Good evening everyone. I'm going to call the meeting to order. Would everyone please stand for a short prayer and a salute to our flag? Almighty God, grant us the wisdom to make those decisions that are in the best interest of all of our residents.
May the heavenly father of us all bless those who have given the ultimate sacrifice and service to our nation. And may he watch over and protect our service men and women now guarding the gates of freedom. Salute to our flag. I
pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Jessica's statement of publication. Make
notice that this regular agenda meeting of the mayor and burough council being held on this 21st day of July 2025 has been posted and advertised in accordance with the open public meetings act chapter 231 public law 1975. >> Roll call. >> Council persons Bala >> here. >> DC >> here.
>> Noach >> here. >> Roberts >> here. Sarski >> here. >> Zabowski >> here. >> Okay. Council president if you would do prior minutes. >> Thank you mayor. I move the following minutes of the mayor and council be approved on roll call vote subject to
correction if necessary. The May 13, 2025 receipt of bills, June 16th regular agenda and executive sessions and July 8th receipt of bills. >> Second. >> Okay, now we're going to go to call. Council persons Roberts, >> yes. >> Bala,
>> yes. >> His >> yes. >> Novak, >> yes. >> Sarski, >> yes. >> Zabrski, >> yes. Okay, we're going to go to proclamations and presentations. Tonight, we're having a presentation by Go Netspeed. So, if
you would come up and introduce yourselves and your company, appreciate it. Is the mic there? No. >> You want to use that one or you want to raise the handheld? >> It doesn't matter. It's up to you.
>> I'm short. Either way, it doesn't matter. Hold it like you're singing at a lounge act in Vegas. >> We don't want me to sing. >> My name is Judy Chin. I work for government affairs. >> We buy expensive ones, but you still have to hold it very close to your
mouth. >> I'm going home now. >> Go ahead. >> My name is Judy Chin. I work for government affairs for Go Net Speed. Um we are here this evening to introduce um some of our fiber internet that we would like to bring into the area. So, um, do
you have a clicker for the next slide? >> If you just say next slide, I'll >> you can go to the next one. >> You can. >> Thank you. Um, so Go Net Speed is one of the largest privatelyowned fiber optic internet providers in the Northeast. Uh,
we are not just a typical provider. Um we bring true fiber to the premises infrastructure with gigabit speeds and symmetrical service which basically means in layman's language um our upload speeds are just as fast as our download
uh which is critical for today's home you know schools infrastructure businesses and everything else that makes you know serville the community that it is today. You can go to next. So, we are currently um we have 600,000
customers across the country. We're in 10 states. We are expanding into New Jersey. Um we are making assessments in some nearby areas such as Old Bridge and South Amboy. Um Seville just happens to
be pretty well positioned and in what everybody is assessing in our engineering department for the next wave of investment. We can go to the next. Thank you. So, this is just a simple example of what
you would typically see. Um, and that would be a home. You would literally have a Wi-Fi router in the house. Uh, there would be a drop cable fiber optic out to a pole line. And then that pole line in the comm area would have just a
simple fiber attachment. and we would have then somebody come to the house make sure that it's connected to offer the services um as ordered. So we can go to next please. Thank you. So our engineering materials
we use top grade um we have galvanized steel strands we use Corning ultra optical fiber uh we bring in as best that we can to replace aging infrastructure and to provide services that are um definitely a service that's
not as easily interrupted as the old infrastructure. So this is just some of what we use. Um I don't know that it would be much of any interest except to to you Glenn. Uh but if you go to the next slide,
that is typically what a comm area on a pole would look like. So if you look at the top where the pink uh indicator is. That would be an actual go net speed attachment. So there's really no difference in what you would see in your
streetscape at all. it would just look like another communications wire along the poles. Now, that said, we do have the ability if you have areas that have underground service only, uh we can trench and bore and serve those communities as well. So, we lean to the
city to set the example of what you want in what areas and that is how we would use um our direction to expand in the rightway. So, if you can go to the next slide. Thank you. So basically why we're kind of excited about Saraveville
and I broke this down um to make it as simple as possible. Um basically yes you have broadband today um the landscape you have many services you have optimum service about 99% but you
have limited fiber from them you have other fiber providers you know Verizon FiOS earthlink they cover less than 7% of what you have in the city you have fixed wireless such as T-Mobile Verizon AT&T which everybody knows um they cover
most Sarahville, but they have low speed fiber. They do not have the speeds that we are able to offer. And then you have the outliers, which are the VISAT, the HUNET, um, and Starlink. They're available everywhere, but they're
typically much much slower with a higher latency speed, which means you're not going to get what you would typically get from our speeds um, going up and down, which would be symmetrical. So the opportunity is this um fiber offers like
I just said you know offers symmetrical upload speeds of up to 2 gig for upload and download which would serve well for community schools administration homes. Uh a lot of people do work from home. I personally work from home so trust me um
it comes in handy. Our fiber can bring you know giga speed across the uh the city of Sarville. Now, I'm not saying that we're going to launch 100% of the city at any given point. We have not put together an engineering design. Once we
do, we will work with Glenn and, you know, everybody else to um set the areas for deployment, let you know where we're going, see what the limitations are, uh what you were looking for to develop going forward, um and coordinate that.
So what we're really looking to do is boost the economic development um and provide some digital equality throughout the city. So if we can go to the next slide. Thank you. Um Go Node Speed is very proactive
in what they try to do for community engagement. Whether that means going to some of the elder population and explaining to them you know and holding classes to understand what current technologies are or you know sponsoring
a booth at a fair working with you know city daysville probably has like most cities do you know day and you have all of your vendors and everybody else that you know there we do sponsor quite a few of those. We really believe that the more
you become integrated into the public, it becomes a better service across the board. So, we just wanted to highlight a little bit of that. Um, next slide, please. These are just some testimonials and I I won't bother to kind of go through them.
They are in the presentation that I left in the back, but they are kind of across culture from New York, Connecticut, Maine, you know, any place that we serve. We just took a a grab of some of the reviews. And if you go to the next slide,
we do offer um in the community uh a share. So if one person recommends another, they will get a $50 bonus and that is basically how you kind of expand your footprint. Um and that is just a little bit, you know, to give back to some of the community. And if we move on
to the next slide, there is a net promoter score which is a really industryspecific um gauge. And what they do is they take a a scale from a negative to 100 to a positive 100. And it's a one question
survey after somebody offers services. And if you honestly look at and it's it's kind of an interesting thing. If you go online and look for a typical net promoter score, put in Optimum, put in Cable Vision, put in any company, the
the average net promotion score is like negative 75. Um, we are very proud to say that we are negative um not negative, we are positive 75. So, it's something that we strive to keep and it
is not easy because people are very opinionated when it comes to their services and or lack thereof. So, we work very hard to uh keep that up there and we do what we can to make sure that we're an integral part of the community. And the last slide that I had was
basically to let you know that we have full PUC approval to provide telecommunications in New Jersey. We have poll attachments secured with both Verizon and JCPNL, which is new since the last time we spoke. Uh that is fully
executed and in place. Um we are actively working through the development phase. Obviously uh we're going to work on aerial first and then we would talk as we said you know with um any areas underground and we will continue to coordinate with municipal staff and
figure out what you need to get from us to go into the rideway and you know formulate an agreement to move forward. So I appreciate the time and >> Okay. So a couple things. >> Sure. >> So I'm going to put together a a committee tonight. Okay,
>> that'll work with Glenn, our burough engineer, Jay Cornell. But, uh, Donna, our council president, Donna Roberts, is an IT person. >> Uh, Dan Bala is the CFO of South Amboy,
as well as being a resident of of Sville. And Mary, no, Mary, would you serve on this? >> Okay. So, you can only have three elected officials, otherwise you have a quorum. So there will be a couple things that we we'll ask of you. One is that
you come uh it's summer now so a lot of people are on vacation but once school starts this should be very interesting. Have you met with the board of education yet? >> No we have not. >> All right. So well Glenn will reach out to the board of education >> so that they have a a seat at this
table. Uh but I would ask that this kind of start in in September. the next thing I'm going to ask you to do, which is to have several sessions to the public. Uh, one on a Saturday, one on an evening. I'll I'll let I'll let the the committee
decide uh so that people can come in and and have an in-depth conversation about what what it is that you offer. The biggest question in Saraveville is are you cheaper than your competitors? >> We are. >> All right. Well, then you're batting
you're batting 500. So, >> and we offer a better service. >> Okay. Well, money money first. >> And just to be clear, mayor, this is strictly an internet service. This is not cable television. Yes. >> So, this will be attractive for people that stream their content rather than go to the cam.
>> Absolutely. >> Gladly do whatever presentations you need. Donna being the most uh is a tech person, so she'll chair it and then Mary and Dan uh are there uh and and we'll
get it as done as we can get it done. >> Thank you. >> All right. Uh are you fully installed in Oldbridge and South Amboy? >> We are in the process of No, we are >> in the process. Are are you are you live yet? >> Not in Jersey. No, you guys are our first 4 a.m.
>> Okay. Okay. Uh Okay. >> So, Donna, is it okay if I reach out to you and and gather some input? >> Yeah. >> Perfect. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you for coming tonight and we look forward to the the people of Sville have asked for more providers of
this service. So, uh this is the first step. >> All right. And we'll probably ask you to do a podcast or two to to get the information out. That's something we can do over the summer. >> Absolutely. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> Okay. um something about several then maybe
she could get something together for National Night Out. >> Well, let ask them ask them at your first meeting. >> It's on. I just >> Okay. Well, I I already pointed to Sharon on cultural arts who who is just starting to look for sponsors. You'll be
a popular girl to >> Okay. just we just have a national night out on August 5th and you know it's an opportunity for you to meet some of the residents. >> Okay. >> Well, an email
>> Mary let this because we got a full schedule. >> Yeah, we got it. >> Thank you very much. All right. So, the next is a proclamation and I'm going to ask the council.
Oh, is is um the people here from FXS from Fragile X Syndrome, are they here yet? No. Okay. So then we will
let's do this for a sec. Um so with that I'm going to ask the cultural arts committee to come here behind the rail. I'm going to ask the governing body and I'm going to ask all of Melissa's friends and family to bring
her up. All right. Hope the Lord comes. >> All right. So, I'm gonna ask the cultural arts committee to be the MC tonight and their chairman is Chris Cuno. Chris, you got to hold this close. >> Okay. Thank you, Mayor.
>> Introduce your >> Well, well, this is my co-chair, Sharon. This is uh one of our team members, Marty, and this is my brother, which is also a member of ours. Uh at the end there, >> go ahead and >> recount this wonderful moment.
>> Uh recount >> for Tite was Tite. Oh yes. Yes. So um what we what we did with with uh tea night is uh we had a it it came together beautifully that we had a Marvel night and uh um Sharon found this beautiful
woman here um that had a uh collection of comic books that used to be her daughter's collection and uh she really wanted uh to to find somebody that would appreciate those comic books. So, she um donated it to our our teen night and we
were able to uh hand them out to the teens and uh for you know both teens that loved comic books or teens that were just starting to getting into the world of comic books and it changed their their lives. I believe it did. >> Yes, Sharon.
