I have a roll. >> Um, first chairman, this uh meeting has been advertised in accordance to the sunshine law. >> How come we have that third down? >> That's on the second one. >> Mr. Kandell >> here. >> Miss Lman >> here. Mr. Mueller >> here. >> Mr. Shaw >> here.
>> Mr. Saka >> here. >> Mr. Veosen here. >> Mr. Williams >> here. >> Council President Sabrowski >> here. Chairman Ty here. We have a quorum. >> Thank you very much. Memorialization of resolutions. >> None this evening. >> Okay. Minutes. We need a uh acceptance from the minutes from the last meeting.
>> Absolutely. We have the meeting from December 3rd, 2025. >> First, we need a motion. >> Motion to accept. >> Second. All in favor? >> I opposed. >> The next is January 7th, 2026.
All in favor? >> Any opposed? >> None this evening. >> Uh this evening we have planning board number 25-03 preliminary and final site plan with C variances caravan LLC. This was carried from our December 3rd, 2025
meeting. The block is 277 lots 1 through 5 and 13 and 14. Good evening, Mr. Weski. >> Morning, Mr. Chairman, members of the board. Uh, John Wesneski Wneski and Associates representing Caravan LLC on
this application for preliminary and final major site plan with two with three variances and two waiverss. Uh as was discussed earlier, this matter was carried. I received a letter from the board indicating that jurisdiction had
been accepted based on our affidavit of service. And so jurisdiction is still good as of tonight. Um we have five witnesses that we'd like to put on. Robert Murray from Menllo Engineering. Uh Kevin from Kanzani
Associates, the architect. Scott Kennel from Mcdana Ray who will do the traffic testimony. James Higgins from James Higgins and Associates who will do the planning testimony. And the applicant or the principal of the applicant, Mike Carakappa, who's running late, but he'll
be here by the time he's up. There are 11 items that have been submitted. Those were all outlined in the submittal letter, including the site plan, the architectural plans, both of which were revised and submitted in December. And
the revision on that was just simply to provide attic storage where there was not any ability to have attic storage before. It also eliminated there were six lube locations. There are only four now and that was done to
address the parking concerns that were raised. We've received both review letters, one from Morgan Engineering and the other from Acuity Consulting. haven't received anything subsequent to those letters. Uh I'm not sure if there
were any other reviews that were pending, but we didn't get them. Nope. Okay. >> No, no, you >> So, just as a brief overview, this is a application to construct an approximately 9,300 foot oil change, car wash, and detailing business. A
permitted use in the B3 zone where this is located. It's a one-story building. It will have a basement for storage, and as I mentioned just recently, an attic for storage. It'll have four lube bays, three detailing bays. It will have an
office area and an office storage area. The applicant, the applicant is proposing to dedicate part of his property to the right of way for Carney Road because Carney Road kind of narrows unnaturally towards their rear end. So
this will actually homogenize the width of Carney Road for the length. Um in addition to the preliminary and final site plan that we're seeking, there are two bulk variances and two design waiverss. Um one is with regard to
parking as I had mentioned and you'll hear testimony from our experts on that. The other is for three freestanding signs where only two or only one is permitted. But the two additional ones are essentially directional signs.
They're freestanding and therefore meet the definition, but they're not advertising. They're not out on the highway. They're interior. Yeah. So, uh, as you get to the queue for the car wash, there'll be a sign, kind of a menu. And then as you go
through the queue, as you get closer to the start, there'll be another sign of similar nature, but the real advertising one will be out in the front. And then, as I mentioned, the parking and then there's design waiverss because some of the parking area is closer to the right
of way than the design standards call for in the municipal ordinances. Um there are there's one easement on the property. You may be familiar with it. Middle Sex County Utilities Authority easement runs on the northeast property
line of the property between this property which is now vacant and the former Stelmashic bus garage. Uh but there's nothing planned, no development plan exactly on top of that easement. We're trying to stay as far away from
that as we can in the event that the MCUA wants to get in there and do any work on it. We don't want to impede them. Uh with that, Mr. Chairman, we would be ready to begin our testimony with our
engineer. Tell me if you'd like to swear in all of the professionals at once or do them >> one at a time. >> One at a time. Okay. So then we're going to start with our engineer and that's going to be Rob Murray from
Menllo. >> Good evening. >> I do um for the purposes of qualifying him as an expert, he has testified in front of boards. Would you detail for this planning board your prior experience testifying in front of boards?
>> Yes, I uh testified before numerous boards mostly in Middle Sex County but never had the pleasure of testifying in in Serville >> and provide the board with your professional lure and educational background. I uh graduated from
Stevenson Institute of Technology in 2017 with a bachelor's in civil engineering and I have been a uh professional engineer since March 2021 which is about 5 years. >> With that, Mr. Chairman, I would submit that he be accepted as an expert.
>> All you're ready. >> Thank you, Rob. We have uh two exhibits up there. Uh let's first mark them for the record. So if you would just describe for the board what's there. There's a marking A1 and A2 on those
exhibits. If I can direct your attention to the easel to my left here, which is our existing conditions exhibit, which is an aerial photograph of the site and its surroundings. And just to orientate my drawings today, north is to the right.
The site best known as Caravan LLC is designated as lots 1 through five and 13 through 14 in block 277 in the burrow of Seerville tax map. The site is located on the northwest corner of Kernney Road
and Route 9. Excuse me. Yes, Northwest. Uh the property the property has access off of Route 9 off of a uh broken asphalt area in the north corner and overall the site is property is approximately 2.06 acres and located
entirely within the B3 highway business zone. The site is surrounded by commercial uses to the north and to the east and single family homes to the south and west. As it exists today, it is currently a vacant lot with overgrown
vegetation and portions of broken asphalt. >> Rob, just for the record, let's just uh identify this first drawing up there has a marking. I think it says A1 at the bottom. >> Correct. This is exhibit A1. >> And what does this show? This is an aerial view of the site as it is. >> Correct.
>> Okay. So, we'll submit that as our first exhibit. And then if you just take it down just so that we can save time later what the second one is. >> This is our overall plan exhibit marked as exhibit A2. >> And we'll submit that as our second
exhibit. Continue. >> Okay. Uh, our overall plan exhibit is a colorized rendering of the submitted overall plan with an aerial photograph and landscaping turned on. The applicant is seeking to construct a building for
car wash, quick lube, and car detailing services, which are permitted uses. The building footprint is approximately 9,396 square feet. It has one car wash tunnel on the north portion of the building, four lube bays in the center portion of
the building, and three detailing bays to the south portion of the building. So on the north over here, we have our car wash. The center we have the four lube bays and the three detail bays on
the south portion of the building. The building stands at a complying height of 33 and a/4 feet. Um site improvements include uh a right in right out uh access driveway
um all along Route 9 to the east here right here. a two-way drive aisle 24T wide that eventually leads to a one-way entrance lane to the car wash that's approximately 12 ft. So, if you look at
the north end here, we have our we have our entrance right here leading to the building and then we have our our oneway exit at the um the east side of the building. Site improvements also include parking.
We have 16 parking spaces where 31 is required. These spaces are 9 by8. In our recent revision, we provide a loading space on the west side of the building right here, right kind of where the uh
notch is in the L in the building. This loading space is 12T by 37 where 12x 50 is required. So, we will need a waiver. Um, a burm is provided along
Kernney Road right here with some landscaping. Uh, dumpster enclosure provided on the south side of the building near the detail bays here.
Excuse me. proposed sidewalk and handicap ramps are provided along the building and along current uh excuse me Route 9. Utility services to the building include a sanitary lateral connecting to the existing on-site sewer and a proposed
water service connecting to the service of Route 9. Three proposed freestanding signs are provided throughout the site. a a a proposed sign at the entrance identifying the site here along Route 9.
And two two uh signs which list the services provided for the car wash are provided along the one way to the car tunnel here and here.
