Okay, good evening everyone. I'm going to start uh the meeting with a short prayer and a salute to our flag. Everyone, please rise. Almighty God, grant us the wisdom to make those decisions that are in the best interest of all our residents. May
the heavenly father of us all bless those who have given the ultimate sacrifice in service to our nation. And may he watch over and protect our service men and women now guarding the gates of freedom. Salute to the flag.
>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Uh if you uh statement of publication,
>> take notice that this regular agenda meeting of the mayor and burough council being held on this 24th day of November 2025 has been posted and advertised in accordance with open public meetings act chapter 231 public law 1975. >> Roll call. >> Council persons Bala >> here. >> Helissi >> here.
>> Novak Roberts Sarski >> here. Zabowski, >> let the record show that Councilwoman Novak and Councilwoman uh Roberts have excused absences. That being said, I'm
going to ask for the approval of the prior minutes of the mayor and council for November 10th, 2025, regular and agenda session. Is there a motion? >> Move the following minutes of the mayor and council be approved on roll call vote subject to correction if necessary. November 10th, 2025 regular and agenda
session. Is there a second? >> Roll call. >> Council persons Bala Khesi. >> Yes. >> Zarski, >> yes. >> Zabrouski, >> yes. >> Okay. At this time, we're going to go into close session for how long, gentlemen? >> I'll read the resolution. Okay.
>> Whereas section 8 of the Open Public Meetings Act, Chapter 231, Public Law 1975, permits exclusion of the public from a meeting in certain circumstances, and whereas this public body is of the opinion that such circumstances presently exist. Now therefore it be resolved by the mayor and burough council the borrow of seville county and
middle sex state of New Jersey as follows. The public portion of this meeting is hereby adjourned in order that the governing body may meet in close private session for approximately 10 minutes to discuss the following matters. Attorney client privilege litigation bus depot. Following the conclusion of said closed session, the governing body shall reconvene the open
portion of this public meeting to consider any other matters which may be properly brought before it at this time. and the nature and content of the discussion which occurs in close session shall be made public at such time as the need for nondisclosure no longer exists. This resolution shall take effect immediately. >> Is there a motion?
>> So moved. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Council persons Bala. >> Yes. >> His >> yes. >> Sarski. >> Yes. >> Zerowski. >> Yes. And just so the public knows that I'm going to rec recuse myself from this
session as the board of ed is my employer. >> Okay. I take a motion to go back into open and move. Is there a second? >> Roll call. Council person Zabroski. Yes. >> Bala. >> Yes. >> Khesi.
>> Yes. >> Zarski. >> Yes. >> Okay. Next item. >> Uh public hearing on the following ordinance. Ordinance number 33-25. Burrow of Saraveville County and Middle Sex. Ordinance amending the bureau's regulations and permitting requirements
for the holding of special events throughout the Burough of Saraveville. >> At this time, I'm going to open the public portion for questions or comments on this ordinance. Are there any questions or comments? Being no questions or comments, I'll entertain a motion. Councilman Bala, is that right?
>> Sinarski, >> I move the public hearing be closed. The ordinance adopted on second and final reading and advertised according to law. >> Second roll call. >> Council person Sarski, >> yes. >> Bala, >> yes. >> His >> yes. >> Zowski,
>> yes. Public hearing on ordinance number 34-25, Burrow of Seville, County of Middle Sex, Ordinance amending the Burrow's regulations and permitting requirements for the use of the portable stage. >> This time, I'm going to open the public portion for questions or comments. Are there any questions or comments? Being
none, I'll entertain a motion to close the public portion. Councilman Sarski, >> I move the public hearing to close the ordinance adopted on second and final reading and advertise according to the >> second roll. Uh, roll call. >> Council person Sonorski,
>> yes. >> Bala, >> yes. >> Kissesi, >> yes. >> Zabrowski, >> yes. >> Public hearing on ordinance number 35-25, Burrow of Save County of Middle Sex, Ordinance amending the Burough's regulations and permitting requirements for the renting of parks and picnic areas within the burough's parks.
