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MEETING SECTIONS:

Part 1 (Video ID: Zn4wmwfW1fc):
- 00:00:12: Meeting Introduction: Procedures, Roll Call, and Administrative Report
- 00:02:17: Administrative Report and Approval of Previous Minutes
- 00:03:59: Discussion and Public Comment on Continuance Agenda
- 00:04:58: Public Comment on Fire Mitigation in NAOS Areas
- 00:07:26: Commission Discussion and Motion on Continuance
- 00:12:50: Roll Call Vote on Continuance and Consent Agenda Introduction
- 00:13:50: Consent Agenda: Abandonment Request Presentation and Discussion
- 00:17:07: Roll Call Vote on Consent Agenda and Regular Agenda Introduction
- 00:17:41: Regular Agenda: St. Mark Church Presentation and Site Overview
- 00:21:44: Applicant Presentation: Church History and Project Goals
- 00:26:51: Architect Presentation: Design, Community Integration, & Modifications
- 00:32:15: Commission Questions: Building Height, Occupancy, and Community Aspects
- 00:41:43: Commission Discussion: Neighbor Impact and Setback Modification
- 00:49:23: Motion for Church Approval with Increased South Setback


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The city appreciates your interest and participation in the public hearing process. The Planning Commission serves as an advisory board to the City Council on land use and zoning matters. The hearing agenda items consist of development applications that require public hearings. The Planning Commission

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considers the item and makes a recommendation for approval or denial to the City Council. The City Council will make the final decision for or against approval of the application. The agenda consists of the roll call, administrative report, public comment, approval of minutes from the previous

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hearing, continuances, withdrawals, consent agenda items, regular agenda items, and non-action items. Citizens [clears throat] Citizens wishing to speak on any agenda item will need to fill out a blue speaker card or if not willing to speak, may fill out a

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yellow comment card. And turn it in at the staff table before the agenda item is to be discussed. The chair will call your name when it's your turn to speak. When called, please come to the podium, state your name and address, and then begin speaking. Groups wishing to speak

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should elect a spokesperson to represent the views of the group. To facilitate the meeting, your comment will be limited to 3 minutes for individual speakers and one additional minute for each additional individual who is present at the hearing and has contributed their time to a

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representative speaker up to a maximum of 10 minutes. Please format your speech to fit within the allotted time. A light system is installed at the podium for timing presentations. The light will be green for 2 minutes, yellow for 1 minute, and red when your

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time is up. Please conclude your comments when the red light appears. Thank you for your interest and time. Now, we will begin the hearing with a roll call. Chair Young. Here. Vice Chair Scarborough. Here. Commissioner Gonzales. Present. Commissioner Urtel.

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>> Here. Commissioner Joiner. Here. Commissioner Drake. >> Here. Commissioner Reed. >> Here. All here, thank you. Okay. Uh Uh Mr. Curtis, is there any public comment that we need to Uh Mr. Chairman, regarding non-agendaized items, there are no

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public comment cards. Okay. Thank you. Uh then we'll move on to the administrative report. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just wanted to draw your attention uh regarding item number two, uh the continuance item. We do have a uh additional correspondence that we

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received I think this morning um that's should be in front of you. And we also have a request to speak card for the continuance item. And uh I think that's in front of you. The request to speak for continuance items is limited for the

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bylaws to the continuance in of itself. And then um just a reminder for May, uh May 13th and uh May 27th, both those uh regularly scheduled Planning Commission meetings,

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we do have agenda uh items planned for both of those. So, keep that in mind with your scheduling. That's all I have for tonight. So, appreciate it. Thank you. >> Okay, thank you. Uh we'll move on to the uh approval of the April 8th, 2026 uh

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regular meeting minutes unless there's any comments or requested changes. So moved. Okay, we have a motion. Can I have a second? Second. Have a second. Roll call. Chair Young. Yes. Vice Chair Scarborough. Yes. Commissioner Gonzales.

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Yes. Commissioner Urtel. Yes. Commissioner Joiner. Yes. Commissioner Drake. Yes. Commissioner Reed. Yes. Motion passes, thank you. Okay. Um so, we do have one uh case for the on the continuances agenda, one on consent agenda, and one on

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regular agenda. So, I guess we'll start with the uh continuance agenda for now. Yeah, Mr. Chairman, um um as indicated in the information provided uh to you, um this item um is requesting for a continuance that was originally

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scheduled for an action item tonight um and then with additional information received from the commission 2 weeks ago as well as from other members of the public, um we're requesting that this item be continued to a date to be determined. Um with that, I know that there's one speaker that wanted to speak

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uh regarding the uh continuance item. Okay. Um well, why don't we invite that speaker up? And uh as Mr. Curtis said, uh uh over here, please. Your comments will need to be limited to the continuance itself.

