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Good evening everybody. The big clock on the wall says it is 6:00. So, welcome to the June meeting of the Simino County Board of Adjustment. Uh, for those of you in the audience who've not been to one of our meetings before, please allow me just a few minutes here to share our
normal procedures and then we'll get started. Uh, staff will introduce each item for consideration. If there's a matter that you would like to speak on, uh, and you're not the applicant, uh, there are forms in the lobby for you to fill out. And if you could please, uh,
indicate on there which item you want to speak on. and uh on which side for or against you are. We'd appreciate it. And and after you do that, uh please just bring it down to the clerk seated to my left. When each item comes up, the applicant will be heard first and those
in opposition to the request will be heard next. Uh and if the circumstances call for it, then the applicant will get a chance for rebuttal. Uh we do ask that comments be restricted to just what's at issue. We don't get into homeowners
association things or neighborly disagreements or anything like that. If you're an individual, you'll have three minutes to share your thoughts. If you represent a group, and I mean a real group, you'll have six minutes to share your thoughts. Uh speaker should move
closer to the podium when their item is being presented by staff. Uh please identify yourselves uh for the record into the microphone there when you speak uh sharing with us your name and your mailing address. uh each speaker we ask be given
courteous uh attention and that we all uh treat each other well here. Uh the board may ask questions of anybody of staff of folks in supportive opposition or the applicant themselves. Any information you share with us is kept
and made part of the record. And if anything you bring on a digital device, uh we have cameras that can help you share that. But we ask that you after the meeting send a copy to staff so that stays in the record as well. Uh when all of that is finished, I will then close
the floor to discussion. I'll ask the ask uh the entire board for a motion. We might chat about it for a bit or we might go directly to the vote. uh during the voting any of us who you do not hear cast a vote yes or no uh
that that person is deemed to have voted in favor of of the matter. Uh any person who is agrieved by a decision of this board you have 15 days to file an appeal to the board of county commissioners and after the meeting staff can help you
with that process. So having said that, number one, please. Number one is a continuence from our last meeting. It is 230 Waverly Drive. It's a request for a rear yard setback from 30 ft to 5T. This is located in the Highland Pines unit 3
subdivision. The structure will be 440 square feet um 20x 22. Since it is over 200 square feet, it has to meet the same setback, rear yard setback as the home. And this concludes my presentation. and I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. Thank you, ma'am.
Gentlemen, questions for staff. Seeing none, is the applicant here. Yes, ma'am. Please, if you could come to the podium, please. Yes, ma'am. And if you could move as close as you can to it. I understand with the No,
ma'am. At at the podium there. And if uh if you There we go. That's just it. and we might have some questions, but before that, do you have anything you'd like to add to what staff had shared? I didn't hear most of what she said.
And also, could you, for the record, please, uh, could you share with us your name and address? My name is Cheryl Ziggler, and I live at 230 Waverly Drive, Fern Park, 32730. Okay. What would you like to share with
us, if anything? Well, um I'm in dire need of a two V two vehicle garage and as I put down on the paperwork for many different reasons and um
and I've never been through this, so I don't know what to share. If you need reasons, I've got a whole list of reasons. Mhm. Well, well, share with us some of some of the most important ones. Some of the
most important ones is that I have a fence that backs up to Regency Apartments and people come over there. There's a picnic area behind my house on their property and they jump over the fence
and they steal from me. When I first moved into the house back in n I bought in 95 and in 1996, uh the previous owner had a wood structure out there at like a like a
work uh place cuz he did a lot of the uh work on the house himself. And I stored an $800 mower I had just purchased, but there was no door, no locks or anything like that on it. And about six months
into my stay, everything was stolen out of it. And um I ran a report on uh with clue which has to do with uh insurance claims on that house. And it's only for
the house, not the owner. And it showed he he had quite a few burglaries. And I'm trying to prevent that because I need to get everything out of my house to have it renovated. And for the past, I don't know, two or
three years or whatever, I've kept my mower inside my house in the family room. It's a $3,000 mo. I also brought a lot of police cards where they write down the case numbers when I ask them
for one, or some of them may even volunteer about some of these uh burglaries. They've even tried to break into my house. But um I have a grandson that says he doesn't mind coming to take
over the house when I pass. And that's one of the reasons um too that I'm here is because I feel like I might be a little bit more qualified to get this done if it's going to be done than he
would be cuz he's only 23 years old. And he's got two babies and one on the way. And I wanted it to also be a safe place for the babies to have like a hurricane
or tornado shelter in the garage. And I understand from a friend that I had up in still have up in Tennessee. It's like 18 or 20 something inch thick concrete. A little small room that would
protect all of them. And um he also wants to have I guess because of his schooling, we grew up in different eras um solar and he wants the EV charger for
an EV vehicle out in the garage. And when I moved into the house, I had a brand new car from Hal Magnamera down on 50 and uh Kirkman Road. I paid $38,000 for it. And after moving in the house
after a year or two, the paint faded. It was candy candy apple red. The sun faded. It the hail beatated up. There was pine cone magnolia cones next
door where I had to park that fell on the car. And somebody up to no good also smashed the passenger's mirror off of the front of the car. And I thought that
this would protect a vehicle for my grandson if he moves in to have an actual garage to lock it up and not go through what I went through. and um and I and he's expressed that to
me especially about the solar part and um and a safe place for the babies uh to go in and I have a very oddshaped
lot. It's like a baseball diamond. And I've also had a general contractor to come out and look at it to see where it would be best. And I showed him the covenants. As a matter of fact, he even
took a copy with him with my survey uh because he said it would do the job when I got the variance, if I got the variance. And um he had it uh laid out to where
it would encroach on like 5 ft of the setback but only had a very small area. Say like if this was the area right here, the building would go this way and
Yes, ma'am. We we've got drawings that show what you do. So we're we're aware of that. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. And um that's mainly it. And um you know, I just felt like it would protect my property a lot better
because I've had quite a few things stolen. I have a gazebo as well and I recently, like last year, I think it was someone took um an aluminum yard rake. That's about $90. I'm I'm I'm going to
be rude here and I apologize and and and certainly I hear that you've been through a lot of difficult things, but maybe just kind of keep our comments on this kind of particular shed. Okay. And and well, it's actually a concrete block. The garage. Excuse me. You're right. I'm sorry. Garage. Mhm.
Gotcha. All right. Well, um the members of the board, any questions for the applicant? Ma'am, one of the things that that we look for a lot of times is input from neighbors, whether they support what you're doing, which makes our job easy, or if they don't, we roll with that, too. Have Have you spoken to your
neighbors about this? I have spoken to each one on each side of me. Not across the street or down the streets, but right on just next door. Yeah. And and what are their thoughts? Go ahead. As a matter of fact, one that
lives up the street, I did her as well, uh, just because we were chitter chattering about it one evening as I was coming into the subdivision and she said it sounded like a very good idea and as a matter of fact, she was thinking about coming down here trying
to get one herself. What What do your next door neighbors think? Uh, my next door neighbor said they didn't mind what I put on my property, that it had nothing to do with them. That's basically what they said.
I got you. Thank you, ma'am. Uh, and and is you can go and sit down. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. Uh, anyone in the audience to speak in support of this matter? Anyone here to speak in opposition? Seeing none, I'll close the floor. You
you can go ahead and sit down, ma'am. Okay. Thank Thank you very much. What is the pleasure of the board? Move to approve. Motion to approve for Mr. Beley, a second by Mr. Wright. All those in favor? I opposed.
Enjoy your garage, ma'am. Enjoy your garage, ma'am. Oh, Lord. Number two. you you you can go home and get your contractor to apply for the Okay, number two. Good evening, Angie Gates
with Simol County Planning. Item number two is a request for a rear yard setback variance from 20 feet to 15 feet for a screen room in the PD plan development district located in the Retreat at Oregon subdivision at 984 Fall Creek Point. The proposed screen room addition will
be 648 square feet and will encroach 5t into the required rear yard setback. The rear of the subject property abuts a 10-ft landscape wall buff in a wall buffer easement. The retreat to Oregon homeowners association approved the applicant's request for the screen room
and there have not been any prior variances for the subject property. This concludes my presentation. Gentlemen, any questions for staff? Miss Gates, do we know, and I'm sorry I'm catching you flatfooted with this question. Do we know if we've granted variances for any other properties in
that neighborhood? There have been variances, but not of this nature. Gotcha. Gotcha. Thank you, ma'am. Is the applicant here? Is there anything you'd like to share, sir? Do you all have any questions for him?
