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Part 1 (Video ID: wtGQH8i4e3k):
- 00:10:47: Meeting Call to Order, Prayer, and Pledge of Allegiance
- 00:15:25: Proclamation Honoring Veterans and Buddy Poppy Distribution
- 00:18:51: Public Hearing: Ordinance 9-26 on Employee Salaries
- 00:19:23: Council Discussion: Employee Salary Ordinance Concerns
- 00:23:29: Continued Debate and Vote on Employee Salary Ordinance
- 00:31:38: Animal Protection League: Non-Lethal Geese Management
- 00:35:45: Public Hearing: Ordinance 12-26, Budget Appropriation Limits
- 00:36:33: Public Hearing: Ordinance 13-26, Telecommunications Facilities
- 00:38:45: 2026 Budget Approval and Public Hearing Notice
- 00:39:46: Detailed Reading of 2026 Budget Amendment Resolution
- 00:43:58: Appointments and Resolutions: Opening to Public
- 00:46:43: Mayor and Council Reports: Budget Challenges & Public Safety
- 00:51:43: Public Works, Recreation, Human Relations Updates
- 01:02:29: Water, Sewer, Environment, Planning and Zoning Reports
- 01:11:33: Explanation of the Rainbow Bridge Concept
- 01:13:52: Mayor's Report: Flagpole, Budget Impasse, and Next Steps
- 01:18:14: General Discussion and Items for Approval
- 01:21:49: Motion: Data Centers Prohibited in All Zones
- 01:38:53: Public Comments: Data Centers and Town Commercialization
- 01:46:32: Motion to Close Public Portion and Adjournment


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Good. She's got a husband who can't see or hear. Okay. Good evening everyone. I'm going to call the meeting to order. Would everyone please stand for a short prayer and a salute to the flag? Almighty God, grant us the wisdom to

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make those decisions that are in the best interest of all our residents. May the heavenly father of us all bless those who have given the ultimate sacrifice in service to our nation. And may he watch over and protect our service men and women now guarding the

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gates of freedom. Tonight, I'm going to ask the commander of the VFW to lead us in the pledge of allegiance. >> I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under

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God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Order. Yeah, >> you know, it is our custom and has been our custom to say to open the meeting with a prayer and the prayer I just read

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was written by a veteran. uh he is the liaison uh for all veterans affairs and it is Ken Kelly and Ken it's has stood the test of time just as General Patton asked his his uh his his religious

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person and and I'm being very generous his religious person to write a prayer before they went into the Battle of the Bulge. So I asked you many years ago to write this prayer to open our meetings and no one has ever changed it. So on behalf of of the burrow and on behalf of

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the governing body, we thank you for your service and gentlemen, we thank each and every one of you for your service to our country. That being said, uh uh notice of publication. Take notice that this regular agenda

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meeting meeting of the mayor and burough council being held on this 11th day of May 2026 has been posted and advertised in accordance with the open public meetings act chapter 231 public law 1975. Roll call council persons >> here.

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>> Kesi >> here. >> Novak >> here. Rios >> here. >> Sarski >> here. Zabrski >> here. And if we can have uh approval of prior minutes. >> Mayor, I move the following minutes of the mayor and council be approved on

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roll call vote subject to correction if necessary. And that's the April 27th, 2026 minutes. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Council person Zabowski. >> Yes. >> Lumare. >> Yes. >> Liy, >> yes. >> Novak, >> yes. Rios.

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>> Uh before making this uh uh before voting on this um I had a question on the um to amend uh prior minutes. Um there was uh we had a notification that there was a prior uh minutes from April

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29 of 2024 and there was a mistake on the minutes. So I'd like to make a motion to amend those minutes from April 29, 2024. Those are the ones we fixed, member. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, initially we have to finish this roll call before we make another motion. We can't have a motion

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within a motion, but um I think we did. We corrected those minutes, I believe. >> Correct. >> Yeah, >> I got a notification. I we don't need to have um a separate motion to uh correct them >> because I checked and it's still it's still >> Well, online they're still going to be

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be that way. >> Okay. >> In the official minute book, they are corrected. Okay. Uh, yes. >> In your vote on this, >> you said yes. >> Yes. Okay. >> Sinars. >> Yes.

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>> And >> Okay. Uh, at this time, uh, if the honor guard would please stand and if the governing body would come behind the railing, we have a proclamation. Thank you.

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>> I got ahead. >> Well, I'm very proud to read this proclamation. Whereas the annual distribution of buddy poppies by the veterans of foreign wars of the United States has been officially recognized and endorsed by governmental leaders since 1922.

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And whereas VFW buddy poppies are assembled by disabled veterans and the proceeds of this worthy fundraising campaign are used exclusively for the benefit of disabled and needy veterans and the widows and orphans of deceased veterans. And whereas the basic purpose

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of the annual distribution of buddy poppies by the veterans of foreign wars is eloquently reflected in the desire to honor the dead by helping the living. Now therefore, I, Kennedy O'Brien, mayor of Burough Council, do hereby urge the

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citizens of this community to recognize the merits of this cause by contributing generously to its support through the purchase of buddy poppies on the day set aside for the distribution of these symbols of appreciation for the sacrifices of our honored dead. I urge

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all patriotic citizens to wear a buddy poppy as mute evidence of our gratitude to the men and women of this country who have risked their lives in defense of the freedoms which we continue to enjoy as American citizens

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and witness thereof. >> Commander, would you like to say a few words? >> Um, Mr. Mayor Council, we are honored to be here today. Um, and we thank you for and having us here. Um, the the poppies are has gone on for as long as I can

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remember. Uh, and we appreciate you guys uh letting us come before you. >> Thank you. >> And to the honor guard, we thank you for your service. We thank you for protecting our gates of freedom and for all you do both in service to country

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now in service to >> well everybody see Yes. >> Thank you so much. like one. >> I just need a motion to accept that proclamation. >> Motion made second.

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>> Council persons Novak, >> yes. >> Lumare, >> yes. >> Police, >> yes. >> Rios, >> yes. >> Narski, >> yes. Zowski, >> we have no need for exec. Uh, under old business, we're going to um switch to

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letter B first. We have to do the public hearing on the ordinances first. >> Um, at this time, I'm going to open the public >> I got to read the heading. >> Go ahead. >> Public hearing on ordinance number 9-26, an ordinance supplementing and amending ordinance number 3-24 fixing the

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salaries of certain burough officials, officers, and employees for the years 2023 to 2027. This time I'm going to open the public portion for any questions or comments on this ordinance. Other questions or comments? Oh, I will. Ladies, I will.

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Are there any questions or comments? Being no questions or comments, I'll I'll entertain a motion to close the public portion. Council Councilwoman Novak. >> Uh, Mayor, I I still have so many questions on this. I'm going to be voting I'm vote voting no on it. I'm not going to introduce it.

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>> Okay. I I don't see how you're going to clear it up because >> well, this is simply housekeeping. This uh uh uh position uh existed. It was in the salary ordinance. When they redid the salary ordinance, there was a clerical error and it just wasn't included in the adoption. So, this is

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just this is not anything new. It would this position did exist in the burrow and it just got lost in the sauce when uh HR was doing the salary ordinance over. So, it's not changed. was just a it got lost and it needs to be added back in.

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>> Again, I I have a problem with the minimum maximum with no way to get there. We've had we've had problems in the past with that. Some people are started at the maximum. Some people are started at the minimum. Nobody really knows where they're supposed to fit in here. I don't even know will this be an

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increase in salary for anybody. That's >> they all started everyone we've put in that position has started at the base salary and they go we we mirror uh like the Sam's contract if the Sam's contract gets 3% then they go up the same. >> So there's no way for them to actually

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get to the maximum because the 3% will be added to the minimum. >> Well over time it's just like when we hire a new police officer they come in at the starting rate but over time and seniority they they go up incrementally over that time. We have to hit a ceiling and we have to hit set a basement for it.

