One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Notice of the meeting has been satisfied in accordance with chapter 231 PL1975 by advertising in the home news
tribune notifying the Sentinel Publishing Company and the Star Ledger and also posting on the bulletin board and filing with the Burough Clerk. Roll call. Mr. Green here. Mr. Kazinski here. Mr. Espazito here. Mr. Bella here. Mrs.
Scottstein here. Mr. Castle Grant here. Miss Cassandi here. Under old business and carryover applications. I'm first going to call Ken Pate. Good evening, Mr. Chair, board members. Thank you. Our application is Sterling
Tower and it's on your agenda. We notice in publish for this evening, but we respectfully ask that the board carry us to your May 28th meeting for the presentation. And we would also ask that you accept our notice and publication and not require that we republish.
I need a motion to carry this application to the May meeting. Motion to carry it. Second. Roll call. Mr. Green. Yes. Mr. Kazinski. Yes. Mr. Espazito. Yes. Mr. Bella. Yes. Mrs.
Godstein. Yes. Mr. Castlebrand. Yes. Miss Gassandi. Thank you. Okay. The meeting will be next month. Forward to seeing you next month. Bye-bye. Our next application is
257. It's 28 Felic Terrace. I have a little trouble pronouncing your your last name. If you please come forward. Please raise your right hand. You swear and tell the truth. double thing button. Yeah.
Would you tell the board exactly what you want to do at the property on 25 Field at Terrace? 28 28 28 Field at Terrace. Uh I'd just like to put up a whole barn. It's basically just for storage for excessive
things that we have in our yard. I have two children. I'm actually moving back to my mother's house. Uh I sold my house uh a few months back. My father passed away uh two three years a three years ago and that's why I am moving back. I'm moving back with my wife, my two
children. We have a lot of stuff. I'm basically bringing everything from my other house to my mother's. So, it's all her stuff plus my stuff. Um again, it's just we have a swimming pool. It'll be meant for all the pool supplies, all the pool things, all my kids toys. We have
big toys and I just want to have a little workshop so I can teach my son little things, work on a lawn mower, work on the little things that we have. Um, I don't have a landscaper. I do all my things by myself. We do have all the equipment, you know, I have my
snowblowers, lawn care, all that is just for an extra storage. That's about it. Garage is just not enough. My mom and mother has her own things in there. Um, we really try not to keep, you know, things that hold possibly gas or anything inside of the house. Um, it's
not it won't obviously it's not just gasoline just a little bit. I always empty things out, you know, in the winter, in the fall. Um, that's about it. Are you going to put the uh pole barn up or is the contractor going to do
it? The contractor out of Pennsylvania. And it's on the left side of the property all the way to the rear. Correct. All the way in the back. Anybody from the board have any questions concerning this application? Yes, Mr. Chairman. So, it's on this uh
diagram. It's listed as a garage. Is that is that the correct? Yes. Okay. But it's not going to be a garage. It's going to be I mean it's a met it's a metal pole barn. It's completely metal. Um, are you using it for a car or Okay. So, I mean, no driveway to it, no cars,
no nothing like that. And it's 24 by 32 according to the drawing. And, uh, how far away from the property lines is it going to be? That's important. Uh, 7 ft and 7 ft. Okay. Uh, Jay, do we need to mark that on the drawing just to make it
on the record? And so it also your your rear property line is at an angle to your side property line. So uh that's where the 7 and 1/2 ft will be the nearest to the property line. Okay. I mean I could change anything, you
know, anything you want me to do. I over the the property in the back is large. So, if you want me to shift it over a foot. No, that's fine. I just want to make sure it's on the record correctly. And what's to the rear of your property? Are there homes or uh just backyards?
Okay. All right. Thank you. All backyards are basically all the same size. So, it's not like I'll be really close to another, you know, home or anything like that. Okay. And then we always ask these questions. Are you going to have any
electricity? No. Any plumbing? And is it going to be used for a business? Absolutely not. Okay. We just have to ask those questions. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions from the board? I have a comment. Um the
pole barn that sits in the back of your property will be is a lot bigger than what you're proposing. So, this I don't think is a problem. I also went down to the property and and saw the location and I don't see a
problem with it either. Any other questions of anyone? Yeah, you meet the minimum setbacks which is agreed to do but more than that 5t is the minimum. You said seven seven and a half ft from the rear and the side. I think that be 10 ft from the
nearest structure not from the patio for the pool from the pool itself. Yeah, you didn't draw the the whole scale, but I think even I did redraw it still looks like you have plenty of room to work. And the issue is the 15 ft maximum
height for accessible use 16 and 150 ft for accessible use of the area 68. But again, it doesn't seem to be an issue. 150 ft is kind of small for a lot of sheds down by 15. So, um I see
no issue with this location. Um structure looking at the photographs there's nothing no structures home. That's correct. Yes. I'm going to open it to the public. Is there anyone from the public who
wishes to speak in reference this application? Hearing none, I close the public portion. It's the pleasure of the board concerning this application. Motion to approve this application. I'll second. I have a motion and a
second to approve this application. Roll call. Mr. Green? Yes. Mr. Kazinski? Yes. Mr. Espazito? Yes. Mr. Bella Mrs. Scottstein. Yes. Cassel Grant. Yes. Miss Gassandi.
Your application's been approved. We will moralize it at our next meeting and you can proceed to put up the poll barn. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Our next application is
256 110 North Edward Street. Please come forward. Please raise your right hand. You swear I tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help you God. Yes. May I get your first and last name? How do you spell? Yeah. M A N S E K H.
And the last name is Jeriala. J A R I W A L A. You the property owner? Yes. Sir, would you tell the board exactly what you want to do on your property?
My application is uh to extend the kitchen uh and uh front porch. We have a small kitchen so we like to have a make it bigger. You want to extend the front porch?
Yeah. uh 4 ft we want to extend and that will be within the uh the property line. So you want to extend the front porch and also make the kitchen larger. Yes.
Am I correct? Yes. You have a contractor that's going to do this work or are you going to do it? No, we'll have a contractor. Any questions to the board concerning this application? Is it a porch or is it an
addition? Because on the application it says front edition. Front addition is a porch. Yes, we have a 5 ft porch. We want to extend 4T further within the uh building line
because some in the storm we have the you know snow drift and rain you know. So so that porch you're going to extend to um be equal to either side of the house or less.
Okay. So it's not an addition. It's an extension of the porch. Correct. Yes. X infin. That's correct. There's on your drawing there's a you you outline you have in red new 5 foot
high fence but that's not part of the variance is it? That's No, that is not the part but I I saw I I would like to have the fence around because our neighbor has a fence too. Okay. Does that require any relief that
five foot needs to zoning? Generally fences are four feet or six feet, but in the side of rear yard, I think six feet is allowed by ordinance, but I wasn't reviewing the fence. Yeah, you may have to come back and get
a permit for the I don't think necessarily if it's permitted, the board can't get a permit. Um, we just go through the zoning officer and if it's not permitted then you can come back here for another I have another comment. Your survey is
from 2006. Yes. Have you added anything onto the property? Like when did you take ownership? Uh I took the ownership on 2011 and uh we added in 2018 the uh deck in the
backyard and I had a permit and approval from the board. Okay. So that wouldn't be on this survey. I I you probably added that on the survey drawing. Yeah. It it wasn't part of the original survey, but you sketched
in on that old survey where the deck is. So you are showing it on the plan. What are the variances? One variance of maximum building% minimum 10,000 ft over 13,000 Yeah. Can I uh can I uh remove the fence
for for now? We can do later on. Oh, you know, you can go in and ask the zoning officer for a sec for a fence permit. And assuming that your fence is permitted, then the zoning officer will issue you a fence permit and you can go
build the fence. Yeah. So it's not really part of this application. Okay. So these are not part of the opinion. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. The application as as you presented it to us, we'll hear it. It's the fence that we're talking about that you'll
just go to the zoning office and get the permit just for the fence. Okay. The the application is what we're hearing now. All right. Got it. Any other questions from the board? No other questions. I'm going to open it to
the public. Anyone from the public wish to speak in reference this application hearing? None. I close the public portion. And what is the pleasure of the board in reference to this application? Move that the application be approved.
I second it. Okay. I have a motion and a second to approve this application. Roll call. Mr. Green. Yes. Mr. Kazinski? Yes. Mr. Espazito? Yes. Mr. Bella? Yes. Mrs. Gotstein? Yes. Mr. Castle Grant? Yes.
Miss Gassandi? Okay. Your application's been approved. You can We're going to moralize it at our next meeting and then you can start with your kitchen and your front porch. Thank you very much. I appreciate. Thank you.
Welcome. Thank you. Thank you, Andrew. Our next application is 253 I point Investments of Serville LLC Wawa. anything. chair and members of the board. Uh my name is Hugh Magcguire. I'm
the attorney for the applicant High Point Investments of Seville LLC. Uh application for the property better known as 880 Main Street, Serville. It's block 251, lot 1.01. And there's an application for both subdivision and and
site plan approval for the uh development of a Wawwa gas station filling station and convenience store. engineer gets set up. I've already provided copies of the notices and affidavit of publication to
the board secretary. Could you slide the exhibit down a little bit? I'll just call our engineer. Your name and your Yeah. Sorry. Sure.
Swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So, I hope you got I do. All right. You're under. Okay. And just state your name for the My name is Mark Shinoda. Sen O D A. I work for French Polo Associates and I've been practicing a professional engineer
in New Jersey for the last 13 years. And Mr. You've appeared before this board before. Is that correct? Not in Sville. No, not Sville. Okay. You have appeared before other boards. That's correct. And given testimony on such applications. That's correct. So I would move that we accept him as ex expert. Yes, we accept
extensions. Thank you. All right. So, why don't you uh give the board the basic overlay of the application and the property? Sure. You want to go? So, the property is known as block 251, lot one. It's uh located on the southwest corner of Main Street and
Crossman Road. Uh it has 567 576 feet of frontage along Main Street while the remaining is along Crossman Road. On the western portion of the property uh we have Berts Creek. Uh it's well we also have uh wetlands in this area which we
have approved through D which was previously previously approved through DP. Uh which uh we have filed a new application with them to you know determine a new line. Uh there's also flood hazard area in the rear of the property. We have issued a uh line verification application with D based on
the year uh projected year 2100 storm events to ensure that uh anything that we're developing here uh is not impacting the flood as part of the plan. Uh this is the subdivision plan. Yep. Sheet two of the plans. Yes. Just note the sheets. Sure. This one is
This one is a new sheet. So, we can enter this one as a new exhibit if you'd like. Yep. Yep. The aerial exhibit. But there is a problem with the groundwater in this area. There is groundwater contamination on that property. Yes. And we are, you
know, our engineering controls are separating any contact with that groundwater. The parking lot is serving as a cap. Uh we are proposing two bio retention systems here which are going to be lined with a uh HDP liner to make sure that there's no contact with that groundwater. But wasn't the part of the
property the EPA? It was under like remediation. It was under it's currently under remediation there. Uh it's continuing remediation. Exactly. Yes. So the the the site has been determined clean by D. The groundwater is being subjected to uh injections by u an LSRP.
This will be going on for the next several years to slowly bring the concentrations of the contaminants down in the ground. But you can still build there. Yes, we've been given permission by the LSRP to build here with some engineering controls like I said the uh the separation of the bio retention system to from making contact with that
groundwater just to make sure that none of that water you know migrates over to BS Creek and that was the only issue with the EPA the groundwater. Yes. As far as the soil, it's all been remediated and it was mainly on the first transit portion of the property and that's all been remediated and kept.