That's fine. Thank you, sir. Uh, anyone here to speak in support of this matter? Seeing none, is there anyone in the audience to speak in opposition? Seeing none, gentlemen, move to approve. We have a motion to approve for Mr. Beley. We have a second from Mr. Wright.
Those in favor? I opposed. All right. Enjoy. Yes. Item number three is request for an accessory structure size variance from 955 ft to 1423.45 45 square ft for a
detached garage in the A1 agricultural district located in the Foxboro phase 2 subdivision at 188 steeplechase circle. The proposed detached garage will be 1,423.45 square ft exceeding the allowable size
by 468.45 square ft. There have not been any prior variances for the subject property. And this concludes my presentation. Thank you, ma'am. Gentlemen, questions for staff. Seeing none, is the applicant here?
Ah, yes. Please come on down. Hi. Yes, ma'am. If you start with your name and address, please. My name is Barbara Rodriguez, and my address is 188 Steel Chase Circle. Yes, ma'am. Please go ahead. Um my husband and I um moved in December of 1995 and um
few things have changed and my mother-in-law who's 81 um lives in another city. We're expecting her to have to move in with us in the very near future. We have a four bedroomedroom house so that's not a problem. The problem lies is that the four bedroomedroom house, the bedroom
that I would have for her has a lot of things that we cannot store in our current garage. Our current garage is um we could insulate it, but it doesn't have air conditioning. And there's items that we can't have with heat. So, my
husband um wants a workshop, so we went ahead and and um decided to put it in. Um we have the second smallest house in the neighborhood. Um we did that on purpose. We bought the house when we were in our 20s, so we made sure we
stayed within our budget. Um we the actual garage part of it is around 600 square feet which is within the 50% that is required from our house. The thing is is that we want porches on it
and what's pushing us over the 50% are all the porches. Um I have a a copy of the drawing if that'll help you visualize our porches. If you'd like it, if you'd like to share it, please do. here. Thank you. Yeah, because I think
all we have is just a site plan. And here's the the actual drawing. Mr. Chair, are we keeping these? Is this part of protocol or uh the clerk will keep one, but we can do whatever we want with our copies? I don't even copies.
Yes, we Let's just send it back to the clerk. I've never done a variance hearing, so I didn't know what you're doing. Excellent job. Don't you worry about it. Thank you. One of the other things is um my understanding for how the percentage
works is that they use the entire roof structure of the the accessory garage, but they only use the heated square footage of the actual house. So that makes the percentage even worse. It's
only calculated by livable area, right? The livable area, right? But if they use the same calculations on our accessory garage, it would be 600 ft, which would keep us within the 50%. Um, my understanding and is that if we
put a breezeway from the porch, not the porch, the accessory garage to the house, then it would be okay because it was attached. But it's so far away from our house that it's going to cost us my what I've been told is around $15,000 to
add a breezeway. And for what we want it for, we don't need a breezeway and we would rather not spend the money on the on the breezeway if we don't have to. Um there really hasn't been any objections. I brought a letter from an
email from my neighbor um the baby. And where where is that person's property in relation to yours here? Are they are they the ones just to the north? Um Oh. Um do you see if you're looking at
it to the right that little weird shape? That's a retention pond. They're in front of the retention pond. Was it where it says Was it 192 steeplechase? Or it says 192 steeple chase. 192. Gotcha. If it'll help, I bought a Oh,
no. That's good. Go ahead. We I think we've got it. But thank you. Okay. I also brought um some pictures. This is their view. Um Claire's view to my house. You can't even see my house from where they're at.
Um, I also brought pictures from the front of my house. You can barely see my house from the street. This is the view from around where the middle of where we want
to put the garages at that looks towards the back into the pud that was built behind us that are also on acres on a minimum of an acre lot. The main structure of their house which is quite large. It's amazing house. Um
it's blocked by trees. This one is my neighbor. Um, his one 184. That's what
from our backyard to his backyard what he would see question I have ma'am is and and if you've got more I'm sorry I don't mean to interrupt you. No, I'm good. You can is certainly a large parcel of property that you all own. U and for reasons I
could probably understand that you've kind of moved it to the northern edge there, I guess, to be close to the house, the main house. Um is your and and if you'd said this and I missed it, I apologize, but is your neighbor just north of you and and next door? Are they
okay with this? Yes. The sir 184. Well, who's whoever if you're looking for example at that map right there directly above you. Okay. The the Yeah, the one that's north of us. He's the one that just screamed yes. Gotcha.
Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. Thank you. And then the babies, of course, are the other ones. Gentlemen, any questions? All right. Thank you, ma'am. Sir, does that make you Keith? Yes. Would you would you like to share more?
Yeah. Well, come on down, please. I've got your I've got your form here, and I I'll give it to the clerk for you, but even though I have your form, if you could please share your name and address. Uh my name is Keith Claybornne, uh 184 Steeplechase Circle. I've lived
there since 1997. And what they're proposing is not unusual for our subdivision. We've got boat houses. We've got houses. Uh we've got separate uh structures all throughout the 50 or so lots. U probably
half of them have boat or RV uh structures already on the lots. So, uh this is actually smaller than quite a few of the other ones that are in steeplechase. So apparently I don't I
don't have any objection to it. She's showing me the pictures of what uh what they propose and and I fully support it. Thank you, sir. Yeah. If you have anybody has any questions, that's I think that's about as straightforward as you can be. Absolutely. Okay. Uh anyone
in the audience, anyone else in the audience to speak in support? Seeing none, anyone in the audience to speak in opposition? Seeing none, we'll close the floor. Gentlemen, move to approve. Move to move a motion to approve for Mr. Levant, second by Mr. Wright. Those in favor? I
opposed. Enjoy. Thank you. Number four. Item number four is a request for one, an east sideyard setback variance from 20 ft to 10 ft for a detached garage and two, a westside yard setback variance from 20 ft to 10 ft for an attached
pergola in the RC1 country homes district. in the Isisle of Windsor subdivision located at 28 Windsor Isle Drive. The proposed detach garage will be 200 square feet and will encroach 10 feet into the required east sideyard setback. The pergola will be 200 square
feet and will encroach 10 ft into the required west sideyard setback. Two letters of support were submitted by surrounding neighbors. There have not been any prior variances for the subject property. And this concludes my presentation. Thank you, ma'am. You're welcome. Uh any questions for staff? I
have one. Yes, sir. Um underneath the criteria, the homeowner had written that uh they're replacing want to replace a shed from the 80s to build a 10x20 detached garage. Um is that shed you seen anything on the history of that property for variances
on that? That is the location where they want to put the detached garage, but no, it's I couldn't find any. Um any other questions? Is the applicant here? Yes, sir. Anything you'd like to share? I'm there. Yes. Is there anything you'd like to add to what Steph had
said? Please come on down. Thank you. Just please share with us first your name and address. Yes, sir. Good afternoon, Bordon. My name is Matias Gomez. Uh my parents are the owners, Francisco Gomez and Jovanna Piti. Uh I'm speaking on behalf of them. I have lived
in that home for about five years, but I just moved into my own home in Valuchia. So, we've been working on trying to get this squared away and I've just kind of been working with the county for quite a few years now. So, I kind of knew the process and they just asked so I could work on behalf of them. And uh to start
off on the question about the shed, sir, when we bought the house about 7 years ago. We bought it in 2018. The shed was there and the per it was permitted in the 80s, I believe. And the shed is
deteriorating. The shed is a 14 by 12, so it is similar in size. The location that we wanted to put it, uh, it did pass the National High Watermark. It was all in line and and agreeable, but, uh, if it needed to be a little higher, we're we're okay with that. That that
doesn't affect us. We just wanted to replace it so the neighbor we wouldn't affect the neighbor. He said he didn't have a problem with it since they've been there since the 80s. And then my neighbor on the other side which is 26 uh they had a variance given to them. Both actually multiple houses in our
neighbor got variances given to them and we wanted to do on our side of our pool a pergula but we were actually going to put it inside the screened room in a screened area but it didn't fit. So they actually advised us to go ahead and try to apply for a variance because they
were awarded it and we thought maybe we we could do it and you know use the the side lot with the perlar that we have are looking to purchase a shed that's still standing after 45 years in Florida. That's impressive. So
barely barely. What is that thing made of? Gez. Good stuff. Any other questions for the applicant or any questions? Thank you, sir. Thank you. Have a good night. Is there anyone in the audience to speak in support of this matter? Seeing none,
anyone here to speak in opposition? Seeing none. Gentlemen, move to approve, Mr. Chair. Motion to approve. Is there a second? Second. Mr. Leavon seconded. Mr. uh Austin made the motion. All those in favor? I.
