--------- single. There you go. >> Okay. We'll go and call to order the mean uh city commission work session for Monday, February 23, 2026. And our first item is the disposition of Semino County property. Mr. Bart.
>> Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of the city commission. And it says continued discussion because we did bring to your attention at the last meeting that we've had discussions with Semino County regarding the three properties that they have in the downtown area and we wanted to have some comments from the
commission on what you would like to see there. So this was just to give a break have some time for you to think about it and we do have Mr. Brady Lassard here as well. So the main reason for this conversation is to get more clarification if you have it in terms of what you would like us to be
communicating to the county. Yep. >> Yes. Uh mayor, city manager, thank you so much. Uh actually we did get to go through this presentation at our last work session, but uh to the city manager's point, we were hoping to get uh some further direction on the
conversation that's been ongoing with uh Semino County. Uh I think the city manager would echo my sentiments. They have been wonderful partners in giving us the opportunity for input and uh clarification on how we would like to see those properties disposed of. Chris
does have the presentation pulled back up so we can flip through it real quickly or I can open it to questions. I would defer to you, mayor. >> Okay. Does anybody need to see the presentation any of it? >> I don't think so. >> Okay. Right. So, let's just go through them
one by one. The engineering building. Okay. Which is probably the most viable for um a quick reuse. >> Correct. Um which comes with two parking lots behind it. >> It does, mayor. And you can see those on the top right hand corner of the slide.
Those parking lots are directly behind the building. We're showing the one to the left here. Thank you, Chris. Those are currently county uh property uh and parking. Uh I will note that regardless of how these properties are disposed of, a number of the vehicles that are parked
there on a daily basis are county vehicles. So sometimes they're consuming, if it makes any sense, twice the number of parking spots. an employee comes to work, parks their vehicle in that lot, takes a county vehicle, and leaves that lot. Um, so regardless of
how those properties, that particular property is disposed of, there will be some additional uh public parking opportunities depending on who ends up with controlling the lot to uh the west, Chris, of of the planning and engineering building. Nope. Down here,
other side right there. that we just put that on there because that is a city parking lot currently. So, it does show you kind of the concentration of public parking in that area, which is obviously the heart of the downtown shopping area. Um,
how many people could work in that building? You have any idea? >> So, at maximum uh what what the county was referring to as maximum staffing, they had about 68 employees there. Um, if there were more of a corporate configuration there, I would see that
number being significantly larger because remember the county's current layout has old plans, uh, hard copies of plans and things. So, space that's not currently being used for bodies. Uh, there's there's a significant amount of storage in the back. Uh, two floors of
that building, a lot of conference space, which would probably be the case with a private use as well. the downstairs that the uh the goal there would be a more of a retail interactive with the pedestrian uh area there. So I I would say in the neighborhood of
probably a hundred employees is yeah and I don't see a except for managing the process is is there any real benefit for that ownership passing through us other than it comes with parking lots. the the
parking would be a component that and you've mentioned before would be a critical uh item to look at. Uh but as far as the transfer of the property, if the goal is to put it into private hands, the county is more than willing and and the city manager and I have met with staff a
number of times where we've actually brought them potential users. uh one in particular was a without naming the company there's there's a healthc care company that would like and that's in that 60 to 80 uh employee range that would be one of many prospects I think
that would come to the table. Um >> my thoughts on this are similar to yours. It's it's the most uh uh easily monetized of the three properties. So, if the city commission were looking to move forward on all the properties, I
would say let's keep this one in there to uh uh offset the the more difficult properties being the county admin building and the courthouse. >> Okay. All right. Any questions or comments on this one? >> Okay. And then the next one, I'm going
sort of in what I consider order of difficulty. >> Okay. courthouse, which and I said this before, you know, in terms of us doing something with the Hood Avenue parking lot doesn't make sense until we know what's going to happen with this building. But again,
how do you tie that together? >> Well, and and therein lies an argument for us actually acquiring the property or the Semino County folks acquiring our hood parking lot. Uh because as we look at an aerial mayor, the the red uh box
to the left there, uh it basically shows the courthouse footprint. Without the parking that's listed as block one there that's Chris is now showing, the redevelopment or even repurposing of the courthouse becomes very difficult. So this is a property
that uh the county is going to struggle to monetize it if they put it on the market. That would be a concern that I have is you're going to have a difficult time finding a user that comes in without coming to the city and saying, "Hey, we need your parking to make something really work there." So my
concern would be that someone would buy the courthouse, potentially land bank it indefinitely, and a building that's already at about 30% of capacity would potentially remain vacant uh for a duration of of time that that we as a
commission, we as a city may not feel is uh is a positive thing. I do think if the city uh or the county uh were to control both parcels, there is a uh an opportunity either to repurpose the courthouse uh which would
be a rather extensive uh restoration and renovation um or um basically demolish that courthouse. But even in demolishing that courthouse, for years people have talked about, well, a Hampton Inn would fit there. Well, a Hampton Inn would fit there. Uh the
courthouse footprint is very similar to a Hampton end. I've I've done a number of those over the years. The the problem is the site does not flow without that block one being involved in some way, shape or form. So
without actually any ownership change is a viable option since we're putting out an a proposal for for developers to look at property to do, you know, an agreement with the county to put out the two pieces
as does somebody have a proposal that would encompass both pieces? And that's the level of cooperation, mayor, that I think the city manager and I would would advocate this commission working with the Semino County Commission to to make happen. Otherwise, and especially when
we get to the third one uh that you're calling the most difficult to repurpose uh the county admin building, it is very incumbent upon both municipalities uh to work together. Uh I could see putting this out on the street as a redevelopment parcel. the little box uh
that's uh readed out there, Chris, the bottom lefthand corner of that parcel to the west. Yeah, that's private. That is uh the former Huntington Bank from many years ago. So that's that's private, which further kind of encumbers that parcel uh and devalues it without the uh
>> the park or where it actually says private. >> Well, I'm sorry, directly below that where it says private. Yes, sir. On the corner there, >> the red piece above it is >> The red piece above it is is county. the judge's parking and the baiff's parking. Okay. >> Now, uh to the right of where Chris is
now, where is marked private, that is actually owned by Semino or controlled by Semino County, I should say. That's the old bar library. >> So, in the end uh configuration of this property, I would envision that being included. Currently, uh the county has
not come to that conclusion. >> I I'm not sure that they realize that they control it. that the land under that courthouse building is already searchcharged for foundation purposes. >> Correct. >> That was a search charge foundation.
>> Okay. So, does that make sense for us to work with the county to put those two pieces out for redevelopment proposal rather than us trying to buy it or sell them the parking lot? >> It does. And I would say this, mayor, I I think uh if the commission uh made
that decision, I I think Sanford would want to drive that process only because u the county is going to have less of a granular interest in in what uh ends up uh occupying that property. I I think there's a number of ways without
purchasing it where there could be an interlocal where hey uh seminal county at the end of the day they're looking for ad valorum at the end of the day they're looking to be made whole for their property but at the end of the day any taxable adorum uh properties that come online in the the city of Sanford
obviously are going to pay that seminal county portion as well. >> Okay. Are we thinking of possibly incorporating this into our opportunity site work and just have it be one big proposal or >> I would not make one big proposal.
>> I I think >> I would take block one and the courthouse and make it a separate >> separate one. >> Um rather than confusing the issue with with >> and to your point mayor uh also the geometry of those two sites plays more as as separate standalones.
Mhm. >> You mean a block two and three? >> Yes. Block one in the courthouse as one offering. Block two and three is another offering. >> Yeah. Because I'm looking at the courthouse and block one and thinking you could reconfigure those for much better use if you have both of them.
>> Correct. >> Okay. My first thought is the building goes across the lake and the parking behind it. >> Okay. So, I I do think it's important to note as we move on to the admin building is the county through the process with the city manager and I is is well aware
that that their values uh are hindered without our uh block there. Okay. >> That doesn't occur on the planning and engineering building. That's a standalone uh monetizable uh asset for them. >> Okay. So, >> I would say mayor and commissioners that
I have had discussions with Dr. joy that the seminal state as Freddy has pointed out he's seen where courouses have become college campus buildings >> and so that's something that she did not say no to she wants more information but that's a possibility and what's exciting
to us is having young people downtown invigorating the Sanford downtown >> with the addition of the night traffic that comes with night school. So definitely an opportunity for a repurpose there. Okay. All right. And then this one
>> I will introduce I'll let you introduce this one, Mayor. >> Well, first of all, it's not just that building. >> That's correct. >> There are several parcels around it. Um, some of those smaller parcels could probably be absorbed into some small
residential kind of thing. But >> so the large box to the top right is what we'll call the county admin building uh in particular. there. Uh the county also owns a lot directly across the street to the north of there that
we're not showing because we thought it was a little more important to show the uh the bottom uh parcels. The county has also through the efforts of the city manager and I come to learn that they have additional properties that they own that u have not shown up on their inventory on the front end of this
process. So there's a number of what I would call orphan parcels. Uh the concern here is it it abuts and we we spoke about this briefly last time. It abuts both our Mayfair neighborhood and our Georgetown neighborhood. And without a real shephering of what that repurpose
uh is made to look like, uh it it could potentially jeopardize the character of both neighborhoods. But it's a very expensive proposition, I would imagine, to tear that down and build something that we would want that
would be economically viable. >> Correct. And if you'll recall, this commission had fits with the multif family project again directly northwest of the county admin building. And when are they what's I know they've been saying for years they're moving out, but
do we have a more firm timeline on this? >> If if you were to ask and I'd defer to the city manager if he'd like, but I I believe that we're talking 2029. This is this is significantly back to the planning and engineering building.
By the end of 2026, that building will effectively be vacant. >> So that's important to note. courthouse. Uh Q1 of 27, it will be effectively be vacant. Uh which is going to >> put a real strain on downtown pedestrian
traffic for those lunch days that we're always talking about, the Mondays, Tuesdays, and Wednesdays. This is is probably from a timing perspective less critical. But I I would say, and I think the city manager would agree, the county is looking to deal with these globally. They either want to
work with the city of Sanford or take them all to market simultaneously >> and they are interested in financially getting as much as they can for them in respect with the city because they have some costs to build the buildings that they want over at Five Points.
