--------- Okay, we'll go ahead and call to order the meeting of San Francisco City Commission and work session for Monday, May 11th, 2026. You were ready, right? Okay. And the first item, health center management agreement, will be moved to the June
meeting. So that brings us to the seminal county partnership. >> Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of commission. The first item, the healthc care management. Uh the agreement, we're still working on some things with the city attorney and their attorneys. And so the agreement is not ready to be presented to you this evening. We do plan to do that on June 1st. The next
item is the partnership with Semino County regarding the 417 connector. Uh we did get a letter from the chair of the commission commissioner her along with a draft into local agreement and it is now for you to discuss. You had a
primary a preliminary discussion earlier. I will point out that the county manager and the county staff are here for any questions. >> Okay. And it's my understanding also that for this to go smoothly um it needs to be approved by June 1st
and that's a state requirement. Is that correct? >> Yeah. >> According to county manager. >> Okay. >> And we just learned that today. >> Okay. comments, questions. Do we want to move on this tonight?
Add it to the agenda and get it taken care of. Commissioner Thomas, you seem to be thinking. >> Well, I'm thinking a lot about this. I have been thinking a lot about it. Um, but I
know what my decision is. Well, I'm not I'm not afraid to say I'm not I'm not crazy about the whole project, but um there are there are a lot of benefits to it. Um, and
I almost I'm almost down to the point of of looking at it. Uh well, no matter what I say, I'm going to be criticized, so it doesn't really matter. Almost a necessary evil. Uh we're not get we're not going to get any smaller. We're not going to have less
traffic. We're not going to have less uh people coming to the airport. We're not going to have less people coming to that side of Sanford. Um, if the indoor sports complex proceeds as planned or hoped for, um, that's going to bring a lot more
traffic. Booma is not slowing down. Booma is getting bigger and will be bigger than it already is. Um, and and we got our first hotel out there and probably a couple more maybe
coming. So, uh I I think I think uh it this is one of those tough decisions where you just you might have to bite the bullet and and go with it. >> Well, and sort of the same along the same lines, you know, if 10, 20, 30
years from now, >> um you know, I think this is going to be looked on as thank goodness they did it. Um >> kind of kind of like before 17. Well, and I was thinking about that when um I was reading some comments on um on
Obito's discussion about it um and remembering when if we lived in this area of Seminal County, we took 436 to get to OIA. And imagine if we were still doing that today. >> Um
so, >> no, absolutely. it it's hard sometimes to look to the future um and and and we get stuck in the now. Uh but uh this is I think this is a
balance of both. And um my my my only fear is like like I like I had uh mentioned it the last time we discussed it with uh with uh Darren is uh you know
what's next if we give you this this cut of the pie now what's next? Um and so that's my only fear. >> Oh what's next is we ask them for stuff. >> Correct. Um, so and you know it
I I don't think uh I I don't think enough people understand sometimes um working together is beneficial. uh and you may not want to work together on
on this issue, but you're going to want to work together on an issue down the road. Um and so it I'm reminded of uh our old friend uh who who's no longer with us, but uh you know, Jeff Trip Triplet
taught me that early on. Um because I was I was a little more fiery back then than I am now. I know y'all can't believe that, but >> I can't believe that. >> I know. It's It's incredible. I But two strokes later, I've calmed a little. >> Thank God.
>> Um not much, but um you know, sometimes you got to play well in the sandbox and uh that I think that's what uh what we're doing here. >> I don't have any questions. Um, I'll
just make one statement being that it is in my district. I've been to the presentations that they've had at Millennials. I've done the sitdowns and I haven't had one resident to say that they are in favor um of this project. Um, and so because I speak for them, I'm
not in favor. I totally understand what Patrick said. That's great point. Um, and I'm I'm pretty sure all of the commission um, you know, a agrees with him, but you have new development there and some people who have purchased their
their their homes, these are lifetime commitments, mortgages, some of them, these are their forever homes. And so although it is great for the future and we have to think about that, it is difficult for many residents who will now have such a big structure in their
backyard. >> Yeah. But but but like I mentioned, uh a big chunk of Sford experienced that same thing with 417. My old neighborhood uh was was is still
bothered by that road. Um and and where my my parents live on the other side of I4, the uh >> the Ford 29 expansion is right almost in their backyard. Um I I I don't have a good answer for that.
I don't have a good I don't know and and I I feel for I feel for the people that will be bothered by it. Um but uh I I let I bought a house I chose to buy
a house right next to 1792. Man is it loud. I I did not do my due diligence before I thought about buying that house. But uh but it it we enjoy it for other reasons and uh we deal with with the uh the
sometime noise issues but uh I agree with everything you said Patrick and I agree with everything Commissioner Austin said. >> You mean >> I mean Commissioner of Britain that one over there.
>> Uh and I still just the hair. Yeah, it's uh I can't get away from the concept of induced demand. And if we talk about the fact that we've done this already, that doesn't mean we have to keep doing it and keep putting
people out of their homes and keep inducing demand by making things easier for people to continue to drive their cars and their SUVs instead of trying to find more transit options. Um,
so Darren, I love you, but I just, you know, the mayor was talking about 20 years from now, and I think 20 years from now, I just rather not have my name on something like this that I'm just pretty firmly opposed to. But I do love
the idea of continuing to cooperate. In my short tenure, it seems like maybe more the county might be asking us more to cooperate on things, but I'm sure that will just eb and flow and we'll >> Oh, their days help. Their day is coming. >> Their day is coming. >> So, yeah, that's pretty much where I
still stand. >> Right in some conversations. >> I'll sick Brady on them. >> Don't do that. I mean, I live out there, so I see the
the impact every day. You know, when we built my house, there was no Lake Mary Boulevard. Now I hear Lake Mary Boulevard. >> So, um, you know, there I mean, there definitely going to be impacts, but I think in the long run,
it's, um, this is the right thing to do. We will put that bring that up as an add-on after the other add-on. >> Is that right? Now, the attorney had made a comment before the meeting, I think, about some wording in the
>> correct. So, I was going to speak to that issue. If there is if there is a motion to approve it, I would just request that it include the ability to further edit the interlocal agreement because it has been brought to the day
is today with a June 1st deadline. There are some edits that I've already seen that I'd like to address with the county manager. nothing that I think is going to uh thwart this matter should it be approved but just with that understanding that there will be some
edits thereafter we just add that into >> into the motion >> okay >> for final approval. Thank you. >> We would expect nothing other than that for different attorneys to have different likes of verbiage. But I would think we need to phrase it
in some way. Edits that don't materially change the because otherwise we're appro. We don't know what it looks like. You >> you are approving it in in scope and you're approving it in in the intent of it. Giving the attorneys the ability to
just have further discussions with regard to editing. But the gist of the matter is if it should you approve it would remain the same. >> Okay. For instance, Mr. the mayor members commission in page 206 section 3B it says during the agreed period the
city voluntarily assigns to the county 100% of the city's statutory share of the fuel tax proceeds and as I discussed with the county attorney and the city attorney and the mayor it should read that we agreed to the 5% additional tax not the old
>> not all of them not all >> well that's a big difference >> yeah Okay. All right. So, anything else on that? Right. Then we will go on to the goals.
Um you have two documents. one was the early list and then I took that and I know um Commissioner Thomas likes spreadsheets so I put it in a spreadsheet and I sent it as an Excel file because my guess is she's already
modified it >> just a bit >> um and then sort of went through and made a column of when this sort of need where when I think it needs to be done or would be done and then who would be doing it and then I also added at the
and the um city manager's goals we had talked about um previously. Four of which directly correspond to >> these others. >> So questions, comments, >> uh just a couple of quick fixes on
periodic planning X on item 113. I think it's periodic planning 101 versus periodic department or maybe it was department deliberately. >> Periodically we will have department 101 I think is what it was.
>> Okay. >> Various departments would train us on things. It started with um planning but then we thought it might be wise to teach us other things people do. >> Okay, that makes sense.
>> And first item under city manager goal city master plan utilities master plan. No, I can't help myself there. Um, but the due dates look reasonable. Of course, there are a couple on here that
we've already missed, the March 26 ones. Everything else I think is >> right. >> We're in May. >> Didn't she already present us the finalized dashboard? >> Uh, do you consider it final?
>> Well, no. It's a work in progress, but it'll never be final. >> So maybe we set some goals inside of that because I know the last time we talked about at least getting a focus on those
three processes versus the entire list. I would like to put a goal on the ones that we prioritized. >> Okay. the three processes rather than the entire list. >> Yeah, we were talking about uh permitting. >> Oh, the um
>> the workflows. >> The workflows. >> So, that jumps back over to >> Is that a different topic here? >> Yeah, that's under um >> customer service. Okay, that's the third item there, right? >> June, July, August. Okay.
>> Workflows blow. Yeah, if that's the case, then I'm >> And she's already selected or we helped her select the ones that we want done first. >> Okay. So, we're good with the dashboard being on schedule. I do have a question on
speaking of the permitting process. the I know we have a consulting firm working on that and I it still seems like I don't know they should be done by now and if they're not done are there
hiccups that are causing this delay? Uh for example, have we paid them yet? >> We're in the process doing that. >> Mr. Radzac and Mr. uh Raando have finalized that so we should be they should be getting paid.
>> So is there any possibility that because they haven't been paid they've been dragging their feet and that's why it's >> I don't know that they've been dragging their feet but they haven't delivered the product. >> Okay. Get them paid and get that product. >> I expect getting that short.
>> Thank you Mr. Bart. >> Great. Anything? Anyone else? I just got a quick question >> on opportunity site when it says place arts building on commercial. >> I don't recall talking about that but you probably did. I just don't understand what what this little
statement says. Place arts center building on commercial >> under number two. >> Part of that came out of the initial discussion of what we were thinking about putting there and that was part of my
>> the green space part. >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. green space but right at commercial and what I envisioned was the build the facility they have in Castleberry. >> No, I get what I just I couldn't understand it but when you said that part I I I know exactly what you're talking about now.
>> Okay. But the other part of it is there's a possibility of a hotel go a small hotel going there >> um across the street and they were going to have their entrance be basically what the alley was. And if we continued that
straight across, that would be able to let us vacate commercial for that one block and combine the gravel lot with the first piece of the grass lot and make one parcel there.
>> Did we talk about that? >> Did we discuss that >> at the last work session or two? Okay. >> When um they talked about the last time we talked about the opportunity site. >> Okay. >> We had that discussion. >> Okay. And it was just it's really just a toss an idea out here is
>> you know this is a possibility of how things might be able to come together. >> So we finally know what who bought that corner and what they might be doing. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Do you want to talk to Brady? >> For a long time it was not disclosable.
>> That's good because I I still would be concerned if we tried to use Betty Smith for the art center. Uh yes, Commissioner Austin. Uh so it has been purchased. That was the former, if you'll recall, 10 years ago, it was a dialysis. >> Veny's Lot, >> correct? Veny's Lot is slated to be a 12
room uh little boutique hotel. It's actually in with Eileen and her staff. Uh they had a preapp about >> Did you say 12 room? >> Sorry, >> you said 12 room. >> Yes, sir. >> 12 rooms, one story >> boutique, but not like a super eight. >> Correct.
>> I think it's cute. >> I'm excited. And I know Eileen u and her staff are working with them on the elevations. Uh the early elevations I don't think it's out of line to say were uh less than uh we were less than enthusiastic about it, but they made
some very uh cool uh and I use that word liberally uh cool improvements to it. >> Okay. >> There was no way they wanted they would increase it to more than just 12 rooms. Uh I believe there were discussions with Eileen early on about a 24 uh room hotel
which would have a second story. There's some parking constraints there. The lot is a uh very limited lot. So >> they're looking at 12 as kind of a beta test for larger hotel projects to come downtown. >> All right. Anything else?
>> Yes. um under the planning department the work session I mean it's we're May June now I was wondering if we would be able to um schedule that or is that something that the commission may fail since we will possibly have three new members of the commission um that we
hold off until a little later >> I would not say we hold off on doing things >> okay well I would I I that was one of the things that I was hoping that we would really get done so we could better understand and have better communication
with the planning department because I know sometimes I might speak out of term because I don't know everything that all of the the rules and so I think more than just emailing Eileen or or or texting Tony um if we were able to have
a a work session or retreat to truly understand planning since that other than the utilities department I know for district one and the commercial district. Um it's it's it's really um important that we we get some un some understanding there and where we're
going in the future with permitting and development. >> So the current commission can beta test this training process and then maybe we can offer it up again if there are changes. >> Okay. So is it possible for us to get the planning department work session in June?
>> Okay. And um >> no pressure. And I think tied um number five um how do we define compatibility and are there comp plan changes we want to talk about into that same
work session the walk debate. You want to shout or come to the mic? Yeah, come to the mic. >> Yes, if you don't come up to the podium. So, we do. >> Um, you know, we were planning on June. There's several things. I mean, the commission's interested in planning 101,
but there are also um some things with the JPA that we do need to talk about and some things that the county has brought forth in relation to the JPA that I need to discuss with you. So, several things in June. There's the two work sessions. I don't plan on taking
them both up completely, but I do feel like there'll be a fair amount of time spent on planning in both of those meetings. Um, and then what was your other question that I came down for? >> I already forgot. >> Oh, I was because we had >> it was the compatibility. >> Yeah, we had talked about how do we
define compatibility and are there things we want to change or add to the comp plan? >> There absolutely are, but until they fix Senate Bill 180, I can't change the comp plan. >> Yeah. Okay. not to that because what it would require is um regulations that are more burdensome or more defined or could
be seen as more burdensome or >> whatever they want to say at the state level then it could be challenged so we can talk about it put together and then move forward. We are moving forward with a
version of the E which is the evaluation and appraisal report that we were supposed to do a year ago and haven't been able to. >> So we have put together through some research we've determined what the absolute minimum that we can do and there's like multiple parts when you
turn in the E. First part is identifying what's changed at the state level that we have to address. What we're working on addressing and then what other jurisdictions have been doing is identifying that those things have happened but we can't address them right now because they conflict with 180. So
we've put together something we're bringing to the planning and zoning commission in June. So you guys should see it shortly thereafter. But it is very very basic and it mostly just updates our um numbers because we're required to have 10 to 20 year projections. That's about all we've
changed, but we did put together the E and we're going to try and forward it and if it gets rejected, we'll find out where to go from there. But at least we're making best efforts to meet the requirements of the state to turn in our every seven-year update.