Those opposed. Enjoy. Number five. Item number five is a request for an east sideyard setback variance from 10 ft to 2 feet for a detached accessory structure in the R1A single family dwelling district in the
San Lando Springs subdivision located at 1735 Carlton Street. The existing structure is 780 ft and encroaches 8 feet into the required east sideyard setback. A code enforcement violation, violation number 25-76, was issued for
the structure, resulting in the necessity of this variance. Six letters of support and two letters of opposition were received from adjacent neighbors. There have not been any prior variances for the subject property. And this concludes my presentation. Thank you,
ma'am. I have a question for the county attorney, please. I should have given you a heads up and sorry to catch you flatfooted there. It's been a million years since I was in law school, but am I remembering correctly that there have been cases in Florida uh that people have built things
contrary to land development codes uh were not able to get variances or whatever government approvals were necessary and the government has forced them to tear them down. Am I remembering correctly? Uh I'm sure there are there is a plethora of cases out there that
deal like an entire apartment complex had to come down. Um, that sounds vaguely familiar. Um, but I I would I would have to to research that further. I don't want to speak off the top of my head, but that does sound vaguely familiar. It's kind of one of
the more notable uh cases. Yeah. But that that would be something that would be u a possibility if something like this is declined potentially. Yes. Gotcha. Thank you, sir. Any other questions for staff? All right. Uh, is the applicant here?
Yes, sir. Is there anything you want to add, sir? Yes, sir. And if you could please share with us just your name and address before we start. I am James Rezen at 1735 Carlton Street, Longwood. Yes, sir. So, I I put
this up with some bad advice from the people that sold me the building, and I probably shouldn't have listened to him. And then there was also a structure almost identical in the neighborhood that I went and talked to him about his before I put it up and he said he didn't
get a permit either and had problems. So, I I did it and I'm I'm sorry. I totally apologize. Um, our neighborhood has these structures all over it. I don't know if you saw in your packet, I put a whole bunch of
pictures in there. Uh, but at any point it's there. Um, at the worst you could make me move it over 10 feet and I would lose the garage
part of it, but that's not going to change the view from any of the neighbors whatsoever. Still going to look the same. Um, I'm here for a little mercy basically.
Got you. Thank you. I'm sorry. Go ahead. I thought you were done. Sorry. There's this uh within a few years there's a a house that put up a big threecar garage in the backyard and it's only about 5 ft from the back of the property line and
they were given a variance. Um we we did our best. I mean everybody that sees it has no problem with it but I guess somebody does. Um we got some letters. We got some people here tonight. Uh there's buildings all over Seino
County that are just like this. In fact, right here in Sanford, if you look at the historic district, almost every property has a garage on the back of it or a twocar garage apartment on the back of it that's a foot foot and a half from the line. And I know this because I own a
tent fumigation building company and I've tented half of them. And we know there's like this much room to get between the property line and and the building. But the biggest point is it's not going to look any different. Uh it's going to cost me a lot of money to tear it down.
I certainly don't hope that happens. This was a a dream for me to have a building like this at my age. I've been wanting one my whole life and uh just begging for some mercy at this point. Gotcha. Thank you, sir. Any
questions for the applicant? Thank you, sir. I I do have a letter from a neighbor that couldn't make it because he's a fireman for the Dan Fire Department. If you give to the clerk, please. Thank you, sir. Anything else? I don't. Were you able to look at the pictures
that I submitted with the Yes, sir. You're in our packet. Yes, sir. Yes. All right. Good deal. That's pretty much it. Color and everything. Yep. All right. Thank you. Is there anyone in the audience to speak in support of this application? Yes, sir. Whoa. Several of them. Uh, that's
that's an you guys decide amongst yourselves who's first and come on down. Take the lid off. You like the genie? Yes, sir. If you'd share with us first, please your name and address. Hi. Uh, I'm David Patton. uh 1780 Carlton Street
about uh six houses down from from Randy. Um I just wanted to to say I've had the pleasure of living in um San Lando Springs my entire life and um actually in 2019 um my wife and I we we bought the house that we currently live
in. We drive around it all the time and we we jog around the neighborhood. We see sim uh similar structures to this everywhere in the neighborhood. And not only the structures, but we also see RVs and boats and um things like that parked outside of people's houses that don't
have nice enclosures like the one that Randy is is trying to get a variance for. Um personally, I think that structures like these uh bring property value to the neighborhood and they look nice. Um and uh yep, that's all I got to
say. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Who would like to speak next in support? Hello. Uh, my name is Lauren Patton. I live at 1850 Barton Street. Um, I as well have had the pleasure of living in um, Rolling Hills or San Luna Springs
for 30 years. Um, and as David was saying, there are a lot of eyes in our uh, neighborhood. Um, but Randy structure is beautifully done. Um, and I think does nothing but raise housing uh values in the area. Um, so I would like I would love to see a property as
beautiful as Ry's um to and house the toys and um as opposed to some of the other neighbors have for their um property. So perfect. Makes sense. Thank you, ma'am.
who would like to also speak in support. Come on down. Hello, I'm Fred Haggins Jr. I live at 705 Andrews which is actually in the bottom corner of so my backyard backs up
to a side and personally and I've lived at Andrews for over eight years and seeing them move in when they did and what the status of the home looked like prior and what it looks like now. Unbelievably different. So much better. They take pride in what they do. If you
looked at the structures, you're going to see that it matches the entire home. The beautifification that they've done should not be touched. They've done an amazing job and our impeccable neighbors to be next to. So, personally, I I think it needs to stay.
Thank you, sir. You're welcome. Who else would like to speak in support? Please come on down. So, one of my neighbors, she didn't want to speak, but she's submitting her. And this is me. Gotcha. So, uh Dave Keaton,
394 South Press View Avenue. My home's in the top right hand corner. You can see my screen enclosure there way up there in the corner. That's my place. So I second or I just want the last gentleman up. That's that's what the observation is. They've really improved
the property. It's been great. And if it was an eyesore like the other gentleman said, it is color-wise, scheme wise, it kind of, you know, and and as stated, I don't know what the presents are, but we have lived there since uh 2005 in that house. And when I moved there, I noticed
that people do have uh a lot of RV and and carports and things like that. That's pretty common in that neighborhood. Actually don't know the rules. I just that's my observation. And as a neighbor behind the horizons, I don't support it. Doesn't it's not an
isore whatsoever. And as the gentleman said, when you take the overall uh footprint of the property, it's it's asset to neighborhood. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Any anyone else who would like to speak in
support? Seeing none written ones there. Yeah, I see I've got an opposition there. Opposition. Opposition. That's in favor. All right. So, seeing no no others wanting to speak in in in support. Um, anyone in the audience
who'd like to speak in opposition? Yes, ma'am. Please come on down. And I have I don't know if they're all here, but I've got one, two, three, four saying in opposition. Yes, ma'am. My name is Andrea Denkins,
1701 Carlton Street. My husband and I moved into our house, which is immediately immediately next door to the applicant for this variance. So, if we looked at that that what's over your shoulder just to the right, the red square, that's you.
