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maybe put the microphone in front of you for now okay so I hope everybody read what I out don't like that plan let know otherwise my thought was top five Focus areas in the ranking um
then pause and look at what we said were weaknesses and make sure we're addressing louder please what louder louder okay but everybody's going to be talking we two microphones I know how to my voice okay
that's good cat all right so unless there's comments or questions before we start let's start so the first thing we as a group looked at was meaning to improve and upgrade infrastructure um in my mind that's all of the city's infrastructure um I think we have we've certainly been doing some of it but what is it we need to do
differently everybody yes what we like money likeing
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and that's why I think um we up a a dashboard kind of thing about where we are on projects and and it was already
working on one of those um and I've talked to Mr bonapart about my vision in that was more of a project timeline or a spreadsheet kind of thing here's the project here's the things that are supposed to be done and you know color it up here we are but I think what you're also bringing in is are we in terms of the funding for it and the sending for it because you every
year we do that big roll over um and so I guess my thought and when we do that is okay those projects didn't get done but you're saying what projects didn't get done do that okay so
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project what I've asked about is just you know a page on the web on the website here's the 20 project here the 20 biggest projects we're working on and you can get add Where We Are um and I would I think I might have suggested something like
this I focus on their expiration dates so to speak we've probably done an ass already where are we with how how old are they how long before things start to break
down are weating those at the department LEL have that that's that 50 million or 50 billion or whatever the dollar amount is that that Cindy always says this is how far behind we are and so I mean and when we see the
vehicle purchases come up and say it's met the requirement and that's something that got started probably 15 or 20 years ago but we don't have the big picture of course new person asking already ex person
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anything in terms of infrastructure particular later somewhere with treatment for 10 years Brady when he was oh it's going to be a whole new plan probably going to be State ofthe AR and every meeting we're approving another million dollars so I an assessment facili plan or
Master we' SP I think we probably spent enough on that plant in the last years and the decision the decision early on was let's replace all this stuff and I thought it was all going to rep do you think that Theiss during that time
but that comes back to what you and I talk about here previous uh City maners uh ran the city a little differently and on a this Gan here the former publics
director and now the new publics director have been handed these band-aided uh utilities and so they're trying to balance where where what do I need to completely replace or what can I keep milking along until we can talk about because this city can't take on projects at the same
time appreciate that because I know that historically we've done things a certain way and we can't change overnight but maybe we can start in that direction longterm Direction yeah because a couple of utility directors ago he ran it on a shoe string yeah yeah and you didn't replace anything until it was completely destroyed because just for instance u in my district um I had neighborhoods
that didn't have sidewalk kids were having walk road that was eight years ago why didn't we have neighbors neighborh there years' been playing luckily that one sales tax for I guess all of them and then fixing the sidewalks along
1792 we're not ADA Compliant just but that's infast struction and then in the 70s and 80s we didn't have any money yeah I mean they're just sometimes when I think about that I'm amazed that we have a beautiful wonderful City with not big big problems in spite of working on a h string budget no you know uh it gets lost lost in the frustration of the
now but but we've had some wonderful staff and leers in City going pretty well so we get frustrated about the sewage system or or water quality or the drainage or whatever but but we've had oh I appreciate Fair well what we've had we we just uh unfortunately we've been our group here
has been handed some major some major things um so yeah and that's good perspective Pastor I appreciate that because again coming in new these are the things that I think about right not having that history of how well we've done on a Sho string budget for a long time so we might still be far away from even being able to think about longterm Solutions well other than like the what
everybody said was is absolutely true but I do think that there's some things that we can do in house that we could have made more of a difference in the last 10 years because there's a lot of waste a lot of and I'm I'm kind of glad that the directors aren't here because sometimes I'm intimidated I don't want to say things things because I don't want the employees to feel like I'm sideswiping them but as a former employ a a commissioner who keeps her ears to the ground and I'm heavily involved I
see a lot of waste in our materials a lot of waste in our vehicles uh maintenance mechanics and then a lot of waste in time management um like Patrick is talking about sidewalks and trees and stuff I loved going out to uh work with the employees uh during an employee appreci we Appreciation Week I did notice that there was a I when we went out on the project we
were on Laurel and they were patching um theying in with millons no larger than this and there were 10 people on the job and I got out there at 8 I came back at like um 12 and then again at two because I was different visiting the different ones and there should be no reason why it's that many people on one job especially and at the most it really only needed three two heavy equipment
operators and then one other person I'm not getting on City staff but I'm saying our supervisors need to manage the time a little bit better so we can get more projects projects done in the city of Stanford a lot of times you know Cedric comes in and some other employees and they're frustrated which I totally get it because they're put under the fire we don't have enough employees for this and y'all call us in the middle the night but sometimes I want to say well there are some things that we could get done
better I'm not saying that everybody has to work 100% because that's not realistically realistic I'm not even saying 80 but if we gave 60% more than the 30 I believe that we're giving a lot of more projects could be done I I I when I saw all of those people there and I'm sitting there and seeing how long it takes you know the dump truck to come millings you had two guys to uh brush off the millings then another two guys
to just measure I was like literally for three hours your position is just to measure to make sure it's even the same people that smoothed it out could have measured then if you took half of that crew to work on another project then we could get things done I see that in utilities I see it in Parks and Recreation I I'm just like Mr bonapart who you know s He Walks from City Hall to Rotary in downtown I'm keeping an eye
on some stuff and I'm just like okay I mean I I totally get we're adding to Sanford and yes we do need more employees but we need to better manage our time we bought all of those meters and stuff when I go out to the yard on Fon I'm seeing a lot of materials and way stuff that we had just put out the meters that aren't being done we've got about million plus dollars of our um trucks just sitting
out in the the sun rusting and I'm watching it and watching it and watching it over the years and some stuff I've seen since the first day I went out there and did my my tour with B out what are we doing if that certain vehicle has not moved from my talk with B till the new person that we Mr Johnson what is it doing and if we're not using it how can we recycle get rid of it it's just a lot of ways and I think some of our infrastructure issues could be
handled could be done better we stop wasting time money and energy we are going to be making change if we're if since since we're
here and I know we all approve these things but again like I said we have so much going on I know each individual commissioner has a their own share I I always say district one is a lot but each of you all has a lot and you owe your residents you know a lot but we don't it's not enough time to really go through absolutely everything my point is is when we're improving the budget and things like that when I step back from it I'm asking again why we waste so
much money when I look at the City of Winter Springs when I look at the city of um uh Lake Mary none of their directors have a Tahoe why why does the city of Sanford has so much luxury our new trucks that I'm seeing the the F250s and stuff it's not like we're in you know Tennessee and on heavy terrain and stuff like that our big heavy equipment I get why we use those but why are we constantly why is there so much luxury in what our our
vehicles that we're using what does our and I hate to call them out but what does our uh utilities Public Works director what does the Taho do I know that you need to that uh our employees need to have a truck for when I mean a vehicle for when they're on call but you don't put a bunch of Shel in in the back of the TPO I think he has wondered the same thing why he inherited that right and I'm I'm not blaming it on
him I'm just saying overall but we don't I don't have the the the time to go through each individual thing I'm trusting that the process that Cindy Mr bonapart and that director goes through when they sit in the railroad Depot room they line item everything we we approve it because we trust our staff and our city manager and then there are certain things when it's like really big numbers and we're like wow why is that but I think there needs to be some more management it makes no sense to why we
have why were spending that much on certain things what was the need for the new upgrade to these big Chevrolet F250s I will say because my knowled that
Civ all that is State contract sometimes State contracts allow you a better price on and I lot of those those manufacturers put stuff out there for government purchase at a good deal that that you and I can't
get yes and the same thing is the state contract and as you said availability yeah so availability is a huge problem but can better probably can um other thing that I've always uh I brought up years ago um and and maybe it's time to look at again and this is a source of a lot of the stuff we're doing
internally could be done maybe more efficiently through contracts maintenance that Stu so we kind of started Outsourcing some of the uh grounds ke in lawn over the years but I'm not sure we've out soured enough we brought in ABM study stuff that they offer we take
advantage of so yeah maybe maybe it involves eliminating some positions we have but we also talk a lot about how many positions we need maybe some of these positions could be allocated other places we need do we need more uh feed on the street something we talk about a lot
right do we need more more ground etc etc um we could allocate some of our personel positions other positions that we Outsource some of this stuff of this stuff is done in a much better price privately
we yeah we do that with Parks some of the grounds like some of parks are maintained to a contract it's not City staff I that one of my concerns when we do that though is usually the Savings in price is because they're not getting benefits well now somehow Society is picking up their healthare and and all the other things
because they're not getting job so I think you have to balance that that was when we did the the big move to um private um waste pick up you know well the big difference in the salaries was they were getting paid hourly and that's it no benefits so well shouldn't we like focusing on doing one of the other I don't think that Outsourcing is really good but I think okay from here on out
we should do more outs sourcing versus more hiring of employees or do more employees and less out Outsourcing I think it's a a it's a waste to just say okay we're gonna you know we should Outsource more more Pro projects again A lot of times when we have these meetings and I appreciate what what Patrick was just saying is that about the availability but it but the
phrase that he used was a lot of times but often when things are brought to the the diet we say a lot of times but there's no facts in that right so we just push it to the you know underneath the rug because oh okay that's a good point but that might not actually be the issue here at the city of sfer maybe there it's not because availability maybe we are spending too much you know there isn't enough is just well that's the possibility of why we do it I don't I don't think it's fair for
anybody in this group to sit here who said that let's let's summarize INF structure and move on because we had some other good discussion that I think ties into some other things we'll pick
those up um so really in terms of infrastructure what we feel we need is a better graph on where we are and where we're going before we can really make any good decisions on anything yes okay all right so customer experience I think we are prioritizing it and I know we're taking some good actions there obviously again utilities is sadly taking the brunt of that but as
far as we can tell the right things have been put in place to improve that we'll definitely want to track it this time how's that been going I heard well pretty yeah pretty specifically he has taken he's got one person focused on taking calls that are were or are to some extent still dealing with pearl and getting a new meter
what's happening with my bill yada yada so that Focus I think is helping the other customer service reps do everything else they've also changed the uh the way the the phone tree Works which has improved significantly so I think we've seen some measures on that but we're talking broader all public perception of how um Fred falson saying was give them the pickle give they ask for the pickle give
them the pickle that's the second time in a week I've heard that um he said it a lot on topic well I appreciate that being from Pittsburgh where pickles were pretty big there he made the new employees watch that that video and I guess in terms of what what we can ask for um you worried about is I'm not sure we are doing everything
we can to develop that culture that we are customer service every single one and that all of our employees need to know that and I'm not saying that from any specific instance it's from well I asked this question this I was told was like well that's not really what you should been do so I don't want to nitpick and address every one of those but what can we put in place well educationally what
kind of training help me here what kind of training do we provide for employees when it comes to customer service ground and who to public SE ground they don't want person going ground
say because groundskeepers will be asked that kind of question that they're not expecting and I don't you know I'm sure we're not going to be talking about adding some additional training and spending more money on doing that but is there training that we're already putting the employees through where perhaps we could add one little subject to it something at the end that says now we're going to just talk briefly about customer service this is important I think when we've done a temperature check like throughout the city through our different departments social media
