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>> Mayor Borowsky: WELCOME.
I'D LIKE T TO CALL THE JULY 1st, REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING AND WORK
STUDY SESSION TO ORDER. CITY CLERK BEN LANE, MAY WE
PLEASE HAVE A ROLL CALL. >> Clerk Lane: THANK YOU, MAYOR.
MAYOR LISA BOROWSKY. MAYOR BOROWSKY: PRESENT.
CLERK BEN LANE: VICE MAYOR MARYANN MCALLEN.
VICE MAYOR MCALLEN: PRESENT.
CLERK BEN LANE: COUNCILMEMBERS JAN DUBAUSKAS.
COUNCILMEMBER DUBAUSKAS. HERE.
CLERK BEN LANE: BARRY GRAHAM. COUNCILMEMBER GRAHAM:
HERE. CLERK BEN LANE: ADAM KWASMAN.
COUNCILMEMBER KWASMAN: HERE.
CLERK BEN LANE: KATHY LITTLEFIELD.
COUNCILMEMBER LITTLEFIELD: HERE.
CLERK BEN LANE: SOLANGE WHITEHEAD.
COUNCILMEMBER WHITEHEAD: HERE.
CLERK BEN LANE: CITY MANAGER GREG CATON.
GREG CTON:

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HERE.
CLERK BEN LANE: CITY ATTORNEY LUIS SANTAELLA.
LUIS SANTAELLA: PRESENT.
CLERK BEN LANE: CITY TREASURER SONIA ANDREWS.
SONIA ANDREWS: HERE. CLERK BEN LANE: ACTING CITY
AUDITOR LAI CLUFF. LAI CLUFF: HERE.
CLERK BEN LANE: AND THE CLERK IS PRESENT.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. >> Mayor Borowsky: THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. AND WE HAVE SCOTTSDALE POLICE
OFFICERS, SHOLAC AND LOWING, AS WELL AS SCOTTSDALE FIREFIGHTERS
DREW EDWARDS AND ERIC CLUCKER. IF ANYONE NEEDS THEIR ASSISTANCE
PLEASE LET A MEMBER OF OUR STAFF KNOW.
FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL ON
COUNCILWOMAN DUBAUSKAS.

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>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE
FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR
WHICH IT STANDS: ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH
LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> Mayor Borowsky: THANK YOU.
AND FOR THE INVOCATION, I AM PLEASED TO WELCOME PASTOR HANK
YOUNG, FROM SCOTTSDALE BIBLE CHURCH AND HE'S THE ENRICHMENT
PASTOR. WELCOME.
ARE YOU THE -- WHICH CAMPUS ARE

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YOU AT?
 THE SHEA CAMPUS. >> Mayor Borowsky: THAT'S RIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >> ABSOLUTELY.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. IF YOU WOULD -- IF YOU WOULD
LIKE, PLEASE JOIN ME IN PRAYER. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE LOVE YOU.
WE THANK YOU FOR WHO YOU ARE, OUR CREATOR, OUR SUSTAINER AND
THE GIVER OF EVERY GOOD THING. THANK YOU THAT YOU DEEPLY LOVE
EVERY PERSON IN THIS CITY. WE'RE THANKFUL THAT YOU, THE
ULTIMATE AUTHORITY WOULD ENTRUST MEN AND WOMEN WITH THE
RESPONSIBILITY TO SERVE THEIR COMMUNITY.
I THANK YOU FOR EACH MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL AND THEIR
WILLINGNESS TO SERVE AND TO

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CARRY THE WEIGHT OF LEADERSHIP
FOR THE GOOD OF THE CITY. MAY WE EACH LOOK TO JESUS AS THE
ULTIMATE EXAMPLE OF LEADERSHIP FOUND IN SERVING OTHERS.
WE THANK YOU FOR THE FREEDOMS WE ENJOY IN THIS NATION, THE
FREEDOM TO CHALLENGE AND PRESENT IDEAS IN THE WHAT I THAT DEFINE
THE GOOD AND THE JUST TOGETHER. AND GOD AS WE PREPARE FOR THE
250th ANNIVERSARY OF OUR NATION'S FOUNDING, WE'RE
ESPECIALLY MINDFUL OF HOW PRECIOUS THIS GIFT IS.
WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD PROVIDE WISDOM AND DISCERNMENT TO THESE
MATTERS TONIGHT. LORD, MAY OUR UNIFYING LOVE FOR
THE CITY AND FOR ONE ANOTHER

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BREAKTHROUGH ANY DISAGREEMENTS
OR CHALLENGES. MAY CLAIR CLARITY AND HUMILITYE
MARKERS OF OUR TIME HERE. MAY THE PEOPLE OF SCOTTSDALE
FEEL KNOWN, SEEN, AND BLESS THEIR WORKS AND COMMUNITIES SO
THEY MAY CONTINUE TO SERVE AND LOVE OTHERS AS YOU CALLED THEM.
CHRIST, I PRAY THAT YOUR NAME BE KNOWN AND MAGNIFIED.
WE PRAY THIS IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN.
 Mayor Borowsky: THANK YOU SO MUCH, PASTOR, FOR BEING HERE, WE
APPRECIATE IT. MOVING ON TO THE PAYER REPORT,
I'M THRILLED TO RECOGNIZE JULY

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IS PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH IN
SCOTTSDALE! TWO VERY IMPORTANT ITEMS IN OUR
CITY. OUR PARKS, TRAILS, COMMUNITY
CENTERS AND RECREATION PROGRAMS HELP TO MAKE SCOTTSDALE AN
EXCEPTIONAL PLACE TO LIVE. THEY PROMOTE HEALTH AND
WELLNESS, CONNECT NEIGHBORS, PRESERVE OUR NATURAL BEAUTY AND
PROVIDE SPACES WHERE COMMUNITY MEMBERS CAN GATHER AND THRIVE.
TODAY, WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THE DEDICATED PARKS AND RECREATION
PROFESSIONALS, OUR STAFF, WHO WORK EVERYDAY TO KEEP THESE
SPACES SAFE, WELCOMING AND

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ACCESSIBLE.
THEIR EFFORTS ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL
RESIDENTS AND VISITORS THAT ENJOY THEM THROUGHOUT
SCOTTSDALE. ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF
SCOTTSDALE, I AM PROUD TO PRESENT A PROCLAMATION THIS
EVENING, RECOGNIZING JULY OFFICIALLY AS PARKS AND
RECREATION MONTH. I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO GET
OUTSIDE -- WELL, IT'S PRETTY HOT OUT BUT, YES.
GO AT NIGHT OR EARLY IN THE MORNING.
EXPLORE OUR PARKS AND TRAILS AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE
OUTSTANDING PROGRAMS AND FACILITIES AVAILABLE THROUGHOUT
OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY. WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO
INVITE PARKS AND RECREATION

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DEPUTY DIRECTOR KEVIN MCKEE
FORWARD TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATION AND I THINK WE WILL
ALL DELIVER THAT TO YOU, IF YOU ARE SO INCLINED.
ALL RIGHT. WE CAN TAKE A PICTURE.
OH, NICK MOLINARI, OF COURSE. I DON'T KNOW WHY I DIDN'T HAVE
YOUR NAME DOWN. [ APPLAUSE ] AND STEPHANIE IS WITH US TOO. >> Mayor Borowsky: GEAR GOING TO
STAY DOWN THERE. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
NEXT WE HAVE THE EXCITING

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OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE
EMPLOYEES WITH 20 OR MORE YEARS OF SERVICE AS OF JUNE AND JULY
OF 2026. WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER
TO OUR NEW COMMUNICATIONS SENIOR DIRECTOR.
CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT, HOLLY, HOLLY PERALTA.
 THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR BOROWSKY AND
MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. PLEASED TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO
RECOGNIZE SOME EMPLOYEES WHO IS CELEBRATED SIGNIFICANT
MILESTONES WITH THE CITY OF SCOTTSDALE.
I'D LIKE TO START WITH OUR JUNE SERVICE ANNIVERSARIES AND I KNOW
WE HAVE TWO EMPLOYEES HERE WITH

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US TONIGHT.
WE HAVE WAYMAN ALLEN WHO I SAW% SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE.
HE'S HERE WITH HIS WIFE CELLO WHO IS ALSO A CITY EMPLOYEE AND
HIS SON WAYMAN II WHO WAS AMAZED THAT HIS DAD WORKED HERE 20
YEARS. LET ME START WITH A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT WAYMAN. HE STARTED IN JUNE OF 2006, A
FACILITIES HVAC TRANSITION AND LATER TRANSITIONS TO SOLID WASTE
SERVICES AND HAS BEEN AN

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IMPORTANT PART OF THEIR
SUPERVISORY TEAM. HE TOOK ON THE RESIDENTIAL
PROGRAM AND CURRENTLY LEADS THE RESIDENTIAL PROGRAM AND WE'RE SO
GLAD TO HAVE HIM HERE TONIGHT, WAYMAN IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME
UP AND WE'LL RECOGNIZE YOU. [ APPLAUSE ]
I HAVE TWO MORE EMPLOYEES TO MENTION, ATTORNEY JOE PADILLA
WHO I BELIEVE IS HERE WITH US TONIGHT.
[ APPLAUSE ] COME ON UP.
AND HIS WORK IS SO COMPLEX, I

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DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN ACCURATELY
DESCRIBE, IT BUT HE DOES A GREAT JOB WITH MAINTAINING SEVERAL
CONTRACTS IN THE CITY AND MAKING SURE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING CORRECTLY.
AND THEN IN JULY, WE HAVE A SERVICE ANNIVERSARY, OUR VERY
OWN CHIEF OF POLICE JOE LEDUC, WHO IS CELEBRATING 35 YEARS OF
SERVICE. [ APPLAUSE ]
AND I THINK TO SAY A FEW WORDS

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ABOUT OUR CHIEF, I'M GOING TO
INVITE UP ASSISTANT CHIEF RICH SLAVEN.
 Mayor Borowsky: WELCOME. [ APPLAUSE ]
 WELL, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR BOROWSKY, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL,
CITY LEADERSHIP, MEMBERS THE COMMUNITY, THANK YOU FOR
RECOGNIZING ONE OF SCOTTSDALE'S FINEST PUBLIC SERVANTS, CHIEF
JOE LEDUC. IT'S AN HONOR TO HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT OUR CHIEF AND MY DEAR
FRIEND. HE'S SERVED WITH QUIET
PROFESSIONALISM, UNWAVERING

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INTEGRITY.
HE BEGAN HIS CAREER IN THE SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN
1991, OBVIOUSLY AT THE AGE OF 7 AND A HALF.
DURING THOSE THREE AND A HALF DECADES OF SERVICE, HE HAS
SERVED IN VIRTUALLY EVERY MAJOR FUNCTION OF THE DEPARTMENT, FROM
PATROL OFFICER TO INVESTIGATOR TO TRAINER TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS
FROM DISTRICT OPERATIONS TO PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS AND
ULTIMATELY BECOMING OUR CHIEF OF POLICE.
FOR PEOPLE -- FEW PEOPLE HAVE EXPERIENCED THE ORGANIZATION
FROM LITERALLY EVERY CORNER OF THE ORGANIZATION, GIVING HIM A
UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE, MAKING HIS

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LEADERSHIP THAT MUCH STRONGER.
HE'S A GRADUATE OF THE FBI NATIONATIONAL ACADEMY.
HE'S HELPED TO BUILD AN AWARD-WINNING SERVANT LEADERSHIP
PROGRAM THAT CONTINUES TO SHAPE THE NEXT GENERATION OF LEADERS.
AS CHIEF, JOE LEADS MORE THAN 700 EMPLOYEES, SERVING 250,000
RESIDENTS NEARLY 13 MILLION VISITORS, AND UNDER HIS
LEADERSHIP SCOTTSDALE HAS REMAINED ONE THE SAFEST CITIES
IN AMERICA CONSISTENTLY RANKED IN THE TOP 5% NATIONWIDE.
HE'S GUIDED THIS DEPARTMENT

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THROUGH ONE OF THE MOST
SIGNIFICANT ORGANIZATIONAL TRANSFORMATIONS IN ITS HISTORY.
STRENGTHENING OPERATIONS, IMPROVING ACCOUNTABILITY,
EMBRACING INNOVATION AND POSITIONING THE DEPARTMENT FOR
THE FUTURE. BUT STATISTICS AND
ORGANIZATIONAL CHARTS ONLY TELL PART OF THE STORY.
THOSE OF US WHO HAVE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF SERVING ALONGSIDE
JOE KNOW THAT HIS GREATEST ACCOMPLISHMENT HAS NEVER BEEN A
PROGRAM OR RECOGNITION. IT'S BEEN THE PEOPLE THAT HE'S
INFLUENCED. JOE HAS ALWAYS BELIEVED TAKING
CARE OF PEOPLE IS THE FIRST RESPONSIBILITY OF EVERY LEADER.
HE'S CHALLENGED US TO LEAD WITH

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HUMILITY.
TO SERVE OTHERS BEFORE OURSELVES AND TO NEVER LOSE SIGHT OF WHY
WE WEAR THIS BADGE. EARLIER THIS YEAR, JOSEPHED THE
CITY OF SCOTTSDALE'S DRINK WATER LEADERSHIP AWARD FOR HIS
FEARLESS LEADERSHIP, COMMUNITY MINDED AND SELFLESS SERVICE.
IT IS A FITTING HONOR FOR SOMEONE WHOSE CAREER HAS BEEN
DEDICATED TO MAKING THE CITY SAFER AND THE ORGANIZATION
BETTER THAN HE FOUND IT. ON A PERSONAL NOTE, I'VE HAD THE
PRIVILEGE OF SERVING ALONGSIDE JOE FOR MUCH OF THOSE 35 YEARS.
I'VE WATCHED HIM LEAD IN MOMENTS

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OF CELEBRATION AND MOMENTS OF
CRISIS. I'VE WATCHED HIM MAKE DIFFICULT
DECISIONS WHEN THERE WERE NO EASY ANSWERS.
THROUGH IT ALL, ONE THING HAS NEVER CHANGED AND THAT WAS YOUR
CHARACTER. LEADERSHIP IS OFTEN MEASURED BY
TITLES AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS BUT CHARACTER IS MEASURED BY WHAT
PEOPLE SAY WHEN YOU ARE NOT IN THE ROOM.
CHIEF, I HEARD THOSE CONVERSATIONS WHEN YOU WEREN'T
IN THE ROOM FOR YEARS AND THEY ALWAYS REMAIN THE SAME.
PEOPLE TRUST YOU, RESPECT YOU AND THEY KNOW THAT YOU CARE.
CHIEF, LEDUC, YOUR LEGACY WILL

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NOT BE MEASURED BY THE POLICIES
YOU WROTE, THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHANGES YOU LEAD OR THE AWARDS
YOU RECEIVE. IT'S MEASURED BY THE HUNDREDS OF
LEADERS, YOU MENTORED AND THE THOUSANDS OF LIVES YOU TOUCHED
AND THE EXAMPLE YOU SET FOR ALL OF US WHO HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF
SERVING BESIDE YOU. SO ON BEHALF OF THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT, THE CITY OF SCOTTSDALE, I WANT TO JUST --
AND FOR ME PERSONALLY, SAY THANK YOU.
CONGRATULATIONS ON 35 REMARKABLE YEARS OF SERVICE.
MAYOR BOROWSKY, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, CITY LEADERSHIP TEAM
THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING CHIEF

