--------- Okay. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'm ready to begin. >> Okay. So, we will go ahead and call to order the meeting Sanford City Commission in work session for uh June 8th, 2026. We've got an add-on for our agenda. So, we're going to start with uh
Mr. Johnson from uh public works. >> Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of the city commission. Mr. Johnson would like to introduce some of his new staff. >> Oh, how exciting. >> This is about the only time we want to see him. >> Good afternoon, mayor and commission. Uh
Brent Johnson, I just want to take a minute of your time to introduce two new staff members to the public works and utilities department. Um one employee is uh Dennis Canalakis. Dennis is the facilities maintenance superintendent. And the next employee is uh Brian
Warren. If you all recall, you approved a new position as a part of his current budget. And it is the plants maintenance superintendent. He oversees all the plants as well as uh 83 lift stations throughout the city. And so I wanted to take a minute to introduce those two and
they can come up and say a word if they'd like to. >> Is that Richie's old position? >> Uh no ma'am. Okay. Um that's Mike Falcon. >> Mike Falcon got that position. Okay. Wonderful. >> You're welcome. >> Well, Commissioner, also one of them is brand new that you just created,
>> right? Thank you, sir. >> Good afternoon. My name is Dennis Kalakis. I'm the superintendent for facilities maintenance. Um I began the beginning of April. Um so far, everyone's been wonderfully welcoming and um I'm enjoying my position. I have my work cut out for me here.
>> Yes, you do. How do you spell that? >> Uh, hello. >> K A. >> It's a K A N E >> L A K I S. >> Got it. Welcome, Dennis. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> This one I can start. Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Brian Warren. Um, I start at the beginning of May this year with the city of Sanford and I'm very thankful for the opportunity with city council and uh Brent and Mike
Falcon. I do bring a lot of experience with uh wastewater and water. I've been in the industry for about 20 years. Um, various municipalities in Pennsylvania and Florida and I look forward to doing a fantastic
job for the city of San residents. >> All right. Well, if you're from Pennsylvania, you bring some good experience. >> Why did you have to >> You knew I was going to >> I'm sorry. >> It's great experience from Pennsylvania. that I I grew up outside of Philadelphia for
and then I moved down here when I 2022. >> Okay. Welcome to the team. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Johnson. >> Mr. Mayor, ready for the next item? >> Yes. >> And it is the presentation of the annual comprehensive financial report. And with that, I'll call on Miss Lindsay, our
finance director. Good afternoon, mayor and commissioners. I want to introduce turn it over to um Mr. Bill Blend. He's with our auditing firm um Forvis Mazars. >> Thank you, Cindy.
>> Good afternoon, mayor, commissioners. Bill Blend, For Mazars. Um first and foremost, I'd like to thank Cindy and her staff. Obviously, going through the annual audit is, you know, not something they do on a daily basis. So they've got to have a lot of extra stress put on them during the audit process. So we
thank them for their cooperation um and responding to all our requests. So it's a good working relationship we have. So want to get that out there. I'd like to do today is really cover a couple things with you. Our required communications um and then secondarily do a highle
overview of the financial statements for you. Um and then as always I would offer it up um if there's any questions obviously today but oftentimes people take a second look at the document maybe have some questions we're always available feel free to reach out we'd be
happy to discuss anything in the document you know in the future as well and with that I'll find the clicker see if I can it worked all right so required communications uh talks about our responsibilities essentially to follow the audit requirements within the state
of Florida, perform our audit in accordance with those standards and then produce a report for you. Management's responsibility, I talked about that a little bit previously, respond to all our inquiries and provide us with a representation letters essentially saying that they did so. Um, the audit
adjustments, we had two immaterially uncorrected misstatements. Again, staff has to close the financial statements out. So this is just something that in the normal course of their processing at the end of the day you have to set a deadline for when you want to do your
financial reporting and then things get we look at things up through the end of the audit fieldwork and so sometimes we'll find some immaterial items and that's what happened here and we're simply putting that as part of our communications. um significant issues discussed with management. Nothing
significant. Um you know, we we have several conversations obviously with staff about the audit process, things like that. Uh potentially talking about maybe things to help improve, but nothing major to bring to your attention that's of a concerning nature. And then difficulties encountered, we had none.
And so with that, I don't mean that to be well, I meant that to be short and sweet, but certainly don't want to overlook it. If you have any questions about the required communications, I would take those now. >> Any questions? >> No, sir. >> All right. >> Okay. Um, this area is going to talk about our
report. So, the main audit report about your financial statements. You you received an unmodified opinion, meaning that we've performed our audit. We've evaluated the financial information and we had uh no adjustments to make to that
and we uh sign off on that as being materially correct. So no issues there essentially a clean report. Um your report on internal control over financial reporting. So as part of doing an audit of a government uh audit standards require that we issue this
report. We evaluate your internal controls for the purpose of planning our audit. um and we had no findings in there, no identified weaknesses in your internal control. The next report there is your compliance on major federal programs and state projects. So we
select we get a what we call a SIFA schedule of federal and state assistance. Uh we identify major programs, we audit those major programs for compliance with the agreements with those state and federal agencies and we had no findings to report to you when we performed those services.
The examination report is on your investment compliance with Florida statute. So, this is a requirement specific to the state of Florida. We evaluate your policy with compliance with the uh state statute on uh your investment policy and you're in compliance with that statute. So, again,
no findings. And then the last doc or report that we are required to formally present to you is the management letter. That's a requirement of the rules of the auditor general in the state of Florida and we had no additional findings or comments to report to you in that. So
with that those are all our deliverables if you will if there's any questions about any of the reports. >> Any questions? >> No sir. >> Okay. >> Um so again this is a very high level. If you look at your document I'll tell you how many pages the document is this
year. uh 178. So I I read the the ones the last number without my glasses on. So if it's 179, I apologize. But obviously there's a lot of information in here, a lot of useful
information to you, the citizens. Um and again, this is very high level. So if you have any questions or want to dig into this, we can certainly do that. Um what we try to do is just kind of present to you what we call that current ratio. So your ability to pay your
current liabilities with your current assets, right? So most businesses look at this number, you know, if they're trying to figure out we're going to make it through the next year or whatever. And you can see you have a very strong, what I would identify as a very strong number there of 8.8, you can see it's been fairly consistent there in the
governmental side as well as your business type activities. And so u when you evaluate your ability to pay your current liabilities from our perspective, you clearly meet that criteria. uh we you see the numbers for assets in our favorite in the government reporting world what we call deferrals
or deferred inflows and outflows and those are transactions that are going to impact future periods. Um but essentially your assets over your liabilities and you can see your assets well exceed your liabilities in both your governmental and your business type activities and then most people kind of
look at the net position or the equity portion of the financial statements. And you can see there if you look at you can see obviously in each case and in each year presented here uh your biggest dollar amount is your investment in capital assets the building roads um and
other physical assets that the city has and even some of those are intangible assets but uh then we look at restricted restricted are those things that are restricted by third parties agreements mostly grants um and then really that unrestricted component which is
essentially the dollars or dollars that drop to the bottom line what you have available to you uh to pay bills or decide what projects you want to do and things like that. So you can see in my opinion uh that unrestricted amount at this point in time appears to be strong
and healthy what I would identify uh under those definitions. Um and then we kind of show you your unrestricted net position as a total of expenditures. So, you know, if you looked at your current period expenditures for 24 and 25, the two periods presented, how much of that
do you have in that unrestricted net position, and you see about 50%. If it's not an exact correlation, but essentially suggesting that if you had to go six months without bringing in any revenue, potentially you could pay all your bills, but then after that, you'd
have to figure out a way to move forward, right? Um and then you could look at your net change in the current period there and you have a positive net change to your net position in each period presented in both governmental and your business type activities. So again I want to point out this is
entitywide or what the government accounting standards identify as um full acrruelbased accounting tries to simulate um private business but in the reality you really can't correlate that 100%. Before you move on, if I may. >> Yes.
>> The current ratio that you pointed out there at the top, um, >> are those numbers comfortable to you? Are those looking like averages? Uh, and and maybe another question is when would you start to get concerned? What would the number be? >> You, it would take quite a bit for me to
get concerned based upon those ratios. Okay. Um, I would say in the private side of the world, somebody with a current ratio, so normally you're looking cash and liquid things that you can turn into cash fairly quickly to pay
your current liabilities, accounts payables, your regular vendors, things like that, your payroll, right? So that's what you're looking at, your current expenditures that you have or your, excuse me, your current liabilities, I should rephrase that, your current liabilities. And so those can get paid right eight times over
essentially. Yeah. So >> thank you. >> Um so this is the general fund is the main operating fund obviously the city the one that we look at most likely. Obviously you have a lot of other funds special revenue funds uh debt service funds things like that. But this is the
one that your main tax revenue goes into um and supports your general operations of the city. And so kind of going through this and the next slide is going to go to your budget and we'll cover that in a second. But if you just look at your assets again to your liabilities um you in my opinion you sit at a strong
place here in your general fund currently. If you look at again going into that what's called net position on full acrruel here we call it fund balance. Um what and the difference in between those two is you don't have long-term liabilities. So you have
pension um debt issuances and things like that that in this number this is strictly current uh assets and current liabilities essentially in your general fund. So you look at the unassigned and again the categories non-spendable are things like prepaids or inventory. Um
and then assigned is similar to restricted you know things that you've already put identified as where you're going to spend those resources. That unassigned is what you kind of have available. And so that's why we evaluate that as to the expenditures. So on the full ac crew I think we looked at like
50%, here you're at 47 and again similar discussion in my opinion you're in a strong place as you currently or as you sat at fiscal year end 25. So and then your change while that was a negative change you can see that over the last year larger than the 24 change right
it's a decrease in your fund balance. You'll see here when we look at the budget, you actually budgeted for a net change a loss of of $10 million. Okay? So, when you you look at the change, you say, "Oh, nobody likes to lose, right? Or go down, if you will." Um, you can
see you actually budgeted for a much larger decrease in your fund balance. So, why did you not meet that goal of your budget? Because you had revenues come in in excess and you had expenditures less than what you had budgeted for. So uh overall that that's
what this slide is presenting are there the next slide the next slide covers your business type activities your proprietary now again these are really meant to be self um uh in other words not be funded by any uh public funds
right it's meant to be covered by user charges so customer charges um and you can see that and also here you want to think of this as a business activity so if you a good business is going to look at its future. It's going to look at its needs to replace assets, especially in something like the water or sewer or
your storm water utility. You know, you have a hurricane, things happen, right? So, in my opinion, this is a personal opinion, right? But a professional one is that you want to have a healthy situation here. If you're running uh very tight here, if you have any hiccups, any major outlays of cashes
that you need, now that's not my decision. That's this board's decision, right? This commission's decision. But I'm just giving you my perspective as you know a business person. I I think when you're looking at a business type activity, you're trying to be in a strong place. And I think this slide
presents to you that you sit there currently. So um I think that's all I had as it relates to financial statements, but I'm happy to answer any questions. Um in the paragraph summaries that we have there might be there was
just one little thing that confused me and it was on the storm water fund. It says storm water fund revenues are down by 97%. The revenue increases due to so that statement there just confused me. I think we might have put a in fact it
actually says storm water fund revenues are down up. >> Is that the um quarterly in the Oh, maybe it is a quarter. >> I think that's in the quarter. >> That's different. All right, you're off the hook. >> I was Well, I was gonna turn back. Cindy's back there, so I was gonna let
that doesn't ring a bell to me, but you know, >> we were just trying to make sure you knew >> that was a test. >> Thank you. I appreciate Well, it's good to put somebody on the spot. >> Um, if there's no other questions or >> no comments, thank you very much.
Appreciate your time. I I think there's a requirement for you guys to officially accept this. So I think that's our agenda tonight >> is being asked for here. >> So I'll hang on until that happens, but I don't know how to you want to handle that one. >> It's tonight at our 7 p.m. meeting. Does
he need to be here for that? >> I don't think he needs to be here. >> Yeah, you don't need to stay for that. >> All right. >> It's on our consent agenda, I think. Great. >> All right. Thank you very much. >> Thank you very much. Have a great day. >> By the way, did anybody feel the earthquake that they talked about? >> Yes. Yes, I did. >> Yeah,
>> just curious. But yeah, it sounded like it was really large. So hopefully everybody's safe. Thank you. >> I was in Wind and I felt it. >> Okay, which brings us to the quarterly reports. >> And you already have a hot question. >> Well, it's already been answered. Hard
spotted it, too. It was a typo. >> No, I don't I don't know what the answer is. I haven't marked to ask, is it? >> All right. Good afternoon, mayor and commissioners. um the quarterly report you have in front of you and that was our fiscal year September 30th 25 financials. Sorry, I should have introduced that a little better. Um this
what you have now is your um six month quarterly financials for 2026 and um I will start on page three with the general fund
and you can see some of the um revenue is coming in lower than last year. I can tell you license and permits is due to audit um um journal entries. So that will correct itself somewhat um in the future. Um but the rest is um just
trends that we are actually seeing right now. Um any questions on general fund? questions. No. >> Right. >> Um the next one I will go over as you as usual is Mayfair. Um which is on page
14. Um currently it's showing a loss of $427,000. However, operationally um it's a um operational gain of 93,000.
The difference is due to capital. And then um the marina is showing a loss of 197,000 with an operational gain of 66 and the rest is due to capital. And then the next item I'll go over is
on page 17, which is the pensions, fire and police. Um, currently we're still seeing um a loss in both police and fire as of the six months ended um March 31st. Um they're not as big of losses as we're
seeing in the previous year, but they are still losses and that's all market If only we could control that. >> Any questions on the finances? >> I don't >> I do have a quick question because in the past
Every year there would be, oh, we've got to come up with a million dollars to shore this up or 500,000 to shore this up. We haven't been doing that lately. >> Is that Are we budgeting better for city contributions to meet the actuarial requirements?
>> Oh, for pensions. >> Yeah. >> Um, I started um a few years ago um budgeting more to make them 100%, but um I believe it's the police that's actually overfunded right now. you know, I am cutting back on that in 2027
because we overfunded both of them a few years ago and the state um threatened to take our money away from us because they didn't think we needed it. >> Um so I did pull back on police a little bit on funding for 2027, but they are dear 100% funded. Okay. >> Both pension plans.
>> All right. Thank you. >> Next. >> All right. We go on to the reserve discussion. Yes. >> Um the mayor, um I did the reserve presentation um last >> Oh, wait. We Let's go back to
Commissioner Thomas's question. >> Yeah, I think it was just a typo on the um >> and I'm sorry, I didn't hear the question. So >> So on the storm water in that paragraph, we have storm water fund revenues are down up. So I think it's up.
>> Oh, >> which would make sense. >> I put both both words in there. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, that was a test to us from the end. >> She's up, >> right? So, it's up, correct? >> Yeah. Let me double check. >> Correct. Yeah.
>> Okay. Because then it goes on to >> because last year um we wrote off Semino County storm water bills and that's the difference between this year and last year. >> The write off. Yeah. >> Okay. Uh can I ask a question, mayor? Um
>> I don't know exactly how to ask this. Maybe it'll make sense, maybe it won't. Are we moving funds from the enterprise fund to cover balances in our general fund? >> We um we transfer fees from storm water,
solid waste, >> and the water sewer to cover services that they extract from the general fund. >> Okay? And that's completely normal, legal, >> etc., etc. There was actually a state law passed two years ago because some
cities were overdoing it, right? >> That you're only allowed to do it based on actual needs. >> Okay. >> I'm glad you asked that. I was >> there's an internet rumor and I just while you're here, >> I wanted it discussed. That person may never hear these answers, but that's
okay. Other people will. >> Thank you. >> All right. Ready to move on to reserves? Um so um I did the presentation on reserves um last meeting and the mayor asked for my recommendations for um reserves in each of the funds. And so um
this is um five pages of detail with the summary page on the end. And so if you want to go to the summary page while I speak on the details, it might be easier to follow. Um the general fund currently has an assigned
um balance of 15 million um and it's a um 14% a little over 14% um balance. Um my recommendation is a 25% reserve um and currently that would be $21 million
um which is so a shortfall of about 6.2 based on my recommendation. um special revenue funds um most of them are just restricted funds um except for the building fund. The building fund is restricted but um it has a state um
statute that you have to follow on how much you can have in reserves. Um the state statute is 2.4. We actually have as of September 30th 2.8. We do not have that currently as of we stand right here. Um so the surplus is no longer
there um due to operations in 26 and that will be coming um to you in the future for more discussion. >> So you're talking about the 389 for building fund surplus? >> Yes, it's no longer there.
Um all the other special revenue funds are restricted in some way. There's really not like a recommended reserve. They are what they are. um their limited um revenue etc. Um that the capital project funds my
recommendation is $62 million. Um our reserve currently is $9 million. A short forfall of almost $53 million. >> Which one is that? I'm sorry. >> The capital project on its own first line.
>> How do you come up with that number? Yeah. 20% of our assets are $310 million. >> 20% of our assets and what >> we have 310 >> and about how much are we spending annually
now? Is there a round number? >> Um I don't think so. It depends on the year >> jumps back and forth. Okay. Mhm. >> And the recommended reserves in the general fund of 218 that's based on 20 >> 25%.
>> That was in the presentation I gave you last time. >> Okay, Cindy, but like can you tell me why though? I know you gave this in the pre in the presentation and usually like you are so fiscally responsible when it comes to general funds but why are you saying we need that 25% versus
>> um for general fund um the what there's many things um one item is that in operations our major revenue source is property tax. >> We do not get property tax money in at all until the end of December. So for
three months we're operating on reserves. Currently we do not have enough money in reserves to operate on reserves. Um if if we use the unassigned balance put a stipulation on that. Mhm.
>> Um the other thing is if you want to do debt >> um the recommended recommendation from to get a good debt rating and lower your interest costs >> um they actually want a 35% reserve >> um to get the best bond rating
>> and it ratchets down from there. So for bond rating purposes in future for debt. >> Okay. >> Um emergency situations um we had a hurricane in October, November. We have no revenue from property tax. We have operational costs. Then we have
emergency costs as well. It's all of the it's all physical responsibility and um smoothing out um rate increases that kind of >> um >> but when the auditor went over it, he
said we were at like 47%. That's because he doesn't count, >> right? >> The what we call, right? >> He only call the stuff that's legally restricted as opposed to things that we have. >> Right. >> Hold on, hold on, hold on. What What was just stated right now? I just got
>> the only thing you can put in the act for is something that y'all have put a legal restriction on. >> Okay. >> So, um you would have had to have like a resolution or ordinance saying you can't spend this money except for this thing. Mhm. >> So like the 20 million that we need for
the marina that's set aside is not in the >> aer. Okay. Got it. >> One example. >> That makes a difference. >> Yeah. >> All right. Um so the enterprise funds the water um the water impact fees sewer impact fees storm water solid waste um
and storm water. I did not comment on those. We do have um a financial adviser that does that for us every year. >> So I just left those. solid waste. Um my recommendation for them um was 17%.
And it's actually 1.5 million. We have 1.2 is a little short about 600,000. Let me get back to my page. >> Can I ask a a question? >> Yes. >> Well, thank you, S.
I'm going to ignore rude guy. Um the lie grant fund line. I guess what do we do with that money now that we've we we don't have any money anymore to do that? We just got an email that we're shutting that program down. >> Yeah. That that money will go away when the program shuts down. Is >> where does it go?
>> It's all it's all the lie heap grants expenses and all of that. So it'll just zero out. >> What is this cemetery fund? It's $200,000 >> for our cemetery. >> I know. For what? operations. >> Okay. So, we if we if we get any monies, it goes in there.
>> Yes. All revenue and expenditures go through the secretary fund. Yeah. >> All right. So, that seems to be healthier than I remember it being or crazy. >> It depends on where that 230,000 came from. >> Yeah. >> Because I thought we were to the point
where our revenue is not paying the expenses out there anymore. And the cemetery funded doesn't include any assets or anything that are in there. So you have to be careful with that number. >> But we're 230 grand to the good no matter what. >> That it's not cash.
That includes assets, too. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Are we good to move on to solid waste or finish? So solid waste I recommend 17% which is about 1 and a.5 million million. We're at 1.3. So a little short
about 600,000 short. Um the marina um I'm re recommending 25% of reserve plus 20% of fixed assets um for a total of 5 million. We have about uh $3.4
million shortfall for that. Um, >> well, can we count the 20 that's in the general fund as in that one? >> What was that? >> Can we count the 20 million we have in general fund as being in the marina fund? >> Well, sort of, but it'll be spent once
it gets there. >> So confusing. >> And then the Mayfair, same thing. 25% reserve, 20% of fixed asset. I'm sorry, did somebody say something? >> Sorry. Um, so a recommended reserve of 1.2. to a shortfall of about 300,000.
Um operating insurance funds um the operational um insurance fund um we have about 6.9 recommendations about 8.7. We got a shortfall about 1.7. However, the health insurance fund is over about
1.9 and in reality these two funds collapse whenever you do um financial reporting. So they're sort of okay with both of those funds, one being short, one being over. And the health insurance
fund, as I just said, is over about 1.9. And then the police and fire, of course, those are fiduciary funds. We can't do anything with those. They're not even really our money. Um they belong to the um police and fire employees that are in the pensions.
