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--------- Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Okay, we're going to go ahead and call to order the meeting of Sanford City Commission and work session for June 22nd, 2026. And I believe we have an extra item at

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the beginning of our agenda. Um oh, wait. First, uh Commissioner Thomas will not be here this evening. I imagine Commissioner Britton is on her way. And City Manager Bonaparte will be here at 7:00, but for 4:00, we get Greg Driggers back.

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Yeah, he may not be in tonight, depending on his plane, so Okay. Thank you. All right. And we also at this point do not have YouTube live going, so We'll get on it. Okay. All right. Mr. Adzick. Okay. First item on the agenda, this is the revised agenda. We have a budget

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book cover winner and runner uh runner up, and our finance director, Cindy Lindsay, is going to present that. Good afternoon, Mayor and Commissioners. Um we did do a budget um cover contest again this year. This year, it was open to um Seminole County students. And it's

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my pleasure to announce the two winners, first and second place. And first of all, I would like to call up our second-place winner, Everly Baumgardner. She was a sixth-grade student, probably seventh grade now. I don't know if the mayor [laughter]

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Thank you again. Thank you all. Congratulations. All right. And with that, um the and Everly's um photo will um picture will be um inside our budget book for 2027. Um it will be one of the pages in there.

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And with that, um I would like to call up our first place winner, Jocelyn Hertz. She's the was 11th grade, she's now a senior. [applause] This is her artwork, and this will be the cover of our 2027 budget book. Very nice. Thank you.

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You give them both a big round of a beautiful artwork from both of them, and I'd like for them to be able to take these home with them. You want to sit with me? Now I can see everybody. I'll put those stands after. Okay, thank y'all.

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Next. Okay, uh good afternoon, Mayor and members of the commission. The next on our agenda is the uh Public Art Commission Master Plan presented by Lisa Holder, and we do have some members of the Public Art Commission here for that presentation, and I don't see Lisa. Elizabeth, are you going to come on up?

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Okay, Elizabeth, you going to start? Okay. Do you want me to do an introductory? Okay. So, um you know, we had the presentation by the PAC on Master Plan, and I had some questions that came up at that point. And then I found out that

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Elizabeth had been working on um uh a report and some some further digging into how that would go. And so, um I asked them to go ahead and give us an update on where they are in um finalizing the master plan.

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Okay, good. So, I'll let Lisa chime in uh where necessary, but hello Mayor and members of the commission. Um for an update, so I got involved with the master plan for the Public Art Commission um after reviewing uh their previous master plan

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and noticing that there were um some areas that could use a little more fleshing out, um some more detail, and really understanding how it strategically aligns with the rest of our city. So, that means from uh strategic planning of cuz our artworks become our city assets.

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So, understanding where um those play into part and where the future of the uh Public Art Committee is going. Um so, I prepared a report. I shared it with the Mr. Bonaparte um as well as the Mayor. And from there, I'd worked with the Public Art Commission um to sit and

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ask some questions to kind of help um understand more of where the PAC was moving. Um so, what was handed out to all of you earlier uh today was the tentative master plan. It's in its draft form. Um and then what's also on the

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screen is that draft form as well. Um so, it just kind of highlights um the goals of the PAC, and that's outlined uh from the ordinance that was created for the PAC. And then throughout the rest of it, it outlines some of the goals um

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that have been mentioned by the committee members and uh some of the the needs that need to be addressed as they move forward over the next 3 years. And that's it for me, so Lisa has any else she would like to contribute. Are we going to go through it or not? I mean we can go through it if you'd

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like. I'll go through it. Um, briefly y'all think? Mhm. I'm fine. I just think that this is Lisa Holder, communications and marketing manager and public art definitely is on it and I just first want to thank the public art

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commissioners, their volunteers appointed by the city commission for the work that they've done if you um out in the community, this city looks um amazingly cultural in addition to how we have been looking. Um, and so their efforts have

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not gone unnoticed. What we do definitely need is a plan moving forward and so I um support the assistance, the help of our strategic performance manager to guide the public art

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commission in a strategic fashion to for the over the next three years. So um Okay. Right there. Okay. Okay, so [laughter] public art master plan. If you notice this is one of the very first murals

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that we've had that we did several years ago out on airport airport Boulevard. Um, before we go any further may I introduce that we do have some of our public art commissioner members in the audience? Kim House who is a founding member of the public art commission as

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well as Virginia Poe who is a chairman. Both of these women have been um day one on the public art commission appointed by the city commission to facilitate the ordinance that the commission and the city of Sanford created on behalf of public art.

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Okay, so we have our executive summary and um the public art commission. Elizabeth, would you like to Yes, sure. Please do. All right. Um So, as you see here, the executive summary

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just outlines what the master plan is doing. The summary below hand just kind of outlines what the purpose of the PAC is as well. So, those just cover those two there. The responsibilities again cover the ordinance and the responsibilities that are outlined

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within the ordinance as well as the goals um and funding that are outlined there. The funding does go into the fact that there have been other revenue sources and the fact that the PAC is currently exploring other funding opportunities. Um so, that touches on

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that briefly. Um the inventory uh does note that we do have interactive inventories of our public art via our city website. Um and then it outlines the three different primary forms that you'll see public art utilized throughout the city, which is of course

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mural sculptures and functional art, aka the utility box wraps. So, that highlights that there. It also outlines the fact that in the back are three appendices that do um provide images of those maps as well. Um impactful strategies, this is where

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we look at the PAC and how it relates to the strategic plan within the city. So, essentially we just look at our mission and our vision as the city of Sanford and then how those uh come into connection with the PAC and their mission. Accomplishments, these are things that I know the PAC has already

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shared with you all um in their previous master plan uh that was presented where it just outlines what uh they've accomplished to date since uh they were created several years ago. Uh this year is the last portion of the master plan and this is uh some of that um planning

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for the future items. Uh so, it highlights the Sanford 150th um and the intention to uh do an art project or projects in correlation to the Sanford's 150th anniversary, Um identification of future sites, the PAC in meeting with

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them uh couple weeks ago, they identified several sites that they are interested in using for future art, but there are other steps that still need to be taken such as having it identified and vetted with city staff to make sure those

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locations are appropriate. Um and so on with those matters. And then with the maintenance of the current art, there are schedules and outlines of what type of maintenance is needed for which type of art installations currently exist on throughout the city of Sanford.

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So this is then just taking those maintenance items and translating them into a way of what the schedule should look like, how frequently they should happen, who's in charge of those maintenance, whether they be the third-party vendor, Sanford staff, or if they're by

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volunteered staff members. We know that PAC has talked about previously their Adopt-a-Masterpiece program. So part of what they would have to finish flushing out is which projects and what part of maintaining art would qualify for that

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as well. Expanding the arts throughout the districts. As you all know, part of the PAC's vision is to of course move art throughout the rest of the city of Sanford, so this correlates with that. And then below it just has some additional goals that are kind of brief

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items for them that they would like to keep focusing on throughout the future years. This is a projected timeline. Again, the focus is over the next 3 years with those main four items being highlighted there. And then as mentioned, the appendices

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there at the back have those items. So again, this is just the current draft of it. I put this together you know, with uh within the last day or so in working with the public art based off our previous meeting that I had sat in on with them.

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I have just one ask of the Public Art Commission. I've [clears throat] said this before and it just want to say that they have done a phenomenal job. They know that they are one of my favorite um commissions uh boards because you can actually see the work that they're doing

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throughout. I just would like to see in the future some more uh artwork that pays homage to the city of Sanford. The celery, the gators, the waterfront, the clock. Um I'll give you an example, the wrap with the Tim Raines um on it right

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next to the Tim Raines Sports Complex. Um it it tells the story. Help us to tell our story. I mean, the the pieces that we have are really great. Um I know that certain pieces provoke thought, you know, like the peace sign and the little whimsco whimsical ladies, but I would

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also like to see that artwork that says, "This is Sanford, 1877." I love the artwork that's on the the building here. That's Sanford and all of the pieces that go into it, but we have so much history here. It would uh be a return on

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investment for it to also help tell our story. I would love to see more local artists. I know that we've brought in uh people who have done some phenomenal work, but even if they have moved out of Sanford, but they came from Sanford or have some kind of connection to Sanford.

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Not saying that you all have not already done that, but I'm just saying a little emphasis on let's keep it local. Let's support local with our um tax dollars. Um that would be perfect. So, just a a

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few more pieces that pay homage to Sanford and if we could, you know, I know sometimes, you know, there are some pieces that this would fit in downtown and this person came from Sri Lanka. Okay, I get it. But if we could find

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someone that had that talent and we'll be able to say, "Born and raised here in Sanford, they did this mural, and this is our community, that would be great. And thank you. And can I speak to that? I mean, I don't know, Attorney Green, if you want to speak to the what you've shared with the commissioners, too,

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because they about a local artists and having to be open to everyone, to all, and that when the art is received for a call to artists, anyone could apply for. We have as a city, from what I what we're told,

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to be equitable, it has to be open to everyone, to all. And when they look at the artwork to choose it, they're not looking at just the address to make sure they're in Sanford. But I am I understand where you where you're saying, Commissioner Britton, but they're looking at the design, and everyone has the opportunity

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to apply. And that's how we we have to have an open call, correct, Commissioner? Um, Attorney Green? Both strategies can be accomplished. Commissioner Britton is speaking to wanting to make sure that our artist reflecting the city, and that is that is appropriate, and that's something that we have the ability to do. We also need

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to, when we do the call for artists, not designate jurisdictions or areas and make it open call. Um, we can, because we're posting, make sure that we're attracting local artists to make sure that we're at least seeking more input from local artists, which is what we've been doing.

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Mhm. Okay. Yeah. But do you know how we have I don't know if that's even still allowed now with all of the rules that we have, but how there was veterans preference before. Um, that you still have to have positions open up to everyone, but there was a preference that you would receive if you were a

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veteran. Is is there something that we could look at to say if you are a local artist, then I I don't know how that works. And if it doesn't if you cannot do it, then that's fine with me. That was just saying I would like to see support local. There's so many talents. I mean, there's

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so many talented local people, including high school students, college students, all of that. We know that immensely talented. And that's what's wonderful about the city of Sanford, that we're giving people an opportunity to apply, to show their art in our city. So, um

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And with the hope that that transcends also into other projects that the city is doing. Okay. Any other questions or comments? Okay, a couple of things and some of these are sort of hit on in here and I know we've talked about them, but um a couple of things I think we we need to

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be addressing is funding and funding non-city funding sources, either grants or having businesses sponsor artwork or something like that. And um it not just be tax dollars that are funding it.

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Um you sort of addressed the maintenance and the selection of sites. Um is there going to be sort of uh description of the workflow of, you know, the whole process from identifying a

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site to picking artwork to um making sure the main maintenance is taken care of, that we all understand because I know it touches different departments. Yeah, it does. And we can add those to this particular plan as to it ahead of time decide what those locations are so

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that we know that these three boxes are going to be chosen over the next year. These seven spots have been approved and vetted by the city of Sanford. We know that the departments are aware of that. And then also um moving down the line in terms of maintenance because we have to think of also, you know, weather

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conditions and things like that and how that's going to happen in in relation to all the other types of things and responsibilities you have to do during a storm and etc. So, almost as if the public art it's built into what they're doing. Um

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because uh from what the ordinance says, they're clearly supposed to be choosing the art on behalf of the city. So need and you know they've done such a great job of bringing art in, we need to make sure this is strategically maintained. Exactly. Yeah.

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And and doesn't just go away. Right. Um and the other thing and and I don't know how I missed this that we have a lot of artwork that's leased. How many pieces is that? 10 pieces that are leased throughout

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downtown and those leases are up next year. March 2027, it's called uh Marion City Commissioners, it's called a art on loan program and this was brought to us through Reggie Sentilly who's with the city. That's actually a Deland but she works with the Volusia County Tourism

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Board. But she um the artists that were out there um that we have the 10 sculptures, it's it's four cases where you can't afford to buy 10 pieces of art. And so we our budget does not allow for that. So the way to get variety is to do these

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revolving art on loan programs so that we have we have the 10 pieces of art here and then we get to use have them for half the price, a quarter of the price. The community gets to enjoy them and then after that either the artists will take them back,

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we can purchase them but we do want to keep purchase one throughout all of them as a people's choice sculpture or something like that to that effect. Um Yeah. But well that's the the intention

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was that. That's why they picked 10 sculptures art on loan. And the artists love it because they don't have to schlep all their artwork back and forth um every time. It's 2 years in one particular location. So um

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Yeah, well I can My concern is that we would could have nine pieces of artwork suddenly go away and have holes where people are used to seeing something. you know, Mayor, that's how I kind of got involved in this is I found that that was going to occur and that caused me from a strategic standpoint to have

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some pause. Um in the last uh work session that I sat in with the Public Art Committee, uh they expressed some desire to purchase out all those pieces of art, so I know that that's currently being discussed about what they would like to do with those art on loan pieces um because I have indicated that that's something

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that has to be um addressed moving forward. So, I know since this is currently still the working draft of it, but it is something that want to make sure that was in there. Yeah, no, it And that may be a good place to have local businesses purchase pieces because they're already here.

