John, did you >> grant us >> grant us the wisdom to make those decisions that are in the best interest of all our residents. May the heavenly father of us, Paul, bless those who have given the ultimate sacrifice in service
to our nation. And may he watch over and protect our servicemen and women now guarding the gates of freedom. from the flag. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, to the republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Statement of statement of publication. Take notice that this regular agenda meeting of the mayor and burough council being held on this 26th day of May 2026 has been posted and advertised in accordance with the open public meetings
act chapter 231 public law 1975. >> Roll call. >> Council persons Bair >> here. >> Novak >> here. >> Rios >> here. >> Snarkski >> here. >> Zabowski >> here. >> Okay. Approval of prior minutes of the mayor and council. Council president.
Mayor, I move that following minutes of the mayor and council, which is May 11th, 2026, special meeting in May 11, 2026, regular agenda session, uh, be approved on roll call vote, subject to correction if necessary. >> Roll call. >> Council person Zabrouski, >> yes.
>> Lumair, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Novak, >> yes. >> Rios, >> yes. >> Sarski, >> yes. All right. Tonight is a very very special night in the burrow of Sville and I would ask that the council go up
to the railing and s Councilman Sonarski you are running the show. >> Thank you mayor. >> So >> yeah you all right? >> Do you want some water? You're fine. have your first >> just making sure
>> your microphone. >> Thank you. >> Look at you. >> Good evening everybody. Tonight we have a very special night. We're honoring two people from Saraveville that are longtime Saraveville residents. The first one is
Flora Jean Nelson was born May May 24th 1926 in Tottenville in Staten Island. And whereas her family has moved from Staten Island to Fords, New Jersey. Whereas Flora and sister Esther lived together with their parents until 1951.
And whereas she married the love of her life, Otis Smithers, in 1951 and moved to Saveville in 1965. Whereas Flora dedicated her time being employed at Merk and Rawway until her three kids came along. Whereas her time
has then shifted to raising the joys of her life, Christine, Colleen, and David. And whereas Flora has made a brave and determined decision to become a nage at the age of 46. Whereas she graduated the top of her class from Charles E. Gregory's School
of Nursing. And whereas Flores spent the next 34 years working as a nurse in Ron Bay Medical Center in Peranley, retiring at the age of 80. Whereas she spent her life helping others and maintain stability for her family, living with her family home
until 1965. She bought on Kendall Drive in 1965 and still lives there. >> Yep. >> Until today. And whereas today's Florida favorite activity is watch baseball with her favorite team, the New York Mets. She has one other f she has one other
favorite thing. She loves lottery tickets. And and the traffic was so bad tonight. I had one more special gift. I was going to pull a lottery ticket out of my pocket and give it to you, but I couldn't make it here for our meeting in time. So I promise you I'm going to give you one. Whereas now, therefore, I, Kennedy
O'Brien, mayor of the Barrow of Serville, extend my heartfelt wishes to Flora as she celebrates her 100th birthday and ask the residents of Sarville to acknowledge this memorable milestone. so much. >> I appreciate this.
>> Oh, this was this was great. We're waiting to do this for you. >> Thank you. >> Next. See you soon. >> We have another one tonight. It's going to be a little easier for me than that one. It's going to be John Prisil. Please come up, please.
>> John has been a friend of mine for his entire life. We go back way back in time to the 70s even. We used to play darts together in serville bar and all the Bill's Tap Room and all the local pubs. But whereas John Princeo has been a lifelong serville resident and whereas
he decided that he followed the American dream and opened up his own business. Whereas he opened up Sable Seafood in May 11th, 1983. Whereas John come up with his own recipes for some own food. Showed great commitment by doning a lot of food for
Memorial Day to a lot of people and a lot of other places. Whereas his restaurant has been a major hub for updates and finding out current news in town. Whereas servil seafood in Delhi recognize as many as the oldfashioned hangout in the morning. The only thing good about servil seafood closing my
cholesterol is going down because of all the bacon and egg sandwiches that I don't eat no more. So I got some statistics for John. Whereas over 40 years in business, John up whipped up some many incredible statistics.
Just think about it. 10 dozen eggs each week from out to 249,000 eggs. 10 pounds of bacon a week, it's 20,800 lb of bacon. 50 lbs of fish a week, it's 104,000 lbs of fish.
300 clams a week, that's 624,000 clams. uh just that John has actually had probably 10,000 clams at the PBA picnics that he's opened up for when we had the big picnics. Whereas John has been an
exemplary friend and be sorely missed. Now therefore, I Kennedy O'Brien mayor of Burrow Sable hereby extend my heartfelt wishes to John Pasbilo as he celebrates his retirement and ask the residents of Sirville to acknowledges this memorable milestone. John,
congratulations. I present I present this to you. Thank you very much. >> Good job. I got to put this back. Hey, John. John, if I miss you this year, John and I share a birthday. Happy birthday, my
friend. >> That's the best part of the meeting. >> I need a motion to accept the first proclamation for Flora Jeans Nelson's 100th birthday. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Council persons Novak. >> Yes. >> Lumare. >> Yes. >> Police.
>> Yes. >> Rios. Yes. >> Narski. >> Yes. >> Zabrowski. >> Yes. >> And I need a motion to accept the proclamation for John Prisbilo's retirement. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Council persons Novak. >> Yes. >> Mayor, >> yes.
>> Lisi, >> yes. >> Rios, >> yes. >> Sarski, >> yes. >> Zowski, >> yes. >> John, you had something. >> Thank you, Mayor. Um, I think it's probably on everybody's tongue as of late. if you're reading the newspaper, if you're watching the news, and Hervey
brought this up last meeting, is data centers and the issues surrounding the uncertainty of what they're all about. Um, if you read if if you look in the national news, they're talking about tariffs and they're talking about regulations. Regulations because they're
not truly sure what to do because of using of natural resources that most locations have right now. on the state level, uh they're looking for ways in which to um to tax and tariff and and what have you. Uh and at the end of the
day, I think we've all collectively have spoken with members of our community, not all of them, but most of them. And I think the consensus is is one of two things, which is all to one side, and that is number one, you just don't want them. Or number two, there's just simply not enough information, and you don't want them until you find out more about
them. Um, so with that in mind and Herby, you you can either move or or I'll second or I'll move and you second. I I personally would like to move for a moratorum for data centers in the bureau of cereal. And what that would be is we
would change our ordinances both for zoning as well as redevelopment so that they would be banned. I would suggest that they be banned for a period of time because we obviously don't know what's going on. Uh so banning them for the future I don't think would be
appropriate. We're banning for a period of time, let's say I'm going to suggest 18 months so that we can study and get more information. If we don't have enough, we can extend it at that point. But I think it's reasonable uh to have a collective conversation to maybe be able
to get some tours and be able to learn more about what's going on before we make that decision on behalf of our community which I think is a very huge decision. So I'm going to be asking however you want to do it to make that uh this evening for a request for an ordinance change.
>> Well um thank you. Thank you. Thank you for that. Uh what I what I want to say is this. Um I don't think just a ban for a certain period of time is necessary. What we need to do is um what I proposed before to make it prohibited using all
zones in the ball including redevelopment zones. However, um the reason we don't have to make it for a certain period of time is in the future when they find ways to be able to cool off the CPUs and GPUs that don't require
so much energy, we can always revisit this because that's what we want, right? We want to be able for to use um these uh energy. Actually, I'm all for data centers, by the way. I just don't want them here because I know what they can cause. So bending them for a certain
period of time is for 18 months is not going to be enough. Uh however, if we ban them until uh anytime in the future we can revisit this. Yes, I agree with that. >> Yeah. The reason why I ask for a period
of time is because that recreates the obligation on the burrow's part, whether it's Sarah, whether it's council, whether it's planning board and our professionals to come back and ensure that we always get an answer. Just because it's 18 months, doesn't mean that it won't be extended a longer time,
but I really don't want to miss the opportunity for our folks, our professionals to be able to give us good information to make those decisions. So, that's just my reason why I gave it. I I understand but but but remember the the number one issue with computers I've always been and actually it's going to
get worse has been uh the uh heat distribution uh because what happens is people are forgetting uh everybody wants faster pro processors right remember back then you could blah blah blah but now faster processors but nobody's thinking about
how to cool them off so now with quantum computing around the way uh even that we that's going to be even worse than what we have now. So I'm uh it's not that I'm I'm against the 18 months. It's just the fact that in 18 months nothing's going
to be done. uh again when when the time comes and they find a way to be able to cool off uh these GPUs and these CPUs, we can just you know like to actually welcome them in town because it will it
will help uh sustain uh AI which is uh the future. >> Hey John, you want to make a motion? I'll make a motion for a moratorum on data centers that would affect both our zoning ordinance as well as a redevelopment um plans in town.
>> The moratorium for what length of time? >> My suggestion was 18 months. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Council person Zabowski. >> Yes. >> Lumare. >> No.
