here. Councilman Okamando. Unfortunately, Councilman Akamando is unable to be here this evening. Councilwoman Sanchez here. Councilwoman Maser is also unable to be here this evening due to illness, but we'll be participating by phone.
Yes, correct. Council President Garrett here. Uh please rise for a salute to the flag and remain standing as we remember the lives lost on September 11th, 2001. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Adequate notice of this meeting has been sent to all council members and to all legal newspapers in accordance with the provisions of the open public meeting
act chapter 231 public law 1975. The public is hereby advised that any statements made during the meeting of the township council of the township of Southwork may not be privileged or protected and that persons or entities who take issue with such comments or are
offended by say and have in the past sought legal redress through the courts. Any member of the public who addresses the council speaks for themselves and not for the council. Motion to open a meeting to the public. Motion second. All in favor? Hi, the meeting is open to
the public. Please step up to the podium, state your name and address for the record. Good evening everyone. Thomas Van Winkkel, 128 Lincoln Avenue, Saddlebrook. Um, just want to bring you up to date on on the mayor's youth group and bring everybody who's watching up to date on the mayor's youth group as well.
Um, to begin the mayor, I want to thank the mayor's youth group members who came out and helped out at the South Brook Township picnic back in August. um they did a tremendous job helping to serve the food and drinks and beverages and whatever else any of the seniors, anybody else in attendance needed from
the mayor's youth group. And I was very impressed with how smooth everything went with the food, everything with the catering company we brought in um to serve the food, all the tents we had. Um, and they were and I want to thank them for being so accommodating to the
mayor's youth group and allowing us to tend to basically go and keep getting food and bringing it to everybody in attendance and just made everything so efficient. So, I hope and again, I know everybody enjoyed the picnic and I want to thank you all for making that possible. Looking ahead, we now that
we're in a new school year, hopefully everybody has had a good start to the new school year. We're looking as always for new members for the mayor's youth group. Um on our website sbnyg.weebly.com um we have our online registration form for the mayor's youth group up for
anybody who wants to sign up. Um you could also reach out to Mayor White Secretary Christine Januario here at town hall. Um we're open to any any Saddleberg youth in grades 4 through 12 to join the mayor's youth group. It's a great opportunity for community service
and you know and just to be involved in our town and be involved in our community. The next thing we're looking to do is to help out with the uh fishing derby which was rescheduled from June which is now going to be on Saturday September the 27th and hopefully in the future we'll schedule our next meeting
hopefully sometime in October. Thank you everyone. Thank you Thomas. on the water rates every year. Name and name and address, please, for the record. But that's not legally required. Name and address. No, you have to get It's not in Open Public Meetings Act.
It's not an ordinance. It's not an amendment. It's not in the Constitution. It's not a requirement. I could be homeless here. I could be from another country. It's a public meeting. It's not a requirement. It's a requirement to get the town. You don't have to give the street address. Yes, it is. That's the law.
Okay. State your name and the town you're from. What law is that from? The Open Public Meetings Act. The order that's not openings act doesn't address. What a citizen has to say when it comes to microphone. What it says is that a citizen has a right to be present
during a public meeting. In fact, the open public meeting act doesn't even say that you should have questions that have to be answered, right? right to be president, right? Nothing about my address. I live on 8th Street anyway. So, every year we're going to raise the water rates $250,000 a year. So, it's 250k last
year, 250k this year. It's going to be 250k every year. So, we're going to have a three or4 million water account in seven or eight years. The first district paving uh I guess we're not going to pave in fall and winter. So that legal obligation by PSENG when they do a
certain district to be paid the nine and 10 months, where's the oversight and accountability on that? Because it's less than 12 months. I spoke to two foremen and two employees. They have nine and 10 months to complete the whole district. So that's uh I guess it's not going to get done. Maybe it'll get done
in 18 months, 24 months. Um and any update on 9395 Market Street, the four stories, 60 units. You guys said you're moving forward with the applicant. Then you said you're negotiating with three or four people. Now you said you're back with the same applicant and you're trying to do some negotiation.
Uh and in terms of the uh affordable housing number, that's 279 units. What's the negotiated number down to? 200, 150, 100. I mean, we have 60 units on Roso Lane, 60 units on Market Street, 279.
That's 399 units already. Uh, and when we have all nine marijuana facilities up and running, what's going to be the tax decrease per household in town? Uh, let's say they all do a quarter million a year times nine facilities. That's going to save a homeowner $30, $40, $50
a year. Uh, I think you guys have done that math. So, I'd like that number. Um, last but not least, uh, whenever there's a working session and 50 or 100 people show up, if there's a hundred people today, are you guys always going to summon four or five police officers to
stand in the back? Do you guys not want people to attend work sessions, council meetings? Do you not want nobody here at all so you guys could pass ordinances, resolutions, budgets that are middle of the year that should have been passed nine months ago? Um uh and any uh
comment at all about the several video edits that were made in the last few months? Um because there was at least two of them and that's uh was pretty shocking to see. I don't think we ever had multiple video edits in a council meeting in the 20 30 years that they've
been recorded. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else wish to address the council? Hi, Sylvia Solderelli, 236 Land A. I would just like some clarification on the um assessment fee, whatever you want
to call it, on the water bills. Uh I know you're going to say we vote, you voted on it, nobody was here, whatever. I would just like to know, is that going to be every quarter? Is it just once? And what is it for? That's it. Thank you. Thank you.
Anyone else wishing to address the council? Seeing no one else, may I have a motion to close the meeting to the public? Second. All in favor? I Okay, we had some questions from the public. Um, we had a couple residents uh
with the water bill. Mayor, would you like to speak about the water bill and the service fee? Yes. Um, I'm going to read what I what I wrote down. Several people have
asked about the the water and the service fee um and I have responded to them and uh basically um you know as far as the ordinance goes we weren't hiding anything
exactly the way every ordinance goes. We established the rates back in May. It was an ordinance adopted by law. All ordinances must be published in the newspaper. Additionally, the ordinances uh the ordinance was available on our
town website and social media pages. U so it wasn't hidden. We didn't receive any questions about it. All ordinances are also included on meeting minutes agenda and shared through our website
and our social media platforms. Um adoption of ordinance mandates two public meetings with the second meeting requiring a public hearing. Um May June so people weren't away on vacation.