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>> It's no different than any other uh title that we've got in the borrow. >> I I disagree with you. They have they have in their contract steps to get from the minimum pay to the top. >> That that's me. >> That's ask me. I realize that. But in Sam's this is we've had this problem so

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many times with the Sam's contract. >> Yeah. >> That's a management. >> Okay. Yeah. There's no contracts. Again, there's no way to get from the minimum to the maximum because when you say we'll add 3% on, well, you have to

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add the 3% on to the minimum and the maximum. Or are you telling me when when they have they're 3% or whatever, however long it takes them get >> if if I may, could I just explain the how the these salary ordinances work? Um uh typically under New Jersey law to set

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municipal salaries, it has to be done by ordinance. Mhm. >> Um what most municipalities do is they create a salary ordinance with minimum and maximum so that whenever there's a new hire increase in salary from either a raise uh or a new uh or just an annual

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raise or or other type of reason for an increase in salary they don't have to adopt an ordinance every time. It can be done by resolution. So what a lot of municipalities do is they create these salary ordinances which have ranges uh minimum and maximum amount of salary that's permitted and then administratively they can either be

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hired by contract or appointment or however within those ranges and then the salary can be assigned increased whether it's through annual increases or otherwise uh as long as it's within that range and it can't go above that range and it can't go below that range by administration or anyone else unless

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amended by the ordinance. So that's what this ordinance is is intend is doing. It's creating a every uh uh year a minimum and maximum for that position and then any higher appointment or increase in salary has to be within that range. Uh but that can be done by

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resolution or administratively depending on the form of government is that that's just the procedurally why it has a minimum and maximum range. >> I Mary >> I just don't agree with it. I will not be introduced. >> Okay. So, that being said, I I' I would

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ask that the council, if if the administration and finance committee chairperson, Councilwoman Novak, refuses to introduce this, I would ask that it be pulled. Is there a motion to pull this? >> Well, Mayor Mayor, without having this

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ordinance, technically we can't pay the individual in the position. >> Mayor, you know, Jimmy Robinson, I assume, is watching this in Seattle. Mayor, point of order. I am so sick of this. Point of order. I have a problem with this. I

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have a right to say I'm not gonna the same problem I had last meeting. I have this meeting. I I know we need a salary guard. I just don't agree. I don't agree with the way this is done. >> Well, there should be there should be a salary set. >> Period.

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>> They are set. >> Okay. >> They are set. >> There's a minimum and a maximum. I don't think that that's necessary. I think >> Mary, we've been doing this. You and I have sat up here equal time and this is how it's always been done. Like I said, if the voice from Seattle is saying uh

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for strategic purposes not to do it, uh I think you're hurting a lot of people, >> mayor, >> without you as the chairperson taking a leadership role, >> insulting me. Oh, listen. He's he certainly comments enough on social media. So, obviously, he hasn't found a

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life in Seattle yet. >> Uh, so this is >> we have an ordinance on the books that says you are not allowed to say give a reason for what somebody else is. >> I'm asking I'm not demanding. I'm asking. >> But you're you're saying that I am voting on this because you're in a

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leadership role as chairperson. >> I said no. >> Mary, can we discuss this? This is the time to discuss this. >> It should been discussed at an agenda meeting, but >> Well, that's what Well, >> this isn't an agenda meeting. >> What is the outcome if this is this is delayed?

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>> Well, the the the this is the individual has been being paid since it was taken out of the salary ordinance, but it's an error that the town now knows exists. For any payment to be done, the authorized legally, it has to be the position has to be has a salary attached

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to it by ordinance. whether it is a set number or whether it's a range, it has to be set by >> so this was an error in the original ordinance and this is a housekeeping >> correct >> ordinance. >> Yes. >> And this is this is so wildly offensive, Mary.

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>> I I believe that there should be a salary ordinance. I realize that there was a mistake. I just don't like the way this is. I think there should >> How would you like it? >> I would like to see a salary set for this position. is is is there a salary?

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>> But then we would have to change all of management because all of management is a minimax. >> Correct. >> And how how many decades has this has this been a working solution? >> I mean I've been here 22 years and

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that's the salary guides have always been. >> I would assume it was the same when Glattis was the U. And the min and max for each year also includes the um percentage of the increase. So the min and max do go up every year according to the >> So this person isn't getting paid.

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>> The minimum and maximum goes up every year. So there's no way to really get to the maximum because every time there's a 3% increase, it applies to the minimum and to the maximum. So there's no real way. It's not like okay you know the

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first year it's going to be this much the second to the maximum of this >> there's no there's no steps but that's the whole entire management guide >> would have to be redone if that's the way that you guys >> are you recommending that our entire

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management uh team is is beg your pardon >> and Sam >> and and Sams I I'm saying this because I know there has always been a problem with Sam's >> that they have been trying to get rid of that minimum and maximum because some people are were hired at the lowest

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salary, some people were hired at the highest salary and there was no way for the people at the lowest salary to ever make it up because there was no chronological way to get from one point to the other. And I just put this on to do clean up housekeeping. So I have no

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game. What what's a Does anyone from the council want to ask questions on this or propose solutions? I mean, it's such an odd thing that for for 30 25 years, Mary and I have been routinely passing these housekeeping

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ordinances and now all of a sudden at the beginning of a campaign, uh, it becomes atrocious and unacceptable. >> Point of order, mayor. >> 30 years it hasn't been. Uh I I think it's >> anybody here that's going to rule on the point of order.

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>> Mayor, I I think I'm open to discuss and I think we can get a lot done, but I don't think implying that Mary's motives are not Mary's motives is helping. >> Well, I think it's suspect after third after 25 plus years, all of a sudden it

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it's it's objectionable. and and let's discuss it. Gonna move it and this is our entire management staff. >> That's that's the that's >> you know at some point the burrow's got to operate. >> I get that. Let's discuss >> and and if this is not good for this

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singular person then I assume four people so they will not be paid which means those jobs will go un >> we don't want that to happen but let's discuss it and be respectful to each other. Well, let's be respectful to our to our

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staff. >> Sure. If >> after 25 years, this is unacceptable. I I'm not I'm not following the thought process. >> Let's try to let's try to understand where she's coming from. >> I I don't understand it. I'm asking her to explain it. >> Okay. Explain. >> Ask the question.

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>> No, you have to wait uh for the open. We had the open portion. Now you have to wait till the end. I'm sorry. Um, it's unacceptable to me as the mayor that that all of a sudden at the

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beginning of a campaign all of a sudden >> it's too coincidental, Mary. >> Oh, please. >> Too coincidental. >> Mayor, every time I have ever made said anything that you disagreed with, you say the same thing. >> Is it? >> Get over yourself. >> True.

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>> It's not true. >> Okay. Well, there you go. Emphatic. Is there any other comment on this? Does any what what is the result if this >> there's somebody that will make a somebody else who would make a motion? >> I'll make a motion. But also on a

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minimum and maximum salaries, there's different people qualified for different positions. The salary range say is from $40,000 to $60,000 just for a number. If the person's experienced in that job position, I we've hired people and not

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started them at the minimum range. We've hired them at a higher range to accommodate what they where they came from to come work for us. And that's and the minimum maximum is increasing 2% 3% but you still get other merit raises throughout the course of the year. >> You don't get merit raises still. You

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don't >> you don't. >> All right. I'm making a motion to adopt the ordinance. Motion to adopt ordinance. I move the public hearing be closed. The ordinance be adopted on the second and final

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reading as advertised according to law. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Council person Sinarski. >> Yes. >> Lumare. >> No. >> Kissesi. >> Yes.

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>> Novak. No. >> Rios. >> No. >> Zabowski. >> Okay. >> July. >> Well, this is this is the first political cannon shot of the season. >> Mayor, I have a question. >> Yeah.

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>> We're not enabling this. How do I pay these four management? >> I I that is a question I'll leave to the attorney. I >> I don't have the answer sitting here right now. I'd have we'd have to figure that out because I', you know, I've never seen this happen before to be honest. My apologies to the four people that are

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really not benefiting from this. I am I am going to um before I go to ordinance 1226. I did promise two lovely ladies sitting in the back that I would get them on right after poppies, but not only can I not see or hear, but I can't

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remember. And my wife attests to those three things. Ladies, if you'd come up, please. And I need you to state your name and and you know, you're you're with an organization. So, your organization would be fine. >> Thank you, Mayor and Council. I'm Dorene

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Fraga. I'm with Animal Protection League of New Jersey, and I'm here on behalf of the geese. We attended the mayor and council meeting last year and um we had brought some non-lethal solutions. We were supposed to meet with Rebecca um bring in our ecological landscape

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designer to help the mayor, help the town to move the geese out of the area non-lethally, but she was retired. So, we thought we would attend another meeting tonight to see who we can work with and that we can help the town with non-lethal geese solutions to move them

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out of the area. and it'll be a win for everyone. >> Okay. And >> and I I'm sorry. I do have a packet of information that I'd like to >> give in >> and my contact. >> So, as I said, this will get to both uh

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Elise Baron and to Rebecca. All right. Did you want to say anything else, ladies? >> Thank you. Uh Valerie Divine, Animal Protection League of New Jersey. I'm from Lake Hayawa up in Morris County. There's just a few solutions. Uh some

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non-lethal solutions. One would be first uh no feeding ban uh must be implemented. Uh habitat modification that would be the number one solution. >> Gaddling of the eggs. >> Yeah. >> Yes. Uh for permanently detering the

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geese. Okay. Um overseating with flight turf. Uh the grass has bs on it which will bother the geese. It bothers their mouth and also if they try to eat the grass this upsets their stomachs. Um

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and uh flags predators cutouts and attaching a plastic bag to wave in the wind will also deter the geese. Remember I told you about the task I assigned to third graders at Arless School?