Okay. So, just $65 million. >> That's what we're short based on your recommendations without changing anything. >> Most of it is um in the um capital. >> Yeah. So for the record, I want to try to dumb
this down. the capital ratio you came up with is and and I'm not I'm not trying to I'm not trying to make it sounds too simple, but
it is it's a guesstimate of how much money we need if everything failed and we had to replace it all at once. >> No. >> Okay. >> We would need a lot more money if that happened. >> If everything failed. Yeah. >> Yes. This is kind of hypothetically this
might happen or this might happen or >> so again I don't where do we come up with the 25% then >> it's 20% that's just standard recommendation industry standard recommendation >> no for capital >> it's 20 it's based off the the um value of the fixed assets at the time this at
the time they were booked we have $310 million worth of asset we 20% of that is 62 million >> I think what you're asking is why 20% %. >> Yes, same. >> It's just an industry standard. >> Industry standard. >> But never mind.
>> And just just for the capital, um when you have reserves, it helps with um it unexpected um failures. It also helps smooth out tax budget ups and downs. Um if something does fail, um like I
understand now, we might need $750,000 for an air conditioner. Um >> for what? here >> for here. Yes. >> I'm not sure. >> We just get some window units. >> Yeah. >> So, presumably the industry, whoever's setting that standard, set it a long
time ago and perhaps has not really taken a hard look at it to say, should we keep it at 2020 2020 forever or >> that's above your pay grade? >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, no. Um, 20 20%'s been the industry standard for a while. Um,
and it it helps it um with avoiding deferred maintenance because currently we don't have enough money to do all our deferred maintenance. Um, we can't even I know the mayor asked for us to fund all deferred maintenance or as much as possible in the next budget. We don't even have enough money to do that. >> Yeah.
>> Um, it helps with um fail complete failures um like with the utility system. This isn't the utility system. Um but just for an example, we had a water break failure that cost us $7.5 million this year. Um, so it just helps with those shocks.
It helps us not have to issue debt suddenly. And if we don't have enough reserves, that debt cost is extraordinary. >> Um, it it helps just balance your budget and makes it a lot easier on the city and the taxpayers. >> Yeah. And if we had a bunch of brand new
treatment plants, then we wouldn't be as worried. And the more you postpone um maintenance, the higher and the more expensive it gets as well. So, >> okay, thanks Cindy. All right. >> Versus um replacing those assets when
it's time to replace those assets. >> Any other questions? >> Another question. Mayor, I just want to highlight what Miss Lindseay is saying is that we have a unmet need of $65 million. All right. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you.
>> All right, >> Mr. Mayor. In fairness to the audience, I would say that we postpone the planning 101 and move on to the joint planning agreement with the seminal county. >> Why are we postponing the
>> to make sure we get through all the other things that people are here for? >> Okay. But that's really won't have to wait as long. Okay. >> And we don't want to do short shrift to that, >> right? We want to be able to talk about it. >> Yes. >> As long as we don't we come back to it.
>> Yes. All right. >> And to Commissioner Britain, we have several people from Semino County here and so I think it'd be good to move forward with that item. >> I see them. I'm just saying I'm that the 101 is very important. >> That's all. >> Okay.
Good afternoon. Eileen Henson, uh, planning director. And as noted by Commissioner Britain, we're going to jump to my second presentation. Um, more than happy to go back to the first, but this one might be a long one. So, um,
what we're here today to discuss is the JPA extension, which we adopted a couple of meetings ago, and then the ISBA shift overview. So the purpose and context of this meeting is to provide an overview of the joint planning agreement and the
recent extension that maintains temporary stability. So we had the JPA in place. We put in a temporary extension so that we could keep the JPA in place but discussions have been going on between us and
Seminal County planning staff and seminal county staff. So what this meeting is going to do is summarize seminal county shift toward pursuing an interlocal boundary service agreement or interlocal service boundary agreement per Florida statutes and present the
significant coordination service and infrastructure considerations the city would be required to evaluate before entering into those agreements. So we need to identify the substantial staff time, workload impacts, and resource demands associated with an ISBA process versus the JPA that we currently have.
Emphasizing that the ISBA framework introduces some possible major new obligations for the city with no clearly defined operational and fiscal benefit at this time and could exceed current staffing and funding capacity. Therefore, we need to do an assessment
to get to determine whether or not and what to agree engage in this ISBA agreement discussion. >> So, today I'm just hoping to guide the discussion toward an understanding of why a sequenced, cautious, and capacity based approach is necessary before we
enter into any negotiation. >> Okay. >> So, first the JPA. So the 2015 JPA replaced an older agreement created a coordinated framework for land use annexation and infrastructure services. So a few amendments were adopted during its term
and the agreement remained largely unchanged until its expiration on October 15, 2025. And although the JPA had expired, the city staff still continued to implement its provisions in practice, but no formal agreement existed.
So we worked with Semino County and implemented a retroactive extension which is now in place until October 15, 2026, maintaining stability in lane use and service delivery and preventing gaps while the JPA and ISBA discussions continue. And this extension provides
time for evaluation while negotiating a potential new agreement. So while we were having meetings with the seminal county planning staff, the it was solely the planning staff from the city having agreements, no having
discussions with the seminal county staff. Um some of their staff was building. There were some meetings in which the assistant county manager sat in on but planning staff was managing these and seminal county has now moved away from the JPA only framework.
They're seeking the city to adopt a resolution to initiate an interlocal service boundary agreement per chapter 171 of the Florida statutes. This could potentially impact that entire list of items up there. Everything from public safety, fire, EMS services, annexation
procedures and transfer of maintenance and ownership after annexation, wastewater, water reclaim water, road ownership and maintenance, potential transfer there, parks, trails, conservation areas, storm water drainage, fiscal responsibility and cost
sharing, as well as airport compatibility and intergovernmental coordination and dispute resolution are also components that would be in this this resolution. Um, so the ISBA boundary area is generally the same. It mirrors the JPA
boundary area as of right now. Discussions may shift that depending on how those discussions go, but it encompasses airport adjacent lands, major corridors, industrial and utility zones, conservation areas, and overlapping jurisdictional areas. It represents some of the city's more
complex service environments requiring coordinated planning, regulatory alignment, and significant cross-dep departmental analysis. So some of the things that we've discussed as areas of impact in the few meetings that we've had regarding the ISBA include service delivery
responsibilities, infrastructure ownership and maintenance, intergovernmental coordination framework, involuntary annexation timing and phasing, airport compatibility, long-term fiscal impacts, planning and regulatory alignment, as well as implementation tools and future
interlocal agreements, otherwise known as ILAS, that could also implement some of these other components that are part of the ISBA. So moving forward, we have to look at some key considerations to evaluate before agreeing on any terms or even
determining whether or not we want to engage in these discussions. So financial impacts, there's potential long-term service costs, unplanned operational obligations, and recurring expenses not in current budgets. There's capital improvement needs. There's
possible requirements for new or accelerated infrastructure investments. Staffing and workload capacity, the ability to absorb additional responsibilities without affecting existing service levels, liability and risk exposure. So there's changes in there may be changes in that service
boundary and it may shift risk to the city and then alignment with adopted plans. We need to ensure that there's consistency with the established priorities and our long range goals as we enter into any discussion.
So, fiscal considerations. The city needs to evaluate long-term operational and maintenance costs, capital replacement cycles, staffing and equipment needs, utility and stormwater integration costs, potential rate or fee impacts, and shared fiscal modeling.
They're essential before we make any commitments. So recent state legislation that could affect our local government re revenues if we're going to look into what our revenues are and what we can and cannot necessarily shift. The recent actions by
the Florida legislature have legislature have introduced new constraints on local government revenues and our fiscal flexibility and these changes create a more challenging environment for assuming additional long-term services of infrastructure and responsibilities. And although this these things on this
table are still in flux, there are possible future fiscal considerations since an ISBA is a long-term engagement. Um, some of the elements we need to consider are the reduced revenue flexibility, which is the statutory limits on revenue growth that may
restrict the city's ability to absorb expanded service areas. property tax implications, challenges to millage rate caps, roll back rate calculations or voter approved thresholds can limit revenue adjustments. The statemandated exemptions or reductions, changes to homestead exemptions or assessment
methodologies could reduce taxable value growth, and then potential funding loss. Reductions in shared revenues or state control distributions may affect long-term financial planning as well. So, the next thing we need to look at is alignment with city capacity and
planning commitments. At this time, it's unclear if the county's proposed approach aligns with the city's current capacity or long-term planning commitments. Several operational and resource considerations require evaluation before determining whether participation in an ISBA discussion is
advisable. ISBA discussions require extensive interdep departmental coordination. Right now, it's just been the planning department discussing these items and the interdep departmental coordination, technical analysis, and time to take for
meetings. The efforts divert staff capacity from ongoing responsibilities and may not be sustainable without additional resources. So, some of the operational considerations, city's current service model is scaled to our existing boundaries and what we, you know,
currently can manage. Um the ISBA area includes additional potential highcost high complex systems. Several systems require condition assessment before any transfer. The city has taken a you know set a policy in the
past that we've done transfer rightways and things like that but we've always made sure that they meet city standards before taking them. So there would need to be an assessment on anything before a transfer occurs. And then we need to make sure that any transfer of responsibilities doesn't create service gaps if done prematurely. We don't want
any systems to fail. >> So the city impacts and considerations. The city would be the only municipality in Semino County currently operating under an ISBA of this scale creating administrative and operational demands that other jurisdictions don't have. The
proposed framework introduces additional processes and coordination requirements for the city and the direct operational or fiscal city benefit remains unclear because we have not done an assessment. Participation in the discussions require significant staff time for analysis meetings and cross- departmental
coordination which may divert resources from ongoing priorities. Without additional staffing or funding, negotiation process itself may delay projects, affect service levels or impact statutory deadlines. and the city just needs to evaluate where the long-term responsibilities contemplated
in the ISBA if they align with the available resources, staffing and strategic priorities. Um the relevance the expanded service responsibilities create structural budget pressures under reduced revenue flexibility. The city has to avoid any
unfunded mandates or commitments that exceed sustainable capacity. The capital and operational obligations need to be evaluated against our long-term fiscal uncertainty and a comprehensive fiscal model is necessary before determining any feasibility.
So if we were to make next steps, we need to maintain the extension of the JPA through October, establish a joint technical working group between city staff in the various departments that would be involved in this negotiation. And we need to conduct a service
capacity analysis, infrastructure condition assessments, fiscal impact modeling, annexation phasing scenarios, ISBA framework after a full technical review and ensure transparent coordinated communication remains between the two parties.
>> So in summary, although the JPA extension maintains continuity, the city's shift the county shift toward an ISBA represents a significant departure from prior coordination practices. It introduces substantial administrative burden. The ISBA pro process requires
high intensity staff involvement from planning, public works, utilities, finance, legal, administration, and public safety. These demands occur in parallel with existing workloads, create a risk of service delays, reduce responsiveness and impact to ongoing
to ongoing city priorities. It has the potential to do that. And then the operation and fiscal impa implications of the ISBA are not yet defined. The city may be required to assume responsibilities without corresponding resources and proceeding without confirmed capacity could result in
unsustainable commitments, long-term financial exposure and operational strain. So in summary of the >> um the ISBA is an alternative type of agreement from the JPA to which we've
always been engaged in. Prior to engaging, city staff needs direction from the commission and from city administration how to proceed. And before engaging in any agreements, we need to understand
where we stand on our current standings so to speak. before proceeding on engaging in meetings to figure out next steps. And based on just a first look at all of this and good summary, thank you for
that. Um, if I were going to naively try to simplify it, it sounds like it's just going to add time to all the processes trying to coordinate all this even beyond just doing all of the strategic things you have to do to say, "Okay,
we're ready on a day-to-day basis. How does this help?" When we engaged in the JPA discussions, it was strictly for planning. So what I'm presenting to you now is just to say that the county has requested this shift into an ISBA.
Planning can't speak for all the other departments. So what I can do is tell you that these are what could be involved in the ISBA. I mean it doesn't have to be completely comprehensive. It can be a smaller agreement but on the whole it includes multiple departments
more than just planning. And I need the commission to understand that there will be time to have meetings. There will, you know, be necessary coordination. There will be legal assessments. There will have to also be prior to engaging in what we commit to. We have to know
what we can do now before we take on more. >> We have to be able to say that there might be some delays in the regular things we do because they'll be involved in all of this. And what it does do is it creates some continuity in areas where we have enclaves, areas where
there's um roads that are within city limits but are actually maintained by the county. So they may or may not be surrounded by city properties or have hit and miss properties that are some in the city and some in the county. And right now there are
um I don't want to say broken, but the paths of who maintains them are not contiguous. I don't mean broken as in not working. I mean broken as in inconsistent inconsistent as to how um those are laid out. So what this can do
is create a bridge to try toward working to get those to be cleaner and more smooth. The question is do we have the capacity? Do we have the fiscal ability right now to take on this um planning that goes into it as well as
the agreement and what additional responsibilities could potentially come out of an agreement such as this? >> What I what I go ahead if you weren't finished >> I'm pretty much done. Go ahead. >> Okay. So, what I heard you say several times I believe is that we need to do an
assessment. >> Correct. So, what do you need from the commission? Because basically, you're saying, "What is Sanford gaining? What are we losing? What are our long-term obligations, financials? What do you need from the commission to get started with an assessment?"
>> That I'm not really sure because I when we entered into it, the joint planning agreement the planning department has done in the past. We've done several of them and then my tenure here, we've done amendments and stuff for joint planning agreements. as to an ISBA. Honestly, I I can only present you what what one does
and what it involves >> because I don't know what to tell the commission to tell us to, you know, create and maybe Lindsay could jump in at any point. >> Commissioner, that's a great question and in my recent meetings with Eileen,
here is my suggestion. In order to figure out a what's the benefit >> and b what is the burden I need to meet with planning and match up the two and then not only meet with planning but
then I also need to meet with the department heads and talk about what burdens if any those departments would now have to take on under this new trajectory and then come back with that assessment for the committ
to um give us a definitive response, but it's not really until all of those key players are involved in this process because again, previously with the JPA that was squarely planning, >> but now the ISBA will bring in a whole
host of other departments and what they will be required to do with regard to this process and do they have the infrastructure to carry out those burdens and then at the end of the day once Once we ascertain that, >> is it worth it to do it? So that is that
assessment phase that I'm recommending is the next step and then bringing that back. Does that hold up the process though? I mean, is it like what the the county is needing from us and then us taking the time to do the assessment if you understand what I'm saying? Right.
Does is that going to be a hindrance to what the county needs if we I don't know how long an assessment >> we have an extension for the JPA through October >> and so I'm talking about the next couple of weeks doing the assessment part as to the ISBA and that gives us more than
enough time to figure out um and to bring an assessment back to the day is to >> for you guys to give us uh instruction and direction. >> Okay. if hypothetically and then I want you're going to do what you're going to do but um we need to do this within a
certain time frame. So we we don't need to ask the directors would the impact to you be different if we didn't do it now but later there is I don't think there's a later with this is there I mean we have to make a decision >> it's a
it's going to be a joint agreement and unless both sides agree there is no agreement >> there's no mandate for this agreement to occur the it's the county is requesting we engage on this and we are seeking I am seeking you know, with Lindsay's
assistance, >> um, the guidance to determine whether or not the commission wants us to continue on this trajectory to do this assessment. And I'm hearing that yes, we, you know, the city attorney and I will do what we need to do to get
started to see where we stand, but it's not a mandatory agreement in any way. If we said we didn't agree, then would it would it make a difference if it was ne this year or next year? As far as >> the impact to our team here goes,
>> as an independent entity, the city will need to make a determination as to whether it is in the city's best interest >> to transcend into ISBA. >> Okay, >> that is within your your perview to make that determination. There is no forcing, there is no mandating, there is no
requirement. the city has functioned under a JPA for quite some time and the discussion that I'm having is um not that it's anti-ISBA. What is the benefit to the city to transcend into this new vehicle? >> Y
so we have representatives from the county here and I'm going to ask them to to speak in a minute. Um but just cuz you know we started this you know we needed to get the JPA back on.
Um and when this idea came up um I had a much in my head I had a much smaller scope of what this would entail. Um you've presented sort of uh here are all the things that could be in it. is in is that though what the county has
presented that they want all these things or they are we to the point where we know what they're asking for and I'm going to ask them the same question in a minute. >> I don't Eileen correct me I don't believe we have yet been provided with a purview as to what it will or will not
entail. So, there is a period as part of this assessment where the county will, as you say, put some meat on the bones as to exactly what they're seeking and what uh will be covered in this ISBA. Um that will help ultimately in the assessment. Eileen has done an excellent
job with saying, however, um how far it could go, >> right, >> and where we may want to rein in on some issues, >> right? But before before we go too far down that that path,
>> can we, you know, sort of lay out what is the scope that we're aiming for so that our staff isn't looking at things that are outside that scope >> or unnecessary. >> And so that's what I would >> I would like to hear from the the county unless you have something else to add at
this point. just that the draft we have a draft draft resolution that once you know we've come to terms today um it's been requested of us to present to the commission to have signed but
there's no action today there's no no one on this commission has seen any of this yet so my first step was to get the presentation and then to work with the attorney to find out next steps but in this the identification of issues for negotiation are all of those things from
public safety, fire, emergency, medical, water, wastewater, all those things I listed are in this resolution. >> All of these things are on there. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> So, who who from the county wants to >> Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you for allowing us to speak. The concept as it was presented is sounds like it's an eitheror and I'll just give share with all of you how this started. This started with a call from a very wise call from Mayor Art Woodruff to me
saying that the JPA seems to have stalled and we need to get it back because of the impact to citizens. When we had that first meeting, it was very apparent to me that the stall um is
real and that we continue to have similar conversations over and over again, but not actually advance the ball. So, thank you, mayor, for for bringing us in and pulling that together. During that meeting, our county manager, Darren Gray, who was
formerly a city manager for many, many years, had successfully used the interlocal service boundary agreement in addition to a JPA. It is not a pivot from a JPA. It is in
addition to. And that was contemplated by our legislature to actually figure out after you've planned together how you provide services together. And I don't know about you all, but I get phone calls regularly about how we don't
or do provide services together. And I'll give you the greatest example that I can share. And that is we have ditches. We call them all sorts of different things in Florida, but they're ditches. New Jersey, we call them ditches. And we have a homeowners
association, the city, and the county all servicing the same ditch at different times. >> And that doesn't work >> because wherever the stoppage is, the stoppage is that may not be the best example for today, but that's the one that we get a good You all get the phone
calls to. >> Yeah. And I have a interest in advancing this ball because it greatly impacts a few of my neighborhoods that should not be impacted this way. One is Midway and
that's probably the most impacted. So I would tell you that one of the things that I heard loud and clear was we don't want to hear anymore about this until we do all of this research to figure out everybody that would it would touch. and
the potential negative impacts from it and fiscal impacts. And by the way, the state legislature is doing this to all of us. So the fiscal impacts are real for every single entity in the state of Florida. What I would implore is that
you perhaps take one of the seven habits of great leadership and seek to understand before we say this is the most terrible idea in the universe because it may actually positively impact our citizens simply by laying out
and could it impact all of those areas that were laid out? Absolutely. A very thorough presentation. Does it have to? No. Could we start somewhere in working together to make sure that after we plan together so the JPA conversations need
to continue whatever happens with this and then how we service together and you won't be the only city that does this. You get to be the first or maybe you don't. But we suspect that this model will be a really good model for future
impacts to citizens. >> Right. So, have y'all identified specific things that you want to make sure are in this first? >> We have identified things that from the commissioner's perspective, not one, but
all of them that we think should be addressed somewhere. That doesn't mean it has to be in the JPA. It doesn't have mean it has to be in the secondary agreement, but we would like them addressed somewhere. where we are struggling is simply getting that ball to move to say perhaps that is a
good idea. The answer that we feel we're getting is just extend the current one. We don't want to make any more changes which is probably a wild overstatement on my part. So I do I appreciate that. Um sim similar to this is all going to cost everybody a fortune. That's what we
all do for a living. But we really need to start advancing and start checking off. Okay, we agree on this one. let's do this. The feeling is is that we don't want to move past the current agreement. We just want to renew the current agreement. We think the citizens deserve
more. >> So, what you're saying is we can get the JPA done quickly work on the southern front. We need to contemplate at the same time that we're doing the JAPA what is happening with the secondary agreement
so that things aren't left out of the JPA if there's never an intention to do the secondary agreement they have to happen similar at I won't call it simultaneously there is also a timeline that once we advance the county advances the ISBA you
all have 60 days to advance we're not going to advance until you're ready to advance and that briefings were offered, any briefings that you want from our team, from your team, all of that. We think there's an opportunity to improve how
we're doing things and we just like open minds about doing it. >> Commissioner, I appreciate everything you're saying and I'm glad to hear. It sounds like we're still talking about home rule here. This isn't something that Tallahassies are suggesting that you are. >> This is for us. This is for our
residents. Well, and the reality of it is, and I'm glad you said that because we are we are talking about home rule, and it's the two organizations cooperating. This isn't the county coming in and saying, like the state comes in and says, every now and then, >> here's how you're going to do it. This
is us attempting to build documentation around how we plan to operate together to the benefit of our mutual citizens in the future. >> Okay. And maybe Sanford would be your beta test as far as the cities go in Semino County. I'm not adverse to that.
