Stand to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands. One nation under God, indivisible. August, 2025. Yes, chairman. It has Can I have a roll call, please?
Mr. Kandell here. Miss Lman, Mr. Müller here, Mr. Shaw, Miss Sataka, Mr. Veosen, Mr. Williams here, Councilman Zabrowski, Chairman Thai here. We have a quorum.
Oralization of re resolution. None this evening. Can I have a motion to accept the minutes from the last meeting? We don't have any minutes this meeting. Okay. Communication agenda. None this evening. Okay. Site plan subdivision. We have one application number uh
PB25-01 Tanon Auto Services include um Inc. Preliminary and final site plan 2069 Highway 35 South Amboy block 428 lots 2 2.01
good evening Mr. chair, board members, board professionals, and public Kenneth Pap of the firm Hyelurn Pap. On behalf of your applicant this evening, if I before we begin a substantive presentation, I'd ask if your either councelor or secretary could confirm
receipt of our notices, confirm that the board has jurisdiction of the application, and that we can proceed. Thank you, sir. That's very kind. This is an application to repurpose an existing building and an existing site.
I think that the all of you have more complete understanding of some of the activities that took place on this property over the last decade. Our clients purchased the property in November of 2024. They abandoned the prior use of the
property and the repurposing that they're asking of this board is to use the buildings on the property for the maintenance of their bus fleet. Not the sto it. It's not a bus depot. It's not a major repair facility. It's a building
where they would maintain a fleet of buses that they um operate from another site. The presentation will be made briefly by the Mr. Wong who is the tenant. He is tenant auto. I'm going to
ask that he at the beginning of the presentation describe what his business is, the hours of operation that he proposes, the number of employees, and certain restrictions on his activities that were discussed during the last nine months with Mr. Mashansky. Not that Mr.
Mashansky gave anything that said you must do this, but there were restrictions that were suggested and we're going to place that on the record. And then Kiara Nissen is here. She is a professional engineer responsible for the presentation of the plans to you.
And after we go through her credentials, I'll ask her that she assist in the presentation of the site plan and go through your staff reports. I'd be remiss if I didn't identify to you the property owner 2069 Property LLC is represented by Miss Ling Yang. She is
here as the property owner's represent representative. She is here out of respect for the board. She has no testimony, but I ask that she appear before you. And Mr. Wong, who is here, is the gentleman whose business would be operated from the property, which would
be the bus bus maintenance. And with your permission, Mr. Chair, I would begin by calling Mr. Wong, and we have a series of short questions to go through so that the uh nature of his business becomes part of the record. That's acceptable. Thank you. Mr. Wong, if you
could come forward. You're going to be asked to be sworn in. So you they're going to ask that you raise your right hand and they're going to swear you in to confirm that you're they're going to tell the truth. Okay. Yes. Yes.
If you could Oh, thank you. Okay. Thank you. Um, just one moment. I'm gonna ask if you could are are you are the owner of Tenon Auto Service? Yes. That's your business. Yes.
Oh, surely. They would like your full name on the record. Yeah. My name is Jung Rang Wong. Uh, the first name Jung Rong Z H E N G R O N G last name Wong W A N G
Let me just You got it. You're good. Okay. Very good. Mr. Wong, your tenant auto service come in is the name of your business, correct? Yes. And that what is that business operation? What what will it do at this property? Yeah, we are doing the the
uh the maintenance of our bus fleet. Do you provide any maintenance services for anyone other than your own buses? No. This would not be a business that's open to the general public. No. No. What type of maintenance do you do on
buses? Do you do major repairs? What is it that we doing the routine maintenance? No major repairs. light bulb, tires, um, windshield wipers, that type of general maintenance.
Will you agree, and if you agree, this would become part of the record. Will you agree that all of the services that you perform on the buses will be inside the building? No services outside of the building. Yes, that's an important representation. And
I know that neighbors are going to be very concerned that you do not do any act outdoor activities. Do you have established hours of business business hours that you would like to run your business? Uh yes, we are running um mon right now Monday to
Friday 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 pm. But uh we would like to attend a permission to have a hour on Saturday if necessary from 8:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. Not all not
every Saturday, but just in just in case just uh if necessary. 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. are hours of operation. You're comfortable with those being restrictions on your business? Uh, yes. The but the employee may arrive
earlier than 8:00 a.m. Sometimes 7 a.m., but we will not start working before 8:00 a.m. How many workers do you intend to have at the site? Uh, we not we have five. Five. Would that include the administrative people, people in the
business office as well as the mechanics? Uh, yes. That's you're comfortable that that's the number that you need to operate your business uh for now. Yes. Mr. Wong told me that five was the number. I said five is a very small number. I'm going to ask the board for a
little bit of opportunity of growth of of two additional employees. They don't exist at this time, but we're asking that you consider a maximum number of employees of seven. No work on Sundays? No. Closed on Sundays?
Yes. There's a single family home on the property. It's in the front of the property. Are you prepared to abandon the use of that as a single family home? Uh yes. And I believe that the representations that were made in the application is that that would be storage of parts for
your maintenance and on the second floor you would like to have an office. Yes. Correct. All the office and the storage would not be separate businesses. It would be part of your business. Yes. And I think the last question I have is will there be any other businesses on the property?
No, just the business that you've described to the board. Yes. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Those were the questions that I asked Mr. Wong to be prepared to begin the hearing. He is available to you and board members now
and or at any time during the evening. Just one chairman. Uh Mr. Mr. Wong, what size is your bus fleet? Uh it's a coach bus. I I mean in terms of how many buses? 15. 15 buses. Thank you. How big are they?
Uh it's uh 45 45. So does that mean that there'll be a maximum of at any one time of 15 buses? No more, no less. 10. 10. Thank you. But uh yeah, only no more than 10 in the Yeah.
Mr. Wong, where is your bus depot? Where the bus is? Yes. Uh, the bus depot is in uh Queens and Brooklyn. Excuse me. When you say uh repairs, could you elaborate more? What about oil
changes uh where to the environment that it drips? Were you doing oil changes and spark plugs and stuff like that? Not yet. Inside the building? Yes. Okay then. Thank you, Mr. Wong. Thank you.
Hi. Thank you very much, Mr. Wong. You need to stay through the whole Sure. Very good. Thanks. The professional witness is Kiara Nissen. And if we could have Miss Nissen sworn. will share with you her
credentials and we'll make a substantive presentation of the proposed revisions to the site. I do. Miss Nissen, you take a few moments to share with all your education and your professional lensure.
