--------- Call this meeting to order. This is a work session of mayor and burough council of bur seaside park county voting state of New Jersey held on Thursday October 16th 2025 advertised for 700 p.m. Pursuant to the provisions of New Jerseyy's open public meetings
act. Adequate notice of this meeting was properly provided by transmitting the notice of the meeting for publication in the Aspberry Park Press on the Ocean Star on January 3rd, 2025. Notice of the meeting of the governing body also has been posted in the corridor of the municipal building and in the office of
the municipal clerk. Roll call. >> Council member Amabil will not be here this evening. >> Council member Condos >> here. >> Council member Connor >> here. >> Council member Craft >> here. >> Council member Rotunda >> here. >> Council President Wil >> here. >> Mayor Peterson
>> here. >> Thank you. The first item we have on the agenda this evening is uh obviously brings about a lot of uh mixed
emotions, bittersweet sweet emotions for all of us. It's certainly a happy occasion but has to have a little sadness thrown in. But uh if we could have come forward uh a very very special
employee from the Burough Seaside Park, someone who has been a very special employee in various capacities for 40 years >> knowing those of us old-timers
put we remember back in the badge sticker days when you were first But, uh, Annie Rice has always always been a great friend of the Burough of Seaside Park, all its citizens, all its
visitors, and everyone here in town, Annie, all your fellow employees, members of the town governing body, past, present, everybody. And we thank you very, very much, very from the
bottom of all our hearts for everything you gave to our town. and I know always will. uh you were the face of Seaside Park and obviously we all remember the very uh sad days of fear and anxiety of
the co period uh in our history not just our town's history but our and everyone also remembers Seaside Park was always open and it was open thanks in a large way to one person who was always always
there in person in the mural hall and that was Annie Rice always and always will you always be in all our hearts and we thank you very very much congratulate you wished you the best
happiness good health and all our appreciation and and what I have is a special proclamation And uh Jenna and I and the whole council worked on it. Uh make sure we have all the dates, times,
and everything right because I I know and I do remember back badge checking and uh very very soon thereafter everyone uh realized immediately you were a very special person and of course you moved up the ladder in a whole host
of positions in the burough seaside park. So this is a proclamation from the entire governing body, the entire burough family and all the public members of Seaside Parks community, especially for you. It reads in
recognition and it says Annne Rice, but we all know you as Annie Rice. 40 years of exemplary service to the Burough Seaside Park. And whereas an affectionately known as Annie Rice, first started employment with the
Burough Seaside Park at as a badge checker back in the summer of 1985. And whereas Annie Rice was then hired shortly thereafter as a keyboarding clerk one in 1986. Whereas Anne Rice quickly became an integral part of the
Burough family in her dedicated service toward helping the financing, purchasing, and tax and utility offices, which efforts led to her promotions as account clerk in 1989 and then the senior account clerk in 1999 and finally
as the tax collector in 2009. And whereas during Anne Rice's tenure with the Burough of Seaside Park, she was a steadfast and loyal employee, perhaps best exemplified by her devoted
in-person work and her unwavering expert and cheerful service provided throughout the anxiety, if not fear-driven days of the national pandemic. And whereas Anne Rice grew up in Seaside Park and has always remained part of the heart and
soul of her community as she regularly volunteered alongside her entire family with Triborough First Aid Squad in providing life-saving service as an EMT and in tirelessly volunteering for
community-minded events such as the beloved Friday night bingo. And whereas Anne Rice will be greatly mi missed at the Burough Hall for all her kindness, dedication, rapport with residents, and
her team-minded spirit. Now, therefore, I, Mayor John A. Peterson Jr., on behalf of the entire burough council of the Burough of Seaside Park to hereby present this proclamation to Anne Rice in recognition and in gratitude for her
dedicated service to the Burough of Seaside Park with all our best wishes upon her retirement and for much happiness in the future. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. I think you should say a few words. >> I I I can't say how much I'm, you know,
miss seeing everybody and and helping out everybody. But, uh, hopefully this next chapter is going to be a lot of vacation and photography and, you know, and more, uh, service, you know, to the communities and stuff. So, um, thank you
to everybody that I worked with and everybody, you know, who's always supported me and the town. I really appreciate it. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All your family of It's a team effort and always has been. Thank you very
much. >> We wanted to get a photo with you and the entire council. We want to present you officially if we could sneak them up here for one second. and we have >> everyone ready? Cheese.
>> Hold that pose. >> Very nice. >> I thought you were just doing the three of them. Yeah, that's right. >> Great. Good. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> Congratulations. Thank you. >> That was It's a long career. It's a beautiful career, >> Danny. It's beautiful career and you get to do it on your terms. >> You know, I do know that's the way to do it firstand. >> Me, too.