So, us on the committee, we were looking to purchase these comic books for our teenagers in town. And Melissa was advertising on Facebook Marketplace that she was selling an amazing 100piece collection. And when I called her and
told her that we were going to be giving them as gifts to the teens, she said, "I'm going to just donate them to you." And if anybody knows Melissa, her daughter passed away two years ago and this was her daughter's special special
collection and Melissa gave them to us for our children in our town and we so appreciate it. Melissa, >> thank you. >> You are a doll. tonight. >> The burrow serville would like to recognize your generous donation of a
100 comic books to our Tonight event which was held on June 25th, 2025. A meaningful gift from your daughter Veronica's personal collection. Your thoughtfulness and genu generosity brought joy and inspiration to our teens
while honoring the spirit of Veronica of sharing and community. Your contribution made Tonight even more special and we are sincerely thank you for your kindness. Your thoughtful donation helped create a fun, engaging and inspiring evening for
our local teens. Your support of of the youth literacy and and community programming is deeply appreciated and made a meaningful impact to all who participated in this event. For this Melissa, we uh we give you this
certificate of rec recognition. >> Yep. Thank you. God bless you. Make sure Mhm. >> Um Sharon's Sharon I passed across for a reason and I always saw fit to donate
the books um the comic books because um Veronica when she was a serial student all through high school um and all through her school years and there was no other time and place to donate them
than to the high school students. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Does anybody else want to speak up here? Virginia. >> So Melissa, you stand here and there's a television camera up there and and friends and family you surround.
>> So now you're on tele. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Can somebody take a photo for us because Tab wants to >> Can you take a photo, Jim? >> I would love to. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Cheers. Say comic book. >> Comic books. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. That's very nice. >> Thank you. See you. I can't take it. Chris. Chris, we're gonna get on with
the meeting. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, Chris. Thanks. Uh, cultural arts. >> Want to read the proclamation? >> Go ahead. >> So, we have one additional proclamation tonight, mayor. Whereas fragile X syndrome, FXS, is the
most common inherited cause of autism and intellectual disabilities in the world, affecting people of every race, income level, and nationality. And whereas, although the genetic mutation that causes FXS is identifiable through DNA testing, fragile X frequently goes
undiagnosed due to limited awareness, even within the medical community. And whereas more than 100,000 Americans live with fragile X syndrome and an estimated 1.5 million are carriers of the Fragile X gene mutation. And whereas FRAA
research foundation founded by parents in 1994 has helped lead the charge to find the effective treatments and ultimately a cure through targeted research and clinical trials. And whereas Fragile X serves as a powerful model for understanding a broad
range of neurodedevelopment disorders including autism and advancing research that benefits millions. And whereas July 22nd is recognized globally as World Fragile X Day with landmarks, buildings, and bridges lighting up in teal to raise
awareness and unite the Fragile X community in hope and support. Now I therefore for the mayor Kennedy O'Brien, Mayor of Saveville, and the council hereby proclaim July 22nd, 2025 as World Fragile X Day in Serville and
encourage all citizens to join in raising awareness, supporting families, and promoting continued research for effective treatment and a cure. Thank you, mayor. >> Motion to accept that proclamation. >> So moved.
Roll call. >> Council person Novak, >> yes. >> Bala, >> yes. >> Kissesi, >> yes. >> Roberts, >> yes. >> Sarski, >> yes. >> Zowski, >> yes. >> Okay. Uh, with that, we're going to we have uh less than 10 minutes uh for
executive session. Uh, if you would read who has it. >> Whereas section 8 of the open public meeting act, chapter 231, public law 1975, permits the exclusion of the public from a me meeting in certain circumstances. And whereas this public body is of the opinion that such circumstances presently exist now
therefore it be it resolved by the mayor and burough council the bureau of several county and middle sex state of New Jersey as follows. The public portion of this meeting is hereby adjourned in order that the governing body may meet in close private session for approximately 5 to 10 minutes to discuss the following matters. Attorney client privilege contract negotiation
rupo attorney. Following the conclusion of said closed session, the governing body shall reconvene the open portion of this public meeting to consider any other matters which may be properly brought before it at this time, the nature and content of the discussion which occurs in close session shall be made public at such time as the need for
non-disclosure no longer exists. This resolution shall take effect immediately. >> A motion. >> So moved. Second. >> All in favor roll call. Council persons Roberts, >> yes. >> Bala, >> yes. >> Kesi, >> yes. >> Novak, >> yes. >> Sarski, yes. Zowski.
>> Yes. >> Reconvene. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> Okay, with that we'll go to new business. >> Second. Introduction of the following
ordinances. Ordinance number 18-25, Burrow of Seville County and Middle Sex, Ordinance amending the Bureau's General Design Standards with regard to parking areas and front yards and residential districts. >> Uh, Councilman Zowski, >> move the ordinance be approved on first
reading advertised according to law and public hearing to be held on August 18, 2025. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Council person Zabrowski, >> yes. >> Fala, >> yes. >> Yes. Novak. >> Yes. >> Roberts, >> yes. >> Sinarski, >> yes.
>> Ordinance number 19-25, Burough of Seville County and Middle Sex. Ordinance establishing residency requirements for all appointments to bo burrow boards, commissions, and committees. >> Uh, council president. >> Thank you, mayor. I move the ordinance be approved on first reading, advertised
according to law, and a public hearing be held on August 18th. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Council persons Roberts. >> Yes. >> Bala. >> Yes. Kesi, >> yes. >> Novak, >> Sarski, >> yes.
>> Zabrowski, Ordinance number 20-25, Burough of Seville County of Middle Sex, Ordinance reducing the speed limit on a portion of Main Street. >> Councilman Klay, >> I move the ordinance be approved on first reading advertised according to law and a public hearing to be held on
August 18th. >> Second. >> Second. Roll call. >> Council persons Kesi, >> yes. >> Ala, >> yes. Novak, >> yes. >> Roberts, >> yes. >> Sarski, >> yes. >> Zowski, >> yes. >> Ordinance number 21-25, Burrow of Seville County and Middle Sex. Ordinance amending the burrow submission and
checks list requirements for land use and zoning permit applications. >> Council President. >> No, that would be Councilman Z. >> Councilman Zerowski. >> Move the ordinance be approved on first reading advertised according to law and a public hearing to be held on August 18th, 2025. >> Second.
>> Roll call. Council persons Roberts means sorry Zabrowski >> yes >> Vala >> yes >> police >> yes >> Novak Roberts >> yes >> Sinarski >> yes >> ordinance number 22-25 Burough of several county and Middle Sex an ordinance accepting the donation of Crab
Island from Jennon Rema LLC >> Councilman Bala >> I have some questions can I do that now or should I wait to the public hearing >> thank you pardon >> I have some questions do it now or do it at the public hearing >> well usually you would do it at the
public portion or or call call Glenn up during the during the week. >> Okay. >> I mean, you can do you're a councilman. You do what do what you want. >> What's the benefits of us taking it? >> Go ahead. Just additional open space.
>> That's all. Is it What's the zoning over there right now? Do we know? >> Don't know. But I I could tell you that it's a mud flat island, not suitable for building upon. >> And just wondering if the the risk is worth the
the cost benefits there. You know, they pay like $2,800 in taxes and we're not going to get that. But is there any >> have no utility for us in terms of building anything? >> It's a liability. Is it a liability? That's what I'm afraid of. >> I would think not only because there was an assessment by the Armory Corps of
Engineers. if anything pops up with ordinance, it's going to be the Army Corps of Engineers that would come in and dispose of it since it's federal uh as a result of federal activity. So, I would say no. >> How about like PCPs or or something like that? >> Well, I don't think the PCP there's
never been any >> dumping because this last people that island were likely the Lenny Lop >> that that's not dredge material or anything that that's okay. So, the power plant didn't dump stuff there as over the years. Okay. Okay. I'm going to move the ordinance be approved on first reading and advertise according to law
and public hearing be held on August 18th, 2025. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Council persons Bala. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Novak. >> Um I I need an awful lot more information so I'm just going to abstain on this right now because I don't know enough about it. >> Roberts.
>> Yes. >> Dinarski. >> Yes. >> Zabowski. >> Okay. Um, at this time I'm going to open the PO public portion uh for questions uh on the consent agenda items. Are there any questions?
Being no questions, gentlemen in the back. >> Yeah, come on up. Come up. Is it you, Ken, or the gentleman behind you? Good evening. Check. Good.
Uh, well, my name is Alberto Rios, 186 Washington Road. Uh, good evening everyone. Um, I'm here not only as a resident of Serville, but also as someone who deeply cares about the future of our town, and that includes the protection and preservation of open
spaces. Tonight, you're going to vote on the planning board's recently adopted affordable housing plan to build apartments on a 40 acre perale of land directly behind Kennedy Park. This is just one part of a larger initiative to
build hundreds of apartments units throughout our town. Um, let me be clear. I'm strongly opposed to this particular development in this location. One of the main reasons me and Hervey Bloomer decided to run for council was
to stand up for sale's open spaces to protect them, to preserve them, and to improve them for our families, for our children, and for our future generations. Kennedy Park is not just another plot of
land. It is a landmark, a community treasure, and a haven for wildlife and recreation. It is a place where residents go to walk, reflect, and enjoy nature. To allow development behind this park is
to risk damaging the very character and charm of what makes Kennedy Park so special. We are not against progress. We are not against responsible development. But we must ask at what cost.
Our town is already grappling with increased traffic, school overcrowding, and storm water runoff. Adding high density housing to the area behind Kennedy Park would only make these problems worse.
