on kofax and Spruce kfax and Spruce yeah I see it yeah uh What complaints are you getting councilman flooding very bad flooding um and pretty much every time it rains they
even said the DPW brings barricades over there and then lately they've been bringing uh cones is that is that a new flooding condition recently or no it's been like that for a long long time um so you guys not inter counil but you guys have that
identified as priority five we do right we do um but that doesn't mean we can't provide you know additional investigation to see what's going on there I mean I don't is that a FEMA flood zone area I'm not quite sure uh I didn't look at the FEMA map before I came here um but sure um really quickly
is it along Spruce Street itself right on the corner Spruce and C it's kofax Avenue so the one uh the one resident they're uh they have basement windows and it's ground level so if they don't get the cones out there in time or
the barricades it floods and when the people ride through it actually goes down their seller so they've been on my case a lot sorry so um when we did the storm water cleaning it was actually found that that entire pipe down Spruce
Avenue or Pardon Me Down Spruce Street was essentially filled with roots okay so that could have been in inhibiting all the uh storm water flow as well as um the pipe itself is relatively flat um I want to say that's probably I I I haven't looked at it recently I want to
say there's only maybe a couple inches of height difference between the top and the bottom so water could just be not flowing through it enough so yeah hopefully it hopefully the roots being cleared out helps it a little bit but okay we would need to and five truck of
uh five trioxys and material taken out throughout that part of the system but I also want to tie this whole thing together listen we're all familiar hopefully now with um the municipal separate storm water uh ms4 permit which the town has um which we've been trying to get into compliance help the burrow
get into compliance so we did GIS mapping and asilt mapping starting last year so we have all the invert information or asid inflammation of the storm sewer facility to Daniel's Point flat slopes back pitch pipes we can start doing hydraulic
calculations and find drainage areas that actually go into that system um to see maybe the pipe is undersized or maybe the slope is inadequate how do we find ways to provide additional conveyance when did the actual cleaning happen the clean it was um I would say November and December yeah so it might
be interesting Joe just to see next time we get a big storm to see if it helped out at all I will I mean either way we should you know it's it's on the list of things to do but hopefully the cleaning maybe gave it a little bit of you know better flow I know one resident's been
complaining he lives on Lincoln yeah and Spruce yeah and he says but I told him when I was a kid I used to go swimming oh it's always been a problem yeah yeah it's always been a problem and I'm talking 50 years ago that this was yeah it's always been a problem but but I I
also tell him it's a county road too it is a County Road Lincoln is anyway Lincoln that's but don't forget if there's no improvements done down you know that that's the highest point of the part where we where we studied right so that's the Upstream piece of it you know if there's no improvements done Downstream and there's issues Downstream
that conveyance capacity is is affect negatively affected so the water that's Upstream of that is going to have problems trying to discharge further down towards Route 28 so even though the problem might not be right at Spruce and kofax it could be Downstream over there okay which has to be rectified or
cleaned out or bypass line or pipe replac which will allow the water to free flow from above it if that makes sense yeah well I know they've been also having some problems with sink holes um resent
on Lincoln it actually was a big you know um and and that's been going on for a couple years I know years ago they just threw dirt in there to cover up but standard practice and then actually his uh driveway actually saw it started to go down yeah well don't forget because
what happens there is all the fines and the soil material starts to move and and gets basically pushed out of there so there's no more structural support of the of the base so okay thank you but again this all ties to the ms4 infrastructure and perit requirements which the bur is responsible to to take care of so um that all ties to the map
we're put together that we're assisting thearrow with and we will continue to do with um you know the annual report is due every May we'll help provide B assistance with that and obviously with the information we have we can also do hydraulic modeling to potentially uh investigate any other you know low-lying areas or flooding areas where the bir
may want to have reviewed and potentially um you know improvements implemented at that location yep cool have a question yeah go for it sure thank you Tom you said many of these issues are being caused by or involve other jurisdictions uh including utility
companies state DOT how confident and you've mentioned this has been an issue in other municipalities as well how confident are you that they'll take ownership of it and actually assist the municipality and getting it solved and not putting the owner the owners on your mic by the way J I understand I got your
question on top of it like this yeah go Clos there we go want my true answer not very confident um utility companies listen I've seen workmen they they took out some of the utilities and move them further down the road no no issue at all other towns it's been an issue trying to
negotiate to get them to take care of that where it's gotten uh threatened up to the legal level and uh lawsuit so um the dot I mean we we need to get them on board early if that's something the B wants to do or have further investigate
um we all know that those jurisdictions kind of like ours when we do our budget you know they're one two three years out so even though they say hey we'll look into it and they say we'll put money up for it that's something that's not going to come anytime soon um they're two three years down the road um those I
feel a little more comfortable getting participation with than potentially the utility companies County too maybe and the county to on Lincoln yeah okay all right thank you for your uh but listen if we don't ask we definitely don't get anything correct hey Jay we could bring that up at the next NJ dot meeting you
got that right y all right thank you I mean and again this is just a broad overview I mean there's definitely more detail we can provide but no this is this is great I think um you know as we go into budgeting season you know uh some rough estimates and and you know kind of that hit list I think is probably the next thing that we need no
problem we'll continue um to hit the ground running with it and we'll provide more additional information as it as it comes cool good work guys thank any other questions you know where to reach me appreciate thank you good to see everyone yep thank you thank you Tom okay uh may I have a motion to prove
meeting minutes pending any corrections so second all in favor I may have a motion that bills and payrolls be not read and pass for payment so moved second all in favor I may have a motion to open the public portion on agenda items only so moved second all in favor
I any wish come up and speak may do so now on agenda items good good evening oh it's on perfect hello how are you um so sorry Cindy Mago 433 Walnut Street I am curious about resolutions 69 and 70 The
Professional Services contract for 510 chest Street also known as the Board of Ed office um the board of education has not yet discussed nor voted on this so just my input would be to not spend
money on it until it's been approved by the board of aded yeah I mean I think uh there's a couple things so I there's two pieces to and again it's up to you guys to vote on whether or not you want to do it right and if you think it's a good deal if not it's not the end of the
world I will say we haven't even had the discussion yet so not not going to get into a tit fortat on this it's up to you guys but I can say you know it's something that I've talked about since like the Lauren Harms days right so um I would say holistically doing a study it's there forever right so whether you
guys want to do it now or somebody wants to do it 10 years from now or whatever it's there it's enshrined um but I also think that there's going to be two pieces of the puzzle here right so as we've discussed where does the burrow get involved right so the burrow does not get directly involved with the transaction that's totally up to you
guys but the negotiation is going to be potentially with a developer that says okay well to make this work I need to be able to do X Y and Z so if there's a study that says well you know you can only put a jungle gym there right maybe
it's not as attractive to a developer right so while I agree that this might be putting the cart before the horse and you know candidly this might be something that doesn't come to fruition um that land is only as valuable as what you could do on it correct so so it's
same for the Westfield Avenue exactly so that's so that's the thing is right so I there's there's a real world where you know let's just say study comes back or councils comes back and says we're only going to allow a one story building there right the developer might say
thanks but no thanks I I can't do anything there like it's not worth the trade so I unfortunately that's going to be a part of the calculus for them and you know we're putting this at risk as you guys might vote it down but it's going to inform their decision I I would
imagine so does that make sense it it does I mean it was just my suggestion just to at least wait until after it was discussed it does it does look funny doing it in tandem but you have to think about right like again you know this bur
hall right if we just sell it and say well you can only put um a Trader Joe's here because everybody wants a Trader Joe's then it's worth one yeah right yeah I would love one too um then it's worth one they don't want to be here I yes sadly I I don't know but we do have
a cool new coffee shop coming in I was actually check out the sign on chest Street um but um too many coffee shops now um but uh you know again like if we zone for the record I'm not saying we should do this if we Zone a 10-story apartment building here then the land is
worth way more so that's going to factor into the negotiations there okay cool fair enough thank you you anyone else I am seeing no one uh may have a motion to close so moved second all in favor I I uh okay
