Vice Chair Cardella and filling in tonight for Chair Wiloxen and I would like to formally call this meeting to order. Welcome to city staff, transportation commissioners, and the public to the May 21st Transportation Commission meeting. Meetings are being held in person, televised on Cox Channel
11, and streamed online at scottsdaleaz.gov for the public to listen and to view the meeting in progress. I'd like to ask for a roll call to begin this evening's meeting. Miss Conclue, >> thank you. Chair Will Coxen is absent. Vice Chair Cardella
>> present. >> Thank you. Commissioner Marman is remote. Can we Can you hear us? >> Yes, I'm here. >> Thank you. Commissioner Pankeritch >> here. >> Thank you. Commissioner Kofile >> here.
>> Thank you. Commissioner Davis >> here. >> Thank you. and Commissioner Baker >> here. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Spoken comment is being accepted for agendaized and non-aggendaized items. The request to speak forms must be submitted no later than 90 minutes before the start of the
meeting. Miss Conclude, do we have any spoken comments? >> Vice Chair Cardelloo. We do not. >> Thank you. Written comments are being accepted for agenda and non-aggendaized items and should be submitted electronically at least 90 minutes before the start of the meeting. These comments are also emailed to the
transportation commission and posted online. Miss Conlu, do we have any written comments? >> Vice Chair Cardella, we do not. Thank you. >> Thank you. So, the first item of the agenda is the approval of the meeting minutes from the April 16th meeting. Commissioners, are there any comments or
corrections on the minutes? >> Yes, Commissioner Davis. Uh uh page one, section one. Um at the uh I guess would be towards the towards the bottom it says Commissioner Baker abstained. That should be Commissioner Davis. >> I'm sorry, which page?
>> Uh first page section one, approval of meeting minutes. >> And it should say what? >> Uh Commissioner Davis abstained on the U >> second line from the bottom. >> Thank you.
>> Noted. Any other comments? Okay, then I will take a motion for approval of the minutes with that correction. >> So moved. >> Thank you, Commissioner Davis. Second. >> Second. >> And Commissioner Kofile seconded.
All in favor of approving the April 16th minutes with that adjustment say I. >> I. >> I. >> I. I. >> Opposed? That passes six to zero. The second item is a presentation on
ebikes and related devices. We will hear an overview and update on the city's ebike regulations and activities on the paths. We have Miss Conclu, our senior transportation planner, as well as Scottsdale police officers, Sailor and
Fleming. Thank you, Vice Chair Cardella, and members of the commission. I'm Susan Conclu, senior transportation planner. Uh, I just have an update. We were here last time on this item in May 2025, but we've been
working on all these different items and then having our uh police officers here is new for you to hear some more about their education and enforcement activities since the um ordinance changes last July that they've been
working with. So, I'll be talking about path, trail, street network, signage updates, um, our path widening projects as they've moved forward, outreach from transportation and infrastructure department, the safety brochure, and an
update on the path speed limit study. So, some of this may look familiar to you from before, but the the multi-use path system is in place to provide a safe space for family use along the network that accommodates users,
including people walking, running, riding bikes, using other mobility devices. This p the paths have been designed for recreational use, including bike riding. But it's important for people to know that it's also used for transportation. Someone may have an
actual destination that they're trying to get to and that's where they feel comfortable riding their bike. And typically people that are riding for recreational reasons may avoid the street network and prefer to be away from traffic, especially along major
arterial roads. And the paths accommodate a wide range of skill levels from the least skilled bicyclists, including young children that are learning to ride or adults that are learning or getting back to riding while still being of interest to the most
skilled riders. The pads typically include striping to indicate two-way traffic, especially in the um areas that have more use, signage with destination, directional path identity, and safety information
and rules. They are shared use. Some people might still refer to things as a bike path, but that's not exactly accurate. It is a shared use or multi-use path. So, bicyclists must yield to pedestrians and pass on the left and use an audible signal. And
users are um required to stay to the right half. Sometimes that doesn't always happen, but that's the goal um for for this two-way traffic on the path system. And it has a standard weight, excuse me, standard width to accommodate all users. typically 10 feet which is
the standard now but older sections of path are some of them are still eight feet and they could go as wide as 12 feet wide. There are growing types of motorized devices. This these images might even be
outdated when you look at how fast some things have been developed and seen out there in the city. But that includes gas powered bicycles, electric scooters, electric bicycles, class one, two, and
three or things that don't fit that definition. Segways, motorized skateboards or one wheels, electric unicycles, and then there's electric motorcycles and dirt bikes and motorized play
vehicles also. and the types and numbers of these are increasing and that's also changing the maximum speeds that these can go. Um, one of the reasons we're seeing these happen or be more and more common is over the last several years,
the cost of these has changed a lot from thousands of dollars to now you you can get an ebike for $400 or you can, you know, hack a regular bike and turn it into an ebike for probably less than that.
Electric powered devices that have functioning pedals that are allowed on the city's path network include class one bicycles. Basically, those um it has a helper motor and it only assists you when you are pedaling. If you stop pedaling,
it doesn't give you any extra power on that motor. And it um that that tops out at 20 miles per hour. Your legs could take you faster than that, but the motor isn't going to do that for you. And then it's less than 750 watts by definition
of that class one. The class two bicycle is very similar, but it has a throttle on demand, meaning it gives you motor assist without pedaling. You could still ride the bike, but you could also go without pedaling and it'll continue
taking you on your way up to 20 miles per hour. Electric powered devices that do not have functioning pedals that are allowed on the path include electric personal assistant mobility devices that have
either one or two non-tandem wheels. So those are the two images on the top. The the brand name that you're familiar with probably is Segways. Uh and they're selfbalancing. They carry only one person. Um, people on these are considered pedestrians because that it's
the a bicycle definition includes tandem wheels in many cases. The electric standup mini scooter that you see on the bottom image has a floorboard and handlebars, maximum speed of 20 miles per hour and is 75 pounds or less. These
can have a seat even though the def the Scottsdale definitions are still electric standup mini scooters. Devices with functioning pedals that are prohibited on the path network include class 3 bicycles. Those are very similar
to the class one, but the maximum motor speed of those is 28 miles per hour. So again, it um you still need to be pedaling for it to give you any power, but it goes faster. And I don't know of
anywhere that allows these on pads. that are only allowed on streets. Ebicycles that exceed 28 miles per hour or more or that are um more than 750 watts don't have a classification. So, we're seeing some when we were
researching we were kind of calling them sort of class 4 or beyond category. Um and we're even seeing adjustable ones that can be a a one, two, or a three by a um a switch. I've seen those for sale at Costco. So you could switch back and
forth between one class. So that can create some challenges from a regulation standpoint. Um but again, anything as a class three or these beyond definition or beyond that um 28 miles per hour or the 750 watts can only be used on
roadways and bike lanes. There are some also that the that are included in the officer slides that are they're not allowed on roads either. They're they can only be on someone's private property if I'm remembering correctly. So then electric devices without
functioning pedals that are prohibited on the path include motor-driven cycles. I believe now those are more commonly called electric motor driven cycles. So, EMDC's, I call them emotos because I can never remember EMDC, but those are the
one type that we're seeing a lot more in the city on streets and sometimes on the paths can have two or three wheels. The motor is five power or 3.7 kilowatts or less. It does not fit a moped or
electric scooter or bicycle definitions. Um, one other challenge is because it's electric, you can't hear it necessarily. So, if someone's coming up behind you as you're walking or bicycling more slowly,
you may not hear that. And if the person isn't giving you an audible signal, you can think of um some of the issues that that creates. An electric motorcycle, they're pretty quiet, too. My neighbor has one. um two or three wheels. The motor is more than five horsepower or
3.7 kilowatts and it does have a seat. These can only be so this is the important key piece of information. They can only be used on roadways and they require a motorcycle endorsement and um must have tags I think but I'll
um I'll leave that for the later slides on the the other legal information. the electric powered devices on the path. So, this is just to give you a glance at where you can and can't use them. But what we've got here is the
it's kind of a brick red color that shows the whole McDall sonor and preserve as well as our canals crosscut canal, Arizona canal, and then I left off um central Arizona project canal. But that's also one of the places where because those are private
property. So, and they do not allow motorized anything on the canal system and also nonpreserved trails. So, up north, pretty much north of McCormack Ranch all the way up to the city boundary, any neighborhood unpaved
trails do not allow any um type of motorized devices. where you can use operate these are sidewalks the path system side paths are very similar to the regular multi-use path and then the on street network
the steps we've been taking this is the code update the original one that allowed ebikes if if you recall the old ordinance did not allow anything um if you remember goeds from 30 years ago that were all the rage were quite a
problem those gas powered scooters. And so the regulations at that point said you can't have anything gas, electric, whatever. Even if the motors turned off, it can't be anywhere near the paths. Well, then in November 2018, city
council adopted an update to the ordinance related to the class one and two electric bicycles and electric standup mini scooters. Um, a big part of that change allowing it on sidewalks and pads was related to the state of Arizona
had recently adopted new regulations allowing um those devices to be um used statewide on sidewalks and paths unless a community adopted further restrictions.