Let me get my bearings here. We're at the corner of Press View. Yes. And the red square is you. The red the red square is you. See the first corner. If you kind of look on the right side of the drawing, ma'am, there's if you look on the right side of the drawing where there's the green and red properties.
Are you the red one there? We're the red. Yes, ma'am. Gotcha. All right. Thank you. So, that that property line that's between us, the whole thing from where it makes that jog down to the um southwest That's 150 ft.
Ry's got 200 feet deep and 150 ft wide. And you can see the corner of that garage right there on that other one that you just had a minute ago, the site plan, I think it was, or the plot. Anyway, he's got 28 feet from the edge of his garage to our shared property line.
Now, he came over, yes, right after we had moved in, about four months after we had moved in. We're We're the new people in the neighborhood. Bought the house. We've been doing extensive remodeling. Didn't expect any problems. Working on our stuff, not paying attention to
neighbors. He comes over and tells us he's going to put this RV shed up. Everyone's got one. Yeah, we've seen them. We know it. We expected he'd go down and get a permit, get permission to build it, and have it in compliance with the existing zoning regulations, which
call for a 10-foot setback. Several months go by, nothing happens. Then we see a shed or structure go up in his backyard on a Saturday morning and we figure, well, okay, he changed his mind. He's putting it over on the other side of his lot.
Didn't say anything about it. Come the end of the year, one evening, we hear all this noise out there. And we go in the next morning and there's people putting this 30 foot long by 12t tall shed 2 feet off our property line.
When we called him on it, he said, "Oh, we had told you about it. It's right where we said we're going to do it." No, he didn't say anything about putting it in a setback. He didn't say anything about encroaching. Where before we could sit on our back porch and look across west and see sky and sun and sunsets,
now I see a brown shed and a red roof 12 feet tall. Now, I'm sorry everybody else is okay with it, but in my opinion, it's an eyes sore. It's going to be a negative impact on us and our property
values when we try to sell that house with that thing next door. It's very hard to explain that big a structure put up illegally without a building permit and then granted a variance to leave it where it is. Just doesn't make sense to me. There's no hardship here. There's no
condition that goes with that lot. That means he can't put it in compliance. He's got plenty of room, 28 ft from the corner of the garage. He just to move it back and over a little bit, which the same thing I told him when we first complained about it when he put it up. Just unbolt a few things. It's not a
permanent structure. He says, "Good. It'll be easy to just pick it up and move it back where it belongs. That thing doesn't belong two feet off our property line." I appreciate that others in the neighborhood think it's gorgeous. They think it's okay where it is. I suspect if that were on their property
line and the conditions were the same, they might be saying something different. But we object strongly. You have two other letters from our real estate brokers that we know because that's the first thing they said. That's going to be a problem when you try to sell your house.
Thank you for your time. I appreciate it. Yes, ma'am. Anyone else in the audience to speak in opposition? Seeing none, we'll close the floor. Gentlemen, your pleasure. Excuse me. Do I have a chance to rebut? You do, and I apologize for not doing
that. I'm sorry. Please come down. come late. Is it too late for them to? Yes. Yes. Yes, sir. You have your rebuttal, please. But their forms will be in the file and in the record also. Okay.
So, yeah, before I did this, I knew that it was going to be close to them and they might have a problem with it. So, I went and talked to them. I told him exactly what I was going to do. That the the exact dimensions of where it was going to go never came up and ne neither did the permitting. But I told them it
was going to be 30 ft long and 12t tall just like all the other ones in the neighborhood. And she was and I also offered to to put buy any plant material that they wanted to put there that could grow up and block the thing from their view. And she agreed.
So 4 months later it went up because that's how long you got to wait to get one. And she came over the next day and was furious and uh didn't know what was going to happen at that point. She came back the following day and said, "Okay, you can
go ahead and leave it. I'm not going to turn you in and I'll take you up on getting the plants." So I I'm going to interrupt you and I apologize. I understand a disagreement between you and your neighbor, but if we're talking about arguments that go towards
giving you your moving you towards getting a variance. Yeah. Share that with us rather than the back and forth with you and your neighbor. Well, I because she was okay with it at that point. That's my argument. I spent 22. You're not trying to convince her.
You're convincing us. Right. And and so what was said and wasn't said between you and your neighbor. Well, that's why I'm not so sure why she's so angry because she agreed to me putting those plants there and I spent $2,200 to appease her for that and now she's having a problem with it. It It's not so
much an an appeasement thing, but Sorry. Excuse me. My friend has a very important job and when a call comes in, he has to jump on it. So, please go ahead. Well, he answer ask his question. Um, and pause for point of procedure. Do we still have
quorum or do we need to wait for him to come back? Uh, I believe we don't have quorum right now. We do. We We do. Okay. With three of us with quorum. Okay. The the other item is like I said earlier, if I move it over, it's not
going to look any different. I could have put it at 10t and gotten a permit, but I just didn't want to waste that space. Uh, it's it's still going to look the same. If I completely get rid of it, I can park a 40ft RV there that's 12t tall and she's going to have to stare at
that. So, you you do have the ability to move it to come into compliance with the code. I I do, but I'll lose the garage portion of it, which I love dearly. I mean, it's like I told you earlier, it's been a dream to have a second building on my property like that. Mhm. And it's going to cost a lot of money to take it
down. I I spent I spent a lot of money to put it up. Here's my question on that, though. The reason I don't find that argument persuasive, that is, I'm going to have to spend a lot of money to tear this down,
is well, you didn't comply with the law. I know. And and there's nobody's fault for that yourself. Exactly. And can you understand from my perspective because I don't mean to speak for these other gentlemen,
but can you see that as perhaps a precedent that if we use that as see that as a persuasive argument, how many other people could come before this board and say, "I just built a three-story house. I know it violates the code, but goodness, that would cost me a fortune to tear it down. Don't make
me do it." So share with me your thoughts on how to become more comfortable with that. Well, I I totally get what you're saying, and it's really not about the money for me tearing it down, but it is going to be an expense. If you tell me to tear it down, I'll have to tear it
down, but or or I won't do that, honestly. I'll I'll lose the garage and move it over and she'll still look at it. It's not going to look any different eight more feet away from her property. None. and she still got the option to let the
plants grow that I paid $2,200 for her that she agreed on. That's my only point. I I did what I could to make her happy. Uh and again the other point even if it's
the whole thing is gone. I mean we have a brother-in-law that visits once in a while who drives about a brings over about a 40ft motor home and parks it in the same spot and that's what they're they're going to be looking at. It's not going to look any different from their vantage point.
And we have tried our best to beautify that property. I'm telling you, I've spent more on that property in the last four years than we paid for it. It's been an absolute money pit. Thank you, sir. All right. Thank you.
With that, we'll close the floor. Uh I'm going to ask for the board's pleasure, but I'm not then going to go to a vote because I think we need to chat a little bit about this. So, um for discussion purposes, is there a motion? Motion to approve. You have a motion to
approve for Mr. Wright. Is there a second? Second. A second from Mr. Levant. All right. So, the thought that occurs to me, and I think you guys have heard me say this a lot of times, is, you know,
in in this world, forgiveness, you know, can't be better than permission. And everybody has a duty to comply with the law. And to say to someone, well, it would cost me a lot of money to comply with the law, never strikes me as persuasive.
And I think, at least from my perspective, is that when someone wants to do something different, as we've seen with other folks tonight, and their neighbors are all okay with it. All right. Well, it's kind of like if we all go play Monopoly and everyone playing Monopoly says, "You know what? Every
time you uh uh you get a fine or something, we're going to put it in the middle of the board and you land on free parking, you get that money." Fine. Everybody playing the game agrees to it. Okay, you we've got a variance to the rules. But I do think I I'm a I I I joke all the time. I worship at the Church of
Property rights and we have a property owner who says the rules are the rules and I have a right to see that the rules are complied with. Uh and and that that that makes a lot of sense to And I I'll just
share a last thought of the last thing that I think about when I think of something like this is if the applicant had come before us properly following the rules, how would I have voted? And I think again with someone in opposition,
I would have trouble and and I would certainly listen to you guys because I have so much respect for you. But that's where I'm coming from. I'd love to hear your thoughts. My uh you said something earlier to him which kind of resonates is my wife has a saying it's what you permit you promote.
