okay we'll go Ahad and call to order the meeting of San frity commission for Monday March 31st 2025 first order of businesses um uh legislative Prayer by Pastor Todd of the Stanford Police Department followed by the pledge of leg good evening would you please stand
with me by your head and your hearts with me please everybody father as we begin our time together tonight I just want to say thank you I want to say thank you for the foundation that was laid hundreds of
years ago that allow us to be here at this place tonight to to do business and to transact the things that are before us because those that went before US established the way for that I'm thankful for that Foundation Lord I pray
that if we I pray that we might find our feet planted firmly in that tonight and I play Pray father that as we move forward that in this meeting this evening that you would help us to uh remember that each and every
person should be treated with dignity and respect and pray that you find each of us might find out in our hearts to do Lord I'm thankful for the city of sanord I'm thankful for each component that makes it up and makes it a great place to live a great place to work and we're
thankful for that I pray tonight that you would go before in your name I pray amen United States of America and to the rep for which it stands one nation godible thank you Pastor
we have a couple of presentations this evening I organized a little bit um first is a proclamation on um on behalf of the retirement of Dr Hector oani if you could please rise and come forward
if you want to bring anybody with you please feel free to INF so whereas Dr Hector octaviani MD has been in practice since July 5 1985 till present at the central Florida Family Health Center doing business as true
health and whereas Dr o octaviani received his Bachelor in natural scientist Sciences at the University of Puerto Rico Rio piis Puerto Rico in 1982 Magnum laahi with a 3.87 GPA with a major in biology and minor in
mathematics physics and chemistry whereas Dr octaviani received his doctor in medicine at the University of Puerto Rico School of Medicine in 1982 and whereas Dr octaviani was on the board of directors from 1996 to 1999 Secretary of the board of directors from
1995 to 1996 the Clin co- director's network chairperson from 1995 to 1997 and the clinical director's Network Vice chairperson from 1994 to 1995 for the Florida Association of Community Health centers whereas Dr oani has been an
active member of the American Academy of Pediatrics from 1982 until the present and has received awards from the Shriner hospitals for children for his commitment to children with Orthopedic conditions Burns spinal cord injuries and more from 2014 to 20120 and whereas
Dr oani was a choir member at the All Souls Catholic Church in Sanford from 1993 to 2013 and received the simol County Public Schools exceptional student Support Services recognition Award in 2005 now therefore iart wer by the virtue of the authority vested in me
as the mayor of the city of Sanford Florida do hereby officially recognize With Honor on March 27 2025 the retirement of Dr Hector octaviani you well I'm not a person of a lot of words I just want to thank God
for giving me the health to survive all this years because I'm not getting any younger getting older every day but I was able to carry on keep this body going to complete this task thanks to all of you that help me through the
way Janelle Don the CEO good evening everyone thank you so much for allowing me time thank you mayor thank you board I just want to say thank you so much on behalf of the patient staff Board of true health
138,000 patients seen and 40 years you have been a blessing not only to True Health but to the Stanford community and we thank you and we love you we don't get a song from the choir member which is clas doctor it's going to be appropriate if it rains
tonight considering what we're talking about okay this one is for uh water conservation month whereas the city of Sanford and the State of Florida have designated April as water conservation month to educate citizens about saving precious water resources and whereas the
city is committed to setting a good example for its citizens regarding water conservation and whereas Clean safe resilient water source resources and supplies are vital to the city's economy environment and its people and whereas from April 1 to 30 2025 the city of Sanford will inspire its
residents to reduce their impact on the environment which helps save cost for consumers and ultimately saves infrastructure and operating costs for the city and whereas residents and business owners may become a more active Steward of the community and Sanford's Natural Resources by registering their
participation in the city's challenge helping to decrease water use and to further reduce pollution and whereas the State of Florida water management districts Florida section of the American Water Works Association and the City of sford are also working together to increase awareness about the importance of water conservation and
whereas every business industry school and citizen can make a difference when it comes to conserving water and whereas the city of Sanford's spring water-wise event will partner with the seminol county Cooperative Extension Service simol County and Lowe's for Earth week
Earth Day week on April 12th Saturday April 12th now therefore art wdrff by the virtue of the authority vested to me is the mayor of the city of s for FL to do hereby proclaim the month of April 2025 as water conservation month see at Lowe's on April 12th from
9:30 to 11:30 okay we have shower head exchange and then you can do water barrels meeting sign up for you can water conservation F water barrels
125 all right and they registered for that through the city website City website okay all right all right thank you very much uh next we have a presentation from the mayor's youth Council legislative action
days I don't see Lisa doing that not here do we have a presentation okay all right there we go commissioner Wigan commissioner
Thomas and I were all in Tallahasse with our youth Council there we are with representative David Smith they are and for it they took that they had me leave and then they took that picture these kids were quite
impressive full disclosure I did not ride the bus with them but they had um two full days of activities through the league of City and got to um meet with the legislator
and a couple of legislative AIDS all the capital probably the most well behaved participants up at Tallahassee all week and I missed the mock debate were you in that one commissioner Wiggins y that could have been interesting yeah
you have anything else to add about the the trip just again was our six years so again it's always thrill to be able to take the kids up being be able to expose them to this and so uh look forward to it each year all right it gives me hope that
kids uh have the interest in understanding how government works yes yeah we can get that generation involved and have them understand the process The Good the Bad and the Ugly then the future is good and thank you Nikki for stepping in at the last minute there and
joining us okay all right then that brings us to the minutes um the March 10 2025 regular meeting I would ask if there would be a motion move to approve oh hold on okay
because I would I think there needs to be a motion to um the issue is the word reprimand because an individual commissioner cannot issue a reprimand um so I'm not sure we want that in our minutes the commissioner can certainly bring a
motion to do that and as a board we can issue a reprimand um but I would recommend changing that language but that is to y'all to make the motion I would like to move to approve
them as written second any further discussion okay under discussion um I listened to your meeting commissioner Brittain more than
one um there are some things that you discussed that I also had discussed I think there's there were certainly good points made but it was clear that you were upset during that meeting um twice before the
end of the meeting you mentioned that you were intimidated by the city manager 15% of the time was spent on HR issues um to be perfectly honest I would have been staring at in disbelief when you suggested that an
employee that was let go should not have been let go because now they know it's a serious thing to do something wrong and there'll be a better employee at a different city um that's not what I say that is what you said okay you take that and so
for you to just pull out items and not mention the whole thing so I have no problem with clarifying I have no problem with clarifying if you would like for me to do that oh no I have the transcript then not read the transcript read the full transcript because that was taken
completely out of context and please be reminded I did not request the 101 meeting the city manager requested the one1 me meeting and he asked me what my concerns were human resources is a real concern sir our employees are a real concern sir
and them being comfortable with coming and speaking to their city manager to their human resources department regarding what's going on within the city of Sanford because we cannot cross the line of where the city manager the work that he does it is very
important but there is a spirit of retaliation there's a spirit of fear when there's supposed to be an open door policy and I instructed staff to follow procedure to speak to their city manager to speak to their human resources department and they left not feeling
secure so it was my opportunity to speak on behalf of those employees and so you said and if there was an actual issue because I'm not judge or jury here but if there was an actual issue I guarantee you that that
employee will make sure that they do not do that at another job because they're heavy consequences but you've helped that employee to realize what the issues that they have so they can be a better employee somewhere else exactly there was an issue
with you will not do that it is I will give you you will not do that sir you constantly do that to miss to me art and you will not do it tonight you constantly do that out of I have the floor I will be glad to let you respond
okay the other thing I know you were upset about was that you weren't able to have Leon um checking your emails for you and I actually have a solution for that so that you he can go through your emails and um and let you know which
things you need to respond to but when I listen to this as a whole and the fact that you were the one that could end the meeting I did not see an issue that required a repr me of course
you wouldn't now can I can I can okay so an employee was let go that we gave a bonus to that we paid for their uh air conditioned school that we invested over a half a million dollars in training and
it was a miscommunication with their PE card so without giving that employee due Justice like we should have done I thought that it was a waste for for us to say okay you you are able to leave
we're firing you you walk into a a meeting you're not truly able to defend yourself because you're blindsided and all of that investment that we put into that single employee we said okay fine we're done you go be some be better
someplace else so now another municip municipality has that said employee with all of the investment that we have and we constantly do that we have uh people that get their CDL license and they leave they get the bonuses and they
leave if that to me that doesn't make any sense for taxpayers dollars to go to pay for these employees to sharpen their soul sword to get educated and then for them to let them go I did not see where the complete issue was with the peard
thing there was a a mistake that happened but I couldn't go into all of the details because I'm not HR because I'm not the city manager that's why I asked for Mr bonapart to look at at that and my conversation with him is not uh like I would have here at the dis
because it's less professional it's it's less it's more conversation with just the city manager and I and I explained that to me that made zero sense whatsoever for us to invest that much and let an employee that has been here for 15 years ago because of a peard uh
mistake and I said that shows other people people that if there's an issue maybe there should have been a demotion or anything else other than us letting an employee go that did not have a history of doing stuff like that over a purchase card sir so and then when I
went to Mr bonapart Also regarding um employees stating that they were being abused I said the process of that was horrible because when they went to Human Resources a microphone was put in their face and they're afraid of retaliation especially because their immediate
supervisor is in the same room the the same office and knows kind of what's going on how does that help I can't step in there so I'm asking our city manager to manage sir and it's not being done now if I sound frustrated it's
because I've talked about this over and over and over again I said that it was unfair and it was not right we should treat our employees how we want to be treated also you read in the the transp script I asked Mr bonapart how would you feel sir
if you were that employee and your boss treated you that way and when you went to your City Commissioner your City Commissioner said you have got to follow protocol you've got to follow the the the rules because we're here to help go to HR and that's how it was dealt with and
I asked him how would you feel if that happened to you and I'm constantly asking the city manager how would you feel if that happened to you if our businesses are coming and they're complaining if it's your dollar that's on the bottom line if it's your employees if it's your house if it's
your water that's backing up into your toilets how would you feel let's behave like it's us like it's our bottom line there is nothing wrong with that I agreed with that you had said well then if you agreed with that then you should have agreed with other stuff too there is not one time that I've ever sat up
here and done something that should not be done or should not be said on behalf of the people of sford and you are always always going against it and if you don't see that we have a problem here then you're part of it too Mr Mayor members of the commission
for clarification the employee that commissioner Britain was first referring to was accused basically of violating City policy they were investigated and they chose to retire or resign uh yes there
was going to be disciplinary action because of their actions they were not fired they chose to resign we always do that we always should not be discussing employ here your city manager brought
than we already have motion I can interject but our Charter does not allow for the commission to get involved in the city manager day-to-day activities with the employees exactly okay so they should remove themselves from any
employee issues with the city manager or the human resources department or any other staff matter I thank you for that Tracy I think we should look at the city Charter we have a motion in a second M Mr Mayor I'm sorry I hate to interrupt