It's going to be or it was it has been as part of the first transit. There's no soil contamination as part of this portion of the property here. Do you have any kind of certificates? We have an RO which was submitted to to uh to the board professionals and we can we can submit that. Sure. Again, yes, I
would like that. Sure. Thank you. All right. Identify exhibit A1. Sure. Exhibit A1 is an aerial of the uh the subject property and areas within 200 feet. Um no I didn't date the actual plan. No was just kind of brought for
uhformational purposes. So the applicant is proposing to subdivide the property into two lots uh forming this corner lot here in the front which would uh be approximately 3.2 acres leaving the remaining 13.3 acres for the remainder of the property.
Uh we're proposing to construct the Wawa on this portion of the property. Um we're seeking use variance relief in this area. We are in the industrial zone and it's a not a permitted the convenience store and fueling station is not a permitted use in this area. So we receiving relief for that. Uh we are proposing to construct a let me go to
the next page here. Sheet sheet oh sorry sheet three three sheet three. So this next page here is a rendering of the landscaping plan which is sheet 14 of the set just filled in with color here. So to be better
representative of what's going to be built out there, uh we're proposing to construct a 6,732 ft convenience store and the associated fueling stations. Uh the fueling station will have six fueling islands with two pumps per island for a
total of 12 pumps in this area. Uh we're proposing a fly-through lane on the eastern portion of the building right here. Uh people can come in and this is a fly through where there's no ordering taking place. It's strictly a pickup window only for mobile orders. So they
would come in the the app would notify them if they're, you know, when their order is ready, they would come, pick it up, and just drive out. So we don't anticipate any queuing, and we'll have somebody from uh from Walmart to testify about the the operations of the uh the fly-through area.
Uh Middle Sex County is in the process of uh preparing improvements for this intersection. Uh and part of those improvements include a right-of-way dedication uh from here. You can see this this phantom line here to here. And all the setbacks that were shown in the
bulk schedule on the plans are based on that new property line uh based on the dedication. Uh the front setback is 119.3 ft to that proposed rightaway. Uh sideyard setback is 76.3 ft going to
this property line here. Uh this rear setback I believe is 226 ft to this property line. Uh we're proposing two 30 foot wide drive aisles. This one on Main Street is going to be a oneway in, one way out. The one on Crossman Road is
going to be right right turn in and then most likely left turn out as there's nothing really on this side other than the first transit development over here. The parking lot around parking lot around the building will have 47 parking spaces. We have two ADA spaces, one
loading space, three truck parking area spaces, which we're anticipating to be used by sort of like landscaping trucks, and we have one EV ready space set up here per the state requirements for this number of parking spaces. Uh we have a d a gated a trash
enclosure in the rear of the property here uh with with gates. Obviously, the gates are intended to be closed at all times when when this is not in use. So, I know the gates do kind of open into the drive line, but these will be closed so make sure the traffic can kind of circulate through here. We're proposing
uh 20 foot high light poles and LED fixtures throughout the site uh to ensure proper illumination to comply with uh IES standards and to be dark sky compliant. We're ensuring that there's no uh flooding on the neighboring property here and here. There is a
slight amount on on Main Street here, but we feel that's going to help illuminate the road a little bit. Um the site has undergone a certain amount of clearing. Uh we are proposing to based on the tree preservation plan to take down 192 trees that are here.
Most of them are small caliber sort of junk trees. They've kind of come up fairly recently. So we don't think they have a very uh high environmental resource value. The storm water on site will be managed by two bio retention basins here and here. The basins have been designed
to comply with NJAC78 for uh water for water quantity reduction. Uh we've designed the site to uh reduce the projected year 2100 storm event which is I believe approximately 11.5 ines of rain in 24 hours. So these
the system is designed to manage that. The water will be treated by these two basins through a bofiltration media and then taken out to the discharge point that was proposed for the first transit site and then eventually the water will go out to Berts Creek. So overall based
on the improvements we're reducing the the the flow and we are also treating any of the storm water that leaves the site uh for for water quality and uh what they call suspended solid removal. Uh for the we've uh we've met with Middle Sex County for a
pre-application meeting. Uh they seem to be very positive about the uh the project. One of their concerns is obviously with these proposed improvements. They want us to make sure we coordinate our our utility connections properly. We have a couple of the water and the gas connections coming out onto Main Street. So they want to ensure that we make those
connections without uh impacting the new pavement that they put down there. So those are one of those are a couple of things that we've dealt with with the county. uh but they otherwise seem to be on board with the project. Uh per the request of the county and the request of the board professionals, we prepared a
uh capacity analysis for the intersection here to determine the impact of the new development on traffic in this area. Uh Main Street currently has a level of service of B uh in the existing condition. Crossman Road here,
obviously it's a very short road with that stubs right about here. Sorry. Are you qualifying him as a traffic engineer as well? I I I we do have a traffic engineer here. I am answer I'm just kind of giving you an overview of the the traffic impacts here. But if there are any specific traffic questions, we can
we can go to the traffic engineer for those. So I'm kind of just like an overview of the whole thing. Um so again, yeah, Crossman Road has a level of service uh of C in the existing condition. Um based on obviously there's no there's no throughway going that way.
uh based on the improvements and in addition the uh the first transit property and keep in mind that they are proposing a new signal timing for this intersection as part of the the county improvements and we've done our counts and our analysis based on those new
signal timings. Um so based on our analysis the impact on Main Street uh is not it's I wouldn't say it's completely minimal but it's pretty minimal as far as maintaining the level of service. that will maintain the level of service of B for Main Street. We do anticipate a
lot of the cars coming into the Waw Wa are kind of passing through this property anyway. So, they're going this way, but they're kind of stopping off at the Wawa to pick up what they need, fill up on gas, and then leaving and kind of continuing on on their way. So, that's why we're not seeing a huge huge impact on it. We are seeing a reduction in
level of service for Crossman Road from a level service C to D. But again, since it is a stub road, it is only a few hundred feet long and ends right past the driveway for the first transit property. We don't feel that has that's going to have any significant impact. Uh the sanitary sewer on site will be
connected to an existing main on site over here and then brought off site here and here. We've uh analyzed the sanitary sewer for capacity for this property and for the existing first transit property and they uh the system has plenty of capacity to handle that flow coming from
both of these. Um gas, as I said, gas and water service are going to be connected on Main Street and obviously we'll coordinate with uh the respective utility companies on where those exact locations are and coordinate with the county to make sure that it's not impacting any uh of the improvements that they're doing
here. Regarding uh the waiverss that we are proposing here, we have three. Parking within 100 ft of the uh front yard setback. So, we have this parking over here, which is within the front yard setback right over here. uh parking within 5T of the property line, which we
have in this area right here. These truck parking stalls are within about 5t of this new proposed property line. The first transit parking lot curb line goes right down here and go and it goes parallel to the par to the new property line over here. I think it's off by about 10
ft. And we are also seeking a waiver from the hairpin parking striping requirement. We're using single stripe parking uh per per WA's requirements uh in this parking area. Uh regarding sidewalk, we're requesting a waiver for sidewalk between the parking areas and
the principal structures. This is kind of how Wawa has their things laid out. They have this whole area sort of as like one giant sidewalk with people kind of crossing through. We do have for the fueling area uh coming through here a sidewalk and crosswalk kind of going through here. So these people can uh
walk from this area over here uh without being uh without having to walk into this drive aisle over here. Uh regarding landscaping uh 5 foot wide we're requesting a waiver for the 5 foot wide uh building foundation plantings. It's not really you know part of Wawa's
normal design. They they like to see the sidewalk and the pedestrian access fully around the building. So we're requesting a waiver from that. Uh 10% of the parking area is to be landscaped. Uh within the interior, we're not proposing any islands, but we are landscaping the areas around the parking as well. Uh and
then one shade tree for every parking space. Again, same thing. We're not really proposing any islands here. We're going to show the trees around here, uh around the parking area and within this island over here. The bio retention systems are kind of showing as these green plantings here, but it's going to be a lot denser than that. We didn't
want to show it because we thought it would make it make this plan really busy, but these are going to be planted with a lot of different grasses and shrubs and small trees to help with the water quality treatment. Um, and that's I have a question. Sure.
If you're removing 192 trees, yes. Are you then to prevent erosion, are you going to supplement with top soil for the tree? Well, as far as soil erosion, these we're going to as far as the entrances to these basins, they're all going to be rip have a rip rip, sorry,
rip wrap aprons to avoid any any uh erosion of the biomedia that's within these areas. And then from the output, we also have rip wrap aprons here to kind of attenuate the flow and have the water kind of go off the site without uh without causing any erosion. So, and
again, we'll we'll we'll implement the soil erosion measures as as required by the standards for soil erosion control during construction and uh make sure we comply with the other requirements of off-site stability and and things like that. Do they need permits to remove that amount of trees? Mr. Chairman, they
need a permit for and they've got calculations on their plan. What they're doing is they're removing more trees than they're providing back on the site. So, they have to make a contribution to the tree bank to offset that difference. I think it's approximately $30,000 contribution for the amount of trees that are being removed and not replaced
on the site. Any other question? Sure. Uh if you look at where the gasoline pumps are. Mhm. Or to further to the top of the drawing. What is that right there? So this is a concrete pad. So these are the underground storage tanks for the fuel. So this at the surface is going to be a
concrete pad with access access ports, basically manholes. So when they come to fill it up, they'll lift those out and connect the trucks to them. But when this is actually built, it'll just look like a flat concrete pad. That's where the trucks will will end to. Yes. And we prepared, you know, our circulation plan
on the last page of the plans. We did uh use a tanker truck coming into both of these entrances to make sure that they can navigate the site uh safely and comfortably as far as getting in, doing their filling, and getting out. It's kind of tight. It is. But again,
these are 30 foot wide. They're 40 30 foot wide lanes. We're also providing like for this island here, we're providing mountable curb and you know, so they can get on that curb if they need to for that one and that one. This one will be a full depth curb with uh with landscaping. So that pad that you're that you're
talking about there is just for filling up the uh the tanks, correct? Yes. It's just they they want an actual concrete pad on top of the tanks as opposed to asphalt. Right. The cars that come in there to get gasoline will not go on that pad. They can drive on it. This is part of the normal drive aisle right here. So, it's it's when you're driving
on it, it's just like concrete. Every Waw Wa has that next to their uh their fueling station. It's just a concrete. It's just the the pavement will turn to concrete, then back to pavement again. Okay. Yeah. Mr. Chairman, I I guess Mr. Kachinsky talked about the tanker trucks. Is there
any way to restrict the hours that the trucks can come to the site for the deliveries of the the fuel? I mean, that's something I guess we could talk about with W. I mean, I I I'm sure I'm I'm guessing that they come in an as needed basis. You know, when they run out of fuel, they come and God I I don't know if you planned on showing the
turning templates, but it is very tight as was indicated. You're actually crossing some of the concrete islands. And if that happens during a morning or noon time peak, you're going to have some issues with circulation on the site. Okay. So, that's something we'll have to talk about with Wah. Okay.
What's behind that here? Uh, this is just stone over here. It's like you have some room. I mean, if if it's tight, why don't you just expand it a bit? Yeah. Well, I mean, it's it's not I mean, it's it's not tight. I mean, we can we can we can widen this here a little bit. Uh, but we're, you know, we're trying to
keep this area not too far, but this is how they normally landscape. They show the stone around this area, then they put these these shrubs around it over here. Mr. Chairman, that that's not really the problem area. The problem is swinging into the site, maneuvering around the building, and getting to that point. And then once you're there
leaving to get out of the site and and I don't know if you planned on showing your turning template, but maybe you should just so the board can understand. No, not on the I don't have it on here. It's on the last sheet of the plans. Okay. What's on there? And again, this this here also this is the extent of the uh sloped canopy that's over the uh the
fueling station. So as far as this area on the ground, there will be actual safety and the only other you know obtrusions will be the the the kiosks here and the actual filling islands. So this area here will all be navigable.
