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and red when your time is up. Please conclude your comments when the red light appears. Thank you for your interest interest in time. Now we will begin the hearing with a roll call. >> Chair Young >> here. >> Vice Chair Scar Bro >> here. >> Commissioner Gonzalez >> present. >> Commissionerto
>> here. >> Commissioner Joiner >> here. >> Commissioner Drake >> here. >> Commissioner Reid >> here. >> All here. Thank you. >> All right. Um, now that we got the roll call out of the
way, uh, we'll move on to public comment for non-aggendaized items. Um, Mr. Curtis, I don't know of any. >> Yeah, Mr. Chairman, we're not seeing any, uh, public comments for the non-aggendaized item. >> Okay. Uh, let's move right into the administrative report.
>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of the planning commission. Just, uh, draw to your attention additional correspondence for uh, item number five. Um, this is just a back and forth correspondence from a a citizen who made
uh made a comment about number five and uh staff responding back. So, you could take a look at that. And then I wanted to remind you our our next regular scheduled meetings are May 27th and June 10th. And we do uh have items uh
currently planned for those both of those meetings. So, just wanted to put that on your radar for as you guys uh plan out the next uh four weeks. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Uh let's move on to approval of the U
meeting minutes from April 22nd. Is there a motion? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> Second. >> Commissioner Tell. Uh roll call vote, please. >> Chair Young, >> yes. >> Vice Chair Scarro, >> yes. Commissioner Erto,
>> yes. >> Commissioner Gonzalez, >> yes. >> Commissioner Joiner, >> yes. >> Commissioner Drake, >> yes. >> Commissioner Reid, >> yes. >> Motion passes. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh, moving on to action items. How
the action agenda works. The planning commission may take one vote to act on all items on the continuence agenda and one vote on all items on the consent agenda or may remove items for further discussion as appropriate. The planning commission takes separate action on each
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a designated speaker representing two or more persons. Please submit your cards together. Comment cards must be submitted before public testimony has begun on any item. So, um, we've got three consent agenda items. Um, are
there any changes or requests? Commissioner Gonzalez. >> Yes, Chair. I'd like to move it to the regular agenda, please. >> Okay. Uh, so we've got two on consent
agenda now. 2AB 2025 Scarpulla and Reggerero abandonment and 9UP 2025 Superstar Car Wash CUP. Um, if there's no questions, I'll entertain a motion on those two. >> Chair Young, I'd like to make a motion.
>> Okay. >> For recommendation of approval to city council for cases 2AB 2025 and 9 UP 2025 after finding that the CUP criteria have been met and that the proposed conditional use permits or permit and
abandonment are consistent and conform with the adopted general plan for the attached stipulations. >> Thank you. Do we have a second? Second. >> Roll call vote, please. >> Chair Young, >> yes. >> Vice Chair Scar Bro, >> yes. >> Commissioner Gonzalez, >> yes.
>> Commissioner Erto, >> yes. >> Commissioner Joiner, >> yes. >> Commissioner Drake, >> yes. >> Commissioner Reid, >> yes. >> Motion passes. Thank you. >> All right. U Well, that's it for consent, so we'll move on to regular. Uh
we'll take a look at 3UP 2025 terowatt first. um with a staff presentation. >> Thank you, Chair Young. Commissioners Casey Stanky with Scottsdale Planning presenting case 3UP 2025 terowatt.
You can see the site location here on Osborne just east of 70th in downtown. And here in this area, you can see the site conditions as they generally are today. The site has been vacant for several years, but since then has
effectively acted as overflow parking. And the zoning on the site is C3 commercial with the downtown overlay. And the applicant's request for commission today is to recommend to council approval of this conditional use
permit for vehicle storage. Some issues to consider. This site is adjacent to a couple multifamily uh residential units. Directly to the west of budding this is uh a loft complex technically zoned downtown which is a mixeduse district but it is entirely a
residential use. And then across the street to the north there is another multifamily complex. And in your report attachments you will see there are several public comments received on this item. Here's a look at the site plan. Not a lot changing from what's out there now
in terms of the layout and the circulation and stuff. Um, in terms of buildings and structures, really one small building on the southeast corner for personnel on this site. And then there's the shade structures which I'll show in a second. Other than that, uh
access pretty much the same access points, circulation very similar, and the parking uh striping also very similar to what's out there now. And here's a quick look at the details for those shade structures. And then on screening and landscaping,
the site is effectively screened on on all four sides. Those are either going to be those walls will be either retained or raised in height and those work in tandem with the existing trees that will remain in addition to some new mature trees which will be planted to help the screening on this site from the
street. And those are the basics of the land use analysis. We also have the applicant here for more details. >> Thank you. Thank you. Uh Wendy Redell with the law firm Barry Redell 6750 East Camelback. I
would tell you I'm here doing my best impression of John Barry. That's a little awkward, however, when he is in the room. Uh my pleasure to be here on behalf of Terowatt. Like any good lawyer, I can stand up here and give a long presentation and frankly talk for hours. Uh or I'm happy to answer if you
have a specific question and put that answer on the record as well. Whatever is the pleasure of the chair and the commission. >> Commissioner Gonzalez, was there a specific question or do you want a full presentation? >> I'd like to have a full presentation since there's members of the public here
that might be concerned or have an issue. >> Okay. Very good. >> Go ahead. Go ahead, Mr. Red. >> Uh, as I mentioned, I'm here this evening on behalf of Towad. As staff noted, uh, this is a site that is C3. Uh
we are requesting a conditional use permit to allow for vehicle storage for electric vehicle fleet charging of autonomous passenger vehicles. Uh Terowatt is a company that owns, develops, operates commercial electric vehicles charging sites um frankly
throughout the country. Uh they've been well recognized that for bringing this um type of charging to sustainable use uh throughout the nation. The site that we're talking about here is north of Osborne, just east of 70th
Street. Uh very close to downtown. Ultimately, that proximity we think is very appropriate because it's close to restaurants, hotels, retail theaters, arts galleries, baseball, all the wonderful things that are happening downtown, hospital, medical uses,
special events, providing that proximity to autonomous vehicle charging. What we are requesting today is in conformance with the existing C3 commercial. Um, as I noted, only a use permit is required. So, we are here this
evening only seeking a use permit. Some of the other permitted uses in C3 are wholesale warehouse and distribution, vehicle leasing, rental sales with outdoor vehicle and display, restaurants, office, medical office, um
community storage, self- storage, gun shops, pawn shops, retail. Again, not what we're proposing. Um but those are uses that are in fact permitted in the underlying zoning today. This gives you an idea of what we're proposing, what it will look like. Um,
when you're looking southwest to the site, as staff noted, not terribly different, really just upgraded from the parking lot that's out there today with some shade canopies with those 48 inch box trees um coming in.