but in my judgment this being set forth in the minutes if it's going to be acted upon is an inappropriate action because in essence this is taking an action to reprimand or not reprimand Mr bonapart which cannot be done in this context Mr
bonapart is is entitled to do process himself if there's an allegation that he should be reprimanded then he need he has the should have the opportunity to defend himself and it should be done in the context of discipline not in the context of of the minutes I agree with
the agree and and anything that's been discussed thus far in my judgment Tracy like the number the deputy City attorney and I appreciate that should be done under the provisions of section 2.09 of the of the charter
which deals with investigations which says the commission may make investigations into the Affairs of the city that says the commission not an individual commissioner the commission may make investigations into the Affairs of the city and the conduct conduct of any City department off officer agency
Etc and may even subpoena that's the commission's function not an individual commissioner's function thank you we have motion second all in favor I I oppose I so you have no minutes no no minutes
we approved nothing happened so do those come back at the next meeting if you want them to but once again I I want to restate I think that even having that language and I appreciate what Tracy did putting that in there because that's but that is what was said that was what was said but I
think it's that is an adjudication and an adjudication should not occur except in an appropriate context I appreciate what you think okay we will move on um to facilitate public input if you
plan A item if you would please complete the Y of citizens input for and submit it to the box at the back where we picked up and delivered to the front um public will be given an opportunity to speak on any item before the city commission during a regular meeting I'll ask if anyone wants to speak on any of the items on the consent agenda before
we vote on that verying public hearing um there will be a chance for each um under each item uh to speak if um during regular items you have not filled out a a yellow card if you raise your hand we get the item you will be Rec I a three minute time lamp for each speaker on
each item during citizens participation at the M middle of the meeting um citizens May address any topic uh not on the agenda and there's a five minute time limit for citizen in comment thank you I forgotten to mention
that um commiss commissioner Austin is um Bill and will not be able to be here tonight can we get a motion to excuse that AB please to approve second all in favor I oppos okay so um is there anyone in the
audience who wishes to speak on any of the consent agenda items we could have a motion on consent a through you unless the commission wants to pull anything second motion is second any further
discussion all in favor I I pass first reading of board next 4820 Mr yes Mr Mayor and ordinance of the city of sord Florida relating to the Sanford Museum board repealing all provisions of part two chapter 2 division two of the code of ordinances of the city of
Sanford city code to include sections 2-21 through 2-203 of the city code and amending part two chapter 2 Division 2 section 2 d121 of the city code providing for legislative findes and intent providing for implemented
administrative actions providing for a savings provision providing for conflict providing for separability providing for codification and the correction ofri errors and providing for an effective date that's the ORD by time Mr Mayor Mr Mayor members of the city commission City staff is requesting that the city
commission approve ordinance number 4820 on first reading relating to the repeal of the provisions of the city code pertaining to the Sanford Museum board okay and just to clarify this is not we are getting rid of the Sanford Museum board we are restructuring it so it does
not have to act under um all of the rules of the Sunshine Law um the frequently are there are members that um that are together on other committees or other boards that would like to be able to talk to each other um so this changes it to an Advisory Group um they will
continue with the same function they just will not have the same formal structure and there'll be a resolution to that effect at second reading and they can have however many members they want right so do they still have to have um minutes and uh do they have to have a
quorum they will not have to have a quorum they wouldn't have to have minutes either okay all right so this is a public hearing anyone from the wish speak to this item want to close the public hearing bring commission for Action Mo approve
second second any further discussion all in favor any opposed pass nley first reading orance 4821 Mr group yes Mr Mayor n of the city of San for Florida reling to code enforcement hearings and other hearings amending the provisions of
section two- excuse me 26-36 of section 26-13 of the code of ordinances of the city of sanord relating to code enforcement hearing officers special magistrat selection code enforcement processes and procedures providing for implementing administrative actions
providing for a stat provision providing for conflicts providing for separability providing for codification as well as the correction of scrier errors in providing court and effective that's your by Mr the mayor memb of the city commission the city staff recommend the city commission approve ordinance number 4821 on first reading okay this is a
public hearing anyone from thei wish to speak to this item just in general this um this really is just cleaning up our code so that we our code says what we're actually doing in practice um puts us in a better a
better position to defend any actions by the uh magistrate um so I bring it the commission approve second motion of second any further discussion all in favor any opposed pass nley um first reading ordinates 4822 Mr
grou ordinance of the city of sanord Florida and nexting by voluntary petition certain real property tax identification partial number 34-19 d305 A- B 00 001d which is generally addressed the 169 Southwest Road located
contiguous to the city of Sanford together with Associated RightWay in accordance with the voluntary annexation provisions of section 17144 Florida Statutes redefine the boundaries of the city of sford to include s property amending the boundaries of the city in accordance with the provisions of
section 16631 Florida Statutes providing for finding providing for conditions directing the city clerk to record the ordinance with the clerk of the circuit court with the chief administrative office of simol County and with the Department of State providing for legal description and a map and providing for
the incorporation of that exhibit repealing all ordinances in Conflict here with providing for severability providing for non- codification and The Taking of administrative actions and providing for an effective date that's the ORD by Mr May with the mayor member commission the city staff have review the request for anation and found the
request meet the criteria set forth in the FL the statutes the property's boundaries are Contin to the SE boundaries and are reasonably compact it is therefore the staff's recommendation City commission approved the first reading of ordinance number 4822 to Annex .16 acre at the project address of
16009 Southwest Road as legally described into the city of Sanford this is a public hearing anyone wish to speak to the annexation anyone close the public hearing bring commission for Action Mo to approve motion second any further
discussion all in favor uh oppose nley first reading ordin 4823 Mr yes Mr Mayor ordinance of the city of Sanford Florida amending the city of Sanford comcy plan is previously amended providing for an amendment of The Future land use map of the future land use element of the city of sanre
conferencing plan relative to certain real property approximately 0.16 Acres or 6,969 ft in size located at 1609 Southwest Road within the city limits Maps relating to the property are attached tax par identification number
34-19 d305 a-0 b001b said property being more specifically described in this ordinance providing for legislative findes and intent providing for assignment of the land use designation for the property providing for the adoption of M by reference providing for severability
providing for ratification of Prior acts of the city providing for conflicts providing for codification direction to the code codifier and providing for the implementation of the statutory experise State review process and an date that's your May Mr Mayor member of the city
Commission on March the 6 2025 the city's Planning and Zoning commission voted to recommend that the City Commissioner approve ordinance number 4823 on first reading amending the land use the future land use from seal County commercial to City General commercial on
the one point on the16 Acres at the project address of 16009 Southwest Avenue it is the staff's recommendation to the commission approve ordinance number 4823 Miss Henson I have a question about this one
please all I usually warn you when I'm going to do this and I forgot I was not expecting questions you got introduce yourself yes hon planning director videoer um why aren't we going ahead changing this the single family overall
since the whole use of single family and that issue was actually I think raised at the cap meeting that that would be the desire of the other residents um once we explain to them at hunting and Zoning commission what was going on they understood basically the
whole area this map is very zoomed in but the whole area is still zoned commercial we can't bot Zone one and we can't do the whole area yet because it's not in the city so at this point in time we're allowing them to come in as commercial and then once they're in as commercial we do the conditional use to
allow the residential if the area continues to develop as residential then we can make the determination if residential is the best use for future L purposes but as of right now because it's still spotty and you can see it's still part in the city and part in the county it would then be every
other like where it's white would still be red and then where it's red with then yellow so it we it's it's not good planning practice at this point to bot Zone it's better for us to just wait until we bring them in and then make a determination as to what the best
overall zoning would be okay would this be something to add to the um ever um out there waiting to be done joint planning agreement um not really yet okay I mean we're we're taking appropriate action to
allow it to continue to develop as residential we do have Provisions in place that allow residential development in commercial zoning they just have to do those conditional uses which come with development orders and restrictions these sites individually are not large enough to build
commercials right so thank you anybody else have questions for she up here no sir okay this is the public he anyone from the audience pleas speak to move to approve second I gotta close the public hearing then bring the commission close public hearing move to approve second Mo
second any further discussion all in favor I any oppose pass on the SL ordinance 4824 Mr yes Mr Mayor in ordinance of the city of Sanford Florida providing for the resoning of real property totaling 0.168 Acres or
6,969 square feet in size tax parcel ident tax parcel number 34-19 d305 a ak0 b0000 001d which is generally addressed the 169 South roadin the city limits map
of the property attached from the simal county retail commercial C1 zoning classification to the city's General commercial gc2 zoning District providing for the taking of implementing administrative actions providing for the adoption of a map by reference repealing all conflicting ordinances providing for
severability providing for non- codification and providing for an effective dat that's your mayor Mr Mayor M of City commission at the March 6 2025 meeting the city's Planning and Zoning commission voted to recommend that the city commission approve ordinance number
4824 on first reading rezoning from retail commercial SEMO County to city of Sanford General commercial property located at 16009 South Avenue based on consistency with the city's comprehensive plan when an agenda item involves the qu
ey judicial process Commissioners must disclose all part Communications including the name of the communicator and the time place and substance of communication written Communications Commissioners investigation site visits and receipt of expert opinions must also be disclosed and made a part of the record persons who have opinions
contrary to those expressed in next part of communication May refute or respond to the communication at their hearing when they make their presentation equ I judicial process parties to the proceedings are generally the city and applicant others who have legal standing to appeal the decision can also request to be recommended to the party parties
are subject cross examination and must give their testimony under oath persons do not have to be a party be um to the proceedings to be recognized and provide comments members of the public who wish to make comments are not subject to cross- examination and are not sworn as evidentiary Witnesses comments of the public that provide facts relevant to
the application can be considered in the discussion or in the decision qualifications to Stat City staff are part of agenda materials all testimony and evidence provided in the city commission must be competent material and substantial and the florid of wall guide qu proceedings has been published
On's website and copies are available on the the table in the chambers uh where the agendas and speaker forms are now that I've read all of that are we going to have um is the applicant planning to testify on the the applicant even
here all right then I could have saved us all about 45 seconds of our lives so this is a public hearing anyone on in the audience wish to speak to the resoning uh this property know want to close hear bring commission for Action we have to say
that we have nothing to disc oh that's right I have nothing to disclose nothing to disclose as well nothing to disclose I neither thank you Comm for remind me um so we have a motion of second all in
favor any opposed pass unly that brings citizen participation each speaker is allow her five minutes and may present an additional um rent material um and I remind everyone that this is not a time for a back and forth conversation with the commission
um if necessary we can arrange meetings afterwards Christina hollerbach Christina hollerbach 1019 Myrtle Avenue good evening uh mayor woodriff Commissioners and everyone here tonight my name is Christina and I stand before
you not just as a business owner um not as someone who has volunteered countless hours to improve the city through committees Main Street initiative and special projects but also as a resident who cares deeply about Sanford's future I've spent years to help make Sanford stronger more resilient more Innovative
and I've offered my time and expertise I participated in task forces restarted programs and even brought my concerns directly to you as individuals believing that cooperation and collaboration would make a difference but here's the painful truth I've come to realize the system is
