Uh we do have a new member uh Bob Baker uh with us tonight. And uh Bob, as tradition, I'd like you to uh tell us a little bit about yourself and why you are interested in serving on this public commission.
>> Well, good evening everybody. Um public service I think has just been a way of life for me for a long time. Um I served 21 years in the Navy. um got to fly F-14 Tomcats for that whole time. So, um I it's it was
service, but it was also a blast, too. So, a lot of fun to do that. And then I flew for Alaska Airlines for 20 years. So, transportation pilot, you know, that kind of go hand in hand. And um I think public service is something every
citizen of this great country, we have so much to be thankful for. Uh, so it's just a natural for me to come and do something like this. >> Thank you, Bob, and welcome to the commission. All right, moving to agenda item two,
approval of the meeting minutes. Uh, the meeting minutes were supplied to everyone. Has everyone had a chance to review them? Um, any comments on them? Uh I did have one comment uh one correction uh when we were talking about
the um uh green or the um uh signal timing uh I think one of the uh uh statements was holding the green and I don't remember which page it's on uh but I think it was intended to be or what was said was holding the red uh for the
three directions. This was uh in relation to the um uh dilemma zone detection. >> I see it at the top of chair uh excuse me top of page four in the middle. I think it says research dilemma zone red
light. I just lost it. >> Yeah, it's the uh it's the the word gets away from me. >> The word green on the second line should be red. >> Hold the green lights on the approaches. >> Yeah, that should be red. Okay, red on that second line.
>> That's correct. >> I will make that change. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Were there any other uh corrections or amendments? >> All right. Hearing none, um I will entertain a motion to approve the
minutes from October 16, 2025. I move to approve the meeting minutes with the uh mentioned amendment from uh session uh from our August uh September 2025 session. >> Second.
>> We have a uh a motion and a second. Uh Susan, you want to call a roll call? Uh >> Chair Wilox >> approved. >> Thank you. Commissioner Marman >> approved. >> Thank you.
Commissioner Kofthile >> approved. >> Thank you. Commissioner Cardella, >> yes. >> Thank you. Commissioner Davis, unless he's there. Okay, he's not there. Commissioner Baker, >> approved. >> Thank you. Minutes are approved as
amended. >> Great. Thanks. Uh item number three, election of a vice chair. Um we are looking for someone to fill the seat, the vacant seat next to me. Um, I'm opening the floor up for
nominations. >> I would like to be considered vice chair. This is Commissioner Cardella. >> Commissioner Cardella, we have uh your nomination. Any others? All right. Well, we have a uh nomination.
Do we need to vote on it, Susan? >> I believe you do. I know it's an action item, but I don't know if we have to do a motion in a second. Maybe just to be safe. >> I I second uh Commissioner Cardella for vice chair.
>> Okay. And who was our motion? I'm sorry. >> Commissioner Cardella. >> Okay. Sorry for my poor memory. Uh let me Okay, so motion by her and second by Coffile. All
right. Chair Wil Coxson. >> Uh yes. Thank you, Commissioner Marman. >> Yes. >> Thank you, Commissioner Kofile. >> Yes. >> Thank you, Commissioner Cardella. >> Yes. >> Thank you, Commissioner Davis.
>> We'll come back to him. Commissioner Baker. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Excellent. >> Congratulations, Vice Chair Cardella. I would bring this over there, but it'll make noise when I bring the tape. So, I'll just try to make sure I address you properly.
Thank you. >> She gets her scepter later on, right? All right. >> And then we'll move you closer. Thank you. >> So, the first two votes of my tenure were both unanimous. I just want to make sure the director is clear.
>> All right. Um, item number four, transportation safety plan, police department, traffic safety, enforcement, and education. Uh, tonight we have Lieutenant Christopher Dia Piaza from the Scottsdale Police Department, traffic enforcement.
Lieutenant, welcome back. And uh >> feel free to take the stand. Good evening everyone. Uh Mr. Chair, commissioners, thank you for having me back again. Uh and I also want to thank you for the large font on the screen here. That's going to make things a lot
easier for me. Um, we worked as a team to put together this presentation. It should be a a good 360 degree view of the police department's uh current and past traffic enforcement efforts. Uh, to start off, we'll just go over our general staffing and the tools we're
using uh to assist with traffic enforcement and education. Uh, our general patrol staff is approximately 160 officers. They're the ones that are patrolling on a daily uh 24/7 365. Uh those are the most obvious vehicles
that our citizens are going to see are fully marked cars, but there's also some uh semi-marked or unmarked cars that are mixed in with that fleet to help with uh more targeted enforcement of aggressive drivers. Uh specific to traffic enforcement, we
do have a dedicated traffic enforcement section uh which I'm the lieutenant over. Uh that section includes the DUI unit, uh two motorcycle units, uh a vehicle crime reconstruction unit. They do uh crash reconstruction for serious
injury and uh fatal crashes. We also have a special events and liquor enforcement section that works in that group. Uh it's a good combination. Uh they help doing some uh investigations on the back end of serious injury
crashes and ones that involved uh DUI. Uh and up until June, we had the photo enforcement and vehicle impound unit uh which is still uh up and running in the police department. Uh just moved over to a new section, but we work with them day
in and day out. Uh we're still all in the same building and it's a seamless transition back and forth. Uh so that section as of this moment has about 30 officers and each one of them have different types of vehicles uh fully marked, semi-marked and motorcycles. Uh
for the photo enforcement system we have uh 11 static locations at 10 intersections and then we have four uh mobile photo enforcement towers. Uh part of enforcement and education is
uh reaching out to the public and outreach. So those outreach efforts are done through our public information office. Uh police department's PIO office does a lot of the forward communications for uh traffic details. Uh any type of task force events uh DUI
task force events are going to be in the region. Uh and they'll also put out some immediate uh uh information on crashes or something that might result in a uh a shutdown of roadways, special events, that type of thing. and the other city uh public uh information officers also
assist with some more planned events uh which is extremely helpful having that uh kind of whole city approach to getting information out to our uh public. Uh as we dig into unit by unit uh motorcycle units, we've got uh two
squads. Uh right now we have uh between 10 and 12 officers depending on uh staffing. um their primary is going to be uh speed and red lights that you're going to you're going to see them work in those intersections. Uh that's usually
targeted enforcement and we target it based on our crash volume, crash rates. Uh they also do constant enforcement in school zones when schools are in session. So, if you ever drive through a school zone in a morning or in the afternoon, you may see a motorcycle officer uh working over near the
crosswalk and then also working the approaches and uh takeaways leaving that school zone, trying to keep everybody driving at safe speeds. Um we've had really good success with safe school zones in Scottsdale. Um so, we're we're really excited about that program and
those deployments and uh we'll continue with those in the future. Uh distracted driving is another big one that we send to our motorcycle units. uh they're well equipped to pull up next to cars and look through the window and see people who are texting instead of paying attention to cars in front of them. So,
that's one of the priorities. And we even do uh distracted driving details where we'll bring together uh both groups of motorcycle officers uh bring in some other uh assistants and have 10 to 20 officers go out and do a saturation detail in a in a roadway
stretch. uh if we have high volume, a lot of contra uh complaints about the area or we're just seeing crashes that are inexplicable, um midblock crashes, that type of thing, a lot of that comes back to distracted driving, people playing on cell phones. So, uh we we've
been leaning into that more and more. We do child seat details. Uh that's in coordination with the governor's office of highway safety. Uh they have a annual program. We participate in that. uh do some public information on the front end and we go out and we'll do some
enforcement to ensure that uh parents are doing the right thing. A lot of that detail is education. Um but those are super effective. Uh red light enforcement as we covered uh pedestrian and bicycle uh awareness. Uh that's
another grant program that we uh work for with assistance of uh governor's office of highway safety. uh motor officers will go out and they'll have time dedicated strictly to pedestrian and bicycle safety. So, uh again, that's going to be a lot of warnings, a lot of contacts of people
that are midblock crossing, not using crosswalks, uh going against the the flow of uh of appropriate traffic depending on if they're a pedestrian or bicycle. uh and reminding or teaching cyclists uh uh
that all traffic laws apply to people on bicycles. Um some cyclists aren't aware of that. They'll ride three, four, five a breast on roadways or they won't stop for red lights. So, the officer will go out, they'll conduct some education, but also some enforcement. They uh they
write tickets with that, too. Our reconstruction unit is five detectives. Four of them are line level, one of them's a sergeant. uh they are going out on your serious injury uh crashes and crashes that result in death. Um they
are on call 247 365. We have at least two detectives and a sergeant on call. So, no matter when those crashes happen, we have a response team that goes out uh and they put together complex investigations that are frequently filed through Maricopa County Attorney's
Office because a lot of those end up uh being felony cases. For those misdemeanor cases uh or civils, we file them through uh city court. Uh DUI unit, uh I believe we have six positions uh for the DUI unit right now.
Um, they do uh evening most of the time, evening to nighttime uh DUI enforcement. They're all going to be in what we call semi-marked cars. Uh, you know, most people would call them unmarked cars. They've got no external markings, but they do have lights, and they're the
ones that you'll see out there, uh, working our roadways and making stops, looking for impaired drivers, be it DUI drugs or DUI alcohol. Uh, they are extremely effective in what they do. uh frequently one of the more productive groups in in the valley.
Photo enforcement sites as we covered 11 fixed sites. They're at 10 different intersections. We have four mobile sites. Uh the vendor can move those around. Uh our program manager does a great job of doing analysis to see where they are most effective. They are rotated through uh school zones. Uh they
are a great tool for citizen complaints and they're also very good for uh high crash approaches. uh for each one of those uh a PD employee are the ones who review and issue citations and notices of violation. So it's actually somebody that's going to be assigned to the
police department that does that. Uh the next item is going to be sources of traffic complaints. Uh we have citizen generated complaints. They've got a a number of different ways they can get complaints inquiries to the police department. One of them is through Scottdale EZ. uh very
userfriendly portal. Another way is going to be uh calling their local district, calling the police department, calling dispatch. That gets routed through to a complaint line that we have and the motor officers manage that on the police side. And they also will email uh district commanders, uh
community police officers, sometime police officers that they know from previous contacts. Uh, our motors have a lot of really good local community contacts, HOA leads, and they'll get emails from them and they will go out and work those. Uh, officer initiated.