I I believe I believe some of the people in this room were here didn't question it. So uh the hearing second hearing allows public comment. No one commented. Furthermore, the minutes from the meeting accurately reflect all council actions. Our public meetings can be
viewed on public access cable channel and on YouTube. Mayor, do you have your microphone on? Yes, it's on. I think I'm holding back. Okay, you can't hear me. It must be needs to be turned up. I'm not sure.
Rob was there it is. There it is. Okay. It was advertised. It was done according to law. Um, the only thing that I can say
now it's too loud. The only thing that I can say is that and and people did complain that they would have liked a notice to go out to be mailed out or maybe with the water bill. Um, you know, for a little bit more
transparency so people would have known what it was all about. Um, I'll give you that. You know what? That I I can agree that that might have it might have been more helpful. It might have been more transparent. It wasn't done for that reason. I wish now maybe we would have
done that, but I I know what would have happened if we did that. We still would have got calls. Okay. It would have been better because at least we could say, "Hey, we we sent it out. We gave notice. you know, other than what we had to do legally by ordinance and and all the
things I stated, but uh that wasn't done. So, we have to move on from that. So, that's my only regret as far as that goes. But as far as what the the fee is essential, you know, the township chief financial officer informed us that our
water utility was starting to operate at a deficit and this was last year. It started last year uh during the CO 19 pandemic and in the years following that the town absorbed increased water cost instead of passing
them on to residents. However, this approach is no longer sustainable and that was the mistake if you want to know that was the mistake because we contrary to what some might believe we don't like to raise rates. It doesn't it doesn't help us but it helps sustain the town.
You know, we don't want to raise taxes. We don't want to raise water rates, but it h we have to do it. The money is not being used frivolously, you know. I mean, it really is. I mean, it's it's needed to to run the town and
to and to run the utility. Now, Mrs. Aarelli mentioned about, you know, what what it was for, you know, what that service fee is used for. uh the cost of water main repairs and replacement removal of lead lines which we're required to do maintenance state
required testing that we have to do we're required to do that that that comes out of that and all other operational expenses so we feel these measures will contribute to improving the water quality the water system and the overall infrastructure we do have our own I
don't know if any of you know but we do have our own water utility so we purchased water from Violia. But as far as the system, the water system, the pipes, we're responsible for that. We own that. So, if there's a water main break, we have to fix it. If it's a bad
break that our DPW is incapable of of fixing, and they do a great job. They really they do most of them, but sometimes you get a major one or a big problem, and we need to call all that call out a contractor that's uh that does that for a living. So, you know,
and it adds up there. There's a lot a lot of that. And as far as the testing, you know, we have monthly we have the test. There's fees involved. So, and it's also important to note that most other municipalities do have some
kind of some kind of fee, some kind of service fee. Um, and as far as our water rate and what what the what the residents pay, if you look around, and I know Pete, you know, he might have some numbers and Pete
wants to chime in in a minute, but uh, you know, our our what you pay for water is is no no more and is probably less in most cases less. Some towns like Loi, they have they also have a sewer fee. We
don't have that fee. So, you know, we're not trying, believe me, we're not trying to to go out of our way to slam the public and and it I I know to somebody that's struggling, it's difficult. It it is it's very difficult and and uh and we we keep that in mind. We we try to do
our best. So, that's that's the the response on the water. I don't know if anybody else Pete, you want to mention some wants I Your part question is about quarterly. Is it Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, I wrote that down,
too. It's a quarterly fee. It's a quarterly fee and and it depends on the size of your water meter. So, if you have I believe if it's a 3/4 inch water meter, it's $20. One inch is is uh $25. And uh it goes up like the bigger
businesses that have larger meters with larger uh pipes. It goes up accordingly. Mayor, just some of the rates that we surveyed some of our surrounding towns that have a water system like us. Uh, as
you mentioned, Loi charges a sewer fee which is about half of the water bill. Uh Garfield charges u quarterly fees um based on meter size and whether they're one family, two family, three family,
four family, commercial, church school, parochial schools and library and municipal building. Uh, Fairone charges $25 a quarter and um, Wellington charges
a fee, but their cost per cubic feet is substantially higher than ours. So, basically there's fees with the surrounding communities. I also want to mention too that uh, the town and the schools don't pay for
water. They don't. And we we absorb that. Just so you know, the schools I I think we got Mr. De Julia here. He's a he's there is one meter. There's one meter at Washington School and that was put in years ago. I don't know if you recall
when Maywood was using Washington School for a little while. So, we put the at the time, I believe it was Mayor San Leia, I believe. Yes. And they put in a meter, but that's the only school that has a meter. But we pay for that because there's a big huge
meter somewhere before before the water comes into town that you know the town pays for it. So I just wanted to bring that up. I mean there there's been there's been thought and there's been we've been approached by Violia to
to buy our water system and uh as as Chief Cougler former chief I know him as Chief Cougler you know can I know his father was a councilman was mayor two term mayor here years ago I I I know
that your your father always said don't sell it don't sell it because there's been you We could we could probably sell it for a few million dollars, but I think in the end we're better off, you know, keeping our own. So,
we just got to get through this. I do believe now there's not going to be any more increases. I think this should sustain us. That's what our CFO is saying. Okay. Thank you, mayor. Another question that was asked was about the road paving in district one.
Uh do you know uh public service had initially said they were going to do some paving in the fall and some in the spring. There is some paving where we want them to put off because we want to do our own um work on those streets, the tree streets
for example. Um but that schedule has not been finalized by PSEG yet, but I'll follow up with them. Okay. Thank you. Um, a question was asked about the old um municipal building um and the affordable housing
obligation for for that building. No, no, just in general affordable housing. Well, the affordable housing uh litigation at this point we are waiting for uh the court to assign a mediator to see if there can be a resolution reached
between the town uh the township and uh the challenge to uh the assessment that has been made as to the number of affordable housing units that's supposed to take place I believe within the next 60 days. So I think someone will be assigned in the very near future and uh
we'll see if that number can finally be finalized and the township can secure its fourth round certification. Uh again we are contesting the uh number of units and uh I think we're confident that the number will be reduced
somewhat. there still will be an obligation but maybe not quite the number that uh has been initially uh assigned to the uh township. With respect to Market Street, uh quite frankly, I don't understand why there's
so much misinformation that's being spread when everything with respect to that project has been at a public meeting, teleph. So, just to clear up some misstatements that were made here this evening, uh,
yes, at one time developers had approached the township about projects that exceeded 100 units. The governing body told them, don't even do a presentation because there was no interest in a project with that much
density. uh another developer actually appeared here uh with a 60-unit project and retail space, but the residents of Harrison Street, and I'm generalizing, but there seemed to be a consensus that they would
prefer no retail. So, the township told the developer that uh they're not interested in any uh retail uh space in the development. And there were other concerns raised by Harrington Street with respect to height, setback, access.
