And you'll see the highlighted section. There's a new section on monitoring system. How was it prior? I'm sorry? How was it prior? Prior, that section didn't fit. So there was no monitoring system? There was. It was required still in state board policy, but it wasn't in this actual district in the district policy. In in here? Yep. This is just adding our state language to our language. Okay. Move for approval. Second. Thank you. Thank you so much. All in favor say aye. Aye. Next is 1.905.
Charter school renewal. This updates reporting and renewal criteria pursuant to changes in state law. So you'll see it adds interim review. Approved. Thank you, doctor Sullivan. Second. Thank you. Mister Bart. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? No. Next is policy 1.906 Charter School revocation. This updates the revocation of charter school agreements pursuant to changes in state law. Now, Stephen. Move for approval.
Regular. Thank you. Thank you very much. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Motion passes. Next is policy 2.403, surplus property sales. This changes the amount, required for disposition of equipment purchased with federal laws. This is pursuant to a change in Federal law and it increases it from 5,000 to 10,000. Move to approve. Second. Thank you very much. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Next. Next is policy 2.806,
bids and quotations. This adds language for the option of electronic bidding, and that's to receive, and send out. About time. Any comments or questions? So yeah. Under the electronic bidding, thank you, Mocha, shall not require such small businesses and minority owned businesses to receive or respond to invitations to bid. So this means if they don't see it in the paper, they can still bid? It doesn't require them to do it electronically. They can still do it the old fashioned way.
And that's it's saying. Thank you. Any comments? Yes. We started. Doctor Sullivan, did we ever, get anything put in place place as far as, like, how having someone or how often we're kind of going through, like, our database of people that we're sending out to, like, how often we're Mhmm. Updating that file file. I'll find out. I'll find out for tomorrow. Alright. For tomorrow. Thank you. Any other comments or questions? Move to approve. Thank you, Mr. Clark. Thank you, miss Christie.
All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Okay. Next policy is 3.202, the emergency preparedness plan. It adds language to clarify that no more than two fire drills are required to occur within the first thirty full school days. This is also pursuant to a change in the state law. We wish to approve. Thank you, miss, Rosales. Second. Thank you, Mr. Tippel. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Okay. Next is three point two zero three one which is the threat assessment team.
This adds reporting requirements regarding threats pursuant to a change in state law and you'll see the main part is that reporting section, which requires the director of schools, to report things to the board and to parents. Any questions? Comments approved? Yes. That's all. And so we already do a lot of this. The board gets updated anytime that we have pretty much anything that goes on with an emergency. For this, anytime that a it's not when a school just gets their SRO to
help us when the SRO then asks for additional support and contacts, but we go ahead and over communicate emergencies to our parents, and then we will have a Microsoft forms created so that at least quarterly, we'll have an update of how they do that. I think this is great because, our colleges already do this and we can't ask them to get the student information for our parents. Second, can someone second it? I did. Thank you, Mr. Zola. That'll be Michelle. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Okay. Next policy is 3.4
Student Transportation Management. This has quite a few updates. You'll see there's a lot of language that's highlighted. My printer ran out of yellow ink. These are some sections that are struck out and then we also have Mr. Lee here to answer any questions. So so this mirror this mirror is is taken away. The board being able to provide insurance puts in place the mechanism for the contractor to provide insurance. This matches the policy matches what we see in number four and five.
Yes. Both of them. If you if you take both of them together, that's how I'm breathing. And it's and everybody's in five. Same one. Number five, mister Watt is straight from the contract, the new contract. That that's what Yes. That's what we're referring to. Correct. Can you scroll on to the next page? So number six whoops. Sorry. Philip to number six. So there were no changes to six or seven. Correct? Correct. K. So now I'm on page three. No changes to this section. No changes to page three. Alright. Page four was completely redone, and this is awarding and renewing contracts.
Any other questions or comments? I have a few on here and I'm not sure, if Mr. Reid would be best to answer those, some of these questions because I have a few that I jotted down here when I went through this. The the first thing is lines eleven and twelve, the plan of action that doctor Sullivan is to conduct, do we have like a a month or a timeline as to when that's occurring? We don't right now because this part would be new so we can put that in policy. Ms. Maxwell? Yes, Mr. Tippewell. Doctor. Sullivan, I see that the priority lists are all struck out here and the language
here doesn't really put those back in. It just kind of gives some freedom to construct a new thing. Is that kind of what we're aiming for? Any other questions or comments? I I still have a few. When we list the contracted service providers under those requirements, what are we defining as the contracted service provider? Is that is that like the person that owns the LLC, whether it be an individual or someone who's then employing drivers? That to me is the person who signs the contract Okay.
Whoever that would be. So whoever we have the contracts between the bus contractor and the RCBOE, that would be the contracted service provider. Okay. I guess, one of my questions was number two underneath there says, demonstrated previous competent performance as a service provider. And so I'm just wondering, like, how a new bus driver gets started. If they're supposed to have previous experience, how how then then do new bus drivers get started?
Are we requiring that they're driving buses elsewhere before they come here? The intent would be anybody who has driven. So like if you're a driver now and you've driven for a period of time and you've proven that you're competent, the contractor that you're driving for could provide you a letter that says this driver has exhibited all the and we're gonna know because they're gonna have been approved to drive for us. So they're gonna have a track record for us. That would be one way. Another way would be experience in another district, owning buses in other districts, those kind
of things. If you want to provide services to us, you would have to send in your application with the forms filled out and then we would review them to make sure that we have all the competent and productive. Part of it is you would have to have the ability to acquire a bus. We currently have some language like that in our contract, but it's not very what does that mean? So if you went to a bus dealership and you wanted to be a contractor and they provided you an intent to sell, are they gonna you had another entity
out there that would lit guarantees to lease you of us. There would be these forms that you would fill all this stuff out. And then in the summer, we would take all those forms and you would know prior to school time whether you've been approved to be a contractor for us. Right. Currently, all of our contractors, in theory, as long as they're in good standard, would be a competent contractor. No. I understand that. It's saying that they have to demonstrate previous competent performance. So my basic question is just, is that Rutherford County Schools saying we're not hiring
new new to the field bus drivers. Like someone who hasn't driven a bus before. If you haven't driven a bus at all and you have zero days experience, I'm not gonna hire you. Okay, so that's what this is saying. I'm just trying to get clarification on what You're gonna have to have driven for somebody, somebody else. I'm not I I don't want to be you walk up, I got a bus. My father used to tell me when I was a carpenter, if he shows up with brand new tools and a brand new pouch, he's a brand new carpenter. Don't hire him.
I'm kind of the same way with bus contractors. I you know, you're gonna have to if you drove for another contractor for a year or two years, out of our district, get a letter from that contractor and from that district that it tells me how long you drove, then we'll determine whether And this would already be a new approved contractor will. A new bus driver could drive underneath another contractor. They just can't be the contractor. So we could have somebody with zero years experience that's hired by a contractor. They just can't be a contractor on their own yet. They could know that's how it would be personally.
So I guess my question then and forgive me because I just don't know, what is the difference then? Because if the concern is about their lack of experience, I guess I'm not understanding and maybe that's just me not having the knowledge or the background, I'm not understanding what the difference is between it sounds like to me the difference is who owns the bus at that point. Do well, you're somebody's putting up their liability for you to drive for them. They're not driving for me.
That contractor is responsible for that route, not the driver. Right. But if they were their own contractor with their own bus, they're now carrying that insurance. Correct. So I'm I'm failing to understand where the difference is because that to me says it's it's not about the experience because if you're gonna allow them to drive under x y z bus services with no experience, why could they then not drive their own bus with no experience? Because they don't have the experience of managing the bus service.
That's why driving for someone else you learn those experience in how to manage and what to do. So you're not wanting them to drive I don't as a contractor, not necessarily a driver. Correct. Contractor. Okay. And that's Go. Right ahead. Well, kinda going through this for the last three or four months and talking to all parties, I think what what Trey is saying in the way the system has been set up, and and this was something that contractors have done, I think, years
ago, is that when they hired a new driver, there was a prerequisite that they had to drive for somebody two years of experience. Well, actually, the end of that two years experience, then they could have thought for a rally. Right? That that that's kinda the way it is right now. It's in the contract, isn't it? Yes. Yes. Now now I'm and I'm a be the fine art of my idea. Here is something that I observed that I think could possibly help us. One reason I'm hesitant on some of this, is that I can see a possibility.
You you take a a you take a a a man or a woman that's been an over the road truck driver. Got a CDL license. They're 55 years old. They're tired of being over the road. They got probably more miles experience in navigating traffic, navigating anything. They don't have bus experience, but I believe they could probably learn it pretty good. If I were to apply for a contract, I would be sympathetic to them personally because I can see where a 55 year old could go buy them a new
bus that can run for fifteen years and retire in seventy years and turn that contract back in to us. And so my observation I'm a and and you'll understand what I'm saying is my observation to all of this is we have a lot of our contractors who got some years on them like me. There's a lot of gray hair out there. And I have been racking my brain for the last three months to see, is there a way for us to promote not necessarily a young person getting involved because
the situation that we saw happened in Chattanooga a few years ago. That horrified me, and I think it horrified everybody on this panel right now on this board. But I do think there's some opportunities for and I dare say the word middle aged season, doctor Martin? Can I use the word middle aged now? And everybody know what I'm talking about that could come back and and do this. That that's the only that's my only caveat or I've got a little concern right here that we can I don't wanna say tweak this?
