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--------- Ready? >> We're ready down this end. Okay, >> I'm going to call uh call the meeting uh to order. It's a special meeting uh about the budget. Everyone, please stand for a salute to our flag. Allegiance to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, liberty for all. >> Okay. >> A notice of publication. >> This special meeting has been advertised in accordance with the open public

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meetings act chapter 231 public law 2025. Roll call. >> Council person Blumire >> here. >> Kesi >> here. >> Novak >> here. >> Rios >> here. >> Sarski >> here. >> Zabowski here. >> Okay. Um, this is a budget workshop and

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so the head of the finance committee is Councilwoman Novak. So, it's all yours, uh, Mary. >> Okay. Um, I know that, uh, we said that, uh, that we wanted it taken down a little more from 16.4. before um about

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two weeks ago, Danielle uh emailed us saying that uh you know that they managed to with anticipated revenue get it down to below uh 15 cents. So it was almost another two cents. And I know that everybody was emailed exactly where

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that money was coming from. Um do we need to go over exactly where it's coming from? Did everybody read that email? Okay. Well, uh, to the best of my recollection, since it's I don't have it in front of me, I assumed everybody read

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it. Uh, some of it was coming from, uh, with the police department that any new hires, we didn't have to account for a full year's salary. We only had to account for half a year's salary. So, we were able to bring down salary and wages in the police department that way a little bit. And we also had other

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anticipated revenues. I think it was $50,000 from what Danielle, do you have the exact numbers in front of you? >> Yeah, we um looked at the reserve for debt service and uh we took another 100,000 in uh for this year from the reserve for debt service and

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um there was one other thing. Oh, the um delinquent taxes. We thought that we could safely anticipate another $100,000 from there as well. >> So, uh, Danielle and Glenn were able to bring it down, like I said, almost another two cents without affecting any

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services at all in the town as was suggested, you know, that we look at overtime and Fort Grumpy on Saturdays and stuff like that. They were able to bring it down. And uh, does anybody have any questions? Does anybody have any suggestions? Is anybody happy with this

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that they're willing? It is on the the agenda for tonight. And I'd kind of like to know before I make a motion if I'm even going to get a second. All right. I guess we're not going to get a second tonight either. So, I don't know what else to say,

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gentlemen. I'd say gentlemen and ladies, but is there anything else that you'd like to see? Is there any number that anybody would be willing to vote for this budget? Nice. I mean, in the

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>> seems like you're cutting a lot out of it and it seems to be working. So, I I just hope we can agree on something and and get it through. >> Well, um I was extremely happy with the 16.4 four cents because I I don't want to cut

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down services. I don't think I don't I want to pave roads. I don't want to stop having affairs and that sounds funny going on in Kennedy Park. Not never mind. Leave that alone. Uh and the

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people in this town deserve, you know, the relaxation and the fun that happens with all of the things that we do and the convenience. I don't want to see people start dumping garbage on the streets because we have closed uh matter

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of fact I was hoping that uh next year things being a little bit better we might be able to uh open Port Grumpy back to uh every single weekend to make it easier on the people. But that being said, we're worried about

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this. Um I am still Glenn, I have to ask you this. Four weeks ago, you told me you'd have the ordinance for sewer rates and sewer connection fees and water rates ready in two weeks. >> Well, we've been working on it. Uh we

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can't out we can't just to everything involves a very complicated set of mathematics and we can't just arbitrarily do well, we could but it'd be unfair. We could arbitrarily just pick a number out of our hat, but we're

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trying to forecast to the best of our abilities what our needs are going to be moving forward and the length of which that these increases should go out over. I mean, our recommendation coming back to you is probably going to be a nominal increase a year over perhaps a 5-year period,

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which the last time the council took action on water was the way it was handled. Uh, we're still not done with the calculations. I've met with Dave Samuels. I've met with Dave Lightener. It's still a work in progress. There's a lot of moving parts because the secondary part of that equation is the bulk of the we don't want to put the

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bulk of the increase onto our residential customers who although collectively use the most water individually they use the least. We do have some big industrial consumers. We have some big commercial. So we have to figure out the rates for those

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particular classes. It's just it it is a work in progress. uh whether we started on this 3 months ago or last week, uh as I've said before, we're not going to derive any appreciable amount of revenue out of that in this fiscal year. It will be set up for us moving into 2027, but

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it's not going to have the impact that you would like to have it >> be on the budget. >> Quite frankly, I know that if if everything went well, we'd only have one quarter where we'd be getting extra rates. And I understand that. I just don't want us to have if we had an

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$800,000 shortfall this year and we didn't do anything to change that. Is it going to be $800,000 next year or $900,000? That's what I'm afraid I can't say what the MCUA will or will not increase next year but before the end of this year we will have it in front of you in enough time so you can uh approve

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the increases to forestall that moving into 27 >> cuz I mean we by not doing it this year we're this has been an that was a shortfall from last year that we're trying to make up for now we're moving into this year we're already going to have a shortfall for next year and I'm I

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am very concerned about that but at this point we're looking at the way it is now excuse Can you explain? >> Anybody that connects up to the sewer, whether it be industry or private homeowner, developer, whatever, is charged a fee, a connection fee, that is

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part of, you know, fees that happen and we I don't know when's the last I don't remember raising that. I'm sure that we have, but you know, if it's just another way to start making sure that we don't have another shortfall or at least lessening it to the best of our

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abilities, but is it's a separate fee that you pay when you tie into the sewer lines. But, you know, I'm like, I'm concerned and I I don't want to be called political, but the fact of the matter is is that

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anybody that has a pilot is not having to absorb this $800,000 shortfall. They're all using probably twice as much water as the average homeowner, but they're getting away with it. Since

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they don't have taxes, they're not paying for this shortfall. And if we raise the fees, then everybody, whether they're on pilot or not, will be, you know, you know, contributing to helping pay off this. But again, this is something that we really we have to work

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on. But it's not going to affect this budget right here. It's just not gonna happen. >> It's something that we have to do or we're going to find ourselves in the same freaking position next year. But right now we're looking at this and uh I I'm really kind of proud of the fact

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that we have been able to really you know almost well no we did we cut that rate almost in half and we didn't have to uh you know um cut any services cuz one of the best towns around for

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services and you know I'm happy that we didn't have to but Anybody else have anything to say? Do you have anything Danielle that you want to add? You know, you can >> council. This is the work of the council.

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>> Well, we had given direction, the council had given direction to both Glenn and Danielle and I just wanted to know, I mean, they did look at cutting forth Grumpy and everything else and they looked at the best way how much money they would actually save with that. And do you have do you want to

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elaborate on that at all? >> I'm waiting I'm waiting for uh Hervey or Alberto to second your motion. That would be the team thing to do. >> Why motion? >> You asked for a motion.

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>> No action taken. It's going to be done. That's going to be done during the regular meeting. It's >> I understand that. >> I understand that. >> And why would it have to beve in Alberto? It could be I think it should Well, they're not on they're not both on uh finance. >> Okay. >> Well, how does Jim Robinson feel about

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this since you take most of your in >> I wouldn't know. I know you seem to think about him a lot, but I don't. >> Well, I'm pretty Jim, as you know, is not a finance guy, but he certainly has opinions on it. >> Yeah.

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Well, >> I think I can share with the council that, and Danielle, correct me if I'm wrong, we've cut to the bone. Any additional cuts will require us to scale back services and perhaps personnel. That That's where we're at.

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Every extemporaneous unnecessary expense. And we thank God the the the auditor was able to point to a couple of places where he had a little bit of fat going on, but this this is bare bones. Anything beyond this is going to affect

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services to the burrow. >> The residents and the residents are the ones that put us here and expect us to make the hard decisions. And I've said, well, I'm going to say I

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will be making the motion even though technically it shouldn't be on the agenda because it's a resolution that was not approved prior, but it's here. I will be people expect us to take a vote on it and I will be making the motion to

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approve the amendment. We have some time if anybody wants to go to the bathroom or something. I should have made this at 6:30. I knew this was the way it was going to go. Kennedy, do you have any ideas? >> Oh, I'm sorry. I said Kennedy, do you

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have any ideas? >> Mary, I'm I'm waiting for the finance committee and and the finance chair to bring >> I did bring forth the budget. >> I did. >> Good. Apparently, you're not being supported.

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>> Yep. I mean, it what everybody approved a se a 25 cent increase except for Irvy, you know, but nobody's willing to accept a 4% increase. I don't understand. Nobody wants to reduce it.

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This is an election year every year. I have water. >> Yeah, she's a couple. >> Yeah, take a couple. I have a quick question. Um, while we discussed this and we think about the possibilities if we want to

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decrease uh this increase uh and we talked about the possibilities of actually letting people go, which I don't think any of anybody here wants. Um, are there any

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new positions on the that are yet to be approved and they're on the way to be approved because that will be the first >> the only thing I mean we we're doing uh

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four hires out of the police department. >> Okay. Police. Yeah. I don't want to touching though, >> correct? And uh we've got on the agenda or we'll have on the next agenda a one for one replacement and police dispatch. We had one resign. They've identified a

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candidate uh that we'll have to get in front of you for the next meeting. >> Yes. So that's but there's no new management positions being created or being talked about being created. >> Yeah. There there there is a compliance position that we'd like to add, but it's

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going to depend on if and when the budget gets advised. And then we've got to overcome this stumbling block with the management specialist pay scale that we've not seem to satisfy the council with yet. But other than that, no. >> Thank you.

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I mean, so there's nowhere else to cut. Sounds like it. >> Well, you just made you just cut it last. What's the change so far? >> Okay. It went from 164 down to 147. So, it's almost 2 cents

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again. But it's from the original 25. Well, 25 points. >> Look, I'm not looking at the original. Just the last cut. >> The last cut is almost two cents. >> So, what makes you think you can't do better than that last cut? Because you just did better. So, what makes you

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think that you can't do any more than that? You went back, you found more. >> Again, I'm I'm relying on my professionals that are saying the next thing will be layoffs to cut this anymore. >> I mean, you can cut, but now it's going to be positions and programs. every

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trick in the book that could be brought to this budget document with regards to reserves for certain things or anticipated revenues has been reviewed by the auditor. That's as low as the auditor is is comfortable with doing. So that's you know that that's the keeping

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the lights on money that we absolutely have to have to operate. So having cut that as far as we have now if you want to cut further you have to look at other things. And you know we did look at capital but you have to remember

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that capital has a very different effect on the budget than operations and expenses do. For every million we spend in capital that we borrow to buy things that we need, we only put down $50,000. So, in order to get any kind of a

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savings out of your budget number, I mean, you would have to cut um all capital. I mean, I I >> I think it's I think we have about $650,000 in the operating budget for capital. >> Uh we have $650,000 for down payments. >> Yeah, that's what I meant. That's all

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that's in the operating budget that concerns capital. So, we and some of those things were absolutely mandated to do. You know, the state has regulations that we're we're doing projects on that we can't change and Okay.

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I mean, again, we could >> So, Daniel, what what do we have budgeted for road resurfacing about >> 3.2? >> Uh, I want to say $3 million. If we were to take road paving out for this year, that would derive you a

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savings of $150,000, which would only move this number by 0.25. >> Not even a cent. >> Yeah. Not even a half a cent. >> Which would bring us down to just a little bit below 13. It would be 139.

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And and not to mention the fact that if you delay your capital expenses, you're only kicking the can down the road because six months from now, those things that we needed this year plus the things that they're anticipating for next year is going to it's going to double up your capital or at least significantly increase your capital for next year.

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>> The only thing I'm feeling a little better about is I was petrified of this budget because I would thought we were already going to have a shortfall from fuel, but it looks like that's coming down a little bit. So maybe, you know, I don't have to say 12 rosaries a day to

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prevent that from happening. Kind of like I do with snow. Now we we we said at the last meeting that nobody here wanted any layoffs. So, we've been told by the professionals

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that's basically where we're at. And when we do lay off people, services will be cut. >> Yeah. Just so you're all aware, I if the decision is to shrink the workforce, the first place that gets laid off is all

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temporary help, which means summer camp. All of the counselors would be dismissed and there would be no summer camp. and we have 300 families relying on that for child care during the summer. All of the seasonal workers for DPW clerical that

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we usually rely on to cover for vacations would also be cut first before then then it would go to part-time employees and then last in first out and then there is a process involved in that we'd have to engage in. >> I think I know the answer to this but

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I'm going to ask it anyway. Um, the police department is separate from that, right? I mean, would it be the last police officer we hired if he was if that was the last person hired is what I'm asking. I don't know >> that. I'm not entirely sure about I'd

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have to get the personnel people to get me more detail on that. So I I don't know specifically how that would go but I do know specifically that temporary and seasonals would be the first to be cut >> which again would basically cut down on services.

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>> Yeah. You would lose the summer camp. >> Yeah. It's not just that. I mean we like you said people are on vacation and right when there's a lot more work to be done around town that's is when we are even if we're just put filling potholes we don't do that in the in the winter.

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and uh you know uh cutting the grass. You know, I know we have a service, but we still do certain areas of town ourselves and the road department handles roadways and we use a lot of these seasonal people to do these things that are only needed during the warmer

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months. So, that will just have to go on the back burner. 25.2 I believe something. >> Oh, you voted no. >> No, no, no. I'm just saying. >> 14.7

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Oh, a lot better. It's almost cut in half from the original introduction. >> 14.7 Anybody that's watching this must be very bored. I'm sorry for laughing, but

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as as Kennedy said, this uh situation showed up back in 2012. We we still kept voting on the budget even though it was tied for quite a number of months, but people still voted. They didn't just sit here and

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wait for the clock to move. I'm going to uh make the motion. We'll see what happens. And if it doesn't pass, then I will have to say to Danielle and Glenn, you're going to have to start looking at layoffs because you're saying there's nothing else to

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cut. No. So, have to start looking at personnel. I'd like to say all the residents, I'm sorry about this. You could always take the convention off the budget. I'm just throwing stuff out there. See

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what sticks on. That would save us maybe $10. Who's that? magic number that they're going to be willing to at least second this on. Do we have to open this to the public?