A lot of this ordinance also involved parking regulations for bikes and scooters because that's what we were getting the high number of public complaints and feedback related to the on street network. Um this network
is key for alleviating a lot of bicycle pedestrian conflicts on sidewalks and paths. It should allow it does and allows direct routes for people if you wish to ride at a faster speed including anybody with more experience where they
don't want to interact so much with um slower users and it has so the speed convenience and directness are factors for these routes. If the on street bikeways are available and seamless then we expect that faster riders will use
them. But as we've heard when we talk about the city's bike friendliness, um there's gaps in that network. So that may affect the route that someone chooses and they may choose the path because maybe it's more direct or they choose it because it's seamless for
where they're trying to go. So it but another important item for our network itself is that the on street network should help you connect to and from the paths because people want to be able to use everything and should. Another item that we've been
working on is our pathway finding and regulatory signage. So, this was from the recently I want to say 2024, so that's still kind of recent. Um, path installation along the Indian Bend Wash from Thomas to Indian Bend Road. We put
in over 200 signs along the seven miles of paths. Most of them are green with directional information, location information, the name of um bridges and underpasses or what park you're entering. But then the image down at the
bottom shows the yellow more path rules signs that were put in. And those gave what we see the most often or hear about from from people walking or biking. Things like bikes yield to pedestrians, keep right except
to pass. And then we gave information on what motorized devices are allowed, if any, or um in the case of the canals, it would clarify that no devices are allowed. and these can help provide um
information so that enforcement is easier. Future phases of this will include Indian Ben Road all the way north up to Westworld and then we will pair the planned park improvements south of Thomas Road to for the full sign
package. Coming up next, probably this fall, we'll finish Arizona Canal, crosscut canal, and Puma path from Indian Ben Road south. We did do a little test area on the Arizona Canal between Camelback and Chapperel because
that's where we were getting the most calls for something to be done related to ebikes and e- motors. the path widening projects that have been going on for a few years. This is to remove segments of the 40year-old concrete path
and replace it to the current standards 10 to 12 feet wide. We're phasing these in segments. We continue to do that along Indian Benwash, but it provides better separation between all users and both directions of travel. When you
think of some of these older segments that are only eight feet wide, you have your two-way traffic, but people might also be trying to pass in two directions, and sometimes that's happening all in the same place, and people are going different speeds. The newest segment was completed between
Earl Drive and Third Street, and the next one is um planned for the McCormack Ranch area. Ongoing outreach, trans Oh, I keep missing this typo. transportation and infrastructure staff every time I
make these slides I don't catch that are conducting continual outreach efforts so that we can inform the public about these regulations and laws on the paths as well as help educate people on alternate routes on the street network if you do wish to ride at faster speeds
and then here's some of the ideas we've continued looking into is working more with the police bike unit and park rangers we did develop and revise the bicycle safety brochure and then um continue continuing to update and give
the public the online and printed um urban oasis system map. And I lost my train of thought. I was going to say one other thing um but hopefully it'll come back to me. And then um we in the past had already
reached out to the police department for assistance with targeted enforcement on the path network including the police bike unit and park rangers. They've done social media um messaging and on other occasions they've done a
slow down Scottsdale video safety video series as well as um a photo shoot to help educate the public and show images in all the different efforts we do. And then we also did things on bike to work day also at tour to Scottsdale. and
we're still considering some type of followup path safety video with PD that would focus on ebike users. Um, I did just remember where my train of thought went earlier. So, the wayfinding signing signage that we've put in, um, I have
seen some requests from the public to put more signs and I think I've got three different locations where people have said, "Can you put up signs to help tell people?" which is interesting because early on people would say signs aren't going to help with anything. And
we'd say, well, we still think signs are important. Signs don't do everything for you. But to me, I look at those as a first layer and something that should be done, especially because sometimes there's confusion about what's allowed and what's not allowed. So, I'm actually
glad to be now receiving requests for for signage. The brochure itself, this also matches the information that's gone up on the web page, but it's a bicycling in Scottsdale brochure or we call it a rack card because it fits in these plastic
card holders. And we've re we recently and originally distributed them to bike shops, bike rental companies, and community centers. Um, someone suggested we also keep taking these to places like libraries and the aquatic centers, but it really it's to promote the bike
network, kind of give you a glance at where can I and can't I use different things um related to regular bikes or ebikes and then it gives a QR code so people can go get updated information.
the speed limit study that we talked about last year. So, speed limits versus path etiquette. We've got the yellow signs on the right that we did already install where we um we kept it more general saying maintain safe speed to match the current ordinance which says
use um reasonable and prudent speed under the conditions at that time. And those conditions can change by time of day, how many people are out there, whether it's dry or the path is wet, other things.
Then there are different averages we looked into for what a typical speed of a path user may be. So for class one and two ebikes, again, those top out at 20 miles per hour. Not everyone rides them at that speed. I see some people that just they happen to prefer an ebike
because it helps them maybe ride farther or keep up with um friends that they're with or to pull their child in a trailer who is growing and getting heavier. Um so, but that just helps you to know that they could be going that fast. An adult
manual bicyclist average about 12.8 miles per hour. Inline skaters 10.1 miles per hour. child bicyclist. I actually fit in with this number pretty much myself about 7.9
miles per hour. Runners 6.5 probably not if you're my height and speed, but again it's an average. So gives you an idea of the differences. And then pedestrians are about 3.4 miles per hour. And the intent of the study
since we began was to show the speeds of what people are doing out on the Indian Benwash path. So we did begin conducting that study and there may be a pilot um of where speed limits could be posted and we
chose based on this group's feedback last year the Indian ben wash between chaparel and Indian school one important note there is the path is on both sides of Hayden in those locations and some of it's park some of it's non-p park and that can give us some really important
data and then Indian ben wash between via Linda and the loop 101 the we're still in that current step for the speed data collection but we did collect initial data in November and December of
2025 and what we found was one class 3 ebike that was going 30 miles per hour. So, it could have been strong legs on top of getting there with that 28 mile per hour um maximum motorized speed.
Average speed overall was below the 15 mph proposed speed limit if we were going to have any. And then manual bicycles were going 12.8 miles per hour. that average speed
and please clarify to me Nathan the average speed is.3 miles per hour higher than what we saw or this is 3.3 miles per hour higher than the average we thought >> no is that the average we saw was 13.1
which would be.3 miles per hour higher than the national average of a manual bicyclist >> that's what I thought but then I might I thought I was overthinking it looking at it and then at 15 miles per hour the speed limit if that's what as we had
proposed um considering that would not affect these average the average speeds that were observed so the really what we're seeing is small numbers that are going very fast those are already
I would say breaking the law breaking the law of what's reasonable and prudent because in general we suggest that the path shouldn't be higher than 20 miles per Recent meetings on this update were to transportation commission May 15 of
2025. That was our where our discussion included enforcement coordination with other cities which we do coordinate. We have a monthly meeting with cities just to talk about their regulations or any regulations they're thinking of and issues they deal with. Uh
also se could there be separate biking and walking paths? Questions about the existing regulations and then the schedule, timing and location for the study. the at the time the transportation commission recommended to staff um seven to zero that we do
conduct the study in those two locations and then we talked about that it's recommended to come back or collect data again a year after the beginning data was collected we presented this same information to the paths and trails subcommittee last June as an information
item and then this just a month ago we presented to the parks and recreation commission And that one's important because that's since the July um ordinance changes related to minimum age limit on class
three bicycles and then I'll wait to take your questions at the end after the officers go. >> Perfect. >> So I'll let them come up. Thank you. >> Okay. And then this is your best way to
advance. Thank you. >> Good evening, commissioners. I'm Officer Sailor and this is Officer Fleming. We are both part of our ranger unit in the city of Scottsdale. Um, ebikes have been a big concern. It's been a hot topic for us for a while. I know you guys are aware of it. Um, and
we've been trying to work diligently and as much as we can with many entities in the city. So, this is kind of a down and dirty uh slideshow just kind of what we put out for educational purposes and then we'll kind of get into a little bit more specifics here in just a minute u with some rough statistics and data that
we've compiled. So, our first concern is always public safety. So whether it's for the pedestrians, the riders, traffic, um one of the large concerns that we have when it comes to the uh electric motor driven cycles is a lot of that we see is actually on the roadway with riders that
are 12 to 14 years in age popping wheelies and that sort of thing. Um so that's a large issue for us. Um but the overall general safety of the public. Um the issues that we have observed in the parks and the preserve, they're using the multi-use path. Um, a
lot of times it's the fastest way from one kid's house to another house or from school to another location they want to go to hang out at, at say a basketball court at a different park. So, they'll cut down through that. Um, the other issue is they know that we can't we can
um, but police cars are a little more difficult to get down there because we start causing damage and everything else. The other part of it is if they do run from us, we have policies that we are not allowed to pursue to wheeled vehicles. So, um it's a is the juice worth the squeeze type of thing. If we
push them to crash into somebody, the city's liable. Um and the likelihood of a crash on a two-heel vehicle if they are fleeing from us is extremely high. Um so, that's a concern, but it's also one of the biggest hindrances we have doing enforcement, which we'll kind of
come to here in a little bit as well. uh education and enforcement. Uh education was done very well throughout the agency, throughout the city. Um between riders, parents, bike shops, um the schools especially, um our SRO's
were fantastic in doing that. Uh meeting with parents, staff, even putting on their own seminars and having us come help out. We have pretty much moved through the education point because we did it for quite some time and we're pretty heavy into the enforcement realm
now. So, um, between, if I'm quoting, uh, all city tow gentlemen, um, between Scottsdale and Gilbert, we're the two cities that are filling their tow yards with these electric motorcycles when we are able to actually catch them and
sight them appropriately and impound their motorcycles. So, u, we'll get to registration here in a bit, I believe, as well as part of our slides. So, this is kind of going back to the different types that Susan just went
over. Um, for the police department where we kind of stand on it with the anything outside of the class one, two or three, for us it becomes an electric motor driven cycle. So, unless it falls under say like a moped. Um, for that reason, like we're seeing some of the
kids, they will take the chain off of a bike that actually has functional pedals but has an assist that can go to a certain speed. Well, once they bypass the chain, it no longer has functioning pedals, which is in the Arizona Revised Statutes for an electric bicycle, an
ebike. And once they do that, it superseds it. So now we treat it like an electric motor driven cycle at that point because it's the intent of what they're doing. They're trying to have it as a motorcycle, not a bicycle anymore. So, the big thing with these is always it doesn't have functional pedals. They
will put pedal kits on them to make it look like it has functional pedals. You'll see a pedal out front. Instead of having pegs like a regular motorcycle, they'll have one in front, one in the rear, but they don't actually function. They still look like a dirt bike. >> Yeah. um officer was just mentioning
there are apps to unlock certain ebikes that allow them to go higher. So what we also look at is the wattage when it comes down to that. We base it off of it doesn't matter say if it's in a certain mode that doesn't allow it to go all the way to its full wattage. But say it's a
1000 watt hub on the rear versus a 750 which is the maximum. It's still capable of having the 1000 watt power. So, that's what transitions it out of being its class one or class two ebike because it's what they can unlock it to be whether whether it's a phone or certain
uh motor driven cycles they can actually cut a wire which then allows it to go much much faster. Um there's one that's being produced right now that if my memory serves it can go over 65 miles an hour. So, it's an actual motocross electric bike basically. Um I think and
then um they are and this is one thing unfortunately state law is always behind technology. It's never the other way around. So Arizona has not yet got a system in place with motor vehicles to where these bikes these motorcycles sorry can be registered but places like
Montana do. So what they can do is and we've been educating some of the parents on this. If the kids are 16 and they want to get their motorcycle license they can absolutely do that. And then if they register the motorcycle where they can and then bring it into MVD, then MVD
will then allow them to be registered because it was already registered in another jurisdiction. And then we let them know you have to have a motorcycle endorsement, license plate, you have to have insurance. All of that goes into it. So they can be ridden on the road if it's all done legally that way. Arizona's working on it, but they're
just a little bit behind the speed on that because again, technology just outpaces it. As far as enforcements, the crimes or traffic violations, um, it's a reasonable suspicion thing before we can intervene, before we can stop them. So,
with all the title 28, we do a lot of, uh, OBV offhighway vehicle citations as well. Um, so if they're going through some of the parks, we can cite them for, you know, driving in the park or being reckless depending on what they're doing. like we had them jumping rocks
over by the Vinda senior center, literally riding up on the rock and then ramping it off right in the parking lot. Um, so we cite that all the time. Typically they don't have offhighway vehicle registration, which again they should if they're riding it as a motorcycle. And then the SRC code, the
17-7, you want to take that one? >> Yeah. So that's our new code that we've had since last year. And I do have some statistics that I'll kind of give you. They are raw statistics that I was able to retrieve from Corona solutions. So um
this is overall the entire city. It is not specifically to the pathways. It is just anything that had the keyword of ebike. So that's not even including electric motor driven cycle which is a term that we and PD do use quite a bit.