When a car pulls in for gas, they they pull under that. Yes. They'll pull in under here. They'll pull in and then pull in like right here and on the other other side of that. Yeah. Or Yeah. Other side. Yeah. Of this. So we And we have three of those. You can actually have six cars across. We can have Yeah. Yeah.
So I could have 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 cars fueling at the same time. 1 2 3 4 5 six though going long way. Well, it's it Well, it's one two three four five. Yeah, it's it's it's No, go
the other way. Yes, it's Yeah. six and six. Yeah. Yeah. That looks kind of tight also to be honest. No, I mean yeah, this is their this is their standard layout. We didn't change this to accommodate this site. This is their standard G fueling area and canopy. So the other any of the
other Waw Wa fueling stations, this is this is what they have. Reason we're concerned is there's another property that we actually approved and after construction, you know, it's a little bit more obvious how tight it is and so we don't want to do that then. Right. No, we don't want to do that either. So,
you know, we we you know, that's why we we did get do the mountable curb in this area just to make sure if the tanker truck needs to mount on that curb, it's not going to be an issue, but we again, we'll talk about the hours of operation to make sure that doesn't impact other traffic on site. You mentioned uh earlier you mentioned
um a drive-in. Is it a drive-in or is it a fly in? What is a fly in? So, there's no order window. It's only a pickup window. So, they would do the orders through the mobile app for subs or whatever they're usually getting. The app will notify them when the order is ready and then they go up to the window to pick it up and then they just drive
out. How backed up does that get? Uh, we'll have somebody to testify about that. We have it set up for three cars, but we don't anticipate any stacking here just because the idea is you're not ordering here. You're going to pick up and leave. So, and you're not supposed to go in here until your order is ready. So, but you're going on the app. Yes.
I'm online. Well, no. No, you got to do it beforehand. You can't go on. You can't just stand here and wait and order your food. It's going to take longer for that to get prepared. How would I know? I mean, it's something I mean, as far as you using the app knowing, you know, how long it would normally take. I know that I
if you want, we can bring the representative. Yes, they could talk about that. We don't really have all the details. We're not operators, but yeah, we're just struggling. Yeah, we'll bring somebody up and they can probably answer those questions.
Yes. Okay. We're asking where where's the entrance to the store? The entrance to the store there'll be on on both sides. It'll be on this side and on this side. And then this area here is the loading area. So this is the striped
loading zone. So in other words, facing the entrance. One would be facing cross and one is facing me. One is facing main, the other is facing the adjacent property. This side is the uh is the flythrough lane. Yep. So, you park on this side, you walk in here, park on this side, walk in here.
There's one EV station here. Based on the state requirement, we're required to provide one EV station perif for the first 50 50 spaces. uh we had originally shown more uh you know some of the wawas are showing that you know having that you know in some of their their developments but they don't seem to be
getting it utilized as much as uh we were anticipating. So we're going with the the state requirement here and if there is that need that come that comes up later on for Wawa to add more EV stations here they could certainly do that. So you only have one right now. We have
one proposed right now. Yes. Is that the best place to put the EV station? Yeah. I mean, because we have it right next to the This over here is also the the air pump. So, we have these islands set up so they, you know, so if you park here, there's an island set up, a striped island set up right in front of the charging station. So, you can you
have safe access to bring the the the wire and plug in your car here. And then on this side, same thing. We have a striped island adjacent to the air pump. So, there's free room for you to walk around and fill up your fill up your air. They're slightly wider than the normal. Uh well, I mean, if you include the
striping, yes. But the actual if the actual spaces themselves are standard size 10 by 20. Yeah. The striping is basically the same as a an ADA uh striped island. Can you just put on the recommended want to decide just so you can just give us the
list of the variant. Sure. Okay. Okay. So, obviously the use variance, the bulk variance is uh minimum lot area uh 10 acres is required. We're proposing 3.2. Uh minimum lot width uh for lot A 500 ft is required. We are proposing
332.5. Minimum lot depth for lot A is 400 ft. We are proposing 165.9. Minimum front yard setback. Uh I guess this is to No, we're I don't think we have this one. Yeah. No, that's not right. Yeah. Uh oh, that's the that's
the first transit property. Yeah. Um that those are the variances first transit that's existing. So that's back. Yeah. And then of course the use the stack up to the one that you put in. I'm not I'm not familiar. Yeah, we're
not I'm not a representative from Waw Wa. I'm I'm with High Point the property owner there. We don't need to be s You know what? Let's I was going to build the planner next, but maybe let's bring up the the Waw representative so we can answer some of those questions. That might be Wawa
doesn't own the land. They're rent they're leasing it or how long is the lease? Just curious anyone? Yeah. 20 years. Okay. Mr. Chairman, I think before the engineer finishes, we had a very lengthy
uh technical review. Uh I don't know that you have to go through each item. I I do you have any issues with the No, we're going to comply with the requirements of the technical review. Uh one of the other things with the backwater from Burst Creek, we're going to illustrate that that's not being impacted, but otherwise we were going to comply with the requirements of the
technical review. I think Mr. Chairman, I think the two big issues that we had are that how the fly through operation is going to work and whether that's going to impact the circulation on the site. The second issue is we had also asked for that capacity analysis at the intersection. When the county designed this revised intersection improvements,
it did not anticipate a Wawwa being constructed here. So, they're going to have to work with the county and possibly revised the timing of that signal to accommodate the additional traffic that's proposed, especially on Crossman Road. Yeah. And we'll we'll we'll submit a full capacity analysis to you for review that's going to
illustrate some of those points. So, we just ask that any resolution, if adopted by the board, require them to comply with all the technical items in our report. Yep. Thank you. I have one other comment. Sure. Is is the uh entrance and exit on Main Street
really necessary? Uh yeah, I mean I think I think if we only had the one entrance on Crossman, it's going to cause a problem in the backup. Uh it is a oneway in one way out entrance. So that you can't leave that entrance to turn left onto Main Street. It's only uh so any left turn access would be from Crossman. If they're coming down this
way west on Main Street, they'd have to turn left onto Crossman and come in this driveway. Mr. I was involved with the pre-application meeting with the county and I think there were concerns about having left turns out of that Main Street driveway. So county was okay with right in and right out. No left turns.
Everything if you're making a left in or left out of the site to get out to Main Street will be through the traffic signal on Crossman Road. One of the things they asked for was to make this island over here just a little bigger. They wanted us to extend it all the way out to the property line. So we're going to do that. They're trying to restrict people from
trying to make left turns. Sure. In off of Main Street kind of make it impossible. Yeah. All right. So, was there a proposal for the a walkway to the bus compound? Uh, we did talk about that. The bus compound does not want to have another additional access over here just for security purpose. They have
some issues with breaking. So, they want to want to avoid that. So, we were talking about putting again we had this crosswalk going through. We were talking about carrying this through here and into the building, but it's not something they're they it's a security issue. So they're they're fine with you know most of those people are going to walk out and walk around and we provided
access here so that the sidewalk comes in here they can walk down this way and then across through here. Thank you. What about from Main Street? If people are walking on the existing sidewalk that's there we just go into the driveway. I mean right now this this slope over
here is kind of steep. We could we we can show an access over here. Uh, one of the things we talked about was eliminating this parking stall here just to have this island a little bigger here. So, we can sort of try to make that work through this and bring it in here. But if that's something that the board requests, we can we can try to make it work. I think that was discussed
during the technical review process and I think that's uh must be Mr. Fowler's report, but there was discussion about Main Street townhouse residents if they wanted to get here, how would they safely get into the site and there was some discussion about having an additional connection between the Main Street sidewalk somehow getting to the building. And that's something we can
provide. Again, we have we have this one up here. There is a sidewalk that's going to be coming through. I think it's a Disney sidewalk over here. So, they can come in through here, but if you know the board would like us to provide an access over here, that's something we can do. I believe residents to the to the north, too, in a in a few months
after those buildings are complete. Yep. So, that would eliminate one parking space. One parking space. Yep. And and your your loading dock for the uh the uh store is is right there. Yep. This is it right here. This whole area
this whole striped area right here. Will a will a car be able to park there? No, it's not. I mean, not permitted. We're not allowing cars to park there. It's it's striped. It's got diagonal striping for to prevent parking there. There is parking across from it. No, it's parking across from it here and then adjacent to it over here and here.
But this whole area is is striped to prevent parking. What kind of trucks are you talking that's going to be loading? Um, small tractor trailer trucks. Um, you know, you know, we're anticipating trucks either the same size or smaller
than the tanker trucks that we have on we showing the circulations for. So, we feel that since if the tanker trucks are going to be able to circulate the site, the trucks that are going to be providing the loading and some of these other things like the the dumpsters uh shouldn't have any problem navigating the site either. and we'll coordinate with the fire chief as well just to make
sure that the the fire truck that they want to use here does circulate the site and we'll we'll provide a temporary template for that as well. Mr. Chairman, I think maybe the same concern about the tanker trucks and having offhour deliveries. I don't know if that's feasible with your Yeah, I mean that's something we're going to have to discuss.
I honestly don't know the hours of operation as far as the tanker truck deliveries. That's something they're going to have to testify to. You have an operations representative? Yes. One of the concerns I have is you if you have two or three tractor trailers show up at the exact same time, right? You
got a problem. No. I mean, again, the site's not designed for for tractor trailer parking. You know, the idea is not for them to park here. Uh we do have large parking spaces here, but these are meant more for sort of landscaping trucks with trailers. There's no real tractor trailer parking here. Um I'm
talking about tractor trailers that are going to be loading stuff into there. Well, I don't think that's going to be we'll have to talk about uh you know, we'll have we'll have them testify about that, but I'm not sure as far as how many trucks are going to be here at the same time to do deliveries. I don't know if that's going to be a problem or not. Okay.