>> Correct. >> Um you know speaking of the piece across the street and it's 29 that's probably too far out. I don't know where they are in in that development, but I know when when they were first talking, they I
think they talked to the county about that. And if they had that parcel, I think they end up with a much better project. And and so it's a shame that that's going to be a parking lot until 29 and then suddenly become available.
And mayor, I I think had the without casting aversions on anyone, I think if the county or the developer had been a little more aggressive in making that happen, the geometry of that site changes dramatically. You can move the project west. You can do a lot of things
that are no longer feasible because of that. All right. So, what is your recommendation for how we handle this one? Do you have one? >> So, the city manager and I wanted to
bring this to the commission because I do think that the the fuse has been lit. Uh, Semino County as a commission has a retreat coming up here in March. What they would like to hear from us is we are very interested. I think if we as a
city are interested, there could be a uh a very partyfriendly way to interlocal this uh deferred compensation uh on the back end of of any real estate transaction that the city and the county uh embarked on together. Otherwise, I
think they would like to hear from us that we have no interest. Take this to the market. Is that Yeah. >> So, you're thinking we need to We need to in some manner take all three
or take none. Is that what I'm hearing? >> I think that that is the favored resolution by the county. Uh I I would say that they will not let us come and say, "Hey, we want the planning and engineering building. You deal with the courthouse and and the county admin
building." But from a cost of acquisition, could the city, however it is structured, there's there's been uh and Mr. Bonapart will tell you there's been a number of of concepts thrown out there of how the city and the county could make this work together. U I think
it's fair to say city manager that the county does not want to drive the uh the visioning and and placement of this into private hands. >> Okay. >> If they don't have to. >> I see it more as a partnership. They came to us indicating that they wanted
to make sure the city was involved. Yes. And mayor, to your point, uh I believe the city of Sanford is is more favorably positioned as this conversation goes on. Uh we we currently have a building here, a county admin building that's zoned as government. Uh
effectively, without the city of Sanford's cooperation in reszoning uh and getting Eileen and her team involved in an adaptive reuse or a redevelopment, the the property is essentially worthless on the market. So, there's a number of ways that we're
attached to the county on this u which which puts I think the city of Sanford in the cat bird seat from uh a a potential acquisition or driving of the process to dispose of the properties. >> So,
>> who owns the lot between the admin building and the lake? So the >> one just east of >> all the paved parking lot is the county. >> Yes. >> The grass is a private company that has
plans for >> 90 something. >> So the admin building these are the parking. So >> actually >> well and further west of their mayor >> company owns that. >> Private company owns that. Okay.
>> And then further west and Mr. Mundo's worked with these folks as well is is the former new tribes ethnos 360. >> Right. We know about that. But I was curious just north of the admin building if because if we were going to do anything here and we had that entire property. >> Correct. >> But we don't.
So, mayor, at this point, uh I think what the city manager and I would probably uh recommend is first your direction on how you would like to proceed, but then secondly would be to have a meeting post uh retreat with Semino County. I think uh the city manager is in close conversations with
uh Darren Gray, the county manager. I I think if we can give them an inkling and I don't use that word lightly because I I don't think we have to commit to anything except we would like to explore uh with the constraints of we we're
going to have to provide the Semino County Commission at their retreat a timeline I think is fair to say >> and we respect that is their property. >> Correct. The alternative uh to any interlocal or working together on the disposition of
the properties would be and we've strongly suggested this um to county staff and city manager and I brought this to their attention is prior to bringing this to market they need to come through our planning uh department uh
because again there there is very very little if any value to that on the open market without a reason. >> All right. So, I don't know how you structure it, but I'm okay with pulling all three properties
together because I think getting a good project at the courthouse and maybe having some control over some extra parking downtown, >> right, >> is worth having to deal with that. You just said it in the the fireside
chat, man. Mayor, I I think that is where we really are. It's >> I I think the value that we can get out of the courthouse in that parking lot will make whatever happens here worth it, >> right? And I may be completely wrong about what
a developer will come forward with, but we can certainly express to the county a willingness to work with them and Grady's already done that in terms of marketing both the Tal House as well as the engineering building. Um, and that's where the working together I think what we can do is express the fact that the
city is appreciative of the wanting to be involved and certainly working with them in terms of marketing the property. >> Well, but I think it's um it's worth really pushing for an agreement on the courthouse and the parking lot that we
put it out together as a single project. And if if that would be the direction, what I would like to do is work with Miss Green on on formalizing uh a relationship as it relates to the three properties and an interlocal that gives both parties uh the flexibility to uh
react uh accordingly as as the process rolls out. But I do think it would be important uh in any scenario to have those formaliz that that agreement. So, if we were to bring in a wonderful repurposer of the courthouse in
conjunction with our parking lot, we would need to have that formalized to get them to start spending soft dollars on engineering and planning and things of that nature. >> Y'all do you all agree with that? Especially on the courthouse park. Yeah. >> You hit the the two key words on the
head parking lot. And the advantage that the city has is that for them to market it without the courthouse would be rather limited. >> Okay. So is that >> I think Miss Green and I and the city
manager can work together to bring back proposed interlocal. In the meantime with the city manager's direction, I myself or or Mr. Bonapart will reach out to Darren Gray and give him the ability to update his commission that an interlocal in the works for their consideration.
All right. Thank you. All right. Thank you, >> Mr. Mayor. Members of Commission. Next is the introduction of the dashboard by the strategic manager, Elizabeth Jones. >> Hello, Mayor. Hello.
>> While she's setting up for commissioner, could I did speak with the mayor, but commissioner um Thomas and Commissioner Wiggins, uh Commissioner Britain did send a text saying she would not be at the work session, but would be at the 7:00 meeting. >> Thank you.
>> All right. So, hello again, uh Mayor, members of the commission. Um Mr. Mr. Bonapart had asked me to uh meet with you all and uh review the dashboards available to the public as well as go over the refresh uh quarter 1 report
with you all as well. Um so this was the performance page made for um the whole city moving forward. So that way there's a central hub um that anybody can refer to when it comes to our strategic plan, what's happening with the strategic plan
as well as any of the associated dashboards. Um I'll move on to the dashboards for you all. With that being said, um there's a variety of different topics. Um one of the key ones that is uh I think of the most interest here is
our capital project dashboard. This dashboard here um again highlights primarily construction projects um for the fiscal year of 2027 or I'm sorry 2026 uh we're preparing 2027 social
library. Um so you can sort your projects by your district. So if you're interested to see what's happening within your district, you can see that. You can look at what year fiscal year a project was started as well as when a project was completed. Um something that
uh I've added for this year was highlighted projects. Um so those are projects that have a lot of discourse surrounding it. Um it's talked at here at the dis or you know it's a project that has interest to our community. Um
so for example if we do second street should be able to search and then we have second street here. So it's a little hard to see here but on a monitor it's a little easier. Um so it
brings you to wherever it is on the map. So that way you can kind of see where a project is spatially in the city of Stanford. Um as well as having details on it. So details are that are included are everything from its project name um the allocated budget for it uh the year
it was started the anticipated years ending and one of the other additions that was made was um adding more details that are happening to those quote unquote highlighted projects. Um so this one here is the second street streetscape improvement project. Um, so
it has in information about the project, what the project's about, as well as scope mapping if it's relevant to that project. Um, phases so our community can see kind of what each part of the phase is at and where it's moving. Um, and any
sort of relevant information such as who to contact with questions on it. Um, and it even here links us back to the city website um, which also has more information for anybody um, who's interested. Similar projects, one that just finished
would be the Mayfair Country Clubhouse project. Um, it has information about the clubhouse itself, information about the project as it was taking place, mapping for it. Um again we see that project timeline so that way I can
highlight it as well as any sort of media that's associated. In this case I've attached the video of when it opened. Um so that way instead of having decentralized information for our community on what's happening with projects um any sort of social media
content or any other sort of content um can be made available in these sort of project groups. So that way instead of having to pay attention to an Instagram post, a Facebook post or a website post, um it's all in found in one centralized location. Um so that was some of the
adjustments made to the city projects as well as uh where that click here option was. Um a highlighted city capital project dashboard. Um these ones here and I will follow up with a question for you in a moment here. um were just some of the
previously highlighted projects um that allows you to look at stages where they're at progress-wise. You can look at each individual project based off of how much have been spent in actuals if there's any overdue phases um
and so on and so forth with it. As uh one of the items that was mentioned by commission was ensuring that we do have Gant charts available. Um, so those are available based off of the different projects. Um, so that way you can see where they are in their stages, when
they started, when they're anticipated to end. Um, so that way again you have more detail. So that is a quick overview of uh the city commission um highlighted projects that have been previously
mentioned. Um, as you'll see here, if we go back to the start, several of our projects have been completed. Um, if there's any projects that you all have a interest in wanting to see displayed on this dashboard, please just let me know and I'll be happy to add that
information there for it. Um, so that way I want to ensure you're getting the information on the project you actually want on it, not just project for project sake, things that you would like to keep track of. Um, so those can easily be added, removed, changed. I just need to
know what you're looking for and I can easily accommodate when it comes to those sort of projects. So, is there any um at this moment? Currently we do have the second street pro uh street improvements project. Uh city hall improvements of the first floor which is
of course complete. Um the second floor project, fire station 40 marina major golf course. Uh the previous vacuum sewer vacuum sewer lift stations and the water meter exchange. If there's anything outside of that, I'll be happy to >> Could Could you pull up the Gant chart
of fire station 40? What am I getting from that? >> So currently >> and what's missing from it. >> It is only currently showing me the completed. So I'll have to go and review it on the back end. Um because it should
also show the in progress stages because it does have on the back end uh side of it um the various stages that the uh fire station is in. and then where their anticipated start date, end date, etc. are. >> Okay.
>> And um I will follow up part of um the city manager report um those again kind of highlighted projects such as station 40 um are included in there which give more of a narrative directive or direction um that the city's heading in.
So this is the updated um quarterly report which uh you all receive via email by this afternoon or tomorrow morning. Um and then I'll post it live to the city website. If we go to our fire departments there because all those are clickable links. Um this gives
overview of different things that the fire department was working on throughout the last quarter as well as those uh written updates as well which gives a little more anecdotal information um so what's happening on it that you might not be able to see displayed in the Gant chart. So it gives
a little more background depending on uh the project as well. So you'll see that throughout the uh the each quarter report as well. So the intention was to create um kind of a story throughout whether if you're interested in data, the data is available for you. If you're
interested in where it's happening, it's available for you. Or if you're interested in knowing um kind of the story of what's going on there. All of those can be available to you and the public. >> Yeah, the interconnectedness is a good feature there.