Yes. K I E R A N as in Nancy I S S E N. I received a bachelor's of science in civil engineering from NGIT in 2018. I received a master's of
engineering in civil engineering from Stevens Institute of Technology in 2020. and I received my uh PhD in civil engineering from Stevens Institute of Technology in 2023. And Miss Nissen,
what licenses do you hold? I have a professional engineers license in the state of New Jersey. Is your license in good standing tonight? Yes. Mr. Chair and board members, may I ask that you accept Miss Nissen as an expert engineer? Motion to accept.
Second. All in favor? I ahead. Thank you. I'd ask that the first thing that you do is describe identify the exhibits that you intend to rely upon for your presentation and then we'll go through some of the outline.
I have two exhibits tonight. I have our landscape plan. That is sheet four of our submitted site plan set. And I just have an aerial exhibit of the site. The picture was taken or the aerial was taken in March on March 6,
2025. So this is a recent picture just showing the surrounding area. Counselor, the first exhibit is part of the set. It's been colorized, but it's part of the set. Do we mark it? Yes, colorized. I would mark it.
So A1, is that acceptable? So A1 is the colorized landscape sheet. Which sheet is it? sheet four. And if you could read off the the last revision date, July 22nd, 2025. Thank you. And the second one is not
part of a set. It's an exhibit that was prepared for the presentation. What is the date of that aerial photograph? August 6th, 2025. And there's some yellow lines that have been added. Is that those yellow lines are were added by your office to identify
the perimeter of the client's property? Yes. Council A2, I look to you to use the exhibits. If you could begin describe the property generally, describe the its location and and so I'm going to say the background
information before we get to the substance of the site. The property is located on the southbound side of New Jersey Route 35. It is bounded by uh commercial properties to the north and residential
properties to the south. It is block 428 lots 1 2 and 2.01. It is uh approximately 1.98 acres. And what physical improvements are on
the property today? There is a 2 and a halftory residential building fronting the site. There is a shed and there is a onestory shop building.
You could just I think there's there's some improvements that are I'll call theial remnants of the of the landscape business including some bins and other improvements on the site all of which are proposed to be removed. Yes, there are a few existing bins to the uh rear
of the property, some existing pavement, some existing gravel. Um all of which except some of the gravel is proposed to be removed. Okay. And if very simply, I I described what our client's purpose is, but lawyers
can't testify. So if you would describe what our client's purposes are of re for the this property. The clients are asking to repurpose the existing site. They are ask they are planning to remove the existing bins as they're no longer
needed and to repurpose the site as this bus maintenance business. They are also proposing to reveate the front yard buffers and increase the buffer to the residential properties to the south and reduce the overall
impervious area by almost 7,000 square ft. Before we came before the this board and over the last year, we have been working with other governmental agencies. Um, Miss Nissen's firm secured an a letter
of no interest from the New Jersey Department of Transportation and that is part of what we submitted. And we also received a letter from the county stating that they this is exempt. They have no requirements. It's our understanding that those are the outside agency requirements.
You could I think there were certain variances that were previously granted for the site. Um, I think we have we we have seven square feet of asphalt for which we would be asking for a variance. Before the hearing, Miss Niss and I looked at it.
The seven square feet of asphalt is just we're going to remove that. We just simply don't need it. So, no new variance, but if you could just give the what variances were previously granted for the buildings that are on the site and if you could confirm no exacerbation
of any of those. There was a an existing variance from the front yard setback requirement as it relates to this existing garage that 25 ft is required 21.6 ft was provided that was from a zoning board approval from March 25th,
2001. There was an also a variance from providing a 50-foot buffer to residential zones which was granted from a zoning board approval on March 25th, 2001 that was to the rear of the property to this farmland
and we have no new or exacerbated variance relief as part of what we're asking this board to consider. No, I'm gonna ask if you could uh let's go through elements of a site planning
systematically grading. What grading, if any, of the site is required to accommodate what our client is asking of the board. We are not proposing any changes to the existing grade. The grading as is is functional and
stable. Correct. storm water management. It's my understanding that there is a storm water system in place that was built as part of a prior approval. If you could briefly describe that storm water system and advise if it continues to be
adequate for the proposed use of the site. There is an existing subsurface infiltration basin approximately here. It is shown on the uh site plan on our existing conditions plan and
it's shown here as where we are not vegetating. It is uh operating as f as as expected that we have looked at it after rainstorms and it seems there's no accumulation of water. The site is
grading towards that area. So it is our conclusion that it is operating as designed. You did make the comment that no grading is required, but I know that during our review of the site, we acknowledged that there was some water leaving our site
that was entering our neighbors properties. I think we figured out that there was some blockage of the drainage. um are have on this plan that's being presented to the board, can you state that all of the storm water that is generated by our site is now directed to
the catch basins into that drainage system? Yes. There's a landscaping element that's on the plan that you're presenting. I'd like to go right to the landscaping just a little out of sequence. the landscaping that there was a landscape contractor here. There was a
land as you are aware that landscape contractor may not have run the facility in a way that anyone would be proud. The land there was materials that were planted that shouldn't have been planted. There were materials that were planted that died. There were materials that were removed from the site. We have
a landscaping plan that we'd like to offer to you as the board and the burrow and also to our neighbors. There's an emphasis of landscaping along the common B boundary where we have residential neighbors. Um there's an increase from 50 feet to 100 feet. Uh your ordinance
says 50. We Miss Nissen and her team found a way to get it uh up to 100 ft. If you could just take us through the landscaping begin with the southern border and then take us all the way around up to Route 35. We are proposing a significant amount of
plantings along the southern border. All as much as we can fit in this uh strip of our property line without going into the DOT right ofway. These are mostly evergreen trees. We are proposing six
new ornamental trees, 147 evergreen trees, and 30 shrubs. The shrubs are to help create the understory so you can see a wall of green. Like Ken said, the buffer to the residential property,
uh, we increased from 50 ft to 100 ft and vegetating as much as we can while avoiding planting on the existing sanitary sewer easement that goes through the property as well as the subsurface infiltration basin.
The plants that we are proposing include green giant abberiety, uh, Colorado spruce, American holly, and the eastern red cedar, as well as a couple others. In addition, we are proposing
plants along the frontage of the property to soften the view from the highway. There is on our client's property a fence that appears to be associated with one one of our neighbors. We have no objection to that fence being on our
property. And it's my understanding from talking to that gentleman that in the past a prior property owner may have given him authority to put the fence on our client's property. And the fence is there for security purposes to keep people who might have been doing untored
things in the neighborhood out of the neighborhood. We have no objection to the fence continuing. But I wanted to make a point because the fence is on our property and because the other side of the fence, although it's on our client's property, is used as part of our neighbors. We didn't landscape it. We
could take the fence down. We could replace the fence. We could landscape on the other side of the fence. Whatever our neighbor prefers, we can do. Um, but we did leave the fence that's there in place. Um, and we landscaped around it
on our side only. But we with permission, we would never ask to go on someone's property, but with permission, we could go on theirs to do landscaping there if it was requested. Across the rear of the property, if you could just What's behind the property?
