--------- Mhm, that's worse if it's inconsistent. >> Yeah. >> Oh. >> Okay. >> We're going to go ahead and call to order a meeting of Sanford City Commission work session for Monday, July 27th, 2026. Commissioner Britton is on her way back. Commissioner Wiggins will
not be with us this evening. Um, we have a full agenda for the next uh 50 minutes to an hour. So, we'll get moving with the Sanford Airport Authority, Mr. Bernhard. >> Mr. Mayor members of the City Commission. We have a presentation from the Airport Authority regarding the audit. >> Good evening, Mr. Mayor. It's a pleasure
to be here. My name is Joel Noll, partner with Forbes Mazars and here to just report briefly on the Sanford Airport Authority audit, uh which was recently completed. Um the uh financial statements, I'm glad to report no um audit findings um that were
identified in the audit that included a look at their uh federal state uh grant programs as well. So, um a clean audit uh related to both internal controls and compliance. Uh we communicated with the board um
earlier this month um and then um just went over some of the financial highlights. You'll find if you look at the management discussion and analysis, you'll find some of the kind of key trends or key changes from the prior years. Uh I think one of the
things that is a little um I want to point out for this year, 2015 was the first full year with the the terminal operations fully under the airport. So, you'll see some increases in operating revenues related to that. And uh something to keep an eye on as we
work uh look forward um future years as it relates to those comparisons looking at operating income in particular as well as the cash flows. But, overall, the airport was in good financial position. Um it had an increase in net position of
13.3 million. Um overall, um unrestricted net position of of almost 13 million. So, sorry, I'm getting a little feedback here. Um but other than that, a clean audit. And if there's any questions, be glad to
try to answer those for you. >> Any questions? >> Thank you. Just two questions. >> Sure. >> And this is going to go into the There's a section on financial statements and reports.
And item 46, are they numbered in your version there the same way? >> Uh I I just have the actual audited financials in front of me, so I don't know how it's listed in your packet. >> Uh that one Actually, item 45 says with
regard to supplemental information, and then 46 says, "We do not issue an annual report, nor do we have plans to issue an annual report at this time." Can you explain that for me?" >> Yeah, sure. So, I Yeah, you're referring to the communication letter, I believe.
And so, a annual report, in in essence, refers to a document that includes the financial The audited financial statements, and a lot of times, in the case of the city of Sanford, for example, there's introductory section, there's a statistical section, and then
there's the audited statements that are embedded in that document. And our responsibility as auditors is only to the audited financials, not to the supplemental sections. So, that That statement is basically just referring to the case of an annual report like the city's
comprehensive annual financial report. Um this The airport actually doesn't have those additional sections, so. >> Okay, thank you. And then, the only other thing is I'm just want to confirm I think there might be a new section in here under
broad matters, number four, uh talks about disclosing all instances in which artificial intelligence systems or tools were used related to financial reporting. Is that a new section, and if so, this is saying that you are confident
that you've reviewed all of the instances of AI, and that we have no concerns there. >> Okay, yes, I think I know what you're referring to now. So, this is actually the uh representation letter. Believe we received from the airport
authority. So, this is management's representations to us regarding the use of artificial intelligence. >> Yes, but >> And um >> Yeah, why am I asking you this? This is from them to you, right? >> That's right. That's right. >> Okay. >> So, I um Can you refer me to the number
you have in >> Uh that's number four under broad matters, confirmation of matters specific to the subject. Yes, I apologize. This is from the airport authority to you. >> Correct. That's right.
Yes, that's the representation to us that they've identified instances if any that they use the AI. Yeah. >> I think Nicole would say she's very confident that that is looking good. >> Yes. >> That's all I have. >> Okay. >> Any other questions? >> No, sir.
>> All right. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. >> Appreciate it. >> CDBG? >> Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of the City Commission. Next is the presentation of Community Development Block Grant by Tiara Hardaway. >> Oh. Okay. All right. Good evening, commissioners,
mayor, city staff. Tiara Hardaway, CDBG Community Development Block Grant Manager. I will be discussing some CDBG activities and priorities tonight, the proposed amendment to the 2025
20 2029 Consolidated Plan. The amendment to the fiscal year 2025 action plan, discuss the 2026 annual funding priorities, and as well as the citizen input that we've received for the action
plan. So, just a little bit about CDBG. It was developed um to support low to moderate-income families um with decent housing, sustainable living environment, and expand economic opportunities.
And all of these CDBG activities must benefit either low to moderate income persons, prevent or eliminate slum and blight, or meet an urgent need. A few eligible activities include um housing, so that's demolition and
clearance, home repairs, home ownership, as well as public facilities, which is um infrastructure improvement, public services, which we support our nonprofits with, economic development, homeless prevention, and planning and
administration of the grant. During the um 5-year period where they asked the community what they thought the needs were for the um CDBG grant, this is some of their comments. They said, "We have an aging housing stock in the city of Sanford, that there is a
housing affordability challenge, um there was a lack of economic development, um a lack of um homeless prevention, and neighborhood revitalization opportunities." So, in that 5-year plan, these were the priorities: affordable housing,
neighborhood revitalization, public services, ending homelessness, economic development, and planning administration of the grant. And so, for the next 5 years, these will be the priorities that we're going to focus on with the funding. I know this is small to read, so I'll
read it out to you. And um our current grant, we have 2025 $437,753, along with some program income. We allocated those funds into eight activities, the largest portion being our home owner rehab program. We also
allocated funding in down payment assistance, assistance, commercial facade, um public services, demolition and clearance, and public facilities. So, there's eight activities at our current grant that we are using right now. So, some of the accomplishments thus far
for this fiscal year starting October 2025, um we are currently in the midst of rehabbing nine homes throughout the city of Sanford. We also contributed to the Georgetown Community Garden development of that and the Goldsboro Trail
improvements. And then lastly, we are currently supporting two nonprofits with public service funding, Bentley Education Development Center and Rescue Outreach Mission. All right, so a little bit about what the amendment is. So, um during the
I guess the last eight months, um with managing this program to help streamline our goals and our projects and how we report our funds to the HUD, I'm recommending that we um consolidate our goals to the five that
are listed on the screen. So, affordable housing, neighborhood revitalization, public services, economic development, and planning and administration. And with this amendment, there isn't going to be any change to the funding priorities. So, what we decided in our consolidated plan, it's just to
streamline our goals and projects. And this is just going to kind of describe what that what that means. So, those eight activities I described, you'll see that they're allocated to certain goals. So, for affordable housing, our rehab and down payment assistance program is going to go there.
Neighborhood revitalization, our public um facilities and demolition clearance funding will go there. Public service will now include homeless prevention. Economic development will be pretty much the same and planning and administration will be the same. So, really it was just
for internal administration of the grants to consolidate our goals. All right, and then because I'm doing an amendment to our consolidated plan, I have to also amend our um current fiscal year plan. So, that's basically what this chart is saying. So, those eight
activities are going to be broken down into the five goals that I listed in the last slide. So, affordable housing, neighborhood revitalization, economic development, and public services. Um that's the only change that I'm proposing for our consolidated plan and
our um fiscal year 2025 plan. All right, for 2026, which which will start October 1 of 2026, HUD will be providing us with $433,358. And I'm proposing that we um spend that funding on our housing and rehab um
program. Also, adding additional money into down payment assistance, specifically to support Habitat for Humanity partnership. And then um public uh services, which HUD caps us at 15%.
Public facilities, which is infrastructure. And then planning and administration with HUD caps us at 20%. Okay, and this is just explaining what that budget looks like. Sorry, it's so small. But, if you look at the top affordable housing, um we'll we're going
to get that 433 plus 5% uh $5,000 of program income, and then we're going to have about 200,000 left over from previous years that we haven't expended. And so, we're going to put 425,000 in affordable housing. Majority of that
400,000 is going to go towards our housing rehab program, and then a portion will go to the down payment assistance program. And then 111,000 will go towards our public facilities grant. And then we have 65,000 for public
services. And then lastly 86,000 for the administration of the grant. And this will be for fiscal year 2026. >> Which one of those is Rescue Outreach Mission Home Builders? >> They are public services and also they can apply for the neighborhood
revitalization. And just wanted to talk a little bit about the partnership with Habitat for Humanity. The down payment assistance program is something that's new to the city. We've never done one before. There was 75,000 allocated towards that
for this current year, but there wasn't really a plan to how we were going to spend the funds. So I met with Habitat and we were presented with an opportunity to partner because they're building the 19 homes. I know some of you have went to their wall raising event. And so I thought that was
a would be a great opportunity for the city to participate in that since it's in the city of Sanford. And a lot of times we have staff that apply for these Habitat funds and it would be really nice to support this development. So I'm proposing up to 50,000 dollars towards
down payment assistance and or closing costs. And then we're going to have funding from 75,000 from our current grant and then 75,000 from the 2026 grant. So 150,000 dollars for that partnership. This is something again
that's new. Seminole County does something very similar to that. So I'm going to kind of be mimicking their program but also kind of doing our own thing since it's in our city. >> That's what I was just about to ask. Does Seminole County have the down payment assistance program?
>> They do. They have it with a different funding source. They use their ship dollars and they have a program that assists for down payment assistance. And they're actually participating in the Legacy Square for some homes, but so we're not going to be able to do all 19. We're maybe going to do three to five and they're
also contributing to other homes in the development. >> what would make us want to do this project even though you you kind of you know, talked about um you know, um employees using it and so on and so forth, but wouldn't those funds be better allocated to another
kind of um project if the county is doing it? Why would we be doing something that the county already does? >> So in our consolidated plan, we asked the community where they wanted us to spend these funds and one of their priorities was down payment assistance. So we really are just saying, "Okay, you
guys want us to do this, let's open up that opportunity for the community to participate in down payment assistance from the city and not just from Seminole County." >> What's the maximum amount amount, do you know? That's that someone can receive for down payment assistance. >> Up to 50,000 and that's just what I'm proposing. We can change that.
>> One individual person up to 50,000 and we only how much do we have? >> 150,000. >> 150, okay. >> Mhm. >> And so but this will not be on a single home. It's not an addition to what Seminole County is doing.
>> Potentially it could be. So what the SHIP funds that Seminole County is using, it's for construction. What we're proposing is to help them when they get to that final dollar and they need to put something down for closing, that's what we be contributing to. So it's two separate things that we would >> Okay. >> You need $50,000 for a Habitat for
Humanity? >> Yeah, I believe the the homes that they're building are about 300,000. Um so to make them affordable, they do need this subsidy to help. And then the partnership is actually really great because they educate them on how to keep up their home and other
things as well. So um if we're just going to help someone get housing, it's nice to have a partnership with Habitat cuz they truly do help each individual person in that process of buying a home. >> A hand up, not a hand out. >> Yes. >> What?
I'm confused by that. >> What did you mean? >> In what way? I'll do some research on it. >> Okay. All right. And then lastly, so um we had multiple opportunities for people to contribute to the action plan. The um
draft was released on June 26th. There was a 30-day comment period. Um we had our first public hearing. It's not listed here, but our first public hearing was at this CDBG advisory meeting on June 16th. And then the second one was just last week on June
21st. We had a a great great turnout. Um and then tonight would be the night that you all would approve the action plan and the amendments. And then I have up until August 15th to submit them to HUD for final approval. And again, this is just a repeat of the
of the slide. The present when I was supposed to be here on the 13th, this was going to be more relative to that, but um these were just the opportunities that people can come out and comment. And um I did receive comments um in regards to assisting our nonprofits. We
did receive comments for economic development funding. Um I didn't allocate anything this year for that cuz we kind of don't have a plan for it. But our 2025 plan has money in it. So if we do decide like hey, we do want to release this fund, I can use money from
our 2025 grant to do that. And lastly, we received comment on homeless prevention. Um so we're still trying to figure out how we would release funding for homeless prevention. Um Seminole County does a lot of work with homelessness in our community, and we know that our community wants more funding for that
through CDBG. So um Miss Osborne and I are going to really work hard to figure out how CDBG can can be of assistance, as well. But, I just didn't allocate any funds to that this year. >> If you don't Well, I was going to ask you cuz Commissioner Austin asked you
about Rescue Outreach Mission, and you said those funds were going to public services. So, I'm assuming that that's not going to homelessness. Can you explain the 43,000 that's going to homelessness, or is that what you were talking about? You know, that >> referring to. A specific line just for
homeless prevention. The public services grant can support nonprofits that help homeless individuals, but they also can help other nonprofits, as well. So, those individuals who have nonprofits for homelessness can apply for public service, but it's not guaranteed that they're going to get the funding.
>> When I listen to the community meetings, and sometimes I listen to the audio from the CDBG advisory board, they talk about the economic development grants a lot. So, since you all don't have a plan, do you not thinking about possibly moving 43,000, or maybe at
least 50K to economic development, since there is such a need for that? Is that a possibility? >> So, I apologize. We We do have a plan for economic development. I've been working with Pamela Lynch on getting a list of all the businesses in the community and areas in which they serve
low-to-moderate income families. I'm going to send an email or survey to them to see what type of funding do they truly need. We've released two applications in the past 2 years and haven't received anyone to apply for. So, it's kind of like up in the air on what we can actually do with the funding. And to answer your question,
yes, we can move money from homelessness over to economic development, but I think there's a lot of people that may be upset about that, because they want us to put money in homelessness. >> Okay. >> Um so, I'm trying to keep the budgets the same that they were when we did the consolidated plan and try to work with them, but in the future, if we want to
reallocate, we can absolutely do that. >> The narrative is that it's very difficult to get a grant through economic development. And then there's also the fear of if I get a grant, then you know, the city may come after me because I, you know, did something to a building and it wasn't permitted or
whatever. Do we have plans for maybe workshops? Not just the workshop that just talks about the grant, but how to fill out these applications, how to become qualified, so that we can get more people to come because again, I
hear the need for it. It is just that narrative says, why even try because it's way too much paperwork. It's too hard to understand. You're speaking at a language that we don't understand. If I'm a lawn business or I'm I, you know, service hair products or something like that. >> Right.
>> And then you're coming in and you're talking about having a CPA and all the things that HUD requires, it becomes um it's intimidating for those who are not skilled in grant writing or any kind of applications. Are we working on anything
like that? >> I can. >> You can't? >> I can. >> Oh, you can. >> [laughter] >> I can work on that. >> Okay. I think she has a separate division. >> Going Going back to what you previously said, we haven't had any applicants. >> Mhm.