>> I'll this time I'll open the public portion for questions or comments. Are there any questions or comments? Being none, I will uh ask for a motion. Councilman Sinarski, >> I move the public hearing be closed. The ordinance adopted on the second and final reading and advertised according
to the law. >> Second roll call. >> Council person Sarski. >> Yes. >> Valka. >> Yes. >> His >> yes. >> Zabowski. >> Yes. >> Public hearing on ordinance number 36-25, Burough of Save County and Middle Sex. Ordinance amending the bureau's regulations and permitting requirements
for the special event vendor permit. >> This time I'm going to open for the public questions or comments on this ordinance. Are there any questions or comments? Being none, I'll entertain a motion. Councilman Bala, >> move the public hearing be closed. The ordinance adopted on second final
reading and advertised according to law. >> Uh, is there a second? >> Roll call. >> Council persons Bala. >> Yes. >> Lissi, >> yes. >> Sarski, >> yes. >> Zabowski, >> yes. >> Public hearing on ordinance number 37-25, Burough of Seville, County of Middle Sex, Ordinance amending Chapter
2-64, fees and licenses. >> This time, I'll open the public portion for any questions or comments on this ordinance. Are there any? Being none, I'll entertain a motion. Councilman Bala, >> move the public hearing be closed. The ordinance adopted on second final reading and advertised according to law.
>> Is there a second? >> Roll call. >> Council persons Bala. >> Yes. >> Liy, >> yes. >> Sarski, >> yes. >> Zabowski, >> yes. >> Next item, >> public hearing on ordinance number 38-25, Bur of Seville County and Middle
Sex. Ordinance regarding environmental commission. This time I'm going to open the public portion for questions or comments on this ordinance. Other questions or comments? Being none, I'll entertain a motion. Councilman Sinarski public hearing be
a second and final reading. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Council person Sarski. >> Yes. >> Bala. >> Yes. >> Kesi. >> Yes. >> Zabrowski. This time I'm going to uh open the public portion on resolutions. Uh are
there any questions or comments? Being none, I'll entertain a motion. Um Councilman Zowski, >> move the public hearing be closed and the consent agenda resolutions be approved on roll call vote. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Roll call.
>> Zowski. Yes. Bala >> vote no on 2025254 and 2025255. Yes on all our items. >> Lisi, >> yes. >> Dinarkski, >> yes.
>> I need a motion to accept the correspondence. >> Was there a motion? Is there a second? >> Second. >> Motion made and seconded. >> Council persons Bala, >> yes. >> Lissi, >> yes. >> Sarski, >> yes. >> Zabrski,
>> yes. >> Okay. report to mayor and counsel, administration and finance Councilman Bala. >> Thank you, mayor. I just want to wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving and uh progress on the administrative and finance report and also progress on the pub uh public works section too.
>> Okay. Thank you. Planning and zoning. Councilman Zabrski to report is from >> only thing to report is from our active adult center. Uh we have December 5th is the Christmas concert. Uh if uh those
are interested, they register at the office or they can go on the website. Uh and there are a couple other events going on for that month. Uh we have a holiday craft on December 1st. Uh a ready to noted the Christmas concert on the 5th. On the 10th we have healthy aging at home. The 12th stress
management. The 29th health screenings. Um and I'd also like to wish everyone a wonderful and very blessed and happy Thanksgiving. Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh, public safety Councilman Klesy. >> Thank you, Mayor. Uh, I'm going to begin
with the, uh, police chief's report from, uh, Chief Dan Plumacher. Over the past two weekends, the Sarahville Police Department, joined by mayors of the Juvenile Academy, held two successful food drives at ShopRite. Thanks to the
generosity of our residents, they've collected muchneeded items to support our local food pantries and families in need. He thanks everyone who donated and volunteered. Traffic safety initiatives are ongoing.
With the support of a $28,000 state grant, officers continue increased enforcement targeting aggressive and impaired driving. Saraveville will also be participating in the statewide goal
zero campaign on Thanksgiving Eve. You'll see you'll see the signs out on the road. a coordinated effort to reduce um crashes, injuries, and fatalities on New Jersey roadways through visible
patrols and proactive enforcement. In early December, the police department will again partner with our recreation department for a holiday toy drive at Walmart in Old Bridge, helping to assure local families to um they have support
during the Christmas season. The department will also take part in this year's parade of lights on Sunday, December 7th, 6 pm, assisting with road closures and presenting a collaborative float with the Bombers Beyond Cafe
program. So from emergency management director Chris Barsley notes that on November 16th, Sarahville OEM worked alongside our fire department, police department, Hackinack Meridian EMS, and our mutual
aid partners from South Amboy and Perth Amboy to successfully locate and rescue two stranded Boers along the Raridan River. Both individuals were safely transported to Perth Amboy Hospital for
evaluation. We thank all agencies involved for their professionalism and teamwork. I also want to highlight that an important uh community opportunity from our office of emergency management.