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LEDUC IN THIS VERY SPECIAL WAY.
I CAN'T THINK OF ANYONE WHO IS MORE DESERVING OF THE KEY TO THE
CITY THAN CHIEF LEDUC. CONGRATULATIONS.
 Mayor Borowsky: LET'S ALL GO TAKE A PICTURE WITH THESE
WONDERFUL EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF SCOTTSDALE.
[ APPLAUSE ] >> Mayor Borowsky: ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU ALL. CONGRATULATIONS AND I SHOULD
HAVE -- I NEGLECTED TO MENTION, I HAVE A SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT,
PSA. I WANT TO WISH COUNCILWOMAN
McALLEN HAPPY BIRTHDAY. YEAH.
[ APPLAUSE ]

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YEAH, WE SHOULD SING.
I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT A SINGER.
 Vice Mayor McAllen: THAT'S OKAY.
I CAN ADMIT IT. 62 LAST FRIDAY.
THANK YOU. I WANTED TO MENTION TO HOLLY,
LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, CONGRATULATIONS, BUT I WOULD
LIKE TO SEE -- AND I THINK THE COUNCIL WOULD ALSO, IN THE
FUTURE TO HAVE THE RETIREES WOULD RECENTLY RETIRED AT THE
SAME TIME, SINCE THAT'S THE ULTIMATE AMOUNT OF TIME WITH THE
CITY ALSO RECOGNIZED. JUST RECENTLY THIS WEEK WE HAD
SCOTT STENSON WHO SERVED 36 YEARS IN OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT
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TRAVIS WILLIAMS, WHO WORKED IN
OUR PARKS AND RECREATION, FOLLOWED HIS MOM'S LEADERSHIP
FOR A LONG TIME, AND SHE WAS MY BOSS.
I'VE KNOWN HIM SINCE HE WAS A LITTLE KID, HE JUST GRADUATED --
GRADUATED, ISN'T THAT FUNNY? RETIRED AFTER 37 YEARS WITH THE
CITY. SO CONGRATULATIONS TO BOTH
TRAVIS AND SCOTT. [ APPLAUSE ]
 Mayor Borowsky: AND ONE FINAL CELEBRATORY ANNOUNCEMENT, IT'S
OUR KEY -- NUMBER ONE VOLUNTEER IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, JEFF
BARNES BIRTHDAY TODAY. SO LOTS OF EXCITEMENT GOING ON.
SO WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A CAKE FOR

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EVERYBODY.
MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO BUSINESS. AS IS THE CASE IN EVERY MEETING,
TONIGHT, DURING THE MEETING, THE COUNCIL MAY MAKE A MOTION TO
RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION IN THE EVENT WE NEED LEGAL ADVICE
ON ANY APPLICABLE ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
IF SO AUTHORIZED BY THE COUNCIL, THE EXECUTIVE SESSION WOULD BE
HELD IMMEDIATELY AND WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
LET'S SEE, NEITHER COUNCILMEMBERS -- THIS IS ALL
NEW, NOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE PERMITTED TO ENGAGE IN
ELECTIONEERING DURING TONIGHT'S

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MEETING.
MOVING ON TO THE MEETING MINUTE APPROVALS, I WILL ENTERTAIN A
MOTION, UNLESS THERE'S ANY REVISIONS OR REQUESTS TO
DISCUSS, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE, SPECIAL MEETING NUMBER
ONE MINUTES OF JUNE 9th, 2026. >> Vice Mayor McAllen: SO MOVED.
 Mayor Borowsy: ALL RIGHT, PLEASE INDICATE YOUR VOTE.
ON THIS EVENING'S CONSENT AGENDA, WE HAVE ITEMS 1 THROUGH
20. DO MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL HAVE
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT

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AGENDA OR WISH TO MOVE ANY OF
THE ITEMS TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? I KNOW WE HAVE A CONFLICT.
COUNCILWOMAN DUBAUSKAS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPAND ON THAT?
 Councilmember Dubauskas: YES, I HAVE, OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF
CAUTION, I HAVE A CONFLICT WITH CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 10.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND
TAKE A VOTE ON ITEMS 1 THROUGH 9, AND 11 THROUGH 20.
 Clerk Lane: MAYOR, I

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APOLOGIZE.
WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT. >> Mayor Borowsky: WE DO.
FIRST WE WILL START WITH PATTY -- PATRICIA BADENOCH AND
THAT'S ON ITEM NUMBER 12. >> GOOD EVENING, PATTY BADENOCH,
50-YEAR RESIDENT OF SCOTTSDALE. I KNOW THE GARAGE IS A DONE
DEAL, HOWEVER, NOTABLE SPEAKERS

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IN FAVOR, DON'T CARE ABOUT THE
TOWN'S HISTORICAL FEATURE WITH THIS GARAGE.
I QUESTION THE SELECTION PROCESS OF CHASE.
THE ARGUMENT, STATING OF ITS EFFICIENCY FACTOR SHOULD NOT
HAVE BEEN A SELLING POINT, IF PRESERVATION OF THE WEST'S MOST
WESTERN TOWN IS HONORED AND IT STILL IS, AMONG MANY OF OUR
CITIZENS AND THE TOURISTS. SO MUCH FOR THE CITIZENS, WHO
ARE NEGLECTED AND IGNORED BY THOUSANDS OF SIGNATURED SELECTED
BY STEVE SUTTON FOR A CURRENT

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REVIEW ON THE PARKING NEEDS, I
BELIEVE THE MAYOR ALSO REQUESTED THIS.
INDEPENDENTLY, I VISITED MOST OF THE SHOPS TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK
AND COLLECTED NAMES, PHONE NUMBERS AND EMAILS WHO DID NOT
WANT THE GARAGE BUILT. SO WHAT ARE WE GETTING?
A NICE LOOKING GARAGE, WHICH IS A PRECAST COOKIE CUTTER OFF-SITE
RENDER TO CRANE IN AND SLAB INTO PLACE.
YES, EFFICIENT, BUT EFFICIENCY SHOULD NOT BE A DECIDING FACTOR
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PRESERVATION OF THE HISTORIC
NATURE IS STILL OF GREATER INTEREST.
SO WHAT DO WE HAVE AGAIN? A GARAGE COMPLETELY OUT OF
PLACE, FOR PROBABLY SETTING THE TONE FOR FURTHER REDEVELOPMENT.
SINCE I HAVE SOME TIME, I HAVE ABOUT 50 OF THE SHOPS THAT THEY
NEVER HEARD OF THE GARAGE BEING DONE OR DIDN'T WANT IT.
AND TALKING MOSTLY ABOUT THE

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MERCHANTS BUT NOT THE PROPERTY
OWNERS. THE PROPERTY OWNERS DON'T WANT
TO HAVE THE HISTORIC VALUE BE OF A LEGAL MATTER BECAUSE THEY ARE
INTERESTED IN REDEVELOPMENT. SO I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT
LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING. THANK YOU.
 Mayor Borowsky: THANK YOU, PATTY.
NEXT, WE HAVE FRENCH THOMPSON AND JANEY WHITE AND THEN JUDE
NOW.

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>> GOOD EVENING MADAM MAYOR AND
CITY COUNCIL AND ALL THE GUESTS HERE.
I ALSO SIGNED UP FOR 10 BUT APPARENTLY WE WENT TO 11 OR 12
RIGHT AWAY. SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD
TELL YOU, AS A RETAILER, WE NEED THAT KIND OF PARKING IN OLD TOWN
SCOTTSDALE. THEY PUT A LOT OF TIME AND
ENERGY IN DESIGNING IT SO IT FITS WITH THE HISTORIC AREA.
I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYBODY COULD THINK THAT IT COULD HURT THAT
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KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF
PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING THAT IT'S GONNA BE TERRIBLE.
WELL, WHEN IT'S BUILT, GO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AGAIN BECAUSE THEY
HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY TO MAKE IT FIT IN WITH THE
HISTORICAL AREA. IT'S GONNA LOOK GREAT!
BUT RETAILERS UNDERSTAND THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE MORE PARKING
FOR WALK-IN BUSINESSES. BASICALLY OLD TOWN HAS NOW A
HUGE BASEBALL STADIUM WITH $65 MILLION SPENT TO ENLARGE IT
AND MAKE IT FOR MORE PEOPLE. NO MORE PARKING ADDED.
THEY DID $40 MILLION ON THE

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CIVIC CENTER PLAZA OUT HERE, NO
MORE PARKING ADDED. SO THEY'RE BRINGING THE -- THE
CITY IS BRINGING MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TO THIS AREA, AND YET
HAVE NEVER ADDED ANY MORE PARKING.
SO THIS IS BASICALLY JUST PLAYING CATCHUP.
THIS ISN'T GOING AHEAD AND PUTTING IN A FIFTH LANE ON THE
FREEWAY THAT NOBODY WILL USE. PEOPLE ARE GONNA USE IT.
WHEN I STARTED WORKING IN OLD TOWN SCOTTSDALE IN 1974, I
LITERALLY WAS PARKING MY CAR ON THAT PIECE OF DIRT THAT THE CITY
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THAT'S BEEN A PARKING LOT AS
LONG AS I'VE LIVED IN ARIZONA. DOING THAT, BUILDING IT WILL
HELP OLD TOWN. IT'S NOT SACRILEGE TO CATHOLIC
CHURCH. CATHOLIC CHURCHES OWN PARKING
GARAGES FOR PEOPLE TO COME WHEN THEY GO TO CHURCH.
THEY OWN 'EM. YOU KNOW, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS
THE LARGEST INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER IN AMERICA, COMMERCIAL
PROPERTY. THEY OWN ALL OF THAT PROPERTY.
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IN FACT, THAT CHURCH DOESN'T
EVEN HOLD SERVICES EXCEPT FOR MAYBE THREE TIMES A YEAR AND
MAYBE A WEDDING HERE AND THERE. IT'S GONNA BRING MORE PEOPLE,
MORE TOURISTS TO IT BY HAVING PLACES TO PARK.
SO I JUST WANT TO SAY, I'M SORRY THIS PARKING GATE EVER STARTED.
IT'S JUST -- IT'S MIND BOGGLING THAT ANYBODY WHO WASN'T A
RETAILER, DIDN'T HAVE A BUSINESS IN THIS, COME IN AND START
SAYING THEY DON'T WANT IT, WHEN THEY HAVE NO VESTED INTEREST IN
IT. THEY DON'T KNOW THEY HAVE PEOPLE
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DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO PARK, WE
WENT TO FASHION SQUARE INSTEAD, BECAUSE FASHION SQUARE HAS
PARKING. I URGE ALL OF YOU TO VOTE FOR
THIS TONIGHT. IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
AND SCOTTSDALE WILL APPRECIATE IT WHEN IT'S DONE.
THANK YOU. >> Mayor Borowsky: THANK YOU,
JAMIE WHITE. >> EXCUSE ME, HELLO, MAYOR AND
COUNCIL, I DO HAVE A QUESTION, THOUGH.
THIS IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, IS IT CONSENTED?
BECAUSE I KNOW NUMBER 10 WAS A QUESTION.
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THIS NUMBER, 212 OUR PARKING
GARAGE? >> Mayor Borowsky: JUST TO
CLARIFY, IT CAN BE ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEM AND YOU CAN STILL
SPEAK ON IT AS PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MY NAME IS
JANEY WHITE. MY FAMILY HAS OWNED RETAIL
PROPERTY IN HISTORIC OLD TOWN FOR MORE THAN 70 YEARS.
AS A LONG-TIME PROPERTY OWNER, WITH MULTIPLE RETAIL TENANTS I
CAN TELL YOU FIRSTHAND THAT HISTORIC OLD TOWN NEEDS MORE
PARKING. THE COUNCIL HAS ALREADY APPROVED
$6 MILLION FOR THE DESIGN, AND

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PRECONSTRUCTION WORK NECESSARY
TO ADD TWO LEVELS TO THE CORRAL GARAGE, YET THERE CONTINUES TO
BE A PERSISTENT EFFORT TO STAPP THE PROJECT.
IT RAISES AN OBVIOUS QUESTION WHY.
WHY SELLING THE PROPERTY FOR REDEVELOPMENT WAS CONTEMPLATED.
WITHOUT REPEATING ARGUMENTS YOU HAVE ALREADY HEARD, HERE ARE
SEVERAL REASONS THE ADDITIONAL PARKING WAS NEEDED.
THE CIVIC CENTER HAS UP TO 3,000 ATTENDEES AND TO CORRESPONDING
PARKING WAS ADDED. AND SO THE -- HERE'S AN
INTERESTING THING WE FOUND OUT

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IN THE TASK FORCE.
THE CIVIC CENTER PARKING LOT IS TOO SHORT FOR CARS TO GET IN.
I USED TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE IN THERE AND I CAN'T NOW.
THE CAR HITS THE TOP. SOMEONE MENTIONED MAYBE THEY
ADDED PAVEMENT, TO MAKE IT A LITTLE SHORTER.
SO PEOPLE WITH TRUCKS, CARS, THINGS WITH ROOF RACKS CAN'T GET
IN. AND THEN THE GIANT PUBLIC
PARKING LOTS UP ON FIFTH AVENUE, THOSE ARE 8'2" INCHES AND SO
THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE, PEOPLE THAT WOULD WANT TO PARK THIS,
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THAT HAVE BIGGER CARS AND STUFF,
BUT WE JUST FIGURED THAT OUT. THE COMMUNITY RECENTLY LOST
ACCESS TO THE IS HUNDRED SPACE HONORHEALTH PARKING LOT, NEW
RESTAURANTS AND BUSINESSES CONTINUE TO OPEN IN CIVIC CENTER
AND HISTORIC OLD TOWN WITHOUT ANY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE.
THE TASK FORCE IS THAT COLD BEERS AND CHEESEBURGERS,
SOMBRERO'S, ALL OF THOSE RESTAURANTS UP THERE IS
TYPICALLY PACKED. I THOUGHT WHY IS THAT?
I WAS RIDING MY BIKE THE OTHER DAY, LOOKING FOR HOMELESS
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NOTICED THERE'S A GIGANTIC
PARKING LOT RIGHT BEHIND THOSE PEOPLE, THOSE RESTAURANTS.
SO IT'S SO EASY. SOMEONE CAN JUST SAY, WOW, LOOK
AT ALL OF THIS PARKING, I WILL JUST EAT AT BEERS AND
CHEESEBURGERS SO, THAT'S ANOTHER DEAL.
CALLS FOR ANOTHER PARKING STUDY OR MERELY A DELAY TACTIC, THE
SAME INDIVIDUALS DEMANDING A STUDY FOR THE CORRAL GARAGE
DIDN'T INSIST ON A NORTH GARAGE. IF IT WAS TRULY ABOUT GATHERING
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APPLIED CONSISTENTLY.
THE VOTERS APPROVED IT AND BUSINESSES NEED IT, PLEASE MOVE
FORWARD AND BUILD THE GARAGE. THE GARAGE IS AMAZING.
AND TO PATTY'S SIGNATURES THAT SHE'S GATHERED.
I TALKED TO SOME OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS.
THEY WERE FREAKED OUT. THEY WERE TOLD STUFF THAT WASN'T
TRUE. THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS
GOING ON. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T PRETTY
MUCH COUNT ANY OF THAT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
 Mayor Borowsky: THANK YOU. JUDE NOW.
 GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND

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COUNCIL.
GIFORGIVE ME. I'M GONNA HAVE TO READ FROM MY
PHONE. MY NAME IS JUDE NOW.
I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER, OWNER AND VOTING MEMBER OF THE BEST
WESTERN PLUS SUN DIAL AT 7320 EAST CAMELBACK ROAD.
I ALSO LIVE IN OLD TOWN SCOTTSDALE AT 7307 EAST
MINNEZONA AVENUE. AND I HAVE THE PLEASURE AND
HONOR TO SERVE ON THE MAYOR'S DOWNTOWN TASK FORCE.
I SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT, NUMBER 12 ON THE
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CORRAL.
THE QUESTION OF WHETHER SCOTTSDALE SHOULD BUILD THIS
PARKING STRUCTURE HAS ALREADY BEEN STUDIED THROUGH THE YEARS
WITH PUBLIC OUTREACH, PLANNING AND MULTIPLE COUNCIL APPROVALS.
AT SOME POINT, GOVERNMENT HAS TO HONOR THE PROCESS IT
ESTABLISHED. BUSINESSES, RESIDENTS AND
TAXPAYERS DEPEND ON THE CITY FOLLOWING THROUGH ON DECISIONS
AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN THOROUGHLY VETTED.
REGARDING THAT PROCESS WITH