Uh is it possible that we can agree to do this but take some steps in some of the real painoint areas and then see how that goes and then work in some other areas. >> That's a question better served from for the attorneys and the team. But I but I
think that's the seek to understand question that we're looking to solve for. >> Okay. Well, along that same line, I mean, you you heard um you know, the number of staff members we're going to have to get involved to sort of even to start looking at this and we have a much
smaller staff than the county does. Can we narrow down the starting point? >> We can attempt to narrow down the starting point. >> Would that would that make sense that we're, you know, instead of these 12 things, we want to start with these three things? I think the original discussions were around the things that
could potentially be in an agreement, not the things that we expected to be in the agreement. So I think we are saying the same thing. >> Yeah. >> But we have to agree what's going to here are the things that this agreement can cover. Here are the things we think we should focus on and this is how the JPA should look and then this is how
this document should look. So they mirror they match. The services that the citizens get aren't going to be us pointing at each other saying, "Well, that's not what that agreement says. That's where we left this out. We didn't think about that. >> It has to be covered somewhere.
>> But to be able to clearly say this is maybe a phased approach where the citizens will know in this area, this function, this physical geographical area, these are a part of the agreement. We can look at a phased approach for sure. >> Because we want to start it out successfully without taking on too much.
We do >> and having it become a failure. >> We're taking two years to figure out if we can do it or not. Isn't this something the two managers can get started? >> I think the two managers did start it. I don't know if you were asking me, but you're looking at me, so I'm going to answer you. I think the two managers did
start it. I think Mr. Gray and Mr. Bonapart came together with the two of us. Our teams came together. We then stepped out. Teams are working on it and we're not getting far. >> It's why we're back here. M
>> I'm I'm really confused, but that's not anything different. So you and and and I can't remember his last name. >> Darren Gray >> Gray can't sit down and decide what elements you want staff to work on together.
>> Well, I think that what Eileen presented was a good overview of the whole program and to seek from the commission what your desires are. Certainly, Mr. Gray and I can get together when I have a good indication from the city commission. What areas do you want us to focus on? >> Well, this is coming from Big Brother and Big Brother obviously wants us
probably to take on more than we already are. >> I think it's coming from Little Sister, not Big Brother. >> Well, Big Brother is Simo County. Bigger Brother is the state. That's how I look at this. >> Um, so I think we need to know, this is their idea. But we need to know what
elements they want us to consider, >> right? >> And and of course our fear is the cost of taking things over >> that we can try to make them keep doing. >> I can I can tell you that the intention is not to have you take things over that
you shouldn't be doing. If there are things that we are currently doing that are in your jurisdiction, I can't answer to that. I said if I don't know that. So, if if you all have that fear that there are things that we're doing that you should be doing, you may know more
than I do. Uh, and this may clarify that. I would tell you that I don't think this is big brother, little sister. I'm not called little that often, so I'll take that. Younger sister. Okay. >> Um, >> this is about putting the citizens
first. >> And I was going to say that, too. I mean, we go back together, right? Your original statement about we need to serve the residents the best way we can, >> but we need to we need if we can narrow down, you know, here are the things to
focus on. So, we're not looking at things that we don't need to look at right now. Um >> and that's a this is where I've stepped into the process because initially I was involved in some of those discussions with regard to extending the JPA and
then the discussion became from JPA to ISBA or a conjunction of the two. That is a recent conversation. So now I'm stepping in so that I can try and figure out from the county exactly what are the parameters for this ISBA and what
departments would be involved in the implementation and what would be the burden and benefit. That's where I'm stepping in now. >> Now I know why one of your fellow members of the commission has been pressuring me to get the JPA done. We got to get the JPA done. We got to get
it done. probably not related but but I would also tell you that uh mayor you can validate this uh we discussed that in that first meeting that happened when you called that meeting this was on the table back then >> uh
>> but I don't think we understood right the scope at that point >> right or the potential thanks to >> potential scope so in your potential scope okay so >> this could I'm sorry this could potentially uh alter the current entire agreement
>> doesn't have to. >> Okay. No, that's that's working well. We're not going to mess with that. >> It doesn't have to. >> This is an agreement we're bringing to to pull this together that would work for both organizations. Most
importantly, putting citizens first. If something is working, we don't plan to break it. >> Can we have some action items and some timelines? because I don't even understand why this had to come to us without the information first. If it
went through the city managers, if the attorney and then Eileen, all of those questions probably should have been answered before it came back to us. We waste a lot of time. We waste a lot of time. So, I'm hearing what Eileen is asking from us. Can we set a timeline of
what we need to get done? and and cuz with this commission, if we don't set like an action item, we'll be sitting here discussing this thing another month from now. So, where are we going from here is the question that I'm asking. I don't understand how the city manager
didn't already have this assessment ready for us, but I guess it had to come from the commission. I don't understand why it had to come from this commission when those questions should have already been answered. The assessment should have already been started because the city manager can delegate some of that
stuff, but let's let's leave here with what each person is supposed to be doing. So then we don't have the comment that things are stalling. >> Okay. But I think the reason we're we're having this discussion tonight is to make sure the city commission is on
board with going down this path before staff puts in a whole bunch more time into it. >> Right. That should we the discussion today should have been basically the assessment cuz now we got to wait like more time. >> So how long will it take?
How long do you think I mean basically so we need a a narrowed down scope from y'all first, right? Is that >> I think we need our team I think the suggestion made by Commissioner Britain is a beautiful suggestion that I think the two CEOs of these organizations
should get together and figure out what they think should be in this >> that would include our team it could include your team but I think that has to be a joint discussion >> and that's what we've been asking for this needs to be a collaboration from
day one or we all know agreements don't matter if you didn't collaborate and build them and make them a win-win. >> That's right. >> That's where we are today. That's what we're trying to advance past. >> Listen to Commissioner Her and Commissioner Britain. We will get with the county staff to identify two or three items and then see if those items
are what the commission wants us to focus on. >> Yeah. What are the high priority items for the first ISBA? We're going to continue to do the the JPA. And just for anybody else who's listening here or elsewhere, so the JPA is the planning agreement that deals with all the
planning that happens. The ISBA is the service after the planning is done. How do we serve the residents? How do we mitigate the confusion that's out there? Now, where are those areas where there's the biggest pain point? And those become things that are brought back to say this
is the agreement we're going to start with because it's an agreement we can modify as the years go by. Right. You read my mind. Dare I say it should be an evolving agreement. >> And I don't think you need to come back to us to ask if these are the things. If these are the things the two staffs
>> say are the things we can do, >> then >> let's get it going. >> We're not going to overrule that with knowledge we don't have. >> Right. >> But we still within that we still need to know the impact that it will have on on city staff once we identify what those are.
>> And I'll work on that side. and Eileen quitting because we're giving her too much to do or Adam or anybody else in there. >> All right. So, we're clear on what's going to happen. >> Yes. >> Clear. >> Yes, we're clear. >> Arlene, you good?
>> Sure. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Have a good evening. >> And your team. What time is it? >> 520. Do you want to at 5:20 start the
other one? >> Is that the last item on the agenda, >> Mr. Mayor? We've scratched this. >> We have the wellness center. >> Oh, I'm sorry, I missed that one. Sorry. >> And if it pleases since we are also outsiders, well, visitors, if we can go forward that presentation.
>> Sorry, I missed that one. >> Yeah. So, with that, call on Sharon. presentation of care. >> You're up, Sharon. >> Thank you, Eileen. >> Thank you, Eileen. >> They give us, but it's never cold.
>> It's not cold. Oh, yeah. You're right about that. I just have a local better than that. >> No way. >> Way. Hey, Mr. Mayor, members of the
commission, the director of human resources and risk management is here to make a presentation regarding potentially changing the health providers in the city's wellness center. So, with that, we present Miss President. Good evening.
>> Hello. >> Good evening, Mayor and Commission. Mr. Bonapart and Attorney Green. Sharon Kra, human resources director. I appreciate y'all giving me some time this afternoon to talk about the employee health and wellness center. We do have a item on
the agenda tonight to talk about changing the management uh company from our current one, which is Premise Healthcare to Weare TLC. Just to give you a very brief history, the um clinic as I mentioned is currently managed by Primise.
The clinic came into existence by resolution that was passed by this commission and some of you were on it then in 2012. The clinic was managed by Care here at that time. Care here sold off part of
the business to Premise around 2018 and our clinic was one of those clinics that became a premise healthcare clinic. The use of the clinic is available to all employees and retirees that are currently enrolled in our health
insurance plan and to their dependent if they are also covered on the health insurance plan. We do collaborate with the city of Lake Mary with the clinic. The staff at the clinic is shared with the city of Lake
Mary. They do own their own physical location. We have our own physical location, but both locations are available to our employees and the city of Lake Mary employees. The clinic is a wonderful benefit for
our employees. It is also a huge retention tool to keep them here. But frankly, those are positive side effects of the clinic. That's not the real reason we have a clinic.
The clinic is in existence to offset our health care spend on our self-insured health care plan. I could go on for hours about health insurance and healthcare plans, but I won't. I'll spare you. >> Maybe another night if you're
interested. We all know that health care is increasing in cost every day. The clinic helps us offset this cost in a couple of different ways. First, the clinic provides accessible care with a general practitioner and a nurse practitioner when the employee
needs it. The clinic is right down the street. It's across from the HCA hospital. If an employee needs to see a doctor for an illness or a pain, um it is readily available to them. The employee does not have a co-pay to pay and they typically leave
the clinic with their prescription already in their hand which helps to ensure that they will actually take that prescription. This reduces our employee absences and also employee inefficiencies if they're trying to work while they are sick.
Additionally, we have a provider patient relationship. Since the clinic is only accessible to the city of Sanford and Lake Mary employees, it is a closed system. The providers build relationships with our employees and are better able to follow
their progression. Since the population is relatively small, unlike a ready clinic or an urgent care clinic where the staff changes on a weekly basis, we call those dock in the boxes. Um, this this framework leads to more continuity
of care as an employee is more eager to return to someone they know and have a relationship with to work on those long-term problems. They provide occupational health to the city of Sanford. They, the clinic provides all of our prehire physicals and drug screens to all of our employees
and all drug screens, whether it's pre-employment, post accident, or those rare cases for reasonable suspicion. They also provide the extensive two-day physicals that police and fire applicants must go through. All of our
on the job injuries are sent to the clinic for initial evaluation unless it happens when they're not open. They also provide hepatitis B shot series to the employees whose jobs require that and all vaccinations and the annual flu
drive. But most importantly, saving the city money on the insurance spend is the big one. A typical doctor or specialist will charge an employee a co-pay and then they will still send a huge amongous bill to our insurance TPA
to be paid. And since we are self-insured, as you know, we pay all of our own claims. We do not receive a bill from the clinic for every single person that goes there. Instead, we receive an a monthly bill, a
monthly invoice if you will, from Weare TLC who will send a management fee to us and then all of the variable costs that occurred at the clinic for that month, such as drug screens, uh lab work, um
imaging that may occur and and the most expensive one of course is the prescription drugs. Those are all paid as a pass through to us. We pay exactly what those fees were. These costs are also discounted greatly.
that might might occur if the employee goes to Walgreens to get their prescription filled or goes to LabCore on their own based on the agreements that the management company has with those associations due to their national they have national clinics all over the
country. So they have very deep discounts with those providers. So at the end of the day, all of the costs combined are less expensive than the employee going to a doctor. It's much less expensive on our healthcare spend than
if these employees were going out to specialists and doctors all over the city of Sanford and Lake. So I guess the next question is why the change? We've had some operational issues with premise over the past couple of years.
Staffing has been the biggest problem at our clinic. In November 2025, we lost 60% of our staff at the clinic, including the doctor. >> We've had a couple of temporary doctors in and out, but this does not help us
with that continuity of care that I was speaking of earlier. Mm-m. >> We also have new charges that show up on our invoices that we never agreed to or budgeted for, and that's that's problematic. >> That's unacceptable. >> And we've received numerous complaints
from employees about the clinic. So has Mr. Bonapart >> and commissioner >> and the commission. Um primarily due to scheduling due to the lack of having a full-time doctor there yet. Their leadership is unstable.
We have a a new corporate contact. It seems often I've been here two and a half years. I'm on my third. It's kind of hard to get traction on doing a new program or something to to help decrease our cost when we're always having a new
person. Budgetarily switching to weare TLC will be costneutral on a monthly basis. there is a a implementation fee and if you um have your books open if you look on pageuh 22
21 and 22 that's the guts of the contract where it talks about pricing um there is an implementation fee of $60 per employee that we will have to pay that comes in around $30,000 we here TLC. They're here tonight. They
are a local company. They're located in Longwood, Florida. They're right off of uh Douglas over near Terramia, my favorite restaurant. Uh they have a multitude of municipalities as clients and between the Lake Mary HR director and myself,
we've talked to all of them for references. So they understand the intricacies and the differences of being a a public employer as opposed to being a private one. They provide clinic management in 19 different states and they are a second
generation familyowned and woman-owned uh business. The current CEO is here. This is Reagan Reagan Garber. I'm gonna say it. Ladu Ron,
I know I butchered that. I didn't take French. Sorry. Um, she is the second generation CEO of the organization. And also with her is Christy Bowman. She is the uh chief clinical services and
operations uh for the organization. Both of them have been in the clinic space for quite a while. They they have multiple years of experience, so I'm very comfortable with what they bring.
So, if y'all have any questions for me or for them, I'll be glad to answer them at this point. Well, it sounds like you're making a good move for good reasons. >> Um, I'm glad you put that map up. That's We Care TLC.
>> Yes. >> Okay. Have you told that from their website? >> Each little portion of weare TLC obviously has its own management. Um, a quick search says that TLC, we care TLC has mixed to negative reviews, but I
think this is from the employees perspective. Uh, employees citing poor management, lack of appreciation, and a toxic work culture. But hopefully that's not true. >> Well, Google some other Google some other uh companies in the space and
you'll see We'll probably all say that, right? Right. >> I say that about my boss. >> Yeah. >> Was your standard I'm just not happy because I don't do my job thing. >> Okay. >> Confused with Well, this is for Weare TLC. So,
>> very different. >> Very different. Okay. >> Two different companies. Um, and do we have presumably we have enough employees taking advantage of this service to make it cost effective? >> Oh, yes. >> Okay. I know we have at least one and I
don't know why I haven't taken advantage of it yet, but I will. >> Are you on insurance? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, uh, >> when you're done, >> I think that >> when will the change ever take place? We are required to give a notice to
premise according we don't have a contract with premise but according to the contract we had with care here it says 90 days um this also has to go to lake Mary's council so if you guys approve it tonight then it will go to theirs and that should happen I don't
know when they meet but I think I think next week >> or the week after um we're going to try to talk to premise about doing a shorter notice, but we can't guarantee that. So, October one at the latest.
>> Okay. And um facilitywise, equipment wise, it's just a a move in >> all of that belongs to us. Okay. >> Yes. >> All right. >> What uh is there a cost uh difference? >> No, it's cost mutual as a operational
cost >> other than the imple the the implementation fee. >> Implementation fee. >> Okay. And they'll have a GP there and then people would still be referred out for special. >> Yes. Um we care already we care TLC already has a doctor going through
credentiing credentiing for us. So hopefully that works out. >> So we will have one at least by then >> and we know we have issues now. So it's the right decision to make. >> When we went from care here to premise,
what investigation did we do? Um, and how is that different from what we're doing for the we care so that we don't end up back in the same situation? Now, I do understand that you said premise was bought out by we >> care sold to premise.
>> Okay. So, we didn't do any real investigation on that. We just ended up with Premise. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> We just got a phone call or at least a letter. I'm not sure we even got a phone call. >> Okay. Well, that's a good point. Does our contract with we care require approval
from us to to sell the clinic or sell the operation? >> Probably not. >> And should it >> um Miss Miss Green may be able to answer that better, but I don't think that we we can't tell them they >> right. We while we can't advise them not
to sell to someone, they are required to give us notice should that occur. I don't as I recall I don't think notice was received for premise and that was one of the basis in the termination letter um that I provided as to them sticking to their obligations as well.
>> Okay. There's also um but to address that point um we care was generous in agreeing to certain termination provisions um so that we would not be as locked in as we were with the previous provider should we do come to a
conclusion that it is simply not working and not giving the benefits that we're seeking for our uh employees. >> Okay. >> Like Mary's meeting is the 18th. >> The 18th. Okay. That's close.
>> All right. Any other questions? >> I write down so many notes. I don't know if you answered this. Claudia may have asked it. What's the the the turnaround? So, if when um premises out and we care is in so that our um employees don't have such a big gap, do you know what that time is?
>> There's a lot of things that have to happen there. Okay, >> but I will let Christie address that. >> Hi, I'm Christy Bowman. Um, so we were looking at the turnaround time and making sure that we don't have any interruptions in the patient care. There's a few things that we have to
keep in mind as medical records, the EHR system, getting staff trained in regards to the system. So we truly we've been talking about it and we get noticed we can start looking at the implementation of the EHR system getting that agreement
set up and then looking at once we do the takeover what kind of training time do we need what is the implement the implementation of that time frame and we were looking at typically we'd like to have you know we we've done it in a week so we have completed and transitioned a
clinic in a week's time that's about four actually business days that we completed it and then we've worked on the weekends. Um we were hoping that maybe we could do a turnaround quicker um with this clinic just because we are a local we can start implementing things
prior to um so the longest time frame that we were looking at is about a week's turnaround time if not a little bit quicker. >> So how does that infect the uh affect the employees? So when you're saying you've got to turn things around and you've got to do like records and
whatnot, will that stuff move over or I mean do you have access to records because technically it belongs to premise but like how does that that work? >> So depending on the EHR system of what premise is utilizing is how we can
import. So we have import that we can do from records of premise straight over to weare TLC as long as their system allows. We have workarounds. So if a system doesn't directly talk to our system, our system has a way of extracting information via cloud.
>> Okay. And would that be a problem with do is there anything in our contract where premise says that they don't have to give over? We don't have a contract with premise >> that no there's nothing that says that they would own those records. >> Yeah, there's there's
too obligated now. We've taken over a lot of health from a lot of different providers over the years and we've got everything from the dump of PDFs that you know going through but we're we're very used
to that and I know that should be a seamless transition and data into our system. So, um we don't necessarily anticipate any issues there, but not to say that there won't be, but we're pretty used to overcoming those
issues. And then, um so we we will start once the contract is signed, we start implementation right away. Um and then we'll be ready to go. We may have like a day or maybe two of downtime for We have the new staff. We anticipate um some of
the staff who want would want to stay on if there was a different management company there. Um we've already made connections with them and you know so they would like continuity. So probably the time to be closed to patients would be extremely minimal. Okay.
>> But you know we'll be working on the implementation the whole time. So that one day when it's changed over that where like at the end of the day the the premise would leave and we would come in and then start right away. Okay. >> And just making sure because part of
what we do because it's HIPPA and you know we have to protect that at all cost. So our IT team will be in there just making sure all of our what we have in there for software and and network protection and all of that is working
you know straight away and then overcoming any obstacles that happen you know along the way there. Um and then our clinical team comes in. Um you know they may or may not be familiar with our EHR. So we do you know some mock drills
and just going over you know when patients come in then this is what you do and this is how you work through the the EHR just so that when we do have the patients come in they don't really realize you know anything. You know, we're extremely focused on our patient
satisfaction, which you know, we're very excited that we had 100% of NPS with our patients the past several months. So, >> what is that acronym? >> Okay. >> So, um we're very, you know, focused on that. So, that's something that, you
know, I live in Lake Mary. I my whole family, you know, has been here forever. So for me, this is a very, you know, big honor to be able to serve Sanford and Lake Mary and to, you know, hopefully really elevate the experience that patients get because the trust that is
built between our provider team and the patients is something I mean, I've never I've we've been in existence for 21 years. There's never been a time where I've not walked in the health center anywhere and if somebody knows that I'm from the home office, the patients come
up and they tell me this is awesome. They my life and there's never been a time that I've not heard that. So, I mean that's pretty remarkable and we take that really seriously. >> Okay. >> So, y'all will be taking over the Lake Mary clinic also. Okay.
>> That didn't click until this last conversation. >> Okay. >> Well, if you need any help with your fit gap analysis or system integration, let me know. >> Okay. >> Okay. Mayor Commissioners, this is item 9 I on your agenda for regular meeting.
>> All right. >> Okay. Anything else? >> You did have on the agenda regarding the property tax resolution that's been forwarded. >> Anything else? >> Yes. Um but there is time if the commission wants to go into the planning
101. Is 17 minutes enough time? >> Absolutely not. >> We don't want to do it. >> No, we're not going to rush. We don't need to rush it because they did that with um with Tony's presentation. I didn't like that. >> Yeah, that's why we were saying let's
just delay it so we can do it justice. >> All right. There are a couple of other items down here if you want to move on. >> Okay. One of them is a zoning in progress. Uh we would like to ask the commission to pos to declare a zoning in progress for to assist a business we're
working with and with that I'll call Mr. Tony Rolando. >> Good evening, commissioners, mayor. Um, this is not just in response to uh a singular issue. What we've heard the commission say repeatedly with with concepts like urban infill is we we look
for ways to improve the way we're doing business. And typically right now what happens is the way we deal with uh propane tanks in particular in this case uh is is as outdoor storage. And so what we're requesting to do what we think would be helpful is to open schedule E.
It talks about specific uses in these weird situations and re-evaluate how we do that. Um it's really two reasons. One is because we want to facilitate responsible development and two is we also want to uh prohibit irresponsible development. Um, and I've seen examples
of both here recently. So, uh, that would be the ask. Let's go to zoning in progress for schedule E. And, uh, let's see what we can come up with to or improve the way that we evaluate these requests for storage and tank uh, tank
usage outside. >> Do you have I mean a specific change in mind or >> Well, I think >> that you want to talk about now. Do we want to talk about it now? I think what do you think? >> Okay.