Improvements also include lighting and landscaping. We're providing 26 shade trees, two ornamental trees, 31 evergreen trees, 261 shrubs, and this is included along the burm to the south, the residential
buffer to the west, and along Route 9 frontage. This meets all the ordinance requirements. Lighting includes five polemounted light fixtures approximately 24 and 1/2 ft high. Three wall-mounted LED fixtures 12
ft high. This provides a minimum of.5 foot candles and 1.28 average foot candles in the parking area which is safe and adequate. We do note that the comment that there the a waiver is
necessary for the lighting at the property line where a maximum of 0.5 is required where we're providing 6, but this is only at the entrance drive aisle and not along any of the uh along Kernney Road or any of the neighboring property lines.
We also note that there's a comment to coordinate with the NJ DOT on the lighting at the drive aisle which was s suggested by the engineer and we will we will co coordinate with the NJ dot as suggested
the site is considered a major development. Therefore we are required storm water management. We comply with the quantity, quality, and recharge requirements through a the use of a proposed smallcale infiltration basin located at the southern corner
here. This meets all the NJAP storm water management requirements. And lastly, to tee up the waiverss and varants, we are required a waiver for the environmental impact statement. We
require a parking setback waiver for where we're providing 15.6 feet from Kernney Road after the dedication where 50 is required. As previously mentioned, we have the loading space uh dimensions require a
waiver where we're providing 12 ft by 37 ft where 12x 50 is required. And as I also previously stated, we're providing 6 ft candles at the driveway entrance where 0.5 is required is the maximum.
Variants include u parking where 16 spaces are proposed or 31 is required. Signage where we're providing three signage uh signs where one is is uh allowed and proposed sign setback where
15 is provided where 25 is required. I read the board's professionals letters and I have no objection except for off- streetet parking comment 1 A3 um which require us to have one EV parking spaces but do in the state
statute it says that uh if you provide less than 25 spaces you are not required a parking space uh EV parking charging station and uh that concludes my testimony on the improvements of the site. >> Thanks Rob. Um just a couple of other
requests for further clarification in those review letters from Morgan and Acuity. Uh they asked about easements on the property. Can you just show the board where the easement is? >> Yes, there's a uh utility easement along
the north property line here and we are giving a rightaway dedication on the south here along Kernney Road. >> Thank you. One of the other comments was to discuss the status of outside agency
approvals in particular NJ DOT. >> We have made an application to NJ DOT. We we do not have approval yet. >> Okay. Um in terms of the environmental impacts, what if any environmental impacts does this development have?
>> So the site we're not clearing any trees. It's really just overgrown um grass. So, which is why we requested a waiver as it's very little impact on the environment. >> And there's there's going to be some grading on the site. You mentioned BMS.
How, if at all, does that grading impact adjoining properties? >> Uh, the grading is far away from the neighboring properties and the grading is so that all the improvements on site drain to the proposed small-cale
infiltration basin. There was a request for confirmation or demonstration that the existing water manes have adequate pressure for a fire hydrant or fire suppression. Can you address that?
>> We do not have a uh full serve letter what yet from the water company. We will work with them to provide uh what they need to gain service to the building. >> And that would be a condition of u resolution compliance condition.
Correct. >> Okay. And then you touched on it. You identified the location for the refuge container. One of the comments was discuss the feasibility of a truck coming in to collect that refu container.
>> Yes. So we provide truck movement plans on the final page of our site plan. Uh this the truck will pull in, collect the refuge, and then use the space on the west side of the building to maneuver
and to uh revert back towards Route 9. >> And then finally, the application is requesting a variance from the bulk standard on the number of parking spaces, and the ordinance talks about auto repair as the standard under which
this is being measured. Can you speak to the board about how this is different from that in terms of what what the use here is as opposed to auto repair >> uh in terms of car wash detailing and um
oil change? >> Clarify. >> Yeah. Does does the is there a need is there as greater a need for parking where you're doing car washes, oil change and >> repair um detailing as opposed to auto repair as the ordinance describes.
>> So um as you can expect from a site that for a use that has something as car wash lube bays and detailing the cars that are being brought on site are going to be serviced within the building and stored within the building typically. So I wouldn't anticipate a high demand of
parking spaces for such a use. >> And in fact the some of the vehicles that will be coming on site for instance there are four uh bays for lube and there are three bays for detailing. That's essentially seven parking spots.
>> Correct. >> Okay. >> I have no further questions for the engineer. thinking variance from 31 to 16. >> Correct. >> Given the seven, you're still short. That's what you're seeking.
>> That's correct. >> Okay. Anybody have somebody? So originally because we had six lube bays, it was 39, but we wanted to try to get the required parking number down. So we eliminated two of those bays. So the
original plan, you saw those six bays. The plans that we submitted in December only have four bays. >> Review it. >> Correct. There was there was no updated uh letter. That's right, >> Mr. Chairman. And maybe Mr. This is
really for the for the applicant and not the engineer. But in in the resolution, if approved, the stipulation would be simply for those uses, right? Not for any extended auto repair or mechanical repair where vehicles will be on will be stored on site for periods of time. Correct.
>> Correct. The applicant would be perfectly fine that this specified that this is for automobile detailing. uh oil changes and car wash >> and there'll be no sale of vehicles or any of that nature as well. >> No. And and and Mr. Cara Kappa will be
here shortly and he can put that on the record if you'd like. >> Thank you. >> And the other thing I would just point out uh Councilman is that there are actual spaces in front of each of the lube bays and the detailing bays and you could theoretically have cars parked
there waiting to queue in. So, while there's a shortfall of seven actual mark spaces, you probably only have like a shortfall of two when you take those 1 2 3 4 seven spots. >> Question.
>> Yes. >> A number of other car washes in the area. I've noticed at times busy times uh cars line up on the shoulder of the road right there where that's at that's going to be that's an entrance into uh into the highway for people coming off
of uh uh Main Street extension and all that. What would be the backup plan if uh you get really busy? I don't know if that's a question for you but >> I think I think Mr. the car cappa can answer that and also the traffic but
there's a considerable distance and I don't know if the engineer can quantify uh from where the uh autodetailing the traffic dumpster is to the beginning of the car wash and it's double laned in correct Mr.
Uh it is double lane um till this point here on the west side of the building that becomes a single lane oneway traffic. >> Do you have a distance on how far that queue is? >> Um I could certainly get a distance um but maybe while someone else is
testifying >> but we'll also bring that up with the other professional. >> Anybody else have any questions with the engineer? >> Go ahead. Um, we just want to get some test point on what's the procedure if somebody gets in the queue for the car
wash. You're not going to see those services like have a bailout or anything. >> No, there's no bailout lane because we wanted to avoid doing any type of work on top of the utilities authority easement.
But Mr. Caracappa can address that. Maybe he'll let him go through for free. Although once word gets out, everybody will get to the gate and say, "I've changed my mind. Let me through." >> Well, it's not even that without having to
get out of what happens in machinery backs down. My wife is in car car wash. She goes almost every day and she the last two months and up on 18, she's gotten stuck in the machine right for a
half hour. Of course, they gave her a free month, but uh still >> but it created a big practice on P's Lane because everybody just >> Correct. Well, one one of the options could be is to um instead of doing any kind of
pvious um imperous surface to the side of the building, putting the um those uh permeable blocks down that grass grows in so that there would be uh an emergency bypass to press curb cut.
People could drive through that on the off chance that there's a need to do that. room for that? >> Yes, there's I think Mr. Murray distance is from the side to side. >> Excuse me. >> What's the distance from the side of the building to the property line?
>> Uh the it's about 56 ft. We do want to avoid the uh utility um easement, but I think grass papers could be appropriate for an emergency uh bypass. >> All right, keep that consideration.
>> Okay. Go ahead. >> Environmentally just what kind of uh flooring do you have uh when you change the oil and everything? I know that oil seepage when you do that and environmental
smell. >> So the the lube bays, Rob, would you just point out where they are? They're interior to the building. Uh and the uh individuals that service the vehicles do that from the bottom. And there's a
facility, there's a mechanism to catch the waste oil that gets then recycled. And Mr. Caracappa was Oh, all right. When we have him come up and testify later, he can talk about the details on how that works. But
basically, that oil that's coming out of the vehicle is captured and then ultimately uh someone comes in, truck, takes that waste oil out, and it's a concrete floor in the basement. So there's no chance that this is going to wind up on dirt seeping in into the
soil. >> They hold this recycled oil on the tank. >> Yeah. >> Does it have a reserve in case that tank splits? >> I'll have Mr. Caracappa talk about that. I know a little but not that much. >> Okay. Thank you.