um and different districts you hear from the community that there is good customer service when even when residents are upset about sewer backups and and and and anything else they're always saying we love our city employees we see how hard they're out they're in the storm you even have uh residents that come out and bring them water and stuff like that um even the utilities department the ladies and one gentleman um well I think he's gone now um they do a really good job of
taking phone calls day in and day out sometimes they have to invoke the civility clause and just people don't want to hear that when their water has been turned off um and you know you're not as welcoming but that happens with any position at the end of the day when someone has been yelling at you about my water is off or my bill is higher than usual but I think our our our employees even the our our guys that you know do
the streets down um uh in the historic district or whatever they're kind they're friendly our businesses like them um the issue where I see in customer service is more in a supervisory issue when our developers have to come and talk to City staff in a supervisor role uh when they have to talk to someone in Utilities in a supervisor role in it in a supervisor role and I I know that you know we say we don't want to
nitpick Mayor but sometimes you have to because you point things out does not mean that you are attacking anyone we saying that there's an issue we need to address it going back to talking about the expenses or whatnot it's not me Patrick saying anybody is doing anything wrong There's issues we need to address it and there's nothing wrong with saying there's an issue it's never ATT on anyone and sometimes we should go and look at those those things and talk about it because I don't want to sit in
this meeting and we not address things and then we come back and got the same issues so what what is the issue that you see in customer service the the the first issue is is if my no is a no let it be a no okay so if I've gone through the the permitting process and you told me that I could not have this then it should be that's what the city ordinance says I cannot have it there's no reason that someone should come to commissioner Wiggins commissioner Wiggins goes to a meeting and now this problem can be solved the
problem needs to be solved without having to bring a city official without having to go to the city manager or anybody else you it's a waste of time it's either one answer or or no that's one of the the biggest things I I had to meet with them they said no and then all of a sudden we go to a meeting and then all of this understanding this is how we can work with you we have this new OB busman person blah blah blah and we can get it done did did it take for me to
have to stop what I'm doing to come and get this yes it should have been a no if it was a no when the developer came in that's one of the things Communication in response is a huge issue from those that have to deal with the supervisors it's like okay well I called you and I haven't heard that I had this many comments on my plan it's been you know of those it's been three months and I since I had a response why didn't now but if Claudia came with that person
they would get that done within the next day it's the culture of sambert that's creating that from leadership I think our employees when they meet with their staff with their um weekly meetings and stuff like that if they're directed to handle things they work well but who's telling them the the supervisors at the top you you need to change how you're doing things our employees underneath are getting
it right I I it's it's it's is it's our directors our superintendent and stuff like that and again I'm not picking on anyone or saying anyone isn't doing a good job but it's the leadership and then that comes from Mr bonapart setting the expectation the culture of we need to get things moving we need to treat others how we want to be treated pretend
like it's your money on the line every time you don't respond to a contractor to a developer that takes three three months that's three months I'm not able to open up my establishment three months I have to pay an additional engineer Blas Blas Blas let's treat others how we want to be treated if we don't have that culture here another part
ofer problem that sits there Grass Grows over it eventually they they come to one of us and call up and say hey why is this bar we were we're working on that we're supposed to do session such um but but we don't communicate to
to the resident that you know such and such is going on we're going to have to order parts we'll be back we forgot about it somebody said something the parts are on back order we're still working on it art we'll be we'll we'll be with you art Hold On Tight well we had a a major breakdown over here and and so we're another week out you know just just a little bit of followup sometimes um everything that comes has come up since then is more important
than that right you're you're in that uh email chain with Mr Peta uh that that's been going on for a couple of years now it's multiple issues but nobody ever gets back to him um and and then he's like well this issue still here this issue still here this issue still here well we're going to have to hire an outside contractor to come in and do this concrete work um it may take a while um
well we're going to have to get FPL to come out and fix this light um it may take a while yeah FPL we don't need to talk bad about FPL but maybe we say you know FPL sometimes has bigger projects they're working on and they'll get to your single light when they can and we'll follow up with them and make sure they get to it um so some of that FPL issue stuff I gota I gotta go back to staff over and
over and over and I'm not blaming staff they got to go back to fpl over and over and over really B but but maybe we need to make sure that we're keeping a list of yeah follow up with FPL and see if they fix this over here on crooked CL they fix this how do we keep track of of that list of items yeah don't both y right communication accountability so if I'm not held
accountability you take BL communication even if I'm not held accountable because I'm not communicating I'm not going to say nothing because it ain't going to come back to me notless one of us call to come and so if I'm not doing that then he catch r like you said those folks in those big uh High positions need to be have more accountable of you communicate like you
just said and you follow through and if there something's going on they should have I mean of course you all of us deal with they should have to call us and then we call him and then we find we get done where those people getting paid up money yall that should be doing it and they should have to call it right I've always been concerned that you know if I come in and ask some for something to be done I get treated better than than the
average res in a comp and I think that's human nature but something we have to to consciously try to avoid I said everybody was treated like that yeah and then um but I think you know in terms of the answer is always got to be yes or no I think there's a hierarchy there that okay in the the employee at the bottom of the the ladder they've got their their Lane I can do this or I can
do this okay but sometimes when it goes up higher it's like well I mean and in general the city tries to say yes to people on things we try to find a way to do it and the higher level employee may be able to find a way to do it that the lower level employee doesn't have and and you know talking about you know plans revie I don't want to plans saying ah well for this project we won't worry about that that's not they they need to follow the code but I think there's
value in being able to look at things with common sense maybe or do we need to change code or change the way we do so I think there's value in as you go up the ladder of um control that there is some flexibility but it should be the process maybe needs to be understood that that's how it works but I've
had back call that but I've had employees that were worried about what the recors might say someone that not you but Authority wise they were being lazy they were taking their time to make stuff to get done when it came to somebody want to build on something somebody want to move into business and so then we had to be called in and they jump right on and it shouldn't have to be there so I don't
think more so like you said I don't think more of a yes or no or more of again communication what's going on now somebody needs to be and they had they should have to come to us for us to call you guys that's accountability just like they hold us account and again then it come back on you and and I don't believe uh I say this I don't uh attacking all the time but when things are being brought and we ask you know again uh you the one sitting there
catching and they sitting out here you I don't mind saying that they're all here and I'm not saying all of them but I'm saying certain situations things could be done differ have I maximized all the opportunities that I could to make sure that this can be taken care of and have I communicated with them and say hey this is what we got going on we s it in the FBA we're waiting on them it's not us on hold up but we doing what we need to do on
our years years ago uh a former Sheriff um um started a policy in our agency of don't pass the bck okay and so if a citizen came to me when I'm out on the street and had a problem or an issue it was it was incumbent on me leave that person until their issue is taken care of no matter if I'm the guy that handles their issue or not um and and I kind of feel like maybe
that that is a possibility here don't pass the Pu because the reason I say that is in our Parks uh one of my parks in particularly there's a constant there's a constant Shuffle of oh well that's public works that's not that's not Parks oh well that's pars that's not Public Works um and you might be talking about a matter of 10et
apart uh we're squabbling over who whose territory that is um that that I'm getting you know after eight years I'm just getting a little tired of oh oh well commissioner that that's public works okay I don't care who it is can you can you just pass it along that we get it taken care of great um um and so that that comes back to the customer experience though um I like that I have I have constant folks
uh complaining to me about some of the same issues over and over and over uh and I feel like sometimes we pass the butt well that's FPL let me go let me go do my let me go do my work here no no let's get a hold of brand let's get a hold of n let's get a hold of Craig hey can you get a hold of FPL about or Jim or whoever person is can you call a p about this light over here I I just had a resident stop me and ask
me about it I'm not sure if they ask me while I'm out there on crooked Pine by the time I get back to the shop am I going to remember that have I taken a note have I made a call let's just go ahead and do it right then let's let's pass the buck on to the person that should be passing to Umstead of don't pass the buck it'ss really pass the buck to the right person right well but what what pass the buck means though is oh that's not my problem right yeah yeah
make sure the problem is connected to the person that can solve it before you move because the one and tell the person that that's what you're going to do the one Bugaboo that's bothered me last few years is oh we're short that oh we don't have enough help I'm not sure that's necessarily the case number one number two I I should not be telling Claudia that that's passing Buck Claudia I'm so sorry we haven't got this
taken care of yeah I'm going to talk to if I'm not the man I'm going to talk to the man or woman that I need to that to fix that problem um for you um I appreciate that but but instead we go oh well you we're short stuff you know just just be patient with that flooded yard you've got as I walk down the hall and complain to somebody else we're going we're going to get to it or just be patient with that broken
street light right where the kids get on the bus stop they're going to be okay we'll we'll eventually get to that light so did this topic come up as a priority because we think we need to do things differently are we looking for opportunities to again I'll take it back to training um do we have training for leadership that is lacking do we have an there with they just don't know good customer experience so most of them do but yeah
but um is there anything we can do there to improve customer experience from a supervisory or a leadership basis so I don't know where if this came from staff or if this came from Community survey yeah but we said it was number two we did okay so I've got because we're I'm kind of hearing here that I assumed issues with planning and business I assume that's where it came
from somebody else might have ranked it because of the utility stuff um yeah so so yeah regardless of why it's here uh is this are we talking about improving customer experience and if so how and at what level so what I have is we need to look at training we need to look at the decision making hierarchy or process so that if somebody doesn't get an answer
they like it doesn't jump that they're told here's if you don't like my answer here's where you go of thing um and then the don't pass the B don't forget I I think so many issues uh that that we
end up you focusing on dealing with racking our brains knock knocking our heads against the wall uh so many issues just come down to communication which we ranked as number four huh which we ranked as number four um I I uh I go back to I go back to when uh when I I was asking for uh um planning to maybe have a pamphlet or a brochure to hand out to people when when
they come in and maybe they're trying to restore a historic home here's the S codes here's here's what you're going to need to do uh they're coming in to open a new business here here's here's a guide for you it's not all encompassing it it doesn't cover all the the federal things you need to do but here in the city of Stanford this is the stuff we're going to need we're going to want etc etc um and and
even even on some of the issues that uh that have been mentioned again here today there's two sides to every story um and and so many times we get we get complaints from the same people same stuff and I don't want to go down the rabbit hole too far here but we've even had someone recently who lay blast us on social media okay but that same person
has a history of of not getting permits and US catching them and and doing stop orders on them um there there there's even there's even someone in the last few years that owns a business here in town that we know for a fact was was offering money to one of our inspectors that's no longer with us you know that issue um and so so a lot of times these people crying wolf are also the same people
going get around this and and and maybe some of y'all aren't aware of some of those things sometimes um and you're like oh my gosh I got to go help Mr Austin he's he's getting he's getting the real shaft from the city well maybe not well I don't think staff uh feels like they can share a lot of that information with you um but
sometimes Sheena knows more about XYZ location than than Patrick knows sometimes Patrick knows more about ABC than and Carrie knows um and so I think sometimes your perception is oh my gosh why are we getting this done and my perception is Maybe yeah and it even goes back very early on uh very early on in my career a big name here in Sanford a
gentleman involved with the city a gentleman had done a lot of good work in the city was well known and well respected um had an issue with with the same same folks upstairs and when I when I got involved and I got into the the nitty-gritty on it they had done what they were supposed to do and it was it was and some of this stuff is is required by state law yeah and so staff can't do things until Art