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Okay. Maybe that there's nobody here, but if we get through that. Yeah. Is there any more discussion? >> That's what I said. I think if we open it to the public and then we can close it and then we can adjourn. >> Yeah.

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>> Because it's I'm not going to sit here for the next half hour not saying anything. Well, I mean, literally being recorded sitting here. There's obviously not going to be any more discussion. Uh I suggested that we open it to the public so we can close

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the public portion and we can adjourn so we don't look silly sitting here. Um the one thing that I So if this doesn't if this doesn't pass today, we have to meet before our next council meeting because we won't meet on for a

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month. But we have to have >> we both July and August are only one meeting. But if if we do wind up doing that, can we start it at 6:30 so we don't less time to just sit here? Alber, we always have the ability to

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call a special meeting for the budget. >> That's what I meant. So, we definitely if if it doesn't pass, >> see what Jim says. >> I don't talk to Jim and I appreciate if you don't when you talk to me. Don't >> That's a good story. >> I don't talk to him.

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>> That's a good story. Anybody? No, but I'm saying that Jesus. It's 6:45. I'm going to open the public portion uh which is in about four minutes or so.

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So, uh I would then we'll just follow through down the rest of the agenda. I would make a recommendation that the finance committee, which is Mayor Councilwoman Novak as the chairperson,

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Alberto Rios and John Zabrowski, um my understanding is is on this budget they've met as a committee two to three times. I would advise that they they they meet before meeting with the

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council to come up uh to determine if if in fact there is something more that can be done with the budget. Uh Is that going for another bench here for the budget meeting?

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sit in the community and his response by this. Oh no, we don't have a secret that was the

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south took right back. Okay. No. 642. Okay. >> Okay. Okay. He's going for his uh he's going

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for his uh bench. Okay. All right. So it's now 6:45. Uh for the general public, the budget by law is the domain of the governing body and it re for the budget to pass uh it

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requires four affirmative votes from council members. Um is there anything to be said before I open this to the public? There being nothing to be said, I'll make a motion to open this to the

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public. >> All right. So, this budget hearing is now open to the public. Are there any com is there anyone who would like to make a comment on the budget? There being no one, I will entertain a motion to close the public portion.

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Is there a second? Is there Is there Roll call. >> All in favor? >> All in favor? >> I >> opposed. Take a motion to adjourn. >> Mayor, before that, I'd like to take this opportunity. I I know we

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>> Is your Is your speaker on, Mary? >> I'm sorry. Thank you. >> Um, take this opportunity. How about we set up a date right now because, you know, I it took until March 24th to get the committee to meet.

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So, and we met one time more since then. That's why I went to uh workshops so the entire council could sit here because we do need four votes. Three don't count. Uh so, >> it's just for the council or is this for your committee?

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>> Just I think we should have a you know workshop every meeting until we can get this passed because again I can have committee meetings till I'm blue in the face and uh it takes four votes to get it passed. So, three people just don't do it. >> What does your committee say?

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>> My committee says nothing. The first meeting they had a run they had to go to a Sarah meeting and the second time I'm the only one that talks at committee meetings. I just can we can we set a date now for

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a committee meeting >> or or another workshop. >> Which one? >> I think the best way is another workshop. you know, maybe in between the two meetings. >> I would recommend you first have have some committee meetings till you come to a consensus

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um that you can bring if if you can't bring change to the council um then you can't bring change to the council. But I would I would recommend that you have your your due diligence committee meetings to go over the budget. Is there

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any objection from the committee? >> No, I have no problem. I just that I'm not >> I'm asking your committee members. >> John, >> I'd be happy to either uh meet as a committee or or as a workshop. Either one.

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>> I need it's not enough to just meet. I need some input. >> We just can't stand there and >> we dealt with this with the committee which is three members. >> U might make you might get some place. I think the committee has met uh a couple

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times and we have reached whatever we can do. So that's why I I think it be better if we have to meet for for another time for the council to meet not just the committee >> because we all like Mary says we need

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four votes. There's only three in the committee. So >> Well, you don't have three. >> Exactly. Well, even worse, >> you don't have three. So, first have the three and then go for the four. >> I don't I don't believe that's going to

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be able to be accomplished. But at any event, let's set up a date right now because the first one I I couldn't get the committee together until March. >> It was not good planning to to uh hold the meeting when there's an obvious com.

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>> That was the only date that everybody could meet. I could have just not had the meeting at all. I I find that unusual. >> I don't. >> That being said, >> I can't even get people to email you're proposing, Mary.

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>> I'm available all the time, Kennedy. I make myself available. >> Mary, you're the chairperson. That's right. With with the as the chairperson >> and I try to and I say whatever time everybody else can meet, I will make myself. Anybody have have that kind of latitude in in their scheduling that

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they can meet anytime, any place, anywhere, anytime? >> Well, probably not. >> Apparently not. >> So, I will instruct them. >> If we're looking for a date for a committee, we can figure it out. Well, Mary, John, and I, we can figure out the

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date. But if we're looking for a date for the council, then we can we have to set up that date today. >> Set it up before the next meeting. >> Okay. Why don't we set it up now before the next meeting so we all know what to >> I would like the committee to meet. >> We will.

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>> I think I I think I think it's it's it's fair and appropriate for the committee to meet. >> Kennedy, we need to set a date. I mean, just to >> No, no, we'll meet. We'll we'll have the budget meeting pre uh before the next council meeting. >> When?

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>> Before the next council meeting at 6:00 like this. >> So, we're going to wait a month. I think we should have a meeting in between. >> That's why I recommended that you uh have a committee meeting to make progress so that then there's something to talk about. Frankly,

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>> the committee made progress. >> We took it from 25 to 14. We made progress. >> No, Glenn and Danielle made progress. All right. >> On our on our >> what we recommended. >> Yeah, obviously. Mayor, do do you want

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to step down from your role as chairperson? Would that make life easier for you? >> I mean, apparently, >> I volunteered for this because nobody wanted it. >> Okay.

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All right. So, uh unless I assume the committee will will uh uh hopefully the committee will meet before the next uh council meeting, which is in a month's time. Uh, I will schedule I will schedule a a budget

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meeting at the next council meeting at 6:00. >> What I would like I would like a workshop I'll I'll get the committee to if I can I will meet with whoever I can. If it's not three, it's not three. I cannot >> you know I cannot force anybody. But I think that in two weeks time we should

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have a workshop to directly >> I think the committee should have the workshop be because we're all here and and absolutely zero has been accomplished. I would like >> that's not true. It started at 50. This was introduced Kennedy. Everybody was

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per This was introduced by this council at 25.2 cents and nobody has since we lowered it. Nobody will vote for it. >> So everybody was happy at 252. >> I would recommend you have a committee meeting. >> That's fine. I'll have a committee

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meeting this week and in two weeks time I want to have a >> and I will call another meeting. So >> in between I don't want to wait to a month. >> I get it. But but you need to have your >> I'll do it this week first. Please work it with your committee. >> Wednesday.

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>> Wednesday. Everybody available Wednesday. Thursday is the second choice. >> 6 o'clock here for a committee meeting. >> That's Alberto and John. >> Yeah. I'd rather Thursday. >> Thursday. That's great. >> My birthday. So >> Thursday's your birthday? >> Yeah.

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>> Oh, you want it on Thursday? >> Oh, I mean Wednesday. I'm going to Kennedy Park. So, >> okay. Oh, that's true. >> Which day? >> He just said Wednesday is Kennedy Parks. committee will meet Thursday at 5:30

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>> and they do uh have something to offer. We can call a special meeting. >> We can call a special meeting. The the clerk needs I think 48 hours to advertise it. >> All right. Okay.

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Can I just say one thing? Glenn, are you available on Thursday? And Danielle, are you available on Thursday? >> Have to be. I know you do, but >> Okay. Thank you very much. >> Um, okay. That being said, I'll entertain a motion uh uh to to close to

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adjourn. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Roll call. >> All in favor? >> Opposed? Okay. Thank you. We'll have a

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Good evening. >> Good evening everyone. I'm going to call this meeting to order. Would everyone please stand for a short prayer and a salute to our flag? Almighty God, grant us the wisdom to make those decisions that are in the

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best interest of all our residents. May the heavenly father of us all bless those who have given the ultimate sacrifice in service to our nation and may he watch over and protect our service men and women now guarding the

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gates of freedom. Salute to the flag. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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>> Uh Jessica, statement of publication. Take notice that this regular agenda meeting of the mayor and burough council being held on this 15th day of June 2026 has been posted and advertised in accordance with the open public meetings act chapter 231 public law 1975. >> Roll call. >> Council persons Blumare >> here.

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>> Kesi >> here. >> Novak >> here. Rios >> here. >> Sarski >> here. >> Zabowski >> here. >> Okay. Appro uh council president approval of the prior minutes. >> Mayor move the following minutes of the mayor and council be approved on roll call vote. They are the May 26 20 May

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26, 2026 special meeting May 26, 2026 regular agenda session and executive session. Uh subject to corrections if necessary. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Council person Zabrski. >> Yes. >> Blair, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Noac. >> Yes.

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>> Rios, >> yes. >> Sarski, >> yes. At this time, we have the pleasure to recognize two heroins in the burrow of Saraveville. So at this time would Jennifer Dusco and and Janie Serella

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please come forward. John Council, if you if if you'd go up to the railing also, please. Thank you, mayor. >> Hey, good evening everyone. Uh, this is the really fun part of our portion of

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our meeting and I'm glad there's so many people here uh to be able to uh take advantage of this proclamation for two wonderful uh employees of the Burough of Saravel. you know, um we many times will feed our first

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responders because they they study, they work, and they plan to be either to go into the line of fire or to go into the fire itself. But our burough employees don't do that. They sign up to be able to provide great assistance to uh to the

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residents of Saraveville, in this particular case, to those that participate in our active adult center. But every once in a while, you're put in a position where at a moment's notice, you have to act. And it'd be very easy to have just sat down and said, "I don't

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know," or, "I can't," or, "I won't," or, "I'm not able to." But both Jeannie Cerillo and Jen Duskco did not do that. They acted with a moment's notice because they saw one of our residents was having a medical emergency. And because of that, that medical emergency

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was much diminished. And that person is doing well. So ladies, for your calmness, for your comfort that you provided, for your medical assistance that you provided, and at the end of the day, just simply for the courage and compassion that you provided to that

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person, you just make us all much better. So on behalf of the Burrow of Sarable, I present both of you a proclamation. The proclamation says, "The Burough of Sarable wishes to recognize your commitment to duty and your heroic efforts in assisting a resident in

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distress. Your efforts have enriched us generously because a community possesses no greater treasure than the dedicated service of its people. Ladies, we are indebted and thank you so much for all that you did."

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>> Come over here, please. If anybody would like to take pictures, there's got to be someone that would like to come up and take some pictures for Jeie and Jen. >> Thank you. >> Hey, Jen. Jen, would you come up and and

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everyone now knows their heroins, but you have you have the story. So, would >> who has the story? >> Well, let's have them >> who has the story. >> They have the story. They're they're humble people. >> That's why they're heroins.

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>> Well, thank you. We don't feel like we're heroins, honestly, because we work at the senior center and whatever the senior's needs are is exactly what we try to do. So, for us, it was there's never any ordinary day at the senior center. um very interesting days most of

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the time, but um this woman who's standing up happened to be um you know it was her friend that was in distress came to the office. Um Jen actually attended to her hands-on and she was the

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one that was really more in direct contact with her. I just simply called 911 and we were able to get an ambulance there. So for us, it just comes from the our heart to just help our seniors in any way that we can. So um if anybody

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ever needs any help, come to the senior center and we'd be happy to help you. >> Anybody else? >> Genie and Jennifer. Um, my legs are giving me trouble and I would be tilting and tottering and so I asked the council president to go up

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tonight. It It's just the recovery from the back surgery. Some days it's good, some days it's not. So, but I am very very proud of you. You are you are wonderful people. Yes, I did uh I did also want to make a

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note. Um, we lost a very, very fine man this week. His name was Mickey Evers. And I knew Mickey from the Knights of Columbus. He was a past Grand Knight. Uh, played golf

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with Mickey. Uh, he was he was just an allaround good guy. Uh, a faithful husband. Uh, devoted father. Uh, and his wife passed away in January and I believe he's gone to to join her. She

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probably has a place set up and she wants him to pick out the paint or something. But they were in love their whole their whole married life. So, if you would join me in a moment of silence for Mickey Evers, resident of Sarable.

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Thank you. Uh at this time we're going to go into executive session. Go ahead council. >> Whereas section 8 of the open public public meetings act chapter 231 public law 1975 permits the exclusion of the public from a meeting in certain circumstances. And whereas this public

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body is of the opinion that such circumstances presently exist. Now therefore it be resolved by the mayor and bureau council of the bureau of servo county and middle sex state of New Jersey as follows. The public portion of this meeting is hereby adjourned in order that the governing body may meet in close private session for approximately 10 to 15 minutes to

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discuss the following matters. Attorney client privilege litigation board of education. Following the conclusion of said closed session, the governing body shall reconvene the open portion of this public meeting to consider any other matters which may be properly brought before at this time. The nature and content of the discussion which occurs

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in close session shall be made public at such time as the need for non-disclosure no longer exists. This resolution shall take effect immediately. There a motion. >> Make a motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> No. Roll call.

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>> Council person Zabrouski. >> Yes. >> Kesi. >> Yes. >> Novak. >> Yes. >> Rios. >> Yes. >> Yes. Motion to go back into open. >> Move. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> No. >> Sorry. Roll call. >> Novak. >> Yes.

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>> Yes. >> Police. >> Yes. >> Rios. Yes. >> Zarski. >> Yes. >> Zabowski. >> Yes. >> Okay. You want to pull? >> Um, just >> just like to make an announcement that

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the 2026 municipal budget amendment and adoption has been pulled from the agenda. >> Okay. New business. >> Introduction of the following ordinances. Ordinance number 14-26, ordinance amending the burrow's training requirements for new fire department recruits.