Kesi. >> Yes. >> Novak. Um, I don't believe 18 months is is enough. Unfortunately, I'm I'm very skeptical. I, you know, is it, you know, it's just
putting it off. Well, it's >> right now. Right now, if an application would have come in tomorrow, it'd be too late. I think we should do this ASAP and I think it should be just done and that
way it at any time we could change it. There's no reason to put a time limit on it. We could change it in a year if we wanted to if something came up that new technology or more information came out on it. But I think 18 months is not
enough. I really think it should be a permanent ban. So, I'm going to say no. >> Rios. >> So, before I make a vote, I have a question I guess for the
attorney. Um, would this um affect the time of application rule? Meaning if a developer submits an application tomorrow or within this 18 months, would that prevent them from moving forward?
>> It would it would prevent them from moving forward if they filed anywhere from the adoption of that that ordinance until the end of the 18th month period unless it's extended. That's the same if if we did a total ban. The total ban wouldn't apply even if it was voted on today because it has to be adopted by ordinance. So it wouldn't be uh in place
until that that ordinance doing a total ban is adopted. Uh anytime before then the time of application rule applies and if they filed before that gets adopted then they would be uh allowed to move forward with their application. So, we're still open. >> We're open that ordinance one way or the
other gets adopted >> cuz I just want to make clear that I'm not against technology and this could be good, but the information that I have now and to put
them right next to a town of 47,000 people, I'm not for. So I I >> I mean we got to move forward so so we can we can nip this. So I vote yes. >> Mayor, may I change my vote because I I
would I know this isn't going to if we vote on this and it's a tie or anything. It's I'd rather have 18 months than nothing. Zack, >> wait a minute. It's getting confusing here. >> I don't believe it's right, but it's
better than nothing. >> She She's asking to The vote is still on the table, so she uh the council woman's asking to change her vote. So, >> is that all right? >> Yes. >> Councilman Lammore, if you want to reconsider. >> Uh, no sir. Because uh one of the things
is everybody's talking about the noise. You can hear it 3 miles for an average of 3 miles, but that's an average. When you if you have this in Brooklyn, Staten Island, the noise is going to be there, but you're not going to hear it as much. However, in the suburbs, what happens
here after 6:00 p.m., anybody knows it's dead silence. So that 3 miles is going to have to transit to six miles. You're going to be hearing this thing that will drive you crazy. and and and people will not be people will be moving out of here.
Okay, we're talking about uh um raising temperature ambient temperature of your of the area where you live. Uh every uh our bills was skyrocketing and I'm not exaggerating where it could be 200%.
Why? Uh somebody asked me the other day a very important question. If the company is willing to pay their electrical bill, why will it affect us? I'll tell you why. Number one, the grid's not designed to handle data
centers. So what happens? The utility companies, what do they do? They make the grid up to par, but it costs millions of dollars, right? So then what do you think happens? Do are they going to say, "Oh, well, we're not going to." No, they're going to pass that bill onto
us. Unless it's a total ban, I cannot go along with it. Thank you. >> And the final vote. >> Sarski, >> I am a yes vote, but I have a comment on it. I am pro- industry in Saraveville. Saraveville is declined so much that we
just were in a meeting tonight how much our taxes are going up and everything else. We need more ratables. We have a time limit on this for the 18 months. I am for that. And like John said, we can extend it if necessary if we get to that point. But I am pro industry. I need
more ratables in this town. I think half the people that are complaining about these data centers would have never allowed DuPont, Hercules, SAT, Essex Chemical, you insoustics, any of the buildings to be factories in this town. We would be we wouldn't be Saraveville
the way we are now without all of the industry that we had. And yes, I agree some of the environmental problems that we have to deal with now and everything else, but there are so many families that made livingings out of all of these towns, fathers, husbands madeings in DuPont and Hercules and everything else.
Yes, there's problems with the grounds. Yes, there is. But now we're dealing with it. I understand that. But that's how this town was formed. Sarin Fishers, all of these industries, national le. >> Yeah. But I I am a yes vote. >> But but those they create jobs. uh those
industries you're talking about, the only people that are going to be in those data centers are going to be security guards, physical security guards protecting the data of all these companies. So the jobs are temporary. The building during the building phase, yes, of course, but once that stopped,
that's it. For instance, those warehouses we got on Chisquake Road, they can turn them into data centers whenever they feel like it. >> But the tax rate versus a vacant land is going to be higher. There's going to be more taxes coming into the burrow. >> Yes. or we can have other things on there like a nice golf course for
instance. Okay, so again tax rates are great and and but you also have to understand to look at the benefit of people's health and this noise will drive you crazy. >> Mr. Mayor, I just want to make one comment. Uh far as I know, there is no
warehousing in the community of Sarble that would be applicable for a data warehouse center. Oh no. So I I just let's be careful that we think that that's going to be converted. >> Oh, no. >> I don't want to I don't want to bring any fear to anybody that that's the next step. >> No, no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm
explaining how easy it is for you to convert anything into a data center. >> Okay. Um what the final vote? >> I won. >> Okay. Uh next order of business is executive session.
>> No, we have executive session. We have one item. Uh I I had a motion that we go into executive session just for a few minutes to clarify one of the things on the consent agenda. >> Uh well we have to specifically identify it. So it will be regarding resolution uh because we have to identify the the
justification number. It's the um the very last one. >> Yeah. 161 regarding uh pending litigation uh with the mo litigation. So that is the justification to go and exec. >> You going to read it Jessica? this one right now.
>> See a few minutes. >> Joe has it committed to memory. >> I did. >> I did it. >> Oh, less than that. >> Yeah. Whereas section 8 of the open public meetings act, chapter 231, public law 1975, permits the exclusion of the public from a meeting in certain circumstances. And whereas this public
body is of the opinion that such circumstances presently exist. Now therefore, it be it resolved by the mayor and burough council, the bureau of Seville, county of Middle Sex, state of New Jersey, as follows. The public portion of this meeting is hereby adjourned in order that the governing body may meet in close private session for approximately 5 minutes to discuss
the following matters. Resolution 2026-161. Following the conclusion of said closed session, the governing body shall reconvene the open portion of this public meeting to consider any other matters which may be properly brought before it at this time. The nature and content of the discussion which occurs in closed session shall be made public
at such time as the need for non-disclosure no longer exists. This resolution shall take effect immediately. I need a motion. >> Second. >> Second. >> Did you second? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> No. I got a call.
>> Uh, council persons Novak. >> Yes. >> Lumare. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Rios. >> Yes. >> Sinarski. >> Yes. >> Zowski. >> Yes. Motion to go into open second. All in favor? >> Novak.
>> Yes. >> Lumare. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Rios. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Zowski. >> Okay. Under old business, uh, resolution received from the several planning board following a meeting held on May 20th, 2026, finding the burrow's affordable
housing and development fee ordinance consistent with the burough's master plan. I just need a motion to receive and file that. >> Make motion to receive and file. >> Second roll call. >> Council person Zowski, >> Blumare, >> yes. >> Liy, >> yes. >> No,
>> yes. >> Rios, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. Public hearing on ordinance number 8-26, an ordinance of the Bureau of Seville updating and amending the bureau's affordable housing and development fee ordinances pursuant to the amended fair housing act and the new
UHAC regulations. >> At this time, I'm going to open the public port. We do have the planner here um if there are technical questions, but at this time I'll open up the public portion for any questions or comments on this ordinance. Are there any questions
or comments? There being no questions or comments, uh, Councilman, Council President, I'll >> move the public hearing be closed. The ordinance adopted on second and final reading and advertised according to law. >> There a second. >> Roll call.
>> Council person Zowski, >> yes. >> Blair, >> yes. >> Liy, >> yes. >> Novak, >> yes. >> Rios, >> yes. >> No appointments, no new business. >> No. Okay. At this time, I'm going to open the public portion for questions
and comments on the resolution. So, if there are any questions or comments on the resolutions, please raise your hand. There being no comments, I'll entertain a motion. >> Oh, I'm sorry, Mary. >> Basically got the same question. Have we
paid JCPNL yet? >> Okay. Uh, I think a motion to close the public portion. wanted to. >> I think there is. >> No, Eloy. >> Oh, Eloy. >> Eloy. >> Oh, no. Wait a minute. Ladies first. >> Ladies first.
>> Ladies first. >> Ladies first. Come on up. >> Hello. >> You want my name and address, right? Yes. >> Judy Lurman, 146 Pilaski Avenue. >> I've lived in this town my entire life, four generations, and I want nothing but
the best for this town. I just retired in December from Fully Caterpillar and my job for the last 20 years is in the power systems division. My biggest clients were data centers. So I do have a lot of information regarding
data centers. >> Judy, this this portion is only about the consent resolution. >> Oh, >> when we do when we do the public portion, >> I'll give you the high sign and you come up. >> John, I'm blaming John. >> Okay.
Aloy. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council President Browski and Councilman and Council Women. Tonight, I want to thank the Burough Council for your cooperation and your partnership with the board of education as we come together to support this important joint resolution
affecting the rising cost of healthcare. This is an issue that transcends the board of education, transcends the burough council. It ultimately affects all of our taxpayers. The relationship between the bureau and the board of education has always been a strong one built on communication, collaboration,
and a and a shared commitment to our community. Whether it's through shared services, joint initiatives, or community events, or advocacy efforts like this, we continue to demonstrate what can be accomplished when local governments work together.
One of the things I truly appreciate is the open lines of communication between the bureau and the board of education. I always know no matter what issue arises, I can pick up a phone and call and the mayor and the council will will always be there to answer in a positive and
collaborative way to resolve whatever issue or collaborate toward towards a project. And I want to thank you for that deeply. Your level of cooperation and commitment is invaluable and speaks volumes to the leadership of this board.