uh may I have a may have a motion to accept the reports of departments as submitted so moved second all in favor I uh please read ordinance number 2806 by title yes mayor ordinance 2806 is an ordinance for second reading and public hearing
and ordinance amending ordinance number 2802 fixing the salary ranges of non-union employees and officials of the Bell Park in the county of union state of New Jersey uh may I have a motion to open the public hearing on ordinance number 2806 so moves second all in favor I and like to come up and speak on this
ordinance I'm seeing no one uh may I have a motion to close the public hearing on ordinance number 2806 so moved second all in favor I I may have a motion to adopt ordinance number 2806 so moved second um is there any
discussion I seeing none please call the role councilman Petroski yes councilman Johnson yes councilman signarello yes councilman Rina yes councilwoman Lions yes councilman Patel yes so it's in the affirmative mayor the ordinance is adopted uh okay please read ordinance number 20 2807 by title yes mayor
ordinance 287 is an ordinance for second reading and public hearing and ordinance amending chapter 16 of the code of the burb Rosell Park entitled building and construction establishing a section two entitled lead Bas paint inspections may I have a motion to open the public portion on ordinance number 2807 so moved second uh all in favor I like to
come up and speak on ordance number 2807 I am seeing no one may have a motion to close the public hearing on ordinance number 2807 so moved second uh all in favor I may have a motion to adopt ordinance number 2807 so move second is there any discussion please
call the role Council Petroski yes councilman Johnson yes counc sarella yes councilman Rina yes councilwoman Lions yes councilman Patel yes 6 the affirmative mayor the ordinance is adopted uh okay please read ordinance number 288 by title yes mayor ordinance 2808 is an ordinance for introduction
ordinance amending chapter 40 section 3303 of the code of the burb Rosel Park entitled affordable housing programs with specific amendments to paragraph B entitled affordable housing set aside requirement for residential development including areas in need of Redevelopment or Rehabilitation uh may I have a motion
to approve order number 2808 for introduction and refer to the municipal land use board for statutory review and fix a date for second reading public hearing as March 20th 2025 so moved second um is there any discussion Craig you want to talk about what this is yeah I could talk about it
go forward so yeah my thoughts about this the reason why I put this up front is uh my thoughts about this is I wanted to show the courts in good faith that uh that we're trying to uh comply with affordable housing since we're in stage
four and and by increasing it from 15 to 20% uh makes uh Rosal Park a little bit more defensible against build Builders remedy lawsuits so I'm just trying to help mitigate that before any um developer get too
cute sounds good uh that was a good summary of it uh any further discussion that good okay please call the r andury councilman Petroski yes councilman Johnson yes councilman sella yes councilman Rina yes counc Lions yes councilman Patel yes six votes the
affirmative mayor the ordinance is introduced okay uh all matters listed within anwers are considered to be routine and non-controversial by the council and will be approved by one motion there will be no separate discussion of these items unless a member of the governing body Ser requests in which case the item will be removed from the consent agenda and
considered in its normal sequence on the agenda as part of the general orders Andrew please read all resolutions by title yes mayor resolution 6725 is establishing the 2025 summer hour schedule for bur Hall resolution 6825 is accepting the recognation of April mcneel from the position of parking
enforcement officer resolution 6925 is awarding a Professional Services contract to the negle group for professional planning Services associated with the non-c condemnation Redevelopment study of block 504 lot six of the municipal tax map commonly known as 510 Chestnut Street with all streets and rights of way pertinent theto and an
amount not to exceed $8,000 resolution 725 is awarding of Professional Services contract McMan and Scotland and Balman LLC for redevelopment Council Services associated with the non-c condation Redevelopment study of block 504 lot 6 of the municipal tax map commonly known as 510 Chestnut Street with all streets
and rights of way pertinent there too in an amount not to exceed $6,500 resolution 7125 is terminating the Professional Services contract with Consulting and Municipal Engineers for the for the preparation of a Redevelopment plan for Block 606 Lots 25
26 27 28 29 30 31 32 3 6.01 and 38 of the municipal tax map commonly known as 112 Locust Street 101 West Westfield Avenue 105 West Westfield Avenue 111 West Westfield Avenue 115 West Westfield Avenue 121 West Westfield Avenue 129 West Westfield Avenue 133 West Westfield
Avenue 147 West Westfield Avenue and 159 West Westfield Avenue along with all streets and rights away pertinent there too resolution 7225 is awarding Professional Services contract to NE group for professional planning service associated with the preparation of a Redevelopment plan for all the things they just read uh along with all streets
and the rights of away perent there too in an amount not to exceed $7,750 resolution 73 is awarding um authorizing the B clerk to auction unclaimed Vehicles resolution 7425 is authorizing change order number one to Pino Builders LLC for the project 2024
Capital Road program and the amount of a $228 52 increase to reflect the total contract amount of $ 59,6 77777 after all change orders resolution 7525 is authorizing the donation of one phone booth to the Bur of kennworth
resolution 7625 is granting conditional approval of the application submitted by veritus MFG LLC for a local Class 2 cannabis manufacturer license resolution 7725 is authorizing submission of the 2025 Union County infrastructure Municipal aid grant resolution 7825 is
authorizing the First Amendment to a settlement agreement between the bur Rosel Park and the City of Elizabeth resolution 7925 is authorizing the treasure to issue three checks totaling $621 1463 payable on one lean payable to one lean holder on three properties and three checks totaling $22,000 from the
tax collector's premium account resolution 80-2 resending resolution number 22324 directing the municipal lanu sport to review a draft Redevelopment plan for Block 606 slots 2526 27 28 29 30 31 32 3601 and 38 of the municipal tax map of
the B Rosal Park commonly known as 112 Locust Street 101 West Westfield Avenue 105 West Westfield Avenue 111 West Westfield Avenue 115 West Westfield Avenue 121 West Westfield Avenue 129 West Westfield Avenue 133 West Westfield Avenue 147 West Westfield Avenue and 159
West Westfield Avenue along with all streets and rights of way pertinent there too as a non-c comination area needed Redevelopment pursuant to local Redevelopment Housing law NSA 48 col 12 A-1 at SEC resolution 8125 is authorizing a payment plan for the
remaining sub connection fees and residential development fees associated with Building B of the Redevelopment project located at block 610 lot 3.01 of the municipal tax map commonly known as 10 West Westfield Avenue and resolution 8225 is appointing Leonard R Dolan as Fire subcode official and CC fire
inspector okay I am pulling 7825 and 8025 are we pulling anything else 7625 mhm and uh 6825 MH okay I got sorry
69 69 71 yeah um we did 676 right yes yep yep 78 it's pulled yep y 80 and 81
76 so the ones anyone else just a review the ones the ones that are pulled are 68 69 71 76 78 80 and 81 yeah that's what I got okay anything else not a lot say left on consent agenda uh may I have a motion to
approve the resolutions remaining on the consent agenda so moves second all in favor I okay may have motion to adopt resolution 6825 so moved second is there any discussion yes mayor I uh I wanted to
thank April for her uh service to Rosel Park um I had issues on shardan Avenue um and she was always uh very helpful um uh a lot of people dropping their kids off was blocking the driveway and a lot
of my neighbors were complaining and um she uh I thought she did an excellent job and I'm very sorry to see her go but I know she got a full-time job and you know I'm H I'm happy that she got the full-time job that's all anybody else I just want to say I wish her the best too
she's she we had some pretty deep conversations even in all that she did uh but definitely wish her the best mayor I would like to say a couple things too I just wanted to say I I thank her and I appreciate her as well she had a very tough job you know trying
to be out there mitigating the traffic condition I uh sometimes people don't want to accept accountability and and often times she could come out appearing like the bad guy but at the end of the day I know she was doing her job I've been in the law enforcement field so I just wanted to give her Kudos and you would be Miss
April any else she was tough and fair fair and fair good luck she's she's going to be full-time parking enforcement so she didn't really give it up oh yeah all right call the all councilman Petroski yes Johnson yes
counc signell yes Council Rina yes councilwoman Lions yes councilman Patel yes six V the affir mayor the resolution is adopted we have a motion to adopt resolution 6925 so moves second is there any discussion
um I mean mine is 6970 it's kind of both sure so can I can I move to do can I move to do both at the same time lawyer Andrew just just do the one too late we already did the one okay yeah go for it so as far as like uh for 70 are you going to explain the
whole thing you might just answer one my questions yeah so I mean I look I I will explain the burrow piece of this right so um there is a they I mean it's a very desirable area
right so as I mentioned the Board of Education building is you know since I got elected mayor not with these Board of Ed members but with a lot of Board of Ed members uh I've been speaking about potentially it's not a great utilization of that area right I mean you're right
by the train station it's great obviously you want something in the center of town but you know ideally you want something if you're going to be we're going to talk about tonight how we have to build more affordable housing as a state mandate right you were you were away while we got this but we got our
number of having to do more affordable housing issue uh um units um if you're going to do it you want to do it in center of town by the train station um you know be a nice area for mixed use place you have sort of ground level retail and you know a couple levels of of affordable housing up top you know