Um, those are some of my favorites because uh, it's officers that are really keyed in on their beats. They're really keyed in on their beats. are really focused on what's going on around them and they will notice that pe people are speeding in a certain area or people are uh you know rolling through a stop
sign in a certain area. So a lot of officers will initiate their own complaints or observations. They'll send them out to their district teams and then we'll turn into a team project to see if we can mitigate the problem. Uh frequently enforcement does help and we see positive results.
uh crash reports. That's another way that we can target our enforcement. Um we do quarterly reviews of our crash reports. Uh every two years a uh traffic volume and crash report is published. We use that to really dial in and focus on
long-term problems. Um we will work with uh the transportation team. Uh they do a great job of coming up with engineering solutions when they are feasible. if they're not feasible or even once they're implemented, the police department steps in and we will
reinforce the new engineering if speed limits are changed, if the stop sign is added. Um, so it's kind of a team effort. Uh, photo enforcement data is also a great uh pointer for us. Uh, if the photo enforcement system is put on a a
midblock area and it shows a high volume of speeding, uh, we're going to rotate it out. we're going to move it to the next problem location. But we now know that data and that data is going to get sent out to all of our officers. It comes out on a weekly basis. Uh our
program manager uh puts that together and that gets to every officer and every supervisor and they can then uh push out targeted enforcement requests. Uh additional to all the enforcement education we discussed, we have a lot of education and outreach programs. um when
you're driving on the roads, most people are following the rules and that's voluntary compliance. They understand the laws, they understand the rules, most people are going to comply with it. So to limit the need for enforcement, uh good outreach really does improve
behavior. If people know the rules, most will follow them. So we have something called a know your limits detail. Uh that one's kind of unique. Uh started up in Scottsdale many years ago. spread uh nationally and we'll have groups of officers that go out to
special events or the bar district uh entertainment district and they will uh approach people with a portable breath test, a breathalyzer, PBT, and they will give them the opportunity to blow and see what their blood alcohol is. Um the benefit to this is there's a question
before and after and the question is, "Do you think you're okay to drive right now?" And people give an honest answer because they didn't just get pulled over. they're not in a bad situation. Most people think this is kind of a fun thing to do and they'll give an honest answer and then we will let them know what their blood alcohol is. And that is
a really good pointer for people. We have a lot of people that think they're okay to drive and when they see that PBT result, they decide that they're going to get in an Uber or take a cab home. They're not going to drive. Um the goal is for that to be a life lesson, not just a one night fix. But uh successful
program uh slow down Scottsdale, we worked that with the transportation team. Um another effective program uh good outreach letting people know uh slow down, pay attention to speed limits, uh school zones. The other one
is uh we use public outreach via social media. So all the PIOs in the city are great. uh they're all on the same page and it will put out uh social media notifications about, you know, slow down in this area, we've got a crash in this area, use a different road. Um and then
it'll also put out for warnings and uh public messaging if a specific detail is going to be conducted. Scouts the website is another good place to go for education and outreach. GOHS, I think we touched on all of these grants. So these are grants that we
touch on. One of them speed focused, another one is pedestrian and bicycle safety. And then we have two different DUI grants that we use. One is a federal fund, another is a state abatement fund. Crash reduction details. As we
discussed, we get crash data um on a quarterly and then we will do some deep dives and try to determine where enforcement is most appropriate. Uh so those are the details where we'll get 10 to 20 officers in one location.
DUI saturation. Uh if you ever have a night where you're going out to dinner uh or going out to an evening event and you look up and down Scottdale Road and it looks like there's 10 people pulled over in a matter of five miles, that is a DUI saturation detail. Um coordinated
through the Governor's Office of Highway Safety, we are part of the East Valley Task Force. Uh, and when we host a task force event in Scottsdale, we could have six or seven different agencies all posted up at our command post and the officers will all be conducting
enforcement in Scottsdale. Um, those are extremely effective. Uh, we noticed that as we host, we'll start seeing dips in our DUIs just in that weekend alone because if people see a lot of police officers on the road on
Friday, Saturday we're actually a little lighter. So, uh, good short-term impacts and, uh, based on stats, we would assume, uh, the long-term impacts are also positive. Uh, it's really good program, sends a good message, encourages people to get home safely and
legally. Uh, repeat offenders, uh, DUI repeat offenders. A lot of people have questions about these, so we've added it to the presentation. Um, your first DUI has a penalty if you were fined to uh found guilty in court or if you've pled guilty.
If you have subsequent DUIs within certain time frames, your penalty increases uh for the second one and increases for the third one. Um, so you have increased penalties for DUIs. So repeat offenders uh have more repercussions than your first time
offenders. So, first time, yes, there is a steep penalty, uh, but it's a learning process, and we hope that you don't reaffend. If you do reoffend, there's a very good chance that you're going to have stiffer penalties all the way up to felonies. Um, and people do go to prison
for DUI. Uh, they do it quite frequently if they have multiple DUIs, especially if they result in uh, injury or death. Uh, photo enforcement. Um, we touched on the overall program. Uh, something that we do for repeat uh, offenders with the
photo enforcement program is we put together packets for repeat offenders. Um, somebody who may rack up five or more, 10 or more civil violations that will all be uh, put together into a single packet and we will assign that to
a a uniform police officer to go knock on their door and serve them in person. Um, reason for that is one, if they've racked up that many speed or red light tickets, uh, it's probably appropriate for them to have a discussion with the police officer. Two, it's a efficient
method of service. And three, uh, it, uh, speeds up the court process. Once everything's served, it can move through the courts quicker and hopefully a penalty, uh, is the result, and we get some behavior modification, and then they don't become repeat offenders in
the future. Uh we do the same thing with our high-speed offenders. Threshold is uh around 90 miles an hour. Um we've done some below that, but mostly 90 miles an hour or above. Um we will put together a criminal packet. It is
illegal to do uh it is a crime to uh speed 20 miles an hour or more over the limit. We give a little bit of grace before we put together a criminal packet, but 90 m hour is a pretty solid threshold on city streets. and we will have an officer go visit them. Uh at
times they're cited and released and there's other times where they are arrested and brought to jail for those offenses. Ebike enforcement. Uh five years ago, I never thought I'd have this slide for this commission. Um they're everywhere now. Uh they're
everywhere. Uh at first there was no rules, but now there's rules. uh the state, the city uh did a great job catching up and catching up quickly. I think uh our ability to catch up with new micromobility uh options um has
really improved. So, uh, city of Scottsdale, you can see the list of stakeholders got together. They put together a, uh, a city ordinance 17-771, and that provides some parameters for,
uh, who can ride a ebike, when they can ride an ebike, where they can ride a ebike, speed limits, uh, and also has some, uh, provisions reference sale of ebikes in the city of Scottsdale. Uh and then we also do uh targeted education and enforcement details on ebikes. Uh a
lot of the riders are young kids. Uh middle school is pretty common. Uh I think once they get to high school and they get a car, ebike isn't really the primary mode of transportation, but those middle school kids are in that age range. So we've been doing a lot of education partnerships with the schools.
Schools have been great. They've really helped out getting the word out, putting out laws, uh publishing stuff for families. Our officers and PIOs do the same. If there are uh people using ebikes that are in violation of law, uh
they they do get tickets and uh they can also be impounded. So, we will impound that through our tow vendor. Uh, I believe this is our last slide, but it's just a quick chart of our enforcement efforts
in calendar year 2024. Um, we wrote a lot of tickets. Uh, and we are working as hard as we can to get those crash numbers down and we're hoping to get the DUI arrest down. Um, that's one of those numbers.
You want to see a lot of DUI arrest because you know your officers are really effective and you also don't want to see any DUI arrest because it'd be nice if people didn't drive while impaired. Um, that's a constant balance, but uh our our programs are effective and uh I'm super happy with our current
state of affairs when it comes to traffic safety in Scottsdale. Um, and I am super happy with our officers efforts. They they've really put a lot of effort into all of these programs. That being said, I'll open it up to you all. Any questions? >> Thank you, Lieutenant, and thank you for
your service, your continued service on our roads. Um, questions, >> Lee, >> I'm going to have a few questions. So, thank you for your patience. Um, I did very much appreciate the, uh,
presentation. So, thank you. Um, so I guess the first one is when you said you've got the distracted driving unit. Um, I was curious, you said they are trained to look through the window, see if people are texting, etc., etc. Do they just randomly pull up next to
people to look through their windows or are they looking through the back or like what what causes what what would cause somebody to go look through a driver's window? >> Uh, Mr. Chair Commissioners. Uh, good question. Uh, so that's going to be our
motorcycle units probably the most effective. Every officer can see somebody using their phone. Uh, being on a motorcycle, uh, it's a little clearer view. They're sitting up a little higher. They've got good views through windows. They'll just be behind somebody and they'll see them playing on their
phone. They'll see them swerving. Pull up next to them and see that they're playing on their phone. Uh, frequently people that are on their phone are so distracted they don't notice the fully marked BMW motorcycle in the lane next to them as they're texting their friends. Um, frequently people will be
at a red light next to an officer on a fully marked motorcycle texting, no issue there, until they then accelerate and start driving down the roadway at 45 miles an hour while still texting and no hands on the wheel. So, um, our officers
have kind of picked up on the cues and they've been pretty effective in, uh, identifying and writing citations. >> Uh, do do other types of distractions come into it? Like, uh, since you mentioned like no no hand driving, like, uh, you know, basically if I'm eating
while driving or something like that, is that something that's uh, enforced or looked at at all or is there other types of distractions or is it just primarily just like mobile devices? >> Uh, Mr. sharing commissioners. Uh, another good question. I I actually asked that question a number of times
earlier in my career. Um, no laws against eating while driving. >> Okay. >> Uh, so the distracted driving statute is specific to cell phone holding use, uh, balancing, manipulating. Uh, but no, the the old pulling open a map. Uh, that's
not a citable offense. >> Just if they're driving dangerously then, right? Yes, if they're holding up a map and uh failing to obey other traffic laws, they they'll be cited for those other traffic laws, but the distracted driving laws
specific to cell phones and other electronic devices. >> Okay. Thank you. Um you mentioned uh for the pedestrian cyclist safety um one of the things that you look for is mid midblock crossings
or things like that. uh where I happen to live uh there's not any crosswalks you know within like half a mile of of where I am and I live directly be between two crosswalks so it's a quarter mile walk for either one so I see a lot
of uh midblock crossings there do you share that information with the transportation department to say like hey this area you might want to think about putting in crosswalks or hawk signals or some other type of pedestrian thing because it seems like there is a
general want for for that here. Is that information shared at all? >> Uh Mr. Chair and commissioners, uh we have constant conversations back and forth. Uh it it's very impressive relationship the amount that our staff
is communicating. Uh midblock crossings are are one of the discussions that we do have. Hawks are discussions that we've had. Um and it's a back and forth. We'll talk to them about engineering solutions. They'll talk to us about enforcement solutions. And uh we always
work together and come up with a a single solution or sometimes multiple a as a team. So yeah, there there's constant communication back and forth between the two teams. >> Um on the Scottsdale subreddit, like at least weekly, there's always uh somebody
on there going like, "Hey, I got a citation in the mail for this. What do I do?" And uh the advice constantly is just ignore it and it'll go away if you do. Um is that because they say like it's done by a the citation is issued by a third party, but from what your
presentation, it sounds like the citation is uh reviewed and sent by uh the police department, the city of Scottsdale, not by uh third party or anything like that. The cameras are run by the city as well. Is that is that correct? >> Yeah, Mr. Chair and commissioners. Uh
that's 100% correct. Okay. >> Uh it is not a third party issuing the citations. It is a police department employee at times police officers who are issuing those citations. >> Okay. And then um
so you you you said for the mobile units, the mobile photo enforcement um you'll see like a bunch of activity in midblock or whatever that and then you'll move the unit and then uh that information will be shared with other officers and things like that. what what
exactly is done with the data wi with that information like what what is expected what's the next steps I guess is the question like once you have that information what is like the next steps that that typically is done by you or uh or when you or do you pass that on and
what do you expect to see happen there uh Mr. chair and commissioners. Uh uh that was a reference to uh the photo enforcement systems can get placed out and we can even get data from uh from static systems. Uh and it shows us the
number of vehicles that passed the system during the period of time it was deployed, the percentage of those vehicles that were under the speed limit, the percentage that were over, the percentage that were 10 or more over, the percentage that were 20 or more over. So, it's a very simple location,
traffic volume, and then the percentage of vehicles or number of vehicles over whatever threshold. Um, so that's the data that goes out to police officers. Uh, and we will ask them to go out and conduct enforcement if we have areas that have super high rates of speed. Um,
so that that's the the basic data that goes out. And then what the expectation is is district teams, police officers, sergeants, lieutenants, they look at that data along with other crime data we have and it helps with their directed enforcement and policing.