I understand the intent of it. I think I agree with 90% of it right now. But if there was a way we could come back maybe and visit some of this later, I don't think I'm opposed to maybe passing this the way it is right now, but it was maybe Monday I can tweak it a little bit. I personally, I would like to talk to the contractors. Maybe it's above layers on from the board, I don't know if y'all wanna give me that responsibility or not, but to just, you know, kinda take the temperature of room before then say, okay.
Give me some idea, guys. We've we've got we've got to diversify. We've got to get the people in the communities that are if we're gonna keep this system going the way we've got it, we've gotta get people that live in the community to drive them. That that's that's what I'm trying to say. I think you're spot on because we've struggled with that. I think it originally the two years came from the contractor's request. Hadn't that always been There was a cost to them to to claim them, I think. And I can see that, but would there really be if if a guy or and I don't need to do some concern as a car park, but I'll tell
you one thing on the other side of that. I think more so than being able to drive the bus is being able to handle the kids. That's true. You know, driving bus is one thing, but more handling the kids. It's a two edged sword. It is. You're exactly right. Which there's a truck that's on the road. And then If we could give them a test before school started, we could go ahead and get us about thirty, forty yard yahoos and put them on the bus. Back to the guys at Chattanooga and back.
And if they they still on there when they got back, we'd be in good shape. Yeah. If they stop, put the kids off and they no no deal. Okay. Well, moving on from that one, number four, the financial statement. Is this referring to when it says identified in the agreement for services? Is that referring to something in the contract, the new contract that we just passed? No, ma'am. But we have no criteria or nothing to state that they can even get a loan for a bus. If they qualify for that, that would be as simple as you've gone down and
you've got the money tomorrow. You could could get a letter from your bank. You could get a letter from the bus company. You could whoever if you're gonna lease a bus, a letter that you're they're gonna take care that you're financially responsible to meet your fit. Would a title be sufficient? If they already bought the bus Yeah. If they already owned a bus then they wouldn't that that would be sufficient. Yeah. So is the purpose of this for them proving that they're going to have a bus essentially? Pretty much because right now they can get a route and then it can take up to sixty to ninety days to get a bus.
So we're not any better off for sixty to ninety days. We would like to have these contractors to know that they have access to a bus. Mhmm. Before we assign them a route. Exactly. So is it possible to reword that? Because to me this sounds like you're wanting access to like their financial information banking type stuff. I would prefer for it to say something more along like what we just said. We ask for banking stuff for other things but if that if you just want to make it that you're able to provide a form that you can get a
bus then that's I don't have a problem with that. I I just think it's I mean they're independent contractors so what their finances and their banking is really isn't our contract has the actual bus. I just think there's probably a better way of asking for that. Our contractors that we do business with have to provide in what's called an AIA three zero five which is their banking number before they can even be it. But if you want to limit that to ability to provide a bus, then I'm
fine. I I think we should require them to provide financial statement because we can't just take them for the award. Right? If we remove that, we're just taking the award that they're gonna have a class. Right? Is that Well, that right there is more it it it includes more than the bus. We currently have we have some contractors now that struggle to get their bills paid. Right. But the form you're talking about that you get is for another purpose. This line was to make sure that they were going to have a bus. Correct? Yep. And they're financially able to pay for that form.
Right. Would they still fill out that form though? It's a different form. That's for general contractor. It's a different it's a different form. It's kinda requesting the same information. But I'm fine with a letter from a bank or or a bus That's what I'm saying. Like if they provide proof that they have been approved for their loan for this bus or whatever that is Either approval for a loan or cashing a cashing a bank to buy the house Yeah. Trey, who's gonna approve it?
The bank. Who's gonna approve what they've gotten up enough? The bank. We we would. I mean, we would look at it. I'll tell you exactly what I do. They come in with mid south bus with the contract. I'm gonna call mid south bus and talk to them. Find out what their arrangement is because if they can't pay the bus, mid south's on the hook. I don't need us on the hook. So you're the one that basically approves it? It'd be Wanda and I, but if we had any question, we would come to doctor Sullivan. I mean, we're not looking the other districts, we we got this from some of
this from Knox County and some from Hamilton and some from, Montgomery. You know, different the way they go about paying stuff. We're trying to loosen it up to give us some flexibility to get more people, but we don't need it to be the wild wild west. And then I know it may be over simplification. Do y'all have yardstick basically to go by? I mean, are you just in in your own mind? Or do you have a yardstick basically to look at it? How much If they've satisfied mid south bus, they've satisfied me. Because Mid South bus is gonna be either taking a check or they're gonna be
collecting a loan. And if they they're gonna have to get a loan for a bus, you've gotta provide your banking information and your upper your ability to pay to them. So they basically cleared them to pay for the bus. I'm just looking for somebody other than us to guarantee that they can pay. Okay. So let me ask a question. If we reward this to provide a letter for the bank and then you approve them, but then something happens and the deal falls through, what happens at that point? They turn in their route.
They turn in their route. I mean, it it happens currently. I mean, we have people that, you know, have unexpected financial situations each year. It's not something where we have 20 people turn in a bus every year, but there's there's somebody every year due to some health condition or some other mechanism. We have a mechanism in the contract for them to be able to turn that route in which would allow them to be out of the obligation for the bus, sell it, turn it back in, whatever they need to do to satisfy their own
thing. So I think this is more for the first year more than anything because if you've been with the with the county more than two like, at least two or three years or ten years, then there's already established a history of owning buses. I'm not looking for it from everybody that we got. If you're already working for us, you've already satisfied this criteria. Right. Exactly. So this so more This is what it is. Really more for the first first year. If it's working good if it's working good, I don't know why we changed it. I think we have some questions over here.
Well, my just a second. As long as the current contractors accept all of our routes, it's not. Okay. But if they don't, and I've gotta bring in someone else, then Yeah. I don't I don't wanna die before that. I just I feel like they were we're we're trying to digest a lot and from and I'm gonna share with the rest of this community. Some situations I stumbled upon. The trade might not mention this. The trade might know about it. But there there have been some what if I'm not putting words in your mouth
right now. Correct me if I'm wrong. But I think what he was referring to is we have to have something here because it can't be the Wild Wild West. There have been instances where somebody has gotten a route awarded to them and then them never buy the bus. They've leased the bus. They've leased the bus from another company. There's another driver in there. Their name may be on the contract, but they have nothing in it. In other words, they brokered the deal, and they're taking a slim portion off the
top because they got awarded that. I am not in favor of that. The success of the owner operator, the small contractor of this county has been those community people that have lived in the community, that have driven that same bus for twenty, thirty generations, some of them generationally. I wanna do everything we can to make sure those continue to happen. And the guys and ladies that are in this to make a quick buck, to
turn around and flip these routes, flip these buses. It's it's it's it's akin to what I have seen go on in real estate business for the last three years. And I just think we could with Trey right here, I think we gotta tighten it up a little bit. I don't know exactly that we've got all the language in there that we want or at least our. But I I do feel like I need to make the committee aware of some of the situations I stumbled upon during our contract negotiation. So I don't know again, I don't know if we post a call list for
thirty days. I don't wanna put it off. It's got to be addressed. We've got a breakdown today. This makes us a contract. So Mister Tippen. I I don't know. Everybody else's thoughts. I'm gonna throw you I'm gonna throw you an idea out there. What if we what if we do approve it so that that goes goes to the board meeting and we can have more discussion at the board meeting so that we're not restricted to another quarter before we make a decision? And and that could be fine if we can come back and tweak it in a quarter. Yeah. If you want to. Oh, no. No. I mean, so we don't have to wait a quarter. We can if we if we got approved with language currently, we can still adjust
it at the board meeting. This is more of a recommendation table. Yeah. Is is that something that everyone can I'm not sure I'll be ready Thursday night, but we can try it. It wouldn't have to be Thursday. I'm just gonna get to the Okay. Just No. But Would it would it make more sense to postpone it, have the discussion at the board to revise it how we want, and just have the board approve this policy? The the only concern that I would I would have is is what freight says is if all the routes don't get taken up and we need to go back to some of this language, I'd rather get some of that approved. Does it need to be approved?
The insurance provision needs to go ahead and get will approve. A second. Insurance. The insurance portion? Is that what we're approving? Right. I don't make a motion, but hold on. Then it'll go to the board for discussion? Schedule board for discussion. Yep. We can do that. Anyway, we can make changes there. Are you okay with that, Cherry? I'm fine with whatever y'all want, but here this is the problem.