there it fits in with the area because there's other apartments there um so this study is to study as to whether or not it warrants a uh or is eligible for um a Redevelopment plan and Redevelopment
agreement and that's one piece of what if the board of EDS going to make a land swap right because the proposal right now is that there is a office building that no longer is going to house class 5 cannabis um uh I got yelled at to do
something for the kids there and um you know one of the proposals is to potentially put uh from my understanding um is uh bardette offices there and it could also potentially the size of it could do up to uh three prek classes you
know we're sending kids from Rosal park right now I believe to Cranford for prek right so there is a need for more prek space within the B of Rosal Park um so this would be a piece of the puzzle to basically say is there a development project that's available there right
what does what can a developer do and then the Board of Ed can decide whether or not they want to do a land Swap and the developer also needs to decide whether or not he or she even wants to do something there right because again um there's a whole lot of factors in there how much does it cost to acquire
the land um how many affordable housing units have to do right now it's 20% um how many units they can put how big it can be if we put any stipulations on like on on any of the project right so if we say you got to build a Rick Barry
statue right that's going to cost him 250k and that factors into the equation anybody that that was good you guys can laugh now you can laugh at that one you want to put a mayor cerella statue that's day that's going to cost
something um so yeah so we are not involved in any transaction but we are involved with saying what can be zoned there so this is us saying we're going to get the planner involved they're going to suggest what can be Zone there and we're going to give our feedback as mayor and counsel does that answer your
question yeah that answers most of it so do we have a developer that has inquired about this property uh I I believe that there has been one that's contacted the Board of Ed maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong I don't know not public comment
but I don't know uh if there is one which I no there is one I I don't know the developer yeah so I guess you don't know the plans no no no no the plans are up to the plans are up to us you I mean have you've been part of a Redevelopment plans thus far right we're we're
resending one of them now right you know we talked about one do we want to put hotels there do we not want to put hotels there do we want to put uh residential there do we not put it so we will have a planner's going to come say they're going to come say May we think you could or mayor and councel we think you could do X Y and Z and then we're
going to say cool we only want to do X and Y okay and so we have to wait for the Board of Ed to kind of get that approval so could I just could I just could I just interject real quick so with this so resolution 6925 does is it
authorizes a study of that property what that Redevelopment study does is the planner supported by Redevelopment Council would review the property against the statutory provisions of re of what qualifies Redevelopment area if it meets any of those qualifications
it's then up to the governing body and there's the process that goes to the land use board to designate it the area The Next Step would then be discussing what would zone for that property what would the Redevelopment plan what would be the plan for that property okay right and that's when I think you'd probably
have a more iterative process about what would be going there right so I'm skipping a step right so there's going to be a study as to whether or not it's eligible Fran you want to come up sure I just keep me honest here right it's it's it's a study to see whether or not it's eligible
which who knows I I have a question too sure could could it also be a part of a the plan uh a part of our plan to to help mitigate uh certain uh problem I mean that we could talk offline but no 100% I think that's important so so so it's a very good question right so so
Greg you're hitting on something so we got to Fran I'll let you talk in a minute but now I'm I'm on a I'm on a roll um so uh to your point Greg you were away and kjan you were away uh last meeting we we also made neglia start
working on a uh affordable housing plan right we don't know exactly how many affordable housing units we owe but we know we owe a Max of 70 right we're going to try and get that down to 50ish right but let's just say I'm just using simple math here right let's just say we
okay 10 Apartments there there will be required to do two affordable units and that would count towards our 50 or 60 or 70 which we are obliged to make right so I I I get it I read Facebook I know people are sick of Apartments but like
we're going to have to do more affordable housing like it's a state mandate it is what it is right um Fran keep me honest on any of that stuff okay Fran McManaman McManaman Scotland and Balman we serve as Redevelopment Council to the buau so as the mayor mentioned and Andrew mentioned
this is the very first step in the process of Redevelopment under the Redevelopment law a municipality is required to authorize a study to be done to find out if it even meets the criteria to be designated as a Redevelopment area so that's what this step would be and then as you're
familiar once that study comes back the um the council will have an opportunity to vote and find out it goes to the plan the L use board then the council will have the opportunity to vote as to whether they want to designate the area a Redevelopment area um and then the next step in that process would be to
adopt a Redevelopment plan that's sort of what we're getting into here a little bit farther down the field here is that a Redevelopment plan is what would um tell you what tell everyone what could be done not necessarily what would be done but what could be done on the property so if you want mixed use if you
want residential um how what what the density would be what the height limitations would be all of that the affordable housing requirements all of that would be incorporated into a Redevelopment plan that would come before Council twice introduction for ordinance and then final adoption and again go to the land use Sports there be
many opportunities for uh Council input and also public input in a Redevelopment plan thank you so if you want to request the Rick Barry statue at any point you'll have plenty of B be able to do that uh okay is there any further questions councilman no okay cool uh any
other further discussion 6925 right Noe correct 69 just 6925 right now Jesus uh okay call the rooll council pki yes councilman Johnson yes councilman signorella yes councilman Rina yes councilwoman Lions
yes coun Patel no five votes in the affirmative one in the negative the resolution is adopted okay may have a motion to adopt resolution 7125 oh so moved I'm sorry all good second uh is there any discussion is there anything you didn't okay all right
so I'm seeing none call the rooll councilman Petroski yes councilman Johnson yes councilman signell yes Council Rina yes councilman Lions yes councilman Patel no five votes in the affirmative one in the negative the res resolution is adopted okay may I have a
motion to adopt resolution 7625 so moved 71 second I thought did I did I skip one oh whoops my bad which one no you did 71 I did 71 that was 71 no we didn't we did 7 we did 69 and 7 we did 69 and 70 oh I
ski I skipped 71 I had SE I had 71 as the one that was pulled I had 68 69 71 76 78 80 and 81 all right so I had you just moved you just moved and voted on 71 okay do we
want to go back and vote on 70 whatever you want do you want to reconsider 70 you just need a motion to reconsider mtion anyone can so moved so moved second got all right you need a roll call and reconsideration uh call the this is on reconsidering
70 councilman py yes councilman Johnson yes Council signell yes Council Rina yes councilman Lions yes councilman Patel yes all right so reconsideration is basically like the vote never happened so now you need a mo now you need a motion to adopt 70 okay I have a motion to adopt resolution 70-25 so move second
is there any discussion please call the rooll I'm very I don't know why we P either Council Petroski yes councilman Johnson yes Council sella yes Council rabina yes Council milons yes councilman Patel no we just want all right that makes sense we wanted to make you sweat
it out I appreciate itk that makes more sense uh okay uh may have a motion to adopt resolution 7625 soone second is there any discussion um so I I want to start off discussion here um just because look I only vote in a tie um
this is up to council but um I do want to say I'm personally in supportive of this in support of this um I know cannabis has been controversial in the burrow um I think I've been clear that this is a class two use um which means manufacturing which means me it's in an area where nobody's going to be able to
go up and buy anything there's not going to be a lot of foot traffic there's just going to be people manufacturing product in there and shipping out product and we will get 2% of that Revenue which you know from my understanding these things can fetch you know two to five million dollar in Revenue you know slap 10 uh 2%
on that um you know that's meaningful as we're going through budget season right now I can tell you every dollar counts um but that's my two cents on it um and I'll open up discussion for for the rest of the council if need be yeah mayor if I may uh I I just need to abstain
okay any further discussion yeah okay uh I was just going to ask how many variants will they need as far as I don't know I wish Rich was here yeah so you're not going to know um that that's just a question you're not going to know so I mean they're they're going they
would need to go to the board regardless even if they meet all other zoning because it's a conditional use so they have to go to the board for site plan approval um but it'll depend on the type of building they're going to build right you know you need different variant if they're going for a and I have no idea of this but to use the mayor's example if they're going to build a 10 story
building there or if you're going to build a one story building there or if it's going to be of a certain Dimension or of certain lot size or lot coverage it's going to be completely dependent on what they're going to propose in terms of a building or if they're going to use the same building that's I couldn't you
could you don't know how many look I can I can say I I I have a rough idea having walked the area right um my understanding is they're not going to be building on top of the building it'll be a retrofit of the existing building right so there's one business in there right my understanding is they would