>> Thank you. Um I wanted to say uh uh your use of the word crash instead of accident. I really appreciate that. I think that's we we talk a lot about the use of changing the way we talk about these things and so it's good to see that the police that they're doing that
there um for ebike enforcement. I happened to be at Fashion Square this weekend and uh there were two kids on uh motorbikes, electric motorbikes and they look like you know uh motorcycles or uh dirt dirt bikes basically. They're
riding around there. they weren't being what I would call dangerous. You know, they're going like 3 4 miles an hour and they were just slowly trying to wind their way through. What What kind of action uh would the city would would would the police department take for
something like that if you know uh I mean that security guards I think eventually chase them out but they were trying to catch them down. I saw them like they would go down the stairs and then the police off or the security officer is like waving at them from upside telling them to get out and then you know they're they're trying to track them down but generally what what's the
action for for behavior like that? >> Uh Mr. Chair and commissioners uh reference ebike enforcement. Uh first I'll say I am not the authority on this. Uh I have a sergeant that's absolutely phenomenal at this stuff. uh he educates me uh on a monthly to catch me up to
current trends, current laws. That being said, uh if they're operating on private property, uh police officers aren't going to uh they can't do enforcement on private property. Uh once they hit public rightway, uh public sidewalks, public roadways, then they can start
pulling people over if they uh violate the law. So, if they violate Scotsler Revis code, they violate uh title 20 28, title 13. If it's something uh that falls into title 13, officers just initiate a traffic stop just like any other motor vehicle. Um they'll initiate
a stop, sirens, and then they'll move through a stop like any other traffic stop. Uh and enforcement is occasionally uh often these days uh the res the way that gets resolved. Um but we still have a lot of
uh education. >> How is um like the the the new like you said the the the code 7 17 dash etc. Um how is testing done on that to determine whether it's a class one, class two,
class three or something else? Uh because I I know in other jurisdictions they actually have like mobile units where they'll mount the bike on there and then turn the throttle and see how fast it'll go. And I'm assuming we don't have something like that. So how is uh
how is enforcement done to determine what kind of uh vehicle that those those mobility devices are? >> Uh Mr. Chair and commissioners, uh we don't have one of those uh tools. I've seen those on the internet, too. uh we have what I would say a more effective
tool. Uh so what we ended up doing is we uh worked with our city attorney's office, prosecutor's office, and uh the folks at the state who created their laws and we created a flowchart and identification chart uh that's far
simpler, far more low tech than uh the device you described. Uh that's posted on our Scottsdale website. Uh every citizen has access to that. They go to uh scotteddaleaz.gov. They can go in there and do a search for ebikes and there's a flowchart and it
shows exactly how to identify class one, class two, and class three. Uh officers have been trained on that. They have access to the site and we've printed out flyers for them so they can go out there. Um, a lot of it can be determined just by looking at the bike and a rider. And then a lot of it is once you commit
uh once you uh conduct a traffic stop, they'll conduct additional investigation to determine what threshold they're at. And then um thank thank you uh for that. One fi final question then again um for
the for the citation versus the um so that that previous slide traffic stops versus citations or uh photo enforcement violation review versus citations. Uh it's like it looks like for the photo enforcement like 40% are not cited. Um
and then it's something a little less than 50% are not cited for for actual traffic stops. And I was just wondering what's especially for photo enforcement, what what's the why would somebody not be cited because I I understand those cameras are already for speeding.
They're already set to be like 11 miles over I think is what you said last time you were here. And then uh and then Yeah. So I'm just curious what the uh what what what the reasons are people aren't cited after the review or when
they pull somebody over. I I assume when they pull somebody over that's uninformational. It's just like, "Hey, this is why I pulled you over. Need you to clean up your act or something." So, >> um, Mr. Chair and commissioners, uh, we'll start with the officer side of the house. Uh, officers have discretion. Uh,
once they make a traffic stop, they can make a determination if they think the behavior modification is going to come just from that traffic stop and a conversation or if a citation is more appropriate for the behavior modification. At the end of the day, the goal isn't to issue a ticket every time.
The goal is to maybe wake somebody up, give them a quick notice, and try to get them back into that voluntary compliance zone. Um, but if the officer determines that the citation's appropriate, they'll issue it. For the photo enforcement uh program, uh there are citations that are
issued and then there's notices of violation that are issued. Uh notices of violation are issued for a variety of reasons. Uh it may be uh a vehicle that's registered to you and uh they haven't positively identified the driver of the car. So that could result in a
notice of violation. Um there's a few other items that would result in a notice of violation. Inability to identify the driver. Um uh there's probably about four or five other items. Uh I am not the expert on that. I there's a program manager uh
that runs that program and uh he is well attuned to all of that. But uh that's why you see that gap in numbers. >> Okay. So it's uh citation when they but okay versus notice of violation. That's the difference there. Perfect. Uh thank you for your patience and answering all
my questions. >> Absolutely. Thank you for the questions. >> Thank you. Uh Bob Marman and then Bob Baker. >> Thank you Mr. Chairman. My questions were touched on already. >> Great. Bob, >> I live in North Scottdale off of
Dynamite. And currently there's a um photo enforcement uh station there. And there's the actual camera and then before the camera there's two uh signs that tell them the camera is
coming. So everybody slams on their brakes as they approach the camera. And I I I've never seen anybody get dinged by the camera. Why Why do you have those two signs there to tell them the camera's coming?
>> Uh Mr. Chair and Commissioners, outstanding question. Um that is required by law. State law. So the the warning signs are required by state law. any have you ever talked to anybody that
could give any I mean it doesn't it just doesn't make sense to me because a lot of those a lot of the people are speeding but then they get to the the signs before the camera slam you can see you can see them slamming on their brakes so they don't get caught by the camera
>> so by state law once you hit a certain speed threshold for certain speeds up until uh the signs are required at other speeds it's not required uh I couldn't tell you what the exact threshold is like I said the program manager would be more of an expert on that. Um, but the
purpose of the program is not to just write tickets. Uh, the hope is behavior modification and education. Uh, we've seen a positive impact on the program. Uh, not just from writing a bunch of tickets. So, those signs while people
are dynamiting their brakes and they are sli slowing down quickly. Um, that's part of the messaging we're trying to get out is be aware, pay attention to your surroundings. And then the people who are going so fast that their reduction in speed still brings them to
11 or more, they're getting a citation. Um, the people who are playing on their phone, distracted, not paying attention to their surroundings, and they go through 11 or more, they're going to get a citation. So, uh, there's a lot of education involved in a program. Uh we
notice after deploying the site the speed on a roadway and number of violations do go down. If we put a a motor officer out there a week later uh they're going to see less people uh driving at ludicrous speed. Um so it's effective. I do understand that uh
there's times you'd like to just see people get citations for speeding, but the program is fine-tuned for education and enforcement. >> I see. Thank you, >> Commissioner Cardell. Thank you. Thank you for including the
stats from 2024 in terms of uh citations and DUIs and all of that. Are you able to speak at all to any trends over the last several years or I mean I guess relative to population because I'm assuming everything's probably gone up. It's just there's more people and tourists here and such. But can you
speak to any trends over time? >> Uh Mr. Chair and Commissioner, I don't have that at my fingertips. Um, yeah, I I'll add that for the next one and uh I can pass some information through afterwards. We'll see what we can find.
>> Uh, Chair Davis, are you or excuse me, uh, Commissioner Davis, are you on the line? >> I am. Thank you. Um, I I did have one question. Um, is there any kind of sharing of um, I guess best practices or potentially new technologies that could
be used for enforcement purposes amongst the various police departments in the valley or nationally? Uh, Mr. Chair, I I couldn't understand that. If one of you could summarize and send it back to me. >> Uh, if I understood the question correctly, I believe uh, Commissioner
Commissioner Davis was asking about um, best practices uh, within the valley or nationally that Scottsdale is benefiting from as far as traffic enforcement uh, and other new technology that's being used elsewhere. kind of like
Commissioner Cuffile mentioned. >> Got it. Uh Mr. Chair, commissioners, uh thank you for the question. Uh we are, you know, I would say we're on the cutting edge of of technology and we are well within and usually far beyond uh
local standards when it comes to traffic enforcement. Uh our department has a very high focus on traffic enforcement and crash reduction. Uh not only do we have that dedicated section uh beyond just a couple squads, it's that entire
section, but we have all the data flow that goes out to our patrol officers who are working 247. They're assigned to districts and then select beats, so small geographic areas, a couple square miles, and they use the data that we provide them to target enforcement for
speed, for red lights. So, we're pretty far ahead of the curve with the the data and technology that we have. The photo enforcement system is a phenomenal program for crash reduction, speed reduction. Um, so absolute blessing having that in Scottsdale. Love the
program. Um, we also have some other technology where we can do uh speed studies. Uh, the transportation team has helped us with a lot of them. They can put speed tubes out to get readings for volume and speed. Uh the police department also has uh the ability to
put up uh portable devices that do no video, no photo. Uh they're just speed recording devices. And we're able to create reports that will dial all the way down to uh the most impactful hour of a day that officers can go out there
and spend time for targeted enforcement. Uh there's nothing more frustrating for an officer who has a 10-hour shift that's told that they have a traffic problem in their beat and they don't know the exact time to go because they end up going, they'll spend two, three hours there and it turns out that it was
the wrong two or three hours. So using those tools helps us kind of dial in and refine when we do the enforcement. >> Commissioner Davis, was that does that answer your question? >> It it does. I'm I'm happy to hear that we are uh ahead of the curve techwise.