We've worked through so many important matters together over the years and I know there are many more opportunities ahead in the near future to continue to strengthen our partnership for the benefit of the residents of Saraveville. I especially want to thank Mayor O'Brien and Council President Zimrosski for their strong leadership and continued
collaboration with the board of education, not only on this important issue, but on so many matters that affect our school and our community as a whole. Your willingness to work together and collaborate is truly appreciated. As healthcare costs continue to place an increasing pressure on local budgets,
school districts, municipalities, employees, and taxpayers, by standing together tonight, we are speaking with one unified voice. We are sending a clear message that the meaningful actions and reforms needed at the are at the state level. I'm proud to
stand alongside each and every one of you this evening as we advocate for the residents of Sarable and continued strong partnership between the board and the council. Thank you, >> Eloy. Thank you, Eloy and I. Um, we're
we're friends on many levels. So, there there was a new restaurant that opened up in Seville at the top of Ernston Road. It's called Latin Port and they make all kinds of Latin dishes. So, I called up the president of the board of education whose family is from Cuba and
I said, "Let's have lunch." So, we did. And I'm a rice and bean guy going way back. And uh we had a delightful lunch, a delightful lunch. And um I just want to thank Eloy. By the way, I don't know whether it's the appropriate time, but
let's just get it out there. Um, I had I had a the last half a year I've been I've had a lot of medical issues and I was lying I think in the rehab and my phone rang and it was the fella who uh a year or so prior I had gone Glenn and I
had gone to his ribbon cutting down on Lower Main Street across from Sabert and he he essentially had created a bus depot and he had a client and they were renting it from him and He called me to say that the client lost the contract
and had no business. So, I contacted Glenn. Glenn contacted Eloy. And Eloy, the rest of the story is yours. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, since we're still working out the details. I don't know how much we can say, but I just want to say that's a perfect example of the
collaboration. I know the bus depot's taken a lot of attention recently and everyone does doesn't always see what what happens behind the scenes. Um I always know that I can pick up a phone and it gets answered by everyone on on this board and especially you Mr. Mayor
and your efforts on that have been and and Council President Zrowski were integral in making this event be able to to to move forward as we get closer to the resolution. Um it's going to be very positive impact on on our community. It's an excellent location in in in so
many ways. Sometimes things like in life happened for a reason. Um, every other option that presented itself before would not nearly have been as positive as as this one. So, things have worked out and that's that's a direct result of the collaboration between the board and the burough council.
>> You still haven't said what it is. >> The >> Yeah, mayor. I don't think we can at this point. >> Oh, we can. All right. Oh, >> yes. We're still working out the >> Okay. Okay. All right. Well, I spoke too soon, but I want to thank I want to thank the president of the board of
education for always being there. And as he and I share the same philosophy, they're our kids and everything is about our kids. They're not his kids. They're not my kids. They're our kids. And and we're here to do what's best for our kids together.
>> Absolutely. >> And and it it's really great, Eli. if I if if I spoke too soon. >> No, no, >> we we understand your excitement. Okay. We understand your your excitement here. >> Well, I think it's just it's really what
happens when when everybody works together. >> Absolutely. It's another great example. >> I'm I'm sure you got a little Latin blood in you, by the way. >> I I do. I do. Except I can't salsa. >> Okay. >> Maybe maybe Albert can help you with
that one. >> All right. Thanks. >> Thank Thank you. And thank you everyone. >> Okay. Are there any other questions? >> I just wanted to say to Eloy uh >> Eloy maybe we can work on some interlocal agreements too to save we used to have interlocal agreements on landscaping and stuff like that. Maybe
we can sit down and work on something like that to save us both money. >> Would love would love to talk to you. I mean there there are certain shared services that that we do now collaboratively and we're always open to more. Absolutely. That's an absolutely great I would love to sit down and have a conversation with you.
>> Thank you. Thank you. And thank you for all your support of our veterans, Councilman Sonarski, Councilman Khesi, and Council President Zrowski. Your support of our veterans in light of Memorial Day, I thought should be noted. All of you have always been
exceptionally supportive of our veterans, and I know personally your families have served and given so so much to our country. So, please thank you. >> Thank you, Eloy. Are there any other uh questions on the res resolutions? Being no other questions, I'll entertain a
motion to close the public portion. Mayor, I'm going to close the public portion, but I do I am asking that resolution 2026136 uh be pulled for this evening. Um there
is some noise ordinance issues related to this business license uh that I would ask that the uh police department further investigate um before we make a final uh uh approval on this uh on this
matter. >> Right. Are there any objections in pulling that for further uh review with the police department? There being no objections, >> I think we should have a second and and >> is there a second? >> Second. >> Okay,
>> let me um >> Council Person Zabrowski, >> yes. >> Blair, >> yes. >> Khesi. >> Yes. >> Novak. >> Yes. >> Reos. >> Yes.
>> Dinars. Yes. >> All right. Now we need to >> move the public hearing be closed and the consent agenda resolutions be approved on roll call vote. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Council person Zabowski. >> Yes. >> Lair. >> Yes. >> Liy.
>> Yes. >> Noac. >> Yes. >> Rios. >> Yes. >> Narsi. >> Yes. >> Motion to accept the correspondence >> listed. Motion to accept. Is there a second? Roll call. >> Council person Zabrowski.
Bumare. >> Yes. >> Lissi, >> yes. >> Novak, >> Rios. >> Yes. Before I vote, I just had a question on the uh on D3, the uh notice of virtual public hearing to be uh for the Middle Sex County Board of County
Commissioners um for the inclusion of the Middle Sex County Solid Waste Management. Uh specifically, I want to understand whether this increase in capacity will result in more daily truck traffic through our area. Uh what protections are in place to ensure that
there are no negative impacts or residents? Um any explanation uh that can be provided so I can better understand this? Uh >> I'll try to get that Okay.
>> Uh, yes. >> Sinars. >> Yes. >> Mayor and council reports, administration and finance. Councilwoman Novak. >> Yes. Um, as we all know, uh, we failed to get a
second on the budget last meeting, so um, we're still operating on a temporary budget. We did have a workshop tonight prior to this. Um there's no consensus on just that we would like to get it lower. We have given direction to both
the business administrator and the CFO to uh go line by line and see what we can take bring down. We had a few things that uh might help. nothing that we're doing is going to uh help this drastically
uh than it is now, but every penny counts. And uh I trust them to come back at the next meeting, maybe even before that, they can give me a call or I can call them and we can uh discuss anything that uh might help bring this down. We
started at 25 and a half. were all experiencing the same problem was primarily um uh healthcare. Um but they did bring it all the way down to 16 cents 199 cents down uh with their hard work and we're hoping to reduce it some
more and hopefully maybe even at the next meeting we'll be introducing a new what we promised Danielle that we won't keep doing this. We we're going to come to a resolution and take care of that. Uh also, um there was some problems at
the last meeting. There was a salary ordinance that I had some problems with. Um it wound up not passing. I know that this salary ordinance is necessary. I just was not happy with it in its state.
