It's uh October 21st, 2025, 5:30. We're going to start this by asking the mayor to lead us in the pledge. And in case you're good, please stand with me. Lord, thank you once again for the wonderful city that we live in. Thank you for the staff that keeps it running
smoothly. We ask that you give council good guidance tonight to make sound and right decisions. Uh we ask that you watch over our first responders as they protect us on a daily basis. As we're getting to our season, we're seeing more and more traffic and more people coming down. We ask that you just keep blessing
us with the people that are coming and everything that's done and everything that's happened to our city. We we ask that we all do we do all in your name, Jesus Christ. Amen. Pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, mayor. Can you uh find out who's here?
Here. Bishop here. here. Here, here. Stewart. All right. Uh, announcements and business from the audience. Just a reminder, if anybody wants to speak on anything that's not on the agenda, if you could talk to Clerk Haley, pick out
a form and, uh, we'll get to you pretty soon. So, mayor's report. Uh, several things happened since the last meeting and got a few things coming up, but the sea service museum had a 250 Navy birthday. They, uh, had a pretty good afternoon. Um, a lot of people
attended that. Um, no rain. So, we had the first Hispanic heritage uh event. Uh, thanks to Jerson and Shannon. Uh, we appreciate what they did and put on. It was uh on North Commerce or South Commerce in Tublock area and it was really it was really pretty cool event.
So, um, White Cane Day came and went again. I think that was the seventh or eighth time we had White Cane Day. So, appreciate what they do. We had a new business open up downtown, Circle Sweets on South Rididgewood. So, if you all want to go see get some candy or some
trinkets and that stuff, uh John Bugos had opened that up. And so, hopefully we keep seeing a little more and more that are coming, little unique shops like that. Um today, uh the county had done a resolution or a proclamation for our
public information officers and Hannah was there. And I'm sorry we didn't make it, Hannah, but thank you for representing us and doing a good job that you do in keeping our public informed. You do a great job. Thank you. Let's see events we have coming up. We have
Halloween on the Circle coming up uh next Friday, a week from Friday on the 31st and then the art festival is on the following Saturday. That's pretty much all I have to report. Um my other agenda item is appointment of the Historic Preservation Commission.
Um we unfortunately we lost two of our members Jame Jim Pard and Marie Bolley both passed away. So we have vacancies, two vacancies. We did receive three applicants on it for James Dean, Tanya Khan, and Casey Skipper. This will be for four-year teams uh terms. My
recommendation is uh these they're all great choices, but I think we've got Tanya Khan and Casey Skipper both have families that have been here since pretty much day one. That's sering and that's my recommendation. So I forward that to the council for your approval unless you have an objection.
So we're looking for a motion here. So the motion motion will accept what the mayor second. Got a motion in a second. Any input from the audience? Any other comments here? Yes. Yes.
Yes. Yes. Thank you for your application, James. Anything else? That's all I have. Now, we're going to move over to the council members concerns, comments, and leaison on reports. Start with uh Carlo.
And I just wanted to thank Hannah. I was able to be there today. So, um and November 1st through 7th is um public information officers week. So, that we should um you know, make sure. you do a great job with um all things communication. I mostly see the social media part, but um but great job. So, we
appreciate your work and I just have to give a shout out for our county commissioners because their meetings are far more exciting than ours. So, um most of the time. Yes. So, I appreciate all that their the county commissioners are doing as well. So, I was able to sit through most of the meeting and um it was it was
entertaining and and insightful. Thank you. No report. And I just want to echo the same thing. Thank you, Hannah. It's a lot of time to thankless job and I know how much you put into this. I think I have an idea of sometimes how much you put in, but I know there's a lot that goes on behind
the scenes. It's a lot very meaningful. Some days are easier than others. So, thank you. We got one other thing coming up on the 24th of this month. It's Friday is a dedication of the post office from the by the state to honor Tommy Maguire who
most of you know is an ace that's was born and raised in Sebring. So they're going to name the post office after Tommy. Um Senator Scott Franklin will be here. So if you're available on the 24th, I believe it's at 12:30. I was going to say noon or 12:30.