We are proposing 47 EV charging stalls with three employee parking. Uh there is a very small office on site, 640 square ft. Um there are two access points, both to the north and to the south. It will be entirely gated and secured um and in
fact walled with an 8 foot masonry wall. Uh proposed use will offer EV charging for standard size autonomous vehicles. There will be no trucks. These are your your typical passenger vehicles that you see around town. Um to give you an idea of what that site plan will look like, you can see those
canopies. You see the gated secured access charging infrastructure and the very small um office down on Osborne. Terms of buffering, we are secured, as I mentioned, by a masonry perimeter wall. We have those parking canopies in place.
There's over 4,000 square feet of landscaped open space. Again, those 48 inch box trees that will be included. U fully shielded low voltage LED lighting fixtures underneath those shade canopies. There's only one fully shielded polemounted light fixture at
each access point. So, really a very low impact use here. to give you an idea of what that looking northwest um what that would look like from the site. You can see the back of that office. You can see that landscaping and the gate.
Um everything that we're proposing here today is in conformance with the general plan character area, mixeduse oldtown growth area, that old town character area. It's also very consistent with the language and the policies within the general plan, particularly the ones that
talk about sustainability and the environment. Um you note that it says to expand the use of alternative mobility options for example electric and clean fuel alternatives um through through investment in environmental infrastructure such as electrical
recharge. Again very consistent with what we are proposing here today. It also helps to implement Scussell's smart city initiative from 2021 where emerging technologies such as autonomous vehicles will represent some of the most
important opport opportunities for cities to embrace. Um that we should embrace innovation in shared use mobility solutions specifically calling out autonomous vehicles, electric vehicles, and that the infrastructure requirements necessary to enable these developments. Of course, what we're
proposing is that necessary infrastructure to enable these developments. Uh, autonomous vehicles are significantly safer than human operated vehicles. I can attest to this as someone who has a son that just turned 16. Trust me, you much preferred him in
his Whimo than you do driving on the road. In Phoenix metropolitan area, um, over 20.8 8 million miles driven. Autonomous vehicles have had 81% fewer deployment crashes, 78% injury uh fewer injury crashes than human drivers.
Uh they're significantly safer for pedestrians and bicyclists. 92% fewer accidents for pedestrians, 85% fewer with bicyclists. Um they're significantly safer for passengers compared to non to traditional non-aututonomous ride share vehicles.
You know, people often choose to ride in these type of vehicles. I know laughing about my son being 16, but he was 15. We regularly sent him out in a Whimo because it was much more comfortable that he wasn't with a driver that we didn't know. So, I think there's tremendous need for these type of uses
in Scottsdale. A lifelong Scottsdale resident myself. Um, and of course, uh, when we look at the use permit criteria, each of that criteria is in fact satisfied. It will not be materially detrimental to the public health, safety, or welfare. There's no damage or nuisance arising.
In fact, they are the quietest quietest vehicles that you will see on the road. Um, no odor, dust, vibration, no impact to the surrounding areas as a result. Um, and our use is certainly reasonably compatible with the types of uses permitted in the surrounding area.
So, in summary, this is not a resoning. This is a request for a conditional use permit. We are in conformance with the existing C3 commercial zoning district. We're in conformance with the general plan and Oldtown character area plan. Uh this eliminates the potential for future
reszoning for apartments, for example. Um it supports tourism in Oldtown. It implements Gussell's smart city initiative for autonomous passenger vehicles. We've demonstrated it is significantly safer to be in an autonomous vehicle. It improves um not
only our community, but the rider safety as well. uh makes for a safer piece for people to ride in these types of vehicles. Um also water consumption is approximately 95% less than uses allowed by the existing C3 and everything we're
proposing complies with the use permit requirements. With that, Mr. Chair, uh members of the commission, I'm happy to answer any additional questions you may have and we would respectfully request your support. >> Thank you, Mr. Redell. Um, M. Uh, Commissioner Gonzalez, did you have any
specific questions you'd like to ask the applicant? >> Uh, not at this time, but I would like to have uh some staff presentation on this. >> Uh, specifically, what would you like to see? >> Uh, the fire the the fire the firemen, >> okay, >> are represented here >> with the fire state Scottsdale Fire
Department. It >> looks like we have a couple gentlemen there in the back that could uh possibly answer some questions. Good afternoon. My name is Clint Steves. I'm an assistant fire chief of the Scottsdale Fire Department. I oversee the prevention division. I also have up
top, if it's a zoning question, I have senior protection fire engineer Doug Wilson here representing the department. >> Okay. I guess basically the first question I'd have is do we know everything about EV type of
um u type of uh usage right now? I mean is it typically that we can say oh yes we know how to put out this fire. This is the way we put out this fire and this is what we have to do to maintain a high security level. Chairman Young,
Commissioners, Commissioner Gonzalez, the fire department, Scottsdale Fire Department is highly trained when it comes to UV EV vehicles, particularly lithium. We were lucky enough that Tesla chose us as one of their cities to provide training. We're one of three selected cities in the United States and one week long training for our entire
fire department on emergency response to EV vehicles. We do have standard operating procedures, how we respond to EV vehicles because they are a unique hazard with the lithium battery package that is underneath. We also have a highly trained hazardous materials team in the city of Scotsville that is
trained in EV vehicles that do come out and respond for the specified gases hazards that are associated with EV vehicles. So yes, sir, we are highly trained in them. >> Yes. Um my question really is not about your training because I understand your
training. I've seen it in action and you do a very good job. The city of Scottsdale is very fortunate. May I ask you then if the as far as the uh safety protocols are concerned, what do you anticipate in having this in such a
dense area of residential? >> Yeah, EV vehicle I'm pardon me, Chairman Young, Commissioners, Commissioner Gonzalez. EV vehicles as a total they do bring unique hazards. So it is the once ignition starts on the vehicle they can
be difficult to put out. We have been successful. We have had many vehicle fires less EVs than regular vehicle fires over the last couple years and we've been successful in doing it. Do I see an increase in hazards based on this site from a fire department perspective and risk management? No sir, I do not.