What's what to the west? What's what's back there? that is farmland and and if you could describe the topography from our site to what's behind us right now everything on site grades
towards this system. So there's no uh water that would be leaving our property towards that uh rear. And the landscaping that you have is intended to be a buffer but we we have no no one living back there. Correct. And it's my understanding that
there's some substantial wetlands back there. If we could talk about the lighting, the existing lighting and what our client is proposing for lighting. This is one of the waiverss we are requesting. Uh from the requirements of
the bureau for lighting, we are proposed to illuminate the shop building. We have one building on the one light on the building and one pole near the entrance. The pole near the entrance is for anyone turning into the property.
And the light on the building is to help illuminate the work area that we are sensitive to any concerns from the neighbors. So we do not want to illuminate this whole area when all of the work is going to be done in this
building. And the real concern is for the employees coming in and out. And we would be most willing to turn lights off after the employees leave the site unless we were asked to leave them on for security purposes. I think that
we chose a 3000 Kelvin a soft light. Correct. 3000 Kelvin LED light that could be adjusted. Correct. That's what's a part of your design. Correct. trash and recyclable collections and storage. Where would that be?
There is an existing concrete pad in the northwest corner of the site where refu is stored. It is currently picked up by private hauler and that will be continued. And signage. Is there any new signage that
our client has asked for? There's no proposed new signage. Uh we have proposed two numbers on the two-story building to ensure emergency vehicles can find the property. So the installation of numerals on the building, but there's no our client has
no requirement of of of signin. So we're not asking the board for signinance. If you could the a summary of what we just went through just what are the from your perspective as the design engineer what do you see the improvements to the
site and to the community from what we're what's being offered? There will be improvements to the traveling public. The site will appear cleaned up and there will be improved visuals from Route 35 and in this jug
handle with the in increase in plantings as well as increases improvements to the residential properties. The additional landscaping will improve and enhance the existing vegetation and prop provide more than the required
buffering. And as this is a low intensity use, there will be a reduction in traffic to the prior use. H as well as that decrease in impervious surface. So there will be less storm water runoff off this site.
From working with the burough professionals and from talking with some of the neighbors, we learned that the prior occupant, owner occupant created a driveway il apparently illegally without
any approvals. And that driveway came out, if you could just show where that driveway came out. Came out on that thin stem of land. Um there's no there was no DOT permit. There was no permission from the burrow and that activity amongst
other things damaged landscaping that was in that area. As Ms. Nissen has shown that area is proposed to be rellandscaped edge to edge. We were also asked and I don't recall who gave the question but I
memorialized it that we put a restrictive covenant on our property that we record with the county clerk that we have no right of access through that portion of the property so that in perpetuity that activity that happened
improperly cannot happen again. We would have no objection to working with your council to prepare an appropriate restrictive covenant so that does not happen again. We're also, it was also brought to our attention that prior property owners
introduced materials on the site and we were it was told that they believe that the materials that were introduced included millings. Our engineers went out to the site. They didn't they didn't drill. They went out and they coured 12 to 18 inches and did
not find millings. But if there are millings where there's landscaping, it would not be appropriate. So our commitment to the board is that wherever landscaping is proposed, we will excavate any material that is not consistent with healthy plants and
replace that materials in those areas. We know other than the information from the neighbors, we do not have firsthand knowledge of that. But the commitment is when we're landscaping as we're showing, we'll make certain that the soils that are not consistent with growth are
removed. And I look to you, Mr. Chair, and board as to how that would be monitored. I have suspect it would either be your engineer plan or one of the burrow professionals so that that could be confirmed. I think Miss Nason that we have gone through the elements of a site plan and
as I promised before we move to the next phase, is there anything that I missed that you would like to add? Yes, I'd just like to add that we have a few waiverss specifically from the to keep the site in accordance with what was
previously approved. a waiver from providing hairpin striping for all parking spaces and from providing all parking lots and loading area with concrete or Belgian block curbing and from providing sidewalk throughout the site and along the frontage that this is
largely existing the largely maintaining the existing use of the property and Um and just that we are restriping the parking spaces for a total of 12 parking
spaces. We have no guests. We have no visitors. We have no customers. We have five employees and I've asked you to allow that to grow to seven. So the 12 parking stalls should be much more than we would we would need. And as I indicated, the
maximum number of buses that would be stored on the site would be 10. And I don't think we pointed to where the bus storage is proposed. Let's do that. That's back here. So on the other side of the landscape area is where the bus storage is
proposed. You had the opportunity to review the staff reports that were generated by the board's professionals. Cor Yes. I'm sorry, I missed your question. Okay. Have you had the opportunity to review the professional staff reports generated by the engineering planner for the
burough? Yes. And are there any elements in those plans any any requested by the professionals that you cannot do or can you comfortably advise the board and the professionals that you can and will address their technical requirements?
We can and will address the technical requirements. Okay. We also had the benefit of convening with your engineer to go over his report to get a more complete understanding of that. So that that's not a hollow statement. That's a statement that's made after reviewing a staff report and
together with Mr. Wilder. Mr. Chairman, that is your applicant's direct presentation. We are available for examination and um what welcome where you take us next.