>> Just took me back to working on fit gap analyses. >> This is what we have. This is what they've changed. This is what we want to change. >> Right. But I unfortunately all we can note is that we acknowledge that this is has been a change at the state level but until this conflict doesn't exist we
can't make these changes. So we've written it in such a way that that that's addressed but I don't know what happens once we turn it in. But we will go through the process of the planning and zoning hearing one. We'll bring it for the transmitt hearing here and we will send it to the state and see what happens. And then um so between that and
then the planning 101, the GPA um and the information that we've been exchanging with the county, there is a number of things that we'll be bringing forth. We'll just try to spread them out over the next couple of work sessions. You're not over inundated with planning.
>> We don't mind actually being over inundated with things that help us all. Right. And we want to be able to hit the ground running when we get past Senate Bill 180. Yes. So we're not last in the line of many, many, many changes coming from all over the place.
>> It's hard too though because as they preempt us on things for us to say we're going to make these changes, we spend hours on putting it together and then they say we're taking that away from you, right? So it's it's one of those things where it's that balance of making sure we meet what they need but not overplanning because then we're just
taking resources that could be spent on other things that are assisting the the general, >> you know, the general public. >> Thanks. >> All right. Thank you. Anything else? >> Thank you for doing all of this, Mayor.
>> Um, I would like to at least highlight the ones I marked as >> ASAP >> and make sure they're on everybody's radar, Mr. Bone Clark. >> Um, the sewer system master plan, which I think is underway.
um the outsourcing for an ABM type contract and I don't know who that would fall under if that's public works >> that's defining energy efficiency
>> yes there's another one for energy efficiency that was commissioner Austin that was um more in terms of maintenance than energy efficiency is what you were looking to whatnot. >> Well, I I would like to
I would like to review the energy efficiency again. I I don't I don't know as if uh if I'm happy with the where that where that ended up at. Um number one. Number two, yes, maintenance. Absolutely.
Um and then the marina I I gave this to um assistant city manager for um just decide whether we want to do something or not. Um do we know if Julie's Miss Scoffield's
working on the civic center grant? Can Can I ask a question on opportunity site real quick? >> Mr. Radzac, did did you ever get any contact with that individual? I >> Yeah, I spoke to him.
>> Okay. >> And I got it out. >> Okay. We I did have somebody reach out to me um about opportunity site. says says that he can do a lot of what we've been discussing and and and give
us back what we what we would like to get back. Uh but but uh Craig and and Brady and others probably need to vet that for us. >> Good deal. Um, have we reviewed um the the plans
for what's going on with the Fort Melon to make sure it's not going to impact the botanical garden plan? >> Do you know, Robert? >> Do you know what I'm talking about? >> The existing construction. >> Yes. We wanted to make sure we weren't
doing anything that if they came back and started doing the botanical garden, they were going to undo what was just done. >> Yeah. Based on based on what we have seen from >> Okay.
Mr. Mayor, you said something about the civic center and Julia. >> Yeah. if she's working on that preservation grant and then um the who the contact cards. >> Okay. >> I'm sorry I didn't hear you. >> Elizabeth was doing that. >> Oh, okay. Well, then it'll be done,
right? >> Yeah. >> Um and then the budget I think is that all that sounds Yeah. Okay. So, I just want to highlight those and make sure we keep them on our radar
and then we'll do that with others as we go. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, the department's responsible and have all this and they know about it and >> I don't know if all the departments have it and I really think that um it's probably up to Mr. Bonapart to look and
see if I have >> put the right department because he would be the ones that he would be the one to direct them >> to do things. >> But okay, >> that was just my fault of of who would be the most likely
>> beneficiary. >> Yeah. Okay. All right. And so that brings us to budget reserves. >> Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of the city commission, Miss Lindsay would like to give you a presentation on the budget reserves.
There is a handout on the dis like financing 101. >> There we go. >> Oh, wow. And there's a test at the end, isn't there? >> All right. Short summer.
>> All right. Good afternoon, mayor and commissioners. Um, this is a presentation on um understanding city funds, what funds are used for, what restrictions we have, and the recommended um percentages of reserves for each type of fund or ones that
should have reserves. So, it's understanding city funds, why fund types matter, and how restrictions impact decision making. Not all city dollars are the same. Some are flexible, others are legally restricted.
Under Gazsby, um there are 11 governmental fund types. We use eight of them. Um we have four general fund funds. We have 18 special revenue funds, one debt service fund, four capital
project funds, seven enterprise funds, two fiduciary funds, two internal service funds, and two component unit funds. And we'll go over what each type are. The four general fund funds we have
these are accounts for all operational activities of the city not cate categorized in other funds i.e. police, fire, public works administration can be paid are paid out of these funds. Property taxes and sales taxes can be
used for most general government um purposes. It's the city's main checking account and the recommended reserves is a minimum of 25%. For bond ratings, the reserve um requirements to get good bond ratings
are 35 to 40%. For a trip AA rating, a double A rating, it's 25 to 40%. To get an A rating, you're looking at a 15 to 30% reserve and a BAA is 5 to 20%. This can this difference can be mean the
difference of um 200,000 to 450,000 in additional interest depending on the bond rating you get for a $10 million bond issue we had use the city does have 18 special revenue funds. These are used
for specific purposes. Um an example is lo local option gas tax. is used for transportation related expenses and can only be used for transportation related expenses. It cannot be used to pay for police, fire, public works. CDBG grant
funds, this is another example, can only be used for grant related expenses. These funds are generally legally restricted funds. The city has one debt service fund. It can only be used to repay debt.
We have four capital project funds. These are used to pay for replacement, maintenance of the city's capital, which includes land, equipment, buildings, infrastructure, software. Recommended reserve minimum of 20% of the total
capital. The total fixed asset capital for the general fund for the city is $310 million. That's a reserve of 62 million that is recommended. The city's reserve for
capital is around $8 million. Enterprise funds, we have seven. They're restricted for use of the activities created by the fund, considered to be businesslike, and are based on user fees and are self-supporting.
These funds do not rely on taxes and cannot be used to pay for general government services or vice versa. Fiduciary funds. The city has two. This these types of funds are money um held for others. Ours are restricted for
the pension activivities related to the city's fire and police pension and the city cannot use this money at all. We have two internal service funds. These are restricted for the city's self- insurance and are regulated by the
state and must maintain certain reserve levels in the health insurance fund and recommended levels in the operating fund. An annual actuary report is filed with the state to make sure the city is in compliance for the um operating insurance. The
recommendation is $40,000 for the first vehicle the city has in the general fund and 20,000 for each additional vehicle. That comes to about 7 million or so dollars. We have approximately 340 vehicles in the general fund. >> You have what?
>> Approximately 340 vehicles includes heavy substances. Um for the health insurance fund, the reserve requirement is one year's worth of um payments. And our payment for um our estimated budget for payment for
2026 is about 12 million component unit funds. We have two they are the CRA which is about to expire and the airport. The airport of course is not in part of a city's budget but it is
part of our financials. These funds are restricted for the use of the design of the component unit funds and currently we have the airport and CRA. So the next is a little activity real world scenarios. Can we use this money
for hire police offers officer? Can you use general fund, gas tax fund or utility fund? >> General fund. >> General. >> Fix a road. Can you use general fund, gas tax fund, utility fund? General
>> build a water plant. General fund, gas tax, and utility. >> Utility. Wait, on fix a road. >> Oh, fix a road. How is the gas tax fund used? >> You can use zero fund, too. >> Can we get a star? >> Yeah, absolutely.
>> Common question. Why can't we use the utility reserve to lower taxes? Because utility funds are legally and financially restricted to the utility system, they are not general government money. They operate under a user fee principle,
which is fairness. Residents pay utility bills for a specific service, not to fund general government financial. Oh, sorry, I went too far. Why do we um have fund balance policies? Funds balance policies ensure the city
remains financially stable, prepared for emergencies, and able to deliver consistent services even when revenue fluctuates. Financial stability, emergency preparedness, cash flow management um project credit rate protects credit
rating and long-term planning um i.e. public trust. Fund balance is our financial safety net. that keeps the city stable, prepared, and able to deliver services without disruption even when the unexpected happens. Policies are be best practices require
maintaining for emergencies and operations cash flow and rate stabilization timing. Some funds are collected in advance for future expenses. Why do some funds appear healthy that aren't available? because the money may be restricted,
committed or already spoken for. It looks available but it legally or practically is not. This is um our rating of types of um reserves. Um this is by Gazsby um rules
and regulations for finance. A healthy fund balance doesn't always mean that there's cash. It often reflects money that's restricted or already committed to future obligations. In our we have five um categories unassigned which
means it's available assigned committed restricted and nonendable. The higher you go up the um ladder the more flexible you have on using the reserve committed or assigned is set aside for
future project projects designated reserves or for specific purposes. Key takeaways. Restrictions are often legal, not optional. Money cannot be moved timely,
freely. Having money in one fund doesn't mean we can spend it anywhere. Good financial health depends on respecting funds integrity. And I just wanted to give you a snapshot of um the count the other cities in the
county. The reserve policies and their actual reserves in the general fund. Um Alamont Springs policy is 17% caps 25. Lake Mary's 25 winter springs is 25 o
17 and we're 14. The actual reserve and general um funds for these cities also 33% is 38% Lake Mary's 93% winter springs is 31%
35 longwood 18 and we are currently 17.9%. That's my presentation. Any questions? >> Yeah. What are the four general fund funds? Um, we have the main general fund. We have one that we we have three
others that are just separated to make it easy to account for. One's for the hurricane expenses and revenue when we have them. One's for recreation donations because they're restricted to just recreation. So, it's easier just to account for it in a different fund. And
the other one's for false alarm fees for fire. And it too is just easier to account for it in a different fund. Overall, they're combined when you look at financials, but um operationally we keep them separate in our system. >> Okay. And I would for the hurricane one,
it's do we >> do we have something sitting there or is that just where we run things through? >> Everything ends up in the main general fund. >> Okay. >> Just to make it easier to account for everything. Okay.
So when citizens review the budget, try to do their due diligence, which is good. Some will talk about all this reserves money we have and why aren't we spending it? And I think you pretty clearly said bond rating is a big deal there, >> right?
>> But we do not have enough funds in the general fund for research. >> Yeah. So we're already being conservative. We do not have enough capital funds. We do not currently have enough funds to
maintain our current capital. >> Okay. Could you make a list of the funds, the fund balance, and your recommendation for how much should be in there?
And then on the general fund, the 17.9% that excludes like the money we've set aside for the marina, >> correct? >> Okay. And on the fiduciary funds, I know we
have contracts with fire and police, uh, but do we make the decisions on how we fund those funds? the um police and hire pension boards. >> Their pension boards, too. >> So, I would like to think that they're looking at defined benefit pension plans
are more expensive than other options and maybe at some point they'll >> Well, they're closed. Both of those plans are closed >> currently. That's right. >> That's right. Okay. >> U Mr. Bonapart.
A lot of this presentation, excellent presentation. A lot of this presentation is what I keep asking us to put on social media to educate >> explain and educate our residents and and taxpayers.
Um there's a lot of this that can be used. >> Well, we first wanted to present it to the city commission to see what >> I know. >> In a different format, though. >> Yeah. because nobody wants to read a bunch of >> No. >> Yeah. >> Not all of it. I don't want all of it. >> Yeah. But that that key point, but I'm
saying in a different way that it captures you in the first five seconds of looking at it >> and it grabs people in attention on a third grade level. >> Yeah. This could be something where the first thing if we connect this all to property tax impacts. >> We show them the dollar bill and then we
have some links that say here's more information about >> how we fund things, what's flexible and what isn't. >> Exactly. I believe our dollar bill is on the floor and backwards. I'm not sure why, but my dollar bill. >> Oh, well, and I would think in my mind
the meat of this is on the website because with the teaser on on social media because, you know, if I want to dig into something, I'm not going to scroll through social media to see the post I missed. I'm aware of that. But
>> 99% will not go to that website. That's why >> the teaser piece is on social media. >> I don't even go to that website, >> but it's it's all about presentation. >> Yeah. >> You know, it it really is. And you can have a teaser, but it also can be very
inviting. But if it's just and and nothing against the pres because it's great, but this is the language that we speak. for people that don't speak this language. You give me a spreadsheet and I'm already like, okay, whatever. The fiduciary has already gotten me lost. You know what I mean? So, you know, it
it working along with communications, you know, I agree. Patrick, >> write that down. Please document that. >> Mr. the mayor members commission. I think it'll also be insightful when Cindy does prepare and provide you with
what Demir has asked in terms of what her recommendations are for the various reserves. >> Yeah, because I remember I mean the minimum 25% and we're below that already. So anybody who says we have too many too much in reserves is slightly
incorrect. They don't know our account our financial lady. >> Yeah, good stuff. >> Do you know off the top of your head what the capital replacement fund balances? >> It's about 8 million. >> 8 million.
Okay. I'll come talk to you because I was looking at um when I saw that I I went back to my um keeping track of it over time and I lost track of things in the um the audits. So I need you to point
things out to me again. >> You had said 8 million was the reserve in capital funds. Is that the same thing capital replacement or just >> Aren't there two capital funds though? >> 8 million is all of them together. What does that buy us? One fire truck these days.