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ANOTHER PARKING STUDY AT THIS
STAGE DOESN'T PROVIDE CERTAINTY. IT SIMPLY DELAYS THE PROJECT
THAT COUNCIL HAS ALREADY APPROVED.
AS SOMEONE WHO KNOWS, WORKS AND LIVES IN OLD TOWN EVERY DAY, I
KNOW THAT RELIABLE PUBLIC PARKING IS ESSENTIAL
INFRASTRUCTURE. IT SUPPORS BUSINESSES,
VISITRS, EMPLOYEES AND THE

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CONTINUED ECONOMIC SUCCESS OF
DOWNTOWN. I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT COUNCIL
TO HONOR ITS PREVIOUS DECISIONS AND MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
THANK YOU. >> Mayor Borowsky: THANK YOU.
AND THAT'S THE LAST SPEAKER ON ITEM NUMBER 12 AND ON CONSENT
AGENDA, I'M NOT SURE WHY THESE ARE BACKWARD, BUT I'M GOING TO
GO AHEAD AND PULL ITEM NUMBER 12 BECAUSE I WANT TO VOTE AGAINST
IT, BUT I WILL VOTE ON THAT. >> Clerk Lane: I APOLOGIZE, WE
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OH, THAT'S RIGHT.
BOB PEJMAN JUST SIGNED UP. THAT'S RIGHT.
 GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
THAT WAS MY QUESTION, IS ANYBODY PULLING IT AND YOU JUST SAID
YOU'RING TO PULL IT. SO I DON'T WANT TO RELITIGATE
THIS, MANY PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN. I CAN TELL YOU THAT BY THIS
POINT, ABOUT ALMOST $6 MILLION HAS BEEN SPENT BETWEEN THE
DESIGN SERVICES AND THE PRECONSTRUCTION SERVICES.
AND WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY IS $12 MILLION TO FINISH IT.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THE FOLLOWING, TOM FRANKEL
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445, 47 PARCEL OWNERS THAT WERE
IN THE AREA. THEY ARE THE REAL STAKE OLDERS,S
BY THE WAY, NOT THE PEOPLE WHO GO TO THE FARMERS MARKET.
THE CIVIC CENTER HAS BEEN REPURPOSED TO HAVE 3,000 PEOPLE
IN THE AMPHITHEATER ALONE WITHOUT ADDING ONE SINGLE
PARKING SPOT AND WE LOST THE HONORHEALTH PARKING LOT, 100
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BEEN REPURPOSED FOR GROWTH.
IT MEANS FOR BUSINESSES AND MORE RESTAURANTS.
PINION IS A GREAT RESTAURANT. IT NE NEEDS PARKING.
BUCCODEBEPO. THERE'S ANOTHER MAJOR RESTAURANT
COMING TO THE CIVIC CENTER AND THERE'S ANOTHER MAJOR RESTAURANT
NOT TO BE NAMED WITHIN A LOCK. THE AREA IS GOING TO DRAW A LOT
MORE PEOPLE. I MEAN, THE FACT THAT THE OLD
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WHICH NEEDS PARKING AND THEY ARE
GOING TO BE CHARGED MONEY FOR FAKE SPACES AND THE ARGUMENT IS
MADE YOU DON'T NEED PARKING IS JUST LAUGHABLE.
YOU IT'S LAUGHABLE. THE FACT THAT IT'S ON THE
SAME -- ON THE SAME NIGHT. AND THEY NEED PARKING.
THEY DON'T NEED PARKING. THEY SAY, OH, WE HAVE PLENTY OF
PARKING. THERE'S FAKE OUTRAGE BY CERTAIN
PEOPLE, NOT TO BE NAMED. YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
OH, WE NEED TO -- WE CAN'T SPEND ALL THIS MONEY WITHOUT DOING A
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THESE SAME PEOPLE DIDN'T
COMPLAIN ABOUT THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT, WHICH BY THE WAY IS ON
YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT. NOBODY PULLED IT.
ALL RIGHT? NOBODY PULLED IT.
NOBODY COMPLAINS ABOUT THAT. NOBODY SAYS, HEY, HOW ARE WE
SPENDING $15 MILLION OF GENERAL FUND MONEY WITHOUT DOING A
PARKING STUDY. IT'S FAKE OUTRAGE.
I FULLY SUPPORT THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT PARKING.
I SUPPORT THAT. I SUPPORT OURS.
IT'S FAKE OUTRAGE. IT'S SELECTIVE OUTRAGE AND WE
KNOW WHY ALL OF THIS IS BEING DONE.
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POLITICALLY.
SO LET'S CALL IT ELECTION SEASON OUTRAGE.
THANK YOU. >> Mayor Borowsky: SO WE'RE NOT
SUPPOSED TO BE ELECTIONEERING FROM THE SPEAKER OR THE DAIS,
HOWEVER, I'M GONNA WAIT TO -- I REALLY DON'T NEED TO PULL THIS.
I WANT TO COMMENT ON IT. SO BEFORE WE VOTE, I WILL DO
THAT, BUT LET'S MOVE TO CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11, WHICH IS
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>> I LOVE YOU GUYS, I'M GLAD YOU
ARE HERE. I TOO SUPPORT THE GARAGE IN THE
NORTHEAST QUADRANT. THOSE PEOPLE UP THERE NEED
PARKING TOO. BUT IT'S A REAL INTERESTING
THING IF YOU WANT TO COMPARE THE TWO GARAGES, ONE OF THEM HAS GOT
PARKING GATE ALL OVER IT AND THE OTHER ONE HAS NOTHING ON IT.
IT'S A VERY INTERESTING THING THAT ONLY SEVEN CITIZENS OF
SCOTTSDALE WERE ALLOWED TO VOTE TO BUILD A PARKING GARAGE IN THE
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55,000 PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO VOTE
ON THE BOND PROJECT. SO 55,000 PEOPLE VOTED TO HAVE
THE PARKING GARAGE AT THE CORRAL.
BUT ONLY SEVEN PEOPLE WHO ARE CITIZENS OF SCOTTSDALE WERE
ALLOWED TO VOTE TO BUILD THAT GARAGE.
THOSE SEVEN PEOPLE THAT GOT TO VOTE ARE CITY COUNCILMEMBERS.
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VOTED FOR THAT GARAGE.
I KNOW THEY NEED IT. THIS WHOLE GROUP OF CITIZENS OF
SCOTTSDALE WERE ABLE TO VOTE FOR IT AND YET THESE LITTLE TINY BIT
OF PEOPLE GET TO HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE JUST AS
EXPENSIVE, I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE'S ANOTHER MORE OUTRAGE.
OR DID THEY REALLY WANT SOMEONE TO BUILD AN APARTMENT AND GET
FEE PARKING. THIS WAS A MEETING TALKING ABOUT
BUYING THAT PROPERTY AFTER IT

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WAS APPROVED TO BE BUILT THERE'S
JUST A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT I THINK YOU GUYS THAT ARE AGAINST
IT SHOULD REALLY LOOK IN THE BACKGROUND.
WHY WAS IT REALLY AGAINST IT? IT ISN'T FOR THE BEAUTIFICATION
FOR THE HISTORICAL AREA. IT REALLY WASN'T BECAUSE IT'S
GOING TO BE SACRILEGIOUS TO A CHURCH.
IT'S BECAUSE SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUY IT AND TURN IT INTO AN
APARTMENT. THE CITY OF SCOTTSDALE DOESN'T
NEED ANOTHER DOWNTOWN APARTMENT. SO I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU,
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AGENDA, I THINK IT'S A GREAT
IDEA. JUST NOT IT ON THE CONSENT
AGENDA. GET THAT GARAGE BUILT.
THE MORE PARKING IN DOWNTOWN, THE MORE PEOPLE CAN VISIT AND
THE MORE PEOPLE CAN PARK AND MORE BUSINESSES ARE DOING
BETTER. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
 Mayor Borowsky: OKAY. THANK YOU.
CONSENT AGENDA NUMBER 20 FRENCH THOMPSON, YOU'RE UP AGAINST IF
YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AGAIN. >> ADDRESS STILL ON FILE.
LET'S DO THIS MARKETING PLAN.

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LET'S HAVE THE CITY DOING IT.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. I THINK THE CITY IS DOING A
REALLY GOOD JOB SO FAR AND I JUST LOVE KNOWING THAT THE CITY
IS ACTUALLY INVESTING TIME AND MONEY AND ENERGY INTO PAYING
ATTENTION TO OLD TOWN SCOTTSDALE.
YOU WALK THROUGH IT AND THERE'S SO MUCH DIVERSITY AND SMALL
BUSINESSES DOWN THERE. IN TWO BLOCKS THERE'S ALMOST 100
DIFFERENT SMALL BUSINESSES IN JUST TWO BLOCKS.
IT ENCOMPASSES A WHOLE HUGE AREA, OLD TOWN SCOTTSDALE, MUCH
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DOWNTOWN, BUT PUTTING IT IN THE
CITY'S HANDS VERY CAPABLE HANDS. I HAVE SEEN WHAT THEY WANTED TO
DO. I HAVE LISTENED TO WHAT THEY ARE
TALKING ABOUT DOING. I THINK IT'S A HECK OF A GOOD
THING FOR SCOTTSDALE AND I REALLY HOPE THAT NOBODY VOTES
AGAINST IT. THANK YOU.
 Mayor Borowsky: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND WE HAVE JANEY WHITE. >> HELLO, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
I'M JANEY WHITE. MY FAMILY HAS OWNED AND OPERATED
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DOWNTOWN FOR 70 YEARS.
THE PROPOSED OLD TOWN MARKETING PLAN IS STRONG IN MANY RESPECTS
BUT IT NEEDS ONE ESSENTIAL ADDITION DISTRICT-SPECIFIC
STRATEGIES THAT BOTH PROMOTE EACH DISTRICT ON ITS OWN MERITS
AND INTENTIONALLY CONNECT THEM INTO A SINGLE INTEGRATED OLD
TOWN EXPERIENCE UNIQUE TO SCOTTSDALE.
WE CAN AND SHOULD DO BOTH. ADVERTISE THE ARTS, FIFTH
AVENUE, ENTERTAINMENT AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS INDEPENDENTLY
TO THEIR IDEAL AUDIENCES WHILE ALSO MARKETING CURATED
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MOVE GUESTS ACROSS DISTRICTS IN
A SINGLE VISIT. RIGHT NOW WE'RE SEEING MORE
VISITORS BUT FEWER OF THEM ARE THE QUALIFIED HIGHER SPENDING
GUESTS THAT SUSTAIN RETAILERS GALLERIES AND SIT-DOWN
RESIDENTS. MANY ARE DRIVEN BY NIGHT LIFE
AND PARTY TOURISM. THEY OOST COUNTS BUT TOO OFTEN
THEY DON'T CONVERT TO MEANINGFUL SALES FOR THE BUSINESSES THAT
DEFINE. OUR DOWNTOWN.
WE NEED TO CAMPAIGN THAT BUY, COLLECTORS, ART BUYERS, CULINARY
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GUESTS.
CONCRETELY I ASK THE CITY TO, NUMBER ONE, DEFINE BASE LINE
DISTRICT DEMOGRAPHICS AND SPENDING PROFILES TODAY.
AND PUBLISH THE K.P.I.s, THE SPENDING POWER, THE REPEAT
VISITS AND THE OVERNIGHT STAY CONVERSION.
NUMBER TWO, FUND DISTRICT, TAILOR CREATIVE, LUXURY AND
LECTOR MESSAGING FOR ART -- FOR

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THE ARTS DISTRICT, CURATED
SHOPPING ITINERARIES FOR FIFTH AVENUE, FAMILY FRIENDING DAYTIME
PROGRAMMING FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND AN ELEVATED OLD
TOWN AFTER DARK PATHWAY THAT ROUTES NIGHT LIFE GUESTS INTO
DINING AND CULTURAL EXPERIENCE RATHER THAN ONLY BAR-CENTERED
ACTIVITIES. USE HOTELS AND RESOURCES WITH
CONCIERGE TOOLKITS AND GEOFENCED MESSAGE THAT BRING RESORT
MESSAGING FOR AFTERNOON GALLERY, DESIGN SHOW ROOMS AND DINNER
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MEASURE SUCCESS BY ECONOMIC
CONVERSION, MERCHANT SALES, AVERAGE SPEND PER VISIT AND
HOTEL TO DISTRICT CONVERSION RATE.
NOT JUST VISITOR COUNTS OR IMPRESSIONS.
HISTORIC OLD TOWN IS ONE OF THE SCOTTSDALE'S MOST VALUABLE
ASSETS BECAUSE IT'S AUTHENTIC, WALKABLE AND ROOTED IN LOCAL
BUSINESS. AS THE CITY INCREASES MARKING
INVESTMENT, THEY SHOULD PRODUCE MARKETABLE BENEFITS.
BY COMBINING INDEPENDENT DISTRICT PROMOTION WITH
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RARIES WE CAN AMPLIFY WHAT MAKES
OLD TOWN SPECIAL AND ENSURE MARKETING DOLLARS CONVERT INTO
SUBSTANTIAL OR SUSTAINABLE ECONOMIC VALUE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR CONSIDERING DISTRICT-SPECIFIC
STRATEGIES. OOPS.
SHOULD I FINISH THE SENTENCE OR --
 Mayor Borowsky: WE ALWAYS GIVE SOMEONE A FEW MORE SECONDS.
 OH, OKAY. STRATEGIES THAT WILL STRENGTHEN
OLD TOWN FOR VISITORS AND LONGSTANDING BUSINESSES ALIKE.
 Mayor Borowsky: THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING
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ONE ADDITIONAL SPEAKER ON NUMBER
20, WE HAVE BOB PEJMAN. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL
AND I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT MYSELF.
I'M PART OF THE MAYOR'S DOWNTOWN TASK FORCE AND ONE OF THE
BENEFITS OF BEING PART OF THAT TASK FORCE IS THAT I GET TO MEET
A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT DISTRICTS THAT I WOULD
NORMALLY NOT MEET OR TALK TO. AND THE AMAZING THING IS THAT
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THE DISCUSSIONS AND ALL OF THE,
YOU KNOW, WALKABOUTS AND THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, A LOT OF
PEOPLE SAY THE SAME THING, THAT VISITATION IS DOWN AND
PARTICULARLY QUALIFIED VISITATION IS DOWN.
NOW, I KNOW I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE, BUT IT KIND OF GETS
TRIVIALIZED THAT IT'S OWN ONE PERSON, IT'S ANECDOTAL, BUT I
ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO RUN A POLL, DO A SURVEY, YOU KNOW, TO
FIND -- BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE WAS COMMENT, HEY, WE HAVE
WINNERS AND LOSERS, SOME HAVE A GREAT YEAR, SOME DON'T HAVE A
GREAT YEAR AND SO IT'S MIXED. WHAT I SAW IS NOT MIXED.
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AND THE MOST INTERESTING ABOUT
MY EXPERIENCE, WAS WE DID THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, THEY ARE
ALSO COMPLAINING ABOUT THE DAYTIME TRAFFIC BEING DOWN.
I WON'T PUT THIS CHART UP AGAIN, BUT IT SHOWS THE DAYTIME TRAFFIC
PLUMMETING, IT'S PLUMMETING FOR THEM TOO.
WE WILL THOUGHT THEY'RE EATING THEIR LUNCH.
THEY'RE NOT EATING THEIR LUNCH. THIS IS NO LUNCH.
SO THEY'RE BOTH -- EVERYBODY IS SUFFERING FROM THE DAYTIME BEING
OWN. I MEAN IT'S JUST DOWN AND YOU
DON'T BELIEVE ME, DO A SURVEY. LIKE EVERY MERCHANT AND SEE WHAT
THEY TELL YOU. THE ONE THING THAT IS
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THE LAW AND HOW THE BED TAX IS
STRUCTURED, I TOLD A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE
TASK FORCE, THAT AS I SAY, WHY DOESN'T EXPERIENCE SCOTTSDALE DO
SOMETHING. WELL, THE 5% HAS BEEN TAKEN AWAY
FROM EXPERIENCE SCOTTSDALE AND NOW IT'S IN THE CITY MANAGER'S
HANDS AND NOT ONLY THAT HE INCREASED IT TO A RECORD
$2.5 MILLION AND THAT'S A RECORD NUMBER.
THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. 1.6 WILL BE USED ON ADVERTISING.
SO NOW THE KEY IS EXPERIENCE SCOTTSDALE BRINGS THE VISITORS
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HOW DO WE BRING THEM FROM THE
LUXURY HOTELS INTO THE OLD TOWN. I USED TO ADVOCATE FOR NORTH
SCOTTSDALE AND ARCADIA. I THINK THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
MISSING IN DOWNTOWN SCOTTSDALE ARE IN THOSE RESORTS.
JUST GET THEM FROM THOSE RESORTS AND THE PROBLEM IS FIXED.
AS SIMPLE AS THAT. >> Mayor Borowsky: THANK YOU.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR SPEAKERS BEFORE.
WE VOTE ON 1 THROUGH 9 AND HE 11 THROUGH 20.
I HAVEN'T BEEN IN THIS POSITION BEFORE, BEN, DO YOU WANT ME TO
PULL IT IF I'M GONNA VOTE