Meanwhile, once we lose open space, we can never get it back. That is why I'm calling for this decision to be placed in our hands, in the hands of the people, not just the council and the planning board. Let the
people of Sarville decide whether this land should be developed or preserved. Put it to a referendum. Let the people decide. Put it to a referendum. Let the
community speak. Let democracy work. We have the money in the open space fund. That fund was created for just this purpose, to save land from development. We owe it to the residents of Serville,
past, present, and future. To ensure that we grow in a way that is thoughtful, balanced, and sustainable. I believe that preserving Kennedy Park and the open space around it is one of the most important steps we can take to protect our town's character and quality
of life. We are asking for a referendum to let the people decide. Thank you. >> Thanks Albero. would if you would uh explain to the public what exactly this this resolution is
about and how it came about and and what what it truly means. Introduce yourself if you would please. >> Absolutely. Um Peter Vandenoy with Acuity Consulting Services. I'm a licensed professional planner in the state of New Jersey and uh my firm prepared the housing plan element and
fair share plan and what that is essentially it's the fourth round um housing plan element fair share plan where um it is part of the master plan it was adopted by the planning board but it's also part and really the main reason we're doing this is because the state has um generated obligations for
each municipality and they've handed those down and essentially the Um the the gist of the process handed down by the state is that we had to adopt the plan by um at the planning board by June 30th and then endorse it subsequently
and submit it to the court system. And essentially at this point we've completed the main step of adoption by June 30th. This is the endorsement uh step. It's the second step and it's really just the um the governing body acknowledging that it was in fact adopted. Um the um obligations in that
plan again were handed down by the state. We actually had a negotiation process where it started at 270 units um that uh for the fourth round obligation. Um and just to back up for a second, there's the prior round and third round obligations which have been met by
existing projects which are largely constructed. Um so there won't be really any new units other than what's already planned for as part of those obligations for the prior rounds. The fourth round we started at 270 is what the state asked for. We countered through uh preparing an analysis of uh land
capacity with uh 210 units. We showed that some of the states um calculations were an error. And um through a negotiation process, we landed on 240. So we're able to reduce that by 30 units. And um one of the other things we do we did in addition to that is a vacant land adjustment. And that is
essentially as the gentleman just mentioned, there's there's a lot of development in town already. and we're able to leverage that to demonstrate that there actually aren't that many developable parcels in the community anymore. And so vacant land adjustment essentially uses um GIS mapping and
screens for just the vacant parcels that are developable. And based on that, that 210 was able to be reduced to 76 units as the obligation. And that 76 is called a realistic development potential. That's what you have to plan specifically for in the near term. And
the rest of that 210 becomes unmet need. And that's something that you don't have to plan for specifically now. You just have to keep it in mind if an opportunity comes up. The way the regulations are drafted, you're supposed to consider an opportunity, but it would have to be um in accordance with sound land use principles. It would have to go before your board. There would be a
public process and all those types of things. And real quick, just um last um thought specific to the um the property that I believe the gentleman was referring to. Um I believe it's privately owned. Um it's not part of of Kennedy Park. And then also um we
haven't received any conceptual plan and we included it primarily because it's the single largest vacant property and if we if we didn't include it in the plan the state would see a giant error essentially in the plan and we don't want to have glaring errors essentially in a court review process which is what
it is um at the state at the state level. There's no um let's say concrete commitment on the part of the borrower to move forward with that site. It's entirely dependent on that private, you know, entity coming in with an application and the plan is a master
plan. It's able to be amended by the burough at any time. So, it can evolve over time and um essentially what we have is a a fully compliant uh platform at this point in time that can evolve going forward based on what the burrow and the residents and everyone uh feels
is best. So it's my understanding this is this is mandated by the legislature and if there were a number of towns in New Jersey who fought it wouldn't do it and they they came together and and they
fought it and what was their outcome? >> So we had I believe was 45 to 50 towns uh litigate that um for the most part they have not been successful. I believe it may still be being appealed uh to the Supreme Court. This has been litigated for the past 40 plus years. It's a very
difficult aspect of land use law. >> So the thing that I try to explain to the residents is I if if we fight it and we lose, we lose control of the planning. Whereas if if we if we work with what it
is that the legislature is asking for, we have better control over our future. Uh so it's not a question of what we want, it's what they will give us. The other thing that this is all based on lowincome housing um throughout the
state um and when back in the 1990s when I was a housing commissioner and we built Gillette Manor, we built it for residents of Saraveville and relatives of residents of Saraveville. that's no
longer allowed. So any any of the lowincome uh housing set aides that we have in Saveville are for anybody across the United States to rent. It's not just for Saraveville residents, which makes
it difficult. The most difficult thing in my uh chief of staff office is when they get a call from a single mother looking for a rental. Uh there aren't any. it is extraordinarily difficult and they don't get any preference or
priority uh in in in getting an apartment. Uh there's no preference or prior or there's just they get no preference. Uh and it's a it's the single most difficult thing uh to accomplish is
finding finding home finding low in uh low rent homes uh for our residents particularly particularly single mothers as everyone who follows local real estate and practically everybody does since it all became very expensive is I
think I the the new apartments that are going up down at the end of Main Street just before the Main Street extension. Um, my staff called them and they said the first building is going to go up for
rent around January. The market rate is going to go to the highest bidder and and the set aides for low income just first come first served. So there's a shortage of of rentals and this is the
market will charge what the market what what the market will bear and currently a one-bedroom and a two-bedroom is extraordinarily expensive uh to my standards which you know I was I was born a long time ago. Um that being
said, we are we are trying to have as much control as possible over that which is available uh to be built. And you don't have a choice. We don't have a choice as a town. Uh and if and if we
fight it, if we if we sit on our hands, if we refuse to comply, then the judge and the developers will do it for us. and then they will do what is in their best interest and the town will lose any control that they have on this. Uh am I
covering it uh pretty well? >> That's Yeah, I agree 100%. >> Okay. Uh any any questions from the governing body? Okay. Would would you stay till we finish this this portion, please? >> Absolutely.
>> Okay. Thank you, Ken. Thank you, Mayor Ken Alaski. Seville uh 2025-1 183 a designated municipal housing leaison. Exactly. What is that? >> Well, that's a standard uh appointment. Uh usually it goes to the business
administrator. We're now a town of 45,000 people. So, Zack Schlicker helps Glenn in his job. So, he has been given this assignment. There is no stipen. There is no additional uh compensation for doing
this. >> Okay, that was one of my questions. There's no stipen. How many jobs does this guy Is this the guy that lives down the Philadelphia area? Uh it seems I see his name coming up quite often. How many assignments does he have? Is he assistant business administrator? Is he
an assistant? He's a management specialist assigned to the administration department of the burrow. >> And what's his role on uh what is his role on Sarah? >> Executive. >> He's deputy.
>> Yeah. Deputy director Sarah. >> So he the last I heard of him, the mayor introduced him at the senior center as a as a leazison. Mayor, one of your aids, I think. Uh that might be 2 years ago, but uh this guy must be the greatest
thing since sliced bread because he's he's moved up the ranks pretty quick. I'll tell you, every time I turn around, I see his name. Is is he the same guy that was chair of the mayor's uh uh dark money pack? Uh as far as I know, what I've heard, I
I believe he is. >> I didn't have a dark money pack. >> Pardon? >> I didn't have a dark money >> Oh, you didn't have a dark money pack? I didn't have one. No. >> Okay. So, he wasn't chair of the dark money pack. >> I have no idea. I didn't have a dark money pack. >> Thank you,
>> Jim. Thank you, Mayor. Jim Robinson Parlin. Under resolutions. I see JCPNL. They're on the bill list for $71,000. Um, it was March that they were supposed to be here. We're going to call them in to talk about street lights. That was a
few months ago. They haven't been back since. There are more lights out now than there were then. We continue to pay them $71,000. Councilwoman Novak did some research and asked the attorney to look into it further. We can hold up payments if
street lights are out. Um, are we doing that? I would ask you to uh answer that when my time is up. The next thing I too want to talk about the um fair share plan that you're being asked
to endorse the planning board uh came up with to put housing at the 40 acres behind Kennedy Park and where the park and ride facility is and the 40 and the uh where
the mini mall is and some other spaces. It is true certainly that this is a state regulation. The state doesn't pick the places. The state didn't say we should put 250 units on the 40 acres
behind Kennedy Park. That was the mayor's idea. It wasn't even Mr. Mako's idea. Was the mayor's idea to put that there. The mayor and the business administrator met with Mr. Makco soon after he came into office and said he wanted housing there. Um, I listened to
the tape of the planning board meeting where they adopted this June 18th. Took me a while to get it. Took I it wasn't posted for three weeks until I mentioned it. Then all of a sudden it got put up there. It was a 20-minute meeting. There
wasn't one question asked, not only by a member of the public, not even a member of the board. Not one question. And boom, boom, boom. We adopted it. A lot of thought went into that. So, we'll see how much discussion goes into it tonight.
I read through that plan. I read through that plan and there was not one mention of veterans, not one mention of shelters for victims of domestic violence or sexual assault. And by the way, those uses give you
extra credits. I'm involved with some of those in some other counties where I'm involved with affordable housing and that's how we're we're solving it. Not one mention of veterans in this affordable housing plan.
Talk about 250 apartments on the 40 acres behind Kennedy Park. Not one mention, but tonight you're going to agree to the building of all those apartments at the mini mall, the park and ride, Macos, 40 acres.
And the resolution you're going to adopt says it's in the public interest and will protect public health and safety and promote the general welfare of the burrow. And you approve and endorse the plan.
I'm not sure how you can vote for this plan knowing that, but I but I'm sure you will. And I have to tell you, Mr. um Rios's comment that this ought to be put to referendum, especially the the 40 acres behind Kennedy Park. Mayor, you
love referendums. Um they don't always turn out the way you want, but I think that's a good idea. Let the people decide. Let the people decide. We have, I don't know, 12 million, 14 million in the open space fund. We got We're
getting Crab Island. That's part of our open space fund. That's part of our open space. Well, that's that's wonderful. I guess it's better than putting a bus depot there. But if that's all that we have to show for our open space fund, that's that is not
a good thing. So, it is true. I just want to clarify. And mayor, you know, you know that when the state comes in and sues, you have to build a number of units because the thousands of apartments that we are building now as a result of being sued because of your
first 20 years, we didn't do one one affordable unit. So now we're paying the price for 875 affordable units. We're going to be building thousands of market rate units. So I ask you, I like this idea about the
referendum. I ask you not to endorse this plan. We can do something better. We can do something that mentions veterans. It does something for veterans. That does something for the other groups that I talked about. And that preserves area that should be preserved. There are other ways to
accomplish this. Just got to be a little bit more creative than we have been in the past. So I ask you to vote no on this and send it back to the board. Thank you. >> Anyone else? Okay.
Uh that uh I will entertain a motion. >> Move the public hearing be closed and the consent agenda resolutions be approved on roll call vote. >> Roll call. >> Oh, second. Second. >> Roll call.
>> Council person's Roberts. First, before I vote, I have a few words to say about the um housing. We are supposed to do what's in the best interest of our community, and the Democratic state leadership blocks us at every corner.
Affordable housing is a euphemism and a manufactured problem created by Democratic leadership that we've had for many years. I oppose any reasonzoning and zoning overlay and I oppose the use of the builder's remedy. These are the only choices we have at
the municipal level because Democrats in New Jersey make the rules and municipalities all over the state. All over the state, including serville, pay the price. And we have no good recourse at this level. What we have to do is if
you really truly want to change this, it has to start at the top because these are mandates that we are given right now. This is our plan. This is the best plan that we have for the land that we have left and we have to be honest with the state about what is available. Even
if we don't own it, it is potential. So that is why I have to vote for this because giving it to the hands of the state will create more of chaos than we already have. So with
great dis disgust about having to do this, I vote yes for all the referendum items. Bala. >> Okay. 2025-175 abstain on adel bills and then 2025197.
No. Yes. On all other items. >> Lacy. Yes, >> Novak. I I >> Yeah, >> I'm going to have to uh I have a few comments and questions actually. Um
the uh I have a problem. Well, with the bill list, I'm going to vote yes on that only because but I really think that it's time that we start dunning uh JCPNL. They're not getting any better with street lights. They're getting worse. And I I I think that we should by
the next bill have a deduction for the lights that have been out over because we we actually did a resolution to do this was made by motion and seconded and voted on by every member of the council to start deducting for all of the lights that have been out. They're really not operating as a good neighbor quite
frankly. But for this meeting, I will say yes on that. Um uh 183 that's a no. Uh I I have looked up the what exactly the municipal housing liaison um it's a it's a very
important position and uh but I think the fact that and he's doing it for nothing. I just don't see how this is such an important position. This this will be the third job this man has with this town. He lives a 100 miles away. And I really think that, you know, there
was really no discussion on on the this position. There was no discussion on who was going to hold it. And if he's doing this as a volunteer, didn't we just introduce an ordinance that said all volunteers have to live in town?
>> So, you know, that that will be a no. Um the I just have a question on 193. Did we get a time frame on that at all, Glenn? >> Once we receive council authorization, they expect it to take six to eight weeks. >> Okay. Thank you. And I will be voting no
on 197 um that air that property years ago, this council, and I believe it was McCormack who was the mayor at the time, reszoned that into prime. And the
acronym, I'm not too sure of exact the P is public. I believe the R is recreation. The I is institutional, the M is municipal, and the E is educational. Saw fit all of those years ago to take that out of residential, and
now all of a sudden we're putting it back in. We instituted back in 20 23 to look into purchasing that. There was another piece of property that I believe is is on this plan also and it's the
property that a developer came in and wanted to build um with the garages and that would have had really no impact on the residential but we decided to not go along with that and to try to buy
that property also. Now, I mean, I I wish we just, you know, let them uh build the garages there rather than, you know, a high rise of of more residents. So, those are my reasons for uh voting no on 197. Everything else, yes.