>> Yeah. >> Two. >> Nothing else. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Anything else? >> Okay, Mr. Mayor. Um, before Cindy leaves, I'd like to say that Cindy and I in the final stages of preparing the proposed budget, and we
wanted to ask you if there's anything in particular that you want to see in the budget so that we can make sure that while we're finalizing it, it's already included and not then have to go into the budget later to take things out to add anything you'd like to see in it. How do we fund if we were going to paint
the chambers? >> Girl, look on my paper right there. >> Did you just write that down? >> I just wrote that painting the but I thought that was such a minor thing. I wouldn't bring it up in the budget, but I'm so over this. >> But we but it is a question and fixing the tech in here. Where does that come
from? And is it in the budget already or is it not? And if it's not, we can't fund it, >> right? It's not currently in the budget, but that was something you would use capital reserve or general fund resource. >> Okay. So, on a similar note, if we were going
to use money like that instead to help fund um trying to save the remaining 10 sloths at the zoo, could we do anything with general fund or anything else? Or would that have to
be a discretionary out of our own funds. >> We don't have a budget for that. >> Okay. So, that's up to us. >> Thanks. >> Anything else?
>> Going to get it painted. >> Well, I think weren't we getting a price for painting at >> supposed to have an estimate for the tech and the painting? >> Yeah. And that we thought tech was more important than >> the paint. Yeah, I think so.
>> I mean, the paint could be done in the weekend >> and we maybe we could scramble up some volunteers to do that. The reason I brought up the sloths is because, and I'm going to talk about this tonight. Naively, I was thinking I would sacrifice painting the chambers if we could put the money instead into helping
the sloth survive at the zoo, but we can't. I'm >> and I'm not against loss, but I'm not sure that's the right way to be spending tax money, but I have an idea for when you bring
that up. >> Okay. >> I'm always open to new ideas. Is um is maintenance of this facility um funded on a rotating schedule kind of like our roads
and repaving? Is there is there any kind of maintenance schedule for this building? New paint, new carpet, etc. That's all capital funds and so the department would ask for that during the CIP and it depends on whether it makes the test on what's the most important
item to do. >> What department? >> Um public work. >> Okay. >> So it's always going to be at the bottom >> just like our chair. >> That's why it's never been done. >> At the bottom. >> Yeah. As our chairs continue to rip. >> You said that. >> I said is it $100,000 to paint this wall? >> No.
>> Jesus. >> No. >> Maybe because it's not that important. I guess. >> No, it'll always be at the bottom because we'll never get everything else ahead of it done, which is why it hasn't been painted in 10 years or whatever.
>> We have this beautiful art in here now. That would look >> It's been painted recently. It's just been painted this ridiculous color recently, but within the last four years, I believe it was. >> Okay. >> That's what I keep trying to say, but nobody listens. Yes.
>> Well, yeah. Enough said. Move on >> again. So Cindy and I just want to check with you to see if there's any items in particular you'd like to see included in the budget as we prepare it. >> I would like to get some clarification
on the last CRA dollars because I would like to get some sidewalks to go through the botanical gardens. Chris, I want to talk to you about that. You and Robert. Um, I know that there's a way that we can do that and I would like to have a slow yes instead of a fast no, but to find out legally how a few of those
dollars could go into uh the green space, >> but that's not a budget item, right? >> We were talking money. So, >> we're looking at the the 2027 budget. Well, I had a request from a citizen
today for just simple restriping of the uh parking lot at Grove View Park. Um but uh then I read and that uh because of the age of the the aggregate or whatever it's called
that's that the surface um that painting it would not be beneficial at this time because we need to replace the parking lot itself. Um, I I I don't want to be too critical
here, but we have a lot of aging pieces and parts of our city that we are not taking care of before we talk about some of this other cute stuff. Um, and
so I don't know what the cost of redoing that parking lot is. Robert ballpark $40,000. Um, and and I believe what he said was it's been on the CIP and it continues to get kicked down the road. And that's just one example. There's
many other examples on that list that we just keep kicking down the road every year. >> I've said that for for years. We that >> I just want us to be mindful of that. the the years that things are laid out for are are not realistic except in a
couple of departments it's >> we don't have money for this year so we put it next year >> comes the year after >> so keeps getting moved >> we also were talking about trying to cut back this year and maybe say save a cent
or two on a millillage um I just want to be I want us just to be mindful ful of that as we as we go down this path. What are our absolute needs
versus what are our wants? Um and that's just my two cents. >> Well, yeah. And if we're looking at the whole exercise of taking something off the millillage, >> then the chambers has to be in the want, not the need. >> Yeah, >> I get that.
say the total capital budget needs that the directors have requested. Do you remember offh hand what that was? >> I do not, but if they um look at last year's budget um almost everything that was put into 2027 on that um schedule
for the needs for 2026 that did not get underneath most of it is not new items. Most of it is >> and some of it is critical. I would not say all of it is, but some of it is is critical.
>> And the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one. >> Mr. Spark, >> is it? >> Yeah, Mr. Spark. But it is a concern because the directors will go through and provide
the capital improvement budgets that they need. And unfortunately, we can only fund very little of it year after year after year. >> If we can get a grant or a donation for the paint in here, will that work?
Cindy, are we allowed to do that? >> I don't think legally governments are allowed to ask for donations. Oh, definitely not. >> Yeah, >> cuz this don't make no sense. >> It's not important corporate sponsor. >> It's not important enough for a grant. I mean, when you when you think when you
look at it on on YouTube, it's kind of painful to watch, but if you change just small things like changing the color, like I pay more attention to Simino County Board of County Commissioners um
online thing because it's not it number one, it's closer. They have a better technology. Um you can scroll to what items are on the agenda. Of course, we don't have that, but we're trying to get people more engaged, people more educated so that they, you know, better
understand what's going on. And then also, we have people who have brilliant artwork that is displayed in here. And, you know, >> well, >> yep. >> I would donate it myself. >> Just one caveat, remember, Simino County
has their own TV network, >> right? So they they're they're a real leap ahead of what we're what what we're we're doing. >> Right. I'm trying to compare to to them. I'm just saying it's easier to watch and we are always talking about how we want
the community to be more engaged. Small things. I mean we have marketing folks that will tell you you know how you grasp people attention. >> You know people do watch our the our YouTube based on what's being talked
about and what's happening. Well, it it doesn't it doesn't cost anything to get an estimate on >> on painting these walls. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah, we're going to get that decided what to do next. >> You're going to get that, Commissioner
Thomas, and then we will discuss it further. >> Well, if we all went to all these counto meetings at all the other cities and their city halls, and I keep coming back here and thinking we could do just we're the best city. We need to look
like it and not pay for it. Where are all my volunteers? >> Well, I'm >> Commissioner Wiggins has a whole group of kids there that would probably love to do some painting. >> They got the benefit for the paint. >> Yeah. >> Well, that's what the estimate will
break down hopefully. Labor versus materials. >> Okay. um items for budget. Um you we talked about the solar, but we'd
really like to get solar for free, not something in the budget, >> right? >> Um if we're doing the civic center, I'm not sure if we need match for that if we get a grant for that. you know, and I'm sorry with
um Commissioner Austin um about focusing on and I've always pushed this, focusing on the maintenance and keeping things up. So,
right. Anything else on budget or funds. Okay. Then any regular meeting items to discuss? Staff didn't identify. >> Okay. Um, does anybody have any questions that they want to bring up now
on uh waste pro or we want to wait until tonight? Okay. We haven't had any real discussion about I mean as much as we love Waste Pro and they've been doing a fabulous job
whether or not we would open it up to bids now or wait till the end of the actual our final extension. >> We sort of had that conversation >> at the beginning of the process when we told staff to go ahead and prepare the extension.
>> Yeah. >> So we did talk about it. Okay, >> we agreed that we we were happy enough with Waste Pro and and feared the unknown enough that we would prefer to go with the um known entity one more time. >> Okay, thanks for the reminder. Good to go.
>> I think it is important to point out that this is the last renewal next time, >> right? >> We're not going to have any choice. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, are we discussing stuff now or No, >> if there's anything on the regular agenda that you want to discuss.
>> It's not on the agenda. It >> It's going to have to be real real quick. >> Okay. I'll get to you. >> Okay. >> Um, any briefing items? >> Okay. All right. Commissioner Austin, see how quick that was? Oh, wait. City, did you have any comments?
>> Get city manager comments. Okay. Mr. Austin, uh, I I know we already approved this event and we had a a a good discussion about it. We have golf cart, whatever it's called, >> golf cart party world, whatever.
>> Golf cart world. >> Um, Victoria, get you. >> We have we have a serious uh a serious problem on our hands. Uh, we have to change the the policy to be able to do the weekend pass
>> to make do weekend passes, but we can still they can still do the the regular pass. Chief, can you come down and help me? Because we've made this like everything else, we've made it extremely difficult and I
just >> I don't think, >> like I said last time, >> I don't think we're making it difficult. Um, we're just saying instead of doing a weekend pass, get get a pass for the whole year for not much more money for 25 bucks >> and do the same process
that that we already have in place. If we want to change that, and I've had this conversation with the chief, >> we would have to do an or a change to the ordinance >> and come up >> and come up with what what it looks like. But it would still
be I that you would you would pay some fee and you would still get your golf cart inspected to get your pass because I don't think we want to say you can come in for the weekend and not have it inspected and get a pass when we make
our residents get theirs inspected. So, >> but we don't enforce it, mayor. We don't even enforce our current system. I'll just chime in slightly. The way the ordinance is written prior to me being here,
it sets a requirement as to who can operate the path that's required, registration that's required. It does not allow for a deviation. Um there may have been some changes that could have or should have been added to this
ordinance to allow for some deviation, but it did not. The de the ordinance even goes as far as to make it a violation if you're not registered, if you have not gone through that process. The enforcement side is absolutely
possibly accurate, but is a different discussion. And so based upon the way that the ordinance is written, that would have to be adhered to. I have been in conversations with Miss Brooks and the chief to see what we can formulate to make sure that this um event does go
forth and that we can come up with something creative based upon the language of the ordinance to move it forward to make sure we're not creating a subgap category of individuals who are operating golf carts just during this weekend or during any other time. Chief,
>> does that accurately reflect? >> That's that's correct. And one of the things that you know Jennifer had put to put together as well is the modified the um the agenda is that when I explained to the the mayor the smart thing is is to stick with the ordinance and the reason why is that it's great that
you're going to give somebody an opportunity to do it for one day but it's smart on our on our behalf. One we know who's on our streets whether we enforce it completely or not. It gives us an opportunity to know who is driving on our streets.
period. >> Uh the smart thing for somebody to do is you're going to do it for one day and then who knows what that individual makes the decision go like, you know what, I'm gonna go try to do it and see if I get caught or not. Smart thing for the city to do is just do the do it for
a year. We have already kind of agreed that we will set aside the time to meet with the the person who wants to do this or put it on, Dan Ping or whomever else, and work with them to try to get the golf carts registered. Once they're registered for an entire year, you can
come back at any time you want to through the entire year. It's not just for that weekend. What that also does for us, it creates a database so that that that individual gets into an accident and he has a paper for for one single day, he disappears. At least this
way we can track something does occur. We can track who the individuals are. We know who are on our street. I mean, that's one of the major issues with regards to the golf carts. And I think that was the reason why the ordinance was written the way it was. >> But >> so we're we're willing to work with them. >> But you're you're completely missing my
point. We have tons of golf carts driving on our streets now that are not registered. You do not know who's driving. You do not know the carts. That is not that is not an accurate statement. >> And and I would agree with you that there are golf carts that are out there
that are operation operating illegally. But I would say is, do you want us to truly completely enforce every golf cart? Because that would require us to anytime we see one, we're going to stop it. And if they don't have that tag, they're going to get a citation. And the
next thing that's going to happen, you're going to have these same people coming up here yelling and screaming at you that we're stopping them because we're enforcing the ordinance. Well, we're trying to make sure that we are the friendly city, that we have people have the opportunity to come in, but the
ordinance states that we are supposed to do it in this manner. If you want to deviate from that, the commission has every opportunity to do that and amend what the ordinance says. That's at the discretion of the uh commission. But if you're asking the police department, what should we do? My recommendation is
is that we charge everybody and treat everybody equally. Anybody who has a golf cart on our street, they have to be registered. They have it for an entire year for 25 bucks instead of a onetime fee of 10. We don't want to shut this down. We want everybody to fall in line.
That's all. >> But, uh, Madam Attorney, this has been my complaint since I got up here, and you haven't had the joy of hearing it for 10 years. Um, we we create ordinances. we
create uh policies with no teeth. Um and so that is my point here. Uh what is the teeth? Um and so a one day pass,
a weekend pass um seemed like seemed like a a much better idea. I don't even know how when we when we struggle to do the renewals every year timely, efficiently, fast.
How do we even how do we even handle a couple of hundred out of town guests and get them registered fast and and and efficiently and get them on the street with their fancy little sticker? I I don't I just don't know how this comes
together. We can't we we struggle taking money uh digitally. We struggle. We just have so many struggles with this program already. How are we going to get this handled and
get these little stickers on visitors in July? Well, you you kind of hit on a point, sir. If we're struggling with that, why would we want to compound an issue that's already there? If we're trying to make sure that we keep our streets as safe as possible, that we have the ability to track the
individuals if something does occur, giving somebody a one-day pass is does absolutely nothing for us. Making sure that our streets are are taken care of. We have an ordinance that's in place. Following that ordinance is something that you all agreed to. And if there's going to be amendment, then that is
completely up to the commission. But we have set something aside to to to see how we can assist those individuals so that this program or this event can take place. They have an opportunity to use that golf cart for more than one event. And as you indicated, there may be
individuals who will just try to assist them to wait until they get caught. I can assure you after this conversation, sir, we will make sure that we are enforcing every golf cart that's out there. Um, now
>> people may come in and start complaining, but I just want to make sure that that is the direction that you're telling us to go in. Well, I mean, >> well, either that or what Commissioner Austin is suggesting about the just give them a pass for this one event and not
add to what already exists because I I think you're both making good points that and I've mentioned this to you as well, Chief, that I would like to make sure that you have the ability to track everybody in case there are accidents. But then to hear you say that, well, you
know, we're really not going out and arresting every single person who doesn't have a tag and that Commissioner Austin is saying there are a lot of them. Um, just seems like it's going to make it more difficult to add more carts that you're going to have to go and site.