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>> Councilman Blammore, >> move the ordinance be approved on first reading advertised according to law and a public hearing to be held on July 20th. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Council persons Blumare. >> Yes. >> Kissi,

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>> yes. >> Novak, >> yes. >> Rios, >> yes. >> Narski, >> yes. >> Yes. Ordinance number 15-26, ordinance establishing an 18-month moratorum on the development of data centers throughout the burough of Sarville. >> Councilman, Council President Zrowski.

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>> Thank you, Mayor. Uh, and just before I do introduce the ordinance, just some um administrative uh notation to this and that is ordinarily when you introduce an ordinance there is no public participation on that introduction. It's the public participation is at the

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second meeting when there's approval. I see that there's a lot of folks here this evening and I assume that most of that has to do with this ordinance. So, mayor, I'm going to ask that if we can have some public portion for discussion. So, that will be there. >> Well, hold it, but it'll be during the

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public portion. >> The second thing I want to talk about is the construction of the ordinance because some people may have some confusion as to why it's constructed the way it is. Uh and number one, the ordinance is meant to be meant to be a

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total ban for a period of 18 months. 90% of several at this point and I'm just using 90% but with the exception of the properties that are in this ordinance there is no there is no use for a data center. It does not exist. So in fact it

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is prohibited. We are prohibiting if we're a limited area at this point because that's the area where it is either permitted or conditional use. And you say, well, okay, why why a moratorum or a pause rather than a ban? The reason for that is because it was in fact a use

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and or a conditional use. And property owners have rights and just as much as a resident does. So to have a moratorum or to have a pause allows the burrow to be able to construct an argument, a good strong argument whether it's a good thing or a bad thing to be able to rely

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on professionals who rely on others to be able to gather that information. Who's going to gather the information? It's going to be up to us, the mayor and council, and with help from you folks and the information you're going to provide. But I will tell you that Sarah has already began to had that discussion. I think so. There's been

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some public knowledge of that. Now, the reason for that is is well, that's what Sarah does. It looks at opportunities and it discusses with property owners to work and collaborate. that doesn't mean that anything is coming uh up in the future or that anything is presently

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available for that. But that is part of Sarah's job and I the expectation was that they or have we as commissioners have already begun to gather some information and we'll continue to do so. We've looked out for an energy consult to be able to get more information and the next uh meeting at Sarah we're going

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to have someone from the Sierra Club to come in and provide additional information as well. So a lot of work is going to get done. So I just want to kind of clarify the reason for the ordinance. So I it doesn't put any fear into our residents that something is impending and also to for you to

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understand why we're doing it to do it in such a way and a bipartisan way and we all have different reasonings for the process. But at the end of the day I believe it's a bipartisan reason for doing what we're doing tonight. So just some just a little added information

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before you do come up. So because I know that there is a lot of concern and I just want to be able to bring it forward as to why the mayor and council is doing it in this fashion. So mayor with that I move the ordinance to be approved on first reading advertised according to law and a public hearing to be held on

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July 20th 2026. >> U is there a second? >> Second. >> Uh before I move forward I have a question for the attorney. Um, if I wanted to put a an amendment um in,

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would that could that be done tonight if it's accepted? >> Yes. If if it's a material amendment or addition, revision, whatever it may be, you have to do it at introduction or then it has to thereafter be reintroduced at the following meeting. Only non-material, you know, uh,

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ministerial typo technically can be changed between introduction and maybe final adoption. So if you wanted to make or propose an amendment, you'd have to do it now at the time. >> Okay. Uh in that case, I'd like to >> There's a motion and a second out there

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already. >> I >> Right. But before we before we vote on it, there's a maybe a motion to amend that ordinance before adoption. So that's all right. >> Uh I'd like to remove the part where it says uh for period of 18 months

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commencing as of the date of adoption and of of ordinance 1526 to be replaced by with uh data centers shall be shall be prohibited from being developed in all zones throughout the bar including

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redevelopment zones. >> Is there a second? Second >> roll call on the on the amendment. >> Council persons Bair. >> Yes. >> Khesi.

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>> So what is that meaning that there's no 18month uh coming back to >> permanent ban on data centers in the borrow? a permanent. But um would that leave it open for uh would that leave it?

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>> Closes the door on data centers, Mike. >> Okay. So um no for now >> go back. >> Uh yes for the amendment. And I just like to say an 18-month ban in 18 months without any notice to the public, it

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would just dissolve. You wouldn't even have to bring it back up to the public. By making it a permanent ban, in a couple of years, if technology has improved, we can bring it back to the public and vote on it in public. An 18month ban just the uh people don't

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even have to be notified. It's just gone. So, that's that's what I was going to get at with the uh if there's going to be uh potential lawsuits for that. >> Okay, we're doing a roll call. >> All right, >> Rios. >> Yes,

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>> Dinarkski. >> I'm still learning a lot about the data centers. I am continually upgrading my knowledge about them. There's a lot for me to know yet, and a lot for me to learn as far as the power, as far as the water consumption, everything else. I feel the 18 months is more than fine and

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my my vote is a no. >> Zabowski, >> I'm going to vote no. And the reason I vote no is because permanent van without having any study in any real look into this could put us in a position where we could be into uh litigation. And the end

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of the line here is I do not want a judge deciding whether this is good or bad. I want that decision to be made by the burrow itself and its residents. So my vote is no. Mayor, that's a three three tie. >> Okay, I'll vote no. >> Cool.

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>> So, now the vote for the uh first public hearing. >> Yes. Yeah. So, now we go back to the motion second. So, we go to the roll call on on the on the adoption of the ordinance as without amendment. >> Okay. >> Council person Zabowski. >> Yes. >> Blumeare. >> No.

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>> Khesi. on the >> this is the way >> of the ordinance has drafted without amendment. >> Yes, >> Novak. I'm going to vote yes only because 18 months is better than nothing, but I really am in favor of a

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permanent ban. Um, back in 2025, Sarah said that that was their preferred development of that property. So, but in the state of New Jersey, as soon as somebody puts in an application, it's too late. So, I want the 18 months to go

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into effect. And hopefully in the next month, because it's going to take to make this permanent, uh, you know, somebody doesn't put in an application, but I'm really I'm in favor of a permanent ban. That's the only way that we actually can bring it back to the public to ask for their permission to

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change it. With 18 months, it just disappears. Rios. So, uh, before I vote and I guess the I had a question for the attorney, um, but I think he answer it, uh, which is we

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can make amendments to this ordinance, uh, now and I'd like to, uh, to propose an amendment >> vote >> to extend the moratorum from 18 to 24 months specifically to give adequate

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time to review the issue for the next major in council. So from 18 to 24 is my proposal amendment. >> At this point it's we we'd have we have to finish the vote because the prior motion was made before vote started. Um

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so now we're in the middle of a vote on the current ordinance after after we finish this vote. You can make a motion to reintroduce as with that amendment at that point. >> Would that bring bring us back to re or >> it'll be you're going to make a motion this introduction. What will happen is

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we'll finish the vote. If it passes, this mo motion, this ordinance will be introduced. Then what you can do is make a motion to reintroduce with an amendment, which is the amendment uh I understand increasing from 18 to 24. Correct. >> And then we'd have a vote a vote on the

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amended as amended. >> So we'd have a >> because we we then we'd have another vote across because procedurally we now we have to finish this vote. Okay. >> And then we can make a motion to reintroduce as amended. that passed, then it's the the version that's been introduced will be the 24 version. If it

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doesn't pass, then the version with the 18 months will stand if it does pass. Does that does that make sense? I know it's a little >> So, I wouldn't I would We wouldn't be losing time. >> No, no, we'll do it tonight. We could do it tonight. >> So, I am for a complete ban, but like

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Mary said, 18 is better than nothing. So, yes. >> Yes. Okay. >> Okay. You want to make your introduction? I'd >> like to make a motion for an amendment

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on the ordinance 1526 to uh extend it from 18 months to 24 months. So that will give us adequate time to review for the next mayor and council. >> And and just to clarify, it's a it's a

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motion to reintroduce with that amendment just to for clarification. Yep. Okay. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Council persons Rios. >> Yes. >> Blair. Um I don't understand the uh

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the time limit uh because as somebody is in the field I don't see what's going to happen magically happen in two years um with CPUs GPUs that's going to um

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that's going to bring down the need for all the electric electricity usage and the cooling usage because we're all talking about symptoms now. Okay, it's going to make noise. It's going to do it's going to But the problem is the

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CPUs and GPUs are not being made any cooler. Basically, they will need more as we go along. So, nothing's going to change in 18 or 24 months. So, with that, I say no. >> Khesi.

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I don't see much of a difference, but I'd like to keep it the same. So, no. >> Novak. Uh, yes. >> I'm a no. I like the original 18 months. >> Zerowski.

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>> No. >> So, procedurally, just so everyone's aware, the ordinance is introduced. That's the original um as originally drafted and presented at the 18 month. >> Okay. Uh next item. >> Ordinance number 16-26. Ordinance

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amending the bureau's rules and regulations for burrows, parks, and recreational areas. >> Councilman Kesy, >> I move the ordinance be approved on first reading advertised according to law and a public hearing to be held on

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July 20th. >> Second. There second. >> Second. >> Council persons Khesi, >> yes. >> Lumare, >> yes. >> Novak, >> yes. >> Rios, >> yes. >> Narski, >> yes. >> Zowski, >> yes. >> Okay, at this time, I'm going to open up

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the public portion for questions or comments on the uh resolutions. Uh, are there any questions or comments on the resolutions? There being no questions or comments, I'll entertain a motion to close the public portion. So moved.

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>> Is there a second? >> Second. >> This is only on resolutions, not on general public comment. This is qu if you have any questions or comments on the resolutions that are listed on the agenda. >> It starts on the first page and continues on the second.

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>> Not on the ordinance. This is only on the this port public portion is only on the resolutions at this point. >> It starts on page one. All of page two and the top of page three. Those are the consent agenda resolutions. Do you want to do a motion in one for closing the public and adopting?

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>> Yeah. Okay. >> I move the following minutes of the mayor and council be I'm sorry. Apologize. I move the public hearing be closed and the consent agenda resolutions be approved on roll call vote. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Council person Zabowski. >> Yes. >> Lumare. >> Yes. >> Kissesi.

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>> Yes. >> Novak. >> Yes. Rios. >> Yes. >> Yes. A motion to accept the correspondence that's listed. >> A motion, council president. >> Make a motion that it be accepted. >> Is there a second? >> Second.

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>> Second. >> Roll call. >> Council person Zabrowski. Blumare. >> Yes. >> Police. >> Yes. >> Go back. >> Yes. >> Rios. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. At this time, uh, we're going to do mayor and council reports. And this week, I'm going to start with

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recreation. Councilman Klesi. Thank you, mayor. Uh, recreation first. We uh recreation invites everyone to join for our America 250 celebration on Friday

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uh June 27th beginning at 400 p.m. Continuing through the fireworks display at approximately 9:15. This familyfriendly event promises an afternoon and evening filled with community spirit, entertainment, and

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celebration. Free activities will include carnival style games, inflatables, bungee, trampoline, face painting. Musical entertainment will be provided by Big Hicks, High Energy Country Cover Band. Um

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the evening will conclude with spectacular fireworks display accompanied by a live performance from Garden State Symphonic Band, creating a memorable uh finale for the special celebration. In addition, the rec

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department is proud to participate in the world's largest swim lesson on June 25th in partnership with the Aquatics and Fitness Center. This worldwide initiative promotes water safety awareness and swimming education.

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While some sessions have already reached weightless status, interested participants are encouraged to register as additional capacity is being explored. For those looking to stay active uh this summer, several sports

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camps still have openings, including playground games, basketball, volleyball, soccer, lacrosse, field hockey, softball, and flag football. Residents are encouraged to visit the recreation website for schedules and

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registration information to secure their spots. Finally, registration remains open for our summer tennis and pickle ball clinics. These programs provide excellent opportunities for beginners to learn a new sport and experienced

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players to continue developing their skills throughout the summer. We encourage residents to take advantage of these programs and look forward to seeing everyone this summer. The Human Relations Commission has a

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Pride Month event on Tuesday, June 23rd at 6 PM at the Mickey Sedle Recreation Building. Uh join them for a night of community comprehension and connection. We have two guest speakers and food,

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fun, and prizes. On August 31st, excuse me, the commission is partnering with the Rotary Club and the Elks Drug Awareness Program to host an event for International Overdose Awareness Day,

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remembering those lives lost due to overdose will share their grief and continuing the fight against drug abuse. And finally, the Human Relations Commission was fortunate to have two high school

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students working with them this year and honored to present them with scholarships as they move on to Ruckers University. So, congratulations to Tanishka and um Ashani um Manderar. They

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were wonderful. They were a wonderful con uh addition to the commission for cultural arts. I'd like to highlight the tremendous success of our recent Michael Jackson concert. We uh we were thrilled by the outstanding attendance

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and enthusiastic response from the community. So residents of all ages came together to enjoy an evening of music, entertainment, and community spirit. The event showcased the value of bringing highquality cultural programming to our

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burrow and demonstrated the strong support our residents have for these familyfriendly events. I'd like to extend my sincere thanks to our cultural arts council members, burough staff, volunteers, performers, and everyone who

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helped make the concert such a memorable success. Their hard work and dedication continues to enhance the quality of life for our residents. We are now looking forward to our next exciting event. That's the Bon Joy tribute concert. It

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will take place this Wednesday, June 17th. So, we encourage all residents to join us for what promises to be another outstanding evening of live music and entertainment. Based on the enthusiasm and attendance

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we experience at the last concert, we are anticipating another great turnout and a wonderful community gathering. The Cultural Arts Council remains committed to providing diverse and engaging programs that bring our community

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together. celebrating the art and creating mmorialable experiences for residences and visitors alike. The Sarahville Public Library has once again partnered with recreation

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department to present a new story walk at Kennedy Park along the perimeter of the playground. Residents are encouraged to visit all 18 stations and enjoy that story. Upon completion, participants can stop by the library and share the secret

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word they have uh unscrambled to a librarian to receive a special prize. And lastly, the office of aging, the active adult center has several upcoming programs for our senior residences.