>> I think I think your program, much like other aspects of the city that I talk about, is is we're not we're not relaying the message to the people that may want to apply. >> Okay. >> Um and and what the funds could be used
for, what the purpose is. A lot of times I see a a social media post by the city. Just says, "Hey, you can apply." >> Yeah. >> I I think we're not giving enough information. >> for a CDBG spotlight? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Well, Lisa Holder's been asking me to do a podcast, so maybe it's time that I do a podcast to talk about how they apply for these funds. Yeah. >> Prepare that. We'll we'll share it. >> Okay. >> We'll get you some advertising. Cuz that's definitely a good point is
are there people out there who just they don't want to try cuz they're intimidated or they haven't heard about it. >> Commissioner Britton said, uh they're told there's a lot of hoops, there's a lot of paperwork, there's you know, a lot of follow-up. I don't know if that's true or not. I
know there it's a little bit true, but obviously there are people that do it successfully all across the country. We can do it >> here, too. >> Right. Absolutely. And there are a lot of small businesses that would like this funding. It's really just trying to design it in a way that's really going
to help people. >> Right? Any other questions? Is that all? >> That's it. >> All right. Thank you very much. Keep up the good work. >> You and Carol and everybody else. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Mr. Mayor and Commissioners, this is a presentation from the Finance
Department. As you've been told, we have departments that we're making presentations to you. So, tonight is the Finance Department. I'm glad to see you have a number of the finance staff here, and Mr. Lindsey will be going through the presentation. >> Yes. Thank you, Mr. Bonaparte. Mayor and City Commissioners, we do have a lot of
finance staff here. So, if you don't mind, before we start, I'd like them to stand if they don't mind. >> Show us the money. >> There they are. Yeah. >> The people we never get to see. >> [laughter] >> You're part of finance.
>> There they are. >> It's finance, N I >> Which one is this one? >> All right. Um so, the I'm going to start off, and then each of the division managers are going to um about their divisions. Um Finance
Department is made up of three divisions, accounting, purchasing, and information systems and information systems. Peter, I'm sorry I gave you that. Can you go forward with >> [laughter] >> Um our mission um includes ensuring the fiscal responsibility and transparency,
support efficient city operations, safeguarding public funds, maintaining compliance with laws, regulations, and policies. And our core responsibilities are financial management reporting, the audits, the budget, procurement, technology infrastructure and systems,
and policy and development and compliance with those items. And with that, I'm going to turn it over to Peter Stefary. He is our finance manager and he's going to talk about the accounting and financial reporting for the city. >> Good evening, everyone. Um
I'll start off with the um accounts receivable. Um in Finance, we process over a 700 invoices that are created uh every every year, which include uh special assessments, uh retiree health and premiums, parking tickets, and lease payments.
For our cash receipts, we do daily deposits and cash reconciliations every day. And we uh process over uh we have over 36,000 cash and check payments, 20 290,000 electronic payments, 16,000 miscellaneous receipts, and 2,100 direct
deposits are received and reconciled each year. And our accounts payable portion of our department, we process invoices daily to prepare for a bi-weekly check run. We have weekly P-card transactions.
And we have over 20,000 transactions, 3,400 checks, 590 wires, 2,400 interdepartmental bills, and 8,500 P-card transactions are processed each year. Payroll, timesheets are entered to prepare checks, direct deposits, and
EFTs for staff and third-party vendors bi-weekly. Last period, we had 619 employees. We print over 500 checks and transmit over 8,300 direct deposits a year. Each month, quarter, and year, we report
to FRS, unemployment, social security, and Medicare. And the W-2 statements are filed at the end of the year. For our general ledger management, every year over 500 journal entries are prepared each month, quarter, and year.
Each month, a bank reconciliation, and accounts payable and payroll registers are prepared. For financial reporting, every month state reports for utility tax, impact fees, fuel tax, and sales tax are prepared. Each quarter, building
surcharges and financials are prepared. Every year, state filings for the stale stale checks, LOGT highway, and the ACFR, which is the annual comprehensive financial report, are prepared. Our debt administration is the acquisition and management of new and
existing debt, including refinancing. Our finance coordinates a formal process to find the best interest rates and terms for the city. Our grant management includes the setting up, tracking, and completion of monthly, quarterly, and quarterly
financial reporting, and we coordinate with the participating departments. Our fixed assets involve the management of the city's over 4,900 fixed assets with an approximate value of $720 million. When assets are acquired or disposed,
finance tags and enters the fixed asset in our system. Capital projects and contributed property assets are entered in the fixed into the fixed asset system as a capital asset each year. For year end, the year end begins every October 1st.
A checklist with over 250 tasks is completed to prepare the ACFR. Many schedules, journal entries, reconciliations, and reports are prepared during a 3-month period. The ACFR is completed and submitted to the auditors and the GFOA's Special Review Committee.
And we've received the Certificate of Achievement Award for for 36 years and going now. >> Awesome. >> For audit, we have a preliminary audit that um actually is going to be coming up soon, I think. Um it's a 1-week term, 1-week engagement, but it typically lasts about
2 months. Our year-end audit, which is a 2-week engagement, lasts up to about 3 months. Uh we have a thorough examination of our internal controls and procedures for accounts payable, accounts receivable, budget, capital assets, cash and
investments, legal debt, grants, payroll, OPEB, pensions, prepaid self-insurance, and the ACFR. And the audit completion ends the prior year, and then we start the budget process. Budget, after the audit, from February to the last commission meeting in
September. That starts October 1st with a flurry of purchase requisitions. Finance and each department works to prepare their budget, review, and finalize to present to the commission and to the citizens.
Over 1,000 requisitions are submitted. Over 100 budget amendments and transfers are processed. Capital Improvement Plan is updated for each project. And we received the Distinguished Budget Presentation Award for 9 years and going now. And finally, this this chart is our
current citywide budget with the uh amendments included. And uh Uh budgeting is a preparation and of operational and capital budget annually. We maintain a 5-year capital plan. Forecast and analyze future revenue streams.
And we ensure the budget compliance throughout the fiscal year. And as you can see a breakdown, it's a breakdown of each of the departments. And categories. And that concludes my presentation for accounting. >> All right. Thank you, Peter. And up next is Marisol Ardanaz.
She is our purchasing manager and she's going to talk about the purchasing department. >> Good evening, everyone. I'll bring this down. I'm a little shorter. Um I'm going to talk about purchasing as um Cindy mentioned. Our goal is to obtain
the best total value for taxpayers funds while maintaining transparent, fair, and open competition. This ensures that the government acquires necessary goods and services without favoritism, collusion, or fraud. The Florida Statute 287 and 255 requires
that all local government agencies and counties stay in compliance with local, state, and federal laws. So, I wanted to say something that Peter mentioned. Um he mentioned a lot of the POs and we we typically work
hand-in-hand with um accounts payable. So, in this slide, I'm going to read some of the things that we do in our department. So, we process requisitions to uh purchase orders. We do competitive bidding, which is uh request for proposals, invitation to bids, or formal
solicitations. We also do vendor performance and evaluations. We do vendor maintenance and onboarding. We do contract management. We do um procure policy enforcement and updates. And we do spend analysis and cost control.
All right. The next slide is Our procurement department process more than 1,000 POs on annual basis. Last year alone for fiscal year 2024-25, we processed 1,014
POs. We did 65 solicitations. That's including sealed bids, informal solicitation, single source, and piggyback contracts so departments can stay in compliance. Please note that the work we do is
manual. We um don't have a software system to do the solicitations other than we post them on Vendorlink. >> And say that one more time, Marisol. Y'all >> We do everything manually. Mhm. We create our templates and we um
include the department scope of services into the template. So, once a solicitation is complete, we review the solicitation documents. We we read the plans, the schedules of values, and then it's posted on Vendorlink. Most
of the solicitations can run between 75 to 600 pages depending on the complexity of the project and who the engineering firm is, if any, because some of the um projects we get from our engineering firms and they submit all the plans and all the documents to us and we and then
we upload it. But when I process them myself, we do it manually. Okay, a few weeks ago our team did a research on multiple software um companies. After comparing pricing and qualifications, the department selected PlanetBids. The system will help
alleviate the manual work that we do on a day-to-day operations. Um more details is to follow. And here in this slide, yes, sir. >> interrupt. So, the the software you just looked at will take care of the having to do it manually.
>> Absolutely. >> Okay. >> Mhm. >> Thank you. >> So, in this slide, um we coordinate procurement need with This is like a workflow. We coordinate the procurement needs with internal departments. We enforce insurance compliance. We do solicitation evaluation compliance. We
negotiate pricing and terms and conditions. We procure fire compliance. We do federal procurement laws and regulation compliance. We also administer the purchasing cards, the P-cards, and fuel and fuel card program that we have. Okay, my last slide here. This is a
workflow uh process that we use when we first start working on a project. It just gives you some pinpoints of what we do. Um the department identifies the needs. We select the procurement method. We do the solicitation. We issue a
solicitation if it's required or based on the dollar thresholds, then we, you know, we use that table to let us know if we do need to do a solicitation. We also review and evaluate the documentation. We execute the contract. The project is awarded, and any work or
POs that need that go over 100,000, it's presented to commission for approval. The purchase order's processed, and then the vendor can begin the project. Departments monitors the project. And that's the end of my presentation. >> Marisol, how many people are in
purchasing? >> There is four people. There is two procurement officers and one contract specialist. And we did this with two people for over two decades. >> Is Is there something that um Let me say this the right way.
How can the city assist purchasing better? We've We've heard a couple of things about like bids and, you know, purchase orders taking longer, but knowing that a lot of stuff is entered manually, you guys have to cross every T, dot every I,
um because contracts are legal documents, of course. And but now you have four, but is it is there something that that that the city could do, departments could do better? Like, how could >> A lot of it is training, and we started doing um quarterly trainings with
department staff. So, we did a survey previously before. Elizabeth sent out um survey, and we asked departments, "What do you want to see? What do you What type of training do you need?" So, we've been asking the departments, and and sometimes we'll just if there's an issue
involved with, for example, P-cards, then we'll do a training on P-cards, just so they know that, "Hey, these are the things that are required when you're purchasing." So, we're hoping that the software that we start utilizing that it'll be easier for
our team and cleaner, more efficient for us. >> Okay. >> All right. So, I think it's also fair that the department finance has also issued um checklists, so that when departments are issuing things, they go through a checklist to make sure, cuz sometimes they purchasing would be
getting something incomplete. So, the idea is for the checklist to be able to make it more complete and provide guidance to the departments. >> Thank you, Mr. Bonpart. I can just elaborate a little bit more on that. The checklist was um something that I created years ago, and IT actually um
came in just recently and helped us um do a workflow with that checklist. So, that is to help the departments understand the process of when you're entering a requisition in the system. And then it literally guides you and asks you questions about, you know, is
is it over a certain threshold? Does it require a contract? You know, does it require insurance? Is the city doing um the service? Just a lot of um input on that on that checklist. We're also doing um a checklist with change orders. So, IT is working on that
as we speak. That's good to hear. More automation. Thank you. Right. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mayor Sol. Up next is Bob Keegan with He is our IT manager and he will be talking to us about IT.
>> [clears throat] >> Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Commissioners. Uh Cindy Lindsay asked me to um spend a little time to walk you through an overview of the city IT services and uh how they're organized, um what
they deliver, and kind of where we're heading with some of these services. Um so I have a little bit more to cover than my predecessors here, so um just hang on. Um so um So we have 20 services, core services
that IT is responsible for uh um managing and making sure that they're up and running. Um we kind of broke those down into six uh areas of focus. So to kind of give you an idea, those those are the 20 core services. I'm not
going to go into this slide with a lot of detail, but um hopefully you have those slides in front of you. Uh but those are those 20 services. Um there are many more tiny services, but these are the the main core ones that IT provides.
Um so this uh this uh pie chart is is the six service groups. And so if you look at the core technology infrastructure group, there's six services, business apps and uh data, there's five, user support uh
there's three, security and threat management, two, projects and emerging technologies, two, and governments and administration, okay? So we're kind of breaking out those 20 services, this is kind of where they fall in their groups. So as you can see,
uh on the outer ring are the actual services for this particular group, core technology. Uh this is the business application group with all the services that make that up, and so on and so forth. So, going in a little bit more detail
about the uh the the the core services, um system you know, so that core technology infrastructure group, systems that keep facilities, applications, and employees connected running around the clock. So, uh six services make that up is the data center. This is our secure locations
that powers many IT infrastructure services and applications. Uh there's 99.6 uptime for that that service. Um and then the network service, uh this is how all the data traffic uh
gets uh flows through this through the city from your computers through the servers to wherever it's uh and uh And so, fun fact there, we have 47 mi of fiber optic cable throughout the city, and this is what connects all 21
locations and all the computers and all that together, and that's how they all kind of talk together. 50 mi of Cat 5 cable. This is the cable that's connected to your computer or to your phone. Um so, as you can see, uh
uh there's a lot of cabling going in the city to make this all work. Uh 21 sites, 100 network devices, um and 40 TB per day for network traffic. So, um I did a little analogy. 40 TB of
traffic is the equivalent of 8,000 Netflix streaming movies. >> [laughter] >> Kind of gives you an idea how much traffic network traffic is going through [clears throat] our our digital pipes. >> Great way to put it. >> Um and so, the uh the next service uh in
in this group is the phone and cellular. Um you know, fun fact there, there's 300 over 300,000 phone calls made to our phone system each year. >> From Commissioner Thomas? >> [laughter] >> No, only 180,000 of those are mine.
>> Um and then the uh um you know, the some of the you can see some of the uh cellular 150 terabytes of data per year for our cellular phones. A lot of this is made up by the uh the police department with their with their uh with their applications that they use out in
the field. Also public works and utilities is starting to uh use more mobile devices. Okay, um core technology and infrastructure systems that keep facilities, applications, and employees connected running around the clock. So
infrastructure on premise. Um this is the the servers and the storage and uh the network stuff that's all inside of our data centers. Okay, that's what on premise means. That's just the an industry word, buzzword. On premise is in our data centers. So we have 60
virtual servers. They're not actual servers physically, they're virtual, and all 60 of them are in a box about this thick. Okay? So the days of 60 servers, server farms, those are those are long over. 45
terabytes of active data storage. So uh 40 45 terabytes is the equivalent of 11 million high-res photos. So that is the the scope of the data
that IT is responsible to care and feed to make sure that they it's available when you need it, it's backed up, and uh uh secure. Um and then uh let's see, email platform. Uh this this includes not only email,
but our calendaring system, uh our shared mailboxes and the archiving of our email. Fun fact, 3 million emails a year. >> That had to go down after >> are spam? 150,000 are spam? >> than that. >> Yeah,
got to be. >> Mine alone is 150,000. >> of >> That 3 million had to go down after Lonnie retired. >> He's still sending. >> Oh. Uh and and so uh kind of gives you an idea of what that service is. And and just uh uh if you may have not known,
but our conference rooms, many of them are set up so that you don't have to call an admin to reserve a room. You can all do that all through Outlook um when you book a meeting with people. Um continuing Okay, so looking forward, continuing the shift toward cloud-based
mobile-first services, decommission we're we plan We have plans to decommission one of our data centers. Um a data center costs a lot of money to power, AC, uh and all the maintenance that goes uh along with that. So, our plan is
long-term that we are going to de- decommission one of those data centers. Get it from two to one. Um modernizing our aging network equipment. Believe it or not, when I first started here about 8 years ago, that was the first thing that was on my checklist was to replace our
uh network. And so uh 8 years, that that equipment still churning along, but uh it definitely needs a refresh. All right. Business applications and data. This is the next group. Uh so,
this is our financial uh applications, AS/400, Naviline, HTE, it goes by many many acronyms over the years. Um but this is where accounting, purchasing, payroll, and utilities customer service, and billing. Fun fact,
there's about 180,000 uh payments that flow through that ERP system. Um lots of uh storage in there. And uh and and the next one is GIS. GIS is a um
location and data and maps tool. Um so uh this is basically uh we can app we can track uh our assets. Um whatever those are, they could be fire hydrants, they could be park benches,
whatever whatever that is in GIS, we can track all that in in a in a graphical way in a map uh display. Fun fact, we have about 25,000 visitors on our website that look at our GS GIS applications.