It's This is a dilemma. >> But Commissioner Arth, are you suggesting that the the one day pass would not require an inspection? I thought that was what they originally had said and now now we've backtracked to doing an inspection and paying a $25
fee. I don't know how that gets done. >> My understanding and chief please correct me if I'm wrong. My understanding is whether it was a one-day pass or annual pass, the same inspections were going to occur. >> It would be the same. >> It's just the issue of creating a
subcategory pass. That is the issue because there is no subcategory pass via the ordinance. >> Correct. >> So the same process, it's just you're getting an annual pass instead of a weekend pass. >> Correct. And as U Jennifer just told me
again in my ear is that we would set up an opportunity for the individuals to come in at a spec specific time to make sure that those cards get done. Uh and and I explained to the mayor, look, to make this happen, I will have our guys
available for an entire week that Monday through Friday do during business hours, they can truck their uh carts in whether it's here or at city at the police department to make sure that they're going to get inspected. I mean, we we're we're attempting to bend over backwards to make sure that this takes place.
We're offering them to do it for $25, which means that they can use it anytime, multiple times instead of one single day event or a day and a half event. >> And it will be clearly communicated to them ahead of time and enough ahead of time. So, Jennifer, you and the team,
you're all going to make sure that everybody who's interested in this event knows they need to do this and they get a deadline and snooze, you lose. I I don't think may
maybe we're not seeing uh the issue the same. People will actually come into town that day with uh with vehicle and trailer pulling their cart and park somewhere in the city and take that cart
off that trailer and cart around that day or that weekend. That is the person I'm concerned about. How do we get them their $25 pass and their fancy sticker on the day of? That is what I'm talking about.
>> Friend told them about it and they haven't seen any social media about what the process is. >> Sir, it is a weekendl long event. The festivities will begin on Friday and we will have licensing available um Friday until noon. uh payment will be accepted
here at city hall and and all all day Thursday, but they could even bring it in Tuesday. It's going to be a year-long pass, >> but they still have to know about the process. >> Hopefully, these people will come and trailer them and bring them over more often between now and then. That's the
one benefit of doing an annual pass. >> Now that they've invested it, they've got the annual pass, maybe they'll come back. Mhm. >> So, but my understanding is we would set up an inspection station on Saturday. >> We could as long as we have someone to take the money and we'll work with
whomever to make it happen. Again, this is an opportunity if the idea is to have people come into our city and enjoy the city. We want them to come for more than two days. Kind of the goal is you want them to come here every weekend. They have an opportunity to enjoy our city
and be downtown. So the idea of just saying we're going to give you a pass for one day. It makes, and this is just me, makes absolutely no sense. If I'm going to spend $10, I'm supposed to spend 25 and I can come and go as often as I want to. Whether it's a Monday, Tuesday, or Saturday, or Sunday. What
that bid does is for me. If I'm someone who wants to come in, I want to come in whenever I want to. >> Yeah. >> Not just for one specific two-day weekend. >> Yeah. Because a lot of us pass for a year. >> We've paid I've paid 25 for a national park pass. Am I going to get to every national park? No.
>> So, we're willing to try to work with the promoter to try to make sure that this happens for the $25. We'll schedule it. We'll put the information out. I mean, we'll push it through our social media. We'll have the city push it through the social media. I'm pretty sure that Main Street will push the
information out to set the dates and times and have the individuals come in and then from that point, they can come into town as much as they actually abs as much as they want to. I mean, the goal, I would think, is to bring the economy and economics to the city more
than just for two days. >> You just sent me down a semi- rabbit hole of talking during our main street meetings about banners and whether or not we would have a banner for something like this with maybe a QR code, more
information, go here, and that QR code could link them to something that includes that process. >> Okay. So, my understanding from talking to Dan and talking to the chief and what I thought I heard Dan say at our last meeting or at the meeting when we approved this was he had always intended
there be a charge and he had always intended there would be an inspection. >> That's good. That's consistent. My understanding was what they wanted to do was you would register on their website and you could
pay for your um permit there and they would have to then they would pay write a check to the city for all of those permits. They would have a receipt that would get them to an inspection site and then they would be inspected. That's all really nice ideas, but we
would have to get with finance about Main Street accepting a code and an ordinance fee and then reimbursing us. That gets very complicated and we had not um the
event starts on Friday and we had not um included in the cost of having a water department employee available to accept payments. The police department does not accept payments. Um, but the water department does for that. So, but we
would have to have an employee um available that we can uh to do it. But we we can make that a viable option. It just hasn't been um put into the cost yet. >> Okay. Well, I think it it works if we can make it work legally. It works to
allow them to accept the payment and then they have something when they get here. and then have Main Street write us one check for all the permits. >> We can work with finance to talk about procedurally how it's done and the
format of it all and mayor knowing what your uh or at least what the goal is. We we'll work with finance to figure out what's the most efficient way to get this done. Yeah, but I would agree. If you have a bunch of people coming in and they can't get their permit until
they've gotten in, then I've already driven through your city without a permit. Um, well, my my only reason for bringing this up tonight, and Chief's Chief's mad at me, and that's fine.
>> Um, was it if we had to make an ordinance change, we got to get that going. >> We need to get that going. That's the only reason I wanted to bring this up tonight. If we have to change the ordinance for this one weekend, we got to get it done. We only have two meetings left.
>> Again, I only want to caution you, make that ordinance change for this one weekend. That's not just a change for this weekend. That is a permanent change to the ordinance. And so, anyone else who comes up now is going to say, "Well, why should I buy a sticker and I live
here as a resident? I can just get one for a weekend. >> So I just caution you caution the commission on making a sudden change for one individual or one event because once you make that change in the ordinance,
you open up Pandora's box for anyone and everyone else who decides that they want something special dealing with golf carts anytime they want to do it. I would rather do our best to make this work under the current ordinance. >> I agree. >> Before changing the ordinance
>> and because I haven't heard a change to the ordinance that makes the process any different than what we have to do anyway. >> Well, are we changing our expectation on how much time chief and his staff spend out there citing people who don't have
tax? Again, if we know when people are coming, they can call us, set up an appointment, they can come to the police station. We'll set down with them. They can come here, make their payment, bring it to the police station. We're good to go. We will make we will do our best to make this happen for the people who want
to do it within the but we have to have something that works through the registration for the event. We're planning on bringing it back to you at the next commission meeting and they'll have more than a month to um register and get the advertising out
there on how to do it. >> Okay. >> There shouldn't be I don't anticipate any problems with >> Are you cautiously optimistic or optimistic? >> What about me? >> No, I think if I want to take my golf cart, if I'm going to load it up and take it somewhere, I'm going to find out
what to do it and there'll be a QR code taking them to a full explanation. Well, you're a good ethical citizen. >> Our website already has the information. I think you'll find this year the process has been significantly better. I think >> two years ago, we're not going to ever
repeat that again. It's it's the system. >> I hear locker uh warn people all the time. I'm watching you get that fixed. >> Okay, good. and it a chief, you know, golf cart uh enforcement is great, but we're we're behind the
eightball and other traffic enforcement, too. So, >> yeah, it >> I know that's the thing. We don't want to change >> I know it's down the priority list, but my point is >> this is an ordinance. So, we have that >> if we're not going to enforce the rules, we shouldn't have the rules, right?
>> Well, you get out there and do a couple, maybe word will get out and >> Well, and they have because I've gotten the complaints. >> Oh, okay. Good. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. It's 6:25. Anyone else have anything they need to discuss? >> Sir, >> at this time what?
>> Well, I'm at the microphone if I may. >> I had a conversation with Mr. Ball this afternoon. Oh, that >> that um uh he has an opportunity to rent his uh property, lease his property uh for a nice little sum of money for
firework sales. the fireworks sales um is usually held at the mall and so it's a repeat customer to Sanford that will not be able to do it at that property and this is um a secondary location that he'd like to do both for July 4th as
well as New Year's Eve and um Mr. Ball could not be here tonight and he asked me to um ask for your um consideration. There's two curb cutouts from Reinhardt and there's one from Oregon. There's even a temporary light pole. The ground
is flat. It's solid. >> It's the same site they do Christmas trees at >> the Christmas tree sales. >> Flat. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Not very flat, >> but we >> we may be able to find >> I think several of us heard from Mr. B.
>> Yeah. I mean, are we selling enough fireworks that everybody can shoot them off in their backyards and disturb all our dogs? probably probably along with you know four or five other >> speaking of enforcement allows that
>> I know that's one of the approved holidays to do it. >> All right, we're adjourned. >> Did you know that? >> Yeah, too many holidays. Huh? >> My dogs. I think we have too many holidays. Oh, yeah. Part: 2
Nope. No. I'm ready when you are. >> We will move the gavvel just a little bit and call the medium of Sanford City Commission uh for Monday, May 11th, 2026 to order. Uh first order of business is our um legislative prayer by offered by
Pastor Todd of the Sanford Police Department. >> Good evening everyone. Would you please stand with me? Let's pray together. Dearly Father, I want to thank you for this good day that you've given us. I want to thank you for the opportunity that we have to come to
this meeting tonight. Lord, I I couldn't I was reminded on the way here tonight that we're so blessed to be able to participate in an evening such as this, Lord, where we have the opportunity to discuss and to strategize about what's
next for our community. Lord, thank you that we live in a country that this is allowed and we're grateful for that. I pray for this meeting tonight, Father, that you would guide it and direct it. I pray, Father, uh, blessings upon it. Lord, I I want to pray especially
tonight for uh, our commissioners and our city manager. Lord, I pray that as they lead us, that you would give them insight, that you would give them strategic opportunities and thoughts that will lead us as a city into the places that
you would have us to go. Lord, I thank you for that. I thank you for the again for the chance that we have to be here tonight. And I pray all of these things in your name. Amen. >> Amen. >> Please remain standing. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic
for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you, pastor. >> Thank you, pastor. >> Okay, we >> we have much to celebrate tonight. And so, we're going to start with um Seminal
High School's order polo team. I'm going to ask Commissioner Austin come out with me. We can get the coach and girls to come on up. And I'm going to ask Commissioner Austin to read this proclamation. Good evening.
Whereas the Simino High School girls water polo team has achieved an extraordinary and historic accomplishment during the 2026 season, finishing with a perfect 31-0 record. >> Woo! >> And securing the FHSAA state
championship on Sat on Saturday, April 25th. And whereas this remarkable achievement marks the team's second undefeated state championship season. Where am I? Ryan in the past three
years, further solidifying their place among the most elite high school athletics. And whereas across both regular season and postseason play, the team completed a total of 800 minutes of game time and
trailed for only one minute and 10 seconds. What did you do to cause that, Ryan? >> Where was I, >> Patrick? >> A testament to their >> consistency, discipline, and exceptional
level of performance. And I had to put all these wherees in here. And whereas over the past three seasons, Simma High School girls water polo team has compiled an outstanding overall record of 92 and two, equally in the number of losses with state championship victories
during that time, further underscoring their sustained excellence and competitive dominance. And whereas the city of Sanford's Larry A Dale Aquatic Center has served as a long-standing home and training facility for the team,
providing a vital resource that has supported the development and success of student athletes pursuing excellence in swimming and water polo. And whereas the achievements of this team reflect not only athletic excellence but also the
dedication, teamwork, leadership and sport sportsmanship of the student athletes, coaches, families and supporters who have contributed to this historic success. Now therefore, I, Art Woodruff, that guy me,
>> hereby recognize and commend the 2026 Semino High School girls water polo team for their undefeated state championship season. do hereby officially proclaim Monday, May 11th as Seminal High School
Girls Water Polo Championship Day in the city of Sanford and encourage all citizens, city government officials, and employees to recognize and celebrate this achievement. >> Now, I'll add one other one other thing. Uh, Coach Aerson has led both the boys
and the girls state uh, water polo teams to the state championship finals three years in a row. The first school ever in the state of Florida to uh, mark that achievement. Am I wrong? >> No, you're correct. >> Yeah.
>> Congratulations. Thank you. >> How about your assistant? >> Don't give him the mic. Okay. How about the captain? >> Who's the captain? >> You want to say anything? >> I don't like talking. >> Yeah, I've got you there.
with the curly hair. I can't see you. Thank you. >> There we go. >> I know you guys are not comfortable. I appreciate your effort. I'm going to welcome you. Next, I'd like to invite uh Virginia Poe
to come forward. >> There she is. >> Man, it's hot. >> Have to read that talk. We should have brought those bands down here. >> That's what I said. >> Otter carried it. >> Huh?
>> Virginia is going to um make a presentation on behalf of our um public art commission. >> Good evening. I'm Virginia Poe. I'm chair of the city of Sanford's public art commission. We put art in chambers. We put art in the lobby. We put art all
over Sanford. Before I introduce the art in chambers artist photographer, I want to mention that in the hallway we have our after hours exhibition of photography and art
of the employees of the city. We moved it from a different location and I'm really pleased because it really showcases it. This is not a temporary exhibition. This is ongoing and we're hoping that it encourages other
employees to come forward when we ask. Now, the beautiful photography you see on the wall here is by photographer artist Reg Garner. Re will give us a few words about his work. And thank you very
much for letting us put this art in the chambers. Art enriches everyone. Thank you, Virginia. Thank you for that introduction. Uh thank you for the commissioners and mayor for being able to hang my my pictures in the uh in this
space. It is truly u an honor for me to have my pictures in here. I call this exhibit hidden Florida. All of these pictures were taken within the 25 m 25 mile radius of Stanford. >> All of them.