And it's it's like you said, anybody coming forward, we passed a million things, you know, up here where residents are all good. And no matter what the deal was of a plant, monetary, whatever it was, the the fact is right now is that there
is a somebody in front of us right now that is and as you said, you know, they say no. And as you said is we have a duty up here as well to uphold what was it the house of what? What do you worship at again? House of property house of property rights. Yes. So the church of property rights and and that's
part of our thing as as directors it's hard but it's it's if even one person comes up and says you are taking away a view which has been many times with us that we have seen that or you're taking away something like that a property right from another neighbor even if there was monetary I'm not an attorney.
I'm not so that's not what we do. That's just my my thing is it's an unfortunate situation. It really is. I mean, if everyone else has one, everyone else was happy, but that's not the situation we're in. And it stinks. Guys, do you all want to share thoughts
also or No, I pretty much agree. Um, at this point in time, although the majority of the neighborhood may have one, there is a neighbor now who is in opposition of it. So, because it didn't originally comply with our rules and regulations,
it is what it is. L there thought um you know just because Austin brought it up because you know the thing about views is if I'm not mistaken we we don't make decisions because as
far as we're concerned we a view is not an internal right. You know somebody has lake view and somebody puts a fence on their property and they can't see the lake anymore that's too bad they're not entitled to that view. So I don't I don't look at the view thing as you know
decision making. I look at it that you know again this is a situation where through fault of his own the the applicant has listened to a contractor put something on his property that for all purpose purposes should have been permit you
know and and he should have come to our board at that time. But um you know I I still fall back on the fact that he's here because this county this board has a you know he has a right to come
here and basically ask for a a change to the current land codes that are or the zoning codes that are built on this. So um I I'm not um I'm not opposed to it. I guess what I'm saying. So fair point. Fair point. Um, anything else you'all
want to share? So, let's let's let's call the issue then. We have a motion to approve and a second. All those in favor say I. I. Opposed? N. All right. So, it fails, sir. What you have the right to do is is is and after the meeting staff
can help you with it or you can call them tomorrow. You can appeal this if you'd like to to the county commission and and they can of course do whatever they want to do. And I wish you luck. Next item. Yes. Thank you. Mary Robinson with
Development Services. This is a request for a rear yard setback variance from 25 ft to 13 ft for a screen room addition in the RA affordable housing dwelling unit at 1185 Amanda K Circle. The property is located
in the uh Forest Cove subdivision and the request is for a 220 square foot 10 by 12 oops screen room addition. And this uh setback was created by a
development order number 94-42 that established a rear yard setback. and at 25 ft with the first 10 ft of yard to remain undisturbed. The proposed screen room will encroach 12 ft into the required year rear yard setback so it
will not uh interfere with that 10-ft preservation area. There is a building permit application 25-4941 that is submitted and contingent upon this variance application being approved
in order for it to be submitted. Uh there have not been prior variances for the subject property. However, there have been eight setback variances granted throughout the Forest Cove subdivision for screen enclosures. The approval span from the years of 20 uh
two 2022 2002 I'm sorry through 2019. That concludes my presentation. Thank you ma'am. Gentlemen questions. All right. Is the applicant here? Yes, sir. Anything you'd like to add?
Good evening, gentlemen. My name is Brian Dorian, 2938 Stonewall Place, Sanford, Florida. I'm representing Holly Sharbos. She's the owner of this property. If you stand in the backyard on the existing concrete slab and you look to the right and the
left, this exact same screen room already exists. And the reason why it exists is because up until recently, this variance or this uh setback didn't exist. They have 25 foot of rear yard and they have a 25 foot setback. And that wasn't the case when the
neighborhood was established. Uh there are many screen rooms in there and there have been many setback variances for this reason because the backyard is 25 ft and the variances for a screen room that already exists in there multiple times. They have a genuine hardship. Um
we're not pouring concrete there, just building a room, a screened room that is identical to those on both sides. Oh, and there have been letters of support from the neighbors, but it wasn't mentioned. I dropped them off and it's in our packet though. Okay, very good. That's important. That's all. Thank you,
sir. Gentlemen, any questions? Thank you, sir. Uh, anyone here in the audience to speak in support of this matter? Anyone here to speak in opposition? Seeing none, gentlemen, your pleasure. Motion to approve. Second. Motion to
approve for Mr. Wright. I have a second for Mr. Beley. All those in favor? Opposed? Tell your client to enjoy it. Number seven. Um, Mr. Chair, the number seven has been withdrawn by the
applicant. That was very nice of them. Number eight. Number eight is a request for a front yard setback. Whoops. Second is a request for a front yard setback variance from 25 ft to 0 feet for a
fence in the R1A single family dwelling district located at 5201 Lakeal Road. The subject property is in the Tanglewood section 3 subdivision and is like I said in the R1A zoning district. The property is a corner lot
and as such is considered to have two front yards for setback purposes. The front of the house faces Lake Hell Road. The Ivy Lane uh lot frontage is where the variance is being sought. The 6oot privacy fence does encroach into a 5-ft
utility easement at the northwest corner of the property and if approved, they will have to submit an estoppel letter with the uh building permit. The proposed fence is going to be 1 foot from the sidewalk but 33 feet from the
edge of the paved road. Um if the variance is approved, the fence must be on the subject property because the current fence that he wants to replace does encroach into the rightway. Our traffic engineering section has no
objection to the placement of the fence as it relates to site visibility. A letter of support has been uh received from the neighbor at 1843 Ivy Lane which abuts the rear lot line of this subject property. And that concludes my presentation. Thank you, ma'am.
Gentlemen, questions for staff. Seeing none, is the applicant here? Yes, sir. All righty. Good evening. My name is Richard Adams Dora, 5201 Lakeal Road. Um, first-time
homeowner, just moved in this year. Super excited. Started working on projects. First one was there's a panel the the rear fence that has fallen into the neighbor's yard. Said, "Well, I better replace this fence." Uh, looks like it's been here for 15, 20 years.
What could possibly go wrong as part of the permitting process? Um, and it's been a a journey to learn. Not only does the current just for this side of the fence encroach or uh go past the setback, but it also encroaches the
property line. So, uh all that's to say, needless how which probably didn't show up on your title report, did it? And the propertyy's changed hands twice since this has happened. Um so, needless to say, regardless of how tonight goes, I'm going to be losing some of my yard that is currently fenced in. Uh but I am
respectfully requesting that the sideback goes down to zero for this side just to maintain as much yard as possible. Each foot that this uh side of the yard of the fence moves in, I lose 68 square ft of of yard. Um you know, so
I have aerials of this fence going back to at least 2009 and the rear neighbors been there since the '9s. They said they remember parts of the fence being back there since 2009. Um, I've obtained written approval
from both of the neighbors on to my east and north. Um, and then there's a ton of foot traffic that goes along the front of the property because I'm on Lake Hal Road. Been out in the yard just talking to neighbors as they pass. Everyone's been
supportive. Um, and I also have photos I've grabbed off Google of other similar fence lines that I've noted in the neighborhood. That's it. Thank you, sir. Any questions for the applicant? Thank you, sir. Anyone in the audience
to speak in support of this matter? Seeing none, anyone anyone in the audience to speak in opposition? Seeing none, gentlemen, move to approve. Motion to approve from Mr. Levant. We have a second from Mr. Wright. Those in favor? I opposed. Best of luck, sir.