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So. Okay. Does the commission [clears throat] like the idea of a revolving art program so that we don't if we don't have enough funding to purchase pieces permanently to have these revolving exhibits? Um to ask the city that's something

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that if the commission is not interested in doing that then cuz we've had the pads report then they won't go you know, they won't do that. They may also just look at permanent pieces, but you're going to get less artwork, so. I mean, I don't mind the revolving, but

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what is the plan for making making it revolving? Okay, what is the plan for bringing in the next set? And the And the answer is that is they have not decided what they would purchase to put on that artwork Okay. yet on those Okay. pads yet, but yet. So, that but that that's something that

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needs to be in the plan to keep Right. the pads used. Yes, cuz I don't think that they would like to see them empty at all. Mhm. Um that wouldn't Yeah. I don't mind I don't mind the art on

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loan or lease or whatever you call it. Um but let's just keep keep it going. And and and the plan was to revisit that when we got to the FY27 budget. Mhm. You know, um but we're just look we're

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preparing more in advance now and um this is a great idea to have the plan the master plan for for the home construction. All right. Anything else? No, sir. Mhm. All right. Um did you want to touch on the art

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center or is that too early? [clears throat] Kim [laughter] House Kim always likes to talk. Well, because that that wasn't mentioned in this plan and it was mentioned in the other plan. Well, we've kind of segued into a different uh plan. Kim House, 1105 South

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Oleander. Um thanks for giving me the opportunity come up here and take my opinion. Um in front of you you have uh a proposal. Initially, PAC was going to try to put

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together the Arts and Cultural Center to fulfill the arts education aspect that we're missing in Sanford. Um PAC realizes that we're missing this and that is a priority, but they're a little bit apprehensive to

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being vol- volunteers to have that type of a commitment. So, um initially, it was going to be presented to have a partnership with the city and the St. Johns River Festival of the Arts um because we have a 18-year history of

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being uh a nonprofit in Sanford uh going on 16 years with the Art Festival. Right now, we're basically fulfilling the arts education as much as we can um because we're teaching the uh scholarship program and that's been

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going on for 11 years. I don't know if anybody knows that, but uh Mr. Woodruff certainly does, but um we've been doing our part for arts education, but we cannot um we cannot at Hopper do an effective

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uh adults program, and that's what is really, really lacking in addition to the children's program. And seniors and veterans. So, um I spoke to my board and they've wanted this for a long time. They felt that

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they are definitely an organization that can do this and they're comfortable with it and they have the uh they have the knowledge. Um all the board members do. Many of them will four of them are artists,

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professional artists. So, they put together their own studios. They've been to studios, you know, been involved, they've been teachers. So, if you would please uh consider that, I think that we could do a good job and

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bring the art education into Sanford and hopefully it will remain in perpetuity uh because we can really get this established. We have um a lot of the equipment already. So, there isn't a big other than fixing the

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building and I'm talking about Monroe Hall, other than fixing the building and putting it back into service. Monroe? Yes. Uh because that has a square footage, it has the visibility, it's in the hub of the economic

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area. It would be involved with uh any events that's down there. Has the parking, has everything that we need. Um I think that we could do a great job for the city, but this is a partnership with the city is what we're proposing.

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So, that's about all I have. Um there are some numbers on the proposal and a couple of photographs of what we're talking about because it isn't a class put together for this month. This is a full-time like Crealdé, like

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Caselberry Art House. And truthfully truthfully, we don't have anything like that in Sanford that is consistent that you can depend on. And I think residents need this. I don't think it, I know it. I get people calling me and

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texting me and emailing all the time looking for art classes in Sanford. Why why can't the this I think I heard you say it can't be done at Hopper Center. Why can't it be done at Hopper Center? Well, Hopper is on a a venture. Art can speak to you about

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this. Do it uh becoming an event center at some point from what I understand. But, it really needs to be downtown. Um and I think they have other ideas for Hopper's use.

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So, that's you know, a completely different subject. and a lot of it comes down to the amount of space that we can dedicate. And and the amount of space. Mhm. Okay. As much as I love downtown as it is and it is in my district, I would like to see some of this stuff spread out through our other neighborhoods and

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I I love the fact that Hopper is there. You have the garden [clears throat] that's there and if we're going to put that much of an investment in it, it should be spread out a little further than just um downtown. I don't disagree with it being there um

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at at the Monroe Hall either. That it's very nice. But, I know that a lot of work and effort has gone into Hopper Center and it would Oh, yes. you know. Yes. I I think that it's a a beautiful building. I think Art has done a really great job of trying to I agree. I love that building.

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And um I mean, I don't know what the future holds for that. I haven't been privy um to the the future event center um plans. Mhm. Um but I would like to see it there. And then if we were to say this this

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investment into downtown um with Monroe Hall I at this much of an investment, I would like for it to be open for other things as well and not just the art. The art could be the full focus, but if there were some other things that needed to

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take place in that building. Such as? I don't know. Like if they were going to rent rent rent out the building like they used to before. There's if you're going to do an basically art institute, which this which is what

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we're describing, um you have your equipment there. You just cannot take your equipment, move it to the walls, and things like that. Okay. It's static. Okay. And so this is a fully functional art center like Crialdy, if you've ever been there.

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So it's going to be a a studio. It you would actually Yes. Okay. And it will support probably six different mediums. Okay. In addition to you know, other workshops. So that makes sense. Mhm. Okay. And classes multiple days, multiple evenings a week.

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Yes. Mhm. Workshops, uh visiting artists, programs. That's that's what we're talking about is programs. It's also why uh I I originally pushed Betty Smith for this, but I thought we were talking about that.

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Well, it's why Betty Smith doesn't work. Mhm. Because of the Because of It It really needs the square footage and the visibility downtown. It really does. And and why not if we're having events and classes? You You want to be

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supporting your restaurants that are across the street when right now if, you know, you drop your children off for an art class, people don't want to leave. But, they could walk across the street if we were downtown. That's just one example. But,

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for me, Commissioner, Mhm. I would love to see another one of our buildings that we own, Mhm. that we take care of, be utilized like the Welcome Center's been utilized. Mhm. Through some agreement or agreements,

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uh we have multiple buildings that that are not used. Okay. And we're going to come to a point, I'm afraid, in a couple years where we may want to consider eliminating some of these spaces that we're just not utilizing at all. Mhm. Mhm.

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And that's something I've talked about for 10 years now, even with the Civic Center. We don't promote these facilities well enough. We don't I agree. utilize them enough. We don't We don't rent them out enough. Okay. Um so,

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that's that's my little nugget. All right. Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm sure this This will be a discussion that will be continuing. Airbnb. Okay, Mayor and members of the Commission. Uh as requested by the Commission, you wanted a presentation on

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short-term rentals, and with that, we're going to have Tony Ramondo come up and start the presentation. I think we'll follow Lisa and Elizabeth's flow. We have one at the table, one at the podium. Mhm. I really can't sit and speak to commission. But, we will let

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Ms. Hinson lead off with some of the land development regulations surrounding short-term rentals and Airbnbs. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. So, as Tony noted, it's sort of a tag team effort between planning and code

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enforcement as the ongoing short-term rental component deals with zoning, deals with state preemption, and deals with code enforcement having to deal with both of those. So, Okay.

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So, the purpose of the presentation basically is to clarify what the city defines as dwellings versus transient lodging, present a list of definitions from schedule A identifying where the transient lodging is allowed per schedule B, explain the state's preemption elements

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and the pre-2011 regulations where we're protected, and then outline what the city can still enforce under the current law, and then request commission direction on next steps as to where they see us going. Or you see us going. So, a dwelling

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really long definition, but basically it's a building containing one or more units which provide shelter, sanitation, and the amenities for permanent human habitation, and it does not include transient lodging. Goes on to tell you what it does include and elements, but the main point is that

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it doesn't include transient lodging. So, multiple family dwellings, also uses that are dwelling units intended to be rented, maintained, and it goes on to talk about how multiple multiple family dwelling in which a dwelling unit is available for rental for periods of less than 30 days

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are considered transient lodging establishments. So, schedule A definition of a transient lodging establishment is any unit, group of units, dwelling, building, group of buildings, goes on to talk about apartments, condominiums, single-family

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units, or others which is rented more than three times in a calendar year for periods of less than 30 days or 1 calendar month, whichever is less, or which is advertised or held out to the public as a place regularly rented to transient residents.

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So, where is transient lodging allowed? It's permitted in our zoning districts for commercial, restricted commercial, general commercial, special commercial, and some of our PDs if it's listed as a permitted use. Where it's currently not permitted is our single-family zones, our mobile home zones, and our multi-family zones.

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It's also not permitted in our other non-residential districts, such as the multi-family residential, office institutional, agricultural, and then our two industrial zones. So, Florida statute 509.0327 talks about preemption and preventing

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local governments from doing a number of things as it relates to vacation rentals. So, it prohibits it prohibits local governments from prohibiting vacation rentals, regulating the duration of frequency of short-term rentals, which as you saw in

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our previous definitions, that's exactly how we regulate transient lodging. So, it creates new restrictions for short-term rentals. If you created any new restrictions for short-term rentals after June 1st of 2011, you fall within the category. So,

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cities can only enforce regulations that were in place prior to June 1, 2011. These are considered grandfathered. We have these. So, what the state preemption says we may do is enforce our pre-2011 rules only.

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Our code here in Sanford predates 2011, so we are protected from all of those preemptions if we leave it alone. Changing the code removes that grandfathering, that control permanently. There is no more protection from 2011 and before.

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One item or all of it? If you modify any part of it that affects your single-family residential as it relates to short-term rental, Uh-huh. you lose everything. So, cities may not prohibit vacation

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rentals under the new law. Then they cannot regulate duration, frequency, or time in which single-family homes are regulated um in terms of whether it rents for a month, rents for a day, rents for a year. It's all the same.

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So, what Sanford can enforce today Arlene, go back. I just I'm so so sorry. Okay, so So, I'm hearing you. We can't prohibit vacation rentals. So, can anybody call their

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Uh can can I just call my rental a vacation rental? I'm trying to ask these questions. So, it's saying we can't prohibit vacation rentals. No, we can't. We can. The cities may not. If we change the code that you'll be coming up, Commissioner, we cannot. Once

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we change it, we're locked in. Okay, so what exactly is that saying? Cities may not prohibit vacation rentals. Okay, so on the left side is where we fall. On the left side, cities that have elements that occurred prior to 2011, which we do. Our code

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regarding transient lodging facilities has existed prior to 2011. So, we can enforce our pre-2011 rules. Our code predates that 2011 date. Therefore, we are protected from all the new regulations related to short-term

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rentals and vacation rentals. If we change the code, it removes our protection. It removes our control, and it removes our ability to enforce our 2011 rules. Okay, so So, under the new [clears throat] regulations, if you have anything that

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was enforced that was non-enforceable prior to 2011, you may not prohibit vacation rentals or short-term rentals of any kind, and you cannot regulate the frequency or the duration in which someone can stay in a place of habitability.

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So, what you're saying is we've all we are protected under our before 2021 and we had that we can prohibit vacation rentals. And we had that we can regulate the duration and frequency. Our code

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pre-existed 2011, so we can regulate it as it is now. Okay. And If you touch it, it goes away. Okay. But the regulation we have is just what zoning classifications they can be in. Right. We define transient lodging

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establishments. The way it was was so broad that it did include single-family residences. Anything any single-family residence that was being rented for less than 30 days three times a year or advertised as being short-term rental fell under

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transient lodging. It has been for two decades or decade and a half. Okay. And And our code says those can only exist in commercial Correct. zoning. Right. Now, we do have single-family residences in commercial zones. So, we have some multi-families that are in commercial

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zones. We also have some single-family residential that just happen to exist in commercial zones. So, there where that bridge, you know, if they can qualify to be transient lodging, then they could use their single-family home for that use.

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So, there are some in commercial zones. So, um You want to do this one? We can take over. This has to do with enforcement. So, the zoning prohibition on transient lodging is in residential zones.

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That definition-based enforcement, what we can enforce because our code says greater than three rentals a year, less than 30 days, those are transient lodging. So, we can continue to enforce as long as we don't modify. Business tax receipt requirements can still apply. Whereas, if it was a

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short-term rental under today's code, we do not collect business tax receipts. It defaults strictly to the state and we collect no monetary gain from them. And then, the life safety building code, noise, nuisance, parking, and trash, we can also enforce those.