So and what is then what is the safety protocol involved in is if the emissions if it gets a catastrophic uh event going on where more than one EV gets overheated or multiple units start
catching fire at this time which is actually has happened before. So, what do you do with the surrounding residents around that area as far as a notification to allow them to have time to evacuate? >> Yes, sir. Chairman, young commissioners,
Commissioner Gonzalez. Um, we would treat this as we would any other vehicles in a parking garage. Our first thing is public safety and personal safety. We're going to make sure that we surround the area. We coordinate it off any exposures. There's a building that I saw an exposure just to the left of it
in the picture to the right of it. Those would be our primary stands to make sure we protected those as host streams as would any other fire and then we would go as we call it offensive on the firefight. We would put the vehicles out. We would get them into a safe state and then we would manage them dealing
with them. As for notifications, it's traditional in the fire service. It's still old school how we make notifications. We go doortodoor. So, we're going to go to the buildings and we're going to start clearing out the exposures immediately as we would any other fire because even regular vehicle fires bring the hazards associated with
them. So if we have a large fire, we are going to start evacuating the area, working with our Scottsdale Police Department that we train with. >> Would you say it's imperative that the staff that's on board in the in the parking lot itself is uh well trained
and able to diagnose things u in you know in a quick manner? Yes, Chair Young, Commissioners, Commissioner Gonzalez, I would hope whoever comes onto this side absolutely has safety procedures. They have them outlined and they have trained personnel
that are on site that are particular with that EV company, autonomous or not, that are trained in emergency shutdown procedures, evacuations, and to call 911 immediately so we can get moving to the site. >> Very good. Is there any um
is there going to be or I'm not going to be is there any uh mention of any kind of containment within there like using a basically a a high cube container filled with some sort of media to contain the
fire? >> Yes, Chairman Young Commissioners, Commissioner Gonzalez, you're you're absolutely right. If it's a single vehicle, our process currently, we attack the vehicle, we put it out, we monitor it as lithium vehicle batteries have the tendency to rekindle. We know
that by experience. So, we do a lot of what we call thermal imaging to measure the temperatures. We do gas monitoring. That's why you will see a hazmat team on scene that looks for specific gases. And then our procedure is cool the vehicle, get it to a stable site. We will then work with an environmental cleanup company to put that into the rolloff
dumpster that you mentioned. And then our typical policy currently is we cover it with what we call a car cover that's rated for lithium batteries and it will be hauled away out to a site where the hazmat company then takes care of it. That's our procedure for dealing with them. Is there any monitoring system or
anything that uh that you're aware of or that the applicant has brought forward that actually monitors the heat levels of the batteries or the air the sens the fire the sensory area? >> I was going to say that's a technical
question for you. >> Thank you uh Mr. Chair Commissioner um Gonzalez. Yes, in fact our software does monitor that. So that's something that's closely monitored and if a if a vehicle starts to get overheated, we have the ability to shut it off um through that
technology. >> Very good. But if if the if the randomness of of it starts moving, then how are you able to anticipate the rest of this? Are you able to monitor this through the just through temperature sensing or what?
>> Um chair, commissioner, it is monitored through temperature sensing constantly. Uh, and that's, you know, that software monitors it all the time and it doesn't allow it. It will shut it off before it's allowed to get too hot. >> Okay. Thank you very much. One more
question for you. One more. Is this is the this is not a Tesla operation, is it? >> Uh, Mr. Chair, Commissioner Gonzalez. No, it's not specific to any particular user. >> Okay. Therefore, there's going to be multiple users of this, not just Teslas,
but there's going to be multiple EV uses on this project. >> Uh, Chair, again, Commissioner Gonzalez, typically we would contract with one user. That particular user has not been ascertained. Um, it is not likely to be Tesla. Um, but there are other users in
the marketplace such as Whimo, Zuks, you know, others that may we but we would contract with one user. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. I'd like to ask the chief, assistant chief, a couple more questions. >> Yes, sir. >> Thank you, sir. And I hope this is not
too tedious for you because it's a it's an evolving situation. We don't know every answer to this because the improvements and the generational uh movement of this type of uh uh product is not totally understandable as far as
what I've said because I've gotten different answers from different people. But basically the what the trade tells me is exactly how you explained it. However, would it not be easier to contain or have a containment sort of thing if they enveloped some of this
building inside in into it so that it could separate each individual compartmentized uh uh auto I for that one I fall back to my structural engineer actually for fire protection. I don't think that's been
thought of and it's not part of the current fire code. I would imagine that would be something the developer and the companies that are actually doing the construction that would come forward with. >> Yes, I understand. I'm not just trying to This is not a problem for just code.