broken facts don't alone seem to matter the struggles of business owners don't seem to matter the frustrations of residents don't seem to matter the only thing that seems to Spur this city into action is the loudest voice in the room or a crisis that can no longer be ignored that's not leadership that's
damage control what we have is a culture of reactionary decisionmaking a patchwork approach that solves immediate problems just long enough for people to get tired of fighting instead of tackling issues with forward thinking solutions that build a stronger Community for everyone
we get temporary fixes designed to make the noise go away tonight you discuss whether to strike words of a commissioner from the record someone who is simply doing their job by speaking on behalf of the constitu and the people of our city you make a habit of silencing
voices instead of listening to them and I'm going a little off script the city to me has a philosophy of no because and even if it wasn't handled the way you thought offer up a way to solve that problem if the answer is she didn't do it right then how are you supposed to do
it with Florida Sunshine State law how is somebody supposed to hold the only employee that you guys have purview over accountable I'd love for you to answer that question what Sanford needs is leadership that Embraces growth Innovation and accountability leadership that doesn't just react to crisis but
proactively addresses the underlying systems that cause them right now we are losing talented business owners dedicated residents and Community ads Advocates who are tired of feeling dismissed and disregarded and they are in this room tonight right now we we
need a city manager and a mayor who believe in the culture of collaboration transparency and progress who generally care about Building Systems that work for all of us and not just pacifying the loudest voices until the next Crisis emerges I urge you to recognize that the public is not happy with the direction
this leadership is headed and we deserve better and we will continue to demand better until it happens thank you thank you thank you Mohammad Rashad and the attorney is going to have a comment for us Mr rash you okay then I'll bring that back
up when we get to that issue you had it down so there some comment that's okay um Leon conect good evening it's nice to see so many people citizens neighbors here tonight or people I know um
Commissioners I wanted to first I want you to Mark me down Christina is not Happ you got two in that thing I want to talk just very briefly about The Good the Bad and the Ugly someone mentioned that earlier there's there's a lot of good in Sanford there is uh recently you you voted and
work to give the uh police department a base base pay raise about time um you did the same for the fire department about time I know they're still behind and they're still losing people to semal County but we talk about that in the bat um there's a lot of events a lot of people coming into Sanford now sometimes
they claim they can't find a park place to park but there's always a spot in front of my house available and I can walk anywhere downtown so that's not really an issue and we have at least one commissioner and not just a single just only her at least we have one commercial who will speak for mind and not not back
down to intimidation and that's a good thing so there are a lot of good things happening somebody who really feels for Sanford and fress there's bad too Sanford spends a lot of time doing damage control hurricane Ian the SE sewer system was just spewing you know
what all over the place that's because it wasn't maintained for many years poor infrastructure reclaimed water is down right now people are asking me what's what the reclaim water how come it's up you know people are calling me for these things because they don't get a good answer from the city one for dioxine the
city knew about this many years ago way before the Sentinel article and it's been taking a long time to make progress on that public relations open for business nobody thinks you're open for business I mean maybe you are but you don't put it out there for people you
know you use puni statistics to say well a permit only spent seven days commercial or retail or whatever that ain't the person's experience be honest um SPD continues to be short staff what is it 17 officers down um we're put a put a big addition
on the city hall for what the one extra headcount this year 3.75 million plus all the money spent with the city attorney the department heads on Heritage Park money that went nowhere then there's the ugly you know I guess
our infrastructure is a part of that um we won't talk about city hall building we we all know it's kind of ugly but it's that's the way it is um the attempt to have someone unsay something you can't unsay something you know people find that out on Facebook all the time somebody says something I said even if you want to change the
minutes you know maybe from a legal perspective that make sense it doesn't to me as a citizen I don't think it makes a sense to a lot of these people to try and redact the minutes you can't unsay what was said um I'm glad to see we're getting a new City attorney I don't think we've been well suited for many years by our
City attorney the uh the city manager of St Augustine spoke to the sanord historic trust some years ago and he said to you to us he said you know the city attorney's job is to not say no you can't do that it's to find a way for you to do that so the city commission should be able to to say this is what we want
to go and you City attorney find a way to make it to let us make that happen and finally our leadership leadership City Hall cronies good old boys we're not
forward looking you know where were we were 10 years ago all we have is a few more bars a few more people in town we have no more retail matter fact less retail than we had 10 years ago at least then we had a lot of antique shops that people could go to U where's our Forward Thinking we have the city of what is it winter Winter Garden that's been going
great guns doing all kinds of things making it pedestrian friendly tonight on the news CMI making the downtown more pedestrian friendly what do we do in Sanford to do that to encourage people to encourage pedestrians to make people want to live and move here when they try to build an apartment we got all upset
about it we need more forward thinking thank you thank you thank you next item is procurement services for North Kate liit Mr Park yes Mr Mayor memb of City commission City staff is
requesting City commission approval of services for North Gate limited for miscellaneous repair parts and this is for a repair pent for the plant maintenance for the nor questions or Mo V to approve second motion second any
further discussion all in favor any opposed passion nly um budget transfers May the city staff is requesting City commission approval of a number of budget transfers totaling 7 $579,000 the first budget transfer is
for generator replacement in the amount of $71,000 the second budget transfer is the Grove view project which increase the budget by $154,000 and the third is a budget transfer for the lift station for amount of
$354,000 these funds are available in the capital utilities machine equipment account questions or motion to approve second motion second any further discussion all in favor I any opposed
pass e emergency procurement yes Mr Mayor m city commission the city staff is requesting approval of emergency procurement from cus for polymer and Cate chemicals and these are needed for the Utility Fund and the amount is $778 questions or motion move to
approve second motion second any further discussion all in favor I any oppos hle uh budget transfer protector Check Yes Mr Mayor City commissioners the city staff is requesting a budget approval transfer and Associated procurement for utility engineering cons consulting
services from tech for tech consulting services to the contract for the site 10 reclaimed water P Water Pump Station and reclaimed water flow control improvements project questions or motion move to approve second motion second any further
discussion all in favor hi anyos anley approve Soul sour yes Mr Mayor m city commission City staff is requesting the approval of a sole source of procurement from tala Machinery equipment the estimated cost for the pumps is
83,5 it is estimated the cost for the replacement pumps for the fiscal year is 75,000 bringing the total Advocate to $158,500 questions or motion approve second motion any further discussion all in
favor I any oppos pass nley um s Source yes Mr Mayor City staff requesting City commission approval of Soul Source procurement for Striker for Striker stri uh
Striker stretcher Striker stretcher and the power load for rescue 40 in the amount of 7,000 7,322 72 and this is for the fire station 40 okay and this is the one that's being built now right
correct question motion approve second second for discussion all in favor I any yes nley um the memorandum agreement with immigration yes Mr may members of the city commission City police chief
believes that entering to the memor forr with the ice will ensure that the city is compliant with the demands of the state and know that the city will attain compliance and only need to ensure that the prerequisite Law Enforcement Officers meet the minimum crime F uh
requirements supp for this agreement it is therefore the staff's recommendation City commission approved this I was hoping we could have um Chief Smith come down and sort of give an overview of this because I apparently was not doing a great job
trying to clarify it for people today good evening mayor Commissioners city manager citizens um regardless of how we generally feel about what's taking place across our country with regards to this mou two things that are are definite the
State of Florida and the United States uh government has required us to participate in this program uh some people have the idea that our guys are going to be out searching checking people running around and looking for individual that's not the concept with regards to what this is
doing our goal is to be available should we get a a phone call or request from ice or DHS to assist we will assign an off officer to go through the training to ensure that we are in compliance with
both state and federal requirements and therefore uh we will be in line with our requirements as set forth by the governor and the president so I think you you said it one officer will be trained we'll have an
officer who will be trained and assigned and so that people understand that officer uh will only be assigned to ice and DHS when they are called upon to participate in any of the programs or issues and concerns that they are doing within our
jurisdiction all right thank you any questions yes I just wanted to be clear so you're saying one officer what if there the city is called upon to assist with and need more than one officer generally what'll end up happening is what should occur is that they will call
us to do what's called DEC conflicting DEC conflicting means that they will are operating within the organization sorry operating within the city so if they notify us that they're doing an operation in the city and they request for transport we are we have provide the
transport for them to a facility uh for processing whether that's to S County Gil or wherever that's going to be that's no different than what we're doing right now we have one officer who will be here in the event that one of
our officers encounters an individual who is want it on any of the administrative warrants and have the ability to assist in detention or detaining that individual but beyond that that officer allows us to be within
compliance with the uh the federal government okay and make sure I and everyone else understands so these administrative warrants are issued by ice right okay we cannot act on those
warrants unless one of our officers cannot act on that warrant unless they are trained correct okay chief I have a number of questions uh in the memorandum of understanding of agreement it says that uh we will render
assistance when called upon by other law enforcement agencies when involved in lawful operations uh do we have somebody who's going to verify that they are committing or conducting lawful operations I believe if we get a phone call from Ice DHS FBI or any of those
organizations we're just going to trust them to we will I'm going to assume that what they're doing is going to be trustworthy okay thank you and next It also says that uh agencies will partner with state and local leas to identify and remove criminal aliens who are
amable to removal from the United States sounds to me like they have a choice of whether or not they want to be removed that's not a decision of of our officers that's going to be a decision through ice and DHS thank you next um the executive order is
called protecting the American people against Invasion do we think we're getting invaded here that's a rhetorical question you don't have to answer it um I think somebody had made the statement that this would not be a cost to the city but in section 10 of this document
it talks about cost and expenditures participating Lea Personnel will carry out designated functions at the ela's expense including salaries benefits Local transportation and official issue material whether or not the Lea receives Financial reimbursement for such cost
through a Federal Grant or other funding mechanism is not material to this MOA I'm not sure what they're trying to say there Mr Groot but it concerns me a little well one of the things that I'll I'll give you an example is we have officers who are assigned to ccib which is the city county investigative FAL
those officers are essentially paid by us to participate in investigations here in s County as well as in the city of Sanford uh we pay their salary we pay their overtime and so essentially this will be equal to what we're doing with
them likewise we have officers who are assigned to DEA uh the only difference in this case is that we do get reimbursement for overtime we may participate in any illegal funds that may be captured but presently we are actually functioning in that capacity
right now okay I I understand what you're saying that it is the same in some respects it may be in some respects it may not be because in the cases you mentioned we're not doing it as a political stunt um we also are talking about Personnel expenses administrative
supplies etc etc I mean it sounds to me like we're going to be not only taking a person away from things that they could otherwise be doing to keep our city safe for something that could to some people be interpreted as a political stunt it
just it doesn't sit well with me uh now again Chief nothing against you here this is not against you it's just this whole process of what we're having to do here or allegedly having to do and I'm not even sure about that
um it also talks about interpreters participating La Personnel will provide an opportunity for subjects with limited English language proficiency to request an interpreter qualified foreign language interpreters will be provided by the Lea so are we prepared to do that and if so does that mean another expense