Okay. Go look this way or that way or that way. Okay. Sorry. All of these photos were taken in Simol County, my home. I grew up in Sanford. I'm a fourth generation native Floridaian. My mother and my father, my
mother's here today, by the way, and uh uh it's also born in Sanford. My grandparents, all of my great-grandparents, and all of my grandparents on my mother and father's side moved to Sanford, Florida between
1910 and 1915, over a hundred years ago. >> My grandmother had two beauty shops in downtown Sanford, >> one on Second Street behind Otterbox and the second in the lobby of the Mayfair Hotel back in the 1950s, I believe.
>> Wow. And my grandfather, my mother's father, was actually the director of parks and recreation for Sanford, Florida in 1960 where he retired. He's also responsible
for building many of the parks in Sanford. He built the duck pond behind the museum and um he actually has a park named after him. The James Dunn Park off of Melville was my grandfather. >> Wow. So I'm truly a son of Sanford.
>> Yes, you are. >> And it is truly an honor to have my work here uh for this today and for this time. So I'm a photographer. I lived in Sanford until a year ago and I must
confess I moved to the St. John's River and I live I retired um I sold the family business two years ago. Um I got married. I uh and I bought a house on the St. John's River in Geneva where I live and I run boat tours for
photographers. So every day almost every day I'm on the St. John's River. Every morning I see the sunrise. This morning I saw 12 bald eagles, about six alligators. I heard a turkey, an owl, and a bunch of other things. And I just
walk out my backyard and go in my boat. And I I um today I run about a 100 miles of the St. John's River. my boat of the so that's about a third of the 310 miles and I live about in the middle about uh in the middle of the St. John's River of
the 310 miles. And um I have to tell you just a real quick funny story. My grandfather lived on 16th Street and he was always a fisherman. Both my grandfathers were fishermen and hunters and taught me how to run the river, how to hike and camp. But my grandfather Garner lived on 16th Street and he'd be
out he'd be out fishing and he'd come home and he'd be cleaning his fish and a neighbor or somebody come over and said, "Hey Louis, where'd you catch those fish?" And my granddaddy didn't want to tell his favorite fishing hole. And he would always have the same answer. Oh, I caught him between Lake Harney and the White Hair Bridge. And most people would
just look at him and say, "Oh, yeah. I know. I know where that is." But most people don't know. And that's about 100 miles apart. Most people know where Lake Harney is. >> But the White Hair Bridge is the highway 44 that goes across the St. John's River
into Dand. And I run today my boat from Lake Harney to the White Hair Bridge. Right. >> And I got my captain's license through the US Coast Guard about 5 years ago because I had many photographers that wanted to come out and and um they wanted to me to show them where to take these pictures. And I said, "Well, you
have to have a boat and you have to know where to go because there's some, you know, pretty little small areas that I go to, remote places." And that's why I came up with the name Hidden Florida. This exhibit um originally was um displayed about five or six years ago in
the um Orlando City Hall in the Mayor's Gallery and then it moved from there. It went to the um the Orange County Commissioner's Chamber and it hung in there for about a year and um and several other places. But I'm I think I
am most proud to it to be here in my home in Sanford. Yeah. >> So, >> anyway, that's my story. These are my pictures. Um, you can find me mostly on Facebook. My website's down right now. If anybody's interested, I have a a QR
code back there with my plaque. You can scan it. It gives you all my information about my photography and my my photo tours on the St. John's River. And uh, thank you very much. >> Thank you, thank you for sharing. >> I think I'm going to commission him to do some closing. I'd like to just
mention you might see a few hangers. He is waiting for some frames, but we'll have a few more pieces up in where the hangers are. Thank you again very much. >> Thank you, Virginia. >> Thank you. >> Re does extraordinary work. I just have to say that. I am a huge fan of your
work. Thank you. >> Good. >> Great. Um, our next presentation is excellence in government communications and I believe Mary Ellen is going to do that presentation. >> Yes. Uh Lisa sends her regards. She is unable to speak with you guys this evening. And I mean unable a little more
literal than we'd all like. Um so we hope she feels better soon. So you guys get me tonight. Uh two weeks ago, Lisa attended the uh MCA, the uh Federal Florida Municipal Communication Association Conference in Clearwater, Florida, where for the fourth
consecutive year, Stanford was awarded an certificate of excellence in communication. This award is not just to the communications office here in city hall. It is to our partners in the fire department as well as the police department with our PIOS who also go out of their way. It's also to all of you
who go to communicate with our constituents and our citizens here in Sanford. This is not only a celebration of the past year of excellence communication using the tools available to us. It's also a rededication of our commitment to do the same here in this next year. Um in addition, we are proud
to also present to you guys this award. This is a 2026 award of excellence in podcasting for the Sanford Sound Stage >> which I know Commissioner Thomas has attended a few sessions. Uh you guys are welcome anytime we are hosting them to join us as well. Um it is a inspired off
NPR's tiny office and we bring in local artists into Lisa's office and they play a set. Uh I got my chance to attend my first one a few weeks ago. It's a great opportunity, great energy, a really fun way to end a day at the office by listening to some live local music. Um,
so it is our honor to present these awards to you guys as the city commission and thank you guys for the opportunity to attend not only this conference but last year we last week we also attended the government social media conference in New Orleans where we got to learn from not only some fellow
Floridaians like we did the week before but from across the nation and even Canada where we got to learn what they're doing and how we can improve our social media and how we share our messages with the city of Sanford. So, we are looking forward to sharing what we learned with not only you guys, but with our constituents as well. So, thank
you guys. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Well done, Mary Ellis. >> And the next sound stage is a band that does Santana, one of my favorite bands ever. >> I'll see you there. >> When? Commissioner Thomas?
>> Uh, Thursday, two weeks from Thursday. Mary Ellen, when's the next sound stage? Two weeks from Thursday or next Thursday? >> Two weeks, I believe. >> Yeah, I think so. >> I think you're right. >> Okay. Next, we have a proclamation for
Florida uh emancipation day. And I believe we have some members of the Georgetown steering team. at least one member of the Georgetown steering team, two members, three members,
all of whom are city employees. >> Okay. And um whereas the Emancipation Pro >> Oh. Oh. Whereas the Emancipation Proclamation
was issued September 22, 1862 by President Abraham Lincoln and became effective January 1, 1863, declaring that all persons held as slaves within the rebellious states shall be then, then forth, and forever free. And whereas the Emancipation Proclamation
was enforced as Union armies took control of each state of the Confederacy, moving south and west from Appamatics, Virginia. And whereas Union Brigider General General Edward M. Mcook arrived in Tallahassee on May 20, 1865
and announced the Emancipation Proclamation on the steps of the Kn House and May 20 is now recognized as Florida Emancipation Day. And whereas the Emancipation Proclamation helped lead to the adoption on December 18, 1865 of the 13th Amendment to the United
States Constitution, which ended slavery in all of the United States. And whereas the Georgetown steering team is hosting Sanford's fifth annual Florida Emancipation Day celebration and Bicycita Bike Shop is holding its fifth annual ride to freedom on May 16, 2026
at historic Hopper Academy to commemor commemorate this historic event and to share the unique history and folklore of the Georgetown neighborhood. And whereas although the Emancipation Proclamation and 13th Amendment were crucial steps in advancing the ideal of our Declaration
of Independence, that all of us are created equal, and despite many steps of progress in the past 164 years, we are constantly reminded we still have work to do. And whereas the government and the people of the city of Sanford are committed to working together for equity, equality, and inclusion for all
members of our community, recognizing that our history does not define our future. Now therefore, IR Woodruff, by the virtue of the authority vested in me as the mayor of the city of Sanford, Florida, do hereby officially proclaim May 20, 2026 is Florida Emancipation Day.
>> Say something about the M >> you're the only one that doesn't step back to just invite everyone to come out Saturday from 9 to 2 at Hopper Academy and learn more about Emancipation Day and get to know about the history of
Hopper and the neighborhood. >> It's 9 to 2, not 10 to 2. >> 10 to 10 to >> want to make sure I'm there on time. >> Thank you. Don't go too far, Julie. >> She didn't hear me. Julie, you're up again along.
>> Is the historic trust coming down? >> Okay, great. So, these are members and past members of our historic preservation board. Okay. >> Well, I'm going to clap because it's my favorite group. >> Yes. >> There is a historic group right here.
trying to decide where to research. Whereas historic preservation has proven to be an effective tool for revitalizing neighborhoods, fostering local pride, and maintaining community character while enhancing livability.
Whereas now more than ever, historic preservation is proving to be a relevant platform through which the histories and stories of all Sanford's residents can be preserved and is the goal of the city to be intentional in preserving the neighborhoods and cultures that represent all our diverse citizens. And
whereas in honor of the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, this year's National Historic Preservation Month theme is all people are created equal, celebrating the places that bring the Declaration's most powerful promise to life and the pres preservationists making sure those
places endure. And whereas the se city is celebrating 50 years of historic preservation success, a beginning marked by the listing of the downtown commercial district on the national register of historic places in 1976 and move forward with shared vision, civic
engagement, special events, neighbors transforming unloved buildings into beautiful homes and a clear understanding that historic downtown is an economic asset. Now therefore, I Art Woodruff, by the virtue of the authority vested in me as the mayor of the city of Sford, Florida, do hereby proclaim 2020
May 2026 is National Historic Preservation Month and call upon the people of the city of Sanford to join their fellow citizens across the United States in recognizing and participating in this special observance. That's right. Same age class group. We
cannot do without. Historic. >> Next, we have the Sanford Historic Press. >> Hello everyone. Thank you for letting us present to you this evening. Um, we just wanted to share with you guys our historic preservation awards that were
awarded this year. These really fancy plaques that you'll see around town. um of course. Um but we'll go through and I'll tell you about our awards. Um again, you guys know May is n national historic preservation month. So our awards are awarded every May. Um we
choose different awards based on our nominations. Um our awards committee this year is Denny, Edith, Moren, Jason, and Judy. Um it's a volunteer basis, so if you'd like to participate in that next year, we would love to have you.
Um the nominations are available all year. you can visit our website and nominate a property. This year we had 33 nominations on our public website. So that was very exciting for us. >> There's multiple rounds of scoring. 10 properties are narrowed down to the
final round with five winners this year. >> Um the considerations again are architectural design elements, railings and porches, windows and doors, fences, walkways and landscaping. It's just the front facing of a house, not the interior.
We consider um homes and buildings to win if they provide a positive community impact. Um if the ma they've maintained the property well um acknowledging the craftsmanship skill in overcoming challenges while preserving or maintaining the historic building. These
are our winners this year. 718 Oak Avenue. This is a very older photo obviously and a newer photo. They've done a really amazing job especially with their porch. That was really part of their presentation this year. >> Beautiful. Um, a more unique home in Sanford still, 505 Valencia. Um, this is
more of a Mediterranean build, 1925, 100 years old. Beautiful. >> Amazing. >> They've done a really good job. Um, this one was 2011 West 18th Street, built in 1923. These homeowners actually got lucky and bought the house, renovated, but they're doing a great job keeping up
with the place. This one is another special Sanford icon, 420 Oak Avenue, the Higgins House, built in 1894. Uh, a special thing from their presentation. The family that owns it now is actually still part of the
Higgins family. So, that's really exciting. >> And our commercial building this year was 245 San Marcos A. Um, what was this? This aisle art deco dooop. the dooop district is
what we were calling >> the diamond shape of the roof and they've actually done the interior as well in that building. Um we did yeah they did a great job inside so if you stop by pretty neat um we did provide a special recognition for preservation and stewardship to 18 819 Cypress Avenue the
St. James Amy Church. Their roof is completed. So, definitely drive by and check out their roof. So amazing. And they just they took their leftover that they had from their grant and replaced all the smaller windows around the exterior of the building and those have
been installed. >> So I drove mine, caught them doing that. So that was very exciting. Um and then tonight we also have a special recognition for a commitment to preservation to Art Woodruff. to thank you for your in recognition of outstanding leadership, advocacy, and dedication to the preservation of
Sford's historic character. Through your commitment to protecting and celebrating our community's heritage, you have helped ensure that Sanford's past continues to enrich its future. So, thank you. >> Thank you. >> Great work, ladies. Keep it up. >> There's probably a gentleman or two.
>> Ladies and gentlemen, yeah. Hey, the Ritz theater's on here, too. >> Thank you, lady. >> You're not done, boss. >> Keep working on it. Come on. >> Um, did you get a picture of the award? The new award. Can we take a picture of
that? >> Yes. Commissioner Britain, that would look good on your house. >> She think you >> No, no, no. I just wanted they they showed the new the new plaque and so I wanted a picture of the how pretty it
was. That's all. >> Yeah. She didn't call you pretty art >> building department. Come on down. >> Tony has to come too. Oh, not felony.
>> Whereas our city is committed to recognizing that our growth and strength depend on the safety and essential role our homes, buildings, and infrastructure play both in everyday life and when disaster strikes. And whereas our confidence in the resilience of these buildings that make up our community is
chief achieved through the devotion of vig vigilant guardians, building safety and firerevention officials, architects, engineers, builders, trades people, design professionals, laborers, plumbers, and others in the cond construction industry who work year
round to ensure the safe construction of buildings. And whereas these guardians are dedicated members of the Florida Association of Building Officials and International Code Council, nonprofit organizations that bring together local, state, territorial, tribal, and federal officials who are experts in the built
environment to create and implement the highest quality codes to protect us in the buildings where we live, learn, work, and play. And whereas these modern building codes include safeguards to protect the public from hazards such as hurricanes, snowstorms, tornadoes, wildland fires, floods, and earthquakes.