This is not a problem just in general. What it is, it's a problem with it being in a residential area with a minimal amount of structure around it. I'd like to find out if we can get a little bit more cost, a little bit more containment in that area if that's what would it
take to make it a safer place. Chairman Young, Commissioners, Commissioner Gonzalez, that would be for the building committee um review on that. I will tell you from a fire department personnel, we will be able to work with the vehicle. We will be able to put it out. We'd be able to mitigate
the hazards there. >> Thank you for your uh time. Thank you, sir. >> Thank you. Um, >> Commissioner Ortell, >> this is H for the fire department assistant chief.
>> Sorry about that. >> You had to wait till he was all the way to the back. >> Never mind. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Um, have you has as has the Scottsdale Fire Department u ever put out um an
electric vehicle fire? >> Chairman Young Commissioners, Commissioner Ertell. Yes, sir. We've actually had quite a few experiences with Tesla vehicles and other lithium-ion vehicles. Um, all with positive successes or else to be making the news for you. Yes. That's why we've
done so much research into the training, so much into it as a region, as a whole with the Phoenix metropolitan area. have had a lot of responses and a lot of experience responding to EV fires and they're charging stations not only in residential but commercial. >> So you're you're not just trained,
you're experienced. You've applied the training and have a track record in it. So okay, thank you very much. Yes, >> sir. >> Uh well, Commissioner Gonzalez, you have another question. Sir, in these instances, how many
instances have you in Scottsdale put out with multiple vehicle fires at one time? >> Chairman Young Commissioners, Commissioner Gonzalez, I would have to look at that data for you. I don't want to give you a fake number right off the top of your head if we've had multiple EV fires that combined in a fire. So, I
could get back to you on that data if you'd like, sir. >> Thank you very much, sir. >> Uh, we don't want to forget about the, um, commissioners that are on the phone. So, uh, Commissioner Drake, do you have any questions? >> I have no questions.
>> Uh, Commissioner Reid, >> I have no questions. I think it's an excellent use of the space. >> Okay. Thanks. All right. I I don't think we have any more questions for you, sir. >> Commissioner Joiner. Um, I don't know who to address this to,
but I I guess I would have to ask. I know that there's apartments and condos that are adjacent to this property. I mean, there would be no different than we don't know how many electric cars they own in there. So, I don't see any
bigger hazard with this. And I know that every multi- hotel uh commercial that we've had on the dis has all said that they're going to utilize this type of a vehicle for their
people that stay at their hotels and everything else. I think it's a wonderful use, but what about the adjacent do I mean have we looked at how many electric cars are housed there? >> Chair Commissioner Joiner, it's an excellent question. Um, and it's frankly, I mean, I drive an electric
vehicle. We allow electric vehicles in residential homes throughout the valley, right? Um, other facilities that Terowatt have actually exist within parking garages attached to condominium projects in dense urban environments. Uh, and they have not had any issues at
all. I think the reality is um while batteries are new uh the amount of study that has gone into and I actually attended one day of the Tesla fire training with them um it's incredible. They have such technology to deal with any type of fire and really to prevent
it before it even occurs far more than you have with gas vehicles. And so it it really is um quite safe. >> Thank you. And by the way, thank you for the 48 inch box trees. You are more than welcome.
>> Thank you, Mr. Redal. I I don't think we have any other questions right now. So, if um somebody wants to make a motion, I'll make a motion. >> Commissioner Joiner. I'd like to make a motion for recommendation of approval to city council for case 3 up 2025 after finding
that the cup criteria have been met and the proposed conditional use permit is consistent and conforms with the adopted general plan per the attached stipulations. >> Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Uh roll call vote, please.
>> Chair Young, >> yes. >> Vice Chair Scarro, >> yes. Commissioner Gonzalez. >> Um, I like the the application. It it looks forward. It's a complete good use of the zoning, but unfortunately I have too many unanswered questions and
therefore I say no. >> Commissioner, >> yes. >> Commissioner Joiner, >> yes. >> Commissioner Drake, >> yes. >> Commissioner Reid, >> yes. >> Motion passes. Thank you. >> Thank you. All right, let's move on to
item five 20ZN 2002 number 51 Scottdale. Miss Tessier. >> Thank you. Good evening, Chair Young and commissioners. Mayor Tessier here with the city of Scottsdale. The case before you tonight is 20ZN 2002 number five one
Scottsdale. The subject site is located just north of the 101, east of North Scottsdale Road, and south of East Legacy Boulevard as highlighted in yellow. The surrounding uses include mixeduse
development to the north, east, and south. And then we have City of Phoenix to the west. And I can advance my slide. There we go. Why not?