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Hi. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. My name is Carla. I'm a Preserve Pioneer and resident of Peaceful Valley. Um at your previous meeting, you raised concerns um that I'm sure staff will work to address during this environmentally

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sensitive lands text amendment continuance. I can empathize with some of those concerns because we feel them in the Preserve, also. But that doesn't mean that we don't face the reality of fire dangers and the need to do something

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with this amendment during especially during the drought. In the Preserve, fire fuel mitigation is a top budget priority. Invasive weed control, appropriate thinning, and a new widened trail to serve as a firebreak

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between us and the Tonto National Forest are ongoing. All done following the Preserve ordinance and at the direction of the Preservation Department. But NAOS is the land necklace that surrounds our Preserve. And if we don't get real about

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doing something that will do fire mitigation there, also, which is what's proposed in this item, then some of your homes and the billion-dollar taxpayer-funded Preserve will be at increasing risk.

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In 1995, I was up by the north end of the McDowells when the big Rio fire blew up. 23,000 acres were burned. I don't ever want to see anything like that again, and trust me, neither do you. Um

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So, I would ask that during this continuance, you all think seriously and work constructively with staff to find a way to address these issues. Because fire doesn't recognize whose land is grandfathered in.

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It doesn't recognize any of our concerns. Fire recognizes fuel, period. And once fire starts, it's merciless. And afterwards, when you're viewing the devastation, wishing you had done something,

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well, then it's too late. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Uh well, the city is the applicant, so they've requested a continuance. Um is there any comment about the continuance or anybody like to make a motion? >> I'll make the motion to make a motion.

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I'd like to discuss. Okay. Is that okay? Or you want to do the motion first and then uh Well, we we somebody has to do the motion and then we can give you a chance to discuss. All right. Um I'm sorry. There was about two of you

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that spoke at once. It's fine. Whatever you Com- Commissioner Gonzales, would you would you like to make a motion? Well, I was going to make a motion for the continuance, but if uh if uh if you'd like to make a comment on that, >> Okay. Do then if Go ahead. Sure. Allow

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Commissioner Urtel. Okay, go ahead, Mr. Commissioner Urtel. >> [clears throat] >> I'll certainly go on the record and say I'm not in favor of fire. Um no one wants a big fire. Um but I look at this the same way I look at other proposals

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um in terms of amenities, aesthetics, and economics. And in terms of amenities, um I looked it up. GRAC told me that there have not been any houses lost

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to wildfires. Uh there was a big fire in 2023. A shed got burnt, but no houses got lost. The fire before that, no houses were lost. Um what we were told 2 weeks ago

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was that what's a main culprit, the main culprit in starting these fires, is construction activities. Um okay, then construction activities should be addressed. But this change is

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directed at existing residences. Um that's not where the fire started. There was no mention of of somebody like myself smoking a cigar in the backyard and somehow it causing a fire or or a

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grill going crazy and causing a fire. It was only It was only the um construction activity. So, this really doesn't address that issue. In terms of aesthetics, um it's called NAOS for a reason. Now, it's

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going to be LAOS, landscaped area open uh space. Um I can't say that it's going to ruin NAOS around the houses, but it's going to seriously degrade the appearance around the houses. You know, we we have an NAOS

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for a reason. We don't need to be landscaping that especially if that's not a really a problem. Economics An HOA president sent in the estimate that she got from her management company as to how much this

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would cost. It's substantial. And it's not a one-time situation. This is going to be the equivalent of an ongoing tax. Not called a tax, but you're going to be required to pay it. That affects not just your pocketbook,

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but it also affects the value of your home cuz it increased the cost of home ownership. So this is not a not just a not a good idea, it's a bad idea. I looked up what it means to

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the to reject a continuance. You know, are there grounds for that? And what I see is that the applicant has not provided sufficient updates or documentation to justify the delay. All we've got is let's

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get a delay. No justification for it. We had set a firm decision date. That's another reason for rejecting. And there's no reason to extend it. If we thought that you could tweak this and make it a good proposal you know, okay,

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maybe. But this isn't a matter of tweaking. This is not a matter of changing NAOS of hitting homeowners with a quasi tax and messing with appearances, messing with

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you know, the natural area open space. So I guess Commissioner Gonzales is going to make a motion. But there are reasons to reject that motion. Thank you, Commissioner Artell.