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AGAINST IT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA
ITEMS? >> Clerk Lane: YEAH, IT WOULD
NEED TO GET PULLED. >> Mayor Borowsky: I DON'T WANT
TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON, IT HONESTLY.
I GUESS I WILL PULL IT. AND BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO VOTE ON
NUMBER 20, I WANT TO THANK BOB PEJMAN AND JANEY WHITE FOR THEIR
HARD WORK AND JUDE NOW FOR BEING ON THE MAYOR'S TASK FORCE AND I
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IDEAS ARE COMING OUT OF THIS.
I THINK THE WHYED IDEA THAT BOD ABOUT, ON THE WALK LAST FRIDAY
IN 116 DEGREES. I HEARD SOME OTHER CREATIVE
IDEAS INCLUDING A PASSPORT TYPE THING -- NOT A PASSPORT BUT A --
I DON'T KNOW. A SCAVENGER HUNT, AND SOME OTHER
THINGS. AND WITHOUT ANY FURTHER ADO, OH,
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>> Councilmember Graham: I
WAS GOING TO SPEAK ON THE OLD TOWN GARAGE IF YOU ARE GOING TO
PULL IT. >> Mayor Borowsky: I HAVE TO.
UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE TO. DO I HAVE TO?
I GUESS I DO BECAUSE WE'RE VOTING IN A BLOCK.
SO, YES, I'M GOING TO. >> Councilmember Graham: SO
THEN I WILL WAIT BECAUSE WE WILL VOTE ON CONSENT.
 Mayor Borowsky: OKAY. WITH THAT, DO YOU HAVE A
COMMENT? >> Councilmember Whitehead: I
WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION -- MOVE TO ADOPT ITEMS 1 THROUGH 9
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>> Mayor Borowsky: 11.
-- YOU'RE RIGHT. 12 THROUGH.
 Councilmember Whitehead: SO THAT'S MY MOTION.
 Vice Mayor McAllen: I SECOND YOUR MOTION.
 Clerk Lane: MAYOR, I WANT TO MAKE SURE, ITEM 11 WAS INCLUDED
IN THAT MOTION? >> Mayor Borowsky: YEAH, IT
WAS -- WAS IT -- ITEM NUMBER -- NO.
12. >> Clerk Lane: SO THE CONFLICT
WAS ON ITEM 10 AND THEN YOU WANTED TO PULL ITEM 12.
 Mayor Borowsky: CORRECT, SO IT'S 11, AND 13 THROUGH 20.
 Councilmember Whitehead: OKAY, 11 -- SO 1 -- LET'S SEE, 1
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11 AND 10 -- WHICH ONE IS YOURS,
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 10 AND 12. THANK YOU.
 Vice Mayor McAllen: SECOND. >> Mayor Borowsky: OKAY.
PLEASE REGISTER YOUR VOTE. ALL RIGHT.
SO I WILL COMMENT BRIEFLY ON ITEM NUMBER 12, AND --
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APOLOGIZE, CAN WE DO 10 FIRST?
 Mayor Borowsky: OH, YES, BUT COUNCILWOMAN DUBAUSKAS HAS TO
EXCUSE HERSELF. ALL RIGHT.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 10 ON THE CONSENT
AGENDA ITEM. >> Councilmember Whitehead:
SECOND. >> Mayor Borowsky: ALL THOSE IN
FAVOR?

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IT'S NOT WORKING.
ARE WE GOOD? ITEM NUMBER 12, I KNOW THERE'S A
BUNCH OF HEATED DISCUSSION ON THIS.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE TO EITHER
OPPOSE IT OR ENCOURAGE IT. I KNOW EVERYONE FEELS VERY
STRONGLY ABOUT IT. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IT'S
NOT FAKE. I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY
THAT ANYONE IS BEING FAKE ABOUT ANY OF THIS.
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RESIDENT OPTIMA CAMELVIEW, I
HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN THAT AREA.
I REMAIN COMMITTED TO THE OPINION THAT THAT IS A BAD
LOCATION FOR THE GARAGE, THAT IS 100 PACES AWAY, MY PACES, 100
AND I DON'T WALK THAT BIG OF STEPS FROM A 700 SPACE GARAGE AT
THE CIVIC CENTER. I REMAIN VERY COMMITTED TO
OPPOSITION OF THIS. A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE
COME UP ALL THE TIME, THE BOND 2019, THE VOTERS DID NOT
APPEAR -- APPROVE THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION.
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TOWN.
THAT'S A FALSEHOOD. AT LEAST THAT'S NOT MY
INTERPRETATION OF IT. I THINK IT'S A TERRIBLE
LOCATION. IT'S GONNA BRING HUGE DISRUPTION
TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND TO THE BUSINESSES IN THAT AREA AND
THE FARMER'S MARKET, WHICH PEOPLE HAVE GROWN AND LOVED AND
SPENT A BIG PART OF YOUR LIVES THERE.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE BEST USE OF THAT.
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BRINGS ACTIVITY AND ACTIVATES
THAT AREA AND THEREFORE BUSINESS TO THE AREA, HOWEVER, I'M GLAD
THEY FOUND AN ALTERNATE LOCATION, IF WE COULD GET A
CHANGE ON THIS PARKING GARAGE. BRINGING FOR PEOPLE TO THIS
PARKING GARAGE, TRAFFIC IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS NOT THE
BEST PLAN. WE ARE ALL ENTITLED TO OUR
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I DON'T THINK -- I DON'T THINK
IT'S FAIR TO SAY ONE OPINION IS WRONG AND ONE IS RIGHT.
IT'S, YOU KNOW -- I KNOW WE ARE ALL PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.
I CAN TELL YOU ANECDOTALLY BEFORE WE WALKED ON FRIDAY LAST
WEEK, WE WERE MEETING AT 5:00 OVER AT JUDE NOW'S SUN DIAL
RESORT, RIGHT, HOTEL. I WENT OVER TO DRIVE THROUGH OLD
TOWN. I TOOK A VIDEO -- I SHOULD HAVE
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REALLY IMPORTANT, I GUESS AT
THIS POINT IN TIME. AT 4:30 IN THE AFTERNOON, THERE
WERE SO MANY PARKING SPACES RIGHT IN FRONT OF MISSION, RIGHT
IN FRONT OF THE -- THE -- ALL THE BUSINESSES DOWN, THERE THE
PARKING GARAGE WAS COMPLETELY EMPTY, I MEAN IF YOU SAW THAT
VIDEO, IT'S TOUGH TO SAY THAT WE NEED PARKING RIGHT THERE ON A
FRIDAY Z AFTERNOON AT 4:30. NOT ONLY BUSINESSES ARE OPEN AND
HAPPY HOUR IS GOING ON, WOULD YOU THINK THERE'S A LOT OF
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WITH THAT, I WILL VOTE AGAINST
THAT -- THAT CONTRACT, THAT'S SUBJECT TO ITEM NUMBER 12, AND I
WILL TURN IT OVER TO COUNCILMAN GRAHAM, WHO ALSO HAS SOME
COMMENTS. >> Councilmember Graham:
THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS IS -- I -- YOU KNOW, I --
THIS VOTE IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT AND INCREDIBLY SIMPLE.
THINK THINK ANYBODY WHO VOTES AGAINST THIS, VOTES AGAINST
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I THINK THAT THOSE VOTERS TOLD
US THEY WANTED MORE OLD TOWN PARKING.
IN THE PACKET IT SAID -- NOT TO RELITIGATE, THIS WAS ONE OF THE
OPTIONS. ALL THE PEOPLE, ALL THE
OPPONENTS DETRACTORS FROM THE ANTI-PARKING GROUP, THEY HAVE
HAD A YEAR AND A HALF LONGER -- MANY YEARS GIVE US AN ALTERNATE
LOCATION. THEY REFUSE TO DO THAT BECAUSE
THERE AREN'T ANY. WE JUST, ON A CONSENT WE JUST
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GARAGE IN THE BAR DISTRICT IN
THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT, LIKE FRENCH THOMPSON SAID, THAT WAS
VOTED ON BY 7 PEOPLE, NOT 37,000, RIGHT, FRENCH?
THE OUTRAGE IS PURE SELECTIVE. THEY WANT A STUDY FOR THE OLD
TOWN PARKING GARAGE, BUT NE A WORD FOR THE NORTHEAST PARKING
GARAGE. THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY
ABOUT THAT. THEY ARE UPSET ABOUT THE COST
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NOT A SINGLE WORD.
THE HEAD GOES RIGHT INTO THE SAND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE
NORTHEAST QUADRANT PARKING. THEY ARE UPSET ABOUT WHAT MAY
HAPPEN WITH THIS AND THAT, NOT A SINGLE THING.
THE OUTRAGE IS PURE SELECTIVE AND PURE PERFORMATIVE AND WE
TOLD US ABOUT WHAT WE FOUND OUT, A BEHIND-THE-SCENES EFFORT TO
USE A ZONING LOOPHOLE TO SELL THIS -- THIS PARCEL -- TO SELL
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DEVELOPER AND REPLACE IT AND WE
WOULD LOSE YOUR PARKING. THE MAYOR TALKED ABOUT --
RECENTALLY ANECDOTALLY, THE SPOTS WERE WIDE OPEN.
SHE SAID RIGHT BEFORE THAT, IT WAS 116 IN JUNE.
YOU DON'T BUILD PARKING FOR ALL THE TIME YOU.
YOU BUILD PARKING FOR WHEN YOU NEED IT.
WE'VE BEEN ELIMINATING THE PARKING FOR YEARS.
WE GOT RID OF HUNDREDS OF SPOTS FROM THE SCOTTSDALE STADIUM AND
CHIPPING AWAY PARKING. THERE'S AN ANTICAR, ANTI-PARKING
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VALUE OF THE SPACE IN THE WHOLE
AREA AND OF. AND FOR THE FIRST TIME IN
DECADES THIS COUNCIL IS FINALLY ADDING PARKING.
WE WANT YOU PEOPLE TO COME TO OLD TOWN AND FEEL COMFORTABLE
THEY CAN FIND A SPOT TO PARK. WE JUST SUPERCHARGED AND
SUPERSIZED THE CIVIC CENTER, VOTERS TOLD US TO DO THAT IN THE
BOND ELECTION SPEND $30 MILLION DOING THAT.
A LOT MORE CAPACITY. A LOT MORE EVENTS.
HIGHER DEMAND. THIS IS GONNA SERVE THAT.
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THEY NEVER PROPOSED AN ALTERNATE
LOCATION. AND THEN THE MAYOR MENTIONED,
YOU KNOW, THE HO HORROR OF MORE TRAFFIC, AND SO I'M GOING TO
STAND WITH THE 37,000 VOTERS. I WILL STAND WITH THE LANDOWNERS
WOULD COME AND TELL US THEY WANT MORE PARKING AND ONE OTHER
ARGUMENT IS THAT WE MOVED -- WE EXPANDED THE FARMER'S MARKET
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LOT, TO A BIGGER SPACE AT THE
CIVIC CENTER AT THE -- AT THE CITY HALL PARKING LOT, THAT HAS
MORE SPACE, MORE SHADE, PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY SIT ON
GRASS, IN SHADE AND ENJOY THEMSELVES.
AND YOU KNOW THE VOTE -- ANYBODY THAT TALKS ABOUT THE FARMER'S
MARKET, THAT WAS 7-0 VOTE TO RELOCATE THE FARMERS MARKET, TO
EXPAND IT. THAT NEEDS TO BE POINTED OUT.
WITH, THAT I WILL CALL THE

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QUESTION AND THAT WE APPROVE
RESOLUTION NUMBER 13730. THANK YOU.
 Mayor Borowsky: I'M GOING TO RESPOND TO A COUPLE OF YOUR
STATEMENTS THERE, BEFORE WE DO THAT AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE
THAT -- >> Councilmember Graham:
POINT OF ORDER. I CALLED THE QUESTION.
 Mayor Borowsky: I NEED TO RESPOND TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID
BECAUSE YOU STATED A LOT OF FALSE STATEMENTS.
 Councilmember Graham: IS THERE A SECOND?
 Councilmember Dubauskas: SECO ND.
 Councilmember Graham: YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER MADAM MAYOR.
 Mayor Borowsky: YOU WILL TALK