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And And that is the nature of the complaints that we see. By way of uh example, I kind of give you an idea of what the scope or of the problem, if it is a problem, where the penetration into our community is. We have about 352

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active listings representing just south of 300 units in our city. And if you look at the the plotted map, you'll see that the majority of them appear to rest between 1792 and Summerland, the lakefront, and

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State Road 46 or 25th Street. That's where the Of course, they're they're dispersed across our community, but the lion's share of them are there in the center. We've seen a 42% growth in these listings in just the past year. So, we

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went from about 200 You can't see the graphic, I'm sorry. It's a little fuzzy, but to right about just south of 300 again. The average nightly rate of the Airbnbs in our community rests around the $188 threshold mark. Um 13%

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of the advertisements that we find are for partial homes, and 87% of them are for entire homes in our community. And then, they're split about 10% in multi-family uh as compared to 89% of them being

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single-family residences. So, what do we do? It's kind of like the military used to do. Don't ask, don't tell, I guess. That's just the truth of the matter. It is we handle complaints on a case-by-case basis. If we get a complaint on an Airbnb, we go out. And it's usually some ancillary

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reason. It's usually centered around noise. Mhm. It's usually centered around traffic. Or or parking. Those are the kind of complaints. But, these complaints are in truth very infrequent. We're managing three of them right now. And that's kind of It's kind of a weird

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anomaly. You know, without clear guidance on the policy, doing it the way we we we're doing it, we're losing potentially potential economic opportunities. Mhm. It It does contribute to a diminishing neighborhood characteristic. And it can impact property values. We're going to talk

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about this in a second. But, to Eileen's point, in theory, if the commission tells us to change this, we could we could lose entire subdivisions to short-term rentals. Imagine being the one person who's just trying to plant roots and make a family

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in that subdivision. Of course, waste of time, staff hours, and the impact on the overall housing market. All of these things are important considerations as you craft a way for us to move forward. What could we do?

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We could maintain the status quo. We could We could continue to handle this matter like we handle it today. And that is we will handle the complaints as they arise. We will go to them. We will fix them. Uh one by one. Or, we could go to an enforcement posture. You could say, Tony,

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"I want you to go and take a look at this." I haven't forgotten that it's been a couple years ago now that when I got the new code enforcement officers, one of the caveats was that if we ever had to address the short-term rental issue, that I would use that extra body to go ahead and do that. And I'm

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prepared to do that for you. If that's what you tell us you want to do, we can go out and exist the regular Yes, sir. But you bring up a an interesting point. I just want to make it while you're here. We've had this discussion on these before. We decided to not take action.

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You decided that you would handle it on a complaint basis. Right? That's the guidance I received, sir. Yes. I just want this clear because there's a perception that you have these 40,000 code enforcement officers raiding the city.

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Um and it's just a lie and it's not true. And you you have not attacked Airbnbs. But you could have. Yes, sir. That's a true statement. And and we could have and we have not. I just want that on the record. I'm sorry.

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Uh and of course the last option is you can change the direction. You can change the code. And uh as Ms. Henson has pointed out, you have some risks that are inherent with changing the code. You're going to lose your grandfathered authority.

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You know, state preemption is going to block a lot of the ability to locally regulate these matters. Uh residential areas could see unrestricted short-term rentals. And um the bottom line is that keeping the code existing the way it is

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preserves your authority. You have a pretty unique gift right now, uh an opportunity. We talk about uh open container sometimes. If you said to me if you gave direction to go ahead and change the open container ordinance, we could do it. And if we if we figured out

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that that was a mistake, we could fix it. We could change direction. We could go back. If you do that here, then the commissions that sit 50 years from now will be dealing with the decision that was made. We can't go back. So what we're asking for is some

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direction. Uh do you want to maintain our 2011 regulations? Do you want to just go after additional non-preempted enforcement tools? You want me to deal with this on a case-by-case basis? Go after noise and parking complaints? Um, maybe there's a compromise. Maybe we

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have some public-facing solutions that we can partner with the communications department to educate folks. But, at the end of the day, um, the decision is to enforce or not. So, I don't know. Uh, the county, uh, obviously handles

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this differently than us. Um, they pay a registration fee, they pay sales tax, and they also pay, uh, the TDT, which is part of the problem with the Airbnbs. It's not fair to the hotels that have to pay the TDT

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or collect the TDT. If If we were to go that route, we it would still be changing um, our what we're grandfathered in for, right? If we change the code, I mean, I think part of the reason that the county went the way the county did was because they

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don't have the ability that or the 2011 preemption. They had to make a decision. You bring up an interesting point, Commissioner. I would, you know, we have two Well, we have a hotel plan downtown right now. We have a uh, motor lodge that's been proposed downtown, and uh, there's at least one project with some

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short-term rentals in the SE3A that I'm that uh, we have on the the skids to go. Mhm. And I think that's going to create some energy. I mean, if I were a hotelier, um, I would have a vested interest in seeing enforcement into my competition, I think. So, these are kind of questions

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that are going to have to be answered. But, but currently, we cannot collect sales tax, we cannot charge a registration fee, and we cannot enforce the TDT unless we change

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Like, can we change to that? I thought that the county had that pre-2011. I don't think we can add it. No, when I was on TV, see, we didn't have Okay. That was an issue. I don't think they had an element in their code that restricted the single-family residences from being

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short-term rentals. Okay. Whereas, we have the definition that clearly contains single-family residential and multi-family residential underneath our transient lodging. It was just the way our definition was, and it happens to have been that way for couple of decades.

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Mhm. So, in that, we had a protection without realizing we had a protection. Right. So, your opinion is we maintain the status quo,

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and you handle the uh complaint issues uh case-by-case basis. Respectfully, my my opinion is I would like clear guidance from the dais. That's what I would like, and and whatever your will is, I will do that, sir. I I'm happy to

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maintain the status quo. I'm happy to do this here. Well, but look look I'll rephrase my question to the witness. [laughter] You currently have three cases you're working. Yes, sir. So, in your opinion, are Airbnbs Airbnbs

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a problem for your department currently? They are not a problem for my department. Okay. Violations of the code are occurring. I had a number of like good ideas. I put it out to uh District 1 um to see how they felt about it, and I got more

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engagement than I've had in a long time, since we've had the tree conversation downtown. Um but finding out, which was another reason why I requested that we have this conversation, is find out to get some clarity. But finding out now that if we touch it,

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you know, so um I'm not going to say all of the things that I wanted to say are out of the window now, but really it is because if I the thing that Patrick brought up was something that a couple of my residents brought up um and a lot of people said that they believe that they are an asset, they

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would just like some sort of enforcement on some things, which we are doing. I do believe that we do need to give you clear direction. We need to give you clear direction. Um but now having the information,

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it's it's I'm I'm just going to say leave it be for now until we can, you know, have further discussion on what it is that It is more complex than it appears at face value. It is very complex. Yeah. And we've And we had this conversation years ago.

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The state legislature has it every year. Yeah. Um So, but I'm confused cuz I thought we could not add a registration requirement. We can't. You can't do anything. do anything. If you If you make any The city has a special gift that those

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cities that were not proactive prior to 2011 do not have. Okay. I thought I heard that the county added their registration and sales tax since 2011. Yeah, but they had different zoning that we had. Right. Their definition didn't to my

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understanding their definition did not include those vacation rentals under a definition that was the same as hotels and motels. Their STR. So, our all of our short-term rentals, whether it be a single-family house, a multi-family, an accessory dwelling unit

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in someone's backyard, or giant hotel, are all transient lodging. All fall within that definition. Right. So, their definitions were different and if somebody did a vacation rental in a house, it didn't have that catch-all in their definition from the

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way I understood what happened. So they their definition didn't encapsulate everything that ours does. So they they added in the registration fee because they didn't have a way to stop it from happening. Whereas our definition says you can't do it in a house. Our zoning says you can't

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do it in a house. You can't have a transient lodging in a house. have to look more into this cuz I don't see how that does Well, they changed or They added the registration fee because like us it was happening. But our definitions technically if we wanted to

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we could go and Tony's team could go out and close down all the short-term rentals that are in single-family homes that are not in commercial zones. Which is probably 95% of the ones that we have. There are like I said some houses that fall in GC-2 zoning

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[clears throat] just because of the overlap in zoning where we have. We have a lot of houses on Chatham Street, 13th Place, and stuff downtown. Summer SC-3, Sanford Avenue, things like that. If you're in a commercial zone and you have a single-family house, again you [laughter] have a special gift and you

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want to do an Airbnb, you're the only ones who can. But if the county didn't have a definition that protected them from transient lodging not being a permitted use in a single-family home, then they couldn't stop it from happening.

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So what is their registration fee? For air for the the transient lodging they So can we not don't know that you can like the state said we couldn't do it. I don't know. do I I I don't know if this week could add a registration I don't know what Seminole County is doing. I would have to look into their program. With regard

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to registration, some municipalities do registration just so that they know and can keep tabs on who is engaging in Airbnbs not as a restriction, but I simply want to know where Airbnbs are. Right. So that that can be a completely

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separate issue. My concern is any additions, registration, anything of that nature would be a modification of the code, which would cause the city to lose the grand protections that they have because

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the definition is so broad. So my recommendation would be as far as direction to code enforcement is whether you want to a no changes to the code because the risk are too severe and the penalties too severe because then it puts us back

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into this new statutory language that says you cannot legislate that issue at all, but decide whether you want to do case by case enforcement or do you want code enforcement to be out there specifically looking for those

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violations? See, that's kind of tough to get if somebody says, [clears throat] "Commissioner Britain, do you y'all allow Air BnB's in District 1?" No, but yeah, but just don't cause a ruckus. That that I mean, is that even legal?

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No. We tell them that it's not permitted. It is not a permitted use. respectfully should be that it is not permitted, Right. not hyphenated, nothing, that it's not permitted. And then it puts code enforcement in the rightful position of being able to look

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for violations. Now, and this is not a different conversation that we have with code enforcement violations, right? You can have someone who's violating code enforcement and they don't get around to it Okay. for a year or so, it doesn't negate the violation Mhm.

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as to how quickly the issue is addressed. Okay. So, I mean, and this is probably another conversation where maybe I just need to sit down with Tony and Eileen and just ask a bunch of questions to get an answer. But one of the there's some some pros and some cons.

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One of the cons is the possibility of losing that neighborhood kind of thing, right? Um but we if we I hate when I can't articulate what it is I'm I'm truly trying to say. We In in the historic district, we want to make

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sure that we keep it historic. We want to keep it, you know, family oriented. You want to be able to know your neighbors. We're getting a little afraid of losing that, um even though we do have a lot of residents who still live in the area

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having Airbnbs. If that becomes a concern, if we touch the code, then there's so many other things that come into play. But I guess I mean I'll just schedule to have a meeting with you two so I can dig deeper into it

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and then let my constituents know that, you know, what the what our code actually says. And then we can bring it back to the commission. But really, I just wanted to know what is allowed and what is not allowed. And based on our existing definition, we

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have a lot of protection that most jurisdictions don't. Just because back in the day somebody put in all of those different types of things that fall under short-term rentals or transient lodging. So if you're in it for a duration of

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time less than so many times, rent it out, advertise it for short-term rental, all of that is in that one definition. Mhm. Most people didn't have a comprehensive definition like that. Therefore, when the state released short-term rentals and said we control them now, if you don't have these things in place, they

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can appear in your community. Mhm. As to your other I think the thought where you were going was if you have a hundred houses in a given subdivision, as Tony alluded to before, if you have a hundred houses in a subdivision 75 of them turn out to be short-term rentals, I mean, where does

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that leave you as the person who wants to live there and have neighbors? You will never have neighbors. No one that can, you know, bring your trash can in when you go on vacation or someone you can lean on when your power goes out cuz a tree falls on your your lawn or anything like that cuz there's not

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neighbors now, it's not a neighborhood. In addition, it impacts the value of how much, you know, housing costs and rental rates because it also takes from the usable housing stock. Every house that's an Airbnb is one less house that someone

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can rent for long-term, you know, habitation, so to speak. You can't you can't get a lease for 1 year if it's being leased every 3 days. Are y'all experience any of this in your in your your districts? I literally

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haven't had any serious complaints, um, you know, other than me putting out there. I've seen people do some really great things with, you know, taking some old properties and rehabbing them. It was just recently I saw a a resident sent me a picture of an Innate bus in front because it was

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cheerleaders that were, you know, using one of the Airbnbs and that was a concern. Then that's when I was like, well, what's actually allowed? So, but I'm not the only one. Anybody else? It's It's been happening in my district

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for a while and there's several issues that have come up, but I have five on my Well, we had five. One was a problem. But the one was a problem cuz it didn't have an owner occup- didn't have an owner on site. And that one is

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no longer. There's one that's really popular out there. Um, so, Commissioner Britain brought up the bus thing. I wanted to ask just for public comment. If a bus pulls up in your neighborhood,

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it's not illegal. There's nothing currently against that. Am I wrong? You are not wrong. It, you know, predates me, but Mr. Presley before me had changed the code and you know, uh he went oversized vehicles. Right.

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And so, an oversized vehicle can be there for a period of 24 hours. Right. Uh and a rolling period of time. So, you you it as long as it was parked legally, right wheels to the curb, that kind of But, that But, that's a police department issue, not a code enforcement issue. No, if if it violates, the code

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enforcement can handle that. I really where I draw the line is I I prefer my code enforcement officers not stop, detain people, and issue citations. We kind of focus on the property, let the police officers stop and detain people. But, the reason I say that is because by the time you call code enforcement or go

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online, the bus is probably gone. But, the bus hasn't done anything illegal. Right. If it comes and goes, it's Well, no, but Good lord, I don't I I hate when I have to be so detailed. They pull up Friday night.