Next like to call on our architect. Um it's Kevin from Kanzani Associates. Have the microphone. >> Good evening. >> I do.
Um, I've uh graduated New Jersey Institute of Technology in 1995. I have been a licensed architect in the state of New Jersey since 2009. I've worked for the firm that I am at now uh since 1994 for 31 years.
>> Motion to accept favor. >> Mr. Chairman, thank you. Uh Mr. Sp, would you uh there's an exhibit up there. Let's identify it for the board and put it in the record. Certainly uh these are the architectural drawings
that um our firm has created. Um it is A1 and A2. It is the uh floor plans and the elevations of the building >> and they're they're marked as exhibit what? >> They are marked as exhibit A3
>> and A4 each page. Yeah, >> I apologize. Yes, you're correct. >> Okay. So, why don't you walk the board through what is marked as exhibit A3, which is the first floor of the facility? >> Uh, certainly. Um, what we what we've
designed is uh essentially an L-shaped building with the uh cwash tunnel to the northern uh portion of the property um with the access and entrances into the facility from the back so that all noise would be projected out to the front towards the highway itself.
Specifically, the car wash. As you enter the car wash, there would be a uh a wash bay at the very beginning where they would prep the car. Trip typically, there is a tram or a trwler on the floor that will then take the car and pull the car through the car wash itself. And in
the car wash, there will be multiple pieces of equipment. I do not know the specifics of which pieces of equipment that we are purchasing at this time. The last item would be the the noisiest of all of them, which would be the blower. that is what blows the water off of the car and cleans the car itself. That is
placed at the front of the building facing the highway. So again, the noise would be projected out and not towards the residential neighborhoods. Um the quick lube bays are very similar. They enter into the quick lubes. You'd pull up, you'd be greeted by a person at the front door. Person would take the car
and pull it into the actual bay itself. uh determining what you're actually getting done on the car, whether you're getting your uh oil filter changed, oil changed, transmission fluid removed, washer fluid is usually added. Um a lot of times they also do the u filters, the air filters in a car as well in a quick
loop depending upon what services you're looking for. All of that would be done within here. Um we have a trench and this I've done this on a couple of car washes and quick loops before where we do a trench. So the car is pulled in. You do not need a lift where your typical repair bay that you would see in
a car dealership has a a lift where you actually are lifting the car up. You're able to do the services on the car from underneath. You can take the tires off. You can do all the work that you need on the car. This is just the car sitting right on the floor, but a person is standing underneath and is able to work underneath the car through the trench.
The trench actually has um fiberglass grading that goes into it so the grates are removed when the car is there so they can actually work on it and then put back in for life safety issues. so that a c or a a technician does not fall through into the basement. The basement area is specifically used for the access
of the cars. There would also be a bulk oil water bulk oil tanks downstairs, both recycled and new oil, so that as the oil is taken out of the car, it is put into the recycle tank. It can be pumped out later. The new oil would then be pumped up to the the actual pumps
that would feed from the top and they will put the oil back into the car. The last item in the in the building is on the far south side are three um detail bays. Detail bays are usually done um if there is nobody there and you are
looking to have it done, they can do it at that time, but it's usually by appointment because the the details usually take longer. It takes 45 minutes to an hour to fully detail a car. So that is usually a detailed where you're actually by appointment on these.
So just uh one of the changes that were made, we discussed that there are fewer lube bays, but the other change was the attic storage. Would you just discuss that with the board, please? >> Absolutely. The owner was looking for a large file storage area for himself. So we have added in a secondary stair that
goes up and built in a um a large storage room basically over the quick lube bay. I do not want to extend it over the car wash because of water issues and the way we are looking to design this as a truss roof. It's just easier to have a a uniform truss going
across the whole thing and then framing this portion. >> And there are no windows there. It's just purely for storage. >> That is correct. >> And there's a lift that will take stuff up and down to the attic. >> That is correct. We've added one small parts or equipment lift so they can put uh like tucker totes with files on it
and take it up rather than having to walk it up and down the stairs. >> Okay. Now would you go to the uh next exhibit please? This is marked as A4. This is the elevations of the building. >> That is correct.
>> All right. Walk the board through what you have here. >> Certainly. Um we were trying to um keep the the proportions and the image of the building more residential where you a lot of times you see the commercial buildings have the big flat roofs and you have the parapits that go up. What
we're looking to do here is try to keep it more residential look, keep it a little bit squatter and do a um a hipped roof over the whole building itself. All of it will be done with trusses and then we can create areas where we would make gables on the front so that it actually kind of looks more residential in nature
of the building itself. >> And how will the exterior be finished? >> The exterior is going to be a stucco finish. We would be uh doing probably two different colors. What I'm thinking is the the base like a wood table would be a darker color. uh most likely the earth tones, probably a light beige for
the main building and then a darker uh beige for the lower. Um we may go with the grays as well, but generally in the earth tones and then doing a a band of stucco at the top, both as a a detail right under the eve and then a detail right over the top of the door line itself. So you're actually breaking it
up so it's not just one big solid plane. >> Are there any signs a fixed to the face of the building? Yes, there would be one would be the main um sign that would be the uh the description of what the building is going to be. Uh the sign will meet all of the ordinance requirements. >> Okay. I have no further questions for
this witness. >> I had one other item that I could actually discuss too. Um mentioned about the parking spaces as an issue. Typically in a car dealership where you're actually doing service on a car and you're putting a car on a lift, it is something where you as a customer would actually make an appointment. You
go there and every lift is is anticipated to do five to six cars a day. Whether you're doing brake jobs or lube jobs or tire changes, whatever, they're they're trying to turn over. The customers are not always there. And that is the reason why your ordinance is requiring the parking spaces for that
bay. And in this space, in this project, our bay, although it is a single bay, it is first come, first serve. You come in, you're there for 15 minutes, you're out. It is not something where you're fixing the car and then parking it on the site and need to keep it there until the person comes back to get the car.
>> Thank you. >> Do we have sprinkler systems in the building? >> Yes, we would have a sprinkler. The building does require it. >> Anybody else? >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'd like to >> Oh, go ahead.
>> It's not No, just >> Yeah, I should have I should have raised my hand a little higher. Um, thank you. Just real quick, just uh curiosity. Um, I see a cashier uh space um identified on the plans. I was just wondering if you could let us know since that's kind of like in the interior of the building.
Um, and you might have to get there. I understand a lot of people would navigate to where they're actually getting the service, but just how people would get to that cashier and what that cashier would >> would who they would service essentially. Sure. Um, again, there are two functions of the building. The main functions of the building are the car
wash and the quick loop. So, as if you came to this building as a customer to the car wash, you would pull your car up, you come around the road, and you come to the entrance. You are then directed out of your car and there will be a person that would greet you there, discuss what options you're actually going to take. They would give you a
ticket that would tell you that this is how much it costs and take the ticket to the cashier. You enter into the tunnel. Uh, there is a walkway that is adjacent to the main car wash tunnel. It is customer walkway. There are windows in it so you can actually watch your car go through the car wash. Most people love when their kids come, they're able to
watch it, see the car go through. So we have windows all along. As a customer, again, you walk all the way down and you would exit out this end. But as you're walking out, you're passing the cashier. So you do have to pay for it at that point. There will be a small waiting area and retail here as well. So as a
customer, if you decide you want to get, you know, like a air fresheners or windshield wipers or something, there would be some sales of that. There's also a small waiting area because again the quick loop. As you come into the quick loop as a customer, you are entering in through the side door and into the same tunnel and to the same
walkway. Um, you would wait for your car here. There are windows looking in so you can actually watch them do the work on your vehicle. When the car comes out again, your customer comes out and you pick up the car at the front. >> So you created the old bank that they gave you as a
>> Exactly. that you got to start. >> That is correct. >> Yep. >> It's a much safer way than having the customer in the vehicle in Yes. >> Especially when the machine stops. >> Correct. >> The car washes that I've built in the
past, even if the machines do stop, there are pins that they can pull and move the arms and vehicles would still be able to drive through. quickly though. >> No, but given the circumstances >> sitting there for an hour.