Um so in the past year uh we have taken 541 reports referencing an ebike. Um those can be anything. Um it just was mentioned within the comments. So in the
past six months it's been 273 calls for service and 94 calls for service of those. The disposition for those um was a report. So, not necessarily that it was a citation or an arrest, but a
report was taken. And usually when a report is taken, one of those things does occur, but they only give us like specific guidelines that we can search for. Uh, three of those calls for service was specifically just citations
and 103 of those calls for service was a field, sorry, a field contact or a comment. So if we're trying to educate the kids or trying to educate the parents, if they say they don't know, then that's what we we try to give them
that. And then if we report it and the parents are aware, we're able to then go insight the parents the second time that they are um in contact with that same electric motor driven cycle. So um
the past year we've done roughly 12 details. All of those are made up of the motor unit, uh the park ranger unit, we've had um tech come out, we've used drones, we have we've done quite a bit
on these details. Um but the main thing is we we cannot follow. So we will try to use the drones to follow them to wherever they're going and we've been able to be very successful in that way. we've gotten the school resource officers to come out with us and they're able to ID some of these individuals
because again most of them are about 12 to 15. So um that is about all the statistics I have and some of these challenges I already touched on. Um the big thing is not stopping for us. Uh they know they can
run. It's it's not a secret. They know that they can take off from us and that we will not pursue. Um, and motorcycles are just more nimble than we are. You know, like our our specific truck is a long bed quadcat F F250 that's not
catching anything in on the planet. So, with these kids, these bikes are super fast. So, we can't we can't do that. Um, again, the laws just don't keep keep up with technology. So, and these bikes are ever evolving. we will see models that we didn't even know existed two days ago
and then Amazon's now importing a completely different thing and then we have to go do research to figure out whether it even falls under any of our laws right now. Um like the state of Arizona, I still don't think they've updated it, doesn't have a law governing a onehe vehicle,
>> but some of the onehe devices where they have the feet on either side can do over 60 miles an hour. >> So, but how do you govern something that there's no law that dictates it. So, um, and what Officer Fleming touched on, the education and previous experience, um,
especially when it comes to parents, being able to show that the parent fully knows their kid is out riding an electric motor-driven cycle causing problems, getting arrested, getting citations. At a certain point, we be like, "Nope, parent knows that this is what they're doing." If the parent's
like, "Yep, I I know they're out riding it." we can then cite the parent for there's a multitude of charges but at that point we can actually hold them responsible as well. So that's one of the bigger keys that we've had recently in the last what six months six eight months. >> Yeah. And most of the most of the kids
again are on the roadways. That is why we're seeing we are seeing most of them on the roadways. They might take the paths um when they're coming from school or to get certain places but the majority of our calls for service are coming from the roadways. though. And they do cut through private property
from time to time. Like some of the golf courses up north, especially up in like our foothills district way up north. Greyhawk Golf Course all of a sudden um has had quite a few calls where they're cutting through. Um so we've even put up trail cameras and stuff like that to try to ID who's doing damage and ramping off
the greens and that sort of thing. So um they're kids. They typically put stickers on stuff so you can ID things pretty easily that way. Special helmets and all sorts of stuff. So, um, if we want to get into any questions, clarifications,
>> we can commissioners questions or comments. Commissioner Kofile, >> thank you both uh for or thank you for both presentations. Uh one thing that I'm I'm just from the
presentations I wasn't fully understanding uh was the definition of functioning pedals. So I know there are some emotos uh I don't want to call them ebikes uh but you know there's there
that have pedals on them. There is a chain. and the chain has not been disconnected, but effectively they don't really you can't really pedal it because your knee will go too high or the kickstand the the pedal will hit the kickstand if you if you pedal or things
like that. And so is that still included since there is a chain there is a chain ring and you could conceivably pedal pedal the vehicle like is that considered a functioning pedal? So, as long as that bike has the ability to be
propelled forward by the pedals alone without any throttle, and we'll do that with kids a lot of times, we'll ask them to hold their hand up from the throttle and just show us that the bike can be propelled with only their feet. Okay? >> And if as long as that is actually
functioning, it counts. >> Okay? And then um and then as far as the electric motor driven cycle, the definition that that uh you you both had on your presentation was does not have functioning pedals. We
covered that. Um and or motor over 750 watts and or goes over 228 miles per hour. Uh I just want to clarify. So, like it doesn't have to have a motor that goes over 750 watts. If it doesn't have
functioning pedals or if it goes over 28 miles per hour, it doesn't it can have functioning pedals. It can have a motor under 750 watts, but it would still be considered one of these emotos. Is that is that an accurate way to read that? Or does it need to have all three of those
to be considered? >> Okay. >> No, it's it's just one at least one of those because we're thinking mile per hour here. That's the major issue, right? So, if we're going 28 over 28 miles per hour, like um especially for the majority is under 16. Uh you know,
the safety reason alone, it's it's going to disclude it. >> Yeah. And a lot of these they'll have they'll be under the 750 watts, but they're still a pit bike motorcycle. So, and they don't have the power, but they can still get the speed. No functional pedals, so they're still qualified as the EMDC.
>> I'm I'm thinking of my own. I have a I have an electronic cargo bike that I use and it has the the motor specifically says peak wattage 750 but it's really a 500 watt motor that like can you know if you put if you I don't know exactly when
it decides to give me 750 watts and when it when it just does its normal 500. So I just was curious if that's uh so when it says 750 watts is that include peak? So like if my bike had a 1000 watt peak
but really was a 500 watt motor, would that be considered a >> it's so it's the capability of the wattage. So if it said that it was capable of a th00and Yeah. you'd be above the state statute of the 750. So >> okay, >> 750 is that maximum. If it says 750, you're good.
>> Okay. >> But if it goes to 751, now you're outside that state law. >> Okay. Yeah. I just didn't know if there was any difference between peak versus what what it standard gives you versus peak. It's it's capability. We ran into that with a couple of different brands >> where they were being sold as one thing,
but they could be unblocked for a while. So, >> so a lot of times like um it's the Super 73s, they're very common brand. Um when they first came out, they had the app um once that started becoming illegal in many different states. Uh that ended up
being cancelled for a couple of their um versions of bikes, like their model specific. But um say in California, it was declared a class 2 ebike. But that's the problem is it's one one company who's shipping it to the the nation. And
so it's not going to be the same because our laws are different. So for California, it's okay. But you come here, it's not it it'll say class 2 ebike, which is something that I think might trip up a lot of parents probably. Um, but that specifically you have to
actually check the uh the wattage, the speed and and not rely on what it actually says. >> And and how how do you check the wattage and the speed? Because those are also like stickers, right, on it or do you have like a radar gun to look how fast they're going? >> No. Yeah.