What about signs? I think you briefly touched on signs. Can you get a little bit more specific where the signs will be? There are going to be building mounted signs to direct people uh for the fly through. We are going to have stop signs or stop bars at uh you know the intersection of all the driveway
areas. One thing that the you had mentioned during your review is you want to make sure that we have we inform people coming down crossman road here that they need to turn right here to get into the wall. So we do want to provide signage for that. We're going to be doing that as
well. Um but you have a sign that says how much the gas is and Oh, you mean the one? Yeah, we have the the actual uh yeah, the the the lit sign is going to be right over here. It's shown in that box right there. That'll show the gas prices. And that's this the normal the
Wawa sign you see at their entrances. Just the one sign over here. Yes, it'll be right at the corner. What about where the entrance is when you're coming off of Main Street? Well, you're not proposing a sign down here, I don't believe. No, you're not. Oh, no, we are. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah, there is a
sign right here as well. I believe this one's going to be a smaller one though. Smaller one with pricing also with pricing. And there is one up here as well. So there's three. There's three. I'm sorry. They they seem to be uh close to the the
property line. Are they They're going to be behind the property line here. They require a waiver of variance. Um I don't believe so. So I guess we we have to make sure that they meet the sight triangle requirements, but otherwise um I don't believe they uh they will require a variance. I believe it's a I
think it's a 10 foot minimum set. Yeah, I think we have that. Yep. We're showing and we're showing the landscaping around there. But yeah, from what I'm seeing here, we have 10 ft. And so what about lighting on the site? We are showing we have a lightning plan
prepared as part of the set. Uh we're doing it B with some building mounted lights here. And there's going to be pole mounted uh lights around the site over here. They're uh 20 ft high with LED light fixtures, but we have the lighting plan that'll show you the full distribution of the lighting on the
site. We have no bleeding going in here. We have no bleeding going here. We have maybe one.12 foot candles on Main Street to help illuminate this area as well. They'll be on all night long. Yes. It's open 24 hours, believe so. Yeah. So
they'll be on all and just a correction Mr. Chairman the minimum setback is for a sign is half of the front yard setback. So the front yard set back is is 100 ft. So the sign set back will be 50 ft. So so um you have you have 14 feet and 8.9 ft and
then you have I think 5 some odd feet for the crossman road sign. Okay. I think so. So, you would need variances for the uh setbacks and then the height, the maximum height would be is 10 feet. Okay. And I think you're proposing 20 for at least one of the signs. There was
no detail I could find for the other two signs. So, I wasn't sure of the height on those. Okay. I'll make sure you get those. And are there any signs on the building? Yes, there will be signs on the building. Yes, I do. Are they they
require variances? Are they within Yes, they require barren because in the industrial zone I think allows one sign 100 square feet and they have signs on all four sides of the building. They have a sign on the canopy. They have signs on the pumps. Uh so does they're far from meeting the sign uh
requirements. Be clear. It's three standing signals and one building sign. They have four I think it's one building sign of 100 square feet is allowed in the um industrial zone and they're proposing um
multiple ones. I had asked for the for this meeting that they provide you the details of how many signs and what variances they would need for the signs. I said I don't it's hard to tell exactly how many signs they have on the on the site between the building and
when the freestanding signs clarify. Yeah. Yeah, I'll provide sign details as part of the uh well I mean the board has to know what variances there are or not whether or not details you
know varian Just on my number seven in my report um on page four uh only one freestanding sign is permitted. I had while two are proposed there's actually three and only one building sign is permitted while signage is proposed on all four sides of
the of the convenience store on the gas canopy on the pumps requiring variances. The required signage vares should be listed on the plans and the general notes. So um This is the sign that we're proposing at the two drive.
Okay. And the one that's on the corner of Crossman and Main Street. I thought that was going to be your sign with uh the pricing. We have still drive. So is the one the two driveways is that
the one showing at 20 ft or is that the one up? Yeah, these are 20 ft and the bottom foundation is 7 ft by three. So 10 feet would be the maximum height. So the one at the corner of Crossman and Main Street then how high how high is that one?
Well, 320 ft. These two are 20 answer on that. Anybody watching that? Again, that might be a question we could speak to the wall because he would probably know better what they usually put on these sites that we're getting that information from
them. All three sides will be the area of the signs are also the same or what you're saying is the three signs that they're the uh Christ signs. They're going to be 20 ft.
I guess just a question that this 20 foot high on Crossman, the sign on Crossman Road, I'm not sure the purpose of that sign since really anybody that's coming in is going to be making a left from Main Street and they'll see the sign on the corner. Yeah. The the Crossman is a dead
end road. There's just a bus depot and an industrial facility across the streets. I'm not sure what purpose that's serving, but you may want to have someone just comment on that. Okay. Okay. So, what we just explained, they could they could do one and one. So, I
think it maybe they could do the 20 foot on Main Street. It would have to be the larger one on the main road on Main Street, but on the crossing side, they can just do a monument sign up 10 foot. So that would not be an elevator. It would just be a 10 foot pylon mon. They
could do that as as the gas prices that would price that. Yeah, that would be the same prices. The same question as the engineer I just had asked or comment he had made. You have a sign at the corner of Main Street and
Crossman with the pricing on it. You have a sign at the entrance on Main Street with the pricing on it. I think what we would do is we would eliminate the one on the corner. So, we eliminate the corner sign and have the the larger sign at the entrance here on Main Street
entrance near the entrance and the 10 foot sign monument entrance. So, so one sign would need a height, one would need a hike. the one on Main Street. The one on Main Street.
So, you're removing the one at the corner, which I think is probably a good idea because that's going to have red lights and signals and it's going to be it's going to be congested there with signs. Okay. So, I think that's a good idea. At least that's my opinion to to
move the sign away from the signaling aspect of the road. That's fine with us. So now we're talking two signs, correct? Two signs. 110 ft in height and 120 ft in height. Correct. Both at the driveways. Correct.
Main street 20 ft, Crossman Road 10 ft. Jay, in your report there was a lot of discussion about slopes and ponding. Mr. Chairman, I think that's technical items just has to do with the grading of the property in certain areas. I think that that's really clean up work on the plan.
Nothing that warrants real detailed discussion by the board. They've agreed to address the comments, but it can be resolved without any major issues. Correct. Yes, Mr. Chairman just um I had questioned the pedestrian cross access between the
site and the pedestrian uh the bus depot also. And when they come back sec second meeting they had said the bus people didn't want to provide it for security reasons but looking at the site and there is a gate there and the gate's kind of right in the the place where it
should be if you want to have cross access and the gate is locked. So it would seem that if they wanted to control it they could lock the gate you know when they close at 5:00 6 o'clock at night and then you wouldn't have an issue with people coming back and forth in the evening. So, and the other thing,
you have three spaces for larger vehicles. If the people at the bus depot are too lazy to walk all the way around to come in and drive the bus over instead, three spaces for larger vehicles aren't going to be uh quite enough. So what I like I'm just
proposing is that on your plan you show future possible cross access in a location where the crosswalk lining up where where the gate is and the buskeeper may find either because the employees are complaining or because they're finding a bunch of buses are sitting over on the Wawwa site in the
morning before they go out whatever that they would like to do the cross access. Again it's just a matter of locking the gate uh at the end of the day. Okay. That's I can discuss that with them. Sure. Again, it would just be a matter of you showing as as possible future
access without right as long and it turns out a year from now, six months from now, if this is approved that they want to go through with it, then you can go ahead and you make the improvement, you know, with the engineers coordination. Okay.
Yeah. And uh Jay or Mike, they're they're subdividing the lot. So right now it's a large one lot and they divide they're dividing it into two. Is there are there any issues that we should be concerned about that or is
that very simple straightforward other fact that the the lot for the Wawa is under size. It's supposed to be 10 acres is 3.22 I believe. Um and then they have a lot width issue I think also. Um so a
couple of variances for the the lot where the Wawa's going. uh the w the larger lot where the bus depot was. I think because you lost the front edge on Main Street, they wind up with a front setback variance on Crossman. But from that standpoint, I didn't see any issues. Jay could probably speak better
to the subdivision overall. No, I would agree. I I think that also you have a lot of environmental constraints to the rear of the Bus depot property. So when that was constructed, you couldn't shift it further back on the property. So they they basically worked around the environmental constraints and now the
leftover piece that has the frontage on Maine, that's what they're using for this property and it's a subdivision and you're resulting in some variances because of the lot size. So district would actually be that issue about the building and where it was located was part of what we testified to at the
planning approval to that building for the transit building that that did come up that it could not get shifted back. I think there was always intention to have another development take place in front of the site. There were different things talked about over the years. So I think it was always intended whether it be one single property and two different leases
or whether it be subdivided in a f in the future. I think it was always intended to have something else take place there. And this 10acre requirement is that because of the industrial zone that's really what the intention was. Yes. So the WAWA is more commercial. They would require a lot less area. Right. Correct. Okay. But this seventh
division has been approved. That's part of No, that's part of this application. Yeah. So, you'll approve that if you approve this application. Any other question chairman? Just so you're agreeing to my recommendations and comments. We'll call it as a future a future cross action, but I'm saying
all of the comments that are in my report. Yes. And then just I had a section uh with the zoning table where actually the you satisfy the lot depth because the on a corner lot the width is the shorter frontage and the depth is
the longer frontage. So if again when you resubmit if you can redo the zoning table I can work on it with you if you need me. But I tried to make it clear. Okay. In my notes if I could. Yeah. I think we we set it up where we're saying we're not calling out any any rear any rear yard here. It's only going to be side yards and front yards. Correct.
Well, no. You have a you have a rear the rear yard is opposite the draw to frontage. So let that be here. You have one you have one side yard one rear yard and then you have two fronts. Yep. So So you just have to change rear side front. Yes. Okay. And then I just had mentioned
the the canopy as a structure would need to meet the front yard setback and that's 100 feet. I think you have 70 something feet from the canopy. And then uh the same thing the trash enclosure is an accessory structure has to meet I think half of the required setback.
Okay. It need to be 75 ft. You've got like 5T. So those two things needed to be added. Okay. from any from any property line. The five feet um accessory use required to provide half the required sideyard setback. In this instance, the required side 75 ft.
The operation enclosure 2.5 ft from the property line. Got it. Okay. Right. Then there's something in the ordinance about the number of gas stations within certain miles that they're okay with that. We'll have our planner testify on
that as well. Okay. Craft enclosure, accessory structure, and canopy front yard. Are those being classified as variances or wave? I would call them variances setbacks. Both variances, right? So if if
the to the attorney and Mr. Chairman is if the board approves the application, I guess we could approve the sign package that the signs are being shown. But between now and the time the resolution is drawn, we have to know exactly what
the variances are you for all the signs. and I said, "I'm not sure there's something I can do because I can't really tell how many signs there, you know, are and what what they are. There's coffee cups on the building and other things that I uh I'm not really sure
of, if you follow what I'm saying. So, if the I think if you show the AR architectural plan, you can show all the signage that's on the building on the P, you know, on the canopy on the pumps area that he's talking about. I
think you mean the signs and directed on the approve approving the you know the signs as shown on the plan and then we need to between now and the time the resolution is perfected to list all the variances so the attorney can put that into the resolution.
Okay. Then the can there's a canopy sign. Correct. And then there's signs on the Wawa signs on the pumps themselves. There's the uh Shremer sign over here. Um, so that's going to be between basically right over the kiosk on each lane, but that is those are the only
signs. Well, obviously pumps here, but this is the only elevated sign that'll be on the canopy. And there'll be three of them. And another item, uh, there any outdoor seating and eating
areas, tables, benches? We we had talked about that with Wawa. That's something they, uh, were against as far as they've had issues on other properties where there's loitering going on, you know, people making deals, things like that in their uh, their sitting area. So, something they wanted to avoid. No,
there's not. There is not. Yes. What about inside? I don't believe there is. No, that would be a management. In my report, I just asked for one bench and a bike rack, you know, on the site at at an appropriate location. Okay, we can do that.
We talked about the tables someplace where people are gathered outside. But again, they said, "We had an issue with that." So if if if you agree that there's no tables then that means you can't install them in in the future without asking. Correct. Right.
You have any plans for the lot in the future? The young lots the lot with the building that's already constructed. Yeah, this is already constructed here. To the right. To the right. It's a lot of environmental constraints. To the left is the left of the left street. The
right is the transit. Yep. So when when this is subdivided, there'll be two owners. Well, there'll still be still be one owner, but the business the Wawwa and of the bus terminal, they're completely independent. Correct.
So the bus company is the one who owns all of the property and Wawwa is is leasing it. Bus company is also also that's a lease also. They also I see they were actually
it's High Point investor. He's a he's an owner. He used to live here in New Jersey. Now he lives in Florida but originally from here. Yeah. So he own he owns the entire he owns that whole entire thing and he's renting out both of them. Yeah. As a matter of fact, the transit was another location previously.