If we don't have something in place, even if you want me to you tell me how you wanna work number four, number six, what verbiage you would like to see. If we don't have all routes taken on the twenty fourth, I have no mechanism to go outside and get them back. Gotcha. I'm dead in the water. Mister mister mister Reed, can I ask, the the insurance information is in the contract? Correct? Yeah. So I guess my question then would be if this is repeating what's already in the contract that has already been approved and taken place, why, like, why is this
then repeated in policy? Why wouldn't the policy just say, you know, that the insurance requirements are as presented in the contract that was approved on with the date? You can do that. But it's currently says the account carries such insurance with one trust. Will that not happen? Yeah. Four four and five have to come out. No. I understand that. I'm just I'm just trying to understand because then the question for me is gonna come, has anybody looked at all of the changes in here, compared them word for word to the contract? Because if there are discrepancies between the contract and this policy, what what supersedes at
that point? And and I guess you as the attorney or have you or miss Ridley done that? Has there been, like, a side by side comparison to the current contract and this policy? So revert the concession section five, we're gonna put it in court. The contract. We wanted to do that. But the language that we have in here, currently, would be taking contact with getting
your own internal is the same as the end of our Right. But the rest of this policy, there's been a whole lot of stuff, like, added and changed throughout the rest of this policy. So because it's all highlighted. Correct, miss Ridley? And it's a little kind of hit or miss on my pages. I know you said your printer was out of ink, but it looks like quite a bit of page five and I think all of page six. Correct? This is all sent to this one. Yes. So Miss Sharp? Thank you, madam chair. So, can we stay with mister Vaughn's motion and just say pages one through four
and then postpone pages five and six for further review? Yes. As long as the board realizes that we don't have our routes filled on July 24, we have no way to Thursday routes. Yeah. Well, I don't wanna do that. Board members are good. We need to approve this later. Wanna have something so that they can have something to go after because They got kids rowing have all our routes filled. So they need something that they can use. So I We can come back and change it like right. Yes, mister. Yeah. But, you want to take the floor?
You want an answer? We had a great question down here. So which one? You like some? Yeah. Okay, this is on page two under number six whereas the third paragraph where it reads additionally and STARS additionally a certificate that may be invoked in school bus drivers convicted that it has various offenses other than the drug charged, it appears all of them are driving charges. But with the greatest attachment around that bus to such students, we don't have anything
to get there and convict it in the child abuse or sexual offense to a child. We're not going to prove that it is under somebody else. So all our all our bus drivers still have to pass a background check when they apply. And now we participate in the wrap back program. So just like our regular employees, if there's something on their background that's a disqualifying offense, I don't approve those. Okay? They're automatically disqualified. If after they've been hired, they get a criminal charge, which is a disqualifying offense
because they're in the ratbag program that would be sent to us and then that would disqualify them from driving. So all those kind of things you're, you know, the terrible violent drug offenses, felony level offenses, disqualify people from employment in the school system. Yeah. Disqualify people from employment in the school system. Yes. Volunteers. I mean, anyone who's in our in our schools working with our kids has to do background checks. Yes, ma'am. Miss Ridley, we're only doing those background checks every five years? No, ma'am. Are we doing them every year? So prior to us being in that Ratvac program, on existing employees, we were doing
it every five years. So when you got hired and then every five years. Now we participate in the RatVac program, which means if I got arrested tomorrow, I haven't been here a full five years, that would come back and the HR would be notified that I haven't been pulled because we've already pulled that. So it kind of triggers to notify some people you pulled. Right. Okay. It's continuous. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. You're welcome. Yes, sir. The only other thing I wanted to bring up is I know there's been discussion with number 34. So we have done the best contract.
No ticket on that at all. No. I've I've I've gone 34 on page six. Sorry. The the very end one. Page six with the third one. On that one as well. So no contractor shall have more than 20 contracts or more than approved. Something like that, I think we also need to discuss because that includes subleases because we have contractors that sublease out and have over 10% of our entire court. What is it? Become a Yep. Like, I mean, I I don't know where that came from. I just know that it was added. So can I come back just a second? They some of the issues that, again, I've discovered during our negotiation.
Again, there there are people, contractors that own card interest. There's three way deals or two way deals. There's all kinds of deals. And I have, again, I have a concern about all that is that these need to be if there's enough and enough and and and I think about this as much as this board wants about the increase, the contractors paid this year. If there's enough profit margin in there that they can sublease these things out and
they can trade them around and they can play it. It's almost like monopoly money just a little bit. Something's not exactly right. Okay? I'm just gonna be very honest Robert. I do believe that after talking to many of the contractors, I think one person can manage safely, you know, 10 buses. I've I've watched some of them operate. Most of them have five to six to eight buses. We'll have one or two backup buses. They can afford to do that. There becomes an economy of scale.
I get that. I don't think I'm not so naive to sit over here and think that every, you know, man and woman is gonna have two or three routes within their house. So I'm not trying to put anybody out of business. But I think when we turn this thing loose, if you have somebody that's got twenty, thirty routes, If that's the case, guys, then then we really should bid out the whole transportation program, and that's not what we want. Right? I think we've all been on record here to say we like the system that we have. But when you put the control in a handful of people, and that's what you're
saying, I I don't know that it needs to be 20, but, you know, we can start at twenty. It used to be ten, didn't it? Or eight or something like that? Six. Six? And then it it was taken out under our previous contract. So we went from six to seven. We went from six to seven. Undetermined. Correct. And and and I've got a concern with that. My personal belief is when he lived in 10. I know I'm gonna take y'all with Jan with probably half dozen of our contractors, but I just I don't think it's good business. It's not this many kids.
And I hate to remind everybody, we were we were almost held hostage right at the end of the school season season season school year this year. So, anyway, I don't know. I I would like to hear discussion from the rest of the board if you need to about the 20. Yeah. Doctor mister Smith. Can you jump in? The only thing I was gonna say if you're the thing you have to remember if you're a husband and a wife, they're already they can double up pretty quick. And that that would be that would be 40.
That that's my that that's my But that's the other thing we have here for you to think about because that's what when it was six, that's what husband and wife did. They they created two separate companies. And that could have And that could have And I can see that work. I really can see that work. You know, we It's good Yeah. I agree. Everything that Stan just mentioned here, I was saying some of the same concerns. I'm totally good if we keep it another 20. If we need to drop that threshold down to 15, I'm good with that as well. As Stan also pointed out, which is what I was going to point out as
well, is during the negotiations of this contract, it was a select few at the top that had a larger portion of these buses that were pushing around since the mom and pops. It's those mom and pops on the back of them that our school system runs and we don't want to push them out. I did not like some of the antics that were going on. I would like to see this less centralized instead of more centralized. And I agree with Stan if we're gonna just open the gates wide open and just let this well, first off, they they said it could hardly afford to run
a bus and now they're running businesses in buses. But if we're gonna keep that the way that it is then, yeah, open it up and centralize it, which I am not for. So, I can't breathe anymore than the words that Stan's already said here. But I just wanna add that other piece on there that if we're gonna drop it down, we don't have to be a drastic drop. We might need to fill routes anyways. I think there will be a few routes for it, maybe we can have them all filled. Maybe we don't need to make the major change this year, but certainly not above
that 28 threshold and I am okay even dropping that down just a little bit if you don't think it's gonna mess up this year. I know we're close to the timeline. But mom and pops run this system. That is the that is the best thing for this system, not having a bunch of businesses running a bunch of buses. I just picked 20 as the conversation picks. Oh, we got the conversation. Well, we have a motion on the floor and we have second that we can continue this discussion and ask for it. And then, so that we can go ahead and vote tonight because they do need I'd like to go ahead and make the change to that that line about the
financial statement if we're gonna go ahead and approve this. That number four on line 38 on page five. On that number four, you could say approved accessible to the transportation department of adequate flooding torture if you successfully need to have carrier identified on this rental service. I'm fine with that. Is that would that work, Trey? Yes. Proof accessible from the transportation department of adequate funding sources. It's like a letter from CNN or something Also, Monica, line 26 on page six.
It's f I think the word view needs to be taken out of there. It says a description of the equipment used to be used in the performance of assigned services. I think it's just a typo. Is it supposed to be saying a description of the equipment to be used in the performance of assigned services. Yeah. I think that's the So if we can strike the view out of that line. Where do we go at line 34? I want to, like they've got motion on full. Yes. I want them I want to amend the motion on full to change to our
unthirty four to 10 contracts. What was that number? 10 to 10. Yeah. He wants to change it from 20 to 10. I have a question about that. This might be more for Mr. Reid or Mr. Lee. I do know that I've heard some rumblings about a few different things. When the insurance thing came up I know we had some contractors say, I'm not doing it anymore if I have to carry the liability. And I know some of them will go dry for other people because the liability is on that company and not on them personally. That's my concern with dropping this lower than the 20.
Because if we're having things like that occur and then we start limiting how to that degree how many people can hold those contracts, my concern would be that we may then start creating our a bigger issue with drivers. Miss Macon? Yes, miss Stable. How many contractors have more than 15 plus a cent or anything. In a handful. So you're talking about a handful? That was pretty cheap. Yeah. Yeah. We got a spreadsheet. Okay. Just just rough idea.
Three. Okay. I think 15 is probably a sufficient number there. Katie's concern is is real. I do know contractors that have tried to umbrella underneath because of the insurance thing. So I I totally get that. $10.10 seems a little steep to me just because we're so close. But, Sam, if you wanna do 15, you got a second out of me. I'll say twelve. I'll put in the middle of twelve. Half of us. Oh, that's good. I mean, nobody will second. I'll stake in your your Let's just say yeah.
I mean, we're not I was thinking okay. Yeah. They'll say we'll figure we'll figure out what the tolerance level is. Okay. Well, that's And and and, yeah, and I would make this come I appreciate I agree with you. I'm just sitting here thinking, you know, you you again, if you got 2,000 with two parking, I could have 15. John Higgins would have 15, but it's operating on the same umbrella. I don't know. There's 30 of us. I mean, we are a transportation company. We're not I see. I can tell. That's that's I see.