Uh applications on prem again, on prem, this is inside our data center. Um >> Public views. >> These are mainly vendor systems that run inside of our data center. Many of them are IT related, um like such as our
print service. And you can see one of the fun facts is we have about 1 million print and copy pages a year. Maybe it's more than that. >> those are for our agenda. >> Yeah. Okay. Um applications uh cloud, these
are our uh third-party uh vendor applications that do not run in our data centers, but they're actually running in a cloud system. All right, so for example, our work order and asset management system is one of those. Um so since 2023, over 18,000 work
orders were were flowing through that that cloud system. Uh recreation uh uh department uses an online uh cloud application for their rental and pavilion rentals, their uh youth and
adult uh sports programs as well. Um and also our city mobile app is in the cloud and our city website obviously is in the cloud as well. Those are some examples. All right, and so moving on to the next is the applications modern. Okay, so
this is kind of a a new uh service. Um, and these are the applications that we develop in-house. And as Marisol mentioned, the purchasing checklist was one of those. Uh, where we uh one of our systems analyst is
actually developing uh solutions, workflows, um as as customers like Marisol comes to us and say we have we have a need to turn our manual paper-based uh workflows, our processes to something
better than what it is today. And so uh we're constantly looking for opportunities to do that. So one example is we currently um uh the police department came to us and they they have a and many forms that they do.
Uh, and it goes it's paper-based and it went up the chain of command to get signatures and all that. So we we uh converted that to an online workflow system and it started I think in right around the springtime. And as of today
there's been 4 1,500 uh requests that have flown through that system. So, big win there. Um, also another big win was uh recently this weekend the Cart Fest uh event that happened.
Um, the we we were planning on converting uh the the police department had a very old application for golf cart inspections tracking and managing. So we converted
that to a more modern application. And then for the Cart Fest, one of the requirements that the folks had was, "Hey, can we get online payments uh for this event. And so um uh that team, which included police,
recreation, and IT, did a fabulous job in 30 days to get that all tied together so we have our online payment system integrated with the new police department uh application for their golf cart uh tracking system. So, those are just some of the uh some
of the cool things and um we spun up a employee portal internet I it goes by some people call it uh back in October of last year. And so, we've had 11,000 employees visit the different views on that internet. So,
these are that's kind of what the modern applications are. And we're so we're using modern techniques to convert paper-based manual-based workflows into something more modern online. Okay. Um looking ahead.
Uh this is the only one I have bulleted. And so, and I made sure I cleared it with Cindy before I got up there. Uh modernizing our financial system uh to something more modern. Um our I would say that our current financial
ERP system is very old. Um and when you have older technology, it's it's hard to integrate with other systems and um you know, APIs is a is is a is a bridge to other systems. And and so, it is very difficult to do anything with that
system. Um so, Cindy is uh spinning up a project to uh looking at uh replacing our current ERP system with something more modern. All right. So, more to come on that. Um expanding our GIS capabilities and
continue automating workflows with with departments. So, if you all have ideas, we're we're very much open. We're looking for uh how we can help you to do better or whatever that is. And anybody in this room, too. Okay. Uh, the next, uh, group is user
support. These are This is the group that you're probably, uh, more familiar with. These are the, uh, help desk and the desk side support technicians. >> Excellent customer service. >> They very They are. Yes. And and so, they, uh, so you're probably more
familiar with them. I call them the the the IT firefighters. >> They are. >> They put out fires, uh, whatever those fires may be from a from a digital perspective. Um, and so, it's since 2023 or 2023, 6,000 tickets. We saw an
increase of 200% from 2023. Um, quite a few things that contributed to that. Uh, going through a Windows migration is always always tough to do. And that contributed to a lot of those tickets. But also, I
think the, uh, this the the the the the help desk and the desk side folks, they are very dedicated. And so, now, um, then I'll talk about that in IT service management. So, we used to have a lot of walk-ups, phone calls, but they never they never tracked those. They
never created a ticket. And so, they being disciplined by doing that, I think helped to contribute with that with that increase as well. Um, so, moving on, asset management. Um, I consider asset management more than just computers and monitors and
cell phones. Um, every IT asset, uh, things that we use like IDs, uh, monitors, um, systems, applications, whatever it is that we may we manage, I consider an asset. So,
collectively, we have about 4,900 uh, IT assets that we that we're responsible in some way or fashion. IT service management um This is a methodology. Uh ITSM, IT service management. Um and
so it's for change management, release management, incident management. So there is a methodology that we're incorporating with the entire IT team. And so I think that helps to contribute with some of the increases and and and and and really the focus is to have
better positive customer service. Um that that's that's my reigning that's my overarching uh theme that I tell my folks. Customer service, improve customer experiences.
Um positive customer experiences. And so that's that's kind of what we try uh try to do each day. Uh expand uh employee self-service tools. We call this level zero support. So instead of you know, relying on and talking to
somebody, we want to provide more self-service tools where you can kind of help yourself solve whatever that issue is. Um shopping cart experience you know, I'd love to get our software and hardware ordering system like Amazon-ish
with a shopping cart experience. Um dashboards and analytics obviously is everyone likes dashboards. Um security threat management. Okay, this group broken into two, physical security which is our our door controllers are uh and our security
cameras. Um So fun fact there, 500 terabytes of camera video footage and the that is the equivalent of 100,000 high definition movies.
That's enough to watch 23 years of Netflix continuously. So it kind of puts that puts that service in perspective. Um the other fun fact, which was a little eye-opening to me when I was doing this,
there's 3/4 of a million door swipes. You know, when you enter our doors? >> Mhm. >> 3/4 of a million per year. That was eye-opening. Um which kind of explains why some of our door con- our older door controllers are failing. >> Mhm.
>> Um So, continued uh employee security awareness training. You know, that's always a on looking a ongoing goal, and expand video analytics and monitoring. Some really cool things that we can do in the uh video space. Cybersecurity, I'm not going to go into
into any detail for obvious reasons. Um but uh uh we had a a hundred billion plus cybersecurity events that that we monitored in some way or fashion. When we moved to the Microsoft cloud environment, it opened up an incredible
amount of insights uh for us. Um and then 60 60 million of those a hundred were actually blocked by our our shield, I'll call it. Our layers that we had that we have employed. Um so
and I think it was 2024, we had like 40 billion. And now we're up to 60. And obviously AI's playing a role in that in that sharp increase. Okay, projects and emerging technology projects. There's
um managing the city's technology and project portfolio. Currently, we have 25 active uh projects, 15 that are in our backlog. Um three significant ones that IT uh played a role in was the three
buildings, uh the breezeway, um the utilities complex new building, and fire station 40. Uh There is a lot of IT effort that goes in along with buildings like like those projects like that. So, that was a very
significant effort that consumed a lot of IT time. Finalizing enterprise app app standards. So, the modern applications that I mentioned we're coming up with standards like
customer portals and dashboards and and roles management and and automation. And so, that's kind of where we're going with projects. And then, automation and AI, obviously that's a that's a hot topic, but uh I it it's
I I I would if I had to summarize it, we're retooling from a forms and workflow workflow focus to automation and AI. Okay? So, this is a
one of those status quo moments where you really got to it's a mind shift when you're talking about AI and automation today. >> Uh let me ask you a quick question cuz you you said that Cindy gave you the okay for these new modern applications.
And with technology changing so rapidly, is there a such thing as modern technology? And like how how are we making sure that we're using our funding wisely? Like if we're going to get this this application and next year will you be required to spend, you know, another
half a million dollars for another application? >> Yeah, so um the you know, 2 years ago 3 years ago, you know, our focus was really on workflow, taking those manual paper-based >> [snorts]
>> pro workflows and processes and converting them more into an online not automated, but an online electronic version of the paper paper-based um
um uh processes. >> Mhm. >> So, that's that was the space that we were in, and we are trying to turn the the tide, so to speak, to look more at automation and
and AI wherever AI fits. And so, um um that's where we're at. We're kind of in that in between of the old way of doing things and the new way, and it's happening so fast. I mean, it's it it's >> Yeah.
>> you know, just when we think we we we we found something we want to start moving forward with, something else comes out. >> Mhm. >> So, um I can I can probably spend an hour talking about this, but um you know, if you want, feel free. I I I'm more than
happy to talk to any of you um if you if you want to know more, but um but the here's here's the other thing. With AI, you have to be careful. And um if we make mistakes in the past, they
were slow mistakes. But if you make mistakes with AI, they're lightning fast. Okay? So, things can go real sideways real fast. And there's a lot of um you know, things that from a legal perspective we have to make sure with that we're we're good
when we set these AI applications up. And so, kind of leading into that, um we're we're creating a a foundation We're in our foundation phase, where we're setting up an AI governance committee, uh and Tony Romando is on that. Uh um
Elizabeth Jones is, myself, and a few other IT folks. And so, we're and we're coming up with a AI governance policy that has a lot of details uh that before we dive into an AI solution
here's here's certain things that we have to do from a technical, cybersecurity, a legal perspective. Maybe HR perspective. So there's a lot that we have to consider. Um and so that's what that committee's kind of doing. We're kind of forming
this and and kind of getting this this this off the ground. Um And also part of that is the data strategy. Um I I I guess I'll just be I'll just say it nice. Our data's a mess. We have data
all over the place. You know, I love to give the example we probably have 30 copies of the same PO floating wherever wherever people save it to. And so we need to get out of that mindset. All right? And so the data
strategy is we're coming up with a a new uh uh data storage area that's going to have all the modern stuff along with it with compliancy and retention and security. And then uh we're kind of starting with a at a clean slate. And as
we go around to departments departments and find out what's your good data, then we'll migrate that good data up to the new and then everything will be pointed at the new. All right? So um I you know, I kind of joke around we
would we would confuse AI with our data. >> [laughter] >> Um so >> Are you using SharePoint? Are you using SharePoint at all? >> Yeah, that's what the employee portal is based on. Yeah. Um so anyways, um we dabbled around with the website a little
bit. We did some AI stuff with the website. Kind of helped us out with ADA back in April. Really helped out. Um phone system we did a a trial on the phone system with the uh with our vendor AI solution.
It's pretty cool. I have to admit. So, it has a lot of potential that we can do that to offload what I call that level zero support for our our residents and and you know, whoever's trying to reach the city where they can get quicker answers.
Um, and then Microsoft Copilot, which is uh, with our M365 licenses, we have Copilot >> like. >> Which, you know, can help you out with your emails and scheduling and things like that, but uh >> Save entry. >> Yeah, but
AI is not cheap. It's really not. So, that's what this committee is really getting our arms around this. All right. So, um, and then phase one, once we get out of the foundation phase, we're going to launch two or three low low-risk pilots. Um,
Mr. Ramondo and his team, uh, they really have the our first AI application with their group. Um, so we're pretty excited to support them as as they need it and then and see see what AI can really do for
the city. And and from what I saw from it, it's going to be a big win. It really is. Um, scale to and then phase two is as as we learn more and more, we get more medium uh, risk cases and as our data gets better then we'll
So, it's a it's a heavy lift and a lot a lot needs to go into it. All right. Um, governance and administration. So, um, this is really the last group. IT governance, this is what this is what I call the guardrails for IT and and and
employees. Keeps our technology and staff compliant with local, state, and federal law uh, and and industry best practices. Um, as Peter mentioned before, we we assist with their annual financial audits. We do
quarterly PCI audits for online payments, uh, compliancy. Uh, every 3 years, we work with the police department on an FDLC just technical audit. Uh, we we, uh, support utilities in their EPA
audits. Um, and then we do internal compliance audits, um, inter- in in-house. Um, so IT administration, I'll just call this is the red tape of our city. Uh, this is where we do, you
know, the planning, the budgeting, the reporting, the and purchasing, vendor management, invoice processing, audits, and all that stuff that goes along with running a, um, a department or a division. Um, fun fact, IT processes 150
requisitions and 400, uh, invoices per year. So, we we think we're third or fourth on the consumer list for purchasing in that respect and AP. Um, and then, uh, there's some other stats there. Looking forward, we definitely want to
modernize our our IT policies, um, really streamlining, automating this where where we can. I think there's a big win in there if we can, uh, especially on the invoicing side. Um, uh,
and then support our timekeeping project. Some of the key initiatives, I'm not going to go in detail, um, but I will highlight two two key initiatives. Um, if you notice, there is not a training service in that any of that.
And that is a big gap that IT has. Um, uh, it's one of those catch-22s. Uh, we know we have to provide more training for it for for end users on how to use the tools that we provide them. But, we do a lot of support.
And that's it's one of the first things that doesn't get done, unfortunately. So, so that's a challenge that we have to do internally. Um and then, kind of along the same lines, more development and less support. And that's the catch-22 that I was talking about.
And this is the uh 10 folks that uh support you all and everyone in in the city uh from a technology perspective, I have a fabulous team. Um and uh I've been in this in this game for 36
years and this is by far the best team of IT folks I've ever been associated with. So, uh very glad to have them have them on. Um >> [laughter] >> So, that's it.
>> Danielle and Danielle team? >> What's that? >> Danielle? >> No, she's in on finance now. >> Oh, okay. >> Snatched her up. >> Mr. Mayor, members of the commission, to the commission as I'm going to ask questions, so again, I want to thank um
for seeing what finance IT does. They're behind the scenes. And I have said to Bob and Sue, I get to meet with the new IT people, that years ago, years and years ago, there was a new cause of heart attack.
Yeah, file not found. And the fact of we have the team and now with cybersecurity and AI, it is very, very important uh to Marisol, we have a budget of over 400 million dollars. That's a purchasing of a lot of
different stuff. And you've heard that we're looking at improving the time it takes for a department to request something and to get it. And to Peter, I'd like to say that years ago, I told somebody that as hard as it is for city manager to see headlines about crime in the city, a worst
headline is city funds missing. >> Mr. Bonner, I know it's after 6:00, but my question is is being that you handle the day-to-day operations, what would you grade um finance, purchasing, IT, and who else
What was the other one? >> Well, fortu- Fortunately, Commissioner, they're graded each year. And if you go up to their office, you'll see all the plaques that they have when people, the professional, the GFOA, the Government Finance Association, does grade our finance department. >> I'm asking you, though.
As a city manager, overall, I'm not You don't have to >> They're the best. >> Okay, that sounds good for me. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Mayor, thank you. >> absolutely agree with that, and I've had uh numerous experiences, especially in our IT department, and they have been on
the money, responsible in a great way, and fixing problems. I gave them some challenges, and they rose to the occasions, and uh as I already told the team earlier today, and I will say it again publicly,
a commission meeting ago, I said something dumb about IT, and it was tongue-in-cheek, but was nonetheless stupid to say. I'm apologizing again to you guys for that. I appreciate everything you do, and you have risen to
the occasion every time with me and all of my needs, and I know you do the same for everybody else in the city. So, thank you all, and finance, and Cindy, and everybody else in your organization. Keep up the good work. >> I'm just glad y'all are looking at the heavy lift of replacing the AS/400.