meets state law and if art hasn't done that one thing staff staff's not going to do anything and that's exactly what had happened with that long respected gentleman who everybody thought the world of hadn't done what he supposed to do that's why I was still sitting here six weeks later I do get that impression that uh in a lot of cases is it's the fact that the requesting person has not done all the followed all the right steps sometimes I might think are the
steps confusing right uh but in a lot of cases maybe they aren't and they just haven't done it but perception is reality and that's where the new person hopefully comes involved because for years I've been asking upstairs did we follow up with she she didn't she didn't have the right seal on these follow with she she that her engineering S I don't know what the issue is whatever the issue might be did we follow up with her did we let her know wi all this to saying all this
with why I would say it would good both way uh first of all it would allow our CI come TR to get first second it would allow the people who supposed to do it to be held to account now you can't go back and say uh I I
because I've heard Lord know numerous times folks have cut me and say well they said this they said that I did this but this was you see what I'm saying so now I have something that I've given you that I said is what you're supposed to do I can come in I show you now what has have to the accountability to these folks that are supposed to follow through because we know side now they know this is what's written down on and I got to follow through
as I mean come on none of us are perfect and but if you ain't held accountable to things at time all of us but all of us have to make sure that we accountable for what we doing and speaking of um planning issues does everyone know you can create an account in citizen serve and go in and look at every project and see what the comments actually are like so when somebody on Facebook says the city's
been holding me up and and it's all the city's fault the city's horrible and everybody at the city should be fired and you can go in and say oh well you waited five months to respond to the comments they don't tell you we our staff does not share that on social media when somebody developed something and they've changed their mind three times and then done some infrastructure with out per minuts and then blame the city don't go back and share that y'all can respond on Facebook I don't so one two three I don't know if you going join
CL I'm never going so they they can come call me and talk I'm never doing yeah but our constituents expect that from certain districts they do and they tag us yes they do they tag me too oh they tag me too but ladies and gentlemen to wrap it up so that we go on Disney World is still the most magical place on Earth yes my soda is $50 yes I've been standing in the line for an hour for a 5sec ride yes it it takes all day for me to
park but the narrative is it's still the most magical place on Earth no matter what sford you the the the permitting Department the development services still needs to have The Narrative of we have the red carpet we communicate we follow up because then if people say stuff then somebody else comes back and say well that wasn't my experience when you're reading that social media when you're meeting with different developers and stuff like that like how for
instance I brought three different people to come talk to you all not just one angry uh business owner a new business owner an affordable housing uh developer and an established business so you all can see that it's a bunch of different people even though I know you all have these conversations The Narrative needs to be that city of Sanford is easy to work with and we are open for business business and that is not it there's always going to be someone that is going to complain about everything that's what life is but
that's not the story that is out there the story is I don't want to come work with the city of Sanford I'd rather go find a parcel in any other city than the city of sford we need to be magical no matter what all of the issues are underneath but with respect some of the ones you brought in had called their own problem again yes but it it's it's the teamwork that that when I sit in the meetings I don't come
in and just be like I work for uh you the people I'm listening to Tony I do my pre meetings with Tony and Angela I had an issue this week with Kim Fogo went in there and talked to them but again the temperature changes when I'm in the room right we find ways to understand things yes they had they did have issues but they were also able to point back at the city there's no way ever I ever want to get on employees I love them just that much but again the
narrative is that we're not easy I haven't heard one person or one to say I my process with development services was great I don't even I would I haven't heard one say it was just good I had somebody tell me yesterday hallelujah oh yeah they don't exist I asked asked for it in writing no but I'm saying but I hear great stuff about utilities even though utilities has been my biggest issue I hear I love
Cedric yeah I hear that I have heard not one positive thing about development services okay but I I I can bring you a couple of business owners in district one that have done business elsewhere that will tell you Stanford is way better so it always needs to be way better right uh we have business owners that have opened up businesses in other areas that thought we weren't good and then they go man y'all are all right
so it's perspective we're going to have some folks that that have bad taste we should we should aim to never have anybody have bad taste but regardless we're going to have some folks that have bad Tes how do we is there a way to to communicate to citizens without naming names or any specific situations here are some metrics on
issues that come into us and the percentage of them where the customer didn't follow all and that's something I've asked for kind of sort of kind of sort um I want I want that's what we need no I I want the numbers uh put out on social media of of how long how long it takes to get a permit we have those numbers and and so we're hitting a certain metric of of 20 days or or whatever it
is be right be yeah which Tony has given up he said that we are in compliance but I want that on social media that's the that's what the hell we should be doing need to change the perception The Narrative needs to and the other thing I've asked for on social media is um the let's lay out social media this is what you need to do to get XYZ done I I still have people asking me about fence permits yeah we
don't do that no I had a conversation a couple of meetings ago with Tony about the possibility of creating a couple of different workflows here's the example of a workflow where everything goes right and you're following all the steps here's an example where you're getting stuck and a lot of people are getting stuck because they going here instead of there if we if he created something like that we put it out in public and if we could and maybe would maybe this where we internally push something that doesn't happen because maybe perception
is reality here are all the requests that come in here's the percentage of those that followed the rules did all the steps right and got what they wanted versus this number where they're complaining but they didn't do everything because we hear that internally but that's not going to affect the perception from the public right right yeah because the ones that that are not getting their way or the ones yeah is that a small percentage that just complain let me interrupt real quick because we're a third of the way
through our time we're on item two and a half do you all want to continue as we're going knowing we won't get to everything or do you all want me to push us to move back push move push us okay what are you doing over there all right so um customer service training um hierarchy of decision making don't pass the bck um better posting of things on social media to change the narrative correct got everything yes
okay opportunities for Community Assistance um you know in my mind we've got two things we've got people who need help and what is it our job to do to help them and we have people coming in and affecting our community and what do we do to protect our community and those are H completely opposed so I don't want people sleeping on the streets but I don't want to build them a place to
sleep I don't want people panhandling but I don't want to feed I I have no idea how we Sol this what do we do I got to hear y'all on that because I mean I know I know commission BR me haven't talked yet I know she said at the last meeting that for us sit down talk uh now the picnic project in her district with they house at the church I don't control
that my food giveaways are in my district um but fairness to to that where I have them at there's no one we don't have any homeless folks around or either home coming in um perfect example I also I do that years with my nonprofit I do it once a month now too so we do it twice a month
guys a lot of the people that actually do come back to our f giveway are people like you and I uh even when I even when I talked to you know a few of the principles and they were like you know here U are you just sitting this out for uh our uh families in need like know us verybody like thank you because a lot of our teachers need
grow but it's it's fact and so when we do it I stopped saying when folks come through the line and uh BMWs and q45s and all these type of 224 vehicles and they're probably getting groceries and some reg MH so I would you know I don't I don't have other than and I'm never going to go for this and and
they know that the mission I'm never going to push for anything that's going to allow us to bring more hous my this that's going to bring more hom F that ain't fat and I love everybody but I mean hey and I support I support Kristen but I'm not going I support what they have now and I told yall that publicly before but I can't support anything that's saying hey we going to bring in more housing that's going to give them an
opportunity because I mean we already d right and I'm not going to uh open that up and you know you know Chief and I have talked I've talked to sheriff Lemma uh about other agencies bringing in you know homeless folks or giving them passes bus passes and drop some Miss and what it really dump out and what I'm so bothered by I think public the place across the street from the mission you
got to you got a liquor store yeah now how you telling me how much you really care you got a liquor store across the street from the Miss um so we already know that the city of sord has done it share in Simo County we know that right so I think that we need to put I don't to stop but a limit I know that we Tony was telling me that there was an ordinance or something like that we have our our our Community Partners like the
picnic project who are organized well known um acknowledged in the community let's say we work with them what's happening now and we've already talked about this in our work session so I won't go too long on it is because feeding the homeless is sexy it's something you can take a picture of you have data I fed this many people this many Lo grocery so nobody really wants to think outside of the box of how can our organization assist commissioner Wiggins and the picnic project what could we set
aside set aside to assist them they have a centralized location even though I don't want all of our centralized locations for those in need to be in District Two I want to say that but however since that is one of the projects there I think we need to encourage partnership with an established organization trustworthy books are clean blah blah blah blah blah um that we have a connection with and work with them and saying unfortunately
no we do not allow public seating in residential areas we do not allow public seating at the you know churches outside of their regular service hours because people are saying go to sber here's your bus ticket get out of here go to sber there's a mission there there's the um Health departments here here and here um in Patrick's area oh my God we had churches going out you know giving
condoms and clean needles why do I if I want to live off the grid I'm going to stay in District 4 there's a lake here where I can clean myself up that I have a community that I trust even though I'm trespassing but you're going to give me everything I need to do that we have to say you cannot do that I had a meeting with the former pastor of action Church about you know the the proning count um I had a a a meeting with one of the churches in Orlando that used to come to sber and bring people uh to Orlando for
their big Easter Service and whatnot um again the it's the intention is good but it is also a a negative effect that we have to answer for when it comes to our residents their safety quality of life property value Etc and at Point especially with our new you know governing law about the campaign if we don't stop it now we are going to
continue to increase you know here and again we know that it's an issue har made a great Point some of those people are us however we are supporting a lot of people who are not in our community but Claudia did you have a conversation at C by chance I they brought it up at count and more or less said I understand that we are Sanford we do have the
mission we do a lot of support but I also would love it if all of the cities were participating in trying to solve this problem and I got a push surpris from who from a certain manager of a certain city that has two names in it with the one that hosted who has been quoted as saying we send them to
sford but hold on let me ask you this are you saying that telling the churches St I'm saying find other projects because because what happens now and I I have no problem with calling out my district you have people now they saying okay we have a location and and Thursday we're going to feed the Homeless come line up here and now it's like okay well we have a tent and you can also you know get a um Co shot and
then somebody they they they encourage other people to come because people are there that's increasing numbers also what's happening is if I'm only doing it on Tuesday and Thursday and you don't know you just got out of jail or you know you just came out of whatever you're just walking the neighborhood on Wednesday because you don't know actually what day and then you're pulling cans out of the trash and then all of a let you appear in somebody's backyard because you're wondering right I'm saying now we've got to say we have yes I'm saying to the
churches to the public service providers no in Sanford not anymore because I I get that but if we don't if we don't do it and other cities have no problem with saying no because listen we're inviting we are so you want you don't have a problem with doing it in Sanford because they're not going to bother us you wouldn't take that to he no there's bance I'm not no guys I'm not I'm not U I'm not disagreeing I mean in
other in other cities there are churches doing that they the homeless situation we ain't going to stop but there are other churches in s County that are servicing spring because again only uh folks that don't have food they got nothing to do with they National me right I'm just saying that I want to see what you all come up that's why I say I don't have that answer so I want to see
what you that's why I'm asking I want to see what you guys are talking about to see what you going to do because I see it all the time we have to stop making it not easy because we want to help everybody I think we've all said it at the dice we've all been a check away right however you can't I feel for Patrick's District you can't keep going in there and making it comfortable right so that's we have to say have a a conversation with let's say I'll call out action church because I don't think