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Or they pull up Thursday night cuz you're off Friday. They pull up Thursday night, and they're still there Saturday and Sunday. What do they do? Call code enforcement. We have officers on nights and weekends now. We have officers that can respond to that. What an officer would do would respond to the

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scene and give them a reasonable time to cure it. Is there Is there a a 24-hour weekend number that they call for code enforcement? Uh the non-emergency number for the police department, what would happen is our officers would be contacted and they would go out there. Okay. Well, I don't have any direction.

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I I You you just have given me a lot of information and then just expect for me to sit down with you all. We'll coordinate the meeting whenever you're ready, Commissioner. I guess for anyone who would like to meet. Thank you, Eileen. I appreciate it. I I just like to get a definitive answer and we can still

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have a registration and do the sales tax and the TDC tax. Not without changing I I will I will look into it. My definitive answer is no. Well, that's what I thought, too. Right, but I will just double-check it or see why Seminole County Or how did they add something? something like that. But I believe any

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changes to the code is going to be a loss of those revenues. Yeah, as I remember as I remember that conversation when the county went to it, the difference was between licensing and registration. We can't license them, but we can register them. But the registration would require a change to code and you would thereby lose everything.

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Exactly. But I will I will say this, though the only the only caveat they may have is that they're not enforcing it. It's a voluntary program, kind of like our chicken club. I guess, right?

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Our chicken club is voluntary, right? for that, sir. So You got a line on any roosters for me? Let me know where they are. Okay. And one last thing, um Claudia Thomas Um and I think we I don't know how many of us received Jean Craftmyer's

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email. Um basically what he's requesting we can't do. Um but I just wanted to um Claudia had asked that we make sure we address that, which was the um having um uh residential owners

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on site, which we cannot make that a requirement. Um and that we should be working on getting a hotel downtown, which we are. We are. times two point two of all of her requests. Well, there were there were a there were quite a few requests, but it doesn't make

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Yeah. Thank you. Um goodness. If it made good business sense for a hotel to be downtown, it would be here. I've been in those discussions numerous times. We've we've courted hoteliers many times.

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There's that thing called ROI, return on investment. Yeah, but our average residents don't know that. They just why I'm saying it. Yeah. Okay. Um next is the hiring freeze, which I asked to um

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discuss. Uh cuz my gut is it's a little premature. I don't know. Um but then I also want to clear clarification um cuz the list I I received had

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enterprise positions and general fund positions. Are we only freezing general fund positions or are we freezing all positions? And who can answer these questions? Just general fund? Okay, so

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whenever I got this a couple of weeks ago, that was a police officer, an engineer, a recreation facility coordinator, a groundskeeper, the logistics coordinator for the fire department, which just I think a year ago we thought was a really important

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position. Um a code enforcement officer, a maintenance worker, I'm not sure where that is, and a plans examiner. How many is that in total, Art? I'm sorry. Eight in a row? Eight. And I know we already know this, but for

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the record, why are we freezing? Um because of the possible um cut and property tax revenue. And we we kind of talked about this before, but I mean, well, the city manager isn't here. Have we talked about

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just restructuring some things at City Hall. I'm not sure that we've had any real I could I could provide that when Cindy and Mr. Bonaparte and I met about this, we wanted to prepare accordingly for what's coming maybe in property tax, but we didn't want to overreact. So, the

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primary concern was if we hired these positions, filled these positions, and we had to make some cuts in the future, it and within a year, would it is it appropriate to do that? You know, hire someone then we had to

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let them go within a year. So, that was the primary concern is when we made our decision. So, we decided to put a hiring freeze. Now, the city manager does have the discretion with the department has to have that discussion, and I think he's had a couple already. Um where if the department director can justify

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replacing that position, it'll be granted. So, there is some discretion on the city manager on that part. Well, I would hope that any of our positions uh department head would be able to justify the position because they justified them when we created the position.

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Well, I think so. I don't want to speak for any department [laughter] directors, but I think maybe some department directors did have a concern of hey, if I hire this position, I don't want to lay them off in 6-8 months from now. So, maybe they did have some hesitancy of filling this position

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just because what's on the horizon. So, just wanted to put that out there. I'm not sure uh I I haven't been in those meetings with the department director and the city manager, but I understand that may have happened. Well, due to what's coming on the

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horizon or may or may not, um is this the just the beginning of that conversation the hiring freeze or Yeah. Okay. Because I think and we kind of talked about this a little bit um more so I think it was Patrick that was

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leading the conversation when he was talking about outsourcing. Excuse me, Commissioner Austin. Outsourcing and I was saying that we needed to do some cross training and looking at some restructuring because I was looking at our chart you know today and [clears throat] you know this is a tough conversation

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for me to have because the our employees are so important to me and working with them for so many years many of them are our friend my friends but however I'm looking at departments that don't have anybody to truly to manage um and I do believe that there are some

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restructuring and some cross training that we could do so that we can be able to maintain our parks and our public facilities if um the city manager did some restructuring uh within the departments

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so that we could save jobs instead of having I was here when we had to do the uh furloughs and um when our department heads had to take some some cuts as well so I'm just

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wondering if that's going to be a part of the conversation when we're talking about what's on the horizon. I I don't I don't find this is overreactive at this point. Uh overreactive would be for me to say let's go ahead and cut the budget $9

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million this year to prepare. Um and at that point we are eliminating we're going to have to eliminate probably even departments. Uh so um I'm I'm for the I'm for the hiring

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freeze with the caveat of uh discretion on on what positions may be replaceable may not and that's how some of your restructuring will happen internally. Okay. Uh cuz there's there's always positions open that we

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haven't filled right? Am I wrong? We always have positions open, right? Um and so uh a hiring freeze stops us currently and also in the future if

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so-and-so leaves. So-and-so leaves. So-and-so leaves. Well, do we really need to replace Patrick? No. Okay? Yeah, so that's where the hiring freeze uh comes into play. So

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Oh, wait. Explain that to me. Now Now, Patrick, you're saying we're we're putting a hiring freeze on these eight, but if someone leaves, then that position becomes frozen, too. That's frozen, too. Yeah. So everything Anybody that leaves between now and whenever the hiring

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freeze is lifted Right. uh stays vacant. That's And that's my concern. Um you know, November 5th, we may have a different story. I think it's November 5th, is it? I think so. Mhm. Um but

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to just And And I'm glad to hear he's considering um hiring some of them. I hope he is very um he leans toward filling positions rather than keeping them vacant. Um

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until we know for sure. Wait. And obviously, you know, and then we will have an entire year of of positions that can become open and be vacancies. Explain that to me again. Are you saying you're filling, but but freezing? I'm lost. You said you were you were glad

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that he was looking towards filling positions. Yeah. But I thought you said All the current openings He's talking to individual department heads about the positions. Uh-huh. And so I'm hoping that means that um he will

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lean more towards filling rather than taking a hard line on not filling Mhm. until we get to the vote in November. And then we still have an entire year. Um of you know positions that can become open.

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But how many more become open in the next however many months that is? 6 months? 4 months? Is that department head and does that include everybody? Here's my question. Please make it simple. If

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Craig left left during the hiring freeze, that means that we have no deputy city manager and that's a part of the freeze or it does it include everyone from maintenance worker one all the way up to the city manager? Yeah. All employees, all positions.

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Now, there's some enterprise funds like we talked about you know, that's just general funded positions. Okay. [clears throat] And Craig um I thought you were volunteer. You really should take your show on the road. [laughter]

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Um Okay. So, I I think I saw an email. Forgive me y'all. It there's so many emails. Um but you there was like a timeline of discussion that that is happening. Um I I think that Norton put put on one of

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the emails. But let me just just ask this. What's what's the timeline because we're running out of time to be honest that we're having these discussions. So, come November we're not like you know, hey, well, we're on the chopping block. I think it benefits our employees too

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for them to know look, this is what we are facing. Um when we had the recession back in 2010, I worked at the county. I didn't know. And it just came. I was out of a job. I it's I I think we owe it to help

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prepare. That's why I'm asking how are we having What's the timeline on the discussions that we're having? Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, I do. And I think and I hope just my recommendation is I was going to remind you later in the meeting. We have a July 8th budget work session coming up for 3:00 and I was going to remind you

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that. Maybe we have that discussion at the budget session just to kind of prepare. I'm glad you reminded me of that. Yeah, I was going to remind you. So, um I think that would be the appropriate time to talk about this. Okay. And we One other thing is is it's it's voted on in November.

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The first year it affects us is probably is it 28? So, we still we have a year before we have for the first cut. Right. We have a year before the first cut and then we have another year before the

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next cut. And that's the one that's going to As far as dates, I just wanted to clarify um it would become effective the next budget that we would be working on. Right. Departments, we have usually have to have a balanced budget by March, the end

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of March in order to get that presented to you. Right. Um so, we really only have four or five months Yeah, but you don't have four We don't have four or five months for the 9 million. Right. We have four or five months for the million. Yeah.

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Yeah. Four or five months from November. Yes. To have a balanced budget put together. And that's just year one, right, Cindy? Yeah, year one. Okay. Thank you, Cindy, for the clarification. Appreciate that. Okay.

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So, let me ask a question while we're on the subject, Professor. Um those figures from the the tax collector or property appraiser

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are the properties that that currently on the roll? He doesn't know what projects will be or being completed that will be on the roll. Yeah, [clears throat] my understanding is that does not include a estimate of additional properties. It's

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based on if nobody built anything new and if nobody homesteaded anything new. So, there are This is what it would be. So, there are things in the pipeline right now that will be coming in Mhm. to also offset that 9 million.

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Mhm. Right. [clears throat] Not not yet. Okay. What? Yeah. The the bleeding won't be as as harsh as we're seeing. I just I want to clarify that that we're not Well, I ignore all that. Just for for

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for a perspective, I went back and looked. Um 2008 to 2009, going into the 2009 budget, was a 14% decrease. We eliminated 16 positions that year. Um

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this at the current value is an 18% decrease in budget. So. Yeah. So, it's it will be harder than what we did in 2009 and in 2010 we had the room to

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raise the military. So. Anyway. Well, so do we have agreement that we would like for the city manager to be like a better word, generous

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in deciding to allow hiring department by department? Uh I'm not sure what you're asking. I'm just excuse my ignorance. Okay, so Okay. So, we'll go with the police officer cuz

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Cuz the first one on the list. The chief goes and says, "Look, we need all the police officers we can get. Here's what I need, yada yada." Do we want him to say, "Oh, no, we got a hiring freeze, you're not getting a police officer." Or do we want him to lean towards,

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"Okay, you've made a reasonable case. We do have a lot of turnover in police officers over the course of the year. Go ahead and hire this one." For me, for me, I'm saying, "Let's stick with the the freeze because that doesn't affect who what we have currently

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versus what Craig was saying, we would hate to hire and then have to turn around and then let go or possibly during the restructuring have to let a maintenance worker one go because at this point the city needs that additional police officers. So, it's

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like, "Okay, do we keep someone in parts or do we keep someone that, you know, has to do without public safety?" So, if that's a precaution where we can keep employees with them keeping their jobs with a little restructuring, then I would say, "Let's freeze for now." And

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that helps us to be proactive when it comes to whatever shortfall. That's just me. Hey, it's not like you have to finalize this today. Right. I mean, if it's a great opportunity freeze is in place now. The freeze is in place. But I think I I'm sort of agreeing with

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Commissioner Britton, I think, in that I want the decisions to be strategic, not just we have a freeze, so any position that's vacant stays vacant. Yes. Strategically, is there are there positions that we really should fill and we leave the other ones vacant?

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But I don't like your word generous. Yeah. Okay, well, I said it wasn't the best word. Yeah. Okay, Stu, be be strategic. Yeah. All right, it sounds like there's not a clear direction there. Well, let's give them some direction. I mean, we got 2 seconds to think about it.

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I I we were good with that. Okay, Good. So, we're okay with him strategically Yes. filling position. I'm not speaking for you, I'm not Sheena or Commissioner Brent. All right. Okay. So, then we finally get to planning 101.

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Okay. Eileen's coming up to do our planning 101 presentation. I know we're doing cutbacks, but you deserve a raise because you live at the You need a seat up here. [laughter] Okay. So,

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I don't really know where you want to go with this because it's planning 101 is pretty broad. Mhm. So, um you know, several of us have talked and several of us talked about listening to what you've said from the grand meeting that you had and they think you want to learn more about

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planning and what it is and what we do. We decided we were going to start with the comp plan. It's the most important [clears throat] because it's the elemental and fundamental part of what planning builds on. So, to understand the comp plan, we're doing

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presentation number one. Purpose, legal framework, and your roles as commissioner. How's that comp plan? Okay. So, at any point, if you want additional work sessions So, as we do We're going to We're not going to cover all of planning in one

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Mhm. So, uh work sessions for you want to know more topics, expand, but I'm going to start here and what you feel like you need more information on, that's what Excuse me. Okay.

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So, All right. Why is introduction matters. All right. Why this introduction matters. So, consistency is the law. Every land use vote you cast has to be consistent with the comprehensive plan.

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The legal exposure is real. So, inconsistent decisions exposes the city to legal challenges. Better outcomes for our city and our community. A well-understood plan leads to better development outcomes for Sanford residents. It actually works toward what

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the community wants for themselves and as a commission, what you want to see for the community. And then it also gives you the ability to lead with confidence. The more you know about the comp plan, the more you know about what what decisions you're making and how it'll have long-term

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impacts, it gives that confidence when you're voting up or down a request. So, understanding the plan is not optional though. It's a foundation of every decision that you make as a commissioner. So, it starts with the state law.