>> And even 40 years. >> Yeah. >> You did four years. >> Back as a consultant for seven. >> See you later. That's what I'm leaving. the the next item uh on the agenda for
discussion is uh the issue of moving the and setting a new location for a new Osprey platform and I'll turn the floor over to I know Marty's worked on it Karen and the whole council has been
involved in this and uh >> the platform is already completely built and ready to be installed. There was discussion to place it the end of Lake Avenue, I believe. And >> well, initially like the northwest corner of the marina
>> and then we scrubbed that for reasons. >> Yeah. Yeah. The the birds leaf litter. >> Yeah, that's it. >> Um and then thought a better location would be >> stuck. >> Uh yeah, like probably >> in the wooded area. Yeah, just north of
the playground on Lake Avenue. >> Down at the water's edge down where the the shrubbery is. >> Mhm. >> Felt it'd be natural lake location and >> you wouldn't need to fear and there's not there's there's no really >> disturbance there. The roads there, but they
>> they don't seem to mind. >> The road doesn't mind. >> They don't mind a lot of things. >> They go right up here on the the tower nest in our light towers down the field. It doesn't seem like the one at the end of the marina where it's located on um
High Street on that quarter, the Blackbirds are interfering and it that's not successful. >> And uh you also consulted I know there's at least one very uh active neighbor who helps out, monitors and watches and he's
he's understanding as well and supportive. Yeah, John Clea spoke to him and he totally agreed with the assessment and I think the was brought to the environmental uh the EAC and uh through Cindy Clea she told me they're on board. So
>> So we'll hope uh for the next nesting cycle. >> Yeah. So in between now and then we'll get it installed and >> Yeah, >> that's good. >> So everybody uh okay on board with that? >> Yeah. With that? >> Yeah, I think it's good. The existing
one will remain. We're not taking the existing one down. Maybe we'll get lucky. But >> yeah, >> well, they've had they've been there. They just for whatever reason that probably black bear birds that uh just interfered. >> That's my belief.
>> Yeah. >> You go by, you watch them, they're interfering. So >> So you're saying you're going to leave it and do a second one? >> Yeah. First it sound like you're removing it. >> No, this is an addition. That's what I thought. But >> yeah.
Okay. >> The next item of discussion is discussion of engineering quote for topographic survey at the storm water pump station at 14th Avenue. That's listed for consideration as resolution
2025340 for this evening's regular meeting. This mayor, this is um for additional surveying the road that was put in by the county to make sure it's placed at the right height of 2.5. If it's not
it's not pitched correctly, the storm water system will not work correctly. That's what this this is about. >> This is the SRT that it's okay. >> Anything else on that one?
No. >> If not, uh, anything else from council for work session discussion at this time? >> No, I don't I don't have anything. >> There being none, I'll go into the audience if there's any public comments on the work session items. If anyone has
them, if they could give their name and address into the record. >> Pat. Pat Erso 13710th Avenue. I just want to say the uh environmental committee definitely supports the Lakeside Avenue site. It's um near the playground. It's
definitely remote. The uh black birds according to our resident Cindy Flea who is our resident osprey expert um actually were not the problem this year but there was a generalized
um problem with osprey all over the state. They did not thrive this year. Many left their nests. Uh, so there is a chance that we would get osprey back. The same pair.
Evidently, according to Cindy, the same pair comes back to the nest every year. >> That's correct. >> It always that's their habit. They find a place and that's where they go. Like the one over the Pelican Island Bridge.
But, um, we're optimistic about the new site and we're very happy that the council is doing this. >> Very good. Thank you, Pat. Thank you, Pat. Thank you. And Shirley, >> Shirley Cres, 700 North B Avenue. I'm not exactly sure of the site, but
there's none of those little birds around where this one's going to be put. >> We had a good >> Are the trees different? >> We went by the experts to observe the conditions. >> Okay. So, >> there's less trees, more frag muddies, less trees. >> Yeah, that's what Yeah. Yeah.
>> And those were so high and like G who's right there would see them actually pull the feathers out of the osprey. >> Yeah. The brutal. >> They were good. >> Give it a try. >> Yep. >> Yes. Even
claims 4811. Just one quick question about that um resolution for the additional engineering services. The road has already been done. Is that right? >> That's correct. >> It is. >> So,
what happens if what I don't understand why this survey wasn't done or the engineering wasn't done before they finished the road? Because if they find out it's not the right thing, they're going to have to redo the road. >> Yes. >> Well, why wasn't this taken care of
before they did the Who did the engineering? >> Let me go back. I know this is very confusing and this comes up every time. It's a county road. >> I get that >> the pump station is our project. We have to confirm that that county road was put
in at 2.5. >> So there was no interaction between the town and the county before they did the road. >> You wouldn't do it before the road. >> You have to confirm >> that it's at 2.5 that the requirements were met. Yeah,
>> that was very >> So I'm having trouble. So I'm Okay. >> So what you're saying is the county did their did their work. >> That's correct. >> And they didn't necessarily know want to care about making it the right type.
>> We don't have that in writing. >> It doesn't seem to me to be the way to do things. I'm not saying I'm not saying that you guys are wrong. >> No. put anything in perspective just to simplify this. You build your house. Before we go anywhere,
before you get CO, we have what's called an asbuilt. The surveyor comes back, surveys everything. They hand that into the building department. Okay, it meets our requirements. Standard practice. This is no different.
So whatever the county did met our >> met our requirements >> met our requirements or they just didn't even find out what we wanted or it's their road so they did what they wanted. >> It's no different than what I just explained. >> All right. Well, I I can't really relate the two. All right. New question. So if
this survey or or whatever comes back that it's not right, will the county redo it or are we required to pay to redo it? >> We'll address that when we get to that. All right. Well, that's not much of an answer, but I guess that's all you can do for me right now.