Thank you for your presentation. >> Um I just had a couple questions. Um first of all, um I seem to remember a time when uh Scottsdale was not in the same 911 system as the rest of the valley or at
least the uh the uh adjoining cities. I believe that is corrected. Is that correct? Um, Mr. Chair and commissioners, uh, the police department has their own 911 center in Scottsdale. So, we have our own standalone 911 center,
>> right? But it, um, does it is communication between the different cities adjoining Scottsdale uh, pretty seamless or do they is there? >> It is uh, we're all the the valley is on
a regional uh, work group. So that regional work group allows us to patch through to local agencies back and forth. And our dispatchers have the ability to send uh voice information, also written information to dispatchers across the valley. And they can choose
if they want to get information to the neighboring agency or if they're trying to send something out on PAP, which is a a regional uh communication network. Um, so it it is uh the closest thing to seamless as as you can get and it's uh super effective and uh we use it
frequently. Uh I if not on a daily basis, I would say probably on a daily basis, but uh uh very frequently we're patching through to other agencies or they're patching through to us. We can all join talk on the same channel and uh it's made things a lot safer uh for
everybody on the road and it's made it much easier if there's a transfer of jurisdiction. >> Great. That's what I wanted to hear. Um, and then based on your staffing numbers, it looks like there's no problem being competitive for pay. Uh, I know some of
the valley cities are losing officers to higher paying agencies. Uh, it looks like Scottsdale is not one of them. Your pay is pretty competitive. >> Uh, Mr. Commissioner and, uh, sorry, Mr. Chair and commissioners, uh, I would say that we are well compensated
at this point. I know uh our council has done a phenomenal job uh keeping us competitive. Our city manager has done a great job keeping us competitive. Our chief, past chief. Um I have absolutely no complaints. Uh and I know our staff is very happy and uh we are competitive
in the valley right now. >> Great. Great to hear. And then my last question has to do with photo enforcement. I I appreciate your uh description of it even though you're not necessarily the expert on it. Um the um I was intrigued though um Scottsdale
doesn't really make money from photo enforcement. It's kind of a break even type thing, but it does having a intersection that has photo enforcement does relieve officers from having to patrol that for red light violations. Um
has there been any move to your knowledge of increasing the numbers of intersections that have permanent red light cameras? Uh, Mr. Chair, commissioners, uh, I'll state it on the front end. Uh, I deal with the enforcement side of the program or I I
did for the five years that I managed that program. Uh, but I never really dialed into the financial side of it. We always focused on the the crash mitigation side, speed reduction side. So, I was on that side of the data curve. So, I can't speak on the uh the finances of the program. When it comes
to uh adding intersections, um we are always looking to rightsize and modify all of our programs. Uh everything from uh officer staffing to technology deployed around the department. Uh so yes, uh the discussion of adding
intersections has come up. Uh it's a complex discussion. Uh the first time I had the discussion, I thought it was an easy one until the uh the manager who ran the program and knows it inside and out uh educated me uh on the fact that it's not just about adding an intersection that comes with adding
staffing and then with added staffing comes added office space. And it's a a snowballing discussion. Um not something I would say is impossible but uh or improbable. It's just a it's a big project to expand beyond where we're at
uh feasible and uh I'm lucky enough in my mid-level position that those decisions can be made at higher levels. >> I appreciate that. Thank you, Lieutenant. Any other questions? Great. Thank you again, Lieutenant. And uh thank you for your service and be safe out there,
>> Mr. Chair, commissioners. Thank you so much. Have a good evening. >> All right. Our next uh agenda item is number five, transportation safety plan, workforce and emergency responders safety in the right of way. Uh we'll be we'll see a presentation by Nathan
Domain. Nathan, >> thank you chair Coxin and members of the transportation commission. Um, I will start off with workforce and safety for our workforce in the ride ofway and then I'll pass it over to Captain Sasha
Weller, the health and safety officer with the uh Scottsdale Fire Department and he'll talk about emergency responders. So, we'll start with the purpose. Uh the Scottsdale Transportation Safety Plan includes a section is going to include a section
for workforce and emergency responder safety in the rightway. Uh the framework is to protect employees, contractors, and emergency responders in that public rideway and the public uh during all work within the public rideway. This is
to include the roadways, alleys, paved paths, unpaved trails and frontages, all that jurisdiction or that area that we're focused on. Uh this was a um point of emphasis in our safety plan. something that's not particularly included in a lot of these safety plans
across the nation to uh to talk about workforce safety, but we have a lot of employees working next to high vehicles, high speeds, and we wanted to make a point of emphasis in our safety plan to identify that as well as the emergency responders that are constantly in that
uh that rideway. So, uh, they do present a risk due to the high operational speeds, the changing traffic patterns, the complex work layouts, abnormal road conditions. Um, so city staff and contractors are performing this this work constantly during construction,
maintenance, inspections, surveying. We have endless different types and reasons why we're in the right of way and uh, a large part of our focus is being there. So, wanted to make sure that we we look at opportunities that we can increase safety for them. emergency responders obviously in the right of way during a
work zone during an a crash that has happened and and how quickly and fast we can can uh remove that situation but at the same time keeping everybody safe while that's happening and then also an emphasis on the members of the traveling public during these work areas. So
especially in including bicyclists, pedestrians and transit riders. A lot of times when we've closed the road down or have construction barricades up for uh road work, pedestrians and bicyclists take a a a pretty substantial hit when
it comes to their connectivity. Uh Puma Road is a good example now of the detour that we've had to to deal with as we've been fixing southern Puma. So the common risk the most common uh
and uh hazards in the rightway struck by or intrusions in the work zone speed and operating and operating environment. So speeding in those work zones obviously um complex traffic interactions. So if uh the traveling public is unfamiliar
with the conditions of the road, that can lead to unsafe conditions or or hasty decisions being made and then and complicated situations, vulnerable uh uh road users. So once again emphasizing that when we put in these barricades, there is often impacts to the bike lanes
and the pedestrian zones. visibility. So, night work, glare, low low vision um can also lead to we got a lot of dust, fog. We got construction worker happening at
night and that could lead to some some serious conditions uh environmental stressors and then public interactions in the work zone and just aggression towards that work zone. All things we wanted to highlight and emphasize in this plan. And then goals that we wanted
to incorporate to to look to mitigate those risks also to mitigate any kind of injuries would be first and foremost as all sections of the plan to eliminate or see a downgrade in uh fatility of fatalities and serious injuries to
workers and emergency responders in the ride ofway. Uh reduce work zone intrusions and struck by incidents by prioritizing separation of traffic, speed management and engineering. uh protections before relying on personal protective uh equipment. So seeing what
mitigation steps we can take before we're just saying let's slap a vest on somebody and they can be safe. Uh protect vulnerable road users through accessible predictable detours and channelization. Making sure that we take an extra emphasis on those bicycle and pedestrians to those work zones. Ensure
appropriate training and certifications uh for field staff. This was a point of emphasis when we had a meeting about this internally to talk about it and talk about applying to us an appropriate level of training to make sure that our staff is well aware of the risks
associated with working in the rightway. Strengthen coordination between law enforcement and fire um during incident management. This is obviously on display tonight as we have both of those departments in house and we want to keep that uh engagement with both law
enforcement and fire um open and constantly communicating when it comes to this and then improved reporting and learning through through consistently documenting incidents and near misses. um those near misses being the the key
aspect of that incidents obviously get reported but um if there's a near miss that could be helpful information for us to see just because it was missed this time it could be a lucky accident and there could be ways that we can improve that moving forward in the future. Um so
approach the framework uses a structured risk assessment to match the controls uh to conditions in the field. So establish a criteria for when particular protection um is needed of police
support or full closures when detours are necessary. Um traffic and uh geometric evaluation use approach speeds, heavy volumes, heavy vehicle percentages and site distance tapers, buffer spaces and clear zones and then a
heat risk assessment. We know that it gets very hot in Arizona. We have a lot of of work happening in the summer. One of our particularly heavy periods for construction in the rightway is during that summer events. Um that is because
we know that there's low volumes on our roadways. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't take extra emphasis to make sure that we have taken the necessary steps to keep our our field work safe during the hot months.