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um June 20th uh June 22nd there's going to be uh free health screenings. Uh so pre-registration is required for those wishing to par participate. So you can see uh the girls we presented the uh

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proclamation with today at the window. Uh July 1st is Mayor O'Brien's uh breakfast for uh seniors that were born between January and August. On July 2nd, the

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center will hold its annual Independence Day celebration featuring music and a nice lunch. On July 8th, the licensed clinical social worker uh Patrice uh Swarbrick will present an emotional

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wellness tools seminar focusing on mental health, stress management, and healthy coping strategies. On July 16th, the cent's monthly bus trip will travel to the Peer Village in Long Branch. And then finally on July

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17th, a cyber security awareness seminar will be offered for the residents uh interested in learning how to better protect themselves online. So we encourage residences residents to contact the active adult center for

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additional information and registration details for these programs. That's all I have for this evening. >> Thank you. Councilman uh water, sewer, environmental, Councilman Sinarski. Thank you, mayor. Uh, I have a few things on environmental. Uh, June 6th,

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we had a big cleanup at the South Amboy Saveville waterfront where the park is. Just want to tell everybody that's a beautiful park. That's a county park, but everybody from Saraveville, South Amboy, you're more than welcome to go there and spend a great day. They got a nice pavilion. They got beaches. You go

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fishing off the beach. You got walk around for exercise, baseball fields. There's a lot of activities there with a lot of people don't really go to. Um participants included the Sacred Heart Youth Ministry, the Stallions Track Team, Boy Scouts Troop 967 and 777, the

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Rotary Club, American Legion Post 68, a lot of council members from Saveville, South Amboy, the mayor from South Amboy was there. They all participated in the cleanup. Uh they cleaned up a lot. that despite the heat, volunteers gave up part of their Saturday morning to help clean a beautiful beautify the

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waterfront. It was great to have so many people come together and and serve this event. Uh the strong turnout and positive spirit throughout the morning reflected the pride that residents have in the waterfront and their parks and everything in Saveville and South Amboy. Um the next one I have is on the

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Saveville Community Garden. The community garden, if anybody takes a ride over there, it's right across from St. ST stands. We'll just walk in and if there's anybody there, you're more than welcome to go inside and see what the different people are growing. Uh if the lock is if it's locked, then just walk around the outside. It's a fenced in

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area, but you can look through the fence. You can see all the different products that people are growing there. You got a lot of nice things growing from tomatoes to corn to cabbage. Everything is growing right now. So, stick a ride over there. As far as the water and sewer, uh, nothing major as

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far as anything happening the water and sewer, but I did check with the water and sewer superintendent for data center water. We do not have enough water to put a data center in Savel, but we have other ways to feed it. So, the the

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portable water usage, we don't have that opportunity for that without major construction in town. But there is ways to cool anything that's needed for other routes that we can get the water. So, I just wanted to mention that the water is up to 168 million we produced. That's

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almost 20% higher than it was 2 months ago because everybody's using their sprinklers now. They're washing their cars and so we're using a lot more water than we normally do. Um, then my last one,

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we had Flag Day, Sunday, June 14th. I was proud enough to go to the Saveville St. ST stands nights of Columbus, run a beautiful service there. We had some council members there. It was a great day. We do not have enough people coming out and supporting the one of the most

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important things in Sarville. We had the next one. We had it at Sunday at the American Legion at MacArthur Avenue. There was maybe 50 people out of 46 47,000 people. We get 50 people to come to a flag service. They collect the

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flags in the mailboxes all year. They storm. We had the firemen there. We have all kind of people >> wind >> to to to listen to the stories from the veterans and and it's so important to me. My father lost his kidney in Korea for this country. I need this. and we

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can't get the people that come out from supply support these events. We got to put our priorities first. Our priorities are not in the right spot. That concludes my support uh my my report, Mayor. Thank you. >> Thank you, Councilman Administration and

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Finance. Councilwoman Novak. >> Yes. Um I'd just like to say just like everybody else, we had a couple of big increases that are out of our control. One of them was healthcare. Everybody knows that healthcare went up a

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astronomically and there's very little we can do about that. The other one was we had an $800,000 shortage in our sewer uh fees. Sewer fees are usually paid for with your sew sewer and water bill. In this particular

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case, we weren't collecting enough money. Rates went up, usages went up. So, we wound up with an $800,000 shortfall. In future years, hopefully we will get an ordinance together that increases this because right now

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making up the shortfall in taxes is hurting the homeowners more than anybody else. A lot of the water we use doesn't even go into the sewers, sanitary sewers. We wash cars, we fill pools, we water our lawns. Whereas businesses and

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industries, 100% of their water is going into the sanitary sewers. Industries with pilots won't even have to make up this 100,000 $800,000 shortfall. The average homeowner is going to have to do it. We will be

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taking steps before the end of the year to make sure that this doesn't flow over into next year. But we're we're looking at ways. We in the budget was introduced on in March. I think it was the 24th at 22 25.2 cents. Uh since then the uh

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business administrator and the CFO along with the finance committee uh has brought this down right now to 17 excuse me 14.7 cents. Uh still a lot too

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much. We're going to look at it again. We're going to have a finance committee meeting and then we will have another workshop meeting which we had today before this meeting. Um and hopefully by the uh that meeting we will be able to

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get a quorum in support of the budget because right now we're sitting without a budget which is going to mean temporary t tax bills in August if we don't have a budget. So uh other than that I'd like to reiterate everything my my fellow council people said.

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recreation department is doing yman duty. Um the first night I I I when I was asked to speak because I was the oldest serving not not the oldest the longest serving council person. Uh I was

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asked to speak and uh I really did have to say I thank God for the weather. He didn't listen to me too much with this one. We had to postpone it for a week but I'm sure he's going to listen to us Wednesday night. It was so wonderful to see kids, little kids dancing to Michael

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Jackson songs. You know, I can't imagine how they even knew about it. But then my children told me that a movie just came out and that's how the new kids, there were people my age up there dancing and moonwalking. It was really a great experience all around. And the working with the library, with the recreation,

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we really do a yman job in this town. That's something that I don't think any of the services that we give the residents of the town that people would be willing to give up all of the extra services. If you look at other towns around us, everything from big garbage

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pickup to our automated garbage to we have so many services that other towns don't even give. Oldbridge doesn't even pick up garbage anymore. You got to hire your own contractor. So Seville has always done its best to make sure that

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we keep our taxes to the lowest we can and still provide the residents with all the services they have. And I just wanted to ask Stash, we're we're still in a a a water shortfall, aren't we? I mean, we had a nice winter, but we had a terrible spring for water. We're still

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should be conserving. on the property. There's some maintenance. >> There's some maintenance on the wells that are upkeep and but there's enough water there for sure for the rest of Saravel. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah, that's that's no problem. We're not we don't have that kind of problem. >> Okay. Thank you.

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>> Okay. >> Progress mayor >> public safety Councilman Blur. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. First, I want to say my Nicks uh champion. Just saying. >> What did he say? >> Nick's a champion. Um, the fire chief

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would like to thank all the bore entities in our mutual aids that assisted the fire department at yesterday's structure fire on Scott Avenue. Thanks to the quick response, all occupants were taken out of the home and neighboring exposure homes on East

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Side were saved with minimal damage. There were no injuries reported. The fire department urges all residents to maintain working smoke and CO detectors in your homes. These are life-saving devices to alert occupants. On a side

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note, uh I always thank first responders, OEM, uh police, and fire department for all what they do. When I got that call, uh unbeknownst to them, that was my house that I used to I lived

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in for 21 years that went up in flame yesterday. Yes. So this this really touches my family even though the house was full of chemicals that where we were in there

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but my kids were crying because they saw the pictures and so on and so forth. So once again I want to say thank you to the first responders and of course our officer present right now. Um, over the past several weeks, the Serville Police Department has celebrated several

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significant accomplishments and community partnerships that reflect our commitment to service, public safety, and community engagement. We are proud to congratulate patrolman Brendan Alysia and patrolman Blake Bushar on their

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graduation from the Cape May County Police Academy as members of the 60th basic course for police officers. After successfully completing 22 weeks of intensive training, both officers have officially begun their law enforcement

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careers serving the residents of Sarville. We welcome them to the department and wish them continued success and safety throughout their careers. The department also remains committed to preventing impaired driving through education and community partnerships.

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Member of the Sville Police Department participated in the ceremony harmony hosted by the Brendan Tyler Nleski Charitable Foundation. The event raised awareness about the dangers of impaired driving while supporting programs that

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promote safer roadways. Building up on these efforts, the Serville Police Department is proud to partner with the Obridge Police Department in a collaborative traffic safety initiative focused on reducing impaired driving along the Route 9

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corridor. In addition to our public safety initiatives, the department was pleased to help promote Sarville feeds, a free community dinner hosted by the First Presbyterian Church of Sarville. Finally, members of

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Saveville PBA Local 98 proudly participated in the 43rd annual law enforcement touch run for Special Olympics of New Jersey. Alongside thousands of law enforcement officers across the state, our members carried the flame of

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hope while raising awareness and support for Special Olympics athletes. The Touch Run continues to be one of floor enforcement's most meaningful charitable initiatives, helping provide year-round athletic training, health services,

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competition, and leadership opportunity to athletes and their family at no cost. We extend our sincere appreciation to our sponsors and supporters who helped make this year's fundraising effort a success.

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Once again, thank you to OEM, fire department, police department, and of course our Mr. uh uh Thomas here for helping us with uh any medical

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emergencies we may have. Thank you. And that conclude my report. >> Thank you, Councilman. Uh planning and zoning, Council President Zrowski. >> Thank you, Mayor. Uh just one item. Uh I met uh this I met last week with uh Art Writtenhouse, chair for um the Shade

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Tree Commission. He had a number of issues that he wanted to talk about but basically he had asked that an opportunity for members of the shade tree to uh discuss the sha tree ordinance with both planning Sarah oh I'm sorry not both but with planning Sarah as well as the board of

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adjustments so that all the members of those boards would have a fine understanding what that's about. I will make arrangements for a presentation for each one of those boards. He had a couple other um administrative issues uh that he had request as well. I'll share

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them with uh Councilman Rios because I believe that you're the liaison uh afterwards and otherwise mayor I def I'm going to send my time back so that uh we can get to the public proportion as quickly as possible. >> Thank you council president. Public works councilman Rios.

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>> Good evening Mayor Council members and general public. Thank you all for coming in today. Uh for public works, uh there's no major updates uh this evening other than to say that our crew continues to work hard every day responding to issues as they arise and keeping our burrow running smoothly.

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Their work often goes unnoticed, but is greatly appreciated. Uh Sha Tree Commission, I want to highlight a great example of how our Sha Tree Commission serves our community. Uh Little League reached out regarding the new Musco lights installed on field one. Uh

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because the new poles are significant significantly taller than the old ones, trees in the right field were casting shadows during night games, making it difficult for our young players to see the ball. Uh contacted our tree expert and within one week, the trees were

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professionally trimmed back. Thanks to the quick response, our kids can now play safely and enjoy the game without that concern. That's government working together to solve a a problem for our residents. Um I want to um talk a little

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bit uh about Bombers Beyond Cafe. I want to remind everyone that this is the last week the Bombers Beyond Cafe will be open before their summer break. They will reopen in July 6. This week they are operating Monday through Thursday from 8 to 12. They have limited

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inventory as they clear out their current stock before the break. Uh, if you haven't visited yet, please stop by what is known as the happiest place in town. You'll get a great cup of coffee and an even better smile. I will also

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like to invite everyone to a special clap out for our graduating baristas, Dante and Michael, this Thursday, June 18, at 12 p.m. Please come out and help us celebrate these two amazing young men and everything that they have accomplished

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at 12. So, they're gonna have a clap out because they're graduating. Exactly. Um, I just want to go over real quick at our last meeting, um, unfortunately I was characterized on the record as being rude for promoting an event that falls

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under cultural arts, a committee that I do not directly oversee and I want to respect respectfully address that. I don't believe community engagement should be limited by comm community by committee assignments. When an event benefits our residents, supports local

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organizations, and brings people together, I see it as my responsibility to help promote it, regardless of where it originated. I have always supported initiatives outside of my direct responsibilities because we were all

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elected to serve all of Saraveville, not just our individual committees. If my enthusiasm for promoting community events was perceived as disrespectful or if Councilman Klesi felt that I was stepping on his toes in any way that I

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sincerely apologize to him. I already to spoke to him personally. That was never my intention. My intention has always been to encourage participation, support our volunteers and departments and highlight the good things happening in our burrow. And if we're being

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honest, I don't think our residents are sitting home wondering which committee sponsor an event. They just want to know where it is, what time it starts, and whether there's going to be any food. I will also like to encourage my fellow council members to do the same. Let's

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get out of our committee silos and work together to promote, highlight, and celebrate the many great things happening throughout our bureau. When one department succeeds, when one event brings residents together, or when one organization makes a positive impact, it

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reflects positively on all of the of Saraveville. Our residents don't see committee lines. They see one governing body working together for the betterment of Saraveville. I believe we should all feel comfortable championing the great things happening through our community,

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regardless of whose committee they happen to fall under. Having said that, and at the risk of being reprimmended again for promoting an event outside of my committee, I would like to thank the Cultural Arts Committee under Councilman's Mike's leadership for a

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fantastic kickoff to their summer events with the Michael Jackson Trivia concert. It was a great example of what can be accomplished when different departments work together. The police department, public works, recreation department, cultural arts volunteers, and many

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others all played a part in making it amazing for our residents. That event wasn't about one committee or one department. It was about Sarville coming together to create something special for our community. I appreciate everyone's

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hard work and I'm already looking forward to the next event this Wednesday. Thank you. >> Okay. I would like to point out we have a a boy scout here tonight. Uh if his troop leader would if if the two of you would

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stand up and explain what the young man what merit badge he's going for. >> Um Scottell with stopboy truth 95. My son is currently working on two of

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his legal required maravages. One of them being the communications marge, the other citizenship in the community. Both have requirements for him to attend a public meeting where he can gather

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different points of view. Well, thank you for bringing him here tonight and congratulations on your work towards your Eagle Scout. >> That being said, I I did want to thank uh Andy Nap. Every year Andy Knap puts

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together the flag ceremony down at St. Sans and he does an excellent job and u he's a good friend of mine, a fellow knight. Uh so Andy, thank you. Uh this Thursday starts the annual Saint Sans

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Carnival. So we look forward to it every year and it will undoubtedly be um a lot of fun. It's just a lot of fun. You see people you haven't seen most of the year and uh if you bring the kids and the grandkids

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um it's just good. We did two uh ribbon cutings this week. One was the new business down in the Shopright Plaza. It's called Kids. K I DZ. >> Hyper Kids. >> Hyper Kids. And And that's no joke. >> So it's it's about 14 15,000 square feet

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inside. It's it's divided by the age group of the child. So you bring your you bring your your children, you bring your grandchildren. I know Mary Mary brought one of her grandchildren uh for the ribbon cutting and then brought her

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inside. kid had a great I asked Mary I said did she go home tired and what was the answer Mary? Yes, absolutely. >> Okay. So tired she brought another grandkid. >> Yep. >> They brought two. >> And then uh we did a ribbon cutting at a new pool supply down in the strip mall,

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the quick check strip mall by the steel mill. Mike, what's the name of that company? >> A a pools. >> A E A. >> And these these are people they came from Brazil. They've been here. They're on their third or fourth house. Entrepreneurial.