>> So, um, unfortunately radars are not the greatest thing to use on bicycles um because it just doesn't have a lot to bounce that radar back. So, we'll use LAR if we have the the opportunity. Um, so yeah, if we see something that's going way over what it should be, we're like, that should not be able to go that
fast, we can already make that stop and figure out what's going on. A lot of times it's what's published online. Most of these bikes have it published of what the actual peak wattage is. It'll say operational in this, but it has the peak of a thousand, even though they're selling it at say a 550. Well, the kids
know that they can unlock it by either cutting a wire or using the app like in California and unlock it to that higher peak wattage. And that's why the state and the police department look at it as what is the bike capable of if it was fully operational unlocked, >> if that makes sense. >> And again, most of these bikes are
actually going way faster than so it is it is so obvious to see when when you have a child going 40 260 miles per hour >> there's it's too easy. Um,
what is a moped? I I don't actually understand the diff. Like when I was growing up, uh, my family had a moped. It had a chain. It had pedals, but it was also gas powered. And so, like, when I'm trying to translate that into the new
e emoto world, like I I I just I don't know what exactly falls in moped versus motorcycle versus ebike versus emoto or whatever. So, is there an actual definition? >> There is an ARS, and forgive me, I can't quote it. Um, but it actually has it in
ARS governed under mopeds. Okay. >> When you start breaking it down, we have um an actual pamphlet that we hand out to parents that breaks everything down to be like, okay, if it has this, then it's a moped. If it's this, it's an ebike. If it's this, it's an EMDC. If it's this, it's just a straightup motorcycle. >> Um, so forgive me, I can't quote it, but
it is actually an ARS for a specific >> moped. And that's is is that available on on the on the Scottsdale uh police website to like break it down? Not not that pamphlet because I know there's the pamphlet that that >> the breakdown should be on Scottsdale police website. Um and if you want to
see the true verbiage from ARS, you can just go to the legislature website and search for it. >> Okay. Um, I just want to uh I just want to say like in the past few years I've definitely seen a difference between like you mentioned towards the end of
your presentation that you're seeing a lot more of the younger kids riding these in the road and that has matched my experience. I spend a lot of time on the shared use path riding my bicycle for all the reasons that Susan mentioned. Um, and they used I used to
see the kids on there riding their emotos, going really fast, doing all that. And now I'm like, "Oh, it's much nicer to be on the path." And I just see them at the stop lightss and they just take off and, you know, I'm like, "Well, they're going to get but at least they're not bothering me, I guess, is
uh, but that I so I'm I'm so that that that my my anecdotal also matches what you you've been seeing. Well, and as a as a valleywide, um, everybody isn't coming to the same plate at the same time. So, while we might be heavy-handed
with Gilbert and trying to take care of this and get in front of it so that, you know, we don't have a negative outcome, other agencies might not be at that level and be able to give that same service. Okay. >> Um, so Scottsdale's been really good about trying to get ahead of it,
educate, um, try to get in the schools. I mean, we've personally been to seminars. We've we've stopped and educated hundreds of kids and their parents. And >> it it is one of those things where if we go to our homes outside of city, you're
talking groups of 20 to 30 kids on ebikes in a pack. So, we definitely have it much better um working here, but uh we wish that it was also um kind of flowing over >> and we started out um on the multi-use
path. That's because it was the issue where we first saw it. We did a lot of heavy education and a lot of heavy enforcement along the multi-use path. So between especially between the Vinda districts and coming down south here around downtown and we would even take
our side by side off-road vehicles and actually drive the multi-use path. So we were very very visible and we had red and blues and we would stop them and I guess they figured that they can't outrun a can so it's bigger and faster. But um they would stop when they'd stop
for us, we do the education. If it was necessary, we do the enforcement. And I think that really put us on the radar for okay, like we're not going to try to do it in certain places because that's where we are and they see us because we're we're visible and we're deterrent. So that was that was the goal for that
portion. And we have parents who are um who are sadly uh being cited, having their children be cited, and yet we're still seeing them those same kids with the same parents having those same bikes. So,
>> um, and the fi final question I have is, uh, uh, during Susan's presentation, she talked about how on the, uh, canal pass and those are federal, there's no, uh, there there's no electronic vehicles allowed on there. Um, who's responsible
for the enforcement? Does Scottsdale if it falls within Scottsdale even though it's not Scottsdale property do does Scottsdale enforce that or are we just relying on the property owners the PE or SRP or whoever who whose jurisdiction
does that fall under what what enforcement is being done there? >> So the technical answer is it falls under the federal jurisdiction. Now it goes through Scots because it's not Scots the land. It's federal land right? So it's the same thing if I'm going out to say the reservation. I can't enforce my laws on the reservation land. Little
different, but best example I have ordering Scottsdale. >> We can assist with that, but they're they're the ones that have final say and how they want enforcement done, what charges they want to apply, that whole thing. So um we we focus on the city
parks, we focus on the city streets with our motors and that sort of thing. um the canal with with their entity. I don't remember them specifically reaching out to our unit. >> Um so we we did talk um a little bit to them and um what we're finding is every
time we've gone there, we haven't specifically seen that. Um what we'll find is either illegal fishing or a vehicle that's not even supposed to be there. Um, but we haven't actually come across any to my knowledge of Usually it'll be outside of there or on the
roadway, but as far as actually in there, I have never personally seen any. >> Yeah. One of the in working with their their security, their their charging entities. So, I think we've come across one or two of them on the canal roughly around the Camelback area right there to the north. Um, and we've seen certain
things going on like illegal fishing, that sort of thing, and they're not even doing their own enforcement. So, trying to communicate with them about what they want us to do. We don't want to cross over and do something that they don't want being done because you've got that working relationship, right? So, it's it's a work in progress, but they
haven't really reached out to we we have like three different emails for our unit. And I cannot tell you that I've seen any specific requests come from them to do enforcement past what has been going on within our city. Um, that's not to say that it hasn't happened with another entity or a
sergeant lieutenant or something like that in the agency. It's just that for us, we haven't been really brought into that side of the enforcement game for for Scottell right now. >> Okay. >> That specific side though, um, just north of Camelback where the canal is, um, it's it's really easy if you were to
see somebody though, a lot of times you can just follow them and then they're back in Scottsdale. So if enforcement needed to be taken and we were to find somebody, you just wait a little bit and then they'll be doing something illegal in our city. So >> Okay, >> that again can be kind of worked around.
>> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Um and then uh I have a couple of questions for the for our transportation uh representatives. Uh does is this all combined or are we >> That works for me.
>> Okay. Uh so thank thank you for all that. Um, when for the speed study on our roads, I I think you you've told you you've told me before we don't hard and fast stick to the 85 percentile for like setting
speed limits and things like that, but uh so when you're looking at maybe possibly putting a speed limit on our multi-use pass and like you're like, "Yeah, you know, most people are going 13.1 miles per hour." Uh are you looking at what the 85th percentile speeds are
or are you just looking at kind of what the average is or the median uh speeds are or how like or we are you not even at that point where you're kind of thinking about speed limits? >> Vice Chair Cardella and Commissioner
Kofell, >> we were starting from ground zero, right? We didn't know what kind of speeds we had out there averages. We just wanted to start getting some averages and see if we could identify a problem. And so far we want to collect
more information, but >> right now from what we've observed and we got a good amount of ebikes that we observed as well as manual bikes and you saw the average speed that we saw. So I think we still want to collect more information because we saw that average be lower than
what Tempe just put out for a speed limit on a multis path of 15 miles an hour. we see that we might not have necessarily a problem needing to be corrected, at least certainly not need to be corrected immediately. So, we feel the chance to
take some more time and collect more data. >> Okay. Yeah. I just know I'm normally about 16 17 miles an hour when I'm on there. So, for selfish reasons, I'm just curious uh what what you're thinking about. We saw a good amount of 16 and 17 for manual bikes and then a good amount of slower than that as the average
indicates. >> Yeah. Okay. Um and then uh oh uh just curious on the green belt, you know, you're talking about path widening. Um, and I'm not really sure
when you're going to get to it, but that that part of the the part of the green belt, the multi-use path that's like just above McCormack Parkway. So, you you know, it kind of goes under past the uh horses or you go through the golf course and then you go up and then
McCormack Parkway. Um, you know, that part of the path is very narrow. There's a lot of weird turns and ups and downs and stuff like that. is that that that is part of the green belt, right? Is that going to be widened or is that going to be the responsibility of like
the HOA that's there or I was just curious uh if you know what the plans are for for that section of the green belt? And then as far as wayfinding also it's when I'm on the green belt that's the part that says you're on the Maricopa Trail and then I never see another sign
about the Maropa Trail after that. So um you know Yeah. So I was just curious about that as well. >> Vice Chair Cardella, Commissioner Kofile, that is part of the main public path. Um the next section will be closer
to Hayden and farther between there and the 101. That section just north of McCormack Parkway isn't in the upcoming phase, but that would be on a future future phase. We want to replace the
concrete, make it wider, change the alignment in um where needed. So, um I want we we do have a slide later on Nathan's updates that'll show you the map a little bit better, but yeah, the Maricopa Trail, if if you're seeing
those signs, then yes, you are on the city's path up there. And um we're looking at what kind of signage needs to be up in that area as well. >> Okay. Yeah. The other thing on that on that particular pathway is when it rains or they run their sprinklers, it gets a
little hairy to to ride on it at any kind of speed to on a wheeled vehicle. So, okay, that's all my questions. Thank you everybody. >> Thank you. >> Sure. Baker.
>> Uh I I must say I really feel for you not being able to go after the perpetrators like that and that um you know the parents you said you go to the parents and then you see the same kids out there. Um can you I mean are you
allowed to find the parents for their children's actions? Yes, that is one of our newer laws um that we have actually been able to use and that's why getting the contact information for those kids is one of the number one priorities for
us. We never make contact with anyone under that's a minor and don't advise their parents or hand them off to their parents. So, in the beginning, we were trying to just have the parents come talk to us, educate them, and let them on their way. But at this point, um,
it's such a danger to them and we've moved past that. So, they're getting impound fee for 20 days. They're getting um insurance. Uh, they don't have registration. They don't have a license.