So but uh it's a pretty big honor. So and then to have uh Scott Franklin here also. Thank you. Going down to the consent agenda or we're going to be asking to pull uh item 8G which is the general mowing contract.
Uh pulling that and having separate discussion on that. That's the general ming. Sorry. So looking to uh looking for a motion make a motion we accept the consent agenda of polling G.
Second. Any uh comments from the audience? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. All right. Thank you. Uh let's go to item 8G. I just want to discuss it. Um
we got six bids and um Jack's in the audience. He's had it for like 20 years and if he's done a good job, uh, his bid's not that much higher and he knows where everything's at. U,
he's done a good job. So, I would recommend that we give him the bid. Comments. So, and I'm glad that Well, you pulled it from the the agenda. I was also going to pull it from the agenda. Um, just for
for transparency, my brother is Havery Property Services. For the record, I'm Havery Services, so let the record show my business came before his business. But either way, my brother bid on it. Um, and the the client who or the the contractor who was awarded the bid. Um,
it's also one of my clients. So, for those two reasons, I'm going to have to stay for this vote. Okay. I have no issue. Okay. I'll make a motion that we accept Jack's lawn and landscaping for
was that amount and he's here with some facts. I think 9,546 a month. He's been doing it for years. He knows what it costs to do it. You know, you think, huh?
Not giving it to the low bid is tough, right? They're not giving it to the low bid here. Well, the purchasing policy allows if you um you have a preference if you are within the city limits, your business address or if you're in the county that
you get the local preference and that's 5% for the county. Llam was not the low bid, but they were offered uh based off of this preference. Would they agree to except the low bid cost of $7,625
and they said they would. It's my understanding also that Steve Flam Bush Hog has met with Steve and has gone around to all the properties in the city to
a ride along. Could you explain the part? Unless there's, you know, we have a new purchasing policy. Maybe there's something in there that I'm not thinking of at the moment, but generally speaking, when you put out a set scope of work, they submit sealed bids, you go
with a the lowest bid, unless there's some concern about the ability to of that bidder to perform the work. Maybe that maybe it's too low and it's not commercially reasonable to do it for that price. I don't know that that's a concern here that they didn't in information that they were required to
turn in. Generally, you have to give it to the to the low bidder as long as they did everything that they should have done. Now, you don't have to stick with low bid as long as they're not providing satisfactory work.
So, we bound to going with low bid. I don't know of a reason. I I get that Dex has been doing it a long time. No concern or qualms of the work that he has done over the years. I just don't I don't see a haven't heard
a reason other than we like Jacks to to disregard the apparent low bidder that's with the preference willing to do it for the price that the earned and landscape group proposed. [Music]
I said Jack's done a great job. I think you economically look at the difference on this is about $24,000 a year. So it's a substantial amount. Could you state your name for the Yes. Jack Darmo, owner of Jack Landscape?
Thank you. I want to state that I was doing it for just about 10,000 a year a month and I went down 12,000 a year. I went down $1,000 a month because I've been here so long and I know the job and you know things get somewhat you know
stuff you know and um so anyway I went down and you know these other guys I don't I know what I'm saying there's a lot there's over 160 pieces of that contract
there's a lot of stuff I made a motion. So, got a motion. Give me a second. I I guess I didn't realize that was a I didn't pick up that was a monthly price. Yeah, you could do it that year. Yeah.