to hire one no actually we have officers who speak several languages we also have the use of language line that officers have access to as well no additional expense there all right I think that's the extent of my questions and again please don't take those personal not at
all ma'am as I indicated in beginning regardless of our feelings about what's taking place we are essentially mandated to participate in this and we believe that our uh the program that we are putting in place will satisfied that
requirement understood right any other question yes sir right then do we have a motion Mo to approve than second any further discussion all in favor any oppos I that's is three to one thank you
Chief bid to Condor construction Mr yes Mr City commission City staff recommend the city commission find Condor construction to be the lowest responsive and responsible and award a contract and procurement services to the vendor in the amount of
2, 393,000 right um questions or motion approve second forther discussion all in favor I any oppos tly um retroactive approval of emergeny procurement yes Mr Mayor memb of City
commission City staff is requesting the commission to retroactively approve an emergency procurement for a gravity sewer repair at State Road 46 in Peto the gravity sewer line with damage when caused by a depression and and dangerous situation between the two lanes of
traffic on State Road 46 in Palo Avenue emergency crews we needed to protect the public health safety and Welfare of the motorist the emergency repair area is part of the Florida Department of Transportation State Road 46 project which is currently under construction failure to make their emergency repairs
with in an expedited manner would have been resulted in the city paying the Border Department of Transportation contractors for unexpected delay questions or motion M are approve second have motion second any further discussion all in
favor any oppos pass unly resolution 3364 yes Mr Mayor mson City commission City staff is requesting the commission to approve resolution 3364 relating to the request of the County Board County commissioners of Seno County to convey a
parel of property owned by the county to the city the city will benefit by assembling this County own parcel into a storm water management project and the city is developing for public for the public and the abing city-owned property the county will benefit by not needing
to maintain the parel and avoiding its misuse and the city will also benefit by not having to have property misused under that code both properties are currently tax exempt properties and not subject to ad adalone taxes questions or motion move
approve second second all in favor any oppos pass nly resolution 3365 yes Mr Mayor MERS of the city commission the city commission decided to hold this until another meeting oh that's right yeah
okay okay so we don't need to continue that no okay so um then we'll move on to Res ution 3366 yes Mr Mayor m city commission City staff is requesting commission approve resolution 3366 to amend the budget in the amount of
$350,000 to increase the utilities repair and maintenance account for rentals lease Etc this is an amount of $72,000 the increase is for the budget of 33 350,000 and funds are available in the city's 22024 Capital replacement
fund to approve second second and this is to keep a generator at the treatment plant is that right
okay until we got our new one okay thank you okay uh motion second all in favor any opposed pass unly resolution 3367 this members of the city commission City staff is requesting commission
approval of resolution 3367 to amend the budget in amount of $90,000 to increase the purchase order for additional Services related to the phase three Advanced meter infrastructure meter deployment consulting services for the mass meter exchange
project questions or motions why do we have so many budget amendments I mean it seems like the last couple of meetings I'm seeing a lot I thought that like many of the the things that we budgeted for are spelled out in the original you
know purchase orders so what is the ask here I'm seeing it's 990,000 and then 880,000 um who what department is this utilities utilities does anybody here from utility because I'm seeing this a lot
and we we we've got to be mindful of what we're doing with these dollars I don't know what the original purchase order was the amount was four but we're increasing BR Johnson Public Works
utility director the amount that you reference is we're requesting a budget amendment of $90,000 however um the additional services from Zha is for 88,000 so we just after a little bit transfer versus
what so what's the total ass total asset is $90,000 transfer okay $9,000 Amendment one more time $90,000 Amendment okay and so what the 88,000 we're not approving tonight yes that is
that's that's the amount not to exceed by Zha we're just doing we just instead of doing 88 we did $90,000 just to give ourselves a little bit of a ction I mean we could have done 88,000 what's the what was the original amount for uh purchase order 4 three that is a finance
I don't remember that that's that's an old purchase order that's a finance question okay and so what what what's the the need for the 90 so Zha uh is the consultant that we have on board for our meter Exchange program as a part of GHA
Services we utilize s so Circo and they're the technology side of it if you will and so as the project as we continue to proceed through the project which at this point I think we have about $18,000 out of the roughly 25 26,000 meters that we have to replace um
we've uh run into certain things that have cause us to have to um provide have them provide more services to us uh which is why I know you asked the question uh why is it that we make these budget amendments or have additions to
the pl is because um on most projects you run into what they call unforeseen conditions it's just things that we aren't aware of when we uh first implement the project it's just like construction you know if you're digging you running the things on the ground that you're just not aware
of uh this is no different than that we running a them that uh we like to call snags here and there and unfortunately requires us to um pay the consultant additional funds so what is it that we can do in the future so that we don't run into all of
these snags because I can understand additional 10K here additional 15 but when we're hitting 50,000 100,000 150k I mean that that means that obviously we're not budgeting correctly or thinking about what are the the additional accidentals that might be
happening and then that's where a lot of wasted money comes in so what could we do in the future so that we don't have all of these issues especially that's what the purch purchase order is for to line out everything that we're supposed to have absolutely well it's hard to
completely eliminate those things we do our best to forecast what's going to be needed on this project um unfortunately things do come up that we're not aware of um as hard as we may try to um as I stated forecast um you just don't know
um okay I can understand where commissioner Brittain is coming from because I think to anybody who reads through all of the minutes they might say it feels like 90% of these are utilities and what's really happening here and why are we amending the budget
uh when I try to look at this from a big picture perspective and you and I have talked about this that uh you know we don't talk about Capital Improvement projects during these discussions we're just talking about specific issues that we need to address it might seem like Band-Aid Solutions but they're they're
fixes we need to make um I wish we were all accountants so that we could come in here and specifically say that that number is not right we're spending too much money there so you know we're asking the questions we need to ask here are we spending the right money are we doing the right fixes are we thinking
long term about the best way to solve our problems because we have very aging infrastructure we need to address that and I think we will but in the meantime you know it might seem like there are a lot of utilities budget amendments here
and there are some but I think you're given the right answers on we can't predict everything but if it ends up seeming like we we're predicting nothing then we need to find a happy medium of doing a better job project to exchange
how many meter uh 25,000 what yeah now to your point I mean sometimes we we go into a project and we have a certain scope um and sometimes that scope expands as well because we realize some point it's e just fix these other things
doing this well SC addition to the scope just to fix some additional issues that may have come up um you know it it varies as to why sometimes we may get estimates from uh vendors and the
estimate may not have included certain things that we needed or something that we found out later that we needed and so now we have to change it um it could be uh related to the design itself maybe there was something uh that was wrong with the design that wasn't taken into
consideration so there are a lot of factors that go into a lot of these working hard on them Mr Johnson and I point out the the original um purchase order is in our materials it was $300,000 all right so did we have a motion on
that one yet motion approve second Mo second any further discussion all in favor any oppos pass resolution 3368 yes Mr Mayor M of the city commission the city staff is requesting the commission approve resolution number 3368 and amend
the budget and the procurement of the fire hydrant replacement and fire hyr maintenance repair and replacement from r&m Service Solutions the budget amendment is what $ 41,8 34 and is needed to cover the cost of the fire maintenance repair and
replacement in the total budget which was $240,600 were waiting for the bigger contract from the other company did I understand that correctly uh for the most part yes so the prior contractor that we had or we're still using it's Hydrox um they're finishing up some some
activity uh until such time that they have another contract in place that we can then piggy back um but we understand that there's an urgency and a need to get these fire hydrants back up so instead of waiting for them to get another contract that we can take it back we're going to move forward with
r&m so that they can replace the 20 hydrants that need to be replaced um but that caused in addition to the replacement of the hydes for some line stops and some other work related to those H but that is the reason we just didn't want to prolong this effort right
thank you yes sir any other questions we have a motion M approve second motion second any further discussion all in favor any oppos pass anly resolution 3369 yes Mr Mayor M of the city Commission City staff is
requesting commission approval resolution 3369 and interlocal agreement with the Sanford Airport Authority and Amendment of the guaranteed maximum price for the new Fire Station 40 resulting in a modified water storm water conveyance system that is required
by the St John's River Management District question is or a motion move to approve second you didn't seem sure quick all right yeah a lot of money for storm water it
is and this is modified storm water coning system as required by St John's water so they're requiring that I don't know I think I have a question here somebody wants to explain that one or not um basically it's us
partnering with the airport so that we can take care of our storm water from the new fire station they can take care of storm water from some development property and by doing it off site it makes more valuable property on the
airport proper developable Chris Smith is agreeing with everything I said there proper answer okay so it is expensive it's not much more than what we were expecting for
just our station and it makes a better oh okay so it's actually a savings it's actually a savings then well. the airport's paying 1 million airport pay so we're paying 800
875 okay yeah so it's all going to go through our contractor so it will look like our Fire Station cost the next to 1.8 million but the airport's paying us a million dollars okay all right any other questions then we had a motion second
all in favor hi I any oppos passle um City attorney comment you have a couple of items yes I have a couple add on Mr Mayor members commission the first one is the item that Eileen Henson and I discussed at
the work session which is uh authorizing zoning of progress to be initiated relative to properties around the Orlando Sanford International Airport and other places in the environments of that property uh which would
specifically we think relate to schedules U and R of the Land Development regulation so we're asking that the city commission initiate uh Z in progress and commissioner Thomas is correct the recipient is misspelled from
the agenda I will be corrected [Music] um so to clarify what we're doing here we're basically just putting everyone on notice that we're looking at updating regulations and rather than waiting
until those regulations are done um we will work with anybody that's that's doing any development to meet the new regulations so they're ready to go as soon as the regulations you put the development committee on notice and you're allowing staff to engage in potential developers
relative to uh incipient uh Land Development regulation what does that word mean incipient with the c and with s mean totally different things what does mean c means something that will occur
in the future that is ongoing that will Pro progressing to an end soon okay to a theater near you all right thank you all right so questions or motion I move to approve we have against motion
second any further discussion all in favor I any opposed that's nley the second item Mr Mayor relates to the authorization to file a lawsuit relating to the property at 101 East First Street
the owner would be Big Bubba Investments LLC there was extensive discussion at the work session this afternoon the issue with be for presented before the court to order the
respondent property owner to both ad here to the city code and permitting requirements of the city code and potentially to undo work that has been done in violation of the city code and without a permit um should we have Mr amondo give
a brief rundown on what we talked about at the work question there are so many people here Mr I think that would be helpful to provide the background then we have a request from Mr rad pleas
speak good evening Mayors members of commission remind again development serves I know we covered a lot uh earlier in the evening mayor in terms of a summary what are you looking for uh a
summary the elevator speak yeah okay we don't need to go into every detail but just sort of the outline and then other questions this uh in summary I became aware of the project in about 2021 we tried numerous times to get over several
obstacles several hurdles um it became herculan task really what we did do uh was we conceded an early start permit to get them in there get some demo work done get the project moving while we resolve those issues those issues and by