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>> Yes. >> Many of those things they they recommended and and we implemented them. Um but that being said, Lee and and Rebecca will both receive a copy and they will contact you. >> And like I said, you know, we have our ecological landscape designer.

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>> You need to speak in the mic, dear. we have our ecological landscape designer and she can do wonders for um all of the wetland areas that you have and you know there's just so many different things now that can be done and we want to help. >> As I was told over the years, Seville is

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one of the major stops for migratory birds. Um so so we we we have an an overpopulation of geese and then the the constant feeding has made them stop their migration here.

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>> Um but I thank you and and our staff will be in touch with you. >> Okay. Thank you so much for allowing >> Thank you for coming. >> Thank you everyone. >> Okay. >> Bye. >> All right. So that being said, uh I will go back to ordinance 1226. Go ahead.

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Ordinance number 1226, calendar year 2026, ordinance to exceed the municipal budget appropriation limits and to establish a CAT bank. >> Councilwoman, at this time, I'm going to open the public uh public portion for questions or comments on this. Other questions or comments? There being no

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questions or comments, I'll entertain a motion. Councilwoman Novak, >> move the public hearing be close. The ordinance adopted on second final reading and advertised according to law. >> There second. >> Second. >> Roll call. Council persons Novak, >> yes. >> Lumare, >> yes.

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>> Kesi, >> yes. >> Rios, >> yes. >> Sarski, >> yes. >> Zabowski, >> next ordinance, >> public hearing on ordinance number 13-26, Burough of Seville County and Middle Sex ordinance authorizing a right

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rights of way use agreement with Gonet Speed for the installation and operation of telecommunications facilities. >> This time I'm going to open the public portion for questions or comments. I will call on the on the young lady representing Gonet

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and we thank you for coming to the burrow of Saraveville. >> Always a pleasure to be here. Thank you so much mayor and council for the opportunity for go net speed to provide broadband services to the residents and businesses here in Saraveville. As you all know, competition does lower prices

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for consumers in this economy. This is a great opportunity. I know that we've had many conversations in the past when I was with another provider. Um, one of the challenges that municipalities face is that no one is coming in to build, but now we have an opportunity for a provider to come in to build and provide

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broadband services in the community. So, I welcome the opportunity to work with each of each of you as we go forward. Thank you. I had before the meeting started, I had asked uh if if they would be amanable to doing a Q&A, a question

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and answer um down at the senior center. It's easier for our residents to do it on a Saturday. I don't know whether that works for you or not. >> That's fine. >> Okay. So, if you coordinate it with Councilman Bluore and our BA and and

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we'll get and and we'd like to get it going. >> We wanted to be part of the community. So, we welcome the opportunity to speak with the residents. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you so much. Are there any other questions or comments on this ordinance? Being no other questions or comments, I'll entertain a motion.

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>> Uh council, uh who was that? Novak. >> Yep. >> I move the public hearing. Excuse me. I move public hearing to close the ordinance adopted on second and final reading and adapted according to law. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Council persons. Novak. >> Yes. >> Mayor, >> yes. >> Liy, >> yes. >> Rios, >> yes.

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>> Zarski, >> yes. >> Zowski, >> yes. >> Okay, mayor. Now, we got to go back to we're going to um going to announce that the 2026 budget approval and public hearing notice has been advertised on the bureau's legal notices website on April 14th, 2026, which gave notice of

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the date and time of this public hearing and put before the council tonight the 2026 municipal budget resolution 2026-117. Mayor, now we can open it to the public. >> This time, I'm going to open uh the public portion for questions or comments

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on on the budget. Uh, are there any questions or comments? There being no questions or comments, I'll entertain a motion. Council uh Councilwoman Novak. >> Yes. I move the public hearing be closed. The ordinance adopted on second and final reading. >> Closing the public portion on the budget

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hearing. >> Okay. Close the public portion. >> Is there a second? >> Second. Roll call. >> Council persons Novak. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Police. >> Yes. >> Rios. >> Yes. Yes. Sarski, >> yes.

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>> Browski, >> yes. >> Okay. Now I will read the budget amendment in full. Resolution 2026116 2026 budget amendment. Whereas the council of the bureau of several introduces introduced its 2026 municipal

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budget on April 13, 2026. And whereas a public hearing on said budget has been held as advertised on May 11, 2026. And whereas NJSA484-9 permits the burough council to amend the budget after the public hearing. And whereas it is determined to be desirable

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or necessary to amend said budget. Now therefore it be resolved by the burough council the burough of several county of middle sex state of New Jersey that the amendments I read um be approved budget for the calendar year 2026 be made. Surplus

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surplus anticipated 6 million. It's now going to 6.5 million. Miscellaneous local revenue section A licenses sewer user fees 5,850,000 to 6,900,000

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total section A 10,42,520 11,192,520 total section C dedicated uniform construction code fees $850,950,000 miscellaneous revenue section G special items of revenue without offsetting appropriations. Arsenal Trade Center

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pilot 1,819,47.40 40 2,257,29869 Total Section G special items of revenue 7,800,6043 8,238,311.72 surplus anticipated $6,6.5 million total section A local revenues

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10,42,520 $20 11,192,520 total section C dedicated uniform construction code fees $850,000 950,000 Total section G special items of revenue

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7,800,6043 $8,238,311.72 total miscellaneous revenues $29,991 I'm sorry. 29,991,16948 31,579,420.77 Subtotal general revenues 37,91,16948 39,179,420.77. Amount to be raised by taxes for support of municipal budget. Local tax for

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municipal purposes including reserve for uncollected taxes. 43,754,87944. 41,666,628.15. Total amount to be raised by taxes for support of municipal budget 46,311,720.78. 44,223,46949. Total general revenues

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83,42,8902683,42800 $42,890.36. Be it further resolved that a certified copy of this resolution be filed for with the office of the director of the division of local government services for certification of the local municipal budget. So amenda via the fast reporting system. Be it further resolved that this

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resolution in accordance with the provisions of NJSA484-9 C1 and2 does not need to be published and a public hearing on Senate amendment is not required. This amendment shall take effect immediately. >> Is there a motion? >> No, you got to open to that. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Uh at this time, I'm

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going to open the public portion for questions or comments on the budget. Are there any questions or comments? There being no questions or comments, I'll entertain a motion to close the public portion and adopt the budget. >> We're going to just close the public. >> Just close the public. Okay. So moved.

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>> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Council persons Novak. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Liy. >> No. >> On closing the public portion. >> Rios. >> Yes. >> Sarski. >> Yes.

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>> Zowski. >> Yes. And now I need a motion to adopt the budget amendment. >> Councilwoman Novc, >> I move that the public, excuse me, I move that the uh budget amend

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>> Wait a minute. What do we adopt the budget amendment? >> Yes. >> Okay. I so moved. >> Is there a second? >> All right. It dies for a second. Uh I'm going to instruct the governing body uh to go back and work on the budget till

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we have the second uh on on on the budget. All right. That being said, >> all right, wait, hold up, Joe. Do I now We're not adopting the budget amendment now. Do I go ahead and make somebody make a motion to adopt the budget or No, we can't we can't move forward that forward.

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>> There's no second. Dies for a second. >> Okay. >> Okay. Appointments. um make the uh following appointment uh for an unexpired term on the shade tree

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commission, Bardy Shaw, and that's a mayor's appointment. Uh the second appointment is for the environmental commission. Uh this was a person uh recommended by the environmental commission. Um, it's a three-year

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alternate number two position for Thomas Clearary. Is there a motion as a mayor's? So, look at that. Boy, am I doing good tonight. >> Okay. >> Resolution. >> Resolutions. At this time, I'm going to

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open the public portion for questions or comments on the resolutions. Are there any questions or comments? There being no questions or comments, I'll entertain a motion to close the public portion. >> Mayor move the public hearing be closed

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and the consent agenda resolutions be approved on roll call vote. >> Roll call. >> Council person Zabrski, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Kissi, >> yes. >> Novak, >> yes. >> Rios, >> yes. >> Sarski,

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>> yes. >> Need a motion to accept the correspondence that's listed. >> Is there a motion? So moved. >> Is there a second? >> Second. Roll call. >> Council persons Novak. >> Yes. >> Lumare. >> Yes. >> Bissi. >> Yes. >> Rios. >> Yes.