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Commissioner Gonzales, I think you had spoken up about wanting to make a motion. Yes, I would, but I'd like to make a comment also. May I make a comment first? My comment is is well, actually I wanted to ask Mr. Mr. Murillo.

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Is there a way is there a way of carving out some of the areas in this proposal or is it something that's a take all one all type of thing? I mean, can you let's say >> Commissioner Gonzales, I think we have to only speak to the nature of the

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continuance right now >> Okay. because of the request for the continuance. So I apologize for cutting you off. >> No, no, absolutely. You're you're correct in that. I'd like to make a motion to continue case 11 TA 2000 number four to a date to be determined.

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by the applicant. Second. [clears throat] Okay, we have a motion a second. Can we get a roll call vote, please? Chair Young Um No. Vice Chair Scarboro Yes. Commissioner Gonzales Yes. Commissioner

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Artell No. Commissioner Joiner Yes. Commissioner Drake Yes. Commissioner Reed No. Motion passes. Thank you. All right, thank you. Let's move on to consent agenda now and

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I think is there anybody that has any comments? Commissioner Gonzales, I think you had mentioned that you were Yes, I like to comment on the the number the item number. Okay. I mean, do you want to move this to regular agenda or

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you just have a question for staff? >> to move it. I I have a question for staff, but do I need to move it from consent? >> Mr. Curtis, does do we need to move it if Commissioner Gonzales just has a question? No, Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Gonzales, you can simply ask staff a question

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and and keep it on consent. That'd be fine. If you don't mind. I'd like to ask Mr. Zimmer to just do a few items. Can you is it possible that you could put that up on to the

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screen or something? Chair Young and Commissioner Gonzales, you wanted my presentation, correct? Please. Sure. Again, this is I'm Chris Zimmer with the city of Scottsdale Planning Department here to present to you 12 AB 2022 the Israel abandonment.

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Just to give you some site context. This is up at the north side of Cactus and 124th Street over in Anchae. The abandonment area requested doesn't include a portion of the subject property, which is a roadway easement. It's about a 25 foot roadway easement on

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the southern half. And then the northern half is the the remnant 40 40 foot right-of-way that is being requested to be abandoned with this application. Zoning is remaining the same. It's R1-43 ESL. It's a single-family residential

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environmentally sensitive lands hillside district. Zoning does not change with this request. So the request in front of you is a recommendation of approval for a request by owner to abandon the 40 foot right-of-way of East Cactus Road

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alignment adjacent to the parcel and 25 foot roadway easement within the parcel on a single-family residential property. That concludes staff's presentation. Happy to answer any questions. On that easement that they're asking for

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uh the abandonment is there any services on that within that easement? Chair Young and Commissioner Gonzales, there is no current utilities running through there or

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need to access that as of right now. The applicant is moving forward with improving Cactus Road to access his property and provide utilities. But just to serve the property. Would would the abandonment by the city make it more difficult to have that

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access for by for city use? Commissioner Gonzales, actually this would improve our access on the site. Currently there is no cul-de-sac that exists, but as a part of this application the applicant is moving forward with constructing that cul-de-sac in lieu

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of the abandonment. Very good. Thank you, sir. Of course. Are there any other questions, comments? All right, I'll entertain a motion. Chair Young, I'd like to make a motion for recommendation of approval to City Council for case 12 AB

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2022 after finding that the proposed abandonment is consistent and conforms with the adopted general plan per the attached stipulations. Second. Roll call vote, please. Chair Young Yes. Vice Chair Scarboro Yes. Commissioner Gonzales Yes.

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Commissioner Artell Yes. Commissioner Joiner Yes. Commissioner Drake Yes. Commissioner Reed Yes. >> Motion passes. Thank you. Thank you. Let's move on to the regular agenda. We just have one case case 11 UP 2025 St. Mark Coptic Orthodox

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Church multi-purpose building. And Mr. Zimmer will give us a presentation. Chair Young, yes, I am here. Again, Chris Zimmer with the city of Scottsdale Planning Department here to present to you guys 11 UP 2025 the St. Mark's Coptic Orthodox Church multi-purpose

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building. To give yourself a little reference of where the site is. It's currently in the south side of Scottsdale right now near the intersection of McKellips and 74th. You see Bridle Wreath Street. That's actually Tempe's Street that turns into

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74th as it goes north into Scottsdale. Here's a detailed aerial. Again, it's at the corner of or intersection of Papago East Papago Drive and 74th Street. The site is zoned R1-7 single-family residential.