I had asked some questions and uh like did everybody start at the same amount? And I was told yes. And after working with payroll over the past couple of weeks on all of the different information, it some people start at 65, some people started at 80, some people
started at 72, some people started at 70. So the information that I had gotten was incorrect. But I would like to do I'm going to touch base with uh the business administrator and make some time for me to come in because this has to be written. It's just I want to work
with him so that we can get it done in proper format. uh a lot a lot of things are just not making any sense to me. And uh you know there there were people that received two contract raises in one year
and other people that didn't and it it's very very confusing. So, um I mean and at a time when we're in such a budget crunch, um to have a lot of new, and they are basically new,
uh manager positions added, um I really want to nail down this uh salary referendum and get it taken care of because it's something that has to be in place. It's something that we should have done back in uh 2023. it was not done and unfortunately we just
compounded it by creating three more of these positions without a salary ordinance. So, uh I will be working with Glenn. I know he's probably a little annoyed at me, but we're used to that, right Glenn? We go back too many years. Okay. Uh other than that, Mayor
Progress. >> Thank you. Public safety Councilman Blur. >> Thank you, Mayor. The Seville Police Department would like to highlight several important community initiatives and upcoming events taking
place throughout our B. First, the Sville Police Auxiliary has officially launched a new website. The Auxilio Auxiliary Police continue to play an important role in supporting community events, traffic details, emergency
operations, and public safety initiatives throughout Saveville. We encourage residents to visit the new website, learn more about the organization, and consider volunteering to serve the community as a member of the auxiliary police as a member of the
auxiliary police. Their dedication and commitment to public service are greatly appreciated and continue to strengthen the partnership between the police department and our residents. Additionally, we would like to remind residents about significant changes
involving electric bicycles, commonly known as ebikes, which will take effect statewide beginning in July 2026. Under the new regulations, operators must be at least 15 years old and
possess a valid driver's license, ebike license, or permit. Ebikes will also be required to be registered through the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission and carry power proper insurance coverage. Helmets will now be
mandatory for all riders regardless of age. While licensing and registration are not yet available, the state has advised that the process will begin in July 2026. Riders can sign up on the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission website
to receive email updates regarding the process be begins and how beginning and how registration and licensing will work. We strongly encourage all residents to begin preparing now. Stay informed of the new requirements by
visiting the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission website and continue riding responsibly to keep our roadway safe for everyone. Lastly, the police department is proud to once again partner with Serville Schools and the Governor's Council on
Substance Use Disorder to host Camp Willoughby 2026 for students in grades 1 through 5. Camp Willoughby will take place from Monday, June 29th through Wednesday, July 1st at the Saveville Police Headquarters. This program is
designed to provide our youth with three days of positive engagement, education, and activities focused on healthy decisionmaking and living a substance-free lifestyle. Programs like Camp Willoughby are an important investment in our young people and
reflect our continued commitment to community outreach, youth development, and prevention. and education. We encourage families to take advantage of this outstanding opportunity. The fire department would like everyone
to know on August 1st, the department will be celebrating the 100th anniversary of the Morgan Hose and Chemical Company with a parade in the Morgan Regular Area, same route as the Little Parade on South Pine Avenue and Woodland Avenue. After the parade, we'll
be gathering at Burks Park for food and beverages. Yay. For the whole community for a small donation of $20 per person under 13 years of age will eat free. There will be shirts and challenge coins available for purchase to commemorate
the occasion. And in the spirit of bipartisanship, I yield to Councilman Zubski to talk about the LOSA. >> Thank Thank you so much. Um, you know, sometimes we do bicker up here and sometimes we don't always agree, but um
I think there's one thing that we all always agree on is that uh we are forever uh in uh in debt to our first responders. Uh yesterday we all attended uh the memorial for the four firefighters um that passed away since
the last year and it was a memorable event. Uh but it also brings to mind that there is an issue of recruitment and retention that we need to address because otherwise uh the numbers are going to continue to be depleted and at some point uh we won't have those
wonderful volunteers to turn to. Uh so I'm going to ask collectively for our u our council uh to move forward with a public referendum to increase the LOAP to a full LOAUP
contribution uh which would be put to vote to our uh our citizens of Savel uh which would if if approved would begin I believe next year be would be budget year 2027. So again having no impact of this year uh
just for we've talked about this before it's only half a contribution right now and I think that that's been existence chief for the last 30 plus years maybe 40 plus years I'm not really sure >> 1990s so um I think it's time and and
I'm hoping uh that we have everybody's support to at least move forward with the with the referendum >> second um I have a question is this just for the firemen or is for the first stator too >> be inclusive of what how the current ordinance is. So Mary, if that's first
respon uh first then absolutely because uh uh you know how many calls they go through a year. >> Used to write a thousand a year. >> Tilly went a motion. J >> I think we had a motion in a second. >> Motion and a second. Okay. Roll call.
>> Council person Zabowski. >> Yes. >> Blair. >> Absolutely. >> Kesi. >> Absolutely. >> Novak >> twice. Yes. Rios. Yes, but I have a quick question. Uh because I looked into this and it um I guess for the uh for
the attorney, is a referendum uh required here? >> It's required if we're going to increase the bureau is going to increase the contribution higher than what was originally approved by the original referendum. So that that would be what would trigger a new referendum. If we're not going to increase higher than what
was originally approved, uh then we wouldn't need a referendum. We can just do it by either ordinance or even resolution to be tech uh technically depending on the the way we're going to you know the method of we're going to doing it and how much >> will this will this referendum just say we're going to exceed the old number or
will it say a specific amount >> it will say it has to say another not to exceed amount. >> Okay. >> So we would basically set another cap that we can't then then the bureau has the ability to work within. >> I mean my vote is yes but if this if this is the right way then of course. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. If if there I can say if if there is a way that we don't need a referendum, it can be done. I will advise, but I I I don't have those figures and everything in front of me, but it's something I will look into. And if it can be done without referendum, >> I don't see a referendum going, you know, the other way. But yeah, go ahead.
>> Yes, >> mayor. Say something >> on the kind of the same subject. I've been working with u uh the speaker's office, uh Craig Coughlin. um he was unaware that um auxiliary police are volunteers also. He thought they were on
the order of special police that get paid. So I asked him and he says he's going to work on including uh auxiliary police in with this but it has to be done state first. We're only allowed to do it for firemen and first aiders right now. So we are working on that because we are having a hard time although I
really was very impressed that we did get some new auxiliary members. I saw that on the Facebook page. >> Thank you council councilwoman. Uh, anything else? Councilman Bammore. >> That's it. >> Thank you. Public works. Councilman Rios. >> Good evening, Mayor and Council and
public. Uh, first I'd like to recognize National Public Works Week, which runs from May 17 through May 23rd. I want to thank all of our public uh public work employees for everything they do for our bureau. uh a lot of their work happens
behind the scenes, but it is extremely important and appreciated. Uh also like to mention that the Memorial Day parade was a great success yesterday. Even with questionable weather, the skies clear up just enough for the parade to be completed. I want
to thank everyone involved in organizing the event and all the residents who came out to support it. This year's grand marshal was Commander Dan Vardales of Serville VFW Post 4699 who served in the US Army for more than two decades.
He spoke about the importance of remembering and honoring the brave men and women who made the ultimate sacrifice protecting our country. After the parade, there were celebrations open to the public at both the VFW Post and the American Legion
Hall. Uh actually I was lucky enough to win a pair of tickets of one of the raffles. So uh very uh hopefully I don't have to report that on my financial disclosure statement. Um something else that was brought out to my attention
involves uh CO alarms and emergency calls handled by engine number one and the rest of the engines. Uh there have been a large number of calls including some in the middle of the night caused by bad batteries on detectors uh that
have gone beyond their recommended lifespan. Many detectors have not had batteries changed in years or the units themselves are expired. Um, one resident suggested maybe adding reminder notices to the back of the water bills that go
out four times a year, reminding residents to check their CO alarms and replace batteries or expired units when needed. I think it's a simple idea uh worth exploring so we're not relying on our volunteer fire department to respond to avoidable maintenance related calls.
Um, I was told that there's been a number of calls 2 or 3:00 in the morning, they go, you know, in the house and it's just that the detector needs their bad, you know, the batteries changed. Uh, so maybe we can do some sort of a uh public safety
>> and, you know, educate the the public. A lot of people come from, I was told, you know, they come from the city and they have somebody that takes care of that. All of a sudden, they have a house. they don't even know that they have a detector. So maybe just reminding uh the
public and that's going to relieve the uh the volunteer fire department from going out to houses just to change batteries. Um finally uh this Saturday we officially kick up our summer concert series with a great Michael Jackson
tribute band. Uh we invite everybody to uh everyone to come out and enjoy the night. There will be music, lights, food vendors, and a great atmosphere for families and residents to enjoy. That's this Saturday, 6 o'clock, Kennedy Park.
Hope to see you all there. Um, and following up on that, I just wanted to follow up with Glenn and John. Um, I know we were communicating about this the streamlining the processes for vendors. Um, I just want to know where that stands. I know I was provided. I
don't know if you saw my email uh with not some factual uh uh discrepancy. Uh but I just want to be make myself clear that I'm not suggesting we reduce or eliminate necessary protocols. I just want to be fair to our vendors because
at the end of the day, being fair to our vendors also benefits our residents. So, uh, it it helps keep our community events strong and accessible. And I just want to streamline the process so we have more of a,
you know, opportunities to have good food vendors and not make it hard for vendors to be a part of our our um events. Um, so with that, I think that's uh that's all. Thank you. >> Hey, Councilman Rios, a little housekeeping.
who was assigned to uh cultural arts. Is it you or is it Councilman Klesi? I always thought it was Councilman Klesi and he would give the reports on cultural arts. >> I I this is not a report. This is just a >> I understand it, but he's your colleague sitting right next to you and and if he
if it's his committee, let him give the report. That would be my opinion. You are certainly free to do what you want to do, but it's a little rude to your council council partner right there. >> It's a little what? Rude, rude, >> rude. >> I'm not doing a report though.
>> I don't know. That's not my committee. >> Okay, that's >> I'm just giving a shout out. I'm very excited about the the the upcoming events and I'm just trying to like promote them. >> As far as vendors go, we have a list of vendors that pay by the year >> and are free for they they service
everything that goes on. If you have an individual vendor that only wants to do one thing at a at a time, that is certainly their prerogative. But we're not going to change what we do for the food trucks. >> Not asking for change. >> Okay. The other thing is we're
particularly not going to reduce fees or eliminate fees when we have brickandmortar people in that business that uh don't that contribute a great deal of money and employment to the people and the kids of several. It it's it's the local
>> Well, like I stated, I don't >> want anything changed. I just want to be fair and you know comparable to other events >> more several has always been more than fair. >> Okay. Just wanted to make sure that we stay there. >> Professionally you should defer to your
uh colleague sitting next to you when it comes to his committee reports. >> That my opinion but you're you're free to do what you want to do. >> Sure. >> Okay. That being said, is there anything else? Councilman Rios, >> that was it.