Yes. Right. So they they needed more space, a bigger area. That's what prompted this whole property being developed basically their need for the additional space. So that's what that you know brought them on site. You know, this was always the intention, as I said, even
though we were here the last time when we're having that approved, it was always intention to do something with the front, but at that time, we weren't sure of what you what we could do, what we would do at that point in time. So, this this came up as another opportunity. And you're saying that the lease is 50 years. Uh, no, I think this
one is I think it's 20 and I believe the the back one I think it was 20 as well, maybe even longer. I might have even some additional options because they they were a longterm pen at the other property. They were there many years and is 20 years. The 20. Yeah. I I don't
want to say sure, but I kind of remember 20 business. You want to proceed? Yeah. Question. I'll bring let's bring up the Thank you for your name. Good evening. Tell the truth. Nothing but
I do. Just if you state your name and your position. My name is Michael Redell. Reel. I am a real estate project engineer with Wawa. you're familiar with the site and what's planned with the site correct? Yes, I
am. So if you maybe you've heard the some of the question the board members had. I think the one big question was the fly through and how that operates. So if you can maybe explain that the board members. Sure. Um just a first a little background on myself. Uh in four
days will be my 27th anniversary at Wawa. I've been a real estate engineer, uh, getting approvals for new stores for most of that time. Uh, I was the engineer for most of the stores that are closest to here, South River, uh, Route
9 and Seville, Woodbridge, Edison. So, all around. So, I'm very familiar with operations and and what it takes to to build a Wawa. Um, having said that, Flythrough is new. So, Flythrough is new for us. Uh we've tested it twice. Um and
based on those tests and the popularity of the program, we're rolling it out at every location. Flythrough is a um a branded term that Wawa is using. U all it is is a mobile order pickup window as
Mark explained. So um our customers order on the app. uh they order ahead of time and they arrive at the store, they pull up to the window and and uh there's a there's an indicator like you you come
across as you enter the fly through lane. Uh there's a buzzer inside says that someone's at the window and associate will come over right away, get your order number and then bring you your order and then off you go. So that process takes about 30 seconds.
Um it's getting it's coming down as we get more used to it and but but we're doing really well. Uh Chipotle does it a lot. They call it Chipotle Lane and they're bestin-class uh in the industry. So we're trying to
catch up. Uh to your question, if you pull up there and and you didn't order and uh the the associate that comes to the window will ask you your order number and you maybe you'll say, "Well, I didn't order yet." Um they'll ask you to pull into a parking space, uh explain
how to order and so you can pull over, do that, and then then you'll be notified uh when your order is ready. On the app, you have the choice. Um I use app all the time. Um, and I use it for mobile ordering, uh, because one of the
test stores is near me, so I'm very familiar with this. Um, but you can order anytime at any Wawa on the app and then you walk in and pick it up. Uh, that's very convenient if you want to get other things that aren't available on the app. But, um, this is this is a
convenience that, uh, we think is just some another offer for our customers that don't want to get out of the car. or maybe they have kids in the car. Uh maybe they're just in a hurry. They've they've ordered on the way. They're don't really want to park and and go in
the store. So, that's that's what it's all about. Uh we provide stacking for I think it's at least three cars. We haven't seen more than two cars. Uh we don't expect to. If the stacking does get to beyond three where it it goes
into the drive aisle, um then you know we ask just like drive-throughs do. They ask you um the person at the front to go park and we would bring them their order. That hasn't been our experience. I don't think it will be because it's
just not a drive-thru. It's mo usually when people show up their their food or their drinks are waiting for them. So that's that is flyth through. Um if I didn't cover anything, you know, I welcome any questions. Okay. Tell me
again what the 302 window was. So that's when uh a car pulls up to the window within a a few seconds. Uh usually uh an employee will come over, ask you for your order number. You'll tell them your
order number and they they will take it off the shelf because there's a a rack right there that houses uh mobile order pickup and they'll hand it to you and and off you go. So that that span is is 30 seconds.
Um and sometimes it can be a little longer. Um if the water's not ready then uh perhaps it would take longer. Uh but again we monitor stacking. So, if if the stack if there are multiple cars waiting
and um say someone just ordered as they're driving onto the lot, they have someone in their passenger seat that just ordered five smoothies and then they pull up to the window. Five smoothies aren't going to be ready that quickly. So, we would ask that person to
to park at a designated spot. Um and again, that interaction would take 30 seconds, right? just like, "Oh, your order is not ready. Would you pull us pull aside? We'll bring it to you." But I can see in the morning especially,
um, multiple cars going in there. So, if I drive in, there's a bunch of cars in front of me. There has to be a backlog. Yeah. We're It We're not um unfortunately we're not Starbucks, you
know. You see that at Starbucks a lot. Um, I see it at Chick-fil-A. You were not Chick-fil-A, but it's very popular and a lot of cars go in there, right? And your order is not ready in 30 seconds. And then we would ask you to to
pull to the side. So, we've we do have experience with this. We've uh tested it uh at two two locations in New Well, one in New Jersey, one in Pennsylvania, and uh we we rarely have more than one car there at any time. Now, this is
Woodbridge you're talking about. No. Uh it's uh that's West Hampton in Burlington County is the test store and there's one in Langghorn, Pennsylvania. And for clarity, payment is not being made at the window. And then everything is done on the app. So
the only thing they're doing at the window is actually taking the order. Not even nothing picking up. Yes. Handing handing the order through the window. That's all that's happening. Thank you for the clarification. So when you order on the app, you have to pay before the
order will go through for fly through pickup. You also have a there's also because I do it a few times. There's a time. So it's not like everything's ready immediately. I'm sure your your algorithms, you know, you can do it 15 minutes. It tells you 15 minutes, 20 minutes. Yes. So, it staggers it. I'm
sure it's going to stagger it. Stagger it. You know, it's not going to let just everybody come in at, you know, 10 minutes from now the next 10 orders that come in. I'm sure you figured that out by now. And, um, you can imagine that, you know, Wawa's a successful business. We've been around a long time. We've
we've tested a lot of products. Things have worked. Things haven't worked. Um, and we want to keep that going. and having cars stacked out into the the driveway blocking circulation around the store is the last thing we want. So, we wouldn't we're not going to let that
happen, which is why we have the alternative that if stacking gets um you know, three cars, we're going to ask people to to park and we would bring them their order. I think in the beginning it'll be an issue. People will learn. It's going to
be an issue in the beginning. There's no doubt about it because, you know, they're learning. Those are all new people training. You know, we I you know, I didn't know what a fly window was or a fly dryfly window was. You know, you figure but it's a great concept. Thank you. Great concept. The only problem I have from a business
standpoint, far be it for me to tell W what to do, but your impulse items have to go have to drop exponentially, I would think. But well, that's not that's your business, not mine. Yeah. So, um, actually when people order on the app, they actually spend more
really than than people that go in the store. So, it's it's a it's a win-win as long as you're coming to Wawa then. Are they limited to the number of items? I mean, can they get a jar of peanut
butter or uh the app has some of like candy bars, sodas, um they will, you know, go out into the store and gather, but it's not the full it's it's not everything. I don't think you can get beef jerky or peanuts or if you want
those things, you just you'll park and food items, please. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And you only have one window, am I correct? Yes. One window. Yes. I don't think I didn't. So, there is a there is a B bypass lane.
That's why there's two lanes here. It's not like a Chick-fil-A where they have two lanes and people picking up in both lanes. This is just a bypass in case someone comes in here by accident and they they real like they intended to come around the corner and they turn in
here. Uh we don't want customer frustration that they have to wait for this to clear out to leave. So we have this this second lane is merely a bypass lane for that rare customer that that
goes in there by accident. I'll give you a hypothetical situation. And you get somebody who has an app and and they phone it in and they go in and when they get there, they get the order, they say, "Geez, I made a mistake. I
wanted six instead of five." What what what do they do then? Well, in that in that case, we would ask them probably to come in the store. We would say, "Well, here your here are your options. You can pull to the side. You can do a second order for the the items that you forgot
or come on in, order at the screen and and go through that process. Okay, I can move on to the myriad of other questions that people have. No. When ordering on the app, it is excluded from tobacco
products and electronic cigarettes. I don't believe there's any cigarettes on the app. Okay. Yeah. I don't think by law. I I don't want to speak to that, but but yeah. Um, no. No. Thank you. Did you say that
when you place your order on the app, you get notified when your order is ready or you just come when you think your order is ready? Um, so what I've been told is that um as as this uh the software is developed,
you'll be told when your order is ready. I'm not sure that's available now or not. When I've used it, I never look at that anyway. So that's why I can't say. I just order and go and it's there. Mine pops up. So just to give it mine pops
up. It says, you know, your order's ready. Okay. Yeah. I don't know how you guys. Yeah. So the soft you can't just go in 10 seconds. It's not ready. So the soft Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. So the software is there. This shouldn't take long at all. the the
the water's on a rack there. There's a window right here. Car pulls up. You hand it to them and away they go. Right. Correct. So 30 seconds sounds you're probably thinking like how how is this happening in 30 seconds? That's how it's it's there. It's ready. It's um just passing through the window.
And I think that's why I asked the question for me just trying to first time I'm coming across it is you think of it driving you're coming up to the window placing an order and paying for the order then picking up the order. in this are just picking up paying the order. It's all done. Correct. Does the
app specify that? That was my question. Is it on the app that it says this is not a driveth through a drive up order, you know? Yeah. So, you're ordering um you'll have an option of instore pickup or um or fly
through and you select fly through and and then you you'll know that you're picking up at the window. Didn't you have a a Wawa in Woodbridge, correct? Oh, yeah. A couple. Didn't you just last week uh appear
before the planning board to for a uh fly through window? Yes. So, we're adding So, I that wasn't me. I just do new stores, although I did that the approval for that store when it was new. Um we have a team that's going in and
retrofitting open stores to add the fly-through window and that was approved in Woodbridge. So, you're you're starting to do this with a lot of the Waw Wa stores. as you're adding these flythroughs everywhere. So, this this is this is the
new Waw Wa that this it's going to take us a while. We have over a thousand stores, but every new store will have it. And then we have a team that's going back and and putting it into older stores where where it can fit. It can't
fit everywhere, especially with older designs where it wasn't a you know, it wasn't just not room for it. Is the Wawa in South River? Well, at the base of South River Bridge, is that staying open? No. No. So, this is this
is that's one of your busiest stores. It's It is. So, you know that store? It's been there 45 years. Uh and that is our older model. So, that's that's what we're replacing. We've been replacing for as long as I've been at Wawa. Um
trying to uh upgrade our facilities. So, you know, how small that is, how tight the parking, uh, it's not our full offer inside. Uh, this this store will have public restrooms. Um, it won't have seating, but it will have, uh, public
restrooms and, uh, fuel, of course, and and much more parking and and fly through. So, we had under contract for many years uh a a site out by the uh the church um
and the where the Bass Pro the Epic Church and the Bass Pro were. We're actually going to go right next to the Epic Church and that fell through. Um I like this location better because it's it's closer to town, you know, town
we've been serving for a long time. So, um, to be closer, I think that's that's better. So, the store the store by the bridge in Serville is going to close and this new one is going to replace it. Is that what you're saying? Yes, sir. And it'll
happen the same day. So, we'll we'll uh we'll turn the lights on in this one if we're approved. And same time, we'll we'll shut the lights off there. And what are you going to do with the building? To rip it down? Uh I believe we own it and we would sell it. So if
any owned uh property like that we would sell. I see. Question. Would you have any objection for signage to be installed near that fly through? Maybe uh do not block parking spaces. Do not block circulation aisle. If if cars are to this point,
please enter the store. Things like that to keep because that's that's a main circulation path. And if your cars are blocking that circulation aisle, that's a problem. or if they are wrapped around the corner blocking parking spaces, that's a problem. Uh yeah, I think we can we can come to some agreements. So,
there will be a sign uh just like a you know, an on-site sign that says fly for fly through customers only. Um, you know, are you thinking maybe like a this is striped is a do not block the box maybe or that that's a possibility.