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The action requested in front of you is a recommendation of approval to City Council for a conditional use permit for a community building and recreational facility not publicly owned located at 525 North 74th Street with single-family zoning.

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The R1-7 zoning district does allow a conditional use permit to be applied for for a community and recreational building not publicly owned. This is the proposed site plan for the multi-purpose building. You see the site in the configuration

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change. Some site details to kind of give you context of how large the building is, parking, open space required for the site. Key items of consideration for you guys is that staff has received opposition in

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regards to this case. The proposal is consistent and conforms with the general plan and is consistent and conforms with the conditional use permit criteria. Again, just to bring you back to the action requested. This is for a recommendation of approval for a

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community and recreational building not publicly owned on 525 North 74th Street with single family zoning. Uh that finishes staff's presentation. The applicant team is here. Uh if you guys have any questions for us. Thank you. Um

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we do have a question for you. Thank you. Um we did receive a letter from a resident that was concerned about ingress and egress. And then in the application, I believe it said that it that issue that concern had been

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addressed. Could you go back to the drawing and kind of show us what she was concerned about and how it was corrected? Or amended or whatever. Uh Chair Young and Commissioner Joiner, um are you speaking about uh Diane

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Kaminsky's comment? Yes. So, um they were working with the adjacent neighbor and they might be able to my applicant will probably speak to that. Um but they did ultimately remove one of the access points on the south side um to help alleviate some of those access issues. Um the main entrance is going to

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be on 74th uh just right here. Thank you. Okay. Uh any other questions for staff right now? Or are we ready for a applicant presentation? Well, I do have one question. Um Mr. Zimmer, um >> [clears throat]

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>> the elevation of the um building on the south side, I'm kind of interested in that. If you have those numbers, I believe part of it might be 15 and I'm not sure about the other height. Chair Young and Commissioner Drake, yeah, I think the applicant team has some

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elevations that they can show you for uh that side. Yes, I appreciate that. Okay. Uh we welcome the applicant up for a presentation. You should be able to use the arrow keys or the scroll. Thank you, sir. We uh we submitted to do the introduction

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first. Good afternoon. My name is uh Marcus Mansour. I am [clears throat] the senior priest at St. Mark Coptic Orthodox Church. And I appreciate this opportunity to to

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speak for this uh project. Um actually, this project can go back all the way to 1997. And uh we managed to get the approval from the city

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in 2002. And His Holiness late Pope Shenouda III came all the way from Egypt and the prayed the cornerstone for this project in the presence of the uh mayor of the

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city of Scottsdale. Uh I believe her name was Mary Manross. And she actually spoke in this event congratulating the community uh for this project. Um

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what happened is slightly after that, the church next door, the uh Rock Church, was for sale. And that seemed to be very good uh opportunity for us, too.

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So, we directed all the fund to buy that uh uh church uh so that we have uh a bigger facility there. But that didn't really serve the main issue

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that the especially the young people in the heat of the Arizona summer or the Valley summer, uh we have a hard time to uh bring them uh

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to be within the church activity. And uh so that's why this idea comes to enhance our services and to offer also the community around us, the neighborhood,

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uh an opportunity to mingle and to uh get also benefit from this building. So, this building is not only for St. Mark, but it's going to help uh

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the the neighbors also. Um so you can see many of our members are here tonight. Uh they are all anxious for your uh decision

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uh to to fulfill the dream, which is started, as I said, back in 1997. I came to Arizona in 1995. And when I was called to the priesthood, uh I had to resign my position as a

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professor of engineering at Dalhousie University in Canada to answer the call. Uh and we are surrounded by many professional uh in in the within the community.

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We have Dr. Mamlouk who has been at ASU professor of civil engineering for over 41 years now, I believe. We have also Mr. Gerges Hanna, who's engineer uh

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operate uh a construction company in the Valley here. And they are all anxious. And you can see some young people who will benefit from this uh from this project. So, we have been there

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since 1993, actually. Two years before my arrival. We always had a very good relationship with our neighbors. We never had really uh problems.