So, ultimately, a lot of these children who are about 15, 16, they're not going to be able to get a car. And so we were trying to promote that as like would you rather have a car or an ebike? So
>> consequences, right? Consequences. Yeah. >> So um in in those cases, are the kids still going out there and violating the laws? >> There are a rare few that have done it more than twice. >> Um but we we do have those specific
ones. But the good thing is we do know them. We know where they live. And it is just more of a common thing that everybody is aware. So, >> okay. And I'm sorry. So, are you So, then you are able to find the parents for their their children. >> Yes. >> But they're still going out and
violating it again. >> Yes. >> Boy, can't say much for those parents, huh? Um, Susan, I had one quick question for you. uh on your presentation when you were talking about the signage, you had it looked there looked like
there was a picture of like a portable sign or or a temporary sign on the sidewalk. And I'm I'm sure that's not where your signs are. Um have you I don't know how hard it would go be to go
back to that to your presentation. >> Vice Chair Cardella, Commissioner Baker, that was on slide number 13. Um that was during the installation. Sorry uh to give um confusing images. That was while
they were installing. So that A-frame yellow sign right that that was just to it was like not a closure of the path while the installation was going on. But those were put out with cones um at each location where the signs were being >> installed. Just that middle picture is
the temporary sign. >> Correct. Those were just to warn path users that workers are ahead. Um because we didn't want to close the path. We just wanted to make sure as they move um south to north with all their tools and equipment and signs that people would be
able to see that and slow down. So yeah, that's not a a sign that was that we use otherwise. >> Okay. So the and the permanent signs are the ones on the bottom slide. Correct. >> Uh that's correct. And in the photo you can see that they just finished putting
one green sign up. That's pretty high up. And they're still installing another green one. Probably back to back signage. >> Okay. So, it's not just the signs on the bottom there. There. >> That's correct. There's those are just the signs that relate to path rules and regulations, those yellow ones, but a
lot of the wayfinding signage was green signs giving you distance to destinations and and that type of information. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you, Commissioner Pankitz. Um well thank you for your presentation
and your service. I have a question for you. I think you mentioned you have issued three citations when you gave your statistics. >> So those statistics were >> it was it was more of if there's a citation without a report. So, the ones
that had the report in it, which were the 90, I think it was 90 four, and those actually had a report with it, that are also going to be having that citation. It's just it came up as an actual report was taken. Not
all of them probably have a citation, but the majority of those do. It's just more was done at that time. the ones that only got a citation, didn't have their bikes impounded, and were just released to their parents, those are those ones. >> Okay. >> Yeah.
>> Um, has staff taken taken these cases to court? I'm curious if you know this is all new, if it has kind of worked out through that system or if they've been dismissed. Um, initially, uh, I think it was a little,
uh, hesitancy because we were in the education phase. So, if we did choose to site somebody, it was something that we were, you know, that a lot of times the youth will come in and they're well represented, have nice clothes on, and, you know, they're appearing in court for the first time and representing
themselves. And, uh, a lot of times the judges will uh, feel for that. And so, um, mainly the insurance one is a, uh, it's >> mandatory. >> Yeah, it's mandatory. So, there's no way to really get out of that. Um, so
there's certain things that maybe there might be leniency on, but when it comes to the specifically the EMDC's that go up to 60, at this point, there's no uh, leniency on those. >> Okay. And what is the fine for not carrying insurance? I believe it's
$1,000. >> Okay. >> Thank you, >> Commissioner Davis. >> Thank you very much for the presentation. It was very informative and for your time. Um, you mentioned I guess understanding that most of the issues are with uh, you know, teens
riding on roads. Have there been many accidents or injuries as a result of this? >> Yes. Uh, we have had several. Um, one even hit an Amazon truck that was parked. So, it's you have riders that
either they've never ridden a motorcycle before because they don't have endorsements. They don't learn those things. They're also riding an offhighway vehicle on asphalts. And if you're not a motorcycle rider, you don't understand the way they handle different. Um, so we have had issues with that already. Um, not as much as
some other cities as my understanding. Um, but it is it has been an issue here and there throughout. Um, I think the biggest one is the people in the district, right? >> Yeah. 94th in Belder was also a a very bad one, but it was more of a the slow rider was the one left behind. And a lot of times these riders, they don't know
the the laws of the road. They don't understand that when it just hits a red >> that they don't have time to get across that. And so that in this case is what happened. But uh Phoenix Children's Hospital is usually where those children go. And a lot of them have been
critical. >> Okay. Thank you. And then I had one question for Susan. Um, I think it was on one of the first or second slides you had that was talking about the the current rules regarding ebike usage. It mentioned no ebikes on roads 40 miles per hour or
greater listed speed. And I was a little surprised by that because I know that we have bike lanes on on roads uh at that speed. I I would think if a manual bike could go on them, an ebike would be allowed as well. Maybe you could talk through the logic behind that one. Uh, Vice Chair Cardella,
Commissioner Davis, I think that's on slide 11. If we back up two more where it was very wordheavy, and this one always confuses me, but it's that second line there. Allows class one and two electric bicycles and scooters on paths
and sidewalks 17-9, but they are prohibited on streets with 40 mph speed limits or greater. If I'm remembering that portion correctly, I think some of that was based on feedback from the
transportation commission back when these regulations were being drafted in I think it was instead of creating a sidewalk law that you can't ride either direction on either side of the road.
This was the compromise to that. But we do have roads that are 40 um mile and 45 mile hour and 50 speed limits. So, how does that work for transportation? I don't know how much that's enforced. I don't part of the
discussion that I recall from back then was especially with scooters with small wheels is even if you're riding in a bicycle lane along those roads that asphalt could be more uneven than a sidewalk or a path
and you're adjacent to the fastmoving vehicles. So some of it was related to that but I don't know. I'd have to go back and research it more to understand it. Um because every road is not 35 mile per hour road that has bike lanes on it.
>> Very good. Thank you. >> Or less. Thank you, >> Commissioner Marman. Do you have any questions? >> Uh it was a good presentation and I have no additional questions. Thank you. >> Thank you. I just had one question. So you mentioned that at schools the security guards can say, "Yep, I know
that kid." So, and then similarly in neighborhoods, can neighbors say, "I know who that kid is." Do you go to their house then to do that education piece or how does that work if someone reports it, but you aren't physically pulling someone over? >> Yes. So, we we have a fantastic
neighborhood assistance with um a lot of these things because the neighborhoods will call in the HOAs if they're cutting through. I know there was one out in the Beinda district out near 132nd Street where they were having a dad actually go out with his kids in the actual desert landscaping north of
their neighborhood um that we ended up having to put some cameras on. Uh the neighborhood was actually the one that called us, not anybody else. And we will have citizens that say, "Hey, I have camera footage from my Ring camera or whatnot." And you can see the kids either popping wheelies in it or doing
whatever they're doing. And they'll give that to us. And then as we build a case, we can actually go back and use that as evidence if we need to, especially if it's criminal. Um, civil, we can ID the bikes and see like, okay, this is a basic behavior. Um, but it's not going to go in as any type of evidence at that point. It's when you
have a criminal case, we can add that to evidence. And a lot of the neighborhoods that people with cameras, if say we had a really bad accident involving one in front of a house, we would canvas that area, see if anybody has cameras to say, "Hey, did you get behavior coming up the street?" And most of the times people are like, "Oh, we can check our
cameras." And they help us out with it. So, it's the community is doing they've been great about that. So, >> okay. Thank you. Thank you very much everyone for that. >> Thank you. Next up, we have bicycle detection and counts at traffic signals.
And we will be hearing from our senior transportation planner, Mr. Davies. Yes. Good evening, Vice Chair Cardella, members of the transportation commission. I'm Greg Davies. I'm a senior transportation planner with the transportation and infrastructure department. And to all about two wheels
tonight, isn't it? Pretty pretty cool. I'm biased to that because you all know that I'm an avid bicyclist and somebody on the commission is too, but can't really say his name. No,
no, it it's a great mode. It's We're a multimotal city and uh we have to count for all modes. There's no doubt. And bicycles are a mode that uh is barnable. It's a
lighter mass and it's uh once it's on the road a vehicle that uses a roadway in bike lanes. So this presentation is on bicycle signal detection uh which is important. Uh we mentioned that word safety and uh I
think bicycle signal detection is a component of that uh realm within the traveling public. So yeah, it all begins with a bicycle. You know, I already said that. And this is Albert Einstein. Believe it or not,
he's he uh was on his bicycle and he thought of the theory of relativity, believe it or not. Yeah, that's that's that's a true fact. So, brilliant guy rides his bicycle. So, what is bicycle signal detection?
Bob, you probably know what it is. It's the detection of bicycles that signalize intersection just like a vehicle. And we'll go into that. Uh It's a system that deters bicyclists from running the red light. You'll see that we don't have a stopand go state of Arizona. Arizona is not like that. You need to when
you're riding a bicycle and you're in a bike lane, you need to adhere to the actual signal if it's red. You'll see a lot of, you know, bicyclists, you know, go through red lights, but it is important to to stop. It safely accommodates bicyclists through the
intersections with adequate green time. So with that said, it provides additional time for bicyclist once it's detected because we're talking about detection. It allows the bicyclist to travel through the intersection as the
officer stated on MDC's. They they don't they need time to and sometimes they don't have that time and something happens. So we've been at this for some time now for 13 years now. uh project we
initiated in April 2013 uh to really look at how can we accommodate bicyclist as they're traveling on our network predominantly in bicycle lanes obviously just keep that in mind the bicycle bicyclist is in a bicycle lane which is
on the roadway there's bike routes too bike routes are not bike lanes they're a system through neighborhoods that are signed bike route low volume uh facilities whereas a bike lanes on a you know more heavier or
congested possibly roadway video cameras are selected were selected as the prominent technology when we went through this whole process uh it they were all funded through the capital project through the 210% sales tax and we have a yearly account it's called
bike waste so that yearly capital project funds the bike waist uh program and detection was part of that other technologies were were looked at and we're going to go into that infrared and
radar and pedestals, push buttons. Uh the initial deployment was in 2015 for a basically a prototype of we looked at 34 intersections where we put actual detection at uh in regards to stepping
into that and determining what you know is you know is it going to work. So here's some detection technologies. So we have one push button. It's at Sweetwater and Scott Road that came in
right around 2013, believe it or not. And it might have been instigated through the city in transportation looking at how we how can we detect bicyclist? A detection pedestal with a button is is used now. It's used in other cities.