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>> Sarski. >> Yes. >> Zabowski. >> Okay. Mayor and council reports. Councilwoman Novak. Administration and finance. >> Yes, Mayor. Well, worked on this budget. We had some real challenges this year. uh healthc care

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being the highest one, pensions, sewer fees. Um I really believe that the uh business administrator, the department heads, and Danielle did yman duty getting this down

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when a lot of other towns just didn't work that hard on it. We reduced it 9 cents and I really I I thought this was appropriate but obviously nobody else

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does and mayor talk about politics >> progress. No no progress. >> Okay. Uh public safety Councilman Blur. >> Thank you Mr. Mayor. Uh the Sville Police Department was proud to participate in several outstanding

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community events the last few weeks that brought residents, families, and local organizations together in meaningful and positive ways. These events not only highlighted the strong relationship between the department and the community they serve, but also showcased the Bo's

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continued commitment to family engagement, remembrance, and community partnerships. On Sunday, May 3rd, the department was honored to support Riley's Touch a Truck event, benefiting the You Riley's Rone

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Scholarship Fund. The event drew an incredible turnout of families from throughout the area, and provided children with the opportunity to interact with police vehicles, heavy equipment, first responders, and community volunteers in a fun and

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welcoming environment. Beyond the excitement and entertainment, the event served an even greater purpose by supporting a scholarship fund that continues to positively impact local students and families. The Sville Police Department was proud to stand alongside

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the Ron family, Southboy High School baseball team, and countless community partners in making the event a tremendous success. On Thursday, May 7th, the SEA Police Department in PBA local number 98 proudly hosted the 2026

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annual police memorial service in honor of National Police Week. The ceremony brought together members of law enforcement, elected officials, residents, and the families of fallen officers to honor those who dedicated their lives to promoting to protecting

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our community. The service served as a powerful reminder of the sacrifices made by law enforcement officers past and present and reflected the deep respect and appreciation our community continues to show towards those who serve. The

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overwhelming support and attendance demonstrated the strong bond between the department and residents of Sville. On Saturday, May 9th, the department was also excited to participate in the annual bowl fishing derby alongside Surville Recreation and PBA Local 98.

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Fishing with Fiser, led by Officer Eric Fischer, provided children and families with a memorable morning outdoors while promoting positive community interaction in a relaxed and enjoyable setting. From teaching young anglers the basics of

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fishing to celebrating the excitement of catching the day's biggest fish, the event created lasting memories for family throughout the bar. The excitement surrounding the Serville Police Department 2026 Juvenile Police Academy further demonstrated the strong

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connection between the department and the community's youth and families. Registration for the week-long academy filled up extremely quickly, reflecting the overwhelming interest and enthusiasm from both parents and students eager to

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participate in the program. The academy continues to provide young residents with a unique hands-on opportunity to learn about law enforcement, teamwork, leadership, discipline, and community service through interactive activities led by members of the Serville Police

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Department and Juvenile Bureau. The tremendous response to this year's program highlights the positive relationship officers have built within the community and reinforces the department ongoing commitment to mentoring and investing in the boy's future leaders. As always, we want to

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thank the police officers, first responders, fire department for all that they do to keep us safe. And that concludes my report. Mer, >> thank you. Councilman uh public works Councilman Rios.

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>> Good evening, Mayor, Council, and General Public. Uh public work has uh nothing major to report tonight other than they're getting ready for the upcoming parade. Uh I just want a couple uh just going to go over a couple things. The flag at the

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Veterans Bridge heading from Sarville into South River has been reinstalled and is now flying again. Thank you for the to the public works team, George Goran, Andy Osga, and everyone involved in getting the flag restored and illuminated. It's a really nice site to

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see again and something a lot of residents were asking for and appreciate. Uh this past Saturday, the the time capsule ceremony at Kennedy Park was another great community event in partnership with the Sarville Historical

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Society as part of the Saraveville 150th anniversary and America's 250th anniversary celebration. Although I was unable to attend due to work commitments, my family attended and really enjoyed the occasion. I'd like to thank everyone who helped put that

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together. Uh, the capsule now buried near the American flag by the pond contains memorabilia, letters, and items representing Saraveville's history, culture, and community. It was great to see different parts of the community

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come together for something that will one day give future generations a glimpse into what Seville was like in 2026. A big thank you to everyone involved in putting the event together, especially especially the historical society

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recreation department and all those who contributed items and letters to the caption. This past Friday, cultural arts hosted their team night at the recreation center. Hundreds of teens attended and danced the night away. I want to thank

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the cultural arts team as well as the Surville Police Department for helping make sure the event ran smoothly and safely with no incidents reported. It's great to see events like this being successful and giving our young residents something positive to do.

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Thank you to Sharon, Michelle, brothers Greg and Chris, Debbie, Jessica, Brienne, Nancy, and new member Billy, uh, and also Brian from Recreation. the work all you do is sincerely appreciated and we thank you all.

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Um I also wanted to briefly touch on the ongoing discussions regarding vendor permits. I think it's important that we continue making sure vendors are given a fair opportunity to participate in our community events. While I absolutely

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understand the importance of permits, insurance requirements, and background checks, we also want to make sure the process is reasonable and welcoming enough that venture that vendors actually want to be a part of these events. We want vendors to come here. We

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want them to feel welcome, supported, and excited to participate in our community. The more quality vendors we can entice to our events, the better those events become for our residents and family. With the cost of everything continuing

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to rise, I think we should keep all of that in mind as these conversations continue to move forward. Um, and I just wanted to add that we're all here to work together and make things work for the people in

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Saraveville. We're not always going to agree, and that's okay. Differences of opinion are part of the process, but when we disagree, it should never become political or personal. We should focus on finding solutions

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without personal insults or incinerations. That's why I believe agenda meetings are so important. Well, one of the reasons is because I'm new to this and I wanted to go over the council meeting before sitting here.

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We were just discussing something and how long did we have to discuss that? 3 minutes, 5 minutes. I think if we adopt agenda meetings, things like this don't happen or we will have

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uh more time to to discuss this. Um they give us the opportunity to discuss issues openly, work through disagree disagreements respectfully, and come into council meetings better prepared to

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move the bureau forward together. Thank you. Uh, recreation Councilman Klesi. Going to start off with the U. Office of Aging first. Um,

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I have a list of a few things that you know this summer there's going to be many, many programs, many events going on over at our uh, active adult center. So just a few things now. Thursday May 14th is a skin uh cancer screening. We

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have uh Friday May 15th is the flower workshop held by the Venetian. We have um Monday May 18th the lifeline screening held by St. Peter's Hospital. And then Wednesday May 20th we have uh

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our senior citizen day celebration. So the active adult center has many programs held every month. So you can find them listed on their monthly calendar. They publish it on their website and also on the LED signs uh

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throughout the place. So um next we're going to do uh recreation. So I want to congratulate all our winners at Saturday's fishing derby. It was a beautiful day to fish and we had uh 95 registered young anglers trying to catch

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the biggest fish. So, thank you to officers Fisher and Novak for continuing their annual fishing with Fisher initiative and helped the children who needed a quick fishing lesson. So, we buried our time capsule that will not be

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open for a hundred years. So, uh that was very nice. So that's so proud to have attended that. The farmers market now will open again starting uh this Thursday, May 14th, uh which will include again the food

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trucks and the market vendors. So a full schedule of anticipated vendors uh is available on the Rex website now. So uh trivia night is on May 28th. Pre-registration

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is required and free. It will be uh fun for the whole family. Uh so that's interesting. Summer camp registration for all our summer camps is still going on. Spaces are filling quickly. So

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register uh soon to ensure your spot. So uh there are new lights at Field One at the Little League complex. Um they have been installed and are operational. The construction has begun on the Kennedy

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Park walkway. Widening and um widening and improving that that road there. So the Somerset Patriot tickets offered by by the wreck are available for the this Sat uh Sunday, May 16th. Is that

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Saturday? Saturday. Um versus Bingmpington. Um the Bingmpington Rumble Ponies. So, it's their doublea subway series of the Mets versus the Yankees. So, it's also a fireworks night and uh

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those so the link to purchase these tickets is available on the serville uh wreck website. So, uh on with human relations, they will be doing their required bias training tomorrow evening at 7 o'clock.