Um thank you. I think you uh there we go. That's better. Um I think you touched on pretty much every question in my report and I I thank you for that. Um one quick uh question clarification. Since there's oil changes and and other types of maintenance
occurring in the building, could you please uh briefly describe what type of flooring is the flooring sealed? It's the interior. It's a concrete floor. Um we can confirm with I guess it would be Mr. Mashansky to confirm that the the floor is intact and if any
ceiling is required, we certainly can add that. But it's a it's a solid monolithic concrete floor. Okay. Thank you. And the oil changes are inside and the oil is removed by a license hauler. I'm just curious for the neighbors buses
let off exhaust fumes. Do you have like a filtering system or something so it doesn't travel out into the neighborhood? We would agree that when the vehicles are in the building being serviced, they're turned off. And we would agree
that there's no idling of the of the buses in in the storage area. They're brought in, they're parked, they're brought in the building, and they're turned off while they're being serviced. But how would you measure it that we would know that it's not affecting our
neighbors? the exhaust systems. It would be no different than the traffic that's out on the highway. It' be no different than the vehicles that were previously on this site. What what we can do is we can say that they will not be idling. They they will come on
the site. The motors will be running to get to the site. They'll be turned off. And when they're in the building, they'll be turned off. That's the commitment we can make. But you you're saying the fumes from the buses are the same as fumes from a car? No. from but but from the tractors and
trucks that were there previously. Diesel fumes. Yeah. Um I appreciate you sort of agreeing to everything in my letter. Um some of the items though are sort of conditions of approval if you would. So I I just want
to confirm confirm those. So, I had recommended that trash pickup not occur before 8:00 a.m. or after 6 p.m. That's an acceptable condition. Yes. Um, Mr. Wong had mentioned that employees might arrive on site and up to an hour before the site opens. I assume
these vehicles when they're backing up are going to have the beeping noise. Employees will be coming in their own cars, right? I just want to make sure no buses are being moved prior to 8 a.m. Agreed. No move, no work on buses and no movement of buses prior to 8 a.m. just
employees coming to the site. Um, regarding the gravel that you intend to leave on site, um, obviously these are large vehicles. Um, the gravel is sufficient to support these vehicles.
Mr. Well, we're comfortable that it is, but we are, as we had indicated, if you, and I know we had this conversation, if you felt that an asphalt overlay was required, we could do that. Um, knowing the vehicles that have been on
there and the fact that there were very heavy vehicles there for a long time and that these buses would always be empty buses, we did have a comfort level, but we would defer to your good guidance. Yeah, I take no issue with the gravel. I just do want to make sure that the pro property is continually maintained. So
if all of a sudden there is ruting that it gets repaired quickly because once it starts if it's not maintained it'll get worse. Muddle. Understood. Understood. And then the last comment I have is relative to the the thinning of the vegetation. Again, I appreciate you
agreeing to my comments in my letter, but obviously any healthy vegetation that is damaged or uh removed during the thinning process that would be replaced in accordance with the burough requirements. Burough requirements. And one thing that we'd like to discuss with the board,
we're offering m various evergreens as the primary planting material, but we're we have some existing trees. We have we'd like to save what we can. Um, and we'd like to be able to work with the burrow to create a more complete
understory. I think that um we we in addition to all that is shown, I think that an understory where there's existing trees that are going to be thinned and saved, the understory would be beneficial. And if we hope that there'd be no issue with that, we could do it under your supervision.
That's all I have. Mr. Chairman, go ahead. the storm water system. You indicated that there was a blockage and that's been cleared. Can you explain what that blockage was and how it impacted the storm water system at that time? And
also a followup, has there been testing to ensure that in fact it now is operating efficiently? I know some of what was causing the problem as and I know that the last property owner actually brought in Berms
and planted materials over portions of the drainage system. Um that that's been removed. I don't know as to the actual um inlets and what activity that's you that's you. Yes. So we the blockage Ken uh discussed
and the the so your question was about testing of the system. Well no it was twofold. Number one what was the type of blockage and how was it cleared and secondarily has it been tested afterwards to show that this the system is running efficiently.
So the water primarily gets to the system through inlets. Uh I looked at the inlets myself. They are clear that there was blockage over the top of the system and there was some um I believe
some grading like things in this portion of the site were not necessarily directed towards the system. Now all the grades flow this way and there is no more uh berm on top of the system and
the inlets are clear. Uh my colleague went to the site after a lot of heavy rain and visually inspected the system to ensure that the water is that the system is draining in the time we would expect and that you know it is
functioning as we would expect. When the water uh when that water uh goes into the drainage system it must be it's a system there's a system under there. How does that system operate? Cuz that system had to be impacted by all that blockage.
So the system is a um from this was from the approved 2001 plan. We did not design the system. So what was designed was a system with perforated pipe and stone. So the idea is the water will go in that the HDPI
HDP pipe and stone can hold the structural loads but water will go in and slowly infiltrate. From what we have observed it is still operating as we would expect that it is
draining in the appropriate time. If material got in there I can't necessarily say. Yeah, I question there I I was a councilman and and
engineer. It occurred to me as your line of questioning the O andM manuals, the operation and maintenance manuals that are now mandatory by state law weren't mandatory when that system was created in 2001. We're here before you in 2025.
We have no issue with creating an O andM manual. The O andM manual imposes the responsibility of maintenance on the property owner in perpetuity and the annual reporting to the burrow. And um it it's if I didn't offer it, I I'd be
sherking it. So uh a different question related to circulation. Um I don't a coach bus a coach bus is a is a full-size bus, I'm assuming. Correct. Um, in order to be
able to access well get into and out of the site, can you explain to me how that process will and will it impact traffic on Route 35, which is a rather heavily traveled road? Sure.
On the last sheet of our site plan, I do show the circulation for a 45 or it's slightly more than 45 foot long bus, but they have no problems operating this turn. There's no backing up back and forth over there. There is some
maneuvering. That's why we have this area of gravel that buses will be able to pull in and use this area as kind of a turn around to maneuver in the site. But there should be no issue for them turning into the road off Route 35.
And how about getting out onto Rob? Would that be the same case? is similar. So I said and I'm sorry I'm not talking to my I said and is it similar for entrance entry onto Route 35 because I don't know exactly again I don't heard that they'd not be going
into two lanes of traffic. I don't remember if that is on our plan but I have run it and it is fine. And we did take the plan to the Department of Transportation. The plan that you're looking at, we took to the
Department of Transportation and in March they issued a letter of no interest stating that they had no no physical requirements to the to the driveway. And my final qu question, counselor, um diesel uh engines require warming. Um so
you indicated that they would not be idling, but I think it probably would be necessary for a bus to idle in order not to damage the vehicle. Is that not the case? So would your would you be correct when you said there would be no idling
in the storage area? You need to help me. So the bus the question of the councilman is do you need to operate does the bus need to warm up before you move it into the garage? Uh usually when I start a bus it takes
one and to two minutes to build up the air. That's it. Is that same case in a cold in the cold weather? Oh yeah. Yeah. Only it's only not warming up the engine. It's just for build up the air that because the the brake system the air system we need to
it take one two minutes to build up the air. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Chair may um just want to be clear there's not going to be any fueling pumps on the
site at all. Okay. Did you monitor the drainage and storm water situation during the past flooding that we had over the past two weeks? I know we got quite a bit of rain. I did not see I was not on site during
the last two weeks. I was able to observe the system uh this week and there was no accumulation of water in the system. How many bus parking spots are do you have toward the southern portion of the
property? 10. There's 10 bus bus parking spots. 10 storage spots. Yeah. And that those are the ones that are I'm looking on the the site plan. Um they're toward the south of the property
toward Marin Avenue. Yeah, it might be easier if you're looking at the site plan on the circulation plan, which is the last sheet I have. rectangles to see kind of each one that was the the rectangle represents the dimensions of the bus and how they would fit in there. It's very
It looks tight and it looks like there's only eight on here. Am I not seeing the right Okay. Let me see. Oh, there's right here. Okay. Okay.