The most recent presentation addressed most of those concerns. The height is not four stories because the most recent developer who appeared is having a significant part of the
parking all underground. If the parking was above ground, it would probably be a fourstory building, but with parking underground, it's more a two to two and a half story building. That and also, and I know some of the people were
probably here at that meeting, you heard the presentation about the roof being reduced. So, the height uh in light of the concerns from the Harrison Street residents has been uh reduced. I believe it's in the 35 foot range, but don't hold me to the exact number. I don't
have it in front of me, but it's certainly less than what was being uh suggested by other developers of the project. Significantly less in some cases. Uh access will only be from Market Street. That was another concern of the
Harrison Avenue residents. They did not they didn't like the idea that cars would be coming in and out of the uh facility and using Market Street, I mean using Harrison Avenue. There is no ingress or egress from the site other
than from Market Street. Uh as to uh landscaping, there would be significant landscaping in the rear of the building to serve as a buffer between the rear of the building and the Harrison uh residence. The plans have not been
finalized because at the most recent presentation, the Harrison Avenue residents did raise some other concerns which are being looked into by the developer to see what, if anything else, can be done with respect to their proposal.
The next step for the township is to ascertain what the fair market value of the property is. And to get that determination, we need input from our tax assessor uh from our uh engineer and probably
from our uh appraisal company expert as well. And those uh numbers are being worked on and they will be given to us. At that point in time, there will be uh a negotiation uh with the developer and if further revisions are being made to the project,
he will come back and present to the governing body uh what those revisions are. Uh again, all this information has been made public. So, for statements to be made contrary to what I just stated actually is just an attempt to uh
mislead the public because there's no other way to explain why information that has been memorialized at a meeting and presented at a meeting would be distorted uh in repeating it. Okay. Thank you, John. Appreciate it. In
regards to the cannabis, we have three resolutions for retail, three resolutions for manufacturing, three resolutions for cultivation. Um, due to increased competition, I don't think the market is what people
thought the market was going to be. Uh, correct me if I'm wrong. Did we take any of that into account with our budget in regards to what we were going to receive? No. And then also you uh per state financial laws, you can't anticipate any
of that money because there was it's new revenue. So we only can anticipate what we received prior year. So with that being unknown, it's it's it's almost impossible to tell. Plus the fact that we only have of all those licenses, only one currently operating at this time.
Correct. Um, and I think when what people thought was when that law became law, when they when they passed that law, everybody thought it was going to be a a gold mine, it was like going out and, you know, mining gold and everybody thought they were going to become
millionaires and everything. I think now they're seeing with shops in Elwood Park, Loi, Hackinack, Rochelle Park, and if you drive past and you see how many cars are there, there's very few cars there.
And that's because sales aren't very good. So what the other resolution holders are going to do, we reached out to them. I'm not sure if we got anything back from them. But as far as I'm concerned with the amount of competition that's out there, maybe
manufacturing, maybe cultivation, there'll be more money. But if people feel like they're not going to make money, they're not going to open the front door in my opinion. So, we're not really anticipating any of that money coming in, thank goodness. Um, so it's
been very, very slow on that front what's going to happen three, four, five months from now. We have to reach out and see. I know the other ones that have the retail would like to open up, but I'm telling myself that if they feel like they're not going to make money,
they're not going to open the door. You know, it's not cheap to do that. And I learned a lot about what happens when they buy the product and then they retail and sell it. They have to pay tax on the whole amount. They can't write off salaries and insurance and all that
like a normal business. So they're paying a tremendous amount in taxes. It's really a difficult business to navigate unless you really know that business. So, I'm really I your guess is as good as mine, but I don't foresee
anything happening in the near future with that to be honest with you. Um, in regards to the video editing, Bob, could you talk about that? I mean, I don't know about anything video that was edited. I I only know I only know about the one incident and
it really wasn't editing. It wasn't edited what had happened. and and our videographer is here, Raphael from Enlosa. What had happened was I believe it was the the budget adoption meeting in July.
I'm not sure I'm not sure which meeting it was, but it was one of the recent ones. I believe that was it. Um, and what happens is Raphael uploads those the video like tonight's video
onto YouTube and then he takes from YouTube and puts it on the town television. Okay. And there's a computer that that does that. So when he uploaded it, it uploaded a
certain amount and then it just ended. So where I don't know how long the meeting was but if it was the meeting was an hour um it it only only about and probably Sylvia will know better better than me because
yeah so about six minutes into it it just stopped. So I informed when I found that out. I didn't know that because when I watch if you watched it on YouTube the you the whole thing was there. It just didn't
upload right to the to the TV station. So I told Raphael that and he did he had to do it over again and now it's it's fine. So um All right. But yeah, as far as that goes, um I just want to Well, I remember
now with all this in mind, I started, you know, I had asked Raphael because, you know, I I don't really watch the TV that much. I'll be honest, I I don't um but I I had some somebody had mentioned to me that
they hadn't seen the board ad meetings on there either. So, you know, I I was I was wondering what happened with it and I asked Raphael and apparently we haven't been getting the meetings from the board ahead from the whoever I
guess there was a person that was that was um giving them or or sending them to Raphael, but and there's a new person or whatever, but he Okay, but you know, he he's he's not getting them. And you know
what? And I'm not blaming the board head, believe me. But I'd like to, you know, Sylvie, since you're here, and I was going to I was going to contact Tony about it, too. Uh, superintendent to, you know, it's something that's it's a good thing. But you yours are on YouTube as well. So,
but that was we weren't trying to hide them or or do anything like that. So, what's that? Ours are streamed live. Yeah. Well, ours are too now. that that's been recent a recent development within the last six months to a year.