Registration is now open for the 2026 CERT basic training program beginning January 19th at Saraveville OEM headquarters on Main Street. CERT training is an incredible asset to our
community. It it equips residents with uh practical knowledge and hands-on skills to assist during emergencies, support their families and neighbors, and strengthen our town's overall preparedness. It's free, it's open to
adults over 18, and it's a great way to be involved. So for more information, you know, residents can register using the QR code on the OEM announcement which is on the Facebook page. Um they
can contact uh coordinator Kathy Moscow directly with any questions or myself and I'll direct you over. And lastly from the Sarville Fire Department, no additional updates at this time, but they extend their warm wishes to the council and to the
community for a safe and happy Thanksgiving. In closing, I also want to wish all our residents a happy and safe Thanksgiving. And I look forward to seeing everyone at the parade of lights on Sunday, December 7th, 6 pm. Be there.
That's the end of my report. >> Thank you, Councilman. Uh, public works, Councilman Bala. Okay. Water and sewer, environmental, Councilman Sinarski, and then just go right into Wreck if you would, Sash.
>> Yes. Thank you, Mayor. Uh, as far as the wreck goes, that's what I was also going to mention. We have the holiday parade, which I still call the Christmas parade coming up on the 7th, like Mike said, 6 p.m. Uh, recreation department with along with all the other departments that help them do a great job throughout
the course of the year. Uh, as far as my reports go, like for the community garden and everything else, that's pretty much wrapped up for the year. But I saw a lot of happy faces there throughout the year, a lot of people enjoyed it. The the smiles when people, even young adults and kids, grow
something and then they get to pick it and eat it. It's just an enjoyable site. So, the community gardens is something that other people should get involved in. There's enough of plots next year, sign up, join it. It gives you great satisfaction to grow something there. Uh
water and sewer. We do have some issues going on in lower Save at the Bamer's pumping station. Uh within the next two weeks that's going to be addressed. I don't know what the expense is going to be to the burrow. There's no problem with any of his buddy's homes backing up or anything else, but it's just some
money that's going to be spent at the Bhurst Avenue pump station. I'll give you more details at the next council meeting. Other than that, progress mayor. >> Okay. Thank you. Uh, I just wanted to make a note on Saturday there was a fundraiser at the Little League um
complex and it was done by Lightbridge Academy. There was a young family who who was a little boy developed a neurological um disease. He didn't. And and this was it's I think it's $2.5 million for him
to try some experimental um program for it. And anyway, uh Lightbridge Academy uh as well as Megan Bowden who's who's a servil girl and she's an executive with Lightbridge. She
she was the point person and they did a great job. So the serville police, the firemen, the people of Saveville, the Seville Little League, Seville did what it does best. It came out in in mass and unison to help this little boy. So job
well done, Lightbridge. Job well done, Megan. That being said, we'll go to general discussion items. >> Authorization toward a contract to GPC, Inc. of Milbourne, New Jersey to paint the finance department offices and the main room in the tax office through
Mammoth Ocean County Co-op contract in amount not to exceed $22,255.17. >> Any objection? Next item. >> Application for a person-toperson transfer from Pats Pub to 367 Pub Corp. >> Any objection? Next item. >> Authorization to purchase 1226 Ford
Bronco for the construction office from All-American Ford of Paramis. >> Any objection? Next item, >> authorization to purchase 1226 Ford Bronco for the construction office from All-American Ford uh in the amount not to exceed $39,898.30.
>> Any objection? Next item. >> Authorization to purchase five 2025 Chevy Taho for the police department from Pellegro Chevrolet through the Bergen County co-op contract in amount not exceed $284,19.38. >> Any objection? Next item. Authorization
of purchase 1225 Chevy Tahoe for the fire department from Pelgro Chevrolet through the Bergen County co-op contract in amount not to exceed $59,14047. >> Any objection? Next item. >> Authorization to purchase fire equipment from Skylands Area Fire Equipment and
Training through New Jersey State Contract in an amount not to exceed $80,2718. >> Any objection? Next item. Authorization to purchase one 2026 Ford F250 for the fire department from All-American Ford Apparis through ESCJ
contract in an amount not to exceed $54,966.50. >> Any objection? Next item. >> Authorization to enter into a shared service agreement between the Burrow of Save and the County of Middle Sex for goose control uh at a fee not to exceed $17,112.33.