I know one of the problems we had with this site that was impacting the residents, one one certainly was the drainage which we hope has been corrected with the blockage. The second one was dust from
material that the prior property owner had stored and that was pretty um I think that was almost creating a public nuisance. I just don't want to substitute dust for fumes from these buses. And I I'm just asking, is there
any other place to locate these buses that would have less of an impact on the the neighbors on in the south, particularly toward Merit Avenue? I'm not sure. I believe we were using that area to ensure the buses could pull
pull in that I would have to double check if we could move some into that area. Okay. Because when you look at all the parking spots, it looks like it would be very difficult if you had to move one if you had to take a bus that is parked in
one of the the southernmost spots and move it into the It seems like it's a really tight area for 10 buses and it seems like a lot of moving things around. It's going to create a lot of fumes and whatnot. I know we've had issues with fumes with our school buses,
too, because they park the buses near residential areas and people are are really impacted by that. So, that's my concern that we're trading dust now for fumes and I want to make sure that we're doing everything we can to minimize that
impact. Um, my last issue is I know that you you mentioned the word that you would address all the technical requirements in our professionals reports. I want to make sure we clarify they'll be compliance. It's not just addressing. You're going to comply with the
requirements that our professionals put in their reports. Yeah. Resolution compliance. Yes, sir. Okay. Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Um the existing buildings, what
condition are they in and are you planning any improvements? The all of the buildings are quite structurally sound. Didn't plan on doing anything. There might be some paint that's necessary, but they're not under they're not in poor shape uh at all. They're
all sound. The residence won't be a residence. It would be He's going back to the oil changing area. You talked about the surface being um sealed. Are there curbs around for containment for any kind of spill?
There is not containment there. There's there there aren't there there aren't curbs inside um the okay for a spill though. There's usually around any kind of change a little a curb a six inch curb going around uh an area where that kind where you're
seeping oil. Is that part of the um It isn't currently. It's something that we could add. I I think we we we'd have to It would be like a mountable soft curbs that you could travel over so that when you're inside the building, there would be a curb around the set around
where the the doors are. We could do that. Who would we work with on that? Would that be construction or your office or work with my office? Um Yeah, you can work with my office. We'll figure out sort of the the best
solution. I don't know if there are portable mats that can be rolled out and then because I also don't want to create a tripping hazard or anything like that, but certainly we want to ensure that we're not no spills do get outside of the building. Understood. Um to to address some of the board
members concerns with the storm water system and sort of how it has been uh taken care of or lack thereof in the past. Um, my letter I'd ask that you guys do a video inspection of the sewer line to ensure that it's in sufficient condition. Would you agree to do the same thing for the stormwater system to
actually look to see if there's any accumulated sediment in the bottom of the drainage system? Sure. Video of the Yeah. So, just go down the inlets, go through the pipe, and then get into the bottom of the system and make sure you don't see standing water, you don't see a lot of sediment that's been
accumulated. Um, if it has been, you know, you can get a a vac truck distributed. I think that in con in um in connection with the on andm manual would put a lot of the would address a lot of the concerns relative to storm water. Yes. The uh buses that of the fleet are
they're are they're newer versions, right? So they do have clean air technology, right? Okay. So that means that the they're a lot safer than buses 20 years ago, the diesel buses that you're thinking of. As a diesel technician, I'm pretty familiar with
that. So the idle is a lot different nowadays also. So early motion motion. Second motion with a second. All in favor? I
want to speak up to the microphone address. Robert Duffy, 111 Merit Avenue, Seville, New Jersey. Du FFFY. I want to thank uh the council.
Uh I'm not as professional as Mr. Pap is, but I'm going to try my best. I'm going to try to paint a picture so everybody can see what's going on like you were living there. Okay, I have a
few questions for the property owner first before I get into everything. Okay, thank you. My wife says yes. Uh, Mr. Yes.
Do you have uh uh uh hold on one minute. Do you have a EPA ID number, Environmental Protection Agency number, registered number? I don't know. You don't have that?
Say not or not yet. Uh, do you have any kind of ventilation in the building for exhaust?
Ventilation fans. Okay. The building does not have it and it's the commitment is that there's no I I will read the answer. I will read hazardous waste management
which this town doesn't have but the state has and he goes under the state bus repair shops like any other vehicles repaired facilities generate hazardous waste through various activities such as
oil solvents and other waste materials. requirements. Obtaining an EPA ID number, proper waste detention and recordkeeping, proper storage and hazardous material waste, providing appropriate training
and employees handling hazardous waste employees developing and maintaining congrati plan. I don't know what that is, but I'm just trying to show you
he's in business since November and nothing of this has been done. Nothing. Zero. Okay. I have He He does a lot more than just change
oil and stuff. He cleans engines. turns around and press pressure washes buses that's going on the regular ground. I have pictures here.
I don't have one for everybody like we did the last time, but I do have pictures you could circulate. Uh men cleaning the buses with air pressure. He was granted.
How many different photos are in that? I got about 13 13 separate different photos. Okay. So, let's mark that as 01. And that will be a package of 13 photos. Yeah. Last time we were in front of you,
the other neighbor Jeff made a whole booklet for everybody on the plans that you they re gave to you or they showed us was uh city buses.
These are coaches, not city buses. Coach City buses run from 12,000 to 18,000. These coaches run from 18,000 to 40 and they're much longer and
taller, bigger engines. Now, I also want to let you know that I'm going to ask Mr. Pap a question. Mr. tape. Were you at my house
the night before the original meeting, which would be June 17th? I was at your house on June 17th. Did you notice any smoke coming from the building? Their main building.
There was smoke coming from Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that, Ken. Thank you. This is what I'm telling you. I'm trying to draw a picture. A lot of this stuff that they do is not enforcable. You can
break the law every day unless you're sitting there watching them. That's not our job. Our job is to live peacefully. I understand they went from 50 to 100 ft. Oh, that's great. Do you know that
property has four sides to it? Where' they put the buses? The residential side. They could put those buses up top in front of their office building.