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So to the to the best of our ability, let's support him. I'm going to change I'm going to change the meeting because you are a long-suffering audience tonight and I'm going to go to the public portion so that um those who who

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wish can speak their peace and go home to their loved ones. So with that I am going to open the public portion. This is you're the first guy. So, come on up. You all right? Uh and and any and all

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issues. There's a five minute limit. All right. And you need to state your name and address. Rick Zenna. Um here on patent drive. >> Okay. >> I got a couple questions. You all know that that data center >> I can't I can't >> I said everybody knows that the data

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center has no nothing positive from the data center. It's going to use the water. You said they're going to get it the water from someplace else. That's baloney. You know that we we we run out of water now. Don't water your Don't water your lawn. Don't wash your cars. I

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pump out of the lake. My sewer bill is twice my water usage. I can't figure that out. I got a $60 water bill, $120 sewer bill. You're saying we're short on sewer money? I don't understand that. If you're paying more for sewer than water

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your usage, who came up with that plan? And the other thing is you're talking about everybody having a good time, be safe, we're going to let down a park, enjoy yourself. And yet you say no when when they're going to put in a facility

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that's going to pollute the air, use all the water, noise production, everything that's bad. You turn it down, but you say, "Come out and be safe. Have a good time. And and the same thing, everybody come down there. We're going to we're going to do this, we're going to do that. We

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got plenty of water. We don't you know that if it don't rain and and how the apartments aren't even set up yet. We got all these new apartments being built. They're not even filled. You got the what that Arsenal project. Nobody's

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in there. You keep saying everything we do is going to have a tax benefit. Not for us. I haven't seen our taxes go down yet. With every new thing that is coming into town, I have not seen our taxes go down. And everything's supposed to be

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tax benefits. Let them come in, they're going to do this. Let them come in, they're going to do that. When When has our taxes gone down with all these new projects coming into town, the appointments, the buildings, the uh warehouses?

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Where when has our taxes gone down? You all know about the data center. It's in your flyer there. There's nothing good about it. And yet there's going to be a moratorum instead of a a cancel a total cancellation.

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You're supposed to be here to take care of the people of Sarville. That's why you're that's why you guys are uh voted in. Now, if you do this after the next election, they will have a council that says no.

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You know, so we're going to do this before the next election is be the same guys vote the same way. That's all. Nobody wants it. You say nobody came out for the flag thing. All the people that came out for this, they're being ignored. So you're making

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a big deal out of people don't show up. Well, we're showing up and where's it getting us? You're still voting us now. So yeah, it just makes no sense. I mean, you got a comment, you got something, you know, I prove me

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wrong. Really? I mean, it should be a discussion here, not just me. Babel, >> this is your opportunity to talk. We we defer to you for this. That's why we don't engage in the conversation. Not

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that that we don't want to have it, but we defer to you for your opportunity. >> No. When you originally said that open to the public because everybody was here for the same thing, I thought that was great. But then when it came time to vote and you said no, I thought well

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that wasn't so great. And when you said permanent ban, I thought good and it went around got turned down. You said 24 months which made sense that got turned down. So everything that made sense to

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us got turned down by you. So I I don't understand like why why is it even being considered? Why is a data center even being considered? Why why they have an ordinance that say no data center? We don't need it. What's

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it going to do for the What's it going to do for the town? >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, >> Mr. McUade, you would you had your hand up? >> Yes, I saw your hand up. Come on up.

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>> How you doing? My name is John P. McQuade III. Uh I live on 108 Deerfield Road. I got uh I'm a union member from 456 and uh all these myths about these data centers, unless you go and see one, you you you don't know what you're talking about. I got a little letter

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here. Uh, Biscataway has nine data centers. 100% of Biscataway's taxable income, 39% comes from commercial buildings. One building, digital reality, pays 28% of that. A data center

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pays 28% of the taxes. data centers pay 250 square pay $250 per square foot when places like Walmart only pay $80 to $100 per per square foot. There is no traffic or data

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centers, no kids in the school system, no police problems such as uh like Walmart with shoplifting or any other problems. >> Taxes go down. >> Wait, wait, wait. >> I just told you that 39% of the Yeah, their taxes went down. their second

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lowest in in Middle Sex County. Digital re this digital reality pays 16 to $18 million in taxes. Is there any place pay 16 to $18 million in taxes in uh Sarville? >> Not yet. Well, that's something to

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consider. We're talking about taxes. You want your taxes go down, you need readables. Now, there's nothing. You go past the data I'll show you where data centers are. You don't even know where they're there. The noise is a bunch of bull crap. Maybe when they're running uh the generators, there's noise, but besides that, all those walls are double

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insulated. There's there is no noise. >> Again, I have to disagree, but go ahead. Sorry. >> Listen, you're in a fishbowl. I work in the ocean. You are talking about a data center in a hospital. I'm talking about Morgan Stanley. I know all the I did it for 20 years. >> Data center in a hospital. >> Yeah, that's where you said you worked,

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right? >> Yeah, I work in a hospital. That's gone. Everything Everything now is in the cloud. That's what data center is. Everything is in the cloud because all your data is stored away from your from that's what data centers you do.

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>> Just just because you're in construction doesn't mean that you you actually work in data centers. To tell me that there are no noise that prove that you have not you you you have no idea what you're saying. No noise. >> You have to walk into the data center to hear the noise. You can't hear enough.

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>> No sir. I'm sorry. No, you don't have to. So all you council people go to a data center have a >> why would I why would I need to go to a data center when I that's what I do >> because you're voting on it. When do you want to when you go to a butcher shop to get a piece of meat or you

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>> wait wait wait we we can only do one person at a time. >> Mr. McUade if you would continue. >> They build BMS. There's u there's nine data centers in MCA. Why don't you go see one? Why don't you take a lot of you people don't have never seen a data

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center. You act like you're an expert. You're not an expert. >> Oh, no, I'm not. All I know I I know I'm not. But you have to remember and most of the problems also I'm not even bringing up. So you keep talking about taxes this taxes that what about quality

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of life. I I my house that just burned down that was a a cancer causing area. There's no way a data center should be here. And I'm and I'm not an expert to talk about the health your your health because based on my research it also affects that. So, anything that's going

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to uh um you know have an a you know like a uh anything to do with your health, that's important. But for you to stand there and send there are no noise because you can walk in and and then when that's one thing that everybody knows that there is a lot of

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noise, not just from the servers themselves, but the fans to keep the data center itself cooled. And then you talk about the walls and so on and so forth. It doesn't matter because of the fact that the main thing that's causing all that heat, the CPUs and the GPUs.

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There's no way you can >> the systems now are a closed system. It's like you're radiating in your car. They get the water in there and they don't take the more water from the from the town. >> No, no, we that's a different thing. And the water the water from your aquifer will be affected. Do you believe that

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companies would actually tell you they only using this much water and they actually doing that? Okay. But no, of course we all know what's happening. Again, I don't want to I want I don't want to talk about that part of it because that's not where my expertise is. But I'm talking about just the noise. But to for you to stay there and

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stand here and say there are no noise unless you go inside, that makes no sense. >> I'll tell it's a fact. It's a fact. >> Okay, >> I'll take you to one of the one. Just go to Piscatoway. There's nine of them there. It was so bad they would have banned it from >> I don't need to go to one because again, unless

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>> you don't need to go to one. Then how can you vote on something you don't know? You don't want to take no. >> I don't know anything about it. All I know is the next best thing is that they've been built in the ocean now. But that's how much coolant that they need. That's what's that's what the next step is. >> Okay. >> That's all I got to say. I think it's all positive for town. There's no

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there's no traffic like you have traffic now. There there's no two cars per uh apartment. It's all ratable. >> Thanks, John. Well, this Yes. come up please if you'd state your name and address please.

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>> Carrie Kenny um Gerity Street in the Morgan section of Sarble. Um I appreciate Mr. Zabrowski requesting a discussion on a first reading which is not usually the norm but I have to say that you all had the perfect opportunity to protect our environment with a total ban and I'm not sure why all the

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information found in a super simple Google search isn't enough. And I wonder why we worry about litigation unless someone has already been promised something. That being said, Sarville is where I was raised and where I chose to raise my family. Already, this place bears little resemblance to the

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beautiful town it once was. Everywhere you look, there's construction or traffic or a new housing development or a warehouse. We've decimated our greenery and bulldozed any natural beauty that we ever had. To quote Joanie Mitchell, "We've paid paradise, but for more than just a parking lot, and now a

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data center, possibly, which is an added strain to our already overworked systems." How foolish I was to think that all the new electrical work going on in Morgan around me was for the benefit of the residents and to avoid the numerous outages that we all already

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experience and not a precursor to what may come. My personal feelings about how detrimental I think AI is. Aside, the cons of any data center, such as the high water usage and the power grid strain and the noise pollution and the

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limited economic benefits and the poor aesthetics and everything that you actually have listed right here in this ordinance far outweigh any prawns, any pros that I can think of, which actually are none. I would like to think that someday you will all be sitting here

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talking about and arguing about maybe where we could plant a tree in this town, maybe have some open space or make something a little bit more beautiful because this town has not any resemblance of the place I grew up. >> Someone

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Bobby, I have someone. >> You have someone Bill. >> Uh, thank you, Mayor. Thanks, Bob, for letting me go first. >> Um, first, a quick question for Mary in regards to the the tax increase.

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>> Bill, your name and address, please. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Um, Bill Henry, Orchard Street. Uh, quick question on the tax increase you have right now. How much does that represent on an average home of was it $147,000? >> Uh I think it's something like $212 a

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year on the average home. Am I correct on that, Danielle? >> Yep. >> 215. I was off $35. >> All right. Thank you. Uh mayor and council, I support an immediate and total ban on data centers in Saraveville. residents have made clear

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their concerns and I have not seen meaningful support for allowing data centers in our town. According to Councilman Zabrowsk's poll, 84% of the residents said no to data centers while only 3% were in favor. Given the

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overwhelming opposition, the council should act now and move forward and with a total ban on data centers. Let the people decide. Ter belongs to the residents and the elected officials and responsible are responsible for

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representing the will of the people. If the council is not prepared to enact an immediate ban, then residents should have the opportunity to vote on the issue through a referendum in November. Let's stop the political game plan. I

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asked the mayor and council to respect the clear opposition of several residents and their entire and either pass a total ban on data centers or place a question before voters in November. Um if indeed you wanted to put a referendum on the ballot

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this year, you would need to pass a motion tonight. Thank you. >> Yes. Is there somebody from my right side here who would like to speak or make a comment? Aloy, come on up. I'll get you next, Dan.

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>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Hopefully, what I'm about to talk about is a little less controversial than what most people are speaking about. First of all, Councilwoman Novak, I I owe you an apology. Last time I I was here, we were we were discussing another item and you brought

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up our veterans and I thanked you directly, but I didn't use your name like I did with some of the other council people. So, I want to clear the the air on that. First, Councilman Rios, um you you came out and supported our car show last year, and I want to thank

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you for that. Councilman Blur, hopefully I got that right. Um we haven't had an opportunity to work for our veterans, but hopefully in the future we we can count on on on your support. Councilwoman Novak, you Council Council President Zimrosski,

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Councilman Sinarski, Councilman Khesi, and our mayor, the five of you have shown extraordinary efforts towards towards our veterans each and every day. And not and not when it's election time and not when the cameras are there. All of you have come and donated repeatedly

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to to various causes when the cameras aren't there, when the public isn't there and they don't see you. that means something. And I know for the four of you, this is far more than an issue that affects our community. It's personal to to you and to each and every one of you.

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Anyone who just heard Councilman Sonarski's speech and has ever heard him speak understands the passion and and and what this means to you personally. And I know it's the same for Council President Zumbrosski, Councilman Khesi, Councilwoman Novak, and and our mayor.

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So, I want to thank you as president of the Rotary Club for all of your support that you've given to to our to our veterans. Um, it means so much and I think you should all be recognized and I I thank you for what you do for our veterans. >> Thank you, Eloy. >> Thank you,

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>> Dan. >> Good evening, Mayor, Council Dan Buchanan, Morgan section of Saraveville. Uh just wanted to uh take a moment to uh thank you Councilman Rios. That was a great speech you gave and apology. Um you don't see that often up here. So thank you for your uh your expression.