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Florida law requires that every city and every county adopt a comprehensive plan. It's not optional. It's mandated by chapter 163, part two of the Florida statutes. The purpose is straightforward. It guides how the land is used, how the infrastructure is funded, and how

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communities grow. So, growth needs to be in an orderly, planned way rather than just haphazard. So, it starts with the law saying that Sanford's comprehensive plan is its own rule book. The state sets the framework. It says the goals, objectives, and policies

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inside your plan were written by and for Sanford. So, think of it as the state says you have to have a plan, and Sanford says, "Here's our plan. This is how we choose to grow." So, the comprehensive plan is not a suggestion. It's not guidelines. It's

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the law that governs every land use decision that the city commission makes. So, myths versus facts. So, the myth, comprehensive plan is just a suggestion. Fact, it has the force of law. All development

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must conform with the comp plan. Sometimes. Cuz there's always those exceptions to the rule that we're seeing. That's another reason why I'm asking for the 101 because we see sometimes that there are um

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we make exceptions to the rule. be making exceptions to the comp plan. Now, there are land development regulations that are designed around the comp plan. So, the land development regulations are created to

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implement the grander plan. So, the goals objectives of policies say, we want mixed use in this area and we want residential and commercial and then the land development regulation says, this is how we want our commercial to look. This is how we want our

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residential to look and this is how we want them to interact together. Mhm. The land development regulations can be varied as long as you don't go build industrial where it says you were supposed to only have residential or commercial. Okay. So, if you don't violate the comp plan, you can vary the land development

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regulations. You can change them. You can do plan developments, but that comp plan has to be adhered to. Our LDRs, we can tweak. Yes. So, you can do variances, conditional uses, plan developments as long as

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nothing that you tweak in your [clears throat] site specific regulations or code related regulations violates your state mandated plan. Okay. Okay. So, zoning and the comprehensive plan are the same thing.

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Wrong. The comprehensive plan provides policy framework and the zoning translates that into development standards, also known as land development regulations. So, the myth is once adopted, that plan cannot change.

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Untrue. Amendments follow the structured process and public hearings and state review. We are actually required to amend that plan on a regular basis. Let's pause. How often uh Lindsay, are we allowed to

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amend the comprehensive plan? Or like is there a a limit on how many times we can change the comprehensive plan? Does it have to go before vote like with like a city vote? Is it something that the commission can change? How does that

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that work? Yes. It has to go through the the review process that the original process went through. Right. What's the original process? Like a public hearing, we, you know, you can amend it because you want to see something amended or an applicant come in and ask [clears throat]

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for an amendment for something. It just depends on who's initiating it. Either way, it has a public hearing before planning and zoning commission. It has two public hearings before the city commission. On the first public hearing, you do what's called a transmittal hearing,

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then we send it to the state, the state reviews it, and then they bring it back saying that they have objections or no objections. So, our comp plan is not like our charter where you don't have to take it before public vote. No. Or you do?

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Well, the public vote is the forum here in which you give the public an opportunity. Okay. So, it's an open public hearing, and you can take comment from the public. Actually, it's it's required that you allow the public to speak on

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land use changes, on comp plan changes. It's the one of the main focuses of making sure you have community input in your community plan. So, um it follows a structured process,

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planning and zoning commission, city commission, state review before you can actually adopt a new regulation or standard within a goal, an objective, or policy change within your comprehensive plan. Okay. Okay. So,

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commissioners can approve projects that conflict with the plan if there's community support. No. No. Approval of inconsistent development orders can be overturned through legal challenge. So, if you were to approve something that violates the comprehensive plan,

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like putting residential where residential's not allowed per the comprehensive plan or maybe the complaint says you can have 20 dwelling units per acre and never more and you approve something that's 42 dwelling units per acre, you've now violated the comprehensive plan.

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That can be challenged legally because you didn't adhere to the plan that was adopted. So, what is a comprehensive plan? It's a long-range policy guide for growth and development. It's not a zoning map. It guides the zoning, but it's broader in scope. So, like I said

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before, you've got a big plan and then the zoning regulations themselves lay out how you want to implement that plan. So, the comprehensive plan is the foundation on which all the land use

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decisions in Sanford must rest. So, what else is a comprehensive plan? It's a legally binding document with the force of law. It is not a wish list and it carries out our statutory obligations to control the growth within the city and

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grow in a manner which the community has made the community and the commission has made as our rules of Sanford, our land law. Mhm. So, mhm. um it's a blueprint. We cover at

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least a 10 to 20-year into the future plan. So, when we do our regular updates, there's what's called an EAR, the evaluation and appraisal report. The evaluation and appraisal report is every 7 years, and in that time, we have to make sure

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that our comp plan covers 10 to 20-year projections or further. Those are based on statistical analysis analyses analyses from the past into the future based on growth, population, census, and so on.

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So, it's not static. It has to be evaluated, and it has to be updated regularly. So, what you'll see in July, I think it's August. No, it's July. We have the um

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the EAR going before the Planning and Zoning Commission in July, so you should see it in August. Okay. For um what we are doing the best of our ability with that whole Senate Bill 180, we're making our projections up-to-date,

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and then we're identifying what we need to change, but we're not changing anything that would violate 180. So, we're going to present to them the best we can with that which they've given us the opportunity to be able to modify the plan, but we are still going to fix it so that we meet our 10- and 20-year

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projections. Okay. So, it's static. We're still updating it. There are some parameters in which we're trying to work with, but we're still continuing to update it. So, that'll be presented to you soon. Okay. And then, what is the comprehensive plan? It is a living

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document. It's updated through those formal amendments, and it's not optional. State law mandates adoption, and it mandates maintenance. So, no public or private development shall be permitted except in conformity with

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the comprehensive plan. That's directly out of the state statutes. This means [clears throat] every zoning, every site plan, every plat, every development order the commission acts upon must be consistent with our adopted plan. Inconsistencies approved inconsistent approvals can be challenged

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by an affected party under those statutes. So, a comprehensive plan amendment is adopt a comprehensive plan is adopted. The commission adopts the goals, the objectives, and policies that set the vision and the growth. The land development regulations are

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then enacted. So, zoning, your subdivision rules, all of those regulations that you create though from multi-family to commercial zoning to all of those elements have to be consistent with that plan. So, site plans, rezonings, plats,

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variances when they get approved and development orders are issued for specific sites to do specific types of development, they have to meet that plan. And then judicial review is available if an affected party comes before the the city, speaks, said

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I live next door, I feel that what you're approving is inconsistent with the comp plan A, B, and C, and you approve it anyway saying we believe that it is consistent with the comp plan A, B, and C, that party has the ability to challenge in court the action that you've made. So, that's why it's very

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important that both staff's report conveys to you what the comp plan says and that you, when making your decision, um I don't want to say agree with, but you also find what the staff has found

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to be what what that comp plan says. Okay. So, Oh, wait. I think I have a sentence at the bottom. So, the key principle, each level has to be consistent with the one above it to create a top-down legal framework. Protects both the city's vision and the rights of the affected

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parties. So, what happens before any element of the comp plan, rezone, any of those meet you. So, it says, we meet with the applicants. The applicants then file, the staff does a review, we do internal

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meetings, we do external meetings, sometimes with the attorney, sometimes with I mean, commissioners at times. Mhm. We generate a staff report, the agenda packet comes before whether it be the planning and zoning commission, they make a recommendation to you or there's very few that come directly to

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you, but things like annexations, they come directly to you. Then it's your vote. So, what happens? It says, before any development project comes to the city commission for a vote, professional staff reviews it against the conference of plan. Go line by line for elements

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that are related to the project. So, staff compares the project to each relevant goal, objective, and policy. We check the future land use map, we verify densities, intensities, limits, concurrency requirements, environmental protection elements, and compatibility standards.

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So, the result is a staff report in your agenda packet, sometimes quite extensive and long, but this is a staff report in your packet advising exactly which policies the project complies with and which ones it does not and why. So, although staff does not make the final decision, you do, the staff report

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is your road map giving you factual policy-based foundations for your vote. Mhm. So, the staff report is your evidence and when you cite it in your motion, you're building the legal record that protects the city. So, consistency is not optional. The

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statutes are unambiguous. After a conference of plan has been adopted, all development orders, all land development regulations must be consistent with that plan. So, this means if a project is inconsistent with the comp plan, if it exceeds density caps, fails concurrency,

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or conflicts with adopted policies, the commission cannot legally approve it. So, if it's an inconsistent project and you approve it anyway, Florida statutes gives any affected party standing to file a legal challenge, and that means residents, neighboring property owners,

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advocacy groups can take the city to court. So, the consistency requirement is your shield and not your obstacle. This is when you deny a project based on documented plan inconsistency, your decision stands on the legal solid legal ground.

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So, after comprehensive plan {dot} {dot} {dot} has been adopted, all development orders shall be consistent with the plan, straight out of statutes. So, a well-documented finding of fact ties to specific goals, objectives, and policies. It's your strongest defense against legal challenges, regardless of

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whether you approve or deny a project. So, the elements in the comprehensive plan, the required elements, future land use element, conservation element, transportation, intergovernmental coordination, housing, recreation and open space, public facilities and infrastructure, capital improvement, and property rights.

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So, optional elements that we have, there are others, but the ones we have, we have a public school facilities element, we have a resilience element, and we have a general monitoring monitoring and public participation element. If you remember a few years back, we had

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to do a property rights element. It was new. The state came out and said, "All comp plans must now have a property rights element." So, we did that, and we updated the comp plan, and we adopted a property rights element. Mhm. So, coastal communities must also include a coastal protection element. As

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an inland city on Lake Monroe, Sanford is not subject to this requirement, but we do have a resilience element to assist us in some of the components as we grow relating to flooding and other elements that, you know, require resilience to proceed.

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So, your responsibilities under the Community Planning Act. One, adopt and amend the plan. You are the final authority on the plan adoption and amendments after a public hearing. Ensure consistency. Every development order you approve must be consistent

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with that plan. Mhm. Final implementa- I'm sorry. Fund implementation. Capital improvements must align with the plan's priorities. So, the plan has how, you know, our water, our sewer, our police, all of our infrastructure

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elements. There are capital improvement components as well as public safety components. Your implementation and funds from the city have to support this plan. Then, direct evaluation. You oversee periodic evaluation appraisal reports,

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which I just talked to you about, to keep the plan current. And then, you have to champion public participation. Ensure meaningful public engagement throughout the process. Are you in it? For comprehensive plan amendments, yes. They're not frequent. We don't have a lot of them.

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We did not do a lot with the current EAR because as noted, it was statistical updates only at this time. We're just doing what we can in order to be able to not violate Senate Bill 180. Mhm. The statistical elements were straight fact. Um when we do go to do additional

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changes to the comp plan, we will be doing public meetings. Our last EAR, we did public meetings. The resilience element, we did public meetings during COVID. Mhm. We did some of them online, some of them in person, some of them in this chamber. So, we do public participation

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for comp plan amendments. And then, in addition, they get the public hearing before the Planning and Zoning Commission and two public hearings before the City Commission before anything is adopted. So, there is ample opportunity for applicants to participate. We just have to encourage

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them to do so. Um and as noted, so public hearings, they have a minimum of two public hearings required. The transmittal and the adoption hearings are mandatory for large-scale amendments. So, large-scale amendments are anything, text amendments, any EARs, and anything

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Currently, I think it's 50 acres or more. They upped it. It used to only be 10, and now I believe it's 50. Um standing to challenge, the affected parties, persons who submitted comments during the proceedings, they may challenge plan amendments if they feel

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that it violated the comprehensive plan in doing whether you approved or denied. And then, alternative dispute resolutions are encouraged by statute. It encourages ADR to dis- resolve disputes before litigation.

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And then, keeping the plan current, evaluation and appraisal. So, each local government must evaluate its comprehensive plan to determine if amendments are necessary to reflect changes. Evaluation must assess whether the plan objective relating to major issues have been achieved. Staff notifies the state

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landing land planning agency of its determination and schedules for updates. And failure to maintain an up-to-date plan can limit our ability to amend our plan. So, if we don't do our EAR, we can't do any other text amendments until we do our EAR. So, if we find out

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An example on this, a few years back, we had an industrial um our industrial segment of the land use element. There was a piece in there that we added three words. And that opened up the ability to do medical

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elements inside. So, it was for I think a dialysis center that wanted to open in an industrial zone. It didn't allow for medical. It only allowed regular office and then industrial type uses. There's no reason why medical type uses shouldn't be in an industrial zone. So, we added three or four words. But in

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order to do that, we had to be up to date with our EAR. So, our EAR was up to date and we were able to do that, but if we wanted to change those three words so that we could allow for medical uses in an industrial zone, we couldn't do it unless our EAR and all of our amendments

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were up to date. So, That's a lot. The key takeaways from today, comprehensive plan is our legally binding roadmap for growth and development. The Florida Community Planning Act requires adoption, consistency, and periodic evaluation. Every development order you act on must

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be consistent with the adopted plan. You have the authority and obligation to adopt, amend, and implement the plan, and public participation and transparency protect both the community and the commission from legal risk. [clears throat] Questions?