And whereas the building safety month is sponsored by the Florida Association of Building Officials and International Code Council to remind the public about the critical role of our community's largely unknown protectors of public safety are code officials who assure us
of assure us of safe, sustainable, and affordable buildings that are essential to our prosperity. And whereas built to last, the theme for the building safety month 2026 encourages us all to get involved and raise awareness about building safety on
a personal, local, and global scale. And whereas each year in observance of building safety month, people all over the world are asked to consider the commitment to improve building safety, resilience, and economic investment at home and in the community, and to acknowledge the essential service
provided to all of us by local, state, tribal, territorial, and federal building safety and fire prevention departments in protecting lives and property. Now therefore, I would by the virtue of the authority vested in me as the mayor of the city of Sanford, Florida, do hereby proclaim the month of
May 2026 as building safety month. >> Dave, before they go, Mr. Mayor. >> Yeah. And Dave, if you can also introduce your team. >> I am Steve Fiori. I'm the building official. We have Lorenzo Bowden, deputy
building official. Gabby is our business tax license. Trey Trey is an inspector. We have Alexis and Annaise, permit coordinators. Teresa is an admin. Kathy, admin
supervisor. Sean, plan examiner. Put your hand up. Steve Buckles, building inspector. John Valdez, building inspector. Amy Michaels, building and permitting manager. And the big man, Tony Romano.
>> Thank you, sir. Yeah, >> thank you all for what you >> We're still mad you stole Kathy from us. >> Shauna. >> Next is for >> speaking of amazing city clerks. Yes, sir. >> Hannah,
>> whereas the office of the professional municipal clerk, a timehonored and vital part of local government, exists throughout the world, and whereas the office of the professional municipal clerk is the oldest among public servants. Whereas the office of the professional municipal clerk provides a professional link between the citizens,
the local governing bodies, and agencies of government at other levels. And whereas professional municipal clerks have pledged to be ever mindful of neutrality, impartiality and while rendering equal service to all. Whereas the professional municipal clerk serves
as the information center on functions of local government and community. And whereas professional municipal clerks continually strive to improve the administration of the affairs of the office of the professional municipal clerk through participation in education programs, seminars, workshops, and the
annual meetings of their state, provincial, county, and international professional organizations. Whereas most appropriate for the city recognize the accomplishments of the office of the professional municipal clerk. Now therefore, I art Woodruff by virtue of the authority vested in me as
the mayor of city of Sanford do hereby recognize the week of May 3rd through 9th, 2026 as professional municipal clerks week and recognize that the Florida Association of City Clerks, the professional association for Florida's municipal clerks, and further extend appreciation to Tracy Hooen, city clerk,
MMC FCRM, and Shauna Posley Morland, deputy city clerk, and to all professional municipal clerks for the vital services they perform and their exemplary exemplary dedication to the communities they represent. Thank you.
>> I'm glad you're >> and congrats on an exceptional minutes taking. >> Thank you. >> And then we have code enforcement officers. Y'all can come on down. >> Become our unsung heroes. Whereas code enforcement officers
provide for the safety, health, and welfare of the citizens in this community through the enforcement of building, zoning, housing, animal control, fire safety, environmental, and other codes and ordinances. And whereas code enforcement officers serve recog
deserve recognition for the jobs they do protecting lives and improving neighborhoods. And whereas every day assisted by support and program staff, they strive to provide quality customer service to the public for the betterment of the community. And often their efforts go unnoticed even after code
compliance has been accomplished due to their efforts and expertise. And whereas code enforcement officers are dedicated, well-trained, and highly responsible individuals who take their jobs seriously and are proud of their department and local government in which they serve. And whereas the city of
Sanford's development services code enforcement officers are committed to elevating the quality of life for our neighborhoods by enforcing noncriminal city ordinances, codes, and regulations. And whereas annually, the Florida Florida Association of Code Enforcement declares the first week of June to be
set aside by local governments to honor and recognize its code enforcement officers. And it brings awareness to the community of the valuable service they provide. Now therefore, I would by the virtue of the authority vested in me as the mayor of the city of Sanford, Florida, do hereby proclaim the week of
June 1-6, 2026 is code enforcement officers appreciation week in the city of Sanford and urge all residents to join me in expressing appreciation to these professionals for the dedication and outstanding service they provide to our community, for improving our neighborhoods, and for greatly enhancing
our quality of life. >> Thank you. and Rose speech. I'm >> going to ask you to introduce your staff since you're the code enforcement supervisor. >> Okay. This is Tiffany is one of the newcomers doing a great job. Pedro
River, one of the newcomers that's doing a outstanding job as well. Then we have Julio. >> We love Julio. Why are we laughing about Julio? >> And then we have David. And also
Stephen. >> Oh, I'm so sorry, Kathy. >> We And we stole Kathy. >> Yes, you did. Don't forget Kathy or we'll take her back. >> But thank you guys for everything. >> Thank you all for everything. >> Thank you. Keep up the good work, team.
>> So that will bring us to the minutes of the April 27, 2026 regular meeting and work session. Move to approve. Second. Second. Third. >> Any further discussion? All in favor? Any opposed? Pestanley.
Regarding speaking before the comm city commission to facilitate public input. If you plan to speak on an item, we would appreciate if you fill out the yellow input form that you will find at the back. Um the public will be given an opportunity to speak on any item before the city commission during the regular meeting. I will ask if anyone has any
comments before we vote on the consent agenda. During public hearings, there will be an opportunity to speak before uh before a motion is made on each item. And during regular items, if you've not filled out a comment card, when we get to the item, you would raise your hand. You'll be recognized. There's a three-minute time limit for each speaker
on each item except a person representing an organization and presenting its views during a quai judicial hearing. Who will be allowed five minutes? Citizen participation is after public hearings and individuals may address the commission on any topic that is not on the agenda. There's a
fivem minute time limit for citizen comments. So, is there anyone in the audience wishes to speak on any um item on the consent agenda? See, I'll bring that to the commission for action or to pull items.
>> I'd like to pull item G, Mr. Mayor. >> And I think I'm fine with Sanford Sizzland summer program. I just wanted to know was this in this year's budget? Is um Brady here? >> It's budget. >> It's already budgeted. Okay. So, nothing
on that. So, I'll approve um items A through F, then H through >> I want to pull C. >> Sorry, I didn't want to interrupt you, but >> Okay. I move to approve. >> Wait. So, we're pulling C and G. Any other items to pull?
>> Okay. Motion. >> Move to approve. A B D through L. All others H through >> O. >> Yes. >> Do we have a second? >> Second. All in favor? Any opposed?
>> Passion nastly. Okay, we'll go to item C first. >> Item C is on the Allen J fleet sales for the vehicle in the building division. Who wants to answer a question? >> Nobody. I >> think Mr. Roando does. This is on the quick quote sheet which I
know you have memorized. >> Feel comfortable sitting in front of the commission. It's just Mr. Marine and >> you you're perfectly fine there, Tony. Um on the quick quote sheet there are three items. I just want to double check. >> Okay. Uh, one of them is a deep tint
film installed on front two door glass only for 195. Deep tint presumably meaning it's still legal and sun protection. Is that kind of a normal add-on? >> Yes, ma'am. These were all specked out
by the fleet superintendent, Brett. And the other one was uh color ultra thin headlights mounted in grill and mounted on vehicle uh for 870. These are add-ons. So
I'm not sure what the purpose of ultra thin. >> Those are the warning lights. >> Are they warning lights? Okay, good. Thank you. And options equipment group 101A for $2,215. There's nowhere in here that says what those options are. Do you happen to
>> I'd have to look at the invoice. >> Uh I wasn't prepared to discuss it and I apologize for that. But knowing the price what we're talking about I think is the >> the tano cover and the uh equipment racks in the back the the uh locking mechanisms. >> Okay. I think the tano cover is separate
from that but um but you know you might it might be right there. Okay. All right. Thank you Tony. I trust >> I'm sorry I wasn't more helpful on that one. >> You were. Thank you. Based on that, move to approve. C.
>> You have a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? President. Item G. >> Okay. Um, so I'm assuming this might be Jennifer. Um, let me speak into the mic so I don't get in any trouble. >> Thank you, Shannon.
Um, we're here to I mean the recommendation is to deny. Wasn't this Didn't we have an issue like this last year? I think also with the Christmas trees as well on this lot. >> Yes, ma'am. In 2022, um the uh
commission overrode our request to deny that event as well. >> Okay. Um I don't see the an issue with it. Of course, I'm reading here about, you know, the safety issues, but this is in an open field and then it's also sponsored by Glorious Hands, Inc. So,
um, I don't object to it personally. Um, is is it I mean, I guess legally, >> Jennifer, this is the one you said Tom Ball had contacted when during the work session when you presented. >> The special event review committee is is required to recommend denial on this
because this the property is unimproved. So, uh, we would, >> but this property has had multiple events like this, >> right? >> Yeah. >> So, I don't I don't I don't I don't see the problem with having it there. I understand the rules that we have and so
you're supposed to deny it. Um, but again, we've um approved it for Christmas trees before and for fireworks. So, I'm going to move to Well, I don't know. I'm not to deny I guess to approve the special event permit for >> Yeah. All in favor?
>> I. Any opposed? >> Fastly. >> Thank you, Jennifer. >> Thank you, Jennifer. Two public hearings, both of which are quasi judicial. So, that means I get to read this. Okay. Um when an agenda item involves
the quasi judicial process commissioners must disclose all exparte communications including the name of the communicator and the time place and substance of the communication written communications commissioner investigations site visits and receipt of expert opinions must also be disclosed and made a part of the
record. Persons who have opinions contrary to those expressed in exparte communication may refute or respond to the communication at the hearing when they make their presentation in a quasi judicial process. Parties to the proceeding are generally the city and the applicant. Others who have legal
standing to appeal the decision may also request to be recognized as a party. Parties are subject to cross-examination and must give their testimony under oath. Persons do not have to be a party to the proceedings to be recognized and provide comments. Members of the public who wish to make comments are not subject to cross-examination and are not
sworn in evidentiary as evidentiary witnesses. Comments of the public that provide facts relevant to the application can be considered in the decision. Qualifications of the city staff are part of the agenda materials. All testimony and evidence provided to the city commission must be competent
material and substantial under Florida law. A guide to quai judicial proceedings has been published on the city's websites and copies are available at the rear of the chambers. Okay. If those that are going to speak and need to be sworn in, if you would please
stand. Okay. Is there somebody here for the applicant? Right. If you could raise your right hand, state your names. Hson, >> do you swear or affirm that testimony that you are about to give in the matters now at hearing will be the
truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Lope. >> Okay. Thank you. Right. And so for now, I need to swing it over to the attorney for first reading of ordinance 4853. Ordinance number 20264853,
an ordinance of the city of Sanford, Florida, providing for the reszoning of real property totaling 3.61 acres in size. Tax identification partial number 2619305 AE5,00000
which is generally addressed as 451 Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard within the city limits from AG agricultural to GC2 general commercial providing for the taking of implementing administrative actions providing for the adoption of a map by reference repealing all
conflicting ordinances providing for severability providing for non-codification and providing for an effective date >> Mr. Mayor, members of city commission, the property owner is Seino County Tax Collector who's managed by JR Croll. It is the intent of the property tax to
open a new office for the tax collector operations as an alternate service to their current Castlebury location. And while the report says that the proposed development will generate additional tax revenue, it will only generate additional tax revenue if they rent some
of the building. Does anyone have anything to clear on this one? >> I have none. >> No. >> Okay, Miss Hson, >> I have a presentation, but given that it's a straight resoning in a land use that allows it, it's up to you whether you want to hear it.
>> I I mean, is there anything on this project that's questionable or concerning? >> No, it's it's straight rezoning. >> Okay, we'll skip it. >> Okay. And it will not impede I don't I think it's just north of the property
where there is an MLK historic marker. Right. >> That marker would be on the right of way anyway. >> It's on the right. >> On the rightway. Okay. >> Yeah. All right. Then does the applicant want to speak on the item? >> Okay. Does anyone have any questions for
that? >> Yes, sir. Okay, this is a public hearing. Anyone in the audience wish to speak to this item? >> Seeing no one I'll close the public hearing. Bring the commission for action. >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> Motion a second. Any further discussion? All in favor? I. Any opposed? Pass unanimously. That brings us to ordinance
4854. >> Ordinance number 20264854, an ordinance of the city of Sanford, Florida to amend the Queen's Crossing plan development, a real a real property site totaling 17.24 24 acres in size.
Tax identification partial numbers 30 2031 30090 4 zeros and 032031 30009A 4 zeros and 3031 501 0 A0040
which is generally addressed as 4057 and 4064 Zanzibar Way within the city limits to add vehicular accessory sales and installation with ancillary V vehicular repair as a permitted use.
Providing for the taking of implementing administrative actions, providing for the adoption of a map by reference, repealing all conflicting ordinances, providing for severability, providing for non-codification, and providing for an effective date. >> Mr. The mayor, members of city
commission, on April the 2nd of 2026, the city's planning and zoning commission voted unanimously to recommend that the city commission adopt the ordinance and to keep in mind that there are various conditions as listed in the staff report that they are recommending be adopted.
>> Does anyone have anything to declare on this one? >> I have none. >> Okay. I have spoken with the applicant on several occasions about this mainly regarding what would be the best process to achieve um their goal on this and I've also talking spoken with staff
about it since it record. I do not see the applicant here. >> Yeah. >> So there you are. Okay. Um, but I have the presentation, so we're going to go for it. All right. So, the first reading of the ordinance to amend the Queens
Crossing plan development. The site is located on East Lake Mary Boulevard, just south of what is known as King's Crossing, which is the public shopping center. It was larger and included additional parcels, but this is
the site as of right now. So in um 2022, the parcel composition included additional land. However, parcel 2 is on the west side and it includes only 1.54 acres. Parcel 1 is 15.64 acres now
currently consisting of two parcels on the east side. So in October of 2022, we adopted three ordinances to annex it into the city, to change the future lane use, and to reszone to the Queens Crossing PD. This is the PD as it stands
now. Um, in May of 2025, we adopted a development order to abandon the southern 9.71 acres of the PD so it could revert to agricultural. The remaining PD acreage is 17.24. If you
recall, we abandoned that portion because they um wanted to proceed with agricultural uses for a period of time as they did not see the commercial portion developing for a period of time that would not exceed what the PD existed for. So
this is what stands now of the PD and the applicant's original request was to remove the transient lodging establishment, add vehicular oriented uses and then modify the square footage limits for certain uses.