So, um, the other thing I I want to mention, uh, about the four or five police officers, I I believe that that was the last meeting and it was the meeting
where the developer did his presentation and I know that the police officers were concerned and interested about the parking. So, I think some of them came on their own. the chief came. So I
wanted, you know, I had asked and I've also told Chief Sato when he became chief, I I always want a command level person here because a lot of times residents have questions and they're police related and I don't always have
the answer. You know, we have a chief of police does a great job. We have a great police department and uh you know a great command staff and and and and they're more capable of answering than I am. So I I like them to be here tonight. We have uh Captain Haberman here and uh
we're glad we have them here. I I I don't I don't know of, you know, we're not trying to flood, you know, the meetings with police officers to uh you know, for any other reason, but you know, to have somebody here um we always
usually have a special, but we don't need a special if we have a commander. I mean, perhaps m maybe maybe we can ask the chief to to have one of the one of the captains or himself come in a suit. Would would that maybe make people feel
better? I don't know. Well, mayor, not for anything, but I don't think having the police here hindered anyone from speaking. I certainly No, we had plenty of speakers. That was funny. Yeah, that's true, too. So, yeah. But, okay. Thank you, Mayor. I think that I think we covered it.
I think we covered everything everything on my list. Appreciate it. Thank you everyone. Um, mayor, your comments this evening. I first have a proclamation uh that I want to read. This is uh this month is uh well
partially from September 15th to um October 15th is is National Hispanic and Latino Heritage Month. So whereas the Hispanic and Latino Heritage Month celebrates and highlights the countless achievements in the Hispanic and Latino
community, the observation began in 1968 and was enacted into federal law on August 17th, 1988. Hispanics have enhanced and shaped our national character with old traditions that reflect the multithnic and multicultural
customs of their community. So now therefore be it resolved that I, Robert D. White, the mayor of the township of Saddleberrook, New Jersey, do hereby proclaim September 15th through October 15, 20, 2025 as National Hispanic Latino
Heritage Month. I encourage our community to join us in celebrating the great contributions Hispanic and Latino Americans have made in our township, state, and nation. Um, Saddlebrook is uh mirrors the the
county. The county numbers are just about 25% Hispanic now and Saddlebrook is a little under that. Uh, so and we've had an increase. We were about five years ago, we're about 18%. So, so the budget uh we talked about the
water fee. Uh the final tax uh taxes will be coming out at the end of the month. There's a I have a letter that I wrote in there um regarding the taxes and it should be mailed out again at the end of September. So please read the letter uh with it has important
information and a bit a reminder the anchor senior freeze and state New Jersey tax relief programs the application must be filed with the state of New Jersey by October 31st. Um, if you don't know about it, go on go
on nj.gov and look, it's it's it's worthwhile. I I know myself. Um, I told my son about it last year. He didn't know a thing about it and he went and he uh for the u the anchor and he ended up getting I think
$1,000 back. So, it it's definitely worthwhile. And certainly the senior freeze, please. I I can't tell you how many how valuable that is and how many seniors for some reason don't you know they don't know about it. Um and and it really it really helps.
Um ordinances and and resolutions. We have several ordinances on tonight uh for second reading. Um I'm going to mention them. We have uh an ordinance to fix the salary and wages of employees. That's a second reading. We also have a second
reading on a special emergency appropriation of $30,000 for the preparation of storm water system mapping which is required by the state. Second reading also on uh water manes and and related improvements
uh in the area Maple Spruce Large and Pine Avenue uh which is uh appropriating $360,000 to pay for that. um that we've been doing for a while now uh between
Midland and uh and and Fairorn Parkway. Uh there's a problem where we have to loop in the water and uh we've been doing it as we've been paving the roads. We're also going to be paving those streets as well. So, we want to do that before we pave the streets. Uh there's a
second reading on an ordinance uh undertaking various park and recreation improvements. Um, we got a lot of state and uh county grants on this. There's there's four different things that we're doing. Uh, Mayill Street, we're doing
the uh tennis courts, re re uh surfacing the tennis courts and relining them. And we're also going to remove one of the tennis courts and make two pickle ball courts out of it. Um, we're also doing uh Kern Street Park. We're going to put in a new uh playground which is in dire
need. Hasn't been done in 25 years. Fifth Street Park. We're going to make a little parking area and also uh a basketball court there. Uh a full size basketball court. Uh and then lastly,
and this is uh we've been talking about this for a while, we got and we got recently got quite a bit of uh money, $575,000 from the state uh to do a splash park at uh Veterans Field. We're going to be demolishing the house that's there uh
which isn't really useful anymore and uh we're going to be putting it there. Also lastly, a bond ordinance uh for improvements and major repairs to fire engine and acquisition of uh new additional replacement equipment,
machinery, uh new communication, uh IT equipment, signal systems equipment, and some vehicles uh automobiles. So those are the the ordinances that we have on tonight.
Uh so in August we had a lot of events. We had the town picnic that Thomas mentioned it. Saturday, August 23rd, the mayor's walk. It was in the morning. Uh we had a beautiful day. Uh we we we went with a this year we we went with a
vendor to do the food instead of the food trucks and it really worked out very well. So, it was a successful picnic and I wanna I want to thank all of our our sponsors. There's a sign back there that lists all of them. Thank you
very much for uh for those donations. It really helps us uh to raise some of the cost of the picnic. Um and it is free to all residents. Um I want to also thank the police, fire, ambulance, DPW, recreation
department, Andy and Diane. Andy uh Gallo and Diane Bonner. Uh certainly Shannon Nakamundo and Christine January of our projects and activities committee. Um so it was it was all in all it was a very very nice day. I want
to mention the high school field dedication uh with the Saddle Brook there was also Saddle Brook High School uh team had their first home night game. Uh that was September 5th. It was a very very nice evening. I want to commend the school district. They they did a
fabulous job on on that field. It looks beautiful and uh long time coming, the uh the kids and and the the families deserve that. And all the other work being done too as well is it seems to be going very very very well and it it's
all needed. Um 911 ceremony was Thursday, September 11th. I want to thank all our first responders for attending. Father Bruce from St. Phillips gave prayers. Thank him. Lydia Diaz sang God Bless America.
Frank Ortega in the middle school high school band were here and they uh did some uh some some songs. Uh we had Assemblywoman Lisa Swain and Congresswoman Nelly Poe were here. Thank you for attending.