Something to make people aware that they shouldn't back out and block that circulation right away or wrap around the building and block the parking places, right? Like if you're part if if you're right here, go around, right? Some or come into the store something to
that effect. But but even like you say, just do not park in this area. uh do not block the box as you called it. Something to try to keep people from not parking in that area when they're waiting on that fly through line. Okay. Uh I'll take that back. We'll come back.
We'll propose it on the next set of plans and um I think we can accommodate that. Thank you. How many cars can go from the main street entrance around to that pickup window? Uh around here. Yes.
I I have no idea. Um it would have to be 20 or more. Then that the only way that's ever going to happen is if we we have COVID protocols again in a pandemic and people
don't go into stores and they drive-thrus you saw during that time stayed open because you know and nobody expects or wants that to happen anytime soon. How many employees do you have in the store? What's the maximum at the at the
store? There'll be 12 uh at the the peak shift. There's three different shifts. Um you know, roughly u 6 to 2, 2 to 10, and then the overnight shift. We have adequate parking for those
employees. That's part of your plan. Yes, we do. Uh so we have like I said over a thousand stores almost a thousand of these fuel stores and uh the parking that we've provided
here is very typical. Um I could speak also to the conversation about truck circulation. This site is designed uh as a with our standard requirements. They're very generous. The drive valves
are generous. There's 10 x 20 spaces. There's uh foot parking spaces. There's um the dimensions aren't on here, but they should be in excess of 30 ft or 20 I'm sorry, in excess of uh 25 ft. It
Yes. So, they're 30 ft lanes. So, you go on most uh most other uses of this type, they're going to be tighter uh and and harder for trucks to circulate. Um, we um I think there was some discussion here about the the
tightness of the canopy. Was that a question that came up? So, so this so we're our canopy is designed so that if there's a car fueling here and a car fueling here, someone can go between them. And that's
another thing you don't see everywhere. So, we go to the extra expense of making this larger so that uh there's comfortable circulation through the canopy. I could speak to the the lease. It's a 20-year initial term followed by
six five-year options for a total of 50 years. um EV. So, you'll see at the Woodbridge store, there's there's a ton of Tesla chargers there. We have EV at a lot of
uh our our stores, but we don't we don't own the EV. We we um have third parties, Tesla, uh Electrify America, Iona. So, we offer our sites to them and we say,
"Well, here's a site. Would you like to put EV on it?" And and if we find someone interested, that's how we do that. We are complying with the the state statute that requires that um you know, it's usually either one or
two make ready positions are available. Make ready means we run the conduit and it's ready. um if and when it's ever required. Um but you know, it's very possible that Tesla or or another uh EV
provider will be interested and they'll they'll want to go on this site. Um I can go on to truck deliveries if you like. All right. So there's five different kinds of deliveries. Uh let's
we talked about the um the fuel deliveries. So those are on demand as Mark said. So you know as the fuel gets to a certain level in the underground storage tanks there's an alarm that goes off and then uh fuel is dispatched to the site. Uh that could that's probably
going to happen about once per day. Uh that whole operation takes about 30 minutes. It's gravityfed. So the the truck tractor trailer as he said will pull over this area. They'll um put the
nozzle uh connect it and then uh release the fuel and it's you know it takes 15 20 minutes for that to happen. It's just gravity fed into the into the tanks. I think the concern was more during
your, let's say, a lunchtime hour or breakfast hour when you're the busiest and if you're trying to get a tanker truck through the site because they've got to maneuver driving over certain aisles to get to that point. Is there a way to control that so that doesn't happen? Um, so all of our our truck
deliveries um know to not come on the site during uh peak hours. Uh that's not to say exceptions don't happen. Uh if if there was a case where say someone parked a truck with a trail, you know, like with a towing a boat or a
landscaper, the the truck uh the delivery truck is is just going to wait until it's their turn uh until they can get in there. But, you know, we try our best uh to keep all deliveries coming off peak there. As I said, there are
five kinds of deliveries. We control uh three of them very tightly. So, uh dairy uh delivery is delivers our milk, ice cream, uh iced teas, um and that those those come
uh about three times a week uh in a WB50 tractor trailer. They're going to park right here. Uh the delivery door is is right here. So, they're either going to drop out the back or or on the side. Um we have fresh channel which is our
baked goods, breads, pretzels uh and those come daily and usually that's a nighttime delivery. Uh we have uh MLAN uh which is uh provisioning. So they they deliver
the bulk of the products to the store that aren't uh vendor deliveries and they're also two to three times a week also off peak. So those three we can we control. They'll have a a time that they show up here that's going to be very consistent over time and they know not
to come during our our peak hours. Uh vendor deliveries are uh we have some control over vendor deliveries. So Coke, Pepsi, Tasty Cake, um those types of deliveries, they come
um you know as needed on the on a route. So, they'll be delivering to other places in town and nearby towns and uh they'll stop at the Wawa. They'll probably park here. And we we ask them to not come to Wawa during our peak hours as well. Uh we have less control
over them because they're, you know, independent companies, but we do we do ask um and we do have some leverage because we have so many stores that they they deliver to. I think there was a a some question
about lighting. So, our lighting is is very good. It's LED, all down lit. Uh everything um I I'm not going to speak to foot candles and all that, but uh we're very proud of our lighting. That's um it's state-of-the-art as is
everything on the site. Uh this trash enclosure will have a compactor um and a shed inside. This is a little shed that keeps our uh some of our power washing equipment, that kind of thing.
Um all the fuel equipment uh associated with our uh fuel offer is all state-of-the-art. Um the underground storage tanks are doublewalled um tanks with uh the the space between
the tanks is monitored. It has a brine solution in it. And we have uh monitors that go not only to the store but to headquarters. So if any of the alarms go off uh related to the the fuel um it's
sounded right away not just at the store but at headquarters. So um and New Jersey is great love it or not that we have fuel attendants. So, uh, as far as incidents, uh, uh, related to the fuel, uh, are
minimal because we have professionals that are are putting the the gas into the tanks or into the cars. What is your definition of off peak hours? What's your definition? Well, it's probably easier to say peak
hours. So um you know 6:00 to 8:00 in the morning um 11:30 to 1 uh is the lunchtime and then uh a lighter peak in the afternoon uh 4 to 6 is uh is more
fuel and and people grabbing maybe milk uh or or a dinner item. I I guess my my question I should have clarified it better. the the uh the fuel tanks, you know, what would be the hours off peak that they would be
filled up. As I said, that the the tanker trucks are going to come as needed, but they're aware of our peak times and they're they're asked to avoid them and typically they will avoid those peak times. Um they can't always, you know, they're going from one store,
they're going back, they're getting fuel, they're going to another one. It's a non-stop operation all day for them. So, um there may be times when they come uh during a peak time, but we we try to avoid it uh but we can't all
the time. And your employees on the midnight shift. Mhm. How many employees do you have on the fuel part and on the store part on those midnight hours? We typically will have four associates working overnight. Uh there could be
three. Uh there's usually one to two um at the fuel canopy and at least two inside. So every site's a little different in just the demographics and how busy it is overnight. I suspect the
store is not going to be busy overnight, but um you know, we'll we'll have to wait and see. Once it's open, um, then we'll our manager will will manage the labor. So, your minimum is two and two. Yes. Well, like I said, three as a
minimum. So, it could be one outside uh and two inside. Any other question? Chairman, just quick fly through. You had said there were more than three cars that you would send the car forward to
park and bring the order out. Will there be a camera so the person inside the window can see that there's more than three cars out there? Uh, how would they know? Uh, we do we do have a camera on. I'm not sure directionally what it shows, but we do
have a a camera in the store that shows this lane. I'm not sure where it's visible. So, in other words, if if associates at the window uh serving someone um is that monitor right there that they can see it? I I don't
know that. Um we actually haven't built one of these yet. You could say that though you would have a monitor there for the person at the window so they they would know that the person looking for their water should move forward so the cars don't stack up
out the drive. Yeah, we can I can provide an answer on how how that will be handled, but um that's it's a good point, just not tonight. I'm not I I just have to look
at where that um that monitor is. Are you going to put these uh flythroughs in all of your your wawas if you if you can do it? Yes. Yes. So all all of our this is our our new model.
This is uh what we're getting approved everywhere and and it does have flythroughs. So thank you. Uh that's this is our the exhibit with our building. Um, and here is the the fly through
pickup window right here. So, you're going to you're going to possibly put them in the one on Route 9 in Serville and put one there and the one in East Brunswick on uh Well, that's
uh I'm not a part of that group that's going back and retrofitting just like with the one in Woodsbridge that just was approved. I'm not involved in that, but we do have a team that is is going uh one by one to retrofit stores where it's possible. So, they'll look at the
site plan and see if it is possible. Uh it's not it's not just the site, you know, the the circulation has to be right. There has to be room, you know, on that side of the building to put the fly through. Uh I think that's going to
be a much slower process trying to retrofit, but we are doing it. Sometimes a drive-thru requires a variance that that's a trigger. Is this considered a drive-thru as far as a variance is concerned?
I don't believe so. Well, I did not see there an issue with the drive-thru the site. Again, it's an industrial zone, so the industrial requirements. I didn't see anything that prohibited the drive. I could have
missed the mobile order pickup window. Um, but I take your point. There were a lot of variances more than usual with this because of the zone. Um, but I think we're we're ideally suited for an industrial zone because we
it's an amenity for for that zone. Okay. I have a question. Your report that you made, all of the issues that are on here, uh, they've been taken care of, resolved.
They haven't been yet, but the applicant's engineer indicated he would revise the plans to address all the comments in the report with exception to the different waiverss that he discussed. So, as a condition of any approval, it would be subject to them providing revised plans to address all the conditions in my report as well as
Mr. Fowler's report. And you understand that that if we approve this, it it's conditions on the engineer's report. Yes. I I'm trusting our engineer that agreed to do that. I'm not I'm not the
design engineer. So if he agreed that storm water uh would be fixed if it's broken the parking lot grading they want to have a minimum of 75% a couple%
72% those areas slightly spot rating um a couple of clarifications for the overall stone design but I think otherwise the stone design itself I think Jason so I can I tell you maybe I should started with this. So the relationship
that we have with the applicant, they are the developer and this is how we uh seek approvals for 95% of our locations. The developer owns a property or they get under agreement to purchase the property. Uh they negotiate a lease with
Wawa. Once that's executed, then they they're responsible to obtain all approvals um uh municipal approvals except for building permit and health department. And then once they obtain those approvals, they will clear the site.
They will bring it to grade uh compact it and put in all the storm water infrastructure, bring utilities to the site, and then they walk away. And then we come in and we spend millions of dollars to go vertical. So everything, all these improvements you see here
above ground, Waw Wa will take over and we'll do that. So we we come in near that the end of their approval process um and get our building permits, Board of Health, sign permit, those kinds of things at the building department. Uh
and then we start building. They are they are responsible for on the approval side to meet our specifications. So we gave them all of our WAWA specifications. That's how they were able to to design the site with 30 foot drive aisles and 10x20 parking
spaces. This looks exactly like a Wawa should look in my opinion. So um when they say that they can comply, what they're saying is they can comply with Wawa standards as well as the township's requirements. satisfied with this check. Yes, Mr.