>> Any objection? Next item. Authorization to purchase one 2026 Kenworth mini packer truck from Gabrieli Truck Sales through Sourcewell contract in amount not to exceed $229,685.81. >> Any objection? Next item. Authorization
to purchase one T770 Bobcat compact track loader from Woods Machinery, Bobcat of Central Jersey through ESCJ contract and amount not to exceed $112,928.32. >> Any objection? Next item. Authorization
to purchase one Elgen Broom Bear Street Sweeper from We Timberman of White House through Sourcewell contract in amount not to exceed $415,890.30. >> Any objection? >> Authorization to purchase two 2026 Ford F250 utility pickup trucks for the road
department and buildings and grounds from Winter Ford through NJ State contract in amount not to exceed $119,662. >> Any objection? Authorization to purchase two 2026 F 250 pickup trucks for the road department and parks department
from Winter Ford through NJ state contract in amount not exceed $95,48. >> Any objection? Next item. >> Authorization to purchase 1226 Ford Ranger from All-American Fordis through ESCJ contract in amount not exceed
$39,898.30. >> Any objection? Next item. Application for a special event received from Wayne's Auto Body to hold a Toys for Tot Show at 1938 Highway 35 on December 7th from 8:00 a.m. to 12:00 noon. >> Any objection? Okay. Um,
>> authorization to promote Marissa Barbie from clerk one to violations clerk in the municipal court effective December 1st, 2025. >> Any objection. Next item. >> Authorization to promote Joyce Wick from clerk 2 to violations clerk in the municipal court effective December 1st,
2025. Any objection? CFO's report. >> Thank you, mayor. Um, all I have for this meeting is a transfer resolution. Thank you. >> Thank you. Engineers report. >> Thank you, mayor. At the last meeting, you adopted the bond ordinance for your future road improvements. We're looking for authorization to prepare plans and
specifications and bid those projects. >> Okay. Any objections? >> Uh, burough attorney. >> Thank you, mayor. Nothing from the burough attorney. >> Okay. At this time, I'm going to open the public portion for questions and comments. Sharon, let me get Sharon
first. >> Hi everybody. Me and the cultural arts council, we all showed up tonight because we heard we got some phone calls this morning that something was changing with cultural arts, but now we see it's off the agenda. It was on the agenda this morning and we we both got some
calls. So, we're just wondering what's happening with cultural arts. >> Cultural arts, you're just going to go under the the management of uh recreation. >> Okay. They It was worded something about three people would be appointed.
>> I would recommend you go over it with Brian. Uh it needed more work. So, go over it with my recommendation would be you go over with Brian. Uh Donna isn't here and I don't have the answers to your questions. Okay. >> All right.
>> So, Brian's in charge of all of those changes or adjustments. >> Yep. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Have a happy Thanksgiving. >> Thank you. You, too. >> Uh Jim, >> yeah, but Jim was next.
Jim. >> Thank you, Mayor Jim Robinson. Parlin. Uh, I understand there was a settlement conference today with the Fair Share Coalition. Is that accurate? Attorney didn't report on it, but did that take place? Okay. A few months ago when we
were having a discussion on preserving the 40 acres that Peter Mako owns be behind Kennedy Park, I mentioned that the burrow attorney's firm also represented Peter Macco
and everybody including Joe said they were surprised at that. He said he didn't he didn't know that. And I trust him at that. I'm I'm kind of surprised that everybody in this room I was the only one who knew that, but be that as it may. And Mary Novak noted
that in 2024 that the firm was appointed as the um affordable housing council and I don't know if they still represented Mr. Makco in 2024 or not. Um at the last meeting,
uh Councilman elect Rios asked that the attorney not be involved in anything involving um Peter MCO and that 40 acres and the attorney agreed. Now, I will mention that when there was a discussion on whether or not we should have a referendum to let the people decide if
we should purchase that those 40 acres, the burough attorney advised against it. The burough attorney who was representing the burrow and I assume not representing Mr. MCO, but but who knows?