>> Sarski, >> I looked at everything here. I studied. I'm voting yes. >> Zowski, >> yes. And was comment to 197. Um, >> yes. would come to 197. You know, uh I
guess it's now 50 years ago that uh the Matt Laurel decision came down and that really proclaimed the need for affordable housing. Uh and the theory is correct. Um particularly for our town, we want our seniors who are moving on
and looking to downgrade uh to new home to different uh homes to be able to stay in our home in their homes or stay in our town. We want young uh professionals and young uh people uh that are working their way through their occupations and creating
their lives to either stay in Saravel or to move into Saravel. And then finally, as far as um as far as others as well, uh we have obligations that that are are
really noble and and appropriate. But I do agree with um with Donna. The process has become convoluted. It's complicated. It's become formulatic. And I'm not sure if it creates the type
of affordable housing that was once envisioned. I don't think it does. And one of the reasons for that is this builder's remedy, which basically hovers over everything that goes on. And if you don't adopt the plan, and if you don't adopt it correctly, the builders have
the remedy to build as they see fit, which we can't have. The plan that's put forward, I understand there's no one that wants a mandate and that no one wants to be able to say you have to build these number many units in our particular town. If you go across the
state, it's the same thing. So, I I sympathize because I'm obviously a resident and I agree. No one should be able to mandate that. But the point is they do. And until the time until that changes, we have the we have what we
have to do, an obligation to what was right for our town. This was a carefully constructed plan. I'm sure there there's enough to be said from everybody that there's something that everybody doesn't like, but at the end of the day, it does meet the requirements, but it also goes
into the special needs of certain people, particularly special needs and those that need rehabil rehabilitative services. So, while I don't know if everybody likes the plan or wants the plan, the point is this was a very carefully crafted plan. And yes, Jim, it was
creative. It looked at an awful lot of areas to make sure that it didn't impact the burrow as much as it could. Uh, is it perfect? It's not perfect and it's not going to be perfect because the process doesn't allow for perfection. Uh, I go back to the original purpose. I
agree the original purpose of what affordable housing should be. It's unfortunate that over 50 years it's become this convoluted mess. But it's a mess that we have to be able to deal with. And I think this plan that's put forward done by our professionals is an
appropriate plan and um and for that reason I vote for it. >> Need a motion to accept the correspondence as listed. >> So moved. >> Roll call. >> Council persons Roberts Vala. >> Yes. >> Fissy.
>> Yes. >> Novak. >> Yes. >> Sarski. Yes. >> Zowski. >> Yes. >> Okay. Mayor Mayor and Council reports administration and finance. Councilman Valka. >> Thank you, Mayor. >> We received their certified tax rates and the bills are being printed. They'll be due with August 29th according to the
resolution. Uh the grace period is extended and if you don't pay by the end of the the due date, the interest you pay will crew back to August 1st. It's important to know that people think they'll pay one day late, but they're really paying 30 days late. If you can't wait to see your
bill, you can go online and and look it up if you really want to. And also we our bid threshold changed from 44,000 to 53,000 which is a potential cost savings for us. Other than that progress, >> thank you. Planning and zoning Councilman Zabrski.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Uh just a couple of things. Um I want to follow up on the JCPNL issue. Um I had thought we were making progress. I I apparently we haven't made as much progress as I thought and that's a shame. Um, but I do know that we have a better rapport with
the current representative and I'm going to ask again uh back in uh when uh Tina Erla was our uh Early was our representative I issued or I requested from them I um 10 questions which dealt with what's the present of present
condition of our infrastructure and secondarily what is being done to improve it over the next several years. I've yet to receive that response and I know it's also been forwarded to our newest representative. So I would ask and again Glenn it probably falls upon you if you could ask our representative
to have a comprehensive response to those 10 questions hopefully at our next meeting. I'd appreciate it. Secondly, um we had the terrible news that Ashlin uh was um was closing down uh and se and a
number of our residents lost their jobs. Um, I reached out to their uh their union representatives and lo and behold, I found out already that uh our chief uh that uh one of our chiefs of staff, Andy, had reached out uh to provide what
support that they could for the from the burrow's perspective and I appreciate that. Uh these are a number of people who have been working for Ashlin over u some of them uh decades. Uh and it's unfortunate that within a month's time uh they're going to lose their jobs. And
I do appreciate the fact that the burrow is working very hard to see we whatever support we can for them and what other opportunities may be for them as well. Uh third I want to thank uh our staff at the adult active adult center. Uh as you
know I'm the liazison for that uh for the center. Um most I'm usually touting their activities. Uh but this time what I want to do is thank them. We we've had an extremely hot and humid last couple of weeks. Uh and the active adult center
has been our cooling center. Uh that unit is also a very big part of our emergency opera our emergency uh planning. And I just want to thank Jen and her staff for the work that they do. And then finally, the planning board met last Wednesday. Uh present was the board
of education who provided us an explanation for um a capital project which is the improvement of uh not improvement but the addition additional parking spaces at Eisenhower uh school. uh the board cannot approve or or
disapprove. Uh it can make recommendations, one of which was for them to uh think about adding additional landscaping uh to avoid any light spillage over onto Ernston Road. Um and with that, mayor, that's my report. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Councilman. Uh public safety, Councilman Klay. >> Thank you, Mayor. I'd like to share uh two important updates from uh Police Chief Plumacher from the Saraveville Police Department. Uh first, the department is moving forward with hiring
um and has presented the four new officers uh candidates tonight for their uh conditional employment. So, um secondly, uh this Wednesday, July 23rd at 6 PM, uh they're going to hold a
ribbon cutting ceremony, um for it's called Stephanie's Sanctuary. So, it's a newly renovated domestic violence support room at police headquarters. This space was generously created by the Stephanie Nicole Pars Foundation to
offer a calming, supportive environment for victims, officers, and advocates. It includes essentials like clothing, snacks, waters, and items for children. So, Stephanie Pars was a young woman from Freehold who tragically lost her
life to domestic violence in 2019. her foundation continues to do meaningful work in her memory and we thank them for their valuable contribution to our community. Next, I'd like to share a brief update
from uh our office of emergency management provided by director uh Chris Barsley. Uh Saraveville OEM operated a unified command post during this uh year's Independence Day fireworks event coordinating with Saraveville Fire, EMS,
South Amboy First Aid, and our PD. I'm pleased to report the event went smoothly and without access uh without incident. On July 14th, OEM assistant assisted police, fire, and the Department of Public Works in responding
to flash flooding caused by that severe storm. Several vehicle uh water rescues were successfully carried out by the fire department and road closures on Route 9, Main Street Extension and Cross Avenue were managed by uh Sville Police
and OEM will also be participating u along with our other first responders at our upcoming national night out event. So, um, that said, I want to take a moment just to thank all our public safety departments, police, fire, EMS,
and OEM for continuing to serve the burrow of Saraveville with professionalism and dedication throughout their busy sum throughout these busy summer months. As always, our first responders remain ready to assist and respond at a moment's notice. I
encourage residents to continue practicing common summer safety, which is to stay hydrated, check on elderly neighbors during the heat waves, and remember that if you see something, you say something. That's all I have to report tonight.
>> Thank you, Councilman. Uh, public works, Councilwoman Novak. >> Thank you, Mayor. Um, I, uh, this weekend we had a ribbon cutting at Perez Pizza over in Morgan. Unfortunately, uh I was there an hour and a half early
because there was a uh uh stash, myself and Mike were there for a one o'clock ribbon cutting and there there was apparently a miscommunication and Donna was the only one. We finally called and said, "Hey, Donna, why aren't you here? You're always here." She got the word
that it was uh put off until 2:30. So, uh Mike was able to come back. Stash and I had other commitments that we had to attend to, but it's really nice when we have uh new businesses opening in town, particularly in Morgan, you know, uh we we're always trying to, you know, help out that area town, get more people down
there. And it was the people were very nice. And if you're looking for a pizza, new place, try down there. Okay. Um I would like uh I already talked about JCPNL National Night Out. Uh Mike brought out. That's
it's really very very important for you to come out for that. Uh >> it's it's a very good event, a community event, and hopefully maybe the woman from the uh because people in this town, if there's one thing besides power
failures, which seems to be, you know, causing uh Facebook or my emails to light up, uh you know, what's going on with Optimum is is a real big problem in town and we just don't have, you know, the opportunities, you know, to have other companies. So, this is really
good. more we get in here the better. I'm really happy about that and hopefully they can come and start to inform the residents of the town on National Night Out. Um the Ashlin resolution I I really feel bad about this but I was just wondering will that
problem now that property will it have to be considered as undeveloped area and now our numbers will now increase for affordable housing. if it's going to be vacant land.
>> Well, I I I did. The short answer is I don't know, but it's zoned industrial, so I don't think that would have been caught in the web. But we'll put that by the planner and ask. >> Yeah. I mean, because it's something if we're turned around and we have to increase our numbers or maybe if we don't, maybe we can consider that and so
we don't build over by Kennedy Park cuz like I said many many many years ago, you know, the the people that sat up here saw the importance of protecting that property and I'd like to see it continue. I it's it's a shame we didn't
go out and buy it. We did buy another piece over there. Uh what was that in 22? I don't remember exactly. We bought the four acres of Kaplan property over there again by Kennedy Park. We're trying to preserve that over there. And it would have been nice if we could have
if we jumped on trying to buy that before all of these affordable housing numbers came out. And we've got to stop taking the easy way out and blaming it on people in uh Trenton. Um, I blame myself for not putting forth resolutions
to do something about the affordable housing. We just sat back here and said, "Oh, well, the people in Trenton did this to us." Republicans did it, too. You know, we had three Republican governors since this was done that I know of, and nothing ever changed. Stop
blaming the state. We, as a local level, have to start doing resolutions and start putting pressure on the state to do what's best for the residents that live in this town. It's it's absolutely crazy what we're we're being put up with. Um, okay. At most people have
received their large recycling can. I'm really I I know it sounds stupid, but I am really excited about this. If you haven't received it, please try to uh get through to a lease and she'll call the county and make sure everybody that needs a can gets it. And please don't in
my own neighborhood. Usually people look out the door and say, "What's Mary putting out?" And then they know if there's garbage that day or recycling. About seven people on my own block put out the brand new cans. I guess they were excited. Unfortunately, they couldn't be picked up by the truck. So,
the truck actually did come back around as people put stuff out in smaller containers. Please don't use I believe there's no more actual pickups until we are using the new cans, but uh there is one more. Okay, one more week. So, please don't use the blue cans as much
as they really do hold a lot. Did anybody see the new ad? Uh, it was on Facebook and it shows how much the kids actually from Bombers Beyond dumped three cans full of recyclables, round
ones, and a uh this one of the square ones with paper and cardboard in it and it all fit into the can. So, for anybody saying they don't think it's going to be enough, it really is. So, I it's really going to do so much to make the town
look nicer um and the smell better and no more recyclables blowing around. And other than that, mayor, I believe I got all my notes. Thank you. >> Thank you, Councilwoman. Water and sewer/environmental. Councilman Sinarski.
>> Thank you, Mayor. I have a few things today. Uh we'll start with the water and sewer. June 19th that just passed. We had a severe storm that took out our duhal system. There was trees down, wires down. We were almost out of water.