>> Yeah. I mean, there's there's a number of problems that we could probably address at once. I think we can kill multiple birds with one stone. Um, you're probably curious now some specificity. We had a request for a 2,000galon uh propane tank to be put in a light industrial area. Typically, we would
deal with that as an uh as outdoor storage, which would require conditional use. Um, we think we can dial it back a little bit. We think we can responsibly do this and create some situations regarding how they're placed, where they're placed, and how they're
screened, for example, of not in proximity to residential neighborhoods would be an example. We think we can craft some regulations that would facilitate responsible development. I will tell you right now, I'm dealing with one in code enforcement where we have we have uh I actually sent you an email a little while ago and asked I
don't if you saw it but I was going to see if you could pull that picture up. Did you happen to get it? >> We have a pro It's not important. It's not important but we have a propane tank outside of an industrial area that is sitting right next to a transformer and has no ballards around it.
>> Um and obviously I can't have that. So again, this is kind of a it's a a double-edged sword here. We want to improve development. We want to allow um responsible development. We think we have a way to craft the the business in question is aluminum outlet off of uh
St. John's Parkway, but it's it's going to allow us to improve service in other areas as well and make sure we're being safe. >> Okay. So, schedule E is includes urban and >> it does >> redevelopment. And I'm going to channel
um Commissioner Austin for a minute here um in terms of landscaping um because I went to I had the pleasure of driving um 1792 to Maitland um a couple of days ago and I kept
looking at the required landscaping in front of numerous businesses along the way and it's clear some businesses take care of their landscaping and some do not. And so I know that's one specific thing been brought up um and that we had
also talked about, you know, for redevelopment of existing sites to something that is I I hate to go with the as long as it's better because we got to go beyond as long as it's better.
But um can we also look at um the requirements we put on infill and allow even more flexibility? >> I think if we go to zoning in progress, mayor, it would be an appropriate time to do exactly that. >> Thank you. >> Eileen came down like she wanted to say
something as soon as I started talking about landscaping. I just want to make sure that it's clear to the commission we have to proceed with caution just to make sure we're not doing anything that >> violates any state elements of SB180 by creating more burdensome that
>> you know I know it's intended for the comp plan but it does bring in some elements of >> you know concept and thanks for thanks for walking down on that too because you know you might have heard me talk about well this is Tony Roundo he's a regulation guy he's going to tighten up that's not the case in fact we can't do
anything more burdensome without getting ourselves in a jam. We're looking for ways to be creatively proactive and forward. >> Does does the time run out soon on >> As long as we don't have another storm. >> As long as we don't have another storm,
it runs out soon. >> So, when does when does that run out? >> July one. >> July one. >> Okay. All right. Then we should be ready on July two. Whatever we want to do. All right. Thanks. Mr. Mayor, there's a couple more
things. One of the items that the commission indicated they would like to have staff work on is what you can call a city service card. And I'd like to have Miss Elizabeth Jones to come up and share with you a concept that she's put together and get your feedback on. >> Good.
Come on down. >> Oh, we have a sample. I like when we have samples. >> What do you think she would come unprepared? >> No, I do not. >> Hello, mayor, members of the commission. Um, so as Mr. Bonapart noted, um, you had all in one of your, uh, goal setting
sessions indicated, um, wanting to improve how our customer services across the board. Um, and that meant, um, when maybe one of our employees is approached out in the field, being able to respond to questions that they may not know the answer to or whom to contact. So
essentially this card in working with Mr. Bonafart, we identified some of those possible key things that may be asked. Um I do apologize for some of the layout issues. We wanted to demo it without paying for it first. Um and the
print came out a little funky there. Um but essentially we wanted to outline those common questions that may be asked while out in the field. Of course we can't account for everything in the size of a business card. Um, so with that in mind, we do have on the back um there is
a QR code that allows the residents to pull up the uh Sanford Connects app, which would then allow them to put in a work order request or to stay up to date on something that's happening since we do update our app about upcoming city events and notifications. Um, that being
said, I have talked with other departments such as it about digital contact cards and things like that. So there's a variety of options that we can explore. It's just a matter of what you all would like to explore, what you feel may be missing from this avenue and
going from there. So this is just the first step of many. >> I like this. >> Yeah, good. >> I would add at the bottom something like any other request and put the city manager's office number. >> We can do that. >> Yeah.
And >> I think at the bottom it should have our cell phone number >> or you can put the mayor's cell phone number. Yeah, that'd work too. >> So the QR code goes to a page that includes both the work order request and the ability to connect to to apply for
Sanford Connects. So it takes you to the gov application which is where you can then do your your work order requests because currently short of calling one of those departments and you know having a request put in that would then trigger a staff to put in a work order request. Okay.
>> If a resident would like to put in a work order request themselves they can do >> that makes sense. But right underneath it says sign up for Sanford Connects app >> when you click the QR code. >> Yes. >> You'll have that ability there as well. >> Yes. Correct. because it takes you to
the app which I can kind of clarify better in that section. >> Yeah, probably put that in the same font so that you know it's a you can do both of these things by clicking on that card. >> That it took me to what looks like the app, but I don't know if that took me
directly to the app or not since I have the app. >> Yeah, if you have the app, it won't take you to the app store for it. But >> right, you're already one step ahead. you don't have it, you're going to go it'll take you to the store so you can apply for it. >> So you can download the app. >> Good. >> Yeah.
>> And it looks like this will if you just take what's written on here, it'll be more of an actual business card size. So if they have a wallet or everything else, it's going to be the same size. >> Correct. And that was the point is so that way our field staff can keep it in a relatively easy accessible size as
well. >> Good. Great job. >> Thank you. >> So I will adjust some of the language on the back of it. I can add the language for, you know, additional support um that can come, you know, from another office. And then if there's anything else, you know, please just let me know and I'll be happy to
accommodate. >> This is great. I think the only thing that would have to go with it, of course, is the training where somebody gets a question from the public and they don't just hand them this card. Correct. >> They hand them the card and say, "I'm not sure, but if you called this number, >> yeah, I would love to help you, but thank you for your question. I'd love to
help you, but this might help more, you know, the professionals." And that's why we did also on the card try to use um terminology that may be more approached by the public as well, such as, you know, I need to turn off my water. They might not know I need to talk to utility customer service. They're just going to
say the service they need. So, we tried to use more common terms that may be asked while in the field. >> Yeah. Great. >> All right. >> Thank you, Elizabeth. >> Thank you. >> This did not take a long time and I'm very happy. >> How about that? >> Geez. >> Mr. Mayor, I'm gonna ask you to hand
something out. And while the mayor is passing that out, I'd like to say that it is staff been working on how to adjust to the proposal of the property tax adjustment. And we plan at the July 13th meeting to give you some strategies. You've seen some already. Um
so we plan to come at that meeting to share some ideas for the commission. What I'm passing out is the fact that in the discussions regarding preparing the current budget, uh, staff has asked to see if we could look to have a millage
cut of 0.1 mills. >> And so Cindy looked at that and over the next 10 years, she's identified the fact that in 10 years it would save the average homeowner $18341 or $18 per year. It would cost the city
in loss revenue over $9 million. And we thought it would be important as a cons as the city commission is looking at the next year's budget, which we plan to get to you by the end of this month and beginning discussions in July of
what that input impact would be. And you heard also earlier from Miss Lindsay in terms of what our need for additional reserves is. Mr. Mayor, that concludes the items that we have. >> Okay. >> You really want to conclude on a
negative note, don't you? Don't you, Mr. Be? >> It's just a fact. >> I'm going to carry it further than that. >> It's a fact. >> Um, well, I would just point out that my suggestion that we cut the 0.1 mil was not to save our homeowners money because
>> that wasn't the point. >> They're they're doing okay. >> Yeah. >> Um, I mean, I think my property taxes have gone up $400 in the last 10 years. So, um it's the it's the commercial
property um that I think is really um being hurt by that. So, I I stand by my suggestion that we need to start chipping away at the millillage. Speaking of property taxes though, >> um we didn't have the resolution thing, which I appreciate because I wasn't
going to >> Yep. you were already with that idea anyway because um I don't know if y'all if any of y'all paid attention to my Facebook page for the past couple of days. >> I did. >> Well, I think he was very patient. So,
and since we can't y'all can't share with me anything unless we're doing it here, um I did speak with our communication staff um about some things that other cities are doing that I don't think are the right approach in terms of
some graphics and just over I would just call it overwhelmingly busy things >> that are um being viewed as just cities saying we
need all the money you'll give us. >> Um I I have tried to make that not my approach. Um I did want to let y'all know I'm going to be on radio Wednesday on the same discussion and um
Lisa is going to have me do a podcast on Thursday. If from what you've seen you don't like the approach I have taken um and you as representing the city you want a different approach then um you should share that with me but my
approach is basically yes taxes have gone up a lot in the last couple of years. If you stretch that back to 2008 taxes have had an average ina increase of about 5.5%.
And so over a longer time period, we have had a much more reasonable increase. The much larger increase in the last couple of years is when we recognize that it's time to do make some cuts. But the homestead exemption change
is not solving the problem >> that actually exist in our structure. And I am a a um example of that. if my taxes have only gone up a couple hundred dollars in 10 years. So,
>> I think what you did is great and you know, I'm really quick about tweaking the city stuff and make it my own so that district one under understands it. But I think you broke it down to what I call the third grade level and that's why I shared it and I said important message from the mayor and I think with
this particular issue, if we're all in agreement, we should be sharing the same message. Um, I don't, this is why I didn't take the opportunity to tweak it. Number one, I don't know as much as you do, but I thought that you gave not only enough information, but examples. Then I
went read through >> 892 comments. >> I thought it was a lot. Um, I also think that communication should look at that too to pull out some key stuff, which I saw that you went back. How do you have the time to respond to all of those? I don't know. And even respond to mine.
Well, because that's I'm not >> You responded to the ones you said. >> Yeah. >> But that was it was a lot. But I just think that for this one, we all should share the same message. >> I 100% agree. And I think he did a great job of putting out the information he
did. And I think we should just be patient and let everybody absorb the information, do their own research, learn. Because when you think about change and how it happens, some of us have been aware of this for quite some
time. So we know more and they are just reacting now to initially finding out about it. So there will be a lot of negative. I'm not going to ignore it, but I'm going to just take it with a grain of salt and say we're going to give them time to learn more so they can make hopefully more informed decisions.
They I mean us, all of us. You know, I could sit here and say that's great for my homestead, but I'm not going to do that because I know about what that impact will mean for the service that we provide as a city. So, >> okay, >> you keep putting out that kind of information and we just let them
>> I was the one that's out there talking and for the city that I was on the same page as the rest of y'all. >> Good. >> We're good with it. >> Commissioner Britain, anything? >> Oh, um, yeah. Mine can wait till
tonight. I just Well, no. I got one thing. What is going to happen to the one position for Lahib or or Mr. Bonapart? You don't have to answer that now, but I would like to know what we're going to do with that employee that has been here for 20 plus years. I am concerned about that. And then at one of
the future work sessions, I would like to talk about Airbnbs. It's not allowed in the city, but we do have it. I've had some residents to complain. I've got to complain. I've sent saw a picture of an Annet bus in front of a resident dropping off cheerleaders. Um, I do
think that, um, having Airbnbs is an asset. However, if it's not allowed, then it's not allowed. So, I would like to have that discussion because we really don't, you know, I know it's not allowed, but we don't have any teeth when it comes to that. And the rest of my stuff can wait till tonight. >> All right. Then we can ask the CL, do
you like to have it on the next work session? If that gives staff enough time, >> what would you like from staff >> to go over the Airbnb if we have an ordinance or whatever it is? Okay. >> I need them to do a presentation and
then to find out what what we need to do in the future when it comes to um setting rules and regulations. >> I think it comes down to what options do we have >> based on what the state allows. >> Okay. I think is what you're asking.
>> Okay. Commission Commissioner Austin, Commissioner Thomas, >> if you have to think about it, you don't get to say anything. You you got to have it ready to go. >> Two two things. One, I'm going to say again tonight, but just to make sure that you're all aware, next meeting I
have to miss because I have a show. >> Oh, >> you'll be glad I'm not going to be here. Okay, great. Um, and the we used to have an arborist position. >> Yeah, >> we do not now. Okay. Because I've had
some residents talk about especially the landscaping around downtown. Commissioner Britain, your district, I know, but some people who they sound like they know what I was talking about say we're replacing them with things that don't last and we could probably do better with the kind of landscaping we
have uh along there. So I don't know if that's a >> I I thought our arborist position got replaced with a horiculturalist position. >> It's a combination. >> Okay. >> Yeah.
>> Uh maybe send me her name and or or just ask her to just let her know that somebody's thinking there might be better ways we can >> Are you referring to current landscaping? >> There there was some temporary stuff from the construction. It's not finished. So maybe that's what it was. >> It's not finished.
>> Yeah. >> Am I wrong? >> But I think there there have been ongoing >> comments about the things that we put out, >> not just from this construction are not the right things. >> Okay. >> And a more of a horiculturalist position
helping choose those things would be better. >> Yeah. >> And so I think they've moved in that direction >> because it wasn't a negative as much as you know you could get things to to be to last more maybe or to be more native fluidity. There was some temporary stuff done here during the transition from
>> construction to fun. >> Yeah, that might be what it was. Okay. And then the only other thing is we do have Richard Glover coming from the zoo tonight. >> And as you all know, I was I'd still like us to do more, but based on
everything that's been going on this week, I thought I might get a pulse from you all again about whether or not we would be in agreement about donating to the zoo. >> Okay. My initial response sort of the
same as to um when they did a thing for Porchfest. Look how much more the community did than we would have been able to do. >> I know. And >> I think they're at 70. How much have they done on the t-shirts? >> It was 50 last time. >> I think it's higher than
>> it's higher than that now. >> Yeah. >> So anyway, >> and they got money from the state too, right? So, it'll still be good to hear from him tonight and have everybody hear from him about what's going on at the zoo, but >> I um I'm afraid we might get a few more tomatoes up here if we send any more money that way.
>> And there's also the concern with regard to the donation policy which you adopted that provides for one donation a year or fiscally to make sure that you're um divvying up your donations. >> But we didn't make a donation, we made a purchase.
>> Oh, you made a purchase. >> That was a little different. We compromised and agreed to buy tickets for the kids to go to the zoo. It was kind of an indirect >> and since then I've gotten information on what money we would have available but that was before >> right >> this week.
>> Okay. I think I have that sense. That's it for me. >> Okay. I have um two things for now. Um if everyone can remember um during citizen participation, it's not intended for us to go back and forth with the
person talking. Occasionally a question for clarification or a direction to staff is helpful, but um we can avoid back and forth. And then for the civic center, we had put on our goals about applying for a historic preservation
grant. Um, which state of affairs in Tallahassee, you know, is it's definitely not a given that we would get it, but if we apply for a million dollar grant, we would need a $500,000 match.
>> Thought we would need a huge match. Yeah. And so before um staff takes the time >> to do that, I wanted to make sure we were willing to support it. In my mind, if the state's going to give us a million dollars
towards repairing the civic center, we should be able to pull 500,000 as the match to do that. I would like to go forward, go ahead and um move forward with it. Um, and if you know, depending on how things go, we will know,
um, I mean, we'll know about the the tax referendum long before we have to make a final decision and we can always back out. >> Yeah, good point. >> But, uh, do we have any idea of what the scope of work is and what the cost is?
>> It's, um, she's focusing on removing the panels. um doing the the treatment to the windows for heat. >> Okay. >> And um acoustics. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Let's go.
>> Yeah. >> Let's do it. >> Yeah. Especially given that before she worked on it that we were going to support that and so and she'll come back with a resolution next meeting for us on that. Yes, ma'am. >> All right. What rule says that that when they do the public comment and I just
want to know that we're not supposed to do the back and forth because I just think that it's disgusting if a resident just comes up there and we just thank you for your comment. I I think that the the the person comes there to be heard and to feel like they were heard and so
sometimes we go back and forth and we ask staff so that we have a resolution. What is it that says we cannot go or I don't think it's back and forth but to comment to the resident or are you just saying we don't do that because of time constraints like help me understand that
because I want to want us to treat others how we want to be treated >> could it be a time constraint because we might be anticipating a lot tonight >> could be and I >> I have to look I think it is in our commission um rules
I No, I did not make it up. >> All right, I'm looking at the back where our rules are. >> I will I will look um during break and see where that is. >> Okay. >> Well, there are times when uh our attorney will tell us we should not
comment or discuss right >> with people who are speaking >> and that may apply as well. All right. Anything else? >> All right. Okay. Part: 2
Everybody except one missing one, but >> yeah. Okay. >> We can begin. >> Okay. We move ahead and call to order the meeting of Sanford City Commission for Monday, June 8th, 2026. Our first order of business is our legislative
prayer by Reverend James Witherspoon, followed by the pledge of allegiance. Please stand if you can. Good evening, mayor, commissioners, city staff, and members of our Sanford community. My name is Reverend James Witherspoon of
the Universal Life Church and I am honored to offer this evening's invocation. Traditionally, an invocation is directed toward a higher power and accompanied by bowed heads. Tonight, I invite you to keep your heads
held high because my message is directed to the people gathered here and the community we share. As we begin this meeting, I ask each person in this room to take a moment to reflect on the tremendous responsibility
and opportunity we share as members of a community. A city is more than streets, buildings, budgets, and ordinances. A city is people.
It is families, neighbors, co-workers, friends, and even strangers whose lives intersect every day. June is a month of remembrance, reflection, and celebration.
It is pride month, a time to rec recognize the contributions, struggles and resilience of LGBT individuals. It it is also the month in which we celebrate Junth
commemorating the final enforcement of freedom for enslaved Americans and reminding us that liberty, equality, and justice are ideals that must continually be pursued.
These observances remind us of something larger than any one group. They remind us of the human experience itself. Many of us know what it feels like to be different. Perhaps we were judged because of the
color of our skin, our religion, our disability, our background, our appearance, our weight, our interest, our economic circumstances.
or simply because we did not fit someone else's expectations. Perhaps we were the geek, the nerd, the athlete who didn't make the team, the student who was bullied, the person with
special needs, or the individual who felt unseen, unheard, or unaccepted. At its heart, pride is not merely a celebration. It is a reminder of the small flame that exists within every
human being. The desire to be loved, accepted, respected, and valued for who we are. Whether or not we agree on every issue, every belief, or every way of life, we
can agree that every person deserves dignity. We can agree that kindness is stronger than cruelty. Understanding is stronger than prejudice and compassion is stronger than fear.
There are thousands of religions and belief systems throughout the world. Yet one message appears again and again across cultures and generations. Love one another.
Even the Bible teaches us to love thy neighbor as thyself. So tonight, I ask all of us, not merely residents of a city, but as members of one human family,
to open our hearts a little wider, listen a little more closely, and extend grace a little more freely. May Sanford continue to be a place where every person feels seen, every voice has
value, and every neighbor knows they belong. And may we send a message to the world that Sanford, Florida, cares for all of its people and is willing to break down the barriers that separate us in order
to build a stronger, more united community. Thank you for the opportunity to share my message with you tonight. >> Thank you. >> Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you, James. >> Thank you, Robert. >> Don't go too far, though. They are um our city clerk is away at a
conference tonight or this week. Um so we are um being watched out for by um Sha Posie, our deputy clerk. Um I have two proclamations and we will start with Pride Month. So if Reverend Witherspoon
would come on back up and Mike Foster and whoever else y'all have Al Sure. >> Thank you for the honor, Mayor. Whereas the LGBTQ plus community has enriched our society with its diversity,
creativity, and resilience, and has continually demonstrated the courage to overcome adversity and fight for equal rights. And whereas the month of June is internationally recognized as Pride Month, a time to honor the legacy of trailblazers such as those who stood
together during the Stonewall riots of 1969, whose courage ignited the modern fight for justice, freedom, and dignity. And whereas the celebration of Pride Month serves as a reminder that every individual deserves respect, dignity,
and opportunity to thrive. and that the city of Sanford values diversity, inclusion, and equal opportunity. And whereas our community benefits from the profound contributions of LGBTQ plus individuals in areas ranging from
culture and politics to science and the arts. And it is our shared responsibility to nurture and embrace the diversity that defines us. And whereas by celebrating Pride Month, we reaffirm our commitment to advancing
understanding, fostering dialogue, and inspiring future generations to reject intolerance and injustice while learning about one another through respect and understanding rather than fear and ignorance. Now therefore, I Art
Woodruff, by virtue of the authority vested in be as mayor of the city of Sanford, do hereby officially proclaim June 2026 as Pride Month in the city of Sanford and urge all citizens to join in a
celebration of diversity and to stand together in support of the ongoing quest for equality in human dignity. Do I read this part? Nope. OKAY, >> thank you.