Well, when I learned from Fair Share Coalition about the settlement conference scheduled for this morning or today, I don't know if it was this morning or not, um I sent an email last week to the mayor and council, to the administrator, to the clerk, to everybody asking who was representing
the burrow at today's affordable housing settlement conference. I got no answer. Mary Novak sent a re a reply to all saying she didn't know, but if somebody knew, would they please let Mr. Robinson
know? I got no answer. Well, in life, you learn often that no answer is an answer. And maybe now I understand why I wasn't told. But
who represented the burrow at the settlement conference today? What what law firm? >> The burough attorney represented us, Mr. Swordillo. >> Okay. But the Burough Attorney's Office
has indicated at the last as late as the last council meeting that they understood they had a conflict and they would not be involved in any discussions concerning Mr. Macco. >> That's correct. >> And Mr. MCO's 40 acres are central to
our affordable housing plan. You can't discuss our affordable housing plan without discussing MCO's 40 acres. There's a domino effect. They're inetraably linked. I mean, it's like
talking about the Ukraine without without mentioning Russia. I mean, it is central. It is a part. The attorney has a conflict on the principal part of that plan.
And you know what the people want? They're tired of the paytoplay. They're not I'm not even going to bring up the $10,000 contribution again, but they're tired of the conflicts. They're tired of the games. We were told there would be a recusal.
We were lied to. The same firm that represented Peter MCO represented the burrow at a settlement conference having to do with affordable housing. How I mean
a fourth grader would know there's a conflict there. A fourth grader would know that you shouldn't be doing that. You know, it's and there's a pattern here. like when the people voted to restore the firehouse. Now we find that historic
preservation money is being used to convert or rehabilitate the firehouse into what the mayor called a modern state of the state-of-the-art office, but we're using historic preservation funds for that. People are tired of this. >> 30 seconds, Jim.
>> Okay. Um, let me go on to uh ask two more questions then and and and I will expect an answer on this. Um, thank you for pulling that uh recreation advisory cultural arts thing. I that does need more work. I see that we're awarding a
$40,000 painting contract to a firm in Milbour. No painters in Seville. Do we reach out to any serville painters? And I would I guess I don't have time to ask. >> Thank you, Jim.
Who's getting the Ford Bronco Sport 4x4 Badlands? It's a pretty nice It's a pretty nice vehicle. >> Maybe somebody wants to answer that. Actually, the administrators Thank you, Jim. >> That's the >> Thank you, Jim. >> You're welcome, Mayor. And happy
Thanksgiving. >> And happy Thanksgiving to you, Jim. >> That being said, if you'd like to address it, um, >> we can make it clear here. I know this was said at the last meeting by my colleague Joseph Sardillo. I'll
reiterate it. We don't believe that there's a conflict of interest. However, to avoid the appearance of impropriy, we will recuse ourselves from any dealings involving the MCO property. >> Okay. Thank you. Are there any other
questions? Yes. Do you want to get your shot set up? >> That's good. >> Okay. >> If you would say who you are >> camera, you've got one going, too. I just want wanted to bring one more. >> You know what I mean? >> Okay. Who are you? >> Um,
I was debating about giving my name or not because I know there was a gentleman that came up here and he and he wasted like I think 30 30 minutes of your time. Who >> was there a gentleman up here that came up here one time that wasted 30 minutes of your time because he >> 30 minutes? >> Not not in the last two years.