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TO LUIS, CALLING THE QUESTION,
WE DIDN'T HAVE FULL DEBATE, COUNCILWOMAN WHITEHEAD HAS BEEN
ON THE BOARD AND SHE HAS NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
AND WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO HEAR WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY,
COUNCILMAN GRAHAM? >> City Atty. Santaella: SO
MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, TECHNICALLY CALLING THE
QUESTION, T MEANS YOU HAVE TO VOTE.
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SORRY.
SO CALLING THE QUESTION DOES END DEBATE AND THE COUNCIL WOULD
NEED TO VOTE. THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO DECIDE
AGAINST COUNCILMEMBER GRAHAM'S MOTION OR AS IT CHOOSES --
 Councilmember Graham: YOU KNOW, I WILL WITHDRAWAL MY CALL
THE QUESTION, AND MY MOTION. >> Councilmember Whitehead:
SECOND. I WILL SECOND IT.
 Mayor Borowsky: AND I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCILWOMAN WHITEHEAD
HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WITHOUT
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OUT TWO IS REALLY IMPORTANT
THINGS -- WELL, THREE REALLY IMPORTANT THINGS.
FIRST, IT'S BEEN SAID BY A SPEAKER AND COUNCILMAN GRAHAM
THAT THERE WAS A DEVELOPER INTERESTED IN PUTTING
HIGH-DENSITY HOUSING OR APARTMENTS THERE.
THAT IS A FLAT OUT LIE AND I'M CERTAIN BECAUSE GREG CATON OUR
CITY MANAGER WAS IN THOSE MEETINGS, AS WAS COUNCILMAN
KWASMAN, THAT -- THAT THE CITY MANAGER DID NOT SAY THAT,
BECAUSE IT WAS, IN FACT, ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE.
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FOR A BOUTIQUE HOTEL TO COME TO
THE AREA, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN REALLY A GREAT USE WITH
COMMERCIAL ON THE FIRST LEVEL OF THAT PARKING GARAGE, KEEPING
PARKING -- ALLOCATING PARKING TO THE COMMUNITY.
PUBLIC PARKING WITH SIX LUXURY CONDOS ON TOP.
SO I WANT TO CLEAR UP THAT -- THAT MISUNDERSTANDING.
IN TERMS OF WHY I DIDN'T OPPOSE THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT PARKING,
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I DON'T GENERALLY OPPOSE
PARKING -- I DON'T OPPOSE IT JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO OPPOSE
IT. THAT'S A GREAT LOCATION.
THERE'S NO REAL PARKING OVER THERE.
PARKING GARAGE. SO I THINK THAT'S A FABULOUS
LOCATION. SO I FULLY SUPPORT IT.
AND ULTIMATELY, I THINK ALL OF THIS DIALOGUE AND DIATRIBE BOILS
DOWN TO THE FACT THAT WE REALLY SHOULD UPDATE A PARKING STUDY.
I THINK THAT WOULD COST US VERY LITTLE.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO FIND OURSELVES IN THIS CONVERSATION
AGAIN, AND YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEADS NO, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND
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I THINK IT'S JUST HELPFUL TO ALL
OF THE PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, SEE IT DIFFERENTLY.
SO NON NONETHELESS, I THINK IT'A GOOD USE OF TIME AND FUNDS,
MINIMAL FUNDS TO FIND OUT WHERE WE REALLY STAND.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THAT, AND DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK?
 Councilmember Whitehead: YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO
ANY SECOND. WE'VE HAD PASSIONATE DEBATES FOR
A YEAR AND A HALF. ME, I HAVE BEEN DEBATING THIS
MUCH LONGER, SINCE I HAVE WANTED THE PARKING STUDY SINCE 201.
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I WAS ON THIS WHEN WE APPROVED
THE BOND PARKING. THEY APPROVED PARKING IN OLD
TOWN AND THEY DIDN'T APPROVE THE SPECIFIC LOCATION.
REGARDLESS THE OTHER JOB WE HAVE IS TO ACCEPT THE MAJORITY VOTE.
AND THE MAJORITY VOTE HAS REPEATEDLY MOVED THIS GARAGE
FORWARD. IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON.
I'M SUPPORTING IT AND I'M SURE IT -- YOU KNOW, SO BOTH SIDES
WERE PASSIONATE, BOTH SIDES WERE RIGHT.
AND SO VILLAINIZING ONE SIDE OR ANOTHER IS JUST UNACCEPTABLE.
 Mayor Borowsky: THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, LET'S GO AHEAD
AND TAKE A VOTE ON ITEM NUMBER

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12.
 MOVING ON TO THE THE REGULAR AGENDA, WHICH IS ITEM 21.
IT'S OLD TOWN TAVERN. IT WAS THE ONE THERE WAS A
CONFLICT ON. SO I'M GOING TO LET YOU GO
AHEAD. THANK YOU.
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RIGHT?
 STEINKE. >> Mayor Borowsky: STEINKE,
SENIOR PLANNER. THANK YOU, MAYOR BOROWSKY, CASEY
STEINKE, SCOTTSDALE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, HERE FOR OLD TOWN
TAVERN. TWO CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, A
BAR, LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, IN LIEU PARKING AND THEN A
RECOMMENDATION OF A LIQUOR LICENSE TO THE STATE.
HERE'S A LOOK AT THE SITE. IT IS JUST EAST OF BROWN AVENUE
IN OLD TOWN WHERE MAIN STREET INTERSECTS WITH THE CIVIC CENTER
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IS COMMERCIAL C.-2 WITH THE
DOWNTOWN OVERLAY. FOR MANY OF YOU THAT ARE
FAMILIAR WITH THE OLD TOWN SAVET THE OLD, THE APPLICANTS ARE
LOOKING TO MOVE THEIR OPERATION TO THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR, THAT
IS HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE. THEY ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING A
RESTAURANT OUT OF THE WESTERN SUITE IN THIS ONE.
AND THEY ARE LOOKING TO ADD A BAR WITH LIVE ENTERTAINMENT ON
THE EAST AND WE'LL GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THOSE MOMENTARILY.
SO THE ACTION REQUESTED BY THE

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APPLICANT IS TO ADOPT
RESOLUTIONS FOR A BAR USE PERMIT, A LIVE ENTERTAINMENT USE
PERMIT, IN LIEU PARKING CREDITS AND THEN TO ALSO FORWARD THAT
RECOMMENDATION FOR A SERIES SIX LIQUOR LICENSE TO THE STATE ON
THIS ROUGHLY 6,000 SQUARE FOOT SITE.
HERE'S A LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN. YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS ON THE
LEFT. IMPORTANTLY, THAT LINE DOWN THE
MIDDLE, THAT RED LINE IS AN EXISTING WALL THAT SEPARATES
THESE TWO SUITES. THEY WERE ALWAYS TWO SUITES AND
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OPERATING AS A RESTAURANT.
THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO APPLY A LIVE ENTERTAINMENT CONDITIONAL
USE PERMIT ACROSS THE ENTIRETY OF THIS, BUT A BAR CONDITIONAL
USE PERMIT ONLY ON THE EASTERN HALF.
JUST BRIEFLY ON THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, A COUPLE OF
STIPULATIONS. THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE
SPEAKERS ON THE EXTERIOR THAT ARE -- THEY COULD NOT MITIGATE
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COMMUNITY.
THERE'S NO RESIDENTIALLY ZONED USES IN THE AREA.
HERE'S A -- AN EXHAUSTIVE LOOK AT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, THE
SHORT VERSION IS THE RESTAURANT PORTION WOULD REQUIRE SIX
PARKING SPACES, THE BAR PORTION WOULD REQUIRE 34, AND THAT
TOTALS 40 REQUIRED PARKING SPACES.
THIS DIFFERS FROM THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL WHICH REQUIRED 58
PARKING SPACES WHICH WAS A BAR OVER THE ENTIRETY OF THIS SITE.
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22 CREDITS WOULD BE THROUGH AN
OLD PROGRAM CALLED THE URBAN RENEWAL PROGRAM, AND THE SHORT
VERSION OF THAT IS IN THE '70s WE SOLD SOME PARCELS, AND SOME
OF THE OWNERS THAT BOUGHT THOSE CHIPPED IN TO PAY FOR A PARKING
GARAGE AND SO WE CREDIT THEM, THE SPACES AND -- THAT THEY
PURCHASED AT THE TIME FOR WHAT THE REQUIRED PARKING WAS AT THAT
TIME. IN THE PREVIOUS ITERATION THAT
WAS 15. WE HAVE SEEN NEW RESEARCH AND
DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE SHOWN THAT, IN FACT, THAT NUMBER IS 22.
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THE BIKE PARKING CREDITS ARE THE
SAME LAST TIME AT TWO AND THEY ARE REQUESTING 16 IN LIEU
CREDITS DOWN FROM THE 41 THEY WERE REQUESTING PREVIOUSLY.
THAT'S HOW THEY ARE HITTING THE PARK OF 40 PROVIDED PARKING
SPACES. HERE'S A LOOK AT SOME OF THE
STIPULATIONS I MENTIONED, LIVE ENTERTAINMENT ONES WITH THE
SPEAKERS AND THE DOORS. THEY ALSO, IN THEIR NARRATIVE
MENTIONED THAT LIVE ENTERTAINMENT GOES UNTIL 11 P.M.
AND A NEW POTENTIAL STIPULATION FOR DISCUSSION, THEY HAVE AGREED
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STIPULATION.
SO THE C.U.P., WHICH TYPICALLY RUNS WITH THE LAND AND
PERPETUITY WOULD EXIST ONLY FOR THREE YEARS UNLESS IT IS
OTHERWISE AMENDED OR RENEWED BY CITY COUNCIL BEFORE IT EXPIRES.
THIS TIME IN ITS FIRST FORM DID GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND
WAS RECOMMENDED UNANIMOUSLY FOR APPROVAL BACK IN JANUARY, AND
THEN THIS COUNCIL CONTINUED THAT CASE A MONTH LATER AND HERE WE
ARE WITH A REVISED PROPOSAL. AND THAT IS THE SYNOPSIS OF THE
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WE ALSO HAVE THE APPLICANTS HERE
TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF NECESSARY.
 Mayor Borowsky: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CASEY.
VICE MAYOR McALLEN. >> Vice Mayor McAllen: THANK
YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, CASEY FOR YOUR
PRESENTATION. AND WITH THAT I AM JUST GONNA
SAY THAT I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF OLD TOWN TAVERN.
I'M A FREQUENT VISITOR OVER THE YEARS.
I HAVE WATCHED THE ENTERTAINMENT THAT'S TAKEN PLACE THERE.
I THINK THAT IT IS A VALUED BUSINESS IN OLD TOWN, AND I
WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK THAT IN THE FUTURE, AFTER
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LOOK AT OUR -- THE WAY WE
STRUCTURE PARKING FOR RESTAURANTS TO DRAG THEM THROUGH
THIS HAS BEEN A LITTLE OUTRAGEOUS IN MY OPINION.
WITH THAT, I WILL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 13592
FOR A BAR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
DO I NEED TO READ THE WHO HE WILL THING, LUIS, OR CAN I JUST
DO THE RESOLUTION? >> City Atty. Santaella: IT
WOULD BE BETTER IF YOU READ THE WHOLE THING.
MY APOLOGIZES. NASIRIYAH THAT'S OKAY.
BAR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ON A 3,140 SQUARE FOOT PORTION OF THE
6,000 SQUARE FOOT SITE, ZONED

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CENTRAL BUSINESS DOWNTOWN
OVERLAY. ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 13593
FOR A LIVE ENTERTAINMENT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR BOTH
BAR AND RESTAURANT OF THE 6,000 SQUARE FOOT SITE, ZONED CENTRAL
BUSINESS DOWNTOWN OVERLAY, C-2 DO.
ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 13600, APPROVING A REQUEST TO
PARTICIPATE IN-LIEU OF PARKING PROGRAM FOR THE 16 PARKING
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NEW BAR WITH LIVE ENTERTAINMENT
ON A 3,140 SQUARE FOOT PORTION OF THE 6,000 SQUARE FOOT SITE,
ZONED CENTRAL BUSINESS DOWNTOWN OVERLAY, C-2 DO.
 Mayor Borowsky: OKAY. BEFORE ANYONE MOVES FURTHER, I
WILL TAKE THE TWO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
OKAY? >> Vice Mayor McAllen: I
MOTIONED IT, AND WAITING FOR A SECOND.
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DEBATE IT OR TAKE A VOTE, LET'S
HEAR FROM DAN ISHAC AND -- OH, NO.
NO. WILLIAM CHICK FIRST.
SORRY, HE WAS FIRST. I DON'T KNOW IF IT MATTERS.
IS THERE A WILLIAM CHICK HERE? DO RIGHT AHEAD, DAN.
 DAN ISHAC, ADDRESS ON RECORD. IN MY 40 PLUS YEARS OF VOTING, I
HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A CONSERVATIVE, DESPITE THE FACT THAT THREE
MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL KEEP SENDING EMAILS CLAIMING THAT I'M
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ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT, BUT
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A CONSERVATIVE. AND AL AS A CONSERVATIVE, I BELE
THAT GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO SUPPORT BUSINESSES.
THEY NEED TO GET OUT OF THE WAY AND LET LEGAL, RESPECTABLE
BUSINESSES EXIST. NOW, THERE ARE CERTAINLY SOME
BAD ACTORS AND THE CITY, THROUGH ITS ORDINANCE, AND CODE
ENFORCEMENT, MAKE SURE THAT BAD ACTORS ARE DEALT WITH.
OLD TOWN TAVERN IS NOT A BAD ACTOR.
IT'S A LONG-TERM SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS, LOVED BY THOUSANDS OF
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THE FACT THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS
MADE THEM JUMP THROUGH HOOPS FOR FIVE MONTHS IS DISGUSTING.
IT IS A VIOLATION OF ANY CONSERVATIVE VALUE.
NOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT PARKING. I'M GLAD COUNCILMEMBER MCALLEN
MENTIONED NEEDING TO REVIEW PARKING BECAUSE THE PARKING
RULES WERE PUT INTO PLACE A LONG TIME AGO.
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WE HAVE APPS FOR PEOPLE TO GET
PLACES. WE HAVE RIDE SHARE.
IN WALKING DISTANCE WITHIN OLDN- TOWN.
THEY DON'T NEED TO DRIVE. SO IT'S TIME THAT THE CITY
REVIEW PARKING REQUIREMENTS. AND ALTHOUGH BOB AND FRENCH TALK
ABOUT HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS HAVE BEEN REMOVED, THEY DON'T
TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS OCCURRED
WHERE MOST OF THE DEVELOPERS HAVE ACTUALLY ADDED MORE PARKING
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ORDER TO GET IT PAST THE
COUNCIL. AND BY THE WAY, THE REASON THAT
THIS WAS NO PARKING STUDY NEEDED FOR THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT,
BECAUSE THE LAST PARKING STUDY SAID THAT THIS WAS A NEED THERE
AND NO, BARRY, THEY DID NOT VOTE ON THAT LOCATION FOR THE
SOUTHEAST PARKING AND IT WAS NOT IN THE PAMPHLET, REGARDLESS OF
WHAT YOU SAY. REGARDLESS OF OF THE PARKING FOR
FUTURE PERMITTING, WE SHOULD REVIEW THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF A
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A BUSINESS SHOULD NOT BE HELD
HOSTAGE FOR A CHANGE OF COUNCIL OR WHIM THAT EVERY, ONE, TWO OR
THREE YEARS DEPENDING ON THEIR C.U.P.
A C.U.P. SHOULD BE EVERGREEN WITH AUTOMATIC APPROVAL, UNLESS
THERE'S REPEATED VIOLATION OF THE CONDITIONS.
THAT WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF SMALL BUSINESSES.
LAST YEAR, WE SAW ADAM AND BARRY LAUGH AS THEY THREATENED A
BUSINESS OWNER, WE'RE WATCHING YOU AND WE'RE ONLY GIVING YOU
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THAT'S NOT FRIENDLY FOR
BUSINESS. WE NEED TO CHANGE WHAT WE'RE
DOING SO THAT WE DON'T FORCE MORE BUSINESSES OUT OF
SCOTTSDALE. THANK YOU.
 Mayor Borowsky: THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
COUNCILWOMAN WHITEHEAD. [ APPLAUSE ]
 Mayor Borowsky: ALL RIGHT. LET'S KEEP OUR CLAPPING TO A
MINIMUM. >> Councilmember Whitehead:
I'M ENTHUSIASTICALLY SECONDING THIS, KEEPING OLD TOWN TAVERN
HERE ON THE CIVIC CENTER JOB. A GOVERNMENT'S JOB IS TO ENABLE
A BUSINESS TO SUCCEED, NOT TO GET IN THEIR WAY, BUT ALSO WE --
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HAVE THESE IN-FILL TYPE PROJECTS
AND THIS IS EXACTLY THAT, AND I -- I DO THINK WE'VE
SUCCESSFULLY DONE THAT HERE WITH THIS, AND I THINK WE HAD
FLEXIBILITY ON THE OLD TOWN TAVERN OWNERSHIP SIDE AND AMONG
OUR COUNCIL. SO I'M HAPPY TO SEE THIS GO
THROUGH. CONGRATULATIONS, I HOPE.
 Mayor Borowsky: ALL RIGHT. I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER COMMENTS.
WITH, THAT THAT, LET'S TAKE A V. ALL RIGHT.
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[ APPLAUSE ]
ALL RIGHT. LET'S KEEP THAT TOWN, PLEASE.
DOWN, PLEASE. OKAY.
THAT -- SO MOVING ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH IS NON-AGENDIZED
ITEM WHICH IS SCOTTSDALE BUSINESS OWNERS AND OUR
RESIDENTS TO COMMENT ON NON-AGENDIZED ITEMS THAT ARE
WITHIN THE COUNCIL'S JURISDICTION.
NO OFFICIAL COUNCIL ACTION CAN BE TAKEN ON THESE ITEMS.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON NON-AGENDIZED TOPIC, AND HAVE
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PLEASE DO SO.
SO I ONLY HAVE TWO NON-AGENDIZED PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
THE FIRST ONE IS DAN ISHAC AND THE SECOND ONE IS PATTY
BADENOCH. >> DAN ISHAC, ADDRESS STILL ON
RECORD. I WANT TO GO BACK TO SOME OF THE
ACTIONS THAT THIS COUNCIL MADE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WHEN THEY
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THE CITY NEVER HAD E., BECAUSE
I. AS A CONSERVATIVE IS OPPOSED TO E. WHICH IS ANY PREFERENTIAL
HIRING, QUOTAS OR PREFERENTIAL PROMOTION.
BUT THIS COUNCIL REMOVED ANYTHING THAT THE CITY COULD DO
THAT COULD BE CONCEIVED OR CONSTRUED TO BE DIVERSITY
RELATED. BECAUSE OF THAT, THE CITY
MANAGER SAT DOWN WITH I BELIEVE ADAM, BUT I COULD BE WRONG, AND
WENT THROUGH VARIOUS FUNDING AND REMOVED THEM.
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BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THAT'S A
NATIONAL HOLIDAY, APPARENTLY IT'S TOO BLACK AND THEREFORE WE
CAN'T SPEND MONEY ON IT. AND WE CERTAINLY CAN'T PUT A
PRIDE FLAG UP IN JUNE BECAUSE THAT'S MONEY BECAUSE WE KNOW
ADAM AND JAN HATE GAYS. SO HERE'S A QUESTION.
HOW ON EARTH WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF RELIGIOUS PLACES OF WORSHIP IN
SCOTTSDALE, WE HAVE DOZENS ON MAJOR ROADS, YET ONE IS BEING
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SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THE
OBSERVANT ORTHODOX CANNOT DRIVE, AND AS I SAID AT A PRIOR
MEETING, I RESPECT OBSERVANT RELIGIOUS PEOPLE.
I BELIEVE IT IS IMPORTANT TO THE SOCIAL FABRIC OF THE UNITED
STATES. AND I WOULD NEVER DO ANYTHING
THAT -- AND I RARELY USE THAT ABSOLUTE -- TAKE AWAY SOMEBODY'S
RIGHT TO WORSHIP. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF WE
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CROSSWALK, BASED ON A SMALL
RELIGIOUS GROUP, WE ARE VIOLATING OUR ANTI-D.E.I.
BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN NO DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER THAT
MONEY SHOULD BE SPENT AT OTHER RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS.
THERE'S BEEN NO DISCUSSION WHETHER THAT MONEY SHOULD BE
SPENT WHERE THERE'S HIGHER NUMBER OF PEDESTRIANS.
THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT THIS WOULD MAKE IT SAFER FOR THE
OBSERVANT JEWS. BUT THAT IS A VIOLATION OF OUR
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BECAUSE IT IS MAKING A DECISION
ON SPENDING $600,000 FOR A SMALL GROUP BASED ON THEIR RELIGIOUS
PRACTICES. AND SO I THINK THE COUNCIL NEEDS
TO DIRECT OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGER TO REVIEW WHETHER
THIS IS A VIOLATION BECAUSE IF WE CAN'T SPEND $19,000 ON A
JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION, BECAUSE IT'S TOO BLACK, HOW CAN WE SPEND
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ON RELIGIOUS OBSERVANCES.
THANK YOU. >> Mayor Borowsky: THANK YOU.
NEXT I HAVE -- OH. DO YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL -- GO
AHEAD. COUNCILMAN KWASMAN.
 Councilmember Kwasman: THANK YOU.
I WILL RESPOND TO THAT. THE WORDS OF THE LAST SPEAKER
ARE BENEATH CONTEMPT. I CAN SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY UP ON
THIS DAIS THAT OUR FELLOW MAN, BLACK, WHITE, OUR FELLOW MAN,
WHO IS STRAIGHT, GAY, OUR FELLOW