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Uh Councilman Sarski. Um yes, it was a great job with the waterfront park. Um and I'm sure Jay will uh back me up on this. That park is in Saraveville. Um so it is a golden part of Saraveville. So, I would encourage you guys to possibly put a sign up saying welcome to

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Saraveville as you enter that park. I know that's been controversial in the past, but truth be told, it's you are in Caveville. >> I was going to bring that up that it is in Saraveville. >> Um, also with that with the environmental, you'd mentioned um you know the the data center not using um

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burrow water. I'm sure that would have to be in some sort of ordinance rather than them any kind of agreement. Um I'm I am opposed on on the face value of of data centers being uh what you've heard regarding uh the water usage, the noise

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pollution, um the electric usage. You go on Facebook, any social media, you see there's sections of town out constantly. Um this is just going to happen even more and more, especially as it gets hotter out now. You're going to need to cool them down quicker. You're going to

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need to cool them down faster. Um I I was hopeful that when we heard you wanted to educate yourself more on these data centers that the 24 month would would have would have sufficed. Um personally I think it's um better to um

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be more restrictive on it and once the data comes out you could have always amended the ordinance to allow for that uh rather than this ordinance just disappearing in 18 months and our hands are your hands are tied our hands as as taxpayers are are tied. Um, I don't I

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don't like the idea. Um, I don't know the section that they're talking about building it in. Um, I can't imagine over in Morgan there's not much room over there anymore. Um, you know, I know labor is here and we've always encouraged and I I hated when

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Councilman, former Councilman Oesi came up when I was on council saying when I was on council, but when I was on council, we did encourage having project labor agreements. So, whatever project goes there, whether they're whether it's a data center or whatnot, I'm sure this council and any council would encourage

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um having uh unionized labor do the work. Um and I I I encourage you guys to continue that trend up there, having organized labor do whatever project it is, not necessarily a data center, because again, I I disagree with them. I

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I you know, not just me, it's it's like um the survey said 80ome percent of them. Um, so between, you know, wanting more education, um, learning more about it, we don't know about it. None of us really, I'm sure, know the ins and outs

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of it. Um, but, you know, it's it's it's it's a lot to take on right now and our neighboring towns are are turning it down. One of the arguments I heard was about getting sued. That's I don't agree with that. If there, you know, we're not going to get sued if we have an

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ordinance or we can get you can get sued for having an ordinance. doesn't matter. Um, nobody said anything about suing the burrow when when the council voted against having uh marijuana um dispensaries in town. Um, but yet we banned them or they were banned back in

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a few years ago. Um, so this too would be the same way. If somebody wanted it and it wasn't there, they would make they would go for the variances for it or sue the town and get it whether um it was allowed or not. So, it's easier to ban it and, you know, let them come

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after you rather than again letting this ordinance lapse. I'd hope that you guys would reconsider this ordinance before the end of the night and amend it to ban it fully so that the residents have that opportunity and you have that opportunity to study it more. And if

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time comes and you can see that um it's it's okay and it's safe and it's uh less not impactful um then so be it. Create an ordinance to allow it. Um, lastly, you know, we hear about taxes being

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good, and as a fortune teller, I bet you, uh, as I heard in the back, I heard before, dollars to donuts, um, that, um, the council mayor will give them a pilot, which would then not help the school districts out at all. And it's

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crying shame that the kids will be hurt again. Thank you for your time. >> Hey, Dan. Dan, just a just a correction. Councilman Sabrowski and I have been in in in great uh and lengthy discussions

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with uh Eloy Fernandez, the president of the board of ed about sharing the pilots on capital projects. So that statement is incorrect that you just made. >> A pilot's a pilot, but mayor and it's up to you guys to have that kind of agreement. >> Correct. And we we we have been in many

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discussions about it. Um just last Wednesday I was invited by the mayor of Piscatoaway and by the um a number of the state uh IBEDWs, the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, the

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the different locals to come to Piscatoaway where I was joined with mayors from uh throughout the state of New Jersey, senators, assembly people, county commissioners, And it was explained to us the building

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uh that Mr. Mcuade was talking about was an old celely mattress warehouse or or I don't know whether it was just a warehouse or manufacturing. Um and and one one of the questions I asked was how many people how much traffic

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does it put on the street? It's on South Randolph Hill Road. I didn't even know what it was and I'd been going through that area for 50 years. Um and and and I was told that the fire the local fire department of Piscataway

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allows 150 cars and most of the time there's far far less uh at that facility. So you have if you take a huge rectangle in the center of the rectangle is a room that's elevated I believe

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about 3 ft off the floor and it's graded and in that in that room are the different servers and so the the cool air is blown in up through the floor. I guess I'm simplifying this and and

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tradesmen correct me if I'm wrong. Uh the cool air comes up from below, goes over the the servers, cools them down, is captured at the in the ceiling and it goes through the process again. They explain the cold uh the closed loop

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water process. Seville uh we use the the gray water from the MCUA. The MCUA such how many gallons a month or a day do they dump of 100 million a day. All right. So, the

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MCU dumps 100 million gallons a day into the lower Baritton Bay of of sanitary water. The gray water is a level of of sanitary water that uh will that is

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currently piped over to this area to be used in the power generation stations that are there. uh and and it's used uh for this purpose, not the freshwater. Uh Mayor Whan told me that they were putting in he said first of all uh

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Piscatoaway is is is a mobile communication center. Is that right, Jason? It's it's a mobile communication center. He said you know that's that's the business that they try to attract.

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He is building a super data center and apparently what that requires is is most data centers you have to have two sources of electricity. Uh it's called the redundant supply

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and the super center you need four. And and I asked the mayor I said mayor I said who makes this electricity and he said it's all the same company. He said, "What makes this different is it comes from four different grids. I'm not an

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electrician. Uh I I take out uh the instructions to put in light bulbs." But uh that being said he he is he says that the data centers have made a financial big

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difference in ser in uh Piscatoaway rather that they have um invested heavily into Piscataway's grid which has improved the electrical service. Th this is early early early days. We're we're

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looking at this as is our due diligence uh is required to look at for the for the better use. Uh and we are using the financial tools that the state legislature created to help us attract that business.

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There is so much misinformation about pilot programs, about water, about data centers, about this whole thing. It's just a tremendous amount of misinformation. The one key question I asked the people

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in this room, the mayors, the senators, the people in this business, I said, "It's my understanding, I'm beginning to hear rumors that because China is so far behind the United States in data centers that they are funneling money here to

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spread this information." And I was told in no uncertain terms it's a very true statement and that there is investigations going on tracking the money. So the United States leads the world in these AI data centers and and

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these countries don't want that and they are doing their best so that the United States defeats itself. I believe that there's not every bone of my body believes that. the rest of it. I went in the server room. Yeah, the server room

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is noisy, but it's it's surrounded by these really tremendously long corridors which are completely silent. Uh where I park the car to go into the data center, they have backup generators and what I'm

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told is when the grid when there's an issue with the grid, the generators kick in and they're a little noisy. He said it it I don't know whether it's never happened but it's a rare occurrence. He said several times a year they have to

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do maintenance on these generators and they start it up. The law in Piscataway is they can't run more than 40 hours a year. So there are safeguards. I have the I I've charged the environmental commission to review it, investigate it.

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All right. and and I and I told I I gave the instruction you're to find out first how we can make this work. If you can't find out how to make it work in Servo, then we'll have a second discussion about doing something uh to prohibit

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them. I said, "But first, we owe it to ourselves to find out if we can make it work, if we can make it quiet, if they can use instead of the 100 million gallons a day of sewage going into the Ritan Bay that

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we use uh some of it uh to cool uh something here. But this is, you know, once every hundred years a town has the ability to reinvent itself. And with Hercules after 125 years leaving

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Saveville, that's a 400 acre site. The current owners of that property want $200 million an acre. All right. We could not There's no possible way the bureau could buy that. It just could not. It's just so far out of our

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financial scope. So, we have the opportunity to work with the property owner on what goes there and that's where you use the pilot. So, you understand a real quick primer on a pilot. The

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schools are given grants and they're giving given financial assistance on their operational cost, meaning salaries, the rest, that's an operational cost. the burrow, the towns are not given that by the legislature.

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We're given money for projects to build a building to restore something. So, what what what we're looking at is the ability to help the schools rebuild their their very old

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their 60-year-old schools rebuild, refurbish, expand. Um and we're looking we we have capital costs capital projects of our own that we would like to do except we don't have the money.

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This is a potential and and I you know I want to say it a potential source for that money. So what I'm asking everybody to do is to have the patience and the courtesy to allow us to explore it and

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then when we have all the information, it will be presented. It's not going to be a 12:00 midnight council meeting uh where with three of the people are on vacation or something like that and it will be a slam dunk. That would be wrong. And we're not here to do these to

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to behave in that manner. But we are here to do our due diligence and to find out exactly what's going on. You know, when when a after last Wednesday that I visited this place, I'm going, you know, there's so much misinformation whether

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it's it's it's going to cause your air conditioner to go out in the summer or, you know, it it's a very doom and gloom scenario. So if you're if you're a country that wants to compete with the United States and you feel that you need

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every edge you can get, you spread this misinformation. And I I believe that to the core of my being that this misinformation deliberately is frightening people and it's making them say, "Make my fear go

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away." Has nothing to do with the truth, but they've been very they've been very good at spreading misinformation. And I think there's a lot of misinformation that goes around and people hear two times, three times, four times and then they accept it as truth. It's not true.

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Uh is there anyone from uh labor that would like to speak on this issue? Jason, come on up. >> Uh good evening, Mayor, Council President, council members. Jason, if you'd say your name and you're at where where you live.

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>> Yes, sir. Uh, good evening. Jason Freeman, 3 Northfield Avenue, East Brunswick, New Jersey. Um, >> and your job? >> I'm a senior representative for the Eastern Atlantic States Regional Council of Carpenters, aka the Carpenters Union,

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uh, in and around the area. I have a few comments to make. I first want to start off by thanking and saluting for being a good partner in labor and helping uh bluecollar men and women myself when I was a younger man worked here in Sville. My son who lives

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here in town as a young man in the trades is earning a living. Uh and that's that's part and parcel of the history of the work that this council has done over many years. So thank you all for that. I'd also like to mention that your air

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conditioning in the room is unbelievable. I could not sit anymore in the back. I was shivering. Uh it was 70s something degrees when I came in this evening and I'm like 50° back there now. So, hats off to you and your h HVAC

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folks. Uh I made it the business of mine to come here tonight uh for a couple reasons. uh mostly because the past couple years the carpenters organized carpenters in this region have pointed me at um the data center market exploring it understanding it what does

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it mean for working people what does it mean for our membership and so I've developed a certain amount of expertise on that also being a neighbor and um from the area and I would just say that also as a someone

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who's done some government service served on redevelopment agencies in East Brunswick and currently serving on the the planning board for our county. Um I understand some of the position that you're in and can appreciate it. It was Mark Twain that said uh you know

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a lie is up and around the world before the truth has its shoes tied or something similar to that. So it just I would just encourage you to take time to do your deliberations. take into account the facts beyond what a simple Google search or what a

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Facebook comment might read because I think the proud industrial heritage and history of your town is really valuable and you could be sitting here with a with a goose waiting

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to lay the next golden egg for y'all. you know, a a a modest-sized piece of digital infrastructure, which is the backbone of modern living, the backbone of the the nervous system of modern living

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could could provide ratable taxes to your community in tens of millions of dollars. That is really, really helpful. It could really be helpful. Piscataway is a tremendous example, local to our county. I've traveled as far as Virginia and

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West Virginia, uh, Delaware and Maryland in in my duties for the organization which I work for. I can tell you Lowden County, Virginia, for all the hue and cry you hear about it, they are cleaning up 93% of their county

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taxes are paid just by that industry. Data centers, digital infrastructure, 93% of it. one of the richest counties in these United States. One of the richest counties in these United States in a very wealthy part of

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the world. Okay? They're not making mistakes. They're doing things uh right. And it's not without controversy. But what hasn't been without controversy? You know, the Metallanes was controversial when they built it. The Parkway was controversial when they

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built it. Anything new is always going to face a lot of scrutiny and and questions. take your time, do your deliberations. I hope you lean into the future, lean into prosperity, and take advantage of the opportunity that's before you. And uh thank you very much tonight for the

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audience. >> Thank you, Jason. >> Anyone else? Ken, you had your hand up. And I'll cave. Um I'm not an expert on data centers. told you that before at this microphone, but I do a lot of reading, a lot of following uh the

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issue, and I do a lot of following of Wall Street um data centers. You've got the the water problems, the power problems, the noise problems. The only

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thing more unpopular than data centers in the state of New Jersey is probably the bubanic plague. Now, I'm not sure why that is. I'm not sure why so many people can be wrong and don't want it. It's not only the state

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of New Jersey. It's the state of Banganger, Pennsylvania. Is it It's all over. So I can't imagine all these people are are against this just for the sake of being against something. And when it comes let's talk about our own town. All this stuff you you're talking

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about here tonight. We got the same story down when we talked about the warehouses on Cheesequake. They were going to solve so many of our problems. We and we had people at the planning board meeting where that was approved. When I went to the planning board meeting that night, I was walking in the

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door. One of the planning board members said, "You can get up, not to me. I just overheard it. You can get up and say anything you want tonight. This is v This is passing." We got up and talked about the the problems with the cheese quake warehouses. We had a truck driver

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who's driven for 35 years said, "It's never going to work to get those rigs out and to the highway uh where they need to go." They ignored it and passed it. Mayor, you had a bunch of people here. You had all of your friends from Woodbridge here. When they came to these

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cheese quake warehouses, they were going to be so great. Now we're talking about big tax increases. Where's the money? What happened to the money? >> Hey, Ken, I think that must have been a twin because there was a 4-year period where I was taking care of a sick wife

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when those things were introduced and bass. I had nothing to do with those Cheesequake warehouses. They >> I never I didn't say you had anything to do with the matter. I'm telling you I'm telling you some of the trust level why

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it's not there. Uh you you you had something to do with bringing all your friends uh from Woodbridge when it came to talking about those cheek which I sat here those great warehouses >> they were built. >> They were built they were here to say how how you had to give them you had to

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give them the tax break. You had to give them the pilot. Ken, you are the most misinformed guy I've met in a long time. >> Misinformed guy. I sat here while it happened. Mayor, you are the line. The line that you keep giving

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us over and over. Misinformed. Councilman Sarski talked about why we can't get more public participation. Well, tell me why you can't get public participation. Isn't this public participation? Uh, how

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about mayor when when you cut back and tried to go to a threeminute public portion? How about when you cut the Zoom meetings and you still don't have a Zoom meeting and the elevator is not working and you want public participation. How about when mayor you call the people at

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the meeting, do people with no lives for coming to the meeting. I'm I'm embarrassed to say that in front of I'm proud to have Boy Scouts here. I'm embarrassed to say that in front of them that some of the things that went on. Maybe you don't have a very good memory, mayor. You don't seem to remember it.