that they mind I'm not you know saying anything negative but we have to have the conversation with them is there something else that you could do because this is creating an issue where I know you would I know your focus is on help but it's also hindering so what other project could you come up with could you work with Simo County Public Schools and their their uh food pantry could you do that that way you're still helping like
you want to be if you're trying to be like Christ you're still doing that but we want to also make sure that you're being a good neighbor while you're assisted and we have to have that are we able to are we able to do that to the church are we able to stop I don't think we can stop them from doing it on their property I wonder if we can't stop them from going out into the woods saying how can we stop but but here I just want to put this in there's a fine line between
hoping I agree of enabling people to not even want toy get better they don't even need to try to get better know they coming because we know that on Tuesday we're going to get this and Thursday we going get this and and we're going to keep managing maybe
we get a I don't know where they get these vouchers or cards or whatever and they can stay at one of the what are they call the lodge what are The Lodges called transient Hotel um so they get a c to be able to stay a night or two here there and and they move on down the road long has a fantastic facility there at the Sharing Center I I would love to have a conversation uh I don't know if it's you
or you I'd love for yall to have a conversation with them and Longwood how that facility affects them and how they deal with the the comings and going of folks over there I've talked to them some and and you can't hang out you come and then you leave okay and guys the k we need to find out how we're a if we able to stop anything second of all the ones that you all are talking because we
talking about two different types right again we talking about some that are in need and then we talking about some again just in just whatever yeah I don't care you know I don't but what can we do as far as what you're saying and stopping some of these churches and some of these organizations uh to tell them C goes back to communication the conversations that we're having if we're saying this is
this is the issues that we're facing and we're asking you the community help us help you okay these are these are the struggles that we're facing and Tony said that we did there was something that we had in place before um but again I don't know all of those things and we're explaining the reason why the city has to take this approach is because of our new C you know ordinance and then what what we foresee will happen in the future with people break dropping off people
ear it's like if you make it what is this the state me if you make it they will come you're seeing people that are saying okay I'm going to go to the mission there's no room at the mission so they're hanging out I have a substance abuse so what I'm so what happens now is the people that can cater to the substance abuse are now also trinkling to your area because I know those people are going to be coming you know and that does not help you build a you know have an economic impact or boost on historic goboro or any of that
because we're not changing the culture of it and unfortunately we have to say no we're taking a different path to helping those so like I said I sit back and see what and I'm not disagreeing with everything that said by YouTu I just want to see you you guys say do I can let you know if IE I mean say it's two different type of f folks that really do need and
taking advantage of well we're not going to be we're not going to be able to to to have them fill out a qualifying form or provide you know whatever so we're always going to have that balance of of some maybe uh taking adant some desperately need know going to have that in between um I I do think uh I do wonder if we're doing enough as
a city uh to help uh our our our residents um if if we could be doing more um you know like the projects you do um I have tried to do some in my district and and I get nothing but kick back because we're funded District blah blah blah blah blah um you got area over there that you can get
event this I think M Mr bonart and I Craig Mr R Niki Osburn and um two of our C officers met about two weeks ago we started conversation of having conversations with our public service providers and identifying what our issues are so when AR is saying okay
well we're talking about all of this but what can we what can we do to address it again the first thing is the communication conversation with them so if you have someone that comes to you commissioner Wick and say Hey I want to do something for the community okay then in that conversation you talk about the picnic project and and they say well I want to do it at my church on Wednesday night well sir that that doesn't really help us you know but is it something that you're willing to work with the picnic project city of Longwood with the
Sharing Center they have everything in one Central Li right so you start here you can go get your food you can go get train in you go to their little thing or whatever and and and and then you're out the city of Sanford we just got stuff everywhere well that's why I've suggested that I think it would be helpful for us to have Place really centralized location and everybody knows to go there that would be awesome we got we got we got any place You' ever thought of that we I've
thought of a place I haven't F that would be awesome I to be perfectly honest the middle of the Walmart Park my Walmart yeah okay yeah bring more to my well no but okay congratulations but think about it it's they're there anyway and it's at the they're not all there bless them I'm lening that's why see I knew I never should have said where I was thinking but it's if it's a good idea
it's a good idea I'm just messing but if you do it if you run it like and I'm not and I'm not really thinking of a a full thing like um the Sharing Center but you know a you know phon showers laundry um not not handing out food but you know where you meet with somebody to get Services hey but hold up but would the rest of the ten have to be okay with that oh yeah that's why I the sheriff got that whole area there right they R
district and I'll take it from you they didn't they didn't start you got some empty build yeah I know she got a huge empty building yes I do let take a part of that going for you but I but I do I but yeah it's privately owned and all the businesses out there would such no it's such a delicate act I I've worked in orge county for 30
years as of March um 20 of those years I was on the street working on the street whoa wait a minute um I worked in apka I worked in East Forge County I worked downtown Orlando I've worked all over the area I've worked are that had um had homeless and have worked in are uh where the services are is where
the homeless H out where the homeless hang out we have a higher incident rate overdoses drug dealing prostitution etc etc I want us to be mindful of
but not we have a wonderful shelter in Goldsboro but I know and this gentleman sitting next to me know that that brings in some some what I will call some wells um we have a wonderful uh Church down here has a wonderful based out of
there that does a lot of great work but they bring in some n wells that have called issues beautiful Parks we spent a lot a lot a lot of money they' caused issues uh taking stuff from homes scooters whatever
there's and I'm I'm I'm as much of a bleeding heart helper as anybody else donate to several organizations that help this cause there's not a magical cure I've been to the town downtown orl facilities they helping some folks just just make it a
circuit know somehow it Lear being around F guys you got together and and I and I ain't trying to
go spiritual I'm just telling y'all all all us want to be loved and appreciated some of them folks look at them like f because again you right you said earlier no I'm just saying we got to take a uh take a lift down and see who who's really in being handicapped by just giving stuff but some of these folks just a sense of of just come around around care about
it's more than just a grocery I'm telling y'all so this is a very hard decision I mean I know we got to do something because I'm listening at you guys and like you know you said about doing something like they do down uh heing Center but but where I mean what about by the mall okay me now behind Chick-fil-A there is the Goodwill and then there is the uh Thrift what is it boys room Bo no it's Teen Challenge te
There You Go Teen Challenge right there's ample room there to provide another building if you have the Goodwill and you can provide an an additional service now I know that there has been homelessness in the Woods by the but that's when you create an area where you can get service but you don't stay here Longwood even though they provide all of those Services right there they encourage you to move on because they they have centers for each
issue that you're dealing with right yeah so you can go and get your food you can get your clothes you can get therapy get your job yeah tutoring I mean we've all done the the tour up there and then you can get lunch and then they give you an opportunity to get some air with their little picnic session on on the side right but there's so much lingering and they don't have a station where people are after you know the lights are down people are still camped out there so we just have to kind of you know
piggyback on what they're doing here and I think out by the mall could help because there's not much residential on that side even though that that's your District but it's it's mixed between the county and uh District FL right um but we don't we don't have an organization that wants to do that but at least I think the Sharing Center would be interested in a second facility I've talked to them about that my district I'm good with that that would be awesome
well at least what we're doing is is having the conversation so when we have the conversation with the public service providers we can say these are issues concerns and what are you thought thinking about maybe okay so because I brought this up before and there wasn't much enthusiasm are we interested did and because I'll go back to the Sharing Center and talk to them again interested about a facility somewhere in Sanford we just have to figure out where yeah I
like I mean the idea we're used to just um interestingly um I work with a a group very tangentially um that does a table Ministry down in Golden some friends of mine started it and they asked me to be on their board and they meet at the Golden Rod Civic Center um on Thursday nights that's not that big of a spot don't let no it's not big they have 60 people Inno they have
60 people but they do the dinner but you know they come in everybody spreads around the volunteers are at table it's getting to know each other sort of become a community but it's like you know they find they they help get people into rehab that you know they're really doing Services too but that's so that's what that group's doing I was there one night and somebody was going to need a ride home and he told me he was staying near the
racetrack so right where you're talking about there is a yeah that's his home how does this look thanks but he found another place to stay so I don't bring him back anyway but I mean but somebody from I mean he had come from there all the way gotten down to Golden but then was going right but I'll go back to the Sharing Center plus Claudia you're starting with the um Commission on homelessness yes and then we have the organization that Nikki has the group
that meets which is some of the providers but not probably not the ones we really need to talk to but maybe we can get more of them to come to the table thank you all for coming wait you're leaving us already found the solution okay thank uh Mrs Wiggins thank you for coming I love you we love you too
okay yeah but that's still I mean there are apartments right behind there that's the problem is I can't it it is the neighborhood behind there's some commercial and I think they do I drove through on um the
last time I was down there I went around behind and there was evidence we know we going get whatever we get go get so okay service is be all right this obviously a huge problem we don't have a solution um and I appreciate what you're saying about a certain percentage of the homeless who don't want to leave they want to stay
where they are a certain percentage but we do need to consider those who there are too many roadblocks from them leaving where they are to becoming successful and the one meeting I did attend one meeting with the Coalition and a lot of the conversation was about these large percentage and we all know this it's mental health um we can't solve those problems either but coincidentally Norton we were talking about the PBA meeting next Wednesday and
I'm going to try to get to that because the speakers are all going to be from the health organizations so maybe we can just I can kind of direct them to please don't forget about the fact that a lot of these issues deal with mental health and can we what can we do as a city to address that issue because if we can address that that gets to I think the majority of people who are homeless I think we're doing from what I
understand we're doing well with the veterans because those percentages are dropping and that's a good thing but but they consistently talk about the mental health issues because it's one thing to say it's comfortable for me here to stay but it's another thing to say okay let's make you uncomfortable but now what right how do we get you back we don't have somewhere else we don't have the now what let's but let's not lose focus of uh some of these issues are not necessarily city government is supposed
to be involved in and so s county has done a lot of good things they've got a lot of good things going but maybe there are times when Sanford could do more maybe there are times we could allocate that res I don't know
how that's that's a drop bucket we were hoping all the other cities were going to contribute 25,000 the one with two names was supposed to I don't know no and I understand that I couldn't even get to that part but you know what I can sit in my house and uh and maybe quit one of my two jobs and wonder you know are my parents going to come along and help me is car going to come along and help me so and so
going to come along and help me or am I just going to help myself so I worry sometimes that we worry too much about why isn't so and so doing so why aren we just doing more and so and so why isn't just doing more let's quit worrying about what so and so is doing what so and so is not doing let's just try to maximize what we can uh are there are there opportunities
out there for sford to take the lead or partner um are there are there other funds that sford can help get U grants organizations focus on this kind of stuff we we we we help make the difference and I have two two ideas I want to throw out and then we need to move on um years ago and it was mainly
because of the what was going on in the historic district and how we were trying to change that we did away with the ability to rent accessory dwelling units okay you can only have someone that's essentially related to you you cannot rent it them um I'm wondering and we have a lot that are rented anyway I'm wondering if it's time for us to revisit that code
and allow accessory dwelling units if it's a homesteaded property so the person who owns it has to live there so you can't build another Shack on a property so you can have two rentals but if you live there you can have a rental unit and that's not going to have a big impact but it does have two impacts one it helps people pay their mortgage and two it provides some affordable housing that's our