>> Yes. >> Any other questions? >> Mr. Chairman, thank you. I'd like to next call Scott Kennel from Mcdana and Ray. Yes, I do. >> Scott, we have to get you qualified. So,
please first discuss your education and your professional licensing. >> Again, Scott Kennel, ke n with Mcdana and Ray Associates. I have over 40 years of traffic and transportation planning experience. I've testified in over a 100 municipalities
and over 2,000 site plan applications. I've appeared before this board. It's been a number of years. Um, and I've been qualified by New Jersey Superior Court as a traffic expert on multiple land use applications >> and your education. >> I went to New Jersey Institute of
Technology. >> Move to accept. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Thank you. >> Okay, you're up. >> Yes. So, our office prepared a revised traffic report dated December 15, 2025.
And in the report, it summarizes our our the tasks that we're undertaking. Uh first thing is we inventory existing traffic conditions along the site frontage adjacent to the site. We also conducted traffic counts almost a year ago now back in April 25th uh as well as
April 24th during the morning and afternoon peak hours and determined that during the morning peak hours uh peak hour occurs from 8 to 9:00 a.m. with approximately 2,000 vehicles on Route 9 southbound. And no surprise anybody else, the PM is
the heaviest time period and from 4:30 to 5:30 there are approximately uh 3,000 vehicles in the southbound direction on Route 9. As far as far as traffic projections and traffic generation for this site, we consulted the Institute of
Transportation Engineers trip generation manual as well as the NJ DOT trip rates and determined that during the morning peak hour, this site uh would generate with the three types of uses approximately 45 vehicles during the morning peak hour, 70 vehicles during
the weekday PM peak hour, and uh again depending on the type time of year could be as many as 90 vehicles on a Saturday peak hour. The site plan has been designed to provide positive on-site circulation.
Uh I understand the the main issue has to deal with parking and it's my opinion that the way the ordinance is written and the parking requirements for service bays are more geared towards auto repair where vehicles are there for an extended
period and that needs those facilities need places to store the cars as they work on them during the day when customer drops them off in the morning and picks up the vehicle in the afternoon. What's different with this site is with a quick lube, it is serviced as you arrive at the site
and depending on what um you have done to the vehicle, it can be anywhere from 15 to 25 minutes if not uh you know in that time period. But basically people are not parking on site. They're entering the the quick lube bays. they're being serviced and
then when the service is completed they're they're leaving the site. Uh as it relates to the detailing that's by um appointment so that the on-site they can it's a site management issue to ensure that they have adequate um storage and
serve the vehicles that are by um appointment. And again, as was presented earlier with the detailing bays, we have three interior and then there's room for three additional vehicles in front of the bay doors should they be
needed. But taking that into consideration, uh it is my opinion that the 16 stripe parking spaces are adequate to accommodate the employees serving the site and for any there may be a a couple
of detailing vehicles that are maybe stored in those parking spaces. This is different from a traditional auto repair where vehicles are there all day which generally requires more parking storage on site. Uh as presented
by the uh engineer, the site's been designed to provide positive on-site circulation for passenger vehicles as well as delivery vehicles and fire emergency vehicles. And as far as there was a question on stacking,
there is approximately 250 ft from the entry of the tunnel to the access to. I don't recall what exhibit number this one was. >> At the bottom right written in pen. >> Okay. Exhibit A2.
We have approximately 220 ft from the entry to the tunnel to uh where the access is to the um lube bays. But then if you look at the we have
additional storage in my opinion to um the exit of the car wash and the the lube quick lube bays which provides approximately 300 to 320 ft which can accommodate 15 to 16 vehicles
and again that is something that's typically also reviewed by NJ DOT. We currently have submitted an application to NJ DOT. Uh I would expect their comments back in the next 30 days uh based on when it was deemed complete.
And that's there's a summary of uh the traffic impact study submitted to the board. >> And there was a request for discussion about um vehicle turnaround. Uh if you could just address that briefly. And that related to the delivery
vehicles, >> delivery vehicles, fire apparatus, emergency vehicles, >> right? I mean, this site is is going to be, as I mentioned before, is going to be served by uh straight box or box trucks, panel
trucks, not tractor trailers. And the site has been designed where it can accommodate those um those deliveries, which will typically be scheduled during the off peak hours. I have no further questions for this witness.
>> Mr. Kelly, you said that the parking was added to accommodate the employees. How many employees being on site during the day? I'll defer to the applicant, but my understanding it it could be around six
to eight depending on uh how busy the site is. Um but again, not nowhere near uh 16 employees that would take up all the spaces. >> And is there going to be a vehicle, a detailing vehicle? In other words,
besides the employees who are there, any other parking spots going to be dedicated for any long-term vehicles that are going to be used the site for detailing or anything else? >> That's not my understanding is again it's on-site detailing. They're not going to have mobile detailing if that's
what you're getting at a v a truck that would maybe go off site. Uh I'll defer to the applicant, but it's not my understand that's not the case. >> You know, I I asked a bad question. There's not going to be a dedicated vehicle on site there taking up one of those 16 spots, is there? >> Not that I'm aware of.
>> So, you're just going to pretty much have the employees and your testimony is that customers coming in aren't going to need to park because they're either going to be going through the car wash or waiting at one of the lube bays. Correct. >> Correct. There may be infre may be a couple detailing vehicles that are
stored there, but again, it's it's a low number and that's control. >> Detailing. Well, what I'm saying is someone may drop off a vehicle 9:00 a.m. in the morning. It may get done at 10:00 or thereabouts, and they may come back at 12 to pick it
up. It's it's much different from an auto repair where people generally leave their vehicle there all day because they drop it off before work and pick it up after they're coming home from work. In other words, it's not going to be like a typical auto repair shop where you can have an after hours drop off uh area
where you leave the car and >> That's correct. >> Envelope under the door with the keys. That's not going to happen. >> That's my understanding. >> Well, you're offering a detail where you're where you're really doing a deep clean on the car and washing it and waxing it.
>> That's my understanding. Again, the applicant will go more details, but that's the plan here. And the detailing is done by appointment. >> By appointment. Correct. >> So at the end of the day, you wouldn't expect to have and and I'm not I'm not
sure when it closes because there we hear that. But at the end of the day when when the business is shut, you don't expect to have any cars parked in. >> There shouldn't be any cars parked here overnight. Correct. It's not that kind of operation.
>> Any other questions? Mr. Chair again specify what the hours of operation are. But I'm curious as to daytime and weekends what kind of peak hours for for
operation >> for a car wash. I mean generally my experience is is uh you know middle of the day people during take during lunch or whatever go there uh generally during the highest traffic volumes on route 9 is not when
in the weekday week weekday PM is people are usually trying to get home or doing other activities but generally then on Saturday where the volumes are are lower than they are weekday PM. So, uh, again, and it depends when you get a storm and when people want to get their cars
cleaned or obviously in my understanding too is May is a big, uh, peak period because of pollen. People get their cars washed on a more regular basis because it want to get the pollen off the vehicles. So, but people are going to schedule that when it's appropriate for them. And I'm sure most people going to
try to avoid Route 9 during the peak hours to go get the car washed. >> Any other questions? Next call, Mr. Higgins. >> Good evening, >> Mr. >> I do,
>> Mr. Higgins. Uh, to get you qualified as an expert, please discuss with the board how many times you've testified here, your education, and your relationship. >> Yeah, sure. I have a bachelor of science degree in landscape architecture from Ruckers University in 1969. I've been a licensed planner in the
state for approximately 40 years. And I don't know why I'm still doing this, but I am. And uh my license is in good standing. I've testified before this board and the the uh zoning board in Sarville on a number of occasions over the year. has been recognized by
superior courts in five counties as an expert and also by the state supreme court as an expert in the field of planning. >> Second favor. >> Thank you, >> Mr. Higgins. Uh there are two variances that are required for this application.