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And how about when people at this microphone, you brought the police up to escort them to their seats. Is that conducive to public participation? Let me ask you that. Is anybody anybody understand that? Yeah. There's no confidence that I could go on and on. I could talk, mayor. I can

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>> I know you can talk, Ken. >> Yeah, that's an established thing. Glad you know I can talk I can spend a lot of time talking about the affordable housing and what happened there and the fiasco with I'll do it at the next meeting where I get my five minutes up. Got to watch it. Okay. But I want to

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close I want to close. I know you won't give me any more time like you give other people. But I want to close I want to close by by talking about a quote some quotes tonight from President Lincoln when he said you can fool all of

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the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you can't fool all of the people all the time and that's what you're trying to do. Thank you very much. Bob, you want to come up?

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Bob or other Bob. Bob, do you want to come up? Different Bob. Different Bob. >> Come on up. You had your hand up. You know, Bob Sarable. I wasn't going to come up, but little fact check, right?

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You weren't here when the warehouses were approved, but when the pilots were turned down by the council, it was you that brought people in from Woodbridge and everything to overturn that and

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change that around again. >> So, I'm So, how did I bring people in from Woodbridge to overturn it? The same way that you said that we orchestrated coming up and talking about the pilots, you brought somebody a business agent from a union in Woodbridge here and

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saying how great it was going to be for the taxes. >> So it was >> everybody has a short memory. >> How much came in this year? >> If it was not increase would be seven 7.3 cents.

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>> We brought in what a million. How much? 75. >> No. How many millions? >> 1.75. >> 1.75 in in pilot payments for those new warehouses. I'm not sure what Danielle you have something off the cuff what

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they would be without. >> No, I'm just 4 million. >> Our total our total revenue >> total revenue from pilots was 1.75 million. Without that revenue, it would be 7.3 cents more.

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>> Yeah. But you got to it's a hard way. They pay. We we we I'll have you sit with somebody, Bob, and they'll go over the math with you. Um they pay because you we get about 80% of the value, whereas

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before we got less than 20%. We got about 20%. And that and that is the tool that the state legislature created for the borrow for the municipalities. We didn't create the pilot. The state

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legislature did so that we could self-fund what we needed. You know, there's this misnomer that somehow we're all whacking up the the proceeds of the pilot. Uh we're not. It's going to to red to stabilize taxes.

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Let's use that word. Uh reducing taxes. >> If they're going to stabilize taxes, how come we're looking at an increase in our taxes? Hey Bob, >> I'm looking at an increase in our taxes because my taxes are frozen, but that doesn't mean I don't care that the taxes are going to go up or down.

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>> Okay, thanks Bob. Anything else? >> Obviously, you still don't get it that you were the one that came back and turned turned around the vote on a pilot

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with the council. And I'm sure I'm sure Mary can vow for that. If pilots are so bad, why are they used diligently throughout the state? The the the other thing everybody that comes up here as an expert on pilots. I I'm

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really curious which which boards that you are appointed to to discuss the New Jersey pilot program because you uh they they really want to you know you have so much to add to it. I don't think you've spent enough time understanding the

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pilot. What you do is you you you join this gang that that is against any and all changes. And and I don't think I don't think that's what I do. >> I have read articles that said that the pilot programs aren't being what they cracked up to be. Also,

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>> well, where where please bring me the articles cuz I I if they're not what they're cracked up to be. If Mayor McCormack in Woodbridge has had it wrong for the last 25 years and he's got 80 pilots going at one time and Woodbridge

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has a pretty stable tax rate, I you know, I want to go I want to give my friend Mayor McCormack a call and say you're doing it all wrong according to Bob Egan. >> All right, fine. You've also had people up here that are more financially inep

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adept and were saying that we were going to have losses of so many million over the time. >> Nobody knows at all >> and I'm not claiming but I'm just I just came up to fact check the fact that you had nothing to do with the pilot

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programs when you came back as mayor. you overturned. >> I came back two and a half years ago. >> And in that time frame, that's when the pilot the pilots were originally turned down and then all of a sudden they found a letter in a in a drawer someplace saying that they applied for them and

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then all of a sudden it was turned around again. Have a nice night. It doesn't matter what people say. >> You'll do what you want anyway. >> Okay. >> Bob Davis. Bob, >> I'll go mayor. This young lady would like to speak.

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>> I just want to make >> But you got to come up. Young lady, >> want me to come up? >> Yes. >> Just want to be clear about something. >> Say if you'd identify yourself, >> Bob Davis for Eugene Boulevard.

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I just want to be clear. Somebody made a comment earlier that the construction workers, etc. See you guys in that back row. War residents of Serbble. Okay, we're here as concerned citizens. >> Thank you for coming out. >> Young

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>> the data center girl. >> I wasn't thinking I was coming here tonight, but Judy Lurman, 146 Paloski, as you know, I've lived here my whole life. The property that they're looking to redevelop, it's going to get redeveloped one way or another. Right.

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>> Right. So, as a resident, I would like to see I don't want more warehouses or more housing. We have enough traffic in this town as it is. Data centers don't employ a lot of employees. And like I told you, I've worked with them for the

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last 20 years. So, even though I retired in December, I still have some uh connections. So, I called Verizon. you you can't get into a data center which on a tour I you know so I tried to

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um you know facilitate one but um I did get in touch with the business agent of IBW102 he called me back he's digital he works for digital realy in Piscataway and I know those data centers because

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Bloomberg has data centers there um but he I wish I brought my notes Um Mikey Cheryl, he told me about the four pillars, right? So she's looking into those four pillars of how to decide whether we should build data centers in

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the state of New Jersey or not, right? Which I thought was a great idea. And a couple things that I'm just thinking off the top of my head was the noise. He told me there's one data center in Vinland that has

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two turbo um engines that are running Prime and that's what the whizzing sound is down in Vinland, New Jersey. I'm sure they're going to correct that eventually. Um but I know they were saying you had

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said about this the servers making noise for three miles, right? You said you can hear the service from three miles away. I said you could hear the noise on three miles, >> right? So I would think after you our last time the last time I spoke here, I

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thought about it. I think if I walked through a data center and the noise was that loud, I would have to wear earplugs walking through that data center. >> So are you saying that the residents are going to be walking through a data center or the >> No, but I

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>> So nobody here is going to be walking through a data center. Maybe me, maybe you, maybe um uh him that you know like cuz what kind of servers are using by the way? But anyway um >> these are large data centers that I work for. >> Yes, of course they are large. But the

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pro the thing is you you guys are the first person I I'm I'm hearing that says that you don't hear any noise. Okay, remember the whole idea it's it's not even the servers themselves cuz they run quieter a lot quieter now, right? the the the you know, but it's the fact that

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they needs to be cooled. Okay? And when they needs to be cooled, it's the noise you're hearing is from the fans of the cooling system to keep them cool. Now, if you if we're having a discussion and then you can stand here and tell me that there are no

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noise and of discussion, that means I don't know anything I'm talking about because that's the first time I've ever heard that data centers produce no noise. I've never heard. The only noise I can tell you that you probably would hear is if they use lose utility power and the standby generators have to

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start. >> Okay. >> And they do have a lot of redundancy and they do test them monthly. >> So again, yes, they do all of that of course and they're going to build it a certain way. It's going to be this is going to be that. But the the main thing is all these processors need to be

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cooled. If you were to have a new processor that requires only a third of the cooling power of the electrical power, then we can talk. But until that happens, there's nothing to discuss. If you telling me that there are no noise, then okay. And I'm sorry, my bad. I

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apologize. I don't know what I'm talking about because that it's impossible for there not to be any noise. Okay. Now, when you go in the in the server room, uh you know, you you're going to hear the noise. Of course, all the lights beep beep blah blah and so on and so forth. But the noise comes from the

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apparatus that they used to cool off the whole data center. >> Okay. So right now in this in Priscatoaway is there any complaints there about data center noise? >> Oh, but listen, I am not I'm no longer having this discussion because what happens is

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>> Wait a minute. She asked me a question. What the mayor told me was there they're there from a an environmental they're right on right on point. He gets no complaints. All right. He's building more. He he he

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wants Piscataway to be identified as as this communication hub and and data being you know when when I was in the server room which was enormous. Um I I'm looking around at it and and I look at

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Mayor Whan and I said, "This is simple business. This is electricity in and data out." And he looked back at me and he said, "Exactly. That's the whole business, >> right?" >> You know, they they put electricity in, it converts it to data, and the data goes out, the the lines, you know, the

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the outlines. Um, it it doesn't appear to me, it's probably immensely technically complex, but from a business perspective, it's just electricity in, data out, and and away you go. But in in

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the vast server room that I was in, yeah, you have you have you have the the the noise of the servers, you have the the air handlers, but in the hallway right next to it until they open the door, you you didn't hear a thing,

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>> right? >> And outside, you know, I parked the car next to the building, you didn't hear a thing. It was a mattress warehouse before they made it a server a server thing. >> And what I'm saying is we owe it to the

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our job is is to find the higher and best use >> right >> and help the property owner develop. It's going to be developed. >> I know >> it is going to be developed and these server these data farms are going to go somewhere.

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>> Can I just say one more thing? Yeah. I know just by working with them, the state of New Jersey and the the building management companies that manage all those data centers, >> yeah, >> follow strict rules through the state and the EPA. I mean it I gave them so

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much information to apply for permits on runtime and pollution and they it I I can't even sit here and tell you all the stuff that goes into it, but it is they are the probably the most strictest run facilities out of all the facilities

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that I dealt with. You know what I haven't heard is since we talked about taking part of that 100 million gallons a day that gets dumped into the bay >> and using it to cool these servers. The water problem

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has been satisfied as far as I can tell because nobody's saying, "Well, I I want it dumped in the in the bay, you know." Yeah. Use it's a it's a higher and better use for the gray water, >> right? be before you before and I really do

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believe that there are forces at work that would like the United States to slow down its data center building so that other countries uh can get a leg up. I don't think

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that's in our national interest. I have my friends and my neighbors sitting here who make their living building these things. I it's not it's not in my neighbors interest, my friend's interest that I sit here and say you don't count

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because of all this information. We need to get we we need to be able to separate the misinformation from the correct information and say this is a higher better use this and in order for it to be a higher and better use it has to hit

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these 10 points which is pretty standard business. Mhm. >> Uh or it's not for us. I mean that that's always a possibility. Correct. It's not for us. >> I don't know what is, >> but this is just one of the things that we're evaluating. Remember, if Hercules

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or Dupont came here today, I'd have the same people here saying, even though five, six generations fed their families, sent their sons to war to protect this great nation, they said, "No, you can't

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come to Sville. >> We don't want you making chemicals. We don't want you making gunpowder. Here's the 25 reason it's no good. We want it to be barren land, which is good if you're out in Kansas, but it sinks if you're in New Jersey and you and and you

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have the expense that goes along with living in New Jersey, >> right? And and I think a lot of people also think that these data centers are going to be built by next year. It takes >> How long How long does it take to build

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a data center, Mr. McUade? >> It's a big one. They put additions on all the time, but usually about two years. How long for the planning? >> I'm not I just work. >> Okay. >> Anyway. >> All right, Judy. Thank you, Kenny. Oh,

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wait a minute. Ken, let let me get ladies first. >> Just wanted to say more thank you. Um, >> are you the young lady that sent me the email? >> No. >> No, >> I'm the young lady right here. Um, I hope in the next year and a half that we

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Oh, Carrie Kenny. um Morgan section of cereble that we're also just looking at maybe some of the health risks and benefits that this could you mean you talk about Hercules being here and you know how >> if we would have kept them out and you know where would we be but there are

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health risks and hazards from having them here um we talk about like we as a teacher you know we talked about how great technology was going to be and how we had to get all these kids on iPads and now we're saying oh that was a mistake their brains aren't developing the right way anymore that was a mistake and we talk about how you know, we're going to have like put

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red dye and everything cuz we want to make kids want to eat it because it's so colorful. And now we're saying, "Oh my god, we just ruined an entire generation of kids who can't focus or concentrate and now have cancer." Like, so there's so many things that we thought were going to be so great for us and they're going to be so helpful, but they've had these lasting negative impacts on our

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health as a whole. And I just hope that in this research that you're doing, whether it's the noise and the water and all the things that I'm 100% opposed to, we're also thinking about in that 18 months, let's look at a place like Piscataway. Are they having a greater cancer cluster? >> According to the mayor, they're not.

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>> Well, they're they spanking new. >> Wait a minute. We had a guy years ago. I think he was Edison Wetlands. He he he came he came to the burrow. He went into the library. He took water samples from the water fountains and all

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this and and he sent it to some lab in Canada for testing and and the testing was done parts per per billion. And I I've this was before I really got too involved in politics. Um a and and I was

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working with people who were uh water engineers and they said they said Kennedy it's impossible to I think it was parts per billion. Do you remember Jay? He was he was testing the water fountain water out of the library. And

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he came back with a minuscule amount of something but he was testing I think it was parts per billion. It was so extraordinary, so extreme, there wasn't a lab in America that would certify that test and it was just the spread of misinformation.

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Uh so all what I'm saying is we're taking our time. We're looking at this. We're open to any other development ideas that there are, but the property owner is looking to make a sale. He's looking to sell the property. They've

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closed the factory down. They're leaving New Jersey and and so they're they're going to sell the property. Our job is to try to bring something to the best and higher use. >> Well, this is probably a stupid question, but I'm going to ask it

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anyway. Just because something's for sale doesn't mean it has to be bought, right? I mean, like I try to sell my house. If nobody wants it, I'm just kind of stuck with it. So, do we >> They may or may not sell it. I I don't know. >> Do you have to do we have to have it? They eventually will sell it >> to whomever. Anybody?