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Um, also they discussed their calendar going forward beginning the pride month for June. They will be confirming the location where they're going to have this and uh the program uh that they're going to be uh doing. So it's not

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published yet, but they're plan they're doing it now. So August will be women's rights month. Uh so they're going to do a tea and a program with it. So, uh, a date and location will be communicated

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to the public as well when those plans are finalized. So, uh, finally, last, uh, last Friday's Tonight at the Mickey Sedlac uh, building was another outstanding example of what can happen

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when our community comes together for our youth. And, uh, thanks for bringing that up, uh, Councilman Rios. It was a great uh it's great to see hundreds of Saveville teens enjoying a safe, positive, and welcoming environment

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filled with music, games, food, dancing, and friendships. So, events like this show the importance of con uh continuing to create these positive opportunities for our young people here in Saraveville. So, a special thank you uh

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to our recreation department, cultural arts volunteers, Sarahville police, mayor council, and our entire community for supporting events like this and helping make them such a success. The tremendous turn turnout and positive

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feedback from both teens and parents continue to show just how valuable these nights have become for our community. So, I look forward to seeing these events continue to grow in the future. And speaking of the future, the next cultural arts event is the Michael

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Jackson Mega event with the uh intermission and light show by our own local DJ Jarrett Lamin. And that's going to be uh Saturday, May 30th from 6:45 until 900 p.m. Can't wait. That's the

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end of my report. Mayor, >> thank you. Councilman Water, Sewer, Environmental. Councilman Sinarski. >> Thank you, Mayor. Uh, if everybody noticed a spring fire hydrant flushing is probably stopped at this point. Uh, just a reminder, if somebody's out there

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flushing the fire hydrants by your home, don't run your dishwashers. Don't open your faucets in your house. Don't leave don't do anything. Just leave it alone. After the flushing is completed, normal water will start to flow as it normally does and you'll be back to normal. Uh

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there is still a drought situation going on right now. Uh we've had some rain, but I have a note right in front of me that we still have a drought alert. Uh we produced about 140 million, which is average for the water. Um the farmers

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market is opening up this Thursday on the 14th in front of St. stands in the municipal parking lot across the street. I'm looking forward to that. Open it up. Please come out and support that. Um the community garden still has 38 I'm sorry.

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They have 38 paid and occupied plots taken. There was three more as of last week when I was at the environmental meeting. They had three left, >> but they're going fast and they will be sold out. But everybody's very enthusiastic as far as trying to grow something in their own little plot

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there. Uh the week couple weeks ago, I forgot to mention we had Earth Day. There was over a hundred volunteers cleaned up Kennedy Park. They pick up all kind of bags of debris. There was all Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, all kind of volunteers. And it was a great showing. Uh I'm in the beginning stages. I want

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to do something like that at the Doershed down in the area where the dam is because that's where all the residual stuff floats down from the streets and everything else. And I would like to do something. I'm going to be working with David to try to get the Boy Scouts. I already talked to some of the troop leaders and it's just the beginning

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stages. So before the end of the year or at the end of the year when it gets a little cooler before spring, I mean fall, we're going to have a some kind of clean up at the Darnold system. Uh other than that, that's the end of my report. Mayor, thank you. >> Thank you, Councilman. Planning and

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zoning. Uh Council President Zabrowski. >> Thank you, Mayor. Uh I'd like to begin by wishing Mary Nicole and Jessica a belated happy uh Mother's Day. I hope you really had a nice weekend and a nice Sunday and your families treated you very well. Um, I appreciate all the uh

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discussion already about the community activities that we had. So, I'm not going to go over each one of them again, but they were wonderful events. I will say that starting on th Thursday on throughout the weekend, we had a ton of events and they were all run very well. We appreciate all the efforts uh from

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those that were involved in getting them together. You all seem to be in a crank cranky mood tonight. If that's the case, one of the reasons obviously is this budget and uh we all know that uh it's it's problematic. Uh one of the reasons why it's problematic is uh the extraordinary

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cost for our healthcare. Uh and it's not just us. School board has the same thing. And I'm going to ask tonight, hopefully there'll be a bipartisan uh agreement on this is for a resolution which is a demand. a demand not just to the governor and to the legislature, but

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again a a demand to everybody that's involved in the state in creating these health care premiums and really the lack of transparency that goes through it to make it so expensive not just for us but also for our employees who contribute to it. You know, we try to do the best we

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can on salaries to make it fair for them so they can have a living, but if it's all eaten up by health care costs, they're not able to do that. And that's the same thing for the budget. This budget increase in part is bea is because of that static change in the

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increase of healthc carees and I did speak to our board uh board of education president who relayed the exact same thing to me that they're suffering from the same issue because of the health care. So, I'd like a resolution that demands that there be reform, that there be transparency, that we work together.

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And I think as a unified uh effort, meaning board of ed and municipal government, maybe we can get our voice heard. Maybe we can stand up and say enough is enough. You know, I had a friend of mine that said, uh, you can't make chicken soup out of chicken feathers. Well, we're at the stage of

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the game now where we have a salary cap where we can't go over it, but the costs are just exceeding and exceeding and exceeding to the point where we just can't get by and we're going to have to reduce services if or something else or cut things that we never never want to do if we can't get this changed. So, I'm

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making a motion for a resolution, which would be a joint resolution to be joined with the board of ed to basically say we've had enough. Let's get to reform and if you want we'll start here in Sable and we'll move to every community from there. We'll start from here. That's my resolution.

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>> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Well, let's formulate the wording. Council uh counselor, if you would. >> I apologize. I was researching the other issue on on the labor and employment, so

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I missed some of what is being discussed. Well, John's an attorney, so John, if you would put it in legal ease. >> Very briefly, I think we're all fed up with the health care costs that we have and the premiums and every charges that we're having to do. And I think there's a lack of transparency in how this goes.

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So, there's a bunch of people that are involved in this thing. And it's not just simply the governor, legislators, but it's also the state uh treasury and the banking and insurance industry. And quite frankly, it's the brokers and everybody else involved. And both serville municipal government and sevil board of edge share in this. And and

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this is one of the reasons for this increase in or proposed increase in budget is these state costs and yet there's no relief. We we so uh the resolution tonight is a request for immediate reform of how we do it and quite frankly we step forward to be the

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first municipality to do that and ask for this >> but but in coordin in in coordination with the board of education. >> Correct. I I have the information. I what I can do is we can have a um go forward with the motion. And what I'll do is I will

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draft because it's not something I could articulate correctly right here on the on off the cuff. I will draft a memorializing resolution that will we can officially adopt at the following meeting. Uh and I'll circulate it, make get any comments from from the council members. Uh but we can make a go forward

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with the motion with the intent and then we'll put the actual uh drafted resolution at the next meeting. >> Okay. Motion made and seconded. Any comments from the governing body? No comments. >> No, I I'd like to make a comment. I guess I didn't move quick enough. Uh we

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all that's not going to help us this year. Probably not even next year. Uh an awful lot of time that these resolutions are done. Everybody votes for it and it's sounds good and we never even hear anything back. It's just we could use

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it. the resolution to wipe our butt. So, I mean, I'll vote for it because it doesn't hurt anything, but it isn't going to do anything. And particularly with this budget, it's not going to. Then we'll just not have a budget, I guess.

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>> So, there's a motion made and seconded. Roll call. >> Council person Zabowski, >> yes. >> Blumeare, >> yes. >> Khesi, >> yes. >> Novak, >> yes. Rios. >> Yes. >> Sarski.

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>> Yes. >> Okay. We'll have a resolution for the next meeting. >> Okay. >> Thank you. I just a couple more items. >> Yep. >> Seems like everybody talked a lot tonight, mayor. So, >> that's all right. It's the beginning of campaign season. >> But just a quick update. Uh Nicole and I had met with Melissa, who was the

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original um imper person who asked about the uh rainbow bridge. Uh Nicole has already uh met with our environmental commission as well who's been forwarding uh a lot of information and working together on that. Uh I know that Jay has

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been asked to put some sketches together uh for the next proposal. That's based on a lot of the input if no not a lot all the input that we've got from our residents who um like the idea had great ideas and uh hopefully we'll have a wonderful proposal that puts it all

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together uh in one night neat basket and we're looking forward to figuring out some funding for that and actually getting it moved forward. So that's my update on that. I appreciate uh Alberto you talking about the peddlers ordinance. I know that I spoke and take Glenn and he has been working with um our various officials to see what we can

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do about that and you're right is something we need to do before probably the fourth of July uh e efforts because our wreck program is going to we want to make sure we have our food trucks there and all. >> Thank you. I'm I'm available if if you need anything. >> Appreciate that. And the last thing is

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just an ask uh for Glenn. I know you've been very very busy and all the things you've been preparing with the budget and what have you, but please please if you haven't done so already, please sit down with our first responders on the LOAP increase because I don't know if that's going to end up becoming a referendum or if it's something that we can do uh amongst Mayor Council. Mayor,

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thanks so much. I appreciate the opportunity. That was my report. Just one one thing uh council president for those that are new to the meeting and those that may be new to tuning in w would you just briefly explain the rainbow bridge concept?