>> Any other comments on work session items? >> Yes. Uh Tom Joseph, 704 South Bay View Avenue. The 2.5 ft. >> Yes. >> Is that the crown of the road? >> That is correct. >> Thank you. >> Crown of the road. Any
other comments on work session? Yes, Chuck. >> Chuck Applebee, 215th Avenue. Um, the survey, just so you know, they put the road in. It was designed by an engineering firm. Put the road in. The engineering firm was there doing quality
control, quality insurance work while it was being done. After it was done, Earl, the guy that put it in, sent a survey crew there to talk to them to do the final as for their job and they submitted that to the county, I assume.
Then they came back and they had to repay the section, >> correct? >> Because they failed to meet the specs. >> They submitted that to the county, I assume, the engineer, and they paid them based on it being correct. So I assume there's a question whether it is correct
because it might not be it might not have met the specs the design. So um I guess there's a communication between the county A&E and uh the town isn't great but they were in this week there was a they installed water lines. They
failed in putting the water lines incorrectly. Then they had one leak from my neighbor and they just came in this week and dug it all up and did it again. So now we have a patch in that brand new road which of course we don't want to have but >> unbelievable.
>> So these are all things it's it's working with the county and things like that. It's a shame that the relationship just isn't better with the A&E even talking to A&E and making sure everything is done. So uh you know that's that's unfortunate. Um with the
regards to the uh osprey I did many of these um managed them but uh the height I was wondering did somebody actually uh evaluate the elevation and contact the D or somebody you know we have experts in
town but um to to make sure that the height that's going in is appropriate for the height of the frackes and the vegetation because I think there's a big there was a disconnect and I think there might be in the future These things have to be pretty damn high to to protect the
birds up there in the nest. So, you want to have the right height. So, if they could just double check to make sure the height's right. I saw the pole that's there at the marina. It doesn't seem that big. Um, and I know we think we I think we had a height problem with the one that was at the marina >> and we raised it and I saw it when it
went in. I was like, that's too short. But, we'll see if it works. But um you know I just if you get an expert they beach state park but the state has a whole program for it. But just to make sure the height's done do it right the first time. >> Any other comments on work session
items? Hearing none. I would press anything else from council. I'd entertain a motion to adjourn the work session. Take a brief moment and then move into the regular meeting. I'll make a motion. >> Motion by council member Connor. >> Second.
>> Second by council member. Roll call. >> Council member Connor. >> Yes. >> Council member. >> Yes. >> Council member Condos. >> Yes. >> Council member Crow. >> Yes. >> Council president. >> Yes. >> Motion approved. Part: 2
call our meeting to order. >> This is a regular meeting. The mayor and burough council, the burrow of Seaside Park County version, state of New Jersey held on Thursday, October 16th, 2025, advertised to begin at the conclusion of
the work session, which has now ended. Pursuant to the provisions of New Jerseys Open Public Meetings Act, adequate notice of this meeting was properly provided by transmitting the notice to meeting for publication to the Asbury Park Press and the Ocean Star on
January 3rd, 2025. Notice of this meeting in the governing body also has been posted in the corridor of the municipal building and in the office of the municipal clerk. Roll call. >> Council member Andy, >> he will not be here this evening. >> Council member Condos
>> here. Council member Connor >> here. >> Council member Craft >> here. >> Council member Rotunda >> here. >> Council President Wil here. >> Mayor Peterson >> here. Thank you. >> Let us all now rise together for a moment of silence to be followed by our
pledge of allegiance. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
The first item on the agenda is approval set for the minutes of October 2nd, 2025, a work session, October 2nd, 2025, a regular meeting. Is there any comments from council or not? A motion. >> I'll make that motion.
>> Motion by council president Wilk. >> Second. >> Second by council member Craft. Roll call. >> Council president Wils. >> Yes. >> Council member Craft. Yes. >> Council member Condos. >> Yes. >> Council member Connor. >> Yes. >> Council member Watundae. >> Yes. >> Motion approved.
>> Next is a motion for approval of the October 2nd, 2025 close session special minutes. Is there a motion? >> We've got a motion there. >> Motion by Council Member Condos.
>> A second. >> Second by Council Member Connor. Roll call. >> Council member Condos. >> Yes. Council member Connor, >> yes. >> Council member Craft, >> yes. >> Council member Rotunda, >> yes. >> Council President Wilk, >> yes. Motion approved. >> The next item are ordinances. They're
all first readings for a hearing and discussion for a second reading. The first on the agenda is introduction of first reading ordinance 22524 amending the burrow code of the burrow seaside park so as to amend chapter 450
entitled water and sewers. Any comments from council if not a motion. >> I'll make a motion. >> Motion by council member Craft. >> Second. >> Second by council member Rotanda. Roll call.
>> Council member Crop. Yes. >> Council member Rotunda. >> Yes. >> Council member Condos. >> Yes. >> Council member Connor. >> Yes. >> Council President. >> Yes. >> Motion approved. >> Next is introduction first reading. It's ordinance 22525
amending chapter 405 article 5 of the code of Bur seesat park entitled property owners use of the burge as a followup to past discussions and research through the code department planning board and the committee and
conversations at past meetings this to a first reading there a motion >> I'll make that motion mayor >> motion by council president Wilk A second. >> Second by council member Connor. Roll call. >> Council president Wil.