Can you discuss the >> Actually, now there are three. I found out about another one tonight that I that I wasn't aware of and I know your the port's planner wasn't aware of it either because plans were revised subsequent to his report. >> Um but the two that are in his report
are the parking varants. If you want me to go over it again, I will. But I agree with the prior testimony wholeheartedly. The ordinance and the intent of the ordinance is for automotive repair shops where cars are left on the sites. Sometimes not just for a day, sometime
for days at a time because they're waiting for parts to come so they can finish the repair on the car. And in this case, the car the vehicles for the car wash, the parking spaces is a queuing line where the uh quick lube
it's in and out. So you really don't need a parking space because people will be in the in the quick lube and then waiting if they are waiting they'll be waiting right outside the quick lube for the other one the one in front of them to be finished and to move out. And the
detailing they'll be by appointment and in most instances the car will be dropped off and either be be the a client will wait for it or it'll be dropped off and he'll come back very quickly when the car is done. So, it's not a situation where they're waiting
for parts or uh trying to to do multiple repairs on the on the car. It's just simply a deep cleaning and a a waxing and washing. And so, you don't really need a great deal of parking spaces for that. And if you have six to eight employees, you still have eight parking
spaces available for those few cars that will be necessary for it to be parked for the detailing. Um, so I don't see that as a problem. The other variance is your ordinance requires that a freestanding sign be 1/ half the
required front setback uh from the street. And originally the plan was submitted. It was 25 ft. Your required front setback is 50 ft. And then it was looked at and it was realized that there's so much going on
on Route 9 southbound before the site. Having the sign set back 25 ft would make it much less visible. It was better from a safety standpoint to move it up to 15 ft, which is still a reasonable setback for a freestanding sign on a
major highway. Um, that's that's the reason for it. Not I agree with that reason. I don't see any substantial negative impact to it. Again, there's just a lot going on along Route 9 and the cars are traveling at a fairly high rate of speed. And one thing that was
done and I agree should be done is that the sign is located but I would say is upstream from the driveway before you get to the driveway. So it can be recognized very easily and somebody that wants to go to the site can then recognize the sign, see where the
driveway is and get into the site very safely. >> And then there's the variance for the additional signs. >> But for the additional signs, yes. And again, those are interior signs. They're moreformational and directional to
somebody who is inside the site. They they don't add to sign clutter because they're not readily visible from offsite. They're small. They're 18 square ft uh in area and they provide necessary information for people that
are trying to utilize the facilities and the services on the site. So I think again that's not something that your ordinance anticipate anticipated and it's something that's actually typical of many many different types of drive-thru facilities not just car
washes or quick lubes obviously when you have a restaurant you have menu boards and so on drive-through restaurant that's typical of them about the only drive-thru I can think of that doesn't require such a sign as a drive-through bank
>> does the um application of the zoning ordinance as written prevent or present a uh practical difficulty or an undue hardship. >> I don't think there any undue hardships. I think here we have a C2 situation where the benefits of the granting the variances substantially outweigh the
detriments and I don't think there's any substantial detriment to the ordinance as it's written again because the situations for the variance were not taken into account when the ordinance was written. It's there there's something that's exceptional. It's
outside the scope of what the intent of the ordinance was. So I don't think there's any substantial negative impact on your ordinance. >> I have no other questions for Mr. Higgins. >> None. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Higgins. And
finally, I'd like to call up Mike Carakappa. Okay, Mike, state your name and spell it for the record. >> Michael Caracappa. C A R A C A P. >> And your position with his organization,
Caravan LLC, is what? >> Yeah, Caravan. I have a trucking company up in Elizabeth, New Jersey. We have tractor trailers and we do peers uh containers out of the pier and we don't run 14 states >> and you're the managing member. >> Yes. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. Bring the microphone up to your face. Um there are a number of questions about how this is going to operate. So let's start with the day-to-day operations. When is this business going to be open? >> I'd like to open at 8 in the morning and open till uh and stay open till 8 at night possible.
>> Okay. and >> looking for. >> And how many uh employees do you anticipate? >> And if you could break it down between car wash, lube, and detailing or just all together, that'd be fine. >> During a week, uh during the week, it'll probably be four guys in a car wash. It's totally automated. And on the
weekend, it'll probably be seven guys on the detailing. That's by appointment. So, I could schedule my labor however I got to do it. But I figured two guys daily over there at least. and three guys in the um the oil changing bay. That's with the manager.
>> Okay. So, somewhere between um 8 and 10 employees. >> Yes. >> Okay. And uh you want to be open 8 to 8 7 days a week? >> Yes. >> And uh what type of vehicles will be bringing the material you need to run
your business? >> Well, mostly box trucks. I have a warehouse, so my main warehouse will be receiving this stuff. And I use a straight job to go in there. I couldn't put a trail in there. >> And how big's a straight job, just for the record? >> A 24-footer. >> Okay. And um how often do you expect to
get a 24-footer in to bring supplies? >> Once a week. >> Okay. Now, there's a refuge container. The professionals have testified about it. Who's going to pick that up? And on what frequency? There's a garbage can. Is it the garbage container?
>> Garbage container. Yeah. They usually come uh every other day or every 3 days depending on, you know, how much business we do. >> And that will be contracted by you with a private hauler. Okay. >> Uh >> off hours.
>> Well, they can come at night. They come all different hours. So, I can schedule that. You know, whatever works. Yeah. >> 9:00 in the morning. >> I can schedule that. Yeah. Just if we can get clarity on, Mr. Chairman, what you mean by off hours? Just so we're all talking about the same
thing. >> Off hours when when he's not open. >> Okay. Right. >> You know, I mean, it you've got some constraints getting in and out of there anyway, >> right? >> You know, it makes sense to do it off hours, but I I'd rather see it in the evening rather than 5:00 in the morning.
>> Okay. That's >> Can you schedule that? Be done. Yes. Um, you're going to be taking in oil. >> Oil, >> right? >> Well, they'll they'll be u we're going to hire an oil company that's going to do the the draining of the oil and uh
refilling the oil. >> So, you're going to >> that's one truck that's like a 20 foot truck the guy comes with. >> So, you're going to receive shipments of oil that you will use to put into the vehicles, >> right? >> And then you'll have >> waste oil >> and somebody will come and pick up the waste oil. >> I I use a company up in Elizabeth, New
Jersey. We got a lot of tractor trailers. So, all our oil changes, they come in once a week and they drain all the tanks. >> And so, that will be once a week as well. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Uh, will there be any will? Yeah. Well, yeah. >> Will there be any other chemicals or
products that you're going to be storing on site? Well, yeah. There's uh we the the contractor also does the the guy the guy who's going to help me build it, American Car Wash, he also does all the supplies and the way we set up the basement and everything with the lift
and all of that. Yeah. He'll be coming in. I'm I'm not sure, you know, I don't know how frequent I'll be using, but they deliver drums of uh chemicals, you know, to clean the trucks. >> Those chemicals are for the car wash. >> Yeah. >> And can you describe what kind of chemicals they are? I'm not sure what
they use. Every I explained to him and he says I I know I don't have a detail. I can get you a >> You're talking the soaps that right. >> Are they recycled that are recycled through the system or does the water come in and go out?
>> I'm not sure on that. Honestly, I'm >> It's usually rec. >> No, you're you're talking about Yeah. >> Just so you can be on the record. >> I have done a significant number of these. It's usually reclaimed. The water is reclaimed from the car wash itself, brought back into the equipment room
that we have stored. There will be three tanks in there. Um, which I believe it's osmosis that they use that they pass it through the three tanks and then are able to reuse it. So, ultimately each wash is only using like 15 gallons of water. >> I I paid for that.
Uh, is there any risk of accidental discharge of chemicals or oil or fluids? >> No, I I you know, the the company that I'm using is very reputable. I I I don't know the car wash business. I know trucking. This is a new business for me.