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>> Yeah, it's a wonderful concept from one of our residents who uh who's uh unfortunately their uh their dog had passed away a year ago. Uh and just like most of us that kind of that grieve just like a family member would have loss of a pet. Um there was she had suggested

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that this would be a great opportunity to put something in cereal that's very similar to a rainbow bridge that currently exists in North Carolina. And again it's just a it's an area for people to reflect and remember they've been able to put uh their collars uh on the on the bridge itself. It has the

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poem that it's based on. Um and again it's just an opportunity for everybody to get together talk about um reflect on on that and and also just to kind of cover right and be part of community which I think is important. >> Okay. Thank you. Council President the floor for one second again. >> Go ahead.

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>> Sorry I forgot one important thing that also happened on this weekend. We talk about the fishing tournament in Saraveville Kennedy Park but nobody brought up the BIC fishing tournament which was the following day. To me, that's just as important, if not greater importance, to take at least 20

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handicapped children, take them fishing, show them how to catch fish. We caught more fish Sunday than I have ever seen from anybody. We have, we break it down into counselors, get four, three, four people, and we teach them how to fish.

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We get them set up. We try to do everything for them. We have ice cream, we have hot dogs, we have soda, we have chips. We break it down. We show them in the beginning how to fish. And it's a very important day. I'd like to see more people there, but try maybe next year, but it's a great day.

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>> I didn't even know about it. So, >> it's the same day after the cereable fishing tournament for the last 25 years. >> I And I've been sitting here and I've never known about it. It's the first time I heard about it. Thank you for letting us know. And you should uh see if uh you know, the police will come out and help with that, too. I mean, I

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understand Officer Fish's entire family was there. >> Great. It's a great day out. and we had a lot of smiling faces. >> Thank you for letting me know. >> Thank you. >> Future years, sir. >> Okay, that being said, uh I have a couple items. First one is the veterans

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uh flagpole on the South River Bridge. Uh we have an employee for the burrow. His name is Andy Oka. Andy is an immigrant from Poland when communism began to fail in Poland. Andy was able

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to get on a plane and fly to JFK airport. He had a $100 in his pocket and um there was someone standing there with a sign that says, "I speak Polish." Andy didn't know a soul in America. He didn't speak our language. And anyway, long

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fast forward, he he ends up uh making his home. Uh, and he is he is he is one of the true great stories of immigration to America. Uh, by the way, his son, uh,

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Andy had three kids. uh and and and one son is a West Point graduate, an Apache helicopter pilot, and he has been assigned uh to teach for the next several years at West Point along with his wife, a West Point graduate, an

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Apache helicopter pilot. And the other week, they were both promoted uh to the rank of major. So once again, Seville can be very proud uh of our of our children who grow into adults and become

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very successful. So um that being said, Andy was the one that came to me about this flag pole. It hadn't been used. It was in disrepair. Didn't have electricity. Uh and he was really the guy that spearheaded it. Put all the different

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factors together. uh the South River people, the county people, the Saveville people, got it cleaned up, got it electrified, um found a sponsor. Um so my hat is off to Andy as he is extraordinarily

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competent on many many things when it comes to the burrow. What's normal for him is is at the at 4:00 when when the day is over, he goes home, has his dinner, and then he is our liaison to JCPNL.

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He comes back at night and and he goes and he answers all the questions about lights that aren't working. And it's Andy who gets the and he's a humble guy. uh he he gets the credit for lighting up Seville and he doesn't want the credit

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but my job is to give it credit to people uh for the work that they do. So um I I think it's very important that he be recognized not only for the flag pole which um is is just part of his stirring

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patriotism uh but also he he has an unbelievable work ethic in the burrow of Saraveville. That being said, let's go get to the business at hand, which is the budget. And I instruct the governing body just to go back a number of years with

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another budget. Uh, and it was similar and it was it was uh three Rs and three Ds that set up here and and and it came out as a tie vote. >> No, it was four Democrats and two Republicans. I voted with the Republicans then to pass.

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>> Whatever it was, I wouldn't break the tie. uh and and we we'd go through the this theatrics every meeting and they were dying to get me to break the tie. I instructed the business administrator at the time to contact the department of

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community affairs and uh the department of community affairs came back and said it is not the function of the mayor to break the tie on a budget and if the governing body fails to put a to put a working budget

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together they will be fined. I can't remember whether it was $25 a day or $50 a day and in no time at all the burrow had a budget. So I am going to instruct the business administrator to contact the department of community affairs and

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find out how we should move forward since we seem to be at an impass. Uh that being said, we will go to the next part. >> General discussion. Authorization to issue a discharge of mortgage for 218

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Washington Road block 81 lot 90.02. >> Any objection? Next item. Authorization of for the tax collector to refund taxes and cancel all subsequently build taxes due to 100% disabled veteran tax exemption for a 23 Sheltonham place in the amount of $542.90.

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12. >> Any objection? Next item. >> 12 PRO to Court in the amount of $4,63953. >> Any objection? Next item. >> 40 Woodmere Drive in the amount of $3,725.31. >> Any objection? and nine can place in the

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amount of $319.37. >> Any objection? Next item. >> Authorization to dispose of surplus OEM equipment. >> Any objection? Next item. >> Do we know what any of that is? >> Um I think trailers can't be

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>> used any longer. Authorization to purchase emergency lighting equipment for the fire department from East Coast Emergency Lighting through NJ State Contract in an amount not to exceed $29,756.86. >> Since we have no budget, can we approve this?

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>> I think this was part of last year's capital. >> Yeah, this is last year's mayor capital from last year. >> We can do it. Okay, go ahead. Uh, any objection? Next item. Authorization to award a non-fair and open contract to Gen Electric of Springfield for for

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preventative maintenance and repair on traffic lights in amount not to exceed $47,26369. >> Any objection? Next item. >> Authorization to purchase an inbuilding birectional amplifier from Tactical Public Safety through NJ State Contract in amount not to exceed $59,77523.

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>> Any objection? Next item. request received to hold a block party um from residents of Corey Street between Donna and Sut Street on July 4th from 1 p.m. to 11 p.m. >> The objection. Next item. >> Um and request received from the Environmental Commission to pass a

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resolution in support of Senate and Assembly Bill S2338 and A3735. >> Any objection? >> I just don't What is that bill, >> John? Uh in in just the simplest of terms,

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it's a it's a revised super fund bill uh where um the the I guess it's to the state legislature has seen fit to say that we have polluters which we know uh that have produced particularly using fossil fuels and as a result our environment has been impacted by that

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and towns like Sable which we've had in the past where we've had brownfields and a result we've had great deals of needs to get uh funding to be able to get those sites set up. It appears that this is a similar bill to do that as well. >> Okay. Any objection? Next item.

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>> Um it's on Glenn. >> Okay. >> Mayor, I'm going to pull my first item until we get a resolution to this uh pay scale issue for the management specialist personnel. Uh so all I'm requesting is authorization to call for a certified list for patrolman from the

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department of personnel so the police department could start their vetting process. >> Any objection? >> All right, Daniel. Uh Danielle, any any report? Okay. Um Jay Cornell, Burough Engineers report.

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>> One item, the Jes complex looking for a change order allowing contractor to do additional work that's requested by the burrow, but there'll be no change in the overall contract. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. At this time, I'm going to open the public portion. >> Mr. Mayor, before you open the public caution, I have something. >> I can't hear.

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>> Uh I >> Oh, go ahead, Her. Thank you. I'd like uh to make a motion to propose making data centers especially prohibited use in all zones in the bar including redevelopment zones.

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>> What are you asking for? I can't >> for data centers to be prohibited. >> Okay. Well, listen, Seattle, when Seattle speaks, part some parts of Saraveville listens. Just so you know, I've had a meeting with the environmental uh chairperson and it is

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under review with them. I would ask that until such time as their review comes forward that we not uh provide a knee-jerk reaction. It seems to be popular at the moment to say no to these things,

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>> but Sarah is doing financial uh calculations and until all the information is in, I think it would be uh a grossly injurious to the taxpayer of Save particularly in lie of uh the

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tax increases that have come this year. uh and whereas we need sources of revenue and this would be an excellent source of revenue if it meets a criteria. So I would ask that before this become a political football which

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is what Seattle would like this to be. Um >> I don't know I don't know what you mean by that. >> Yes. Well, if you don't know then you have a lot of lot to learn about sitting up here. That being said, I would I would ask that you withdraw this until

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such time as our as our uh environmental commission and and Sarah has an opportunity to weigh in on it. Otherwise, we're voting on something we don't really have enough information on other than a couple of policies. >> I can give you I can give you all the

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information you need and based on uh whatever the environmentalists are saying and all the uh pluses for revenues that we're talking about in the long run, this is going to hurt our town. >> Well, that's your opinion. Let's see

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what the people that I have put in put uh discharged this to let them come back and make their recommendation which it would be the normal course not something concocted by a failed PR guy out in Seattle.