>> Yes. >> Council member Connor. >> Yes. >> Council member Condos. >> Yes. >> Council member Crab. >> Yes. >> Council member Routta? >> Yes. >> Motion approved. >> Next is introduction of first reading ordinance 22526 amending chapter 435
entitled vehicles and traffic. This is a added space as per the ongoing work uh of the police department in reviewing those that qualify for uh special consideration, handicap parking and the like.
Is there a motion for first reading? >> I'll make that motion, mayor. >> Motion by Council President Wolf. >> Second. >> And second by Council Member Condos. Roll call. >> Council President Wil. Yes. Council member Condos. >> Yes. Council member Connor, >> yes. >> Council member Craft,
>> yes. >> Council member Rotunda, >> yes. >> Motion approved. >> Next are authorizations. There is one event Seaside Park PTA Halloween parade. Sunday, October 26, 2025,
12:30 p.m. to 1:00 p.m. Location, the Police Station, Lawn Streets, 6th Avenue, Bay View Avenue, 3rd Avenue. The approval would be conditioned upon obtaining a county parade permit.
Any questions, comments from council. If not, a motion with the one condition required. >> May I just make one other comment? I think we talked about it before. You can bring it up again at the end. But we also coordinated with the PTA to have the Seaside Park Rex sponsored scarecrow
contest again and doing it on the same day. So that'll precede this event from 10 to 12 and then go right into the PTA event >> to the parade. Yep. >> Very good. Anything else? Or if not, is there a
motion with the one condition? >> I'll make a motion. >> Motion by council member Condos. >> I'll second it. Mayor >> second by council member Connor. Roll call. >> Council member Condos. >> Yes. >> Council member Connor. >> Yes. >> Council member Craft. >> Yes. >> Council member Watunda. Yes.
>> Council President Wilk. >> Yes. >> Motion approved. >> Next are payment of claims 225 to 338. Approval of payment of the itemized claims as set forth on the check registry bill list for the period
October 3rd, 2025 to October 16th, 2025. Any comments, question from council? Or if not, a motion. >> I'll make the motion. >> Motion by council member Craft. >> A second. Second by council president Wil. Roll call. >> Council member Craft.
>> Yes. >> Council President Wil. >> Yes. >> Council member Condos. >> Yes. >> Council member. >> Yes. >> Council member Rosundo. >> Yes. >> Motion approved. >> Next resolutions. I'll read in summary fashion 225 339
authorizing the municipal clerk to advertise request for proposals for professional positions for the year 2026. 340. Authorizing change order number one to the contract with Remington Vernick Engineers to provide professional engineering services for the 14th Avenue
stormwater pump station project 341 appointing Jennifer Burr as the municipal tax collector effective November 1 342 requesting permission for dedication by Ryder for
storm recovery trust fund by NJSA4A 4-6 62.1 343 authorizing the amendment of resolution 225330 for the adjustment of designated water sewer utility accounts. 344
authorizing membership in the volunteer fire company. Any comments from council on any of the resolutions? >> No. If not, it's our practice to if there are any public comments on any
resolutions, uh if anyone has them, we permit it, although not required by law. Anyone have them, if they could give their name and address into the record hearing? None, I would close the public portion on resolutions. I'd entertain a
motion as a consent agenda from council. >> That motion. >> Motion by council member Condos. Second. >> Seconded by council member Craft. Roll call. >> Council member Condos. >> Yes. >> Council member Craft. >> Yes. >> Council member Connor. >> Yes.
>> Council member Rotunda. >> Yes. >> Council President Ro. >> Yes. >> Motion approved. >> And that concludes the written agenda. Everything that had come in. Does anyone else on council have anything further at this juncture?
>> Good. I have >> Yes. >> public works committee status report. Um desert problem appeal the appeal is on the New Jersey Supreme Court docket apparing date. Still unanim waiting for
the New Jersey D to provide their environmental decision docket. Documentations for the construction of 12 number 11 on that site. The 14th Avenue pump station. The anti anticipated bid bid date is January awarding in February and commencements
construction in the spring. Storm water management equipment we are anticipating putting out to bid for storm water maintenance equipment to back truck the two street sweeps and a dra generator for the 14th Avenue pump station in November and awarding in December. The
first estimate is 1,564,000 and the bureau is eligible for up to $2 million in principal forgiveness. Improvements to J Street. Improvements will be made to J Street between Northwest Central Avenue and Marina
system drains infrastructure curbs, sidewalks, aprons will be replaced and the roadway completely reconstructed. Tenative start date is mid to late November. cost of this project is $348,313 and the borrower was awarded $244,825
through the New Jersey DOT 2025 submissible a grant to improve um so that the balance of the burough is responsible for $13,488. We will be starting phase one on um Central Park. It will consist of the
custom benches, pavers on the corner with a um we are waiting to get a schedule for the electrician. That's the electrical service we put in there. And also mayor, I have a very interesting um little
information on the water usage in the barrel since all the improvements were made to our water manes. The pump station uh for 3B millions of gallons. Okay. The
year 2024 100 117 million gallons was pumped and two 2025 year to date there's only 84 million. This period last year was 96 million. So there were down 12 million gallons from last year at this
end of the summer. Overall for 2025, I would estimate between 15 to 17 million gallons less than last year because of the water man replacement. On the highest pumping year on available record was 20
223 million gallons in 2005. So you can see with all the new water mans water services going in on our precious resource our water the savings there's not even a savings on the water which is very important the wear and
tear on our pumps the electric usage and everything associated with that as we as a result of the town's investment in our water system for phases 1 2 3a 3b we have cut that total pumping amount down to probably 109 million gallons in 2025.