Tempe uses it. Macy uses it. We It might have been a resent request, but we just have this one. And you know it works. Uh pedestals are a technology very a minimalistic tech technology but they do work. Inductive loops we had a
lot of those. Uh and that was really our main uh system that we used for bicycle signal detection and that's called an intrusive detection. It's inside the pavement. They're loops and they detect the bicycles uh through the metal and
and they they trigger the the signal and then other detection technologies are video radar. Radar is used for emergency vehicles and it can be used for detection of vehicles and and
bicyclists. Uh that's the number two and the number three is a magnetometer. We actually we did test out that system on Puma at Via Dave Ventura and uh no go didn't didn't work real well just
wouldn't detect uh as we thought it would. And then four is the newest one which is LAR. Uh the officers talked about that using LAR. Lidar is a technology that is very prominent now. You're all familiar with Whimo. Whimos.
That's That's LAR. Whimo cars are LAR. So, it's light detection and ranging. Very very accurate, very precise. Uh, and that is number four. You can see those mounted up on that mast. It just spins around like when you see
those Whimos, it's shooting that light. I'll show you picture of it later. So, we decided on a non-intrusive technology back in 2013. Uh, video detection. That right there, that camera is a mile vision camera. Uh that's just
one brand of camera that that we've used. We've used other ones. Uh and when we deployed it in 2015 for our first 34 intersections, we used a camera called It Terrace Advantage Next. It's
similar to that, but it is a video camera. uh the safety benefits are consistently applied bicycles on once they're crossing they're detected uh and the signal uh is
calibrated to extend that green time which is critical like I said on that last bullet point precise green time allocation is provided to the bike or vehicle obviously if there's a vehicle being detected no bike more efficient uh operation of a signal so it could be
just bicyclist and it will be detected and then the light will change which is nice because when you're when you're riding and you're just all by yourself and you go up to a signal and and it detects you it's nice because it it turns green. Hey, it detected me. So,
Scottdale signal network. Here's the breakdown. We have about approximately 320 signalized intersections. Probably a little bit more by now. Uh but as you can see they're in the predominant in the the the southern portion of the city because
it's very gritted, very dense. Obviously northern Scottdale is not as dense. So you're not going to see that many, but uh that's approximate the number we have. So out of that 320, there's about 137 that have bike lanes that go to that intersection.
So that's where we want to look at detection. The bike lanes are in blue. And again in southern Scottdale, you can see the the grid system and it's very populated with bike lanes. And then up by Franklidd Wright, uh it's very a lot
of bike lanes there. There's just a lot of uh areas where that are conducive to putting in bike lanes. And we're putting in more bike lanes as we speak through our restriping program uh and widening bike lanes, buffering bike lanes. So
it's all process that we're going through right now. We've been doing that for a while. So again, I mentioned 30 or 34 intersections that we deployed video detection at. This graphic is just shows you where they're at. Again, in the southern portion of the city, that's
where they're kind of clustered, but they do spread out through the northern portion of the city. We have one at Lone Mountain and Puma. There's detection there. So that's a just a T intersection. The preserve is is right there and it's the very very top of the
slide. That's Lone Mountain. Uh, so those were the locations and those were the locations that were essentially the beta test or the or a proto or whatever you want to look at like, all right, let's test this out.
So, at an intersection, this is what we're going to see. These are intersection detection applications. Uh the MUTCD, the manual for uniform traffic control devices. 9C-7 is the symbol that's on the actual pavement is
that that bicycle signal that's right there. This this guy here. And then on the mast arm we have put some signage and that is also an MUTCD sign that that is approved which says
that this is a signal that will uh actuate you or actuate the signal if you're detected on a bicycle. To the right you're going to see the newest manual for unifying traffic control devices marking. It's it's good. It's if you were to put
it on the pavement, it'd be six feet long basic. So, uh prominent, very prominent, but it's something we need to just, you know, work through. Uh so it, you know, it's an option. It's an
option. You can go without the wording and just have that, you know, the the bicycle, but something we were talking about, something that we wanted to show you. And uh again it's an option.
So let's go to pavement marking applications. So right now we we just use paint. Uh this is is the cheapest way to put this type of insignia down in the pavement. Then there's thermoplastic which is the
middle graphic. Much more expensive but much more more hardier. Lasts a long time. Uh, and then on the right is a pavement marking tape. You can use that. Uh, it's it it does have in when it's driven over by a
vehicle, it'll it'll pinch it. It it'll pop it up a little bit. So, it's not ideal, but you know, they are it is an option for for markings, but you have to have a marking usually if you want to detect at least let the
bicyclist know. And that's going to be a discussion. How's a bicyclist know that they're detected? You know what? You know, how how do I know? So, we'll talk about that. So, this is at Osborne in 64th. This is, you know, a newer signal. It's not brand new, but as you can see,
the the uh signal or the video cameras, the green box, you'll see a little bicycle. That means that it's been calibrated to detect bicyclists. You can be in that left turn lane going southbound and and it'll detect you. or you can be in the through lane. Uh and then then there's a picture of the
camera up there uh that uh is that's an Eco Econolite actually that's that camera brand is Econolite. That was actually the first type of camera we used uh that which when we embarked upon it was the location at Civic Center
Plaza in Thomas was one of those 34 and that was in the econolite and then we went with it terrace but anyway it's a it's a fairly good camera. Mile vision is a different type of brand of camera and this is kind of the views that it gives uh when
uh vehicles or bicyclists enter an intersection. As you can see the movements there. This is this is kind of nice. This is the the the data that the mile vision camera provides. It's a nice kind of a clean
dashboard. It you know provides you know vehicle counts, pedestrian counts, bicycle counts and it you know graphs it out for you which is is nice. Then there's another one called grid smart which we use. So all the ones I'm talking about we have used. I'm not
showing you any Iteras, but they're still up and we're kind of phasing those out. So, Mile Vision uh and Grid Smart are going to be, you know, the priorities. And then I'll go into the last one, but this is a a graphic of a
grid smart uh detection graphic at an intersection. And again, you know, this is dealing with traffic engineering. And John Hong is here. He's the senior manager for traffic engineering operations. So he's well in
in tune with all this and how it gets dialed in. This is a grid smart. This is strictly turning counts for vehicles. So what we're trying to show you is how we can collect data. Data is key. We need to know where what's going on at intersections. How many vehicles,
bicyclist, pedestrians, so we can make any adjustments we need to make. And then lastly, this is we talked about it. LAR uh light detection and ranging. Uh this is a technology we're we're doing some
couple locations uh that using LAR and seeing what the outcomes are. Very efficient type of technology, accurate and it's being used, you know, obviously like I said in Whimos, uh Scottdale
Police Department's using it. So we feel you know that's going to be a promising technology that that we'll be able to use for for detection. So next steps on April 2nd uh we went
and we discussed this very presentation with the uh pass and trail subcommittee some questions were asked question was asked about the pedestal that we have at Sweet Waters Scott how that get there and I think I explained that it's just
that the city was you to to test out more than likely maybe a resident request. Obviously, we want to strive to accomplish the goal set forth in the transportation action plan. Our action plan states that we need to look at technologies that are emerging, which I
think we're doing. Uh the plan gives us our guidance and so I think we're sticking to it pretty good. We want to add new locations at existing bicycle detection network. Uh there's many locations that that could use detection bicyclist.