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And we would like to continue that that uh situation. Uh I don't think we will uh affect the traffic because the same people who pray every Sunday will be less than those

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people during the week there. I don't think uh we are increasing or starting anything new, but we are enhancing the way we serve and the way uh we take care of our community.

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So, on behalf of of my congregation, I really would like to see approval to this dream project. Any question for me? Um is that your whole presentation or was

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there going to be something also about the site plan and the elevations? I think there was some commissioners that had some questions specifically about that. We have our architect team. Thank you. Great. Thank you. Uh they can Thank you all for your time. Thank you

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for the introduction. Um I'll try to be brief. We we've um our firm MRT Design, we've been hired by uh the church to be a mediator between their design idea uh and to work with

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the community. The main goal of the project was to turn the existing basketball court, which is currently on the parking lot, into an indoor basketball court that is accessible by the community. Uh we're happy with all the comments that we received. The

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church has been very accommodating in ways in which we can find a opportunity to address the comments from the neighbors, address the comments from the public, and to have ownership from the neighbors and the public within the design of the building. Um there's

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definitely no interest into imposing onto the community or the neighborhood, but the church would be happy to work with that. One of the um comments addressing the street access, there's currently two separate street access into the um the site. There's one

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that you see right here, and then there's one at the beginning of the property. Um with the comment that we received that there is a lot of in and out from that parking lot, we removed the south um entrance to the site and instead put in

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a larger walkway and landscape um in that portion. Um and in the site plan, I don't know if I can go back to the site plan that was um on here. If I go back or not. That's okay. I can I can go back to my images if that's easier.

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So, right here there is um currently on the south side of the parking lot, there used to be a driveway entrance that goes into the site and then turns around to the back. Um one of the comments that we received was to reduce the amount of entrances and exits to the site, which is what we have right now.

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Um the reason why you see all those black arrows and and dimension lines is because one of the things that we tried to do is to make sure that we have sufficient circulation for uh the people accessing the site. Uh we've received comments to ensure that we um have no problems with the refuse, and of course,

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one of our most important ones is also fire truck access in through the site so that we would not be able to do that. So, we did quite a bit of work to make sure that we accommodate all those things by removing that single entrance to the site. Um I can go through back to my uh images

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if possible, please. Thank you. Um, would you like me to address the city the comments that we received from the public or Uh, you've got two over two minutes so you can use this time as you want to. Yeah, absolutely. So, the

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entrance here, this is the main corner entrance of the site. Um, one of the comments that we received was to have uh, the building right on the street. Um, and what we elected to do is push the building back into the property and then to have a larger landscape area in

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the front so that we can enhance the walkway and the presence of the building in the community. Um, as well as having trees so that there would be a little bit of a buffer between the street and the building. Um, the other thing is that you can see on the right hand side here as we stepped the building up so that there

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would be a gradual increase to the height of the building and not have an abrupt um, building corner onto the property. Um, this is a similar uh, view just a little bit from the uh, corner of the site.

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Then here it's a little bit clearer. You can see the the step up from the existing um, from the street view onto the basketball building. So, the big building in the back is all this is the current condition. The big building that we're adding is all basketball court. So, the

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main part here is which is the entrance through the site. That's the one that we've um, removed. Uh, this is All right. So, this is a um, an image of the building superimposed onto the property just to kind of give you an idea of scale of what the building is

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going to look like onto the alleyway. Um, and that's the driveway again that we removed. Um, one of the comments that we've received was um, the view of the backside of the building or the south side on the alleyway. Um,

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one of the intentions that we have is to address the views, the landscape. Um, we do want to include portion of landscape. The areas where we are not able to go landscape because of the height of the power poles as we intend to have vines and landscape climb to the side of the

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building so that that would be part of excuse me, that would be part of the building elevation. Um, I don't know if I can go on to the next slide here. This one. So, this shows again that corner property and then the entrance which we relocated the parking from.

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>> [snorts] >> Okay. Uh, Do we have any questions for the applicant? Thank you for your presentation. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you for your time. Um, Commissioner Ortega. I thought when I read the write-up that it said that the use of the um, basketball court of the of the the

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center would be restricted to members of the congregation. But, I see that's not correct. Okay. So, You need to address that on the mic so we Oh, yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point.