Thank you. Nothing like buying a home to open your eyes up. All right. Number nine, please. Yes. This is a request for a front yard setback variance from 25 ft to 18 ft in order to construct a single family home in the R1A
uh zoning district. And this is lot 15, Lake Reena Drive. The subject property is in the replat of block C knob Hill Meredith Manor. It's an irregular shaped lot and faces three fre street frontages and is considered
to have three front yards. The front of the proposed single family resident faces Lake Reena and this is where the variance is being sought. The proposed dwelling is 59x 41 plus feet um totaling
2430 square ft. There have not been any prior variances for the subject property, but there have been four variances for setbacks approved along Lake Green Drive. And that concludes my presentation.
Gentlemen, questions for staff. Miss Robinson, u did I I could have dreamed this, but did I read somewhere in there that this parcel has never been developed? It's Yes, sir. It's vacant. That's why it doesn't have an address. Gotcha. But it's not like there was something that was scraped. It's just
never been developed. Correct. I guess just because it's so funky. Gotcha. All right. Thank you, ma'am. Uh is the applicant here? Anything you like to add, sir? Not really. You have questions? Why anybody want to live there? I'm sorry. If you're going to talk, I have to make
you come down and all that. Do gentlemen, do you have any questions for the applicant? All right. Anyone here to speak in support of the matter? Seeing none, anyone here to speak in opposition? Seeing none. Gentlemen, your pleasure. Move to approve, Mr. Chair. Motion. Motion to approve for Mr. Beley. Is there a second from Mr. Wright? We have
a second. Those in favor? I opposed. Best of luck to you. Number 10. Yes. By the way, there are 14 for those those of you all in the audience. Number 10. Uh this is a request for a height variance from 6 and 1/2 ft to 8 feet for a fence
in the R1A uh single family zoning district located at 1461 Canal Point Road. The subject property is in the Bowling Green subdivision. The fence uh proposed is 100 foot long, 8 feet in
height. The majority of the proposed 8-foot privacy fence will abut the I4 rest area. which is to the east. There is a building permit application pending 25-5882 and is contingent upon approval of this
variance. There have not been any prior variances for the subject property. There was an approved variance for an 8ft fence at 1465 Canal Point Road and that was in 2817.
And that concludes my presentation. Thank you ma'am. Gentlemen, questions for staff. All right. Is the applicant here? Yes, sir. Anything you'd like to add? She covered it pretty well. Gentlemen, questions for the applicant. Anyone here to speak in support of the matter?
Seeing none, anyone here to speak in opposition? Seeing none, your pleasure. Move to approve, Mr. Chair. Motion approved for Mr. Beley, second from Mr. Wright. Those in favor? Opposed. All right. Best of luck to you. Sorry you have to deal with that rest area. Absolutely. And all
those do not park signs. Oh yeah. Goodness. Number 11, please. Ready? Yes, ma'am. Okay. Uh, the next request is for a North Side Street setback variance from 15 ft to 0 feet for a fence in the plan development
zoning classification located at 1054 Glory Land Court. This subject property is in the Riverside Oaks subdivision and is within the Riverside Oaks plan development. The property is a corner lot and then is considered to have two
front yards for setback purposes. The front of the house faces Glory Land Court. The Stone Brier Lane side is where the variance is being sought. The proposed fence is a open aluminum fence which is 5 feet in height which is one foot higher than what is permitted by
the land development code for fences within a front yard. The aluminum fence does uh encroach into a 5-ft drainage utility easement and that will have to be um required to meet the criteria for placement within a stop
letter at the time of permitting. The proposed fence is zero feet from the sidewalk and 12 feet more or less from the edge of pavement. The traffic engineering division has no objection to the placement of the fence as it relates to sight vis visibility
and there have not been any prior variances for the subject property and that concludes my presentation. Thank you ma'am. Gentlemen, questions for staff. Seeing none, is the applicant here? Yes. Yes, sir. Come on down.
Hello, Justin Taylor, 1054 Glory Land. I brought some additional pictures where we have fences that are in the neighborhood already and um they butt up right to the sidewalk. So, I was just going to share those with you. And while she's putting those up, just
my question out of ignorance and I apologize. When you say open aluminum fence, what what is that? That's not chain link, is it? No, it's the rod iron. those vertical. No, the ver there. Well, there we go. Gotcha. Thank you. So, this right here and also our HOA has
already approved it as well. This is where the fence would go. The first one you just showed us, where was that located? And this one? These are both in our neighborhood. They're on the already developed side. Gotcha.
Is that the last one? Okay, cool. All right. Anything else, sir? No, sir. All right. Any questions, gentlemen? Um, I have a question, sir. Um, putting out the the fence. Understanding you have 20
20 ft. Um, why can't we set the fence? give it a one or two foot buffer off the sidewalk. Why does it have to be up against the sidewalk? So, it will be one to two feet off the sidewalk, but when we were filling out the paperwork, they told us to just do zero.
Okay. Our our fence vendor. Understood. But yes, it's going to be probably the width of a mower, I would say, between the sidewalk and the fence on the opposite side of your backyard. Yes. Okay. Um, and the reason I asked that
is, you know, these are there shouldn't be any fences up against these sidewalks. You know, it's a as simple as riding your bike down the thing and your handlebar hits something, you know, an obstruction. So, um, I think it needs to have somewhat of a buffer. And if I'm understanding, you
know, I mean, we if Have we made the motion yet? I No. Okay. Um, you know, when we do make a motion, you know, whoever makes it, you know, regardless whether if it's approval or not, um, you know, I would probably
amend that to at least, you know, have a twoft buffer there. Okay. Are you okay with that? Perfectly fine with me. Okay. Thank you. You read my mind. Thank you for doing that, asking that question. No, that was all I had. You know, I just not not a fan of putting it right up against there. We're supposed to give
grant when variances are appropriate the minimum variance. This is kind of the maximum the opposite side. So, um I'd like to give us a little buffer there. So, yeah, I apologize for that. Thank you. I didn't need to share that with you, but I I felt obligated for some reason. Perfect. Thank you, sir. Thank
you. Uh anyone here to speak in support of this matter? Anyone here to here to speak in opposition? Seeing none, I think you might have a motion in mind. Okay, I'd say so. Um, I make a motion to approve
with the condition that the fence to sidewalk setback is not zero but a minimum of two foot. Gotcha. We have that motion for Mr. Wright. Is there a second? Second. Mr. Bigley seconds. All those in favor? I I opposed. All right.