>> Can you take me back to the city's homepage? >> Yes, sir. and show me how we got there. >> Of course, if I go to it's under city manager's office and then to the side where it says performance in progress
and then here this is that um digital version of our strategic plan. Um on the side we have our values, community insights which come straight from the census information and our dashboard and resources. This year then has each of those
different dashboards. So for example, if we were to talk about the strategic performance dashboard um which is another one there, this brings out those uh KPIs that each of the department outlines for themselves for them to see. You can sort
it by your fiscal year um if you just want to look at in this case fal year 24 um and it allows you to sort through information that way. And then same with if you're curious when it comes to objectives that are associated for each
department. Um you'll have the objectives that were achieved in previous years or you can go to each of the um objectives that the department set out for themselves within this fiscal year
and then as they're updated and achieved the homepage updates accordingly. So all of it's just to again provide more transparency, more information um and to hopefully really show that as an
organization we're moving to forward being data driven um and really using that information to um hone our decision- making >> knowing that you can put a link or a place in the menu in multiple places. >> Yeah. Once we really decide this is
ready for everyone and useful, uh it probably be a good idea to put it under the residence link as well. >> I can do that >> and follow that no more than threeclick rule to get to it. >> Um can you go back yes to the gad chart?
>> Yep. >> And bring up the second street one because we know that that particular one had a delay because of the holidays. It was a good delay, but >> and you've put a lot of work into this. Bless your heart for doing it. I love
it. Um, but you have heard me talk about trends and plans versus actuals. >> Yeah. Correct. >> So, this would be a case where we'd want to see this is when we plan to have it done. This is when this phase was supposed to be completed. Here are the actuals. Now, in some cases, that might
raise a question. Why was this delayed? But then you could have some footnotes or comments where it was a positive thing. part of why um the quarter one report I'm just going to pull up here um because that is what we have going on in the background of it where we do have
the start date plan completion actual completion for any of those projects. So right I just have to do some backend uh troubleshooting to figure out what >> so the data is there. >> Yes. Um so it's just a matter of troubleshooting as to why it's not showing up right now. Um, so I'll have that sorted out um this evening,
tomorrow morning, so that way it's ready for >> Don't sweat about it. I know you'll get there, but that's >> but yes, so >> that's where I think, you know, for those of us who even want to look at a G chart, that's what we would want to see. >> Correct. So the information is there. It's just a matter of getting it to display. >> So I do apologize on that. But um yes,
so that is important because it is a key part of the Gant chart and that's part of the intention with the quarter 1 or quarterly reports is any sort of information like that that would be relevant um and it's important for our community to know um that they might see those discrep well what would seem like
a discrepancy um can be explained and understood as to what's going on and that information is easily and readily available. It doesn't have to rely on somebody coming up to the dis explain it. doesn't have to rely on them having to send an email. It can be available at their fingertips, which is what I was
really trying to aim for is having that community accessibility. >> Yeah. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> But again, if there's anything that you would like to see, please let me know. I'm happy to make any sort of adjustments like that. >> Okay. Well, I have sort of a side thing
here. Unfortunately, um, Miss Lindsay is not here. Um, and I don't know how I've stumbled upon this. Um, and years and years ago, I'll show my age. We used to get like I feel like we used to get a list of all the payments the city made
every month and we pretended we were approving them even though they were really already done. Oto has a check registry on their website to show every check that's been written um >> during during the month. And um you know
it's not and I don't know how much work or whether this is already in a form that is easy to transfer. Um you know what is missing from theirs is what what it's for. They have the pay and the check
number and how much it was. So like um I can tell you they well let me find one that doesn't make sense. Um, well, they paid 68,000 to one of our engineers to Corolla. I wonder what they're working on. But it doesn't say that. It just
says that they paid. So, is that something we would find useful? And is it something that can be done without a lot of work and that's really a question for finance. >> It would be interesting to get some
feedback from the albido commission on how that's going across. Oh, I can talk to their mayor and see >> um >> why they did it. >> Yeah. >> But you know, >> because it's information without context, >> right? Yeah. So, I mean, I can look up and see
how many times they bought something from Discount Propane, but I have no idea what they're using it for. Could it be raising more questions than >> so anyway I just you in terms of a dashboard kind of thing I I'm raising that as a what if not a I necessarily
think it's a great idea >> and that's the thing is the beauty of DA dashboards is as long as the data is there it can be built. So >> it's easily as long as it's something that and my belief in dashboards is if it serves a purpose,
>> right? >> Um then it's worth exploring. Um so you know I'm happy to talk with finance to find out the backend data side um as you all kind of explore you know from a >> yeah how much effort would it be for them to do something like that but with
the context that would make it value added >> and if nobody's looking at something we don't need a dashboard >> right >> anything else >> keep up it's a work in progress >> very good thank you >> miss Jones for her it. Uh, as you see
things that you would like or if you go to other websites and think that's something we'd like to see, let us know. >> I've saved that page. I'll be looking at it. >> Okay, Mr. Mayor, that concludes what staff had for the agenda. >> Okay.
Y'all have anything to bring up or discuss? >> We have 10 minutes. Well, the way we work, I mean, you could say we have 45 minutes, but I don't want to take that much. Um, we do have >> Tracy, I'm going to wait
>> CDBG >> till we have a full commission. >> Okay. >> CDBG, let's do that. >> So, only two people that can respond. >> Well, no, because um
Pastor Duncan. Okay. >> So, >> we just need an application. >> We need an application from him. I I know there has been one in the past. >> Okay. >> And I know he is interested. I think he sent >> a message to I don't know if he sent it
to everybody, but because I had told him that it was Austin and Britain who had um appointments to make and he was going to contact them. >> So, now we also have so And we can't make those appointments
here, but we can at least talk about them. One has to talk about. I know you had somebody you wanted to put on, right? >> Yes. >> You've got yours. >> Mhm. >> Right. Okay. And then the other two people aren't here. So, >> yeah. >> That takes care of that discussion. >> No.
>> Anything else? So, we're waiting to appoint them until >> You can appoint tonight. >> Okay. Because we'll be doing that tonight because it takes >> tonight. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Because we have to we vote on that even though the appointment is >> from a particular we confirmed them.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Right. >> Can we talk about paint colors? here. >> I mean, I've put some research into this and I put some options together. And did you get them, Chris, for display?
>> Maybe we can narrow it down a little to what we like. >> Let's see what we get. >> Jay could have been here. >> Y'all, >> we can narrow down what we like. >> Could do that. >> Not show them the other options. >> This is one one of three pictures. This
one has three options. Just the basic what we have now. So, >> I like the chairs. >> The three I know. >> Trust me, I've been focusing on the chairs. >> Yeah. >> So, that's one option. I kind of like the blue, but the white also could make
things pop a little more. >> Uh, this one is a more of a shade of our greenish for the >> logo that we have. And then that's so that's the basic day we have. This one is a little more modern look with a different color on. I
don't know that we need to replace this, but it was just an idea. And you can see the nice gonases in the background. >> The blue doesn't match. Well, we're going to rip the carpet out. >> Well, given where we are with >> what may happen with taxes, I
>> We're lucky we can afford the paint. >> I'm okay with painting. I'm not sure I'm okay with >> new carpet >> and ripping this out and starting over, although we've talked about that for as long as I can remember. >> Yeah. Um,
go back to the three, Chris. >> The one on the left's not a whole lot different than the one we got. Oh, that's just what came up. >> Okay. >> With my little AI buddy here. >> Okay. >> But I think the white or like an off
white would also be clean. >> Go back to the green. >> That would almost fell go with the carpet. >> Yeah. Let me tone it down just a little bit so
it's not quite of course it's hard to tell. >> The other consideration that the commission had discussed is since we have now art in chambers something that goes with the art >> something that goes with the So this art we're planning to just keep this here indefinitely or
>> no still rotate will >> I think it rotates April 1. >> Yeah. >> This one. >> See there's the problem. Unless you're just going to do white or tan >> that's one of the a lot of >> you don't have to worry about matching changing >> matching >> paintings >> paintings
but I I mean that doesn't bother me that the paintings don't match the the walls as long as the walls look good. Yeah. >> All right.
I'm looking forward where it said uh recommended color palettes. The uh classic cream or off-white brightens the space, keeps it formal, ideal for rooms with limited natural light. >> Be us. >> Uh the muted blue evokes trust and
stability. Often used in government spaces. >> Adds a subtle color without being distracting. The warm neutral that's too close to what we already have. Yeah, I like the blue, but we the color
in the Well, >> you have to do seats and carpet. I think we needed blue. >> Then you think the green we could get away with without changing the carpet? >> I don't know. I'm not a designer.
>> We have no public arts people in here. You could also do an accent wall and just make a wall a color if you wanted the the brighter color. >> I had a friend. >> Maybe we could we could do an off-white
all back there and then the blue behind us. >> What do you think, Attorney Green? Exactly. If there is no intention to change anything else in the chambers, then go with a neutral palette such as
the white. >> It is the safest choice. >> Then we could be like those people on the commercial that can't decide between one version of white versus another versus another versus another. Yeah. >> Okay. We're moving towards German really quickly now.
>> I think the majority vote is something off whitish. I can live with that. >> Me, too. >> Classic cream, off-white, bright, formal, and timeless. I even have some color numbers here we
could provide. All right, let me make some notes there and I'll send that along. >> Okay. >> See if something actually comes up. >> Do either of y'all have anything else? All right, we're adjourned. Thank you. >> We recogn Part: 2
Monday, February 23, 2026. First order of business is the legislative prayer by Elder Eric Williams of St. Paul Missionary Baptist Church, followed by the pledge. Please stand if you can. First of all, it's an honor to be here. I thank God for this opportunity. I appreciate each one of you for all you do for the city, me being an employee here. Let's go before the Lord's throne of grace. Heavenly Father, we come to your throne of grace at this time in the name of your son Jesus, giving you glory, giving you honor, giving you praise. Lord, I
just thank you for the gifts and talents that you placed inside of each one of these leaders in their respective positions. Lord, that they make decisions to govern our beautiful city here that we have. I thank you for the citizens of this city, Father God. Lord, and as this commission meeting opens now, Father, I thank you that everything that will be done and said here tonight will be done so decently and in order. Father, I just thank you now that everything from this meeting, Father God, will just make this city a better city for each of us that reside here. Lord, I call this commissioners meeting blessed. I ask these things now in Jesus' name.