Okay, bear with me. The general plan future land use map designates the site as mixeduse neighborhoods within the regional use overlay and today's request is consistent with that designation. The subject 27 acre site is zoned
planned regional center planned community development which supports mixed use um uses such as hotel, residential and commercial. So today the applicant's requesting to amend the one Scottsdale land use budget
for the reduction of approximately 1.3 million square feet of commercial and increase of 350 residential units. I just want to note at this that the applicant has indicated that the 350 units will be a for sale product and the
applicant will go into that detail within their presentation. Additionally, the amendment is to um this request is to amend the mixeduse core boundary. Currently, the existing core boundary, if you can see my mouse,
is in the blue dash line. And today, the applicant's proposing to amend that mixeduse core boundary within that brown dash line. So, it's a little bit longer there on the vertical side. And then lastly, the applicant's requesting to update the
approved PRC land use list that was approved in 2002 to simply align with today's current code. So, it's just a cleanup. So, for um some key items of consideration for today's request, the U proposal's conformance with the general
plan as well as the greater air park character area plan. The request includes um an amendment to the development standards, the land use budget as well as that mixeduse core boundary. The applicant's also going to be updating that land use list for uh
cleanup to utilize today's code. The applicant has also demonstrated conformance with the PCD findings. And then lastly, the city has received correspondence both in opposition and support and those are attached to your report as well as the additional correspondence that was provided on the
DAS today. So I'll conclude staff's presentation with the recommendation slide and should the commission have any questions multiple departments are available. Thank you. >> Thank you Miss Pessier. Um,
looks like the applicant team's here that is eager to give us a presentation. >> This was a little bit more successful. Thank you. Chair Young, Vice Chair Scarboro, members of the commission, excuse me, for your record. John Barry, 6750 East
Camelback Road in Scottsdale. And I am not Wendy Redell. Uh, she's much better than I am. Um, Mr. Mr Chair, before I begin my presentation, how many, if I may ask, how many speaker cards do you have for this item? >> Uh, we just have one.
>> Thank you very much. Um I we have our team with us of course but also with us this evening is Michael Lavine from the Belgravia group who is the builder of the two very successful existing condominium buildings um at one Scottsdale and who has a keen interest
in the result tonight because he would like and his company would like to build uh phases three and four of the uh existing very successful very well done condominium buildings that are at one Scottsdale uh today
in terms of uh just zeroing in a little bit more on the vicinity of where the project's located. All that area in red to the west of Scottsdale Road is the city of Phoenix. And to the bottom of this, at the bottom of the green or the we've outlined the one Scottsdale site, you can see the
loop 101 freeway. Now, some highlights associated with this request. There is no change in the existing zoning category that we're requesting. It is in conformance with the general plan and the greater air
park character area plan and this is 27 acres of the original 160 acres associated with one Scottsdale. This is essentially an infill site within the original 160 acres. The vast majority of
the one Scottsdale property is already developed, including with the very fine Belgravia group condominiums. Now, it was 10 years ago that one Scottsdale came to the city, the commissioning council, and asked for
some modifications to their master plan. And in those 10 years, a lot of things have happened. The most important one for real estate certainly has been CO. There were significant changes in the market and significant changes in commercial real estate and residential.
The second driving factor in the last 10 years is much more recent, like very recent, and that is the Bidwell family's acquisition of 217 acres directly across the street on Scottsdale Road in
Phoenix. and they are not shy about handing out intense zoning or dense zoning or tall zoning. That property has the right today to go to 190 foot tall buildings which by reference point for you is 40 feet taller than the buildings
at Scottsdale waterfront. Now, I don't want you to remember this case. I want you to have amnesia after tonight is over. And the reason I say that tongue and cheek is because this is a request for less development than can
go on that property by right today. And when I say less, I mean 48% less building square footage on the site that can go there today. There's no change in zoning. There's no change in the general plan amendment. This is a
zoning unicorn. Now, the original request was filed back in December of 2023 for this application, and it included adding 500 apartments to our request. Well, we listened and we made some changes when we re when we modified this request back
in December of 2025, two years later, to eliminate about 1.4 million square feet 1.4 4 million square ft of non-residential land uses and to add these 350 forale luxury condos as phases
three and four of the Belgravia condominiums that are already on site. Now the staff report I think is very important. I know we have some folks that live in uh one Scottdale and some of these uh condominiums that Belgravia has built are or they're going to be
living in them and I know that they want services. They want restaurants. They want things they can walk to in this area. And this is exactly what this proposal is designed to do. It's designed to encourage and accelerate that effort. And staff recognizes that.
In their professional opinion, they say, and this is a quote, "Although the commercial square footage is reduced, the project continues to provide a blend of residential and non-residential uses consistent with the master plan mixeduse development." In other words, consistent
with the original vision of One Scottsdale. Then it goes on to say, the remaining commercial elements, in other words, what we're proposing is sufficient to support surrounding neighborhoods with services such as
retail, restaurant, hotel, and office. Now, in terms of where this property is located within the larger one Scottsdale master plan, it's highlighted in blue here. That's the 27 acres. And that's where you'll find the eventual um uh
community uh center there, community event center, and community core with restaurant, retail. There'll be an autograph hotel there, commercial, and of course forale residential. Zooming in on that 27 acres, you can see
in the middle of the of the property, the autograph hotel. That is done. It's not done. It's planned and it's moving forward. There'll be a full service with restaurants, Marriott Autograph Hotel. There will be a public event plaza which will help attract new restaurants and
services to that public event plaza. And of course, phases three and four of the forale condos by Belgravia. Now you can see what's what's called Portico. Those are the existing uh condos by Belgravia.