umiss we're about to approve approve all of our look at our new ldr regulations that's coming for us and and I had no idea that that was even in there relationship that that you could you know out there so what I'm hearing y'all say is y'all think we should be doing more I think I if I'm say wrong I think more him saying more is work my everybody
else but that allows us to be Abus okay what I hear is sort of the track you're going with and less sort of rally the groups that are doing things and get them headed in a better direction do that for sure but but then would it help if we had our own Center would that help the issue okay would it help the issue if we change our
our code on um accessory dwelling units and the other one I brought it to Nikki um there's a thing Orlando somebody in Orlando had gotten a grant um I forgot what the dollar amount was and they were supposed to be able to help I'll just make up numbers 50 people and they managed to take 200 people off the streets because the grant was so wide open they was like oh your issue is you don't have a way to get to some other state where you have somebody you can live with here's your bus ticket we
don't have to go through a bunch of red tape we can do that right okay oh your only issue is you have a job but you can't come up with a deposit here's the deposit um and and we we would have to draw that money from somewhere but I think they did with a couple hundred thousand dollar right and we're able to pull I think there's like 200 people off the street in Paramore what Patrick said makes a lot of sense and I'm I'm not debating it Patrick but it's like when you're
driving you cannot just drive and pay attention to the road yourself you like I teach my daughters you have to drive for you and the people that are driving beside you right so I'm afraid if we just say well we're not worried about what other cities that gives we create more we're working harder and other cities saying well we don't want that's not an issue we want to deal with and then we continue to be the place that you go and we're trying to we're trying to streamline things make it better
we're hiring grant writers and all of this stuff I'm I'm just afraid that we will continue to be The Dumping Ground and then how do you expect site selectors to come to go BR and say I want to develop well but with all due respect we are the poorest city in the county we have the lowest uh priced housing in the county they have the lowest rents in the county um so so a family or or an
individual is barely making it they're going to come to samp and when they can't make it anymore they're in they're still in s um so yes are there some that are being uh brought to us or there some being sent to us absolutely we have a lot of Our Own they're on that bubble sometimes fall off the bubble and sometimes by the grace of God they stay above the bubble so that's my point
um from from from now until until our time has ended um Sanford is going to be seen differently than than some of the other cities see themselves um you know we're not going to be able to rewrite that Legacy we're not going to be able to rewrite that book but what we can do is
maybe handle it differently handle it better um and be a little more compassionate and how we go about some I don't I'm not saying sh we going tell all over City we don't need y we just going to take Le no we still want the assistance that's what you're saying right we still want the assistance but let's do what we can do and just keep moving and and and you know we can still
ask him to come on and things that if whoever going to do something other cities but we know how that you at the me but we've been watching for years now but that don't mean again we just go ahead and do what we need to do you again I keep telling you I'm not going to fight against if I I me I'm a keep like I said what I'm doing with big what we doing with B project when I do what I do our food W
yeah there people just like us come through the line um and that's the reason too I have those young guys out there CU I like those guys to be able to see that again it ain't just some of those guys are baffled they like man we thought was just homeless folk we thought was just folks keep it real Black Folk and when they saw folks coming through them they freak them out you know what they doing that's brand
new and they're like whoa and I would tell you guys everybody want you never know when your time so when you say Let's Take the Lead when you say okay well let's see communication let's see what these folks are saying we want to be able to try this me help we ain't telling you to stop doing I'm telling you the churches ain't going to stop but if we can communicate you see which ways we can work together I have no problem this uh new the Sharing Center
idea the Sharing Center as commissioner Britain was saying I think is uh they they go through stations to get the help they need but it's not a place to sleep right right so it's what we don't have in Sanford now because the rescue mission is more I mean what's the difference between the rescue mission and the sharing Cent rescue mission is a shelter where you a shelter although they have started doing much more in terms of services okay and trying to
connect people but the Sharing Center they have a thrift shop they have a pantry they have showers they have laundry facilities they have a training center you can go into a program and and be trained to get a job is that like the one that's south of seol State College on 1792 yeah okay and and in the mission wants to do something like that no not the Miss they can't do it there I said no
okay they want to do something now now some of the things that they do the mission are doing they try to help prepare them to being there for so long help them with a job things of that nature uh their family because once upon a time if I created in this world they would have the women inside watch I sometimes men that had
children so now they made it where Bal because out of the safety they wanted to make sure but they had kids they had so they they didn't add on but they took some of the children's side children mother's side they made but again uh you when you see uh when you need help you see with you and they'll show you and like I said the rest of
these Cy this rest of these cities they just start not doing anything they know what we got going on that's why I say what he say is hey let's just do what we can on our end we can't worry about what everybody else doing yeah the perception as far as just anecdotally the perception in the cities the whole count is it's really not a big homeless problem here as far as the whole County goes well live came us it was
beautiful young lady and the woman was from Alabama again that's the only thing that I'm saying yes we are helping yes it paper data is pictures but how are we helping how are we helping our and when he does all kinds of presentations it's great and I appreciate it but it's always somebody that came here thought that thought it was Disney World and that was from his presentation and you know and then we
help them get better that's the only part that I have an issue with with us more services and being more providing we're helping people that that are not res see so many people that Liv in your District baby that are not from s to be from Alabama and they don't like you feel what I'm saying so that's why I say when Pat said hey here we can't put down who taking advantage of it who's abusing
it we just need to do what we need to do the best way we possibly can to help and if people take to but if they don't let's just put it out there that's why I say I get with you and whatever you feel if it's going to be something that I see you can help I'm going do it we need to move on last comment there's there's a difference between offering fresh food now food
drives your food drives aren necessarily geared unhoused more geared to folks that need F their home wher they may live take it back maybe keeping them becoming maybe to the next pay so so we're talking
about uh a couple of different Avenues of helping help I do have Martha R scheduled to come and speak to you on the 24th who she's very good okay how much I about that all right so um do we need a
break okay um communication I we've already hit on this repeatedly oh okay so we're going to look at changing our code on adus we're going to continue with um commissioner Britain's um plan on working with the
organizations and try to bring them in through the homeless task force um and encourage better Partnerships we're going to look into um what are our regulations on feeding in public um and I'm going to talk to the Sharing Center about a possible okay all right so communication we've already talked about how do we track things in terms
of when somebody asks for something to be done how are we keeping track of that and getting back to them we've talked about the brochures and decision trees I really like the workflow idea um we' talked about posting things to change the narrative um I'm I'm wondering of a lot of this is going to depend on the new position I was I came around the corner and there's a new wall upstairs
yeah for the digital media specialist I about walked right into it whoops bring the meeting on Monday okay okay and his wife is in Citizens Academy okay should we have I mean we already talked about it but we didn't kind of talk about it um and and Patrick was bringing it up a lot like what does this person do you know could we if they're going to come to us or at our work session you know quickly state to them what our expectations are in in
addition to what their their their duties are what we're looking before and I think we would say we are looking for you to put out the narrative of what the city is doing rather than us reacting to com on social is that one of them yes myg thing isual because a lot of times we say
communication yeah but the city does we do put a lot on the website right you can go right now in under development services and development in progress but yet you'll still have to go on S7 that says what's going in such and such right however constant feed if we're on a tick tock like you know communication of highlighting this is where it is versus saying it's on the city website because even me as an employee as
someone that's you know governed by the city I don't know exactly where to go all the time but if it's constantly out there hey guess what's coming you know this is what's here the the new person needs to also do a temperature check themselves they need to constantly be on social media um I know we always get tagged but I know a lot of us are also just reading and not commenting so we see what people are saying that person needs to see that and to pick up people are constantly complaining about this so
let's make sure that we're constantly putting out information about this so there's no more guessing we already know what's going in by the mall the city just posted it or somebody can say they just posted that yesterday you know that that thing doing a temperature check you know quietly and then getting the information out vers us always saying let's just put it on the website yeah it's on the website how do you know not many know this person's actually will be responsible for the weite I think our website the website is
passive information so that that is so great that the people who who didn't fight against getting this person and now we got somebody in in perfect time boy I tell you boy I tell you oh all I saying is that the person that was in theat could have did it but that's all I'm saying yeah yeah I our website is very difficult to navigate and find things it's better than some cuz I've been looking at others I frequently just go to the little search thing and type
in and it and I can get to it that way but there was no link it it definitely needs a cleanup because it does give this sense of something that's been building building building and then nobody's taken a bigger picture look at it and said is it now not navigable and we also they also need to be updating content on the website because I think it was the the marina the information somebody asked about the marina and I went to the marina the site and it's like well this is what we said two years ago I don't ever go to our website for
any information and I don't think I'm unlike 90% of our no no no and you're right uh nobody uses websites anymore nobody looks up the website is it is passive it's good for new people who want to know everything that they haven't known before but once they know that we need a more and that's what we have we just need to approve it the active presence on social media to sheena's point putting something on
there regularly if it's this is this week's hot button issue because a lot of people are talking about it so here's some current information about it with and here a link to the background information in the website we put time into the website we should use it but it can be a specific link based on the topic that we're putting out in social media this is probably all something our new person's going to already know and be planning on do I think for your interview didn't
they bring in some ideas of what they were going to do with the website okay so anything else under communication which I it also talks about internal Communications right yeah what do we do better there internally and that is obviously from staff putting that in there I I wonder I'm not trying to dump more on you but I wonder I is the city manager's report
given to staff every but is it the city manager report from the anyway so I mean they don't know other right right right but that's my point I uh staff member of Public Works might not know what what so and so's doing that's
I think it needs to be well I think it needs to be a little more broad than that I think it needs to be sent out to all employees that have an email um at least um but first of all second of all I I don't think it would take that much to print it out hand it out that's a lot of paper that's a lot of paper and I think it's really long also and I think we all need to do a better job of saying here's
stuff that okay let me finish if it's not the same report you give us then maybe you need to do a monthly what's happening in sord to the staff do you that's who can make that can all the staff make that exactly
that's and that's a way of taking the what you get from the leadership in your city management Court condensing that to a higher level summary and a more consistently presented summary to all the employees what because some of some of the report is very useful and it's clear and it's good and another it's just a list list list list that's
whyc meeting because you you still have the X-Men meeting after the commission Mee right okay so I don't know why we not y'all not discussing what goes on in other departments at the Xmen meeting at the Xmen meting right so that's what I'm saying can you say okay so from instead of what is it from 10 to 12 you know can you add that part of I know i' I I heard
I used to hear departments going around the room I KN I know that I sat sat outside the room for five years so the the thing of that communication between the Departments I don't understand how that's not happening because you have the X-Men meeting talking about different things now I know that you all do Focus I know that you do focus on what actually happened at the commission meeting what the commission stated what they want to you know bring back I'm just asking is it possible for you that that part that Patrick was talking about
in the communication to add that into the X-Men meeting because you do that twice a month my my point is is that I'm not I'm not convinced that Director X leaves your meeting and goes and have a staff