Amen. Amen. Thank you. I pledge allegiance to the flag. of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Thank you. So we have a couple of presentations this evening. First is Business Spotlight. Ray Lethar to come on up. Yes, Mayor, thank you very much. This is going to be an exciting introduction tonight.
This is long coming for the city of Sanford. I will kind of step off of the agenda a tiny bit. We also have a business here in Sanford, Taqueria Navarro. which is up on 1792. This is one of those repurposed projects we worked on in the old Sobic subs. So about 22nd in US 1792. They are celebrating their one-year anniversary tonight. This is a beautiful Mexican family, wonderful, authentic Mexican food. I hate to break it to you all, commissioners, but you were missing the three free tacos and a can of soda night. It's going on from 6 to 9
p.m. tonight. So I'd be remiss if I didn't join them. I'm actually going to swing by there and tell them felicidades. So congratulations to them. He did say it's until 9 o'clock. Yes, it does go until 9 o'clock. So depending on the pace of this meeting, perhaps you can all imbibe. Yeah. But tonight's introduction for the Business Spotlight is really a very long coming development for the city of Sanford. So you may find it hard to believe that the city of Sanford hasn't had a hotel developed east of 1792 since the Mayfair. You think about the
deficiency there. And for decades, we've had folks say, oh, we need an airport hotel. We need a hotel out near Boomba. We need a hotel product out there. So when I took this position, there was a hotel project that had been started in the East Lake Mary Boulevard corridor. And I'm gonna let the owner give you some of the finer details, but project had started. We were in the midst of probably the biggest spike in construction costs since maybe the 70s, really. And there were some questions of, hey, what's the demand really like at the airport?
What's the demand really like at Boomba? So I reached out to this individual. This is a family I've known for probably 30 years. They've been local business people here in Seminole County for many, many decades. But reached out to the gentleman that represents the family in this matter, and I said, hey, Andre, what can we do to help you go vertical with the project? So there were some things that his family needed a comfort level on. We were able to get the right people to the table. We worked with the city manager on getting the county folks from Boomba, the Kuhna's department to really sit down and give this family some comfort level there. We
worked with the hotel or the airport and Allegiant folks to make sure they knew that, you know, for years there's been conversations, oh, Allegiant's leaving or their demand's not there. So really got them a comfort level. So tonight it's my honor to introduce Mr. Andre Hickman, who's the president of the family venture that is bringing us the Comfort Inn & Suites. This is a beautiful product. If you've not been out there during the construction, it's tilt wall construction. This is built incredibly beautifully. Will be a massive addition to not just the airport, not just Boomba, not just
the proposed indoor facility out at East Lake Mary Boulevard that Seminole County is currently proposing. But I want to introduce this individual to you and let him tell you a little bit about his family, a little bit about this project in particular, and then some of the other projects he's got going here in the city. So with that, Mr. Andre Hickman. Brady, I can't help but notice that you said the word comfort four times there. Was that a deliberate pun? That is, we are on the clock with marketing with this individual. Right on. With that, Mr. Andre Hickman. Thank you, Brady, for the introduction, Mayor, Commissioners. Very excited. Today is
actually our opening day, believe it or not. We accepted our first guest at around 5 o'clock and very excited. It's been many years in the making. We felt the need out there at the airport area. There's definitely lack of hotel rooms out there. And we, as you can see from the renderings, We have a comfort inn and suites. We're 111 guest rooms, mostly double queen rooms, anticipating the sports teams and the airport family travelers.
As Brady mentioned, one unique feature is we, I don't know if you all stayed at an airport hotel, but usually you can hear airport noise, the planes. And we built this out of tilt wall construction, nine-inch thick. Tilt wall floors, ceiling walls, and I think if you all stay there, you'd be surprised how quiet it is. We did an oversized pool. We did some barbecue grilling areas for families, and it really turned out nice. So
it's an exciting day for us. It's been a long journey. Appreciate working with the city staff to get us to this point. love for you all to come out and see us. We're staffed up to about 17 folks and pleased that many of our staff live right in that area. It's a booming area with a lot of new housing, townhomes, apartments, and a lot of our staff comes right around that area. So we were pleased to see
that. We should have up to 25 when occupancy hits its peak, which hopefully isn't too far away. And very excited for this day. So I encourage you all to stop by and love to give you a tour and show it up. Well, congratulations. Thank you. It's wonderful. Thank you. Mr. Mayor, Madam Commission, I did have the pleasure of taking the tour and was shown around. And one of the things they highlighted, although it's a hotel, they intentionally have a very large barbecue pit area. And that's so the appearance can also enjoy home-cooked
meals that they don't have to go to the restaurant. So we encourage them to go to the restaurants, but they don't have to because the grills there allow them to cook right there. Yes, that's true. Yes, I heard you stop by, so thank you for that. Very exciting day. The other thing, Mayor, again, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention is about the same time I wouldn't say I convinced or the city convinced Mr. Hickman and his family that this was a viable operation, something to pursue. About that same time, there was a vacancy on the TDC, the Tourist Development Commission here in Seminole County. Sanford has not always been well represented in
that. regard as far as hoteliers that served in that capacity. So I will thank Mr. Hickman publicly for being willing to serve on that for about the last eight months. Oh, super. So about a year, he says. So he knows this is a paid position, so he wants to make sure he gets paid for it. Yeah. So anyway, thank you very much, commissioners. And I join everyone in the community in welcoming the latest Hickman venture into town. So thank you, Andre. This brings us comfort. Thank you.
Nikki Osborne to come up as our Director of Community Relations. I'd like to read a proclamation for Black History Month. Whereas the many achievements and contributions made by Black Americans to our economic, cultural, spiritual, and political development are fundamental to American history, and whereas in 1926, historian Dr. Carter G. Woodson established what would become Black History Month to bring national recognition to the accomplishments and enduring contributions of black Americans to American society. Whereas
President Donald Trump in his proclamation stated that black history is not distinct from American history, rather the history of black Americans is an indispensable chapter in our grand American story. Whereas the 2026 Black History Month theme, a century of black history commemorations, I don't know if you caught that, 1926 was the first year. of Black History Month. So we're at a hundred years of it. A Century of Black History Commemorations honors the 100 years of organized national efforts to
document, preserve, and celebrate Black history and heritage. And whereas we should all endeavor to record and share an accurate historical record of the nation's history, acknowledging both triumphs and failures, so that we can understand and learn from our past, And whereas black history is a part of Sanford's history, as is our history of working to bridge divides, foster open dialogue, and move forward in unity and reconciliation, and build a community where all people are valued and respected. Now, therefore, I, Art Woodruff, by virtue of the
authority vested in me as the mayor of the city of Sanford, Florida, in recognition of African-Americans in our community, past and present, do hereby proclaim February 2026 to be Black History Month. Thank you. Hold on. African Americans. Do we get up here? Speech. Miss Lindsey. Chief. Mr. John.
We're going to go back. There you go. Mr. Mayor, members of the commission and to the audience. Last week, Mayor Woodruff announced that he was going to not run for re-election this year. And I got a call from the mayor of our sister city, Lake Mary, asking if he could come and say a few things at this meeting. Therefore, Mayor Mueller. Male Speaker 1, let me introduce him properly. He's the mayor of the town of West Stanford. Male Speaker 1, let me just tell you, when I moved to the city of Lake Mary in 1980,
as a matter of fact, this month in 1980, when the university hired me to develop and direct a graduate program, I was introduced to Lake Mary through the Rotary Club, and that time, the Lake Mary Chamber of Commerce was the second longest continuing operation chamber in the state of Florida, second only to Jacksonville. In 1965, when Seminole, at that time, Seminole Junior College was granted, they established themselves. That chamber in Lake Mary put this big sign up on Lake Mary Boulevard. Welcome to Lake Mary, home of Seminole Junior College. The
very next Sanford Commission meeting, they annexed the college into the city of Sanford. I thought to myself, there's an amazing lesson there. First of all, I'm David Mayle. I have the honor of serving as the mayor of Lake Mary, and I'm here really on behalf of the Lake Mary City Commission because we really are sister cities. And Mayor Woodruff, the way you've conducted yourself, and when you and I campaigned together in 1920, well, 2022. With a face like this, it could have been 100 years ago. I feel like I'm that old sometimes. And I came to have a
deep appreciation for you and your colleagues and what you're doing, what you have done, and what will be to come. And I think tonight's a perfect example of where when something's good for Sanford, it's good for Lake Mary. My wife and I spent a lot of time in Sanford, and I will tell you right now, the Riverwalk that you all brought to fruition is probably one of the most beautiful mental health breaks in all of Central Florida. And if you walk that and you can't relax, then you probably need to take another lap. But Mayor Woodruff,
seriously, for a minute, 20 plus years here, 41 as an educator. I recently retired from the University of Central Florida with 41 years of service. Come to find out that my wife, your mother and your two sisters have worked together over the past. And there's just something that I think back. Your degree is from Chapel Hill. My wife's degree is from Chapel Hill. And there's so many things that we have in common, but our adult lives really have been focused on education and public service. And the way that you have done that is
remarkable. As you know, I serve on the Executive Council for Leadership Seminole. I also serve on the Board of Directors. And because of your situation, you had to step down. You're going to be missed. However, I will tell you, we are very excited and pleased that Commissioner Wiggins will be representing us on behalf of the city of Sanford. You'll be well served. And we stand ready because I know for a fact that what you're doing will benefit us in ways that you can't imagine. And I just know that I'm thankful that I'm in Seminole
County. I'm thankful in many ways because of my mother-in-law, who's 95, and her essence has been started in Sanford. She's now in Lake Mary, but her heart is in Sanford. And I know right now that you will continue to serve this community just in a different capacity, maybe a different title. But know one thing, Lake Mary will always be grateful for the way that you've extended courtesies to us, and we will stand ready to work with you in the future in any capacity. Commissioners, thank you for the time. It is an honor to be
here. Best wishes, sir. Thank you. We are not doing that all year long now. Okay. So first, regarding speaking before the City Commission, to facilitate public input, if you plan to speak on an item, we'd appreciate if you would fill out one of the yellow input forms and submit it. to be brought forward. The public will be given an opportunity to speak on any item before the City Commission during a regular meeting. Before the consent agenda, I will ask if anyone wishes to speak on any item during public hearings, before any motion is made, there will be an opportunity for public discussion. And during regular items, if you have not filled
out a yellow form, if you'd raise your hand when we get to that item, you'll be recognized. There's a three minute time limit for each speaker, for each item, except for person representing the organization. and presenting views during a quasi-judicial hearing. Citizens participation is between public hearings and regular items and individuals may address the Commission on any topic that is not on the agenda and there's a five minute time limit for those comments. So that will bring us to the minutes of February 9 regular meeting and work session. I do want an addition to those I had asked that
the Goldsboro Proclamation be included verbatim in the minutes. So I'd appreciate if that would be added. And I was asked why that was something I requested. The 1911 minutes have the resolution asking the charter to be revoked verbatim in the minutes. And so I thought it was appropriate for this to be in the minutes. So if there are no other changes Do we have a motion? Move to approve. Second. Motion, second. Any further discussion? All in
favor? Aye. Any opposed? Passed unanimously. Does anyone in the audience wish to speak on any item in the consent agenda? Wasn't there an item being pulled? There were two items. Mr. Mayor, consent item K was on the last meeting and consent item O is still waiting for additional information. MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM J FOR DISCUSSION. SO IF WE CAN GET A MOTION ON A THROUGH I AND L THROUGH N.