I can tell. That's that's probably, you know, I think 20 I can see a bunch of them doing 20, and then they have their own shop. That's the reason I said Yeah. I think, you know, we talk let's talk about decent decentralized and diversity. Yeah. I That makes a lot more sense than 15. I mean, because mom and pop could have 20. And I would say this, the crew that that my when I when I say my crew, the ones that I've talked to consistently, the ones that my like Walter Hill, you know, now we could all name them. But most of them land in that six, eight I don't know if anybody goes
for it. And if they did, they're 10. And if they are, they they they they probably split them between husband and wife or business partner already. And so and then and if they are, then this still could give them an opportunity to grow. That's a lot of buzzes. I mean, you you know, you get you got two at 15. That's 30. That's 10% of our fleet. That that that would be my only you know, then you get it down well. We're just dealing with 10 people. If there were 10 people that had 30 routes of peas, they weren't you know,
we've really put our minds in five times. I hate to call it that, but y'all wanna know. Right? I'm We do have an amendment, and perfect. So I could just let it slow down. Let's take a look. So let's do a roll call. Is the amendment for ten, just to be clear on the record? It is ten. No. And just just to add one little other piece that everything discussed here. Since recommendations, we it's not concrete. No. We still have to. I'm willing to move Trey, last question. If this gets pushed in through, we vote on we're not obviously, not voting on Thursday, but we go through two readings.
Will it be effective immediately after the second reading or is this something that we are gonna be doing doing later on? We can do it. We're gonna try to do it on one. So all these policies that are before you and I'm I'm sorry. I should have said this at the beginning. We're gonna ask that all these be passed on one, so suspend the rules and pass on one reading. I planned on that being the August 5 or sixth meeting. Now I know there's a few of these that we might wanna pull out for this meeting on Thursday. I can do that.
I can't do all these for Thursday. Yeah. But if, you know, some of these are necessary this week, I can definitely work on getting those on the agenda. We need to get this one done tonight because Trey's got canceled Thursday. Yeah. We don't know if we're gonna have Mhmm. We're gonna take care of it. I think you would have Thursday night because you're gonna approve it anyway if you wanted to make a slight change first. Yeah. I think If you vote on your motion tonight, pass it. If you wanted to make a change, you can make a change first. You can vote at that point one reading.
It does. Let it go, and that will put us in a position to move all private. Because otherwise, you would need to this way to talk mister Fitz if we would start the school year without I have no mechanism. And and I'm gonna say it again. I hope our current contractors pick up the bus bus the bus routes that I've paid are uncovered or they haven't turned in their insurance yet. We've got five that I call uncovered. Nobody we've we've gone through tier one, tier two, and we're fixed to turn it
loose into tier three, which means anybody that wants it can come get it. That's currently working for us. If those routes are not picked up, I have no mechanism to do anything else until y'all vote for this in August. If you don't do something personal. How much it pay, sir? How much How much does it pay me or pay the I wouldn't drive the bus. No. No. Okay. So we've got the amendment is that no contractor shall have more than twenty ten contracts during any school year.
K. Hi. You have a question on policy, like, you know. I'm sorry. No one on the end. No one's ever called me that before. Hanukkah again. You'll just be policy lady. Policy lady. Right? You leave this in there. Policy. Look. Look. Any if they like, any policy we have can hit the no file, voided, pushed to the side for an emergency. Do we have that discretion as a voided director of schools can put it on
the agenda for a governor? And this may be more of a general question than it is. There is a policy. Mister Reid, do you wanna take that one? The director of school can't make qualifications on a temporary basis to fulfill the emergency budget to DDA from a policy. So if there's any kind of major change in the policy that would have to make it to you. Like this one, I wouldn't make changes to it because it's too much of a high. No. And and that's right. The the the question came up when Jay just brought it up. So, okay, well, what if we get two weeks from now, and we got somebody
that's got 10 routes on it and they wanna pick up two? Can we de negate one? What what what's the mechanism to de deign a special board meeting to address the situation? I would give you a quick call. Can you add it? Sort of, yeah. Like at if my concern is this, I don't wanna get to the start of the school year and we have routes sitting out there that are uncovered and we have people with buses and drivers, But because of what we just did here, we now have routes sitting with nobody to drive them.
I don't I think that that's not a a good way to go. So my question would be, can you add to this line? Unless specifically approved by the board for more than 10 routes or something. Well or you can do it on a per route basis. If if we if RCS is found to have uncovered routes, director of transportation the director of transportation has the authority to then award them additional routes beyond the 10. Something to that effect. In my opinion, at that point, the director needs to be the one that makes
that call. We can make a recommendation, but the director would be to want to make the approval. The question was, would you wanna make the call or do you do a mess? I'll try to put it for the board to avoid favoritism. Okay. That's what it so I'm gonna get you to the first have to but then the question is, would you then have to call a special call meeting? We just add it to the next one. If we already can't fill a wrap, we'd meet enough, that we would add it to the next agenda. We would we would Okay. Do what we do now. We would cover it for a week till y'all could have a voice mail because we're fixing to be back in the end. So can we before we vote on this, can we add that so that we're
not stuck in a position where you can't do anything because of the way this was written? So no contractor shall have more than 10 contracts during the school year unless specifically approved by the board. Unless what? Specifically approved by the board. You I just worry about people saying that you're doing it for favoritism reasons, which is why I said it would be nice if it was worded when there are unfilled routes. That's good. Yes. When unfilled routes exist. Yes. Okay. Is that an amendment? Are you making an amendment? Do we need to to vote on that? Yes. Yes. I heard it. Yes. Yes. Good. Well, that's right in there. I thought I'd stated that's Scarlet.
So are you gonna accept this Yeah. Yes. Okay. We're doing it. So So line 34, no contract Okay. I got it. Roll call? Yes, please. Okay. Alright. One thing, Trey. Do we know does any contractor have more than 10 routes now? Yeah. Does any contractor have more than 10 routes? Do we have a contractor with more than 10 routes? Yes. Here's another question, mister Reed. I think there break the rules?
These policies are supposed to go into effect August 5. But that was on August 20 or July 24, and then we'll go through that July 27. Okay. So my question for you, mister Reed, is in their contract, three point one said that they have to have thirty days notice for policy changes affecting buses. So then my question becomes, are we then approving those that have more than 10 for thirty days and then switching? I think the ones that already have it this year are correct on the day
of the season. For the school year? And it this would be more like that particular portion would be more like If you're over 10 now, we wouldn't take routes away. You just will be capped where you are. Okay. Unless you were specially approved. I I don't I agree. There's no way to do it. Yeah. But does that language need to be accurate? I mean, I that's the way I'll operate, but Just that they're they're they're capped to where they are, and we're not gonna take their routes away.
And let and the only way they could go up above where they are now is that special exception if they wanted to take a route that nobody else took in the director. So do we just forward. Help me add that client. Oh, right on the last over 10 this year. Any contractors currently having 10 or more routes are grandfathered for those two years? 26 or over 25, 26, 30. Yeah. But nobody has more than 20 contracts. But you have something with more than something. Doesn't have more than 20 contracts. Correct.
So one group could have 30? A husband? A husband the most that I'm aware of, top of my head, husband and wife, they probably have eight apiece. So they got 16. But there's two separate contract. No. We we have other we have a couple of individuals that have more than 10. 20? No. 12 to 15 contracts. One person? Yes. But are they in business together? One person. Are we gonna address the subleases or not?
I don't know how you how you prove it. Let's figure out Okay. Okay. Let's see how this operates. Okay. We need to be working with where the if it is abused, then we'll talk. That's a good point. Yeah. Is that okay? So are we saying are we saying line 34 is to take effect the twenty six, twenty seven school year? '26 or so. But, I wouldn't put a year. I'll should I Well, but we did we just said those that are starting this school year that already have them are just grandfathered for four years.
They're grandfathered for four years. Well, we may have already signed a four year contract with some of these contractors, so we may be obligated already for four year contract with both. And if they bought the best of the senior lines before the contract, I don't know how you can go back and take that one. I I don't think you can, but if they turn around in, you know, that that's what I'm getting back to. They cannot. If they turn around in, that becomes a cat. Yeah. That that's what I'm getting. If you got 12 and you turn one in I don't think we can void the contract we are talking about. You become 11. This section 34 probably need to take some we probably need to be careful with
our language here and bring that back to the board and again address that board level rather than trying to craft that section. Let let's do what we've done, and then you craft it, and let's review it first. Because I I gonna be too hot to go. Okay. I I because I I was growing from this these people here, and I have somebody put together. So in other words, can we approve it, then you come back? Yeah. That the board meeting, undo it. He's gonna give us better Okay. Let me reread it, please. Thank you. The amendment is to change line 34 on page six to state as follows.
No contractor shall have more than 10 contracts during any school year unless specifically And that's the language. Okay. Roll call. Mister Vaughn? Yeah. Which one? Mister Vaughn? Yes. Miss Sharp? Yes. Miss Rosales? Yes. Darby? Yes. Mister Tidwell? Yes. Miss Maxwell? Yes. Doctor Sullivan?
Yes. Doctor Martin? Yes. Doctor Guillen? Yes. Mister Creasy? Miss Card? Yes. Mister Scales? Yes. Mister Hartman? Yes. Now we need to vote for the entire thing, and we again, we can we'll discuss this again on Thursday. So we'll okay? I don't believe we need to do a roll call on the full thing. I think we can do it by acclamation. Oh, on the full call? Yeah. Because we're gonna tweak it. Can I just clarify that we we are changing line four on page five to what we discussed, the proof acceptable to the transportation department for adequate funding sources?