>> Okay. Councilman uh Klesi, Recreation. >> Okay. So, I'm going to start off with the Office of Aging um in recognition of uh May being declared uh older Americans month and we're almost done in May. So, the Office of Aging is proud to
celebrate our senior community with our annual senior day celebration which we all attended. It was a wonderful event filled with live entertainment, dancing, lunch, and countless door prizes bringing together so many members of our
community for a fun and memorable day. So, um, Council President uh, Zabrski, Councilman Sarski, myself, we wanted serving our seniors personally. Also in
attendance uh being served was Councilman Rios, Councilman Blemore, and Council Person Novak. So on Friday, May 22nd, the county also hosted its annual
'9s birthday bash honoring residents that are age 90 and over with a special lunchon celebration. So the same day we offered at the senior center or or the what do they call that the office
>> active adult center they also hosted um its uh annual ' 90s birthday bash honoring residents aed 90 and over with a special lunchon celebration. So um uh that's that day. So they offered a
move to get fit program to encourage our seniors to stay active and healthy. So in addition, early voting will be taking place at the active adult center in that banquet hall throughout this coming week. Now, so
that'll be going on this next 10 days. Looking ahead to June, we have several informative programs and activities scheduled, including a uh an acupuncture seminar on June 3rd, a cataract
awareness seminar hosted by Robert Wood Johnson on June 8th, and a hearing seminar on June 10th. And there's also a bus trip to the PNC Arts Center on June 11th. So, um I don't know
what's happening there, but they're um the the active adult center is also hosting a wills and estate seminar on June 15th. As always, the office of aging remains committed to providing educational programs, wellness
opportunities, and social events that support and enrich enrich the lives of our senior residents. So, uh, we're looking forward to another exciting community event with our cruising at Kennedy Park Classic Car
Show taking place, uh, tomorrow from 6:00 to 9:00. We invite residents to join us for trivia night on Thursday and from uh, 6:00 to 8 at the Mickey Sedlac Building.
that promises to be a fun evening for the whole family and pre-registration is required to attend and you can do that pre-registration on the recreations website. In addition, our farmers market continues each
Thursday, don't forget, and remains a great opportunity for residents to shop local and support our community vendors. And that's all I have for this evening. >> Thank you. Water, sewer, environmental councilman.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Uh, it's pretty standard in water this month. Uh, we're around the average 140ome million gallons this month. Um, what I'm still working on, which I've not finalized yet, I do want to clean Darnell up and it's going to happen this summer. I'm
going to gather with the Boy Scout leaders and I'm going to whoever else wants to volunteer. We'll supply some bags and some lunch for for everybody that volunteers and we're going to clean up around the Dharnal Dam and and make the place look a little prettier. Uh the farmers markets stepping along pretty
good. There's over 40 around 40 plots. There might have been a couple left. If somebody needs something, they can get in touch with me or Anton or somebody. We can get them set up. Other than that, progress mayor, we're doing fine. to uh planning and zoning at Councilman
Zra. Council President Zabowski. >> Thank you, Mayor. I have just two quick items. Uh at the last Sarah meeting, uh Sarah passed a resolution requesting that the Middle Sex County Department of Transportation uh conduct a review of their current
Main Street widening program. Currently, the widening goes up to the Kaplan development and then it goes back in almost like an hourglass before it goes back into the Main Street extension. It seems counterintuitive at this point that you would extend it so far, but not
all the way to the ex Main Street extension and and our attorney uh pointed out that there were some reasons for that recent litigation and what have you. At the end of the day, it would serve for at least some relief for congestion going out of cereable,
particularly in the mornings. So, I'm asking if it's okay if Jay could um work with uh the plan with um the our um engineer from Sarah uh to collectively on moving forward with um requesting
from the uh uh Middle Sex County DOT if that's acceptable. I don't know if you need a resolution or or that's okay. >> No, >> no, I you would need a resolution. >> And then finally, the last item I have is, as you know, yesterday was Memorial
Day and the week before was actually graduation at West Point. And we have uh one of our uh actually former council people that was uh a West Point graduate uh and that's uh Lieutenant Colonel Stanley Draw, former councilman. and
last week uh he celebrated his 50th graduation from West Point and I just want to congratulate him and I think we all would do the same. Uh that is a wonderful one of the thing to be able to do to say you're a graduate of West Point and we appreciate his long ext uh
distinguished career um in the services as well. And that is my report. >> Okay. Thank you council president. >> I have one more thing. Go ahead. Uh this be reference to Jay if Jay if you're going to be talking to the engineers or whatever about Main Street extension and
the light and I'd like to bring up Crossman Road on the record that Crosman Road traffic light if it worked the same as the one by Dunkin Donuts and Raron Street that traffic on Main Street in the morning would be alleviated. I've already sat in Quick Check parking lot
in the morning. There are no cars coming out of Crosman Road North or South, but you're backing up the traffic on Main Street all the way up to Sununglow Bakery. The light works on a timer if it was flow proportionate or set at a different time where it can work better. And I've been bringing this up and
everything else, but now it's on record. Let's let's see if we can get this light the same way the Raron Street light works. >> The county actually has a project that's under construction to replace that traffic signal and upgrade it. So, that that is in the works.
I know that I had convers a car will come out and 18 seconds later the light will finally change for one car. I think that needs to be, you know, looked at again. I don't think it has been since it was installed. And I know it has to be installed for a while before they will go and look. And I
think we've reached that now. We discussed that once before, right, Stan? That light too. That that was a problem. The Sable Boulevard light back in 24. >> I remember. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I'm nowhere with the Crossman light. That's my main problem.
>> Okay. >> Two lights. >> All right. Uh my report last meeting there there was um >> really some misunderstanding about the budget and who votes on the budget. Uh I I've sat up here a long time and I've
had this uh come my way before, but I asked the attorney to give an official legal report on who votes on the budget, who doesn't vote on the budget, and some of the legal ramifications if we don't get the budget passed. The councelor,
>> uh thank you, mayor. Uh yes, for under the burough form of government, which is the government here in Seville, uh the council adopts the budget. The mayor does not vote on the budget. not even to break a tie. The budget is adopted by the council and requires twothirds of the entire governing body, which means a
minimum of four votes to adopt the budget. Um the budget under the new most recently amended law uh amendments to the bud to the local budget law is supposed to be adopted by April 30th or the next gen uh next regularly scheduled
council meeting thereafter. Um the historically the division of local government services gives municipalities uh time uh beyond that they don't start you know uh enforcements right away understanding that budgets can be difficult and timeconuming uh for
any budget adopted after April 30th it does require that it gets sent to the um director of the division of local government services prior to approval they have to certify it or he has to he or she has to certify it when they certify it then the governing body may adopt the budget within 10 days after
receiving certification from the from the uh director. Uh that being said, also at any point after April 30th, like I said, historically the director and the division of local government services doesn't uh look to enforcement right away, but at some point the they
can issue an order. They have under the budget law, they uh he has the ability to issue an order uh requiring a municipality to adopt a budget by a date certain. If they don't do so, then they can be subject to fines. The fines can be either levied against the burrow as a governing body or individual governing
body members. If the however the director sees it and whether there are certain governing body members that he sees are causing the the issue of not adopting the budget, it's very subjective. It's all going to be depending on their his in his department's investigation. Uh but those
fines can uh have increased since the recent amendment and can be up to $100 a day. Um but like we we're not in Sville, we're not at that point. I'm not a at least I'm not aware of any order issued by the the division or any uh pressure being given by the division at this
point, but it's just something to keep in mind because at some point that will happen. they the division will um uh get involved uh give usually it will be informal at first then it will be an official order and if they don't if the bureau can't comply with the order then
there can be fines that can be imposed. >> Okay. Thank you counselor and with that we'll go to agenda items. >> Okay. application for a social affair permit received from Morgan Hos and Chemical Company to serve beer and wine at their 100th anniversary celebration
on August 1st from 12 to 6 at Burks Park. >> Any objections? Next item. >> Point toss received u from SBC Riverdogs 12U gray on June 13th and 14th. >> Any objection? Next item. Authorization to award a contract to Magic Tuck Touch
Construction Company uh for holding cell maintenance and improvements in amount not to exceed $226,39452. >> Any objection? Next item. >> Memorializing an emergency purchase of a replacement UPS for the Rarin Avenue
radio tower from SHI International Corp. Uh in an amount not to exceed $21,34121. >> Any objection? Next item, >> application for membership as a firefighter received from Oscar Kasakowski, accepted by Engine Company at their May 8th, 2026 meeting.
>> Any objection? Next item. >> Authorization to increase the contract rate for GK Landscaping to 103,16644 in accordance with NJSA4A1-15. >> Any objection? >> I just have a question. Why is there an increase? >> Is there a specific reason why there's
an increase in this? >> Um when we extend their contract, they um for the additional year under local public contract law, you can increase it up to an indexed amount and that that is within the index. >> In other words, we're we're rolling over
basically their old contract but with a a higher rate. >> Yeah. >> Everything else remains the same. >> Yep. >> And they were the only ones that bid. Am I correct? >> Uh no, we had there was multiple vendors that when we did bid it. Um but this contract was um re I think another
companyought >> bought them out. >> Next item, >> authorization to award a contract to LBJ Interior Solutions um to repair and place flooring in the Department of Public Works and Senior Center and amount not to exceed $47,3335.