MOVE TO APPROVE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? NANCY. SO ITEM J. Item J, I don't object to it at all. I just want to make sure that we check the noise level. There's been a couple of events that have happened at the barn. They bring lots of people to the area, very successful, but there have been some complaints in District 1 about how loud the trucks can be, and I think it's just because the noise carries. So, I just wanted to make sure, Chief, that we're just
aware of that. And again, I have no problems with it, but I just wanted to go on the record that Commissioner Britton did say something about it. No objections to it. There's been no problems. Everything is nice and orderly. The noise just does carry into District 1 sometimes. And just to make sure that we end at 10 o'clock, this is not saying that we haven't. I just want to just ensure that and then that the residents are satisfied. With that, move to approve item J. Is there a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Pass unanimously.
Before we start public hearings, and in order to conserve time, I'll read the statement once tonight. When an agenda item includes quasi-judicial process, commissioners must disclose all ex parte communications, including the name of the communicator and the time, place, and substance of the communication. Written communications, commissioners' investigation, site visits, and receipt of expert opinions must also be disclosed and made a part of the record. Persons who have opinions contrary to those expressed in an ex parte communication may refute or respond to communication at hearing when they make their presentation. wayside judicial process,
parties through the proceedings are generally the city and the applicant. Others who have legal standing to appeal the decision can also request to be recognized as a party. Parties are subject to cross-examination and must give their testimony under oath. Persons do not have to be a party to the proceedings to be recognized and provide comments. Members of the public who wish to make comments are not subject to cross-examination and are not sworn in as evidentiary witnesses. Comments of the public that provide facts relevant to the application are considered in the decision. Qualifications of city staff are part of the agenda
materials. All testimony and evidence provided to the city commission must be competent, material, and substantial under Florida law. The guide to quasi-judicial proceedings has been published on the city's website and copies are available at the back of the chambers. So this applies to both of our public hearings, which are both appeals of the historic preservation board denials. So if we'd have city staff that is going to speak rise, And if you are here as a party for 809 Locust or 817 Locust, if you could please rise.
Raise your right hand, state your name. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give in the matters now at hearing will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God. Thank you. So that brings us to the appeal of HPB on 809 Locust. Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of the City Commission. This is the applicant was perfected in application and it went before the Historic Preservation Board and they denied it and it's brought to you today to consider whether or not you want to repeal the denial of the Historic Preservation Board.
Staff will present information and share with you the history. Good evening. I'm getting all set up. Okay. Tonight we have a presentation for you for each of 809 and 817 Locust Avenue. What you'll find is they are very, very similar in their presentation. There are very few differences between the two, so I'll walk through them both, but the second one may go faster than the first. Okay. And let me interrupt you because, as usual, after I read the statement, I forget to ask if anyone has anything to declare. Anybody have anything to declare on
this one? No. I did make a drive-by site visit and did speak with Ms. Scopfield briefly about it. Okay. So first one on your agenda is 809 Locust Avenue. It's an appeal of the Historic Preservation Board action to deny a certificate of appropriateness. So the project, as you can see, is located at 809 Locust Avenue. It is one lot in from the corner, and it's adjacent to the secondary site that we will see after this. So the overview
of the property, it's an appeal of the denial. The owner is McKell International Group. The applicant is Christopher Pembleton, and the parcel number is there on the screen. The background information, the applicant is appealing the historic board's denial of the after-the-fact certificate of appropriateness for new construction at 809 Locust Avenue. The home was constructed at grade, does not match the plans approved through the COA process, and does not match the approved development order. Davila Homes developed four adjacent lots in the Georgetown residential
district, 805, 809, 813, and 817 Locust Avenue. The homes at 805 and 813 were built using city-provided cottage home plans and included the required raised elevations. The residence at 809 Locust was not constructed with the raised elevation or the three steps shown on the HPB approved plans. In 2023, the HPV denied an at-grade proposal through a development order that the applicant signed, no, that the city signed,
declaring that the design without the steps did not meet the Schedule S criteria. So the applicant later received approval through another development order that the applicant signed 2346 for a design that included a raised elevation and front steps extending from column to column. These actions established the required elevation and step configuration prior to construction. So despite these approvals, the home at 809 Locus was built at grade and without the required steps resulting in a structure that
does not align with the 23 approval or the associated plan. In November of 25, the applicant sought approval for the home as built at grade with no step, a configuration that was previously denied. After submitting the 2025 COA application, wood decking was then installed. The ACB determined that the decking did not meet the Schedule S standards. The approved plans also required removal of the existing driveway and restoration of a curb, which remains incomplete. So at this time, a certificate- Go
back one. The existing at the time. Okay. A certificate of completion or certificate of occupancy cannot be issued until these items are resolved. The raised elevation standard is intended to relate new construction to historic homes traditionally built on piers and to maintain consistent porch height, window placement, and entry conditions along the street. All new construction in Georgetown and the Sanford Residential Historic Districts have been required to incorporate a raised elevation with no at-grade designs approved. The home at 809
Locust was subject to the same standard, and the plan was approved with a raised elevation and front steps consistent with district requirements. Residential lot layout. So S24 statement says, to protect the pedestrian character of the community and discourage front-loaded garages, new curb cuts are not allowed for properties that have alley access. Access to the attached garage is from the alley. There is an existing curb cut on Locust Avenue, and the applicant is required to restore the curving. S25, new buildings and their components shall be compatible in scale with each other, the size
of the windows and the doors in relation to the facade. The human body use building elements size for human use and the neighboring structures predominant scale. To achieve the appropriate scale, height and width, length and width, and solid void ratios must be considered. The scale height to width ratio of a street facing facade shall be compatible with and maintain the proportions established by the existing structures within the district. Building form all structures and residential.
So maintain the predominant scale and proportion in the historic district, new buildings, additions and alterations shall be designed so that the elements of the building facade are aligned with the facade elements of the neighboring structures, windows, doors, canopies, door fronts, awnings, etc. Contemporary design for new construction is permitted when compatible with the size and skill of the property, neighborhood, and immediate environment. So all new buildings shall have the main entrance oriented to the principal street and in full view of the public right of way. The scale and massing of new structures and
their architectural elements shall be similar to the contributing structures of similar use in historic districts. And new residential structures shall include a raised foundation to complement the character of contributing structures in the district when appropriate to the style. New buildings shall not exceed 35 feet in height. And primary residential entries for new structures shall face the street and shall not be recessed more than six feet from the face of the primary facade. The structure does not meet the required raised
elevation standard. It was built at grade with no steps and the added deck does not achieve the height or proportions intended by the approved design. During the 2023 review, the applicant was informed of this requirement when the HPV denied the at grade proposal and later approved revised plans with a raised elevation and extended steps. The as-built condition does not reflect those approvals. So this was the denied elevation flat on the ground on slab construction.
This is the revised drawing that has the DO conditions that the steps had to extend from column to column. The applicant revised the front elevation at building permit review to comply. This is the house that's constructed. That is not it. The proposed remedy, they added a wood deck between the two columns, between the columns, and then staff had to go out and acquire the photos after being advised of the change. The applicant did not update their application. So this is a deck that was added. And then these are the examples of new construction,
Georgetown, and the Sanford Historic District. So these are some of the same ones you saw at a previous presentation, but you can see they all have steps, they all have raised elevations, THEY ALL HAVE CONTEXT AND SCALE TO EACH OTHER. SOME ARE HIGHER THAN OTHER, SOME ARE LOWER, BUT THEY ALL HAVE SOME SORT OF ELEVATION RAISE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE DISTRICTS THAT THEY'RE IN. SO RECOMMENDATION, IT'S THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CITY COMMISSION UPHOLD THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD'S DENIAL OF THE CERTIFICATE OF
APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE AFTER-THE-FACT CONSTRUCTION AT 809 LOCUS AVENUE BASED ON A FINDING THAT THE BUILDING ELEVATION IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT and does not comply with the purpose and intent of Schedule S or the conditions of the approved development order or plans that were provided. Thank you. Thank you. Any questions for staff? No. Anyone with the applicant like to come forward? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'm David Lennox for Davila Homes. This is one of those situations where I have to admit it's a bit embarrassing for our company. Davila Homes is a company that
prides itself on delivering great products. Many of our custom homes are architectural masterpieces. coming into this particular situation is difficult for us because we're normally used to winning awards, not public criticism. And in this particular case, I can't stand before you and provide any kind of rationalization or attempt to buffalo you. And the staff is correct. The houses are not at the proper elevation. And in my investigation, this matter, apparently, because we have two houses that are built correctly,
two houses that are not, the project manager in connection with these two houses made a catastrophic oversight in building the houses. My question was, how did they get past the foundation for approval? And in that process, we discovered that the city does not expect for Section S compliance. So this house proceeded from the foundation board all the way through completion with approvals by the city until this issue arose with the
historic preservation board. And at that point, we realized there was a major issue here. We haven't gotten any complaints from any of the neighbors. These are attractive cottage style homes. De Villa Homes is interested in finding some kind of leeway here without demolishing two perfectly good houses, but for three steps in front of the porch. We're cognizant of the fact that there's a fining process set forth in Schedule S. The Villa Homes is willing to engage in a discussion with the city as to
an appropriate fine and aesthetic changes that can be made to the houses to more clearly bring them into appearance in the historic district. And that's essentially what we would welcome. We welcome further conversation with the city to attempt to resolve this matter in lieu of actual demolition of the property. Questions? What kind of, I guess now I'm going back to staff, what kind of aesthetic changes can we make? First of all, I'm not in agreement with any of that, but I don't like waste. And to demolish would be wasteful.