the way that early permit start and the applicants were saved them hundreds of thousands of dollars uh doing that they were very thankful um while we were working on those issues we tried to expedite the vacate process to the alate and even proposed based on recommendations of Staff giving them air
rights so that the catwalks could go across connect with the building we uh continue to work on the site plans but the site plant just could not get done and the the project was important to us we wanted to preserve the building we wanted to preserve what was in the
building and so uh as a concession what we did was we crafted a development order with the help of staff that allowed Mr Rashad uh the owner of Lords to and above to go in and start an interior uh start construction of the building not the outside while he was
working through the site development issues which were really the problematic issues it even got to the point where against my staff's recommendations Mr Rashad asked for of sketch what what would a successful parking lot look like and staff said well don't do this he's
going to use it against us um I pushed harder um just to go that extra mile and with the help of Mr Smith a sketch was produced and but it wasn't engineered it was just a sketch of this is what you could do and of course they resubmitted
that very sketch uh as their their proposal for the for the site it just was wasn't going to make mustard so we continued to work through those uh those difficulties in the meantime Mr Rashad secured a certificate of appropriate appropriateness from the historic
preservation board to demo the uh the pump house outside now that uh demolition was contingent upon three things obtaining a certificate of appropriateness obtaining a building permit and obtaining a site development permit and Mr Rashad secured two of
those three things but never got site development permanent approved you showed up at work one morning and the pump house was gone i s code enforcement down they cited them placed a stop workor order at the location and it eventually goes
before the magistrate the rules on the matter and determined that the violation did in fact occur and began finding Mr Rashad $1,000 per day uh until the problem was remedy um last week my staff told me were going out to look at the site
because they they believe construction might be occurring frankly I didn't believe them there's no way that this is happening and then they sent me the pictures and what had happened was that uh on the property at 101 East First Street of w spgo Bank building uh they
have begun construction on that Tower um improper there were no permit if you will recall I said we gave him an interior start permit only and it's well documented on the permit itself we have copies of the put this this evening some
reason you'd like to see it but um they extended that permit to the outside and began constructing a tower it's on a separate slab that requires its own individual permit and you'll recall that that
original certificate of appropriateness was only red demolition that to construct to reconstruct there's going to have to be an additional C certificate of appropriateness obtained by the historic preservation board never done not
done um and then finally there's evidence to suggest somebody's living in the building now we just this weekend what I did was I placed somebody there to watch it to ensure that construction did not occur again until such time is is the commission decides whether or not
obtaining an injunction is appropriate and what that enforcement officer reported back was that somebody goes in the building at 9:30 at night one light comes on in one building and the power source is an extension cord run out of a window onto the city's right of way into our Landscaping
electricity this is not uh unprecedented this has happened before I spoke to the owner about this and asked him to discontinue this in fact the police uh threatened the person doing it at the time which was a vendor not Mr Rashad uh with arrest because a step services so
long story short uh mayor and members of the commission is I've used every tool in my toolbox I have nothing else what I'm asking that you do is consider uh an injunction uh against the prop the the property owner and basically enjoy them and and so that a judge basically
Demands a couple things one is that stop violating the rules um and then you remedy the problems that exist I my resources are played out but if a judge issues this order
uh then the penalties go up significantly and uh there could be criminal sanctions involved which is unfortunately where we are at because we have to preserve the building we have to make things make sure things are being done reasonably u in a reasonable and
safe Manner and it's coming to my attention now we're like on our third iteration of sewer and it looks like the hole that's been dug is in conflict with the sewer that's been run potentially that has to be evaluated so we have to stop what's happening we have to obtain proper permits and certificates of
appropriateness and I think we just need te we need somebody other than Tony Rondo in Code Enforcement development services uh champion this cause we need the help of Judiciary did I miss
anything all right any questions Mr Asad had asked to speak Mr Rashad Mr you mentioned I might have a comment about that obviously listen to Mr Rashad you know but I caution you about engaging him in any
Communications litigation is on the horizon and anything you you engage with him about could place you on the witness stand or jeopardize position in this case Mr
rad good evening everybody um so I bought the building in October of 21 and then I submitted a permit so my very first permit had a 21 number next to it um with the kindness of Mr randoo
and the building official they gave me an early start in April of 22 then in August of 22 um uh Miss Henson asked that you know we stop the work because we needed a
site development plan so this whole problem started early on and there was going back and forth between me and staff um kind of like you know I think it's a personal uh a lot of personal issues there anyways back to
the building department 19 months took me back and forth submitting plans to the point that I ran into the uh commercial plan reviewer on his break front of my building that asked me if I
were you I would fire my architect so he this is Wayne Thorne that's a commercial plan reviewer asked me to fire my architect I brought that to Mr rando's attention and he told me that you know Mr Thorne was going to be reprimanded Mr
Thorne was still there looking at my plans I even asked Mr bonapart that I I requested that this particular uh plan reviewer not to review my plans and he told me like I cannot do anything then Mr Rondo came and suggested to me that I
do a third party um plan review and inspection so I told him like you know this is actually sounds good so what actually going back and forth for 19 months with the building department and you know the whole mess over there um I
got approved the very same plans got approved by Universal engineering and science not the plans there were no comments nothing and including eight sheets s sheets structural sheets that
discussed the elevator the foundation that everybody knew about that so I was given a permit BC 23 so now we're in year number 23 2023 two years to get my building
permit I go apply for a demo permit for the a pump house Mr assistant city manager happened to sit with me at the HPB board and he sold that they actually agreed for me to demolish not to build
anything till I get my sdp then things were twisted and then you can ask Mr randoo how the order of things you apply it goes in citizen serve it goes to every Department every Department you know put their stamp of approval and the
very first the very last Department that issues that permit is the building department so the building department calls me and it said hey your permit is ready come pay the fees and pick it up I come pay the fees and pick it up the next day we're doing demo and then I'm
yanked into a magistrate being told that you know I violated this and that and the other you know made a big old scene charging me $1,000 a day for this whole thing okay and then what did they say they asked me to do well we are going to
stop this that this, um if you actually get your sdp so the magistrate looking at me the very time the very first time he's looking at you know the code Code Enforcement folks and asking I'm so what's going on with
this they said like oh we issued a permitting error that's the code enforcement Personnel saying to the magistrate we issued a building permit in error or a demo permit in error and I am getting
prosecuted for this I'm everybody is slicing and dicing on me charging me $1,000 so I said you know what maybe this something H something good can come out of this which is what do you need Mr Rashad to get this thousand bleeding a
day to stop and they said okay well you need to get your sdp so go ahead and then the magistr is asking me so uh can you get your sdp I told Mr magistrate I applied for my sdp in 2022 two years ago I applied we were still in
24 what I'm trying to act ask staff today do I have my site plan permit fully and the answer is yes I got that on Thursday two days ago which was late because they actually cashed my permit
fees two weeks ago and the Personnel the engineer actually catched the check shook my hands and told me Mr Rashad I'm Gonna Keep done I'm gonna let everybody I'm going to let everybody know that you are approved and since we have done a
preconstruction meeting for the Utility side of things because they actually split my sdp or my cite development plan into half and you know utility part and then the full part we like you know the configuration I have been backwards for it Mr randoo he asked me to include a a
dumpster enclosure to have to house all my neighbors that have no rights into my parking lot and I told him tell me what to do I'll do it and then he told me and this is right after like one of those magistrate meeting and then he tells me like hey so what guarantees them that
you're not going to kick him out after this is all said I told like Tony write whatever you want your language your attorney and I'm going to sign for it I told him from day one you know I wanted nothing but a permit I did not ask for anything I allowed the public to park
into my parking lot for two years and it was recommended from a director that's no longer here to tell for me he told me you know what mammed if you want something done tell him you're going to start Towing people and
that's what I did I start I told you know we're all aware of this incident I told you guys like listen this is a private property I don't want nobody Mr verondo told me well I'm going to find sanctions I'm going to you know I'm going to find a way to put some code
enforcement on you and he did you know so he will find a way to orchestrate this last I actually came when when they did the stop workk order so let me tell you something I have a permit approved plans I have an affid of
approved plans for Universal engineering and science that has all my project interior and exterior anything the my my my building permit that included eight sheets s sheets structural sheets
approved so I go to Mr uh to Mr Romano's office on Wednesday so I sit down he's bringing in building official Deputy building official couple of people from uh uh from code enforcement and then he
stands up and he I'm like man like you started to do this again you're work without a and I'm like listen you have to respect me you cannot talk to me you do not talk to me like this I'm not one of your boys you do not talk to me like this he said one of your boys get the hell out of my office so he kicks me out
of his office and then before that he tells me I'm I I almost had you carted to jail okay so if any director tells me I almost had you carted to jail has some way to it and then if somebody who
actually used to be the deputy chief police of Sanford for however how long is telling me this you tell me how do I feel so I run outside and I call CRA rad Zack it goes to voicemail I walk down to Mr bonapart Mr bonapart is not at his
desk I leave him a message with his secretary I still have not heard back from him then I walk back and I sit by Public Works waiting for Mr radack to come back Mr ratac comes back he takes me in his office he summons Mr ROM to
his office Mr Aro apologizes to me he apologizes to me for tell for telling me to get the hell out of his office and to tell me that I almost CED you to jail so this is what happened to me okay so I
you know I sent you know somebody with the grace of God you know sends me a memo Saturday night I had no idea of what's going on today this whole thing was orchestrated Mr R apologized to me as a man I honored this and I shook his
hand and I always told him I look at you as my older brother and he and this is in front of his boss his uh uh um Mr radzak and then he sits down we calm down I told him like
Tony the whole thing is I have a permit I have approved plans just because the scope of war that was put written written down by my architect almost three and a half years ago that says interior work you're judging me by this I like I wait did not do any work on the
outside except when I got my site plan I have approved plans for my elevator shop is this all necessary this is what I'm asking you guys don't you see that this is a waste of time and waste of money a waste of taxpayers money you can ask Mr
rodac I emailed him this morning at 7:00 in the morning I told him cig have you seen it do you know anything about this and I send them the the memorandum of of what Mr Tony and Mr Gro you know with the blessing of Mr bonapart uh you know
orchestrated over you know the weekend and I asked him do you know assistant city manager replied to me he does not know anything about this so let's just talk about leadership here is a director that's bypassing his direct boss even
though he sat down with me and he this is you know he can e even ask Mr radzak he even said this is a rubber stamp we have already as of this moment applied for the building permit uploaded the
approved Elevator Shaft and the structural sheets that are proved with universal have apply applied with the notice to building official to basically this is the the the the procedure to go to the um you know not to deal with the
city because God knows I don't want to deal with the city nothing I don't want even seeing anybody of them and I tried to stay away and I stayed away they find a way to come pick at me and last but not least if you guys are thinking I'm working without a permit you can check the
records and I have them on my phone when you actually are dealing with universal engineering and science a third party plan reviewer and inspector on Tuesday I have requested a footing inspection
you know what happens when you file for order and inspection with universal they reply to you your architect building official and the mailbox that's uh building at sanfordfl.gov so the building official knew about this on