>> Any objections? Next item. Authorization to purchase a sweeper from MTE Equipment Solutions uh in amount not to exceed $51,92320. >> Any objection? Next item. >> Authorization to award a non-fair and open contract to EMR Power Systems of
Trenton for generator maintenance in amount not to exceed $35,379.87. >> Any objections? Next item. Request >> people are aware these are all things that were on last year's budget. Correct. the capital. Yes. And I think one of them, the sweeper is being paid for with
grants. Uh the EMR power systems is a renewal. >> Next item. >> Request received from Maj Majis Sedar to have all fees wave for their prayer service tomorrow. When >> and at this point, I don't even know where they're hosting this prayer
service. >> Kenny Park. We we haven't received everything. We have no insurance. We did, but we didn't issue the permit until they supplied everything and they
have not supplied every insurance to us as of this afternoon. >> So there are two things. One about waving the fees. Is there any precedent for a religious service to have the fees waved? So, the prayer service in Kennedy
Park, they have always paid to rent Kennedy Park. They pay $1,000 to rent Kennedy Park. Any other fees? >> What What does that cover usually? That usually covers the DPW guys. >> I'm sure. Yeah, I don't exactly know what it >> I would if it covers the police, but
>> um I do know that uh recreation did state to me that we do not wave any fees for any board of education. um that the PTO's who host picnics at Burks Park. The only thing that we have waved so far for religious um organizations here like
Staint Stands, their special event fee and like the use of our stages. >> Okay. >> But it's everything is held on their property. Nothing is really held on our property for those for those other religious organizations. So, the first
thing is to deal with waving the fees for the prayer service. Um, is there a motion to wave the fees? >> Also, with the $1,000 that usually >> I I have no problem with waving the fees, but I have a problem with I mean,
it's tomorrow and they have not they don't even have a permit. So, I don't know how we wave fees on something that isn't even permitted right now. And we did send an email out to Shamir this morning um just confirming trying to see where he where it's being held because
we were hearing things that they were it was going to be held at the school. So I don't he never responded back to us and I know Brian has had countless emails with him, you know, asking for the information. >> Right. So the past practice is we don't wave fees. Again, it's a separation of
church and state. Uh we don't wave fees. Um, so let's take a take a vote on waving the fee. If someone would make a motion um on this uh you know, is there uh
councelor if you would state the motion and then I'll ask for uh you would state what the motion is. >> Um yes, mayor. Uh just to clarify, their request is to wave all the fees including what they've paid in the past, the 1,00. So the
>> So the the motion would be for whether or not the council will or whether the council agrees to wave all fees in connection with their prayer service to be held on May 27th at whatever location the final application is for. Typically, it has been at Kennedy Park, but if it is at another location, there may be
different fees that are applicable. But at this time, all we can do is wave the fees that would be applicable. We don't know what they find. >> Yeah. The other location they're looking at is a board of ed education um property. >> Okay. Does anyone want to make this motion? >> I'll make the motion. Now, um the other
property um that's not that's not under our control. So, that would not apply with it. >> Right. >> That's not under control. Well, like I said, I had, you know, um one of our parks guys, I don't I think said that
they were hearing that they were hosting it at um the board of education at the high school. So, that's why we we sent an email this morning to verify, but again, Brian still doesn't have all the insurance for the vendors also because they do have blowup rides, I believe,
there. I just asked the counselor, do we even since nobody knows really what's going on? And they have not responded to us, do we do we even need to engage in in this thing or just >> I mean the motion would be very speculative because we don't know what
that really would be. So I mean unless there's a strong feeling from the council to move forward with waving whatever those may be, it would be my recommendation not to because we don't know what we're actually waving at this point. >> What do you think, Councilman? I I understand. No, if it's because if it's
the board of eds um property, it has nothing to do with us. So, >> they have to apply separately. They have to apply separate fees. I understand cuz the last I heard was it was going to be held at the Kennedy Park. >> Yeah. And they they usually give us, you know, all the insurance and all that.
And then I don't know if they were expecting everything to be waved, but those insurance requirements wouldn't be waved. >> I understand. >> All right. So, >> excuse me one second. What What are the hours from this event tomorrow? 7 a.m. to 2. >> Oh, because the car show is supposed to be at night. >> Yeah. No, this is 7 a.m.
>> All right. Thank you. >> So, do you wish to remove the motion? >> Yes, sir. Being that I don't know where it's going to be, >> it's just logical since we don't really know what's going on. Okay. Uh, does anybody we'll just not take action on
this? Is that the course of event? >> Yeah, I mean this is under the agenda item uh portion of the agenda. So it's whether or not the council wants to move forward with this to be on the you know either approve it or and put a
resolution on for the next >> we did do a resolution approving the special event pending that we don't release the special event permit until they do ABC okay and D. So nothing has been released to them that resolution we did pass. I don't know. So then just no
action needs to be taken at this time. >> Okay. All right. >> And then if if it comes up at the following meeting, we can deal with it at that point. >> Okay. Then I'll go to the business administrator's report. >> Uh I only have one item, mayor, and it's an update on the uh first town hall
project about a week ago. I met with our burough engineer and our burrow architect. Uh and the assessment of whether we can continue with the project has been completed. Structurally, we're in a good place. The things that were proposed in the original schematic will
fit and will work under the prevailing circumstances. So, what I need from the council tonight is authorization to have uh both the burough engineer and the architect prepare proposals. Uh for the architectural uh aspect, it would be uh
USA architects. And then for site, civil, mechanical, electrical, plumbing, and structure that would be through our burough engineers office at CME. Uh they would prepare these proposals and bring them back to the council for consideration so we could take the next steps moving forward with the project.
>> Is there any objection to this? Is there any objection to this? Being no objection, move forward. >> Just as a question, I didn't hear you. Seem to be >> I did not. We're just looking at this moment for proposals. So not a dime will be spent until those proposals are
reviewed by the council at which time you'll have the opportunity to make the do the >> No, this will just be a proposal. >> Okay, that's >> okay. Are there any objections of this moving forward? Okay, next item. Glenn, >> that's all I had. >> Okay, CFO's report.
>> Thank you, mayor. Progress. >> Okay, burrow engineers report. >> Thank you, mayor. Two items. The first is the golden age development which is on Gond Drive. They previously posted a bond to guarantee the completion of the street lights. That work's been completed. So recommending a resolution releasing that bond. Second item is the
annual well maintenance and redevelopment project. You're receiving bids before your next meeting. So if everything's in order like a resolution awarding the contract at your uh June meeting. That's all I have. Thank you. >> Thank you. Burough attorney's report. >> Nothing further. Mayor. Thank you. >> Okay. At this time, I'm going to open up
the public portion for questions or comments on any and all issues. There's a five minute limit. >> I thought I No, she left. >> She's She's like, >> "Yes." >> Okay. >> My name is Jazelle Shioone. One ridge.
>> I can't hear you. >> My name is Jazelle Shioone from One Ridge. >> I just want to reiterate what you said. There's nothing that you can find out in 18 months. Nothing. And I'd like to put it on the board that you should not vote
on this again in the future. Things might change, but you should take data centers out of Seerville at least for the next 5 years minimum until things change. 18 months is a blink of an eye. You wouldn't know anything. Construction
wouldn't even be finished in 18 months. That's all I have to say. >> Thank you. >> Anyone else? I'll get you, Ken. >> Okay. The lady in the corner. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, we know from last meeting. >> Go ahead.
>> Judy Lurman, 146 Palaski Avenue. Sorry, I got up here prematurely. >> Could you could you pick the >> Sure. Can you hear me better now? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, I've been looking at a lot of social media and I did look at the last council
meeting regarding data centers. I just retired in December from a Caterpillar dealership and my job was a product support rep for all standby generators, which I was surprised that nobody brought that up um in the
discussions about data centers. So data centers, it's true, they're going to use a lot of power and from what I'm being told because I've been looking into some of my electrical contractors that I, you know, used to work with um and my data center folks that I dealt with um before
I retired just to get some, you know, updated information. Um I can tell you that um in the components of a data center, my portion was the power infrastructure. So that's the
backup genens, the uninterrupted power systems, which is the UPS, which are bad batteries that keep these um data centers running until if they lose utility power, which they cannot use lose power because they lose data. It's
running through there like so fast. Um it's a big deal and they are very very diligent in their upkeep of their facilities. So, some of the comments I heard were buzzing, roaring, we'll never be able to stand
the noise pollution. Um, that is I've been through very large data centers. You had mentioned Bloomberg. Um, that's one of my customers, was one of my customers. Um, I've been in their data center in Totoa before it was even um,
commissioned. I had the data center down in Dayton. Um, I had all of Verizon and Branchburg and I've been through these data s I've done tons of projects with the data centers. There is no buzzing or humming in a data center from the
servers. I've walked through them many times. What I'm thinking is that people are misunderstanding humming roaring is the backup generators. So with that being said, um the state of New Jersey is
probably one of the strictest states when it comes to all of this. The I had to provide a lot of um information to the customers when they're building data centers and every 3 years they have to, you know, get new permits.
those those enclosures that they're in are sound attenuated and they do measurements on how much noise they put out. Everything has to be documented. They have to keep very very strict um logs on fuel management. I mean, there's
the I don't want to go down a big rabbit hole, but what I can tell you is I reached out to one of um the electrical contractors who right now is working with Amazon right outside of Trenton. And I don't know if any of you are familiar with that project, but it's a
big project. These data centers are going to happen whether Seville allows it or another town allows it. Um so um they are willing and they do I I said how can councils make you know
informative decisions on these data centers if they don't have enough information. I may be able to get um Alan Brightway he apparently has some a division in his company that is going to
offer some tours the data centers that are in place right now. The security is so high you I know everyone here has driven past the data center. You just don't know it. They're not marked. The security is you have to go through Brahms sniffing dogs in some of them. I
mean it's it's tight. So I I would never probably be able to arrange that, but I might be able to arrange for um some tours or even just some information that could help to make a better decision.