Chairman. That's subject to future reviews by our office, but they're indicating they can comply. Are you? Yes, Mr. Chairman. Any more questions? Anyone? Just out of curiosity, how did Wawa get its name? Was it the goose? It was the goose. It was a goose. Lenny, the lenapy Indian
word for goose is wawa. Um, and that's where we got it. And our mascot is a goose. Sure. I'll be here all night if anything else comes up. Good job. Can I drop the mic?
They'll charge us. Thanks. All right. Just we'll do some brief planning testimony as well. Yeah. I do. Okay. Can you please say your name to the board and your position? Sure. Uh
it's Christopher Nuser and is a Nancy USSR the planner this evening uh with French and Prolo Associates. Um I am a licensed professional engineer and planner of the state of New Jersey. Both those licenses are in good standing. I
graduated from Ruckers University in 2006 with a bachelor's of science and civil engineering and have been practicing in land use both planning and engineering since uh and have been accepted before over boards in the state of New Jersey in those capacities.
We we re we can proceed. Thank appreciate it. Um I think there's a we added a little bit here to my my outline. So if I get a little chaty I apologize some additional pieces of relief here. Um as I have it I always
like to start with what that relief is. Um so to planner just to make sure we're on the same page when you're talking about the lot area at 3.22 22 acre 10 is required. A lot width of 165.9 ft. The
500's required. The depth is acceptable. And that is for lot A, the lot that the Wawa will be on. Um we have various relief for the signage including
the height of Pylon along Main Street at 20 ft. the fact that there are two pylon signs where one is permitted, the four building building mounted signs um where again one is permitted and the
signage that is on the fuel island on the underneath the canopy again is a little bit difficult with paper signage. Yeah.
Right. Right. And I think as presented, I think that just generally so we're well in general understanding understanding that we'll provide some additional information to the board on what definitive numbers are in sizes and compliance. Um but just generally so we
can speak about it. That's what that signage pertains to. Uh we have the trash enclosure being an accessory structure uh where it would be required to be half side. 25 ft. I believe it's
75. It's It needs to be 75 ft. Whatever. If it's the sideard. Yeah, the
sideard could be 37. Okay. um where it's proposed at see number again 2.5 ft off of the southern property line towards the bus depot and then the canopy uh is
within the front yard both of both um main street and side street and FL just for the purpose of the record so we're clear. Um to Crossman it is at
56.9 ft and to the new rightway line on Main Street 86 5T. I think that's was there anything else linkwise that you had written down with that cover.
Um so want to take a holistic approach and look at this site as a as a whole all the variances kind of together. So um you know first I want to start with the positive criteria um the bulk
variances none of these are really hardships right nothing we're subdividing a lot creating a lot we can't make a hardship when we do that we're building features in here yes there are some constraints on this lot environmentally
um but realistically I think we should view these all in the context text of a C2 variance where project advances at least one purpose of the mutual land use law and the benefits of the relief outweigh the detriment. We'll talk about the um
purposes that are advanced in a second, but really looking at the bulk variances generally the ones that relate to the lot, the lot area, the lot width, right? We're deficient in size. We're deficient in width. And I think the board already
kind of had a bit of a discussion about this already that this is a WAW, right? It doesn't need a 10acre property. It would still develop on the same footprint. They have their standards. This is what it would look like. There would just be six and a half or six and 3/4 more acres that would be
undeveloped. Um that you know again doesn't result in a larger facility but underutilized land. Um it's a standard for an industrial zone where you permit this in your B2 and B3
zone districts. And in your P3 district, you only require a 20,000 square foot lot and 100 ft of width. Um, where again, we're well in excess of the lot area and do exceed what that width requirement would be and a place where
you would allow such a use. So, my opinion, it's a it's an appropriate size and appropriate relief for what the use is because again, I think they're they're tied together. and say we should create this and put a warehouse on it that wouldn't be appropriate.
Um, as it comes to the signage, I think really when we look at the signage that having additional signage, having fuller signage, the the the real drivers for that are for safety, to be able to see
the site, for approaching motorists to know where to go, um, to have consistency between stores, right? Every Waw Wa is signed the same. That's why this is their sign package. They provide the, you know, signage as they put it up on their buildings. It helps people
identify the facility as they're coming to it. I know what LA looks like. And when I see that signage, it helps direct you into it. So, you you want to have that that signage again for that for that reason. Really, in an industrial
zone, you don't have necessarily passing motors coming in, right? you have deliveries coming in, you have a trailer coming in, um you have employees coming and going, but you don't have a retail sales component. So, um you know, having
multiple freestanding signs um isn't something that um you would put in the zone. I would note that for service stations, the sign requirements for service stations do allow for two
freestanding signs. Um so really this isn't inconsistent with other portions of your ordinance where you know for this type of use it is something that you you plan for. It's just the fact that we are in this
industrial zone and there's a different standard and I think with good reason it's a different standard. um as it goes to the trash enclosure. The trash enclosure really is a um it's an impact upon ourselves in a way.
Again, the same property owner owns both of these properties. Um it's only closer to the bus depot. Um and it's in the the rear of the site close to the regulated buffers. That's a gated area of the bus
depot where they're they're storing um soaring vehicle. So, you know, the impact upon the neighboring property is um it's pretty diminous. Uh you know, and I think there's an advantage to having this pressure closure tucked away
into the back of the site. So, it's less visible to anybody driving by, even people coming in and out of the site. If you're if you're coming in and going to that front entrance on the store, then it's nothing to do. push down. There we go. That's way
point. And if you're coming in off of Main Street and you're using this front entrance here, you're going to um you know, are you even going to see the trash? You're probably not. So, I think there's a a visual benefit to placing it tucked away in the back of the site. Um
and then finally, the canopy. Canopy is not meeting the front yard. Um again, this is the standard 100 ft. It is an industrial zone. Uh so you know generally speaking in industrial zone you want larger steps you have larger buildings and taller heights. So you
want that further away from the road so they don't have such an imposing feel. This is the canopy. Um it's not a walled structure. It doesn't have the same impact on the um on the street on the streetscape. um you know doesn't have the same visual impact that you would
have from you know a 40 foot tall manufacturing building. Um and so I think it it's appropriate the location of it. Um again just calling back to your D3 zone district this would be
allowed your standards there at least front yard is 50 feet which this would ultimately comply with. So again, um, on that, I think it's given the the layout of the lot
and, um, the fact that what the uses versus what the zone is and what the standards are as they relate, I think it's a an appropriate location for that um, for the structure to the use variants. The board
may grant a use variants where special reasons exist. These are known as the positive criteria. In this case, special reasons are that the property is particularly suited for the use and that the project advances at least one purpose of zoning. Um, in my opinion,
this property is particularly suited to the proposed use. We are located on a county road uh on a corner lot. It gives us access to a signalized or a signal control side street. the property is located in industrial zone which again is something that is generally your
highest impact area, right? This is where you allow manufacturing and um industrial processes to happen and you try and keep it away from your other uses. And so this use is in that sense less intense from a from an impact
standpoint. Biggest thing I think that you would look at difference-wise is from a traffic standpoint. And as you heard from the testimony, um the the the road Main Street can handle the the traffic that would be generated. And this testified to a lot of the uh
traffic coming in and out of the site is pass by trips. So there are trips that people that are already on the road that are coming through the area that are going to stop, get their coffee, get their fuel, get a sub, whatever it may be, and then continue on their way. So it's not necessarily a new trip that's
been added to the road. was one that was already present u in in traffic flow. We also note that at a county corner across the street ling on this one that there is
already retail uses in here across the street. So this is a foreign use within this zone. Um, one other thing to to note about it too is that and it came up earlier
about your conditional uses for service stations. And one of them is that you can't have more than three gasoline service stations within one linear mile of each other. So along the
road. And in this case, there's none. There's no gas stations within a mile. So, you have people traveling, you know, that would be traveling along this road, it' be you guys and you need gas and where do you
go, right? Okay, I'm going to go hop on the Parkway, but I need gas first. You have to deviate from the route and you're putting traffic in other places because there isn't an opportunity along Main Street in this whole portion of the burrow for gas. So you're we're adding
in um service that actually helps the overall community by keeping traffic those pass by trips in this place instead of sending them somewhere else to another location to get
fuel. So to the purposes of zoning I think luckily they all stay the same. Um there are three that um I've identified. Uh the first is purpose A which is to
encourage municipal action to guide the appropriate use of development of all lanes in the state in a manner that will promote public health safety and also general welfare. Um there's a couple ways. Number one, the the sites being redeveloped over top of what was as we
discussed right before contaminated site. Um this is part of the ongoing remediation efforts on the site is to provide the cap on here. Uh and so this site is helping to um again remediate
this this property. Uh and the second would be again to the signage uh providing you know, efficient and sufficient way finding into the site so people can find their way here. Um, we don't want people
making a left turn out of Main Street, but at the same time, we don't want people making a left turn in because they've missed it um and they're trying to turn across traffic. We want people to know where it is and to be able to efficiently get in, get what they need,
and and move on without creating issues. So, you know the signage helps to promote that. Uh the other two would be provide sufficient space in appropriate locations for a variety of uses which is
purpose G and then purpose H to encourage location and design of transportation routes which promote the free flow of traffic while discouraging location of such facilities and routes which result congestion. So again, this goes back to the location
of of other gas stations in in this area of the burrow that you're providing for a need in this area. You're providing for misuse in this area where there isn't a location on here. Um again, the fueling station,
it's B2B3 and um the closest B2B3. This is B2, I believe, right here. right along uh this portion of Main Street and then um kind of in the area where they had discussed that they had been looking to put site over
by the church over there there's some D3. So, there's really a a big gap in there where there isn't an opportunity to put that. Um, but again, we're we're giving an opportunity for motorists that are already on the road that are in this
area have the convenience of the store and of the gas station um which will promote better traffic flow and reduce the likelihood of congestion elsewhere. Uh as you know every variance needs to satisfy not only the positive
but also the negative criteria for the negative criteria must be found that the project does not create substantial detriment to the public good or create a substantial detriment to the zone plan and zoning orders. The proposed project will not result in a substantial detriment to the
public good. As we discussed um is less intense than the permitted uses within the zone. you know, this industrial district. It has no features that would create a nuisance. Um any um there's no substantial impact to
traffic, storm water. Uh there's no negative visual impacts from the site. Um you know, I think there was some discussion about lighting, the intensity of lighting. Again, we're in an isolated industrial district. We don't have any
residential uses next to us. There's no sensitive receptors around this property where, you know, you have somebody at home or something like that where they could be impacted by um by any of those um any of those potential detriments
from from the site. Not again that there are any. Uh the lighting is as you can see in the plan sufficient and um with the site without creating impacts. In my opinion though, the fly through lane will allow the site to
operate more efficiently without creating on or offsite impacts. Um, little aside, uh, when they put a Chipotle in out where I live, they put in one of these Chipotleans and I sat there and thought, "Holy cow, somebody's
going to sit here and order a burrito and then wait for the thing to get made and pick it up at the window. That's going to be a disaster." And it's the same thing. You order on the app and it's great. I order on the app. I leave my house. I get down to Chipotle. They tell me what time it's going to be there. I pull up to the window. They
hand it to me. Then I move on. Um I do it quite often. I don't know if I crowded that or or what, but um I will say I've and again this is the Chipotle version, not the Waw Wa version. I've never sat