>> Ooh. >> And that's >> Yeah. >> That's the challenge. >> Okay. Anything else? >> Well, Mr. Mayor, we are now at 20 past the time. Um Miss uh Elizabeth Jones had a emergency, so she's not here. Uh we do
have about the public art commission that can spend a minute, or if you want, we can do that next time. Um the two other items were that you did get a update on the city [snorts] manager goals as the interim, and you can report to me directly. And then finally, we did
get a report from the county regarding the city's use of Scout by our residents, and can decide what you want to do with that. So, good. >> Um do you all want to try to rush through >> semi-useful. >> No. I hate that they're here, and we're not getting to them,
but I also don't want to rush that discussion. >> Thanks. >> I agree. >> All right. Um >> Yeah. >> We Everyone got I know we don't have much time between now and 7:00, but everyone got um applications. If you
want to try to breeze through those, where those I'll hand it out. Um and we're going to try to at least appoint one or two members to be on the A at the end of the meeting. >> We need two, right? >> They Yes, they would like to I think I'll talk with them again,
but I know of I've seen two good ones in there. >> Me, too. >> So. >> Good. >> All right, we're adjourned. >> Read while you eat. >> Listen. Part: 2
Oh, I forgot. >> Don't blame it on him. >> So, you holding up the show as usual. >> I was waiting for the fancy music to stop. Okay. All right. We'll go ahead and uh excuse me. We'll go ahead and call to order the meeting of the Sanford City
Commission uh for Monday, July 27th, 2026. First order of business is our legislative prayer by Pastor Kevin Vasquez of the Glacia Vita Noea. Is he here? Yes. Hey, everybody, please rise and followed
by the pledge. Good evening. Let us pray. Heavenly Father, we thank you for the opportunity to gather here today in service to our community in the beautiful city of Sanford. Lord, we lift up our city leaders, city commissioner, staff, and
all present. Grant them the wisdom, discernment, and integrity as they make decisions that impact our neighborhoods, our families, and our future generations. And father, we recognize the diversity of this community, people from different backgrounds, cultures, and experience. Help us to work together
in unity with mutual respect, understanding, and seeking the common good for all. We pray for every family in our city for peace in our homes, safety in our streets, and opportunity for our children. Strengthen those who serve daily to make this community a
better place. And Lord, guide the conversations in this meeting. Let truth, fairness, and compassion lead every discussion. Father, remind us that leadership is service. May every decision made here reflect the heart to serve people with love and excellence.
We place this meeting in your hands and trust you to guide every single outcome. In Jesus mighty name we pray. Amen. >> Amen. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, pastor. >> Right. And so we have a presentation from the Florida League committee doing the introduction. >> Yes, Mr. mayor, members of city commission, and to the audience. We have
a very special presentation. So, I'd like to have the person from the league come. They're going to present what's called the John Land Award, and it is given to elected officials that have served over 20 years of service. And we happen to have one with us right now. So, if you want to call up Mayor
Wardruff. >> Good evening, mayor, members of the commission, staff, and citizens. My name is Aaron Alcorn. I am the member services administrator from the Florida League of Cities, which is located in Tallahassee, Florida. And just for the benefit of the audience members who have never heard of the Florida League of
Cities, we have served as the united voice for Florida's 411 cities, towns, and villages since 1922. And since our beginning, our mission has remained the same, which is to protect local decisionmaking because we believe
local decisions should be made by those who know their communities best. And so, I do want to take a moment to say thank you to the city of Sanford for being a dedicated member of the Florida League of Cities. As mentioned, I am here this evening to present Mayor Woodruff with the John
Land Years of Service Award in recognition of his 22 years of service to the city of Sanford. This award was named after a Popka Mayor John Land who served his city for more than 60 years. And so this award recognizes elected
officials like the mayor for such extensive and dedicated years of service to their communities. So, if I may read the resolution, it says, "Whereas America's municipal governments have long relied upon the
leadership of their citizens for local self-government, and Florida's municipal governments share the timehonored role as the level of government closest to the people. And whereas this reliance places extraordinary responsibilities upon citizen legislators, our municipal-
elected officials who make significant sacrifices of their time and energies on behalf of their citizenry, making this commitment a true labor of love. And whereas municipal leaders strive for excellence in the governance of their city, town or village, and commit
themselves to providing quality services, governing effectively and working to improve the quality of life. And whereas several terms in office are a high compliment voters give to an official. And with these years of experience comes a strengthening of
wisdom, discernment, and strong leadership skills that bring tremendous value to the municipal governments of Florida. And whereas Art Woodruff has held office in the city of Sanford for 22 years and is recognized for this achievement. Now, if I may add a note, I
had the chance to speak to the mayor earlier this evening and learned that he is also a public servant as a teacher here um locally as well. And so, I think it's remarkable to to know that he is serving the public in so many ways. And so, on behalf of the Florida League of
Cities, congratulations on 22 years of service. Thank you so much. Erin, you didn't read the last clause that said he's not allowed to leave. >> There. Well, thank you.
>> I take I have to take a break every 10 to 12 years. We'll see what happens. >> Okay, fine. >> Okay, >> you can have five. >> All right. So, that brings us to the minutes of the July 13, 2026 regular meeting and work session. >> Second. >> Uh, one little correction there
uh on Well, you went so fast. >> Page 10. Page 10. I'll get there. I think she gave me credit for something Patrick did. There was a Austin Thomas switch in there somewhere. >> Oh dear. Get with me tomorrow and I'll
make the correction. >> And if you could, there's a section uh where Mayor Woodruff was observing that preserving every available financial option blah blah blah. Um I think you should add Sheena Commissioner Britain made some great suggestions about adding
videos when we're talking about promoting um the fire feed >> and that I think that should be in the minutes. >> Absolutely. Make that adjustment. >> Okay. Good. >> And that was regular meeting. >> That was the work session. >> Perfect. Thank you.
>> Okay. So is the motion with those um >> motion with those changes >> motions. and the second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? >> Cast unanimously. >> Um, regarding speaking before the
commission to facilitate public input, if you plan to speak on an item, we would appreciate it if you fill out the yellow form that you will find at the back and it will be brought up to me. Um, the public will be given an opportunity to speak on any item before the city commission during the regular meeting. Uh before the consent agenda,
I'll check to make sure if anyone wants to speak on any of those items during public hearings before a motion is made, there will always be an opportunity for public comment. Um during regular items, if you have not filled out the yellow form, if you'd raise your hand when we get to that item, you'll be recognized. There's three minute time limit for each
speaker on each item except a person representing an organization and presenting its views during a quai judicial hearing um will be allowed five minutes. Citizen participation takes place after public hearings. Um, and the individuals can address the commission on any topic not on the agenda. There's
a fivem minute time limit for citizen comments. So, does anyone in the audience wish to speak on any of the items on the consent agenda? See, no one Yes, ma'am. On the consent agenda. the block grant.
>> Yes ma'am. Have you come to the podium please? >> Good evening everyone. My name is Lovely Bean and I live in Oido Florida. Born and raised in S Florida. Uh my family, the majority is still in Sanford
Florida. I'm here to plead the cause of the poor, the homeless, the low income. I saw at the meeting that they had eliminated the 2% that had been previously allotted to the homeless. I
work out with the homeless weekly and there is a crisis out there with homeless people living in the woods, can't find affordable housing. Uh the Lord told me to link them up with the
resources. The um salt had washers and dryers and with the showers for them to bathe in and they lost funding for the washers and dryers. So that's why I'm here. They lost
funding for the transportation for them to get to Harvest Time where they moved from on 13th Street. They're on Second Street. I mean, they're just widespread from Lake Mary to Midway. It's so many homeless people out here. This is a
crisis. And we would just like for um Samford, my home city, to rise up and be one of the first cities to really do um something to help get people, you know, um into homes and out of these wars.
there are children that's living out there in the park and with their parents because they can't find affordable housing. So the the lady today I picked up um she got out the hospital took her to the shelter and the shelter is full.
People are still out there for like two years a man waiting on housing as far working with them. They need more funding. Um he's number 120 on a waiting list for housing there. And these are
residents of Sanford, people that I grew up with, a lot of them. I'm staying on the streets now, you know, and my heart is just so broken because that need is not being met. And it's not just here because we go to Orlando, too. It's a
big problem. It's a problem in Georgia. Everywhere you go, homelessness is an issue. But I just wish we could be put on the map as being one of the first cities or counties that really did something to help the homeless get off
of um you know back up on their feet because they're down and we if we just do what the Bible tell us to do, do unto others as we would want them to do un to us. Many of them out there say that they had good jobs. We have vets out there,
but it just took um a sickness or something to knock them out. And now they're down. They have nowhere to go. So, who cares? I care because Bible say what I do to the least be doing unto him. Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Um just to clarify, um is I don't see Okay, Nikki. Um, didn't we leave the money for the homeless in the um in the plan? We just sort of put it in a different category or recategorized it
just to clarify. >> Hello. Good afternoon. Nicole um Osburn, director of development, I'm sorry, community relations and neighborhood development. So, we move that we're not opening the program this year because
we're working with Simino County to figure out how they are addressing the personal responsibility and work opportunity reconciliation act of 1966. So, the act and I may have attorney
Green help me speak through the act. The act says that we cannot provide benefits to illegal aliens. So we'll need someone to vet the individual that are receiving services from our program. So we're reaching out to Simino County to see how
they plan to work with the mission on this. However, we do have our public services grant that is still open. So agencies are welcome to apply for our public services dollars to address homeless needs. However, we still need to address this act.
>> Okay. And we do um through our budget make direct um payment to the rescue outreach mission. >> Correct. >> Still okay. >> They're one of our grant recipients for this year. >> Okay. >> And habitat >> habitat for 26 outreach mission for 25
funding. >> Right. But we've got we have our line item for the rescue outreach mission in the budget again this year, don't we? >> Yeah. Cindy's not here. Yes, I believe so. >> Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I still saw that. So, we do still support them directly. >> Yes. I'm sorry, but not through my
grant. >> Right. Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Mr. Mayor, can I add the city of Sanford does already a a good job because we are the only city in Simino County that has a mission. We have two of them. We also
have two health departments and we have public private partnerships that help to build affordable housing. There are two in my district and also as well in district 2 with Commissioner Wiggins that assists with affordable housing and the CDBG that Nikki did not mention um
but that they spoke about earlier is doing the down payment assistant to help with affordable housing. So, the city of Sanford is doing their share. >> Right. Okay. Is there anyone else that wanted to speak on Yes, ma'am.
Good evening. My name is Felicia Reid and I am a resident of Sanford. Um, first I would like to begin by just commending the job that the city has been doing and all of the related organizations that strive on a daily
basis and try to ensure that our city residents are well taken care of and that there's legislation being passed so that no one is left on the outskirts. So, Commissioner Britain, I appreciate um you and what your office is doing and
all of our commissioners and as well if I have to say, Mayor, we thank you for your dedication over these decades. Um the award that you receive is welld deserved and we just as constituents um
would like to offer our partnership um in making sure that we're able to include all of our residents. Um it is very important that we pay attention to
people that are here legally um as our residents and voting population. Um, aside from taking care of business in a humanitarian effort, aside from being sure that Sanford residents are well
kept and care for, um, one thing I would like to point out is the 2% that was originally in the budget that is not currently in the budget is for homelessness prevention. Um, and I point that out because we know that that is a
real problem, especially with the community, um, all communities experiencing, massive inflation, rising costs of all of essentials, right? Food, housing, child care, um, all of the essentials
that we need in order to thrive and have the community, our community members thrive. However, there is a substantial portion that are already on the outskirts and already um not within that
2% because they don't have homes to for us to help prevent them from losing. So I just, you know, come before all of you with an open heart and an open mind stating that we really as citizens of
Semino County, citizens of Sanford, we are invested in doing our part um as people that are in the trenches outside every day and ensuring that we're communicating and that we're doing our best to be good citizens in order to
help our leaders be able to help our least. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Is there anyone else that wanted to speak on an item on the consent agenda? >> Bring that agenda to the commission for action.
>> I have I don't I don't need to pull them all, but I was just concerning how on um item H is different from I and J when it comes to the hydrants. If the repair is 53,000 and then a full um a brand new
one is 65. I was just wondering about the cost. >> Okay. Let's just let's pull those. >> Okay. Um Mr. Mayor, I'd like to pull item H, I J, and K. >> Okay. So, we have a motion on A through G and
L through R. >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Any opposed? Basley. Uh, Mr. Johnson. >> Always got to be you, huh? >> Okay. I I just I was just looking at the numbers and so one of them is just the
repair and that's 53,000, but a brand new one is 67,000. So, I was just wondering what's going on there. I see that there there is one for repair, one for relocation, and a brand new one, but they're all relatively like in the same price bracket. So, I was just wondering about that.
>> Um, so all of the prices vary because of location, depth of the pipe, >> size of the pipe, um, all of those different things factor in the number of um, some of them require line stops, which is one of the reasons that we're having the contractor do it. Um, I believe they're all new fire hydrants.
That's right. They're all brand new. And none of them are repairs. >> Okay. This one says the emergency repair of a fire hydrant on Hartwell. And that's $53,000 on a brand new one. >> No, it it may say repair. They're all brand new hydrants. That was probably a mistake on our
>> But one of them was run over, wasn't it? >> And one was ran over, >> right? >> Okay. So, >> repairing that by replacing it. >> Okay. >> Yes. They're they're all >> It's a new one. >> They're all brand new hydrants. >> Okay. that I just wanted to know what was the the issue with that.
>> Yeah, that was our mistake. >> All right. So, do we have a motion on H through K? >> Move to approve. >> Second. All in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Questionly. Brings us to U. Public hearing. Second reading ordinance 4860.