Tuesday but I'm not doing anything in the dark we were doing we we had this duck for the longest time I've had everybody from the city walking around back and forth what's this whole oh this is for the elevator Sha and then in in this memorandum they're saying like oh
they duck deep and this and have you looked at the approved plans I have a 5 foot pit for the elevator and we dug a 9 ft deep because we have three fet of gravel and two feet
of concrete we have the gravel down we have the F the the form and the rebar and we call for inspection does that sound to you like somebody's is doing something without permit I'm I'm calling the institution that I'm dealing with
directly which is not the city is the third party and in that process they notify the city so Mr Romano shook my hands on Wednesday back and forth emails on Thursday and they said this is a rubber
stamp they even you know the code has changed for the Elevator Shaft um for the elevator uh shaft and Universal told me uh since the code has changed if you're going to have to uh file again we're going to have to review it again
so Mr Fury you know uh told me don't worry about that I'm going to tell him that this has been approved so we should just move on so this is a rubber stamp out of his mouth a rubber stamp just filed for a permit and I'm asking him
like are you happy now that I have to do go through whole this whole mess this is was the last three days in Ramadan today is my Feast this this is like my celebration I'm being dragged and everybody's mocking me on Facebook everybody's calling me names everybody's
bringing my past and everybody's you know this was unfair this is this is wrong I have been wrong and and he apologized to me now he's coming behind my back and and and orchestrating this whole thing for what they take me to I have 4 million into this building plus a
million dollars on a purchase price I have $5 million of my money I have no loans I have nothing against my building and I'm proud of this and and and he wants to take me to court he tells me I'm going to C you to
jail so you you guys tell me am I wrong and does this like take all this your time and everybody else um you know commissioner Sheena when I met her three years ago she told me Muhammad your building has been
vacant ever since I was a little girl and I'm glad somebody's doing something everybody knew that the elevator inside the building was not adaa compliant everybody knew and Mr randoo thank you so much you've helped me a lot you have helped me a lot through so many
different things I just don't know why you helped me from one side and then come try to backstab me from the other I just don't get it and then all the accusation oh you're trying to do a little bit here and there and then sell it you know I wanted to to
to name the building after my my mom my mom passed in 2020 my mom's name is Sophia and I wanted to call the tower the sofhia tower does that mean does that sound to somebody that wants to sell this building and slap anything here and there and then just slap it and and and sell it and try to make a buck
here and there which there is nothing wrong with that but he would look me in the eye told me like you know I C you don't tell me I still get that permit you're going to sell this property I I'm like Tony if I sell the property anytime before I I I finish it I'm not capitalizing fully on
this and this is you know like I'm looking at this this is like my retir how many times I sat with Mr bonapart talking about a garage is this like this is how you're welcoming somebody that like you know you tell me a garage I tell you like let's go you tell me like hey team up with Dan Matthews and put
some work together we did six to nine months me and Dan collaborating putting work together to to to to build a garage that's needed for the back for for Sanford and back and forth back and forth and nothing happens after that
okay so can you go ahead and wrap it up please I'm good I'm I'm done so I you know at in conclusion I I think I'm I'm treated badly but I'm forgiving everybody I forgive you Tony I forgive you E I forgive everybody that talked ill about me on Facebook or whatever it
is um I've already apped for apartment you know like do you think I put like $5 million into this building to to go back and try to do work with un permit you know without a permit I hope you guys see the truth here and you know and let me finish just
give me my permit let me let me work that's all I'm asking I I do not ask for any help from anybody but to give me a permit and let me work I thought you said you had the permit I I do but now they wanted me to get like this other building permit for the accessories so I F for it and they said like we're going to push it through and help you get this
quick but I have my site development permit so all my site development permit I have it the building permit I had it two years ago from Universal engineering sence now they want me to just like you know seclude uh the the Elevator Shaft from the outside and have it on on a
separate permit I applied for it just to get things moving there was no way there is no reason for fighting anything but I was acting as if that permit included that when you have plans in in a submitt that includes an elevator that does not
mean that you're just like getting approval for it and not building it what are you getting approval for it to do to just like take pictures next to the the air okay all right thank you there I go um yeah you can sit back down okay okay
sir their questions okay so can can Universal engineering issue a building permit no no you cannot um I want to make some clarifications um the plans of universal I'm sorry I'm Amy Michaels I'm
the development permitting manager for the building division um I want to clarify that the permits that uh the plans that Universal review did have a full set of plans this was for interior work only which was specifically stated
on the permit which means he does not have a permit for the El V shop it was shown on the plans I reviewed thousands of plans throughout my career you can show dumpster enclosures you can show elevator shafts you can show these things on a set of plant that are
reviewed but it's the scope of work that's approved and the scope of work that was approved was for the interior uh work to be done on the building nothing on the exterior so he does not have a permit for the elevator um shaft that did come
in today however we had to uh it came in as the wrong permit type we had to correct that so it did come in today and it is it will start to go through the review process but he does not there is not an
approved permit for the elevator sha we only have an approved permit through the city of Stanford for the interior work only at this okay so the site plan has been approved the site development permit has issued what
does a site development permit allow you to do okay so he's got two one is for the utilities which we have spoken about and then one is for the site work that would entail um correcting the parking lot so any landcaping any horizontal
surface work and horizontal surface work only okay what other permit based on the plans the universal plans so show just interior or they show the entire project the plan showed the entire project but
they were only reviewing for uh the internal uh interior Renovations only and that was what was within the scope of work so we don't think Universal engineering reviewed anything except the oh just a minute
please reviewed anything except the interior work they may have looked at the whole set of plans but they were the building department only approved the interior work nothing else that was on the point how will we know whether
Universal reviewed all of the plans or only reviewed a part of the plan because we did not have a site development plan at that time we were only allowed to have them review for the interior because no exterior site work could be completed without the site
development permit okay so what permits does he need he'll need a permit for the elevator shop he'll need permits for dumpster inclosures he'll need permits uh he'll need regular building permits
there's a misconception that when a site plan comes in that everything that's shown on that plan once the site development plan is approved through planning they're approved to go out and start construction that is not the case they still have to apply for individual
permits for things like the dumpster enclosure uh interior work uh the Elevator Shaft Windows Doors they need permits for all of that um besides the site development uh plan itself the site development plan says that you can do this through
planning but you still need building permits so that we can ensure that it needs the bo a building per okay did y'all explain that to Mr Rashad what permits he would need yes the building official did explain that to him on several different
occasions I do the certificates of appropriateness are currently all expired in addition the one that was issued for um the demolition on the pump house which also will require a permit
was specifically for the demolition as Mr rundo noted before it says specifically in the development order that the aforementioned application for certificate of appropriateness is approved provided that the HPB does not approve any new construction
specifically limits its approval to the demolition of the pump house and with the condition that a site development permit be approved and issued prior to the demolition it goes on from there but it's basically it was approved contingent and concurrent with the site
permit and to answer your question mayor yes this was explained Mr Rashad and as he explained we did me about this uh after the stop work order was issued and we did shake hands and we did reach an agreement and the next morning his Crews
were back on the site working again and we had to go back out and that is what precipitated the second action was which was contact the City attorney and request intervention say that again so during the first meeting when
we placed the first stockwork order when we started construction of the tower we issued stockwork order Mr rad came here to City Hall that's where he and I had the heated exchanged and we were eventually we calm down and we shook hands and we reached an agreement the agreement was you're going to apply for
these permits here's the process as Mr Rashad explained however the next morning before any permits had been applied for the next morning his Crews were back to work on the site and that's we went back out issued the second stop
workk order and had no more options now there was nothing else I could do and so we contacted the City attorney can I speak hold on just please anybody else have questions for this
point okay I'll let you speak one more time but I do not want this to turn into a debate back and forth no I understand I understand and I I I uh I was up for two days I did not you know sleep and when they told me that your guys were
there I called them and some like hey guys get out because they were on the impression that we had a an inspection on Thursday and this is like we're talking about a footer so we're not talking about building anything they were just putting rear in a hole so there isn't any like we're not building
a tower or anything this was just an inspection but the footer would require a permit yes yes and as I explained to you that I had an approved PL I have an FID David and I can share that with you guys I have an FID David of review and
approval from Universal engineering and science that included all all the elevator and everything it was all the whole thing so like if you if you actually you know think that I'm trying to work without a permit like why am I calling Universal for an inspection this
at best is like a miscommunication or maybe a misunderstanding or you know like I did not know that a building permit would need would be needed for every little things that you need to do like when I applied for the building permit in 21 I knew that I needed an
elevator in an exterior and an inor for the staircase so all that was included in one package for them to say oh you needed an extra one for the dumpster enclosure you need an extra one for the for this and for that all this was in one package and was
approved you know any which way you look at this I came in in good faith appli for permits left right and Center submitted plans had them with a third party I can provide you and they have that they have that they have the affidavit from
Universal engineering science with the plans approved reviewed and approved so I'm like why would you you know the the scope of work is actually a sentence that you write you can be detailed or not but this is like a human
thing but when you're applying and submitting the plan why am I sub submitting the plans for elevator and and I'm not you know and I I don't I need to to get another you know and even let's just assume that they are right and I'm wrong what's you know now they ask me it's a rubber stamp this is this
came out of Mr Ran's mouth this is a rubber stamp apply for your plans are approved all you need is just to apply and we're just giving you the permit this is that this is the conversation how it ended on Thursday I didn't know anything about this somebody texted me
and you told me and and and sent me a memorandum of of of the city wants you know to file a lawsuit against me after we shook hands and everything else and I have been dealing with Mr radzak the most and he has been great with me he's
a he's a wonderful person great de very decent individual and when I emailed him this morning he emailed me back and he told me he has no idea about this but since he see the you know whose names are there and the date he him like you
probably want to come attend this meeting and and speak on this matter so I have my site plan and I applied for what they actually called a rubber stamp because my plan's already approved two years ago so but from what y'all seen you're
you're not sure that it fits the site plan so there is going to have to be review the building plan that we submitted today still have the pump house on them that pump house is gone it's been
demod the pump house that you see on the plans is the pump house that will be rebuilt because we're rebuilding the pump house adjacent to the staircase and the elevator sha see we have nothing from HPV to indicated HPV I I I got that approval
for the for the for the uh Elevator Shaft two years ago this is like I've been here for like ever everybody forgot what was going on this is the problem and and this relates to the whole issue you know about open for business you
know 3 years to get a permit three years Mr bonapart remember when I met you when we had the uh ceremonial uh ribbon cutting for Mr Mr Matthews and I told you like you know I'm here I want to be part of Sanford
and you start talking to me directly about the garage and we start talking about all this 3 years I'm still yet to get my last permit I you know staff told me to fire my architect this is this is open for
business well I met with your architect to explain to him how to draw a parking lot you know we can we we you know we can agree or disagree this isn't you know this is a licensed Florida architect you know and I like he is a