Correct? Yes. Including that? Yes. Perfect. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Mister Vaughn, you you made the motion. Miss Rosales, did you second it? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. Okay. Next up is policy 3.5, school nutrition management. This updates, language regarding charges for males. And doctor Sullivan, I think you have a few changes. Yeah. So a couple things. One, you guys know we've dealt with just astronomical charges for the last several years.
So this policy rewrite proposes to put some stipulations on it. So if you'll be on page two, starting on line 15, and 16 really you'll see we're striking there will be no limit to the amount of reimbursable meals provided and so that's how we could have students that would just continually build that. So you'll see the rewrite and I'll just read it because I've gotta make a change. It's the intent of the district for school nutrition program provides the opportunity for each student to have a nutritious meal every day. However, if circumstances are required students may charge their meal in accordance with the following.
We have changed it, from what you have there to, ElementaryMiddle and high school students can charge meals as long as the balance does not exceed $60 And so we had discussed having elementary, middle not having a range and then high school having 40. I think it would be easier for everybody if we just had a split and it was a set amount for everything so you can charge up to $60. Mhmm. Oh, I think. 60. Yep. Okay. We were thinking that's about two weeks roughly of breakfast at lunch. Only one meal may be charged per meal service per school day.
And so the student can only get one meal for breakfast or one meal for lunch. They can't charge more than that. Adult charges are not allowed. Adhere's five and six are big. A la carte items may not be charged. And so if you have an outstanding balance, balance, you can't go and charge for chips or something else you wanna have. Same for six. Holocart purchases cannot be made if there's a negative charge balance on the account, and so you can't go and charge if you owe money somewhere. The rest of it doesn't change. We'll still send charge notifications home. Students will still get a meal. It'll be an alternate meal.
We don't like necessarily advertising or talking about how if a kid brings lunch, and they need an alternate meal, we'll then give them that alternate meal. So Yes, miss miss Johnson. So number five, that means a la carte Mhmm. Items cannot be charged period. Correct. Okay. That's good. That's it. That's good. I didn't know that they could. Yeah. I'm reminded that if you couldn't, but you could charge a regular meal but not all at heart. It could both be a pretty special one. Not supposed to. You'll see it's in line set of team if it happens. Gotcha. Okay. So this puts it all together. Okay. So I have a question.
So if it goes out and I'm sorry. And number two, if it exceeds $40 for high school students, 60. $60.60 for everything. Just change it to 60. 60 for everybody. For everybody. They'll be given an alternate meal, which won't be the same as the other, but they will be doing things. But I know I need kids to be hungry. Any other comments or questions? Yes, mister Tidwell. I'm sorry. I I can barely hear. What did you say with that? Do I you said they'll be given an alt they'll still be given an alternate meal. No student's gonna go hungry, but it's not gonna be the full a la carte item that or the full item that is, like, a $3 and 75.
So that'll be an alternate meal. Okay. Yes, mister Scott. I know this is I know we're talking I know we're talking about causes, but, I know I've been on the bandwagon about the bad meal debt, and this positive one was bad meal debt. Did we ever try I know you and I, doctor Nguyen, we sat together, and there was a a plan with different things that we were gonna implement to try to circumvent some of this issue. Did we ever try to do that? No. I guess not. We've been going on. We've tried everything except taking parents to, court.
Well, this looks like this one. It should. Well Should lower the limit. Lower some of this because I was like I said, I thought that the meal debt was over just the school lunch. I didn't know it was for a la carte items and other things. Right. I always that ice cream and other stuff? Yes, miss Dahlgren? Doctor Sullivan? Yeah. I'm sorry. It's hard to hear you. It is. So just for anyone of the public watching, can you kind of go through when they are charging up debt, they can they can charge up to $60 Can you please talk about what's happening once it hits $60 Yeah.
So that people anyone listening Yep. Understand? So parents will be getting notifications along the way. So because they're charging weekly, every Friday, they'll send a notification, email, and phone call how much their student charges. And if they get to sixty hours and they have their bill, then when they get to go for that next time's charged and they get that sixty hours, we'll give them an alternate bill instead. So we're just letting everybody know they are still getting food. Absolutely. Still getting food. Yeah. Yep. Exactly. Regardless. Yes. Yeah. Any other questions? Yes.
Yeah. Yes. Okay. I'll take a motion. Thank you, mister Stupel. Second. Thank you, mister Vaughn. All in favor say aye. Aye. Thank you. Next. Next is policy 4.1 Instructional Program. This adds the definition of antisemitism pursuant to change in state law. Any comments or questions? Move to approve Sorry. Second. Thank you, miss Sharp. Thank you, mister Tidwell. All in favor say aye. Aye. Next. And you'll see that's in several policies, but I'll try to point them out as we go along. Policy 4.212,
virtual education program. This adds a hybrid learning option in the event of dangerous or extreme weather pursuant to a change in state law. We will still use our inclement weather days first. This would only be in the event that we did not or we ran out of our inclement weather days or we've been through by the commissioner. So there was a lot of chatter on social media that snow days are gone and all those different types of things. No. This would be the last resort. Oh, sorry. Miss Mitchell. Yes, miss Rosellis. Monica, should we put here that there's it's limited to four days?
It can't because I've always understand that state law said it's continuous for four days. I thought there was a restriction on how to fill the it this year. I'm sorry? They changed it this year. So it's in it's an infinite number of days? I don't think it's infinite. You have to get commissioner's education approval. I thought it was four. It used to be four. I thought it was that you can do that, but it was limited to four days. Alright. It's oh, well, I miss if I misunderstood, then I apologize. I did not see a number of things in the public chapter when I looked.
Okay. I thought I had understood it as four days, but it if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. It's fine. Move to approve. Second. Thank you, mister Stipple. Thank you, mister Vaughn. All in favor say aye. Aye. Thank you. Next. And, mister Rosales, I can find that out for you before I get that next meeting. Yes, ma'am. Next is policy 4.301, Interscholastic Athletics. This adds language for participation in Interscholastic Athletics for students attending virtual schools. This is pursuant to a change in signal. Alright. We already allow it, but it splits the democratic policy.
We would we already allow it. If a virtual school doesn't have that program, they can go to their zone school. Just The only school, not any school. Correct. So it has to be zone school. Mhmm. Not because if you said they are put in the principal that's been up there, they can still try out just like a homeschool student that they would be able to out. That'd be good. Move to approve. Second. Thank you. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Okay. Next is 4.403, library materials.
This adds language that materials may not be excluded from school libraries solely on the grounds that the materials are religious. This is pursuant to a change in state law. Mister Reed, do you wanna add anything on this one? No. I think I think it's self explanatory. So, Adam Grant, we have, I will call that and then I'll move. Mister Sippler. Second. Thomas? Thank you. I don't know if he chimed in first, but I would go with mister Zippel. I chimed in. Oh, the second? The second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Next. Okay. Next is policy 4.406,
use of the Internet. This updates district Internet use regarding age appropriate content, access to social media platforms, and protection of personal information. This is pursuant to a change in state law. And you'll see the two, sections are basically this is a restatement of what we already had and then the social networking is new and states that students can't access social media platforms using district Internet except when expressly authorized for educational purposes.
Yes, Mr. Zelos. I have a question on that number seventeen eighteen. When will the, teacher use it as a form of education for it to go on the social media platforms? Because the whole reason why the whole cell phone in prison rates and it went all that to the state is so that they could be limited to social media. Yeah. But a teacher very well could put on their, like, their school page, or their account things the students were doing for that day. And if they're not allowed access during the day, then they too.
Okay. Okay. Miss Charlotte? Thank you, madam chair. I have a perfect example of a marketing department that would have been wanting to do, some marketing of some of the things that are going on at the local school and up to this point they have been contributing to doing that. So this is a good step in the right direction for us to be able to kind of show all our students. So I'll move to approved. Second. Okay, thank you. All in favor say aye. Any opposed? Motion passed. Next. Next is policy 4.6
grading system. This adds some some cleanup language for grading of advanced coursework and performing arts courses. Move to approve. Thank you, mister Vaughn. Do we have have a second? Second. Second. Thank you, mister Vaughn. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Next. Next is 4.601 reporting student progress. This adds the screener scores to k three zero eight report cards. This is pursuant to a change in state law. Any comments or questions? Line four and five talks about the director of school should develop a reporting procedure.
Our reporting procedure is Skyward or whichever Okay. Board we go to. And so that's how parents access how their student is doing. We've already talked to Skyward this year, and they're gonna add in the reader screening and dyslexia screening for parents to be all seen. Question. Are these going to be sent home in paper as well? No. So then my question is, this says that they have to be signed. So are they gonna have the option to be able to electronically sign? Where is that? Each report shall be signed by the parents and returned properly to the school.
Line three at the very top. That is definitely very old to put in there since 2,000 times. We have not been doing that for a very long time. So we should strike that. So we should strike that line, probably. I think. Which one? Line three. So line three, we are striking. Each report shall be signed by the parents and returned promptly to the school. Doctor Sullivan, will we be and I'm totally talking to the parent right now. Will we be sending out something to parents on where they can access or how to access the report cards on Skyward?
Because that has been Okay. Yes. It's part of the reason we will hopefully not deal with Skyward in a couple of weeks. Right? If we can send that, probably, I hate to say it, but probably in every quarter once report cards are ready. Any other comments or questions? Move to approve with changes. Thank you, mister Harvey. Thank you, mister Tibble. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passed. Policy 4.602 grade point average. This just adds cleanup language to match the state policy and the other board policies.