>> Ordinance 20264860. An ordinance of the city of Sanford, Florida, annexing by voluntary petition certain real properties which is generally addressed as 100 Crosswood Loop located contiguous to the city of Sanford together with associated rightaway in accordance with the
voluntary annexation provisions of section 171.044 044 Florida statute redefining the boundaries of the city of Sanford to include said property amending the boundaries of the city in accordance with the provisions of section 166.031 031 Florida statutes
providing for findings, providing for conditions, directing the city clerk to record the ordinance with the clerk of the circuit court with the chief administrative office of semino county and with the department of state providing for legal description and a map and providing for the incorporation
of that exhibit, repealing all ordinances on conflict here, providing for severability, providing for non-codification and taking of administrative actions and providing for an effective Mr. Mayor, members of the city commission, the city staff have reviewed the request for annexation and
found the request to meet the criteria set forth in the Florida statutes. The properties boundaries are contiguous to the city's boundaries and are reasonable compact. Therefore, it is the city staff recommendation. City commissioner approve ordinance number 4860 at first reading. Okay. Since we had full
presentations last time, are we doing presentations again this time? >> No, mayor, we're not. >> Okay. So we'll just take each item individually as Okay. >> Correct. On the PV there will be um some corrections to that. >> Okay. So do you have any comments on the
annexation? >> No sir. >> All right. Does the applicant want to wish to speak on the annexation public hearing? >> Okay. This is a public hearing. Anyone wish to speak on the annexation of this property? Seeing no one. I'll close the public hearing. Bring commission for
action. Move >> to approve. Second motion a second. Have you heard further discussion? All in favor? I >> I. Any opposed? Pass unanimously. I forgot to mention at the beginning of the meeting, Commissioner Wiggins will not be here this evening. He's traveling
with his family. Um that brings the second reading of ordinance 4861. Mr. Ordinance of the city of Sanford, Florida, amending the city of Sanford comprehensive plan as previously amended, providing for amendment of the future land use element of the city of
Sanford comprehensive plan relative to certain real property of approximately 2.65 65 acres from highintensity plan development target industry to westside industry and commerce and assigned tax
ID number 2819305340010 which is generally addressed as 100 Crosswood Loop within city limits said property being more specifically described in this ordinance providing for legislative findings and intent providing for assignment of the land use designation for the property prov
Providing for adoption of maps by reference, providing for severability, providing for ratification of prior acts of the city, providing for conflicts, providing for codification and directions to the code codifier, and providing for the implementation of the statutory expedited state review process
and an effective date. >> Mr. Mayor, members of the city commission, the city's planning and zoning commission voted to recommend that the city commission adopt a small sale comprehensive plan amendment to convert future land use from highintensity to plan development target industry to westside industry and
commerce. And therefore, it is the staff's recommendation city commission approve ordinance number 4861. >> Mr. Mayor, I believe they need to be sworn in. >> Not until the next one. Okay. >> Not on that one yet.
Um okay so anything on on the >> no ma'am compreent anything from applicant on comprehensive plan >> okay this is a public hearing anyone in the audience wish to speak to the um comprehensive planning um change
okay see no close public hearing bring commission for action >> approved >> uh one question on the recommendation this time as opposed to last time. There was a comment last time about the one commissioner on planning zoning
saying no and quoting some of the Florida the future land use amendments. That statement was removed this time. Was there a reason for that or just didn't seem as relevant this time?
>> Um the statement was removed from the staff report. >> Yeah. And the staff recommend staff and planning and zoning commission recommended the city commission adopt the comprehensive plan amendment. Period. >> Yeah, I think it just uh didn't get carried forward. Okay. But it still stands that the commissioner was
>> Okay. >> Just checking on that. Thank you. And on those are the only questions I have for you. >> Okay. But I think we need to start over. I need a motion. >> Patrick did the first motion. We need a
second. >> We never got a second. So, Commissioner Austin, you still have the motion? >> I do. >> Okay. Do we have a second? >> I'm I'm trying to see if my the other questions I have are on this one or the next one.
Do I need to pass the gavl? Possibly not. >> I think we can approve this one. >> Okay. So, can you make the second? >> Second. >> All right. Motion a second. Any further discussion? All in favor?
>> I. Any opposed? Pass unanimously. Okay. Um, brings us to second reading of ordinance 4862. Green. an ordinance of the city of Sanford, Florida, providing for the PD reszoning of a parcel of real property totaling
approximately 22.22 acres in size located at 100 Cross Loop Crosswood Loop by Semino County Property Appraisers. Uh the following tax partial ID numbers 291930503
40010 1619305 AC40096019305 A40096A 1619305 Aac 4096E and 161930 5ac 400870
161958 AC 40087A 161935 AC 400087C. which property is located within the Sanford city limits to establish the Royal Palm at Crosswood Loop PD,
providing for findings and intent, providing for the taking of implementing administrative actions, providing for the adoption of a map by reference, providing for conflicts, providing for severability, providing for non-codification and the correction of scrier's errors, and providing for an
effective date and potential reversion. >> Mr. Mayor, members of the city commission, the city's planning and zoning commission voted unanimously to recommend that the city commission adopt the ordinance number 4862. Okay, this is quai destro. So, let me read this and this will apply
both to this item and to the the next item. Um, in order when an agenda item involves a quaz judicial process, commissioners must disclose all exparte communications, including the name of the communicator and the time, place, and substance of the communication.
Written communications, commissioner's investigation, site visits, and receipt of expert opinions must also be disclosed and made a part of the record. Persons who have opinions contrary to those expressed in an exparte communication may refute or respond to the communication at the hearing when
they make their presentation. In Qua's eye judicial process, parties to the proceedings are generally the city and the applicant. Others who have legal standing to appeal the decision can also request to be recognized as a party. Parties are subject to cross-examination and must give their testimony under
oath. Persons do not have to be a party to the proceedings to be recognized and provide comments. Members of the public who wish to make comments are not subject to cross-examination and are not sworn in as evidentary witnesses. Comments of the public that provide facts relevant to the application will be considered in the decision.
Qualifications of city staff are part of the agenda materials. All testimony and evidence provided to the city commission must be competent material and substantial under Florida law. A guide to quai judicial hearings has been published on the city's website and copies are available on the table in the
chambers at the rear of the chambers. Okay. So, if you are planning uh if you are a party to the item and planning to speak, if you would please rise and that is both for this item and for y'all's item. Okay. And if we can go around and say
names. Okay, if you could raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give in the matters now at hearing will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So, I'll help you. >> Okay. Thank you. All right. And this is quite judicial. Does anybody on the
commission have anything to declare? >> Yes, Mr. Mayor. I made a site visit on Thursday the 23rd. I It was in the morning. I did not write down the time. >> Okay. I previously discussed this project with Apple again when I uh toured uh the other property they just
finished. Is it North View? >> North Haven. >> North Haven >> with two Hes >> with two H's. >> Yes. I also spoke with them um when I was touring in North Haven. >> Okay. So
uh yeah. So regarding this project, uh part of the discussion at the last meeting was to have a meeting with the applicant regarding the feasibility of connecting the access way to the narcissist avenue. We planning staff and public works staff did meet with the
applicant to discuss that feasibility. And after the research and what we went through in that meeting, we determined public works and planning that it was not a feasible option to connect due to a gas line that's running through that property or to the north of that
property across along Narcissus. Uh that really makes it really an impossibility for them to connect without creating further issues for that pipeline. And so we have uh chosen to recommend that that condition be stricken from the approval. >> And that's condition 20.
>> Yes. >> Okay. Anything else? >> And we have no other com. >> Okay. Any questions for staff? Um I wanted to talk about our process for this particular project
and then in general we've talked about wetlands uh a lot on this one and I know that we can mitigate wetland impacts and when we do so we do that through an approved mitigation bank.
So I think my question is at some point are we looking at running out of places to do these mitigations? >> As far as I know for the mitigations, it's all done through the FP and St. John's Water Magic District. They're the
ones who actually handle the actual relocation or reallocation of those wetlands to other areas, other watersheds and other wetland areas that they can that they certify as accountable areas. Uh as far as like
running out, uh I really don't have an answer for you. I'd have to >> we'd have to check with them. >> Have to check with them to see where they're at with our community. It's definitely something that I would like to know more myself. Maybe that could you could get a bonus point for that. If you can find some answers on that,
>> I'll I'll do what I can >> because, you know, we just keep saying, "All right, we'll do the mitigation bank. Go ahead and do what you're going to do." We can't keep doing that forever. And I want to know when that forever ends. You know what I mean? >> I can speak to it a little bit. >> Okay.
>> Probably their engineer can speak to it more >> before you leave us. >> But um so there's the mitigation bank depends on which basin you're in. So if you're in St. John's or if you're in Lake Monroe, you've got to mitigate to a
a bank that's in Lake Monroe. >> If we're in Lake Jessup, you have to mitigate to a basin, Lake Jessup. My understanding is there is no existing um mitigation available for the Lake Jessup basin, but there is for Lake Monroe. And
some of that extends well into other counties. And so we had a project a couple of years ago where um the mitigation was being done I think in Valuchia County or maybe further away and there was concern about that but
it's based on >> on the the state rules of where that is and whether we run out or not really just depends on >> who can who buys additional wetlands that can be used for mitigation banks and then sets them up that way. And I
know it's not an immediate answer, but that's valid information because you've said Lake Jessup, they've already hit a limit. >> There is an idea for for something for Lake Jessup. >> Well, if if I can provide some additional clarification, there's been recent legislation that actually allows
St. John's wire magic district to defer those to other basins as well. It doesn't even have to stay within the same bas. >> Okay. And that's new. >> Okay. Okay. But this I mean the answer is for me but it's also for all of our constituents as well so that they understand that we do not want to lose
our wetlands either and we're not going to always say yes let's mitigate this without that definitive yes there's a place to do so >> right and currently in our comprehensive plan uh we actually require development to be based only solely on the upland areas so anything that's considered
wetland we don't even allow them to use that area as increasing density or intensity for their project. >> So, anything time they're doing those medications, it's out or mitigations that's outside of our development practice. >> Okay. Thanks. >> Since we're you brought the topic up, I
used to be very against this whole mitigation thing because basically you're saying you can destroy these wetlands if you don't destroy these wetlands over here that you weren't ever going to destroy anyway. >> Right. >> And what I've been convinced of is that the mitigation banks, it's not just the land is sitting there. they're doing
improvements to make them better. >> Okay. >> And so the tradeoff actually is is valuable. >> It's a valuable trade-off. I hope it stays that way and I appreciate that information and I think so does everybody else who's watching or listening >> and I know that our gentlemen here have
done everything they can to improve or or take care of the wetlands that as they're exposed to them in these projects. Okay. >> Any other questions for staff? >> None of staff. >> Okay. Is the applicant wishes or is that >> good evening mayor and commissioners? Uh
Eric Rash with Inspire Placemaking here on behalf of Royal Palm Company and uh we um were here just two weeks ago. We got some really good feedback. Um I think it was it was pretty clear there were some outstanding questions particularly as it pertained to wetlands
and some of the other matters. Uh so we do have our full team here available, subject matter experts, uh to talk through any of those um types of issues. I have a brief PowerPoint, just one slide per issue kind of summarizing the things I thought we heard last time. I wanted to make sure I came back prepared
and and kind of walked you through that. So, um, there was a question on public outreach, there was one on wetlands, um, the traffic generation rate, landscape by plings, and then access to narcissus, which I think staff did a really good job of covering uh, our previous meeting
uh, with them. Um, so we did reach out to the property owners that are immediately adjacent or opposite the ditch. Um, there was multiple notices sent. Um, spoke to all four of those property owners throughout this process. We had one attendee at the CAP meeting
uh which was the gentleman to the north. Um and we had one attendee at the uh PNZ meeting which was the gentleman to the southwest. Uh but we've spoken with all of them. We had no speakers if you recall at our last meeting. Just want to make sure you you know um know that we
took that really seriously in talking to those uh residents adjacent. Um, terms of the wetlands, uh, I think we we covered this just a little bit in some of the discussion with staff here. Uh, there's two wetlands identified. Wetland two is the smaller one on the eastern
side. That one we believe was a result of previous construction activity. Uh, but wetland one's the the twoacre wetland that's on the west. It's isolated. You've got development immediately adjacent to both the west and the north, and you've got State Road
46 to the south. So, um, we do have the biologists here if there are any additional questions on the wet winds. Uh, there was a question on the traffic growth rate, um, that was used in the traffic study. It was, uh, calculated by evaluating a 5-year growth trend on
State Road 46 using average daily traffic data provided by the county. Uh, so that's where that 2% annual growth rate came from. And we do have our traffic engineer here as well. Uh we had a lot of discussion about landscaping uh particularly the request
to do one tree per landscape island. I'll note that was just for the single landscape islands which is code. So the double landscape islands is what you see on the screen. Uh those are all proposed to have two trees. Uh so we would just suggest changing the language in the
deviation to require us to do the two trees per double landscape island consistent with code and consistent with what we're proposing. Um, and this is just a a quick table showing some of the landscaping uh that we installed at North Haven. Um, we showed code minimum
landscaping through the original portion of the project, which is generally, you know, what we're doing now. Uh, and then when we actually got into uh permitting and engineering, you'll see we installed 2.15 times the code minimum. So, that was an extra almost $300,000 worth of
landscaping that went in on that project, which is why it looks so good. So, uh, we plan on doing a similar, uh, planning pattern, uh, for this. And we talked about, uh, condition number 20. Um, I, we agree with staff's recommendation to strike it. We did have
that meeting and we, uh, identified these general issues with the connectivity to narcissist. Um, and we'll welcome any questions at this time. So, thank you. >> I am very impressed you did your homework. >> Thank you.
You answered all of my questions. I appreciate that. >> Any questions for the applicant? >> No. >> Well, you had an expert show up 3 hours early for the meeting. I would hate for her to go uh without having a chance to
speak tonight. >> That's what she said. But I I I did not want her to come back for nothing. You sure you don't want to say a few words? >> Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. Um, we're okay with the the
landscaping and the on the islands, Oregon islands. >> Yes, I think it meets the intent which we were trying to get to. >> Okay. Can you just confirm for me which uh condition with regard to the tree so I can accurately reflect where that change
is to be made? >> I know you said 14. I wanted to make sure. >> Looks like it's number 14. >> It's 14. Okay. Thank you. >> Am I looking at the right list? Because my 14 is parking in front of parking
spaces >> that are stacked in front of garage buildings. I'm not sure it's a condition. It's the one of the deviations in it. >> What's the 14 for the deviation? >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay.
Is there anything with regard to the conditions that speak to the trees so that I can accurately reflect that with regard to conditions or is it only mentioned in the deviations? >> It's only mentioned I believe in the deviation. Okay. It's just an deviation. It's not in the
condition. >> So with regard to conditions, the only changes should a motion be made will be the striking of condition 20. >> Correct. >> Okay. Just wanted to confirm. Thank you. >> Okay. All right. This is a public hearing. Anyone else from the audience
wish to speak to this item? Seeing no one, I'll close the public hearing. Brand the commission for action. >> Move to approve striking condition 20 >> and changing deviation 14.
>> Changing deviation 14. >> We have a motion. Do we have a second? >> I will second. >> Okay. Thank you. Motion, a second. Any further discussion? >> Yes. I just like to put it on the record like I did the last time. I'm really concerned about the future development
of Sanford, the overdevelopment, um the wiping out of the trees, the increasing of traffic, 360 units. Um I have been able to deny um development in the past due to compatibility, conditions, deviations. Legally, I can't do anything
about this. I have nothing against development or the project that is coming. I'm just really concerned about the future of Stanford. >> Agreed. >> Any further discussion? All in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Past. Thank you. That
brings us second reading of ordinance 4863. An ordinance of the city of Sanford, Florida to amend the North Park Plan development, a real property site totaling 1.37 acres in size, which is generally addressed as 3848 Enterprise
Way within the city limits to establish indoor vehicular dealer sales as a permitted use. providing for the taking of implementing administrative actions, providing for the adoption of a map by reference, repealing all conflicting
ordinances, providing for severability, providing for non-codification, and providing for an effective date. >> Mr. Mayor, members of the city commission, the city's planning and zoning commission voted to recommend that the city commission adopt ordinance number 4863.