sort of bifurcate the inside and the Cannabis business would operate on one side and the existing glass blowing business would operate on the other right I'm not speaking for the applicant but that's my broad understanding and then as far as like are they in a school zone because I know it has to be yeah I believe they're in a school zone I
forget the exact legalities but it like you know there 100t I think it's supposed to be from scho from Parts Thousand feet oh thousand thousand yeah I mean they're in they're in a school zone right I mean um we we've litigated this in the past right like there is state law or whatever law that this is doable right we've had this controversy
come up before lawyer yes yeah okay got it thank you um that's good that's that's that's a good lawyer right there yes um uh yeah I mean look I I I grew up in this town I don't really consider it like on that side of the tracks exactly a school zone
but you know you guys it's up to you UL if you want to approve it or not technically like we can if even if it's in the zone we could still pass it yeah yeah and the other thing is we also our local ordinance requires what was it I think we did a th000 feet locally right
yeah but but I I I think from schools we won 1500 yeah that's what that's what I just say, 1500 okay okay whatever I don't 1500 to increas but basically but you guys do the I mean we've had this happen before right so we've we've passed class five use and the land use
board in its Mighty power actually rejected it right so it's up to this mayor and Council to say you know well we think that they qualify for the license and then it's up to the land use board whether or not it's an appropriate area so you know it's up to you guys if
I could councilman so to to answer your question if it is within whatever the parameters are a th500 ft it would be a it would be a variance they would need to seek to the board so that would be at least one variance we know about out okay right and if they didn't if they weren't granted that variance and
weren't given approval then there it the point is Moo right they don't get they don't gain unconditional approval got it and then uh I guess I don't know much about a manufacturer so will there be like you know is there like smell like
the smell come out when they're doing like with is it through chemicals or when they're growing cuz there's houses right next to it um yeah so I can I can speak in broad Strokes just because I we I don't know who on Council did this is before your time um we actually went to
go visit before we did Breakwater there you know sort of operations um I can't speak so there are Statewide regulations of HVAC systems and whatever else you need to do there's also local safety regist reg reg regulations that we're going to impose um but what I can say is
um from my personal experience going to these things right like you can't smell outside you would never know and honestly it's for manufactur for the manufacturing yeah and for anybody who's smelt um you know manufactured marijuana in the process of
getting manufactured it smells like Christmas trees it smells very different after its process but it you know while it's actually you know in its raw form it it doesn't smell like the stinky smell that while you smell when it's smoking but but there are correct
there's DRC Statewide DCA Statewide regulations there's Statewide regulations there's also the local regulations in the in the Ord orance that we built in specifically when the ordinance was being written and drafted uh to mitigate that concern because it was a concern that came up during the crafting of allowing a class to uh licy
and one of it was is there spill over smell on the street or on neighboring properties and there's certain ventilation requirements and filtration requirements that they would need to abide by got it and then my as the last question would be like what about the traffic and parking like is there a big
staff that they yeah well I can talk about we so I I can talk about um I can talk about uh what we had the Cannabis review board I know you're working today but but the that one of the applicants came by and they basically said they're going to have five employees um so uh
it's going to be the five excuse me employees that are there um the neighboring building hexacon they share parking with so um my understanding is that they have an agreement with hexacon whereby the parking should be okay um so I I I don't think that's going to be a
massive issue right I mean I would say obviously it's manufacturing right so you would have occasionally shipments go in and out but you know candidly that's part of why we zone for that in the industrial area is because it is the industrial area right you have hexacon that builds soldering irons there that
ships out soldering irons uh you have printing shops that you know print out bulk printing there so it's I mean it's awkward because there's we're in Rosal Park and it's an industrial zone right by residential but there is industrial manufacturing that's there got it and
then I mean I haven't gotten a chance to ask the residents in that area how they feel so I wouldn't support this and that's all I have okay okay anybody else yeah I just want to say um this is a huge concern to me
it's around the block from Robert Gordon um so to me even though that there it's manufacturer security is a concern um you know this is just a small town this and having it be in the middle of
of our uh our town and right next door literally to people and across the street um is just a huge concern so consider very wisely what how we need to vote here thank you okay anybody
else please call the RO councilman Petroski no councilman Johnson councilman sella no council Rina no councilman woman Lions no councilman Patel no five V negative one abstention the resolution is not
adopted okay uh may I have a resolution to adopt 78-2 a motion a motion to adopt 78-2 so moved second uh is there any discussion Andrew do you just want to give an update as to what's going on here sure
so the substance of this uh of this amendment that would be authorized by this resolution is is purely Financial so uh the burough of Rosell Park as everybody remembers authorized settlement agreement with the city of Elizabeth to the Sewer interconnection issue um as part of that settlement agreement we have 11year period to pay
back4 million or to pay $4 million in a rear use of their system um pursuing to that settlement agreement uh one payment was made on July 1st of last year um in the amount of about $366,000 right you know uh one 11th of
of the amount um which leaves a balance of about 3.6 and million in change um uh as everybody else as we also know um the burrow was lucky enough to obtain um operating aid from the state of New Jersey to help offset this issue and the
destabilization of the sub utility um so uh we approach the city of Elizabeth um with um hopes of of gaining new financial terms and doing an upfront payment uh with some legal wrangling and some creative negotiation um we were
able to uh have the city of Elizabeth uh agree and you know this resolution is also subject to their ratification that instead of having a balance of 3.6 million in change that we need to pay the city of Elizabeth that amount uh drops uh over a million dollar to 2.6
million uh they would get that money now as opposed to over the next 10 years um it's beneficial to the city of Elizabeth because bank accounts be interest and it's beneficial to us because uh the burough Rosel Park is no worse for the wear in terms of what the rate payers would have to pay we would use $2.6
million in operating Aid to pay the full amount and not have to pay Elizabeth anything except for the quarterly payment of the meter below uh galing Hill Road at the interconnection point until the time that we separate from the system within the next several years
um candidly it's it's from from what from what was a very unfortunate situation this is a this is a good deal and I highly recommend that this be approved um the other because I'm sure the question will get asked what are we going to do with the other $400,000 in operating aid for the Ser utility we're also going to use to uh stabilize the
fund um so uh it's it's a very good result from a very bad situation that the what do that mean for the rid payer it doesn't mean anything yet other than the fact that the rates uh will be stabilized currently we're crunching every everybody's question is well what's my bill going to look like um I I
can I a lot less it it will be a lot less it will be much more stable it'll be very comparable to what it was prior to this incident prior to the legal dispute um at this point we have the last quarter of of last year's water consumption the finance department is
going through that and crunching the numbers um ultimately that plus our assessments from the super authorities like we would any other year um all those numbers put together will come out with the the bills based on usage so um hope to have that in the next few weeks
to a month um but by doing this you take significant dollars that we owe off the table huge is there is there any chance in the future once you figure out the numbers that they get a credit or refund they paid extra last year no so I think we
there's been a lot of discussion about this and I it's it's I I hope I thought I made it clear last year but I I I'm happy to explain so there was a chance that we could have if we got it in the fiscal year the financial aid in the fiscal year last year we could have sent a refund um potentially for the second
payment or avoided the second payment that's why we kind of waited till the absolute last minute to do it we're in a new fiscal year so you know like this isn't it's not I'm not being a wise guy but like it's not Best Buy where like you know you have a 90-day return policy right like we have to you have to give
that in or out within the fiscal year um so but it's money it's money and money out right so I'll give you an example so if we if we gave everybody a refund last year then there'd be less money to apply
to the bill this year right so it's basically like like I'll make something up right so um you know let's just say my bill was $300 George knows it's cheaper than that but let's just for for for easy numbers say it was $300 um you know if I got a refund for
$150 the burrow still owes that $150 right that means that we were using the emergency funds for a refund instead of paying down the bill this year do you understand what I'm saying really um the the state the state aid is finite okay