Did you have anything else you want to say? >> Thank you. have a proclamation. Next is Junth and we have some members of the uh organization that puts on our Junth celebration here. If they could come join me,
>> go up here. Whereas the Emancipation Proclamation was issued January 1, 1863 by President Abraham Lincoln declaring free all enslaved persons in states then in rebellion and it was enforced as the Union Army's established control of each
state of the Confederacy. Whereas Union Brigadier General Edward M. Makook arrived in Tallahassee on May 20th, 1865 and announced the amount emancipation proclamation to the people of Florida. And whereas Union Major General Gordon
Granger arrived in Galveston, Texas on June 19th, 1865, bringing the news to the last enslaved people in the former Confederate States. Whereas June 19th is now celebrated AC across the country as Junth and has come to symbolize the
fulfillment of freedom for formerly enslaved Americans and their descendants. Whereas the Emancipation Proclamation helped lead to the adoption of the 13th amendment of United States Constitution on December 18th, 1865, which ended slavery in all of the United
States. Whereas Sanford celebrated Florida Emancipation Day on May 16th and SAO Entertainment will host Sanford's 6th annual Junth block party on June 20th, providing an opportunity for all residents to come together to reflect and celebrate. And whereas the Emancipa
Emancipation Proclamation and the 13th Amendment were crucial steps in advancing the ideal of our Declaration of Independence that all people are created equal. But despite progress in the last 161 years, we are constantly reminded that we still have work to do.
Whereas the government and people of the city of Sanford are committed to working together for equity, equality, and inclusion for all members of our community, recognizing that our history does not define our future. Now, therefore, I wed by the virtue of the authority vested in me as the mayor of
the city of Sanford, Florida, do hereby officially proclaim June 19, 2026 as Junth a day of celebration. One, two, three. Want to say something? Good evening everyone. Um, first of all, let me invite you out. Uh, Junth is
actually for everyone. It is not just although we do celebrate it and of course we know we celebrate the end of slavery. However, Junth that we host here in the city of Sanford is for everyone. So, that is an invitation to you all. And I'm good with faces, so
make sure you're there. But um we are happy to announce that this is our sixth annual Junth and from the very beginning we've had the backing of some amazing commissioners and as well as the U mayor of Sanford and so we
are pleased to be able to present this every year to the city. You all have been so welcoming. Um it's been inclusive. We just have a great time. Um, and while we're celebrating something that's important, not just to the black community, but to just the
everyone, should I say, not just again to the black community, but everybody across the nation. So again, we invite you, SAO invites you to the 6th annual Junth block party, June 20th, 5 to 10.
Meet us at the civic center. Okay, >> we'll be there. >> That's a yes. Yes, we'll be there. Wait, stay up there for something else. Um, next we have a presentation from the Central Florida Zoo. Mr. Bonart, you want to introduce that? >> Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of city
commission. We're glad to have Mr. Richard Grover here, the CEO of the I would say Sanford Zoo, but it's called the Central Florida Zoo. Mr. grow. >> We have been the Sanford Zoo before. Um, thank you all very much for inviting me to to come and give youall a little bit
of an update about the zoo today. Um, some of my updates are going to be really really recent. Um, one of them I just y'all have probably seen on social media or the news, but we had a bomb threat yesterday. >> Yeah. >> Um, that is happening to zoos across the country. It's become a little bit of an
epidemic. So we had actually prepared and we had been doing a lot of work with our team to make sure they were ready in case it happened because we expected it very well might. So we were fortunate when it came because the call came saying that they had planted bombs
throughout the zoo and mines at about 3:13 yesterday and we closed at 3:00. So we had a handful of visters still in the park that we needed to get ushered out otherwise it was pretty much all staff. So, if it was going to happen, that's about the best way it can happen. But,
um, the unfortunate thing is now that it's happened and there's been press about it, there is a greater chance it will happen again. So, we are prepared for that. Um, you know, we were very grateful for the Sol County Sheriff's Office coming out, sweeping the park and
making sure everything was good. But, you know, anytime we get a call like that, we're going to take it seriously. We're going to take every precaution. Um, you know, we have we have all those animals and all those people in the park every day and it's, you know, it's never one of those things where you can assume
even though across the country these calls are coming, they've all been hoaxes, we can never assume that's going to be a hoax. So, um, but on a happier note, today we announced something new that you may or may not have seen, but we just got two orphan cougar cubs from
South Dakota that have joined the zoo. So, they are about 11 weeks old right now, about 8 lbs a piece. They are in quarantine right now and will be back in quarantine for a while. Um, they're going to need to grow a little bit bigger before we can put them out on exhibit. Uh, but they should be ex on
exhibit sometime this summer. So, we're excited to have those new additions to the zoo for sure. But the thing most everyone wants to hear all the time right now is about the sloths. So, I'm going to give you kind of a brief in case anyone doesn't know the whole story, I'll give a brief uh background
of the sloth and then an update. So, on April 24th, we took in 13 sloth from a what was going to be an attraction called Sloth World that never opened and never will, thank goodness. Um over the
course of the last few years they had imported there different numbers out there but the number that seems the most likely is 79 sloths from other countries. Uh we have the 13 that we got we believe are the last ones still
alive. Um it's been an awful process where a lot of animals have died needlessly in order to make this attraction viable. Um, but they had the wrong advice. They were feeding them the wrong food. They were literally
poisoning them um with the food they were feeding them. And so when we got them, they were in very, very poor shape. And we didn't know, we honestly didn't know. When we made the decision to take them, we got a call from their owner saying, "Would you take these animals?" And the decision when we had
to make it was, "Look guys, we might lose every one of these animals. So if we if we take them in, everyone has to be emotionally prepared. we may lose them all. Um, everyone agreed. We wanted these animals to have another chance. We wanted to give them an opportunity to
maybe have the life they should have or at least part of it. I mean, they should have never been taken out of the jungles they came from, but um anyway, we we decided to bring them in. We we went and picked them up on April 24th. Over the course of the first three weeks, um we
lost four of them and they were the four that when they came in we knew were the most critical, including one that was somewhere around six months old. Um that one stayed in our hospital around the clock and had care almost around the clock for that 3 weeks. So we were all a
little extra attached to that one. Um it was rough losing those, but also we don't get time to grieve when you do what we do. you just keep going because there's nine more that need your help and then there's somewhere around 400 other animals across our campus that
need medical care and feeding and all those things all the time. So, we've just kept moving on. We are now in I don't know, we're 42 43 somewhere like that as far as days. Um the nine that we have left have stayed somewhat stable
throughout that time period, but they are all underweight. their body conditions aren't good and some of them still have diarrhea because it takes them >> 30 days or more to digest anything that goes in their body. So they are just starting to digest the things we started
giving them when they got the correct diet. And a change in diet can cause stress. These animals don't handle stress well. >> So we've seen a few that were doing well have a little bit of a setback and then start to improve again. So, we think over the course of the next two or three
weeks once they've settled on the current diet that we'll be able to feel more confident about their survival. But right now, we feel like we've got three that have shown the signs. We feel pretty confident about them. We have six more that could still go either way. Um,
but these are very delicate animals. So, um, my team has been amazing. I mean, they have put in so much time and so much we have certain people that all they do is work on the sauce because they've been in a um medical quarantine
in case they had any kind of communicable diseases for the first 30 plus days they were here. So, because of that, those people could not work with any other animals. So, that means that the jobs they normally do, other people have had to pinch hit and help and add
to their own plates. So, we've got a lot of people across our campus that have done all kinds of extra work beyond normal. And not once in this entire time have we heard a single complaint from anyone. Everyone is just happy to give these animals a chance. And they've been
overwhelmed by the community support and the support literally across the globe for these animals. We've been tracking our our marketing team has been tracking the hits and and the impressions on the stories that have come out that have had
just our part about Sloth World, not Sloth World as a whole. And the impressions for that worldwide are over two billion impressions at this point. >> Um it we don't have a day where we don't get lots of messages from people wanting to know how are the sloths, you know,
are they okay? You know, where are they going to go? Are they going to stay with you? all those kinds of things. And we're trying to update as much as we can as we have information. We're starting to slow that. We were doing it every day, but there's really not news every day at this point. Um that's
significant. So when we have news, we will share it. But um we're excited that, you know, in the next few months, hopefully some of those will be out on exhibit at our zoo and some others will go and be part of a breeding population other places across the country. Um, we're really proud of the team and the
work they've been doing and the time they've put in. Um, we have consulted with experts all over the country to save these animals and the fact that at this point we still have nine. I don't think any of us when they came in believed that we would still have nine at this point. So, um, we're very
hopeful that when this is all said and done, nine will survive and have decades more of a life. Um, we don't really know how old most of them are. Um, so some of them may have less than decades, some some of them may have many many years, but um, it's it's just something that's
brought a lot of positive attention to the zoo. Um, and we're really proud of the work we're doing and the fact that people are noticing we are doing important conservation work and we are saving animals. Um, to that end, one of the other things we had happen about a month ago are fuss, which are a
threatened species. They are the largest carnivore in Madagascar, but they're about the size of a house cat. Um, they our our female Fussa had babies again this year. So, we've got two of those that are in quarantine until they get a little older and they'll go on exhibit.
It's probably late summer, early fall this year. So, we're excited that those breeding programs we have that are in place, we are part of 37 species survival plans, which are breeding programs between aa facilities across the globe meant to keep endangered and
vulnerable species alive. Having a a genetically sustainable population within our facility so that if something ever happened to them out in the wild and they disappeared, we could help repopulate them in the wild. So, we're proud of all that work we do. A lot of times when people come to the zoo, they
don't see those things. Um, but that is the heart and soul of what my team does and what they care the most about. Um, the other thing I just want to share some stats for you because it's been a while since I've been here. Just so you know a little more. So the zoo has seen since co every year since co we have
seen more than 400,000 visitors to the zoo. >> Um, out of those visitors 38% of them come from 100 miles or more away. So, we are driving tourism to this area. We are driving business to the businesses of Sanford. And I think that's important
for everyone to know. Um, our Asian Lantern Festival grew from the first year we did it, 35,000 tickets sold to last year 128,000 tickets sold over two months. Um, it is driving people from all over the state. We have people every
night that tell us we came from Fort Meyers, we came from Jacksonville just for that event. and those people are coming and staying and spending money in the restaurants and the businesses here in Stamford. Um, you know, we also we are the largest
provider of um education informal education programs in Simino County. We provide to learners of all ages. More than 30,000 people come through our education programs every year. Um, so that's a really important niche that we
fill for for Semino County. And one of the important things about that, right now we have summer camps coming on going on. And we've got a lot of kids that are there that are there on scholarships because we have people that are generous enough to give us grants to allow us to
bring people in that ordinarily might not be able to afford it. But we are working really hard to make sure there are ways that people can come to the zoo even if financially they can't pay our normal full price. Um, one of those and one of the last things I want to say, one of those events that we do that is
meant to be an accessible event for more people are our sunsets at the zoo from May through September. The last for the fourth Friday of every month. We themed them to celebrate different things every month. They start at five o'clock and they go to whenever sunset is. So 88
8:30 something like that. But normally if you're coming to the zoo on a Saturday, you're paying about $26 for an adult ticket. For these nights where you have everything from the zoo plus additional entertainment, you're paying $8 at the door and $6 if you buy your ticket ahead of time. So and there are
some specials specifically like four packs for hot dogs and drinks and things like that. So families have some cheap options if they come for those nights. So, please, if you know people that would love to come to the zoo and feel like they can't afford it, encourage them to look at those days. And I'm I'm
excited to say, especially because of the proclamation we just had, uh the one we're having on Friday, June 25th, is our Pride sunset, which annually has been our highest attended sunset every year. So, >> that's all I had to share with you. I
I'm happy to answer any questions you have if you have any. >> Any questions? Richard, I'm just so grateful that you were able to come and speak because we wanted to give you the forum to share with everybody here and out there in the TV world. Uh what's been going on at the zoo, not just with
the sloths, but with everything because I think a lot of people don't appreciate what you've been saying about what the zoo does and the fact that it's an aa, it's an accredited zoo. You have the breeding program, so it's not just there for fun. You're doing important things
there in many respects and I think everybody should know that. And for those who are catching up now or haven't heard this from me already, uh, central florida zoo.org, or if you go to that website, there's a right there on that front page is
information about the sloths and more importantly how you can donate to help the zoo continue to do what they do because it's it's like Richard was saying, there are people working there who nobody even thinks about who are doing more than their normal jobs to make up for the folks that are in
quarantine taking care of the sloths. So, we've done what we can here as the city and we will continue to promote this as much as we can individually as a commission to share the fact that the the zoo is a gem in the city of Sanford
and we are truly grateful for what you all do there. >> So, thank you for coming. >> Moreover, as a former board member, uh I don't know as if a lot of people know about uh the special facility out in
Lake County. Can you explain that real briefly? >> Yes. So, we >> just so people know >> the extent of the work you all do to help uh the animals of our of our world. >> Of course. So, uh we have out in Eustace, we have what is called the
Orian Center for Indigo Conservation and it is strictly a conservation campus. That's all that happens there. We don't do tours there. Um occasionally private tours, but we don't normally do tours there. It's not open to the public. Um what we do is we breed and we raise and
eventually we release eastern indigo snakes and striped nudes. Eastern indigo snakes are the longest snake native to North America. Their main diet is other venomous snakes. So they keep those populations under control. So even if
you don't like snakes, these snakes you should like. >> I love snakes. But we we are the first institution that was able to actually successfully breed indigo snakes in captivity. And we now are to the point we're releasing between 40 and 50 of them in their native habitat in North
Florida and in Alabama every year. That's >> um and we have reached a point with that program kind of the the end goal of programs like that where you're breeding and releasing animals is to find that they are thriving and they're having their own offspring. And in both of
those locations over the last two years, we have found offspring from those that we have released there. So the process has been successful. We'll continue doing that until there's a sta sustainable population both places and then we will find a new place um that's
part of their native habitat that we can start releasing. But we're really proud of those programs. Um we are so Association of Zoos and Aquariums AA credits us and they have what are called either species survival plans or safe plans which is saving animals from
extinction. Eastern indigo snakes is a safe plan. Our veterinarian wrote the entire manual for it is the one that started to be able to successfully breed these animals and we are the lead institution across the country on this species. So you won't find many smaller
zoos that are the lead institution on any species through aa. So we're very proud of that. Thank you for asking. >> Awesome. >> Thank you for everything you do. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Richard. >> Mr. Mayor, before you go on, I'd like to make a couple presentations.
>> Okay. Was this a bonus moment? >> Mayor and commissioners, a couple of weeks ago, the city provided its service awards and two individuals were not able to receive their awards and we'd like to
present them today. The first one for serving 15 years of service to the city of Sanford is Commissioner Britain. If you come and get your award, how >> is she old enough to have been here 15
years? Thank you, Commissioner. >> Congratulations award goes to someone that is celebrating 20 years of service. And so we're very pleased to present to Mayor Artwood his
20 year certificate and P. com. I believe this actually was Monkey Island. >> Yes, >> that's >> Is there a clause in there that says he has to stay beyond November? Now,
20 years young. That's why you wore your favorite top. >> Bring that later. Um, so that brings us to minutes of the May 11, 2026 regular meeting and work session. >> There's one correction, mayor. Okay,
>> on the work session page two down on paragraph 3 and four, the names are mixed up. Uh where it says Commissioner Thomas expressed concern, I mean, excuse me, Commissioner Britain expressed concern regarding future expansion. That was actually Commissioner Thomas. Commissioner Britain stated that she had
attended public relations meetings and so on and so forth. That says Commissioner Thomas. It needs to say Commissioner Britain. >> My apologies. they will be corrected um right before meeting. >> All right. So, do we have a motion with the corrections? >> Move to approve with corrections.
Second. >> All in favor? >> Any opposed? >> That's unanimously. Um, actually before I get to that, um, because I know some people have a tendency to not stay for the entire meeting, I would like to point out that, um, in the back of the
room is the Seminal 250 event guide, which has all of the events that are happening in Semol County this year, uh, regarding um, America's 250th anniversary. And I believe there are some, um, challenge coins back there, too. So, check those out as you leave.
I'm not trying to get you to leave early. Please stay for the entire meeting. But I know sometimes people leave a little earlier. Um, regarding speaking before the city commission to facilitate public input. If you plan to speak on an item, we would appreciate if you would complete the yellow citizens
input form. Um, if you did not, send in a request by email. And um, the public will be given an opportunity to speak on any item before the city commission during a regular meeting. Before the consent agenda, I'll check to make sure no one check to make sure if anyone has
an item on the consent agenda they would like to speak on. During public hearings, um before any motion is made, the public will have an opportunity to speak. During regular items, if um you have not filled out the yellow form, if we get to that item, if you would raise your hand um and you'll be recognized.
There is a three-minute time limit for each speaker on each item except a person representing an organization presenting its views in a quasi judicial hearing will be allowed five minutes. Citizens participation is after public hearings and individuals may address the commission on any topic not on the
agenda. There is a fivem minute time limit for citizen comments. So that is there anyone in the audience that wishes to speak on any of the consent agenda items? Seeing no one, I'll bring that to the commission. >> Move to approve.
>> Motion second. All in favor? >> I. Any opposed? >> Pass unanly. Brings us to second reading of ordinance 4853. >> Ordinance 4853, an ordinance of the city of Sanford, Florida, providing for the
reszoning of real property totaling 3.61 61 acres in size within the city limits uh from AG agricultural to GC2 general commercial providing for the taking of implementing administrative actions providing for the
adoption of a map by reference repealing all conflicting ordinances providing for severability providing for non-codification and providing for an effective date >> Mr. the mayor, members of city commission. On May 11th of 2026, the Sanford City Commission approved a
request on first reading based on the planning and zoning commission's recommendation to reszone 3.61 acres at the project address of 451 Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard from agriculture to commercial based on consistency with the city's comprehensive plan. Therefore,
staff recommends city commission adopt ordinance number 4853 on second reading. >> Okay. Um, in order to conserve time, I'll read the statement once this evening. This applies to this ordinance.
Um, to item B, um, the Queen's Crossing Development, to 650 Martin Luther King Boulevard, and to 1500 West 10th Street. These are all quazi judicial hearings. And when an
item involves a quai judicial process. Commissioners must disclose all exparte communications including the name of the communicator and the time and place and substance of the commun communication. W written communications, commissioner's investigation, site visits and receipt
of expert opinions must also be disclosed and made a part of the record. Persons who have opinions contrary to those expressed in an exparte communication may refute or respond to the communication at the hearing when they make their presentation. In a quasi judicial process, parties to the proceedings are generally the city and
the applicant. Others who have a legal standing to appeal the decision can also request to be recognized as a party. Parties are subject to cross-examination and must give their testimony under oath. Persons do not have to be a party to the proceeding to be recognized and provide comments. Members of the public
who wish to make comments are not subject to cross-examination and sorry the endpoint virus screen keeps popping up. Um members of the public who wish to make comments uh are not subject to cross-examination and are not sworn
in as evidentiary witnesses. Comments of the public that provide facts relevant to the application can be considered in the dec or will be to considered in the decision. Qualifications of the city staff are part of the agenda materials. All testimony and evidence provided to the city commission must be competent. Material and substantial under Florida
law. A guide to quai judicial hearings has been published on the city's website and copies are available at the table at the back of the chambers. So, if you are a party to this item, 451 Martin Luther King, Queens Crossing,
650 Martin Luther King Boulevard, or 1500 West 10th Street, and um are planning to give testimony. If you would please rise and we'll go around the room and state
your name. >> Okay. And if you raise your right hand, do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give in the matters now at hearing will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I hope you Okay. Thank you. Um, and does anyone have anything to
declare on 451 Martin Luther King Boulevard? >> Nothing new to disclose. >> Okay. All right. Sense. >> As this is second reading, I do not have anything on this one or the one that follows. Um, unless you have any questions, but I figure I have the next
seven items. So, I will just stay put. >> All right. Does the applicant wish to speak on this item? Anyone from the audience wish to speak to the site? Then we'll close the public hearing. M the commission for action. >> Move to approve. >> Second. Motion a second. Any further
discussion? >> All in favor? >> I. Any opposed? Passes unanimously. Okay. Ordinance 4854. >> An ordinance of the city of Sanford, Florida to amend the Queen's Crossing plan development, a real property site
totaling 17.24 24 acres in size, which is generally addressed as 4057 and 4064 Zanzibar Way within the city limits to add vehicular accessory sales and installation with ancillary vehicular
repair as a permitted use. providing for the taking of implementing administrative actions, providing for the adoption of a map by reference, repealing all conflicting ordinances, providing for severability, providing for non-codification, and providing for an effective date. >> Mr. Mayor, members of city commission,
on April 2nd of 2026, in the recommendation upon the city staff, the city's planning and zoning committee unanimously recommended that the city commission adopt ordinance amending the master plan and allow right ofway use for automobile cleaning establishments,
vehicle rental office, vehicle accessory sales and installation with accessory vehicle repair at the project address of 40 57 and 46. 64 Zanzibar Way subject to the development order that incorporates the conditions listed in the staff
report. Okay, this is quite judicial. Does anyone have anything to declare? >> Nothing further to declare. >> I have nothing since our last meeting sense on anything. The applicant wish to speak. Okay, we are good on all the conditions.
>> Yeah, we added the additional one from the um drive-through restaurant. That's part of the staff report now. So, if the commission is okay with the way that that's stated, staff has no additional >> uh >> yeah, I have there's one omission I
think. >> Okay. >> On the May 11th meeting, I think we agreed the the applicant agreed to do a reclaim water recirculated water process on the car wash. >> Okay. And I don't the ordinance
included in the motion and then we will make sure that it's in the ordinance before it gets signed. >> We're good on that. Okay. All right. This is public hearing. Anyone from the audience wish to speak on this item? >> Seeing no one. Oh, bring it close public hearing. Bring the commission for action. >> Move to approve
>> with the added >> move to approve it with the added >> with the added changes of the for the reclaim right claim process. Any further discussion? All in favor? I. Any opposed? Passing unanimously. Thank you.