I'm not saying that I'm for or against a data center in in Saveville. Um, one thing I would say is that as a taxpayer and a resident, I wouldn't want to see them get like a pilot program because these are billion-dollar companies that
do get funded through their investors on Wall Street. They have tons of money. I think it would be a good flex for them to bring power to the data center and enhance our power grid. I mean, I don't know if that's going to happen. They might say, and we're going to go
somewhere else. But that's just some of my thoughts. But I can tell you that I I can see that most of these people do not understand what data center is and how they operate. So, >> I'd like to answer that. May I?
>> Okay. My qualifications since 1999, A+, MCSC 4, MCSE 5, MCDBA. I've been doing this for what, 29 years now, >> right? >> Um, >> you don't know what that means, but Okay. >> Microsoft certified system engineer.
>> Okay. >> And now uh I'm I'm doing uh um Oracle Fusion. >> Mhm. Uh when you say they don't there are no noise coming out of the servers that is uh not entirely true. Uh if
you've ever when you were what happened is this ever since white took I mean uh uh 911 what happens uh for instance our I work for down state hospital in Brooklyn. Our down state hospital in Brooklyn. >> Okay. our our back uh what it is is that
you had this of since 911 when people were losing uh data and of course they were able to to bring it back right right up because that was part of a data center that they were able to they they lost a few you know uh not as much uh
information as as they would have if they it didn't have external backup that's a big one on Staten Island that's where I go when you say uh uh security site you're not kidding uh because you have to have a week in advance driver's license sniffing dog
sniffing dog uh dogs and and so on and so forth. Yes. However, uh um I have a half a solution for the power hungry data centers. What the these companies can do half a solution what they can do is then they can give us all solar power
and then they can use whatever they want. But then, okay. No, but you you you're asking. Okay. But you have a you still have an issue. The issue of heat. Like I said before, everybody's trying to get faster processors.
>> Mhm. >> But then they're not coming up with solution to keep the heat down. So, so and if you cannot keep the heat down, what do you have to do? You have to raise the power to be able to get all
these things to cool. And then again with quantum computing coming on board. That's a thousand times worse. Yes, they do hum. I don't know about, you know, or the other terminologies, but they do hum. Yes, they do. And this is not me
saying that. You can look it up. If you were to Google something right now about data center, they tell you three miles. You can hear it from three miles. Like I said before here, everything >> servers. >> Servers. Yes. It's not just one server. Remember, we're talking about thousands of them, >> right? I've walked through I walk
through uh Verizon has rooms and rooms of servers. >> But but but I I work I I work there for days. Okay. Setting them up. And >> so the humming is also the cooling fans. >> It's not just Well, the cooling fans,
they are also in the servers as well. they they're cooling the CPUs and the GPUs. And of course, like you said, the cooling fans, the whole the system too actually extracts the heat and dissipate it. That's where the noise is coming from as well. So, yes, they do make
noise and they will drive you nuts. If you live in the city, it's a lot less. But if you live here, it's crazy. Okay. Like I said, I can solve their their issue in terms of power hungry because they can incentivize us all to get a
solar pan. No, that's great. But then what do you do about the noise, the water usage, uh the to to cool and then I like you said the backup generators, right? If they if they use generators, so now we're talking about gasoline and all that other stuff. Okay. >> Diesel.
>> Uh diesel. Yeah. So then that's going to spew even more chemicals in the air. So yes, they they well >> we'll agree to disagree because I can tell you that the EPA is so regulated on fuel and emissions and I have provided
tons of spec sheets from only from Caterpillar because that's the that's the word for but >> but the backups I'm talking about I'm not talking about the main one. The main one they use the grid and of course and the other solution they can have is that if the the power company says okay that
we'll upgrade the our grid will be up to par except these companies will pay for it. Us the taxpayers in town will not have to cuz you know they will uh pass the course on to us. Well, I just think that right now everyone should get more
educated on them because I I'm sorry. I disagree with with a lot of what you're saying. >> Okay, that's that's fine. Which is fine. But what what ed unless unless you can come up with something that says our CPUs don't need that much heat, then
then we can talk until then you are creating more more powerful CPUs. quantum computing everybody knows about that requires more energy, more heat. So, how in 18 months you'll be able to have something unless again, like I
said, there's something going on that we don't know about because right now, >> I can't speak to cooling systems. That wasn't my forte. Mine was the standby power, which was a big important part. >> Well, the cool the power, right? >> In order to cool it, you need power in order to, you know, to to keep everything cool.
>> All right, we're going to move. >> All right, we're going to move. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Yes, young lady. >> Good evening, Mayor and Council. Sue Mcitis um from Food and Water Watch. I'm a volunteer. Uh I just want to thank the
mayor and council for approving uh the New Jersey uh Make Polluters Pay to Make New Jersey More Affordable Act. I congratulate you on that. Uh we're working hard to get that passed through the state legislature. uh and with your support uh that will go a long way in
helping us do that. So, thank you. That's it. >> You're welcome. >> Thank you, >> Ken. >> Thank you, Mayor Kendall. Servil, I'm not going to debate data center because quite frankly, I only talk about things that I know a lot about. Uh I do know
data center is a broad general term. I follow the issue very closely. I own Amazon. I own Google. I own Meta. I own Microsoft. So, I follow the issue closely. And there's a lot of debate about citing them all over. But one most recently that I'm familiar with because
I passed it pretty much every time I've gone to the Poconos. It's western New Jersey to the the the town was uh just across the border in Pennsylvania. A lot of uh a lot of uh uh blowback out of it.
Uh but what I want to turn this to is is and I agree with Councilman Blemer uh and whoever this young lady here that's 18 months is is just uh comes and goes. That that's that's kind of a joke to me.
But I I think we need to talk about a level of trust. Uh and I saw that last meeting. I don't normally watch them on tape, but I saw it. and and mayor, you you you're lecturing Rios. Let me tell you, I don't think you did a very good
job of dealing with uh C with Councilman Blemer here. I think you you were quite demeaning to him. And I think that's the problem with this governing body. And uh my comments are not from Seattle. They're not from Chicago. They're not from Atlanta. And they're not from
Dallas. They're from sitting here in the audience. And I want to tell you why there's a a problem with trust here. I want to go uh I want to go to the meeting where you approve the pilot that pilot for the Chase Quake mega
warehouses and see what people really think about that. Now Glenn, our business administrator, he he did a very good job of impersonating the little Jack her. Uh
remember Jacker, he put in his thumb and pulled out a plum. Glenn beat that. He He pulled out his draw and he came up with an application for a pilot for for the data for for for the mega warehouses that cost the barrel over $und00 million
over 30 years. He pulled out of his draw. The problem was it was overdue by years. I've talked to attorneys and they say the the application should be in before ground is broken. And you know what? The warehouses were up. uh
Councilman Zabrowski here uh he did an impersonionation of John Kerry with John Kerry remember his famous uh deal that oh I voted uh I voted for it before I voted against it well well Councilman Zabrowski he reversed that around he
voted against it before he voted for it and when he voted for it just happened to be after he'd been reelected uh so that's the kind of stuff we're getting Councilman Councilman Scarens is Councilman Sonarski, excuse me, Councilman Sonarski here. Uh I remember
him talking about, well, we have to give a pilot. We've got to give a pilot to uh the uh the storage facility on Highway 3 because they're next to a because they're next to a culdeac. Did anyone see that storage facility?
What What is the What is the What is the ground use there? What? What is the is it a 99.99% that they've occupied there? We gave them a pilot. You got to be joking. And then you talk about the taxpayers.
And I think that's the problem. This governing body and some people on it, they have no credibility. Remember what happened next door on the firehouse and the mayor campaigned against that. Councilman Sarski, he couldn't see spending the money. They got no problems
blowing the money to the people with the money. All the developers, they got no problem saying I I I I I uh So I think they talk out of both sides of their mouth. Yeah, I agree. We need we need more raidables, Councilman, but we don't
need raidable balls that are going to go after our families and and and our quality of life and living in Sarah. And that's where I think you're going wrong. And that's where too many of these people are talking out of both sides of your mouth. And you know what? People
have caught up to it. They see it. They saw it on the referendum here. They see it on everything else. So, I just wanted to talk a little bit about some of the things that have happened and how people are talking both sides of their mouth up here. Thank you. >> Can I address Ken for one second? Ken.
Ken, stick around for one second. >> Sure. >> I talked to all of the residents in Morgan. I can take you to 25 different residents that live between Wayne Speed and Sport all the way up to the Monahan house and they thank me every time for I know we gave them a pilot and everything else but every resident in every house
there sleeps normal now because they are not up to 3:00 in the morning when those Brothers three and the Abyss and all these other places were living there. They love it now. >> And yes, yes, yes, it cost us. Yes, I voted for a pilot for >> having a problem.