Uh this is quadishial if anyone has anything to declare. >> None. >> Okay. All right. Staff planning staff does not have any further presentations or information regarding >> Okay. Does the applicant have any further presentation or
>> Thank you Mr. Mayor of Commissioners of Sid Valene DL Fox Properties 3865 Enterprise Way. We've made our presentation.
This is a leased uh property. The building exists. You saw in our full presentation that exotic cars
priced at 80,000 and above will be indoor display only. We have no opposition and we have the owner Corey Gallinger
for any questions. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Valain. >> Anyone have any questions for the applicant? >> No new questions. >> This is a public hearing. Anyone from the audience wish to speak to this item? >> Seeing no one public hearing bring question for action to approve.
>> Motion a second. Any further discussion? All in favor? >> I. Any opposed? Pass unanimously. That brings us citizens participation. I have request from Matthew Morland. Good evening, mayor, city manager,
attorney Greens, city clerks, and commissioners. My name is Matthew Morland, and I reside at 11:30 Windsor Lake Circle. I have lived in Seminal County for 40 years in Sanford specifically for 23 of those years. I'd like to address the potential ramifications of the amendment currently
on the ballot for November for the state concerning property tax reduction. While this may save us homeowners some money every year, many of us are worried about what happens after that. We obviously want the city and county governments to be able to continue to provide the services that our communities currently
enjoy, those that keep our property values in Sanford as high as possible. The fear-mongers want us to believe that the police and fire services will suffer if the amendment passes. From my understanding of the amendment, these services cannot be affected by the revenue cuts. The uncertainty of where
the additional funds will come from for everything else the city needs uh needs money for is on the forefront of many citizens minds. After contacting my current district commissioners for the city and county, as well as a one-on-one conversation with my state representative about this issue, I have
concerns. My state representative is encouraging saving money by cutting wasteful spending in order to lessen the amount of funds needed to offset the revenue lost from the property tax cuts. After briefly looking over the city budget, there really isn't a lot of custody made in my opinion here.
Although items like lending out money that may take 30 years to recover isn't the best way to keep our city funded and keeping reserves at a proper level in my opinion. This leaves us in a position where the central residents are seemingly going to have to fund the rest of the shortfall through other fees and
taxes. All that I would ask is that if the amendment passes, I would the state amendment passes. I would like that all residents of the entire city to have to fund the shortfall. If possible, the homesteaded homeowners should possibly have to pay less of that money than those that have numerous rentals and
monetize by owning multiple properties in our community. The whole point of the amendment for the state up for vote in November is to help home owner affordability. If that results in higher rental fees, so be it. Those multiple resident owners are already passing along that their tax
bill to their renters anyway. In addition to homeowners, I believe part of the additional revenue should come from business owners as well. I believe this should all be based on a dollar per square foot basis to make it fair for all to live, own, and have businesses in our city. Businesses generally have a
larger footprint to account for and that should be accounted for when figuring out what percentage they should pay versus homeowners. But that's for someone more involved in the process to figure out. I ask that not only homeowners be the ones make up the shortfalls and honor what the state legislators are trying to do to make
home ownership more affordable. My next comments will be in regard to what Commissioner Britain stated at the last meeting and now again at this one regarding the seemingly unlimited growth lately. We all see boundless apartment complexes, industrial buildings completed in record numbers. This all
has an impact on our traffic, school enrollment, city utilities. These city utilities haven't been able to keep up with the population we've already had without breaking down and taking months and months to remedy. What is the breaking point that we can't recover from? When was the last time a new water
treatment plant was built? I don't have an answer to that. As for the county, when was a new high school that these kids will ultimately funnel into? I've been here for 40 years and there's only been one that I'm aware of. Maybe we need to be a little bit be a little bit more selective on how much growth we allow. Thank you for the time
this evening. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. I would like to clarify that there's there's nothing in the amendment that prevents cuts to public safety. It says you have to spend property taxes on those items, but if the money is not there, it's not there. I did not read a
clarification on that part. My understanding of it is those those services could not be affected >> there. If there if the money's not there, they will be affected. >> That that's something that was previously discussed, but that is not actually >> in the in the current form of the amendment. >> That is that has been said, but that is
not actually in the >> Yeah, a lot of things changed from the initial proposal versus what is uh being put on the ballot >> and the verbiage will probably change again. And one other thing, mayor, can you speak on concurrency and how the schools are how these projects are determined for schools?
>> There I don't think there's school concurrency anymore, is there? They get a letter from Well, yes, there is. So, they get a letter from the school system saying how many spaces are available in the schools. And as a teacher, I can tell you what they call capacity is not
what we call capacity. By state law, >> by state law, the entire county is considered for school capacity. So if there's school openings at Oido High School, the Simol High School is full, a project can't be stopped because there's
openings at a high school in this county. >> And is there a conversation between the city and the county before a project moves forward to know what the limits are and what students >> Yeah, they have to get they have to get a letter from the county that comes from the school board, right? Yeah. From the school board. >> Yeah. I'm not familiar with all that.
So, I appreciate your insight. >> All right. Thank you. >> We appreciate your comments. >> I try I try to help you learn. >> We've conversed outside of here. >> No. >> Uh Chantel Johnson. >> Hello. Thank you for tonight. I am one
of the property owners on Pine Avenue. My husband would be here with me, but is handling bedtime right now with our six-year-old almost seven. Uh we became firsttime homeowners here in Sanford in downtown Sanford in April of 2020 at the height of COVID. So we saw a lot of
change from that day until now. So much has boomed through the the city and we're grateful for it. We love living here. I am here to request that the city consider a partial vacation of an inactive alleyway that runs east to west in between Third and Fourth Avenue and
intersects Cypress and Pine. Um, this is the historic Georgetown district where we live. >> Our southside neighbor grew up on our lot. He actually also built our house. And in his 70 years of life, he has confirmed that that alleyway has never
been paved, passable, or used for civic purpose. When I found that out, I went ahead and confirmed that there are no storm water issues in that alleyway. That was confirmed with Michael Cash. I confirmed with I hope I'm saying her name right, Michelle Bracia, that there
are no utilities issues within that alleyway. and thankful for the recommendation of Adam in planning who said that with proof of care it is possible to partially vacate alleyways. I know this is not often done as Chris Smith the planning project manager did
deny our request for a partial vacation. I can't access a full vacation request because there are six properties along this alleyway. four to the north and two to the south and not all of my neighbors are interested in taking on that space.
So, I do understand that, but I'm here tonight to ask if this can be reconsidered for that partial space because my neighbor to the north is fully on board with wanting to to take over this space. Um, our main reasons are not only appearance, um, to open up
a space in between our homes would be really awkward, but mostly safety as our block um, has a bit of a nuisance corner. If you're familiar with Cypress and Third, there are often raids over there. We have migrants that we find
sleeping behind our fence in our yard um, regularly. This was last week, actually, um, that this happened. And so safety for my home and my six-year-old and my Chihuahua are paramount. And um having that large gap between our
properties um seems like it could be an area that invites trespassing and also illegal dumping which is also something that our block deals with and we've had a sign put up and it's still happening. So there's just like I mentioned some nuisances that are taking place in our
block. My husband and I are very, very passionate about keeping our home, our neighbors, and our block safe, and we would like to respectfully ask for a partial vacation to be considered. Great. I didn't think that was a staff level decision.
So somehow, I mean, because when we vacated things before, it always came to us. >> It does, but right now at this point, the applicant is I mean, Chris was not willing to move it forward because it was a partial and not able to
get the support from the other neighbors on there and so the his application just wasn't wasn't moved forward. >> Application was what? >> Just wasn't moved forward. >> Oh, okay. >> Okay. Mr. Mayor, um Mr. Borando is the
director of development services. You mentioned a lot of names, so obviously you've done a lot of research. If you get with Mr. Roando and we can see what we can do in the next steps. I would love that. Thank you so much. >> Okay. Thank you. He's the one that has his hand up. Wait before wait before you go away.
>> Yes. Sorry. >> Okay. So, it's it crosses from Pine to Cypress or from third to fourth. >> It crosses from Pine to Cypress in between parallel to third and fourth. >> Okay. Yes, sir.
>> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. I appreciate your time. >> Thank you. And then I have a couple of comments that came via email unless they are here. Kathy Pipton. Kathy Pipton here. And I'll read hers. Code enforcement is
out of control. The leadership is directing these employees. Is turning the city of Sanford into a police state? How can Tony have these people 24 hours a day walking around looking for problems? One street last week had 18 of the 23 homes receive code violations.
Stop letting Tony Roando punish the residents of Sford. You can tell he is not a Sford resident. Does not have our best interest at hand. Um, and Jim Hudson, is he here? I understand the city of Sanford is concerned about property taxes going
away, but to have code enforcement out punishing citizens by using code enforcement to attack residents is out of control. In one week, the residents of Rolph Street and Pine Street have had code enforcement walk up and down the street and violate 90% of the residents
on the street. We know that there is an ex cop running the department, but this is not a police state. Please tell the city manager to get him under control. Tony Roondo is not a Sanford resident. he is from Valuchia County and then gets power over the citizens of Sanford is allowed to punish us by imposing
thousand fines a day when he retaliate against us because he wants to be proactive with enforcement. The one comment I would make about that is that Mr. Roando does not impose the fines. That has to go through the process and go through the magistrate.
>> And there's a lot of time that hits before the start. Yeah. Um, I talked to him. I talked to him briefly. I'm going to see, you know, did we really do that many on one street? Um, okay. Anyone else from the audience wish
to speak? Yes, sir. >> Can I ask a brief question before I start? Um if I'm addressing um can I speak behalf uh of a company my company first since it is a registered company in Sanford and then I have a small
comment for me as a resident or do I got to combine them both in the five >> if you're want to handle this? >> You can talk twice if you would like. >> I appreciate it. I'll keep it brief. Thank you mayor. Uh I wanted to uh first
Chan Robinson um CEO president of Sanford Pages Corporation. Um I wanted to talk about a project that uh next week there will be several hundreds pages of documents sent for um this specific project. And uh for the
record, I after leaving the army, I um attended Fullale for a bachelor's in film. And I've been working on a film project with a large staff for several years. Um it's a idea that came into my mind, I think back in high school when I was reading The Land, remembered if
you've ever read that one. And it uh put in the backdrop in my head um Florida as a wild west, you know, which was always one of my favorite parts of history. And uh in this specific point, I feel like it doesn't Florida doesn't get enough love. Uh specifically, it's uh regarding
the pre-rohibition period. If you didn't know, uh Florida, South Florida, Miami date back in the early 1900s, like 1912, 1914, they started their prohibition of alcohol six years prior to national
prohibition. And uh Florida as a whole, one year prior in 1919, they um they enacted prohibition statewide. And uh I've been working on this a script for a project taking place between those years that we just got green lit for initial
funding. And this project's going to be broken into two pieces. Uh one is going to be a set of documentaries that cover the time and the other set will be for the actual film series itself. Um, and uh, I think this is special. It's
special to me because uh, I love Sanford. I grew up here. I grew up in Goldboro. And I think at this particular time, the 1915, the 1920, you get um, such important years for the city of Sanford. You get Mayor Forest Lake who's arguably one of the most infamous guys
because he really, you can look at it and um, he did a lot of great things for the city, but he also ended in turmoil. And at the same time, you get uh Goldsboro at its prime when it was its own city. And the just the idea of being able to tell that
story in the neighborhood that I grew up in and figuring out with uh the big staff and um just great people and the experts in the film industry from Fullale to be able to capture an essence of of Goldsboro in its prime when it had its own laundry mat and it had its own
um unique culture. I don't got to explain. we all know what the 1920s was like. And I think if I can do both of those, um, that would just mean a lot. And I think with the with the staff and some of the amazing people from Full Cell that I've
had the luxury of going, I wouldn't have been able to afford it without the GI Bill. So, we're going to be sending um several several hundred pages of documents through the appropriate avenues of um film permits and uh requesting in proper
manners. But I just wanted to take my due diligence to at least put a small uh face to the name before I send those documents in case you guys have questions. I think we're going to encroach a lot of areas that are just not usual and some of our um ways of
going about it. some of the documentaries, some of the buildings and whatnot. So, I know we don't always have the best history and I just wanted to um address that before because there's a lot of uh people. Right now, our current budget is
estimated right about 200,000 at the lowest and with some of the grants that I think we will be very competitive at uh because of how we're doing it and how we're incorporating a set of documentaries and really to telling um
some of the stuff like Goldsboro, Prohibition, Forest Lake himself, Rollins College, and uh a few South Florida um my alma moater Florida International University who's uh have already secured funding for for
part of that story cuz if you didn't know they were called rum runners and they would um they would make runs uh to the South Caribbean >> and uh avoiding Coast Guards which were very new at the time and
yeah so with so many people already involved in us working on this for over two years I just wanted to um at least in case you didn't want to read 300 pages which I don't blame anybody for reading that uh you knew about that story.
>> Thank you. >> And uh in regards to my personal comments, um Chan Robinson, 105 Sandp Point Court, Sanford, Florida 32773. Uh I'll keep this short and I already know this bill. Um I've been here twice in the past couple months.
uh regarding a check issue that I was told about for my uh qualification for mayor of Sanford. And I don't know how well all of you are aware of this, but after 40 days and me coming here twice
to argue the fact that um not only did I present a valid check that I ran this I ran the legitimacy of my check across with the deputy city clerk asking questions,
email threads, hundreds of them between uh members of the commission and your legal staff. It was all about a check. And then two days prior to the court case, a Zoom a very unofficial Zoom court case, um your
city attorney along with the supervisor of elections in court last minute, which I don't even know how it got approved, accused me of not turning in paperwork correctly, specifically the candidate oath, which is something
that every elected official turned in. Now, I want it to for the record, I want it to be known that if you go to the city of Sanford website right now and you were to click on that form like anybody could reasonably be assumed to do if you're going to run for office, cuz all of us, Claudia, when you ran,
you you went to the city website, you clicked on that same form. The issue at hand is that when I printed out the form, it's the wrong date. You all have the wrong form. multiple of
them, four in specific of the various forms, the candidate oath, the um the statement of candidate, several of them are outdated. I guess in the in recent years, there's been a change and specifically uh the candidate oath used to be one
page. And on that page, you fill out the form and uh the the bottom portion is a phonetical spelling of your name. It's for It's made for um blind candidates that use audio ballots. It's where you write your
name. You know, art you would write, I don't know, art exaggerated so that they could hear it. Um I guess the updated version that's due now is a two-page form where just that one part is on the back of it.
I printed out your forms directly from your website, which is still available at this very moment. came in hours after printing them after getting them notorized by Fairwinds, which I now obtained a copy because your
attorney pressured me uh in court to say saying that um I couldn't provide that and the judge totally ran with it and I was my whole case is dismissed because I I was accused of failing to provide the proper
forms. And what happened was I showed up here with every single form after asking the deputy city clerk specifically about my check and why I submitted two campaign deposit forms.