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MAN WHO IS CHRISTIAN, NO
RELIGION, JEWISH, THEY ARE ALL GOD'S -- MADE IN GOD'S IMAGE.
THEY ARE SOMEBODY WOULD EVERYBODY DESERVES RESPECT,
EVERYBODY DESERVES TO BE LOVED AND THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PLACE
FOR ANY TYPE OF HATE IN THAT HEART.
I AM SO UNBELIEVABLY PROUD TO HAVE GOTTEN RID OF D.E.I.
BECAUSE THERE IS ONE THING I DO HATE AND THAT'S SOCIALISM.
AND I WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT AGAINST THAT EVERY STEP OF THE
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THANK YOU.
 Mayor Borowsky: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
AND LASTLY, WE HAVE PATTY BADENOCH.
 GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, 50-YEAR RESIDENT OF
SCOTTSDALE. WHAT DO I WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT?
PROCESS, INTENT, INTEGRITY. THE 2019 BOND, WHERE THERE WERE
58 PROJECTS CLOAKED INTO THREE

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QUESTIONS THAT PASSED, 63, WHICH
WAS THE GARAGE WAS NOT A SELECT -- TO SELECT A SITE.
THERE WERE NO WRITTEN SPECIFICS ABOUT WHERE THE GARAGE SHOULD
GO. THIS BOND PASSED SEVEN YEARS
AGO. THIS COUNCIL MAJORITY RENDERED
NO ALLOWANCE FOR A CURRENT REVIEW, YUGOSLAV WHERE ELSE PARG
GARAGE COULD BE BUILT. AND YOU HAVE TO CONSUME THE
POISON PILL FOR WHICH YOU DON'T WANT IN ORDER TO GET WHAT YOU DO
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PARKING, HERE'S WHAT THE CITY
HAS DONE PRETTY MUCH IN THE PAST, AND NOT THIS SPECIFIC
CURRENT COUNCIL, BUT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.
THE CITY SOLD CITY-OWNED PUBLIC SPACES TO THE GIANTS FOR A
PRACTICE FIELD. THAT WAS ABOUT 500 PARKING
SPACES WE LOT RIGHT THERE. SOLD ADDITIONAL PARKING TO
HONORHEALTH, WENT BACK AND FORTH, AND NEXT TO THE BROWN
GARAGE. AND SOLD FURTHER PARKING SPACES
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OBVIOUSLY THE INTENT OF THE CITY
HAS BEEN TO INCREMENTALLY DISVALUE THE HISTORIC SITE.
AFTER PARTICIPATING ON THE FOUR DISTRICT WALKING TOURS SUBJECT
MATTER RELATIVE TO MARKETING. THERE WAS NOTED AGREEMENTS OF
THE CITY'S NEGLECT, NOT NOTED BUT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, THEY MOVED
THE GEORGE ANN TOGNOLI LANE WHICH WAS A FOCAL POINT OF OUR
WESTERN HERITAGE TO PROVIDE AN

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ENTRANCE TO THE CIVIC CENTER
MALL. IT WAS NOTED THAT THE PLAZA'S
PURPOSE, BESIDES ENTERTAINMENT EVENTS WOULD FURTHER COMPROMISE
THE BRICKS AND MORTAR SHOPS TO PROVIDE MORE TENT VENUES,
SELLING AND COMPETING SIMILAR THINGS DURING THE HIGHEST
TOURIST SEASON. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL OF THAT
EVALUATED AND LET'S BRING IN A HIGHER INTEREST TO KEEP THE
WEST'S MOST WESTERN TOWN OR MOVE

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IT, BUT LET'S NOT JUST MESS
AROUND WITH THIS. THANK YOU.
 Mayor Borowsky: THANK YOU, PATTY.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY CITIZEN PETITIONS.
MOVING ON TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL ITEMS.
THESE ARE OH, NOW I CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
BUT LET'S SEE. I'M GONNA START WITH ITEM 23.
I BROUGHT ALL OF THESE FORWARD. I THINK ALL THREE OF THEM ARE
MINE. SO WHEN I ATTENDED THE U.S.
MAYOR'S CONFERENCE IN LONG BEACH A COUPLE OF -- I GUESS A MONTH
OR SO AGO, REALLY OCCURRED TO ME

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THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT A
COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE IS A LARGE WATER USER
ORDINANCE. WE ALL HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION
ABOUT AXON, WHERE THE WATER, YOU KNOW, WAS POTENTIALLY AN ISSUE.
I PERSONALLY RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY
THAT WE COULD NOT REQUIRE THEM TO BRING THEIR OWN WATER.
IF WE DID, WE WOULD POTENTIALLY BE SUBJECT TO BEING SUED.
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THERE'S PLENTY OF OTHER
MUNICIPALITIES THAT DO THIS. THEY HAVE A LARGE WATER USER
ORDINANCE, AND THAT IS TO INCLUDE -- TO INCLUDE
REQUIREMENTS TO EITHER THEY SOURCE -- THIS IS AN UNKNOWN.
SO I WILL BE ASKING THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY TO
WORK ON THIS, HOPEFULLY WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE COUNCIL, TO BRING
FORWARD A WORK STUDY DISCUSSION OR AN AGENDA ITEM, IF IT DOESN'T
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MIGHT BE BETTER, BUT TO DISCUSS
REQUIRING -- REQUIRING LARGE WATER USERS TO THE TUNE OF
250,000-ACRE FEET OR MORE -- NOT ACRE FEET, I'M SORRY, GALLONS
PER YEAR OR MORE FORWARD TO DISCUSS HAVING CONSERVATION
PLAN, SOURCING POTENTIALLY AND PURCHASING THEIR OWN WATER,
HAVING, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF A CIRCULATORY SYSTEM, FOR EXAMPLE,
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FORWARD WHERE IT WOULD BE FULLY
INSULATED IN ADDITION TO SOURCING AND BURNING THEIR OWN
WATER. SO I GUESS I WILL TAKE THESE
SEPARATE, BUT THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR IN TERMS OF THE OTHER
DATA CENTER COORDINATES, POTENTIAL IDEA FOR AN ORDINANCE.
SO I WILL TAKE 'EM SEPARATE. I WILL MAKE A MOTION ON NUMBER
1, TO AGENDIZE A WORK STUDY

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DISCUSSION OR AN AGENDA ITEM ON
THE -- ON A GENERAL COUNCIL MEETING TO BRING FORWARD
OPINIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OUR CHARTER OFFICERS TO
DEAL WITH LARGE WATER USERS. >> Councilmember Whitehead:
SECOND. >> Mayor Borowsky: AND THEN
COUNCILWOMAN DUBAUSKAS HAS A COMMENT.
 Councilmember Dubauskas: SO ARE YOU DOING NUMBER ONE?
 Mayor Borowsky: NUMBER ONE, YEAH.
 Councilmember Dubauskas: I WOULD JUST -- I'M HAPPY TO
SUPPORT THAT AND I WOULD JUST REQUEST THAT THAT BE PART OF OUR
DISCUSSION WHEN WE HAVE OUR

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WATER WORKSHOP TO COME.
SO I THINK ALL OF THOSE ARE A NICE DOVETAIL TOPIC.
AND THAT WOULD APPLY, -- I ASSUME PELL DO WE WILL DO THE SG
WITH THE DATA CENTERS. >> Mayor Borowsky: OKAY.
WITH ONE CAVEAT, ON THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED AGENDA, OR
FOR A WORK STUDY OR AGENDA AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETIME IN
AUGUST, ONE OF THOSE TWO MEETINGS.
SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO BRING THAT FORWARD WITHOUT FURTHER
DELAY. BOTH THIS AND THE WATER
DISCUSSION, I THINK THAT'S A

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GREAT IDEA.
 Councilmember Dubauskas: I AS FAR AS TIMING I DON'T KNOW.
WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE AGENDA BUT --
 Mayor Borowsky: YEAH, THE NEXT AVAILABLE REGULARLY
SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETING. >> Councilmember Dubauskas: THAT
WOULD BE TOMORROW. >> Mayor Borowsky: NO, BECAUSE
IT'S TOO SOON. I WOULD SAY THE NEXT ONE THAT IS
NOT FULLY STOCKED. THE NEXT PRACTICAL, AVAILABLE
AGENDA ITEM, WHICH I THINK IS GOING TO BE IN AUGUST, BUT -- IS
THAT OKAY WITH YOU THAT WE INCLUDE THE WORK STUDY?
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AND PUT IT ON THE NEXT REGULARLY
SCHEDULED AVAILABLE AGENDA? OKAY.
WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE
QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN KWASMAN.
 Councilmember Kwasman: I'M OKAY WITH AUGUST, THAT'S FINE,
THE NEXT AVAILABLE. IF THE -- IF THE FEDS ARE GONNA
MAKE A RULING AND IT HAPPENS TO BE, LIKE, DID, IT WILL COME OUT
LIKE -- I REALLY DON'T WANT TO DO A MEETING AND THEN HAVE THE
FED RULING. CAN WE HAVE THE FED RULING AND
THEN WAIT UNTIL WHAT IS HAPPENING BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE
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THE FED RULING.
 Mayor Borowsky: SO THAT COULD BECOME A MUCH --
 Councilmember Kwasman: HOW ABOUT THIS ONE IF THE FEDS ARE
ARE GONNA DELAY, WITH HE HAVE TO HAVE IT IN THE LATE SUMMER.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A MEETING IN AUGUST AT SOME POINT, BUT
IF -- IF IT -- IF IT'S LOOKING LIKE THE FEDS AREN'T GONNA MAKE
A RULING IN AUGUST, OR BEFORE -- BEFORE THAT, LET'S GO AHEAD YOU
KNOW, I'M 100% SUPPORT OF THAT. IF WE KNOW A FED RULING IS
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WE HAVE A MEETING THE FIRST WEEK
OF AGO, CAN WE JUST DELAY IT, THE EXTRA -- WOULD YOU BE OKAY
WITH DELAYING IT THE EXTRA WEEK. >> Mayor Borowsky: WE DON'T HAVE
TO MUDDY THE WATERS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM
COMBINED. THIS IS IN A VACUUM THAT DOESN'T
INVOLVE THE REST OF THE CONVERSATION, HAVING A LARGE
WATER USER ORDINANCE THAT HAS ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR A
LARGE WATER USER. SO WE CAN DO THAT INDIVIDUALLY
AND WE CAN COMBINE IT WITH THE WATER WORK STUDY, IF IT'S GOOD
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>> Councilmember Kwasman: RIGHT.
 Mayor Borowsky: ARE WE ALL IN AGREEMENT ON THIS?
OH, CITY ATTORNEY. >> City Atty. Santaella:
MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETINGS FOR
AUGUST ARE THE 23rd AND THE 24th.
THE 24th AND 25th, EXCUSE ME.
 Mayor Borowsky: THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
SO COUNCILMAN GRAHAM. >> Councilmember Graham: I
JUST WANT TO SORT OF EXPRESS THAT THIS -- I DON'T KNOW WHEN
THE WATER WORK STUDY WE WERE GOING TO DO WAS SCHEDULED.
CAN I ASK MAYBE THE C CITY

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MANAGER, WHEN WAS THAT?
WHAT WAS THE TIME? >> City Mgr. Caton: ACTUALLY
THE CITY CLERK AND I MET TODAY TO LOOK AT SOME FALL SCHEDULING.
WHEN COUNCIL TAKES ITS BREAK, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON WHEN YOUR
FIRST MEETINGS COME UP WITH MY WORDS PROCEDURAL ITEMS AND IT
COULD BE LONG AGENDAS. WE HAD TENTATIVELY IDENTIFIED
SEPTEMBER AS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE THE
INFORMATION THAT COUNCILMAN KWASMAN WAS REFERENCING IN HIS
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SURGE.
IF YOU ARE OPEN FOR A LONG MEETING, WE WOULD BE AVAILABLE
IN AUGUST, BUT IT'S LIKELY VERY FULL AGENDAS WHEN YOU COME BACK.
 Councilmember Graham: WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY AUGUST OR
SEPTEMBER, THAT WAY WE GIVE STAFF THAT FLEXIBILITY.
AND THEN I WOULD SUPPORT IT. >> Mayor Borowsky: LISTEN, IF
YOU HAVE OUR MEETINGS FULLY SET, WHICH I DON'T THINK YOU DO, SO
THE NEXT AVAILABLE, PRACTICABLE MEETING, WHICH IS SOMETIME IN
AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER.