licensed architect yeah he is a licensed architect and I mean like you know he I would love to to take anybody okay you know this is what I'm getting you know like people are laughing at my architect the mayor is laughing at my archetyp this this is
unacceptable mayor this is unacceptable I accept your apology thank you this is open for business they're telling me Oh we need the most amount of parking spaces I ask the guy the poor guy gives me 70 or or
80 uh spaces then they kept sending me to the ringer oh add this subtract this do this do that and then he text me I still have that text it was August of 23 when Mr Romano texted me a sketch that was made by Chris Smith and I told him
like listen I'm not bringing this to to to bash you or anything I actually love that you think outside the box I tell me what you want I'll do what you want I just want a permit I'm not here to fight you we submit the same exact thing that
christh Drew and he came back with like a list of this comments thank you uh we need to um move on and make a decision I'm not making a decision tonight on me I'm not I will not make a
decision tonight on this that'll be up to you and the commission I don't know where where to go up down left or right I at the work session I listen to what staff said I totally agree what staff said I'm listening to Mr Rashad I'm totally agreeing what Mr I don't speak building I speak people and I don't I
don't know what's going on I I I'm disappointed on both sides because what I'm hearing is that I am trying my hardest people I I don't if if if work was told to be stopped Mr Rashad I do not
understand the next day how work is still going I'm not going to go back all the way back to when y'all first began and I'm trying to figure out how we can move forward I'm I'm lost no no no no okay I'm saying I am lost I I want to be able
to support our city staff and to say that they're doing a good job and stand behind them 100% I want to be able to support our businesses and say I stand behind you 100% this is ridiculous all across the board and the people of Sanford are
suffering for this I do not know may we able to continue so we can get a better understand well the problem is if we continue it what happens over the next two
weeks um if if the concern is construction will continue without permits no it's not stop so this this is a bad mayor I know I know I understand but I mean like you know you know what you really need to say is that they can
issue me my permit because they already have approved plan this is what they said it's a rubber stamp Mr romanu did you or did you not tell me that this was a rubber stamp for her M Mr didn't he say that this was a rubber
stamp Mr Rashad the easiest way to go is I comply I am sorry I worked in their eyes without a permit I applied for the permit I will not resume in your work
till they issue the permit does that make you guys Happ isn't that the end result that we want to move forward we definitely want to move forward okay well I'm I'm giving you I'm giving you the path here it does not get it doesn't need to be complicated sir I need you to
go ahead and sit down okay thank you thank no no permit can be issued without see anything mayor the comment about the rubber St was attributed to the site development per because I knew it was already done it was done when we had the meeting um and I waser to legal but I would May
mayor if you approve us to move forward with litigation and Mr Rashad does what he said he's going to do nothing happens nothing happens but if we don't approve litigation then I have no recourse if he
goes back to work and Contin used to work without permits on that site I'm out of tools well and I I was leaning toward approving with the condition that any
action would be abated as long as the process moves forward as it should but I'm not sure Mr Rashad understands the timing issue with the CFA that he needs that those have expired and he has to reapply for those
and there is is there a way to no sir sir I'm trying to to get through this okay M Mr Mayor first of all you know that's inappropriate the second of all and
probably more importantly is if you authorized suit doesn't have to F and if if Mr Rashad did go back to work then it could be filed and I'm telling you right now the first thing I'm going to do is play with that that
statement that was just made is it recorded to a judge because he just promised that he would not do any work that's what I heard he promised he would not do any work without a permit he would continue to stop what he's done now which is he said stop so if he just
authorized the suit doesn't have to be out but if Mr Rashad breaks his word what he just said to you all just a few minutes ago then we could initiate the lawsuit okay but the is the issue is the cfas have
one of the issues is the cfas have expired right once they have expired they cannot be extended so he has to reapply for a CFA what is the shortest path TimeWise to get the CFA he would need to also get the building permit
coincidentally tomorrow is the deadline for the next um HPB and when is the next HPB the 16th April 16th so it's two weeks well so April 16th would be the earliest that
a permit could be actually after the HPV meeting on the 16th would be the earliest a permit could be issued correct and he would have to have a completed and sufficient package for HPB consideration submitted by tomorrow and
that needs to be for for the construction of the elevator anything vertical right I would include anything vertical because anything vertical in the historic district requires the C OFA so that may or may not include the
dumpster enclosures the Elevator Shaft the replacement water tower and anything else that may be vertical that I'm overlooking in this you know moment from my perspective there's two CV missing the first one that was
issued was never perfected it was never paid for he never paid for the the fee for the the application and then and it expired that's C OFA number one that was for the demolition that was additionally approved but just occurred so that's one the second one is
there's no CFA for the new pump house that needs to be applied for that's for new construction the pump house and the elevator sh yes and potentially the dumpster enclosures I would include those as well because they are vertical and then even if they're just
standard dumpster enclosures they still have to be reviewed by the HP dumpsters have to be not the dumpsters themselves just the walls that are being built around them to make sure that they're architecturally consistent with the building and the general intent of schedule s
okay okay so based on where it is right now I'm not sure I want to go here or not I don't know I was say I don't know enough about the plans that were
submitted today to be able to speak for Julie and say that there's enough information in there to be a sufficient package but he would still have to put in the application for the CVA so is there
enough footer work and and nonvertical work that any of that could continue without a c of a and still meet
the purpose of the cafa that it be appropriate for structural I don't believe so because they can't do a footer without a building permit they can't do a building permit without a CFA but he has a site development permit nothing says he can't start working on
the parking lot start cleaning it up start getting that part approved like moving forward he also has the utility permit for underground work and getting that utility System complete so he needs to work with the utilities department to get that system in so that phase two
which is the CRA phase can pick up and continue because all of that work is approved Mr R do we explain that to him yes okay so the horizontal work has been approved as part of the site development
permit anything vertical up or down has not the new piece of information we received in the workshop is that se might be in conf with the with the SL oh and that has to be resolved okay but regardless of what we do
tonight the 16th is the earliest possible date to get an approval to continue work is that what I'm hearing yes for ver for anything vertical
anything that would need a c OFA all right so the parking lot does not then I would be I would consider approving the litigation with a batement
um until the 16th or as long as he continues to to work under actual permits and that we sit down and put in writing if we haven't already here is exactly what is needed and when it is
needed I mean I agree with the the attorney approving the litigation doesn't mean any litigation is filed unless there's a reason to actually do it I agree I I I support Tony in the fact that he's saying that he needs to have something that has some
I do agree with that as well um but I do want the project to continue in the right way I think we all want it to continue all of us are excited didn't all right I said I wanted to continue in the right way I'm just speaking for me all right somebody wants to make a motion
otherwise I think we put enough fear into enough people to get this on track one way or another um I know everybody has good intentions here so we're not doubting that um I'd like to think that all of the truth is coming out here I
think much of it is and as commissioner Britain said and the mayor has said we do need to have something here to say we have to have that potential of litigation to get things on track I would ask that I know you're doing this
already I hope you are making sure that our processes are as clear as a bell to everybody involved in this so that there is any no doubt that the people involved understand what's expected of them and
when I think it is but let's just make doubly and triple sure going forward that everyone here understand stands what their responsibilities are and agrees to comply was there a motion in
there I cautiously move to approve the litigation but not the fact that we are litigating I think would you can I help maybe authorize you did put the words in here if you just move to authoriz move
to authorize the filing of the litigation but the ACT to authorize the litigation but would only be filed in the event of non- compliance by the property owner which would mean commencing instru
construction again without a perit that your motion who's agreeing to the non-compliance definition we are you are I want to like clarify because we talked about a couple of different things are we saying we are completely stopping
work completely or as iene was stating that there are other things that can be done you can do the parking you can do some other maintenance stuff the okay the the sewer so you can work on that so I don't want it to be I'm walking out there picking up trash and I see work
being done and then I'm I'm like okay he not supposed to be doing anything so are we specifically saying okay we're stopping work completely until this is done he can't we just need to stop the stop the non-permitted work non-permitted work okay since the vice mayor is not here
you want to take that no I don't want I would move to authorize the litigation um with abatement as long as there is no unpermitted work being done and I I don't take that motion
lightly because I don't think we I'm not sure we've ever faced this before to have a project that we want to have happened and that has been this much of a struggle that's my motion call for a
second second no you have to call for a second you can't second because you have the G is there a second is there a second a second discussion discussion any
discussion no all approved hi any not approving um motion carries you'll have to do this you did good
okay so somebody you would get with him and make sure we are very clear and that he is very clear about the need for the CVA application by tomorrow so that he can move forward and the things that he can
go ahead and start working on okay all right thank [Music] youon excuse me Mr Mayor Tony I would ask that staff write that up present it to him and share it with the city commission yes
sir anything else City attorney no thank you city clerk we have some um board appointments yes I don't know if you saw the alternate and Z has given notice he is moving so we were looking
for an alternate now we're looking for two okay so let's do the easy ones first stford Housing Authority we had said Terry tth and Thomas what's Thomas
Thomas no [Music] relation Rosalyn Thomas yeah second all in favor I any oppos pass generously now does it make sense to
appoint Museum board members if we're changing that I mean we can appoint those when we redo the whole thing there'll be a resolution for you next time for that okay all right and then um we had agreed on Michael aosta for
pnz but now that will not be a alternate position that'll be a full position is that my understanding no we need two alternat we need two alternate okay so
my um does anybody have their okay so let's do Michael aosta tonight and then everybody look at their stuff again all in favor
anything else city clerk city manager nothing this evening Mr Man commission okay City commissioners commissioner Thomas cool I'm going first yeah uh events I attended Interfaith ifar which
was a wonderful event and um so happy to see that we have a strong Community there uh we were very welcomed and I look forward to for more of those uh on the 18th was the Iranian fire Festival I don't know if any of you were there but that's also an amazing event uh Lisa
Jones was kind enough to give me finally my parks and Rex tour I'm elated to have done that I think you guys do a fabulous job and I'm grateful for that uh we already talked about legislative action days in Tallahassee that was always that's always significant to me I've
worn different hats when I've gone up there and it's been useful sometimes frustrating but at times useful um I attended with commissioner Wiggins magic coming to uh due dedication at Coastline Park that was a wonderful event seeing a tiny little kids with a very tall
basketball player who U made them look tinier than they already are um upcoming events we are having Central Florida homeless Homeless Coalition again we're having a retreat for four hours on the fourth so I'll be at that uh Sanford speaks as commissioner Williams will
tell you I'll let him I won't steal this thunder on that um today happens to be what's been going on for 19 years now this is the trans day of visibility and I would like to honor that day and it
makes me think about my friends alanar Robin Jillian and Ally all of whom have left the state because they feared for their safety I have other friends here who haven't left and I will stay here and continue to support them as best I
can and I would like to think that you would all consider being kind and open to all of your fellow citizens here because honestly who cares uh but let's have some respect there uh let's
[Music] see I have some other points I want to make probably in conjunction with what you will hear from commissioner Britain so I don't know if I might want tag team here on that um let's just say that I
have gone judiciously through our city Charter our employment agreement with the city manager and I'm new at this so you'll hear this from me and I'm going to use that as much as I can until I'm not new anymore
but um it's just concerning to me that we have very detailed processes on how to fire somebody short of that there's not a lot documented on how we manage the discipline for any of our employees