Move to approve. Five points. It it was in another policy, but we missed it in this one. Yeah. So this just cleans it up. Any comments or questions? Move to approve. Thank you, mister Copy. Thank you, mister Barnes. All all in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Next. 4.605 parental issue requirements. We postponed this one from the meeting on on April 29 and this updates participation in school activities for early graduates. This is one of the ones that we wanted to gather information from the principals,
and this is what they what they discussed and reached the consensus on. Somewhat of a consensus. And then ultimately, it says somebody has to make a decision. So this is what our proposal is. Do we still I'm trying to ask miss Martin. Do we still I'm gonna ask miss Martin. Do we still I'm gonna ask you to talk to Martin. I'm sorry. We'll be all through Martin. I'm sorry. Do we still have a lot of kids wanting to graduate? I know during COVID, we started more and more kids wanting to graduate early. This year, we had the most number ever. We had over 600 graduate early in December. Oh, yeah. But we, you know, we're close to getting kids graduating after thirty or three years.
Yeah. Because you get, you know, you get eighty years, three years, twenty four, we are required. Mhmm. You know, so I'd like to approve this but it looks like to approve. Second. Thank you. Thank you very much. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. 4.602 graduation activities. This updates language for graduation participation for students at alternative schools. Yes. Yes. I'd like to make a modification after number 12, so at the end of line
12. The way this is written, if a senior is enrolled in an alternative school at the end of the school year, the student shall be allowed to participate what I propose is that we add to participate the offense must not have been a zero tolerance offense and the student must be in good standing of the alternative school. Can you repeat that? At the end of line 12, to participate, the offense must not be a zero tolerance offense, and the student must be in good standing at the alternate school.
That's great. I don't want a student who threatened somebody or that brought a weapon then come and walk. See, yes. Then walk the next week. No move for approval. Okay. Thank you. Sorry. All in favor say aye. Aye. Woah. Woah. Woah. Sorry. I have a question. Line 13 says that out of school suspension shall not be considered an unexcused absence. Yes. But on our tenant's policy that we're gonna look at, it says it is Yes. And that is specifically just for this because otherwise the kids would be double punished
for just just graduation activities. So you were right an unexcused absence is out of school suspension, but when we're talking about graduation activities we they would be already in trouble for going to the alternative school and and the Ravenna meth and OSS and so have that again count against the bones we are gonna double Could we, at the end of line 12, change it to not to include Yeah. OSS absences. Just because otherwise, I feel like it's policies, like, conflicting one another.
So strike line 13. It's saying not to include absences from out of social suspension. Okay. Sorry. I will. Well, hey. See, everyone so common? Seeing issues with this, the principal? It's kinda me in the middle. It's all charges because you are the key to get there. Oh, no. I I think this is There are repercussions. Consequences for your behavior. Okay. Let's try this again. So all in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Next. Next is policy 5.1,
personnel goals. Like the other one this removes the requirement for education educator diversity goals pursuant to a change in state law. Move for approval. Thank you. Are these goals just for hiring or is this a stranger to our focus? Hiring. Hiring. Okay. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Next. Okay. Next is policy 5.115, assignment of transfer, which changes the notification requirement to the board of employee transfers. And basically what this does is involuntary transfers which we have very few of, when
voluntary transfers occur. We talked about quarter. I didn't wait. We really talked about monthly. That's the mark we talked about. I think we're gonna do it quarterly. We're having HR compile these, the list of involuntary transfers. The only time you have an involuntary transfer is if you have a, like, reduction in staff at one school to reduction at the next. It says at the next regular scheduled meeting, I'll probably just do that through my email itself. So I've updated you all in the past. Like, if we moved three positions from Black Elementary to Brown's Chapel, this would be
that type of situation of what we did last year. So could we could we say the board shall be notified involuntary transfer to our director of schools via email? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Does this Chris will get to make No. It's in procedure. It is last hired in the district. Volunteers first, last hired in the district. And then you move on, then you just keep going that list. Which you can do? The board shall be notified of involuntary transfers by director of schools via email. Move to approve. Thank you, mister Tibble. Thank you, mister Tibble.
All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Next. Policy 5.119, employee employment of retirees. This updates requirements for employment of retirees pursuant to a change in state law, and these are quite big changes. Yes, please. Some of the biggest changes, I think TSBA talked about this as well, this weekend was that you can't have a prearranged agreement with someone. And so when somebody retires, there has to be an opening, and there can't be
a prearranged signed agreement. There's not a penalty on the district, but there will be a penalty for the employee, to where they will be then taxed at both rates. And so that is gonna be something that when we communicate to our employees that they they've gotta be aware of, because the comp tour's office is looking at two groups of people. I don't know if they showed this or not. Main impact. So and not a not a penalty to the district if there's a reentry range, but it is a penalty to the employee. So if they wanna come back to the district, it has to be arranged after they have to wait hundred and twenty.
Days has to post as an opening, and then you can hire and there's can't be a free range. No. They'll be after that. Some of the ladies already made this statement to Yes. What was that last question? It has to be hard to fill. That's right. It has to be hard to fill. Yes. Have we let have we let, the educators that have done this in the past, have we let me know that this is kind of on the line? Yes. The ones that we had less than we expected. I thought we had hundreds last year, we had less than 20. Oh, wow. So it was a lot less than I expected. It was insane.
Any other comments or questions? Yes, Michelle. I'm just glad that they didn't do away with this altogether. I know because it has helped us immensely, and I I I kinda see, you know, I mean, it's good it was it's good for our teachers and they didn't wanna retire. It was beneficial to us as well. So I'm glad that they had sunset it because that was some of the discussion before. They can't be decided just this way. No. No. No. I'm sorry. To Fruit County and Wilson County as well. And I'm concerned if retirees don't start following this, they will sunset. Yeah. Mutual Cruden. Okay. Thank you.
Thank you, mister Rosales. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Next. Next is policy 5.303, personal and professionally. This adds classified staff to be able to retain her personal days, up to five from year to year. Is that correct, Doctor. Shorcel? Yes. I was just gonna say move to I was waiting to go ahead and approve it. I don't know if anybody has questions. Any other questions or comments? Okay. Move to Thank you Doctor. Thank you to Thank you to Sharp. All in favor say aye.
Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Next. Policy 5.305, Family and Medical Leave. This adds clarifying language to the paid parental leave pursuant to changes in Saint Paul. Move to approve. Thank you, miss Darby. Second. Thank you, miss Darby. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passed. Okay. Next. Okay. Just like the previous several ones Policy 5.5 Discrimination and Harassment of Employees This adds the definition of antisemitism pursuant to a change
in state law. Any questions or comments? Hold on. Someone over here has of course I was in a situation. Yes, go ahead. So, substituting even though they're not they're not a substitute teacher but it's an EA that is substituting the class, would that be applied to them as well? We're not there yet. That's the next one. That's the next one. This is attendance. We're on the 5.5 discrimination and harassment of employees. Yes. It's nuts. Oh. Well I was a little jay. Okay. Okay. Do we have a motion? Yes. Yes.
Thank you very much. Thank you Mr. Creasy. All in favor say aye. Yeah. Any opposed? It passes. Next. Now we're on substitutes. 5.701 substitute teachers. This updates the number of days that a substitute teacher can teach without a license from twenty to thirty consecutive days. This is a good thing. I was gonna say this is probably very helpful. So my question is how will that apply to the EAs because there's gonna be instances where EAs are going to be used in the classroom, and it could be
more than thirty days. And that's just happened in the past before. Usually, we have a person through our EAs. They don't just do what Okay. Thank you, miss Sharp. Do we have a second? Second. Thank you, miss Darby. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Next. Policy 6.2, appendix. This adds language for release time courses pursuant to a change in state law and also clarified clarified language for makeup work for unexcused absences. This is a long policy, but the released courses are released time courses are on
page three. A couple of years ago, we had a a Doctor Sullivan? Yes. So if we're removing the five days, that is gonna come up.
So I'm gonna ask, are we giving them an indefinite amount of time? Are we leaving it up to teachers to decide? I would leave it up to teachers. Usually, especially as you get into your high school courses, they have it in their syllabus of how much they're gonna accept. I'm just gonna Yeah. I think part of the problem you're gonna have, especially in elementary, potentially middle school as well, is that if there isn't a set amount of days that parents are aware of, it's gonna become, I told your kid, my kid said you didn't, I
need to know what the policy is. Because I've I've run into the five day policy already with teachers who tried to do less Yep. Even though five days was in our policy. So I get the high school level if they're giving syllabi and all that kind of stuff. I'm concerned about elementary and middle not having a consistent We can definitely leave this what we were really looking at. That's the year. We do, of course, progress reports, and what you will find within the end of the semester and in the nine weeks is you usually have some type of makeup
day where students turn in most of their makeup work. And so our policy was saying you can turn it in within five days of returning, but we, in actuality, were allowed a lot more. And so that's what we were looking at by removing the five days. Was that in practice, we have we are allowing a lot more than five days. But that would be that would be people not following our policy. Correct? Yep. I mean, that's a personnel issue. It is, but it's also a parent issue when they email everyone up here or principals demanding their kid get the chance to create a work.
Yes. And we did I don't think this this is probably gonna make it worse, quite honestly, because then we don't an indefinite teacher by teacher by teacher. It's just concerning for me because I'm I mean, I'm Mr. Boyle, I'm gonna let Mr. Temple go first and you've got a thought too. Consider this is pursuant to, state law. What does the state law say about this? So the change on page one is not a change in state law, but the change that's pursuant to state law is on page six Okay.