And when I've been around, I went around with the guy and the guy's he knows car washes. So I >> one of the questions that one of the board members asked is there a danger of the oil or anything getting into the soil? >> No. No. There's in anyway these are
contain these are steel containers and they have drain valves and they got gauges on them and then they're in epoxy like what I have in my warehouse. It's a a concrete uh cinder block and all epoxied on the inside so it can be cleaned up. Yeah. There's no seeping
into the concrete or anything. water that seep into the environment also. >> Well, I would ask Kevin to come back. >> Again, the the design of it is as your car is brought into the W into the wash
tunnel itself, there is a pre-bay where they will actually spray it for the tires. There is no real water being sprayed out at that point, but everything is pitched to the drains so water doesn't backflow out. Once you get into the tunnel, the cars are washed through the tunnel and then there is a
blower at the end. The blower blows back into the building. So, all the water is being pushed back into the building. Um, everything is usually pushed into a sump pit that is like a 3x3 sump pit. Water is then collected in there and pumped back to the reclaim system itself. All
the oil that you were referring to in the basement for the oil tanks, all of them are always doublewalled. That's you can't get a single wall tank anymore. Everything's double wall. So, if there is a leak, it leaks into the second tank itself and an alarm is set so you are aware that it is is going off. Um, as Mike has also informed, we probably will
be building a block wall around it as well, so that if anything should spill, it will spill within a contained area that will be epoxied so it is able to be cleaned up and and remediated immediately. So in essence, you have a belt and suspender operation going on
here. You have the double line tank adding in >> correct. >> I wouldn't call it belt suspenders though. >> Mike, final question. Uh with regard to the oil, the chemicals, the soaps, uh whatever you're going to be bringing in, you'll be complying with all of the
state and federal standards as to the handling and storage of those chemicals. >> Yes, without a doubt. We understand it totally from running a warehouse. We have a whole booklet on every chemical we use and yes >> I have no further questions for Mr.
Carrick. >> Anybody have any >> as far as uh the parking goes the employees you mentioned the number I I'm just thinking of other places businesses in the area. Um, very quickly, you have
four bays. You only have two mechanics tech and the unic four bays >> on now on the oil bays. >> The oil bays, three guys can do that. >> Yeah, three guys can do four, four cars.
>> Um, and then the car wash. Um, you're going to have the host at the beginning, right? >> You're going to have a cashier. You're going to have four to seven, >> right, >> of people drying detail or the minor detail at the end of the car wash. Um,
and then detailers, you'll have two to three versus >> two to three. Yeah. That the detailing is that's got to be appointments and I can get labor for that, >> right? I'm talking about employees. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Detailer job two, three most of the time, >> right? >> And then you'll have a manager and
yourself. All right, that's like all of the parking spots just as a just something to consider. But um then you're going to have probably a few cars falling into
the appointments for the detailing, which could a car could potentially sit there from the night before until you know the uh I mean I' I've dropped off my car for detailing the day before I picked it up at the end of the workday.
I'm just thinking out loud. That's all the parking spots that we have. >> It seems like we have every parking spot filled up um before we even get to the deep. >> Yes. >> So, why don't you go again through
how many people you said that you testified that three employees for the lube? Correct. >> For the uh for >> just Yeah. For the oil change. Okay. >> Now, let's walk through the car wash.
>> Right. >> Be a person greeting at the beginning. Is that that's the only role for that person or do they also service help provide the car wash service? >> Well, there everybody's going to be crossrained. Everybody's going to be
cross trained. I got my job. I got everybody cross trained. Now, I went to a car wash, the same size tunnel, and um and I spoke with the owner, and the owner uses he has four guys with the manager that run the car wash during the week. On the weekend, he has seven
people that do it because the volume goes up. So, I mean, we're getting the equipment we're getting is state-of-the-art equipment. Everything everything we explained, he showed me the equipment he had, and they added on more equipment. No,
>> let's let's talk about the parking just to to to the board members question >> related to the labor, >> right? All right. >> So, you said on the weekends, no, on weekdays you're going to have four people in the car wash. >> Four people in the car wash >> and on the weekends you may go up to seven. >> Seven.
>> Okay. So, that can be at a low for the two seven at a high 10. Then plus the detailing, >> right? >> How many people you said you're going to >> two to three people? >> Two to three people. two to three people in the loop, >> right? So that's somewhere between nine
and 13 people. >> Okay. >> And will will all of the people be driving their own vehicle or will some be dropped off at work? >> I I don't know how to answer that. I and uh hopefully it'll be dropped off.
We all come to work together. I'm >> okay. >> Other questions? >> You said 8 to 8 are the operating hours. That's seven days a week. >> That's what I'm looking to do. >> I ask you a question on your business
check. Are you going to have um $20 car wash and then for the month. >> Yes, >> a monthly. >> There's going to be a monthly. They've got I, you know, they got so much stuff out there now. I'm amazed.
>> Yeah, they they're I'm amazed at the techn how they use technology now as far as even attracting customers. You know, they have this technology where they got a geo fence where you drive in the area and they know your car is in the area.
You know, it's it's amazing stuff. And they send coupons to your car to get you in there. You know, >> hopefully you're not looking at the phone while you're driving. >> Well, >> yeah. >> The um testimony of your experts is that
none of the parking spots are really going to be used by customers. >> That's because the services were limited. And my question is u the services are strictly going to be limited in terms of automotive. There would be oil changes, fluid changes,
etc. It's not a situation where you're going to need a part and it's going to take some time and the car's going to have to stay. They're going to have to go to the part deal and part deal is going to come back. >> I I don't want to get involved in repairs like that. Basic oil changes. I mean, if something happens, I mean, we
got to make sure that we have all the filters and everything that we need. I don't want to be I don't want to become a repair shop, you know. And will something happen? I mean, I I'm you know, >> I think I think Mr. Miller's question
is, is it your plan to do more than just fluid changes, oil changes? >> Or in other words, would you agree to limit to certain services that we know would not traditionally require Yes. >> ordering parts or sending a delivery person? >> Yes.
>> Yeah. I'm I'm going to stick with filters and stuff like that. All the basics >> we're operating under a really tight margin on the parkings and and parking issue. I I don't know if you know that area, but you know that wing it abs is supposed to be a turn only lane
>> and people just use it to zip through and cut over at the end. It's challenging at times. So if there's not enough parking in your area and it's spilling out into that road >> that time it's going to be bad for everyone. So, we want to make sure, >> right,
>> uh, on the parking that these customers are not using those parking spots and you're getting you're getting them in and out and they're not waiting for parts if they need a battery or something and you're not taking um appointments overnight for people to leave it overnight and
>> work on the next day and things like that. So, that's why we're asking those questions. >> Yeah. I I don't want chaos in my chaos in my life. I don't want to start doing that. I >> So just just to clarify the record because this was a a question that Councilman Zaski had also raised. So
you're willing to agree that this is going to be a car wash, nothing more, >> an oil change, fluid change, oil filter change, windshield wiper change place, not a repair shop, and a detailing place that's done by appointment. >> Yes.
>> And that's the limit of what you're going to do here. Joe, my only other issue is in terms of emergency vehicles, there's no other way to get access other than Route 9. In other words, there's no no way get access point of party if there was an
So, I'm trying to think if if it's like 4:30 on a Friday and a fire truck's got to get there. The traffic on Route 9 in that area is horrendous. Well, I think that there's the possibility uh to
create some kind of depressed curbing uh along Carney if there was a need for a fire apparatus to get into the site because it couldn't get on to Route 9 because I'm aware that when you go back to Carney Road, there's the bypass
behind the DOT yard that the fire company uses so that if there was a need in a traffic jam, there could be some type of um like depressed curbing and and and uh permeable pavers that would
allow a fire apparatus in if that's what the board's looking for. >> Are you in agreement with that? >> Yeah, we would we would do that. >> Anybody else have any questions? If not, we'll
have a seat that >> motion to open up the public. All in favor, when you come up, tell me where you live and give me your name and spell your name. >> Good evening.