Um, so the framework uh for the hierarchy of of trying to make decisions on what we're relying on to keep our staff safe in the rightway is elimination of that conflict. So work outside of the travel way wherever feasible. So whether
that's con uh protective barriers, whether that's night work, whether that's any kind of ways to to limit that that conflict between the um traveling public and our work source. So, we know that we have pothole crews that go out there and they're
going out there with just a truck and pretty limited protections, no traffic control plans and and just going out there to get the pothole done as much as possible, but looking to how we can mitigate just pulling the truck over at
60 65 mph speeds and and and hope that they stay safe. uh engineering controls, so appropriate protection, egress management, speed management, lane taper management, making sure that if we do have traffic control plans, we're doing all the necessary steps and as much
protection as possible to keep everybody safe. And then administrative controls, public information and outreach um aggression during uh traffic during a work zone can be very problematic. So making sure that we get public information out and outreach so people
are informed that that uh work zone is there. If they don't want to deal with it, they can find a uh an alternate route or they just being aware of it at least can mitigate uh anger of its of its presence. And then finally uh
relying on on PPE or personal protective equipment um training. So, making sure that we go into a a structured focus on training, making sure we do uh refreshers for safety and participation
in regular training sessions. Um, making sure that our our supervisor and our leads have at least assessed the work zone risks, the work zone itself, and um and then taking leadership in any heat illnesses. And then for our traffic
controls, uh, any recognized TCE credentials authority for the TCP to design an adjustment. I know that they they want they take pride in in the TCP review. They want that that that control to make sure that they um are listened
to, adhereed to, and and the the advice that they're giving on the TCPs are are is good advice to keep everybody safe. So just making sure that we we emphasize that what they're doing is important and and we want to take their
their designs for the TCP as serious as we possibly can. And then um equipment specific qualifications spotters back training. So that pothole truck making sure that we may have a a truck in the back to to limit um
safety concerns. the safety culture uh routine reporting of incidents and near misses. Once again, that near misses and the use of the information for continuous improvement. We want to exercise that that even the near misses are important
to hear about and and make sure that we evaluate them and determine what was happening there and how can we improve on that. Regular leadership presence in the field. So any kind of audit audits or or safety walks to to determine if everything has been put up appropriately
and everything's working. we saw on the loop 101. Um I guess I can can throw them under the bus right here because it wasn't our staff but ADOT but there was oh sorry Gary um but there was uh there was some some very concerns with how
short those on-ramps were and but in kudos to ADOT there was there was strong mitigation of that and fixing of that as as it got um evaluated and improved. So, so making sure that even if we put the traffic control down, making sure we go out there, look at it, and see if
there's modifications that can be made and use a measurable safety metrics for the crews and the programs. So, measurable safety metrics to make sure that they keep following and staying as safe as possible for themselves. Bicycle, pedestrian, and traffic safety. Once again, those vulnerable roadway
users in and around um work zones. Lots of times the sidewalks get closed. Lots of times the bike will the bike lanes are the first to go when it comes to a a roadway improvement. And so making sure that we find those temporary routes. Um make sure we have clear and hopefully
restrictive um signs to to to prevent people from walking into that work zone. Um, I know that it's it's pretty aggravating and um debilitating to be walking and then all of a sudden see a full closure of your sidewalk. But it's very important to
make sure that we keep people out of that that work zone. the Chaperel underpass being a key example of making sure that we put those fences all the way into the lake all the way around so that nobody would be uh walking into an unfinished
um underpass and uh I know that that closed the multiase path off for a while and and that impacted people a lot but we want to make sure that the traveling public's safe not walking into the work zone but also have those appropriate detour tours to take Um and then transit
access, making sure that we maintain um access to those existing stops if they're there. If they're not there, which we right now have a detour going through, making sure that we put up um temporary platforms and temporary stops at places so that that accessibility to
that transit routes are still available. And then now I will pass it over to the fire department for uh discussion about uh emergency responses. Good evening. My name is Sasha Weller. I'm a fire captain with the Scottsdale Fire Department. Currently assigned as the health and safety officer uh for the
department. Uh the bulk of my responsibility is in training compliance right now uh for our first responders. So we develop uh all of our response around an allhazards approach. uh all hazards approach in the modern fire service is uh we have a common saying as
our fire chief would say if it's not bullets and bad guys it belongs to the fire department. We respond to structure fires, wildland fires, emergency medical services needs, uh hazardous materials, uh mountain rescue, trail rescue, uh any
any of the hazards that the community uh might come into contact with as individuals or u largescale incidents as we respond uh not only as a singular fire department, but as a regional response system. and then part of a greater response system um in what is
known as the urban area safety initiative and then a statewide and national response system in both hazardous materials uh response uh weapons of mass destruction etc etc. Um what we typically see that we're dealing with quite a bit on our streets are
collisions and crashes. Um as a part of that those turn into uh fuel spills, hazardous materials incidents. uh hazardous materials incidents that we're going to see typically from your what I would call your garden variety uh
vehicle crash are going to be fairly insignificant as it relates to the actual hazard uh hazardous materials incidents are are classified from the smallest spill to the very very large uh small being things that are under 50
gallons and normal chemicals things that you're going to see on a daily basis fuels oils uh those types of things uh all the way up to anything we're going to see large tanker trucks full of any number of different chemicals that would be carried throughout our city. We don't
have a specific hazardous carrier route within our city. Uh so any of those things are going to typically going to be at a large scale going to be at a slower speed. Uh however, water campuses, uh pool companies, etc., etc., etc., are
going to be always carrying large quantities of uh chemicals such as acids, chlorines, corrosives, those types of things. So, we do deal with all of those things. Uh flooding is a a huge issue for us. Uh we don't deal with as
much the roadway problem as that we deal with when our roadways are flooded, drivers entering the roadway. Uh, and then our responders are out in the uh in the storms rescuing those people. Um, fortunately, I think I'll knock on wood
a little bit. Uh, last night I don't think we had to rescue anybody, but if you remember a few weeks ago when we had a great deal of floods on the busiest night, I think we rescued some 10 to 12 motorists out of their vehicles. Uh, those are uh are very hazardous rescues
for our responders. uh they're uh high high risk low frequency. Uh so we train quite a bit on those. Uh but as fortunate as we are to have our green belt system, it does present a set of challenges when it is flooded. Uh and so
you'll see quite a few of the hazards that we're dealing with during the uh water saturation events u surrounded around the green belt and and the the streets that lead in and around that. Uh vehicle fires uh are a common hazard of
ours. We hear a lot these days about electrical vehicle fire or electric vehicle fire fires. Uh while those are an incredible hazard, they're few and far between. Uh most of the transportation stuff that we're going to see electric wise that uh really cause
fires are are tend to be your ebikes and smaller equipment. uh the vehicles themselves, larger motor vehicles, car passenger vehicles. Uh we really don't see that many of the electrical vehicle electric vehicle uh fires. I think we've seen
two that are really reportable over the past couple years. That said, when those vehicles do catch fire, uh they have what is called a thermal runaway. Oh, that's okay. Uh they have what is called a thermal runaway of their battery. uh pack and they will burn for
hours upon end. And so it does create a situation where we're going to have to sit down set shut down excuse me shut down uh intersections or any of the surrounding areas because the fire itself is not just the hazard. The offging of the batteries as they are
going through the thermal runaway process creates a hazardous environment uh chemically for the surrounding areas. So sometimes that comes with an evacuation of not just the streets but the surrounding neighborhood as well. Uh again I want to state really really
clearly those are few and far between. We've only had a couple of those uh in in the past couple years. Um so we have to prepare for it. Uh but it's not something that we're we're not prepared to prepared for. Our primary goal is always uh life safety. So, in any crash
or any incident like this, um we're there to protect the victims uh of the incident, rescue those victims, get them out of the hazard zone, uh protect our folks, our responders, and any of the other roadway users, and then return the situation back to a state of normaly as
soon as we possibly can. I'm sorry. So, our best practice and standard operating procedures, uh, you'll see quite frequently when you see a a vehicle accident, regardless of the severity of the initial crash, we're
going to many times, uh, out of an abundance of caution, close down an intersection, close down several lanes of traffic. And many times we get questioned about why are we why are we interrupting traffic for something that seems to be such a minor crash? And the
crash itself may not be ex extensive, but we have to put city employees in that intersection or city employees in those lanes of travel. And as uh traffic continues to drive by, we need to make sure that those folks are protected. So, fortunately for us, we bring a really
really big uh traffic abatement tool to the scene with us in the form of a fire engine or a ladder truck. And so that allows us to close down lanes of travel or direct uh traffic around intersections by placing our our our vehicles into strategic positions to
ensure that the patients that we're treating out of that crash are both in a safe position that our folks are in a safe position. The last thing that we want to see is that incident become worse as a secondary part of business. So, um, we always are very, very
cognizant of protecting the backs of our ambulances as we load patients in. The, uh, fire service and the emergency services has a history of vehicle accidents that, uh, are a result of distracted drivers from watching the
initial incident, running into the back of the ambulances as uh, patients are being loaded. And like I said, the the initial incident may have been somewhat minor, but at even at a slow rate of speed, if you drive a a vehicle into the back of an ambulance while we're loading
a patient, that has a potential to be fatal, if not at a minimum, very very serious. So, we strategically place all of our vehicles around uh the incident itself as a barrier kind of as a uh to envelop the scene and make sure that that uh that all of our folks are
protected in that inside that envelope. That's typically a fairly short amount of time. Uh it really is dependent upon the incident. Obviously, the longer and the more extensive incident, the longer we're going to be there, but we on again on your garden variety type of in incident, we want to be in and off that
scene within about a 20 minute um period of time. We work very very closely with our law enforcement partners. We have a fantastic partnership with our police department to make sure that they know what we're going to be needing to be closed and then how they can assist do that and then how they can work to make
sure that they're routing traffic into a different area if we're going to have something that's going to clo be closed down or if there's a congested intersection, congested area that they know that they're going to have to deal with. Again, uh our goal is always to protect everybody for that period of
time. Uh we're always going to employ a significant amount of personal protective equipment. Uh what you saw in previous slides from transportation was the hierarchy of controls of safety where personal protective equipment is at the bottom of that hierarchy. In the fire service, that's a little bit
different because our job is a little bit different than the average uh person. the the average person we're trying to engineer out the the issue and so we put PP at the bottom of that hierarchy. Our our by definition by law our members are assigned to regularly
hazardous duty. So personal protective equipment is a mandatory part of all things that they do. Uh the the uniform that they wear all those things are engineered into into their daily uniform. um all the equipment that they wear uh any piece of footwear, eyewear,
protective headwear, etc., etc., all defined by the National Fire Protection Assoc Association. Uh we follow all the national standards associated with that. Um lastly, what you'll see is a lot of the personal protective engineering that
you're going to see on our uh equipment. So ladder trucks and fire engines. Many of you may remember years ago if you looked at the back of a fire truck, it just looked like a big chrome piece of equipment. Now, if you drive behind any one of the Scottsdale fire uh trucks that you'll see out on the street,
you'll see a reflective chevron pattern that's about a 10 by 10 foot by 10 foot reflective billboard. Um that's mandated by National Fire Protection Association. Uh and it's a best practices and the most modern way to make sure that people are very aware that they're they're
going to be close to an emergency vehicle. Uh, it's got a I can't speak to the specifics of, but it's got a specific rating of reflectibility. Um, you should be able to see it 247. Uh, it has to reflect a certain way off of the lights that we're using, etc., etc. And
then, obviously, we um have a the most aggressive lighting package, I guess, that we could say, that we would put on our our uh fire apparatus to ensure that the public sees that we're there and that they're aware of of where we're moving to. Uh, that's what I have for you. If you have any questions, I'm more
than happy to answer them. >> Thank you, Chief Weller. And again, thank you for your service. Uh we appreciate the risk you take every day. Uh Chair Cadell or Commissioner Cardell. Uh Commissioner Davis, do you have
anything from the phone? >> No, I do not. Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh >> uh for for you specifically on the ebike fires. Um so it sounds like for the two
extremely rare car electric car fires has happened. There's not much you can do except just evacuate and cordon off the area there. For ebike fires, is that pretty much the same? and there's not really any way to put it out till it it goes out.