But the reaction of our water department, we tapped into the Middle Sex water and we had interrupted service until the service was restored in Dhernal. That's why I want to talk about maintenance. There's three kinds of maintenance that you need. You need
reactive, preventative, and proactive. The first one we have is a great reactive group. What I mean by that is when the things fall, things break, we have a reactive group that comes in on their call in. Their response is
fantastic. Then there's proactive. Proactive is going to be the guys that are watching the trees, learning about what's going to be happening, what's going to be breaking, and preventing that from happening. The second thing, the last one is preventative. That's all
of the guys that are working their daily maintenance and everything and keeping everything running. And now I want to commend our water department because they did a great job to get everything back in shape for us and keep it running. Also, I was always telling you that there is still a water s shortage a
little bit drought situation minor because of the lack of rain. We get rain but there is a lot of runoff so it doesn't get a chance to perk into the ground and soak in. So that's another issue. But we did go up in water production. I was mentioning every month it's been going up. Last month in June,
over 200 million gallons of water was produced, which is a highest number I've seen since I've been doing this. All right. Uh the Burough Garden, I got to commend Glenn. They did an outstanding job. I was actually weed whacking the community
garden by myself over there as I was passing through because we can't control the weeds over there. Glenn come up with a great solution, an oldtime Polish theory, and he's taken environmentally taking care of the weeds over there, and Richie Papowski and everybody else like this solution where we'll be using it
more in town. Also, uh the other thing is my last one is for CME. I had a road paved in our development and everybody knows about jobs and everything else, but they don't not there all day watching it. The job was going on in my
area where I could see it. And the CME guy is there from the morning before the contractors are there. They're there at the finish of the day. They are taking care of all of the problems that all the neighbors have with their sprinkler lines, all the buried electric lines, the curb heights.
I didn't get one call from any neighbor in any of that area that had anything to say because CME did a tremendous job and took everything in that street. So, I like to hear good things once in a while, so I like to tell them good things once in a while. Nice job.
>> That's the end of my report. Thank you, Mayor. >> Thank you. Thank you, Councilman Sarski. Recreation Council President Roberts. >> Thank you, Mayor. Uh, before I get into recreation, I do have a question to ask of our attorney. I don't know if it's appropriate. Would a referendum make a
difference to what the state would mandate us to do if we voted against affordable any affordable housing on those properties? >> Well, no. Our mandate is is set by the recent recently adopted amended
regulations and and um amended fair housing act which requires us to act by certain deadlines and requires us to meet certain uh minimum requirements and that's what the planner had gone through the history a little bit there um with regard to choosing um certain sites uh
what the planner had mentioned and I agree with when you you can't ignore certain sites that meet certain criteria because not only while the the actual plannings within the planning board's the council's uh jurisdiction,
the is going through the uh what's it called the affordable housing uh dispute resolution program which was also established by the most recent amended act and that sets forth basis for fair share the builders association and in fact any other developer to challenge
our plan uh if we did not include certain property that meet all certain criteria in our plan and don't have a suitable alternative identified in the plan that will be challenged and it will go through the the alternative dispute program and we as a burrow wouldn't
really have an answer to that if we didn't have another alternate suitable site to substitute it for. So that's why it was put in the plan as is where we are with such short deadlines because we have to act by the end of June and as the planner had mentioned that doesn't
mean that we can't amend it. That doesn't mean it can't change through the process but we had to put together a plan that met the criteria of the act by the and adopted by the planning board by the end of June. It gave very minimum time to be able to do that. Uh so we tried to put what excuse me the bureau
of professionals and working with certain officials and the planning board to come up with was the best option to get through and pass that challenge those challenges. And then once we're through those challenges, we can go further and potentially amend that, change it, determine what is the actual
sites that are going to be developed that might differ over time because that always changes and and uh things always change over time, especially as we've seen it in the past. we might think that this site's being developed for whatever purposes and then two years later it doesn't it gets developed as something
else. So that is why it it was included and that is why we're proceeding. It's all based on compliance with the amended ad. >> And then the follow-up question the other um recommendation was to would a resolution that we would pass have any teeth in it?
>> What do you mean? Oh, you mean referendum? >> If No, we did the referendum. Now, if we do a resolution or we do resolutions on properties to protect properties from being in there, does that have any teeth to it? >> No. Um, unless the only way they could be is if they're uh deed restricted
either uh open space, part of our rosy. >> So, then it is uh absolutely un unable to be used for anything but open space purposes. Uh that would restrict take it away. But just by saying we don't want this property to be developed as affordable housing, they don't care. Uh, and that's why what you've seen in prior
rounds, that's happened many times where municipalities had done this and decided they didn't want to um, uh, certain properties be built or zoned certain ways. We've seen properties that are zoned commercial, zoned industrial because that's the what want the municipality planned and wanted to be
built there. And then what ends up happening is the uh affordable housing comes in, fair share comes in, the courts come in and they say no, that's now going to be a you know 400 unit residential development. So it just that alone is not enough. The only thing that's held this the you know the the
the withheld ports in fair share was uh open space restrictions. >> Okay. Well, thank you for the clarification. I'm sure I'm going to have more questions as we move forward with this because it is very complicated and there's a lot of moving parts and as um Councilman Zimski had mentioned um
and I I apologize for not recognizing this sooner. The boards that we have worked very hard and creatively to come up with the existing plan and um as you said that's a plan and it's we will do our best to make it better but we are
we are mandated by the state. Um, so now for recreation, um, we have a car show Wednesday from 6:00 to 9:00 at Kennedy Parks. The camp is going very well. We have, um, we had camp kindness week. I do work, um, out of town, so I was unable
to attend that, but I heard it was very well attended. Mayor, did you get the opportunity to go to the camp yet this year? >> I was down there. >> I thought you were. Okay. So, it seems to be going very well and we're very proud of >> growing every every concert, >> right? >> We have National Night Out. We also have
Cultural Arts which has a full schedule. Um, let me highlight a couple of things. Grooving in the 70s already happened. You already missed 80s night which was awesome. We have Elvis night coming this Thursday. Thursday it is this Thursday.
And then Hawaiian Luau Night which is going to be a blast. And you can go online to the seablere website. We have the um listings there for you. So you can see what's going on every Thursday till August 28th. Um and also Perez
Pizza. I apologize. I didn't realize everybody else wasn't copied on that um with the time change. So I didn't realize I I should have looked to um forward it. So my apologies for that. I thought it was sent to everyone. Um and we also had our junior police academy graduation. And Mary, do you want to
talk about that since I wasn't able to make it? >> It's Well, Mike was was able to make it. We matter of fact, usually it's just Donna and I at those things, but we had the mayor and we had Stash and we had Mike and myself and it's it's really a
special thing for these kids. If you really saw everything that they go through, this isn't just, you know, a play week. They really they learn an awful lot and they come out different kids than they went in or they're young adults. They're not kids anymore. So, we really had a great time at the
graduation. Although, I have to say, Donna will know what I'm talking about. Usually, it's in the auditorium and we're freezing in there. I brought jackets for myself and my my granddaughter that was with me and we were in the gym because the air conditioning wasn't working at all
there. And I'll tell you, the gym wasn't a lot better. Particularly, we were s sitting I I wanted the I did not want the mayor to sit on the bleaches because I thought something would happen to him going up and down. But, he was a trooper. He climbed up onto those brick bleaches and sat down. It was awfully
warm, but still it was a wonderful experience for the kids, for us as council people, and for the police that love to train these kids. And hopefully we'll see them back sometime interviewing for a job in the police department. I'm so sorry I missed it this year. Um,
day jobs. Retirement is looking better and better every day. Um, and then, uh, just finally, uh, the recycling team is doing such a great job. I've got my new recycling can and I'm looking forward to August 1st for that and otherwise
progress mayor. Thank you. >> Thank you council president. Um just some of the things that are happening here in Burough Hall. um because of the relationship that we have with the building trades going back let's say six
or so weeks uh uh we received an invitation to go to the carpenters apprentice hall in Raritton Center and Andy and I went there and we were giving a tour um and and one one of the things
that I've always noticed is there are young people that grow up in Sville They want to spend the rest of their lives in Seville. And now with the cost of a home being around a half a million dollars, um they they need to be able to
earn a living to buy that home. That being said, uh Andy is working with the building trades. uh the I I think it was a week or so later there's an annual event for all the building trades not
just the carpenters and Stash and Andy and I went through it and we went booth to booth trade to trade and and and the whole concept is that we're able to that we'll be able to help the young people
of serville get into the building trades and I can't thank Stash enough and Andrew deserves all the credit and and Ken Kelly is backup. That being said, last last week, yeah, last week we had
an invitation to go to the steel mill. They were having uh an introduction and there were about a dozen Ruters engineering students there and Sash and Andy and myself. And one of the questions we asked them
was that we were uh Ashlin/Hercules was closing. There were 54 employees and Andy and Stash are are making the bridge. Um because this the about 240 people work at the steel mill.
You make a darn good living there. Uh and um if if any of the people from Hercules can be placed there, uh Andy was with Sash are going to make that happen. Sash, you want to comment on
that visit? >> It was very educational, very informative. Uh there's a lot to making steel there. So, what I mean by that is there's a lot of people that could be diversified that work in Hercules now or Ashland that could possibly slip into
the steel mill. The steel mill is not the way it used to be 30 years ago, 40 years ago. I was telling the mayor when I was a little boy growing up in Crab Island with my father in the river. I was watching him build it, dropping the helicop with helicopters dropping the big things into that place. So I was
there since the beginning when it was there and it was uh not the best environmental neighbor I could say growing up but now everything has changed there the safety there the is the top shelf the way it's run very professional u and we're going to try to
see if we can help get some people relocate some jobs over there also thank you mayor >> thank you stash and with that we'll go to general discussion uh administration and finance >> authorization for the tax collector to refund taxes and cancel all subsequently
bill taxes due to 100% disabled veteran tax exemption for the following. Block 107 lot 9 in the amount of $2,17267. Block 32.01 lot 31 in the amount of $144.92. Two is a duplicate. Three, authorization
for membership in the Omni Partners Cooperative uh purchasing. So, we need a resolution for that. Any objections? Next item. >> Authorization to purchase ballistic vest from Action Uniform through Armor Express New Jersey state contract in
amount not to exceed $31,662.60. >> Any objections? Next item. >> Authorization to award a contract for annual software maintenance services with Q's infor Development through NJ State contract in the amount not to exceed $36,241.
>> Any objection? Next item. Request to travel received from uh the several fire department to attend the annual fireman's convention in Wildwood from September 11th to the 14th. >> Any objection? Next item. >> Uh request received to hold a block party from the following residents of
Pine Tree Drive between between Cypress Drive and Buttonwood Drive on August 30th. Rain date August 31st from 9:00 a.m. to 12 midnight. And residents of Ridge Avenue and Milican Road on July 26 from 1:00 p.m. to 10 p.m. >> Any objection? Next item,
>> authorization to purchase paper leaf bags from Papco through a non-fair and open process in amount not to exceed $21,628.80. Authorization to award a contract for electrical repairs, electrical work and repairs. I think bids are coming in uh
this week. Um application for special event received from the Dworkish Temple to conduct several religious services on the dates listed. >> Any objection? Next item, >> uh, memorializing emergency purchase of
a rotary air compressor from Quincy compressor in an amount not to exceed $71,782.74. And the next is on Glenn. >> Okay. >> Authorization to promote Anthony Cesaly from truck driver to mechanic in the department of public works effective
August 1st. >> Any objections? Next item. Authorization to report Emma Emma Lampertie to recreation leader in the recreation department effective August 16th. >> Any objection? Next item. >> Is this a um a new position?
>> Yes, we had discussed it during the budget. It was in addition to the recreation staff to help us expand our programming. >> Okay. Is it is she a resident? >> No, we had no resident with the requisite qualifications apply for the job. >> Thank you. Number three,
>> uh, authorization to promote to promote John Classic, Shan Tishler, and Jonathan Sabbo from laborer one to truck driver in the Department of Public Works effective August 1st. >> Any objection? Next item. >> Authorization to promote Jack Jacobus, Harry Gelki, John Polarmo Jr., and
Christopher Barsley from Labor One to Truck Driver Heavy in the Department of Public Works effective August 1st. >> Any objection? Next item. Authorization to promote Brian Vender from truck driver to equipment operator in the Department of Public Works effective August 1st. >> Any objection? Next item.