Uh, first reading at 4855. >> An ordinance of the city of Sanford, Florida, annexing by voluntary petition certain real property which is generally addressed at 650 Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard located contiguous to the city of Sanford together with associated
right of way in accordance with the voluntary annexation provisions of section 171.04. 044 statutes redefining the boundaries of the city of Sanford to include said property amending the boundaries of the city in accordance with the provisions of section 166.031
031 Florida statutes, providing for findings, providing for conditions, directing the city clerk to record the ordinance with the clerk of the circuit court, with the chief administrative office of Semino County, and with the department of state, providing for legal description and a map, and providing for
incorporation of that exhibit, repealing all ordinances in conflict here, providing for severability, providing for non-codification, and the taking of administrative actions, and providing for an effective date. >> Mr. Mayor, members of city commission, city staff have reviewed the request for
annexation and found the request to meet the criteria set forth in the Florida statutes. The property boundaries are contiguous to the city's boundaries are are and our reasonable compact. It is therefore city staff recommendation that city commission approved the first reading of ordinance number 4855 to
annex 1.23 acres located at the project address of 65 650 Martin Luther King Boulevard. This is a public hearing. >> Yes. >> Um I have a presentation. I've just put all three of the next three in one
PowerPoint. >> Okay. Whenever you're ready. >> Go ahead. >> Okay. Whenever Adam's ready. I'm going to try this. I'm not sure how well it worked out. So I put all three in one. We're going to go from here. All
right. So in this presentation, this is the site. The location is between First Street and St. John's Parkway on the west side of Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard and it consists of multiple parcels. So the owners are Tom Ball and
Central Baptist Church and the applicant is Brandon Sani. So the Gateway Commerce Park before you today has an annexation, a comprehensive plan amendment and a PD resoning. Now the annexation and the complnt amendment are only on one of the parcels which is currently not in the city. The remainder
of the parcels will join with that parcel and create one PD res. So this gives you a better understanding of what that is. It shows that the um the three different parcels and then there's a city lift station that it
wraps around. So um annexation is this particular parcel. It's about 1.18 acres. It's going to be combined to total the 18.51 acre PD. The current use is vacant and agricultural use and it is going to be used as an
industrial PD if the PD is adopted. So this is the parcel that needs to be annexed. The annexation overview, it's a voluntary annexation. The parcel is contiguous to the city boundaries. It's compact. It does not create an enclave and it meets all statutory requirements.
So once we annex a property as you know it maintains its Simol County land use. So also before you is going to be a comprehensive plan amendment to bring the property into the city and incorporated into our westside industry and commerce land use as per the joint
planning agreement and the policy within the comprehensive plan. This is the most um relevant the appropriate land use category to change from. It's currently HIPP which is highintensity plan
development target industry in the county and the city's westside industry and commerce is what is considered consistent for this location. Now the zoning the zoning is the one that's going to have a PD master plan. So we'll walk through that one a little
bit slower. The existing zoning is county A1 which is agriculture. The equivalent zoning in the city is also agriculture AG. The proposed zoning is to go to PD which is plan development. And the IND the adjacent uses include industrial institutional some
agricultural uses and I believe one single family in the vicinity. So the master plan is in your packet. It's a pretty standard industrial use. It has two large warehouse buildings. I'll talk a little more about the specifics in the next couple of slides.
Um the table is not going to be readable on the screen, so maybe you can refer in your plan, but it's up there. Um so the deviations proposed generally, they're just sort of summarized. So the reduced Martin Luther
King Boulevard buffer went from 25 to 15. Parking stall lengths are from 20 to 18, which is pretty standard. um outdoor storage is in the front and side yards due to the fact that they have three frontages, but we have worked with the applicant to create a decent buffer on
those properties where property frontage is where they have the storage. The fifth street has a reduced setback as well. And then there's internal parcel line landscape deviation which we'll talk about a little bit later in the staff report. Um the compatibility
measures are on the screen if you want to see them. plan specifics. Like I said, it's two large warehouse buildings. They have three front yards. We've worked with them to try and get some of the um the standard elements that we would and the applicant has
worked with us on these plan elements. This is the landscaping buffering and it shows the outdoor storage area that's going to be screened by the 7 foot non-perforated solid fence.
So the only issue that staff has before you today from the plan is that inside the master plan they do not have cross connectivity between the two sites. An element of the comprehensive plan requires cross connectivity between
sites um when they're joined use of the infrastructure. So in this case they're using joint infrastructure and they're supposed to have cross connectivity between the two sites. Whereas as you can see from the master plan it doesn't. Usually
something like this would come up during engineering but as it is a PD reszone the best way to make sure that it's solidified is to ensure that there's a condition in the report even though it is a comp plan element and should be adhered to. staff spoke with the PNZ and
the PNZ added an additional condition that said the applicant will work with staff to the best of their ability to create interconnectivity within the development. Um following the PNZ meeting, the applicant also reached out to staff and
they're looking at doing um some reduced buffers on the interior parcel lines between the two warehouses. Um, so what staff has noted is we have no objection to the reduction in those landscaping,
but we do need to see the required connectivity. So I believe the applicant will speak to this. This is what the building's supposed to look like. And then the future lane use consistency, its orderly development. The westside industry and commerce
allows up to 0.5 F. The policy of the future land use has access circulation buffering zoning. Um it meets the urban sprawl analysis. It's not within a wellfield zones adjacent to mixeduse areas and it provides non-resident
non-residential employment centers. It meets the joint planning agreement with the consistency between the property uses. It's in sub area 8 which has some standards that it also meets. It's supports the target industry. the sun
rail related uses and it does not provide for residential which is considered a non-compatible use. Um the PNZ recommendation for both the comp plan amendment and the PD resoning were found to be approved unanimously
and then the additional PD deviation which I noted the applicant added an additional request after planning and zoning commission regarding the reduction of those landscape buffers. The PNZ discussed the issue of connectivity is required by the comp plan staff does not support eliminating
the internal landscaping without creating the interconnectivity. So that's the main item that's going to be before the commission. Otherwise, staff recommends approval of the annexation. Staff recommends approval of the comprehensive plan amendment and staff recommends approval of the PD
amendment subject to the interconnectivity between the sites to support the reduced internal steps. And then this is a very condensed version of what your conditions are in your report. So any questions?
>> Any questions for staff? >> I like the way you've done this. We should do them all like this. I think >> if it has multi parts, I'll try it. It went together smoother. The first couple I used to not do them for annexations or conference of amendments at all. >> Yeah. >> But I think this kind of helps see
>> the big picture from the beginning. >> I think it helps everybody, not just us. >> Yeah. And by the way, you had asked about uh anything to declare, but I thought it was just about the previous ordinance. >> I'll ask when we get to the >> reszone. >> Okay.
>> Oh, we're not at the just annexation. >> I did the presentation for all three, but we're not to the quasi judicially yet. >> Okay. Any other questions for her? Okay. Um the applicant want to
do the same thing or do you want to do present at each point? Up to you. >> You want to talk now or do you want to talk later? >> And then you you'll be able to talk on each of them again. So >> the only one you've read in is the annexation. >> Just address the annexation.
>> Okay. So if y'all would just address the annexation and then we'll vote on that and go on to the next thing. >> No problem. Good afternoon. Uh, good afternoon commission. My name is Brandon Sanuri. I'm the civil engineer on this project. Working with Kimley Horn and Associates 200 South Orange, Orlando,
Florida 32801. We worked extensively with staff on this project. Um, the land the development team and myself will speak further on this project on 7e, but we agree with staff's recommendation and here for any questions. Okay. >> Any questions on annexation? >> I have none.
>> Okay. Thank you. This is a public hearing. Anyone wish to speak on the annexation? See none. I'll pledge the public hearing bring commission for action. Move to approve. Second. Motion to second. Any further discussion? All in favor? I. Any opposed? Pass unanimously. That brings
us to ordinance 4857, the future land use change. >> An ordinance of the city of Sanford, Florida, amending the city of Sanford comprehensive plan as previously amended, providing for amendment of the future land use element of the city of Sanford comprehensive plan relative to certain real property of approximately
1.23 23 acres from highintensity plan development target industry to westside industry and commerce and assign uh identification partial number 271930-00002A 000000 which is generally addressed as
650 Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard within the city limits. Said property being more specifically described in the ordinance. Providing for legislative findings and intent, providing for assignment of the land use designation for the property, providing for the adoption of maps by reference, providing
for severability, providing for ratification of prior acts of the city, providing for conflicts, providing for codification and directions to the code codifier, and providing for the implementation of the statutory expedited state review process. and an effective date.
>> Mr. Mayor, members of the city commission, on May 7th of 2026, city's planning and zoning commission voted unanimously to recommend the city commission approve the smallcale comprehensive plan amendment to amend the future land use from high intensity
plan development targeted industry to the westside industry. Therefore, the staff's recommendation the city commission approve ordinance number 4857. Okay. So, you've already done yours. So, you have something on the um future land use.
>> Brian is here. Uh here to address any questions if you have that. >> Okay. Any questions on future land use? >> This is a public hearing. Anyone in the audience wish to speak on this item? >> See? No. I'll close the public hearing. Bring a commission for action. >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> Have a motion and second. Any further discussion? All in favor? I. Any
opposed? Pass unanimously. And then to ordinance 4858, >> an ordinance of the city of Sanford, Florida, providing for the PD reszoning of a parcel of real property totaling approximately 18.51 acres in size located at 650 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard and assigned tax partial identification numbers 2-619305 AE3500 000000271930003B 0000 and 271930002A 000000 by the Semino County Property Appraiser which is which property is
located within the Sanford city limits is established the fi fifth street and gateway commerce park PD providing for findings and intent providing for the taking of implementing administrative actions providing for the adoption of a map by reference providing for conflicts
providing for severability providing for non-codification and the correction of scrier's errors and providing for an effective date and potential reversion. >> Mr. the mayor and members of the city commission. On May 7th of 2026, the city's planning and zoning commission
voted unanimous to recommend that the city commission adopt an ordinance to reszone 18.51 acres from residential to agriculture and that you establish the Gateway Central Gateway Commerce Park
plan development at project address 650 Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard. subject to development orders listed in the staff report and therefore staff recommends commission adopt ordinance number 4858. >> Okay, this is quite exciting to show if anyone has anything to declare.
>> Yes, I had a conversation with Mr. Ball. >> Okay, >> Mr. Mayor, I had a conversation with Mr. Ball today. >> Anybody else? >> I had a conversation with Mr. Fernandez and Mr. Ball. >> And I had a conversation with Mr. Ball. >> And I had a conversation with Mr. Ball. >> What? You got to all of us.
>> He's hitting everyone. >> Okay. So, we've had yours. >> Okay. Um on your way up, I have a quick question. Um the the there's a pond labeled Semino County Pond. Is that an existing pond? >> No.
>> Okay. >> Yes. My name is Excuse me. Can you pull the line a little closer? >> 2764 Way, Jackson Beach, Florida, 32250.
Um before our civil engineer steps up and talks about the the technical details of our project, I just wanted to take an opportunity to one thank you, Mayor Woodruff, uh Commissioner Thomas, Commissioner Austin, Commissioner Wiggins, and Commissioner Britain for your time, consideration, and support on
this project. Um you know, I think I'm here to tell you guys ultimately what this project means for the city and why it's not only important for us, but important for the city. Um, as we're all well aware, our project is comprised of two industrial buildings totaling 236,000 square feet. But I think more
importantly, it's it's worth me calling out the why the site plan or design looks the way it does. And that's, I think, pretty simple. Our goal is to provide a best-in-arket product that ultimately attracts not only new tenants to the market, but retains businesses
and their operations in the city of Sanford. Um, I think ultimately we're aligned in the sense that what is best for the project ultimately is best for us is obviously the developer, but ultimately is the best outcome for the city. And what is that? It's growth in industry, growth in the economy, and
lastly, employment growth. Um, additionally, I think it's worth highlighting a few positive impacts and stats that our project um represents. This is a $43 million private investment with zero public subsidy into the city
of Sanford. Um we anticipate north of 300 permanent jobs upon completion and stabilization of the project. Um thirdly, based on our estimates, this will represent hundreds of thousands of dollars in incremental ador taxes on
land. That is less than a few thousand dollars in ador taxes. And lastly, this project represents the full construction and improvement of approximately 2,000 linear feet of roadways that either one don't exist today or in a state of
infrastructure insufficiency. And um to layer on top of that, we will also build and provide to the county um about half an acre of storm water infrastructure that will further support the growth of this corridor within the city of Sanford. Um, and with that, I'll simply hand it over to our civil engineer to
answer answer any technical questions that you guys might have. >> Thank you. >> Hey, before he comes up, tell me about the 300 some jobs. >> Yes. So, we use that calculation. We based our calculation on an implant logic where we provided basically a ratio calculation based on the number of
square footage of office warehousing space. So, we take the total warehousing space of the project. We add a multiplier to that number and then we take the total percentage allocation of the warehouse that will be office for the for the use and then we take an implant ratio and apply to that square footage as well.
>> Okay. >> Which is industry standard for >> economic practice. >> Makes sense. Thank you. >> Any other questions? >> Right. >> Thank you. >> Good afternoon again Brandonique. Uh so to start the we've worked extensively
with staff on this project and we're really excited about the progress we've made so far with the city and the county. Um and to some of Eric's point we are incredibly improving these uh infrastructures along Mike Street and Fifth. Um both will be 50 foot rightways
which is improving the total road network. Um where it's it's also important to note uh our uh mayor Mr. mayor that we did uh dedicate that land.5 acre to be able to build out Fifth Street uh without that that area.
We would not be able to build the road because we wouldn't have sufficient drainage. >> Okay. So, the Sino County pond is for the road. >> Yes. Okay. >> So, that that will uh remain on our property, but it is for the roadway. >> Yes. >> Uh we also it was important to us to maintain proper access. So we have two
access points along MLK, two access points along um sorry three access points along Fifth Street and two access points along MI. Um and this is really to make sure that we have prop proper efficient flow throughout the roadway network and also making sure that the
entrance and exits of this site allow for proper circulation through city of Sanford. We um as in regards to the internal buffer that was was brought up earlier, we're asking for a deviation on this because we feel that our pond uh
separating the two sites is actually above this minimum setback requirement. Our pond is uh 50 to 100 foot in width has decorative uh fountains inside of it. We also have canopy trees along certain portions with the trailer parking as well as a a 10-ft maintenance
BM. So that would be a clear delineation between the two properties and therefore that is why we are requesting that deviation. Uh lastly the interconnectivity uh we feel that the code is is very vague and ambiguous and and typically when we read code from a comp plan amendment it
usually uh directs us to some sort of land development code where we can rely on those exact standards for us to implement that design. But in this case, it really just mentions the standards for um and since we have all these access points, they are compatible uses,
but we do intend to subdivide them in the future, we were hoping that the commission would agree that this is not required for this site and therefore removing condition 10 from uh the development order. And that's all I have. If you have any questions, happy
to answer them. probably stay there but question for Eileen. Explain to me more about the interconnectivity. It's not we're not talking about a road in the middle or a clear separation between the two warehouses, are we?
>> No, it it's okay. So the way it's worded in the Westside Industry and Commerce policy within the comprehensive plan, it says standards for controlled access and internal circulation, including cross access easements and joint use of driveways.
So in reviewing the plan, as noted, it is generalized, but it's pretty clear. It says cross access easements and joint use of driveways. So staff finds that it does not meet that requirement. It's up to the commission to determine if they feel that the applicant has met the
burden to prove that he meets this requirement or that they meet this requirement or if cross access additional cross access is required >> and what would it take for you to meet this requirement? >> Yeah, so you know we really were were struggling with the with the drainage especially in the improvements that were
required to do for fifth street. So it was really imperative to create that road network for the city of Sanford. So we made it uh very important for that 0.5 acre pond and so essentially that made the site extremely tight on drainage and therefore that interconnectivity it it essentially
could kill this project. And these are two very efficient, well-made warehouses that are lowmaintenance and adorum tax income for us. >> Absolutely. Yeah. And and and just to to clarify a little bit, we we don't we're
not trying to to deviate from the code. We feel that the code is not required for this site. We feel like it's it's very vague and you know, this isn't a a multif family with a retail parcel that you would want that interconnectivity. These are really going to function separately. They are going to be subdivided. And there's a ton of access
around these three frontage roads. >> I agree with that. >> And it's going to give 300 jobs. >> That's right. >> Yeah. Okay. But my question or concern which I did not understand earlier
is if the comp plan says it has to be there, can we say it doesn't have to be there? And if we say it doesn't have to be there, are we saying are we just saying that the comp plan doesn't actually require
it? The way I read the comp plan, it's required. I don't find the same vagueness that the engineer does as to what's required. >> Yeah, we were we were hoping to see something more along the lines of the
types of uses or some more detail when we look at a land development code reference. And even the the the mention of 1.17, it still doesn't talk about, you know, industrial to industrial. This is a a broad form comp plan and typically that gets more refined inside
the land development code and uh so we we never anticipated needing to do that because we felt that we weren't required to to meet that because it was more of a broad form to make sure that depending on the use that it would be required at that point. >> Guess it depends on our interpretation
of vague or not vague. We make everybody else follow the code. >> Um, Eileen, what what would you say constitutes cross access >> connectivity between the two sites without having to enter a public
roadway? I mean, prior to this being built, there would not be a fifth street roadway they could use. I mean, it's a public rightway, but they are improving access between the two
sites by building Fifth Street, but that's as far as I could possibly say, that's how they've created cross connectivity because they're now not just going onto Martin Luther and they're not just going out to ME. They've got connectivity between the two
sites without having to go on the two northwest road, the north south roads. But that's not what this says. is it does say cross access easements and joint use driveways. So staff staff had to find that they don't need it if the commission you know
>> because they're not joint use driveways and I mean that one they're definitely not joint use driveways >> we understand also the the need for intent. between parcels to be connected for certain uses. But in this case, why
we felt that way is the the comp plan amendment sets the precedence for the WIC. But in this specific case, industrial to industrial and they're going to be subdivided. There's no requirement for them really to talk in that fashion. And that's why it was so imperative to for
us to install Fifth Street. That access is there. That circulation is there. It's just a matter of internal versus 500 feet away. >> Yeah. With with the improvements they're doing to Fifth Street, which is long overdue, they're making it usable for once,
>> right? >> Um the inter connectivity is there clearly. Um and if if both parcels were to be sold to different people, they they might not want that interconnectivity.
Um and so we're By by putting these hindrances on these projects, we are we are being our own worst enemy on future use and future uh filling of those properties.
I'm still a little confused about this interconnectivity and exactly what we're talking about. >> Well, there's no examples. That that's the problem with with some of our some of our codes. There's there's no examples. There's just some vague wording.
>> Cross access easements and interconnectivity would be the ability to drive from this site to that site without going on the road. This is a drive lane. >> You mean the two warehouses on this? >> A road in the middle of the site. >> Right. Right in the middle. >> Well, it could be like on the You see on
the very bottom where there's parking on the right and parking on the left and it kind of drives off. >> If they connected those two, that would be cross access. >> Is there not room to put a drive? >> And I want to be clear, we of course would love to accommodate this. That that area is the discharge location for
drainage. So essentially having an out road there is is impossible. We need to maintain that positive outflow. So we've tried >> explain explain to me where is that going to outflow to? >> So that that that middle pond drains south into an existing swale that runs
uh parallel to the site and then eventually crosses over MK Boulevard. So that pond stores the the water and then overflows into that swale. So, so water would flow once this is full, it flows out and this way.
>> Correct. That is correct. >> And you can't have the interconnectivity on any other of the three sides. Can't split the warehouses. >> They'd have to cut right through the middle of the pond. >> Yep. >> Yeah. Or at the top of the pond where
there's even less space. If I may, I think one point that I would like to re reiterate is before we had to design.5 acres as essentially a county dedicated storm water pond, this concept of connectivity would have been a lot
easier, right? But because of the existing storm water infrastructure that is present today in this corridor by improving Fish Street to the benefit of not only the county and the city um that more or less c cost our site.5
acres of land that we could have used to provide better connectivity in between the two buildings. uh when we lost those.5 acres, we lost a lot of flexibility in the terms of how do we design our storm water ponds. Um it's
from a design standpoint incredibly impactful. I'd also like to point out the interconnectivity between the two buildings uh from a traffic standpoint becomes uh maybe not exactly what you would consider for the concept of connectivity, right? You would not want
vehicular auto traffic interconnecting interconnecting an area that is more or less intended to be used by truck traffic. U so from that standpoint as well I think it's worth considering what interconnectivity would mean for an
industrial project where separation and distinct access points for auto versus truck traffic is very important not only from a leasing standpoint but just from an overall site circulation standpoint. It's it matters.
>> So your thought process, Commissioner Austin, is since they're improving the road, they are providing the access. >> If they weren't improve if they weren't improving that road, there wouldn't it
it would be a difficult two sites to access. But they are improving that road and creating an interconnectivity there. Uh but yeah, I I got to address the white elephant in the room
due to what we may be facing in this state. This is exactly the kind of project this city needs. >> I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm I'm hung up on the when I discovered that it's in the comp plan and we have to >> agree with that.