Second. We have a motion for the the original bid as accepted. I move that we award the um the bid to Laflam Bush Hoging. Got a motion. We have a second. Is there
any input from the audience? Bishop. Yes. No. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yes. Okay. All right. That goes for the consent agenda. Uh there is no old business. Um
if there uh some new business, we have the ridge to river conservation plan. Mr. Ericson, if you want to give us that report. Looking forward to it. Okie do. Are we there? Hi everybody. Uh Sam Ericen. I'm a natural resources specialist for Highlands County. Thank you very much
for having me tonight. Um I just wanted to introduce the um Rich River Conservation Planning Study. If y'all aren't aware, it is a community-based um conservation program that the county has contracted with the North Florida Land Trust with the hopes of putting
six pallet to create a conservation plan or a conservation program in the county. We have um a couple community workshops next week targeting the three municipalities and of course everyone in out outer Highlands County. The Sebring
meeting will be October 28th from 6:00 to 7:30 at our board of county commissioner um chambers from 6:00 to 7:30. Avon Park, we will be holding that on the 29th and the Avon Park Community Center, same time. And then Lake Placid
will be at the HL Bishop Park on October 30th. All of those are from 6:00 to 7:30. We will be having an online component as well. We know we have a very large seasonal population. Um, so around that time we will have essentially a video recording of the presentation as well as a polling that
can go along with it that will be open for about two weeks to get as much community input as possible. The community input at these workshops are critical because we will be asking the residents to essentially create the conservation program themselves. Um, I
do have a couple maps that are fairly far down the PDF file that I shared. Um well this one here or the RF? Yeah, that's some of them. So we have um
we have about seven maps and essentially at these at these workshops um We'll be asking residents to rank their conservation values. So, for example, if you're um incredibly passionate about water quality or threatened endangered species, you'll come up, you'll put a sticker on what you want to rank and
then we'll pull everything at the end and we'll create a ballot referendum language from this exact polling. So, we already had a couple meetings um with our subject matter experts as well as at the board um workshop that we held last
March or this March. Um and if we were just to take that polling just to give you example, our ballot referendum language would focus on surface water quality um the most vulnerable habitats as well as existing farms and ranch lands that are um most vulnerable to to
development. So that is what we residents would essentially be voting on in 2026. So we hope I mean you guys don't have any questions. That's pretty much all I have. We hope to see all of you out there or some of you out there and as many sebringers or sing nights
I'm not sure what we call ourselves um at the meeting next next. Thank you Mr. Ericson. Any comments from council? Anybody have any questions from the audience? How much can I ask you just a question as far as how much
acres do you think will be are you shooting for for conservation? We we don't have a um like a percentage goal. Um one of the things that has been going around is what is too much and that's a that's a valid um concern to have because you know we also need to
sustainably grow and develop this county as well. Um, right now if you include Avon Park Air Force range, we're about at state average. Um, but in talking with with Buck, what is what is that number? Uh, 32%. Okay. Total land coverage. Um but when you're
talking with Buck and other people at DoD, um they have advised us to to take that out of of our conservation acreage because at any point, you know, military action or military protocol could change and the recreation or the conservation lands would become essentially a new
bombing range. Um so if you take Avon Park Air Force range out, we're at about 25% totally. So a little under below um state average. I do also want to preface that this is a willing seller. This is a completely voluntary program. Um, you
know, my my house would never come up, but if my house comes up on a heat map, there's nothing added on to what I can do or can't do to my property. If you want to sell for conservation or or put a conservation on your property, then you would spit an application if we made it that far and then you would be ranked
um again based on community impact. What kind of uses are allowed on property as designated as such? Um so if for fee simple it would um it would essentially become a public park. Um the county manages 1400 acres
including the Sun Lake Preserve. Um so it would just essentially become another county park for for county residents. if it's conservation easements um you know if it's a citrus um land that would stay in citrus with you know we're just essentially buying property rights from
or development rights from those those I have I have a question is there any so if you take the citrus that's being pushed you know tens of thousand acres at a time is there any kind of program that would help replant that and to scrub
yeah I mean if if if um we actually have some um land owners down south in Lake Placid um Ket Groves they are doing that exact same thing where they've partnered with NOS's and he's turning I believe 100 acres of um fow citrus fields back
into scrub habitat so I mean we've lost um over 90% of the lake will ridge so if you know if someone wants to sell orange groves um and try to rehab it into a zero coup instead it's been done before and I think we
have perfect and uh I'm easily reached at the county and we also have a website page um specifically for this so if you want to watch the board workshop if your board cleaning the house come visit um next week please do thank you very much