That is a total savings of 114 million gallons of water. >> Wow. >> I think that's very important. >> Yeah. >> None of that spent. I know it's aggravating how they're all going up, but it's not only for the water, it's also for sewer laterals where we're
pumping um less water into the um the county um sewer treatment plant. So, our rate there is dramatically less. What was it 20 years ago? I believe it was a million dollars. I believe almost a million dollars a year for um just for the sewage down greatly from that for
that amount. So you can see there was money well spent for water danes. I had to get this uh we've been talking about it in the public works committee so we probably have these numbers. We had a lot of leakage on Ocean Avenue because the amount of sand um you're not going to find a leak. If there's a leak it's
just going to it's just going to work right down. It's amazing how much water we were losing at Ocean Avenue. We do need to lose a lot of water. So that's where where the leaks were. But that's my report there. That's nice. >> Thank you, Mari. >> That's nice.
>> That's a good news report. >> Yeah. >> Any uh anything else from council at this juncture? >> Hearing none, I'll go into the audience. Any public comments? If anyone has them, if they could give their name and address into the record as per the open
public meetings act. Yes, Edie. 80 claim 48 111th Avenue. I know you you said Central Park, but I think you meant Park Central. >> Yes. >> The papers in the corners. What's that? >> The quarter section. We're starting in the quarter
>> on third. You have to refer to the drawing. It's almost >> It's a bench. Is that where the benches are going to be on the papers? >> That's correct. >> Okay. >> It's just the corner. That's the one section we're starting with. And electric is third avenue on the corner towards the house.
>> And what's the electric go to service? Are they Is that going to be lit that area? Then >> eventually we're we're putting in the electric service with the um Karen, could you help me >> with the gazebo that we're going to build sort of in the middle of that'll be lighted and like plugs there so
people can charge their phones? >> Specifically, what grant is paying for this? >> I'm sorry. >> The grant. This is from grant money. >> Yeah. recreation grant. We received $90,000. >> Um and also um the uh the EAC has uh
graciously offered to um donate the remaining balance of their budget for 2025, which is rough roughly $2,000 to that project um which will likely go to trees, shrubs, planting, something environmentally sound.
Okay. Um, >> uh, one question on the the mailbox issue. What brought this to light? This changing of the the ordinance to allow mailboxes in the verge. What where
did this start? Since we don't have committee discussions or reports anymore, I'm just curious. >> Well, that would be my committee. I don't know if it started anywhere. Well, who who came up with the idea that the ordinance need to be changed? >> Change ordinances all the time. We were
>> Well, and I think part of it too, if you don't mind, please, Mr. President, um, >> residents are told one thing by the post office because the postmaster general would prefer that post people, the mail people don't have to get in and out of a truck all the time. They that's where they want them. So they were telling
residents who were putting in new mailboxes to put them in that area in the verge and they were um so and so we were conflicting with the postmaster general's regulations. >> Thank you Carrie. You're correct. That's what was that's what we >> that's what I was wanting to know what
the origin was. Well at the last meeting when this was first discussed I raised the issue that in the summertime when the blocks are all parked up the mailman's still going to have to get out of his truck. Well, >> I'm not I'm I'm just making an observation. I don't know if the
postmaster general knows that or not, but >> that's a few days out of 365. >> The whole summer. >> I don't think the whole summer's like that, but I just >> Well, okay. All right. I'll give you that. >> Nothing's perfect. >> Okay. You're right. New topic.
The whole trib issue. My question is is why do we have to find out information from a shorebe article? Why can't information like that come from the council? >> I don't know. >> The article in Shby talked about >> I don't read I don't read it.
>> Well, it's a good thing I do because that's how I find out what's going on. The article in the Shore talked about the fact that the Heights was investigating what to do and wasn't private, was it? Wasn't blah blah blah. That's the first that we had heard anything about it and and apparently
this had been being worked on for a while and there's obviously great concern on the part of the residents um of the situation with Triboro and my question is is why from you people
didn't we have some indication that this was ongoing? Why do I have to read about it through shore beat article on Facebook? Um that's my question has been mentioned at meetings.