We've got to figure out, not to get off on a tangent, what would be something that could be done so that we would not have to demolish the property? Nothing? Okay. She's thinking on that because we can't keep having this coming up. Yeah. So we got to be able to stand. And if they were able to do two houses right and two wrong, and this keep coming back on us, and this is in my district, and I had to deal with this last meeting. So what's going to happen is we're going to have somebody else come back up here with another excuse.
We have since implemented and. If I may, Commissioner, you raise a good point. You had this, we had this instance or a similar case come up last meeting and you recall me using the phrase case by case because I knew that this was coming before you. What was different in the last instance was that staff was able to determine it was still compatible. It was the issue of six inches. And to determine that there were properties within the area that fit within the purview of that property and therefore as a form of conciliation not require
engineering. I don't even know if demolition is the only solution to this because there may be some engineering requirements or engineering solutions that may be available. The fact that it was inspected at pouring is legally irrelevant. Okay. Because it is the developer who provided the plans. These are not city imposed plans. These are plans that the developer provided. And a development order is just that. It's an order, it's not a suggestion. And it is an order which encompasses
city code, in this case being the Schedule S, plus oftentimes you will have agreements from the developer as to what the developer is in agreement to do. That's those plans. And so it is setting a very dangerous precedent, in my view, to have an order and then allow a developer to deviate from that order. And what the cost is to the developer for not adhering to what the developer signed to do is not legally on the hands of the city.
The developer was clearly aware when it submits, mind you, you have a denial of plans at grade, then a submission of new plans from the developer as to what the developer was going to do. That was what the developer was required to do per that order. Thank you. And I've had conversations, because I always try and have these conversations prior to us getting here, as to the solutions, engineering solutions, whatever solutions, but the financial burden is
not on the shoulder of the city because again, these are not city imposed plans. Right. And the house that was presented to us, it definitely does not fit within the style of the historic district and the plans that was set before them. The cottage homes, isn't that provided by the city though? The engineering, the plans for that? Okay. Commissioner Wiggins, this is your district. I understand. I'm ruling with that. It's unfortunate, but I don't think
we can. I'm not. I'm not. If we do this, this is what they knew. You're a professional. You guys knew what was going on. If you do two houses correctly and then do two wrongs, now we're going to have to deal with it. I move the staff. So. In actuality, you would just be adhering to the denial that was about the historic preservation. Yes. Yes, sir. I would like to ask, and I'm not disagreeing with anything I'm hearing down here, but I would like to ask if Do you have ideas of aesthetic changes that would mitigate this? Yeah, we have developed some plans
for altering the appearance of the house. I spoke with Ms. Schofield briefly before the HRB hearing on them, but I think if we have the opportunity to put together a portfolio that the city can view, and by the way, I'm not talking about a $100 fine here. I mean, this would be the kind of fine that would be a significant discouragement to any other party making a similar error like this. And I do want to emphasize,
this really came down to an issue slipping between the cracks with this project manager. This was not an intentional decision by the company. We are capable of building great houses in compliance with code, and that person is no longer with our company. But there's a significant expense now. We don't know of any way we can raise the elevation without demolishing the house, irrespective of what the engineering plans are. But we're willing to be just as
flexible as the city wants on trying to preserve these houses rather than destroy a house that is otherwise perfectly in compliance with code. And Mr. Lennox, I just want to apprise you. There is no methodology or procedure in place to impose fines. Georgetown area adopted a historic preservation area similar to that which we have downtown for the purpose of making sure that houses were in conformance with historic architecture. paying a
fine, first of all, for which there is no procedure for. There's no number that we can- We can certainly- Between us and the city, we can agree on that. Let me just finish. There is no fine for which there is a procedure for us to implement. But at the end of the day, the property would still be there and it would be there in noncompliance to the historic area that the Georgetown area has asked to preserve. So a fine does not address that issue. I think a fine can be part of a private agreement between the city and
the developer in connection with the resolution of this particular issue. And certainly the VILA would be willing to look at that particular issue in consideration for the error that was made here. Mayor, I just asked Ms. Schofield, and she said that there is no way that it can be aesthetically improved. That's what staff asked. You just asked the developer, but I asked staff according to our code, and she said no. Do you want to say something? The only thing that we've discussed in the past
is whether or not it can be raised from an engineering perspective. As the city attorney has noted, there may be some engineering elements. In lieu of a fine, staff would prefer to see the house raised, take that money, and put the improvements into the structure to make it need code. Because we don't have a fine per se to say you didn't follow the regulations, here's your fine. I mean, we have code enforcement fines and things like that, but that's not going to resolve the issue. The issue should be that if there's a monetary...
a penalty, so to speak, as the applicant is stating, it should be invested into the property to bring it up to the standard to which it was expected to be at construction. Agreed. Agreed. If we uphold the denial, does that preclude him from coming back with an idea to present to you? I mean, I guess he has to come back with an idea of something to do, right? They did present, um, putting railings on the decking that they later installed and some
landscaping. But the HPB felt that that was not adequate to- And it's not. It's not. We can't hold other people to the fire and then just- I mean, even when we're talking about the fine, that would just allow, you know, set of precedents that just says, okay, well, I'll just do whatever I want to and we'll just get the fine. No, we cannot. I hate waste, but we cannot. And I would say that the wooden deck draws attention to it rather than hides it. Okay. Anything else before I open it up to public comment? No, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Is there anyone else in the audience who
wishes to speak to this item? Okay. Then I will close the public hearing and bring in the Commission for action. I move to uphold the historic preservation board's denial for the certificate of appropriateness. Second. Any further discussion? All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Pass. This is the same situation, same applicant, and this is the address of 817 Locust Avenue.
Exact same situation. Yeah. So I'll make this one brief. So this one is 817. Same developer, same street. Same request to overturn or appeal the assert preservation action. This one you can see is on the corner property. It's Solid Planet LLC. Christopher Pembleton is still the same Applicant and the parcel members on the screen they are looking to appeal the denial their certificate of appropriateness for 817 locust Avenue The applicant is appealing the decision the home was constructed a grade does not match
the plans or the development order the Villa homes developed the adjacent homes as noted before and the homes at 805 and 813 where the city approved cottage home plan had the required elevation the 817 Residence was constructed without the raised elevation or the three steps shown on their plan they too went forth with a At grade construction request which was denied by the HPV they returned with an appropriately raised elevation and Were approved for that these
actions established the required elevation and step configuration prior to construction and So despite the approvals, the home of 817 was built at grade without the required steps resulting in the structure, as you will see, that does not align with the approvals or associated plan. And in November of 25, they requested the home be approved with a C of A as constructed. And after submitting the 2025 application, wood decking was then installed and the decking did not meet Schedule S standards. So the CO or the CFC can't be issued until these items are resolved. The
raised elevation standard is intended to relate the new construction to historic homes and then new construction in the Georgetown and the Sanford residential districts has been required to incorporate a raised elevation with no at-grade designs being approved. The home at 817 was subject to the same standard and was approved with the raised elevation and front steps. I'm not gonna read through all of the Schedule S citations again, gone over them if you have any questions i can go back to them and then the structure does not meet the required raised elevation it was built at grade with no steps and
the added deck does not achieve the height or portions intended by the approved design during the 25 review or 2023 review the applicant was informed the requirement when the hvp denied the accurate proposal later they approved the raised plans and the as bill condition does not reflect these approvals as you can see, this was the denied one. This was the revised one, and it's noted that they had to continue the steps across the columns. This is the house as it stands now at grade. You can see it's a distant picture. The shadowing is hard to see, but you can see
in the zoomed-in picture on the corner on the bottom that it is at grade. The proposed remedy with the deck. Staff also acquired this photograph. This is A CLOSER PICTURE OF WHAT IT IS. THESE ARE THE SAME EXAMPLES THAT WE WENT THROUGH A FEW MINUTES AGO WITH THE VARYING DEGREES BUT ALL ELEVATED. IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY COMMISSION UPHOLD THE STORK PRESERVATION BOARD'S DENIAL THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE AFTER THE FACT CONSTRUCTION AT 817 LOCUS AVENUE. based on a finding that the building elevation is not compatible with the character of the historic district and does not comply with the purpose and intent of Schedule S or the conditions
of the approved development orders. Any questions for staff? No questions. But just like how Eileen showed us the examples of what it's supposed to look like, in the future if we don't start correcting these matters, an applicant can come to us and say, well, you allowed this picture and this picture and you allowed it on that house and that house. Even if we put a fine out there, still the problem is still there and it can be brought back to us when maybe I'm no longer in this seat. And someone said, well, years ago
you allowed that to happen. And even like you said, Mayor, we didn't add some of this stuff that don't make you look better. It brings more negative attention to it. So, yeah. All right. The applicant, speak on this one. I simply reiterate my comments as to 809. Okay. Thank you. Anyone in the audience wish to speak on this item? Dina, and I'll close the public hearing. Green Commission for action. This might be totally irrelevant, Attorney Green, and let me know if I'm
in the wrong for asking this, but is there anyone waiting on these homes? I don't know. I don't know at all. I would, you know, not saying that that makes any difference, but I'm just... It has no bearing, but I don't know. I would let you know. That would be really awful if I'm waiting to get into a home. Okay. All right. So do we have a motion? I move to uphold the historic preservation board denial for a certificate of appropriateness for 817 Locust Avenue. Any motion or second? Any further discussion? All in favor?