meeting with this staff or her staff hey what we discussed on this is where we're at whatever I don't think in the deeper dive into that survey that
was some of the comment about the in communication we don't know what's going on further up the line that was my point and so I like the idea of distilling this down somehow to the email to the staff well the only reason I say PR is as we learned on the evaluations and other things not every
employee has a computer at their ready not every employee logs in every day we have a lot of different employees that do a lot of different jobs that don't require a lot laptop or computer are we making sure that we get the information to our staff our employees that they would like to have apparently not according to that survey so I'm not crazy here
um you know what can we do when when I worked at the city we had our Mee my director was Mr park right in those meetings we talked about the city
manager Office because that was the city manager Office meeting I'm thinking what I'm hearing you say Patrick is in addition to that then you discussed some other things that's happening around the city and not just what what's happening is they have a commission meeting the X-Men meeting and then the X-Men that director from X-Men meeting filter out what they need to take care of and then they have to meeting with their employees only focusing on what that department needed I'm saying I think I'm hearing you say okay in addition to that
just give a little report of Sanford as a whole this department is working on that so everybody knows that you know this is this is happening I think what's what's happening is we kind of like we're filtering it down and we're only talking about Public Works maybe it's possible when you're collecting all the data that you put into the report to each item flag it somehow and say let's put this into the report that all the Departments
get because we hate to create extra work for you but I think this right anything else on communication yes communication in the commission I have mayor that used to be Commissioner of district one and so sometimes I think that you don't have you don't necessarily communicate with the district one commissioner you
already know the answer because you all you've been district one and so sometimes I feel this is just my my feeling that I'm left out of a lot of important things because you don't have to okay let's just say if you're talking to Carrie you don't have to follow up with I mean because something was going District 2 you're not involved in District 2 so you might you know have some conversation or invite invite commissioner WIS to the to the table I just feel that there are some things that I'm not invited to the table
because you already know and it's all you don't even think about it because you you're the mayor number one so you you have all of it under the umbrella but there's a lot of conversation communication between you and Mr bonapart you and the Chamber and that's not involving the person that represents district one and I don't think you're doing it purposely it's just the fact that I already got those answers I I already know district one because that was my baby for so many years but
however that leaves me sometimes out of the conversation so I put that in the evaluation and I spoke about it is I would just like a little bit more information about what's happening the most disrespectful and hurtful thing to me is the pocket of people in my district who know so much more than I do sometimes because I'm not in that table and I'm like oh yeah the city hired that person or we're doing that and I'm like
oh okay I I guess I'll find out about it at the commission meeting or something like that but yeah we already talked to Art about that okay well I certainly don't mean to do that I don't believe that you are and but I'm trying to come up with an example of what you're I I can't help but if people come up and say something to me no and I know that I'm just say I can't then call you and talk about it no I know you can't okay it's just let me give you an example of how I told City staff don't use ACS but we knew we use them all the
time because you know what ldrs are right if I'm saying going to a cdbg meeting we know what that means it's like like here I don't do not I do not believe that you're intentionally leaving you need house I'm just saying it be mindful of it sometimes because you don't think about it because you you speak district one so you don't really have to check in you know and ask about certain things like you would if you were saying there was an issue at me Bo
par right you know it and I sometimes I just feel like district one is is left out and because you can get the answer from the mayor all right anything else under the communication okay in the redo of the ranking I'm missed one here so five is not prime five is water quality and I will share with y'all I don't know if I want to
change so we're meeting with the EP on Wednesday starting at 2 o'clock and it appears they are ready to provide us with the entire funding for our new treatment plant and and and if the money doesn't eventually come from the federal government we'll cover it through State funds KN on as much wood as you can find what's left of the federal government so
well we're so they have we were just hoping they were going to give us the money from this year they're tell me about go because I was the emails are like that make sense to me but they're going ahead and allocating the future fund of the next two years or next year so anyway on Wednesday they may sign
off so that's for you can't take out forever chemicals although we talked about that at K as well will what you should have okay so anyway so that is specifically for water
treatment yes that is I and um there has just been I don't know how much you are aware of how much work the staff the Consultants the attorneys have been doing on this over the last year year and a half the phenomenal rate at which it's been done sure whatever I think it is it's a lot and you know the fact that we met met the dielines was was great the fact that the
state has come through and is saying this so this this will get us the plant that like Mar has I'm so sorry um I I I apologize I just got a message that one of my bus owners MERS res of District just passed I just told this I didn't I just found out um I didn't what gr was I missed that I there was money that
it's essentially it's co money that is coming the infrastructure money that is coming down through the the state um that when we were year and a actually I guess it was two years ago when everything was blowing up about one4 dioxan the state said oh you know we've got this money and it sounded like they were going to give us the money and everything was lined up and then as we dug into it it was like oh well we'll give you the money if you do this and
we'll do give you the money if you do this and there are other cities that are looking for money too so we threw a lot of work um and going back and forth and a lot with Jake Barn they're ready to give us50 million over the next two to three years to pay for the entire all of it so that 2% that we had to raise rates to be able to apply for a loan okay we won't actually have to
borrow that money and if we have to borrow that money they're giving it back to us that's a big deal yes it is how do we get people to understand that that's a big thing well I put it on my Facebook page when I first heard we might be getting the meeting and was immediately bashed because why didn't we do something years ago oh yeah that's that one little squeaky wheel and all the rest of the people are
Happ sometimes art stop once once we have the actual once on Thursday we will put something up but I'm saying that okay so there's certain ways to do things because you you know are you have a certain um know follow you got a certain following you do and people do go to your page that just because people aren't saying anything does not mean that they're not looking so I read all of your posts every last one of them some of them
remind me oh let me go let district one know about something right I don't always comment on it um so I and you should right well I do comment on some but um I lost TR oh no I'm saying so don't continue to do what you're doing because people do do read it however there are people who are not I I'm hoping that that new Communications person not going back to that creates a a different way of making things look like it's great
you're G to have the same it is always the same people um saying boohoo but there are people who who are not in that small circle that are just reading it and not saying anything and like oh that's good yeah hopefully the new person will make a difference in terms of social media the city of Sanford social media to the point where more citizens will start going there because they like what they're seeing and then
they'll see that as a highlight $50 million for a new water I mean job I mean we had had so now we're we're talking about the things that we know that will be like you said you say in the meeting now we we got the person in position so now we know what we can have him do so we can get him on we have enough people that are saying they don't go there or they don't go here because they don't or they don't know about things but my question was
was I guess to the broom how do we make that sound excited I know we have somebody that that's wanted to you know share that information but like I guess if you were reading it what what would make that calendar to you visuals well I mean hopefully million don't he be able to do it it is still tax money it's probably more like a hundred million dollar worth of tax money by the time I talk to us well I mean if if if
we want to go down that rabbit hole then we probably go back to the workflow kind of idea this is the process that we had to go through to get to this point um I'm not sure we have we hired that PR firm of Tallahasse I don't think did us anything good um through this battle um I don't think we have ever put out the timeline we've never told our
story of what we knew when we knew it what we were doing how we were doing it or even why we had to do it the way we did it well you don't go to the website or read my post to get to where we are today pardon my French but 65,000 effing residents AR looking your Facebook man come on that man you but this new guy is going to come up
there he's going to create this live story in social media that says five people se you better that's where we got to give it time to change and improve we have to get people whatever does we I'm not saying that's anybody's fault I'm just saying we just haven't done it I'm not saying it's anybody's fault we we just have not we we never do enough unfortunately and we we never will do
enough now because we can't but we haven't told our side of the story like I said earlier there's two sides of every story we get beat up over everything we don't do or do do yeah and that's a story we can create that chronological timeline over the years you know yeah we knew what was going on but we and we really were doing we were we were working hard at it we
may really a problem right right we had to convince other parties that this was an issue we had to convince other parties that there was a cause now there's a brand new Hospital built on top of that contaminated site it just blows my mind yeah it just blows my mind that that that's been allowed to happen but hey you know here we are dealing with the downflow from that site but this is an example I think that can kill a couple of birds I love birds so I don't like
killing themess yeah what what are you doing Society um but if we took this this would be a good example I think of a story that we're going to improve social media once we get them you know this is where we need to go this particular story story would be one that could be a a video presentation of from you know at a high level the beginning of that the struggles we had the things like you're saying where they were going to say no and here's why the
success story of the fact that we got we're getting a new water treatment plan out of this so that for people complaining about 14 dioxine pasas posos the people that want to know where your tax dollars are going here's an example here's where we fought we got not just what we asked for but more from the state and here's a picture of this new plant that we're envisioning happening here's what the water used to look like here's the we used to give you and now here's this good clean water we've never given them
oh yeah good point good point we've always had good water but too bad the new the people left yeah right good thing they did uh we we also need to be mindful that that that we have technology right now that eliminates the chemicals we have right now we have more chemicals coming yeah we have more chemicals we're going to have to eliminate the future and we're going to have to do this again in
the future this isn't a one andone kind of deal unfortunately but this will take care of more than just the one we're we're dealing we're dealing new water treatment means new systems that are treating new issues right we're dealing with stuff that that has been done for for hundreds of years in our community that we thought was okay yeah um and then in another you know 20 30 50 years we're going to find out what we're doing now wasn't okay yeah so please don't take fluoride out of my water yeah you
don't want it out no oh good but yeah this I I look at this as a great story to share and a good uh starting point for the new dude to tackle we have to for a very longm and I don't think that we're keeping up with the turns it's not that we're trying to be young we just need to be courage Taylor Swift is very popular because she has the sft Beyonce
is very popular because she has the Beehive I'm trying to create the ambassador program so that we the city of Sanford has the Sanford we' got people that go through the program their eyes are enlightened they know what happen now they know how to navigate the system they know to go TOA and then they those people can speak on our behalf those people can continue to like the post to get the algorithm to move around I haven't had much time to focus on it because district one has so many fires
it's it's hard to focus on that but that's why I'm trying to create the ambassador program where we have volunteers that that can then do that for the city of s you get popular because you have people that follow you and we we have always been the okay it's on the city website we do theast everybody's following that but you got to get people engaged and then people speaking for us because we're limited on what we can say we also want
to make sure that we're elected the next season so we're always trying to appease everything we got to have those people speaking for us we've got to use our social media platforms and we got to make it look sexy and that could be something that we remind our Citizens Academy graduates about I'm trying to ambassador's program and we talked about in our first initial meeting we had about 22 people that were there and we're trying to split it up into different groups and they get the idea of we need to change the
narrative right I I want us to be careful though we we did that social media Ambassador thing a few years ago some of those ambassadors bash us more them because we didn't give them direction we told them no no I'm not I'm not talking about their job as our ambassador necessarily they just bash us generally you I get that like my volunteer is one of those people yeah right but so we need to be careful who we choose and who we Empower and
and I have a volunteer and but those people are critical I don't think that they bash they are just overly critical bashing is when you say the mayor is garbage I've seen some seen let's move on moving on um let's move is there anything else underwater quality so that's the good news and I think that addresses the improving water quality is effective uh the one thing that he I'm not going to name again