behind another car at the window. I've pulled up behind another car that's leading as I've pulled up, but I've I've never um I've never waited. Um when I pull up to the window, I don't sit there long. There's always somebody that comes,
gives you your item, and you move on. This is the same um same scenario, the same type of situation, not your traditional again drive-thru, just a pickup window. It's an added convenience. Um and if the law by me has
it had it or gets it. Um I'm sure I'll be using that as well. Um when it comes to a substantial detriment to the zone plan of the zoning ordinance, um it's my understanding that
the burough is pursuing redevelopment of the site which would actually allow this use within um on this property. So, while we have um maybe I wouldn't say jumped the gun,
while we're trying to get this project moving forwards um and not waiting for the statutory time frames that kind of can bog down a redevelopment. Um the fact that this this use is being
um is being contemplated by the by the burrow uh shows that it wouldn't have a substantial detriment to the zone plan or master plan. I think irrespective of that um what this use is and the offers that it gives
to the the burrow would would not um result in any substantial. I think finally we need to look at because a use variance um the Medici standard for the enhanced quality
of proof where we must reconcile that the proposed use was omitted from the ordinance. Now in an industrial zone you would not expect to have a Wawa. You would not expect to have retail. You wouldn't expect to have um a gas
station. And for the most part in an industrial zone, it's not appropriate. I think my opinion that for this site in its very specific um situation, the location again, the
site suitability that we talked about that it makes sense where it wouldn't elsewhere, which would be reason to admit it. You wouldn't want it at the end of Crossman uh you know where everybody's coming down to a culde-sac and and turning around. That wouldn't
make sense. But along the county road, that's where it makes sense. So omitting it from the ordinance, you know, and from the industrial zone makes sense. Um but again, I think also allowing it in this
location equally makes sense as well. So um on the whole um it's my opinion that the relief that is requested can be granted without substantial detriment to zone plan master plan or the public good um sorry
uh that the um benefits of the relief that's being requested uh which results in um development of this site you know the addition of all the things that we've talked about um what will be a very attractive need. Um as you can
hear, wellun site um outweigh any of the detriments that may come from granting of the variance. Yes. Okay. Oh yeah, you're right. 50 ft, right? They should be 50 ft, right? And
I think the the thought on that is if the sign was back 50 ft, it would be in the middle of the site. And again, for the same reasons, you wouldn't be able to see it on a retail site. You want to have those signs closer to the road, an industrial site, different story. Um,
but on a site such as this, you want to have it in a prominent location where safety say, it's visible. I'm paraphrasing, but you said that building this on top of the contaminated site is beneficial in what way? So, it's
it's capping the site, which is preventing people from um accessing what is contaminated below it. Generally speaking, as part of any remediation effort, you put controls in place. Um, be it engineering controls or
institutional controls and institutional control would be a deed notice, a restriction on a property um against say residential development, something like that because art is contamination. An engineering control is putting in place a
barrier on the site so that you can't get into what may be impacted. So um a building pavement you know parking areas um you know even the basins with a liner in it and appropriate separation and a
soil barrier in there those are all presumptive remedies for contaminated site. So you know by putting this in place it's putting engineering control on top of the site. I don't know about the
specifics, but I know of a development that went up and then they found that the groundwater was contaminated and building on that site did not help the problem and it's so the engineering control
isn't about solving a groundwater contamination issue, right? The site has a groundwater contamination issue. for testimony on that and then there's ongoing remedial efforts in the form of I believe it was um injections in there to stimulate the
degradation of those chemicals. Um it's about keeping a separation for the public from being able to be impacted by those um you know by whatever that contamination is. That's what the
engineering control is. It's a barrier. Um, it's not a it's not the remedy. It's a protection layer. I always thought that it had to be remediated before you could build. Well, in this case, I think the
testimony was that the soils are clean. uh there is some residual groundwater issues that they are actively working on finishing up and that they have um clearance from their LSRP that there is no concern to them constructing on the
site. I mean you don't necessarily have to have the site 100% clean to be able to redevelop on it. A lot of times the redevelopment is part of the remediation effort and this was the case for the first transit site uh bus depot as well. bus depot service site. There is ground
work that currently they're beneath the site and on the site we have access ports where they go in and do their injections in the pavement. So this is all happening at the same time as the time I not the LSRP I know they're happening
but I I couldn't give you any sort of it's something it's not an exact date it's something they monitors that they continually check contamination to see what the impacts of the contain of their their injections are and you know kind of proceed on based on that but it's definitely for a number of
years that's going on on the first trans I've done some remedial work in past bit um but the thing with it is especially with groundwater contamination is not and
that you can staff in clean soil you can pull out and you can clean it. The ground water always takes a little bit more time. So, it's a it is a bit of a process. They're in the process um of doing it. Again, they're doing everything that's necessary and required by the state. They have the right
professionals sitting there looking at it, making sure that it's all done safely. Um but yeah, I mean, as Mark said, it's a process. From the legal standpoint, no one tells us they're the ones who make the
decision prior to remediation and be happy to report and eventually satisfy you part of the cap is also preventing a lot of work as far as our
site actually getting to the ground and contributing to that ground. So, you know, that's one of the roles like that. Uh but yes, as Chris was mentioning, you know, kind of developing a site is part of the remediation process to put that gap in while the warrior treatment is
coming. The soil treatment, the soil treatment has already taken place. The soil has been removed from the site was need to be removed. I'm familiar with residential oil tank leaks. That has to be remediated 100%
before anything is done. It's not that you can do anything until it's completely resolved. And I guess that's what I'm surprised with this. Yeah, that's a different kind of contamination. Yeah, the LSRP has given
clearance to build on the site. I in my distant past of um doing remedial work, I did a lot of oil tank remediation and I mean people will transact properties and that legacy
contamination will will still be there and people will have escros and their insuranceances will take care of it. So there can be transactions that happen. People can sell property even when that I don't find that to be the case. I've many cases dealt with a new
homeowner. Um, in fact, the attorneys uh will tell you never to buy that house if there is an oil leak. That's and they're advising the buyer. No, I I understand. And but again in in this
case I think you know what it is you know there is a LSRP which is a licensed professional in remediation that has looked at this has said it is okay that this is part of that remedial well it's also one reason it can't be residential that's why it can't be used for
residential that's another that makes it completely different a home or a building or even condo for let's say would be Any other questions? Did anybody have any questions on the traffic that weren't answered by Mark?
If not, really don't need to call anyone else, but if you have any specific questions, We'll be providing a full report to the board. Mr. I I don't believe so. I think as I indicated, county road, county jurisdiction, the county has a project that's going to improve this
intersection. They may have to modify the signal timing because of this use, but that'll be coordinated with the county. So, I don't really see a need for that presentation this evening. We have application and we have application as well. What about circulation on site?
Are you okay with the circulation on site, Jay? The only issue we had was with the fly through lane and I think based upon the testimony provided and and possibly some additional signage, I think that's probably about the best you can do because there's really not a lot of background on how they operate. But I think after the explanation was
provided, we're a little more comfortable with what the intention is. I think honestly we couldn't really add to that. That's this is what we this is what we know. Yeah. As far as parking, they've got more parking than is required by ordinance. So parking is not an issue either. They mentioned that their their lanes
are wide. Is that true? That's correct. They've got 30 foot aisle. It's 24 could be provided. So that their parking places are 10 by 20. A lot of times you have 9 by 18. So they're above a lot of your standards for this type of use. What about the pedestrians? You're okay
with pedestrian? I think pedestrian with some of the modifications requested by Mr. Fowler and the board that they indicated they would comply with that should address the pedestrian. The board typically grants sidewalk waiverss. Technically, your ordinance says you need to have a sidewalk between all the
parking places that front on Main Street and the roadway. People aren't going to use that sidewalk. They're going to get out of their cars going to walk to the building. So, you're putting sidewalk in for no reason. So, you you typically grant those type of waiverss. So where they're proposing it seems to be feasible with how the people are going
to be walking on the property and I think we're making it there was going to be a condition for the walkway from sidewalk next to the entrance. Correct. You you would agree to additional conditions and I think also Mr. Fowler asked for try to prevent people from walking toward the fly through window to
try to direct them to that walkway. You've agreed to address those. Yep. Mr. Fowler, are you satisfied with everything that was on your report? Just as we have nothing else and we ask you to grant the application.
I'm going to open this application to the public. Is there anyone from the public who wishes to speak in reference this VAWA application? Hearing none, I close the public portion. What is the pleasure of the
board in reference this application? Can I just go through the the conditions first? Yes. Okay. So, what I have is um first show potential uh
future cross access bus depot lot. Um then uh reduce the number of freestanding signs two only one of the freestanding signs will be 20 ft. Uh we'll comply with all
requirements of the engineer report the satisfaction of the engineer. Uh same for the uh planner report and the planner provide an additional pedestrian connection from main street to the building which we understand will
eliminate one parking space. Uh the um board will be approving all building signs as shown before the resolutions adopted. Be a uh list to make sure the
variances are fully accurate. Um we'll add one bench and one bike rack. some kind of sign or striping. Did it stop people from blocking the drive aisle by fly through
lane to the satisfaction before end? I think you want to put something about attempt to uh keep deliveries for fuel in off to off peak hours. Not be specific, but just attempt to do that. Attempt to keep deliveries to off peak
hours. No outside tables or eating outside. I don't know if that's if you want it, right? Put it in. You can put in table out seating area up there,
right? Right. Mr. Fowler, is there anything that you want to add to this? Just compensation. In my report, I suggested having a handicap space on the other side of the building also because there's two. So,
if you happen to have disability, go on to the other side because there's no handicap spaces on that side. Is there enough spaces out for one more handicap space on the Yes, we have three total.
Correct. Those are the conditions. I guess I need a motion. The board's heard the conditions. I need a motion on this application. I have a motion and a second to approve this application.
Roll call. Mr. Green. Yes. Mr. Gazinski. Yes. Mr. Espazito. Yes. Mr. Bella. Yes. Mrs. Godstein. Master Castle Grant. Yes. Mandi. Okay, your application's been approved.
We will memorialize it at our next meeting in May. Thank you very much. We'll memorialize it if we get all the documents. Do you have your planner send me a copy of his outline?
That's it. Okay. Next is resolutions. Has everyone had the opportunity to read the resolution on 76 William Street? Yes. What's the pleasure of the board
concerning this resolution? Move the resolution be approved as written. Second. I have a motion and a second to approve this resolution. Roll call.
Mr. Green. Yes. Mr. Kazinski. Yes. Mr. Esquazito. Mr. Bell. Yes. Modstein. Yes. Yes. All right. Okay. Thank you. Okay. The next resolution is to Gowen
Street. Everyone had the opportunity to read that resolution. Yes. I move the resolution be approved as written. Second. Motion and a second to approve it. Roll
call. Mr. Green. Yes. Mr. Fazinski. Yes. Mr. Estita. Mr. Bella. Yes. Mrs. Godstein. Yes. Mr. Pastel Grant. Yes. Mr. Santi. Yes. Okay. The third resolution. It was
the extension that we gave to Clyde Auto Recycling. So, everyone had the opportunity to read that one. Yes. Yes. Yes, sir. Need a motion to approve. I move that the resolution be approved as written.
I second it. Roll call. Mr. Green? Yes. Mr. Kazinski? Yes. Mr. Espadito? Yes. Mr. Bella? Yes. Mrs. Godstein? Yes. Mr. Castlebrand? Yes.
Masanti? And the last one is, has everyone had the opportunity to read the minutes of the March 26, 2025 uh minutes? Yes. Yes. Move that the minutes be approved. Second. I have a motion in a
second. Roll call. Mr. Green. Yes. Mazinski. Yes. Mr. Espazito. Yes. Mr. Bella. Yes. Mrs. Godstein. Yes. Mr. Greer. Yes. Missi? Yes. Make a motion for adjournment. Yes,
sir. Yes. So move. Motion second. Committing adjourned.