>> Uh, Mr. Chairman, Mr. Commissioner, the the process by which a lithium ion battery has thermal runaway is the same regardless of the size of the battery pack. It's the size that really determines the length it will burn. So,
a an ebike that might have a battery packed, we'll call it four foot four inches by 4 in as opposed to something that's six feet by six feet. Um, they tend to burn out a whole lot faster. So, while an ebike might start a fire, we're
more concerned about the fact that it's going to extend into the rest of a house or into uh our wildland urban interface, if you will, and start a wildfire, brush fire, those types of things. Um, the chemical hazards the same. It's just the
volume that is the difference. So, when it comes to an ebike, they're going to go out a whole lot quicker. When it comes to a full motor vehicle, they're going to burn longer. The solution that the industry currently has when it relates to um lithium-ion batteries
really is no different. It's a size of of containment. And so if you'll bear with me for a second, if we have a motor vehicle that has a thermal runaway, we will do our very very best to knock down that fire as best as possible. We then would bring in some level of lifting
equipment similar to like a crane. It would then get placed inside of what is essentially a rolloff dumpster, but it's a specifically built rolloff dumpster for an electric vehicle. It would then get covered in sand and water, and that would get shipped off to a storage yard.
we would do a similar process with an ebike only in the case of maybe putting in a bucket full of sand and water. Um but either way the process of stopping thermal runaway is the same process. >> And um for the ebike batteries or other
lithium ion batteries, well specifically for ebikes, um what what do you see as uh the most common causes of of those fires? And uh is there any specific type of ebike that maybe or electric uh
mobility device that you see those fires most common with? Like is it crashes or is it charging or is it something else uh that like when you see those fires? >> So statistically, excuse me, Mr. Chairman, commissioner, stat statistically, I
don't have the exact numbers, but I can tell you intuitively and experience and what we tend to see. Um thermal runaway occurs in a couple different situations. A overheating um and so overcharging in many cases or an accident that would
cause intrusion into the vessel of its storage. Ebikes themselves or or any of them really we're not seeing an incredible amount of incidents related to any thermal or any uh uh lithium ion battery storage. It's just that when we see
them, we tend to see more of the smaller ones. I think that has to do with the volume of the things that are out there. Uh they're just about everything that we're building that has a battery nowadays is is using a lithium ion battery. So, um
we see it in children's toys, the hoverboards, uh ebikes, etc. But again, because the size of the battery, uh, many times by the time that we we're dealing with that, uh, we're dealing with more of a a structure fire or a
wildland fire as a result that that battery has completed its thermal runaway process and in a fairly short amount of time because of its size. >> Thank you. >> Yes, I think I have a question for Mr. Mr. Dome,
um, you know, we have a lot of beautiful landscaping in our railways which is maintained by private trucks and they're all over the road sometimes and in the medians on the side. Is there
anything we can we get control of that? >> Uh, Chair Woxen and Commissioner Marman, that's a good point. I've seen them, too. And they they put out a couple cones and they're they're blocking a lane of traffic. We can look into
um what's occurring there and and um I'm pretty sure they're not getting a traffic control plan and we do have some new ordinances that might allow us to uh site uh some kind of action like that.
>> Thank you. Um, also by I guess by observation when construction is left overnight, um, lighting is sometimes a problem. The, um, the big box store that was
constructed up on North Site and Hayden, those those things were crashed. You can tell they were been crashed into overnight. Um, so I'd like if you can emphasize the importance of the lighting at night
during these sites. I think that would be really good. I Commissioner Morman, I completely agree with lighting for uh any construction that is occurring at night or any construction barriers that are still in place at night. >> Thank you.
>> Uh, thank you both. Actually, I had questions for you both for actually more of a comment because Commissioner Marman mentioned my uh first comment about um contractors. Uh Nathan, I I just appreciate uh your focus on work site
and workforce u protection. Uh that's sometimes uh forgotten about that uh road workers are at a huge disadvantage when they're out there and uh it's a very dangerous job. And then uh similarly, Captain uh
Weller, the thing that always I always question or wonder about is um the exposure of uh firefighters to heat stress. Uh especially during the summer, especially when they're out in the middle of a road trying to respond to a
vehicle fire or just a vehicle incident, they're in full gear. Um it's extremely hot outside. You've got the asphalt as well and then they're doing very stressful work. How does the fire department monitor heat stress among
responding uh firefighters? Mr. Chairman, thank you for the question. So, we have a very aggressive approach to heat stress management. Uh really valleywide, but specifically in Scottsdale, we invest a lot in our folks. Um, so during our summer months,
really anytime, but really it occurs during our summer months, uh, we have daily notifications about our heat stress warnings. So we have what's considered a red flag conditions and that exists anytime that the heat index exceeds 100 will exceed 105 degrees. So
our first start our our first warning is uh forecasting. So if we know that the heat index which is a uh calculation of several different criteria not just ambient air but uh humidity, wind, etc.
many different uh uh criteria. When we know that at any given time that we'll be in that condition during that 24-hour shift, we notify all of our fire fire stations. Uh our folks are notified uh at 8 o'clock in the morning what work
conditions will be for the day. uh there uh we move into what is called a red flag condition status which limits outdoor activity that is unnecessary. It limits uh our daily physical training to indoor physical training. It shortens
the period and uh strenuous level strenuousness of that daily physical training. We move all of our regular training drills either to uh a blackboard platform on a computer similar program like that as opposed to
having folks out in this in the heat. Uh what we can't stop is the emergency and so we have to be there for the emergency. So we need to shift all of our efforts from uh our preparation to emergency response. And so we take all the daily activity that we would
normally do on a day like today where we would have crews out training and drilling uh and we we we shunt that to ensure that they're ready to respond to the emergency and limit the amount of uh potential hazard they're going to be.
Additionally, we have a fairly aggressive hydration and electrolyte replacement program. Uh to put it into context, we are graduating a recruit academy class tomorrow uh tomorrow night. Um
that recruit academy class started in June and electrolyte my electrolyte replacement budget for that academy class for the months of June and July were $15,000 just for
uh uh just to replace their their electrolyte replacement. So we're very very serious about it. We're very very aggressive about it. Uh heat stress is a significant issue for us. Uh we go as far as to uh make sure that they're
monitoring uh intake and discharge of fluids uh and colors, tones, monitoring vital signs, all of those things. Uh we implement a process by which we monitor vital signs
for all what we consider working incidents. So that would be fires, trail rescues, anytime they're really going to be in gear for 20 minutes or longer, uh we're going to make sure that their vital signs are within uh normal limits defined by our department physician. Uh
anytime that they exceed that, we would retest them again after a 20-minut break. If they're not brought within normal limits, then they would be seen by a physician. Um and then we really spend a ton of time working on our work rest cycles. So, what that looks like to
us is anytime somebody's going to be in emergency uh gear, turnout gear, or any anything that's going to be weighted gear for anything longer than 20 minutes, we won't work them past that 20 minute work cycle. Um, we deploy a significant rehabilitation,
uh, mobile rehabilitation truck on working incidents over the summer months, uh, full of shades, fans. Um, we have the ability to bring in another truck from some of our other partners that's essentially a giant RV and we'll take our firefighters out of their gear,
put them inside that for their work rest cycle. That temperature is dropped down to below 70° in that vehicle. We bring their core temperature back up before we'll redeploy them back out uh as a as a part of their work cycle. And then again, we'll remmonitor them for any of
those any heat any signs of heat stress. >> Thank you. Are there uh and I don't mean to take too long in this, but are there active biometrics being recorded on the uh firefighters like watches or anything like that that would give you some idea
of pulse and respiration? >> Mr. Chairman, I I would tell you as a matter of bulk data, yes. Uh we're somewhat limited on what we can uh monitor uh uh specific medical information on our employees. uh our
employees pass annual medical physicals a very robust annual f medical physical that is maintained or that is mandated by national fire protection association it's standard 1582 uh which uh goes in every it's it's very
aggressive it's any measuring anything from cardiac health uh to uh spometry uh eyesight hearing It's an extensive extensive physical that I I just went through mine. It's about a three and a half hour
process um that they must go through every year. Uh and then if there's anything that we notice in that, they're sent to a number of different specialists to ensure that we can we can deploy them in in in an emergency situation. If at that point they're not
capable of being able to report for emergency duty, they're placed on light duty until they're brought back into uh an area within normal limits. um if they're not ever able to get to that place, then we have to have a maybe more serious discussion about where
they're headed career-wise. Uh but but we take the health and safety of our members incredibly seriously. We spend uh a ton of resources on doing that. Uh that said, uh our job is, as the law states, regularly assigned to hazardous duty, and so it doesn't come without
hazard. We uh would love to see a time where we're not going to send our folks to the hospital. It's probably unrealistic working in central Arizona in the middle of the desert heat. So, we'll do everything that we can to it, but but it doesn't come without a challenge. >> Thank you, sir. >> Thank you.
>> Uh thank you for your time. Thank you for your service. Um >> um Chair will coxin, we actually have two more slides. One's on the TMC and the other on special event safety. So, I'll let I'll let everybody decide who wants to speak to those.
You can draw straws. John, you go ahead since they may have questions related to your technology. Thank you, Susan. So, I guess yeah, this one kind of snuck into the presentation right here. So,
um, for emergency responses, traffic management staff is kind of like behind the scene. We kind of know everything's going on. So, uh, we we monitor remotely that not a lot of people know, but we we have
eyes and ears on what's going on within the city um, from 6:00 to 6 or even after hours, too. So um as far as if there's a incident that
have happened to be two lanes happen to close right if we have three lanes and they close they restricted two lanes. Um obviously traffic is kind of back up and sometimes if we don't do anything it could be half a mile even longer. So
that's when TMT staff jump in and actually move traffic. We extend the green time to make sure that uh we minimize delay is one of them and also not to um minimize the secondary crashes.
Oh, and the last bullet um I'm not sure if a lot of people know we do have the emergency um u we call it a preemp preeemption system. the emergency preeemption system
which um this kind of technology that we have in the city is when the fire truck is within range roughly about 3 to 500 ft in advance of the intersection the green light is going to turn on for them to actually go
through the intersection instead of being stopped. So that would um minimize the uh response time and also to reduce the crashes, you know, if
people's kind of run through it. And this is the last slide with special safety um department with homeland security and fire department. Um the things that we do um during special events we set up barriers
as I I think everyone but everyone's aware that if you have a crowded area if we have no protection no barrier vehicles random vehicles tend to kind of run into the the you know the crowded
places. So the way we set up is we use um different options um temporary concrete barrier, water field barrier or in the waste management. We also use the solid waste
uh vehicle actually to block as a barrier for any um errand vehicle or intentional vehicle that trying to get through get into the crowded area. Uh also um permanent ballers is one of the
um methods that we use too. >> That's all I have. Thank you. >> Thank you, John. Uh any questions from any of the commissioners? >> Go ahead, Commissioner. Uh so this is actually back when uh you
you were talking um for the I guess slide 10 on the pedestrian bicycle and transit safety issue. Um there is because I've uh I remember when work was being done on the green belt
just uh just north of uh Indian school I believe and so the path was being repaired and widened and all that. And so it was shut down and the the it wasn't really clear and so I ended up having to ride quite quite a while in
the middle of the road with no bike lane or anything like that on Hayden. And so um and now I see and this isn't totally but there's uh work being done just south of the El Dorado Park where you know the fence barriers are up and
there's actually like a temporary walkway that's been built there. Is that um is that is that new policy or is that that that's been done before just for that that one section it just wasn't employed for whatever reason.