You know, I just pulled up Strava data the other day. Strava is a app that people use when they ride their bicycles. There's different apps out. There's a map my ride, Straa. There's all kinds of Garmin. And uh it just pulls out those locations that were where there's
high use of a roadway for for bicyclist. And it's interesting ones that pop out are 68 street via Linda Thomas actually popped out. We have bike lanes from Scottsto Road all the way uh pretty much almost to Puma. There's the frontage road, but it's just interesting to see
where bicyclists are. Uh we're going to assess the use of pavement markings and I showed you some of those applications. uh what are the most efficient cost effective at detection locations and then it's always about education educating the the public on bicycle
signal detection using social media I think uh that has been a key piece of our marketing and our our education uh our short snippets of information that we can give the public
about you know when they're in Scottdale and you're riding the network are are you going to be detected or what what what to look for? Uh we're going to analyze bicycle and pedestrian counts at at the locations with the new advanced detection technologies like LAR
and then grid smart and and mile vision. Our terrace cameras were good, but we were just struggling a little bit to to extract data and so but that's okay. It's an emerging technology. and then continued collaboration with the traffic management center which is in the north
corpyard up uh off of E Linda. They're they're the the group that calibrates the cameras and oversees the cameras and I think some of you have been up at the the the traffic management center and
we're going to do that again hopefully soon. uh you can see how it really works and that's how those detection zones are are calibrated and put in. So that's kind of a high overview of our bicycle signal detection program. Again, we've
been at it for 13 years and we made a lot of progress. Uh it kind of sat for a little bit and then here we are again. We need to really make a concerted effort to to bring it to the next level. I think that's what I'm trying to say
and I want to do that. So with that, any questions? >> Thank you, Mr. Davies. Commissioners, questions? Mr. Kofile, >> thank you for the presentation. Um I I just had two quick questions, I
guess. Uh for the video cameras they were talking about I think the last time you had the presentation I was asking how well do they do in a low light situation so like at night. Um I think last year you were like well we're still kind of looking at that. Uh do you uh do
you have more do you have a more definitive answer about how well those cameras pick up bicycles uh cyclists at at night? No, like other than the LAR, right? Because like we're talking about just the visible light, right? Because
infrared was working. Okay. I I assume LAR would work. Doesn't matter about light levels with LAR. So, it's just the visible cameras. Visible light cameras. >> Yeah. Chair Cardell and Commissioner Koftow. That's a good question. I don't
have any data. No, there is at night I there is some nuances to the camera and I think they don't I think there is issues at at night. Yeah. And and John Hong might
have some more insight on that. We haven't, you know, per se studied that and looked at, okay, you know, we haven't got I I'm me myself writing. I've had some issues. You probably have too like, oh, it detected me that time,
but it didn't tech me detect me this time. It's kind of weird. I don't know if it's reflection or what it is, but all the more reason to look at emerging technologies like LAR. LAR wouldn't have that problem, but I don't know if John has anything to say about that. But
>> yeah, excuse me. Um, Vice Chair Codella, Commissioner Cuffile, that's a very good question. Yes, we are still test um evaluating and testing that. Um,
depends on the location. Um it's also um the lighting at the intersection is also part of the uh detection the um the accuracy of the detection system except the lighter
and the infrared the veto detection when you have low lighting they tend to the accuracy tends to reduce a little bit and and I think that's that's just part of the detection system. um technology
that it has. But like Greg said, the new emerging technologies gonna help us to increase accuracy even is if it's uh sun glare or nighttime. Thank you. And then uh I just had a
question on the cost of paint versus thermoplastic. Uh you said like the paint lasts about a year. So we would need paint crews to go out every year to redo that whereas I think roads normally get repainted like
once every what is it five or 10 years or something like that right? Um so that that cost you said the thermoplastic costs about 10 times as much as paint but it also lasts up to 10 times as as long. Does that include labor in in that cost as well or is that just like the
material cost? Vice Chair Cardell and Commissioner Kofile that includes includes labor. It includes the actual application. Sure does. And you know, the city's been real real progressive on
pavement management and lately and we're redoing a lot of our roads, a lot of parking lots, but in in those cases where we're doing that, we're putting paint back down. You know, paint again is the least expensive. It can be repainted real
quick. So, it's just one of those options that we have. And as John mentioned, it all depends on the location, too. >> All right. Thank you. And just a quick comment uh for slide 11, I I appreciate using Miller Road and Thomas since
that's right by my house. Uh so I recognize that intersection although I don't think that the uh the paint on the ground is is there currently but the sign is still there. So thank you. >> Thank you other commissioners. >> Commissioner >> Commissioner Davis
>> uh thanks for the presentation. I had two questions. Um the first is I saw that you said we were phasing out inductive loops. So is that the areas that used to have or I guess would still have the the bike boxes. Was that inductive loop only? You know, park here
to get a green light. >> So, Vice Chair Cardella and Commissioner Davis. So, in the inductive loops that we had, so you mean we we never per se had bike boxes, but you mean where those inductive loops were?
>> Yeah. I I could sworn in certain areas at intersections, there was an area at the end of the bike lane where it basically would say stay here to get a green. And I didn't know if that was because of an inductive loop or some other technology. >> No, actually that was for the actual
video detection. So yeah, in some locations there was a little box around the little bicycle. Uh and that I think that was at Miller and and Thomas. Uh that was really, you know, that's was
related to the actual camera non-intrusive detection. We have no I don't think we have any more inductive loops period. Uh so it's all non non-intrusive video but I what
you're saying is we're really was related to the video detection. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And then um I remember going to the traffic management center and seeing I think it was the myo vision right display would show you how that technology recognizes that there are cars there. So clearly that's something
we're applying to, I guess, multiple intersections. Does the ability to detect a bike come along with a camera for free or is there an additional cost or calibration to enable bike detection in addition to car?
>> Vice Chair Cardell and Commissioner Davis, it comes along with the camera. You just got to calibrate the camera to, you know, include the bicyclist. But yeah, it all it's all inclusive within the in the camera unit itself. And is there a um is there a campaign, I guess,
to roll out video cameras across more intersections citywide? Vice Chair Cardella and Commissioner Davis, meaning to put more more cameras in. >> Yeah. Yeah. And the reason I ask, so I obviously you mentioned the goal, right,
is to expand ability to detect bicycles and certainly seems like the video cameras are the least most uh least intrusive way to do that. If we're rolling out that tech for other intersections for the benefit of vehicles, then we get the bike Yeah.
>> kind of along for the ride. >> Yes. Correct. Anytime we're going to put up a new camera, it's gonna it's going to be able to detect bicyclists and pedestrians. Correct. Unless John can pipe in and but yeah it's going to yeah any new locations
it's going to detect all types of modes. >> Very good. Thank you. >> And we'll collect that data. The key is the data that we can extract from that. And so that's been our goal. If Vice Chair um Cadella, Commissioner
Davids, we uh have two projects actually about to be advertised that is to have about 110 additional detection systems at the signalized intersection. So, um
we're very excited. We've been working on that and hopefully we'll advertise those two two projects soon. >> Thank you. Any other questions? Commissioners, >> Commissioner Marvin, do you have a
question? >> Yes. Thank you. Would you describe what we were looking at on the LAR slide, please? >> So, Vice Chair Cardellan and Commissioner Marman. So what you have is
there there's a there's probably a LAR unit and John, you know, if you need to, you know, jump in here, it's attached to a mast arm and it's it's it's uh radiating
light out and it's detecting vehicle vehicle vehicles in here in this intersection uh as well as pedestrians. So, it's it's bouncing light off them and it's detecting them. Uh, all these that are
red boxed as well as green box. So, uh, that's kind of what this, you know, I know it's kind of a it's almost like sci-fi really. So, that's, uh, it's real time object detection. It's like instant, you know.
So, that's what you're seeing on this graphic. >> What are the white lines? Those are the the contours when so when the light is shot out from the the actual device
it creates a logarithm that creates that contour detection line. That's the only way I think I can explain unless John you know has any more insight. >> Yep. and and it does give us the speed
of the bicyclists and vehicles very accurate actually in the high 90% um accuracy and this is one of the newer newest technology that we are deploying. We
have two locations that have this kind of technology along drink water first and second street. Okay. Thank Thank you, >> Commissioner Kofile. >> I just uh just want to comment on your
last comment, John. Um you said there's going to be 110 new things rolled out. So, is that going to bring our detection up from 34 to 144 or something like that? Is that what you're saying? >> Uh uh total detection system is about
150 something veh detection system. Yeah. very excited to hear about that. Thank you. >> And that's about half of the signalized intersection that we have in the city. >> And and commission members, keep in mind, Commissioner Koftop, that where
those bike lanes are at, you know, that's what we'll have to, you know, they'll all be multimodal detection, but yeah, if there's bike lanes there, they're going to detect some of those intersections don't have bike lanes, but they're going to detect peds and vehicles. So,
Okay, >> I'm looking forward to that data. >> Thank you, Mr. Davies. Agenda number four is projects and programs update with Mr. Doi, our senior transportation planning manager.