>> It's been a while. >> And you and you are? >> So, my name is Vinnie. I'm with Garden State Accountability. I'm a longtime resident of Middle Sex County. I'm here because something's happening in Saveville that doesn't sit right with me. >> Okay. >> And it shouldn't sit right with anybody who cares about fairness and
accountability. Uh a YouTuber Matthew uh with the channel Two Feet Outdoors is being accused of trespassing on private property. The problem is simple. When he was there, there was no trespassing signs posted. None. Only after he was
summoned to court to appear months later that the signs came magically appeared. he went to check it out and uh um so there claim had walked past the signs that didn't exist at the time and
that's just not that's u not just a misunderstanding that's a false narrative that can be proven with video and a timeline. Um his case is scheduled for trial on December 18th at 10 a.m. The act the accusation should concern everyone here because it points to something bigger. The owner of the
waterfront pro uh waterfront property is Kristen Court Bowie. She's a well-connected attorney in Sarville and Middle Sex County. Uh sitting on the same property is 110T yacht that has been polluting our local waterways for years. Anyone who who has ever voted or
lived here knows that this is not normal. It's not safe. It's not something ordinary and no resident should get away with it. It raises real concerns about selective enforcement and abuse of influence. Many of us grew up here boating these
waterways completely unaware that something like this was happening right under our nose. Uh it shouldn't take citizens with cameras to expose it. I wanted to thank Matthew and Sean of Long Island Audit for bringing this situation into the light because I've lived in Middle Sex County. I I never even knew
it and I voted past probably right past the uh the property. never saw it. Uh, it's tucked in there pretty good. So, um, so thank you to them for bring making it possible to bring it bring it to my attention. So, tonight I'm asking the council to do the appropriate and
the appropriate departments to do two things. Drop the wrongful um trespassing charge against Matthew and conduct an investigation uh a long-term uh environmental investigation on the uh property, the vessel, and the surrounding area at this
location. The residents deserve the truth. They expect full exposure of what's really happening. They deserve accountability and no one in this town should be able to twist the law and protect themselves while targeting others. So, thank you for your time. >> I I would hope for a response.
>> Okay. So, the the response is the thing uh with Matthew uh whom I know it has to follow its course um through the through the courts. What about the pollution of the law? >> Well, that's you had two issues. So, the
first issue is Matthew. Um, so he he has to um he has to stay the course and and hope justice will prevail. Uh that being said, uh as far as the this property, this is on the Washington Canal
>> on the South River, I believe. >> Yeah, that's Viking Terminal. >> It's behind a Viking terminal. >> Okay. Thank you. Have you have you filed a complaint with with >> D and what was their response? >> Received anything back? >> I haven't received anything back yet.
>> Okay. Um Jay, will they will the D contact us? >> Well, it doesn't serve investigate these things and say, >> well, we no we would we would bring in in the D. We don't we don't have >> they wouldn't be able to leave it there.
>> Leave what? If I left my car on the side of the road, I wouldn't be able to leave there. >> I'm not understanding. Do you understand, Jay? >> I think if the burrow filed a claim with the D, you probably would get a response. If a private citizen did, I'm not sure that that response would come
to the burrow. >> All right. Um, what what is the nature? What is happening there that that >> what's happening there? There's a boat that's leaking fluids into the South
River. >> Okay. >> All right. But you shouldn't be able to abandon a boat. >> It's They have a They have I've never been on that property. They They're >> video You can see that the hole is It's compromised >> and it's leaking. What? Do you believe
it's leaking fuel or oil or something? >> There's water in where the engine >> All right. There's a dock there, Jay. >> No, not there. No, it's more than like a little inlet there. It's been there like 30 years at least. >> The boat 30 years. >> Would you would you send have Kirk send
someone there and and take a look at it? >> All right. We'll do a follow-up on it. >> I hope so. Thank you. >> Okay. You you can check You can check with the office in a couple of days. >> See what the results are. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Being no other
questions or comments, I'll entertain a motion to close the public portion. Uh is there a second? >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Favor. >> I >> I >> Okay. Um that being said, uh about the burough
attorney, when when I appointed them two years ago, Mr. Robinson congratulated me and and thought it was a wonderful appointment. Uh that being said, everybody in Saveville has an has an opinion. They don't necessarily have the
credentials. Uh and and as far as I know, uh other than Jay and his son and the burough attorney, no one is qualified to to be hired as a land use expert or to or to get actually paid
uh for what they know and what their accreditation is. So what we have are a lot of people with opinions but no accreditation and tonight was an example of that. Uh and with that statement uh so I would be very careful. You know
opinions are like elbows. Everybody's got them and everybody's welcome to them and I listen to them. Uh, but that being said, it doesn't mean that it's necessarily true or factual or or carries any weight outside of the
speaker. And it depends how good a public speaker you are, whether or not people think it's credible. Doesn't have to be based in fact. That being said, I'll entertain a motion to close the meeting. I wish everyone a very happy Thanksgiving and we'll see you in
December. Is there a motion to close? >> We did that. to adjurnn rather. >> So moved. >> All right. >> So moved. Yes. >> Thanks everyone. Happy Thanksgiving. >> I second.