>> Authorization to appoint Marcus A. Livingston, Vincent C. O'Donnell, Parker E. McCall, and Camille Kowalchek as police officers in the police department effective July 28th pending completion of all pre-employment requirements.
>> Any objection? Next item. an authorization to promote Lauren Leto from clerk one to clerk 2 in the water and sewer department effective august 1st. >> Any objection? Anything else? Go on. No. Thank you. CFO's report.
>> Thank you, mayor. We got two grants in. Uh the first one is from New Jersey Department of Law and Administration, Matthew Shepard and Jamesburg hate crimes in an amount of $75,000 and also an ANJ open space stewardship grant in the amount of $1,500. Anything else?
>> Nope. Thank you. >> Okay. Burough engineers report. >> Report, mayor, this evening. Thank you. >> Um, borrow attorney's report. >> Uh, nothing this evening. Thank you, mayor. >> Okay. So, I'm going to open the public portion. There is a five minute five minute limit. Are you ladies in the back
here from Kenneth Avenue? Had I known I out of a courtesy, I would have had you come up earlier. Please come up. This is when you would come up. you have a um a petition,
you need the protocol requires that you come up to the podium. >> I can't hear >> this gentleman here. >> You're supporting him. Come on up. >> Good evening, Council Glenn. I met with
your uh assistant director uh Zack and he turned around told me and informed me on what meeting I can come to and I didn't know about this meeting. So I uh >> Would you identify yourself? >> I'm sorry. My name is Ed Hamlin. Uh and I am a burough res. I'm a resident of Parland, New Jersey. Um I uh seem to
have a problem. Well, not me, but the uh residents of Kenneth Avenue seem to have a problem with uh traffic coming off of Route 9 up and down Bordontown Avenue. uh too many me too mass massive amounts of accidents that are occurring. Uh I uh drew up a uh uh a petition and I have
well over 65 signatures. Uh like I said, Zack turned around told me to come on over here and stuff like that. Uh something's got to get done. You know, I I heard that there was something in the works, but it was supposed to happen before it was supposed to be in the works uh just before pan the pandemic
hit and uh I don't know what happened. He he turned around and said that son the the funds were gone or something to do this project to re redesign the whole >> Bordontown Avenue, Kenneth Avenue, uh Journey not Jur Bordontown Avenue, uh
Kenneth Avenue, uh Burloop Place and and Eugene Boulevard and stuff >> and Route 9, >> you know, and Route 9. But I was also in touch with the uh uh Department of Transportation and she and the woman that I spoke to, her name was um Elaine Sosa and she turned around and told me that there's definitely
something that can get done. Uh Bordontown Avenue is a county road and Route 9 is a state road. So definitely there was a suggestion made that maybe a traffic light can get get put there. Uh when when one accident occurred there, uh one of the police officers thought I
was joking around when I told him a traffic light can get put there. Uh he said it would interfere with traffic coming off of Route 9 and off the Parkway, but something definitely got to get done. >> Hold on a minute. Jay, do you have uh can you give the gentleman an update? >> Gentleman is correct. This has been an
ongoing project that the DOT and the county have been talking about for years. I think it was probably five or six years ago there was a a open forum that was held by the DOT with the residents to go over the project. The state is currently designing that project. They're in the preliminary
design phase for the improvements and it's it's a major improvement. There's going to be a roundabout in the vicinity of Beru traffic signals as well. >> Their their time frame is starting construction is in two 2030. So it's approximately 5 years before they start
construction. But they are doing all the design and engineering studies at the present time. >> I don't know they you know I was approached by you know a lot of lot of a lot of the neighbors and stuff they they all had suggestions and stuff like that like with the traffic light close off
they should close off just burlow place or something like that and something got to get done. You know I don't know if I can wait any longer till 2030 cuz my house was hit at one time. One time my house I've been like a resident of of several for 40 plus years and you know I love I love the neighborhood you know
I'm not going to leave but like you know I I just don't know if we can wait for 40 40 uh you know till 2030 something's got to get expedited uh quicker than that and stuff you know what I'm saying um you know >> hey any suggestions on expediting it >> worly mayor it's not really a burough
jurisdiction issue it's the county and the DOT and they're working together on the project and because of the design they've got to acquire property they've got to do all kinds of studies to be able to justify the funding. That's the time frame that they've set forth. I I think from a burough standpoint, it it
kind of comes down to enforcement. If there's anything maybe the police department can do to try to control things better at those intersections, there are restrictions on turning. I know that a lot of times people don't follow those. So, that that becomes an enforcement issue that the burough possibly could pursue.
>> Hi. Hi. My name is Don Taylor. I live at 1131 Bordontown Avenue. I I'm next door to >> John. Can you speak more in the mic? I need to get it recorded. >> Hi, my name is Don Taylor. I live at 11:31 Bordontown Avenue. I'm I'm
Neighbors with Ed. So, it takes me at least five minutes to be able to back out of my driveway. It's I roll the dice every time I'm backing out of my driveway. So you're telling me and and I
moved to Sarahville in 2021 and there was at least three to four accidents in that intersection. So when I made the phone calls I got the same information. There's there's a plan in fiveyear plan in place and that was in 2021.
>> Right. So now you're saying 2030 before it even start this is a time frame that came from the DOT approximately two months ago. The preliminary engineering phase is going to be completed in the fall of 26 to
spring of 27. That's followed by final design which goes from spring of 2027 to 2030. Construction starts in 2000 between 2030. That's the DOT's timeline at the present time. >> Wow. We we can we can ask our local
legislators if if they if it possible I don't want to mislead you that you ask a you know I if if they can get this prioritized. All right. The the the borrow's hands are tied uh because we don't own the pro
we don't own that road. We don't own Bordontown Avenue. We don't own Washington Road and and we those are owned by the county. Route 9 is owned by the state. So you got multiple owners there. None
of them are us. Um but that being said, um we will reach out to to our legislators but and ask them. There's no guar, you know, we'll just keep pushing it along
trying to get it to the head of the line. >> Is there any way we >> There's no quick fix on it. >> Is there any way we can be notified as to the the progress of your uh negotiations with the >> Sure. if you would just call the office here
or or email me if you'd give two of the cards to the ladies in the back, please. Uh and and we we'll put you we'll put you on a notification list. All right. There's nothing wrong. You know, you're going to have bad days. Those are tough
place to pull in and out of. Um, a and and it's okay if you call me up and say, you know, Kennedy, it really sucks here. I get it. I get it. All right. And and all of us sitting up
here, we do this for a hundred bucks a week. We we we take these problems very seriously. All right. Uh so, and we take your problem very seriously. All right. I had a dear friend, the good Lord took him a couple years ago, started out as a
police officer a long time ago. And he told me when he was a cop, born town crossed right over Route 9 and there was no light, there was no nothing, and it was it was a blood alley. So, progress has been made
and but it's not right now. So, >> my main concern was the safety of the kids that come on. I can see I can't wait for y Somebody said the bus won't go down Kenneth Avenue. They they stop on Bordon. >> They stop on Bordon County right on the corner of Bordon Town in Kenneth. But
like I said, my my concern is for the safety of the kids. There's like, you know, a whole mess of I think it's like four buses that come come up to the corner at various times and stuff. >> And what's what's the thing? They can't There's no turn around for them. >> No. No. No.
>> Pull back out on >> then. They'd have to pull back out. They'd have to back out. >> It's like they'd have to go down, Kenneth, make a U-turn, back out, back out. Pick up the kids right there. >> Yeah. >> At the end of Kenneth, there used to be
a exit right on to Route 9. And then they put a culde-sac at the end, but it's not large enough for a bus to turn around at. So that's why a bus doesn't enter Kenneth any longer because it has no way to turn around. >> Is there any solution possible, Stash?
No, because when they opened up the when they made the uh exit ramp of the parkway wider to double or triple lanes, they blocked that entrance off to Kenneth Avenue, which would be dangerous anyway for a car exiting on nine, coming down nine or off the parkway and
somebody pulling into Kenneth. So, that's one thing I think is a little safer, but in turn, the traffic and everything else is added to the other end. And uh they they're trying they stopped that left turn coming out from the McDonald's and everything else. still make the left hand turn. >> I know. I know. But at least they're
trying to do something. But uh you're It's a tough situation we have right there. We're going to try to work with you 100% though. >> Appreciate. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you, Jim. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Come up, young lady.
>> I'm actually here on a different matter. >> What's that there? >> I'm here on a different matter. Um, my name is Taylor McFarland and I work for the New Jersey Sierra Club. I also live in Keyport, New Jersey. Uh, and I want to raise the issue that Williams Transco's Nessie project is back. This
is the compressor station in Franklin and this is the pipeline that will cut through Old Bridge, uh, Seerville, South Amboy, then run under the Rarden Bay and go into Long Island, New Jersey. >> It already exists. >> It does not. There's existing pipelines. >> There's another pipeline there. There is
another pipeline there, but this is a new this is a new pipeline. The new pipeline >> is going to connect to the old bridge 207 compressor station, run through the right >> run through those under the Ritan Bay, go to Long Island. New Jersey will not
be receiving any of the gas. >> So, um, several towns have already passed resolutions opposing the project. I'm working with Old Bridge right now. I want to discuss the Madison loop part of the pipeline. We were just discussing
Route 9. This pipeline will cut under Route 9, then cut under the Parkwood Village, travel under the housing development there, cut through uh Cheesequake Creek, run just north of La Mer Clubhouse housing development, cut
under the New Jersey Parkway on the Seerville side, then cut directly through the Lockwood Marina, then right under Morgan's Bluff, impacting the only entrance to Morgan's Bluff, run through Old Spy Road, then it will go under
Route 35 just north of First Street, cut under the railroad tracks where New Jersey Transit runs, then end at the Raridan Bay. The Raridan Bay loop will then begin and go all the way to Long Island. And that where it starts in the Raridan Bay is right above the Raridan
Bay slag super fun site. So these are major roads, major highways, housing developments, businesses that are all going to be impacted. And then the construction of the pipeline in general will dredge up contamination into the bay and the bay that we've all worked
very hard to try to remediate and um just the re rejuvenation of marine life in general will be reversed if this project happens. So so far I've been working with um Kapport has passed a resolution in opposition to the project.
So has Hasllett, Aberdine, Madawan, Union Beach, Highlands, Franklin, South Brunswick, Montgomery all passed resolutions in opposition to this project. Mammoth County Commissioners have also opposed this project in 2019 and still stand in opposition to it. Um,
>> what does Mammoth County have? >> Mammoth County Commissioners passed a resolution in opposition to the project in 2019. >> And what about Middle Sex County? Uh, we have not worked with Middle Sex yet. We are working with them right now.
>> Okay. Stash, Councilman Stash Sinarski is environmental. >> I'm not passing the buck, but you need a point person to work with. >> I I have a million questions for you, but like just a quick one. What's the diameter and PSI inside the pipe?