>> No, we talked about putting out >> shared services. I mean >> you put out you could >> I know >> talked about that. I mean we've been talking about that they're in financial distress. I think that's been publicly discussed and obviously our concern is
as great as yours of what happens and you don't want to lose the services. I don't know about like if we had meeting that when we had to put out the request for >> Sees Heights as the lead agency for the RFP. >> Yeah. That was public that that was
being done. >> Well, my here's my question. Why couldn't somebody have mentioned that this conversation was going on? Why, you know, we come and you have the resolutions and you have but there's never anything else. And this this
hearkens back to what I was harping on probably a couple years ago as far as there are Marty I know is doing his committee report. There used to be at the work session the different committees would talk about the committee heads would talk about what's going on in the committee and okay if
nothing was going on there'd be no report I get that but that's what we are missing all the back discussions and I'm not saying we need every chapter in verse but some idea all we get is is this list that's it until I read about
it in short that there is this discussion going on between seaside height seaside part I guess Berkeley I don't know uh about the situation with Triber about what the possible solutions might be and I don't understand why that has to
be why can't you share information like that doesn't mean that that's going to be what's going to happen I get that but just the fact it would be nice to know that something like this is being discussed in the meantime all we know is
that tribro sinking faster than a stone and we might lose first aid services here on the island. In the meantime, you people know that there's a possible plan being discussed. What would be the harm
in saying just that, that there's a discussion with Seaside Heights and Berkeley um as to possible solutions. Why would that be a problem to to tell the public? I I mean I don't know if I'm the one to really address it because I'm not on
that individual like group that's been doing it, but some of it we can't discuss because there's still some contractual things that are being discussed in shared services. So you don't necessarily want to have those public discussions and you can't I mean
other than that that that's the only real reason. I mean, I think we've been very open about >> contributing as maximum amounts of money that we could give. Seaside Heights gave more money. We gave more money. We're continually helping to them to fund raise. We purchased supplies for them.
>> I mean, >> you're not telling me anything. I don't I don't know. >> Well, that's the point. We aren't telling anything you don't know because there's nothing else to tell other than still in discussion where there's no decision. All you would have had to to say pretty
simply was Charles and Bick blah blah blah but we are currently in a conversation with Seaside Heights and Berkeley as to possible solutions that you know >> is that too much to ask for? >> No.
>> Well, that's what I'm asking for. >> I guess I thought that that was stated. >> I think over the course of this over the past few months I mean this has been the discussion. Um, I'm not going to be able to cite a time, an hour, or a day, but I mean I I don't know what more Edy that
we could tell you other than what you've already told us. Um, because we don't have anything more to tell. Um, the shared services with with Seaside Heights, they they put a a voted on that an RFP went out. Um, it
I I don't know, you know, it's not like we were holding things back. I I mean >> I don't know what else we can say. >> I mean, quite frankly, between the time it was decided an RFP would go out and it went out, there might not have been even a meeting to discuss it. >> No, >> you're telling me that before Daniel Lee
wrote that article that there was absolutely no discussion among you people in the governing body that you and Seaside Heights in Berkeley were discussing. That's that's all I'm asking for. It could be two sentences, but I
did not know, we did not know and I, you know me, I'm here almost every meeting. I had no idea that this topic was being discussed. Don't need to know the particulars because obviously the particulars haven't even been decided as of tonight, I assume. Um, just the fact
that it was being discussed. That's that's all we're asking for is just just it's like Marty gives now he gives his report. That's great. That's what that's we need more than what are the committees talking about that's I'll go back to that we used to have those
committee discussions and now we don't have them anymore at the work session just a little bit more I'll just one comment about I mean for as long as I've been here I would think a lot of those discussions that
used to happen here publicly at the work sessions were because there was an extra meeting every month in order to do that and given everybody's calendars and the fact that a lot of us still have day jobs and other things like we fit in a
lot of these committee sessions where we can so that we can either meet with when Karen and the staff up at the burough hall are available to meet with us or somebody else. So honestly we don't need to have a lot of the committee meetings here because we're having them and I
think the actions that come out of them is what we share. I'm not asking for committee meetings. I'm asking if you went around and everybody that has a committee that if you have had a meeting and you say, "Okay, >> okay, >> DPW, you know, the public works, um, you
know, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah," just like just like what Marty just did. >> But we don't hear from any of the other committees. So, we don't really know what you're doing until it shows up here as an ordinance, which is almost a given, or a resolution, which is almost a given. That's all I'm asking. A little
more transparency, a little bit more a little bit more information. We want to be informed and I don't want to get my information from Daniel Kne. That's what I'm saying. Thank you, >> Shirley. >> Shirley Pressle, 700 North Baby Avenue.
I'm kind of going to follow up on what Edie says. Like at the last meeting, I was waiting for something to be said about the scarecrow contest. Um, or whatever it is. I don't think I come on test >> but nothing was said. >> It was said was definitely announced.
>> Okay, Edie, it was said and it was done. And matter of fact, from the time you told me, you asked me about it. I know you asked me about it last year. >> This year you came up here and asked me about it, >> right? >> And I said, I'm going to take a look at I went right away to the rent committee. We had a meeting, Karen, everybody else.
And we set it up and and it's gone. The signs out there, it's all going >> out. That's not my point was >> Joe spoke about the whole thing at the council meeting. >> It was not mentioned at the last council meeting. >> Yes, it was. >> No, not at the last council meeting. Joe went into great detail about it.