For the release time, of course. Yeah. I mean, I am in concurrence here with miss Darby on, you know I actually have had educators ask me recently. I actually actually talked to someone about this recently, is whether or not there are timelines that are just stretched out through the entire year. I don't think that really helps in leading kids to the real world accountability that happens, after school is over. So I would like to see some kind number on here. Plus, I think having a number in here policy, if it's if there's some discretion as to, whether it can be moved up, I guess, is one thing.
But I would not want it to be just unlimited, I guess, is where I'm at. Yes, doctor Solis. That's not the reality of how schools are working right now. So if the board is willing to take those emails from parents that we're holding the line that your grades are going to be held to what they are, but that's not the reality of how it's done right now. A kid comes and they have missing work. We have a makeup day, and they submit work. Our goal for education is for the kids to learn, not for us to. Right? And I hear the comment a lot from teachers that that's not the real world.
The real world is if we don't turn in a project, we're still gonna have to work on it till we turn in a project. And so that's something I push back on educators a lot. The real world is you just get a zero and you don't get a get any credit. The real world is if you don't turn that assignment in in the workplace, you're still gonna deal with it. You're gonna probably lose your job in the process. I can't kick them out for this, for not doing their work. Right. Mhmm. But it's, and then you have teachers who just gets into a whole greater discussion, takes off points. He's dealing with compliance, not academic progress, and so that's a whole different grading conversation.
But I definitely hear what they're saying. Larry, anything you wanna add to that? Because I mean, Yeah. I think it should be within the grading period because what's the purpose of turning it after the grading period? You can't redo that grade that they got after. Yeah. You can't up till the semester high school up until the semester grade.
The only issue you're gonna have with doing the grading period is if someone is out at the tail end of that grading period and doesn't return until the new grading period starts. Then you're you are outside of the grading period. And so that's not it. That's that's not giving that student the same opportunity that someone who missed the second week of the grading period got. So That's where I went back to the teacher and told me I expect gonna be professionals and and to act as such. Yeah. But they all don't, but that is the largest majority.
So are are you there? We are doing that now, the teachers. I mean, I'm my brother's not my son had missed an assignment and he he turned in late. I mean, so it's already happening. So it's not like this is it's already happening. And the principal still has real comments to overload. Yeah. But not if it's in policy. And in policy right now, it says five days of returning, and we are that's not this was created it says in '22, but I'd say that portion's probably direction.
Yes, I'm telling you. Y'all can disagree with me if you want to, but I think when we're very lenient on returning in projects, it teaches them very bad habits and that's the most for failure in the future. When things are on the deadline and our car tax need to be renewed, we need to renew them or we get tickets. We're not renewing that tax. This maybe should be ten business days or or something like that, but, there's people
that will students that will take advantage of this. And it needs to be fair because the other children telling their children is going to be dismissed. My concern was, leaving it open ended as well. It has a it has, I think, a great potential to also put more stress on our teachers because you will have some students who are going to take full advantage of that and they're going to turn in a mess of stuff at the end of the quarter or at the end of the year.
I really think I haven't gotten any emails that I can recall from parents about this policy. If I did, I'm happy to answer them. That's not a problem for me because I think when it's in policy and it's clearly stated, it gives the principals, the teachers, the board, the directors something to go back to and say, this has been in policy. Your child returned to school on this day. All the makeup work was due by this day. If we have nothing, it really does create an opportunity for a lot of extra
work on teachers, for kids to wait till the dead end of the school year and turn in a whole mess of stuff. And they're not learning at that point anyway. Hill. I Not a deal. I'm gonna die and there's so much I'll know that it's reality teachers are still wanting to give them more than 5 days today. Can can you marry the two and instead of on starting on line 18, if an accident is unsecured, the work missed may be made up for credit within five
days of returning to school from said absence. Any extension past five days will be granted by the teacher for I like that. I like that a lot. Yeah. There could be a genuine way that the teacher's discretion and in that way because I know I know now if it's a habit or if it's a certain circumstance. Great job. Alright, Mark. You excellent. Thank you. Much. Wait. Come in, Carrie. Can you repeat that now? She's on. She doesn't. Doctor Martin, can you repeat that? I think that you just the the part that is, highlighted and you struck out,
you'll add that back in and keep it as was and add a sentence at the end of line 20 saying something to the any extension past five days will be granted, at the teacher's discretion. Okay. Could can can be extended. Same thing for lines 21 through 23, but I do believe that 80% of the great honor needs to stay. I don't know why that's in there. It it out. It needs to be removed because the kid is they've already been punished for OSS.
We don't need to have to correct it. Double jeopardy for that student, you know, they've made a poor decision, they've been disciplined, but their academics So it will just be the the same exact thing for our schools as you mentioned as well. Yeah. Mhmm. Any other questions or comments? Great job, doctor Martin. Yes. Thank you. Save Say today. So moved. Thank you, miss Sharp. Any second? Thank you, miss Darby. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes.
Next. Policy 6.303, questioning interrogations and searches. This updates language to reflect that student searches must be carried out when an administrator who has completed state required training pursuant to a change in state law. And you'll see there is quite a bit of strikeout, but it was just really cleaning it up and merging. Something I wanna point out is that school starts in two weeks, and we still
don't have the training yet from the state department. And so it's a and we don't start as early as some other districts, so it's a it's a concern right now. Cool. You know, it's two things. Miss Ridley, I think on line 20, we missed changing metal detectors in that line to weapon detection system. What page are you on, ma'am? Page three of four. The principals shall ensure that all I'm assuming because we changed it on 1617, it needs to be changed in '20 as well. Yes.
Thank you. And Doctor. Sullivan, line six on that same page talks about director of school shall develop procedures regarding the searching of students' lockers, vehicles, and containers. Have you do you have those procedures yet? And if not, do you know when? We'll have the procedures for metal detectors and who can search and all those different types of things that would fall within this. Yes, our principal leads are reviewing them. Well, there's probably not gonna be a hit right now. But it went to them, today. Okay. So we should have those Yeah. By next policy meeting at latest?
Okay. Thank you. Any other comments or questions? Come by, sir. Thanks. I just, I just got one question You know, over here. It's got, it's it's school resource. Searches a student based on having problems. Students, you know, notify the director. Correct? The director's criticism. The I know that, you know, the the SRO is such one thing with journalists. The SRO should not be in that service unless it's a criminal matter.
Mhmm. That's what this does. That's what the change of the account was. This over. Yeah. They have to have probable cause, you know, so that and the principal is the one who does the search first Right. Before the SRO. And the SRO, in case you've got a kid who can be a little nasty, and so they've been confronted. They they're gonna be searched by the the Administrator. Administrator. Can he say, hey, officer Joe, I'd like to meet Tony Blair. Absolutely. That's the way that we will. Okay. Yes. I was gonna say, I I believe you can bring them to the mercy of
you. Yes. Okay. Especially with a weapon, you wouldn't want a a one on one and we think there's a weapon in in the back of the group. I like this, because NRSRs are there also to build relationships with other students, and I think always kind of making them the bad guy is that just not is not good Arby.
All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Next. Policy 6.304 Student Discrimination, Harassment, Bullying, Cyberbullying, and Intimidation. This has the definition of antisemitism pursuant to a change in state. Move to approve. Second. Thank you, mister Caldwell. Thank you, mister Tidwell. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Next. Alright. Policy 6.312, use of wireless communication devices. We postponed this from our last meeting.
We knew that there was gonna be a change in state law, so we kind of put that out there for, thoughts and discussion. And then this is our proposed policy. It adds language for the use of personal communication devices for students pursuant to the changes they want. Okay. I'll take care of this. I'll just wait a bunch of weeks back. I second that. We'll get to the point where that actually is. I think that's what this does. It's pretty much It's taken advance it for the day. It's taken, just to kind of what the policy says is follow the state law
and does go over the school devices. Some districts are doing differently. Some are allowed during lunch. Our proposed language is not allowed during lunch or class change. They do have to have access to them in case of an emergency, and so on students, proposal, you'd see they have five different ways that they can have access on page three. But for our purposes, we're gonna give a message to parents in June about this as well that during the school day, they should not have been, whatsoever. The only thing that I would think about a caveat would be, is during special
events, Like, if you have homecoming parade, No problem. Pep rallies, those different types of things. You know, that's part of the experience for our kids. They're gonna wanna take a picture or something during that time. I'd hate for 1,800 kids to get in trouble for having their phone out or For us, it would be if we were under a tornado watch, evacuating the building. Evacuating the building. Yes. I would be, but an emergency to a parent's pay. Eleventh grader, get me being determined to be something else. There is no definition in this.
Would you comment on I forgot my stuff. Is that an emergency? Comfortable. How how how should we give I don't think services is the way they run. This was specifically out of the state. But we don't mention speaking. Okay. Leave it up to you to interpret emergency. Okay. We're not gonna have they don't have to be a true emergency because realistically, during an emergency, we don't want them on their phones anyways. I would agree to that because I can see if we try to tighten it
up, they'll be some one of our 52,000 children that will figure out a way around it. Who's gonna be a lawyer? Oh, yeah. Do you get any of I I left my project at home. I left my paper on the dining room table. None of us. Mama needs to bring it to me. How did we ever make it for that? I don't know. Miss Maxwell? Yes. Uh-huh. Alright. So this this wall essentially does span the cell phone between school hours. They can have it on and they just can't have it out. Not here yet. Right. Does it mention that having it turned off there?