>> Hi, good evening. Uh, my name is Barbara Murphy. I live at and own 39 Carney Road, um, which is right towards the back of the property. Um, so a couple things. Uh, so first of all, happy that it's going to be developed. Definitely it's been empty for a long time. Um,
Corny Road historically has drainage problems. Um, the report that I viewed said the existing drainage pattern drains from west to east towards Route 9. It would come from the back of the
property towards the front. And that's not our experience. So, I have some pictures if you want to. Oh, okay. Oh, sorry. I do. >> Okay.
You might have to share. You can actually >> So, these are all photos I just pulled out of my camera roll of doring Okay. Um, they're basically taken from all of the same place on Carney Road, kind of in front of my property, uh,
looking out towards the empty lot and towards Route 9. So, the very long storm water management plan in summary says that the lot drains from west to east.
And if that was the case, I don't see how we have water on Carney Road all the time. Carney Road has historically had drainage issues. So obviously the concern is developing this property and paving and building a
building is going to make it even worse. So, we wanted to go on record to say this is an issue and it could become more of an issue. Does anybody have any questions about the photos like where they are?
>> Okay, good. >> This happen this time of year or all time? all times of year. You'll see the last photo was December and the front one's Dece March of 24. That was a really, really hard rain. >> Oh, sure. Sorry.
>> You could see how flooded that was. That day was completely flooded. my whole driveway and backyard as well. >> We've spoken to the road department several times. You could see I left one of the pictures in there of the storm sewer. This one you could see it's above
the grade of the road. You know, like I've said to him, I'm not an engineer, but the water's not going to go up and over that. >> You know, that's then starting the way it is now. >> Right. So, for the site plan, they have that
retention area. I don't know what it's officially called towards the front of the property when the back of the property by the street floods all the time. I don't I don't see storm water flowing to that just based on my lived
experience. I've lived >> the storm water retention for his property. >> That's that's to keep everything that have on his property bonded. So it should run off to you, >> right? >> We're considered about
Is the water up your way going to run onto his property or it's even a bigger property? >> I don't think it's going to run anywhere. I think it's just going to sit there. >> That site's going to have to be slow. Everything's going to have to be
the water's going to have to drain >> on that property. It's going to have to slope where the retention is. So, is that going to affect >> your end will be the high end. The low end will be down towards the line when they when they regra the property.
>> So you don't see any additional flooding on the street? Well, we'll be able to tell because we have pictures. >> I don't think that there's going to be flooding as a project. I think I don't think it's going to alleviate your problem. >> I don't I don't think it's problem.
As far as you're concerned, you're you're happy to see it being developed. >> I am. But >> I just don't want it to be made worse >> question. Looks like they have a significant road there. So everything's contained on
the property. Picture you showed us it's a road issue. >> Structure sits on that a road a county road. >> It's a burrow of cereal road. That's what we pay our property taxes for.
We're never on the list. My family has lived on this property for seven generations. >> Wow. >> My mom, who passed away in 1984, was constantly on the phone to the road department constantly. I don't have her fight. I just keep
taking pictures, >> right? >> Look at it now that we're doing major develop, >> right? >> Anybody else have any questions? >> And then I had just one other thing. Um,
we're grateful that Carney Road is not planned as access to this. That's that's wonderful because you could see the road. It's not a typical burrow road where you could park on both sides and have street bypass access. It's it's a
narrower road. Um, the concern with the parking is if they do fill their 16 spots, say they have 20 employees one day, those four employees are going to be parking on Carney Road. There's no other place for them to park but on
Carney Road. And if we have cars parked along that road, two cars can't pass each other. Somebody's always going to be waiting. under this design of giving people more property on road. My suggestion to you is to ask for no parking.
>> And who does that? >> Parking by permit only. Like maybe if I wanted to park in front of my house, I could. >> That could be that could be part of the resolution. We could ask them parking by permit on current party road.
Do you be uh admissible to that? Yes. >> Okay, that solves that. >> You like that? >> I do like that. Thank you. >> And then the last thing that you just discussed about a depressed curve for emergency vehicle access, as long as
that's not something obvious where someone thinks they could come onto Carne Road and cut into the car wash. where they Washington where they where they put like John said
brick in the ground and they put chain link an actual two post and a chain >> that a an emergency vehicle Okay. >> Okay. All right. Perfect.
>> Okay. >> Anybody else that would like to speak? >> Hi, how are you? >> I'm good. How are you? My name is Jonathan McCarski. I live at 33 Kernney Road. >> I do.
>> I have a few more additional pictures if you guys want to pass it around. >> And the primary concern is I would like to second Barbara's comments about the flooding. Um very happy to see that they do have plans for something to go in that space as well. um just a little
concerned that that area with the history. I didn't know it went back down to her parents and everything like that, but I've lived there since 2018 and it's there's a bit of a water problem. Um I'm going to keep my witty comments about the DOT to myself because I know you
guys are waiting for permission even though they have a few things to fix on their end. my own personal thoughts over there, but they just e recently opened up a brook slashditch, whatever you want to call it, um, for their water. The DOT is a little higher than everybody else.
When I first moved in there, the ditch slashbrook was not in use. Um, we had a bit of an incident with a supervisor that took over, changed a bit of landscaping, zoning with Andy Machowski from Saraveville, with Jeff from CME and
a few other people were involved back in 2022, 2023. So now they ended up using that brook ditch, whatever they did to come from the DOT to kind of go down and that ends up going to Kernney Road. So
again, just seconding the flooding issue with water control, flash floods, there's nothing you could do about that and that area gets wiped out. Um, so just concerning with like any structure going up, if the wetlands and everything like that could be, you know, we could
cross our tees, dot our eyes, make sure that we can try to control it any best way we can to not inconvenience the taxpaying residents of that area. Anybody else have? >> I So right now as the property sits
there is no BM and that water from that property is just running up the >> from the DOT. A lot of that water is from the DOT. Yeah. >> When that BM gets put in it's going to alleviate a little bit of your problem. We hope >> we hope. Yeah. >> So then problem just raising awareness of the
ongoing problem that goes back to years and years. >> Problem is work on the problem. solve one of your problems. Not going to solve in the town to try to get something. >> Yeah, they were working on making a pipe to have people measure, but
not holding my breath. >> Sorry about that. Anyone else like to speak? >> Anybody like to speak in the public? Come on up. >> How are you tonight? >> All right. Dino Grimmaldi, 27 Carney Road.
>> I do um I agree with everybody with the parking issues. Um they could say, you know, you know, we're going to put permits now. It's going to be a cost to us. Um I just feel like a permit that you'll be able
>> whatever town I lived in, we had permits and a resident always had to pay. I lived in Jersey City. I lived in Bayon. There is no fee in here at zero. >> Okay. I mean, well, I mean, that could always change. >> I'm learning something out there, though, >> right? Um I mean, they could say, you
know, we're not going to do it, but they have at least 10 people working there, maybe more on the weekend. It's going to be abused and Corny Road is going to be parked on and it's going to be an issue for us. >> Well, if we make it part of the condition that that it's only for, you
know, that's the best that we can do and then give the appliances and they'll come out and address more. You can sit there and guys do that throughout. >> Also, the issue um you know they say
that you're going to go through and it's going to be contained inside. I don't know. Everybody's gone to a car wash. It all has spillage. There's all chemicals. Armor all you can go to route 35 car wash in southboy the one in Valvalene on route 9 this is going to spill on route 9 and this is going to be a hazardous
conditions for any car driving on the road >> I don't know if the state of New York car wash is going to leak seems that contain everything that they >> I mean if you go to south boy car wash
you can see it leak onto Route 35 >> I don't have pictures right now I wasn't prepared for this. I just learned from some neighbors about this meeting, so I wasn't prepared for all this. >> Well, apples and apples, we can't we can't judge something that's going on 35
going on here. >> You're saying you're going to slope it. So, it's going to go down to Route 9. >> Yeah, but it's going to be caught before it gets to Route 9. >> I mean, that's going to catch everything and reuse the water. >> Well, they armor all the cars outside.