Um on se Saturday, September 6, we had a sensory friendly car show that was done uh in coordination with the Saddle Brook Angels, Legacy Empowerment, and the Community Partnership Committee. I want to thank the organizers uh the Manoscalo
family and Legacy Empowerment for uh for organizing it. We got some upcoming events, quite a few. Um, this Sunday we have the senior pancake breakfast at 9:00 a.m. at the senior center. Um, on
Saturday, September 27th, we have the mayor's fishing contest at the Auto Pale Park from 9 to 12. That was uh we usually hold that in uh in June, but uh it was rained out, so we wanted to have
it in September. Um, we wanted to make sure that we had it this year. The kids really enjoy it. Sunday, September 28th is the Unico Street Fair uh Market Street from Westminster to Mayill from 10:00 a.m. to 4 pm. That's always a nice event. Uh Unico does a great job with
that. Saturday, uh October 4th is a shredding event here at the municipal complex. Uh 9 to 1. Uh Sunday, uh October 5th, Mount Virgin car show. It was postponed due to weather, but it's going to be at the municipal complex
here on on Sunday, October 10 October 5th uh from 9:00 am to 2 p.m. Uh October 5th to October 11th is fire prevention week. Please support our volunteers during their annual calendar
drive. Uh that's when they usually do it. On Monday, October 13th is Columbus Day. The DBW and municipal offices will be closed. Um, section one pickup, which is the north end, will be Friday, October 17th. Tuesday, October 14th, is
the last day to register to vote for the November general election. Uh, the clerk's office, Pete, will be open till 9:00 p.m. for voter registration. Also, that night, you can pick up leaf bags. They'll be available beginning October 14th here at the municipal
complex. And then uh also every day after that uh every working day Monday through Friday 8:30 to 9 um well 8:30 8:30 to 4 I'm sorry 9:00 will be uh on that last on that last day of voter registration.
Uh there's uh quite we got pretty good supply but 10 bags per homeowner. We also have a townwide garage sale October 17th to the 19th. So, uh, that's all I have. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Uh, Councilwoman
Sanchez. Hi. Um, I wasn't able to make it to the 911 ceremony because I was feeling under the weather. Um, so I just wanted to take a second and recognize and acknowledge and thank all the first responders, you know, who were there
that day and who lost their lives that day and who continue to lose their lives um because of all the medical issues due to what happened on 911. Um, and just thank all first responders in general who are currently serving their
communities every day. Uh, Councilman Simaluca, stand up here. Um, I was at the 911 ceremony and u, every year it's a very somber event. It's something that we
have to do. We need to do, we must do it. Um, and the mayor had asked if I wanted to speak and I chose not to, and that may have been a mistake. Um, so I thought about it afterwards and I said thinking about what I might have said then and
I'll say it now. Uh, my memories of of 911 that day. I woke up went to work pretty angry because it was one of the most beautiful days I've ever seen. And I should have been golfing, but I went to work. I was the first one in. People started coming in a little
before 9:00. And my clerk said, "Hey, did you hear what happened?" Like, "No, what? I'm working and the plane just hit the one of the towers. I said, "Get out of here." He said, "Yeah." I said, "Well, must have been one of those small glider jets or something like that."
Didn't know. I don't even know if we had the internet then, to tell you the truth, 24 years ago. So, I'm not sure. At least we didn't have it in that office. And then a couple minutes later, maybe a half hour later, he's listening to the radio. He says, "Another plane hit." And
at that point, you know, it hit me that something very very evil was going on that it wasn't just an accident something I didn't know what was going on but I know it wasn't it wasn't good kids were in school wife at work um so I
told everyone to leave because to be honest with you no one knew at that point you got two planes hitting the most visible building in the world at that time who knows what else happened I mean what else would happened. You didn't
know. So told everyone, "Go home, be with your family." Um and um you know, in the days thereafter, you know, we all saw when we seen over the last 24 years, the horrific videos of what went on. So many people have
lost their lives. A couple people that I know uh passed away, not at the um well, one person at on that date, but several others from cancer, which they got afterwards. uh one very good friend of mine um
and uh we we gathered around and we said never forget and on the days after that there was no blacks or whites Hispanics there was no gays or straits there's no Christian Jews Muslims
everyone was an American and we gathered together and we promised ourselves that we would stay together we wouldn't forget and we were on and we have seen that uh it seems to be coming apart at the seams at this point
and it's getting worse and worse and I I probably said this speech before maybe last year, the year before and I'm hoping that it gets better but it's just not. Um we all got together we love America. America's
full of our rights, our freedoms. And one of them is the freedom of speech. And we just saw that last week a young man, uh, you know, a son, a husband, and a father was assassinated because of what he said.
Never hurt anybody physically, never did anything to harm anybody, but he said words. And some people took offense at those words or one person in particular and shot him dead in a cowardly act. U
three months before whether you want and this is not a a left versus right speech because three months before Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark were stalked and shot because an individual did not believe in her views the things
that she was saying. she and her husband were murdered. Uh shouldn't be like that. Uh, and what what I find is that you would think that something like that would galvanize a community or a country, but it just it
did the opposite because you've got people celebrating the murder of somebody going on making memes, uh, videos, TV commentators. The man wasn't cold yet, and they're saying that he was
responsible for his own death. Uh it's just it's just insane. So um we happened not we but Saddle Brook residents organized a a vigil um at town hall. I believe it was last
Friday evening and uh to honor that young man uh and other people that have uh that went and it was also 9 911 was day after 911. Um, and
what really bothered the hell out of me was the comments on the internet and in chat groups about people saying the same things. I this is Saddlebrook and I I could see some nut jobs out in Oklahoma
having this hatred for for certain people. But people were on the internet, most of them anonymous, talking about how it was a bad thing. He deserved it. He caused his own death. And it's just I mean I
just had to say I was saying, you know, America, we've got to do better. But then it's in my town and it's just like Saddlebrook, you got to do better. I mean, there's people out there and I just don't understand that these people that I'm I'm don't know if I'm having
breakfast or lunch or dinner or talking to them at public meetings and that's what they have in their heart. And it really really sickens me that people can have those kind of evil thoughts to think that someone should
die for something that they say. Again, America, first amendment, you've got the freedom of speech. Now, freedom, you know, speech does have consequences, but those consequences should not include your death.
There's no way that that should happen in America. and the fact that some people in our own little town here are thinking that it's good or that it was right for that man to lose his life because he espoused views that you didn't.