>> That was a determination made for that area. Um there's not a particular policy directing us to to do that. And I think I hope this safety plan would encourage us to develop some kind of guidelines
for how we mitigate uh closures for bikes and pedestrian access and looking for those detours, clear signage, and showing just a little extra emphasis on us to to find the appropriate ways we can mitigate that.
stoppage of use during those construction hours. >> Thank you. Um the on the El Dorado temporary path also I guess the way it was laid down the uh have you been on it at all or do do people do the city staff ever ride on that temporary path or walk
on that path? Do you know? >> Greg is been there quite a while. Uh just I I just noticed when I ride on it, it's uh the grass is pushing through the uh the asphalt or whatever it is. And so it gets pretty bumpy at at
points. And so yeah, I didn't know if anybody's just out there to just look at it. And I don't know if maintaining it is a possibility or how long because there's no there's no information saying, "Hey, this this detour is going to be here for the next six months or
three weeks or something." and it's just you just kind of are forced onto it and you don't know what's what's being done and you don't know how long it's going to be there. So, I would ask that when there is uh work done if there's if there could be some sort offormational
thing just so that people know. I mean, I'm sure it's on the I I know where to find it on the website. Uh but um my neighbor doesn't even know that there my my neighbor when I was talking to him didn't even know that there was you could go to the city website to look things up. So those are excellent
points, Commissioner Kofile. We'll make sure >> we incorporate the safety plan and and we'll make sure to monitor that temporary path and and that it doesn't degrade by the time we finish the the paths, the more permanent paths, not more permanent, the actual permanent paths. >> Yeah.
>> Thank you. >> Thanks. >> Any other questions, >> Commissioner Davis? Not for me. Thank you. >> Okay. All right. Thank you, Nathan. And um now moving on to item number six. Welcome, Nathan.
>> I'll stay right here. Uh thank you, Chair Woxin, and members of the transportation commission. Um we are going to roll out the recommended transportation project list for fiscal year 2627.
We've been working um quite a while on this to uh look at the new transportation and infrastructure uh capital requests. So um we're tr we're going to do a possible discussion I possible action
and discussion to uh summarize the new uh transportation infrastructure capital requests submitted through the pre-budget process. We have a new process this year where we are submitting and reviewing all of these to the city manager's office that he they
want to evaluate all capital projects both new and existing. And so tonight we'll we'll talk about the new project requests. But that will be ranked and then go through the regular uh budget process coming up in the next um couple
months all the way up until April and May when the final budget starts getting adopted and reviewed by council. Um all projects submit new projects annually every um for the five-year budget. Right now uh we have done the
pre-screening but now it is open for us to actually submit those into the budget. Um go starting from November going to December is the department's uh listed uh submittal process. So then after that it goes through internal CIP
committee reviews for alignment with city priorities, funding constraints and capacities deliverability and phasing. So for us with funding constraints we have our dedicated funding sources. So when we're having these conversations with internal CIP committees, it's more
of a reflection on the transportation and and priorities with transportation. We don't necessarily compete with for general funds as some of the other departments would. We do from time to time, but for the most part, we stick with our dedicated funding sources. And
so, as you'll see as I go through the new transportation and infrastructure requests, they will mostly be reflected into our dedicated funding sources. as well as regional and federal um uh funding sources as well.
Um so the project types the new projects for the CIP include traffic signal IT state of good repair and modernization uh projects roadway reconstruction and corridor design uh projects intersection safety and roundabout design uh shared
use path design and multimmoal connectivity uh citywide bus stop rehabilitation and then bus or trolley vehicle purchasing project. Those are the uh general themes of our projects as we come forward. So pretty comprehensive
and and uh well distributed types of projects on what we generally work on and what we work with in the transportation department. So starting with our yearly accounts, these are our reoccurring capital
accounts for um quick fixes um small um modifications are things that make us allow us to move rapidly to make changes or make improvements through the community. the other ones are those much bigger projects. But so every year we ask for another year to continue this
funding. Um so far the the remaining Y accounts that we have and it was a larger list a couple years ago and now we've slimmed it down to uh pretty much the the bones of what we need which is the pavement preservation overlay by far
the largest um of our Y accounts. Then we have our uh roadway capacity and safety improvements, bikeways program, street light replacements, trail improvement program, and then capital construction uh signal traffic signal
constructions. Um they range from the pavement overlay to being in the um it was in the 20 millions, now it's about 30 or 40 million. Uh roadway capacity is just shy of a million.
bikeways and trails is hovering around the 200,000 to $300,000 range. Street lights around 300,000 and traffic signals once again shy of a million is how those budgets are laid out and every year we ask for that funding. So
starting with that, those are part of the request coming in. And then I'm going to go into each of the individual projects that are looking for either additional funding or new projects. This is one of our existing projects. It's a bond project from 2019. Uh looking for
2% sales tax. The Thompson Peak Bridge over the Riata Wash, you can see on the overhead that the the existing bridge to the south was built in 2000 that's there. And as the road lays out, it's uh
begging for an another bridge just to the north. that this project is to add that ex that new bridge to the north and then uh realign the roadway to connect to that bridge. Right now we have about 6.3 million in the bond for this. We're
going to need an additional 7.4 million to complete this construction at 13.7 million. So that would be one of the requests to make sure we can complete this bridge. Um Thomas Thomas Road uh 56th Street to 73rd. This is a repavement
rehabilitation project. Um a full depth reconstruction in most parts for Thomas Road. We did get a federal grant for this um at a 7030 split. So 70% of the funding is going to be from the federal
government with an STG STBGP grant. Um the rest of it, the 30% is what being requested, the 7.4 million to improve that roadway. That includes signal upgrades as well as ADA upgrades.
So starting that in the next fiscal year. Traffic signal rewiring citywide looking to get about 11 million stretched over five years to replace um aging wiring infrastructure at our traffic signals.
It will improve reliability, reduce failures of our signals and support safety. So a pretty overhauling replacement of some of our important capital assets in the city. uh for design and construction and this an end of the year replacement. Then major
traffic signal equipment upgrade. This would be the boxes just as you can see in the image here. Um just $300,000 to do some end ofear replacements on those those important uh cabinets, controllers, and signal indicators for
several of our our traffic signals across the city. Double Tree Corridor traffic signal upgrades. Uh $600,000 to once again improve end of the year replacements uh on the traffic signals throughout the
the Double Tree corridor. They are uh unique poles for the city of Scottsdale as you can see in the image and looking to upgrade those signal poles and equipment along that intersection. I not the intersection that corridor North Side Boulevard and Betheus Drive
looking to construct this as a signalized intersection. So um improving operations and safety along this this intersection. It was um identified as needing uh signalization. So looking to incorporate this as a new project in the
CIP uh trolley vehicle purchase. Some of our buses purchased in 2013 and 2014 uh need to be replaced starting with five but looking to replace all 13 in the next
five years. Um we have to increase the budget. This is a federally funded project so not all locally funded but about a 8020 split to um purchase these buses. We're now due to inflation
getting buses at about $800,000 a bus and uh that is a costly endeavor, but we are slated to get five buses by next fall and then continue that on moving forward.
Uh transit stop revitalization and improvement citywide. You can see on this screen a bus stop from 2005. It's outdated. The paint's rusting. It's getting a little rusty. So, looking to make end of lifeless replacements for uh
a good portion of these 2005 bus stops. This is fully funded by the regional sales tax. So, no local funding in this, just putting it in the capital budget and looking to get reimbursed for those 37 transit stops um as we systematically
uh replace them with our more modern fixtures. Dynamite Boulevard 56 to to uh Puma Road. This is us starting the Prop 479 ALCP projects. Prop 479 passed in the
fall of 2024. Uh allocating regional sales tax to these arterial uh life cycle projects uh the arterials of regional significance. We have several of them. Phase one is three projects that I'm coming up with now. Um so
dynamite would be the first one for design only. So looking to to incorporate a early level design and new cost estimates so we can get a good grasp on this project. Uh right now we have about $60 million in the
transportation in the tip the regional um transportation improvement program slated for this project. We want to make sure that we get a good cost estimate before we start really diving into it. So this is just putting enough money
towards a design and then um moving forward. The project cost that you see there is for the full design. We don't intend to spend all of that for the pre-esign and the cost estimate, but putting it in the budget so that we can move forward with full design as we move
forward. This will widen uh dynamite to four lanes with a median sidewalks and bike lanes. um our our general practice with these ALCB projects up north for the widenings. Pinnacle Peak Road, Scottsdale Road to Puma, another one of the ALCP from Prop
479. Um regional sales tax with a 0.1% uh sales tax. Uh we have a dedicated funding source. We have our 2 for our general transportation fund and then we have the 0.1 that was passed in 2019 for the local match of these arterial
widenings. So, Pinnacle Peak, very similar to Dynamite, widening to four lanes, median, uh, curb, gutter, and sidewalks and bike lanes. Um, looking for the same thing, a design cost estimate, moving forward with our agreements with MAG and moving forward
to complete this construction in the timely manner of the next five years. Then, Legacy Boulevard bridge over the Rata Wash. I started with the bridge at Thompson Peak. This is its twin in essence at the south section of Riata
just on the south side of DC Ranch. Um building that southern bridge to uh mimic and and um be the twin to the the northern bridge, the westbound bridge, the eastbound bridge. This is in the ALCP to
to build that second bridge. So looking to start that design, get a new cost estimate and and really evaluate how it's going to proceed moving forward in the next coming years. Walpai Drive shared use path from Puma Road to 80 to
95th place for design only to evaluate a multi-use path on the south side. We heard from residents in this neighborhood that there's no sidewalks or or um any kind of pedestrian connections. Um, we have planned a
multiase path going on the south side of Walpai. They were very enthusiastically excited about that. We're going to look to evaluate uh that cost and that design and then move forward into hopefully a good cost estimate and a a construction
in the next coming CIP. 90 91st Street and Trailside View Roundabout requested from DC Ranch as well as as um an evaluation by our traffic engineering team that this
intersection could use some modifications on on the uh the safety as well as the efficiency. It's a non-salized intersection. So evaluated that a roundabout was the preferred alternative to this and evaluating
design only what the construction cost would be to put a roundabout into that intersection. Prioritization framework staff applied uh the criteria uh consistent with the 2022 transportation action plan. These
are the metrics that we use to evaluate when we're prioritizing that list that we just went over. So um asset condition or state of good repair. One of the primary focuses of the transportation action plan is maintaining what we already have and making sure that our assets are in good working order and
that we are we are keeping a good state of good repair. The next is safety or risk reduction. So one of the key focuses we have in any project that we want to try and prioritize higher move forward is improving the safety of the network system operations and
reliability. any kind of things that would improve the performance or the um congestion relief as well as our our transit uh um system making sure that those those operations are functioning as as
operation as as best as we can. Uh another key thing as you saw in the slides is external leverage external funding and leveraging of those federal state uh funds and regional funds to make sure that we are using
our local funding as much as we possibly can by by allocating our federal funds into our projects. And then multimmodal and equity benefits. So ADA accessibility, walking, biking, transit is another focus point in the tab.