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>> Well, remember this is this is my area of >> No, your area is it. >> That is this is it. Data centers the difference data centers are just servers. Okay. in in in a in a room somewhere and

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the the thing is they destroy everything >> in your town no matter what they say. >> What is the panic? What is the panic that's >> there is no panic reaction particularly at the beginning of a campaign? >> It is has nothing to do with a campaign.

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>> Absolutely 1,000% has everything to do >> why does everything has to do with a campaign to keep the people of voice of Seattle. No, of Seattle knows nothing about data centers. >> The point of order >> would be the environmental commission

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would review it, research it and make recommendations. >> The only recommendation they can make if they were to come here and says we have different ways of cooling these servers without using all these but then they don't. The latest the latest the latest

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thing right now is to try to build them in the ocean. >> Okay. Well, I thought I thought Elon Musk was going to build them in space. >> Yeah, but no, that that's further down the line. But right now, >> South Brunswick has built a very large data center for Bloomberg.

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Piscataway has six servers. New Jersey has 60 uh 60 data centers. The United States has 4,000. Right? >> China has 400. England, Germany, France has 400.

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>> Right? So let what is your fear or what is what is Seattle's fear about finding more information? >> Uh respectfully sir, can you not say that because I have no idea? >> Because that's 100% what it is. >> Okay. So basically because I'm coming up with facts, so that means that Seattle

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has something to do with >> Absolutely. He's the guiding. So, you mean to tell me because I'm trying to prevent uh uh our residents to be bothered by this incessant humming, the r the rising of temperature, hold on,

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>> the cost the the rising cost of electric eventually. What they're going to tell you is that okay, we're going to do this, we're going to do that. But you know what happens eventually? They have to build new system to maintain to meet the requirements which in court will

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cost us. So me making a motion to not have this uh uh this in our town has nothing to do with anything you are saying sir. Respectfully. >> No has everything to do with it. >> Okay. Well, >> I've been doing this a long time. That being said, 20 odd years ago when the

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Neptune project came to Seville, which was to take electricity from Seville, run it down to the Raritan River, and then run a cable from Seville down the Ritan River out to Raritton Bay,

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shoot it across New York Bay to Point Lookout, Long Island. It then came on uh it then came out of the water and it ran up the Wanto Expressway and was dispersed to Long Island. At that time

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uh it was legally allowed for the mayor to sit on Sarah. Uh and then due to some silly shenanigans by a local legislator, it got eliminated. But all that being said, um

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the the the governing body had concerns about noise, about vibrations, the very things that you're talking about. And they asked the developer, they said, "We would like to see something similar to thinking it would be in New Jersey or New York within within a reasonable

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driving distance." The closest they had was Northern Ireland. the developer brought the governing body to Northern Ireland to this similar facility. I didn't go. I wanted the the uh

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redevelopment uh agency to go. They went the ladies who were who were commissioners at the time when they got into the facility took off their shoes, walked all around, talked to all the people in the surrounding town and came back and said, "Yes, it passes muster."

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you know, all the things we are afraid of have been addressed. Why don't you allow that to happen? Do you think that with all the money, with all the trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars going into AI, they're not going to they're not going to resolve it? My

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instructions to the Environmental Commission was, give me I I want you to go through and see if you can make this work. List all your objections. go over it with any and we there's no developer there yet. It's just 400 acres of

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industrial property for sale and and so so far there's like three things that can go on that more warehousing, light manufacturing or a data center. So this year everybody's taxes on the average house is going up 600 odd dollars which

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is quite significant in Sarville. If if Mayor Wher in Piscatoaway said that he he just had a very modest increase because of pilots, Mayor McCormick and Woodbridge pilots. I if if

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we don't do something, we're not we're going to be we're going to have an exodus of long-term residents who can no longer afford to live in Saveville. This has to be looked at. You are an IT guy. You have all my respect for that. But

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this has a process and whether Seattle wants this or not or he's using it as a political his nature >> and he no longer lives in Seville. >> Uh and my So that being said, why don't

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you let it follow the process it should follow instead of killing it before it even had a chance to begin? >> Because there's no good that comes from this. The only people that wins are the cloud and AI companies. Okay, these are the only people that

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wins. It doesn't create >> worked on Have you ever worked on a on a data center? >> Have you been the beneficiary? There's the difference between being the beneficiary. >> No. And being >> here's what happens. Okay, everybody's talking about AI everything is in the

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cloud. Okay, in the old days like for instance at my job, we still have you everybody has their own data center. Just imagine your phone, right? Your phone gets hot. Okay. Now, a data center, okay? I I have I have all the facts here for you, sir. A data center

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in a small business, okay, will have between 10 and 500 servers, okay? And midsize 500 to 10,000, large 10,000 to 50,000. Just imagine the humming that you're going to be hearing from all

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these servers, the heat that will come from all these and the water you need to use to cool them. Okay? Again, and then they don't create jobs. Uh temporarily, yes, they're going to build a building, but then once it's done, you don't really need staff to run it. You only

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need minimal people to run a data center. >> So, we have less we have less uh impact on our on our already impacted infrastructure. I am I but the point what you what you're not uh uh realizing that we as resident okay let's just say

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they have it elsewhere we're going to use that's great but if they have it here that will not work on Journey Milro that will that would I mean you know people will go crazy the environment all there's no good there there there are no good options when it comes to data center

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>> fear to go through the process I thought technology was advancing at unprecedented rate >> of course it is you have quantum computing. You have all that is great. But >> since there isn't isn't even a developer yet. >> That's why I'm That's why I want to make the most

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>> even a developer, but the other places in New Jersey are going through. >> Well, that's okay. You know what? That's their that's them because then then later on everybody in the town will complain. What I'm trying to do is keep that from happening here and it will happen.

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>> Nothing has been done. It's just unless unless Seattle. >> Okay. again with this will be the unless defining >> sir unless they have new >> ways of cooling servers I don't know anything

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>> without disrupting everything without making us pay for everything this will not work this is why I'm doing this I'm doing this to keep this from happening here >> I gave I gave you the benefit of the doubt one okay well I think you guys will better serve the people of

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Saraveville once you exhaust your communication with Seattle. >> Like I said, I I I like to make a motion. >> So, there's a motion now. >> Second. >> What What exactly is the motion? Councelor, if you could help the councilman

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>> to make data centers prohibited prohibited use in all zones in the borrow, including redevelopment zones. >> That that um the motion would then be for me to draft the ordinance because that has to be done by ordinance. it can't be done by um by resolution. So, I

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would have to draft a zoning ordinance that would then bar them throughout. And then with regard to redevelopment zones, we'd have to go through each existing redevelopment um plan and any one that it is is permitted. We'd have to amend that individually because one ordinance

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can't just do all of that. We need to do that individually for each plan if there's any. I don't know if there is any or not at this point. >> I understand and I appreciate it. >> Well, I just want to be clear that what's that's what the vote is it would be for. Okay. So, repeat it again for the benefit of everyone. >> I would like I'm proposing making data

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centers especially prohibited use in all zones in the borrow including redevelopment zones >> basically in town. So, >> yeah. >> Okay. Is there a second? >> Mary seconded the first one.

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>> Yeah. Are you sec? I I seconded it when he first made that motion. Mayor. >> Okay. All right. Roll call. >> Council persons Blumare. >> Yes. >> His >> no. >> Novak. >> Yes. >> Rios.

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>> Yes. >> Sinarsi. >> I abstain. I have to personally go to one of these places. I don't know that much about him. I I'd like to I'd like to see more about him myself. >> Zabowski. I'm going to vote no, but I'm

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my I'm going to vote no at this point, but but I do reserve the opportunity to change my mind based on getting more information. I appreciate everybody's concern over this and I see how heightened it is within not just the nation, but in the state as well. So, I I I I recognize that, but I also

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recognize that I don't have enough information yet. I want to be able to get more information to determine in my own mind whether it's good, bad, or indifferent. Um and I do want to caution the residents of Caveville that at this place at this time we have no

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application for one. The last application was for uh the redevelopment on Journey Mo Road for the Sunshine Biscuit which was for a warehouse not for a data center and we all agreed collectively to remove that use from

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that redevelopment area which I believe we'll have an amendment coming up in the next meeting or two. I'm not sure. So, I I'm open to this discussion, but not at the moment to make a rash decision because I just don't know enough. I want to learn a little bit more. We had the

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lady from the Sierra Club that came last two weeks ago. I thought she gave great information and a lot of what she gave seemed to be a step by step of what to do, what to watch for, and if you're on a land use board, the the the ABC

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listing of how best to do it to your uh for your community. So, I just need to hear more. Please don't box me in onto anything else other than I'm a no at this point until I get more information. >> Hey, Sash, just so you understand, when you abstain, your vote goes to the

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majority. So, you would essentially be voting yes. Did you want to keep it as an abstension or did you want to change your vote? >> I agree. The way John just made his all of his statements is pretty much exactly how I feel about it and I do have to know more about so I'll change it to a no.