right so if we used half a million dollars of the state aid last year then that's less state aid we could use this year and that means the rate would have been slightly higher this year right could I could I also just make it did I make more sense the second time around okay I'm going to try to I'm going to try to be more direct I'm usually not
the one that's more direct it's uh it the state is not going to want us to use the $3 million for refunds directly for refunds if we able to apply it to the operating from last year during last year then we would be paying our own money back to to the rape payers right
but that that's not ultimately what happened we didn't get we we literally didn't get this money until I think December 30th yeah which is why we were really pushing to get it in last year for for this exact reason and just to and just to just to make it concrete you know some I know the finance committee is is is in the throws of of crafting
this year's budget but you know the bur the burrow did put additional Surplus monies toward the sewer utility last year to try to offset what was already a bad increase right so um and the governing body knows this right you put Surplus in with hopes to at least
regenerated back so that you always have that fund to kind of lessen the burden on the rate payer or the taxpayer last year and I'll use rough numbers we put $600,000 toward the sewer utility Surplus uh $600,000 in Surplus to offset
the sewer utility and we only regenerated 400 okay so we were already behind and part of that is because people couldn't pay it was a bad situation right so to pay people back is imp it's it's it's both budgetarily and from an auditing
practice it's impossible because it's not really legal or practical to do if we got it November 5th it would have been a difference you can't you you we don't have the money to do it but but but again I mean I think the the what people need to understand is if if you were going to get a $100 credit last
year or refund that $100 that you're getting that you would have got last year is going to make your rate lower this year right so it's you're it's still going to impact your bill it's just you're not getting a check back you're getting a a credit essentially
put forward for this bill make sense yep got it okay can I just say I mean two things thank God that we had that you and and everyone that worked towards that I mean it's really a miracle we have to look at that and be very grateful for that and I I really am but
the other thing I have to say is that it was such bad not on your apartment or at all but the communication and how it was said it was like almost saying like you're going to get something back you know and I guess
people understood it a certain way but now saying it like cuz I I actually sat in with the budget um meeting last uh last week and the way that Ken he's not here right now no Ken's not a personal thing yeah the way he explained it is
like you're saying it's um I guess in the budget right it closed out last year y but people need to understand going forward that it's not um not a refund yeah but it's a it's it's that's going into this year yeah you're
not going to see you're not going to see a check back but you'll know that your your rates back your rates much much less than it was last year because that money is going towards this year and I if I just hard no it sucks yeah but but I think everybody so there's two things
this year that I think people will be pleasantly surprised by um so the one is well let me say if if I miscommunicate that I'll take personal responsibility for it I I potentially should have been clearer in saying I mean look I worked my butt off to try and get refunds for
you guys last year I really did we were on yelling at the state to the best of our ability right than God you did yeah but but it was frustrating because they had the money for us they just didn't transfer the money so I I when I said we were going to do refunds it was because I was expecting it to happen in that
fiscal year I did not an I mean because in the budget it says for f uh 2024 state aid right so you figure they can get it to us by 2024 um unfortunately we didn't come through on that but you will get the relief in another way but I take responsibility for that if somebody you
could have gotten a check back last year you can't get that this year but it will go towards lowering your rate this year no it's not public portion um the other piece is we've also rejiggered the way that we take your rates right so we only do it during the winter months right so
for those of you people who have got absolutely whack because you have a pool and because you water your grass you will see a much more reasonable rate in line with the sewage actually use because it's just going to be taken when you take a shower Jerry it's not going to be when you when you yeah um okay any
further discussion there I mean I think it's it's the whole situation sucks but I'm glad that we at the end of the day the lawyer got another half a million dollars or so knocked off for us million million wow I undersold that great uh okay uh call the RO councilman patoski yes councilman Johnson Council
sarella councilman Rina councilwoman Lions councilman Patel yes six po to affirm mayor the resolution is adopted oh man we're fudging through this okay um may have a motion to adopt resolution 80-2 so moves second as there any discussion Fran you just want to come up for a
second um so so the quick one is um uh and Fran just keep me honest here um there is a interested developer in uh over by what do they call it now cassad Del re they change it again they call it the
Westfield or something um so the property over next to that uh there was a developer that was interested in doing something with it right we talked about hotels we talked about residential uh we decided on no residential um Fran covering our backs uh knowing that uh we
have a obligation to do for affordable housing uh it's probably not the best look at the moment right um I'm being as diplomatic as I can be um uh but the the developer does understand that we are very hesitant and you know not
interested doing a a ton of residential there um we have talked about doing 55 plus and senior housing um they are willing to come back to the table and do senior housing which I think is great because we've promised doing that for a very long time um you know and I think
that's a better use then we won't do hotels R so um so uh what we're going to do is weend this right and then we will uh take it from here Fran sure Fran MCM McMan Scott and Balman Development
Council to the buau so on September 5th 2024 the burough Council adopted resolution number 22324 which directed the land use board to review the Redevelopment plan for a designated Redevelopment area um the
buau has reviewed that draft Redevelopment plan and determined that they want to narrow the scope of the project and eliminate some of the um uses that were in that plan so rather than send it to the land use board have the back and forth that sometimes happens with the land use board they make recommendations it comes back here
the um uh Administration has determined to uh resend that resolution so it's not that Redevelopment plan is not going to go to the plan at L use board to be reviewed and there is a new planner who's putting together a new plan incorporating the new vision for that um
area yeah um does does that go ahead yeah no I think it's it's a good result at the end of the day right and we we were clamoring for senior housing it's not a bad location for senior housing and we'll get some senior housing finally real quick Fran one question I have because I think I need to talk to the planner
tomorrow what's interesting is well I guess I don't think the ordinance is going to be passed by the time we do anything but would they be beholden and if you need to do research on this go for it would they be beholden to the former 15% or the upcoming
ordinance whereby we're requiring 20% for affordable housing I would say they there's I would say 20% because there's no agreement with them at all there's nothing on the books in yeah this is like we're starting from square one now
so 20% I think that's a result everybody was hoping for yeah helps us with those numbers sure cool any questions for Fran okay cool uh please call the role councilman Petroski yes councilman Johnson yes councilman signorella yes councilman robino yes councilman Lions
yes councilman Patel yes six votes in the affirmative mayor the resolution is adopted oh we're almost done okay res resolution uh can I please have a motion to pass resolution 80 -25 so moved 81 thank you guys I'm I'm losing it can
can I have a motion to uh pass 8125 so moves second uh is there any discussion yeah well as far as the payment plan um are they going to get their CEO since they're going to be on a payment plan Andrew um so they would be able to get
their TCO they will not have their Co until they're fully paid what's the difference so the temporary C certificate of op occupancy can be revoked uh T TCO there's certain conditions the construction official can put on it um he could only do certain
floors only the common areas um they also can't refinance till they have a SE yeah so it's in their interest they don't have they don't have permanent approval of the project until they have a a certificate of occupancy so so they're they're paying I I only know so much about development but they're paying
20% interest rate right now based on their construction loan usually when a a developer gets done they switch to a different kind of loan I'm a little bit over my skis um so they always want to get that final Co because they want to stop paying 20% interest so um I would
say there's there's a lot not the least of which being we could revoke it um but I normally in these situations they want to get that they're going to pay this because they want the cooo very quickly so if they yeah basically if they don't pay it then
we could revoke the yeah we could revoke the TCM and then and then same thing goes if they pay late and all those other I'll defer to Andrew but yeah yeah I believe so okay it's a I mean it would be a it'd
be a contractual violation right at that point do we put any like interest or anything since we're doing it like on a payment plan no I mean it it the terms are exactly stipulated in the resolution so there's no interest there's no it they're going to pay in the same year
that it would be due yeah how many I forget how many how long is it so for so for the sewer connection fee it's four equal installments M and then for the residential development development fee it's six equal installments and how many in six months within six months
beginning July 16th okay and then for and for the sewer connection fee uh it's at the uh I believe it's at the time that the uh they apply for the tcco which we're anticipating mid year good cool uh any further