Enjoy. Just just I apologize, but Mr. Chair, for purposes of how we phase the language, does that work for staff? Okay. Thank you. Good to ask. I'm glad you did that. Number 12. Number 12 is
2001 Sykes Avenue. This is the Mount For your name. I'm sorry to be a pain, but just for the record, your name and Oh, I'm sorry. Um Kathy Hamill Development Services. I will be presenting the rest of our Sorry to hit you for that. I know. I'm sorry,
but yes. Um it's at 2001 Sykes Avenue. This is the Mount Zion Baptist Church of Midway. Um, Midway is a community development block area. It's considered to be a target area. The church constructed this gazebo or pavilion
which consists of Hold on. It's hard when you wear glasses and you have to look up and then you can't read what you're doing. So, I apologize. Um they're asking for a westside setback from 52 to 42 and 1/2 ft and an east
yard setback variance from 10 ft to 6 and 1/2 ft for a gazebo. The church constructed the gazebo without a permit that received a code violation. This structure was constructed in order to be able to service the community with food
and donations and as a gathering spot for the Midway area and the the members of the church. This concludes my presentation. Perfect. Thank you, ma'am. Gentlemen, questions for staff. See none. Is the applicant here? Yes,
sir. Anything you'd like to add to what staff said? I'm I'm I'm sorry I couldn't hear. She said what I like to say. All right. I I do have a question though and someone else might also would you mind sir? Just and then just please share with us your name and address when you get up get on
up there. Yeah. Johnny Perry, 1223 Randall Street, Sanford, Florida. Uh just a quick question because I ask everyone this. You've probably seen it tonight. Have Have you chatted with your neighbors about it? Uh, yes. No one's in
opposition. Well, they're here. Oh, okay. So, they're here and in opposition. We'll see what the best stance is here. Thank you, sir. That that answers my question. Gentlemen, do you have
questions also? No. All right. Thank you, sir. Okay. I made you walk all the way down there for that. Jeez. Oh, goodness. All right. Well, uh, having said that, all the anyone in the audience to speak in support of this, I think I saw a piece of paper come
down. Let's see. All right, we'll get that in a moment. Um, anyone in the audience who wants to come down and speak in support? Seeing none, uh, I do have a comment, uh, sheet from a, um, well, there's
several names on here, but, the person who'll be speaking in opposition Or or maybe the wrong Is there someone here to speak in opposition? Just maybe the wrong thing was uh was was checked. Checked the wrong thing. Yeah. On here it says in opposition. Are you are you
in favor? The person who brought this? Okay. So, come on down, please. My name is Sharon Stevens. 336 Providence Boulevard, Daytona, Florida. This variance is new to us. That
property is adjacent to our property and we was told that the variance might have an impact on our property and it might be minimal but we don't know how minimum and how much of an impact it will be in case we want to
sell it or give it to one our kids and they'll have the same problem I guess with a variance if they want to Well, now this will just affect the church's property, nobody else's property in the sense of within the four corners of of their lot. Mhm. It doesn't
it doesn't it doesn't say you can or can't do anything on your own property. Now, you still have the right to object, but I just I want to make sure that that that you follow what I'm sharing. It doesn't affect your property at all. This is only affecting just the property parcel of the church right now. This
isn't taking away property from you at all. Oh, yeah. Go ahead. it it's not taken away. It is so it won't affect us at all. If now this is only affecting this property address. It it will only affect to the extent that if we say yes tonight, if the board says yes, that
that gazebo stays on the property and that's it. That's the only thing we're talking about. Okay. Now, you still have the right to say, you know, the rules, as we you've seen other folks say, the rules are the rules, and I want to stand on my rights. You have the right to say that, but just we want to make sure you know you're you're you've got the whole
picture. Okay. All right. So, having said that, do you you you still ma'am? Yes. You you still have the same same I got a I got a third of it. I got a sister and brother. They're here. All right. Well Well, come
on down, please. If we could have your name and address first, please ma'am. Okay. My name is Gloria Johnson. I live at 1436 Mara Court in Sanford. Yes, ma'am. Please go ahead. Okay. Uh agreeing with my sister, we have been
told different things about the variance. It was came to us about a variance that how for the property the church property is to our property. We were told that we need to write a letter
in regards to the variance whether we approve or disapprove. So with that being said, all the information that has been given to us, it's like it's not clarity, you know, how far uh the property line or her, you know, close to
our property. So nothing has been truthfully told are all the accurate information. So that's why we set uh as opposed to it because we haven't been getting all the correct information. Fair enough. So we thinking it's
affecting our property. So, like I said, that's why we opposed it. Fair point. Absolutely. I hear you. Thank you, ma'am. You're welcome. And is there a third person? I agree with Yes, sir.
Is there anyone else in the audience to speak in opposition? I think this does call for a rebuttal. Sir, if you might want to if you want to come down and address the concerns of your neighbors. Yes. Uh thank you. Uh the letter that they mentioned was requested by me.
These are three members of the same church. So I asked for a letter simply state that it was all right that we would get 3 feet 3 in instead of right now the rear of the
property is 6 ft uh 9 in away from their property line and requirement my understanding is 10 ft. So we asked and we simply was trying to make it a lot simpler for this procedure
here to receive a letter from our membership saying it was okay. Mhm. Uh the gazebo personally I don't see it affecting their property but that's their opinion.
That's their property. where we use the area to feed the the homeless and the hungry and provide clothing information about things that's available in the community. So, but that was a letter that requested
to to write a letter so we would just smooth this procedure because we're all members of the same church. I got you. Thank you, sir. Uh that's I think another one we should have a motion uh and then maybe have a
little chat. So for uh purposes of discussion, is there a motion? Motion to approve. Motion to approve for Mr. Beley. Is there a second? A second for Mr. Wright. Uh if you guys my my thoughts and what I wanted to chat about and of course we'll chat about whatever you guys want to
talk about is what popped into my mind is unlike maybe some other things we've heard tonight. This might be a matter of the neighbors being in opposition because they're not certain what's what's before the board tonight.
would you guys and of course subject to the applicant being okay with it maybe they could chat for a minute or two while we consider item number 14 and we can circle back to it or if you guys you know the motion's been brought we can just vote right on it. I think as long as the information that they're getting
is correct because it seems like right now it's kind of you know in in the in the void of information is misinformation and so I think as long as there's an understanding of what the actual ask is and how it affects partials etc then as long as there's
correct information so maybe even a staff member to because as as one of them had said was we were we've heard different things we've heard different things no better No, no person better than an actual staff member who does
this to set the record straight. I do have to Kathy Hamill Development Services. I am presenting the last two items, but if I can go ahead and present 13 and 14 and if you can just give me five minutes at the end and I can speak to the neighbors about this, about what
the actual request is. Mr. Chair, um I would like to have that conversation. I would love me personally Jay will do it. Okay. Thanks Jay. Super. Perfect. So maybe you can understand what the ask is. Sure. And so maybe is
there a amending the motion to perhaps continue this item to the bottom of the agenda. The bottom of the agenda. Yes. Any objection to that? We'll consider it moved and approved then. And we'll pause for a second for staff to organize and then we'll move on to
the next item. By the way, I did this without check. Sir, as as the applicant, do you mind us kind of doing this so you can chat with your neighbors for a bit? Because if if you can address their concerns, then it gets easier for us.
So, so, so what we're saying is just we're going to we're going to not not going to say yes or no to yours right now. We've got two more items and while we're discussing those two, if if you and your neighbors could go out in the lobby and chat with staff and if you come to an agreement, good. If you
don't, that's democracy. But be but at the end of the meeting, we will vote on your matter. All right. Good. Good. So, we'll give them a minute to step out and then we'll move on to 13. 13. Kathy Hamill Development Services. This is a request at 1250 North Brassie Drive. is
a request for an accessory structure size variance from 322 square feet to 720 square feet for a detached garage. You guys, I'm going to go a little bit off script, but this is um one of the changes we made in our code in which we
um put a size limit on accessory structures because as the board of adjustment realizes, we've had we were getting a lot of very large and so this is a variance from the 50% requirement that you can't go over. So we don't have a lot of variances that have been
granted for this. So this is fairly new um regulation that we are now seeing variances from. It is located in Bon subdivision. This garage will be 720 ft which is 24 by 30 and it exceeds the allowable size by 390 square feet
because the existing home is 644 square feet. The location of this property is unique in the fact that it abuts um a commercial or even so an industrial area to the front and a platted subdivision to the um to the
east of the property. As I said, there's been no variances that are similar to this that have been in this neighborhood. Um and there's no variances have been granted for the subject property. And this concludes my presentation. Thank you, ma'am. Gentlemen, questions for staff.
I do. Yes, sir. Chair. Um, sorry I can't see you. I know. I know the uh what was the and again I cliffnotes answer please. Yes. Why was 50% how did we come up the
county in this sense decide that that was the acceptable value for when we changed the code? Right. We wanted the single family home to be the primary structure on the property and the 50% gave it the size to say this is a single family home use not you know an
accessory structure not to be more than or seem larger than the existing homes. Was there a industry county national standard that kind of we mimicked or did we just Yes we do. So what we do is we look at the
surrounding counties and their regulations and we do copy off of other jurisdictions, but we wait until see how successful it is with them and then we call them and find out is this working for you? Is this addressing the issues that we've been also having? Okay. Thank
you. Is this one of those things that to pick up on what Mr. Right. Saying, "Is this one of those things that I remember hearing that we're picking up on the idea that the greatest generation is aging and we want to create places for them to come live with, you know, granny cottages type things as opposed to
another house that maybe someday somebody might lots split or something?" Is it kind of that idea? Kind of that idea. Sort of. Kind of. I could have made it up. I don't I got you. I got you. Any other questions for staff? Is the applicant here? Yes, sir. Please come on down.