again thank you for being here okay this is from the audience we have one Mr. Black ready for you. Mr. Blackman's here to talk about uh some of the golf course and some other RFPs. So, you have the you have the
floor. Council members, staff, attorney. Good evening. I'm Jim Blackman. My family owns Harter Hall Resort. I'm here today to address rumors circulating through the grapevine that RFP for the municipal golf course may be launched
before the end of the year and to share where we stand on this process. Since the dis the September 16th meeting, the outpouring of community support for us has been incredible. Restoring such an iconic landmark has allowed us to meet
and hear from countless residents who share our vision for Sebring's future. We are deeply grateful for their encouragement. To be clear, we fully support a public RFP. We want transparency, fairness, and an open process for any potential disposition of
the course. We're ready to participate. At that same September 16th meeting, the city council and city attorney rightly raised legal and procedural concerns, noting that this is one of the most important decisions in a century for Highlands County. We couldn't agree
more. That's why we were alarmed to hear an RFP might be issued over the holiday season when many are traveling and the government slows down. A rush timeline vis benefits no one. We also watched the October 7th meeting regarding the former
women's club RFP, an RD idea we originally proposed. That parcel is crucial for public waterfront access and deserves thoughtful consideration. Also, meanwhile, the power station RFP from 2023
remains unresolved. Our family and Blue Sky Development were the only respondents. Yet nearly three years later, no action has been taken. So with unfinished RFPs, legal issues, and the biggest decision this council would will
ever make, what's the rush? We are major stakeholders and taxpayers in Sever. We want what's best for the community and for this council to avoid the kind of negative publicity or legal issues that have plagued other municipalities. Issuing an RFP during the holidays would
not serve transparency or fairness. It could discourage participation and it does not give the city attorney and council enough time we think to establish clear and legal procedural parameters. 45 seconds. We I've got we respectively
cons suggest opening the RFP after the holidays with a 90-day window and clearly defined expectations ensuring a level playing field for all respondents. To be clear once again, we will participate in a public open process. We
encourage it, but it must be done right in the sunshine and accessible to everyone. A decision this significant cannot be rushed. After three years of discussion, waiting a little longer to ensure it's done properly is the responsible choice.
Mr. How much time do I You have 8 seconds here. Anything else you want to say? Thank you all. Mr. Blackwood, I've never I haven't heard that. What about the rushing through the Okay. I just hadn't heard it.
That must just be a room. Thank you for bringing that to our attention. All right. There is no more uh business from the audience and there is no city attorney's business. So go ahead Scott with your city administrator business.
Evening council. Agenda item 13A is a utility service agreement for 1294 Cine Parkway at your September 16th meeting. Council table this to the October 21st meeting that recommends one of the following
options table until we have a full council present. Approve the requested utility service agreement. Deny the requested utility service agreement or any other option you deem appropriate. council thoughts. So, I'm I'm the one that pulled it that
meeting and tabled it. Um I mean, if you look up uh who owns the property, it would assume I would assume that it's going to be used for, you know, some form of self storage. Um in my opinion, that is not the best use for that piece of property.
That's essentially on the gateway to the city. Um they will be most likely be annexed into the city at some point. Um, I hold the opinion that these storage facilities are just popping up everywhere. Um, they really produce no
foreseeable jobs or potential employment. Um, they're just kind of there. I think that would be a much better use for something that could better serve the public. So, that that's why I pulled it that day and that's my
opinion. I agree. So with that being said, I move that we deny the requested utility service agreement. Second. We got a motion and uh we got a second. Is there any uh discussion from the audience?
All right. U so I guess the only thing I would have to add to the if we deny it, I there's a chance that they can still put on put their own they can do whatever they want. I mean they're in the county too. They're in the county. But I mean if we don't give we don't supply them, we
wouldn't get that revenue. If they do right now, even if they get access to the city, there's nothing really stop. How much water are they really using? It's going to be one bathroom for an office.
If there is an office, may that may not even be manned. Right. That's what I was going to say. Most of them have keypads now where they don't even have staff on site, right? How much water are they actually using? If they have to anything to irrigate, they're going to draw a or drill a small
shallow well for $3,500. There's already a well on our property, I think. Probably a big one. I don't I I don't think it's big, but I think one there. So, how much how much revenue are we
generally going to get? Yeah, I could see it both going both ways, but I see your point. I just don't see it providing anything for the advancement of the city. Feel the same. Yeah. So, I second. So, we got a
question. We got a second. Any more discussion on this? Uh, is nothing from the audience? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. All right. That gets us to 13B.