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>> my answer but nobody else heard it so >> Yeah, okay. I I think the response was that it's also going to be used by the the community probably more than it would be by the congregation. Correct. Yeah, the the main idea is that this indoor facility would be accessible so that it's not just basketball on on the

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asphalt parking lot. Okay. So, there's going to be staff there during the during the day and evening or whatever or how's that as it going to be um, handled? I would assume that the uh, congregation would have operational staff to address that. Okay.

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All right, thank you. And I have a question about the heighting the height on the south side. There are different components of the building. >> Correct. >> And so, can you give me those heights? I believe there are three areas. Absolutely, you're correct. Um, the

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existing building which is on the right hand side of the image here, the ridge top height is about 15 ft. Um, the stepping up of our building goes to 15, 18, and then up to 30 ft to the top height of the parapet. So, from the backside, if you're looking

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at at it from the south side looking up, you would always see the height of the highest you might see from that position from the ground would be 15 ft or no, 18 ft. I'm sorry. >> 18 ft, yeah. That's what you would see. The first portion would be 15 ft, then

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18 ft. Yes, there's so there's two parts of the building on the the bottom left hand corner. The first one would be a 15 ft height and then it steps up to an 18 ft height. Okay. And then that is to accommodate the gymnasium for for basketball. Um, yeah,

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there are facilities to accommodate. There's restrooms, lockers, uh, break room for the kids, things like that. Storage facility. >> the height of the for the height of the gymnasium, that's why you had to go up higher there. Correct, for the basketball court itself, correct.

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>> Okay, thank you. Commissioner Gonzalez. Yes, thank you very much. Um, I I guess maybe my first question would be is uh, what is the occupancy of the uh, facility? Um, the entire facility is assembly

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occupancy. I beg your pardon? It's assembly occupancy. I'm I'm I I'm sorry. >> Assembly you said? It's assembly, yes, but that's what is the occupancy? How many people can go into that building and sit there?

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Oh, um, I don't know if I have that right on the top of my head but one of the parts I think is we have the main area so are Let me see if I can see on here. Um, Well, if you don't have it yet from the fire on your application, that's okay. Yeah,

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I don't think we have it on the application. Um, we So, the there there's two parts to it I guess. There's one part which is the church, the existing church which we are um, going to be reducing in half its size. And then the second part would be the

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majority which is the basketball court. Um, that's about 6,000 ft. Do you know how many parking spaces you will need for that facility? Yeah, the overall parking space is about 55 required by the city of Scottsdale and I think we're extending to 57.

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57 car Okay, what is the hours of operation? Um, I'm not sure if the church >> is a residential area so yeah, the the hours of operation is a real important factor for people who live there.

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So, um, you don't you don't know the hours yet? Um, I'm not sure if I have the answer to the hours. Okay. What's what's your lighting like on that? Is you going to Did you get your approval for your lighting for the basketball court yet?

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For the lighting? Yes. It's in it's an indoor basketball court. >> So, then you're going to have um, then you're then on the on the parking lot itself, the structure, you're going to have lighting for the parking area. I assume then. Correct. And what what what is

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that going to be like? So, one of the studies that we did early on was to ensure that we have a cutoff at the property line of all the parking spaces so that the lighting itself would not extend beyond the parking lot. The second layer that we did was um,

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everything on the south side is going to be landscaping so we pushed some of that parking lot lighting um, where it's to the center of the proper for the center of the parking which is where the current lighting poles exist. Do you know the the height on those lighting poles? Um, I believe

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we have about 10 ft on the light poles. Very good. And then as far as the community aspect because I know you're the on the application everything I noticed everything was said in conjunction as community. What When you

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say community, is it like is it going to be the facility is open to everybody, anybody, nobody? Uh, how how do you how are you going to regulate that? Uh, I believe that's the intent, yes. Um, I'm not sure if the church has a

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a way that they can have people access how to get access to the court or I was more concerned about the gym. Uh, well, yeah. So, access to the gym if they it's something that's scheduled through the church. Um, I don't know if they have uh,

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currently something that Do people have an access to schedule a court time or Sir, if if you're going to respond, could you do it at the microphone so Yeah. Yeah, you can respond at the microphone. Thank you.