So if I if I may, that's that is my only position on what does your comp plan require? And that was the question that I was asked. What does your comp plan require? Now I would and it and it does require interconnectivity. Now I would add that the condition from
PNZ simply states that the applicant will work with staff to the best of their ability to create interconnectivity within the development. So it will be the intent of the applicant to work with staff to determine if it is a viable option. That
is the extent of that condition. And so I wanted to bring that issue home as well. If it is determined from an engineering perspective that it is an impossible feat, they will have done their diligence in working with staff. But that's specifically what the condition provides
for. >> Okay. >> This is the first. So, in terms of engineering, have y'all actually engineered the act the size of the bonds? >> Yes. And that's that's why we're so far along and it's it's >> okay. >> We're so tight on on drainage, especially that the problem is that
>> in doing the analysis for future roadways when when they were doing MLK, they they did not account for Fifth Street. So, it's it's uncommon that we're having to provide a 0.5 acre pond. And um also we would like to have clarity on this item just based on the fact that if if it goes down the line and we still don't we are required to do
it but we can't do it then we we might be back at square one. So um I don't know if there's an option for like pedestrian connectivity some sort of sidewalk between the two. Would that be along the you know >> that's better than nothing >> close to to you know
>> is that a viable option to create pedestrian connectivity? I think we might be able to accommodate that >> staff. Would that be appropriated at least to as a resolution? >> Yeah, it just states cross access easements. It does say joint use driveways, but it doesn't say every property has to have joint use
driveways. It just says that there should be standards for controlled accesses, internal circulation and cross accessments and joint use driveways. >> Okay. >> Well, you can circulate internally on the sidewalks >> if you if you find that. Right. So, they can park on one site and walk to the
other if they needed to. if there was some reason that parking wasn't available or one was closer and they walked across. >> Um, >> okay. >> Is that viable option >> with that understanding of staff? We're we're willing to accept that that condition that we will work with staff
>> and it will be very clear in the ordinance as to what those parameters are so that when as you get through the process there's no confusion. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> Can we put this item on our list of things to review in the comp plan? >> Yes. >> Yes, please. to clarify it
>> because we do not want to violate our comp plan and make an exception where we're trying to be consistent. >> Feel like we're violating our >> No. And I think we're not because of this. So, let's get that clearly documented. >> Any other questions for the applicant? >> Take that sidewalk and make it happen. >> All right. Thank you so much, commission.
>> This is a public hearing. Anyone from the a wish to speak on this item? >> Seeing no one. I'll close the public hearing. Brand the commission for action. Move to approve. What's it say? Sidewalk being added >> interity.
>> Connectivity. >> Cross connectivity via a sidewalk. >> Wait, no. You said via a sidewalk, but that technically is not what what what I heard them say is they're going to work with staff. We haven't technically said what it was.
>> Yeah. I think at this moment, the fact that staff is willing to to work with us, we're okay with that condition. >> There you go. is the congestion. >> Thank you, Commissioner Britain. >> Thank you, Commissioner. >> Like up to interpretation. Okay. So,
>> what is the final is a sidewalk? Is that what we're saying? >> Staff is saying a sidewalk can >> interconnectivity by way of a sidewalk >> and they will work with you on that and make sure it's feasible. >> Right. That's the only part that we just need to engineer and make sure that it's
it does work. And that's why I can't 100% say that. But the condition as it reads that we will work with staff is we're 100% accepting of that. >> Okay. I just like to know exactly what it is. I'm approving. >> I'll just say approve. >> Appreciate that.
>> You know what? >> Well, first of all, did we have a second? >> No. >> Second. Okay. discussion. >> No. Okay. All in favor? >> I. Any opposed? Passes unanimously.
>> Okay. Thank you. Um, ordinance 4856, >> an ordinance of the city of Sanford, Florida, annexing by voluntary petition certain real property which is addressed as 3890 Kentucky Street and is located contiguous to the city of Sanford
together with associated right of way in accordance with the voluntary annexation provisions of section 171.044 044 Florida statutes redefining the boundaries of the city of Sanford to include said property amending the boundaries of the city in accordance
with the provisions of section 166.031 031 Florida statutes. providing for findings, providing for conditions, directing the clerk to record the ordinance with the clerk of the circuit court, with the chief administrative office of Seino County, and with the
department of state, providing for legal description and a map, and providing for the incorporation of that exhibit, repealing all ordinances in conflict here, providing for separability, providing for non-codification, and the taking of administrative actions, and providing for an effective date.
>> Mr. Mayor, members of city commission, staff have reviewed the request for annexation and found the request to meet the criteria set forth in the Florida statutes. It is therefore staff's recommendation city commission approve the first reading of ordinance number 4856 to annex 1.3 acres bearing the address
of 3890 constructor Kentucky Street as legally described into the city of Sanford. Okay, this is a public hearing. Anyone from the audience wish to speak to this item? Seeing no one, I'll close the public hearing. Brand the commission for
action. >> Second. >> Motion and second. Any further discussion? All in favor? >> Any opposed? Pass unanimously. Um, ordinance 4859. An ordinance of the city of Sanford, Florida, providing for the PD resoning of a parcel of real property
totaling approximately 6 acres in size located at 1500 West Temp Street and assigned tax partial identification number 261930 032A000000 by the Semino County property appraiser,
which is property which property is located within the Sanford city limits to establish lish the Harwick Place PD providing for findings and intent providing for the taking of implementing administrative actions providing for the
adoption of a map by reference providing for conflicts providing for severability providing for non-codification in the correction of scrier's errors and providing for an effective date and prevent potential reversion. >> Mr. the mayor and members of city commission. On May 7th of 2026, the
city's planning and zoning commission voted to recommend that the city commission reszone 6 acres at the project address of 1500 West 10th Street from multifamily residential to plan development. It is therefore staff's recommendation that the city commissioner approve ordinance number
4859. >> Hey, this is Quag official. Is anyone has anything to declare? And then I did speak to staff about this one specifically about the ponds. Miss Hson. Okay.
my last presentation tonight. Okay. So, first reading of ordinance 4859. It's the Har Place Development Res. So, the site is located on 10th Street. It is the location of the former Castle
Brewer Court um housing that was the demolished housing authority section 8 housing from 2016. So, It's a six It's a 6 acre portion of the former 448 unit public housing site.
It's located the east side of South Malbury Avenue between 8th and 10th Street. Its existing zoning is MR3. The future lane use is high density residential and it is the one parcel that is sought to be developed for this portion. So this is the existing
conditions of the former council report. The project overview is the request to reszone 6 acres from MR3 to PD plan development. The proposal is for 80 unit multif family residential building. Um it's being proposed by Windover who has
done the first I believe three or four phases that you've seen on the third and sixth street properties. It is the housing authority property and a cap meeting was held in August of last year.
So, the master plan you have in your packet, it basically is a single confined building, parking surrounding. It's one three-story 80unit building, senior affordable housing. Amenities include a community room, library, fitness center, salon, a theater room,
gazeos, pool, and rain gardens. And the PD is used to coordinate the design flexibility and compatibility. the summary of the deviations, building height, living area, um the parking spaces, the visual screening
density, units per building, no private balconies or porches, the interior corridor access, no garages or storage units, no bus shelter, and no car wash area. These are pretty consistent with the other 55 and up senior living
apartments that we have had. They've reduced parking. They've had higher densities. They are multi-story with interior corridor so contains the um access points. The living units are slightly smaller than our minimum by
code which is 700 square f feet. They range in the upper 600s. They will have a 6ft aluminum picket fence which is more in line with step head versus the type one masonry wall that's otherwise required surrounding this type of use.
So the staff assessment of the deviations, the height increase is um limited to the decorative roof roof line. The living area is consistent with compatible senior project. The parking is aligned also with compatible senior projects. The septed which is the crime
prevention through environmental design. It's consistent for the fencing and it's similar to the fencing we've had on the other um properties that are the housing authority properties being redeveloped. The density is appropriate with the highdensity residential uh future lane use designation that it
has. The interior access improves management and security. The amenity package compensates for the lack of private balconies and open space. And then the car wash omission avoids water water quality burdens as well as um it
is a regularly omitted element from our PDS just due to other complications with on-site car washes. So I have provided some of the elevations as part of the PowerPoint but they are also in your packet.
Um the comprehensive plan consistency the future land use objective 1.1 with the HDR density the residential land policies is compatible with surrounding neighborhoods the concurrency requirements uh will be verified at the actual engineering stage the housing
element it meets the affordable quality housing and the community appearance policies it's coordinated site planning and design. So some of the compatibility considerations we did the building clustered toward the interior of the site perimeter fencing and landscape buffers required yard maintained or
addressed through the PD the architectural treatments will avoid flat facades the lighting setbacks have to be greater than 75% of the buffer width we have a static in our lighting code and it doesn't work for most PDs because of
the way it has to be set back. It ends up in the middle of the parking lot. So we've been modifying that to identify when the setbacks are less. It has to be greater than 75% of the buffer width in this situation. And the storm water pond shall be
naturalized with a fountain feature. Um at May 7th, the planning and zoning commission recommended approval in line with staff and then staff's recommendation was to approve consistency with the comp plan. based on
consistency with the comp plan, appropriate use of the PD flexibility, compatibility measures included in their site design, and alignment with the affordable housing goals of the city. If you need them, they are up there, but they're really small. So, they're in
your packet if you have any questions about the conditions and then questions. >> Questions for s. Okay, I have a presentation. >> Good evening. Mike Cutoo, Avcon, 436
West New York Avenue on record. Um, I do want to point out, I know it's a big item with the stormwater pond and as you may know, the the new storm water rules have changed. So as part of the implementation to meet the criteria, we do have what's called a lural zone and
it has uh about 80% additional grasses and shrubs within the pond to make it more natural looking. Um and we you have an old site plan that what we already modified lessons learned from the previous project. Put more curb line
pond shape in there along with um the toal zone and the plantings around the pond. So there'll be a lot more landscaping, a lot more grass, a lot more shrubs and more natural looking. So I wanted to point that out. >> More natural looking also. >> I apologize. >> Also in shape.
>> Correct. It is not shaped like that any longer because I redesigned it after our previous project and conversations. >> So I'm happy to answer any other questions we have about the project. >> Um I do have a couple of questions. So this is just a piece out of the entire parcel. >> That's correct. This is six acres that
you see right there of the 17 remaining >> and then included in the property there's another smaller parcel across the street >> also. >> Okay. What is there a plan for the property surrounding it? >> Not currently.
>> Okay. >> So, we did provide 110 ft for on the north and south side of this project. That's why it's really compact to provide for single family for residential lots on the north and south. >> Okay. That's what I was wondering is if we can wrap this thing with single family
>> potentially. Yeah. Is that what it is? That's an option. My point >> and Okay. I just went I went clear on what the the vision was and I know one of the things they wanted in that neighborhood was single family homes. So that leaves that option there. >> Okay.
>> And that um not to harp on the pond, but that would be another reason for that pond to to have some um to look a little nicer because it may end up with other residences on the other side of it. All right.
>> Yeah. And that was apparently a question that came up during the cap, but it looks like with all the questions that were asked, there were satisfactory answers. >> So, I don't think I have concerns there. >> Okay. Any other questions? Did you have anything else? >> No, sir.
>> Okay. Thank you. This is the public hearing. Anyone from the audience wish to speak? >> Seeing no one, I'll close the public hearing for the commission for action. >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> We have a motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor? >> I. Any opposed? Passes.
>> Okay. >> Okay. That brings us to some participation. I have three requests. Where did this third one come from? Who slipped over here and gave me that one? The clerk did. >> Wow. Okay. Sneaky. >> Um, first is Chan Robinson. Mr. Robinson, while you're coming up,
um, I was mistaken, um, about the timing. I I misunderstood what I was told about when you gave your check. So, I just wanted to correct that. So, I am allowed to speak. >> Five minutes, >> Mr. Mayor. >> I am allowed to speak. I didn't quite get what you were saying. >> I was saying because I had emailed you
and I was incorrect and I was just acknowledging that I had found out I was incorrect about the time. >> That's the first one I've gotten in a week. I appreciate that, sir. >> Okay. So, you have five minutes. >> And uh since we started and somebody just referred to her as the clerk, for the record, I want to um ask a simple
question. Is it fair to say that in the absence of our clerk, since the deputy clerk just got called the clerk and is sitting with the name tag of the city clerk, that uh she's trusted, authorized,
and invested as a capable performer of the duties of that office? Is that a fair question to ask? The mayor goes down, the vice mayor steps in in full authority. That's the way those positions work. And the same reason why Tracy's not here
tonight. It's a very similar situation to what I went through the other day. I have ran for mayor twice. I am very familiar with the paperwork and just like you guys mentioned earlier about the vagueness and ordinances that
you guys just so easily bypassed with a with a vote even at the discretion against the discretion of of Commissioner Britain when she was asking questions because she's like, "This is vague, but I want to know. I want to know. That's the same boat I'm in. I am a
resident. I am running against a man who owns private planes and a woman who owns is a heir to a million-dollar franchise. Am I that dangerous to where I come in and I can't turn in uh paperwork? You guys spoke in the beginning of this
meeting about fostering dialogue, rejecting injustice. I believe Claudia said uh to stand together in support of equality and human dignity. Is quality and human dignity present when somebody comes in and is legally qualified as a candidate for mayor of
this city? when they're told by the deputy clerk that they are approved, when notifications are sent to the supervisors and the commissioners are making public notices and then to have that all expuned over the course of a week and all seven of
you are sitting on emails threads and you're seeing the evidence and you keep asking for more and more evidence. The laws are vague. the only I have went over and combed over with my attorneys every single rule and and statute and
it's not y'all's faults that it's vague, but the rules state that you have to have a campaign account that is FDIC insured that is registered under the EIN. I'm using I've been using the same EIN number to respectfully and
professionally register my campaign accounts. I have lost two elections to the city and I'm probably up against a harder fight than I've ever been and I can't even get paperwork approved and nobody's acknowledging that you guys can use this the deputy clerk tonight to
officiate all the paperwork. Everything that y'all voted on tonight is being sworn in to record by the deputy clerk. But when the deputy clerk says that my campaign packet is good, all of a sudden the the city clerk can
come in the next day 24 hours after a deadline has been met and say that I'm no longer qualified. She text me at 10. I was con doing construction work just to make the money back to pay my family back because I borrowed the couple
hundred from my my wife, you know, just to even put the campaign account and put my my family in a bad position by running for mayor. That's how bad I feel like this city needs to change because I'm being accused of using a Square account. I've registered two campaign
depository accounts. And for the record, Square is one of the biggest financial providers in the entire country. There's not a borrower business you can't walk into in downtown Sanford that doesn't use Square. I turned in two pieces of paperwork. I asked you, Deputy, I asked you specifically, I told you why I was
filing two two forms. If Tracy was there, not working remote like she is tonight to do her job and say, "Hey, I don't like the square check." Then I would have gave her the Fairwind's one. Fairwinds just makes you wait a week to get your your hard check. So you have to get a cashier's check. And I thought a
cashier's check would be informal. So I wanted to the ability to campaign in the most competitive way possible. I am up against immaculate odds to even win this election. I just wanted the ability to be able to campaign and see somebody and say, "Hey,
do you want to tap to pay? have a use modern modern capabilities and that's what's setting this city back so far right now is because people are refusing to use modern technologies and think outside of the box. We're so worried about breakdown of tax dollars and what
people are going to take from us that nobody's getting aggressive. Nobody's getting aggressive and saying how can we make more money as a city. Our website is trash when it comes to innovation. We have three apps dedicated to downtown Sanford alone and all of them are
confusing and not one is good. Nobody uses any website that we pay for. And the same thing that's being done there is the same thing that's being done to me. I am being accused and and and told that I can't run to represent my city even though I turned my paperwork in
over an hour before the qualifying deadark purposely. It's a competitive campaigns are competitive races. the the time that you qualify the time that you qualify >> is within the realm of the of the person running.
>> Like I I don't want to sit here like a sit and duck and run against these two guys for 18 months. I purposely came in prepared and if Tracy was there to do her job, then she would have said something about it and it would have been remedied. But nobody's communicated. Nobody's talking to me.
I'm getting treated like I'm a criminal. I can't go into city hall without getting a police escort. And I got proof from people on the staff that you guys hired more security tonight just for me. And that's why I left my lawyers at home. And that's why I came by myself to look you all in the faces and let you
know that I'm not tolerating this. And if you guys don't remedy the situation in the next 24 hours, I have paperwork for about four or five different suits. And if that's the way I got to go to get my freedom back, then I'll do it. >> Okay? >> And I'm taking everybody with me.
Tracy's not here tonight. She wasn't there. Then >> Mr. Robinson. >> That's the problem. >> Times up. Thank you. >> That's the problem. Richard Sams. I promise you I'll be on that. >> Hello. How you guys doing? >> My name is Richard.
My name is Richard Sims and I'm here on behalf of my son Alexi Reddics concerning a property here in Sanford. Uh we're born and raised here in Sanford and uh we have an issue at hand that's here is on the clock for June 11th for
foreclosure and I gave documents to each official so that you can see what has happened and have some concerns of some things that was misconcepted about 1407 historic Goldber Boulevard.
With that being said, I just want to know how can we go about by having a reconsider reconsideration of the judgment that was made with this particular property that is due to be on foreclosure for June 11th. Um, in the
midst of that, um, once we found out, we got it at the late of the hour, but found out about it, we have invested over $30,000 into this property. And with that being said, put a new roof, new windows, interior to get it up to
compliance because it was in code violation. So we rectified those issue and applied for the amnesty program. And when we applied for the amnesty program, we was denied being denied from the necessity program for the misconception
of operating the business on an event day. And so what we did to address that issue to ask for reconsideration sent in valid documentation for as videos,
pictures, etc. to show that that was a misconception of operating um and we got denied. So we reconsidered and asked for reconsideration. come back again with another denial
saying that it's all listed in the package here. So, we want to say that we're looking for a reconsideration for the amount of money that we put into this building to keep it as our own. Um, so we need the help of the officials to help do that. Um, like I say, documents
are there for you to review. A lot of people um are falling behind with this. So, I'm looking for some help with it. is saying that June 11th is the foreclosure date. Um, but if we was allowed to get permits and everything
that's done in the proper order to get everything taken care of, I figured that being a citizen of Sanford, the amnesty program is for if you happen to fall in a particular situation that you should be granted it if you have came into
compliance of all violations. And we're at that time now where all of the violations has been taken care of and we have been denied the amnesty program. So we are citizens of Sanford went to school here from elementary to high
school. So we're looking for some help to be able to obtain 1407 historic Goldboro Boulevard. attorney. >> Sure. Uh, this matter went through litigation. I understand that um
Christopher Clark who is an associate attorney with my firm has been in communications with your attorney and I would recommend that you allow the process to go through um since the attorneys are talking and what that process is as opposed to addressing it
here at the deis staff has been intricatally invol involved in this process with regard to us getting to the point of foreclosure. Uh my understanding is that it has been a very longcoming process but my recommendation is to allow the process to move forward
as the attorneys are already in in conversation. >> Do you know when we started foreclosure? >> I mean are we the ones foreclosing? Are we forclosing on leans? >> Mr. Raundo is coming down as to when foreclosure was initiated. Off the top of my head I don't recall. Thank you.
>> Are are we the ones foreclosing? >> Yes. Do you know when we started foreclosure at the uh beginning of the year? Mayor. I think uh unless I'm admonished by council, I I do think this particular case is worth uh
comment >> brief comment 11 years. Uh >> I thought it was around nine, but okay. the to be eligible for the lean amnesty program, you have to be in compliance and and uh Mr. Reix is not in compliance. He has two open cases still.
That's a very short answer, but 11 years 11 years we've tried to get remedy. Uh 11 years, 7,972 calls for service there. If you'd like me to break them down by call, I do it.
homicide, armed robbery, rape, fights, 98 shots fired call, a shots fire call with injury yesterday. We have to make a difference in the community and uh it's fundamentally
unfair after 11 years of trying to get compliance to initiate foreclosure and then come to the table and want to speak, want lean amnesty. The fines total about $1 million at this point over those 12 cases.
11 years we haven't heard. We filed for foreclosure and then you know we want to make changes. My recommendation is we stay the course uh follow the advice of the city attorney and we push for responsible ownership
because we have to make a difference. What I would like to say towards that is, if I'm allowed, um, with all your calls, they're not directed to 1407 historic Goldsboro Boulevard. I will be first to say that
things do happen up there in that area, but I don't think it's fair to hold a property owner accountable for everything that happens on 14 happened on historic Goldsboro Boulevard. Can't control the outside.
can control the inside. So for to say calls of 700, 800, whatever it was that you addressed, I don't think that's fair to say that that's towards the property owner because you haven't came there at 1407 and talked with the owner or made any comments to the owner of any of
those 70 and something cases that you named out that the property owner, you addressed them about any of those claims that not once happened in the 11 years. To state further on this, we did something we learned here in the last part of the hour. When we purchased the
property, the property had leans on it prior to purchasing. I would stand first and say that was bought since to learn that you never buy a piece of property without doing a title search. So, prior to us owning the property, the code enforcement leans were already running
on the property and we didn't have awareness of it. So when we got aware at the latest hour, we try to do the right thing as being able to rectify the code violations that has been on the property and now they are right now on historic
Boulevard. 1407 is the most upgraded building on historic outside of the new construction that has just been performed for Mr. Win who built a funeral home. out of all of the business
up there, 1407 is the most upgraded. >> Okay. >> I would just add >> through the process there is an opportunity for this to be taken care of. >> The attorneys are in communication. Our firm is doing what we've been charged to do, which is to deal with certain
properties that have extensive code enforcement issues, have extensive code enforcement fines. We are doing that. We are doing it selectively. We are not doing it in a punitive fashion. Um it is now to this process where foreclosure has been set and I would advise that
rather than we have evidence presented and that's be adjudicated here, it's already been adjudicated by the special magistrate, it's already been adjudicated by the court that we allow the process to move forward. >> Okay. >> Where this isn't my district, this is in
district two, but where is 1407? It's crossies, isn't it? >> Yes. >> It's commonly referred to as dreads. >> Oh. Oh, >> okay. All right. So, we'll let the um process work its
way out. >> So, we would just continue to work with the attorneys >> and I would continue to communicate through your attorney which will communicate with our firm and that's the process will move forward from there. But there is no relief uh as far as I my
understanding is that the foreclosure date has been set. Other than that, I would not have any other comment on it. >> Okay. So, in other words, we just lose out over on $30,000 of putting into the project just to get the project get the
property taken away from us due to the excessive leans or to that nature. And you have the amnesty program to help us in that situation. So since we're at this hour, what you're saying to me is that it's going to process the fall out on the 11th of this of this month. So
that'll be Thursday. >> My recommendation is that you follow up with your attorney and if she thinks that she or he thinks that there is some viable option for you that she will advise you of that. >> Okay. Thank you. Jameson Gondelman Matthews.