Well, 13B is kind of based upon the outcome of 13A. So, I'm going to make an assumption or presumption at this point we're denying the request of 13A that 13B
is going to be denied as well. So, do we need a motion on that or is that one of the same? I'll take you can take no action or you can have a motion. Second to deny it if you'd like. I think let's go ahead and concrete it. I move to deny the request for the installation of two fire hydrants.
I'll second that. Okay. Got a motion. We have a second. Is there any comments from the audience? Further comments here? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
Scott project report. Unless any of you have questions about what two three first five bullet points, we'll move on down to Illinois Pondweed. We did meet with um FWC uh at Veterans Beach. We actually didn't
actually go out on the lake. Um they're taking the position that the Illinois pawned is good for the lake. It's helping theory keep it from being impaired. I guess we got a couple years
where it hasn't been declared impaired. Hoping that this year will be as well. And so they don't see this point in time and they're just
They say it was cleaned up already. It's actually So, do we take action ourselves? Do we have that ability or do we does it do we even need to I don't know if there's anything we can
do with FWSC. I'll let Mayor but um take action on the lake ourselves. I assume we would have to get some type of permit to get a permit through them to reduce it. And it is starting to take
over. It's you go down to City Pier Beach. You can see it out in the middle there. You go down kind of on this end of the lake. I mean, it's it's all over and it's creeping up on the other side of the lake now. So, the biggest concern that I have, you know, and I agree, we want a fresh lake. We want a good clean
lake. To be not an impaired lake, which we had been an impaired, you have to have three out of five years of good quality water. Well, we've had two out of the four years are testing again this year, which we should. And my question to them was, well, how much do you let
this thing go if you've got a clean lake because Lake June, it it took over that lake and they had a lot of issues and they had to put grass cart back in there to get rid of it. It turned a piece soup. We've already been down that road. We've been down there one time and we don't need that again. So, it's the
biggest and we've got a lot of and I'm not a lake expert, but on the um 27 side, you can see the vegetation growing back. And I think that's a big plus, too, is that that's the natural vegetation where they claim that this is natural to the state of Florida and to
Lake Jackson that it's been in there before. And I've lived on there since 93 and have never seen it. You talk to people that have been on there for a long time. it goes way back to the dinosaur or something like that that it was there. So there's a point that I feel that it
impairs it impairs the usability of the recreational side of that lake and to take that away and you get you know even one of the guys said that he drove into a patch of it and it shut the motor off and then somebody had a and I didn't
verify this but somebody took a seedu through it and sucked up the pondweed and it grows. It's prolific growing and the action I think is we write the letter a letter to the FWC again but I think it's almost we have to get our
state legislators involved in this or at least notify them and then educate the public who is also hopefully going to notify um other individuals because I I think it's I mean you can see on that lake it it's growing like a
weed you know behind Majest Illinois more than triple the size. It's huge. And their their reference was you can get a permit to cut a 50ft path out to clean water. Well, I think the difference between what happened with
Lake June and the difference is our we have a shallow water lake. I think the deepest hole is 27 feet and that's just one spot. It's average I think is 17 feet deep. So, we have a very shallow lake that that we can and and like I said, I'm not an expert on this thing, but
that we can grow pretty fast and and take over the lake where Lake June is 60 to 80 feet or something like that. I mean, it's a pretty deep lake and um you know, and and it's it's growing like like a pond weed.
John, I grew up here and I don't ever see it. Yeah. And you would you would know because you can tell the kind of weed this is. It's totally different than a grass. It's a little purplish type. But I've never seen it. Not, you know, I
played in that lake a lot and and if we're not impaired, how do you say just let it keep going? You know, and and the one gentleman had made the comment about, you know, it takes over 80% of the lake and it's it's at what do they say 17% or 7%.
7% is what? 7% is what they're saying right now. But, you know, he had talked something up to 80% it could take over. So, unless I heard him wrong, but it's pretty much I don't know if you heard that same comment, Scott. Yeah, I think he was using 80%. It's just a number.