So the PD is in your packet. It's going to be much easier than reading it on the screen, but these are the most relevant portions. There's two sections. There's phase one and phase two they're calling it or parcel one and parcel two they're calling it. The site notes are all in your packet. These are the parcels as
they've generally designed them. So, what they're looking to do is remove the transient lodging, add automobile parking, vehicular repair, vehicular rental, vehicular accessory sales and installation, and then modify by eliminating the 6,000 foot limit on the
vehicle cleaning establishment, which is a car wash, and adding 16,000 cap for accessory sales and installation. So, at the PNZ hearing on April 2nd, the applicant presented a revised request after working with staff. staff provided
additional guidance at the hearing and the commission then deliberated on permitted uses limits and parcel applicability. So, there were several agreements negotiated at that April 2nd meeting which resulted in the applicant agreeing
to keep the uses of automobile cleaning establishment, retain the existing 6,000 foot maximum, adding or allowing the vehicular rental office, no maximum square footage on the building itself, and then meeting the definitions of what
we have for vehicular rental office and the vehicular accessory sales and installation. with ancillary repair, not adding vehicular repair to standalone, but the accessory sales and installation such as tires and brakes and then ancillary repair because per our
category doing the repair on the brakes is actually repair, but what their goal is for um brakes and tires. So the uses the applicant agreed to remove was the gasoline service station, the automobile parking establishment, vehicular repair
standalone, and vehicular rental fleetbased. So as noted, the vehicular rental office has a cap of 10 cars. Vehicular repair standalone could do heavy engine and transmission work, and they're not looking to do that. So they've they agreed to remove these
elements. Um, other modifications was limit the vehicular oriented uses to the parcel one side of the PD master plan to retain the transient lodging after discussing it with staff to just maintain it for the purpose of a future hotel opportunity. Right now, they don't
have one, but there's no need to remove it as a permitted use. So, in the future, they don't have to return back through the commission process if they happen to get someone who wants to build a hotel. Staff worked with the applicant. The applicant agreed that it was best to leave that in there. And then the last one was the vehicular
repair revised to be accessory sales and installation which is things like tires or stereo systems, things like that. And then um adding ancillary repair, which would allow them to do the brakes because they have an anticipated user of Mavis tires and brakes, but any one of
those tire and brake facilities would require this use. So it allows for things like oil changes, brake work, and tire service, but it excludes major repair, body work, painting, transmission, and engine work. So, the additional negotiated requirements that were discussed while
they were before the commission included car wash shielding, the wash tunnels and self-clean areas are shielded from East Lake Mary Boulevard, the indoor service requirements for all repair activities have to meet schedule E. And the bay orientations, the surface base to be oriented away from East Lake Mary
Boulevard to the best of their ability, and where it couldn't be, they should be screened to an 80% opacity. So the PNZ unanimously recommended after these negotiations in agreed upon terms to amend the Queen's Crossing PD subject to all the commission conditions in your
staff report. But the uses would include negotiated terms of the staff conditions and then included things like the three-year expiration if required infrastructure is not complete default to LDR standards for any PD elements not shown or requested. The PD agreement
that was established in 23 remains in effect. The development plan is required prior to construction. Updated PD master plan required to reflect all conditions. Prior to second reading, we need a revised plan. And then unresolved development order disputes would then
return to PNZ for adjudication as we have as a standard condition in all of our PDS. So since the PNZ hearing, we did a pre-application conference. The pre-lication conference was for a proposed Taco Bell. It was identified that the standard model for the Taco
Bell requires more than double the parking allowed under our current code for drive-through restaurants. So, our local code is based on average restaurant parking ratios. Sometimes fall below the actual operational demands for certain fast food fast food drive-throughs. The current ratios do
not always reflect higher turnover, app-based pickup, increased staffing needs. So since the planning and zoning commission staff is requesting so that the applicant does not need to do additional public hearings for additional parking if needed for fast food with drive-thru which we've seen
before on restaurants including Culver's and others that are recently adopted just due to staffing due to drive-thru and then app order pickup. They frequently need more parking than our current parking code allows but not always. It's just random fast food. So to amend the whole code isn't
necessarily um necessary at this time. However, for certain uses, they do have their models that include more parking. So what staff is requesting is that the commission authorize staff to approve the parking
up to twice the amount that would be allowed by our code subject to them meeting all the criteria in the land development requirements that we would otherwise need. But I think right now it's only at a 25% that staff can do. Knowing that this is going to be an issue, we're just asking that it get
approved now. And if it doesn't meet our standards for request, then it just goes through the public hearing process as normal. >> What do we mean by double the parking? What What is >> So if they're Okay, so based on their number of seats inside, if they're only allowed up to eight spaces, that'll
allow us to give them 16. or I think right now they're asking for something like 19 instead of 16 which we could do at 100%. They're still asking for more than 100 100% more than our code allows but we're asking to be able to work with them up to 100% more than what they're
allowed. So double >> it's interesting because with the trend toward appbased orders >> that just means they're all in the lane and you have to accommodate that versus >> a lot of them have parking spaces where they bring out to your car >> while they wait and pick it up. >> Okay. And it's higher higher turnover.
Certain restaurants just need additional parking. >> So we're not talking more than 20. >> No, I don't think it's that high. >> Okay. >> So it's it's something in the >> I was just curious. >> Yeah. No, it's not like 50 spaces or anything. >> That's what I was afraid of.
>> And then Art's going to want trees for shade in the parking >> or or um covered parking with solar on top of it. >> No, it's not more than 20some spaces that they were asking for. Um, I know when we did Culver's we had to do it was
I want to say it was nearly 150% like they had an extensive amount extra and they frequently their parking lot is full. It's just certain ratios certain establishments the way their turnover is >> they use more parking than the standard drive-thru. A lot of places >> I was just curious I haven't seen a Taco
Bell lately with that many cars on it. So >> yeah, not 127. >> Florida and it's ice cream. So Culver's I can see. >> Yeah. Okay. So that's all I have. That's all the things that were agreed upon. A lot of a lot of negotiation occurred at the planning and zoning commission. So a
lot of changes were made and the applicant was agreeable to them. I don't know if they have additional information that they'd like to speak of, but I think staff captured everything that was agreed upon at PNZ. >> Okay. This question is for staff. >> One question for staff. >> Okay. And this is probably correct, but
in the actual ordinance with all of the whereas statements, >> there is uh there are two grids there. one for the master plan that was approved in 22 followed by the proposed master plan. >> Right. >> And in the proposed master plan, it says
parenthetically removes the 6,000 square foot max. >> But aren't we agreeing that we are >> so we need to make sure before second reading that whatever occurs at this first reading that both the ordinance and the master plan reflect that before second reading. >> Because I think the suggestion is we
keep that 6,000 max. Um, yeah, I think the applicant agrees to that. >> Okay. >> So, um, but because that was the original application, that's the way the report was drawn, the recommendation is to make these changes. If the commission agrees, then the city attorney and our
staff will work to get that put together before you >> for second reason. >> Thank you. >> This this sure isn't what we envisioned out there. >> I'm just going to say that. >> What do you mean? >> This is not what we envisioned. This is not what we thought would come. Um,
I just we're just repeating the same patterns across the city. >> Just it's disappointing. >> Mhm. >> It's your district. >> I know. >> Am I wrong? >> No, you're not wrong. Okay. >> But I've I've got on this a million
times. I know >> we talk about raising our standards and this just doesn't that that just doesn't hit that target. Sorry. I just it's one man's opinion. Um I know legally there's not a lot we can
do here, but this is not >> what we envision. >> What we en this is what the market is bringing us. >> Yeah. >> Uh this is what we're allowing the market to bring us. And I'll just
>> I think I have a question for the applicant. >> In fact, >> probably more than Eileen. >> I need to swear them in. >> Yeah. >> He can be sworn in. Okay. >> Come on down. >> Mayor, >> did he get sworn in? >> He's agreeing to all the conditions. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Okay. Um I need to swear you in.
>> Absolutely. >> You raise your right hand. State your name. >> Bob Ziggfus. >> Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give in the matters now at hearing will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing about the truth. So help you. Yes, I do. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Uh Bob Ziggen, FOC Development Services, 1201 East Robinson Street in Orlando,
Florida, 32801. Um yeah, I appreciate the um staff presentation and Eileen's gone through a lot of description of what our original request was based on and then started to talk about what was negotiated and discussed here at our last hearing. um
to dwindle this down to its bare essence, what we've agreed to number one is that the only change from the previous PD that we were requesting now would be for the um allowance of the a very specific use and this is for a
tenant they're looking at. Um and so it is the allowance for that tire and um brake repair uh where they're it's an ancillary repair to the sales that are going on in the building. Um, so that is the essential change from the previous PD that was already approved is just
that one change that we're requesting here today. And basically the discussion that Eileen had would be about the removal of the previous parts of our request. Uh, since then we did receive the request from staff to if we would be agreeable to add um at their request add
the additional um change to the PD and that was for the maximum parking for that Taco Bell. I'll speak to that a little bit because my firm does do quite a bit of this quick service restaurant work. Um what we're seeing is a trend in the industry where you know appbased
ordering double drive-thrus there's very few people going into these buildings and I think that's kind of the thought process that you were discussing right well what happens is be I'm familiar with this and the the standards that Eileen was referring to related to this
these uh users is staff >> uh we're working they need enough parking especially at at shift change right Um, so it's really not these vehicles, you know, like for instance, we're working on a very small coffee user. It's less than a thousand square
feet. And so when you run into these codes, there's quite a few of them out there that have the maximum parking requirements. You end up with the allowance for, you know, that some of these have no seats in them. So if it's a code is based off of seating, they don't even have a reference to go by.
>> So I've seen some require four spaces. >> You need more than that for just the employees that are coming in out of the facility. So that kind of explains a little bit of what's happening in the industry and why you're seeing that request there too. So um here to answer any questions you might have. >> Thank
I did have a question but it's not about that Taco Bell. Um car washes. >> Yes, >> we're seeing more and more of them. They're zoned properly. I know we can't say no but and this is probably a c a request because we can't tell you you can't put that in. But is the car washer
planning on going to recycle the water, use that process? >> Yes, we've worked for quite a few of them over the years, especially like you said, we're seeing quite a few of them, right? Um they all have recirculating systems in them these days. There's not a single one out there that's not using recirculation systems. They want to save
on their water bills. >> Well, we do have at least one already in Sanford that doesn't. So, that's why I wanted Is it a newer facility or an older one? >> Newer. >> Is it a newer one? Yeah. I have not worked with any that have not and I know the brand that one of the brands that
they're negotiating here with um is is would be one that does use it. Um I I think that with the advent of their recirculation systems that wouldn't be an issue having that be something that's required. >> Okay. >> And we are willing to as mentioned um
are willing to agree to that 6,000 foot maximum as well. >> Appreciate that. Thank you. Right. >> Any other questions? >> Nope. Okay, >> and you've agreed to you're agreeable to all the terms that have been set forth by staff, including the condition that
you just added with regard to the recirculation of water for the car wash. >> Yes. >> Okay. Nothing. >> Good. Thanks. >> So, Attorney Green, we don't we don't need to add the item that Eileen asked us to add since that he agreed agreed upon it. Correct. No, >> I would when you do your motion, I would
add both of those two additional conditions and as in addition to what's in your staff report in your motion. All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Absolutely. This is a public hearing. Anyone else from millions wish to speak
to this item? See, I'll close the public hearing. Bring permission for action. >> So, we move to approve the action with the additional two conditions. >> Do we need to spell it out? >> Probably. regarding parking and order recirculation.
>> Um, yes. Are we supposed to authorize staff to approve twice the amount of parking as needed or the maximum amount? Is that what you said, Eileen? For the parking? >> Yeah. Up to 100% more. >> Up to 100%. And the additional recycle is that >> it's a recirculation system with the car
wash. >> Okay. So, but I'm asking why does that have to be put in? I'm just You want it as a condition so that it is an enforcable term. Um should it be used for car wash process? >> Okay. So basically so moved. Yeah.
>> There second. >> Second. >> Any further discussion? >> All in favor? >> I. Any opposed? Pass unlessly. It brings us citiz participation. I don't have any requests. Is there anyone in the audience that wishes to speak to
the commission? Okay. Seeing no one, we will move on to other items. Resolution 3482. >> Yes, Mr. Mayor. Members of the city commission, city staff is recommending the commission approve resolution 3482 amending the city budget in the amount
of 17,000 I mean 17,338,996 and this is to implement a wastewater impact fee fund to use to improve the south plant expansion project. >> Hallelujah. >> Questions or motion? >> Move to approve. >> Second motion and second. Any further
discussion? All in favor? >> I. Any opposed? Resolution 3483. >> Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of city commission, the staff is recommending city commission approved the resolution that would allow for $300,000 for concrete maintenance and repair to the
Paththeon Construction Company. >> Questions or motion? >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> Motion and second. Any further discussion? >> All in favor? Any opposed? Pass unanimously. Brings us to the um the add-on, the extension of the solid waste franchise agreement.
>> Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of city commission, city staff is recommending commission approve the request for a fourth and final four-year extension to solid waste franchise agreement with WastPro. >> Yeah, I was expecting to see um Mr.
Dolan here. >> Well, I would say that Mr. Dolan and city staff, particularly city attorney and Mr. Johnson have been working, you know, tearishly on this and have come to an agreement. >> Move to approve. >> Second. Motion second. Any further discussion?