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I don't have questions, but I do I do do have a statement. So, like it and and this is for the public that might be watching or when I refer people to our this lesson on um 101. The reason is is to become an elected official, you do not have to

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know anything about the city of St. Pete, not even the address of City Hall. All you have to do is qualify, live in the district, pay your fees, and I not be a registered voter. We do not come equipped with this information, so a lot of it is

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on-the-job training. I ask more questions than the average commissioner because I refuse to sit up here and just say move to approve, and I do not know what I'm approving on behalf of the people. The reason why I'm asking for this is because in my next 4 years, I plan to

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challenge the comprehensive plan on behalf of the people. I also plan to use the plan to defend the city on both ends, but I want to be able to like get deep into it so I know what I'm doing on behalf of the people. And for who everybody is that's watching or may not

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watch, it's not that we don't know what's going on. That's why each director is here at a meeting because we don't work in this thing for 40 hours, but I do think that we do a disservice to our community if we do not know like how to defend the the comp plan, how it

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actually works. Um and that's why I'm asking for this. And then it's important that we learn it on city time cuz we all have regular lives. But again, we don't know everything that goes like deep into this, right? You all do. And

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so that's why I'm asking, you know, for you all to to do. And I'm not asking for this for any of the other commissioners. I'm saying for Commissioner Braden, I thought we needed a one-on-one. And I think when we bring in new people, there should be some kind of true orientation.

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For me, my first week as a commissioner, we had to shut City Hall down. I think it was like Yeah, we started putting tape right after we did the interviews. When Art became the [snorts] mayor, we went right into COVID. So there really was no time for me to dig into

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our comprehensive plan, even though it we have it here, but the book is you know, and it changes all of the time. So that was just And the state is constantly making changes. It does change. I It seemed like every meeting it changes.

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Not the comprehensive plan. No, not the comprehensive plan, but our LDR regulations and everything that goes in it cuz sometimes I look at one thing that we present and then the next thing I'm like, well, we allowed this to happen, but we're we're standing firm on, you know, this project. So now what

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When you're equipped with the knowledge, then I can actually say, "Okay, I see why Eileen said that because we have a little wiggle wiggle room with the LDRs." Sometimes I get our comprehensive plan mixed up with our city charter. You know, I'm just like, "Well, I thought we could not do that, but the

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rules are different, right?" But again, we don't we're not in that 40 hours a week. We're up here with an agenda that we get Thursday and have to make All right, I cannot stand when you look at me like that. I'm entitled to ask questions because I'm going to do my job to the best of my ability. Um let me just stop cuz I don't like

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when you look at me like that. Okay. I mean you [snorts] wanted to have the session and we all we're here for Yes, but you look like you're so confused because I'm doing my due diligence to make sure that the people that voted for me are are getting that their return on investment,

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but you're like, "What are you talking about?" I don't like that. I think that's rude and inappropriate. Well, okay. Well, what I was really thinking was a lot of this is covered in the um sessions that League of City does for new elected officials. No, it's not. It It is It It It's covered, but it's not covered Our

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comprehensive plan is not the state of Florida's comprehensive plan. What we do in the city of Sanford is different what Lake Mary, Altamonte uh Orange County, Seminole County, Volusia County, it is different. This is our own bi- It is not the same. And you can see that

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that meeting, and I have been to a lot of them, but that is a lot to grasp if you're coming just from off of the campaign trail and then you're getting all of this information in an hour session. There is no way you can comprehend all of that. No way. Now, I know you are an educator

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and you might be able to take on a little bit more than than me, but me, I want to actually know exactly what our plan says and how we operate within it. And there's no There's no conference that's going to give you what Eileen

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just gave me. None. Can I finish my sentence now? Yeah, you can, but I just I don't look at you crazy. And the other thing I was going to say was, you know, we all should be spending a lot of time reading the comprehensive plan. We shouldn't depend just on

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the agenda files. Nope. So Okay, I hope you're saying that in general and not at me. Because I cuz there's nobody up here that that questions and and ask more questions than me and gets deeper into my agenda. My whole book is always

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highlighted and written over or whatever. Again, I say because I'm doing my job. Well, congratulations. Well, you're welcome. Thanks. That really is the people that I appreciate it. And I would say we are all doing our job. I but then that's why I said I'm I'm

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talking about me. Okay. Me. Any other questions about um plan? Okay. So, the next presentation should be more about our plans specific, but given that, is there anything you want me to

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focus on? Cuz this was really broad. And just basically to let you know that the comp plan is law. It's not something that, you know, it's a book of suggestions and we can or we cannot. It really is law. So, we have ours, as noted, comp plan, Yefic. Anything in it

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that you want to start with or you just want to start with the basic stuff on future land use and how we apply it as opposed to jumping into capital improvements or something like that? Or do you want a breakdown of what's in our comp plan next? Like what is in it?

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All the pieces. That's what I'm asking. What What do you want us to focus on next from when we start putting together our next presentation? I like the breakdown. A breakdown of what's in the comprehensive our comprehensive plan. Yes. Okay. Okay. So, that's what I'll we'll try.

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I mean, it's just not just me, at So. Okay. Anything else? No. All right. Um Thank you, Eileen. Any right Yeah, thank you, Eileen. Thank you, Eileen. Any regular meeting items to discuss? Um I just want to remind you, as I

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mentioned earlier, Wednesday, July 8th is our budget work session for your calendars. And that's also for public information at 3:00. Is it 3:00 or 2:00? We had said 2:00. 2:00? Okay, do you want 2:00, good, Cindy? Okay.

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Okay. Okay. And we also have an alternate day of July 15th if we run out of time, so and that's it. 3:00 as well. On 15th. So, the 8th and the 15th. How about Patrick? We'll see.

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What day is the 15th? What day of the week is it? Wednesday as well. The week after the You want me to talk about doing that one later, then? Yeah. That works. Okay. But, so no no on the 15th? No on the 8th. Not no on the 15th. We may set it at a later time.

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Okay. All right. We'll just see how the 8th goes, then. Yes. Okay. Okay, anything else? Just wanted to see if you guys had any questions on the regular meeting agendas while staff and everyone's here. We have five second readings and a couple other handful of consents. If there's any questions,

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staff can answer for you. We're available. That's it, Mayor. Thank you. Okay. Um I wanted to bring up um Actually, just one thing now. Um with campaign season ramping up, did

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Tony leave? Okay. All right. Well, we'll pass this on. Okay, so no one up here is actually running in this So, no one up here um is directly affected by this, but every year we always have um

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I guess issues is the best word of um when campaign signs start coming out, and our code says no signs in the right-of-way. And every year there are signs in the right-of-way. I've suggested we change

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the code some, but um that hasn't happened. And then so our code is that signs can't be in the right-of-way. And each year, it's sort of uh decided along the way

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when or if code enforcement is going to start enforcing that. And usually it's not until someone from up here complains. So, I was wondering if we could get a preemptive um how do we want code enforcement to

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handle campaign signs? Could we show the community what right of way is? Sometimes we fail to realize that people don't know exactly what the right of way is. You have lots of people who may pick up their signs from a campaign fundraiser, or someone might

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drop off a a sign, or you have volunteers who might put things out and are not not sure what's the the right of way. We know what like the median is, but you know, maybe that will that will help. I don't think people who are running their race

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are trying to do the wrong thing, and they I mean you have to work hard for those signs. I mean the uh yard signs. So, they don't want those to be, you know, picked up. That costs them money. So, maybe maybe if we help them to to

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understand exactly what is the right-of-way, and it's not allowed here here and here, maybe that might help. help with education there, Commissioner. I don't uh He's not here, but I I don't believe that they pick them up and throw them away right away. I think they do give

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the candidates an opportunity to pick them up. Much like that has varied from year to year. Much like Well, much much like they handle a lot of other signs that are put in the right-of-way all year long. Um so, uh I I

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We need to Cuz I'm tell last time I got caught. Well, somebody got caught last time. I don't know how long they do it, but I'd ask. They was already in the dumpster. Right. Yeah, we used to And I know there were times that and this I've always tried to follow the

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rules. But I know every I my first year running and my neighbor and I had a ongoing fight with me kept moving his sign back into his yard and kept putting it back out by the curb. Um And so, you know, yeah, people don't

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know where they are and aren't allowed. Um but I know sometimes I can go pick up signs and sometimes um not. Um one I was talking to Tony about it. One idea was um

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you know, we're going to pick them up out of the right-of-way until the week before the election or something like that if we want to allow some leniency. Or just let them know we're picking them all up. He just wants direction ahead of time rather than waiting for someone to call him.

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You want to put it on the next workshop? No. Mhm. No, we do not need that. Mhm. No, I think we can get a quick consensus here. Yeah. How hard do you want it enforced? I Yeah. It's just a couple months. It's only for a month.

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Yeah, it's not that serious. Do we just I mean, we are allowing it for a month. issue for a certain candidate, let's try to get a hold of them. Let's uh reach out to them. I don't think it's done purposefully. Right. It's not.

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Uh and Commissioner Britton's um and I don't know what you mean by purposefully. Well, there's overzealous There's overzealous supporters that do it. signs end up in the corners on along First Street are very purposefully. Well, that's right. That's right leading up to the day of voting.

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They're not trying to violate. They just, you know, we don't have to make it that hard. But I don't know. No, he's cool. I don't have no skin He's on the bathroom. Okay. Has he left? What did he say?

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He's on the other line or he's on a call center. So, we can get a quick answer. All right, yeah. I don't I don't think uh [clears throat] I think it's such a short amount of time. I think they just handle it best they they see.

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Just let them know. I mean, if you see them trying to get it out of hand, tell them. If they do it, then you can I mean, the only problem with that is then they'll be accused of picking on one candidate. Then just leave it alone until say if if somebody gets out of hand, talk to them.

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Well, but we changed we changed the rules, you know this. We changed the rules from the registration fee, not getting your deposit back, blah yada yada yada, because that didn't work. Right, cuz everybody took that as if I pay my deposit, I don't I can do whatever I want. Yeah. So, we

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changed those rules. The rules aren't now a little more flexible. Um but still, if the right away is the right away and you're not supposed to put them there. It's just Okay, so do you want them to pick up the signs or not pick up the signs? No, just leave them be. There's some left.

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I want them to do whatever they want. He wants direction from us. We'll wait until he's here and discuss it again. Okay. Mr. Olson, anything? No. Mr. Wiggins, Mr. Brighton? No, sir. All right, we're adjourned.

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of the site that are bridged by the retention area. Doing that, the application um the applicant had originally requested reduction in buffers internally that staff did not support without creating that cross connectivity. Since the cross

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connectivity has now been established, we are in support of the reduction of the buffers internally because it becomes more of one one project instead of two. So, I just wanted to make sure that that was clear for when the motion is made that we are

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looking to reduce those internal buffers as noted in their request. >> Okay, is that in the um Is that in the >> on the master plan, I believe. >> Okay. >> We will make sure that it's it's clear in either the conditions or a reflection

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back to that master plan. >> Okay. All right, anything else? Any questions for staff? >> No, sir. >> Okay, this is a public hearing. Does anyone from the public wish to speak to the site? Seeing no one, I'll close the public hearing. Bring in commission fraction. >> Move to approve.

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>> Do we add the conditions? >> add the Would Would the conditions be in that they do everything that they say they were going to do? >> Yes, okay. [laughter] >> What are the conditions? Everything that is made by staff. >> There you go. >> Yes. So, we're good? >> Yes. >> All right. >> All right, second.

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>> All right, any further discussion? All in favor? >> Aye. >> Any opposed? Passed unanimously. Okay. Um second reading of 4856. >> An ordinance of the city of Sanford, Florida annexing by voluntary petition certain real property which is addressed

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as 3890 Kentucky Street and is located contiguous to the city of Sanford together with associated right of way in accordance with the voluntary annexation provisions of section 171.044 Florida statute, redefining the boundaries of the city of Sanford to

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include said property, amending the boundaries of the city in accordance with the provisions of section 166.031 Florida statute, providing for findings, providing for conditions, directing the clerk to record the ordinance with the clerk of the circuit court, with the chief administrative office of Seminole

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County, and with the Department of State, providing for legal description and a map, and providing for incorporation of that exhibit, repealing all ordinances in conflict herewith, providing for severability, providing for non-codification, and the taking up of administrative actions, and providing for an effective

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date. >> Mayor, members of the Commission, the property owners requesting annexation to obtain utility services in order to connect the city to city water and abandon their potable well. The City Commission approved Ordinance number 4856 on first reading on June 8, 2026.

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Staff's recommendation to adopt Ordinance number 4856 annexing 1.3 acres bearing the property address 3890 Construct Kentucky Street as legally described into the city. Okay, this is public hearing. Is anyone from the audience wish to speak to this

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item? Since no one, I'll close the public hearing and bring this to the Commission for action. >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> Motion is seconded. Further discussion? All in favor? >> Aye. >> Aye. Any opposed? Passed unanimously. Second reading of Ordinance 4859.