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>> No. Whoever brings them the check. >> So, the idea is we're just going to buy it up first. >> We can't afford to buy it up. >> Gotcha. Okay. >> Who decides what goes on? >> It's Mayor. >> Wait, wait, wait. You can't just yell

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out from the audience. Just to put it in context, it's a half a million dollars an acre. There are 400 acres. It's in in very simple terms, it's a $200 million purchase. >> So, that was the part I was trying to understand. I I wasn't understand I'm not understanding what you're saying.

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So, they're So, they're going to sell it. So, they want to sell it. It doesn't care. >> They want to You're saying they want to sell that property? >> Oh, it's been for sale for quite some time. For a while. >> So, I I think I'm just having a hard time following why that how that

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connects to the data center. And this is literally my first meeting. It was it was a suggested use. >> Got it. >> Okay. >> What's built there is controlled by Sarah right now. They put data center as

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being allowed to be built there. >> They did that and >> it's not true, Mary. It's not controlled by Sarah. >> Right now, it was Sarah's suggestion. >> Sarah does not change zoning ordinance. That's I realize that we change it, but

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it was Sarah's Sarah's recommendation with the with the >> Sarah's recommendation that it be put that it be put there and excuse me, >> and Sarah said at their meeting Sarah said at their meeting, and I only just

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found this out back in 2025 that their preferred building there is a data center and they were going to work towards that. So that's where they're heading. That's what they want. That's what they're pushing for. >> That is your that is your opinion.

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>> It's in their minutes. It's not my opinion. I'm not a part of Sarah. >> But that is incorrect. There was a discussion about that and that's correct. That happened in December and and things have changed and Sarah has taken a look at this and will continue to take a look at this and I don't want this to be a conversation about Sarah.

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This is about what what the residents are looking for and to be able to be able to do this in a in a manner that's professional, that's respectable and respects the rights of our our citizens. So, but you can't say that Sarah wanted to do this. Sarah takes a look at

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opportunities and then it turns it over with either a recommendation or not a recommendation. And the mayor and council ultimately makes that decision. It doesn't abdicate its decision. It's the mayor and counsel. And it would be foolhardy for Sarah not to look at every opportunity that's available because

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that's the job. Now, they may not recommend or they may recommend. It really depends. But Sarah will do what Sarah normally does and have all the professionals take a look to determine whether there's a need for recommendation or not. And if they have

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to hire additional professionals to do that, which we already have added to try to get an energy consultant on board and we're having the the res the uh person from the Sierra Club so we get a full knowledge of what's going on. That will occur and that will continue to occur

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and I don't want anybody to think that you're losing the trust of the community by doing this. We're trying to build a record and an understanding of what this is all about because at the end of the day, I don't think any one of us understand exactly what it's about. But if it's bad for sale, it's not going to

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happen. That's the reason for this ban today is to make sure that we make a decision today and get that on the record today that we're having a ban. And it is a total ban because it recognizes the entire township. And let's not do a full hearty thing about a

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referendum because that's nonbinding. And God forbid that it does we get the wrong answer. Now we have nothing behind us to be able to get done. We have an ordinance that we presented today and by the next meeting we're going to have it

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in in place. So it protects our residents and that's the purpose. If it has to be renewed, it can be renewed if we don't have enough time to make a decision. And yes, we're going to be able to publish whatever and make sure that the c that our residents know what meeting we're going to have and we're

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going to discuss it again. Every board will do that. That's the transparency of what happens. Ken, I don't know what happened at that planning board. I was not responsible. That came time before and that's terrible if that happened to you where someone told you that the deal was done. I don't know who and you're welcome to tell me who it is and you're

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welcome not to tell me, but I'm telling you right now, >> I walked into the building >> and that was wrong. absolutely wrong. I don't know how that happened and it should never have happened by God, but I'll tell you that's not how things operate >> today. Right. Ken Ken, you you had a

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comment. >> Kenneth Scott, Oak Tree Road. Um, it seems to me we have a Councilman Bloomer. Oh, I if I pronounced your name wrong, I apologize. Hervey. Hervey. I don't say it. Um, you're we're we're taking your advice

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very seriously, but if I'm not mistaken, your job is is operations. Am I correct? >> Um, my job is >> I mean, your your expertise is more on the operations end. >> Well, I do have an A+ MCSC twice. So, I'm operational as well as hardware. I

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was a network engineer. MCSC. So, Microsoft certified system engineer. >> Okay. System. >> So, hardware. Hardware. I think what we're talking about here >> is the difference between you and systems engineering and infrastructure. >> Um, but if I'm if I'm a network

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engineer, that is actually both. In other words, I built the servers. Okay. I built the server. >> You didn't build the halon gas and you didn't build the um >> Of course not. >> Okay. You didn't do that. All right. >> I didn't do that. >> Didn't do that. All right. And you're

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not an expert on the halon gas. I am not. and you're not an expert on zoning or I mean from how these people are zoned. My suggestion is this. I think the main problem is not the the systems. The main problem has to be because of

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our our questions on electrical and water is infrastructure. >> Actually the main problems are the CPUs and the GPUs. But go ahead. >> But it's a it's the in but it's the problem is the infrastructure. It's the p we all talked about the power. We

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talked about the noise. That's the infrastructure. >> Yeah. But what what is causing that? What is causing the fact that we need power? >> My suggestion is this. >> That there are people that are as experienced in infrastructure >> Mhm.

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>> Uh as you are in what you do. And I would suggest that we get a some kind of a third party to talk a little bit about about these problems and how they s and please and how that you were you were shaking your head. on how they on how they they must have

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had these problems in other places and maybe they can come up with some suggestions on how they solve these problems in other places. >> Okay? Because what's going to happen people talk and there if this doesn't work, somebody's going to want to buy uh

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something else at Hercules and that broker is going to say, "Boy, these people give us a hard time without having all the facts." I say we get all the facts and I think the facts are the infrastructure and I don't think we've got enough information and I think we ought to get some infrastructure people to come in and talk to us. That's it.

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You don't believe Okay, you don't agree. That's fine. >> You didn't say anything. >> You shook your head. >> I don't have to agree. >> Well, you shook your head. No. >> No. No. But do I have to agree with you? >> You didn't have to shake your head. >> Okay then. I agree. >> Okay. >> Sarcastic either. >> Thank you, Kath. Thank you. >> Okay. Are there any other questions

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before I close the public portion? All right. Being no other questions, I'll close make a motion to close the public portion. >> Some moved. >> Second. >> Roll call. All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. So, those of you who want to go

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home to your family, we're just doing mundane routine government stuff. You're welcome to say, >> mayor, I just like to make one comment. >> Yeah. >> In the early 70s, we didn't have any tax

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municipal taxes. We were totally supported by the utilities that we we were putting up with all of the problems. So, we got all of this taxes and then a governor came in who decided the state should take all that money. >> What I've heard tonight is the only reason for this is they're going to pay

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so much in taxes, right? >> Tomorrow that the uh any governor could come in and take it all away and that's and then our taxes would go right through the roof. Okay. >> So, nothing nothing is definite. >> Okay. All right. Uh administr um agenda.

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>> Yep. >> Okay. >> Authorization for the tax collector to refund taxes and cancel all subsequently build taxes due to 100% disabled veteran tax exemption for 10 Ritan A in the amount of $8,184.84. 17 Evelyn Terrace in the amount of $5,50.94

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and 24 Leam Circle in the amount of $1,2716. >> Any objections? Next item. Authorization to award a contract to 20 22nd Century Technologies for software maintenance through source well contract and amount

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not to exceed $38,778. >> Any objection? Next item. >> Application for a placetoplace and persontoperson transferred received from Peg Pub which is a P pocket license to Nexverta LLC and place it at 960 Route 9

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South and application for a waiver of compliance with ordinance 6-5.8 a to locate within 2,000 ft of another uh liquor establishment. Did >> this go through the police department? >> Yes. >> And what? >> Everything's all right.

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>> Everything's in order. >> Okay. Is there any objection? Okay. Next item. >> Coin toss request uh from the night OV Knights of Columbus on October 10th and 11th. >> Any objection? Next item. Application

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for a membership as a firefighter received from Aiden Wilson. Accepted by President Park Fire Company. >> Any objection? Next item. >> Request to travel received from Melrose Ho hose company to attend a fire mustard on June 21st. >> Any objection? Next item.

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>> Authorization to release the bond for road opening permit number 5710 to a serve done inc. >> Any objection? Next item. Requests received to hold a block party for residents of Roa Drive between Driftwood and Dusco Drive on July 4th from 2 p.m.

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to 10 p.m. and residents of Ridge A between numbers 13 to 20 on July 25th from 12:00 p.m. to 10 p.m. >> Any objection? Next item. >> Authorization to award a non-fair and open contract to top security locksmiths of Point Pleasant uh for steel doors and security keypad locks at the library and

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the amount not exceeded $19,72. >> Any objection? Next item. Authorization to purchase office furniture for the library from All State Office Interiors uh through Omnia contract and tips contract an amount not to exceed

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$58,122.86. >> Any objection? Next item. >> Authorization to award an unfair and open contract to Eva Water Technologies for air filtration system at the Eugene pump station in amount not to exceed 28,100.

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>> Any objection? Next item. Authorization toward a contract to pumping Services, Inc. for replacement of equipment at the Crossman Pump Station through North Jersey Wastewater Cooperative Pricing in amount not to exceed $75,860.68.

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>> Any objection? Anything else? Business administrators report. >> Progress, mayor. >> Thank you. CFO's report. >> Thank you, Mayor. Progress. >> Thank you. Burough engineers report. >> Thank you, Mayor. Five items this evening. First two, we're receiving bids for two projects before your next meeting. If everything's in order, we'd

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like to have contract awarding those two bids. >> Any objection? Next item. >> Uh items three and four. Two active project Kennedy Park walkway and 2004 road improvements. Looking for approval of change orders to compensate the contractor for extra work that was done at the request of the burrow. No change

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to the overall contract amount. >> Any objection? Next item. >> And finally, we're submitting grant application for the next round of DOT funding. We're looking for resolutions authorizing those grant applications to be submitted. >> Any objection? Anything else? Jay, >> thank you. >> I had one question for Jay. Can I

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possibly get a street paving for the year? What streets are going to be done for this year? >> Thank you. >> Okay. Uh burough attorney. >> Uh nothing this evening. Thank you, mayor. >> Okay. Uh at this time, I'll take a motion for adjournment. >> Before we do, I'd >> like to make a comment, please, before

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we uh we leave. Um, I just want to say that I I like that we're talking about the data centers. I think it's very important that we like the gentleman said that we get professionals uh and that we really really are making

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the right decision for Sarahville. Uh I think we heard this side and that side. I heard people in favor, people that oppose. Um, I know uh the gentleman Bill uh brought up a referendum idea and I think

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that we listen to this side, that side and we also have to listen to the residents just like John made a poll which was voted uh uh the majority against the data centers. So with that said, um I'd like to know if I can get a

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second on a motion for a referendum. >> Second. >> Third. This is this I think this strategy is coming to a straight from the state of Washington. >> I knew that was coming. >> Point of order.

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Rules of order number 15. No illusion shall be made to the motives acrewing from any member in the course of this debate or mayor. >> Why would you oppose to what the pe to hear what the people have to say? >> Jim,

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>> if I mean, >> mayor, again, point of order. If we don't follow the rules that we voted on on January 1st, then how do we expect anybody in this town to follow rules? and a second and a third owner. Uh so

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you guys are darn you're trying your best to put these guys. >> Mayor, you you were the one with the with the firehouse saying we needed a referendum, but when we say we want a referendum, we're wrong.

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>> Yes. I'd like to know what the residents think about this. >> Blair. >> Yes. I think it's a little premature. >> So for now, I'll be no. >> Novak, >> yes. Zarski,

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>> no. >> Zabowski, >> no. I'm very concerned that this is a political stunt and not a real issue. >> Again, point of order. >> I'm not I'm not allowed to comment. >> You go ahead and speak your mind. Oh, okay. >> I thought I was able to comment after my vote. >> You are not allowed to make any

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illusions as to the motives acrewing from any member in the course of debate. >> Okay. >> Well, I'll just talk about my thoughts then. My thought is is this is a this is this is not the appropriate thing to do. We've already acted because of what our residents have said. We heard what our

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residents have said. I don't think we need to have to go back and try to do a referendum which is nonbinding, meaning it has no legal force when we've taken action tonight to totally ban data centers for an 18-month period to be

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able to determine whether they are good, bad, or indifferent. I don't want to make this a political issue. This is an issue and that should be bipartisan and it should be an issue for our community, not made for political campaigning, which I believe it is. That's my

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thought. My thought and I'm no >> that we have tied vote >> 33 >> and I guarantee that in tomorrow, the next day under the heading of Jimmy Robinson, we're going to say mayor

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denied the residence referendum. Now, just remember Jenny, was it illegal for Jenny to be on a land board? Uh, it's illegal for Jenny to to work with children because he can't ask

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children back, but for whatever reason, colleagues think he is the oneeyed man in the land of >> Will the attorney please rule on my point of order. >> So, Jim, right away, buddy. right away.

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Apparently the people in Washington don't find you a proposed 70 year old >> just just so you I mean we had the referendum on the firehouse and we saw that the residents of this town even

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though the council was not in favor of spending that money the residents of the town wanted it and that referendum was able to change the mind of the people sitting up here. I don't know why you're so afraid of this >> representative government. I was helping out the historical society by by

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>> but now all of a sudden it's it's not worth it. I know. I know. >> Jimmy wouldn't have thought. >> Okay. Motion to >> what he always likes to say about women. >> That is so rude. I mean what are we

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children now? One motion to adjurnn. >> Really? >> To adjourn. >> No, I need one. >> Motion to adjurnn. Is there a second? >> No, I need one. >> Motion. >> All right. >> I need a second. He made a motion.

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>> Now, all in favor? >> All in favor? >> We're all gonna sit here and Okay.