No, they got to put it by our houses. And Mr. Long knows his attorney was in contact with Andy and Kurt Mick. of the township and Kurt Mick, this is before they
bought the property, Kurt Mick gave them, actually emailed it to them, three pages from CME that that property had to be cleaned up
before they bought it. Mr. Burlu was supposed to do this. Let's enter that as exhibit O2. And do you have the date of that memo? So if date of the memo, please
you have a date on that? Uh this was March uh July 29, 2024. So, what I'm saying is they want to be great neighbors. They want to be the best neighbors. Well, they didn't show it yet and
they're there 6 months if they only put a shovel in the ground. It would have been something. They did nothing. And then you talk about the runoff. The runoff on that property is because of
the the road they Burloo put in is packed down. That's why the trees are dying. Has to be taken out. So the trees it's in that report from CME. They said they were going to do it.
They said they were going to fix that before they when they bought the property to Kurt Mick Andrew. Also, they gave them the okay to operate with three buses.
That's what Kurt Mick's telling me. Oh, not allowed to operate at all. Well, then then they've been operating long for 6 months. They shouldn't have been operating. Period. So what I'm trying to tell you is how do
we trust these people once you give them the okay to do it? How do we keep them confined? You can't. You can't. It's not enforcable. Best thing to do, knock it down. Let
them go somewhere else. You're in litigation now with this town with buses. We don't need another one on our hands. And I know this is a different application, but we we as neighbors are not going to
stand there and take pictures. We got lucky. We they all the things in those pictures are wrong. The bus city buses. I sh got a picture of a city bus in there and I got pictures of their buses. These are coaches.
Thank you. questions. Mr. Chair, just a couple of clarifications on some of the comments that were made. The uh in January, there was a letter that was issued by Mr. Mashansky that identified very limited activity that
could take place on the property. the act the activity that was identified in that letter was what was followed. I think in the spring there was there were violations of that was brought to my attention, Mr. Mashansk's attention and
it was stopped immediately. Um it wasn't for Mr. Mashansky contacted me and said you can get him to stop or I'm going to go out there and stop. And I notified them and they stopped immediately. It
was it was they had I think three buses that were on the property and the direction was you're allowed to have one inoperable bus on the property at the time. Um so Mr. Duffy is questioning their their veracity and their
trustworthiness. Um, I'm not here to testify to either one of those, but the burrow has the enforcement powers and you have bonding powers and you have the ability to withhold the certificate of occupancy until your engineer, your planner, and
your zoning officer are satisfied. That's not intended to be my simation. Just a response to speak. Mr. Chair, can I ask Mr. Pap a question to follow? Uh, Mr. Papa the um what was the smoke coming from that night you witnessed from the building?
There was a bus that had come on the property and I I believe that's what we were standing on the property line looking through the trees. I think that's what we saw. I think we saw exhaust coming out of a bus out of the building where the bus was. I I think it was out of a bus that had
just come on the site. Oh, out of And what about the issue with the ventilation in the in the building? Did do you have a response to that? that the the vehicles are turned off when they're in the building. The Yeah.
Okay. So, you don't have to turn the vehicle on at all in the building to to get it out. You open get it out. Yeah. Mr. Pap, while you're up, just one question. I'm sorry. Um, your observation with that bus, what time of day was that?
4:30. 4. Okay. Late afternoon. Yeah. The meeting is at 4 and we were outside talking before we started. And uh I have a a few other things to rebuttal and I thank you for the
opportunity. Uh Mr. Wong is do you have restroom dumping there? Your buses have restrooms. Yeah. Do you dump them there? No. Okay.
fire safety regulations. Do you have a fire permit to operate? Did the firemen come in and give you an inspection? We do inspect the fire stimulation. I'm sorry.
The fire extinguish. Yeah, but they're operating now. Ken, they're operating now. How could they be trusted? How, this is a very important question. How long would a nonoperable
bus be on your property? Bus that don't run. I was I I cannot give you the exact number. which depends on the couple days and another part that you can't enforce.
They could always say they're waiting for a part and the bus could be there for months and years do you uh do you have a permit for the trailer that's on your property?
Yeah, a permit. We don't have trailer on my propert. You you'll see it in the pictures. There's a trailer on the property. Mr. Mashansky that said we're allowed to have one trailer for to use for storage of our Okay, that's all I finished.
There's a letter from Mr. Mashansky from January one trail for storage of tools and it was a temporary until just asking. So, I don't understand
our enforcement agency in town. Mr. Pap says they had no authority to operate, but yet they have authority to have a storage trail around the property. One goes with the other. You
know what I mean? One more question. I Mr. P covered this and I'm just going to in reinvent uh ask again. Can we have a deed restriction on the deed? No
driveway on the southern portion of that property. It was mortalized in 2001 and Mr. Burlu just ignored it and that's where all the problems started. Thank you.
Mr. Chair, I was gonna ask Mr. Duffy a question. Mr. Duffy, um, how many buses have you seen parked on the site at any given time? Five. Five. And what what are the fumes? Do
you issue with fumes? Yes, Mr. Ken. He was at my house and seen the fumes. I told him we live with that. Well, forget about seeing smelling. Is it Yeah, the fumes are terrible. You'll I'm I'm I'm trying not to go over everything. Other neighbors will take
each part because it affects them the most and and the fumes of fural and if they park eight buses there and the workers come in in the morning and eight buses start in the morning, look
what kind of fumes you're getting. The uh storms we had recently, have you seen an improvement in the uh drainage? No, Jeff will tell you that. Go to his house. Okay. Thank you very much.
I'm trying to be calm. You swear you in tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but truth. Absolutely. You're under oath. Uh, uh, Jeffrey, last name is S H A U T E.
116 Merit Avenue. Uh, Mr. Duffy said most of everything, but there are questions that I have. Let's start from the back first. I got a really stupid question. If you're only going to work till 5:00 at night, why
would you need more lighting on a garage? Only for security purposes. Oh, now it's for security. Okay. Turn it off when the employees left. They have not been working from 8 to 5. They're there till 7 8:00
at night. On the weekends, I'm usually down the shore, but when I come home on a Sunday night at 5:00, they're still working. That's on Sunday. Can't account for every Sunday, but there's been quite a few. So when
they're telling you it or not, they are like Duffy says, we can't be the policeman for these people. Um, as far as the drainage, I don't know when you look at stuff, but usually if you want to see if there's water, you go after it rains. You didn't
look at my house, and that's where the water's coming through the backyard. I've spent over $6,000. First, I had to build a burm in my yard to keep the water away from my house. Now that the water ran close to my house, the sand along the side of the
back of the house has settled. So, we had to put more dirt in because the water that does rain seeps into the basement still. The roadway is the problem. It's been graded improperly. Blew through threw a couple bucket loads of dirt there. It
keeps some of the water out, but still comes through the yard, especially with the heavy rains. As I told you last year, been there since 1998. Never had water in my yard before with that roadway. It's got to be addressed. Somebody please address it.