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Yeah, of course. Our congre- congregation did not really grow that much in that area. Uh, even though the Coptic community in Phoenix grew and uh, this is the very very first

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Coptic church in the state of Arizona. Now, thank God we have four of them spread uh, around the valley. We have We have one in uh, the west side, Peoria. We have one on the north side uh, in

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Phoenix and we have one on the east side in Mesa. So, in Saint Mark, the community doesn't grow. So, we have been around 80 families, 80 to 100 families.

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So, when we do activities, the activities is open for everybody. Not everybody participate, but there is always a servants who are in charge. So, it is not like

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open for anyone to walk in. There are servants in charge to open the facility, to be there during those activity hours, and then close everything when the activities uh end. So, what what um

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What's the latest time period that you're open till? What say Sundays or Sundays or Saturdays? >> Sunday we are done by about 3:00 in the afternoon. Uh usually Friday, that's when

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our youth come to the church and do their meetings and their activities. Uh they go from 7:00 to about 9:30 10:00. Very good. And then um as far as the the community aspect of it, like I was

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mentioning before, then uh then can the community utilize the gym and the basketball court or is it just for the the parishioners? No, it's for for everybody. Okay. Because they're going

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>> only It's not only sports. The the the the the the multi-purpose building that's So, you're going to be have you're going to have Are you going to hold services within that assembly area? In in the church next to it because we already

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have the church, but that church is used during the week where not many people there. So, we're going to cut that church into half, and that will be enough for our midweek services. Okay, very good. Thank you, sir. Mr. Joiner.

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I totally support this application. Anything we can do to keep our children and our young adults involved in it and um off the streets. And I hope you do have people that aren't parishioners coming to play basketball because maybe

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they'll become parishioners. So, I think your site looks lovely and I welcome you. So, thank you. Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Okay. Um Mr. Zimmer, I I know you and I emailed

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yesterday about a couple of um questions that I had. Um I I think this is a wonderful use. I I I fully support it. Um and it it sounds like Mr. Zimmer relayed some of my concerns to you and and some of those elevations or the

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renderings that you had done. The first is I mean I know it's a gym, but it's a big building and it's pretty close to the property line. You're within the setbacks, you're within the height restriction. Uh so, that's all per the zoning ordinance. Have you had Has the church

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had any conversations with the three uh neighbors directly south of where this building's going to be? Yes, please. Uh We had uh uh opposition from someone.

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Uh we had only his phone number. And we called him. We left a message. We never heard back. Yet, some of the members from the church

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uh they went knocking on the doors around the the the immediately uh in the in the neighborhood, and they spoke to the people about what we do. And I think they we had a good response.

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Uh I guess my question was specifically to the three neighbors to the south. They're they're going to be the most impacted by this um with their rear yards facing the back of this uh this building. That's an alley.

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It's right here. Yeah, just to the south on the south side of the alley. >> A couple of houses. >> Yeah, those those here are the houses we we contacted. >> You you you spoke with those people and there was no concerns. But in the back there is there is alley and there is a

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fence. No, I understand. Um it's just I I was looking, you know, through the whole neighborhood, all the homes that are in there are all single or single story. This would be the largest structure in this entire neighborhood. So, it just to me it felt a little bit um out of

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character of the neighborhood. Is there and and maybe you could kind of walk me through the site planning process, is there Had you considered maybe moving it away from that south property line at all so that you could get a little bit more of a landscape buffer there?

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Uh cuz one of the the concerns that I had brought up is namely one, the power lines cuz I know that you won't be able to put trees under those power lines like it showed in the in the plan. Um and I'm I'm not completely convinced that vines are going to do great on that

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south-facing wall. Uh so, I don't think that that's necessarily going to I mean it looked great in the rendering, but um it's it's a very challenging condition. So, you know, if those neighbors didn't speak up and they said they didn't have any opposition to it, then you know, that's that's on them,

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but uh you're within the setbacks, you're within the height uh the height um for the property. Um are there any um plans to take those power lines down or you going to just leave those in

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place? Um we currently do not have plans to do any work with the power lines. Uh but one of the things that we did have in the beginning was, which is the location where the building um we actually had quite a bit of more parking space in the front, which we eliminated for landscape. I don't see

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that there's any problem for us to shift the building further north. Instead of having all the landscape condensed on the north and the west, I don't see that there's a problem with us doing it all around the perimeter. Cuz it it it looked like you had some room on the north side to shift it if

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>> Yeah, we actually had parking lot in all of that area and because of the comments that we received from the neighbors to the west, we eliminated that parking. We worked our um our parking area, and so there is no problem to push that further north and then redistribute the