>> I mean, just to let other people know because, you know, we're trying to spread the word. What I'm saying is every somebody has is in charge of a committee. >> Yeah. We used to also get um overtime report for the police, how many calls,
which had gotten to that point, but maybe we can go back to the overtime. >> We used to get reports on overtime, how much overtime there was that out on your last report. >> Yeah, I did. But I I'll get it for next
month, but I did it last month also. >> And the other thing was with the storm coming and I know Gina, you responded on on Facebook. Like we were all like waiting for something simple like if you need
sandbags the police are handing them out such and such a time. Go to this section because the boardwalks were being done like where to go get the sand if you need it to warn people to move their cars up to Central Avenue. I mean we
lucked out more or less. Um, but a lot of people were waiting for that and like nothing came through. Bay Head, Manaloing, um, there was a brick, Tom's River, they all sent things out to the people, but we've heard nothing. So maybe next time
just to give because I have tenants across the street that haven't been here for such a thing. So I was on the phone with them. This is what you need to do. This is what, you know, get your car up the street just to maybe get back to that. I don't know who's in charge of it anymore, but it was a good thing that we used to have and with this one there was
like nothing. Thank you. >> Any other public comments? Yes. Nelson like to direct my question to Bill uh regarding the amount of the u payment of claims was what is
What? What area? >> You mean the totals? >> Yes. >> You have the to have the bill list. >> Are you looking at the bill? No, I'm not. >> Okay. Um Okay. the um
for the marina it was you just want to know what >> thetal the total for I >> mean that's that's all the >> right that's what he's asking for total bills with the building still.
>> That's what I'm trying to say. >> Yeah, I'm looking at 2,293,000 $242.34. >> One more time. 2 million >> 2,293,242 and 34 cents. Okay. Thank you very much.
Uh I'd also like to thank uh the water department and anybody associated with water and sewage. You guys are doing a good job in town. I always think so. uh kind of any kind of savings that the council can provide for the uh
taxpayers, it's always grateful. So, keep up the the job. Keep it up. Thank you. >> Any other public comments? Yes, Pat. >> Pato 13710th Avenue. Uh, number one, I I
haven't been at the last few meetings, so I missed about the verge. So, I just want to make sure I'm clear on what it says. Um, I have it somewhere about shrubs and this triangle.
>> Triangle. >> We I we have shrubs. I'm assuming the verge is between the sidewalk and the curb. >> Yeah. >> So that's the verge. And we do have shrub some shrubs. >> A lot of not a lot of people, but some
people have shrubs. So I I'm confused by what it says. Do we have to rip out the shrubs? >> They're allowed. >> No, the shrubs are allowed. You know, >> I'm sorry. It says they're allowed as
long as they don't uh disturb the sight triangle. >> And what is the sight triangle >> when I think the police chief can explain that better than me, but you you should be able to see if you're at a corner if the car is approaching. >> Okay. It's just corners pretty
>> and you can Okay. All right. That was one. The second thing was I hate to say this um but you did meet at the environmental committee last night and we didn't have a vote on that. >> Okay. Well, Barbara Sylvie emailed me.
So >> Barbara Sylvie >> emailed me and and yesterday and asked if they could. So nothing has been committed. I just said if you want to do that fine we can incumb funds. There was some discussion of that last
night and in the November meeting. We're going to there were several other things brought up, but um we are definitely going to discuss it in November. I just didn't want to clarify >> confused that we had already made that. >> That was my impression from email, but
if the committee hasn't decided that, that's fine. It's >> it definitely came up last night and we talked about it, but there was no final decision. Yeah, >> I think when Barbara originally approached us about it, she'd said that there was money still in the budget and did we have suggestions on things the
committee and that was one of them. We actually talked about >> um >> the what's the other bird thing >> we talked about a bunch of ideas and I think she was going to bring them back but other people also had some
suggestions. So, I didn't want anybody to be confused. And I have a question about that. Um, is there going to be water? >> Yes. >> Yes, there will be water. >> Okay,
>> good. I I want to say in relationship to what Shirley and Edie said, I don't come regularly to meetings, so I'm not speaking from vast experience, but I do know that I sat on very very
um active school board for quite a few years and the public expected to hear conflict about all the things that were being discussed
in committee separate a sentence here or there. And the unfortunately the reputation for the council all of whom individually are all thought to be great is that why go to a meeting? You never
hear anything. And when a question is asked, this is the public perception that I do. So I'm not generalizing to everybody in town either because obviously I can't do that. You all are working hard. We recognize
that and we want the communication to be great. A sentence or two. Our committee met whatever. And of course I know you all comply with Sunshine. So I don't know how your committees are set up even obviously not
more than two council people but it's really it it helps in the town to just hear a little when someone answers a question and I hear
this I don't know why you would go to a council meeting >> you ask a question and they just all look at that that is not a good look. And I know you're all going to get
elections and there's everybody's good and everybody you are all liked people. So I'm just adding to it. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. >> Any other public comments? Yes, Chuck.
Chuck will be 215 10th Avenue. Um, regarding the water and sewer, great job. It's good to hear that. I'd like my rates like reduced by half. They're the same amount that including sewer. I'm going to double check the sewer and make sure that's reduced to say and I'll I'll
do that next. Um, but uh along the war, my mother, 89 years old, got a letter saying, "Go out and check your water pipe. We don't know whether it's lead, copper, or whatever.