Um, this this thing with the power washing. Can I ask you, do you know where the sanatory saw on the property? Do you know where it is? True. Yes. Why don't you show them where it is?
Sanitary. Sanitary. No. No. Show them. Show them where it starts between the buildings. You see that spotted between the buildings there? They're power washing the buses there. I've got a picture on my phone. I couldn't get it developed today quick
enough. What? Can't act that quick and I'm I'm not going to keep watching this. They had a bus there with all the doors open, the engine compartment open, and he's power washing. And you know where it's going? into the sanitary sore because
the cover's off. Don't tell me you're not dumping toilets there. I don't know if you can see on those pictures, there's a 2-in PVC pipe that comes out of the building and runs to the sanitary store. I don't know what that's for, but I would have to suggest they're empty
and they're waste. I can't I can't go on site to prove it, but I'm going to guess at it. Um, as far as the asphalt grindings, it's rained so hard in the front of the yard, the asphalt grindings are showing up because the dirt washed away. They
got to get rid of the asphalt grindings to do any kind of vegetation. Um, you said you cboard examination. You have the books from our last meeting with Berloo. I showed you the pictures
of the dozer pushing the grindings in there. You all saw it was over a foot deep. There was over 50 tandem loads. I showed you the pictures. I don't know where you're core, but it's there. And that's your problem with your your drainage. The water runs over top of
that. It can't get into the ground. Any dirt that's at the bottom of the hill is over the drain. It's perked through and it's probably clogged. Okay. Somebody's got to put a camera in there. I don't know how you're going to get it in there because the inlet's on one side, the outlet's on the other side. And the
water coming the out of the outlet is flooded deer's farm. So, the drainage system isn't working properly because it's not coming out of the outflow. It's going over the outflow. Um I I don't know what else I could tell you is. But if you let this thing go
through, we're going to be here. I'll be in court with this next time and I don't want to spend any more money. Um, that's pretty much all I have to say. And as far as fumes, when they work on the buses, they're not changing windshield wipers and cleaning
windows. They're changing motors. Okay. When you change a motor, what's the first thing you do? You start it up to make sure it runs right. And what do you do with that? You rev it up. And you rev it up for five minutes. Okay? Till it gets hot. So, you're the diesel guy. Am
I wrong? Okay, enough said. Thank you. Anybody else from the public speak with the lady? Good evening.
Paula Duffy, 111 Merit Avenue. I just I have one I'm sorry. Are you just asking a question or you're giving observations? I'm going to ask a question and then I'm just going to read something. Let me swear to you in Please raise your
right hand. Do you swear? Tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help you God. Yes, I do. You're smart. Thank you. Um, what is the difference between maintenance and repair? Are you only changing oil there? You're changing
tires, cleaning the inside of the buses. I mean, so if the buses come and the bathrooms are full, you just leave them like that. Yes. So, you just change the oil there. Oil and then do the most uh maintenance
and for the major repair when going to the dealership maintenance such as what? Oil change. So, that's all you do there is oil change. oil change and then do the small fix. Small fix like what
the not engine part because all the engine transmission power we going to the dealers. Okay. I'm just going to basically sum up what everyone else my husband and my neighbor Jeff said. I'm curious as to why someone's allowed
to purchase a property, operate on it, and then ask for changes and variances. Shouldn't these variances and waiverss be obtained before they begin operating their business? The company in question here has not fulfilled the issues of buffering the property from the
residential neighbors along the jug handle or removing the millings which will prevent growth of any kind. Excuse me. The owners made it a point to came to our house to let us know they want to be good neighbors. Good neighbors without pressure would fulfill
their obligations which their attorney knew about before the purchase. They currently own a bus company. They should be aware of the environmental issues which need to be addressed. Who told them it was permissible to operate outside the parameters of regulations.
The property does not meet their needs without variances or waiverss which compromise the health and standard of living of several residents who have lived here there for over 30 years. It's like deja vu. Once they're on that property, the owners merily go on their
way blissfully ignoring codes and regulations. Why do we have to bring these items to their attention in yours? Who's going to ensure that they do not exceed the codes and regulations? Why do we, the residents of Silos, have to monitor this business as we had to do in the past for
four years? Nowhere in my tax bill is there a discount for code enforcing. Quite simply, it's a time to say no. We, the residents of your town, do not deserve to be bullied and ignored and then dragged once again into litigation to secure the health, well-being, and
environmental safety of our families and our neighbors. Thank you, sir. Please raise your right hand. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? So I hope you God. Yes. Okay. You're under oath. Okay. I live on 113 Mer Avenue. My name
is Bigf Lesnak. How do you spell that? ZB I G N I E W and last name is L E S N I A K. Your address again? 113 Merit Avenue.
Thank you. Well, smoke is undisputable. is so much smoke coming in from diesel engine and winter time is even worse because engine got to be heat up and and
engine diesel engine the pump if it's regulated perfectly maybe going to be less smoke but they never regulate it perfectly that's why you see in a parkway either blue smoke or black smoke
coming from the diesel engine. This is something going on with this uh operation. You could imagine if I go with one boss on the front of their house and park and
run the engine in the morning like this morning today 7:45 exactly start the engine and ran Mondays maybe 3:00 2 o'clock I don't
remember the time I I forgot my telephone I got my telephone. He re up the engine and beep beep beep. this morning was beep beep back too because it stayed low before then I don't know
who stopped them but they run the engine for two three hours two three hours not one copper engine two three hours and evidently somebody told them it's the state law three minutes not longer
you're supposed to run the engine that that is another thing and uh They told me they going to maintain the proper over the fence. I got poison ivy twice. I caught the
poison ivy. Three, four feet stick around out of out of their property. I can't go and cut it down because that's their property. And I wish they maintained the property.
Another thing you bring her up the runoff. I lived there and dicker used to have it from east to west pitch toast the proper toes his because it was
two dickers. The dicker who owned the acre and8 he used to have a runoff from the building to the property and water was slowly dip dipping progressively to the
property. Now Morlo came what he did he put the trees between the dickers dicker's farm and this to make a war and plant the trees which is okay but he
created borrow neck borrow neck all the water now comes down this way doesn't go to the deer property because it's Oh, and follow down and uh Moralof put pipe
drainage pipe maybe I would say 3 ft high five or four pipes. I got the picture. And he fill it up with blue stone,
silicon stone. He did not fill her up with the sand or anything like this or blue stone. And I got the picture to prove it. And he created bottleneck
and all the water from the this property what we talking about comes out to the dicker and is is a river there. river like it's heavy rain and it stay there for three four days
before it drains. That's what I want to say. Thank you. What else? And I hope somebody maintain this poison ivy. Duffy. I got one more. Yeah, but wait a minute. Mr.