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>> An ordinance of the City of Sanford, Florida, providing for the PD rezoning of a parcel of real property totaling approximately 6.0 acres in size located at 1500 West 10th Street to establish the Hardwick Place PD,

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providing for findings and intent, providing for the taking of implementing administrative actions, providing for the adoption of a map by reference, providing for conflicts, providing for severability, providing for non-codification, and the correction of scrivener's errors, and providing for an

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effective date and potential reversion. >> Mayor, members of the Commission, on June 8, 2026, recommendation from staff and the Planning and Zoning Commission, the City Commission approved first reading ordinance number 4859 to rezone 6 acres at project addresses

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1500 West 10th Street, formerly known as 909 Mulberry, from MR3 multi-family residential to plan development, finding it consistent with the goals, objectives, and policies of the city's comprehensive plan, subject to the conditions in the staff report. Staff is

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available for any questions or for additional information if needed. Okay. Is there anything else you wish to say or anything extra anything to declare since our last meeting? >> I have nothing. >> Okay. And the staff, anything anything? Okay. Um

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This is about public hearing. Anyone from the audience wish to speak to this item? Okay, seeing no one, I'll close the public hearing. Bring Commission for action. >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> I have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? All in favor? >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Any opposed? Passed unanimously.

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Okay, that brings us to citizens participation. I have a couple of requests. First is Ismar Hernandez. You can come forward. You have 5 minutes. >> [clears throat] >> Good evening. >> Good evening. >> Thank you for hearing me. Good evening, Mayor, Commissioners, City

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Managers, and staff. My name is Ismar Hernandez. I live at 1013 West 12th Street in Sanford. I am a service-connected veteran, former law enforcement officer, and an ICU nurse. I am here to place a serious concern on the public record regarding code enforcement, public records taxes,

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disability accommodation, and an apparent non-consensual entry onto my residential property by a city-related worker. My property has a unique zoning history. My understanding is that parcel is general commercial with a single-family residence approved through development

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order 2119. The current code case alleges vehicle, trailer, and possible home occupation issues. I am not asking the city to ignore valid law. I am asking the city to clarify the identity and identify the legal

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basis being applied, the factual basis for the allegations, and they reasonable path to compliance. I have made multiple attempts to seek clarification from planning staff and code enforcement, but I have not received clear written answers. Since June 11, 2026, I have

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submitted public records requests seeking records beyond beyond public facing citizens served documents, including complaint origin records, emails, internal communications, public work records, work orders, ADA risk communications, and records concerning

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activity near my property. I have provided names, dates, search items, and categories, but I still do not have complete production, itemized statement, specific exemption response, or clear no records response from non-citizen served records. I also have security camera footage from

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June 8, 2026, around 1950 hours, showing showing a city-related worker entering the side rear area of my property near my home, boat, and private yard area without any warrant, work order, abatement order, emergency, or consent

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known to me or my family. I have documented this matter with law enforcement and preserved the footage. I am a service-connected disabled veteran with PTSD and migraines. I meet with city officials and provided VA documentation predating this matter that

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supports my therapeutic activities at home. I have requested reasonable ADA-related process accommodations, including written communication, clear explanations, advance notice for non-emergency property access, and a point of contact. The ADA applies to

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state and local government programs and requires reasonable modifications where needed unless doing so would fundamentally alter the program. I respectfully request that the city preserve all related records, review these matters at a supervisory level, pause escalation while records and

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accommodation issues are addressed, and provide clear written response. Thank you so much manual members for hearing me out on this important matter. >> Thank you. >> Um, any questions? >> What's the address again? >> 1013 West 12th Street, Sanford, Florida

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32771. >> West 3rd? >> I'm sorry, ma'am. I My English is a little 1013 West 12th Street. Sanford, Florida 32771. >> I don't know if we needed Yeah.

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>> Which one you all want to take it? >> I can address it. Um, so my understanding is that you received a notice of violation. Is it set for a hearing before the special magistrate? >> Not at this point. Uh >> Okay. It It will be set before the special magistrate. I will simply advise

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the commissioners to let it work through the process. In the interim, I will meet with code enforcement so that I can get more background information for this, but it would be appropriate for it to go through the process with the special magistrate. Also, I understand from your statements that there are some public records requests that you may have made.

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I will follow up with the clerk as to whether those have been received, and if so, what the appropriate response would be. >> Okay, but can we ask about protocol? Because it what what is what are our grounds to be on the property? I know that it needs to go through it, but are

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we are we supposed to especially if I heard him correctly, he has he submitted information about being a vet and having permission to be on the property. Are we allowed to be from what I'm hearing him say, are we allowed to access his property like that? >> I don't know what transpired,

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Commissioner, which is why I'd rather follow up with code enforcement first. You may have an instance where a neighbor has allowed access to view a potential violation. I don't know what has happened, but I will follow up with code enforcement and be able to get some background information, but should you

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get information, which you should, as to a special magistrate hearing concerning this alleged violation, you want to make sure that you respond and and present your testimony and evidence at that time. >> Thank you, Ms. Green. As for the

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comments that Commissioner Britain uh made, um my property does not have any adjacent neighbors, and it is uh video uh recorded at all times, okay? There was no consent, no questions, no

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work orders, and an earlier image I mean, earlier email from uh city records uh stated that there was no public works uh in this area. However, this employee was driving a city vehicle with lights

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marked on their Samford and entered on the side area, far different than a front entrance entrance approach. It was sometime after my wife and our son stepped outside going for a bike ride.

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At 19:15 on or around 19:50 hours. >> Okay. >> I will look into it, sir. Thank you. >> Thank you so much. >> Are you going to contact him? >> No, what I will do is follow up with Mr. Ramundo and decide whether any further actions need to be taken from there. Mr.

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Ramundo will likely follow up with him after I speak and figure out what has transpired. >> Okay. >> If I may, ma'am, uh my apologies, uh Mr. Woodruff. My uh my scope is just to try to manage this here

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before it just grows into something worse. So, I thought that it would be best if I come and face uh my community and try to seek clarification and then leave this for the record. I am not making any type of a statement or saying that this happened, but we

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need further clarification as to what occurred. >> Absolutely. When I find when I follow up with code enforcement, we can schedule a telephone conference with all of us to address the concerns that you have and once I get some background information as to what's transpired.

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>> Okay. Thank you so much. Amaris, thank you so much for hearing me. Yes, sir. Uh one last question. I don't mean to jeopardize your time. Can I leave uh these copies of this documentation for you? >> If you want to provide it to the clerk, sir. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Thank you.

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Okay. And will somebody follow up with the commission to let us know what what what happens after the Okay. >> Thank you. >> Hey, next request to speak is from Joey Clark. Ma'am, if if you'll just start by announcing your name and your address and if there's anything that you want to

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provide, you can provide it to the clerk. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Should I do the providing now or later? >> If however you choose. >> Sure. >> You're welcome. >> Um I'm here um not a lawyer or a very good speaker, but um I'm my name is Joey

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Clark. I am a homestead property owner on 1021 West 12th Street in the historical Oldsmar. The last original home on West 12th Street of built in 1910. So, it is pretty important to me. I'm here to place this commission

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in the public record on notice regarding organized pattern official misconduct, civil rights violations, the predatory event rent revenue >> [sighs] >> of generated or and predatory revenue generation actively being executed by the city

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departments to force gentrification under our under your administration. I have nothing against any of you, just to clarify that. An official criminal complaint is being initiated and filed with the Seminole County Sheriff's Office and the State Attorney's Office regarding code

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enforcement case file 26003032. Digital photos prove March 25th, 2026, code enforcement may have committed criminal trespass outside of the public plain view to take pictures. To cover up this illegal or to cover

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to cover this up and commit a and criminal commit criminal trespass outside of the public view um and bypass the illegal search Florida Statute 162, which bans anonymous complaints.

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Um A fraudulent citizen account was created in the citizen citizen serve portal on April 13th, nearly 18 days later. Um 2026, using the name and address of a deceased military veteran that once

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lived next door. This is a third-degree felony under the Florida law. >> Wow. >> For official misconduct and identity theft. I attempted to resolve this legal discrepancy in good faith on June 14th. I sent a formal email to the city attorney to clarify these issues and

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allow the city to explain actions. And true to this administration's documented pattern of non-responsiveness, my email was completely ignored. The silence is part of a verified historical pattern overseen by the head of the planning department which dates back to the 2010

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Sherman Ware assault cover-up. We see it in the municipal ballot exclusion of mayoral candidate Chan Robinson and the $50,000 foreclosure of Chantel Williams' historic 1958 Georgetown property. The exact predatory playbook is being

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deployed against my property and probably many of the properties on uh 12th Street. Following the enforcement of Florida public camping ban, hundreds of displaced individuals are being dropped off in Goldsboro. Instead of providing social infrastructure, your code and compliance division is

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weaponizing debris from these forced encampments to slap us with ruinous $1,000 daily fines. Our street was recently rezoned general commercial, drastically increasing the development value. By placing unsupportable fines on our properties and demanding predatory

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$250 fine and receiving fees, the city is using code enforcement as an ongoing tool gentrification coercing historic residents into signing away their legal rights to fight violations in the future so developers can come and clear out our community while our water department

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operates on dead batteries, pollutes our air, our drinking water, and our river. We will not be forced off of our historic homesteads and or face foreclosures. I demand the city issue an immediate administrative stay on the July 1st code enforcement

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deadline on West 12th Street and halt these funds until Seminole County Sheriff and State Attorney complete their public integrity investigations to ensure this was not a plan launched in direct response to Florida's legislation June 2nd, 2026

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passage of HJR 1 F July 1st, 2026 H B 803 which severely restricts and slashes municipality building permit fees. The mayor of Sanford has made public statements on online how much revenue revenue may be lost due to

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these laws. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Do you have any other [applause] questions? >> Just to clarify, so there was a finding of fact and order entered against your property and fines that were assessed?

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>> There's no fines currently assessed. Um someone entered >> The deadline that the fines will begin will be in July? >> violation, they will um take me to the magistrate um July 1st, I believe. They will put me in violation. Um many of the violations that I was

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cited for I disagree with completely. My house has many historical standing features that um were not improved upon. I don't have I I should be grandfathered in for many of the things that have been on surveys since 2009. Um I've put that into the into the record as well. So

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>> Without getting in So, did you attend the evidentiary hearing as to the alleged violation? So, was there a hearing or a trial? >> yet. This will be in July. >> up in July. >> Uh correct. And and for some of my neighbors that are here are currently facing and currently

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um racking up tons and tons of fines. They're here tonight. And this code enforcement entered their yard as well to take images of my backyard without permission on March 25th. Um so you So, I know that there was no permission from multiple neighbors. They

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entered a church behind my house. They entered a deceased neighbor's house. And um so that's just And also the person from one of these people that is accruing fines, they entered that house inside and took images of of their bathroom without their permission.

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So, I'm not sure exactly all of the details to that case because it was started quite earlier than mine, but a very large majority of the house houses on my street have open cases as well as fines accruing. >> Okay. As to your matter which is pending, just as I spoke to the

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gentleman before you at the date at the date at the podium, make sure that you attend the hearing that's on July, present all of your testimony and evidence at that time. Um members of the commission, there's really not an opportunity to adjudicate or opine as to a open code enforcement matter, but as

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to again this statement as to entry of property, I will look into it and then follow back up with you. >> Yes. >> Yeah, it's really it's very important because one of our neighbors is accruing fines and has been offered amnesty in order to uh to stop that from accruing further. And

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um honestly, that signs away your rights to protest any of those violations in the future. So, I I'm I'm really concerned about multiple neighbors. Um some neighbor neighbors haven't even been informed of of code enforcement being on their property, and I'm only coming to being aware of this by lots and lots of

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research and talking to my community. >> As you understand, I can't speak to cases that I'm not aware of, and I can't speak to those who have already had their evidentiary hearings and have findings of facts and orders entered against them. There is a process in which to address that, um but I will follow up as to the allegation as to

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people or code enforcement officers entering property, but you do have an opportunity to have your full hearing before the special magistrate, and I want to make sure that you take advantage of that. >> yes. Absolutely. Thank you so much. >> You're welcome. >> Have a good one. >> You as well. >> Thank you. >> I'm lost.

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So, if if if if legal counsel is telling us that we technically we can't speak onto an open case, and then you're going to follow up, and then we'll get all of the information after the fact, then how do

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we if if if the allegations are true, then how do we assist? How do we help if we can't do anything until after the the the residents go to uh the special magistrate. >> There There's two separate issues, Commissioner. One is whether the

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property is in violation in which they will have an opportunity to go before a special magistrate. This is a legal process that the city has adopted to address whether in fact they're in violation, and they'll have the opportunity to present testimony, evidence, etc. There is a separate

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allegation from that that as to whether officers are improperly entering property. And it is to with regard to that issue that I will look into and be able to give you some feedback as to what I've uncovered with regard to that information. >> Okay.