there's a reverse osmosis process where they're allegedly putting back everything they're or they're returning everything they're putting into this process and I don't know if it's something that we could look at here we have conversations with Brint about that yeah that might have been one of the good ideas I got out of C okay well that's and oido uses reverse osis it's very expensive I figured be very what
our new plant is going to be very expensive which the next part of that is the okay cool all right so um just as I want to know more about quick temperature check here are the things we said were weaknesses okay so far have we touched on things that will take care of these weaknesses we've talked we've talked about communication okay right we've talked about infrastructure we've talked about permitting process we
have not talked about City staff and pay we've talked about infrastructure um but the unwillingness to think long term that might have been my comment which I think we have been discussing okay that sounds like my comment oh May VI was both I think it sounds more I like Patrick but I think I think there is some thinking long term I think we're not involved in it which goes back to one of the very first things we talked about is we would like well and we would
like the big picture before we try to start doing some stuff um no sense of urgency touched on that I don't know if we've really addressed anything there um years of neglect we've talked about that um citizens receiving what they need in a timely manner does that go back to the P permitting process okay we have not talked about facilities for the Youth we
have not talked about pay we' talked some about leadership is there do I put a check mark next to that or a circle meaning we need to come back to it okay and we've talked about infrastructure right oh there it goes beyond the bot so yeah I was actually looking on we have it here sorry I was redoing this late last okay so we have 40 minutes left do
we want to continue on the rest of the focus items or do we want to jump to um projects that we talked about and I want at least five to 10es at the very end to talk about commission so continue with the rest of the focus ideas
which I those or go to projects which are those we're not going to have time to hit to cover everything first page right we finished the first page we did yeah we finished the first five things I thought youth facilities that got changed in the
Revis well no that's in projects oh did I skip that one oh we did yeah I circled that because we haven't talked about it okay um I know I know we've been focused on The Bu P facility and but it's it's taken a couple years now we still don't have a
Finish Line it's like I I am troubled uh two facets here I'm troubled that we have thousands of Acres of property on the outskirts of town that we're not utilizing number one number two do we still need those thousands of Acres we not thousand of s whatever number my understanding is we have to we have to have site 10 because we have to
have a place to to put the um unused reclaimed water okay I do know there we don't have that much unused reclaimed water number one because we always we don't have reim water to give our residence anyway right so I I don't know answer that question if we can revise that number two I feel I feel like that's a great place to put some some ball fields and you can still use that reclaimed water on it well y with the uh Gob site we uh are
closer I talk to Craig we closer I talk with uh my citizens are excited and looking forward uh and I don't want to slap them myself be slapped in the face and all my citizens and it's not just for District Two but it's for the city of s and again this would be something that it wouldn't just be us but we would be a to partner with the school board
because iend uh PR is not have a track CR not have fields for U lacrosse and soccer so that also helps service Us in the partnership school board but more so anything school board with our children all y'all know I about uh at the end of the day it's not on it wasn't on us that the government that we deal with we had to worry about them getting stuff lined up for us the city was on point the housing authori is on
point as well it will Beyond us that's why I taking this but talking with Mr housing Au and talking with Craig and um uh Chris we are still moving forward we moved to another uh I think it says in Jacksonville now but we should have something done this year now it won't be completed but as far as again the parties that are local Housing Authority housing
authority and us not a hold up on them but I saying this again I fight for this this our children our citizens have been looking forward and excited for what we have told them we going to do nothing that our citizens fell short of above I'm not sure s 10 is accessible enough to the people we want to be able to use this well the county has some f
fantastic facilities right around the corner sight on the other side of is and if we did kids for kids it is if if we did it right we could Encompass it with with the great events that that the county puts on that's site's way site is
not close to okay whatever well then we need to sell the property that was I made two points about it okay so well and I don't know if anyone else has had a conversation about this but I've been approached tonight and staff has been approached about either selling it to be used a land mitigation bank or doing a joint venture to make it a land mitigation Bank where we would then I know we have a newspaper publisher who suggested we um use water
no we we open up the RightWay and build the road through there and open development well I have an interest of party that would help us build a YMCA there um facility but I mean you're going to Poo the idea because it's so far even though the city keeps expanding you know we'll just we'll just keep waiting for stuff to happen and and
we won't be able to afford what we want to do en roll we don't have the money for it the money has to come from something so they would be willing to put a YMCA at site 10 yes very influ how many ofs it's more Geneva than it is San Francisco let me go right there again
I'm not going to go for nothing I don't I don't care who want to put it out there I ain't it's not place of your gold swil facility Well long place that long don't touch that i'm well you see you see a mouth your your little dream can still happen does well long as that don't be a problem and the other thing I'd like to say about is is we have Congressman we have Senators we have a godd dang lobbyist why haven't we gotten
a hold of any of those folks to try to help us get through the bureaucratic BS we've been dealing with with HUD don't well maybe we should cour coure Court me has help us uh with something uh we have to move up the process we talk about having Rubio when he was around having him here in town all the time do we ever you know ask those guys to help us get some of these things accomplish they been they've been at some on my end I can know we' been asked
but don't mean they do something I mean come on now I I I believe this though if you uh you say you got that family that want to put a YMCA out there that family for say it's the same it's the same people that have been helping you with a lot of Stu so be careful what you said oh know if it's the same folks that's been helping me I ain't got to say nothing negative CU if they helping me they going to keep change it doesn't matter it doesn't matter where they're from they're still giving you no all right all right let's
um how you talking what I want to talk moving right where's that muzzle somebody separate these two let me go get the G so we're going to go back up to number one then since we started on Project and um you know I've talked I've had an additional idea on my vision for that property that I want to share Heritage Park the old Heritage
Park property um I was at the um seino Cultural Arts Council gay and Castleberry at their relatively new art center yes need need something like that which it overlooks a lake it's sort of curved and has a patio and there's 150 people maybe um we in there it was a little crowded but that's because they used a lot of room for the catering a lot of room for the
um for the U auction stuff anyway it picture the gravel lot and we do what we talked about doing there okay probably a parking garage retail some kind of housing upper floors okay go across commercial and put this type of building there with the ptio looking back towards the lake which then becomes the amphitheater SL Bandshell or you know
the patio itself is a V and whoever builds a thing on the gravel lot builds that for if we build it they will well I think get used a lot yeah as much as we uh brag about our public Arts commission art we have Castle is they
have done a phenomenal has hit a home run for that facility and what they're doing there it's kind of to me it's kind of embarrassing I want to know where they get their money well I was going to say it would be curious to see got to look at their budget what they proposed and how much it ended up actually costing and I know they they just did a um well I don't think it's a brand new building they repurposed it's amazing it's amazing what you can do when you repur I thought this was a new because I know
they have the two houses right have this third building I thought the third building was maybe it maybe not the whole repurposed so when we go um whatever that thing is we send out the proposal thing all right yeah r r I'm that's personally what I will be pushing for and I like the idea of whoever build get the grab a lot build for support and that's part of the deal
of July and I
to Art where you have Street [Music] iide available I love the idea of the band The the B sh um I lik it more the way it was before we lost funding where they were originally going to had it I it more over there I think the B still yeah in that's where they they
were looking at it um when they were doing you know what I'm talking about I think it'll get used more here it just might I'm just saying as just as again me as a regular citizen I just I love that well most of it would still be green space yeah I think I think we could accomplish it I mean my vision would be that the building and Patio part of it would probably come up to about the first door into the
C which is really the back of the C speaking okay so you're not saying it's going to go on the green it would be like the first 100 150 ft not we're not talking like a Civic Center size building we're talking about a small Betty Smith size event facility focus on not this guy but other you're talking about the bottom part of that not the end toward the lake but
down in this area so if this was developed and then we would put a building across here with Stage whatever all of that yeah so keep this green space and then just put the stage down in this little section there I don't I don't want us to develop every square and but if we have if we could create some public space a public
building to do something different than what we have downtown I do like to that are we still in the the Civic Center is historical and we don't want to change it mode we're in the Civic Center I'm in the Civic Center is historic I love that building and I want us to go get it close enough we can go actually get a grant and redo it love I wish we could tear it down oh I
think Monro Hall is going to go Monroe Halls this is Monroe Hall here yeah Monroe Hall doesn't so I mean when we did the assessment and that's probably something we need to put back on the list to come back and talk about um I was bringing it up just in case depending on what the future was does could that be incorporated into our whole idea well you may not be familiar with with the parking garage proposal we had out they were working on it was
going to probably Encompass Monro so we we we were already talking about repurposing that space and using what we had at the time we thought HP was hp's wide open so we're playing and Jessica there have been several different ideas from tear down the Civ Civic Center and build a new thing further down the park to save the Civic
Center and build an additional building in that parking lot that would have some meeting space to expand the um the Civic Center we did a historic assessment and came like here's all the stuff that's wrong with it here's all the stuff that needs to be fixed and I was ready to start writing the preservation Grant and Julie said you know it would look better if we' taken care of the bir maintenance before we asked for a grant and so what we need to know is where are we in that process because I think um and actually at the time
mid-century modern was really big in in grant money and it would have been a slam dump to get the grant except they would say well we don't want to give you historic preservation money because you need a new air conditioning yeah because you haven't been taken care of your um the assessment had that you know with the new um Coatings that they have for window for glass now we could that
you could take that because the top part of it Claudia I don't know if you're familiar with it where it's all closed in across the top that used to be all glass I was wondering if there was and sometime in my childhood they put this honeycom stuff to try to block the to block the light and then they finally just covered so that's the original you're talking about and so it would be glass all the way up to the arch yeah but good
glass that blocks the Sun so but then you could coat the glass with and we're looking at doing the same thing at hoer Academy so would I'm saying would we is that a possibility yeah it is a possibility because with that um I was at Wednesday c meeting they are talking about you know how s extra money and they want to do something in the middle section of the citizen you don't like that idea what I heard I don't like I don't I haven't seen what they're really talking about though I they were Paving
it as what is what I heard they want they wanted to put um masonary for work and stuff I'm not too keen on that either but I do like the idea of it being used more I do not think that I mean it's a lush grassy space and I think the only time we really use it is at Fourth of July and then now because of the um the construction we have June was using it and stuff but we haven't used it so I in addition to the remodel of the Civic
Center and doing that area I think that that could be a big change and now that you've shown me where you want the thing to go because I thought you talking about it being closer to SAR boulevar with that as well I think that that could change the the whole trajectory of downtown and what it brings to S and um and it's close enough that our businesses downtown don't say oh it's too far away those people won't come in
right yes so how could how could we because we always come up with these great ideas but how how could we get started on executing that's a big one that we can see in our lifetime MH how can we get started that would be the F work I'm thinking um AP exams response question your real job the proposal and you know we can if we're in agreement that that's what we
want we need to tell staff to less narrow the The Proposal down that and aim them at this it couldn't be a project that the city took on I know we don't like to be landlord but you mean us build the building on the gravel lot we could do that and it be a city facility I'm just asking the question I'm not saying that you know give me a habitat women build crew I'll do it okay now we did I it's not unheard of but we're not
really good at yeah we're not good we're not but that doesn't mean that that we couldn't be so we've gotten better with the Marina and the golf course we've learned some lessons there on how to manage properties but Wonder uh if you want if you want the garage and Retail whatever on the on the gravel walk right um we're not going to partner in