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landscape. About how far do you think you'd be able to push it? Um >> [snorts] >> cuz it would be really great to get some trees on that south side. >> Yeah, I mean I I think I mean I don't know the exact measurements, but we had about an 18-to-20-foot parking space in

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the front, so I don't see that there's a problem with us pushing it another 18, maybe 10 10-15 ft so that we can redistribute the landscape around the perimeter. >> I think I think 15 ft would probably do it um cuz I I I know this is an SRP service area, and they've got some

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pretty strict requirements as far as shouldn't say requirements, restrictions on how close you can plant trees to those power lines, and it would be nice to have a tree of some size there uh to help mitigate, you know, the that elevation because it looked like that that particular elevation had a little

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bit less detailing to it Correct. >> than um all the the nice stuff you're doing along the front edge and at the north end of the building. So, um you know, I'm just kind of looking out for the those three neighbors that you're going to have south of you. They're going to be looking at a a stucco wall that's 30

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ft tall. Sure. Um it's it's a lot and you know, something like that could diminish property values if they do decide to sell. Um so, if if you got some flexibility that, you know, you could shift that that building 15 ft to the north, uh you know, that would alleviate my

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concerns. Yeah, I I mean as I'm looking at it now, I see the northwest corner of the building is right on the setback, but I think we can kind of turn it a little bit and I mean we'll we'll work on it. Okay, great. Thank you. >> Absolutely. Uh are there any other questions? Commissioner Gonzales.

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I just wanted to ask you a question on um since you have a facility there and everything, was there any chance of having an open house there at any point or did you have an open house there for the neighborhood at any point?

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You mean open house about the project or in general? >> Yes. No, the the the project only. Uh definitely we can do that. We didn't because we thought sending letters to all the neighbors, knocking on the doors was enough. Yeah,

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yeah, my my only concern is because of the location. It's It's a It's a good project. It's good to have a community center like that. It's good for children and everything like that, but one of the most important things is that we have to consider is as a residential area, what

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is the impact to the neighbors? And so, that's why I you know, I encouraged you to have an open house. I I know you didn't have one, but in the future if you're doing things, an outreach program is definitely worthwhile. Sure. Thank you.

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Okay, uh any other questions or comment? Um You you would like to make a motion? Okay, go ahead. I'd like to make a motion for recommendation of approval to the city council for case 11 UP 2025

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after finding that the CUP criteria have been met and that the proposed conditional use permit is consistent and conforms with the adopted general plan per the attached stipulations. Uh before before there's a second, uh Mr. Curtis,

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um since the applicant's agreed to modify the site plan with relocating that building, does that need to be included as a stipulation or is staff going to just address that with the applicant as this moves forward? Yeah, Mr. Chairman, members of the

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commission, if there was an objective um measurement that you wanted to add to the stipulations or if if you just want to leave that up to um staff continue working with the applicant on that south uh I guess the south setback is really

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what you're looking for. Yeah, I mean, I don't necessarily think it needs to be a stipulation. I think um You want to include it? Yeah. Okay. Not my motion, but yeah. Okay. Uh You want me to redo it? Um you could just um

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I could request an amendment to it and you could add that. I don't think you need to repeat everything you've read, but just include the amendment. All right, so I'd like to also request that we include an amendment to

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um increase the uh what would I call that? Setback 10 to 15 ft so that appropriate landscaping could be put in that didn't

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interfere with the power lines. >> Yeah, I think it's going to probably have to be 15 ft in order to clear those lines. >> [clears throat] >> Does that work, Mr. Curtis? >> I'll second that. I'll second that. Yes, Mr. Chairman, before you guys vote, um I just have uh with the additional step to

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increase the south side setback a minimum of 15 ft. Thank you. Second. We have a second. Can we get a roll call vote, please? Chair Young. Yes. Vice Chair Scarborough. Yes. Commissioner Gonzales. Um I'm going to say no only because I

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thought maybe that an outreach program could have been done prior to this. So, my uh answer is no at the time. Commissioner Urtado. Yes. Commissioner Joiner. Yes. Commissioner Drake. Yes. Commissioner Reed. Yes. Motion passes.

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Thank you. Thank you. Uh good luck with your project moving forward. Uh that's our last case for tonight, so uh all in favor for adjournment, say aye. Aye. >> Aye. Meeting's adjourned. Thank you, everybody.