Am I dreaming is granny garage or cottages? Is that isn't that a thing in the planning and world? Yes, it is. And you are correct. We do have a 35% of the living area single family home. Gotcha. Gotcha. Thank you. I'm sorry, sir. Please
Citrus Tree Lane, Longwood, Florida, and figures I'd be the unique property to go through a test case. Um, we've owned this property since 2000. Um, we've been rem uh it's a very like you I'm sure you've read seen this. It's a very unique piece
of property. There's commercial around it in front of it. Um, there is a similar structure that is caddy corner to the rear because there's an alley that goes behind the property and so there's already a detached garage that is considerably larger than the one we want to put in. Um the reason why we're
doing it is because uh we've had um complaints from tenants that there's no you can't store anything in the property. The the carport is very difficult to even get a uh vehicle underneath because it's so low. It's an older house. It was built in 1950. So you have to see the inside though. We
just remodeled. It's beautiful. So we're working on the outside. And so we have the dilemma that there's a well and it just would be not economically feasible to go ahead and and put a garage in that area. So what we'd want to do is we have
the we have plenty of property and we don't we're not encroaching on any setback or anything. We can move this thing anywhere we really want it. So So we're just looking for the variance and we were told that we wouldn't have to get a variance if we had a breezeway. So, you know, you could approve it. You
would approve it with a breezeway, but I have to get a variance if I don't have a um a breezeway. So, that's where we're at. Gotcha. Any questions for the applicant? Thank you, sir. You're welcome. Uh is there anyone else in the audience to
speak in support of this matter? Seeing none, is there anyone in the audience in in speaking in opposition to this matter? Seeing none, gentlemen, move to approve. Motion approved for Mr. Beige, second from Mr. Wright. All those in favor? I
opposed. All right, sir. Enjoy. Thanks. At the Hamilton Development Services, 1611 Rutledge Road. This is a request for a roof height variance from 12 feet to 29 ft for a detached garage in R1A, which zoning district, which is Mandarin subdivision.
the they're they're requesting for a proposed garage and this is the same rule that we passed in fact that they do not want any accessory structures to exceed the principal building in the terms of mass size or height. So the
existing home is 12t high. They're asking for this detached garage which is two stories to be 29 ft. Hence needing to have this variance. There are no other variances that are in this area that are similar to this. We do have
some that are detached accessory structures, but not for the height of it. And this concludes my presentation. Thank you, madam. Gentlemen, questions for staff? Seeing none, is the applicant here? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Anything you'd like to add?
Yes, sir. How you doing this evening? My name is Chris Savia at 1611 Rutled Ridge Road. Uh going for the variance today uh to do a additional dwelling in the backyard. Um and then putting a mother putting a mother-in-law suite above the
garages. Um the garage would be used for a workshop and boat storage. Um and then the dwelling above would be for my kids later on in life um or down the road. Uh the workshop would be for me and the
kids to uh utilize. Gotcha. Um there are a lot of other dwellings like she mentioned in the neighborhood that are just under what I'm going to be proposing. Some of them are within 9 ft uh smaller than mine. Just going for a little bit more to put
the mother-in-law sweet above. Got you. Thank you, sir. Uh, gentlemen, questions for the applicant. Any uh I I it was hard pulling off. I try to pull GPS um for for satellite. I don't think you have any neighbors. I mean, it's close enough to see that. I read your
report. I read your answers. Dare I ask, are your neighbors okay with it or I think I read you said that no one can even see it. Am I correct on that? Correct. Thank you, sir. We're very well wooded in our area. I can back up to 13 acres that are all heavily wooded. Um, both neighbors don't have an issue with
it. It's going to be very hard to see from the street. I understand the county's requirements and arguments about not seeing a large structure on the main road or coming into the neighborhood. It would be an eyesore, but this is not something you're going to see. I do need to interject by um you saying
we a mother-in-law suite is considered to be an accessory dwelling unit and that has a whole another level of requirements. So right now in your application it was only for storage and potential living space. So if you do want to make this into an accessory dwelling unit, come and see us because
we need to make sure that it meets all of the criteria because there's other criteria such as it can't be more than 35% of the square footage of your home. Correct. And amount of impervious. So just for you to be aware of that. Yes, that is correct. And one of the comments that just came up just recently in the
plan review was that 35 uh% square footage which is going to ultimately lead me into another variance. Yeah. And variance is easier thing to deal with in code enforcement and uh everything that flows there from. So Gotcha. Good. Good.
Thank you, sir. Yeah. And one other question or one other comment we did address address in the revised set of plans that were just submitted the uh pvious area. Okay. Good. So we are taking we are taking some of the So you are aware of the requirements of Yeah, we are taking some of the asphalt up
that that pertains to the driveway. Good. Thank you sir. Anyone in the audience to speak in support of this matter? Anyone in the audience to speak in opposition to this matter? Seeing none, gentlemen, move to approve. Motion to
approve for Mr. Beley. Is there a second? Second. Mr. Levant has seconded. Those in favor? Excuse I have a question, please. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. That's okay. That's right. Um, you you answered my question because that's I was going to when he mentioned
the mother because there was the whatever the balcony off the the top. So, you answered my question regarding that. This is a different criteria than what they're asking in the current package that we have. Um, where was I going with this? I just lost my train of thought. Sorry. Give me a
second. Um, take your time. Oh, my question was now that they would look at it as an ADU that has living space in it. Does that do away with our requirement for being at a residential in different
proportions than the res the primary? Right. It doesn't it doesn't change the fact that they still have to get the height variance for this. Okay. They would have to do that nonetheless. Whatever they were going to use it for. There's just additional requirements for so you know what
past we've had before um using a breezeway to connect it to the primary doesn't make it all one level at that or one primary. They don't need the ADU part. But right I'm just asking that question if that's valid or that doesn't work. No, the variance will still be make sure
I understood the last of your question. You're asking does this variance matter if it's going to be utilized? Well, I'm just I'm just by theoretical if it was connected with a breezeway which then is connected to the residential. They would still need the height varian. They would still need the height. That's what I was
looking for. Thank the when you hear that that's because of if you have the breezeway they they consider it to be an addition correct to the house and so then it has different setbacks. Okay. Thank you. All right. So we have a motion to approve
and it's been seconded. All those in favor I opposed. All right. Enjoy. Sorry that was a non-answered by me. No no no. Well that's considered something. That's what I always do. All right. So, let's return back to it agenda item number 12, which
is 2001 Cypes Avenue. And and if the board will allow me, I I'm thinking maybe what we should do is ask the two nice ladies who had previously spoken in opposition. And you all just sat back down, but could I ask you all to come back down,
please? We like, what I'd like to hear is whether your thoughts have have changed. And no pressure. You feel how you feel. That's your right. But we have to have it in front of a microphone. And honest to goodness, don't want y'all to feel pressure or anything to say anything other than what you really
feel. If I look at my notes, we have um Miss Stevens and Miss Johnson. Okay. Yes. So, have your thoughts changed? Yes, sir. All right. What what what are your thoughts now?
Since we go ahead. Since we got the correct information and that it does not affect our property, we're okay. Miss Stevens, you agree? Yes. All right. Thank you, ladies. Appreciate it. Uh, just to be fair to
the applicant, anything you'd like to add, sir? No, sir. All righty. Uh, so having heard all of that, gentlemen, your pleasure. Uh, so I move to approve. Mr. Chair, Mr. Be was moved to approve. Is there a second? Second. Second from
Mr. Wright and Mr. Levant. All those in favor? I opposed. All right. Enjoy. So now, last thing. Was there Did we not have a motion before we And then we I amended it. Amended it to continue. I amended a motion to continue it.
Who's which one counts? The last one. The one the one that I let you vote on. The one that I just made another motion for. Um, so last thing on the agenda is the minutes. That's a troublemaker. Uh, the chair will entertain a motion. We have a motion to
approve. Second. All those in favor? I. There we go. For the go of the order. Anything else? Staff, anything you need to share? No, sir. All right. Thank you all so much. I think this was a darn good meeting. Good night. Good night.
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