It just, you know, it makes me ill. So, thank you very much. Thank you, Councilman. Uh, I just have a couple of things to mention. Um, I just want to mention the township picnic. It was a huge success. Um, I think the way it was done, mayor, was great. I think
uh everybody got their food in a timely manner and it was great and the turnout was was awesome too. Uh do we have a a number Pete that we attended that uh the picnic? Okay, but I know there was hundreds of people there. It was run really well.
Everything was great. I just want to recognize all of our sponsors up here on the board. Uh Raphael, I don't know if you could show that to the people viewing from home. um you know just to give a shout out to those uh sponsors
um who contributed to our township picnic. I appreciate that. And I also want to mention the library and thank them for their support not only uh giving a donation but also for sponsoring the arts and crafts for our children. It was
a wonderful thing that they did. Uh I also attended the uh Friday night lights at the field. Beautiful field. Uh, I want to commend the board of education um for passing that referendum and getting that done. It was long over it
was it was long overdue um to get that field done. So, I want to commend the board of education and our children deserve it. So, it's a wonderful thing. Um, thank you. Uh, Pete, ordinances. Yes. At this time we do have
Councilwoman Maser on the phone participating. Thank you. Councilwoman, an ordinance of the township of Santa Brook County of Bergen, state of New Jersey to fix the salary and wages of
employees, servants or professional staff for the years 2025, 2026. And this is the white collar. Okay. Motion P for public hearing. Motion. Second. All in favor? I I.
Anyone wishing to address the council on this ordinance, please step up to the microphone. Yeah, this is uh 1787-25 second reading. Uh I asked and I think this is the third time, but we had a 460K increase in salaries and wages. And
even if you take into account all the the new patrolman police officers and the promotions, you're still 250 260k to $300,000 that's not being explained. So even with the promotions and the new
patrolman, you're 250 to 300k off. This is the third time in the last 90 days. I would like to know where 460K of spending for more salaries and wages from uh 2024 to 2025 to this 2025 2026
went. Haven't had an answer since. Okay. I don't know if that number is accurate, Jimmy. Uh yeah, correct. I'm not sure either, but um I would imagine that it would the only explanation would be just the contractual uh negotiated raises from
the year to year, which Okay. Anyone wish anyone else wishing to address the council through the chair? Do you know how many employees we actually have altogether? Off top my head. um
full-time see please have 40 maybe like a little under 100 full-time and then all the part-time seasonals you have um crossing guards which I'm not counting in that because they're part-time you have the wreck staff um so
which equate to a good amount and then also you have special law enforcement officers which are part-time so Okay. Anyone else wish to address the council on this ordinance? Seeing no one, motion to close. Motion.
Second. All in favor? I be resolved by the township council of the township of Sandbrook that the ordinance entitled an ordinance of the township of Santa Brook County Bergen State of New Jersey to fix the salary and wages of employees servants or
professional staff for the year 2025 2026. White collar does now pass on second and final reading and that the township clerk be directed to advertise said ordinance or title thereof in the press. Wait a minute. We didn't vote. We only vote open to the public.
They have to vote to adopt now. We're going to we're going to now pass on second and final reading that the township clerk be directed to advertise set audits or title thereof in the press together with the notice of the date of passage of set ordinance
according to law. Motion to approve. Motion. Second. Uh, roll call. Councilman Samuca. Yes. Councilwoman Sanchez. Yes. Councilwoman Maser. Yes. Council President Garrick. Yes.
[Applause] Next ordinance for a second reading is Ordinance of the Township of Saddlebrook. orders of the township of Saddlebrook and the county of Bergen, New Jersey, authorizing a special emergency appropriation in the amount of $30,000
for the preparation of a stormwater system map for a second reading. So, we need a motion. Motion for public hearing. A second reading. Oh, second reading. Motion. Second. Uh, all in favor? I I I.
An ordinance of the township of Saddlebrook and the county of Bergen, New Jersey, authorizing a special emergency appropriation in the amount of $30,000 for the preparation of a stormwater system app. Okay. Motion for a public hearing. Motion.
Second. All in favor? I I I. Anyone wishing to address the council on this ordinance? Seeing no one, motion to close. Second. All in favor? I be resolved by the township council of
the township of Saddlebrook that the ordinance entitled an ordinance of the township of Saddlebrook in the county of Bergen, New Jersey authorizing a special emergency appropriation in the amount of $30,000 for the preparation of a stormwater system map. This is now pass
on second and final reading and that the township clerk be directed to advertise set ordinance or title thereof in the press together with the notice of the date of passage of set ordinance according to law. Motion to approve. Motion. Second. Roll call.
Councilman Suca. Yes. Councilwoman Sanchez. Yes. Councilwoman Mer. Yes. Council President Garrick. Yes. Next ordinance. Uh final reading. a bond ordinance to authorize the undertaking
of the extension of water manes and related improvements at Maple, Spruce, Larch, and Pine Avenues in by Florida Water Utility of the Township of Saddlebrook in the county of Bergen, state of New Jersey, to appropriate the sum of $360,000 to pay the cost thereof
to authorize the issuance of bonds to finance such appropriation and to provide for the issuance of bond anticipation notes in anticipation of the issue. issuance of such bonds for a second reading. Motion to give second reading. Second. All in favor? I
I the boner ordinance to authorize the undertaking of the extension of water manes and related improvements at Maple Spruce Larch and Pine Avenues and by and for affordable water utility of the township of Saddlebrook and the county of Bergen State of New Jersey to
appropriate the sum of $360,000 to pay the cost thereof to authorize the issuance of bonds to finance such appropriation and to provide for the issuance of bond Anticipation notes anticipation in anticipation of the issuance of such bonds. Motion open to the public.