>> All in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? >> Pass nastly. >> Mr. Mayor, there's an add-on requesting the commissioner approval of an interlocal agreement between Semino County and the city of Sanford regarding the assignment of local option fuel tax
proceeds for the state state road 417 connection expansion project. We would point out that during the discussion at the work session, we noted that there are some things we would like to change, at least modify that was being done by the city attorney. I have spoken with
Mr. Gray and we will make sure to get to him if not tonight, tomorrow morning the um adjustment >> and I would recognize that the chair of the county commission is in the audience. >> Commissioner Hurt, we also have the airport um CEO here also.
Okay, questions or motion? >> Uh, I have a quick statement. Um, just like we talked about it earlier, um, and I think both Patrick and I um said it, I know how beneficial this project will be for the future of transportation, for our international airport, but it is uh
diff a difficult pill to swallow for our residents who will have this in their backyard. Um, I do understand that development has to happen, but again, I have not had one resident to contact me and say that they are for this. I've been to uh the different meetings that
they've had at Millennial. I've done the walk-in talks and they are not happy um to see it. And so, I don't speak for myself. I speak for the people that I represent. But again, I do know that um it will be beneficial, you know, for the
the future of Sanford. Um do we need to clarify the uh the discussion from uh the workshop >> that uh this is uh >> just the 5% >> just the 5% additional
>> that's part of what um the motion should be to allow the attorney to modify language within the scope of the >> okay I move to approve this interlogal agreement uh within
uh the scope of understanding we have um and uh and improving it um >> allow the attorney to edit it. >> Let me finish. I'm just trying to help you >> to allow the city attorney to uh fix uh
some of the language and to ensure that uh it specifically specifies the extra 5% not the total amount of gas tax as it does currently. >> Well, >> I'm sure that was a mistake and Darren
overlooked it, didn't notice it, but >> in fairness to the county, >> still want to make sure it's fixed. >> Yeah. And it's the commission in fairness to the county, the very first war whereas of the interlocal says that it authorizes the county to levy and
local option fee tax up to 5 cents on every gallon. So, it is specific to that 5 cents. >> Okay. But then later on, >> right? >> Clarify that there's no conflict. >> Yeah, we have a motion. Do we have a second? >> Second.
>> Any further discussion? Uh just the same thing that Commissioner Britain said that uh it's her district but it's something where I also attended all the public meetings and I heard the messages loud and clear and I agreed with a lot of them that uh I have
concerns about induced demand which I mentioned in the workshop. U I obviously want to support the county because we are partners and we will continue to find places where we can agree. Um, but given just what I've seen, what I've
heard, and what I understand about what can happen when you start adding more and more highways, um, I'm not in a position to be able to support this. And I would say as someone who lives in that area who also attended those meetings, um you Commissioner Britain and I speak
with different people sometimes um you know it is there's going to be some people that are very greatly impacted by this but there is support to do this >> um in that area. So, um, with that, >> yep.
>> All in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? >> I >> passes four to one. >> City attorney comments. >> I did not have anything to report this evening, mayor. >> City clerk's report.
>> Um, I'm so busy writing, I forgot. Um we are taking steps to implement the peak agenda programming for um all departments beginning this week and into
next hoping to go live if all goes well sparring any surprises um hopefully the first meeting of July. >> Okay, good news. Now, have I ever have I gotten clarification that that package
does allow video connection to it? >> It does have a video component to it. Um, we are still pricing out the cost of a live. We have not we do not have the live clos captioning. That is what's still being priced out to my knowledge.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> Yes, sir. >> Mr. Mayor, I think it's important to note that we recognize people watching the meeting live do not have the options of closed caption. It is available when they see the report but not during live and we're working to have it where it's
available live. >> Okay. >> Yes, sir. >> All right. >> The city manager report >> at this point. That's Mr. Mayor. >> Commissioner Brett. >> Oh. Uh uh I have an appointment for the CDBG
advisory board. I'd like to appoint Ashley Knight to for the district one appointment for the community development block grant board. Okay. Is >> there a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Any opposed? Passion Nley.
>> Okay. Um just to let the commission know, Commissioner Britain is on track to have her head shot this Friday. Thank you. >> I'm sorry for holding holding it up. Mayor, don't shake your head anymore. >> Wow. >> I'm sure it will be fabulous. >> Yes. >> You're the first one in front of a
camera. >> I'm so sorry. Um I want to thank this commission and the member uh uh city staff and the members of um district one for being so patient. I had two beautiful daughters to graduate from college. Um, my daughter Haley graduated
Magna Kumladi from Florida&M and my daughter Kaia graduated uh with her master's degree from Bthun Cookman University. And as you know, I'm a full-time working mom and to have two daughters to graduate from rival schools on the opposite ends of Florida was a
lot for me to be their number one cheerleader. And so I had to scale back from a lot of things even though I seem to do more with the city this week when I was busy. Um but again, thank you all for your patience. Um I had to miss a couple of work sessions and I missed the
last meeting and I am um so thankful to um everyone for their their patience and I am back to my regularly scheduled program and that concludes the district one report >> and I like the observations you made about one of those graduation. I'd love
to talk to you more about that. Okay. >> Uh, Commissioner Wiggins, >> last week, uh, Department of Juvenile Justice came in with the GAP, uh, event where we partnered with, uh, our law enforcement as well as, uh, Simino County. Uh, we had a few parents and
kids there. So, that was a great event for our parents and uh, children to be able to uh, converse with them. We had food giveaway uh, picnic project, my partners, my brothers. We did about 65 families. We had the boys to men social uh where we had probably about 100 folks
there. Another good turnout. We did the habit we had the Habitat for Humanities um event and we had about 30 to 40 people in there. So hopefully we can get get as many of those folks uh approved to get housing. And I'm asking again for
some reason they say uh we needed me to redo this. I'm asking for $1,000 to go towards the Gold Main Street Art Festival. I got it approved before they said they can't find the paperwork. So I'm asking >> a motion.
>> Yeah, that is a motion. I motion that second >> for public purpose purpose. >> For public purpose. Yes. And I am done. >> All in favor? >> I What about the um emancipation day? >> That is that is actually
>> Were you going to make it? >> She said I was good. Well, I'll do it again, but they they already talked. She had a 51c3. What is the name of the 51c3? >> It's uh it's um
>> Okay. But I don't think we ever voted to give that to them. >> Okay. So, I'm asking for per special purpose for the Emancipation Park Commission. 500 bucks for that as well. Okay. Is there a second? >> Second. >> All in favor?
>> I Okay. Thank you, Mr. Austin. >> Uh, I have nothing. >> Commissioner Thomas, >> I'll use your time. >> Uh, >> you don't have to. >> No, I know. Um, I had a good one-on-one with Mr. Bonapart. We're doing our
quarterly meetings. I appreciate the time you spend with us. Um, Commissioner Wiggins and I got to judge the Rhythm and Bruise barbecue. And Mayor Woodruff, I was coming to you. I saved the best for last. >> All right. >> Wow. That was a nice event. Well, good
event. And hopefully in future years they can uh find a way to save some of the food that we did not eat because there was a lot of meat at that thing. Uh well done. Um I will be attending FLC leadership training on the 15th. So I'm
anxious to see what happens with that and I'll happily share whatever I learn with my fellow commissioners there and the mayor, but he probably knows it all anyway. >> I don't know about that >> short time or anything. Um, I hope to to do the Emancipation Day. Hopefully I'll see you all there. Uh, the 16th is Party
for the Planet at the Zoo. That's a good event. I would recommend you go. And speaking of the zoo, and this is where I'm going to take your time, so beg a little indulgence here. >> As many of you know, the Central Florida Zoo is hurting because they had the grace to accept the remaining 13 sloths
out of 50ome that most of them died. Three of the 13 have already passed. The others are not daytoday. Hopefully, they will make it. But the cost that they're incurring on a daily basis to take care of these sloths is immense. The fact
that their staff who have to be in quarantine to take care of the sloths means the other staff members cannot they have to pick up the slack and nobody's even thinking about the other people and what they're going through. So, um, I met with Richard Glover at the
CEO at the zoo last week and we really talked about this in depth. They had a press conference there. Some of you, if you've seen any of the news, know that this is not just national but world. It's getting global attention. There is a horrible exotic pet trade that is
nothing but a money-making enterprise and it's at the expense of these poor animals. And the sloths have a very particular digestive system. So taking them out of the wild at all isn't risk. When you take them out, put them in a warehouse with no heat, no running
water, things happen. So hopefully at the state level, there is legislation that will be passed to stop the import of this trade. But in the meantime, I would love to see everybody as much as possible help the zoo make it through this period of time.
These sloths will be in quarantine for about three months. So that's three months of expenses every day. that could be $1,500 $2,000 a day barring unusual circumstances. Uh given all of this, how does this affect our city? That's in the county, but it's still in Sanford. It is
one of our jewels. And if we help the zoo, I think it helps us all. It brings global attention to them. The positive things they're doing for this could potentially mean a rise in visitors, which helps the entire city of Sanford.
So, long story, but to justify the fact that I do want to contribute a thousand dollars from my discretionary funds for what I think is a very significant public purpose. I would love to think my other commissioners and mayor might also help out up to them. But I absolutely
this is one of the more meaningful donations I've made from this day since I've been here. So, >> okay. So, >> I'm done. >> Okay. But while I was going to because I told you I had thought about this Um, I
I have a hard time seeing this as a city expense. I see this as something individuals do, but I have an idea. >> We have a summer camp program and they do not have a trip planned to
the zoo. So, I would go in with you to purchase tickets for summer camp to attend the zoo. If you think that would >> That's a great idea because
kids would bring the families to the zoo. >> Well, no, we would No, we would be buying the turkeys, the tickets for our kids to go. 82 I think >> Mike you said it's 82 kids.
>> Oh, that's a lot of kids. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it would. And group tickets have I priced them. I think it's $14 a piece >> for that age. Probably right. >> So, we're at about
$1,200. If you do a thousand, I'll do 500 if we buy tickets for >> our summer camp kids to attend and then
I think we're getting they're getting they're getting revenue that they wouldn't get >> and our kids are getting to experience it. >> I see that as a win >> and then they could be little ambassadors for the zoo as well. >> So that's my >> I like that creative idea, mayor. >> Okay. >> All right. So,
>> so we will move in that respect. >> All right. And M >> So, I almost called you Mr. Kirby. >> I've been here way too long. >> Yeah. >> And so, and you've talked to staff and y'all are okay with that that idea. Okay.
>> All right. So, >> grease the wheels already. Okay. So, that's our public purpose is the education part of it. >> Getting the kids to come to the zoo. >> I like it. >> Okay. So, modify your motion. $1,000 from for $500
from the mayor for the purchase of tickets for the summer camp kids go >> for the summer camp kids. >> Okay. Is there a second to that? >> Second. >> All in favor? Any oppos? >> I don't know. What
>> you have a vote? Yes. Go ahead. What? >> I don't I don't I don't see how Claudia's thing wasn't a purpose and then the summer camp was a was a purpose. I mean, there's there's really no true guidelines like to say what is
and what isn't. >> I I have voted yes for a number of things y'all asked for that I did not see as a public purpose, >> a not necessarily public purpose, but a city purpose. I'm not saying I didn't see what was wrong with with hers
straight out and then we had to like >> well if you if you pay attention to what's going on in this state uh >> very >> I feel with that >> very no very easily could be uh said
that uh giving money straight to the zoo is not a public purpose for city uh resident tax dollars but purchasing the tickets for our summer camp kids to go to the zoo and have an educational experience and see
what what it's all about out there can be sold better as a public purpose. I believe um I I I understand what you're saying. Uh but but we have to be mindful of what the the current climate is and the
attack on on county and city governments. >> Understandable. But whatever, however we have to justify this, if uh everybody else is stepping up to help in this very significant cause and Sanford does nothing, >> then shame on us.
>> Well, >> or we leave it at the fact that I've already donated personally and I'll just donate more out of my own damn. >> I haven't seen the county step up. I haven't seen >> I know that disturbs me as well. >> Step up >> a lot. >> Well, but there I think there's a reason. So >> I
>> their legal counsel's probably going >> nah. >> Okay, >> there's my eye. >> I So >> Commissioner Thomas, do you want to go back to your original? >> Do you want to switch?
>> I I'm willing to compromise here. There's that there's going to be less flexibility in the fact that they're not directly going to be able to help the sloth this way, but >> well no ticket sales go go back to support the zoo and what they're doing.
>> Yeah, >> I used to be on the board of directors there >> and I ask me to do that too. I know how I know how we pushed for money, money, money during COVID and I know we ended up with a ton of extra money at that zoo when we were crying wolf during co
>> and yet they're one of the more poorly funded private zoos in around the area. So >> part of that part of that is upon upon the board to to get done. Um so you know kind of like uh our our talk
earlier with our with our financial dire I can never remember her title director of finance reserves are are there for a reason and so reserves at this time could help them a
lot but >> maybe they don't have reserves >> but in my mind revenue is revenue. >> Well let's stick with the motion that we already made. Okay. I see that as a a win-win that I'm fine with that. >> We're supporting the zoo, but we're also supporting it. So, I'm going to call for
the vote a second time. All in favor? >> Any opposed? >> Pass unanimously. >> Okay. >> All right. Anything else, Mr. Thomas? >> Nope. >> Okay. Um, from the barbecue, I went to the cat show and selected um
>> Oh, yeah. a a a um you know, and actually this time I picked a cat that was the judges were also picking. You know, my the first time I did this, the the cat I chose reminded me of a cat my sister had one day and then the next cat
was one that just seemed to like me. Um >> well, that's pretty good because they're finicky over there. So, um, so and you know, um, Commissioner Mahaney would always tell us about, you know, the people from the CAT show are coming in, they're spending money, they're in the
city. As I walk around, they are saying, "We love coming to Sford. We love your city." Um, so um, >> good enterprise. >> So, good show. Um, the, um, Georgetown Community Garden got it
shed today. Thank you, CBG. Awesome. >> That was installed today. >> Great. >> Um, and so emancipation day will be this Saturday and I hope I will see many of you there. >> We are journed. >> Okay.
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