going forward with that that um criteria as well as the projects forward. The staff is recommending that we have these several tiers moving forward and as we move forward we'll rank them within these tiers. But tier one emphasizing the funding leverage and the uh the
major roadways. So the three projects from the ALCP, the Dynamite, Pinnacle Peak, and Legacy being high on a prioritization to get funding. um Thompson Thomas Road federally funded in the full depth reconstruction of the roadway and then Thompson Peak Bridge
over the Riata Wash the bond project that needs additional funding support. So the three ALCP projects would be from a different funding source the.1% the other two would be from the 2% and then the rest of the projects would also
be from the 0 2%. So then tier two being safety and operation priorities. So looking at the signal projects uh signals and transit, so the the traffic rewiring, the double the double tree corridor, the major traffic signal
upgrade, uh equipment upgrade, the transit stop, the vehicle purchase, and then the yearly programs being those two tiers of how we would lay out our prioritization. Once we have the list laid out, then we get from finance what
the the bottom line of our funding cap is and see where the line is drawn and what can get funded and what can't. And then the last three are the phase three for um future consideration or design laying them out at the bottom to say if
additional funding is available. Uh North Sight and Bether uh 91st Street and Walupi So emphasizing that this is in line with our general plan as well as our transportation action plan. Um supports by city policies of complete streets ADA
compliance and fiscal stewardship. Um the funding is through the.1% sales tax and the 2% sales tax as well as regional funding and grants. And then the recommendation is for tier one and tier two to be prioritized for funding and tier three may be phased or deferred
within the five-year window based on council's direction or funding availability. So questions and discussion >> Mr. Cadella. >> Thank you. I have a question about the Thomas Road project. So, I may be misremembering, but I think that was
fully designed and ready to go, but then the decision was made to not move forward on that. And then if that's the case, is the same design that was in place, it's just moving forward with that, or is there redesign that's going to occur? >> It's the same design in place. There's a
little bit of the final design that needs to take place. It will keep the lanes as is, but the the pavement reconstruction is the same design. The signals, the ADA improvements is the same design. So, the only thing changing
is we're keeping the lane configuration as it was, as it currently still is. And that would be the the minor change that we need to address in the in the project. And then we also come have now that it's a federal project, we have to go with federal compliances on that
project. And I remember there was going to be burying of some electric lines and then there was some difficulties with rightway and so is all that still remain in it and is there still challenges with that or those aren't >> we've acquired the rightway from the original project. We have acquired that
rightway. So we don't have white rightway challenges per se anymore. And the the undergrounding or the remov the the relocation of the the electrical lines that's still in conversations we
are having with SRP about whether we're undergrounding it. I think we're still intending to underground it at the 68 and Thomas intersection, but then there's there's poles further down that are obstructions to the sidewalks and talking to them about relocating that. not they won't underground it but
relocating them further within the ride ofway so that they are not obstructing the sidewalks anymore. So still in conversations with SRP to um incorporate that into the project. >> Okay, great. Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Uh Commissioner Kofile >> thank you for the presentation. Um, I had the same uh my question about the Thomas Road was answered. It's a little disappointing there's not going to be a lane configuration, but just get that on the record. Um, for the trolley vehicle
purchase uh when I first came here, there was uh there was some discussion of what type of fuel the trolleys were going to use. has that uh because I know the natural gas presented a problem with uh it took a long time to fuel them and so there
was and there was only one thing we could you know and so that was causing delays and stuff like that. So there was talk about either going to diesel or or petrol or whatever. Um what what kind of fuel are the are the trolley vehicles going to be used?
>> The new buses I believe there's CNG, but I'm I'm not sure. I'd have to get back to you on >> Okay. >> exactly what that fuel type is. Okay. Um, for your slides 14, 15, and 16, uh, this is just a typo thing when you, so when
you, uh, go back a couple of slides there, there's for the Dynamite Boulevard, Pinnacle Peak, and Legacy. Um, there where you state where the funding is, it's regional sales tax, transportation, 0% sales tax. So, I think you just need to add that one in
there. >> That one that needs to have in place. Yeah. So, uh that I think that was that was it is I just noticed that and I was like >> we we'll make that adjustment and incorporate the in the uh in the packet so that it's reflected correctly.
>> We want to make sure that you're reading the slides so you found our test and you passed. >> I made sure to get the point two out of there and uh forgot to add the one. >> Okay. Thank Thank you.
>> Thank you, Commissioner Cofel. Um, uh, Commissioner Davis. >> Uh, yes. Um, for the tier one projects, um, I I guess I didn't see it listed, but would the trolley vehicle program because we're getting federal funding
for part of that be tier one project? >> I put it in uh, tier two for state of good repair. Um, I >> Okay. I would believe that a good portion of tier 2 should have funding, particularly the ones that have federal funding associated with it. But I guess
that's that you're right. I could have put it in tier one, but I put in tier two because those were two state of good repair projects. >> Okay. Um, and then I think you had mentioned that 19 projects in advance to this next round. Do you know how many we
were you submitted as I guess on the prior culling? You know, >> um I don't remember the number off hand, but there was more than the 19 and there is no there's no assurances that these 19 will be funded. These are the ones
moving forward in the prioritization and then there will be a cut off line and and some of these will not be funded. >> Sure. Yeah. I guess my overall comment. I I can't I can't argue with your with your ranking methodology. Um it's unfortunate that some of the projects
that are in tier three are are fairly low in dollar value. um and you know could could be I think some of them right were in the the low 100 thousands um and so obviously wherever we draw the water line right they'll
they won't be able to make the cut um because we are justifying projects that are in the in the millions of dollars but um I will uh oh because this is this is the right right ranking so hopefully Um
hopefully there's a a good amount of budget available >> and there Thank you, Commissioner Davis. And there's certainly no reason to not continue moving forward with these projects if they don't get funded this
year. Keep them on the list and and try and rank them higher in the next year as they um get reevaluated for the second year. >> Very good. Thank you. Uh thank you. Any other questions? I
just had a question um really on optics. Uh I'm also disappointed for the record about Thomas Road. Uh but uh I guess this slide and the one before that you have tier one which is what again external funding corridor priorities
and then you have tier two which is safety. >> Um kind of looks like we're putting expansion over safety. Um, and I know sometimes that's necessary, but if you look at the
priorities of the city of Scottsdale, it looks like safety is at least number two. Um, might be better to figure out a way to not make it look so obvious. Um, going forward, I understand that probably
we're going to be voting to approve tier one and two tier two, >> which will include those. It just looks like despite what we say on our safety plan and despite what we say in public outings, safety is not number one. So
just throwing that out there as a problem with optics. Oh, it's a it's a uh chair wox is a fair point and on this slide I probably could have done a better job showing that those top
three projects are not impacting the line for the other projects, right? Because the top three are that 0.1% sales tax. They're in a different bucket. And then then really the 02 bucket starts at Thomas and Thompson Peak and goes further into tier two. So
the expectation is a good portion of tier 2 should be funded. Um it's it's just those are two different buckets, but I agree with the optics and we can look to improve that. >> Right. And you know, the other the other
aspect of that is even the tier one projects, even though they're not specifically safety projects, they're going to be making the roads that they're affecting safer. >> Yeah. >> So, it might be better to point that out in the tier one so that people know that
you're not building unsafe roads, you're building roads that are safer than what we have, even though that's not the priority. I mean, that's not the main reason for doing the project. No, thank you. Yes, we'll make sure to emphasize that because you're right.
>> Um and then you um are looking for action by us, >> possible action if yes, uh if you if the if the commission wants to take action on this um I would be very amendable to
that. So yes, um if if there if the commission wants to take action, then um I guess we've laid up what we recommend the commission action if there's any amendments or changes. But yeah, action would be great. >> Does uh anyone want to make a motion
that is the wording? Was there some suggested >> Was there some suggested wording up there? >> Um, transification approves support of tier one and tier two as the highest priority for funding in the upcoming uh
5-year CIP and then support and then second support tier three um for advancing as funding allows. So approving all projects on the list but just saying tier one and tier three as the highest priority and then tier three as uh funding is allowed. Well, I would
move the staff recommendation as shown on that slide. >> Do we have a second? >> Second with the uh with I guess if with the second does that include uh the
points that uh chair will coxin made there. Yes, we can we can incorporate safety as a component as we move forward to show as will as chair Wil Coxin pointed out those projects do come with safety improvements and emphasize safety
and the prioritization >> then I second. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Uh do we need a roll call? I assume. >> Thank you, Chair Will Coxson. >> Approved. >> Thank you, Vice Chair Cardella.
>> Yes. Thank you, Commissioner Marman. >> Approve. >> Thank you. Commissioner Kofile, >> approved. >> Thank you, Commissioner Davis. >> Yes. >> Thank you. And Commissioner Baker, >> approved.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you, everybody. >> Thank you, Nathan. And with that, uh, that brings the, uh, agenda to a close. So, I'm, um, we take a motion on on adjournment.
>> I think we usually do motion, second and then just all in favor >> group uh vote. >> Okay. So, um do we have a motion to adjourn the meeting? >> I motion to adjourn the meeting. >> Second. >> All those in favor of adjourning the meeting? >> I I
>> All right. Thank you very much. This I I will say that this is our last meeting of the year. >> Um so our next meeting I believe is January 15th. Uh so um hope everyone has a wonderful
Thanksgiving um and um everyone has a merry Christmas or uh happy Hanukkah uh and a happy new year and I believe also uh a thoughtful Martin Luther King Day. So uh we'll see
you all in January. Happy New Year. >> Thank you so much.