Motion. Second. All in favor? I. I. Anyone wishing to address the council on this ordinance. Seeing no one. Motion to close. Motion. Second. All in favor? I. I. I.
be resolved by the township council of the township of Sandbrook that the ordinance entitled a bond ordinance to authorize the undertaking of the extension of water manes and related improvements at Maple Spruce Larch and Pine Avenues and by Ford water utility of the township of Saddlebrook in the
county of Bergen State of New Jersey to appropriate the sum of $360,000 to pay the cost thereof to authorize the issuance of bonds to finance such appropriation and to provide for the issuance of bond anticipation notes in anticipation of the issuance of such
bonds has now passed on second and final reading and that the township clerk be directed to advertise set ordinance or title thereof in the press together with the notice of the date of passage of said ordinance according to what motion to approve motion
second roll call council yes councilwoman Sanchez yes councilwoman Mer yes council president Garrick Yes. Bond ordinance of 1790-25, final reading. a bond ordinance to
authorize the undertaking of various park and recreation improvements in by and for the township of Saddlebrook in the county of Bergen State of New Jersey to appropriate the sum of $915,000 to pay the cost thereof to appropriate a state grant to authorize the issuance of
bonds to finance such appropriation and to provide for the issuance of bond anticipation notes in anticipation of the issuance of such bonds for a second reading. Motion to get second reading. Second. All in favor? I I
bond ordinance to authorize the undertaking of various park and recreation improvements in by for the township of Saddlebrook in the county of Bergen, state of New Jersey to appropriate the sum of $915,000 to pay the cost thereof to appropriate a state grant to authorize the issuance of bonds
to finance such appropriation and to provide for the issuance of bond anticipation notes in anticipation of the issuance of such bonds. Motion open the meeting to the public for this ordinance. Motion. Second. All in favor? I I I. Anyone wishing to address the council on
this ordinance? Seeing no one, motion to close for this ordinance. Motion. Second. All in favor? I I be resigned by the township council of the township of Saddlebrook that the ordinance entitled a bond ordinance to authorize the undertaking of various
park and recreation improvements and by and for the township of Saddlebrook in the county of Bergen, state of New Jersey to appropriate the sum of $915,000 to pay the cost thereof to appropriate a state grant to authorize the issuance of bonds to finance such
appropriation and to provide for the issuance of bond anticipation. notes in anticipation of the issuance of such bonds is now passed on second and final reading and that the township clerk be directed to advertise set ordinance or title there thereof in the press
together with the notice of the date of passage of set ordinance according to law motion to approve. Motion to approve. Second. Uh roll call. Councilman Simaluca. Yes. Councilwoman Sanchez. Yes. Councilwoman Maer. Yes.
Council President Garrick. Yes. 1791-25 for a final reading. Bond ordinance to authorize the making of various public improvements and major repairs to a fire engine and the acquisition of new additional or replacement equipment and
machinery. New communication and signal systems equipment, new information technology equipment, and new automotive vehicles, including original apparatus and equipment in by and for the township of Saddlebrook in the county of Bergen State of New Jersey to appropriate the
sum of $995,000 to pay the cost thereof to make a down payment to authorize the issuance of bonds to finance such appropriation and to provide for the issuance upon anticipation notes in anticipation of the issuance of such bonds for a second reading.
Motion to give second reading. Second. All in favor? I I I. A bond ordinance to authorize the making of various public improvements and major repairs to a fire engine and the acquisition of new additional replacement equipment and machinery, new
communication and signal systems equipment, new information technology equipment and new automotive vehicles including original apparatus and equipment in by and for the township of Serbrook in the county of Bergen, state of New Jersey to appropriate the sum of
$995,000 and pay the cost thereof to make a down payment to authorize the issuance of bonds to finance such appropriation and to provide for the issuance of bond anticipation notes in anticipation of the issuance of such bonds.
Motion to open a meeting to the public on this ordinance. Motion second. All in favor? I. Anyone anyone wishing to address the council on this ordinance? Seeing no one. Motion to close. Motion to close. Second. All in favor? I I
be resolved by the township council of the township of Saddlebrook that the ordinance entitled a bond ordinance to authorize the making of various public improvements and major repairs to a fire engine and the acquisition of new additional replacement equipment and machinery, new communication and signal
systems equipment, new information technology equipment and new automotive vehicles including original apparatus and equipment in by Ford Township and Saddle in the county of Bergen, state of New Jersey, to appropriate the sum of $995,000,
pay the cost thereof, to make a down payment, to authorize the issuance of bonds, to finance such appropriation, and to provide for the issuance of bond anticipation notes in anticipation of the issuance of such bonds. is now passed on second and final reading. That
the township clerk be directed to advertise set ordinance or title thereof in the press together with the notice of the date of passage of set ordinance according to law. Motion to approve. Motion. Second. Roll call. Council Samuca. Yes.
Councilwoman Sanchez. Yes. Councilwoman Mer. Yes. Council President Garrick. Yes. And first reading, Ordinance 1792-25, an ordinance amending and supplementing chapter 206 of the code of the township
of Saddlebrook regulating the operation of specific classes of cannabis businesses with it within its geographical boundaries be passed and adopted on first reading. Motion. Motion. Second.
Uh, roll call. Councilman Suca. Councilwoman Sanchez, yes. Councilwoman Maer, yes. Council President Garrick, yes. Be resolved by the Township Council of the Township of Saddlebrook and an
ordinance amending and supplementing chapter 206 of the code of the township of Saddlebrook regulating the operation of specific classes of cannabis businesses within its geographical boundaries. Tier24 passed on first reading be
further considered for a final passage at a meeting to be held on October 16, 2025 at 7:00 p.m. where soon thereafter is as the matter can be reached at the municipal complex 55 Mayill Street and at such time and place all persons
interested be given an opportunity to be heard concerning set ordinance according to law with the notice of its introduction and passage on first reading and of a time and place when set ordinance will be further considered for final passage. Motion.
Motion. Second. Roll call. Councilman Samuka. Yes, Councilwoman Sanchez. Yes. Councilwoman Maer. Yes. Council President Garrick. Yes. That completes the ordinances.
Thank you. All items solicited with an asterisk are considered routine and non-controversial by the township council and will be approved by one motion. There will be no separate discussion on these items unless a council member or member so requests it in which case the item or
items will be removed from the consent agenda and considered in its normal sequence on the agenda. The one motion signifies adoption of all resolutions receive and file letters, correspondence, reports and approval of minutes and applications. Motion.
Motion. Second is uh was I don't think I was here on August 7th. Are you reading that separately? Are we doing August 7th, sir? We're going to do August se 7 separately. Okay. So, yes.
Second. Roll call. Councilman Simuca. Yes. Councilman Alamando, I'm sorry. Councilwoman Sanchez, yes. Council Mer, yes. Council President Garrick, yes. We have the August 7, 2025 special
public meeting motion. Motion. Uh second. Council. Uh second roll call. Councilman Simuka.