>> Uh, I'm not sure. That's a That's a great engineering question. I can definitely email you the answer for that. >> Yeah, for sure. Yeah, definitely. There's a lot of things I'd like to know about it because there's multiple multiple lines that go there. We have a high pressure line that goes right next to a school. >> I know. Yeah. This this is the same
William Stransko project that we thought we won and beat that New York denied, New Jersey denied it. The FK certificate expired last year and then it revived its project a few months ago. So, it will need state permits. It needs land permits. the public only has about 25
days now to comment on the land permits, which is really ridiculous um because it needs in it needs uh flood plane permits, storm water permits, wetlands permits. Um and there are no public hearings. So that's what we're trying to ask New Jersey D to extend the public
comment hearing process so the public can comment on it, but also provide public public hearings, especially in Oldbridge and Seville because this pipe's going to be in people's backyards. So, it's really important for them to understand that they have a a pro like a a part they can participate
in this process. Um, I'm happy to >> do you have contact information with you? Your contact information? >> Yes. So, I think I sent all of you emails this morning and last week. So, um, I will also send you all that information as well. Okay. Thank you. >> Of course. Yeah.
>> Thank you, Jim. Thank you, Mayor Jim Robinson Parl. I first want to thank Councilman Drowski and Councilman Novak for keeping uh JC or trying to keep JCPL and all on track not letting that die. Um it's tough and
you seem to be the only two um working on it. So, I appreciate it. Also want to thank Councilman Zabrowski for the parking ordinance, the front yard parking ordinance, moving so quickly on that. Uh, Councilman Bala, uh, Councilwoman Novak, uh, I talked to you
about that as well. So, I appreciate that everybody's on board that, you know, a lot of miscommunication, a lot of incorrect information um, about this. So, I opened some information and I saw that the construction official wrote to the zoning officer. The zoning officer had
been on vacation for a week. construction official wrote after you council people contacted him that plenty of nonsense occurred last week regarding the permit for the driveways along Washington Road. Jay Cornell also stated that you should have denied the permit
application. So despite the department head calling your concern nonsense um and then the concern of the public's nonsense, I appreciate that you did that. Except although while I appreciate you did it, there was no discussion about it here. You're supposed to
discuss things before you vote to put things on the agenda. That's how open government works. I mean, I knew about it, but a lot of other people didn't. I I appreciate that go net speed was here for presentation. There are other companies that do that, too. But that
was one. I've been talking about this for close to a year, so I appreciate that you finally brought somebody in. I was very happy to see the police department asked for the $75,000 hate crimes grant. Um maybe when my time is done, somebody can explain what that is.
Maybe uh Mike, you can do that to your department. Um, I wasn't going to talk about this, but uh, Mayor, you said you didn't have a pack in response to Mr. O'Hlesk's uh, question or comment. You're right. Technically, you don't.
You have an independent expenditure committee that your chief of staff, your $93,000 a year chief of staff is the chairman of, and that's called Patriots for Progress. And interestingly enough, mayor, I was looking the other day
because somebody asked me a question. So, I went and did some research. I saw that the you got a $10,000 contribution to that independent expenditure committee. a $10,000 contribution from the burrow attorney
from the current burough attorney three month a month before the election 3 months before they were appointed January 1st. Uh, may I know you played games with the engineer, mayor, where you brought in that engineer from Ocean County and
um the folks Morgan Engineering to call that related to the uh to the GOP chair, but a $10,000 contribution from somebody who you've later later appointed the burough attorney, that just doesn't look
good, mayor. Um, and what other contributions are out there that we know about or don't know about? What other people looking for jobs or looking to build, looking for contracts? I think we should know that. I
appreciate the attorney's comment on open space and affordable housing. That is true. If property is open space, it isn't considered it isn't considered
for affordable housing. So, had we purchased that property as so many people have recommended and I happen to like Mr. Rios's idea that we have a referendum, maybe somebody will make a motion that we go to referendum on buying that
property. I think it would be a good idea and then it wouldn't be considered for open space uh for I'm sorry for affordable housing. So 40 acres of open space versus 250 apartments. You know where I am. Residency. I'm going to talk about this
next time because I'm running out of time. But I do find it interesting that you can't be under this ordinance a volunteer. So you can't serve on the open space committee or the cultural arts committee or the serville day committee. John
Bonjovi couldn't serve on the cultural arts committee in Seville. But we just appointed we just appointed somebody to the recreation department. We hired somebody for the recreation department who doesn't live in Saveville because as the
business administrator said there was no one qualified in Saraveville. You know why? You didn't advertise in Saraveville. You didn't advertise that position in Seville. You put it on the parks and recreation website,
but until I got wind of it because I look at those things and circulated it. Nobody knew that job was even there. I would want to sit me down. >> Thank you, >> Ken. >> Sure. is
doing something what would be the procedure for that and >> can't hear Mrs. >> Excuse me. >> Can't hear you. >> Oh, I'm sorry. It's It's difficult because when I'm talking to somebody down there, I'm away from the mic. I just was wondering um what is the
procedure for putting something on a referendum? Do we have enough time? I >> No, only because I I I'm actually working on a referendum for another municipality. It has to be adopted by resolution and well I shouldn't say no not within unless there's a special meeting held because it has to be
adopted by resolution. It has to be adopted uh uh uh and submitted to the county by August. And now I always get the hold on, let me get the calendar in front of you. It's August, >> right? >> August 8th, I believe it is.
>> So um we'd have to hold a special meeting um to to adopt such of a resolution to get it on for this this um this November's election. >> Mary, the other thing is we do not have a willing seller. We we contacted Mr. Marco and asked him if he would sell it
to the burrow and he said no. >> I it just >> so I mean I don't know where where you want to go with this. >> It just seems to me that you know we Kaplan didn't want to sell us that property over by Kennedy Park either but we really negotiated and worked with him
and and we finally got it. He was for years. I was on the open space committee for my god when Zagata was mayor and so many of the people, you know, didn't want it, didn't want it. But you just don't you got to keep at it. And it just seems to me that
>> what's the point of of the of this process if you don't have a willing seller? >> You have to have a willing seller. Well, Jim, you had you had your time. You had your
time. You had your time. >> Jim, you have had your time about 20 years ago. You had your time. >> I just Is is there any, you know, if if I made the motion to try to uh, you know, have a special meeting and go for a referendum, would I get a second on it?
>> Well, we can we can run things in tandem if you want. We can have Glenn call and discuss this with Peter Marco every month. >> All right. >> There I I'm gonna make a motion motion, Mary. >> That we put this on a referendum and if
it require a special referendum say >> that we don't include this property for affordable housing and we try to purchase it for open space. >> Councelor, I mean, you can certainly you can certainly do that. Uh what does that do with the study we just adopted? Um
the the two things just one um it can only be as a non-binding referendum. So it's just going to be getting the public's opinion. It still requires council uh well actually it require planning board op action because the >> master plan and the housing element that was just adopted is a planning board document. We're just endorsing it. In
fact under the municipal land use law doesn't require that. It's only as because it has to deal with affordable housing. The affordable housing act requires that the municipality endorse it uh because they want to show that they want to see evidence that the municipality is going to implement it at some point during the 10-year uh uh
round fourth round. So um it is just a planning board document. So even if the referendum passes, it still would be at the discretion of the planning board whether they want to amend it or not. It wouldn't be a binding. It wouldn't be a requirement. I just wanted to put that out there as to start. But um if it did
if it did get adopted and the planning board did amend it um then it depends on where we are in the process because we have uh they have the any objector has until August 31st to file an objection to our plan. Then it goes through a um a
a resolution kind of same way we the same process we went through when we adopted our number and went through uh with the program through settlement negotiations and sessions and hearings trying to resolve that. Uh that has to be resolved by the end of the year
December 31st 2025. So if it's during that time period um that's part that's part of the negotiations anyways. So depending on where we fall, we could have an objector that this plan could be amended anyways during that time period. Uh we just had to have it adopted by by
the planning board by June. So uh if it's after that fact and we already have an approval, then we might have to go back into the court um and so we'd have to justify it again as to whatever that amendment may be. But remember, we can't just take it out. we have to replace it
because that plan has to address our total number as as the planner was testifying to. Um and that's why if we can't just say, "Oh, we're going to take that piece of property out without having something to replace as to where we're going to come up with those units." >> So, that's just something to consider. >> I mean, I just it it just seems to me
that there are there are other options. And again, this is we will have to at some point it it's going to come back to us to change the zoning on that, right? >> Because that is zoned private. It's not zoned for residential. So to just pull something out like that that again governors uh I mean all of the people
that sat up here for years felt that that should not be residential and it ju it just seems to be that you know we were looking to buy it. Oh, he doesn't want to sell it because he he knows that this town was going to reszone it and it was going to make more profit for him
and nobody should nobody should no this all of this stuff seems to be just to make the developers richer. It's got nothing to do with affordable housing because I'll tell you some of those rents I couldn't afford, you know. So, affordable housing is not affordable as
was set up here before. And it, you know, and MCO knew that he couldn't have residential on there. And he just he's just thinks that, you know, because all of these things are for developers, got nothing to do with the residents in this town. And I'd still I'd still like to
make a motion to to put this on on a referendum to see what the people in this town think. >> Uh John, any com? Well, you have a you have a motion. Is there a second to the motion? >> I'll second it. >> Motion made and seconded. So, you need
to really be specific on what we're voting on. to remove this because it I because it's prime to remove it from the calculations. It cannot be residential. Okay. Maybe maybe we should look for uh
you know now that we know Ashlin's going to be empty. >> No, there's no >> Okay. I >> dreaming here. It's >> put it before put it before the residents of this town whether that should remain prime or whether it should be allowed to be residential and affordable housing. >> Wait a minute. The residential. So,
there are two options on the referendum. >> No, right. To leave it as it's currently zoned. How's that? To leave that property, the 40 acres by Kennedy Park as it is currently zoned for prime. >> What? So, repeat what we're voting on,
please. to leave the property as it's currently the 40 acres by Kennedy Park as it's currently zoned which is prime because we'd have to change it to residential >> motion.
>> Well, I I would like to acquire it. I mean, I I hear Jim say, >> "What is the motion >> to remove this property from the affordable?" >> Either you stop talking or I'm going to or you're going to have to You are either stop talking or leave the room.
That That's your options. >> I I I hate I hate to put it into a referendum that we buy it because, as Kennedy said, you know, uh that's really up to the seller. So, I mean, I would like it. I think we already had a motion years ago to to buy this property. I
realize we can't sell it, but we can't force him to sell it, but we can vote to leave this as resident as prime the current zoning. >> Is that legal? >> The only we can do the municipalities
can put forth non-binding res uh uh referendums on. >> Okay. There's li they can't do there's very limited uh in our form of government there's very limited basis to put binding res uh referendums on right uh and this would have to fall under a non-binding referendum which is just
basically forformational purposes for the municipality to collect these public >> so if this if this if this parcel gets pulled out of the the plan we voted to adopt tonight do we then have to redo >> yes well no actually we don't have to do anything because once again it's only a
non-binding referendial So what would happen is if this goes on for referendum and let's say the referendum does pass the interest is they don't want this property in part of the plan then it's still left to the discretion of the planning board whether they want to act or not. Nothing could end up resulting from it because the planning board could
say we're we're sticking with this until we find out otherwise from the courts as to what the resolution is and or we just want this property in and we're not taking it out and that's left to the planning board's discretion no matter what the results of the apprendom would be. >> Okay. All right. So, this is like a no
harm, no foul uh government, not particularly at its best, but um I would have no objection to vote on the non-binding referendum. Uh and and it would be in the spirit of
working together uh with Mary and Dan and and um I I I wouldn't see an objection to voting for this. So, mayor, state your referendum and and I'll call for a I'll call for comments and then a second.