discussion please call the rooll councilman Petroski yes councilman Johnson yes Council signorella yes councilman Rina yes Council lies yes councilman Patel yes six the affirmative mayor the resolution is adopt okay uh may I have a motion to
open the public portion on any subject matter so moved second uh all in favor all and we wish you can come up and speak on any subject matter may do so now thank you thank you Fran thanks yeah hello hey uh constant quintella 432 Walnut Street can you just a little
closer to mic con sure yeah okay so more building or more questions about the uh Board of Ed Board of bed building your your building our partially our building so uh we have at least obviously we don't speak for
the entire Board of Ed but we do have a third of the members sitting here tonight none of us which have heard anything about that building being for sale in fact first notion of it being swapped was a lovely Facebook article which sounded very positive it was very
nice for you yeah this weekend um I know you had said it has been up for discussion since Lauren harmes was here yep which I had actually heard was there any positive feedback from any of the board members prior to this year yeah um
I would say you know naming names I would say Lauren Paul bamon and I actually all discussed this you know I believe both of them said it was an absolute no correct no that's not at all true I mean if they can they can play
revisionist history right now but we've talked specifically as a matter of fact I think Paul had a developer in mind um you know okay um just out of curiosity why if there were positive discussions for the past four years why did you pick
now to send uh someone to study the building yeah because there's an available building now right so I don't think that there's there's been thoughts of there's been a couple thoughts where um like I'll give you an example so the ramari building they're legally obliged
to give us um office SP space there right so actually with when Patricia first got superintendent first got uh put in we had spoken about offering offering that up yeah unfortunately the museum wants it real bad so that's not
available um uh actually I believe we even talked about potentially putting preschool there but for obvious reasons the parking parking a nightmare yeah um so it had happened I mean I think it's right now is the culmination I mean candidly right so it was supposed to be
potentially a class five right distribution now it is so sorry that didn't work out I I'm good I I'll sleep fine at night one way or the other trust me um so the um it's just an empty an empty office building now so it just I
mean to be blunt it looks like hey no pun intended um it it's just it's an office building and you guys theoretically need an office right okay I mean you don't need one but I mean I've been there I'm 5' three and it's I'm like hitting the ceiling there I'm
5'1 I'm fit and comfortable okay got it very enough um so I guess you the council doesn't own any part of that building and you have no part in the Board of Education right none I guess I'm just wondering where the board or where the
mayor and council's interest lies in studying that building I mean we work together on a lot of stuff constants I mean like like we could this is a little bit absurd I mean there's a number of touch points that we have whether it's from the sleo here um you know setting
up events thank you for lending us your superintendent or not your uh your uh what do you call Jan janitorial service absolutely yeah um you guys pay them so it's but but I have an interest so as mayor I have an interest in meeting my affordable housing requirements right abut I have I have an interest in doing
development that makes sense and I see an area that makes sense for development right I mean I think one of the sins of Rosel Park is everybody everybody thinks that we're too dense 100% right no disagreement here poor urban planning is putting apartment buildings all on the
outskirts of town agre because if you're going to have Apartments you want them all in the center of town if you're going to have them because you want bodies there you want foot traffic there so not to throw any shade to anybody in the garden homes but like it's inefficient and poor urban planning right okay so I feel like if we're going
to have to do another 50 or 70 units I would like to do that in the central Corridor right where the Board of Education offices potentially yeah okay yeah and and and what we did tonight was we allowed for the potential of that it is up to you and a majority of the Board of Education to decide whether or not
you want to act on that we are simply setting the table for an option and if you don't want to act on that that's up to you guys you're an independent board absolutely but I just our main concern is where the interest lied right now I'm sure I mean the the insinuation is like
it's a constant like it's a gen question I guess like I said there's three members here who hadn't the interest lie in additional tax revenue the just lie in potentially having three new pre prek build classes for you would you be willing for the board of education on
its own to get an independent study of how much the Board of Education building is worth as opposed to where I have no I have no control over what you do 100% okay we we just just to finish right like I'll give you a perfect example we're going to buy I think the the the that we want to act on this oh is that
closed session stuff can I talk about this yeah it's it's coming out yeah whatever so we are looking to acquire um uh more additional parking in the downtown right um the Wells Fargo came and said hey we'll give you this price or we'll sell to you for this
price uh yeah they said whatever I could just talk about the numbers right they wanted to give it to it for 600k but the deal was we would allow their drive-thru to stay there right this Council said we'd rather just pay up front and have the flexibility to kick them out if we want um they gave us their appraisal we
did our appraisal um we actually went with their appraisal but I highly encourage you guys do the same right I I I'm I have no Authority nor would I ever suggest that the Board of Education should just say like well the mayor thinks it's worth uh $3 million so
that's what go with go I heard the mayor thinks it's worth 1.5 the mayor has no clue the mayor has no clue what it's worth okay so all right well thank you so much for answering thank you yellow hello uh Jennifer Mano 415
philipper Street yes so that my question comes on the affordable housing right so it seems as if tonight you are taken off guard by the new number of affordable housing that has to be uh you know was mandated to Rosal Park y so I'm not but
so it's not new news then no we found out about it November yeah it was early November or October yeah so we got a I mean look I I'll throw the state under the bus as much as anybody else right like we got this information probably like a day or two
after election day right and it was they printed out a number I think the original number was 70 I forget what it was round up called it 70 right 73 called it 70 for for ease somewhere in that hemisphere um and then lo and behold the state's like okay well
you need to accept or reject this number by February whatever was it third or fourth like nobody was happy about that um so I would say Tak it off guard no now I I know what the the rough number is but yeah I mean we knew a number was coming um we did not get that number
till I think late too late in the day and candly I apologized to all these Council people because you know they had to react within you know six weeks of not even three weeks of figuring it out and they're like okay well what do we do here so I apologize to you guys for that so my question I guess maybe I'm a bit
to this but there's been a lot of Apartments built very recently and one being built in right next to across the street from the high school yeah so why was that not taken into consideration and now why are you looking to add more as you already said a very densely
populated town you're looking to add more just to fill your quota but we've built a ton of new apartments I'm I'm so excited for this okay please answer my question so ramari the building that uh is there any other questions cuz going take only go ahead I promise you that I
I well I'm going to throw everybody else under the bus here but it's going to make sense in a second so we are in round four of whatever it's affordable housing bingo I forget the technical term right um round three we were exempt
from because of ramari so everybody loves to say oh the mayor's doing three massive buildings ramari was uh I love to I post about this several times it was a 2009 affordable housing lawsuit uh which the burrow lost and spent a crap
ton of money fighting um you know and that was mandated affordable housing units the good news is that Exempted us from round three right so round four our lawyers when I got elected encouraged us
to we upped it tonight make a law where all new buildings had to have some affordable housing component so those ones that referencing by the high school they do count towards the number that is part of the plan so let's just say the number ends up being 50 if there's six
affordable units there that counts towards the 50 and now we only have to do 44 right that was me the other two buildings one passed built before I was there zero affordable units right very very big issue right because we could
have we could have got if you did 10% there it's it's 20 units right we're not talking about that second afford uh second building I'll take part responsibility for the the building the so there's three phases to it the Redevelopment study the Redevelopment
plan and the Redevelopment agreement when I got elected the Redevelopment plan was done and they wanted to pull was it a six seven story building then six six I said we're not doing another six-story building right I just I don't want to see that big of a building I mean I think it actually looks good all
things considered but like I was not I I do not like the first Meridia building I really really to my core like do dislike it there's a reason why we did it because it was a blighted area and you need to start doing development somewhere but I would if I could undo
that with all due respect to everybody who lives there hate it right uh sorry I'm getting my Italian going over that um it's really really hard as mayor to renegotiate from the start when you come in at the 11th hour so I had to pick and choose my battles and the battle that I
chose was to make sure that guys it could have been 400 units there right it's a miracle that it's 30 325 units there and everybody could say well mayor you could have just done nothing there I could have done nothing there and we could still have a purple