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and always You made a lot of positive changes by taking a golf cart ride with me when you first became commissioner and made some positive changes. But there's still a lot of work that needs to be done. Chief Smith. Ms. Huygens, Ms. Huygens, you need to address that. Okay. I'm sorry. However, I have still not received any response from the police department. I emailed Chief Smith in October. He forwarded it to two of his officers. I've sent all
three of them four emails. Crickets. I would really like to take someone from the police department on a ride and show them our concerns firsthand. And secondly, Sanford golf cart gurus has brought this up on many events. We should be having quarterly or twice a year carts and cops meetings. where cops show them safety issues, safety guidelines. I mean, we need to be
working together and I think it would be a great idea and I'd love to hear from the police department. Moving on. Tonight I'm here just to say the same thing and I will continue to till I see real positive change in the golf cart zone, the golf cart map and the city registration process. The current golf cart map is simply not working. It's difficult to read, confusing to residents, and impossible for visitors to understand. We need a clear, more concise,
friendly version, hopefully a mobile app that we could put on our phone. The golf cart zone needs to be updated, corrected, and expanded with safety at its top priority. Our community has grown, and the current system has not kept up. Mellonville Street is 25 miles an hour from 25th to 1st. It is just as safe, if not safer, than Park, Oak, Sanford, or Palmetto, for that means. It's wide. There is no
reason we should not have Mellonville on the map. We also believe we do not need to spend the city's time, resources, and money on a speed study on a road that's 25 miles an hour. Everyone, anyone can make the choice to break the law and speed, whether you're on a motorcycle, a golf cart, a bicycle, whatever. We should not be punished or even need a speed study on a road that's 25 miles an hour.
Sanford has a strong and positive golf cart community. Oh, I left off a part. My main concern and wanting Melonville open is so that I don't have to cross over into a golf, a non-golf cart zone, go all the way down, then come to a five-way crossing 300 feet from a light and cars don't even know we're coming. It's much safer for me to turn from 24th, drive four lots and turn on Grandview. I have a
clear mile to mile eyesight and can turn there safely versus the way it is now to cross over Mellonville, drive all the way around and cross back over Mellonville to get back in the zone. It's not, I mean, we do it, but it's not safe. Moving on with that, we also want to go and support our baseball. We can't, everyone's breaking the law and it's okay, doesn't work for us. We should be able to get in our golf
cart, drive up Mellonville and go to the ballpark and support our ballpark and our businesses. Sanford has a strong and positive golf cart community that supports local businesses, events, our downtown area whenever our community or organizations have asked for help, whether it's Seminole High School class of 1965, whether it's the Seminole, it's like our citizens academy, but it's for citizens of Seminole. Every year when they do those classes, golf
carts go, sorry, golf carts go to the city or to where they're meeting at the building department and give them rides to Hollerbacks. so they're not late for their class. So please, I'll be here in the next two weeks. Show me some action and positive change. Thank you. Thank you. And Chase Spohr. Evening, Chase Spohr, 1219 Park. I'm just going to start real quick with the elevation thing. That was brought up by HPV about six to eight months ago. But I
think Steven, about these things being approved, and as he was driving sites, he noticed that they were not at grade. And he said if none changes, we're going to have to start denying them. And there's still a bunch coming, so you guys just be ready for that. And I think at the end of it, Julie said she was going to talk to the permitting and inspectors. But again, here we are. And it's interesting to watch the conversation of the DO be so compassionate last week and strict this week. My DO, my second DO, my first one that was illegally overturned because it wasn't issued in the eight days that
our code provides, has my fence in there. I just got approval for half a fence hours before this meeting, and it was said that The DO only included half the fence. Texturally, that's true, but if you look at the actual visuals of Exhibit B, E, and F, it is visually on there and verbally written on the site plan. And that's the site plan that was approved in both meetings and brought up in the second meeting that said, we've already established this to be the site plan moving
forward. Let's not pick it apart again. So here we are again just picking details. They get harsh treatment, they get easy treatment, and it's just back and forth. And here I can't put a fence up. I texted Sheena, I sent you an email. I have my daughter there and my son there all the time because I'm there constantly. I moved my corporate job there because I already paid for the internet and the power bill, so I might as well use it. I work from home. I'm there constantly violating people on there. So, last week the police came twice
at 5 in the morning smoking either fentanyl crack in the back and wouldn't leave the property. I had to knock a crack pipe on my daughter's hand the other day. We picked up seven adult diapers full of poop. Many women's products that are used that have bugs in them. It's disgusting. I brought it up to everyone here about the fence. Board Preservation told me just keep cleaning it up. The south fence probably shouldn't be there because the more eyes we have on
the property, the less often this will occur. Some kind of magic superpowers with visibility is going to stop this. Hasn't in 30 years. And then quoted, once I'm open and it's cleaned up, this will handle itself. It's hilarious because now I have half the fence I can put up and still can't be open. Here I am still. pushing to move this forward on issues that were decided twice at Commission. The reviews that came back had to
do with irrigation again, even though 2.7 of Superior Landscape Program and Design covered that. There was a disagreement. We took it to Commission, voted in favor unanimously, brought back up again illegally because the DO has eight days, not 30 from the beginning, all the time ago. I don't know what to say. I guess I'm just going to keep coming up here and rambling because that's all that's left to do because we can't, I can't keep my property safe, I can't keep my family safe, and if a half a fence is allowed and I am open, how am I going
to keep my staff safe and our customers' carts safe? Visibility by people driving by. Someone drove by the other day and shot my window out with a BB gun. Had to replace that too. So it's just absurd. It's in three, it's in half of the visual exhibits that are in there, and I have half a fence, and I'm suggested to do half wood, half metal, which HPV, if you go there, they don't like dual material. They fight that all the time. And now I'm supposed to put dual material up, and the suggestion is to put a chain across it? They've been stepping over the site development construction fence every day
with me there standing there. I had a conversation the other day with a man with his privates in his hand using my backyard and I asked him not to and he sat there looking at me like I was the one in the row. So, it's not like act like it's going to change with visibility. What's going to change is the DO that's been approved unanimously several times is actually allowed to move forward and meet allowed open. Thank you. Thank you. Chase, you're not rambling. We appreciate you for bringing this to our attention. You are not rambling. I
don't know why it is such an issue. I mean, we have rules for a reason, but I don't think I've, in my history of working at the city of Sanford, 15 some odd years, six years sitting on the dais, have ever seen something be so difficult for a resident business owner to try to get their business open. I don't know what the issues are. I'm tired of going to meetings. I agree with you, everything that you said, Chase. We don't even hold our own selves
accountable for the gates and crap that we have. So I apologize on the behalf of the City of Sanford for what that means for you right now. Nothing. But you're not rambling. Thank you. Does anyone else in the audience wish to speak to the Commission? And we will go to the request for city utility service at 1765. Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of the City Commission, the City has received a request for service at 1765 Rosebrook
Lane. It is the staff's recommendation City Commission approved the request for city utility services as a single family residence. When utility services are available, the owner shall be responsible for the payment of all applicant fees and connections to the City's distribution system. Questions or motions? Move to approve. Second. Chris, can you bring up a map that's in the packet? I thought it was. Maybe it's not. Actually, how quickly can you bring up Google map of that area? No, I really want to see all this over here.
I want to see the whole neighborhood. Actually, I should have prepped you for this. Well, I'll just explain it. Don't worry about it, Chris. It's going to be hard to tell anyway. But this is the area behind Washington Oaks. And we keep bringing in individual pieces for utilities only, but we're not annexing them. And we're almost there. Okay. But the problem is,
and hopefully we can work this out in our JPA if we get there. Maybe we need to become more aggressive in annexation. But the issue is, You know, almost all of that is counting back there in between Washington Oaks and the water. But we're providing utilities. And if at some point we decide we want to annex it and clean up the lines around the city, and I brought this up before and it just, it's irritating me more and more, I
think. We don't get the impact fees if we ever annex. And so, I'm not saying deny this one, but I think we need to have, take this discussion to the next step. You know, we have all these annexation agreements all the way down Celery Avenue. When would we ever annex that? And the Chief is suddenly going to have to have more officers and police guards, but we're not giving them money to do it. Okay. So, you know, I know you're meeting with, about JPA and I tried to
find the annexation statute that we have discussed before where you can do it through the utility service area, I believe. And I'm not asking you to address that right now. Okay. Because we're going to approve this when we move on, but I think that's a discussion we need to move further. Yes. Move forward. Okay. And that is likely to be one of the spin-off discussions, so to speak, as a result of the joint planning agreement. Okay. So if
the joint planning agreement, you know, as we're moving forward, discussions, and it really just boils down to annexation or if it's design criteria, whatever it is we want, there may be alternative agreements that may be easier to process than the full JPA. Okay. But we've been doing this all over. It's all along Lake Mary Boulevard, all kinds of places where we provide water, and we make them sign. And I'm the one that pushed that idea, that they had to agree to be annexed in the future, but it doesn't do us any good. with residential property. So. I'm hoping forward, Mayor, I'm going to be involved in those discussions with Seminole County, so we're setting a
meeting now to discuss the JPA and some of these spin-off issues. Okay, good. Thank you. All right, so we had a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Passed unanimously. Resolution 3460. Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of the City Commission, this is a resolution for the golf event and rentals at the Mayfair Clubhouse. I move to approve. Second. Motion and second. Any further discussion? All in favor? Aye. Any
opposed? Pastor Nancy Annesley, resolution 3461. Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of the commission, this is a resolution amending the classification pay plan for a temporary GIS analyst. The current GIS analyst is going to be retiring in June and has been with us for 10 years and we'd like to have somebody to come on and train before the person leaves. Move to approve. Motion to approve. Motion to approve. Second. Motion to second. Any further discussion? I think you just answered a question. I would have had Mr. Bonaparte because in the background on this, it said who
has served for the city for nearly insert number of years. It's 10? We discussed that 10 and a half. That was a mistake by staff. Motion to second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Pastor Nancy Lee, resolution 3462. Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of the commission, this is a resolution Staff is asking you to approve Resolution 3462, amending the grant agreement relating to the Department of Environmental Protection, Sanford South Wastewater Treatment Facility, as well as approve the associated procurement of a sand grit removal