>> Well, I would like the referendum to say that this property should remain as it's currently zoned. So, it'll be removed from the affordable housing um plan. Uh and I I don't think it I'd like to put
in there, too, but it it I don't see how it can be enforced. You could tell the residents put in there that we that the town moved forward on purchasing this property. >> Well, repeat it again because you're adding as
as you go through this. I I understand the process, but but you have to be fairly clear on this, mayor. Yeah, if I may, mayor, because is because I'm I'm going to have to draft this resolution to referendum and I do referendums >> have been held many times struck down because they weren't even with non-binding ones because they weren't
clear very clearly stated. So, I got to make sure I understand what you want on there. Um, so from what I understand, you're you're the referendum is going to state uh whether or not the public wants this property taken out of the adopted housing element and fair share plan to
be kept as currently zoned. Did I did I summarize it correctly because that's what I have in my notes. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> All right. So, that is the motion. Mary. >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh before we go for a second, are there other are there comments?
>> Is I do have a question because >> although the motion has well I'll have to ask for a second again. Uh but let me ask for >> is there a second? >> Yes. >> Okay. So motion made by Mary. Seconded
by Dan. Questions. >> I do have a question. Um, and I need attorney answer for this because my understanding is we keep it as prime. That is what we're zoned for. It is in
the plan currently. It's prime. So, it is not to be used for affordable housing. Isn't it the state that does the zoning overlay to allow that? Is there any way we could prevent that? >> It's non it's nonbinding, Mary. Th this
is strictly a political move by the local Democratic party trying to create an issue hoping that you and Sash and John and Mike vote no on it. Uh, so that's why since it's a harmless waste
of time, I would recommend you vote yes on it. >> So, so it is the the state is the one that has the ability to do the overlay anyway. >> Well, I'm not sure what you mean by overlay. I'm sorry. is if if this went forward as an affordable
house, then the municipality adopts the or overlay ordinance how it wants to see that property developed as affordable housing in compliance with how it's outlined in the master plan or or the the the housing housing element that was just uh adopted. Um so that's all within
the municipalities. I'm not sure what and there could be something that involves a state that I'm just not misunderstanding your question, but ultimately the the zoning of this property will be in control and decided by this governing body, whatever zoning would finally be put in place one way or the other. Um, so that being said, it
it's just purely from the from their strategist who's got nothing to work with, he he came up with this. So motion is made and seconded. If there are no questions, I'll call for a roll call vote. I would recommend that
since it falls in the category of of fantasy world and made up a non-binding referendum, uh that everybody vote uh yes on it. Roll call. >> Council persons Novak, >> yes.
>> Vala, >> yes. >> Khesi, >> yes. >> Roberts, >> yes. Sarski, >> I'm sorry. No, not I tried buying a lot next door to my father's house. It's 35 ft by 100. The
lot next to my father's house is 35 by 150. The lot sold for 200,000. You kept repeating yourself saying you could buy this lot. It's only estimated at 700,000 690,000 for 40 acres. I'll buy it tomorrow myself. You there's no such thing. And we can't condemn the
property. For what reason? I I I don't understand how you could just take somebody's property and condemn it. >> He doesn't make sense, but that doesn't mean >> I'm sorry. I'm voting no. >> Okay, >> Zowski, >> I'm going to vote no as well. I I I I don't We have a responsibility as a
council to do what's right. Not what's politically efficient, but to do what's right. And I agree with St. This is not this is not efficient government. this is a political stand for something that doesn't make sense without understanding
the issue further and really non-binding I would agree most residents would say no but but as responsible group we have a respons fiduciary responsibility to make sure that we're make we're passing good resolutions and I don't see this as
being a good resolution it's not well thought out it's been convoluted it's been changed 16 times since we've be up here in the last 10 minutes quite frankly To me, it's just irresponsible. No, >> it's pure Robinson, but it is what it is. So, is that a tie score? A tie?
>> No, it u. >> Yes. Okay. Next thing is now when you want to hold a special meeting. If you're on a deadline, >> when do you need the special meeting? >> When do we have to have it? >> We have to submit it to the county by August. Friday, August 8th is the
deadline. 88 days. >> So, next Monday. Do we have time to advertise >> advertise um tomorrow morning and that's >> there's we have nothing July 28th here
that's >> will I have a quorum for >> a week from today? >> Yes. Mayor, just aware I'm out of the state that whole week, so I'd have to send someone else from my office to come. >> Jessica, what's the date again, please?
>> Next Monday, the 28th. >> I don't know yet. >> Mayor, I have a conflict on the 28th. >> All right. What What date next week uh is
free for everybody? I'm >> good every day. I beg your pardon. or the latest we can do is August 4th. >> Is everyone free? August 4th August is better. John, can you do it? The fourth. >> Yes.
>> Mike. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Mary. >> Yeah. No, I'm good. >> Okay. Donna, >> good. >> Sash, >> as of right now, yes, >> Dan. Okay. So, we'll do it August 4, 7
o'clock. >> Want to try for six? >> Oh, What? >> Early at six. >> Um, Donna has to come from Jersey City, so make it seven. >> So, let let's shoot for six o'clock. Today was a special circumstance. The
road was um closed down, so it took a lot longer. I can make it for six. >> What time? Six. Okay. So, August 4th, 6 o'clock. All right. Everybody okay with that?
All right. >> All right. Anything else, Mary? >> I just would like to say one thing. In our rules of order, uh, number 15, it says, "No illusion shall be made to the motives motives of any member in the course of his debate or of performance
of his duty." And I'm telling you, I used to have a problem with this all the time, but we made it all the way through July without somebody accusing me of, you know, doing something for political. I voted to put this in prime all those years ago. I voted to purchase this property. This isn't political for me
because I've been voting for this on and off for 15 years. >> Thank you, Mayor. >> Uh, all right, Ken. Ken Olski Sable. Um, I find it ironic that we can't condemn the property. Uh, they're
condemning quick tire and Perth Amboy in the apartment house next to it and a farm in Cranberry. It's all over the news, even on national news. So, but that's not what I'm here for. Um, I I find it strange on this residency requirement that you're going to working
on an ordinance for. Uh, I can remember not too long ago we fought like hell to uh to to let a couple of uh uh brothers in get on one of our boards. I hope it's not a vendetta against somebody here because we have a lot of vendettas that
come out on this stuff. And it it it just seems quite strange that we're doing that. And you know what? We're hiring. We got people working for us from Philadelphia and promoting America. They're meeting to something. But uh yeah, somebody that lives in South Amboy
can't serve on our board or an old bridge. That sounds like a joke coming up. Uh ladies and gentlemen, uh to mayor to you, uh you talked about Gillette Manor and the affordable housing. Um I think you might have gotten one thing wrong. Maybe not. I I couldn't hear you
all that well back there. But um I want to remind everybody as chairman of of uh of Gillette of Cable Housing Authority for Gillette Manor, we took and designated 84 units at Gillette for
affordable housing. And that saved us from having to build hundreds and hundreds of more affordable housing units in town, having a developer build those. And as a result of that, we had
to unfortunately, and I didn't like it, take away the requirement that at Gillette you was for serville residents. We had to take that away. So, I think you you stand corrected on a mayor if I heard you before, but uh I'm sure you
didn't do it intentionally, but that was that was the detail on it saved us. It saved the builders coming in and building hundreds of units. 84 of those units were designated as affordable housing. So I hope everybody uh might
understand that. Um talking about uh talking about uh what I said before about Zack. Uh I think it stands maybe I was wrong on on that. It was a pack. But apparently he chaired he
chaired or chairs a dark money committee. Uh that's they got you a lot of money. And then I hear that uh there's a $10,000 donation from the from the
attorney's firm uh before he gets appointed on January 1. Uh, you know, when I was uh the the Beatles, the Beatles have a had a hit song a while back called Money Can't Buy Me Love.
I remember as a kid in Serville and for years it was Serville, home of nationally known industry. But we give jobs to people that chair packs.
uh we hire attorneys that have made huge contributions. I think maybe uh maybe we need a new slogan for sevil uh and maybe that that serville should be money can buy jobs,
professional appointments and developer and developer favors like pilots. That's the servil we're living in right now. Let me say it again so you understand it. money can buy jobs, professional appointments, and developer favors like
pilots. Congratulations to to mayor to you and and the four people that with you the council president who in in in behest of of ridiculous things you've come out with having cops come and escort people to their seat who have
done nothing wrong but kind of talk about government things and some of the other ridiculous changing of a 5 minute to three minute public portion and and Donna Roberts the council president normally the council president because I sat there would take over and and get to
something that had meaning and wasn't so ridiculous or that people would get the hell up and walk out of the room so you didn't have a quorum when you come up with those things. But uh they sit there and do nothing. And I think that's the new slogan that this government right
here, the secret government that you run for the for the first time in the history of the burrow since 1920. That's the history of Sarah over a hundred years and it's the first time you didn't answer questions and the ones you take
care of are people that donate. That's obvious by some of the things that have been brought out here tonight. Thank you very much. That's uh that that's that's a town that we certainly can't be proud of. Anyone else? Bob
Bob Duffy, 111 Merit Avenue. I stood in front of this microphone the beginning of the year and I shared my concerns over getting a new ordinance in town and it was read tonight. And I want to thank
the attorney, the mayor, the council, and everybody that worked on it for doing it. Number two, I uh would like to talk to John. You and your group at the planning board. Uh I want to thank you very much
for acting very professional in an environment that was very bad. And to sit there and listen and take that stuff is truly ethical group you have. And I want to thank you personally and send
that to your group and that uh you did something good for the people in the area but you did something great for the township. Okay. And I just want to thank you very
much for that. Thank you, mayor. Thank you, Bob. Anyone else? Being no one else, I'll entertain a motion to close the public portion. >> Motion to close the public portion. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> All in favor? >> All in favor?
>> All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. Before adjournment, a couple of things. Uh what what I see going on a lot this particular campaign season is the spread of misinformation. I was told
today that the latest silliness is um they're going to seniors and they're telling them that the burrow is deforesting Journey Mill Road so that they can build residential homes. Um
that that's just an outright lie. That's that exceeds misinformation. Just so everybody knows there it's absolute fantasy. But that listen, when when when you have the talent uh or lack of talent that you
have in a political party, that's what you come out with. The other thing I when I first became mayor, um Jim Robinson was adamantly opposed to building Patriot Hills because it was behind his townhouse Association and he
was adamantly vehemently uh against the extension of Ernston Road to Main Street. He would call me up and say all kinds of things. So, that being said, there there is stuff that has passed in my uh terms, my uh six terms
as mayor, and there's things that haven't. So, I notice on Facebook they took a picture of the property behind Costaver and are attributing it to me. That was like a 26 acre site owned by national
lead which from time to time in the first 20 years I was mayor builders would come to me and I'd say no that you can't do it. So when my wife got sick I stepped down for four years and it went through the planning board uh under uh
Mayor Kilpatrick and I was wondering who was advising her. Same thing with the two apartment buildings going up uh down uh down at the end of Main Street before the Main Street extension. There there's a number
of of things that went up as far as this obsession with only hiring several people. Ken, I remember when you commuted to King of Prussia every day to go to work, right? I mean, is this some kind of thing that everybody's stuck
that you got to you got to stay in Seville, you can't go outside of Seville? Uh I I remember all this stuff. I remember Jim for for a number of years going up to uh uh Hunan County and
Sussex County. You know, this is uh what's what's good for you is not good for the people of Seville. Apparently, >> being fair, >> that being it's important. Ah, >> you don't understand. >> Wow, that is something. That is
something. That is something. >> All right. So, now that Jim is on a roll, I will adjourn the meeting so we don't have to suffer anymore. >> Take a motion for adjournment. >> Motion to adjourn.
>> Bye, Jim. Have a nice night. >> Have a nice night, Jim. >> Is there a second? Second. >> Thank you. >> All in favor?