Councilwoman Sanchez. Yes. Counciloman Maer. Yes. Council President Garrick. Yes. Thank you. Uh any old business? Yes. I just want to mention a couple things I forgot. Um
there was a roundt meeting uh which was uh given by uh coun um congresswoman Nelly Poe at the Maria hotel here in Saddlebrook on Friday morning September 5th uh with she met with uh a bunch of
local mayors in her district and uh so we discuss it was it was a good discussion on a variety of topics. So, I was happy to be part of that. I also want to mention and wish uh the school district, the teachers, staff, students,
everybody a successful school year. I want to mention to uh residents, the general public, please drive safely. Schools are open. Uh and we want to make sure everybody's safe and please try to
cooperate with with the crossing guards. They have a difficult job. Every year we have a meeting, a training session before they start and uh they get they get sometimes they get verbally abused.
So please try to be as as uh cooperative and as uh respectful as possible with the crossing guards. I also wanted to mention uh that I I failed to mention when I was talking about the water. Uh, you know, if I did
I do regret not sending it out, but there was a savings because when anytime you send a letter out, number one, you got to worry that the post office gets it to you because we've had a lot of problems with the with the post office and their mailings. But it would have
cost a considerable amount of money to mail a letter out. Um, I guess we could have put a sticker on the water bill. Maybe that would have been less money and that might have been confusing, too. But uh the last thing I want to say is I I just want to I just want to say I I
agree Mr. Simaluca and I don't agree on everything, but uh I I agree with what he what he had to say about um about Charlie Kirk. And uh I also want to say I'm going to go a little further. Uh I I
just feel that you know what regardless whether you liked the liked or didn't like him or or or you know you felt he was offensive. you know, he was murdered and and you know what? Not only is it so is it deplorable that somebody would would say
he had it coming to him or anything like that. To me, it's all it's also disrespectful and and and I don't know. I'm a Christian. I'm a Catholic and I believe that when somebody dies, you know what? You should pray for them.
Pray for them that they go to heaven. You know what? I I hope people do that when when I go, you know, I got a lot of work to do to get up there. So, but you know what's common decency? I mean, you know what? Let the man rest. He's not even buried and and people are bashing
the heck out of him. You know, regardless, it's just not right. And one other thing that really annoys the heck out of me is the president of the United States. I don't care whether you like him, you don't like him, you know, you're from a
different party. I don't care. He's the president of the United States. He issues an order that the flags put put at half has staff. You put him in half to have. I don't you know why why why are we why do we question that? He's got the authority to do it. And you know
it's not like he's asking to do do it for for a bad reason. He's doing it to Yeah, maybe you don't agree with it, but he's do he's doing it to honor and show respect for somebody that he felt deserved that privilege. He's got the
right. He's the president. So, you know, to end the story, you know, I don't know, maybe he's being a police officer, par military, you follow orders. It's that simple. So, anyway, that's all I have to say. Thank you, mayor. Anyone else? Old or
new business. Okay. Um, seeing no one else, uh, let's open a meeting to public for agenda items only. Motion. Motion. Second. All in favor? Hi. Hi. Anyone wish to address the council on agenda items?
You have uh ordinance 17925, the first reading, uh the amending and supplementing 206 of the cannabis. Uh can someone just please explain what is being amended and supplemented? Uh those are operating hours. Those are geographical
restrictions. Those are people going into a retail store and they're not allowed to smoke on the property. So, they'll just drive down the street to a residential property. It's very uh very vague here. Um, you know, we're going to
have nine facilities in a 2.4 square mile town. I don't know why this wasn't done six, 12, 18 months ago. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else wish to address the council on agenda items?
Seeing no one else, motion to close the meeting to the public. Motion. Second. All in favor? I I Jim, would you like to comment on that? I can I can address that. So, previously the governing body amended the ordinance
with respect to the size of the building for manufacturing. uh because what they learned and again this is all new to many municipalities is that for a manufacturing facility you need a decent size uh room to make it
financially uh feasible. So that was increased to uh 12,000 to allow up to 12,500 square ft. The governing body then learned that the same was true for cultivation that in order to uh have
someone make a business uh economically feasible that you needed a space of up to 12,500 ft. So the only change in this amendment is to increase the space up to 12,500 square ft. There's no no other
change in the ordinance other than that for cultivation. Thank you. Okay. Motion to adjourn the meeting tonight. Comments. Did you want final comments or uh hold on? Uh any final comments?
Just a few. Uh a couple of things. Number one, that there are no there's not nine uh cannabis facilities in town. Uh we authorized or gave resolutions of approval or our ordinance ordinance.
Yeah. Resol support. We we didn't give it to nine different organizations. What what we did was we allowed for up to three retail, up to three manufacturing, and up to three uh cultivation. As of
this time, I believe that there was only one uh resolution of support that was sought for manufacturing. Correct me if I'm wrong, and that I believe is being withdrawn. So right now what we're left with is one potential cultivation
facility and three potential retail facilities. Um I forgot to mention at that 911 ceremony uh want to thank uh Congresswoman Nelly Poe and uh Assemblywoman Lisa Swain for
taking time out of their uh their busy schedule. I know 911 is a uh a date where all elected officials are running from place to place to uh talk to their constituents and uh give their condolences to uh the deceased and their
families. So, thank you for attending. And lastly, every year uh I attend and most of most if not all of the council and the mayor go to the League of Municipalities Convention in Atlantic City for a few days. And we always go uh
to the GIF hearing. GIF is our insurance fund that covers um a lot a lot of different municipalities. And they give a presentation actually the town. And I think we get $250 or $300 off our membership or our dues or
premiums for everybody that attends. So, uh, it's informative and, you know, we save the town some money. Uh, and every year it's the same thing. They always ask the same question. And uh do you know what the number one
uh employee uh or class of employees that have the uh highest rate of injury of anybody in state, local, county, government work, and it's always the same answer. It's crossing guards. So again, as the mayor said, be careful.
They do have a very dangerous job. Oh yeah. So just be careful out there. I know it's hard. You want to get your kids to school. I know on my block every day my wife comes here and says there's people parked within two inches of the stop sign and they're blocking
driveways. I know we have Madarelli here. She lives next to a school so she she understands the uh the the trials and tribulations of having a property that's right near a school. Uh but the crossing guards are just there to help your kids and help you. So just uh be
kind to them. Thank you. Thank you, Councilman. I just wanted to thank uh Councilwoman Maser for participating tonight and hope she feels better. Right. Okay. You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? Final comments? No other final comments? Motion to adjurnn.
Motion to adjurnn. Second. All in favor? I I Thank you very much everyone. Have a good evening. Thank you.