I know, but he used it, but he they didn't put a number on what was acceptable, right? Well, they won't they say it's just going to keep the lake clean. You know, it'll bring back the fish population. Have to start building that. Going to have to go. They were
definitely a proponent of Did you mention that if it does get to that certain percentage of taking over that they would cover the cost to mitigate it or would that be on us? No. So that was not discussed. Yeah, I think I I think they mentioned introducing
carpet cur. The problem with that is talked to Greg Griffin about it. He says it will kill the other vegetation, right? Yeah. Because they're going to the carp are going to go after the other other vegetation.
The more tender the more tender that Yeah. Do they need to go back in history and see what happened out there 20 years ago? I mean, it's exactly what we did. But I don't think cleared it up. But
I think that was for Illinois. No, no, no. But it was for other items. Yeah. Their their counterargument to that was they released too many. Oops. Well, they were supposed to, from what I understand, you're supposed to have one
one carp per weed acre. And they had back 20 years ago when they did it, they established that there was 700 wheat acres. So they put one carp per acre. So they put 3,000 carp in that lake. And that's what made everybody's beaches really clean. So yeah, it was like
they lay up on the the whole the whole lake was a koi pond. They were everywhere. Yeah. That little summary and we don't need another carpet. It's just I think we just need to stay on it and write letters and recommendations.
When did you ever find out when they're going to have the water tested again? They indicated that it was going to be near, right? I think we need to find that out and find out if we're a non-impaired lake is to say, "Okay, now we need to we'll we'll hold where
we're at. We need to somehow establish how we're going to stop it from spreading." Yeah. Argument with this at our current level of not why are we right?
Is it like hydrilla? If you get it, go around the lake and you drop a piece of it. So, Oh, yeah. It breaks off and it'll grow someplace else. It wouldn't take long to take off. No. Especially you get a boats running through it. A lot of people don't know that it's even out there
and somebody hits it. You You break that off and it'll just drip. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Go down to if you want to see it, there's a patch down at uh City Pier Beach in the middle. Those guys when we had the moto surf thing they their trail
went right through it and thank god those things were skimming on top of the water so didn't damage that but it wasn't a seedu type thing but it's it's coming so we'll just stay on top of it and talk to
any kind of other consultant there other than Greg to push this FWC isn't really going to move on Is it I don't want to get too far gone. Sounds like we're at a point now that we at least maintain it a little bit.
I think that'd be a great idea. be a good idea. So, thank you. We'll do that. Do you want to announce who our lobbyist is? I don't think we did that last did we or last. Yeah.
I think that was on the consent agenda. I don't think we announced it, did we? Anyways, we do have a lobbyist now. Yes, we engaged lobbyist Ken Puit who was a legislator at one point in time and it's
a small firm and I think he's going to be very dedicated to us. Talking to Jared about it already and they've already done a lot for us, provided a lot of education and insight. So, we're so far it's going really well. Very thankful for it. Will we have an opportunity to meet with
him? Yes. Yes. be here. Also, probably going to encourage each of you to visit with our legislators.
Okay. Anything else that you have, Scott? Um, I do want to talk about one other thing um that's not on that agenda. So, there's a mural which was a centennial mural.
It's on a privately owned building. There is a vacant lot in front of it. The question is, do we want to try to preserve that mural? What's the cost? Property owner. So,
so we've gotten a couple quotes. Um, I got my lowest quote so far has been about for $5,500. That's the RV to it. Is it 5,500? 5,500. That's the lowest quote was 5,500. Is that
55? The tenant, I believe it's the tenant or the property owner has gotten a 5050 with CRA.
And I think $1,700 to paint that wall total. Totally. So to just paint it, just trace it or fill it in. Painted just paint of the building. Yeah. Correct. I don't know. I think it's an an
important piece. It was done, you know, our 100th anniversary and it was done by James Han who was a local artist for a while and he's moved off somewhere. Um, you know, the biggest one of the concerns that comes up is that there's a vacant lot in front of it. What if
somebody buys that lot, put a building up? But I don't think that's going to happen for a few years. It's not to put a building up there is a pretty small parcel. But I think it's I think it's worth a little bit of the history and you know
what what's done. the property owner, they're just asking permission to paint over and ask the CRA to cover the cost. So, they're not really looking to they're doing a facade grant. Yes. They're going to split the cost. They're doing a facade just to cover it though. Correct. That is correct.