And you'll also see below that you'll see or to the left of that the Atavia condominiums which are the most recent uh condominiums that are being built and offered for sale now. And by the way, all of those have done very well with sales. Very well. There's a great demand for this location and the quality that
Belgravy is producing. Pedestrian connectivity in the area that's always been important to Scottsdale, particularly with master plan communities. And there are excellent pedestrian and bicycle connectivity to one Scottsdale. These are just some images of the
existing one Scottsdale pedestrian connectivity. This is an example again in place of a path and trail along Scottsdale Road. This is a path uh on the east side of the project
and again another on the east side of the project. You can see the quality. There are uh places for folks to rest and enjoy their themselves and enjoy when we have it great weather. Now, this is a perspective of that special of that events plaza, that
pedestrian core with restaurants and retail in the area. And this is the vision that we want to implement at this on this particular 27 acres. Again, you can see images of the atmosphere that we're trying to create for the existing
residents of One Scottsdale and for the community that wants to come and enjoy these types of amenities and the highquality restaurants that will be coming to this area. You know, there's that old saying that rooftops follow or retail follows rooftops. by providing
these additional high-end luxury condominiums with the demographics that they uh include, including the type of folks that are here this evening that that have bought condos there or live there. This will help bring those highquality restaurants and retail to
this area because there'll be more people that can walk to and enjoy them, more business for them. And we know in the age of Amazon, that's particularly important to support small businesses and restaurants as well. Again quoting from the staff report,
infrastructure is very important to our community, particularly water, but also water and sewer. Now, this is again a quote from the staff report that says the existing and proposed infrastructure will be able to handle the additional residential units. Now, editorial
comment, I would hope so when we're getting rid of 1.4 million square feet of other types of uses that generate more traffic, more water consumption, and more sewer demand. Speaking of wastewater and sewer, and it's not because it's the lawyer speaking, that comes jumps right to mind
for you. But in terms of wastewater and sewer demand, because of the reduction in square footage, that will be a 20% reduction in wastewater demand in infrastructure for our city's um infrastructure.
Water demand is also reduced by 31%. Logic tells you that when you reduce that much square footage that the amount of water consumption will go down. And keep in mind that the international green construction code and other uh efforts of the city and the private sector will ensure that this residential
will generate even will consume even less water than otherwise. Traffic is always an issue for our community and we've taken that into account as well as has staff. And this talks about the fact again a couple of quotes that the reduction in commercial
intensity is anticipated to decrease overall traffic generation compared to the previously approved land use allocations. And the second quote out of the staff report, the traffic generated by the request is substantially less than that
associated with the existing allowed development. That's another way of saying when you reduce it by 48% on site, it's going to have a positive impact on traffic. In terms of weekday total trips compared to non-resident
four approximately 1.4 million of of non-residential uses compared with what we're doing, the weekday total trips go way down. The rush hour trips go way down. Speaking of traffic, do we have the infrastructure to take care of it?
Again, quoting from the staff, the forethought and implementation of the required transportation infrastructure provides for streets and thoroughares that are suitable to handle the anticipated traffic by the request.
Both the city and the developer have worked together since 2002. since 2002 for 24 years to ensure that there's the correct infrastructure in this area. Since 2002, my client has spent over $32
million on transportation improvements in this area, including putting in the Loop 101 frontage road from Hayden to Scottsdale Road. They improved Legacy Boulevard, and they widened Scottsdale Road to six lanes.
It's another way of saying this is a development that has paid for itself. It has not gone forward on the backs of the taxpayers. Speaking to the taxpayers, the fiscal impact of one Scottsdale and this is the entire project is
substantial. Construction sales tax alone will generate or has generated almost 23 and a half million dollars in new revenue to the city. And annually this will contribute over $ 8.6 million in new tax revenue to our city. Helps
keep our quality of life high and the balance of our taxes as residents lower. Now, you noted earlier that we started this process with this application in December of 2023. It's now May of 2026.
And in that time period, we've done a lot of listening. We've made substantial changes. We listen to the community primarily. We listen to your professional staff as always very attentively and worked in and included their thoughts and uh suggestions. And we've listened to the market,
particularly what's happening across the street with the new acquisition by the Bidwell family. The result, this is a request for less development than otherwise would be built today. I would
note in summary, it's 27 acres, only 17% of the original one Scottsdale. It's an infill site. The balance of the land is essentially developed. There's no change in the existing zoning. The request is in response to postpandemic market
conditions and what's happening across the street in Phoenix, including 190 foot tall buildings. It's in conformance with the general plan and the character area plan. We are eliminating approved could be built
today approved development of non-resident residential land uses of almost 1.4 million. And these 354 sale luxury condominiums will be phases three and four of already successful phases one and two by a very
high quality excellent condominium developer who would like to move forward with this project as soon as possible. The average size of those condominiums will be 2200 square feet, not including the outdoor living space.
Infrastructure is positively impacted. We've talked about wastewater reductions, water consumption, and traffic. All of those demands on our system have will go down substantially. Previous infrastructure improvements. I talked a little bit about this. Dig a
little bit deeper. Over 32 million. We talked about Scottdale Road. We talked about Legacy Boulevard. We talked We did not talk about the fact that they also improved Thompson Peak Parkway to the north. They also have contributed to the Miller Road and Loop 101 underpass. And this is
an expensive one, but one that when we drive in this area, we can all appreciate, but we don't understand that it was the private sector, that it was the builders that made this possible. They have undergrounded at their expense 69 KV power lines, the ones that are
tall and are very much visible. They undergrounded those not only along Scottsdale Road, but along Legacy Boulevard. We do have a staff recommendation approval for which we're very grateful that that's your professional staff's recommendation. And finally, in
conclusion, this is a quote out of the uh staff report, the proposed amendment to one Scottsdale reduces the approved commercial square footage by about 1.4 million square feet and increases the
residential component by 350. The reduction in commercial intensity is expected to lessen potential external impacts to surrounding neighborhoods, including traffic volumes and peak hour congestion. But the lessening of impacts
is not just to neighborhoods. It's to the entire community because we lessen the impacts on infrastructure to the entire city and we generate new sales tax revenue and other revenue for the benefit of the taxpayer. Now, I would
say that this is a positive example of less is more. I'm happy to answer any questions you have or wait until after public uh input. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Barry. Um yeah, normally we'd move on to public comment, but I
think Commissioner Joiner has a question specific to you. Um, I did read the uh FIN 19page uh stipulations that we received in our email on this project, but those those uh citizens listening to this at home
probably don't get to read that. Could you go back to the graphic that shows the traffic and go over ingress and egress and the installation of the traffic light that's going in? >> Sure. Kurt, if you could come up for a second, I'd appreciate it.