I ran this. We talked about that for 5 minutes along with talking about her mixed family members who have hair like mine after I apologized for my hair being um a little bit messy, telling her I was going to get a haircut. And we had small talk like a normal person, regular
people, a guy trying to run for office and you let your city attorney run wild and accuse me of not turning in paperwork. when when I showed up with the proper paperwork, she had to go to the printer to print
new forms. And all of the forms that I came in with pre- notorized, pre-filled out, ready to do something that I did twice before, turn in five forms to run for mayor as a veteran, as a resident. I get denied. I
get told that my check wasn't good after I ran it by you. So I guess before I run out of time, my official request and point of this is is to prepare to defend myself. Furthermore exercising a regular right, I would like
to know if there is video surveillance of the day I showed up. So, I guess I can defend myself that I came in with a with prefilled pre- notorized forms and that because of errors on your end because the deputy clerk and the city
clerk doesn't provide full legitimate paperwork for running for office, which is a shame that um I have to defend myself that I actually brought in paperwork because that's what your city attorney went to court and said on the Sir.
>> All right. Thank you. >> No comments. >> No. >> Mr. Robinson, I will add that if you want to do a public records request, you're always free to do one. So, please feel free if you want to submit. >> Oh, I do. And I've done several. And this is one of the things that I
requested beforehand 40 days before you came up with a new excuse about me missing paperwork. And it wasn't >> I wasn't doing that to have a a conversation. >> It wasn't sent to me. Well, I'm sorry. Tell me to go. >> I was just making sure you were aware of that process. >> I'm aware, but I feel like I feel
obligated to come here and say it to where at least it's recorded or somebody can hear me because there's nobody fighting for what's right. All of you guys ran by filling in the same paperwork. I showed up here on time, submitted paperwork, talked over the
issues of the of the paperwork with your deputy clerk, and I got nothing. And now I'm being accused of not showing up with paperwork. So, I would like the world to know that I'm requesting camera footage, which I'm not confident I'm going to get. >> I don't believe we have any camera footage. We don't have
>> Sounds about right. >> We don't have video surveillance in the >> attorney. Is is the litigation? Is everything completed >> for this case? >> The litigation is concluded. Uh the orders speak for themselves as to what was the basis for the dismissal and the
dismissal of uh the petition, the emergency motion, everything. Um as to any camera footage, uh I will work with the clerk and see if that exists and if it does, we will fulfill it. And so I just wanted to make sure anything that sounds like a public records request, I
just always like to address it. The reason why I was asking is because we usually don't comment on things when it's in the middle of litigation, right? Okay. So, now that it is over, um, as an elected official who is voted in by the people, I would like to apologize to Mr.
Robinson. I am not uh either confirming, denying or saying anything uh in support or I just I I know that you are frustrated with whatever situation that it is and you felt that you were ignored
by the city commission and I do not want any of my constituents to feel that way. I am not saying you are right. I am not saying you are wrong. Uh being that I work for you because you are a resident of the city of Sanford, I apologize for any inconvenience that you may feel
allegedly. And just to know that your commissioners, your representatives, well, I'll just speak for myself was not ignoring you. There are just legal ramifications that we have and so that we do not respond. And that that's all I'm going to say about that. I think you
deserve that. Is there anyone else in the audience wish to speak to the commission? Okay. Then we go on to other items. Um budget transfer for Thompson. Well, >> yes, Mr. Mayor, members of city commission, city staff is requesting your approval of a budget transfer and
association of an award for construction contract to hidden lakes fidian Aqua Well 10 replacement construction and testing program in the amount of $441,080. questions or a motion. >> Move to approve.
>> Second. >> A motion and a second. Any discussion? >> Is this is there anybody here to talk about this? >> Bren. >> Is this is this the facility on Hidden Lakes? >> Okay. Is is it going to be uh is it is
it >> it's a small project not not going to interfere with the neighbors? >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. All in favor? >> I any opposed? Pass the procurement to
all terrain. >> Yes. Mr. The mayor, members of the commissioner, city staff is requesting your approval for procurement to all of all terrain for repaving work at the north water reclaim facility in the amount of $224,68028. >> Questions or a motion?
>> A lot of money. Move to approve. >> Second motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Passley. to resolution 3496. >> Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of city commission, city staff is requesting your approval of resolution 3496
amending the city budget in the amount of $94,622 and the approval for two security lights at the Fort Mill Park adjacent to the new amphitheater. >> Questions or motion? >> Two question. >> But Commissioner Britain, you spoke
first. >> No, go ahead. Um maybe Jerry And >> probably a quick question. Was there I'm looking at the Minnesota. Was there a bidding process? How the source well thing?
>> This was a source well. This is a Musco um piggyback contract. >> Okay. And these are lights that will be on both sides of the green space at Fort Melon >> because it's just $94,000
for >> I mean these are like stadium type. >> Okay. But >> sports field. >> We do our due diligence with trying to get the best possible price to do this. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay.
They typically have to go off the list, right, for the state or not? >> Well, we can do we can either bid it out or we can uh >> piggyback >> piggyback one of the contracts that a local government has. >> Okay. >> And Musco is one of the biggest names in >> Yeah. >> in sports lighting and that's what these
will be. >> I don't know of anybody else. >> Well, I I didn't know if there Ethereum was, but presumably they already did that kind of bidding process and that's why you're picking backing on, >> right? somebody else did the bidding process. >> We're making we're making sure there's not light pollution outside of that area
though is my concern. >> And that's one of the things about the lights that the these LED style lights is they are directed onto the field >> and you can control them remotely, right? So you could turn them off, dim them, whatever you need to. >> Yes, ma'am. I'm not sure if they have
all the LED colors and things like that that you see at a lot of stadiums. >> It's extra money. Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yes, ma'am. Commissioner Bman, do you have something? >> No, I'm just overreacting like always. Okay. >> All right. So,
do we have a motion? >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> Motion and second. Any further discussion? >> All in favor? >> I. Any oppose? Pass unanimously. Resolution 3497. >> Yes, Mr. Mayor. Members, the commissioner, city staff is requesting your approval of resolution 3497
amending the city budget for brick engraving and sealing at Veterans Memorial Park. Questions or motion? >> Move to approve. Second. >> Motion and second. Any further discussion? All in favor? >> I. >> I. Any oppose? Pass unanly. Resolution 3498. >> Yes. Mr. Mayor, members of city
commission, the city staff is recommending the commission approve the city commissioner of acceptance and implementation of a highintensity drug trafficking area fiscal year 2026 grant. So this is resolution 3498.
>> Questions or motion? Move to approve. Second motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor? I. Any oppose? Passion Nley. Um, are we doing board appointments now or under the city clerk's report?
>> Doesn't matter. >> Okay, let's go ahead and talk about board appointments. Um, we got some applications. Um, the clerk gave us last year's applications. and new ones that came in this year. If you didn't hear, Max
Stevens has withdrawn his um I think I saw Mike Scat walk into the building. Mike Scat is here. >> Um who actually requested PNZ and or HPV. Um,
and this to me is a sort of an odd position to be in where we're not we don't have time to do interviews and so I'm looking at people that I already know or remember interviewing. >> Yeah, me too.
>> I would in talking about P&Z first, I would recommend Mike Scat. >> Me too. who has experience on PNZ from not too long ago. Um, and and just to be be clear, this
will be an appointment until the end of the existing term. Do we know what that is? >> That'll be August 30th and then new terms will start and he'll have a full three term. >> Okay. So the person we're replacing,
>> right? >> Okay. So, and so and really this is to you also, Mike, if you decide um I'd rather HPB, we have an opportunity in September to to change things. Um but my
I would recommend Mike to start with. Um >> what I only have one question. Was he able to fulfill his terms previously? Because this board has been erratic for a while >> and we need someone that's committed to
to to being on this board. It needs some stability. Mike, >> two terms. >> Okay. >> HPV two HPV. Two terms planning. >> One of those three simultaneously HPV and PNZ at the same time.
>> Oh wow. I had two two consecutive terms on P&Z. The second one as >> So last time you were on two boards at the same time. >> Yeah. >> So can we get three this time? >> I think I checked. >> I I don't think it's allowed anymore.
>> I I did the whole term got a city proclamation for my job as chairman >> and I I was before him several times on some some issues. >> I hope he voted no. He was unless something has happened over the last couple of years, he'll do a great
job. >> So, in your current life, you can commit to this. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. Thank you. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And I already checked with him. Make sure he's available August. >> Yeah. Right. >> I can't wait to see what that is. >> Okay. And so, um,
>> move to approve. >> Second. >> Okay. All in favor? >> I. Any opposed? Okay. And we need at least one. She would like to um if we want to make a second one
tonight. >> Okay. >> All right. So, make a motion. >> Move to >> move to approve Kimberly Walker with Commissioner Bren second. >> Okay. And wait, just to clarify, clerk.
Okay. So Mike would be replacing the one that resigned. >> Yes. >> Right. >> And what's our other vacancy? Were there two resignations? >> I thought there was. There's two. >> Okay. There two. Okay. So it's okay. I was getting confused with the
>> because they didn't have a forum last month. >> Okay. All right. All right. So we have a motion, a second on Kimberly Walker. All in favor? >> Any opposed? Pass unanimously. Okay. And
then um do we want to do HPB tonight? >> Okay. Um >> I'd recommend Craig Johnson. Wait, I got to make sure that is the last name. >> Yeah, I think that's the Yeah, that's right. >> Dr. Craig.
>> Yeah, we interviewed him last time. >> Doctor, >> is anyone else here that wants to be considered? Just checking. >> Craig was um in the citizens academy. He graduated with me in 2012 2015.
>> Oh, well then I'm against >> Shut up. >> He also lives in the historic district and active member of his community. >> He's a trouble. >> I agree with that. >> John Stalkum.
John Stockm Julie recommended >> John Stockm was the other one that we interviewed interviewed that one >> but John I believe lives in Lake Mary low
lane it's not Lake Mary >> what is it Lo Lane >> 312 Lo Lane lane oh no wrong person >> sorry >> too many pages >> there she goes All right. Is that it? >> Well,
>> John is Lake Mary. >> Okay. All right. So, do we have a motion? >> Move to approve Craig Johnson to his preservation board. >> Second. >> Okay. Any further discussion? All in favor? >> I. Any opposed? >> Pass unanimously. All right. Thank you.
Um and then we'll start the regular process. Yeah, I'm going through those now to each board and see who is termed out >> and we'll bring that forward >> for September appointments >> and we're checking attendance
>> and we're well not just that but we're reviewing what we do when they don't >> what that process is. Right. >> Correct. I I met with uh Tracy last week and Shannon were going over procedures. A attendance, B determining who's
terming terming out, and C coming up with procedures as to how we deal with attendance moving forward. >> Okay, good. All right, so that brings us to your report. >> Thank you. I just wanted to piggyback on Miss Osborne's uh comments with regard to the personal responsibility and work
opportunity act and make sure that everyone on the deis understands what that is. That act was enacted in 1996. It's not new language at all. However, under previous administrations, there were exemptions which allowed for federal. So, this is federal level
federal grants to be used for homelessness, things of that nature. Under the current reading, that definition is being uh limited substantially to the extent that um unless uh it's a qualified and it the
term is qualified alien cannot receive certain benefits. And it really creates a stronghold and ties the hands of municipalities to use federal grant monies for things that traditionally again under this same act of 1996 were
allowed. So we are going through and I'm working with CDBG as we're talking about our homelessness programs etc. because it is requiring verification as it relates to some of those funds that are that are being delved out. And that's what Miss Osborne was referring to.
Thank you. >> Other than that, I have nothing further. >> Not too dissimilar to what we're dealing with in trying to get information on the federal budget through the Central Commission on Homelessness because of the culture war verbiage that they're throwing in there now. That's just
making everything have to be read a second time for, in my opinion, no good reason when we're just trying to get funding for the homeless. And it's it's just bureaucr. >> All right. That all >> I have nothing for >> city clerk. That's how I feel about that. >> Um, the next work session at 4 pm will
be a joint meeting with the Sanford Airport Authority for their budget. >> Okay. >> Anything else? >> Nope. >> City manager's report. >> Nothing at this time, Mr. >> Okay. Commissioner Breton. >> Okay. Um, so this one we've been talking
about for a little bit. Um, but we haven't come to like a conclusion on what we're going to do with events. But this is my plea to the commission. Um it's about waving the fees for the hundred men and boys in suits in March.
I listened to the audio for from a gentleman um Sanford resident, Mr. Victor Tate at the CDBG advisory um public meeting at the Westside Community Center. And um I do not know him individually, but I have seen him
respect the city of Sanford and the elected officials. Um he has expressed that he submitted an application for this event. Um it's supposed to happen in September where um young um men and
boys will be dressed up in suits and they're going to walk down historic Goldboro Boulevard. Um it is not a large event but they are expecting at least they would like for a hundred men um to to to march down to show um support of
their community but also pride and integrity in themselves. >> The street closures the city cost is approximately six grand. I think that that is a lot and I like to ask the city to consider waving or either partially
waving the city costs. It's not simply an expense for the city. It's an investment. If we can encourage young men to make better decisions, avoid the criminal system and or become engaged in school or community. That is my favorite
word, a return on investment that the city cannot afford to overlook. Art see we we have f because you start doing that stuff. Why do you frown up when I'm talking? Okay. What I appreciate most
about the initiative is that it's you got to watch it cuz you you just it's killing me. Um what I appreciate about the initiative is it's centered around accountability. They're taking accountability for their actions, taking accountability for standing up for the
young men in their community. and they are not pointing the finger as we've seen other uh activists do to say that it's the city's fault or the the the lack thereof. They're saying that they want to be active members of the
community and they're stepping forward to mentor, lead, and create positive change. And that that that's a big thing to me giving Sanford's history in Goldsboro. I believe this is an opportunity that we can demonstrate that
we value that community and its descendants. We've apologized to them for snatching away their independence and more than just the blanket this time. We can help to fix and repair relationships with this. Although we
cannot change the history, we can choose to invest in our future together. And I think that this is a great way to help build momentum and to to to say that we support this thing. And when you start seeing young people and Mr. Tate is not
not young young, but when you see people who want to be involved in this, taking pride, they've got sponsorships of young men purchasing suits, getting things tailored, I think that is an excellent way to invest into the city. I know at our present climate we do not have money
to waste and we cannot afford to give up services but sometimes we have to think outside the box. I would love to fund it myself. Um I've allocated the majority of district 1 funds for the Sanford Museum and Botanical Gardens. If I had
the funding, I would try to do the city cost myself. But this is my plea to the city commission to help uh this organizer and the people who would be participating in this event. >> That would nicely go in conjunction with
what's happening with the uh the funding for the Georgetown project too or the Goldsboro project. What? We're doing uh restoration along 13 for Goldsboro. >> Just seems like the timing is good.
>> Well, I I got really two questions I think. One is this is just a walk of 100 people of 200. >> That's what they're saying. >> So, they're just going to start at one end of the street and walk to the other end of the street.
because I'm I I don't understand why it would be a $6,000 fee unless they want to block off all the streets and keep them blocked off. >> They are they're they want to close the streets so they can walk down Goldsboro Boulevard. So all of those side streets have to be blocked just like the MLK
parade. They wanted to go basically the same >> uh >> route >> route. But but for how long? Well, but there's a minimum when we have to call people in. So, my next question is, >> couldn't this be just treated as a first
amendment law? >> That's what I was going to ask. >> She's shaking his head. No. >> Oh, jeez. >> He's putting his safety hat on. >> Okay. I'm I'm going to comment while we uh >> That's what I was going to ask that we
just table it so that I can look into it. Um there are some legal issues when it comes to waving fees um that I just need to address. The second thing is I is this walk going to be in March? >> No, it's in September. >> Oh, it's in September. Okay. I was concerned about Senate Bill 1137
11:34 if it was after January. Um but let me just look into with regard to the legality of fees and just get with parks and recreation and see if there is some way that we can address this. >> I will get started on it first thing tomorrow. reason to do it now before January?