That's going to spill out. >> Say that again. the armor roll of cars outside of the gouache base and that spill that will spill out. >> Uh I don't think that that's going to be allowed to do anything outside of the
bay other than the back fac. He's talking about when they when they do the tires they do it as after the drying and >> that's the key that's in the key where they get >> what he's talking about also is car wash
over here every night see the trail from the car wash hallway in front of the the mall from the people leaving there that's the armor >> correct >> that's what he's talking about and I
don't know anything that can be about that. >> Yeah, I'm not I'm not aware of that. >> Maybe just the engineer can talk a little bit further, but it doesn't appear that that's a straight run right out. Is that correct, Mr. Wesk? I mean,
you're coming and it's >> right >> then again, >> right? Because I know at Posh it's a it's a straight run right down the hill. In this particular case, it looks like >> uh there's somewhat of a pathway before any of that residual, >> right?
definitely won't be as extreme as >> I know what you're talking >> right >> I mean you know the turn on Corny Road is is hazardous it's it's like all right prepare you know >> I look at this as a little bigger than posh but it's in around the same area
and you're going to have this one you have some better issues because the exit is not right on from the distance so >> and I don't recall there being an issue a safety issue traveling on by pos because of any runoff under like more
slippery. So that's just how I compare it to >> I mean that's fine. It could be taken over with the D if it does get put up. That's fine. >> But we are trying to work through the parts issue. We understand the issue on
carne. We get it. We trying to help you guys out on that front. We want to make sure that there's emergency access into there. Some of these flooding issues, I don't know. Maybe they'll improve when they >> I've just seen it in the recent storms
in the summer and it's it's pretty bad. >> Anybody else like to speak on this issue? >> Anybody else like to speak on this issue before I close it? Anybody else last time? Make a motion to close the public portion.
>> Second. All in favor? >> Misses. Would you like to sum up? >> Um, if I may, I have some uh responses to the concerns if you'd like. Okay. So, I'd like to have my engineer come up uh
to talk about the drainage because I think it's an interesting point and a valid concern. But would you please describe for the board the water that is generated the runoff from this site where does it go? How is it captured?
>> The runoff from the site is captured on site to the proposed infiltration basin. Everything is graded to inlets and collected and um brought into the infiltration basin. And in terms of Carney Road, we do have a couple inlets
that were provided that are lower than the road and uh that ultimately also goes to our infiltration basin. >> So there's drainage that's being installed on Carney Road that's going to go to the infiltration basin.
>> It is within the the rightway dedication. Um we provide a couple inlets and that is collecting runoff um from that from the burm and if water were to pond um
pond from then miss the inlets it is likely that they would c be captured in the uh depressed uh inlets. >> So I'm talking about the existing inlets. If they miss the existing inlets they're likely being caught in our proposed inlets. So, where are the
proposed inlets on this plan? >> Approximately one here along the south side of the basin, one here near the corner and one about here between the trees
>> and they drain Carney Road. Uh they could I don't have the drainage area map with me, but they certainly will be collecting more water from Carney Road. >> Okay. But the water that is that lands on the parking lot on the drive aisle on the roof of the building, all of that
drains to the detention basin that's in the front left corner there. >> Correct. >> And none of it drains out onto Carne Road. >> Correct. >> Okay. Um, that was one concern. The other concern,
um, Mr. Chairman, was about the parking. And if you could, um, if you look on the front, there's a green space in front of the building. If the board wishes, that is big enough to add four parking
spaces. bank. >> We could bank them. They would be there if they would need. We could have them. >> Would it be more beneficial to put put them in while it's being built
privately? >> We can certainly do that. It's really we're we're offering that to the board if the board would feel more comfortable >> that create any variances or waiverss. No, it just it gets us closer to the >> I understand.
>> Yeah. Yeah. But does it doesn't create any other issues. Yeah. >> There might just have to be some >> something like that. Would you like to see it done before? I would >> I would. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And then we'd like to see that done.
>> Then that will be that will be added. And then the final issue was about the concern of whatever is being done in the car wash aisle. I'd like to have our architect come up who's an expert on car washes. There was a concern about
Armorall being applied to tires. He can address that. >> Um I the outside portion I believe after the car is dried and brought outside they do spray the armmoral on the bottom. The car should be dry at that point. So it is only the arm roll that is being sprayed on the tires. But in
general, all of the washing of the vehicle is done inside. So when you first enter the tunnel, they actually spray it with a soap on the car. Tires all get washed at the very front entrance of the tunnel. As it goes through the tunnel, there is actually depending upon which pieces of equipment
they get, there is one that actually just rolls out and rubs the tires specific. So there is that is all the cleaning of the tire is done in the tunnel. The armor roll is only applied after it comes out. It is just sprayed onto the tire after it is done just to make the tire look shiny.
>> If there are no further questions and I could sum up. >> I have one question. >> So from the time the car turn cars turn into the um into the car like they're going around to the back to enter the car wash, right? How many how many cars do you think that they can fit in line
to come like around to the back approximately >> that how long a queue would be? >> Yeah. How many cars from the time they turn in to where they would go to around that where the arrows are to come in to enter >> all the way out towards Route 9 or to
the to this location? >> They're going to enter right there. Right at the bottom. >> Correct. >> Yep. So if you were to use the entire distance out to the Route 9 entry, you could accommodate approximately 18 vehicles. We don't expect that. And
again, these car wash are set up where if there is increased demand, they can increase the speed >> to process the vehicles. >> Okay. All right. That that's a good amount. >> Okay. >> If there are no other questions, Mr. Chairman, in summation,
>> in in summation, uh you've heard testimony from the engineer who's designed a site plan, the architect who's designed the architectural renderings, our traffic expert, and uh the owner of the property, and our planner. You have a conforming permitted
use uh in the B3 highway zone. you have a need for uh three variances in terms of the sign location, the number of signs and the parking. I think the the testimony from the planner is that it meets all of the criteria for granting a
variance on those basis. Uh there are no other deviations uh to this otherwise conforming application and on that basis on the testimony of the professionals and Mr. to carry Kappa. I would ask the board to favorably approve this with the
conditions that the engineer agreed to that are laid out in your approval review letters from your engineer from Morgan Engineering and from >> Acuity. >> Correct. Correct. >> Wash and limited sale.
We'll put a pressing on fire satisfaction here garbage will pick up in evening hours
and there will be more space. That's correct. I would just ask one clarification. Uh you use the language uh fluids. Uh I just don't want somebody to read this a year from now saying well
you you can't change air filters, you can't change wiper blades. >> Okay, that was the only concern. request. >> We can make that request up to the council to decide on what to do with that.
testimony. What's your chairman? I'd like to make a motion to approve the application with the stipulations that were just made. Um I believe that the applicant has satisfied
the um the standard for the granting of the parking variance. I I take the experts testimony that the uh parking spaces and I'm grateful that they're adding the additional four that they'll be sufficient for the proposed use. Um
and uh I I'm thankful for the additional stipulations they made and I I do hope and believe that the the additional trees and greenscape on this property will also help the neighbors with their drainage issues on Carne. So, with all
of that, uh, I I I make a motion to approve the application. >> Do I have a second? >> I have a second. Do I have anybody that opposed? >> We'll do a roll call. >> Yeah. >> Uh, Mr. Kandell, >> yes. >> Miss Lman, >> yes. >> Mr. Muller, >> yes. >> Mr. Shaw, >> yes.
>> Mr. Sataka, yes. >> Mr. Velo, >> Mr. Williams, yes. >> Councilman Zowski, >> yes. >> Chairman Ty, >> yes. And thank you for being >> Thank you. Thank you, Inspector. >> Okay. Um, next on the agenda, old
business, due business, administrative matters. Our next meeting is February 4th, 2026. Um, we currently do not have any applications um for that evening, but um I would keep it open. There might be something from the council coming forward. Okay. Um let's open take a motion to open to the
public. >> So move. Anybody in the public like to speak? Anybody in the public like to speak? >> Motion to close. >> Thank you. speaker. Thank