painted dilapidated building there right so you have to make some tough calls I I I really don't want to lay blame on the sins of the past right like the the ramaros thing had happened other towns had happened to right like I'm not throwing rocks over that do I think we should have spent lawyer money fighting
it no but it is what it is right so these older buildings they're grandfathered into the older amount like you can't go back to them now and say we need more affordable housing and it's a really you're answering you're asking a really good question so I I can talk unfortunately but you can't but I'm glad you're doing this because I get to I get
to explain the story and it's a very good question so affordable housing in the state of New Jersey there's a calculation by it right and affordable housing units need to be built a certain way right so it has to have certain square footage requirements it needs to
have certain amenities right and you need to do you need to do certain like so many two-bedroom apartments so many one-bedroom apartments and so many studios so after it's done you can't really retrofit those and say Hey you know it's the other and and then the
last thing is look as much as it stinks right like it is hard to go back and you know the burrow if you theoretically could do it like I think you're I'll let the lawyer speak to it but you're probably putting yourself in a a pretty difficult legal situation because you're
you're kind of although it was a different Administration the burrow as an entity is kind of acting in bad faith saying well we approved this but now that you built this can you do this like do you understand where I'm coming from Mr lawyer I'm I am I off base here I can't get this to work but no not
at all exactly um if you go back and forth you're going to end up in court and it's going to be expensive simply um it's kind of exactly like the mayor said picking and choosing your battles you have to be tactical with these there's finite resources available um and it
really comes down to figuring out how to do it as clean as possible yeah but I may if I may yeah um also just before we finish the story uh because I keep hearing you guys half of this Council never voted on apartment buildings I myself have never had the opportunity to
vote on any building so just to set that record straight please thank you yeah and just just real quick I I I it it's I don't I don't Meridia 1 the burrow had not seen any action in the longest time right and
I I I understand the lot the thought behind it is somebody had to come and invest right and somebody had to start it but you know the other thing is like look I'm 37 years old I got elected when I was 30 man it's been a dog years um I remember I remember I I don't think
I was living in Rosal park at the time but I remember coming home for and looking at Sullivan Chevrolet and my father complaining about well they wanted to put a strip mall there but everybody complained about the strip mall right so like you know there's been sins of the past that we're making up
for and I it sucks and I'm frustrated with you thank you for your explanation did that sound sincere thank you good it is uh okay Apartments the word of the night Michael Ryan 515 Locust Street hi
Mike this is the model of the development I have plans to build at the train station these buildings are called The Parkers the Locust house the Lincoln House the Chestnut House uh some of the Council are familiar with it but I wanted everyone
to see have this chance to see it uh the design is a a result of significant planning and that is uh the focus of our planning was how to knit a development in this spot into the community and how
it could serve the community The Parkers are unlike any other of the buildings that have built in roselt park in the last few years all the other projects are are what is known as pancake buildings a pancake building occupies
the entire site with parking at gray level and apartments above this project includes a park which will allow the continuation of the trail that's along the railroad on the east side of chest Street the
buildings will be divided by large wellc land uh Courtyards the parking will be subterran and hidden one of um our main objectives uh was planning how to connect the
apartments to the single family neighborhood along uh Lincoln Avenue it was obvious that we could not build a pancake type building along Lincoln that was the driving force behind the design of the three buildings uh I invite you to take a
close look at the frontage on Lincoln Avenue residents along Lincoln Avenue and Filbert Street will view something similar to the existing neighborhood residential buildings separated by landscaped yards you might wonder why I would go
through the additional work and added expense of these design attributes the answer is I care about Rosel Park I know that Council and mayor care about Rosel park that's evident by your dedication and sacrifice my concern is
more intimate I was born and raised in P Rosel Park I grew up in this neighborhood I witnessed the end of Weston's Woods when they raised the rail and built a train station my father's business was at that site my mother
lived there while she was councilwoman and mayor those and thousands of other reasons are why I put extra thought and planning into this project a pancake type building is not the right building for that
site the transition of the train station is the center of town it is important that we build something that is woven into the community and create a place that they the community can be part of and proud of for the next 100 years I urge you to
move forward with this project yep Mike I I I appreciate your dedication on this oh really you guys are clapping for more Apartments wow really word what hold on can I record this again
hold on for these apartments you're I'm serious clap again go go go yeah thank you um I didn't actually record it or we could do both um I Mike I'm on record I love this
project right I and I I'll say it on the record I I I I absolutely love this project right like not to sound snoody like but like this is very very like I've only seen this in Europe right like Oslo Norway is the only place where I've seen this design everybody else does the
big brick Meridia buildings right um Council has had issues with the density and I don't know how to go forward with that right um and I I'm not throwing anybody in the bus I understand it right I I will think I will say in council's
defense right it's one of the shames of Rosel Park is Cranford gets the benefit of having their train station in the middle of the historic downtown right our train station was just slapped in the middle
of ab budding an R1 zone right and I think there's anxiety around that I'm not speaking for myself right um but I I believe that there's anxiety in the council and I'm not throwing anybody here into the bus we've had this discussion out loud so I wish I had a better answer for you Mike can I ask you
a question uh was one of those companies I mean uh from your U all those uh companies you listed that was in that area was it one of them oil company or something Ryan oil that was my father's it started out as a Coal Company I'm am I allowed to talk yeah yeah yeah it
started as a Coal Company evolved to an oil company to a service company and to um we moved that company to did they mitigate the land there that's my concern well we've uh there was a project plan for this site back in 2008 you know what happened in 2008 we
did have uh we did receive you the no further action letter from the uh you know from the state you have anyone check unfortunately so mik mik I got to I got to cut you off so just just real quick Mike I got to cut you off um but Greg I believe to be honest with you
that would be I would imagine part of the land you boor right I think isn't the site kind of stuff part of because I'm concerned if if people are going to be there I want to make sure the land is no 100% yeah that nature I I think it's something that you know what I mean Mike well that's why that's why I can't have
the I can't have the back I can't have the back and forth unfortunately but but understood the concern yeah yep I'm done yeah okay um anybody else want to come up and speak can I offer you an image sure I'll take it thanks
Mike thank you sirim appreciate it brother still four stories9 j j j we can't we can't do this Jay yeah am uh Lucy yeah want to come up go ahead oh George whoever okay hi lucif fito 330 Shard Avenue hi
luy hi so everybody knows I was running for three years for the board of V yep and I was very excited when I got on yep so I personally have never seen that building you're talking about yep has have you gotten approval from the board no so you haven't spoken to anybody
nobody's seen the building uh no I spoke to Britney I mean it was my understanding I had a rough sense that she was going to be the board president so I figured that would be a good person to start with okay I was just wondering cuz I personally have never seen the building I know what building you're talking about yeah so has anybody tore
that building uh I have I know Britney has um I would say I think you guys should right I think I I would say what's what's up this video you oh yeah have you you haven't seen I've got my Lakers I've got my Lakers hoodie on yeah yeah I got it so you're you're getting
me to say it like I've got nothing to hide here right like I knew Britney was going to be the Board of Ed president I figured I'd start with her um if you guys want to go see it I would imagine that to even entertain this you're going to start with a memorandum of understanding right or something like that and you should go there you should
kick the tires you should check it out but like forgive me right like I guys can we just can we sidebar just so I can have this um uh I would say normally on these matters right if I'm talking to another town or another entity it's
usually mayor to mayor or mayor to board president or sometimes mayor to superintendent um it's my understanding that you guys have discussed I think internally at least some high level version of this if not then I'm I'm misinformed whatever not my business um but yeah 100% you look you're a voting
member right if you say I'm not going to vote Yes on this until I kick it go go go talk to the rest of the board members AR exactly I just wanted to know thank you okay yeah hello hi everyone how you doing Jake moscowitz 139 West Clay Avenue um procedurally
number 76 can that be revoted on any time in the near future I I defer to the lawyer and and uh the clerk I I I don't know I believe we'd have to re reintroduce the resolution but it could be reint R is
what I get yeah how long would that generally take uh you could reintroduce a reso whenever so it could be that before the next meeting uh it could be before the next meeting we'd have to call a special meeting um but but yeah we it could theoretically be before the