at the South Water Resource Center. Questions or motion? Move to approve. Second. Second. Any further discussion? All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Trustee Nancy Slee. Resolution 3463. Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of the City Commission, Resolution 3463 is approving a state revolving loan agreement, number one, with Florida Department of Environmental Protection and loan amount as loan agreement, if you see in your agenda memo, to construct the ultraviolet light advanced oxidation process and granular activated coal
carbon to remove pre and post-fluorodactate substances. One for dioxins and total triadherins and drinking water and I appreciate your understanding of the pronunciation. That was pretty good, Mr. Bonaparte. Move to approve. Second. Okay. And before we vote on this, I would like to make sure we point out that there's one, this is on a loan document, but it's 100% forgiveness and will be turned into a grant and Our staff and our
attorneys worked very hard to get this for the city. And so, you know, this is what we had the shade meeting about earlier, where we've got this lawsuit against the responsible parties, but this is moving us forward to get the plant done regardless. So, all in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Pass unanimously and approving the rankings. Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of the City Commission. City staff is recommending City Commission ratify the ranking of the request for qualification selection committee
regarding negotiations with Wharton Smith. Questions or motion? Move to approve. Is there a second? Second. Is there a discussion? No. After all that, no? No discussion. All right. Motion and a second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Pass unanimously. City Attorney comments. I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO REMEMBER A LION OF UNITED STATES HISTORY THAT PASSED AWAY RECENTLY, REVEREND JESSE JACKSON, WHO PASSED
AWAY ON THE 17TH OF FEBRUARY, AN ACTIVIST, CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST. AND SO JUST HIS SHOULDERS FOR WHICH MANY OF US STAND. I JUST WANT TO REMEMBER HIM AT THIS MEETING. I APPRECIATE THAT. I VOTED FOR THAT MAN IN 1988. We'll miss them. City Clerk's report. I don't have anything tonight. Are you sure? I do have some board openings. I didn't know if they were going to go under your... So I need, Commissioner Austin is not here. I've given you, we've gotten two applicants so far at
this point. We have three that want to come off of that board, CDBG. So I need Commissioner Thomas. TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT, AND COMMISSIONER BIRTH. OKAY. AND I WILL MAKE SURE THAT, UM, YEAH, PASTOR DONKIN GETS AN APPLICATION IN, BECAUSE HE, UM, HAS ASKED ABOUT THIS MANY TIMES, AND I THINK HE CONTACTED A COUPLE OF YOU. SO DO EITHER OF Y'ALL HAVE ONE YOU WANT TO APPOINT NOW? NO. I DO NOT. I WOULD LIKE TO APPOINT CAROL COHEN TO CDBG.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Pastor Nancy. City Manager's Report. Mr. Mayor, I have nothing except to remind the Commission that there is a Sanford business celebrating one year today up until 9 o'clock. Commissioner Thomas. Let's see. First thing, most important thing, I would like to donate $500 from my account for public purpose for Juneteenth celebration as I did last year. Move to approve. Thank you. I just wanted to
give some background as to the public purpose. It could just be short, Commissioner. Yes, Juneteenth is a wonderful celebration every summer that celebrates the history of that momentous occasion when we celebrated the freeing of the slaves in Texas, was it? And they have an event. It's in the Fort Mellon Park area. I welcome everybody to come. Please come to that event. It serves the community well and really respects that history. And I filled out the forms for it, believe it or not. Cindy, Lindsay, wherever you are. Did you fix the forms? Yes, I did. Thank
you. You know me. Okay, also. Wait, we need to second. Second? All in favor. All right. Can you pose? Okay. Thank you, thank you. Went to see the Hollerback mural, the new mural on the side of Hollerback's. Wonderful view there of the history of the city. Kudos on that. On the 13th, I finally had not a conflict. I was able to attend a fire department pinning ceremony. And so we've got five new recruits and they just look so gung-ho and ready to help the chief and his team there. So chief, thank you for
picking good recruits as always and nice ceremonies. As you heard, I went and did the golf cart tour with Victoria Huggins. So, yeah, I can see there are some awkward places around there where people have to drive. I actually looked up the map again, and the map looks pretty readable to me, but that doesn't mean that we can't take a look at things and how we can help the community there. Love Your Shorts Film Festival, I highly recommend going to that every year. It's a great event. Main Street Meeting, we talked about, oh, Main Street Meeting. Have we gotten the
documents we need from them? We did get some documents. I don't know if they've been reviewed. We did get some documents. They're still looking for other documents. Okay. Let me know if I need to remind them again at the next meeting about that, and we'll make sure it happens. I was going to talk about the Black History Showcase, but I didn't make it because I had it on the wrong date in the calendar, so skip that. Let's see. Babe Ruth opening day was a fabulous day. That was, I cannot believe how hot it was.
We're about to hit a cold front again. But great job by Parks and Recreation. Lisa, I still say you cannot retire, but I respect you for that. just flawless. Everything is flawless with that. To see so many teams, so many kids, so many sponsors coming out and really supporting that. And thank you again for the hat. And we really enjoyed that. And I think that's the extent of my comments. I also want to do $500 for public purposes in June too. Do I need to repeat what she said? Okay. The educational event has ever been set
on the record. Yes. Okay. All right. Second. All in favor? Hi. I also want to commend on Saturday, as she said, and she didn't tell you she threw the first pitch and right down the middle. But again, opening day ceremony, you guys do a great job. Sweetheart, you know we're going to miss you. But always perfect job. But we had 40 to 50 kids that are going to be participating in our Bay route. So again, a lot of opportunities to have our kids doing something that is productive. Black History Program at Westside, Mr. Henderson, as always, did a great job with that. The kids performed awesomely.
He even had the mayor came up and did the proclamation, and he had citizens of Goldsboro stand up so that he could be able to read what he wrote, what he read, here when we did the quilt. And so that was also great. Again, I always believe in for our kids to be able to know their history. If they don't know their history, they know where they came from. They don't know where they're going to be going. So we got to make sure that we allow them to know that, and that was awesome to be able to do. Thursday, I got my community meeting again at 6 p.m. at Westside. All are welcome. No matter what district you live in, you're still able to come out and get the information
that we have. Food giveaway will be at Coastline Park at 3 p.m. If you know someone that needs groceries, please let them know. Again, we don't check to see where you live at, where you come from, if you need groceries. We do 60 to 75 families in partnership with the Picnic Project. that I'll be having my fourth annual community day at Westside, which will be from 10 to 12, excuse me, 10 to 2. We have Croom, Seminole High School, Sanford Middle, Millennium, Markham Woods, Greenwood. We have face painting. If any of y'all want to come
out there and get your face painted on Saturday, y'all come out and get your face painted. We're going to have all kinds of opportunities for all ages. They'll have board games. Everything is going to be free, bounce houses. If you want to come out and jump in the bounce house, all of that. So it's all free. Come on out. Thank you all. Ms. This Saturday. Mr. Bonaparte, can we get with Ms. Huggins and figure out this golf cart thing? As lovely as of a person that she is,
I do not want to see her back at this meeting complaining about golf carts. I know for a fact that she represents at least six people, six residents from the Mellonville, the opposite side of Mellonville area. She's not only speaking for herself, she's also speaking for the golf cart gurus. There's hundreds of members there. Can we figure out what it is that she needs, what the golf cart gurus need, what we need for our golf cart community to get this handled? The ask for the map is not too much. The ask for the app is not
too much. We have interns. We have brilliant employees here. Can we get this situation under control, get it handled, and let this not be another complaint? I've been on this dais for six years, and for six years, we have been talking about the golf cart map, golf cart safety. I've sat. at a meeting where she's brought in folder after folder when we had the previous public works director. We've all, if we haven't, we should have taken the tour on the golf cart. Can this be something that we scratch off, sir?
Also for Mr. Spohr, at this point, Can we lay the red carpet down? Can we make sure that our businesses are happy with the City of Sanford? Can we do what it is that we need to do and treat people how we want to be treated at this point? I appreciate Mr. Spohr coming to these meetings. I would not like to have him to continue to keep coming to these meetings. Let's figure out what it is that we need to do to be good representatives of the City of Sanford. I mean,
it's meeting after meeting, month after month, year after year. I am not placing blame on anyone, but Mr. Bonaparte, sir, I'm asking you to get with staff if that doesn't, you know, if I'm not overdoing the City Charter. But let's get some of these things handled. I'd like to donate $1,000 to SAO for the Juneteenth Festival. This is covering city costs. The reason why I'm saying this amount and the other commissioners have is because a lot of
the funding has gone away. The city commission will be discussing how we can support our businesses and the public-private partnerships to keep the events happening, but for District 1, Juneteenth funding will be going towards city costs for a public purpose. May I have a motion? Move to approve. Second. You do it. You're making the motion. You don't have to have somebody else do the motion. I move. Move to approve. Motion and second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Mardi Gras was phenomenal this year. Thank you to all that put those on. The
food truck was phenomenal. It was great. Also, the Babe Ruth was amazing and I just reiterate everything that everybody else said. Lisa, thank you. I'm going to say thank you. Every meeting, Jerry, phenomenal job. I appreciate everything that you do and you all are my favorite department. You just really are. You're first class all the way in everything that you do. And can you please tell Buffy that I said thank you just for being an awesome representative of the city of Sanford. Mr. Johnson, I sat in a meeting with five members of your employees. And Mr.
Bonaparte, I want to say kudos to staff for going above and beyond getting grants. They needed an approval from the City Commission, and I think they spoke to other commissioners as well for a letter. I think that's amazing that our employees are looking for grant funding to support our city, and again, that goes above and beyond what their other duties as assigned, and that reflects good on the City of Sanford and reflects good on your department, sir. That concludes the District 1 report. Commissioner Burton, I'll certainly get with the police chief regarding the golf court concerns and then also with
Mr. Raimondo regarding the property on Park Avenue that Mr. Spurs talked about. Okay. And I did not see an email, Mr. Bonaparte, but I couldn't. I've been very busy, but I really need those logs for the trash. I sent an email regarding, well actually I sent a text message, sir, regarding the trash on Mellonville, and I want to make sure that we hired that person, so we need to make sure that we're seeing those logs so that I don't get our residents complaining about all of the trash that's along Mellonville and other hot spots that we have where we have
a lot of litter. So I would like to see the logs on that, and let's just make sure that we're on top of those areas. And that's it. Mr. Brown-Parp, just to clarify though, I believe you've already spoken with staff about 1219 Park Avenue, have you not? We have had a number of meetings and discussions about that. Regarding what? 1219 Park. And I went and visited with them this weekend. And I believe I heard them say tonight that the fence was on one document, but not on another document, but was in the pictures. So to tell staff just
to let people do, I don't think is a wise move. Well, you know, that's not what I was saying. So don't put those words in my mouth because you know that's exactly what I was not saying, Mayor. And so just reiterate, opening day, very good. The Black History event at Westside was excellent. And we are adjourned. I didn't jinx it.