I'm trying to Mr. Duffy. Let me see if somebody else is want to speak. Does anybody else want to speak besides Mr. Duffy? Damn. Hi, Mr. Duffy. I just want to try to draw a picture for you.
You know Raridan Valley Bus Company, Hellridge Bus Company. Beautiful buses, same name, same color. The buses that we see going in and out of there are all different colors, no
names on them. Some have names, which is telling me they're used buses that they bought. Now, Hellridge and and Raridan Valley, you if they say they got 10 buses, all
of them look the same. They have 10 buses. One day this one will have purple, this one will have gray, this one's white, coach on it, this. So if you grant them all the waivers,
how do I know what bus is theirs and what bus is an outsider? I have no idea. You'll have no idea. Another part you can't enforce. I'm just trying to show the picture.
These are used buses that probably have 6 to 700,000 miles on them. They're not, as you say, have the new filters and stuff. Okay. Because a brand new coach
runs between six and $700,000. And if you want a wheelchair accessible, it's nine. So, I'm just I I don't want to put them out of business. I'm just trying to protect myself. If that's what they can
use buses, it's great. But they're not with all the new filters and and stuff. Yeah. There's no technology in the in these buses and I wouldn't know if it's theirs or they're sneaking and outside
to do repair work. Thank you. Boss called Anybody else like to speak? Yeah. I have one more thing I'd like to say. All right.
If they only own 15 buses, that's what they said, right? Why do we need 10 spots for broken down buses? They only run five buses a day. So Duffy's got a good point. Who are all the other buses there?
And don't have a picture, but you guys could drive by anytime you want. There's a bus over there right now with no tires, no wheels, no doors, no nothing on it. That's not maintenance. That's a torn down bus. So, something else is
going on there. Okay. So, I'm going to suggest they're maintaining other people's buses also. And let it stay at that. Seeing no other person, I'd like to make a motion to close the public. Motion to close. Second.
All in favor? Any oppose? The eyes have it. Mr. Chair, members of the board, may I ask for a 5 to 10 minute recess to convene with my clients in the conference room? Yes.
Thank you. We'll be back on the record in less than 10 minutes. Okay. Back on the record, Mr. Chair. Back on the record, Mr. Chair, number of concerns that were raised by board members, concerns raised by our neighbors require that we ask for
an adjournment to see if we can find a way to address, if not all, most of those concerns. I think with a concerted effort we can I would respectfully ask if this board would allow us to be adjourned to a date in September. I think we're going to
need about five or six weeks to meet with burough representatives and then to come up with revisions on our plan. So if there's a meeting towards the end of September that would be ideal if it meets with your approval.
Yeah, September 17th. Delays 60 days already. How many times are you going to get my delay? As many as we need to present the proper application to the board. I am hopeful. Think they should vote.
September 17th may be a little bit snug, but it I'll ask you to place us on. If we're not ready, I'll notify you uh in ample time to create a further date. So, we would need a motion to from
somebody to um to accept to carry um to September 17th with no further notice. Second, we'll do a roll call. Uh, Mr. Kandell, yes. Mr. Mueller, yes. Miss Sataka,
yes. Mr. Veosen, yes. Mr. Williams, yes. Councilman Sabrowski, I don't know if I could comment on that, but I have a question. Um and actually fellow board member raised this and that is we'd actually or some of us would
actually like to have permission or an opportunity to inspect this the property. We we don't obviously we've never been on there because we don't want to it's it's private property but within that time period I think some of us would probably benefit from having that inspection.
Open invitation. If you would like someone from our team there when you're inspecting just tell us. But open invitation councilman. Thank you. Oh yes. And chairman Tai. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Knock on the door.
So they they can go through me and I can give Mr. P um office a phone call. I'm sorry. Uh just just for the public um you will not receive another certified mailing. This will be heard on September 17th back here. Same place,
same time. Okay. Can I ask a question? I mean is it regarding the adjournment? Well, because have meetings until he gets it right. It's hopefully this at this point it's
just adjourned to September 17th and the board will decide from there to work until next month. They can just keep having their business run. No, public portion is closed. Mr. Chairman, I think that that's something to be dealt with with the township code
officer uh after this meeting. Yeah. And just one comment about visiting the site, your council will be the but there's the open public meetings. No more than three, you know, that that's all at a time. Yeah, you're all welcome, but no more than
three on the property at a time. Chairman, I have a question. Um I'm just trying to follow this. This tonight here is for an application for site plan approval. Why are there buses on the site? Was there some kind of pre-
uh approval? No, I mean I thought this was the first application to get approval. There is no pre-approval. This is the first application requesting this relief. Why are there buses on the site? That's something that I'm going to go over with our CL. There was a letter
that allowed one bus on the property. I'm going to go over it with our clients as to what activities are taking place. I learned some things this evening. Um we're going to spend some time addressing it. And one other thing, if part of your
site plan is to have a a washing station for any uh type of whatever you're washing, there should be some kind of a stall where that is a separate area to wash the area and it's drained to a
proper facility. I question whether in fact it's going into a sanitary sewer, but I'm thinking that whatever it's being washed or any type of area for uh specific washing, it should be sent into
a proper drainage u area. That's it. I thank you all. See you September 17th. Next on the agenda, old business, new business, administrative matters. Our next meeting is August 20th.
Um, Matt, was there anything um up and coming for August 20th? That Yeah, I don't know how to say it either. Call it Chil. Okay. My letter for that. We'll go ahead. Okay, great. So that we'll have a minor subdivision and then we'll also have our
two areas in need of redevelopment for Main Street and Crossman and Ernston Road and Mini Mall Drive. Um there'll be that hearing as well. Do you want to take a motion to open to the public? Motion to open to the public. Second. All in favor?
I opposed. Anybody from the public like to speak about anything? Anybody from the public like to speak about right now? Unrelated to the application. What? Unrelated unrelated to the application.
Oh, no. No. No. All right. Take a motion to close the public portion. Motion to close. Second. All in favor? Any opposed? The eyes have it. Make motion to adjurnn. All in favor?
Opposed? The eyes have it. All right. Good night every