next meeting so I heard a lot of nose obviously y but I didn't hear any good reasons I heard security I heard maybe an odor it seems like we may not know exactly what the plan is for what the business business is going to be
operating as and I was curious if anyone has any questions or could give me some serious NOS are we just anti-cannabis do we not want to give people jobs do we not want to see the taxes and everything that goes with a
small business that is successful what is what's the nose where are we coming from they were very good nose I heard security they were very good NOS we said no that's it that's it
yeah you saying it's not a good no I'm saying it's a good no I just was wondering if there was any no question reasons we don't want it okay would we be okay if it was a
bottling facility for liquor because I need to going to have to rent out the building or sell it right down the line if there's no successful business going on so what what could what do we suggest would be good for a small 3,000 ft manufacturing
facility in that area a bakery what what are we thinking a baker like to do a bakery that more right that would be beautiful Bakery um I would love Bakery what exactly does anybody have any suggestions or should I
just sell it to a developer and let him turn the whole thing into Apartments down the line that's where we end up right so just curious if anyone has any suggestions at all no for the record just I'm I'm with
you Jake just questions need to be addressed through the chair and and you guys can respond if you like okay so that's it you want to ask or you can't I don't know Jake I'm I'm I no look you guys are welcome to to but you know Council and I differ on this
right we're not always going to see eye to ey I am a I'm a proponent of it um it's legal I'd like to make money off of it you know Council disagrees on me disagrees with me on this wouldn't be the first time won't be the last um you know and I I can't I can't speak to
these guys um but I can tell you from my perspective it's something that I support but I only vote in a tie and there was no tie here yeah that that's cool I was just curious just wanted to know and see where we land um because their application is up and if we were
going to possibly revote then that would be great and if there's no opportunity for that maybe we could have a presentation of some education as to what's going on here but there's nothing that seems like this isn't a good use of
that building I besides some opinions yeah so Jake I will say that I think it's a little bit of I you're running out of time 15 seconds um but I'll I'll mentioned this I think um this was put on pretty quickly for some folks and
that's partly because we were slow um in in in analyzing this um just so everybody knows the reason it was on this agenda is because the applicant has a state license that will expire um excuse me before the next meeting so it was requested that it would be on this
meeting to either get an exception or rejection because they need it for continuing state license um you know look he's a smalltown business owner you know Council I'm not speaking for you guys if you want to go toward the facility and and talk about the plans
and and if you say hey mayor we should reconsider then you know I you guys are counsel right you can tell me what you want to do um that's the only other thing I can suggest as a Way Forward um KJ's your fourth word councilman right if if you want to go tour you know and KJ says hey actually I I saw it and I'm
good with it you know I'm I'm happy to call a special meeting but I'm I'm not going to do it um unless Council changes their mind because it's just going to be a waste of time um but I I encourage you guys um counsel if you see it valuable you can talk to Jake
afterwards if you don't um no no harm no foul here right um but but um totally up to you guys I'd say uh you know um KJ's been away uh so it's been tough to get to him but you know it is his Ward so I think it's it's
probably worth starting with him um you know and uh you know you know stick around to the end and if you nothing wrong with educational purposes but uh I mean the votes is the votes but I see no problem with the educ yeah yeah yep yeah I mean the votes are yeah exactly um but but stick around afterwards if any of
these guys want to talk to you afterwards it's it's all you're you're able to speak to the councilman it's all anything I could suggest cool thank you thank you yep uh anybody else we allowed to come up twice oh you came up the first time oh God Sor
can you tell me how you like the development first can we start off on a positive note it's a really Co 43 wut uh I do like it no because it's at the train station where it belongs not the board of bed building um but I want to
start by saying I'm sorry but thank you for voting no on that personal feelings aside about marijuana I have an issue with it being within the, 1500 feet of a school that's the rule that that that should be the rule don't try to skirt
the rule so it is what it is but that wasn't what I was coming up here to talk about um I actually wanted to talk about the pilot money okay um so I know we have we have Meridia one and two I'm not sure what we're calling the one at the end of Chestnut Street oh the one at the
end of Chestnut Street uh hero Chestnut I don't know whatever the name of that one is 10 West yeah yeah 10 West okay uh Hunter property and Mimi's property did all of them receive pilot yes they all did okay yep so correct oh no MIM MIM did not MIM didn't okay all right so
four properties did yep correct me if I'm wrong MH the municipal the municipality does not have to give any of that funds to the board vet that's not true um there is a percent I believe correct that they have to on the con on the conventional
land taxes it's it's split conventionally with the Board of Education it is yes for the for the land taxes on the Improvement the pilot is on the Improvement pilot is on the building that is split between the municipality and the county municipality gets 95% of the revenue the county gets 5% of the
revenue okay important thing to remember is anything the board of V asks or the county or open space or whatever the library right the other levies they will get their Levy funding okay so they you get we we charge the bill that you need
to Bill when the when the Board of Education certifies this is the levy we need to raise right the municipality has to collect it whatever that looks like yeah yes okay so it's ultimately up to you what you guys you will get funded what you need to get funded I was just curious that there was a
misunderstanding as to if a portion of the actual pilot money that came goes to the the school district the the P the pilot which is on the Improvement does not go to the school the conventional land taxes that sit on the land remain intact okay so the the basic what they
were paying before when it was empty right well what whatever yes yes but I will say that there are there are improved values to land when there are you know say land use approvals on them okay I couldn't quote them to you now but they they could be more than when the development started okay so we have
the four properties we do get the land tax which I'm sure is a lot less than the pilot money that came in yep yes um so you there's no requirement to give any to the school district obviously yep but they can but you can sure has there
ever been a discussion of giving a portion to the school district yeah there there has been discussion of it um so so two things I mean again I I really hate to just be like saying was the other guys right there's there's a good portion of those that I cannot speak to
right um um the problem is is it gets pretty difficult to calculate right um and at the end of the day right so what Andrew is saying and I I I I agree with right is look the school gets funded at the levels you guys need to get funded
right so we do not have we're we have much more restrictions but that money comes from the taxpayers yeah correct I mean your money comes from taxpayers too but but I understand what I was going to say but like I mean it's it's right pocket left pocket Cindy is what I would argue right so so let's just say we get $100,000 from a pilot right so $100,000
could pay for a police department or police officer or could pay for a teacher right at the end of the day right like that's still coming off theoretically the tax bill right so it's you know do we give it 50/50 and you know you pay for half a teacher and half
a cop right like at the end of the day it's still going towards the tax bill is what I would argue right right it's I I understand philosophically where you go but you know it's I I was just curious how it worked because um there was some miscommunication back and forth as
within Board of Ed members of how exactly that works I thought a small portion of it went to Board of Ed in the county but I I'm did but apparently it doesn't unless the municipality decides to give a portion of your I could SW it was like 5% I mean which is not not much
but but I could have swore there was something but anyway I I was educated tonight then too okay yeah all right thank you cool anybody else all right I'm seeing no one may have a motion to uh close the public portion Z moves second all in favor I oh
we still have reports uh we do have we do have we do have a close session session session it's going to be quick though you want to skip it I pull the band and do it okay uh may I have motion to go and close I need to
some moved oh you got to read the thingy yeah whereas the mayor and Council the ver Rosa Park wish is discuss matter which described by the New Jersey open public meetings Act njsa 10 4-12 and where is the general nature of the subject to be discussed in closed session are contract negotiations with the township of Clark and where is the time when the circumstances under which
the item discussed in closed session will be disclosed to the public at a future time now therefore be resolved the mayor and Council of B Rosell Park and the county of union state of New Jersey do adjourn the open portion of the meeting and open a closed portion to discuss the aforementioned item need a motion to go and close and
cl Z moved second uh all in favor I I okay e a motion to Recon do I have a motion to reconvene second uh all in favor I mayor in close session of the governing body discuss
contract negotiations with the township of Clark no resolution is being uh has come to there's there's no resolution at this time okay cool uh we're going to skip uh updates cuz everybody's fried um see you next meeting uh may I have a
motion to adjourn so moved second all in favor I the weirdest ending we've had for