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OKAY.
WE ARE GOOD? SO WITH THAT, WE WILL TAKE A
VOTE. >> Mayor Borowsky: THANK YOU.
MOVING ON TO ITEM 24, THIS IS A ZONING ORDNANCE APPLYING TO DATA
CENTERS. WE COULD SEE ONE COMING WHICH
COULD EXPLORE CREATING MORE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR A DATA
CENTER IN PARTICULAR SIGNIFICANT NOISE ABATEMENT AND WATER
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CIRCULATORY SYSTEM, I FORGET THE
TERM THAT THEY USE FOR IT, WHERE IT'S FULLY INSULATED SYSTEM THAT
BRINGS THEIR OWN WATER AND -- AND MAINTAINS THEIR OWN WATER,
RECYCLES IT AND USES IT FOR COOLING DEVICES.
SO IT'S -- IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT IS POSSIBLE AND I
THINK WE SHOULD GET THAT ON THE BOOKS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE THAT COMING FORWARD WHEN AN
APPLICATION WAS COMING FORWARD AT THE SAME TIME.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO AGENDIZE -- I DON'T
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I WILL LEAVE IT UP TO STAFF, IF
THERE'S JUST A -- AN AGENDA -- AN AGENDA ITEM, THAT CAN INCLUDE
A DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEM, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY MORE
EXPEDITIOUS. SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION FOR
THAT, AND LEAVE IT DISCRETION OF STAFF AS WELL.
 Councilmember Whitehead: SECOND.
 Mayor Borowsky: OKAY. ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS
ONE? WITH THAT, WE WILL TAKE A VOTE.
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SEE US WORK ON OUR PROCESS FOR
CHARTER OFFICER EVALUATIONS AND IN PARTICULAR SALARY
DISCUSSIONS. PARDON ME WHEN I WAS ON THE
COUNCIL 2008-2010, WE DID A LOT OF ACTUAL DEBATE ON THESE
CHARTER OFFICER REVIEWS, PROBABLY MORE DIRECTED AT THE
SALARY DISCUSSIONS AND I THINK IN FURTHERANCE OF TRANSPARENCY,
AND FULL DISCLOSURE TO THE

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GENERAL PUBLIC, I DO THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT TO HAVE MEANINGFUL DISCUSSIONS WHEN IT COMES TO
SALARIES IN THE OPEN SESSION. I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO KEEPING
THE EVALUATIONS BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S AN H.R. ASPECT TO IT, OR
EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT ASPECT TO IT, BUT FOR SURE, WE'VE DONE
THIS IN THE PAST, WHERE WE HAVE MEANINGFUL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT
SALARIES. AFTER OUR RECENT CHARTER
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DECISIONS, I HAD A LOT OF
INQUIRIES AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHY DID THAT HAPPEN?
WHAT DID IT MEAN? I JUST THINK IN THE INTEREST OF
TRANSPARENCY IS AND PUBLIC INFORMATION, I THINK THAT'S A
BETTER WAY TO GO. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US -- I'M
HAPPY -- YOU KNOW, I KNOW CITY ATTORNEY, YOU CIRCULATED A MEMO.
I THINK THAT IT'S WORTHY OF GETTING AN INDEPENDENT LEGAL
OPINION ON THIS SINCE IT DOES AFFECT A CHARTER OFFICER, YOU,
THE CITY ATTORNEY. I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE SEEING
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KNOW, WHAT THE LIMITATIONS WOULD
BE. I KNOW WHAT I THINK.
I READ YOUR MEMO. I JUST THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT.
SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO BRING FORWARD SOME OPTIONS AS TO
HOW WE GO ABOUT SHEDDING TRANSPARENCY AND LIGHT ON THIS
DISCUSSION AND ALLOWING REALLY THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE INPUT TOO
AND FEEDBACK. AND BRING THAT FORWARD AS AN
AGENDA ITEM OR A WORK STUDY. ANYBODY HAVE A SECOND?
NO ONE IS GONNA SECOND?

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OH, COUNCILWOMAN LITTLEFIELD?
 Councilmember Littlefield: THANK YOU, MAYOR.
I WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS NEVER DONE IN BUSINESS.
WHEN YOU ARE EVALUATING YOUR OFFICERS IN A BUSINESS
SITUATION, AND THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT THIS IS, IS A LARGE, PUBLIC
BUSINESS. I DO NOT -- I DO NOT THINK IT'S
FOR THE WELL-BEING OF THE CITY, NOR OF THE CHARTER OFFICERS NOR,
FRANKLY OF THE COUNCIL IT WOULD BE WAY TOO EASY FOR THIS TO BE
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DOG-TYPE SITUATION, AND
RECEIVERS -- YOU KNOW -- WE NEED TO IMPROVE GOVERNMENT, YES, WE
NEED TO IMPROVE WHAT WE DO. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE OUR
DECISIONS ARE WISE AND IN ALLIANCE AND IN CONFORMITY WITH
OUR LAWS AND OUR CHARTER. BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT
OUR CHARTER OFFICERS HELP US DO. AND THEIR SALARIES ARE
COMPARATIVE TO OTHER CITIES AND OTHER OFFICERS AND I THINK THAT
IT'S A PRIVATE THING. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE
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SESSIONS AND THAT WE DISCUSS
ONE-ON-ONE WITH OUR CHARTER OFFICERS.
WE DON'T EVEN DISCUSS THEM TOGETHER.
AND I THINK IT'S INAPPROPRIATE TO DO THIS IN A PUBLIC ARENA.
THANK YOU. FOR ONE THING, WE WILL LOSE OUR
CHARTER OFFICERS. >> Mayor Borowsky: VICE MAYOR
McALLEN. >> Vice Mayor McAllen: THANK
YOU, MAYOR. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT
I -- I KIND OF AGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU.
I THINK THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE MORE TRANSPARENCY FROM
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I DO THINK CITIZENS SHOULD BE
ABLE TO SAY HOW THEY FEEL THEIR INTERACTIONS WITH OUR CHARTER
OFFICERS ARE. MAYBE WE COULD LOOK AT AN
OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE CITIZENS GIVE INPUT, NOT IN THE
EVALUATION, BUT JUST, LIKE WE DO ON ANY TYPE OF SERVICE OR
PROCESS, THAT A MONTH PRIOR, THEY COULD JUST HAVE COMMENTS IF
THEY CHOOSE, THAT WAY WE COULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION,
BECAUSE WE DON'T DEAL WITH THE CHARTER OFFICERS IN THE SAME WAY
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AND SO I SEE A LITTLE BIT OF
NEED FOR TRANSPARENCY FOR THE PUBLIC, FOR THAT ASPECT, BUT TO
EVALUATE CHARTER OFFICERS IN THE PUBLIC ARENA, I ALSO COULD SEE
WHAT COUNCILWOMAN LITTLEFIELD SAID, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT
HORRIFIC WAY FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE A VENDETTA TO BRING IT AGAINST
THOSE PEOPLE. AND YOU DON'T DO THAT IN THE
BUSINESS REALM, LIKE SHE SAID, HOWEVER, I DO SEE THE NEED FOR A
LITTLE MORE TRANSPARENCY. JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT
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>> Mayor Borowsky: THANK YOU.
AND BEFORE I CALL ON COUNCILMAN COUNCILMANKWASMAN, I THINK THE S
SHOULD BE KEPT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND I THINK THE SALARY
DISCUSSION AND THE DEBATE ABOUT -- NOT DEBATE BUT THE
DISCUSSION SHOULD BE IN THE OPEN.
GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN KWASMAN. >> Councilmember Kwasman: THANK
YOU, MADAM MAYOR, I'M NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTING THIS, I -- I --
I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, MADAM MAYOR.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS COMING FROM A BAD PLACE.
I THINK THIS IS GO TO BE VERY POLITICAL AND IT WILL ONLY
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WHERE 90% -- NO OFFENSE TO OUR
WONDERFUL CHARTER OFFICERS 90% OF SCOTTSDALE RESIDENTS HAVE NO
IDEA WHO YOU ARE. SAME WITH US.
I KNOW. I KNOW.
IT'S A GOOD THING AND I THINK THIS WILL ONLY BE USED AS SAY
SABER POLITICALLY, AND I'M NOT GONNA MENTION I JUST SAW CERTAIN
HEADS NODDING, BUT I -- I THINK THAT -- THAT THIS IS JUST NOT --
IT'S -- I WOULD SUPPORT ALONGSIDE VICE MAYOR McALLEN
IF PEOPLE WANTED TO SUBMIT, YOU

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KNOW, A COMMENT SESSION, IF WE
WANT TO HAVE A SINGLE COMMENT SESSION, BUT WE TECHNICALLY CAN
DO THAT, RIGHT? WE COME OUT AND WHEN WE HAVE OUR
FINAL VOTE ON THE SALARIES, PEOPLE CAN COME AND SPEAK TO, IT
BUT LET'S JUST BE HONEST WHEN WE DO THESE CHARTER SPECIAL
MEETINGS, NOBODY IS THIS ANYWAY, BECAUSE IT IS NOT INTERESTING TO
90% OF THE PEOPLE, BECAUSE UNLESS IT'S USED POLITICALLY,
AND IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO MAKE ONE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE ABOUT
SOMETHING AND THAT'S IT. AND SO I'M -- THIS IS -- TO ME,
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>> Mayor Borowsky: OKAY.
WELL, IT DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
CITY ATTORNEY. >> City Atty. Santaella:
MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I CONSULTED WITH MY COLLEAGUE,
MR. LANE AND CURRENTLY, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN SUBMIT WRITTEN
COMMENTS ALREADY DURING THE CHARTER OFFICER EVALUATIONS.
WHILE IT IS UNCOMMON, IT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
SO THERE IS ALREADY A SYSTEM IN PLACE MORE OR LESS FOR WHAT THE
VICE MAYOR AND THE COUNCILMAN WERE TALKING ABOUT.
 Mayor Borowsky: OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO MOVING ON LET'S TURN TO THE

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WORK STUDY SESSION WHICH
PROVIDES -- OH, COUNCILMAN GRAHAM, I'M SORRY.
 Councilmember Graham: I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD THAT
HAPPENED THIS YEAR, WE GOT A COMMENT, SOMEBODY SUBMITTED A
LETTER AND I THINK -- I THINK -- AT THOSE MEETINGS CAN THERE BE
PUBLIC COMMENT WHEN WE DO THE -- >> City Atty. Santaella:
CURRENTLY, THEY ARE NOT AGENDIZED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT,
JUST WRITTEN COMMENS. >> Councilmember Graham:
MAYBE WE COULD LOOK AT THAT OR SOMETHING.
THERE'S NO ACTION BEING TAKEN ON THIS FROM WHAT I HEAR.
SO THANK YOU.

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>> Mayor Borowsky: DIED FOR LACK
OF A SECOND. SO WORK STUDY SESSION, MOVING
RIGHT ALONG. THIS IS THE LESS FORMAL SETTING
FOR MAYOR AND COUNCIL TO DISCUSS SPECIFIC TOPICS IN THIS CASE THE
STATE LEGISLATIVE UPDATE AND PROVIDE EACH OTHER AND CITY
STAFF WITH DISCUSSION AND POTENTIAL DIRECTION.
SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO SARAH SPARMAN GOVERNMENT RELATIONS
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CUE TACK ROCK TO PRESENT.
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, GOOD EVENING MAYOR
AND COUNCIL MY NAME IS SARA SPARMAN, THE GOVERNMENT
RELATIONS MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF SCOTTSDALE.
HERE TONIGHT, I HAVE MARC OSBORN, WHO WILL GIVE YOU A
BRIEF, VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
PLEASE, I INVITE YOU TO ASK QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE IT, HE
WILL KEEP IT BRIEF. I KNOW U.S.A. IS PLAYING RIGHT
NOW AND IT'S HE WILLION. HE WILLION T. --ELIMINATION.
IT WAS A GREAT SEASON, WELL, THE LEGISLATURE SIGN DIED THE EARLY
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ALL TOLD, I THINK WE CAME OUT
FAIRLY UNSCATHED THIS YEAR, WHICH IS HELPFUL.
BUT I WILL LET MARC KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH SOME OF THOSE
HIGHLIGHTED TOPICS. >> Mayor Borowsky: THANK YOU.
 THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, FOR THE RECORD, MARC OSBORN,
WITH KUTAK ROCK. I CAN WALK YOU THROUGH THE
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YOU WANT AN ABBREVIATED -- I SEE
THE HEADS NODDING WITH THE ABBREVIATED PART.
I WILL TOUCH ON SEVEN KEY THINGS.
AND GIVEN THAT THE WORLD CUP IS GOING ON, THIS IS -- THE
LEGISLATIVE SESSION WAS KIND OF LIKE A DRAW.
WE DIDN'T SCORE A WHOLE LOT BUT WE DIDN'T LOSE EITHER.
AND THAT'S KIND OF THE THEME. THE KEY THINGS WE WORKED ON THIS
SESSION, THE BIGGEST ONE IS WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DEFENDING
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PROTECT YOUR COMMUNITY THROUGH
ZONING, DESIGN STANDARDS, THERE WERE VERY AGGRESSIVE EFFORTS TO
TRY TO STRIP CITIES OF THAT. WE WERE ABLE TO DEFEAT THOSE IN
CONJUNCTION WITH OTHER CITIES. I THINK AS I HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU
BEFORE, THE INTEREST OF DOING RADICAL ZONING AN DESIGN REVIEW
REFORM IS STARTING TO WANE. THREE YEARS AGO, IT WAS AT ITS
PEAK. EACH YEAR IT SEEMS TO DISSIPATE
AND LOCAL CONTROL SEEMS TO BE EKING BACK, BUT IT'S STILL A
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STILL A BATTLE.
SECOND THING IS WE PROTECTED LOCAL CONTROL OVER LAW
ENFORCEMENT TOOLS. THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST AS
TECHNOLOGY IS COMING ON, WHETHER IT'S FLOCK, WHETHER IT'S OTHER
TECHNOLOGIES, THERE IS ONE PART OF THE LEGISLATURE THAT SAYS IT
IT PUTS SOME REASONABLE GUIDELINES ON THESE TECHNOLOGIES
TO MAKE SURE PRIVACY AND CIVIL LIBERTIES ARE PROTECTED AND THEN
YOU HAVE A MORE RADICAL AGGRESSIVE, LET'S -- THESE
TECHNOLOGIES ARE SO DANGEROUS