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>> But it's a separate issue from whether there is in fact a violation. >> Mhm. >> And that's why I'm always encouraging each of the individuals that have come to the podium to participate in that special magistrate process because once that order is entered there are some responses that they can do, but

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ultimately that is your primary bite at the apple to contest whether in fact there have been any violations. >> But do you understand when the the public comes to the commission, they come to talk to their commission to enlighten them on what has happened, and then to to get some feedback from the commission or either to get assistance

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from the commission. Basically, they just stood up there and we can't do anything at this point. Like >> What you have afforded is a process. And so you have given citizens an opportunity to address those by affording a process to for which citizens have an evidentiary hearing in

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order to present their information. There is no There are no code enforcement officers here. It would be an imbalance presentation, and really outside the jurisdiction of the day is to try and adjudicate whether in fact there has been a code enforcement violation or not. So I would allow that

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process to move forward. But there is a question that's been posed as to how the city's code enforcement officers are um traversing the city, and to that I will look into. >> Okay. So maybe I'm just I'm just want to make sure that we're not getting lost in the sauce. Okay. So my thing is is we

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tell people if there's an issue, you need to come to your representatives who elected you. And they come to us and literally my our hands are tied. So, I'm I'm asking what recourse what what can we do if you're

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if what I'm hearing you say is just let the process happen, then what is the point of them coming before the commission? >> They have the ability to voice what their concerns are, but it this code enforcement case is no different than someone came before the podium and expressed an issue that's impending

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litigation. That issue is not going to be addressed here at the DA's. It's going to be addressed in the litigation forum that has been created, whether it be an internal process or the circuit courts, etc. We have in essence a code enforcement court that they're required if they choose to

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to go through to have those matters adjudicated. >> Okay. >> And for any matter where there's pending litigation, which a code enforcement case would be similar to that, typically I'm going to advise that the DA's not participate or get into a discussion

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because ultimately the DA's mayor and the commissioners is outside of your jurisdiction just as a judge to make a determination as to who is correct or not. And so and ultimately that's what's being brought before you is that question. >> But to answer your question of what good

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does it do to bring it to us, we're aware of it. What I'll be doing is looking at those cases and I'll be talking to the attorney and to code enforcement outside the meeting because I know there's nothing we can decide tonight, but I can look I mean I will

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want to look into these myself and get information directly from them. Um I mean we can uh >> Which is why >> I'm looking at I'm looking at case photo case photos right now cuz I pulled up her address. >> Sometimes I know the answer. Sometimes I

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need the audience and the people who are watching to hear the answer as well. I appreciate that Commissioner, and that's why ultimately I've extended to do a telephone conference with those who have stepped forward today with code enforcement with regard to some of the concerns that have been addressed. Thank you. >> Thank you.

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>> You're welcome. >> Is there anyone else in the audience wishing to speak to the commission? Mr. Robinson. >> Chan Robinson, 105 Sand Point Court, Sanford, Florida 32773. I just wanted to um do my due diligence.

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Obviously, I have a filed a motion for justice since this body doesn't seem interested in providing one. But since Tracy wasn't here last commission meeting when I spoke, the same way that she wasn't there, she was I was told she was working remote

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the day that I filed my qualification packet, and her deputy city clerk accepted it. I want [clears throat] to ask her the same question I asked them last commission meeting. Is your deputy clerk authorized your authority

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when you're not there? When she was in your seat, sitting in the same exact chair you were last week, was she acting in your full authority of your office? >> She is the acting clerk in my absence. >> So, if that clerk

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authorized a piece of paper saying that I was qualified, is that all of a sudden she can't act, but she can she can serve this duty? >> Let me just advise both the city clerk and the commissioners and mayor, there's pending litigation. I argue in court,

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not at this dais. And so, it'll be addressed accordingly moving forward. Um I've taken all reasonable steps necessary to address the motions that have been a filed. >> You have not. >> Again, I have taken necessary steps needed to address the motions that have

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been filed. >> She has not. >> And with regard to the same statements that I said before, which you say perfect. >> For what? I can't I can't come up here as a citizen, a resident? I can't bring Bring my So, am I going to get my minutes back? >> Well, then don't ask questions that you

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want answered. >> Well, why don't you guys answer a question reasonably? It's a piece of paper. I understand her job is not to get you guys sued, but come on, it's a paper that a piece of that a citizen turned in. I'm being treated like a criminal right now. I'm being treated like

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like a foreigner. I grew up here. I too am a service connected veteran. I served 5 years for this country. I jumped out of planes. I've ran for mayor twice. I went to college. I sit on boards in this city. Am I not a decent Am I not a decent human being enough to

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to talk outside of lawyer talk? I have to go get lawyers? I have to continue to spend thousands of dollars to take these guys to court so that I can because she wants to work remote that day? And she doesn't know the laws that she's even following? And I got you emailing

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me. I got people I got stories every which way. Everything that they told me that she said she contacted the the supervisor of elections has been proven false. I got statements. I don't want to go to court with you guys. I don't want to sue the city that I want to save. By the looks of it, you guys got cases

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coming up coming up as we as we speak. I don't want to see you guys lose more money. Why can't we have conversations? Why can't somebody just acknowledge that Tracy made a mistake so that I don't lose this election because I have 2 weeks to run, Art. I've ran against you.

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You've seen me. I ran for mayor twice. I know the paperwork that you have to turn in. I submitted two forms, Tracy. Two of them. If you were there that day and you told me you didn't like the first check, then I would have given you the second one. How is that my fault? And how do I How

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do you guys get elected by the people and tell me that I have to I can't talk to my commission meeting and that nobody can answer my questions? That I'm just like treated like a like I'm a I have leprosy or something and

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I have to go to a court. I have to pay thousands of dollars. Or is that the city that you want to live in? Is that cool? Is this Is this acceptable by any means? That I can turn in paperwork and get treated like I have to talk to a lawyer. That I have to go to circuit court and see you guys in 4 days for a piece of

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paper that was notarized by the deputy city clerk. Or that is illegal and you know it. I know you know it. You're one of the smartest guys I've ever met in this city and you know better than that. Football coach?

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You got something to say? >> [clears throat] >> I've already directed or advised the mayor >> 30 seconds. >> I didn't tell you to stop. I said I've advised the mayor and city commissions not to address this matter which is involved in pending litigation. So you have your seconds to go ahead and

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complete your comments. >> You need to go. >> Okay. >> Well, thank you. >> Anyone else in the audience wish to speak to the commission? >> Okay. And we'll close public comment and move on to regular items. First is sixth

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amendment on the Sanford Housing Authority property. >> Yes, mayor members of commission city staff recommends the city commission ratify the approval of the sixth amendment to the contract of for sale of real estate with the Sanford Housing Authority Sanford Housing Authority for the William Clark Court properties

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extending the contract an additional 6 months. Do you want to note Mr. Are you Fleming here from the Sanford Housing Authority here? Thank you for joining us, sir. Move to approve. >> Second. >> Okay. Motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor? >> Aye.

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>> Aye. Any opposed? Pass unanimously. Cuz you didn't know why. Resolution 3489. Okay, Mayor and members of the Commission, city staff recommends the City Commission adopt resolution number 3489 authorizing the submittal of

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the special category grant application for the Civic Center Auditorium restoration authorizing the required matching funds. This is going for a maximum grant of $1 million. It does require a 25% match at submittal of the application and additional 25% at at

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award. Move to approve. >> Second. >> Motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor? >> Aye. >> Any opposed? Pass unanimously. Okay. City Attorney comments. >> I have no further comments this evening. >> Okay. City Clerk's report.

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>> I have no further comments. >> City Manager's report. >> Just for a reminder to the Commission and for public information, we're having a budget work session discussion on Wednesday, July 8th at 3:00 p.m. That's for your calendars. Thank you, Mayor. That's it. >> Okay.

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Um Commissioner Austin, anything? >> Uh just uh piggybacking off of uh Jerry Solomon's uh comments earlier. Kudos to the uh teams that made it to state and the teams that are going to sectionals or regionals,

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whatever they're called. For our uh Babe Ruth, um there are some fundraising matters going on uh to help cover the cost. Um Am I correct, Jerry? >> Yes. We take the registration, right?

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>> Travel and housing. Uh so first of all, anybody watching on YouTube, uh any of my friends that have helped in the past, >> It's not live tonight. >> Yeah, it is. >> Yes, it is. It's on. >> It's on now? >> to fix it. >> Um >> I'd love for you to join in again this

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year. I will give a thousand dollars of my commissioner or funds for a public purpose to uh support our young uh superstars and uh I challenge anybody else on this dais to join in. >> Is there a motion?

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>> That's a motion. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> All in favor. >> Ms. Manson. Do I have any money? >> [laughter] >> You should have a lot. >> Oh, no, not you. >> I got some money. >> I'll also I'll also do a thousand.

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>> Where do you get this infinite amount of funds? >> I still got about eight thousand, right? >> [laughter] >> All right. I'll do a thousand. >> Okay. >> Okay, so when I amend the motion, a thousand from each of each >> A thousand from

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>> two great commissioners district three, district two. >> My money is allocated. >> Yes. >> Mayor >> Is there a second? >> Would you like to join us? >> I would >> Not to put anybody on the spot. >> I will do something on my own. >> Okay.

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All right. You got a first and a second. >> Yeah. >> All in favor. >> Aye. >> Any opposed? >> Ms. Tinsley. >> Anything else? >> Nothing. >> Commissioner Wiggins. >> I would like for you to do the waste You speak on it. >> Okay.

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>> You go on it. >> What am I talking about? Okay. >> Cuz you've been there. You know what I'm saying? So, I'd like for you to do that one. >> Um I want also again I know it was yesterday, but I tell everybody every day surely if you're a father, so I want to again say happy Father's Day to all

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y'all fathers in here. Uh Um last week Habitat for Humanity's we were able to do a raw wall raising for 19 homes. We got 14 of them already full. Um

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Goldsboro Main Street on Friday, they had another they had the Juneteenth celebration at the West Dobbs Westside Community Center. It was great. Each year gets better and better. They started off last year. Um and it was great. They had a lot of information. And so hopefully uh next

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year we can keep that growing. Then on the next day SAO down here. Um they also had their Juneteenth. Um great crowd, great excitement, fun for all. That was great. I want to commend them

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and their team. Um my community meeting. My community meeting is the 4:30 of every month. It'll be again at Westside Dobbs Westside Community Center at 6:00 p.m. All are welcome. We have all the staff there. Six right down the street from you.

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At community center, okay? So you guys are more than welcome to come. And so uh you don't have to live in my district. You come if you want to come and be able to get information because I have visitors that come in from different organizations to be able to help give you the information you need and to be able to spread and go back to tell

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everyone else. The following day I have my food giveaway at Bentley Wilson Park. I'm going to check on that. If I know they're doing construction over there, so hopefully we'll still be able to get in, but we'll be at Bentley Wilson Park at 3:00 p.m. Uh on

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on the that Friday following. Um we also have um this Saturday or this Thursday, Friday, Saturday we have the Freedom Festival in Gold excuse me in Georgetown and it's going to be at New Bethel Church from

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10:00 to 2:00. They'll be working on expungement, uh helping you with uh IDs, diff uh I'll be partnering with few pastors in Georgetown area as well as the fraternity the Q's.

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Um and that's 10:00 to 2:00 on Saturday. And then the big food giveaway, which is going to be July the 10th. July the 10th, be right down the street from y'all. Big man, we'll be right down the street from y'all July the 10th uh at 10:00 a.m. we have the big food

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giveaway in partnership with my brothers with picnic project. We have We have between 30 and 40,000 lb of groceries. The community be out. You can come on through. Uh I have SPD will be controlling the traffic. As always, I appreciate y'all.

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And um again, I'm very excited. For you all that don't know uh what we were able to pass uh two things tonight that we talked about uh was where where where where actually Castle Brewton was. We've gotten that approved and we're

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going to be putting in housing there. So again, that is going to be growth in historic Goldsboro Boulevard. Across the street uh where we're looking to put the park and the track. Again, something else with growth to help build up our community. So I'm very excited. If you

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guys want to watch the ass why I said I real loud, it's because the excitement that we have going on. Again, we got other things going on, but I'm going to keep on doing what I'm doing, talking like I'm talking, and being excited like I'm excited. Thank you, sir.

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>> Commissioner Braden. >> Mr. Mayor, members of the commission, I know you won't believe this, but District 1 has no report. >> All right. >> Um >> [laughter] >> Okay, so Race to Amity Day, if um I'm not sure if anybody but you has been

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before. I believe this is the sixth year you've been. Um it started down in Port Mellon Park. Um it's uh a diverse group of people coming together and just getting to know each other and celebrating um diversity and

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peace and and getting along. Um it grew to there were probably 100 people there this >> 80. >> Yeah. So, it's it started off as a, you know, a dozen 6 years ago and has been growing every year. Um So, and this was my uh

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sixth time getting to attend that. In addition to Habitat, Dave's house, which is for um mentally and um impaired uh residents, had a wall breaking um

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day where they um celebrated the where they will be tearing down a building to build new homes um for those that are mentally um impaired but um can live independently. And so, that was a nice thing to go to.

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Um the two Juneteenth um celebrations, both of them um very well done, very well attended. Glad to see those things going on. Um and I believe that is all I have. Did you want to say anything else about

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fireworks? 9:15 on July 4th, right? 9:15. >> [laughter] >> On July 4th. Biggest show we've ever had. Right? Okay. We're adjourned.