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>> Okay. I I as well. I mean, you know, what do we know about the data centers? Not really, but we have to research them. >> It's a tie vote. I'll send it back to the council for further deliberation. >> You're voting no. >> No, I'm I'm not voting.

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>> I'm not voting. I'm not going to break the tie. I'll send it back. It's an important issue. I would like the redevelopment agency and Sarah to weigh in on it. Um, and that's that's the way and contact the DCA. See if I can do that.

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>> He can. >> If he refuses to >> Okay. >> Vote and it doesn't >> for direction. >> It It's motion fails because it's it's a tie. >> Okay. >> Um uh M Mr. business administrator, if you

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would uh contact the DCA about this dilemma with the budget um that that uh we have no motion on it and find out what the parameters are and what the council needs to do uh to get this extraordinarily

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important thing done. And also on the resolution for those uh on resolution 0926 for these people that remain unpaid and uh uh find out from the DCA what steps

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need to be taken by the council. Okay, that being said, I'm going to open the meeting uh for questions or comments on any and all issues. Your turn. I >> No, no, you have to come up to the mic and and to the podium, please. And your

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name and street, please. >> My name is Jazelle Shioone. >> Jazelle, you need >> you need to I still can't hear. >> You couldn't hear me? >> Yes. Thank you. >> I'm usually loud just without this. >> Well, my name is Jazelle Shioone. I'm from One

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Ridge and I'm very new to this, so I'm learning all the rules and the dos and the don'ts. But one thing just just struck me really really strong is what you said and because I was the chief operations officer I saw data centers in

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all the companies and you don't want this in this town ever. Everyone talks how great it is. Let the next town have it. Not us. We've already been pushed aside with everything that they did on Cheesecake with B. We're

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getting more commercialized than residential. We've got more blackouts than any other town I've heard of in the entire state of New Jersey. You want to add this, then you're really going to push everyone out.

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It's wrong. You want to know how it feels? Go take a computer, okay? Put your head next to it and sleep right next to it all night, every day, 24 hours a day. You do everything right

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there. That's what you're gonna have. The heat coming off it. Literally the noise. Everything around it gets dirty, dusty. It's no good. Don't believe everything that you see on TV. They're pushing you

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to it. You don't need it. Let the next town have it. Let us have our trees, our parks. Stop making it so commercialized. We're losing everyone as it is. The thing you need to understand is this is 400 acres uh private property

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industrial. >> We need we need more housing. >> Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. The property owner has certain rights. They're going to put something there. Just so you understand, it's not going to It was an industrial site for

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125 years. It will continue to be an industrial site. All this is is what's going to go there. that that's what this discussion is. >> So, >> okay. Why does it have to be an industrial? >> Because I think I think the property

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owner is looking to sell it for a half a million dollar an acre in total and they will not be financing it. So, it's a $200 million purchase which far exceeds the bureau's ability. Secondly, what

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would we do with it? Because it it's it's industrial. It's for 125 years it was an an industrial chemical site. So there are certain environmental issues that have to be addressed and again it

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exceeds our monetary ability. $200 million and then um that's that's the big thing. We don't own the property. >> You do get a say on what goes there. >> Beg your pardon? Yes, we do. >> You do get a say

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>> Yes, we do. We do and that's what this discussion is about. >> But >> but something is going to go there whether you like so if they want to the the easy thing is to put all warehouses there. So you have uh what is it 400

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acres awful lot of warehouses. uh more the appealing thing is a not to have residential so that there's no further pressure on on um on the schools

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and the other thing is to not have uh standard warehouses so that there's uh so that we don't increase the pressure on the roads. So what's left? Something that doesn't employ a lot of people, doesn't have children, and pays and pays

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a a very decent amount of taxes. >> Acres, you can make it another with a new school. You can add so much more. You put roads there, a new school. >> I'm not hearing housing. >> With 400 acres, you can put

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>> housing, roads, a new school to you can. There are millions of options. It doesn't happen. >> If there are millions of options for that, are there? And I don't know the answer. That's why I signed it to the environmental commission and to the redevelopment commission.

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Find find a reason to make it work. If it can't work, then we'll find something else. It's at the be very very I mean, it hasn't been a year since they shut down the last remnants of manufacturing

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there. So, it's a very new process. Um, and that's what I know. So, >> I don't think you would find that >> I just think that at this point this town needs less companies and more homes. We're losing

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the people because of all the businesses you're putting in here. Big ones from like on Cheesequake. That was a doozy. taking all those trees. >> You know what was behind the trees be before? First of all, I I've just done

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some polling. So, I find that younger people think those warehouses look great. They're very happy with it. I find I find that people my age and I was born in 1953. Uh we don't adapt as well to change. So

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the fact that they took the buffer of trees down to put up the warehouses, it was always vacant land behind there. Always. >> What's wrong with that? We had wildlife. >> We still do. Do you know we have a 500 acre nature preserve right next to

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there? >> Do you know where half that wildlife went to? Staten Island. I'm actually back and forth. >> Okay. They've been inundated with more deer since those factories were put there. >> But it's a process and everyone seems to

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be afraid of a process. I I don't understand. >> I'm not afraid of a process. I'm afraid of the wrong process. >> Well, it's a process you agree with or a process you don't agree with. And uh what what I'm looking forward to is the result. Maybe it can't work at Seville.

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Maybe it can. Maybe there's something in between. But we have to uh but the goal is to bring the property to the highest and best use. That being said, that is the opinion that I have speaking just for myself. Uh

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I would like to go through the process there. There's a big knee-jerk reaction going around that the sky is falling. I don't know whether it is or it isn't. Let's find out. That is >> I have a knee-jerk reaction, but I do know computers. I am it also. Okay.

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>> So I I suggest >> So then all computer all computers are there >> and abstain from it until you explore it for a bit. >> Okay. Well, we'll find out, won't we? >> Okay. >> All right. And and track it. Really track it. First do the exercise. Find

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the find the reason why not. And then if it cannot be found, >> I need to know the re I know it already. I've been in the field. >> I don't know it already. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Being no other

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questions or comments, entertain a motion to close the public portion. >> So moved. >> Roll call. >> No. >> Second. >> Second. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> All in favor? >> I. >> I.

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>> Okay. A motion for adjournment. >> Mayor, I'd just like to say one thing. I I really a question. Councilman Sabrowski, maybe my hearing is going, but he's the director of Sarah. And did he just not say that they're going to remove data

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centers from that property shortly? >> No, >> Hercules property. >> No, I didn't say that at all. Well, I said there was an there was a ordinance that we were to adopt I think two meetings ago which was for the redevelopment of the area on Journey Mill Road from

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>> which was we all called Sunshine Biscuit and collectively I think we all agreed that we were going to remove that use >> of a data center >> sunshine property and not from all of it. >> Well, the only thing that we were addressing that night was that ordinance. >> Okay. No, I I misunderstood. That's why.

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And one other thing, Kennedy was it was uh not that anybody really cares. It was 2012. It was my first year back on the council and I broke with my fellow Democrats and voted with the Republicans. And it was not a quick process. It was the middle of September

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before we got a budget. So your recollection really isn't as good as mine is. That was not political in nature. Do you remember that when the BA uh read the report of the of the Department of Community Affairs that if the council for every day the council delayed doing

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the budget, there would be a monetary fine against the council member >> got established it got past that that meeting. It was remarkable. >> Yep. But that was September mayor. It it was not a quick process. >> What can I say? and and it wasn't political in nature because I voted with

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the >> um I have a quick question won't take a too long. Um I I read about the a clean communities grant money maybe for Glenn or whoever wants to uh like to address that. How is that going to be used? Do

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we know? >> Uh it goes into a general fund that's run out of uh Elise Baron's office. She's the one that's responsible for scheduling a lot of these large-scale cleanups. Uh it it's used for a whole variety of things. Uh the bottle fillers

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we put in most of our parks came out of a prior clean communities grant to slow down the amount of uh plastic being put into the recycling. So uh Elise comes to us with plans periodically for events. She makes good and judicious use of that money and all of it is directly invi uh

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involved with improving our environment. Thank you. >> Okay. Motion to adjurnn. >> So moved. >> All in favor? >> I need a second. >> I >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> oppose. Okay. Thank you everyone.