>> Hello, my name is Jameson Gman Matthews. I'm here on behalf of my colleague Demo Grant for Phantom Fireworks. Um, he wrote a letter prepared for you guys that I'm going to read. Hello, city commission. And as our nation prepares to celebrate the 250th anniversary of Americans founding, communities across
the country are looking forward to honoring this historic milestone. Events such as Independence Day celebrations bring families together, strengthen community p community pride, and remind us of freedoms and opportunities as we enjoy as Americans. My name is Domo Grant and I serve as the Central
Florida's manager for Phantom Fireworks. I am writing to respectfully ask you for your consideration regarding a permit issue that has placed Stanford fireworks tent location in jeopardy for the season. In March, I contacted the city of Stanford to determine what required permits there were. At the time, I was
informed only of a tent permit and assigned permit would be necessary. Based on that information, I proceeded with the process and submitted the submitted the required documentation in May. After submitting the application, I was then informed of a special event permit needed and that it takes a 60-day
process, a deadline that we have already passed. I was generally devastated to receive the news because had I known the special event permit was required earlier, I would have submitted it immediately and ensured full compliance. I fully understand and respect the city's need for structure planning and adequate review time when approving
special events. The challenge in this situation is simply that I cannot comply with the requirement that I was unaware existed. For this reason, I'm humbly requesting considerate consideration and leniency regarding this year's application. I'm not asking for special treatment for the city to overlook important regul important regul
regulations. Rather, I'm asking for understanding giving the circumstances and the information that was originally provided. I want to personally thank each and every one of you for taking the time to listen to my concerns and showing grace and understanding throughout this process.
The event in question is not a large scare festival or major gathering. It is simply a temporary retail tent selling firework merchandise during our Independence Day season. Our hope is to participate in the celebration of a significant moment in American history while serving the residents of Stanford
responsibly and safely. If you grant this opportunity, I can assure you that I will submit all required permits, including both the special event and temp permit, well advanced for future seasons. Thank you for your time and consideration. And then I also have a copy of the special event permit if you
guys are at all interested. >> Okay. So I did speak with um >> what's it >> do and I talked to um Jerry Sullivan um and I'll let I won't speak for Jerry
so I'll ask him to come up. Okay. And basically y'all will have almost 48 hours to get this on the next agenda. >> It would have to be by noon on Wednesday is my understanding. >> Okay. So
if they have everything, are y'all able to do that? We'll get it to staff. The biggest thing is we have to look at the site and make sure the site is workable because of not only space for the tent, but parking uh
that they're using one of the gas stations, I believe. >> Is that is the 7-Eleven at Ronald Reagan and Lake Mary Boulevard? >> It's the 7-Eleven at 7500 County Road. >> Okay. So,
I had told them that their only option was to come ask us to let the permit be submitted and if staff could do it fast enough, then >> I don't object to it, but I would like to know if he was told that all he
needed was a permit and um a and it's not a permit. >> It wasn't our department that they spoke to, so I I don't know. >> Okay. But you you have an agreement with the land owner, the property owner. >> Yes, we have we're they're are one of
our bigger national partners, but we have a signed lease um property authorization forms. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I'm pretty sure everything that's required in this packet I have with me here today. Um and if there's anything that comes up we still need, we could get within the day, >> but I believe it should be 100%
completed and accurate. >> Oh, I didn't see Miss Brooks back there. I should have invited her up. She stayed up late just for this. >> Yes, she >> because you're the one that's going to be having to do the work. So,
>> actually, >> okay. >> Um, and I'll dissect I would um recommend uh denial on their request. We have five special event applications that have
followed um the rules and um when he called he said he asked in May and May would have also been too late to submit a special event application. Um he says he has $100,000 on the line and almost every city
requires uh a permit. I did recommend that he put the application in now for December. He wants to come back in December. But we not only have to have the the application, the map, the contract, he has to have a nonprofit that he's associated with. And we
literally it's I I would forward it up to to zoning and then I have to get in touch with a nonprofit to confirm that they're in agreement and it's just a lot to do in 24 hours. >> Okay. Well, I I just wanted to just make sure
that he had a fair chance. If if he was told all he needed was a permit for the tent and the sign, then we should do our diligence. If he was given all of the required information, then I I agree we stay hold that. That's where I'm I'm at right now.
>> I agree. >> I will say that I was going through some emails. uh the the employee that he said that he spoke with, she and I had a separate conversation, a whole email chain about a fireworks permit, uh TNT,
and it was it was just a few days um at the end of April. So, I find it very doubtful that she would give then give the wrong uh information to someone within a week. >> Has this applicant submitted an application to us before?
>> No, not to my knowledge. Um, can I clarify something? >> Um, according to my colleague, he reached out in March about the tent permits, not in May, and he was not informed of the special event permit. Um, if we were, we would have gladly obliged and submitted it in time.
>> On the phone with me, he said, um, may and I I believe he was also asked to, um, give Jerry Sullivan a call, which he has not received. And he was told that on Thursday, I think Wednesday or Thursday of last week, and we have not, we did not
receive that phone call. >> So, not comfortable creating undue hardship for you and your staff. >> All right. Sorry. Thank you for your guys' time and consideration. >> Thank you. And finally, Dan Matthews. Mr. Mayor, commissioners, this will be
brief. Um, my family and several of the families in the Grove Manor subdivision where we live have adopted Spear Grove Park. >> We've been out there uh twice for cleanup and pickup and, you know, trimming and all that type of thing, taking branches away. Uh, we've also
planted flowers and put down mulch around the sign. We have now put out a free lending library out there. You'll notice it faces the street. Um, so we're actively engaged in this park and so we just want to thank the mayor and the commission for approving during the consent agenda the item G which was for
$68,000 for improvements to the park. We really really appreciate that. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Dan. >> I never even know knew it existed. >> No, you do. >> All right. Is there anyone else in the audience wish to speak to the commission
on something not on the agenda? >> Mr. Matthews, can you wait for me? Okay, then we will go on to regular item 9A. >> Yes, Mr. Mayor Ozone. >> Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of city commission, city staff recommend city
commission approve the procurement and subsequent purchase order number 420009 increasing as proposed for the annual zone system repair and maintenance to the Pinnacle zone solution in the amount of $367,621. Questions or motion? Move to approve.
>> Second. Any further discussion? All in favor? I. Any opposed? Nley. Item B. The mayor, members of city commission, and city staff recommend city commission approve the procurement for additional
purchase of miscellaneous parts and parts from hydra service in the amount of $323,163 during the fiscal year 202526. Any questions or motion? >> Second. Okay. Uh Mr. Johnson, you don't
have to get up. Um but just to clarify, this lets us this connects all our lift stations. So if something goes wrong, we get we know about it. You don't have to come down here. >> You just give me a not unless I'm wrong. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> That'll be nice to have. >> All in favor? I. Any opposed? Pass unanimously. I see. >> Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of city commissioner, it is staff's recommendation that the city commission approve the agreement for legal services for forfeiture actions.
>> Any questions or motion? Move to approve. >> Second. >> Motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor? >> Any opposed? Pass unanly. Resolution 3484. >> Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of city commission, city staff recommends city commission approve resolution 3484
amending the budget and reallocating funds in the amount of $775,67.84 from the PAS class action settlement as proposed. >> Move to approve. >> Second motion and second. Any further discussion? All in favor?
>> Any opposed? Pass unanimously. Resolution 3485. >> Mr. Mayor, members of city commission, the city staff recommends city commission approve resolution 3485 to amend the building department budget in the amount of $90,580 procurement to blitz permits in the
amount of $90,579.34. Question or motion to approve. >> Thank you. >> You only need to come down if I'm wrong is this is will be sort of a trial period because we're only doing it for six months. That's not a yes or no answer.
>> Okay. All right. >> No. >> No. It's a prrated amount is what it is, mayor. Uh it's not a trial period. We plan on contracting with them, but but of course we'll re-evaluate this. It's uh this is the integration of AI >> and we'll have it in two places.
Sufficiency review at the at the inception of the permitting process and then we'll have a forward- facing bot where citizens can ask questions about what the permitting process entails. >> Excellent. Okay. >> So, we're only doing six months because that takes us through the end of the budget year then >> basically. >> Okay. So, you're left in the year,
mayor. >> You said that. >> Can I throw my pencil? >> You can do something. Okay. So, all right. I thought we were just trying it out and if we liked it, we would go on. But you expect to like it and you'll budget in the next year for
>> I expect it will be a budgeted item. >> Okay. >> Next year. >> Well, we'll take a look at it. >> Thank you. >> Yes, ma'am. evaluation. >> All right. All in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? >> Best question unans. We did have a motion there. Dear >> Oh,
>> yeah. >> Yes. >> Austin. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh 3486. >> Yes. Mr. Mayor, Mr. City Commission. It is the staff's recommendation. City Commission approved resolution 3486 to amend the building department budget
amount of 22 $228,52 to increase various account lines. >> Move to approve. >> Second motion and second. Any further discussion? All in favor? >> I. Any opposed? Passionly. Resolution 3487. >> Mr. The mayor, members of commission,
this is ask recommendation. City commission approve resolution 38 3487 authorizing the memorandum of agreement with corporate firm for landscape improvements at the Sanford Municipal Cemetery. >> Questions or motion?
>> Move to approve. >> Second. >> Any further discussion? >> That to the private. >> All in favor? >> I. >> I. Any opposed? Pass unanimously. They're also helping at um the Hopper Academy Gardens. >> Good. Um 3488. >> Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of city
commission staff is requesting that you approve resolution 3488 to designate to approve the designation of a portion of State Road 46 between Sanford Avenue and East 40 29th East Lake. >> East Lake Mary Boulevard. I don't know
where the 29's a bonus. >> That was a typo I told you. >> Yeah. >> Inseable as designated as the L mayor Larry A Dale Memorial Highway. We would point out that former mayor Larry A. Gale was a major force and a larger than life figure in the city of Sanford for
many years serving as the mayor of the city of Sanford from 1997 to 2001 advancing the city's river the growth and development including substantial contributions at the airport the riverw walk and community partnerships that enri en enriched local
schools and facilities which include the aquatic center located at Seino High School which bears his name. And this was a >> this was a bill by Representative Planken. Yes. >> And the state legislature this year. And if you didn't notice, it's the part of the road going by the airport.
>> I have a second. >> All right. Any further discussion? >> All in favor? I. Any oppose? Pass unanimously. And finally, um, medical wellness. >> Yes. Mr. Mayor, members of the city commission, the city staff recommends the commission approved the medical
service agreement with Wii Care, replacing the previous provider. Move to approve. Second motion second for discussion. All in favor? Opposed? >> Pass unanimously. City attorney comments. >> Mr. Mill, before we move forward,
earlier in the work session, Mr. Raondo asked that we have a zoning in progress or schedule. That's right. >> Does that need a motion? >> I'm sorry. >> Um, >> zoning in progress or schedule? >> Yes, that does require a motion. So if
we can get a motion to start zoning in progress for schedule E of the land development regulations. >> Move to start the process of the zoning and pro progress >> for schedule E >> for schedule E >> of the land development regulations. >> Land development regulations.
>> Okay. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Any discussion? Um all in favor? I. >> Any opposed? Nancy. Now, city attorney comment. >> I have no comments, mayor. Thank you.
>> City clerk's report. >> Um, we had several trainings already regarding the new agenda. Um, we have an approvers training tomorrow morning. We are hoping for it to be live barring any
surprises either the first meeting of July. If we have any curveballs or surprises, it'll be the first meeting of August where everything will go live. >> Okay. >> All right. City manager report. >> Yes, Mr. Mayor, may the city commission. Just for the public information, Miss Hchin, the city clerk, is right now
attending the city clerk conference. That's why she's not here. >> Okay. >> Anything else? >> Nope. Great. Commissioner >> Breton Okay. at the work session. Um, I talked about the link program and I need to
make sure that I have permission to ask if I'm allowed to ask about that employee because I asked about it, but I know that there's a fine line between what the commission can do and then what the city manager can do. So, before I want to I guess retract that and then ask if I'm allowed now that we've been
informed that the LAI program is going away. We do have Maria there and she's a 20 plus year employee here of the city of Sford and if it's okay for me to ask what happened to that employee are we making any provisions or anything like
that if not frame >> commissioner I have no problem with you asking me about that uh you are correct that there's be a change in the ly program we have been in touch with the state as well as the county about what's going to be happen is state funds that fund that and we are also aware that um
Maria basically is looking for additional employment to fill out her retirement. At this point, there was nothing within the city. We are and her supervisor, Miss Osborne, has been working with her to see where there may be opportunities for her to be able to continue in the Florida retirement
system. >> That is very important. I know that that would be a lot for me when you put that much invested into that FRS system. That is that's a big deal. So, I us to to look at that and don't take that lightly because we lost funding of that.
Anything that we can do and this is not me telling you what to do. I'm just saying just for us to treat others how we would like to be treated. That's that's what I'm saying on that. All right. Um we said that the amphitheater would possibly could be completed by the 4th
of July. Is that going to happen? >> I'm seeing head shaking. >> I figured it wasn't. I just wanted to know if that was going to be happening or not. All right. Um I am proud to be an employee of the city of Cambridge for 15 years. Actually is 16 years. I came
on with Mr. Bon Park in 2010. Um I actually helped to turn his water on. Um >> so this is this this summer will be 16 years for me. And um I want to congratulate myself and Commissioner Wigan on running under opposed that
either said we doing a good job or don't nobody else want to do the job. >> Come on. Come on. Give us either way. It makes us happy. >> Yeah. Um but I I you know I I'll save my speech for December. But what I really want to say is that I really plan on
leading with some intention this year. I've let my residents know that I'm coming out front, that I'll be working more from behind the scenes and actually being intentional about the things that I want to do. And I have much planned working alongside our businesses, our
residents um and our our um our business. I think it is imperative that I get this internship. And I want to say this with all due respect. I don't have time to go back and forth with all of the emails. Commissioner Thomas sent a
whole dissertation about internships. I would really appreciate if we could get the ball rolling on that. City manager, if you could manage once we get all of the details ironed out, then bring it back to me. We spend so much time reading emails. I don't have the
capacity, the bandwidth. Everybody knows that district one is a basically a city of its own and the art can't um contest to that. It is a lot. I need the help so that I can be the best representative
that I can be. So, an intern is really good. And I'm not just saying just for district one. It can be for the entire commission. I I lean on um Pam a lot, but I think an intern would would be beneficial not just for district one
commissioner, but for the people that I represent. So, if we could move forward on that, I would greatly appreciate it. Um, >> Commissioner, if I could. >> Yes, sir. >> The city does have a paid internship program that people can apply for. >> Okay. So, could could we could we get
all of it lined up for Commissioner Britain and then and or for the commission as a whole. I'm just I can't keep going back with all of the email. >> It's on the city's website on the employment. >> Okay. But I'm asking you, >> should we have communications, maybe pitch it a little more, put a little out
there that says, you know, this can also be an intern position to support the commission, >> maybe develop some new interest. >> We can get with communications and see about because it is and it has been on the city's website. If you wanted an internship, you could apply for it.
>> Well, sure. And so is every other position that's out there that if people happen to be looking, they might be looking. But maybe we kind of give it a little more juice. >> Did we end up filling that? >> No. No. Okay. So, it's still available. >> Um, >> well, isn't it crazy how the district
one commissioner doesn't even know that? Again, I say I can't read through all of those emails and I asked about it at one of the goals and accomplishments meetings and I brought it back up again and it just seemed like a bunch of back and forth. I did not know that we had that on the city website. It's hard to
navigate the the city website sometimes just to find out where to pay the water bill. So, okay. I mean, it make it easy for me to do my job. That's all I'm asking. That concludes the district one report.
>> Commissioner Wiggins. Uh last last month, uh my community meeting, Bokei Riders Motorcycle Club, gave away uh six scholarships. So I'll commend them um the great work that they're doing in the city of Sanford. Uh George Stark Park, doc, Dr. George Stark Park, we are able
to uh give away uh 60 plus uh families of groceries and then also as lastly as Commissioner Britain said, congratulating her for another four years and I feel that I'm blessed to be in this situation I'm in. Uh, I know I'm not going to please everybody and I'll
be a fool to think I am, but I'm not going to change who I am. And so, I thank God for those that support me and do what needs to be done. I am open. We have a meeting once a month. Uh, I am able to get in touch with all you have
to do is reach out and we can sit down and talk. But I will say this for all that know me. And if you don't, I am not going to sit around and tolerate foolishness. If you want to sit down and talk so we can help make our city better, I don't know all the answers and
I'm open to listen, but I will not tolerate foolishness. So, if you want to sit down and talk, I'm here. But again, I'm looking forward to the next four years. I'm done, sir. >> Speaking of foolishness, District Three
is up. >> Mr. Austin. >> Uh, I want to congratulate uh Sanford Youth Baseball. Um, we had nine teams go to districts and we had six win
it and qualify for the state tournament this year. Our 8U, 9U, 10U, 11U, 13U, and 18U have all advanced to state. It's the first time we've ever done this. It's It was also the first time we had that many teams make it to district. We
had one other team make it to the championship. So, we almost had uh we almost had seven teams go. So, uh look for us to be uh looking for help financially for them uh like we did last year. Um and I'm sure you'll be hearing
more about that in the next couple weeks. Mr. Sullivan, do you know when they go to state? >> Yeah, it's all different. Okay. Okay. All right. Um, that that's that's all.
Commissioner Thomas. Uh, >> I want to extend my thanks to Chief Smith and Lieutenant Lehman and crew for their above and beyond trying to work with some issues we've had over in my district with some motorbikes that they come, they go, they leave, they get
quiet, and then they come back. So, I'm very grateful for the work you all have done there, and so are my fellow residents. Um, and I made a note here, but I have forgotten. I was I do plan to share with you all what I got out of the Florida League of Cities leadership training.
So, I'll send you the PowerPoint and some notes that I took about that. It was pretty useful stuff. Uh Memorial Day event was great. Uh kudos to everybody that was involved in that. That's always a great event and I appreciate everything you do there. um Sanford Sound Stage I got to make
back to that one this month because it was they had a Carlos Santana tribute band and I as I told them that was the very first album I ever ever bought. I won't tell you what year it was but let's keep that up because it was a fun
event. And uh speaking of the arts, I will be missing the next meeting because I'm in my other life performing in a certain play, a musical over at Theater West End. So June 12th to the 28th, if you're out and about, you might see
somebody you might recognize on stage. That's all I have. >> I'm coming. >> You coming? Cool. >> Is it a comedy? >> It will be. There will be some funnier moments. Um,
in terms of law, have we heard back anything from the county? >> From the county and not from the state. >> Okay. >> That's what I wanted to talk about. >> Okay. Um so and with regards to the
internship Sharon because I had asked about um volunteer and you had some concerns about how that works I think and or about a a part-time one. Have you looked in any further into
how we could do volunteer >> internship? The preference is to have a paid internship. So there's no questions as to employee status, hours work, things of that nature, supervision. It is always the my recommendation to
clearly delineate um and not go into the fuzzy area uh with the paid internship. We can work with Miss Holder uh and city manager about advertising that more. >> Okay. And when when we look at the
budget, let's look at that position and see if it could be split into two. >> Did we have one last year? When was the last time we had it? But no, >> I thought you said we didn't fill it. >> Well, we we already have we have two
positions. One is filled with adult commission. >> Okay. >> So, there are two internship positions. >> Yes, there's a full position that can be split into two. >> So, we have we have two possibilities internships.
about time. >> All right. And one of them is still open. Yes, that's good because I just emailed the student. We had a student from um that was a former member of uh the youth council >> was interested in coming back and
>> all right. So >> good. >> It's possible to have two under the one >> and we have one filled now, but he'll be finishing in I think the end of the summer. >> Okay. All right. Um, I had some other things.
Did we ever put the dollar on the website? Is Lisa here? >> No, you're not here. You never I looked on the website. I couldn't find the >> I couldn't find it either. >> So, I don't know if we put that on the the website or not. need to >> um
I think that is it then. We are ajourned. >> We are jer. >> Wow. I thought it would be a long night. >> Huh? Huh? >> You show me. There.