So, here's here's my question. If So, have they been approved for the 50/50 or it's just they they're proposing that? Okay. So, if they've been approved for up to $1,700 contribution, if the city puts forth $3,800
to cover the difference, I think the total cost was 1,700. So, they got they're paying 50% of that. So, it's only Right. But 5050, so 1,700 total, correct? No. Well, the building owner and Right. So, there those two entities are
covering $1,700. And if we put forth the 3,800 to get us to the 5,500 without get us the mural. You see what I'm getting at? Yes. So we have a three-way. Is the property owner willing to do that or do they want to paint over it?
Do they have the option? They the right to paint over it. Correct. I believe in discussions with the property owner to that. He's put it on hold. Okay. So he's willing if the cost could be covered, correct?
He doesn't want to cover those costs and apparently the CRA didn't want to cover the entire cost if the three-way situation um is possible to where it cost us 3,800 instead of the full 5,500. I'd entertain
that. We see they could just do straight 50 for a 33. They do their 50/50 on painting it white or whatever and then we cover the difference between that number and 5500. I'm saying but if we're going to repaint the the mural or do something different
partly to do it that way, could we just offer do a third a third and a third total? Yeah, we can ask them. You can ask them. But if I was tenant in the thing, I'd say no. I'm going to spend my $800 $900 and paint it.
I think they should have some skin too. Yeah, but they Their skin is to say we just want to paint it over. They can't. They can, right? But I think if we do what Roland is suggesting, I think there's a pathway to get it
refurbished. There's not many murals out there that aren't private buildings. Well, there are, but we're going to have to take care of the ones that HGTV did. So, that's another issue. I think that that is a concern, too. the plan for those ones moving forward with HGTV.
How does Lake Placid fund their murals? They do it through past they've done it through an association. I think they handed that off to chamber. Okay. So can you determine can you ask where
that if we cover the above the 1700 for the art you check know if it's even I think it's worth having a conversation I understand Carl's point setting a precedent um but somebody's going to have to maintain these things right
it may be a good precedent because at least we're not paying If we can get some of that covered by the property owner, you know, then maybe it's a good partnership, that would be a good president rather than us just paying 5500 that
they're also the hard the hard thing I have is just we're volunteering our dollars to they didn't ask for for doing that other than just cut the cost with the if they're repeatable to that. We need to figure out some way to to
maintain. We need to maintain preserve these. I think if we just start I think they're important part of our cities, especially that one and the ones that No, you got an individual that paints the building themselves and that's their issue. It's like on the corner of Gus's building,
that mural on there that that person that owned that building painted that, you know. So I don't think that's our responsibility for that, but something that the city had commissioned to do and paid for at that time. What I believe and then the stuff that HGTV's done, I
think those are important to important to our city to maintain that and not just say the hell with it. Let's chip the side of the building off and paint it over. I think that's our responsibility. Well, taxpayer dollars, CRA dollars, and
HGTV dollars went into those. Correct. those murals that were done. So, right, how often do they have to be preserved? What I mean, what's the qualifier for that? Not qualified to answer that question. Yeah. You know, they do they do try to put
sealers on them now, but we've had to touch up one down this month. It depends on how much sun we get. Who who I'm going to start spitballing here. We're getting out of control. But who
paints the Sadicon Park mural? So that's on a privately owned building originally 10. The touchup was done. Well, who who who paid for it?
The city paid for it as a condition of him donating that car to be a public park. Got it. But it's on a privately owned building and so are the HGTV is a risk we take though. I think it's an important part of our community.
So Scott, you go talk and see if they're willing to make deal or cover some of the costs, whatever that looks like. Anything else that you have on your list? Um before we get to Kathy's two, uh I just want to start abstaining from these
two, looking through all the bills that we're paying, looking through who I work with. Um so from this point on, I think it's just better and safer for me to payment bills even though it's one of my favorite things. Well, you have to state I think you have to state
the necessary list. So, with that being said, Kathy, can you uh pay bills? Second. I did that. Thanks. Got a motion. We got a second.
Anything from audience? I think that was uh Scott's report. So, just giving us update on that. So, we're just working on it that they're they're in progress. We're in progress for the golf course and women's club.
Yes. Yes. Same. Yes. Yes. We're done. Thank you.