And I'm like, she showed it to me. I'm like, wow. I'm like, how how would I even do this? I'm going to go rent a backhoe over at Home Depot, dig down, and find out. Most of the I have homes where the water meter comes in the house to where
the water meter is there and there's a pipe and I could look at that pipe and say, "Yeah, it's what it is." because that's this that's a bit of a standard in the US that that it works at that way. Ours is in the street. And what I think you're asking for is the pipe from
not the service to the meter at the at the verge >> from the street the water pit to the house. >> Right. >> I think you want to know that, >> right? That's correct. So like there's no way I could even do it
because mine comes up under the house and comes up and then it transitions. I go to galvanize. So the if I went and just checked lead, does that mean that they're going to come in with some grant and like replace my pipe and everything? That's the best
thing to do where I don't know what to we we really can't >> check what's the intent of that. How how would a homeowner check the pipe metal? There's some photos, like six photos given of what they look like. >> But to the left of me, I couldn't figure
it out. And my mother's asking me. I'm like, I'm the good son. I want to do it. But uh when they put the meters in, have they no records of what they what fitting they used to connect the meter to the pipe that came from the house? That's the first thing that came to my mind.
>> Yes, they do. So wouldn't they what do you >> They don't have it on every house, but they do have a large percentage of it. >> Every every all the work that's done now, there's like a bible of every little fitting. It's all known, >> but some some of them go back too far. They may or may not have that
information. >> So So I I did a lot of this. >> We're going by the the guidelines by by the state of New Jersey. >> Yeah. So they're not clear. >> I mean, uh it was >> you need assistance. I had it with me up until a short while >> here. Here's the thing. I I did a lot of
this work myself in my own career, lead pipes, big facilities and stuff and often um it was because the water service came from the main pipe to the house and they put a lead section in. It would only be like 2 ft to 10 ft because
there was settling and stuff and they wanted it to be flexible. So that's where the lead is. So even at the house I wouldn't be able to do. If if we feel that the house is so old that we think it might be lead, is it okay just to check that box? I mean, it it doesn't seem like there's a it seems like the
most cautious way of approaching the whole thing. So, >> call Josh. >> You would call the water department assistance >> cuz only certain houses got this, I imagine. Not everybody. >> Everyone in the bar. >> This was just the second round of letters. >> Wow.
>> Yeah, that was a mistake. >> I I couldn't figure I'm just letting I couldn't figure it out. So, I'm going to check lead box. Um, >> the state of New Jersey is viewing galvanized and lead as the same thing. >> So, if if you're galvanized or lead, the state of New Jersey will require you to replace the water pipes.
>> Oh, that's another part. >> Mhm. >> All right. I'll check >> says it in plastic. So, you know, it just doesn't seem like I the homeowner can figure it out. >> Just call the water right on there. is call for assistance.
>> Oh, okay. Okay. Um, the other thing I >> I mean, you've asked the right question, Chuck. The state of New Jersey mandated this. >> Did the state of New Jersey pay a dime to any of the homeowners or the >> They did replace I believe in Jersey City, every connection they went and dug
up and they did it up there. In certain cities and towns, they they actually paid to do it all. So, I I know that, but uh not in Seaside Park. Um the uh we had a I believe a one of the uh power poles went down. It broke or something like that.
>> No, that was not a power pole. >> It wasn't a power pole. >> It's not a power pole. You have to look at the marking on the pole. >> Okay. >> It's a phone company poll. >> A phone company pole. >> Then it also has um the Wi-Fi on top. So they even you don't even need to look at
the poll cuz any poll with the Wi-Fi would be a Verizon poll. Okay. So, um I just wanted to say I had a poll in front of my house and it was all rotten in the bottom and I called the uh JCPNL. They came out and they changed it.
>> The poll is still there. The cable company hasn't switched over. >> So, is that something I have to chase down or is there like a list that the town manages for polls? And and the other thing which I think is very important is what I found out about
these is that they regularly go out and they hire a company to check the poles the integrity. Correct. They drive a a bolt through this tester and the torque and they find out if it's rotten or not. Then they put I believe it was a yellow tag on it if it's really bad and then
they do nothing. They do nothing. So if if I would suggest maybe the town could get a list of all the ones that are yellow like bad. It's what was it? >> You're on your five minutes. >> Oh. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Um, sum it
up. Sum up is that these the people that change that cross the traffic, the police officers in the summer in the crescent, they they sit in mud. And I think it would be a good idea if if we could put pavers in right where they are for those officers that sit there every
day. Something we could do this winter and it would be make the place a lot nicer if just a little paved 10x10 area. So they're not sitting there in mud in the summer. >> Thank you. >> Any other public comments? Hearing none, I would close the public
hearing. I entertain a motion from council. >> I make that motion. >> Motion by council president Ro. >> I'll second. >> Second by council member Connor. Roll call. >> Council president Ro. >> Yes. >> Council member Connor. >> Yes. >> Council member C. >> Yes. >> Council member Pratt.
>> Yes. >> Council member Matunda. >> Yes. Motion approve. >> Thank everyone for coming out this evening and have a supposed to be a good weekend ahead.