Kurt Jones is actually the person who's been with this project since the beginning. And if you could point out, let me get the right graphic. If you could point out where the two new traffic signals will be. >> Thank you, >> chair, members of planning commission,
Kurt Jones, Tiffany Bosco. Uh, do we have a mouse that works? Yes, we do. So, with regards to access to the site and the traffic signals, as John mentioned, Legacy Boulevard was constructed through the middle of the project heading east towards Hayden.
There's a main access point to the south uh for Planning U2. Planning two is everything to the south of Legacy Boulevard. And then there's a main intersection here on 73rd Street. Um both uh intersections with Legacy Boulevard will be uh signalized as those
corners develop. So that's where the two signals are. >> Are those two signal, excuse me, are those two signals part of the application? In other words, will they be required prior to your use permit? >> Uh, yes. >> Okay.
And then ingress and egress off of Scottsdale Road >> into the project. >> Yes. Those those have been determined and built um for almost 15 20 years now. Uh so those haven't changed at all throughout the the project both on the
north side of Legacy and and the south side. Those uh driveways already built into Scotser Road. >> So traffic coming out and going north is a right turn only. Is that correct? >> For planning unit three, there's a right turn only here. There's a left in at the
middle. Um and then there's a right turn only going out. Uh full access here at Legacy Boulevard where the traffic signal exists. Now, >> right >> on the south side, there's a right out only. There's a left in in the middle um with right out and then there's a full
traffic intersection at Hankle Boulevard that's current traffic signal at Hankle Boulevard that's currently built and operational. >> And that that left turn in is a del lane. It's not people stopping traffic. Correct. Turn in there. >> Yeah. Out of the three lanes south going
southbound. >> Thank you very much, >> Chair Young. Commissioner, uh I the other thing that's important for folks that are watching to know, uh I know you all know this, but traffic signals now can be up to a million dollars each
depending on what ornaments you hang on. I don't mean literally, but what the what the hardware is and software is associated with it. They are not inexpensive. And those stipulations or conditions that you mentioned for the developer require that those be
installed and paid for by the developer, not the taxpayer. So, all right. Uh, are there any other questions for the applicant or should we go on to public comment first? Yeah. Um, thank you, Mr. Barry.
>> Thank you. >> Uh, we got just one speaker today, U, Mr. Paul Allesio. Good evening, Chair Young, members of the planning commission. My name is Paul Allesio and I live in Greyhawk and my address is on file with the city of
Scottsdale. As typical, John Barry's thorough presentation pretty much took all of my fire. So, I'm going to keep it nice and short and sweet here for you tonight. Just a quick point of clarification. I'm a member of the Greyhawk board of directors, but I'm only here as an individual. Scottsdale
resident to speak in support of the one Scottsdale zoning district map amendment request. DMV the developers of one Scottdale have been excellent to communicate with over the years and as they've developed the land north of the 101 freeway to Thompson Peak Parkway and
east of Scottsdale Road. This development that we're talking about is just south of Greyhawk. While this property has had multiple renditions over the years, the current plan appears to have excellent momentum with a healthy mix of retail, hospitality, healthcare, office, for rent,
multifamily, and for sale multif family housing. The groups that DMB has partnered with on this development have built well accepted projects in the market and continue to maintain their properties to date. The request this evening is to reduce the non-residential
square footage by just over 1.37 million square feet and replace it with 350 additional forale only multifamily units. The request aligns with current market conditions and I support it. My understanding is that the new multif
family units will be for sale only. While the current narrative that I read in the city doesn't appear to state that, I believe that there's a development agreement and a deed restriction that will stipulate this and that the stipulation will run with any land transactions. Belgravia's recent
forale condo project, Portico, at one Scottsdale, appears to have been very wellreceived as it sold out quickly. I expect their newest development, Atavia, at one Scottsdale, currently under construction, will also be very well received. My understanding is that Belgravia plans to be part of the
additional fourell units if approved. As an 18-year Greyhawk resident, I am pleased to support the one Scottdale request this evening. One final concluding item. I want to thank you, Chair Young, and the members of the planning commission for your service. Your commitment and dedication to the
quality development of Scottsdale is admirable. And you may not hear it often, but but as a longtime Scottsdale resident, my opinion is you're doing a great job and we want to thank you. >> Well, thank you, Mr. Allesio.
Uh is is I don't know if you I think you're going to provide comment after that. >> Could I rebut that? >> Whatever you'd like to do. >> Uh chair, members of the of the commission, uh Mr. Allesio I think is being modest which is his nature. He
served for a number of years both on development review board and on the planning commission including uh several years as uh chairman. So I think he knows of what he speaks in terms of the commitment of time, energy and effort that all our uh boards and commission
members provide voluntarily to the city. I would like to just assure uh Mr. Allesio on the for sale aspect of this. There are uh two stipulations that I think address this and I think it's important to note that we are the ones that want to ensure that these are for
sale units. This is not something that city staff has uh has requested or required. Um this is something that we as staff we would like to do this. Give us the tools to be able to to do that. And so there are a couple things that that we're doing. One is is a
stipulation that says whatever we do on this site has to be in conformance with with what's called I know you know this but the development plan which was submitted with this application it says it has to be in conformance with that. So in that development plan we
specifically say that these 350 new residential units will be for sale. That's one. And the stipulation, the condition that if this is approved by city council requires of the of anybody that moves forward is to comply with
that development plan language of for sale. There's another stipulation that says we have to comply with the terms of a development agreement. Now, the development agreement is approved by the city council, not by the planning commission. That development agreement
has a couple of provisions in it that also require at our request that that these units be for sale. And I would also note that finally on our own valition and isn't just something we've done for this project, we have had a
requirement on our prop on our property on my client's property that development has to be for sale. for example, for the Belgravia units that exist today and for these 350 units today. So there is a
requirement that is contractually binding on the private side and there's also requirements on the city side that we have voluntarily requested and voluntarily agreed to to ensure that that is the case. So we have belt and suspenders on that.