that with someone are we are we going to sell that to them was what was in my head was some deal where we transfer the property to them and as part of the compensation they build what we want on the okay so the answer your question is we wouldn't necessarily be building it but we' be part of the process yeah we tell them what we go there we've been there before I'm saying is it possible to eliminate the
ret I think and then heard what saying our economics has told us that retail is just going out and there's no need for that but I mean okay it could be our new city hall but as D1 commission do you think we need a parking yes okay so the city just speaking as a city here we can't afford
to build that facility on our own it's the process am I wrong we could afford it but we would not be able to then afford to pay don't money a buyer station or we don't have the money it's not going to pay for itself parking garages cost about $20,000 of space to build so if we're looking at even that's low no the price has come down a little but whatever um I'm trying to do easy
map here guys if we we do a 200 space garage at $20,000 space that's a lot of money if we do a 400 space for AR it's even worse so that's where the private public partnership comes in we have something to offer you what can you offer us what can we build here on these two lots to
fulfill our vision and your and I've sat through enough paring studies and public private partnership meetings to know how it works um and I as as a resident and I don't think that we garage as a district one commissioner I think we need one because I'm we're tired of the conversation this is the complaint let's build it let's move on now there's no more issue with it that's how I feel about that word but I am also exhausted with us trying to come up with
with with the RFQ qes and trying to get it and I wish that we would just lay off of it for a little while but then I'm loving what art is saying and like my heart is beating about the restoration of the the Civic Center and then it becoming this inviting place and even if we created a position because I don't think the Civic Center is as used as much as it could be because we don't have anyone advertising we don't have anyone saying you could do your convention here and then you go out onto
the boat blah blah blah we're not using that but that's neither here nor there that's a whole another conversation but I'm just saying this the project that we're talking about is something that we you could reach like immediately and that stuff gets me excited because we move like molasses here so that that that's the reason why I was just bringing it up yeah is necessary I don't disagree with with with with the frustration of of getting projects done unfortunately sometimes
they fall through and you got to go back to Dr board and start over and that's where we are right now um eight eight years ago Sheena um eight years ago I I I said we don't Market our facilities enough well enough I push that and push that push that and then that's why I started kicking back on for Monroe Hall needs UAC Monroe Hall needs whatever we don't even hardly we
don't get anything out of Monroe Hall why are we put P all this money into it so um yes could we Market our facilities better yes but I will say this go to other cities I'm not going to mention any names they've built newer modern more flexible spaces that are used way way more than our facility because they have something they're proud of to Market well they don't even have to Market it and Market s if the
Civic Center was usable if it was flexible if it was a space people wanted to use it would Market it right that's why I want it to restore if it restored itself you I mean what it used to look like from being able to see now I wasn't born but I I mean I know point that just but I'm just saying sometimes you just when you if if I'm a bride I walk
in there and I'm just like this is where it's got to be and I know that that we could get that back to sber on that Waterfront or whatever and if that's something that the commission can get on I would love for us to just okay yeah so I'm hearing a combination of improve the Civic Center so it does Market itself and run with your idea about kind of keeping that parklike atmosphere of
Heritage Park but with the Band Shell back of the slot idea still preserving the Green Space to some extent and so the parking garage you're talking about the gravel part there yeah so to the left of the green is the gravel part this piece no that's the Courthouse parking lot and until we know have a better idea of what's going to happen with the courthouse yeah um I know Mr
bonart is talking to seminal State about a possible satellite campus the county is talking about just selling it um you know this is what he said we don't want to get locked into I don't want us get locked into something on that parking lot until we know what's happening next door so this is the gravel is across from the library that piece which fronts First Street which you know is a big ugly glaring hole in
First Street okay so you're already using all your designing skills to draw up what this is going oh I have horrible drawing skills I can you can draw did you see the thing where I just took pictures of other things and slapped them on top of a map yeah I use PowerPoint years ago and
Drew a design of the house I wanted and found a guy who did brick build brick houses he did it Okay so we've got a little less than 15 minutes left we got through about half the stuff um going down rank projects I think sewer system is a big discussion but we've sort of already talked about that as where are we in the
master plan for the suar system we've talked about the um the water treatment plant we've talked about um the sports complex a little bit um I'd like to explore more about if somebody's willing to YMCA is there another place that be willing to put it um that's more accessible to s for residents um but I do agree let's see do you all want to me to continue and have staff and work with staff on this idea of the mitigation
Bank yes do I understand what the M mitigation bank is tell me again it's I won't I I'll develop and Destroy these Wetlands but then I'll not destroy these over here oh like tree mitigation yes but and I never really liked it because we're not destroying those Wetlands anyway but you get to destroy these over here but if somebody's going to be paid for that why not de why don't we make some money off
makes sense so we can continue that conversation um push harder to close a deal at the mall I've talked to Brady I'm not sure there's more we can do yeah after I put this in there I thought okay if we really get down to Brass tax and do we have have a an action plan here no it's already happening benefits and pay I will always be a discussion I think but we bring that up with budget soon with uh real quick on that I I know we just
did the study I know we just improved the pay um I don't think it would take too much because I've done it for my agency I don't think it would take too much maybe just maybe just take a few positions and have someone on staff Call some other cities and see if we're still in the fall Park of pay police what police I'm I'm not just
we're not specifically police and fire here we're talking the entire staff right um we did the staff study do you have positions in mind you want looked at well doesn't stupid question but maybe doesn't HR do a salary survey we have't well no now we hired a company to do it yeah we don't do it in house and it took a long time and then
it took a long time for us to we have a lot no I know that I'm not saying we haven't but unfortunately just like the police and fire yeah the same thing is happening for other position right do you have other positions specifically you want looked at or are you just suggesting do a random sample I I think we just do a random sample because I think the comment might have been I don't know who would have said it but I think the comment is
referring to other positions that we're losing we're not just losing Poli of fire right we lose other staff well I don't I I just don't want us to constantly be stuck in the mindset of police fire police fire police fire we have other jobs that we need to make sure we're staying on
top I was worried about that with the social media thing whatever I I didn't think we were going to be able to be competitive there um so uh that's a constant battle that I think we just need scale top of Citywide speaking of pay are we all okay with what we will be paying our new loer we don't know what we're going to be pay our
don't I should we should all be ready for Sticker Shop because we have been paying way below Market that's what I was wondering is 50% of Market profit um and well that's going to be a discussion we're going to have to have and we're doing that do you want me to go to law school and uh I'll resign and become your attorney but it's the staff that no not take those headaches so that's that's on the work session right because I have some comments about that when we get
that okay um and then you're going to have a report on the CRA soon right okay yeah and then we talked about homelessness and and we not even touched on making sord bless r on cars I think I might have put that one there just but you know and again it's a that's a pretty broad statement so I was
wondering we have an action but but I will say on that subject um y'all may or may not be aware links is working in the county yeah redoing some of their services providing new Services uh it won't be traditional bus service that may just be some kind of ride maybe just like yeah there's an app where you can actually just go in there and say I need it and then they schedule their trips but I think they're moving
away from they're moving away from links I think links and going Uber Al links links is uh working with the county to redo some of their services and it may at least help uh his community it may not help his City whole city but uh going with not exactly on demand but it's something a little different um I think we should have something like crane rides electric
vehicle a autonomous vehicle and it's not truly autonomous because I think they have somebody on it but that's not a bad idea just to loot downtown so I'm that might be a little too F futuristic for us but it's not that far I mean basically a small trolley that's always running and I'm a little fearful that uh we're going to be pulled into that Loop of putting money into
some and they're and they've already they've already put a huge amount of money towards stud expanding Sun service the airp and they're we need to Sun to our they're they're going to want to they're going to want to uh they're going to come knocking on our
door okay um and so that that's going to go along with that conversation there and this even though it's state say the 46 work that's going on here I just realized is to put in bike paths so okay and then we had five ranked Focus areas we never got to a couple of those we sort of did
touch so we can come back in another meeting talk about those put it on work session um what I think I want to do or will do is take all the notes we've gotten put that together and then work with the city manager on how is Staff going to come back and and fill us
in on these things and maybe in a month two months another either only that's the only topic on our work session to get an update and move forward or we have to we'll pull another meeting yeah because I don't want to wait too long let's get some momentum yeah the idea is yeah the idea is not that we had this conversation that was great let's go home but okay we've got some ideas or some things we want information on or
look at and so we'll put that together and then um come up with a time to talk about these others the last thing I wanted to talk about is and the um the joy of governing thing that Norton sent out one of the comments was or one of the things was you know the mayor checking in to see how things are going with the commission and work
basically you want to change how things are done and that led and there was also a thing about Council evaluation and so I think you have this your table um a couple ideas on you know just us evaluating ourselves getting a feeling of I've done this in some boards it's been helpful it's been not helpful um my thought was we could have um Elizabeth put something like
this survey together that we did online and just see you know where we are I don't know if yall find that helpful or not so yes I do in fact I was wondering if you wanted us to just go ahead and complete it before today or we were just going to talk about it um I would rather get it online so that we have um so we can consolidate the better so who FS this out we F this out regarding ourselves and our our fellow Commissioners yes it would be about us there's one about us as a colletive body
one about the mayor one about evaluating a meeting better watch say about okay well we won't name name names SC to you you can't put all tens on here okay so so just just to see how it goes if that's how I feel I will if I give you got to know me you say what she said you like that but I can't say what I'm G to say give these to Elizabeth you say something let her set up I like that and
we'll let her and let's do the first ones see how we feel before we have her do the second one test run a test run okay so I'll give her the first one and we'll do that one and then if it looks like it's helpful we'll go through the rest of it can I ask why can't maybe a person like why why does the evaluation especially if it's coming from us we should be adults enough I think there's always so much like I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings going on here and that's the problem that I have as staff
has with with us in management instead of it you saying I have a concern about that District that the way things are handled it's always I don't want to say it because I don't want to you know did you have something to say about me say it out loud I agree but somebody somebody just said um you know your name is not going to be listed I don't think that it's a problem to say okay I I'm okay with that the more open we are the more just
keep in mind it it will be public record okay so I have her do that I'm cool with that so it looks like commissioner Wiggins is ready to go just cleaning up all his trash piing up trash got did you see anyone gavel out yet 30 second comments commission okay yes oh mine is more over than 30 seconds you got 30 seconds okay I don't want to bring it up at a regular meeting but
it's not about Mr bonapart but I think that the city should be looking at how top heavy we are and maybe once in the future if he retires we look at restructuring I don't know why there's a need for a man a city manager and aut City manager I'm not talking about you Mr saying if you retired moved on not doing anything right now we just need to look at how top heavy we are and then what's the need but I don't want to bring that up at a public okay I think well that was 30
second something for future discussion okay commissioner Thomas I don't think I have anything I'm I'm pleased with how this has gone I think we've got some good actions to come out of this um my other area of interest is understanding more about the budget but I think we're going to know more after we have Monday starts Monday so I'm kind of looking forward to that because all these discussions are useful it'll be
more useful to me when I know more the ins and outs of the budget than are we talking about things we can't afford because of how we allocate the money out that's it I'm done all right commissioner Wiggins I'm commissioner aus okay mayor wer I I think this was helpful I hope you all did too I think it was worth three hours for us to have time to just talk definitely and we'll get something out of this Mr
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