whether it's well most of it's up to HR those of us in the commission are responsible for the city clerk the city manager the City attorney and I just maybe we need to do a better job next time we're looking at reviewing How We
Do employment agreements and how we do a city Charter because when it comes to Progressive discipline unless I'm missing it it ain't there so it's hard for me to disagree with somebody who wants to try and in the only open fors we have to talk to one
another about these things say that there is an issue I have not been here during that whole time to have the specific experience with what a lot of these issues are so I have to digress to somebody else to talk about that but I can say that I have looked at how we
deal with these things and I'm not comfortable that we have enough procedure documented to do it properly um everything that has been said in here by the attorney I don't disagree with but it looks more I'm sorry but opinion
to me than fact so we can talk about that more and you can correct me but that's what I'm reading here this is my opinion this is what I think you cannot do that but I'm I'm just I'm not finding something behind it to
[Music] say it's written down somewhere so pardon my ignorance if I'm missing it I'm sure you'll tell me but uh I think we just need to do a better job of what happens between the time we hire somebody and the annual review that we're very good
at and somewhere in between there I'd like to have something that says we're trying to fix something here I don't necessarily want you to go away but if there is a problem again not coming from me but if there is a problem how do we address it and make it right what do we
do to imp prove that behavior short of firing you or anybody else that we're responsible for firing that's what I'm trying to fix here and I think I'll stop there commissioner Wiggins just want to thank some of City staff and some of our
par last few weeks uh two weeks ago Mr Henderson was they we took uh about 20 kids to the all the magic games their first time actually going to a magic game so a lot of those kids are very excited about that uh next day we were able to take them down to Tampa the
Universal Soul Circus uh took about 50 kids and parents down there um again just give kudos to uh Lisa holder with a legislative you know action day to said that I look forward to doing that with the kids again you guys know how much I
love our youth and it gives them an opportunity especially some of the ones that would not have been able to take that trip they were not a part the youth counsil with the young man young women Vet program and also my uh my partner my brothers Mark and Ryan with picnic project uh this past priday with that
mother Ruby Wilson Park and again was able to bless 50 families uh with groceries again we do that once a month and then also um giving K shouts out to parks and Ricks on how they had um Coastline set up but also uh Mr Brit
Henderson um spearheaded opportunity where we had Coach Line Park we had two basketball courts that the Orlando Magic and Advent Healthcare man to uh refurbish and we had about 60 kids out there that met you know Nick Anderson and one of their ball players that are
playing right now so again just exposure to give our children and the community an opportunity uh see some things that they never would seen before so want to thank you for that done all right commission BR thank you Mr Mayor um first of all I want to
thank the residents that are still here and I know many of you will be watching on YouTube there were a lot of people that left and many of you all that I ask for you to to come tonight I'm going to read over some of the concerns that I have here um just so that my thought process is is clear and that you hear
from me so um I want to thank the residents who have taken the time to attend tonight's meeting while you elect representatives to Advocate on your behalf your present here sends a powerful message and it holds us and I'm saying us that includes me accountable
and ensures that your voice is heard I have any concerns but I'm going to try to condense some things tonight I'm going to start with the concerns about litter Control Management the city commission approved a dedicated litter control position to address the growing concerns of litter throughout Sanford um
Miss Woodward is here I spoke to her about the um litter on melonville um I spoke to miss demmings um who who walks um uh in the mornings and we are constantly talking about trash and that's one of the of the five things that we have going on in the city of
Sanford that is a really uh big issue um I was informed that the person that we made uh a special position for to do Straight litter control was reassigned to another crew to me that's unacceptable and the reason why I'm saying that is because this is one of
the issues that I brought to the commission and stated that it's something that we needed to work on so I asked the city manager for a um a report some data that shows what is being done they said that he was put onto a crew this was the message that I received
back the decision to place the litter control employee with a crew was a management decision based on problems that were experienced with the employee discussions were had with the employee about undesirable behavior that management notice and when the discussions failed to change the
behavior a decision was made to place the employee on the crew now this is the employee that I told I asked City Commission uh to have so that we can address the litter control issues now when my frustration comes out or I seem Snappy
or or whatnot it's because I have been working for years to try to get things accomplished years for small things to happen the residents of sford that I represent were promised a solution and then we're back to square one because that person wasn't being accountable for
his position so instead of reprimanding instead of saying okay you're not doing the job and getting somebody else to do the job that I told my constituents that we were going to do we put them on the crew this is yet another instance where decisions are
made without transparency making it difficult for me to effectively represent my district now had I not been asking for a log of where the the trash pickup I would have never known that this gentleman was put on a crew I get
up twice a week and I go pick up trash myself and I'm saying we just hired new people why like why am I still picking up two bags of trash myself then I decided to go and drive over onto melonville because that's what one of my constituents said that there's a lot of
heavy traffic over there and trash was still there so I'm saying well where is the log to find out that the person was put on the crew then all of a sudden I was informed that now the person is back out okay mov it on communication and
engagement I have emphasized to the city manager the critical importance of clear communication between the city and our residents that's one of the things that I constantly talk about here's one of the things that I think that will be effective if you watch YouTube now with
the new technology you can scroll across so those residents who are not able to attend the meeting they don't know really what's going on they don't speak government you can tap on on the uh scroll button and it will show you what
is being spoke about okay and so it's like a adding a Tim stamp and description to the videos that would allow residents to easily navigate discussions without frustration a lot of the time our residents do want to engage they do want to be involved in what's happening with City Hall but it is
difficult you have a family you you're you have a business and it's hard for you to come and attend a meeting then you have to go on YouTube and try to look through three or four hours to talk about one item that you heard maybe on social media or it's your subdivision or it's trash or what have you this is very
important it does help it doesn't cost the city of a lot lot of money and if I can do it on my YouTube channel then so can the city of Sanford uh golf cart policy issues the ongoing struggles with golf cart regulations are unacceptable
unacceptable residents are receiving citations despite having paid their registration fees the renewal process I've spoken about over and over again with the golf golf cart stickers should be accessible through citizens served it should not be tedious and a frustrating
task the we all talked about the Saturday golf cart event that was a it could have been held it could have been conducted better um we need to revisit the policies and procedures to ensure that they are clear fair and
efficient for our residents I want to talk about hurricane preparedness hurricane season begins June 1st and proactive planning must happen now I know that we have some things that in are in order and of course I'm going to receive an email
about this that and the other should happen but we can't rely on last year's plans we need updated strategies for our flood clone areas debris removal storm water management residents and business
owners need clear communication about what's going on a lot of the times things that that happen or All the gossip or social media or the complaints is because they don't know what's happening if we're effectively communicating if we're saying okay this is going to be what we focus on this
entire week this entire month but just giving the excuse that we just posted on social media is not not enough these people have a life um if our residents don't see it it does exist let's talk about cross training um
from The Parks and Recreation to maybe the Public Works um Department we know that draining drainage and um is a big issue for our area and I'm not just talking about downtown because downtown uh district one is more than just
downtown and the city of Sanford is more than just downtown um I want to address infrastructure and maintenance issues I strongly encourage the public works department and the city manager to conduct some on-site evaluations rather than relying solely
on office meetings specific concerns in district one nine street lights that I counted are out on Simo Boulevard the market lights on Palm meal and Park Avenue remain nonfunctional I one day I'll go out there and I'll see that they're working the next day that they're
they're not um leaves continue to pile up on storm water drains leaving leading to preventable flooding um I'm encouraging some logs in the public works department
like I'm going to give you an example if I come to the city manager and public works department and I say that there's a sew sewage leak leak that occurs and they go out and they put lime down there should
be a followup process to ensure proper cleaning I should not have to call back and say are y'all going to leave the lime out there because the parents of the students who have to walk across that for the bus stop are not complaining because it's a week and the lime is still sitting out up there these
are just simple things that I'm that I'm constantly complaining of about let's have some followup and it should not have to be the City Commissioner constantly complaining about things that is not who I am that is not what I want
lime is down pressure wash plot Storyteller before I talk about something else I do want to applaud Carmelo who is our street sweeper I watched him last week going
above and beyond um with our street sweeping um sometimes he gets out where the uh um speed bumps are there is a the little
covering and sometimes the the leaves get caught underneath there so even though we sweep water is still trapped because the leaves are there I watched him get out blow those things out immediately I recorded him and I sent it
to Mr Johnson I sent to to Mr bonapart because I believe in not only complaining but also talking about the good things that are happening in the city of sford and our employees I really truly believe that we should be trying to form some sort of system where we're
letting especially the downtown area that has the street parking that there are days when they should par to the left or to the right um so that we can efficiently get the leaves up because there are times when you see the street sweeper goes around but I think if we
had an active campaign if we did videos about not blowing your yard waste into the streets and it not just being one video people the attention spans are short you have to be able to know how to engage with the public Let It Be A weeklong Thing uh use your um
ambassadors or whatnot so that we can make sure that we effectively getting our streets clean it's not rocket science um the need for leadership and accountability Stanford is an incredible City with Incredible
potential we are the only city in Central Florida that has a major Waterfront a historic and Entertainment District an international airport Access to an internet I mean to the interstate the SunRail and amtr connectivity and
despite these assets We are failing to implement forward thinking we are failing We are failing to implement Forward Thinking leadership that matches the city's
potential I appreciate that the commission came together to hire a new attorney but we must continue to demand higher standards for leadership across all departments I was elected to serve the people of Sanford not to be a passive
participant in local government yet I am constantly met with resistance being advised not to attend the plan and Zoning meetings being told not to challenge the city manager's evaluation being told not to ask difficult
questions about development my job is to advocate for my constituents not to be silenced or constantly stonewalled my purpose for asking residents to listen tonight and to come to the commission meeting was a call to
action for district one residents I encourage you all to come because your presence makes a difference I do not have regular community community meetings like District 2 because every commission meeting is an opportunity for
engagement however I cannot fight these battles alone I cannot I need your support to push for better leadership better management and more innovative solutions my question to my my fellow commissions and you don't have to answer
tonight is are we seeing a return on the taxpayers in investment in leadership to the tune of more than $200,000 I think not in closing for my district one report my only goal is to to support the city of Sanford and I would love to
stand before you and speak only about our successes but I refuse to ignore our shortcomings I will continue fighting for transparency accountability and progress but but to you people that are here and to ones that are watching I
need your voices to help make it happen I cannot keep calling out your shortcomings without my fellow officials knowing that I'm not speaking just for myself but for the community I'm fully committed to going above and beyond in my role as a representative however I
find it increasingly difficult to fulfill my duties that I promis my constituents under the leadership of our current City attorney Lonnie Groot our city manager Norton bonapart and regrettably our mayor art Woodruff I
want to thank you and that concludes the district one report e