>> Thank you Mr. Barry. I I do have a question for you. So, of all the existing condominiums that are in the area, and you may or may not know this information, how many of them are owner occupied, and are there any short-term rentals in there?
>> So, um, Mr. Chair, members of the of the, uh, commission, Mr. Lavine said that they have requirements that would not allow short-term rentals, okay, in those buildings. And rest assured that that is part of the reason that people want to be in those buildings and live there. They don't want to have short-term rentals in there. These are
very expensive units in a in an excellent location and my guess is they will appreciate in value and they don't want to do anything to diminish the potential for that uh increase in value over time. >> Sure. Okay. Thank you. Um are there
excuse me uh Commissioner Drake or Commissioner Reid, do you have any questions? This is Commissioner Reid. I think this is an outstanding example of what we'd like to see uh coming to Scottsdale and all for all of the reasons that were
presented. Thank you. >> Uh is there any other comment for Commissioner Drake? >> I would agree with Mr. Reid with with Commissioner Reid. I think it's a pretty
pretty nice use of uh space. Uh so I would agree. >> Thank you. Uh Commissioner Tell. >> Thank you, Chair. Uh I go through this with my usual aesthetics, amenities, and economics.
um aesthetics. Looking at the I'm sure they're artist renditions, but looking at that retail and looking at those uh pathways, I mean, it's just very attractive. Um you know, so in terms of aesthetics, it's a net plus for the
area. Uh amenities, you're getting residences where people want to live, you know, high-end residences where high-end people want to live. Um, you also have well-located restaurants. Economics, it's a tax
revenue generator for the city. Um, the cost, you know, roads are adequate because the developer uh has made the investment. So, yeah, there's going to be an increase in traffic, but nothing that's not uh manageable that's not
accommodated by the existing infrastructure. Likewise, you know, there's going to be more water demanded, but it's a modest increase, uh, less than it could be or would be with other type of development. So, it's better to lock in this modest water usage. Um,
we're better off in the long run. So, yes, I think this is a quality project and do support it. >> Thank you. Um, you do have a question, Commissioner. Okay, Commissioner Gonzalez. >> Um, how
How does it impact the uh parking uh spatial displacement? Does the residential add more or subtract more from the retail side? >> Chair Young, Commissioner Gonzalez, we have not done the parking analysis because we don't know the specific users
that are going to go there. Um so the short answer is I don't know. What I can tell you is that we will be required to meet whatever the codes uh require for those uses. Um so don't know. But I can also tell you that retailers and
residential do not want to have a der or shortage of parking. It negatively affects their business and it negatively affects values. So uh there is a unity of uh of desire to ensure that this is more than adequately parked.
>> Very good. And then um you mentioned that um the the principal is actually paying for some traffic signaling in there and actually buried some uh some uh transformer lines. Is that along also
part of that legacy uh avenue boulevard that's heading to the east? >> Chair Commissioner Gonzalez. Yes. They've all been underlined already. Underline under undergrounded already. Those lines have. So yes, that's already occurred. The expenditures have occurred
um both along Scottsdale Road and along Legacy Boulevard. >> Okay. Very good. Do you think that uh have you seen a traffic uh flow pattern? >> Yes. As what was submitted with the
application was the city's required team or transportation impact analysis. >> Okay. Yeah. So there's we're you're not going to have to enjoin any kind of extra cost or anything as what the uh
project to the uh uh west of you is going to be. There's no there's no cooperation or anything of that. Uh, Chair Young and Commissioner Gonzalez, I think the what will be coming from Phoenix to Scottsdale is
gratitude that we've put in all this infrastructure and they get to use it um and not have to contribute towards the cost of it while building uh very tall buildings with a lot of density for which people will think it's in the city of Scottsdale. We'll have a Scottsdale mailing address, but unfortunately we'll
have the negative impacts of it. So, I wish there could be or would be more collaboration and maybe if there's an opportunity to have the city of Phoenix or those that are developing on that side of the street to contribute towards the and offset the infrastructure impacts that they're going to generate
for Scottsdale and our citizens, I would say amen and allelujah. >> Would the um main tap for the water sewer uh run along Legacy or does it go up and down Scottsdale Road if you know that? Uh chair uh commissioner um you've
reached the extent of my knowledge about where things are located with the infrastructure but I do know that the infrastructure is primarily located in Scottsdale Road. >> Yes. Um that was my worry is that uh everything on the west side is Phoenix and everything is east side of
Scottsdale Road median line is uh Scottsdale's responsibility. I didn't know if we were able to uh see if uh we were able to protect our side completely away from the Phoenix side of the development. And that was the main
reason for my question. Thank you, sir. >> Thank you. >> Uh it doesn't look like we have any more comments or questions, so I'll entertain a motion. I'd like to make I'd like to make a motion for approval to city council for
case 20ZN 2020 2002 number five after finding that the plan community development criteria have been met and determined that the proposed zoning district ma amendment and development plan are consistent and conform with the adopted general plan.
>> Thank you. Do we have a second? >> Second. And a roll call vote, please. >> Chair Young, >> yes. >> Vice Chair Scar Bro, >> yes. >> Commissioner Gonzalez, >> yes. >> Commissioner, >> yes. >> Commissioner Joiner, >> yes. >> Commissioner Drake,
>> yes. >> Commissioner Reid, >> yes. >> Motion passes. Thank you. >> Thank you. All right, that's the last item on our agenda. Do I have a motion for adjournment? >> So moved. All >> in favor? I I Thank you, everybody.