>> No. The the also that the the reason it's timesensitive is because they'll be coming before us to get approval to do that. And $6,000 is not a little bit of money. And especially if you've got one individual who's responsible for this and to try to come out of his pocket to
help the community, I think I I with respect, >> no, Attorney Green, I I totally get it. But is it that's a a long wait for two weeks when you've got to raise six grand and you've got to get that over to parks
and recreation and it's got to come before the commission and then once because I've already told them I I've seen the the stuff going out. You have to have that clearance from the commission first. So time is of the essence for when they're trying to do
it. and I will work on it first thing in the morning to see again if there is some alternative and if not have an opinion to you immediately. I I'm with September it's like yesterday. I completely agree >> now but it would still have to have be the consensus of the commission which we
don't convene for another two weeks. So >> well when is it going to be on the agenda for us to approve? >> I believe it would be on the next agenda. Okay. I I have not seen that come across yet, but uh we'll have to get that done by Wednesday. >> Is Miss Lindsay here?
>> No, I was looking. >> She's not. >> I'll put because I'll put some money in for my discretionary, but I don't know that it will get you there. >> And quite frankly, when acting on the application commissioner, that same issue can be addressed if it's coming back before the commission in that two
weeks, that same issue can be addressed. >> So, you're going to research? >> Yes. I would be interested in knowing if we can do a partial wave of fees >> if not a full wave and then uh there's at least two commissioners up here that
might partner up uh that that partial. >> Okay. I will get on it immediately. >> I'm speaking for her as she nods her heads. >> Okay. And I on principle I you know waving fees for an event is a very slippery slope that I don't want to
climb onto. If we can find a way to make this happen, I am more than happy to to try to do that. >> A good compromise to just say that we're going to wave fees for an event is going to bring every other event in here wanting to wave fees. >> Yeah. But I mean there's
>> we already have a lot of events begging for money, >> right? It's it's case by case. Mayor, commissioners, we had an opportunity to meet with the gentleman earlier this week, actually last week to discuss the March um walk and so we made
some recommendations to him. We've been working with parks and recreation to see how we can make some things work. So it may not be the $6,000. >> That's what we have. >> We we've been in conversations with them already. >> Thank you. Myself as part of those
conversations. Okay. Well, Commissioner Thomas and I are still available for partial funding >> and I will walk on one of those corners and make sure that it's controlled. >> Oh, thank you >> with your guitar. >> Anything else, Mr.
>> Um, I plan to contribute as as well once we find out what the the total cost is. But again, um I I'm I'm really looking forward to partnering with the um the museum and um the the Sanford Cultural
Guild. Um the botanical gardens is really important to me. Um I really want to talk about communication. I really want to talk about communication. Communication. Okay. It is so important. I was truly
disappointed in the change in work week. Now, let me put this disclaimer out here in the beginning. I understand the order and that the city manager runs the city of Sanford. I understand the order that
the city manager runs the city of Sanford and the day-to-day operations, but the way that the work week was handled, not because your executive decision, sir, but because of the way that it was executed.
Again, I've said this since my first year on the commission. finding out things after the public knows, after the city employees know bothers me. It continues to bother me and it is
disrespectful to the title that I have as an elected official because I work for the people of Sanford and when I find out something after the fact, it bothers me. I work really hard at this
job. We had a work session prior. We had a um regular meeting prior. There was nothing wrong with you making the executive decision. But communication is so important because yes, city manager,
you run the city of Sanford, but you work at the will of this commission. And I am exhausted with having this same conversation with our city manager. I don't understand why it went into effect
August 1st. I think that that was disrespectful to our employees. You have many who have standing Friday appointments, who have daycare and other obligations, and for that to be done August 1st
was unfair. Yes, I believe that it was important to do because we've been saying it for a while that these things changed a while ago because of budgets and whatever happened after 2010. But for it to come
back and for you to do it just like that and there was no communication, a email or a text message is not good enough. I have a full-time job. We are part-time elected officials. My phone is
on me at all times, but I do not have access to my email. So, there are times when you make decisions, if you don't see a response from me, pick up the phone and say, "Commissioner Britain, I would like you to know about this." You don't have to, but out of respect, I
think that it is very important. I am disappointed in the communication of the 5-day work week. Know that you have plenty of authority to do so. You don't have to send me what ordinance that comes out of the city charter. None of that because I'm over that too. But I am
an elected official. Let me say that again. The honorable Sheena Britain and I would like a little bit more respect and the communication to be held better. That concludes the district one report. Commissioner Britain, the commissioner were the first ones to be notified by
the city manager. >> We How? You told us that you had made the decision at the executive team meeting. So we weren't the first. >> Well, the decision was made at the executive management team. >> Okay. So then we weren't the first. >> Once the decision was made, that's where the decision was made. So once that
decision was made by the executive management team, it was sent to the city. >> Courtes courtesy would have been Commissioner Britain, Commissioner Thomas, Commissioner Austin Wiggins, and the mayor probably already knows because he knows everything before us. Would have been I'm going to make this
decision so that I don't know after the fact. I'm always, sir, I'm always finding out after the fact. >> It was robust discussion. And then you still made the decision, Mr. Boner. I'm done with it because you
still made the decision and you're going to constantly give me this back and forth when the fact of the matter is it continues to happen. >> Commissioner, once the decision was made, the commissioners were the first ones to be notified. >> After the executive team, who we all know, executive team go back and they
tell their employees and they have one-on-one conversations. Then immediately it goes out and I already know before you send me a text message. Communication, sir. Communication. Commissioner Austin. Uh I just want to publicly state uh I
had uh sent a request to city attorney, city manager, and a couple other employees about a moratorum on data centers in the city. Um I I would like us to to discuss this at at this time. A
moratorum on any building or planning decisions cannot be made by us currently until October of 27 >> due to a previous ruling by the governor. >> Thank you. Senate Bill 118. You're
referring to Senate Bill. Yeah. Uh >> I just want that on the record. We can't put a moratorum on anything. >> We can't make any changes to code that somebody might interpret as harder to develop.
>> If I may, as more Senate Bill 180 prohibits anything more restrictive than what's existing in code. Specifically, there was Senate Bill 484 which passed on July 1st that spoke specifically to data centers. I am looking into whether
that legislation provides a very slim >> uh thorough way into moratorum specifically to data centers. Most municipalities because this is a new concept never had ordinances or regulations as to data centers. So there
may be a slim way to get us through that. And so that is what I am looking into now. But Senate Bill 180 has truly put the kibos on making any changes, moratoriums, limitations on any existing
ordinances through this time period that ends in October of 2027. >> And that includes a previous discussion by Commissioner Britain asking about a moratorium on apartments, myself asking about a moratorium on dollar stores, >> yada yada yada. And that
>> our hands are tied >> with making decisions for our city by people in >> Tallahassee. So no matter how many times we say we would like to have a moratorium, we can't have that. >> And attempts to limit Senate Bill 180 did not pass and so it still is in its
original form. Commissioner. >> Okay. Thank you. I just wanted that. >> Thank you. >> Record for anybody that might be watching or watch later. Um I did also ask the city manager recently to look into us uh doing digital
parking. Uh like Orlando is now getting rid of parking meters and going to digital. I think it it might be a good program for us to start uh at least on our city owned lots. Um as we work towards parking issues that we've
discussed over the years, uh perhaps it's a fund for a facility, perhaps it's a fund for more parking spaces. I don't know where we're headed, but but I have asked the city manager to look into uh what what that looks like and and and where that might lead us
>> with all of Craig's parking lots. Is Craig still here? >> Yeah, that that will be a discussion for the city commission because it's not just the mechanics of it. Currently, we do not charge for parking, right? >> So, the charge for parking, we need direction from the city commission. So, I'm asking the clerk to put that as a work session agenda.
>> Okay, >> great. minds think alike because I think I sent you some >> and that's where he got the idea. >> He stole my idea. >> I wasn't going to say that but >> is that part of the three million emails you're sending everyone? >> That was one of them.
>> All right. I think that concludes my report. Thank you, >> Mr. Sos. >> Okay. Uh first of all, I agree with a lot of what Commissioner Britain said. Um, we might have been notified, but we were notified in a way that I think took
us a back as well on how much time our employees have to prepare for a significant change like that. And I also do hope we can do better in the future with communicating something like that and communicating in in such a way that
everybody has time to adjust to a big change like that. Um, secondly, I've been attending some events that have to do with voting. So, I want to just remind everybody that there is a primary coming up. Tell your friends, you don't have a voice if you don't
vote. Uh, and the only other thing is, and we've also talked about this, Commissioner Britain and I, in general terms, this since we're not talking to a specific applicant here, but we, for the sake of people who care, listen to us,
watch us, we get very frustrated, as you can tell, about not being able to do more to control growth. I ran on wanting to manage growth, knowing that it's not something you can just completely control. And some of the hardest lessons
I've had taking on this position was knowing what we can and cannot do. So, I just want to reiterate and remind folks that we have a very detailed comprehensive plan. We have future land use plans. Even when I talk about let's
go into the future and make a change here, there are restrictions all over the place that say if there's a private developer and it's private land and they're complying with everything our comp plan says. As you heard Commissioner Britain say, and I fully support this, we would love
to say no more than we can, but we will take every opportunity when we have it to influence that development in such a way that it does not harm our people, our environment, our bald eagles, our gopher tortoises. Whatever we can do to
make sure that we are responding to those pleadings that we get constantly, we will do. at least I know two of us are and I think all of us do. So just another it's a glittering generality comment but just I would like you to trust us that we push against
that as much as we can. I don't like any more than anybody else driving down 46 and seeing all the apartments that are getting built. None of us want this to become an another Orlando. Uh the good things there but not when it comes to traffic growth etc. So that's my
soapbox. I know we share that soap box at times and that's all district one has. >> District one. >> You over there. >> I was talking for district one. >> That's all district four has in support of district one. >> Taking over the whole city. >> No.
>> All right. Mayor Thomas, >> I appreciate that you you mentioned about working with the developers to make their projects better. >> Yeah. >> Because we can't really keep people from using their property within the comp plan. But um forunately they listen as
as someone who for many years worked at changing our regulations to raise the standards and now being frustrated >> that there are things I would like to still change that we cannot do. >> Um you know I think working
through the process and I think our staff is very good about this trying to get the most we can. Um, I heard, you know, we'll do history lessons, I guess, um, 20 years ago pointing out that a PD is negotiated. That means if one side
gets something, the other side should get something. >> And 20 years ago, only one side was getting anything. >> Yeah. >> So, we have come a long way. >> We have come a long way. >> There are still, >> see, now when you are not here anymore, who's going to give me those history? >> I'll come I'll stop by every now and
then give a history lesson for you. Um, >> and maybe if you're done with your time, your >> You already had yours. >> So, since you've been around since the 1900s. >> Yeah. >> Um, >> yeah. But we're up to me. And I say this to people all the time. I think they
should have stopped letting people build new stuff in like 1970. But a whole lot of the people that don't want us to build anything else >> wouldn't have a place to live because all those places that they're living in weren't built in 1970. So there there was a time when when a city might have
been uh approached about a project where they could say okay you can you can build that but you got to do this for us right >> well in within parameters that's what we do >> well process
>> we do it in a different way now but back >> years ago >> oh yeah back in the day >> it could have been a fire truck it could have been a a building it could have been >> it was a lot sketchier back then >> right But we we we can't do that anymore, >> right? >> Um and I and I and I I don't think people always understand that.
>> Yeah. >> Well, if they're going to build a new apartment, then make them buy you a fire truck. Well, we wish we could. >> Well, in a roundabout way, they might be and they're impacting. >> Well, true, true. But >> all right. >> Um couple other things. Um Central Florida Pledge
>> doesn't seem like that should be a hard thing to get past. >> I'd like to take out. You can't do that. The the pledge is written. >> I know. >> What was it that you didn't like? >> Well, I can't promise that I'll never be
inflammatory. >> Oh. Oh, I you know, we've got people that I don't think. >> Just saying. >> Yeah. >> I think you >> No, I think that >> most of us try not to be inflam. >> I think that means towards other communities and other people in community, not against each other. We can be >> I can still be inflammatory with you.
Okay, then I'll sign it. >> Right. I mean, does it just agenda item. >> He's killing me. She go sick next to her. >> Okay. All right. So, I'd like to go ahead and do um >> to keep out of control. >> I'm sorry, Mr. Mayor. How do we need to proceed?
>> We're going to do an agenda item. >> Um >> the city attorney will take care >> and I believe a proclamation comes with it, right? >> Yes. And we need to coordinate that with uh Miss Kelly's office so that they like to be present. Okay.
>> As part of the ceremony. So, I will reach out and let them know that we are uh the consensus is to move forward and see when they're available to come back. >> Okay. Um >> thank you, Attorney Green. >> Since we were talking about 14 dioxane, I happened to look at the website. Um
the our update on um the 154 dioxane is probably due for a refresher. Um, >> and specifically, um, if we can get something about the current status of our new plant. >> Um, I think last time it was it said we
were at 30% and we were going to hire somebody. So, if we can get that updated, I appreciate it. Um, >> are we I'm sorry, I thought about this earlier during the shade meeting. Are we allowed to publicly at least post
something in regards to what is currently going on? >> I think we can post the timing. >> The timing the dates. >> Well, no. I mean that the the uh the case. Are we allowed to publicly I don't know as if everybody understands that we are pursuing
>> I I can work with Miss Holder about some communication. We want to keep it light. >> Well, maybe even on that same page, >> right? just advised that the case is pending, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I don't think uh the the necessarily the entire city knows that we are we are
>> and they're in the tab on that page. >> Okay. >> Mention the litigation. >> Yeah, that's good. >> But very updated. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Well, >> all right. And then um Parkfest this weekend. I want to thank all of the staff that was involved in
getting that done. Um, I know I hassled several of them numerous times. Um, and I know there was some some comments made on Facebook that were directed at the city when they shouldn't have been. Our
staff, in my opinion, was doing everything they possibly could to make sure that event worked and went well. Um, and there was some misinformation, >> not from us, that we got a we got blamed for, but >> it was a unique first of its kind event.
And >> I >> and our staff came through. >> It went very well. >> Um, you know, I'm sure there will be a um a conversation about improvements to it and and some changes. Um, and now we
will have probably a year to consider things like that rather than just a month. Um, but I just wanted, you know, that event went very well. Um, I'm just I don't, you know, of course I don't understand people that spend $100,000 on a golf cart, but that's just me. Um, you
know, I might spend it on a boat, but not on a golf cart. >> Most of us know as >> to each his own. >> Okay. >> All right. And with that, we
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