I think the phone goes all day. Turned out and, so my response would be we wouldn't check to make sure that we're off. If it goes off then it would be followed or disciplined procedures because I feel like when we start checking whether or not they're off, I think that's gonna take a whole lot of time. But the expectation is that they're silent or where they're not out. And if the teacher sees it, it'll be the same as it go on. That's fair. I like that. The language says right now that are stored and not in use but not turned off because again the emergency I don't know if you can call silent.
Yeah. Any other questions or comments? But if it goes off during class, be disciplined. Yeah. I was about to say the bathroom but I've got a bathroom. I gotta go to the bathroom. I know the question I wanted to ask related to this. Now and and this may take care of my emergency time because dentist appointment gets changed or something like that. Every student has an email of yours. Right? And every parent should know their So if there is a change in maybe pickup,
your dad's getting you instead of me getting you, call the front office. Still call the front office. Yep. We'd still do it to an office. We'd still do it the old fashioned way. We still couldn't press that. +1 01. That alleviates a lot of them Mhmm. In my in my view. It's a computer. Right. That's what I'm saying. So we got compute they have access to computers and they have an email address so that the parent can be in communication with them. That'll work. Sounds good. Okay. Thank you. I got I got another question on you. Yes, mister Tibbals. Something that was brought up and, to mention this to doctor Sullivan as well.
They're they can only have access when they're on our Internet, they can only have access to certain websites. But I've heard that a lot of students are using VPNs. Do we need to to get around that requirement? I'm not smarter than than myself. So do we need to put anything here about VPNs and their usage? I know that Williamson County did that, so I'm not sure if that's something that we wanna consider as well. I'm not against that. I don't know how we would ever catch them. Yeah. That's true. But I look teacher said you'd have them out for some kind of educational use
and then my teacher was walking around and she sees this dude over here is on YouTube. Clearly not using it for the educational purposes that it was set out to support, but the way we can get around that is by using the VPN. So if you just have the language in there, just keeps it clean policy, I can make suggestions for board meetings about it. And I'll I'll send have doctor doctor Solon send the Williams County policy out about that. Yeah. Okay. And, let's just make a motion. Miss Sharp, I mean, in a second. Second. Oh, thank you, miss Schiphol. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Next. Next is policy 6.4031.
This is the headlines. This was postponed from our meeting on April 29. I suggest we leave it as is. I'll take that. Motion moved to approve. Thank you, miss Short. And second? Second. Thank you, mister Boss. Wait. I have questions. What were these changes? I know we have We're not making any changes. We're just keeping the way it is. Mhmm. I thought the concern was that they were still allowed to be in the classroom, so it's not a concern. Other change makes it even more lenient. I'm sorry? The proposed changes made it even more lenient, and I don't think any of us
weren't necessarily comfortable with that, even though that is what part of the state law implies. I like our policy being a little bit more cumbersome. So did I have a second? Thank you Mr. Creasy. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Next. Policy 6.411, Student Wellness. This adds language to increase the amount of physical activity for activity for elementary students. This is pursuant to a change in state law. Move for political. Second, I think the job is to go on hold.
I think this is a good thing. I do think we need to just be cognizant that there is a lot of concern amongst elementary educators, because they feel like their livelihood is tied to their test scores. And if it's that many minutes at the end of the school year, you're taking twenty or thirty instructional days away. So we we hear that concern. I hate that our teachers have been pressured by the system into feeling that way. Like, that's the unfortunate part because if we want our kids to have physical activity, have fun, school should be fun, And I hate that over the last couple decades
that teachers are more worried about that necessarily, myself included, I'm worried about. Well, there's a small chance that we will take some of that that will be intent that it's been on. So that's kind of the Yep. So much. Yes. I'm sorry. Has anyone sat down that we can do for that? I'm I'm there's some people that have a good idea of how legislative or professional law, and how little really freed up a teacher's task for instructional law because we're not gonna wait until we get away from that, our score can't control. I 100% agree.
When we looked at the time, so the state has an RTI manual that dictates how much time should be for instruction for each. There's not enough time already, and this just you add in all the requirements for instruction, requirement for physical activity, the requirement for lunch, the requirement for related arts. You need an eight or nine hour school day for what is already legislated to happen. So here's that. I I don't wanna go off the subject long, but I wanna ask you a specific question here. Is that the state board of education general is not advocating no.
I'm saying that, we know our state legislators will pass these policies, these laws, these everything. But there's a disconnect between the class run teacher and our state legislator, and unless they have their good friend that's in the education department. So should it be the state board of education or the education department and the secretary of education should be validating all of this. I just wanna know who I need to work on. That's what I wanna know.
I'm I'm I'm not afraid that that that seems that it's gonna come out long. Yeah. I'm not afraid to have a discussion with any. I just don't know who it should be gonna add to the complaint. So it's funny how this would really work. I don't believe the department. That's my question. I don't feel like the department's an advocate in this type of situation. They step back, don't they? Yes. Yes. That's what I'm feeling. In their defense, they are if you look at the states, and TCA, what the requirement is of the, commissioner of education, it is to be a liaison to the
general assembly. So past a decade or so where it was focused on instruction, was great, but that probably wasn't following what the requirement was at TCA and the Fisher Education. Okay. And I think that there was there was a group of parents Yes. That really really put this. And then there are some studies about more physical exercise, probably less behavioral problems we can help out. But I I think that we do need to look at sit down with the more what we chart our teachers to do.
That's That's that's what I'm just making. Yeah. I make this the kids' time. We'll take it through. We'll take it through. That's the problem. Yeah. I just can't even instruct it. The only other part I would bring up is that the other part of this law says that you cannot use physical activity, removal of that for discipline and and punishment. And so we can be creative in that. We can say, you know, you we can't take physical activity, but you have missing assignments. You need to go walk to the tree and back for ten minutes. And so that's your physical activity, track, but you're not going to play with your friends. Play with your friends.
We'd be creative with that. Absolutely. Any other comments or questions? Okay. I'll Approve to Motion to approve. Thank you, mister Dallas. Do I have a second? I second. I moved, Mr. Tidwell. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you. Just a few more y'all. We'll give them a minute. A few more. Hang in there. Policy 6.6. This is student records. It adds language requiring student records to be transferred within five business days. This is pursuant to a change in state law. So if one district is requesting from another, we have five days to send those
out. So moved. Is there any penalty for those? No. No. So the district that I'm thinking of, we still won't come in five days, but that's such a good thing. Thank you, mister Tidwell. I'd be afraid if you sent someone, I'd be afraid to send a kid back. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Next. We are almost home free. Policy 6.709, student fees and fines. This has, fines as assessed by the TWSAA for a fan who has been ejected
from campus for unsportsmanlike conduct. So we have this situation this year to where a student was fined. School was fined multiple times. So if a student is the reason that they are getting fined, then we're requesting the student needs to pay the fine, not the school. Oh, that's yes. Because right right now our schools are the ones getting fined. Parents are different but for individual students, like, you've been warned and you still come back and when the officials have to when the officials know who you are as a high school student across multiple sports. Tell me and are these, athletes or these No.
Just we can ban them also. They were. Okay. Anyway, gotcha. Okay. Okay. So moved. Thank you, miss Sharp. Any a second? Second. Thank you, miss Sharp. Doctor. Guillen? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Last one, Mrs. Sneedley. Last but not least, this is our only new proposed policy and it's policy 1.1021 which is student board member. It adds language authorizing a student board member pursuant to a change in state law. So we don't have to have a student board member, but we do have to
have a policy. And you see there are a few blanks for this committee to fill in. Can I make a suggestion? Absolutely. For the insert time frame if the board ever wanted to add one, September 1. And then the end would be June 1. And then selection, I think we need to put to be determined. What next? Well, to be determined. Yeah. I don't think we can afford to do that. I don't think we'll we'll need to interest on the board. We don't need to go to any interest, but this way we are following what the losses we have in the house. Missus Maxwell? Yes.
I'd like to make a motion that we do not have a student board member. We can add the language, but I know we have the policy so we'll add the language that doctor Sol suggested here, but we do not have one. I second. Thank you, mister Vaughn. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Good. Thank you. That would do it. Before before we conclude I just wanna make sure which policy, do the board members wanna see on Thursday? I know transportation for sure. Any other ones that you think we need to? Phones.
Cell phones? We okay with cell phones. That's the the board can approve it, then we can start messaging. Yep. That's all. Miss Monica? Yes. I mean, there was there were several of them that were just straight pursuant to state law, so we could do a large portion of those. I could think that. And, Israel one or or whatnot, we could do those as well. I mean, those that we didn't even have any discussion on, I don't see why we wouldn't just include those. The problem is the turnaround for me. Oh, for you. Alright. Tell you what This is a selfish reason. I have some other things going on.
Which ones do we need to get started? Which are absolutely required? Transportation. Transportation. And cell phone. And cell phones. Cell phones. Okay. Alright. Okay. But the cell phone was for the VPN. Correct? Yeah. You can We can discuss that again. I'll give it to doctor Sullivan. He'll get it out here. Got it. So we don't have to have that removed. Cell phones. We've asked here that the board has an approved cell phone policy to change. Okay. So we need the board to approve the official cell phones. There's no work here. That's okay. Schools some you know, most of the schools are waiting to put something in their school handbooks.
Okay. Is that it? Okay. Thank you. Where are Jen?