>> Thank you. Good evening, uh, Vice Chair Cardella, members of the transportation commission. So, I'll give my regularly scheduled update of projects and programs be about some things that we've reoccurring as well as some new items
that will come up next fiscal year. So, still under construction, we have Scottsdale, Joeax, and Dixeletta should be completed by fall of 26. So, this fall coming up, um it will be the reconstruction of the four lanes as well
as adding medians and bike lanes, uh multi-use path and landscaping. So that project will be nearing and completed coming up very shortly. Then we have Puma Road via Linda to Mcdow roadway widening. This is widening to four lanes
completed also in the fall coming up. I'm sure anybody who's living along this corridor is very excited to see that fully completed and realized since it's been two lanes for so long. This is led by SRPMIC, us in collaboration with them, um adding
bike lanes along this corridor as well, as well as digital messaging signs. So, a complete reimagining of this corridor and finally being completed coming up. Um the a path closure, wanted to identify that the path in the pink has
been closed for the next couple months as they renovate that path. We only had a temporary asphalt path there and so the the development just to the west there has closed it and they are going
to provide us a a more of our standard um multi-use path along that corridor. replacing that asphalt with our our our path system and and really finishing out that that we've had only as a temporary
path for a long time. So, we'll be closed till about middle of July if I'm remembering the uh the closure notification uh right. We do have some detour signs um indicating that path users can use
that um yellow stripe right there that we just recently finished as well as then continue along the DG path to continue their path or up Scottsdale Road. So there's other opportunities to move um and keep through the corridor. Hopefully they'll move quickly and we
can get that back and reopened in a much nicer condition. projects that are starting construction in the summer. We have the Cactus Enhanced Trail project from 96 to Franklidd Wright Boulevard, installing a
two-tier unfinished steel fence on the south side of Cactus in identified locations. Uh refresh the existing trail and stabilizing it. Um we have upcoming community field meetings on Tuesday,
June 2nd and uh from 9 to 10:30 as well as as at the church just adjacent to there with construction starting summer of 26. So revitalizing that trail and then putting that fence there to stop people from parking on the trail as well
as giving a little extra safety and security to the equestrians and and path users along Cactus. 68 Street sidewalks is finally um moving forward to construction. Um we're
finishing up some last changes to the to the design mostly for the storm water improvements that are happening along the corridor and then we will establish that new sidewalk connection from the canal up to Camelback. and um a long
time coming and very excited to stop giving you guys updates on this and say that it's completed and you guys can go walk on it because it will be starting this summer. any event path renovations like Susan
talked about. We are coming to um in the summer finishing up that McCormack Ranch sections from north and south of Vita Ventura as well as north and south of V Linda. So widening that path to 10 to 12 feet and it'll be closed for a good
portion of the summer but widening that out and much needed improvements in that area. So, a lot of a lot of improvements happening coming up in the summer. Then for design going continuing with design, the Thompson Peak Parkway bridge
over the rout pass, we're coming up on 90% designs for this bridge and we'll go as soon as possible to construct it. You can see on the overhead that it will be adding that second bridge just north of the existing bridge now to complete the
corridor and realign the roadway to what its ultimate configuration is supposed to be. That's coming as soon as we possibly can to move that forward. keeping the design and the aesthetics as similar to the existing bridge as possible while making
modifications based on cost and based on on improvements to bridge design over the last 20 years since the first bridge was built in 2000 about a 26 year gap. It's going to look slightly different and hopefully we can appease DC Ranch
with those slight aesthetic changes, but showing that we still have the character and the aesthetics of the bridge to keep with the uh designs of Thompson Peak Parkway. Thomas Road is going to start design
again in July. So, it'll hit the the caval budget in July and we'll start back again. We're pretty much far along with 95% plans. We are fedally funded now. So, we will bring ADOT into the fold. They'll have their review of it and we will continue on and hopefully
get a complete reconstruction of 56th to 73rd of the pavement. So, this will be a full depth reconstruction, a complete reconstruction of the pavement as well as a turn lane at 68th, a complete reconstruction of the 68th and Thomas intersection, ADA improvements, new
signals. So, a nice refresh to this entire corridor and making it um bring it to our standards. Some capital in some transit capital investments. We have the vehicle replacement and the citywide stop
replacements uh or improvements. Um so, the trail the trolley vehicle purchases. A couple months ago, we brought the new color scheme um to you guys, which you voted on and approved. We've been working on what kind of buses we're
going to purchase as well as those designs. So, in the next coming months, we'll bring the full design of the trolleys back for review, comments, and hopefully approval to um what the new buses will look like. It see it's likely
it'll be summer of 28 that we will get these new buses. So, a little bit of way out, but maybe we can work with Gillig, the manufacturer, to speed that up along, but working on the process of getting us 10 to 13 new buses um for our
trolley system. Then along with that, we have our bus stop replacement funds looking to um improve, expand shelters throughout the city. Right now, you can see the 2005 shelters. Um, we're looking
to modify or change what our standards for bus shelters are, give us a little bit more range. Right now, we have just one standard and then one bus shelter for Scottsdale Road of the um streetscape uh plan.
We want to see if we can bring a couple more bus stops at least into our designs and our to our manual so we can flex them in based on the rightway that we have and and just be a little bit more uh able to put shelters into different
various locations based on the pad size based on rightway needs. uh the arterial life cycle pro program prop 479 we've got three projects starting in July that will start design it is Dynamite Boulevard 56 to Puma that
will be a roadway widening project um starting just preliminary designs and the new cost estimate to make sure that we're getting the the most accurate cost estimate for how much this is going to cost that'll be about four or five years until we start really looking at
construction. So these are some long time ahead type of projects. Then we have Pinnacle Peak, Scottsdale Road, Top Pima Road, very similar situation where we're looking to widen, looking for cost estimates and new preliminary designs starting in July. And then Legacy Boulevard bridge, very similar to the
Thompson Peak Bridge where we're adding that second bridge that DC Ranch put in the first one. We're putting the second one and we have funding to look at. We have regional funding to look at and find new cost estimates for that as well. So, all three hitting the ground
and getting new project managers and starting as soon as July 1 starts. So, keep up to date on that. And then a little um preliminary look at our pavement program. I know that we had that on the agenda for this uh meeting.
They needed a little bit more time with the 10-year plan. So we and Greg very accom very nicely accommodated them by bringing that item to you guys. They will be here in June to give the full look at the 10-year plan. But what
they've done this fiscal year is a pretty extensive and pretty um a high energy amount of work. So I guess to give them a um genuine excuse is that they have been putting miles and miles of pavement down
this last fiscal year. So for the fall they put just shy of 300 mile lane miles of pavement down. In the spring they're nearing completing just over 300 miles of of pavement treatments. So about 600
miles lane miles of pavement treatments over the span of this fiscal year. everything from mill and overlays which would be cutting down a couple inches and then refilling it to our micro seals and then our PMMS and the P PMRE so the
light treatments so various ranges of treatments. Then, as you can see in the spring, we started our liquid road treatments, which is that just between a micro seal and a PMM um layering of the pavement to uh give um a little bit more
depth, a little bit more um substance to that. They will go more in depth with that. I don't want to I don't want to take their their um their I don't want to take it away from them. So, uh I'll let them explain that a
little bit more. Um but that is new for the city to start using liquid roads and we put 150 miles down in the spring. So, with that, I'll open to questions or comments or discussion on those projects. >> Commissioners, any questions or comments?
Commissioner Davies Davis, apologies. >> Nathan, um I have one question about the um the work being done on the path on Camelback or near Camelback. I think one I know it's all the way the front the on the canal. Sorry. Yeah.
>> Oh, yeah. Okay. Sorry. Do so do I remember that the that the development that was built on the east side were they supposed to put in a bridge also or am I is that wishful thinking? >> That was a discussion. Greg, if you have
more what happened to the bridge? >> Uh yes, Vice Chair Cardell and Commissioner Davis. Yes, that was part of the project that has been constructed on the east side which was Water View. They they
looked at putting a bridge. They had some conceptual designs of a bridge uh just I mean literally north of Camelback that would go across the canal. I don't think that's going to come to fruition, but it was at one point in
time considered. Uh, we had some concerns with it though. >> Okay. So, we didn't we didn't write that. I know that sometimes with development, right, we'll stipulate you have to make certain improvements. I'm assuming the work that's being done on the west side is is at the expense of a of a developer.
We did not mandate a a bridge. >> No, not my recollection, we did not ma No, we did not mandate or stipulate that bridge because again, we had some concerns with it. >> Okay, fair enough. Thank you. Commissioners, other questions?
Commissioner Marman, do you have any questions? >> Um, thank you. No, I do not. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Doy. >> Thank you. >> And with that, our final item on the agenda is transportation commission identification of future agenda items.
Do any commissioners have agenda items for our future meetings? Commissioner Kofile. Um, I would just like to uh badger your staff if it's possible to talk about I I think I've brought this up before, but
um there's no public transit that gets that can take that will take you to the uh Mcdow Mountain uh preserve. And uh you know that seems like a overlooked thing since that's such an important
part of Scottsdale's identity. And it has good mountain biking trails. It has good hiking trails. It's it's really one of our jewels and uh the only way to get there is to drive currently or if you happen to live close enough you could
walk or ride if you're within a few miles. But there is there there's just there's no public trans transit options to get there. And then also uh I think I brought it up before uh you know like when I visit Tempe their circulator runs
on the weekends. It's great. It gets me you know it's really easy to get around Tempe without that. Our circulator runs like I think what 6 to 5 or 6 to 7 or something like that Monday through Friday. Um, so again, like just I would
just generally expanding public transportation. Um, I'd really like to hear if that's something that we might be able to, you know, utilize either our our circulator or work with Valley Metro to increase uh public transportation,
especially to the McDow uh especially to McDow Mountain. That's it's just it seems like that's not fair. It's that uh you have to drive there. Thank you, Coft. Um, Chair Coft, Commissioner Kofile, um, we your chair
paths and trails. I I get used to that. So, sorry. Um, Commissioner Kofile. Um, we do have a update coming up in the fall for transit, very holistic look at transit. So, we'll be sure to incorporate those and and have responses
back definitely on the uh, weekend service and and we'll look into >> response to the meal. Fantastic. Thank you. >> Thank you. Other commissioners, Commissioner Baker, >> many years ago when I was in high
school, I took uh driver's ed and uh our instructor took us in the car to a place called Klein Avenue. This is in Hammond, Indiana. And um they had installed they told us one of the first um
roads sign systems uh stop and go lights that kept you at a constant speed. If you stayed at a constant speed, you would get green lights all the way down Klein Avenue. And I thought that was the neatest thing since sliced bread. They
said fewer accidents, save on fuel, obviously save on your brakes. uh it just seemed like a great thing to me. So, is that something we could kind of, you know, start doing a study on or something? >> Vice Chair Cadella, Commissioner Baker.
Yes, we can. So, we can certainly look into that. Thank you. >> Any other commissioners? Commissioner Murman. Mr. Chairman, thank you. Um, MAG is currently doing a transportation
study in the area north of the 101 that includes Scottsdale. Maybe we can get them in for a update and presentation on that. >> Okay. >> Yes, we are. >> Go ahead. >> I was going to say we're an active
participant in that. Greg is sitting on those meetings and discussing and so Greg if you want to. >> Yes, Vice Chair Cardell and Commissioner Marman. Yeah, that study is is ongoing. Uh Scott is a stakeholder within that study. It's the Maricopa Association of
Government's Northeast Valley Transportation Study. Uh they're doing a detailed analysis of that area and we can definitely give an update on on where they're at. making progress and
just recently we had a stakeholder meeting just to discuss some issues but yeah we'll we'll do that. >> Okay, thank you everyone and with that I will call for a motion to adjurnn.
>> So moved second >> Davis and seconded by Commissioner Kofile. All in favor say I. I >> I >> I >> opposed passes 6. Thank you everyone.