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THAT WE DON'T WANT TO USE 'EM,
AND SO WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THAT ISSUE.
AND JUST IN THE SOCCER ANALOGY, AT THE END OF THE GAME, WAS A
DRAW. NO UP WITH SCORED.
NEITHER KIND OF APPROACH PASSED, WHICH STILL PROVIDES LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS WITH THAT FLEXIBILITY TO USE THOSE LAW
ENFORCEMENT TOOLS. AIRBNB REFORM, WE MADE A LITTLE
PROGRESS. WE ARE NOT QUITE THERE YET.
I ALWAYS LOOK AT SOME OF THESE ISSUES, THEY ARE MULTIYEAR
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WE HAVE PUSHED THE BALL FORWARD
QUITE A BIT, AND I'M OPTIMISTIC NEXT YEAR WE WILL HAVE SOME
BREAKTHROUGHS AS WELL, BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THE KEY
LEGISLATORS THAT WERE STOPPERS FOR US MAY -- WELL, THEY WILL
NOT BE IN THE SAME POSITIONS. SO I THINK WE'LL HAVE MORE
OPPORTUNITIES. AND AS I SAID, MOMENTUM IS
GROWING ON THE AIRBNB. I DO THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I
WOULD RECOMMEND IS WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET SOME LEGISLATORS
OUT TO TOUR YOUR COMMUNITY AND ACTUALLY SHOW THEM WHAT
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FOR LOCAL COMMUNITIES.
ANOTHER BIG WIN FOR US IS MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE STILL, AS A
COMMUNITY, ELIGIBLE FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE REIMBURSEMENT
PROGRAM. ONE OF THE THINGS THE
LEGISLATURE DID WAS EXTEND THAT PROGRAM, BUT THEY PUT IN A WHOLE
SERIES OF NEW REQUIREMENTS THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE MET BUT WE
WERE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE GRANDFATHERED IN UNDER THE
OLD PROGRAM AND THERE WILL BE ENOUGH RESOURCES AND WE WORKED
WITH CITY STAFF TO MAKE SURE THEY GOT THEIR APPLICATION IN IN
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ON THE BUDGET FRONT, KIND OF
STATUS QUO. NO CUTS.
NO -- NO NEW MONEY. BUT GIVEN WHERE THE STATE WAS,
FISCALLY, THEY DID ENACT NEAR FULL CONFORMITY ON HR-1, SO THEY
HAD TO MAKE SOME CUTS TO FUND THOSE TAX CUTS.
USUALLY THEY TRY TO TAKE A LITTLE PIECE OUT OF CITIES.
HTHEY DIDN'T DO THAT THIS TIME, AND THAT'S GOOD NEWS AND WE FEEL
COMFORTABLE. I THINK ANOTHER GOOD POSITIVE
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CONTINUE TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS
WITH OUR LOCAL DELEGATION AND EXPAND THOSE.
THERE WERE TIMES WHEN THEY WERE ON THE FLOOR THAT MEMBERS WOULD
BE TEXTING SARA AND I, HEY, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS BILL.
WHERE ARE YOU GUYS AT? I THINK THAT'S A NICE STEP FROM
WHERE YOU KIND OF -- THE ISSUES WE HAD THE SESSION BEFORE.
AND THEN LASTLY, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME PROTECTING KIND OF
THE -- ON THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SIDE, MAKING SURE WE STILL HAD
STRONG AND FAIR LAWS THAT DIDN'T WEAKEN OUR ABILITY TO KEEP THE
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THAT -- LUIS AND I GOT TO KNOW
EACH OTHER QUITE WELL OVER THE SESSION, AS WE PLUGGED ALONG ON
THOSE ISSUES. IF THERE'S SPECIFIC QUESTIONS
ABOUT SPECIFIC BILLS, HAPPY TO ANSWER.
ALL OF YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED AN END OF SESSION REPORT.
THAT REPORT WILL DETAIL EVERY BILL THAT HAS BEEN ENACTED.
SOME NARR NARRATIVES ON THE BUD. ALWAYS OPEN TO ANSWER ANY
COUNCILMEMBER'S QUESTIONS AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
FROM THERE. >> Mayor Borowsky: THANK YOU
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WE DO HAVE COUNCILWOMAN
DUBAUSKAS. >> Councilmember Dubauskas: THAN
K YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU, MARC FOR COMING
TONIGHT. I REALLY LIKE YOUR IDEA OF
BRINGING SOME OF THES TO MEET WITH SOME OF THE -- MANY OF THE
MEMBERS TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS OF THE SHORT-TERM
RENTALS. WE HAVE A TASK FORCE -- I DON'T
KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD BUT WE HAVE A GROUP THAT LOOKS
THROUGH AND WE CAN FIND SOME FOLKS THAT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD
FOR THAT KIND OF A CONVERSATION. WE DID THE BARRETT-JACKSON TOUR,
AND YOU AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT PERHAPS DOING A HIKE IN THE
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THAT SOMETHING THAT'S STILL IN
THE WORKS AND -- >> MAYOR, COUNCILWOMAN
DUBAUSKAS, YES, OUTREACH IDEAS. THE ONE THAT WE'RE ALSO FOCUSED
ON TOO IS MAYBE CREATING KIND OF A RODEO CAUCUS, TO KIND OF
HIGHLIGHT WESTWORLD. SO HERE'S THE KIND OF CONCEPT IS
WE HAVE THIS AMAZING ASSET, THE BARRETT-JACKSON THING WAS A BIG
HIT. >> Councilmember Dubauskas: GOOD
 WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO BUILD THAT KIND OF IDEA ON THE RODEO
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EVENTS, THE FALL RODEO SEEMS
LIKE THE BEST EVENT. SO IF WE GET SOME BUDGET
SURPLUSES OR IF THERE'S SOME WINDOWS OF OPPORTUNITY, ALL OF A
SUDDEN WE CAN GRAB RESOURCES TO DO THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE
FAMILIAR WITH THE NEEDS, AND WE HAVE SOME OTHER STRATEGIES
WORKING AND THEN WE CAN FIGURE OUT OTHER KIND OF OPPORTUNITIES
TO GET PEOPLE TO TOUCH AND FEEL OUR COMMUNITY AND, YOU KNOW, WE
HAVE ALSO TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A TOURISM TOUR, LIKE HERE
ARE ALL THE ASSETS OF TOURISM FOR THE STATE AND THOSE TYPES OF
THINGS. SO I THINK MY -- MY
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ARE WILLING TO HELP GUIDE SOME
OF THESE AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT FOLKS, WE'D BE
HAPPY TO KIND OF HELP FIND WILLING LEGISLATORS TO COME OUT
AND VISIT AND GO FROM THERE. >> Councilmember Dubauskas: GREA
T. THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER.
 Mayor Borowsky: THANK YOU, AND VICE MAYOR McALLEN.
 Vice Mayor McAllen: THANK YOU, MAYOR.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, MARC.
ABBREVIATED. I WOULD LIKE TO JUST CONTINUE TO
ENCOURAGE YOU TO CHIP AWAY AT THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT IS
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RECEIVE IS ABOUT OUR LACK OR THE
ABILITY FOR US TO ENFORCE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I KNOW WE JUST RECENTLY CHANGED OUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL DEFINITION
OF AN EVENT CENTER AND THAT WILL GIVE US A LITTLE MORE TEETH.
ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO BRING BACK LOCAL CONTROL, JUST ANYTHING YOU
NEED FROM US, LET US HELP YOU. AND IF THAT MEANS US GOING DOWN
TO THE LEGISLATURE TO TALK, LET'S DO IT.
WE JUST NEED TO HAVE CONTROL BACK OF OUR OWN CITY.
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>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I AGREE.
I THINK HAVING THEM FEEL AND TOUCH AND SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS
LIKE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF PEOPLE WENT UP TO SEDONA AND
DROVE SEDONA AND YOU CAN SAY, OH, THESE BLOCKS ARE ALL SAME
WITH OUR COMMUNITY. THESE BLOCKS AND HERE'S WHERE
THAT SCHOOL IS GONNA CLOSE BECAUSE THERE'S ALL THE
 Vice Mayor McAllen: ABSOLUTEL Y.
 AND SO THAT PENDULUM IS CHANGING.
I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT PEOPLE ARE OPENING THEIR EYES
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APARTMENTS NOW HAVE AIRBNBs IN
THEM AND SO WHEN YOU ARE TALKING -- FOR SOME OF THOSE
COALITION PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE, NO LOCAL ZONING, BECAUSE WE WANT
AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WELL, THEN ON THE OTHER HAND, IF ALL OF
THESE APARTMENTS ARE BECOMING DE FACTO MINI HOTELS, THAT KIND OF
WORKS AGAINST THAT SECOND CONCEPT AND SO -- AND SO THERE'S
OPPORTUNITIES. IT WILL BE DIFFERENT MESSAGES
FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE, BUT WE JUST NEED TO GRIND AWAY, GRIND
AWAY AND THEN WHEN AN OPPORTUNITY OPENS UP.
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TO DO IS GET A LOT OF YOU
INTRODUCED TO EN REPRESENTATIVE BLISS BECAUSE SHE'S CHAMPION AND
REPRESENTS SEDONA. SHE'S REALLY GOOD --
 Vice Mayor McAllen: I'M HAPPY TO HELP IN ANY WAY I CAN.
I LOVE THE IDEA OF A TOUR. >> Mayor Borowsky: COUNCILWOMAN
LITTLEFIELD. >> Councilmember Littlefield:
I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU ARE DOING. I THINK IT'S GREAT.
ONE OF THE THOUGHTS I JUST HAD AFTER LISTENING TO YOU, CAN WE
ASK THEM WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF SCOTTSDALE?
DO THEY OFTEN HAVE ANY KIND OF

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VIEWPOINTS OR INTERESTS THAT
PERHAPS WOULD MAKE IT EASIER TO GET -- HAVE THEM COME OUT HERE
AND SEE WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE? >> ABSOLUTELY.
ABSOLUTELY. THE WHYED IS WE WANT TO BUILD --
THE IDEA IS THAT WE WANT TO BUILD A RELATIONSHIP WITH THESE
DELEGATES. AND THEN BRING IN OTHER PEOPLE
WHO MAY HAVE AN IMPACT, WHY WOULD REPRESENTATIVE BLISS WHO
LIVES UP IN THE PRESCOTT AREA COME DOWN HERE?
SHE WANTS TO SEE BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ISSUE IN COMMON.
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YOU ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE,
SENATOR SANDURATION, ONE OF THE BIG LEADERS IN WATER POLICY.
COME SEE WHAT WE ARE DOING IN OUR COMMUNITY.
EVERYBODY MAY HAVE DIFFERENT INTERESTS AND IN SOME CASES WE
WILL PARTNER WITH OTHER REGIONAL COMMUNITIES SO YOU GET KIND OF A
REGIONAL LOOK AS WELL. >> Councilmember Littlefield:
THANK YOU. >> Mayor Borowsky: THANK YOU,
COUNCILWOMAN WHITEHEAD. >> Councilmember Whitehead: I
HAVE TO SAY REPRESENTATIVE BLISS IS AMAZING.
SO THE TIME TO START ON NEXT SESSION IS NOW.
AND I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT. SO I MIGHT BE REACHING OUT TOO,
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YOU KNOW, THAT -- THE TIME TO
START IS NOW. AND INTERESTING YOU MENTIONED
TUCSON, REGIONAL AND WATER. THINGS THAT SCOTTSDALE HAS DONE
VERY, VERY WELL ARE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT TUCSON HAS DONE VERY
WELL. AND TUCSON HAS BEEN REALLY GOOD
AT CAPTURING RUNOFF AND -- AND THEY HAVE A WHOLE GREEN
INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THAT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING
TOUR FOR PEOPLE UP HERE TO GO SEE THAT AS WELL.
BUT ANYWAY, YEAH, I WOULD SAY, LET'S GET STARTED FOR OUR TOP
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THANKS.
 YEAH, LOBBYING IS A FULL-TIME BUSINESS.
EVERYONE THINKS WE WORK FOUR MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WHEN I GOT INTO THE BUSINESS, BUT I WAS
WRONG. YES.
IT STARTS NOW AND THE GOOD NEWS IS WE STARTED LATE BECAUSE OF
THE TRANSITION, BUT SARA AND I HAVE A FULL -- WELL, NOT A FULL
YEAR, BUT SIX MONTHS TO BUILD THAT AND WE'RE WORKING ON THAT
AGGRESSIVELY. >> Mayor Borowsky: COUNCILMAN
KWASMAN. >> Councilmember Kwasman: MARC
YOU ENTHUSIASM ON YOUR GOALIE MERCY.
AND THE OUTCOME IS PALPABLE IT

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REALLY S. WE SEE THE DIFFERENCE
AND I THINK WE REALLY FOUND OUR LOBBYIST FOR THE LONG RUN, AND
OUR GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS PERSON AND I JUST WANT TO LEAVE -- END
WITH CAUTIONING THE MEMBERS ABOUT IF WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE'RE SPEAKING WITH LEGISLATORS THROUGH -- THROUGH
MARC, BECAUSE HONESTLY, I'M -- AS A FORMER LEGISLATOR, WE
DON'T -- CITY COUNCILMEMBERS DO NOT DO WELL ON -- YOU KNOW, ON
WASHINGTON STREET. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
IT'S EXTREMELY PRECISION WHEN WE SPEAK TO PEOPLE AND NOT -- AND
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CAMERAS, RIGHT?
AND IT'S JUST -- THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE US.
 TO THAT POINT, I THINK SARA AND I'S JOB IS TO CURATE YOU
GUYS SO THAT WE MATCH YOU WITH THE RIGHT LEGISLATORS.
MR. KWASMAN, I'VE KNOWN YOU FOR A LONG TIME.
THERE'S CERTAIN LEGISLATORS I WOULD NOT PUT YOU IN FRONT OF.
[ LAUGHTER ] AND VICE VERSA.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF -- I ALWAYS REMEMBER WE WERE HAVING A
DINNER WITH THE QUEEN CREEK PEOPLE AND THERE WAS -- ONE OF
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QUEEN CREEK, JUST HAPPENED TO
SIT NEXT TO ONE OF THE MOST CONSERVATIVE LEGISLATORS AT THE
DINNER WHICH WAS NOT BY DESIGN. AND WE JUST SAT THERE GOING...
PLEASE! PLEASE GO WELL.
 Councilmember Kwasman: I JUST WANT TO REMIND DR. OSBORN THAT
MY ROOMMATE, WHEN I WAS AT THE LEGISLATOR WAS ANDREW SHERWOOD.
 Mayor Borowsky: ALL RIGHT. I DON'T SEE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
YOU HEARD ME TALK ABOUT THE LARGE WATER USERS IDEA.
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PROBABLY WILL NEED TO INVOLVE
THE STATE AT SOME POINT DEPENDING ON HOW WE -- HOW
EXTREME WE GO. SO LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT. WITH THAT, IF THERE'S NO OTHER
QUESTIONS, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.
 THANK YOU. >> Mayor Borowsky: ALL RIGHT.
AND WE'RE MOVING ON TO COUNCILMEMBERS UPDATES.
SO ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING TO -- VICE MAYOR McALLEN?
 Vice Mayor McAllen: THANK YOU, MAYOR.
JUST A REMINDER THAT THIS JULY 4th, AT WESTWORLD, SUPER
HUGE SPECIAL EVENT AND BARBECUE.

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I WELCOME ALL THE CITIZENS TO
ATTEND. >> Mayor Borowsky: ALL RIGHT.
WITH THAT WE ARE ADJOURNED. I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.