>> But my res I'm more concerned with the residents of Saraveville's living than a pilot for them. >> You're giving people a I'm not against pilots for something that that you can't develop. Can't that that owner came here and talked about oh how he couldn't sell
his property, etc., etc. Listen, when I make a mistake, when I make a mistake in the market and buy something, I've made plenty of them over the years. You know who bails me out? Nobody bails me out. I suck it up. And you bail, you want to bail people out. That's the problem with
>> Do you think I'm paying for police overtime now? Every night of when those clubs were open the way they used to be. We're saving thousands of dollars for the overtime for the police. >> That That's great. But my issue is not that. It's with giving them >> the Wait a minute. The only issue I had
with with that uh public storage place being there was more I was more concerned with the Morgan first aid as far as losing their property and parking and everything else and they accommodated us. They put a gate there. They got special parking for us. So I'm I'm fine with this one. I really am.
>> What's the lot coverage on that? Councilman Zabros, this must have come before Sarah. What's a lot cover? 99.99%. >> Well, actually it came before Sarah before I was on Sarah. >> Oh, it did? Oh, I'm I'm sorry. I I I can't. >> No, but there are but there were other
council people that were on Sarah at the time. So perhaps you may want to ask them. >> Yeah. >> Or don't you want to know? >> I I don't have enough time. >> Or don't you want to know? >> Pardon? >> Do you want to know? >> Do you want to know is the question. If you're asking the question, you're
asking it to me. But I wasn't a coun I wasn't on Sarah at the time, but there are other council people that were. If you're asking the question, do you still want to know the answer or not? Perhaps someone has that answer for you. >> Well, if they do, I'm I'm willing to listen to >> I don't know. Were you on the council? Were you on Sarah at that time?
>> Yes, I was. >> Do you know what the lot coverage was? >> I don't know the exact lot coverage, but I know it was quite extensive. >> Yeah. >> When you when you ride by there, it's amazing the lot coverage on that from what I've seen. My eyes are still pretty good. Even though, as the mayor would
say, the old people Yeah. Dopey people, you know, dopey people with no lives that come to the meetings. Thank you. makes the point. Is there anyone else? Bob. >> Okay. Bob Egan, Elizabeth Street. What you failed to mention, we want
raidables for sure. And you said people wouldn't have had Hercules or whatever. You got to remember when National Ed Dupants and Hercules and even Sarin Fischer were here, it employed this town. It employed South Amboy and South River. You're not going to employ
several South Amb and South River with people in those data centers. Totally different. And I'm a pessimist. I believe that somebody went to lunch already on this. But I can't see why they have to burn up water and that
train would be thrilled, I think, to put chiller plants on these facilities. Plus, instead of boosting up our electric bills, which they say that happens everywhere, tell them they got to put in gas turbine electric
GE would be loved love to lease it to them. I'm sure. And I have one question. Why are high voltage poles going down Menink Avenue right now? Do you have any idea? >> Yes. About 18 months ago, Jersey Central came to us and told us that they were
going to put in a new line to their grid. Uh that would triple the capacity of the current line. It will bict the Hercules property. It's not for that. It's going to points north. And they needed to upgrade their utility poles to handle the new >> I thought possibly something was already
in the works with >> No, you'd be incorrect. Why not? >> You're incorrect. >> Okay. And thank you for bringing John here for a proclamation. Great guy. going to miss him for sure and everybody else is too. Thank you.
>> Is there anyone else? Being no one else, I'll entertain a motion to close the public portion. >> So moved. >> There second. >> Roll call. All in favor? >> I. >> Before I go for adjournment, uh I just wanted to say something. A number of
years ago, I was at the DuPont plant uh and I was with the plant manager and in our conversation I said, "I understand that you have some openings on the shop floor at which it was a very good paying job at the time." And he said, "Yes, we
do." I said, "Boy, it would be really great if you got in a in a couple thousand more of those jobs." And this is what he told me. He said, "Duant out of Delaware at a corporate headquarters had said they would never invest another
manufacturing job in New Jersey." Couple of months ago, Hercules after 125 years closed their facility. National lead closed their facility. Sarin Fiser Brick closed their facility. There's a
transition happening. But I I always estimate in every hundred years a town gets to reinvent themselves and that which is old and no longer fits the mold is replaced which that is which is current for however long it remains
current. And I've felt for some for many a year that that's the phase that serville's going through. Manufacturing in New Jersey uh is is a lot less than when I was a boy. When I was a boy, there was automotive.
There was a Ford plant in Edison. There was a GM plant in Lynen. There was all kinds of manufacturing. They're not there anymore. I don't know why, but they're not there anymore. So, we have the governing body have the duty to help
guide and reinvent the town. I couldn't tell you if it's data centers. I've asked the environmental commission to take a very hard look at it. Uh I I was with hundreds of people the other night.
Um both uh electricians and people that have had things to do with data centers and and they give a positive report. It's I understand why. Uh all that being said, I think we owe it
to ourselves and we owe it to the rest of the people. And as Eloy and I have had conversations, every school in Sville is at least 60 years old. All right? And at some point,
um, they're they're going to need to be repaired or replaced. And you have to say to yourself, you can't always put this tax burden on the back of the homeowner. It it just there comes a strangulation point. So
this whole thing this whole thing about pilots and p the the town loses no money on a pilot program. It actually gets more money. It just it just works out more to our advantage. But I've had conversations
with with Eloy as has John and and and Mike. And our thing is they're all our kids. So we may bring in more money on the pilot side, but the kids need a school. they they need it replaced or
repaired or refurbished. The money has to come from someplace. We're working together and what we're trying to do is bring in a new Sville that is is profitable and does not choke the
homeowner. And that's what everybody forgets. Taxes are going up uh this year uh both bec because the the uh cost of medical insurance has just skyrocketed and medical insurance is contractual.
It's not it's not an option. It's in the contract and between the schools and the borrow it's going to be um uh it's going to be a large increase. Uh that being said, you you can't get a grant to
subsidize operational costs for a burrow. It's they don't exist, nor would they give it to you. So, we have to find new ways of revenue. What and and these the these data centers came up. They're in the news. They're wildly
expensive. Uh, and the question is, would would you rather have uh uh would you rather have something that pays you a small amount of property tax or a large amount of property tax? I I have a tendency to go for the large amount
because of the services that the burrow provides. So, all that all that being said, I I think the 18month is a very solid approach. Let's let's hear what everybody has to say right now. What
we're hearing is emotion. It's bad. It's evil. When I was a kid, they would do the Twilight Zone would do how human beings were going to be replaced by computers. Uh and and it didn't listen,
jobs changed, but uh nobody got rep, you know, you got retrained, a new business opened up, and that's the nature of of uh mankind, and that's particularly the nature of America. uh you know the trades that that were
around when I was a young man just aren't there anymore. All that being said, let's take time. Let's let's study it. Let's hear it. A and at some point, you know, you you can always reup the 18 months. Uh
a and what what this is saying is we're studying the the the subject matter. Uh, and that's what I would ask everybody to take home with them. We're studying the subject matter and it's it's open for opinions and there are a lot of opinions
both pro and con and at some point you make a decision based on what you know. When the Jupiter power plant was here early in the century, there was great concern about humming and noise. The Jupiter plant was taking power off the
grid. They they had a cable that went under the Ritan River out into Rariton Bay over to Long Island. Uh where it came up, followed uh the the Wanto Expressway up someplace and then all
that power from New Jersey which may have come from the coal plants in Ohio producing the electricity was lighting up Long Island. A and we were very the the redevelopment agency was very concerned about noise about different
things and they requested from the developer that they bring them to a a comparable plant and they did the comparable plant happened to be in Northern Ireland. They took the redevelopment agency over there. uh the
ladies in the group at that time I I didn't go I was doing enough international travel in those days um they took their shoes off inside the facility to to test for vibrations to test for noise all that stuff and they came back and they gave it you know this
is okay this will be good for serville and it has been good for seville pays a nice pilot puts no kids in the school very few cars on our streets it was a good thing so why I don't understand this objection for
looking, listening, and learning. Uh it it's fear, fear of change. And we have to get past that because for the most part, when I when I meet people that are have young families and and we're talking, I go, listen, I'm not the
future. You're the future. My job is to make sure when your kids are older and and you want to get involved in local politics that you're not going to inherit uh terrible stuff. My thing is to make sure that we're prudent, that
we're honest, and and and that when it's your turn, and your turn will will come when you know it's your turn, and you will come and you will run for office, and you will get some of you will get elected, some won't. But you are the future. And I try to I try to do this
for the future of Sarville. I'll be 73 in July. I'm not the future. I'm the present. A and and I try to make that very clear to people. It's it's the younger it's the people in in the parents or the people in Elo. They're
the future. The students in Elo school, they're the future. You know, when when I hear all these old people who are very frightened of change, I know they're not the future. They were the past and they had their turn and they had their time.
So anyway, all that being said, I think it's a very good thing. It gives several a chance to look at who we are, what we are, what we want, where we're going, and is for the future. All right, that being said, take a motion to adjourn.
>> Is there a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? Thank you everyone.