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Heat. Heat. Hello. >> Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the April 2026 meeting of the Simino County Board of Adjustment. Uh, for those of you who have not been to one of our meetings before, please give me a few minutes and I'll share with you our procedures. and then we'll get

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underway. Uh, as we move through the agenda, there are nine things on the agenda tonight. And as we move through it, uh, staff will introduce each item for consideration. Uh, if you would like to speak on an item and you are not the applicant, there's a form in the lobby and we'd like you all to fill that out

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first, please, and hand it to the clerk. Uh, when we get to each item, the applicant and the applicant supporters will be heard first. Those in opposition to the request will be heard next. And if the situation calls for it, uh, the applicant might have a chance at

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rebuttal. We ask that comments be limited just to what is uh, under consideration at the meeting. We don't get into neighbor disputes or homeowners association disputes or aesthetic disputes or anything like that. And if you're an individual, you'll have three

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minutes to speak. If you're if you're here on behalf of an organization, a real organization, you'll have six minutes to speak. Uh when you come up, please identify yourself by name and address. For the record, we ask everybody be given courteous attention, that everyone's

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nice to each other, and we treat each other as we would like to be treated. Don't be surprised. We might ask questions of staff, of the applicant, of you. That's just part of the process. Any information that you share with us, we're going to hold on to it for the record. uh and and and so just don't be

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surprised if you've got digital items you want to share. Our camera can pick that up. We just ask after the meeting if you'd send a copy to staff to keep in the in the record. Uh once we have heard everything, the floor will be closed. We will consider the matter. I will ask the

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board for a motion. We will then vote on the motion. Uh and and that will be that on the item. If after the vote uh you disagree with how we've decided, you can appeal the matter to the board of county commissioners. And after the meeting tonight, if you have questions, staff

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can help you with that process. Having said that, number one, please. >> Good evening, Angie Gates. Item number one is a request for a rear yard setback variance from 30 feet to 23 feet for a covered patio addition in the R1A single family dwelling district in the

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Trailwood Estate subdivision located at 509 Grove Court. The proposed replacement of the covered patio will be 368 square ft and will encroach 7 ft into the required rear yard setback. There have not been any prior variances for the subject property. And this

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concludes my presentation. >> Thank you, ma'am. Is the applicant here? Yes, sir. Could you come on down, please? >> I don't know about the others, but I know I've got a question or two. Before that, while the gentleman's coming down, um, gentlemen, any questions for staff? >> I'm sorry that wasn't clear. For the

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record, would you share with us your name and address? >> Eddie Matoss, Fire Night Core, Atam Spring, Florida 32714. >> Excellent. Before we ask a question, is there anything you'd like to add to what staff has shared? >> Uh, no. No, I'm okay. All right,

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gentlemen. Do you have questions? Uh, just might one real two quick questions. Uh, looking at at the aerial photographs, is what you're going to build going to go just exactly over what's there right now?

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>> Uh, the insulation roof. You're talking about >> I think it's what's in our packet. >> It's on the patio. You can see the slab. >> Mhm. >> If you go on the on the blueprint. Mhm. >> You see the slide in the backyard.

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>> That is the area where I will to build the insulated roof. >> Okay. Just because what's in our packet talks about a replacement and we're just wondering if the size of what you have will just be the same size as what's there now. >> Yeah, the same size.

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>> Gotcha. And then lastly, for me at least, uh have you spoken to your neighbors about this? >> No. >> Okay. >> No. usually always just kind of a good neighbor policy to get their information. >> I don't think it's too far, you know. My all the neighbor in my in my area is

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like a good people, you know, Latin people like me. No, no problem. Like no problem, you know. >> Fair enough. Fair enough. Thank you, sir. Gentlemen, any questions? >> Is there a patio covered now or are you building a new? Is this brand new? >> No, brand new. Brand new.

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>> But it is covering the ex. It's going to be in the same uh area as >> the same area on the concrete as lot is is >> but it's you're not tearing one down or adding to one. This is brand new. >> Brand new. Yeah. >> All right. Thank you, sir.

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>> You're welcome. >> Is there anyone in the audience to speak in support of the matter? Seeing none, anyone in the audience to speak in opposition? Seeing none, gentlemen, >> motion to approve. >> Motion to approve, Mr. Wright. We have a second from Judge Bravo. Any

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comment? Seeing none, all those in favor? I >> opposed. All right, sir. Enjoy. >> Number two, please. >> Item number two is a request for an east sideyard setback variance from 7 1/2 ft to 5 1/2 ft for an addition in the R1A

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single family dwelling district and the Lake Markham estate subdivision located at 8260 Vabella Street. The proposed garage addition will be approximately 1,374 square ft and will encroach two feet to the required sideyard setback. Six

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signatures of support were received by adjacent neighbors. There have not been any prior variances for the subject property. And this concludes my presentation. >> Thank you, ma'am. Gentlemen, questions for staff. See none. Is the applicant here? Come on down,

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>> Mr. Miller. If you'd please introduce yourself by name and address for the record, sir. Hello, >> gentlemen. Zachary Miller at 8241 via Bonita. Um Josh is actually the applicant, but I prepared the drawing, so I figured I'd be able to answer the questions just a little bit more prudently. >> So, is there anything you'd like to add

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to what staff had said? >> No, sir. just uh we well I I will say to fall on the sword a little bit um we I I prepared the drawings and in preparing the drawings I was I was replicating a survey um when the surveyor came out we noticed that we had had encroached a

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little bit on the sideyard setback so that's where this came from. This is not a reaction to any kind of code violation or anything like that. We're just being trying to be proactive about it. >> Appreciate that. Gentlemen questions for the applicant judge. >> Yeah. All right. Easy enough.

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>> Thank you. >> Okay, sounds good. >> Anyone in the audience to speak in support of the matter? Seeing none, anyone in the audience to speak in opposition? Seeing none, gentlemen, >> move to approve. >> Motion to approve. Mr. Levant, second by Mr. Wright. Those in favor? >> I

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>> opposed. All right. Enjoy. >> Gentlemen. >> Number three, please. >> Good evening. For the record, Hillary Peyton, Planning and Development. Item number three is a variance request for 125 Trinity Assembly Circle. The request is for a front yard setback variance

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from 10 feet to 7 feet for a sign at an existing church in the A5 zoning district. The request is to bring into compliance the construction of a 15t tall by 9 ft 10-in wide monument sign encroaching 3 feet into the required 10-ft front yard setback. The sign,

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which fronts South County Road 419, was constructed in February of 2026 with an approved building permit placing the sign 10 ft from the front property line. However, when it was constructed, it failed final inspection as it was constructed 7 ft from the front property line, resulting in the necessity of this variance.

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A community meeting was held on April 6, 2026. The meeting details have been included in the agenda package for your review. A letter of opposition has been received by a nearby property owner and provided to you on the dis for your consideration. This concludes my presentation. I'm available for any

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questions. >> Thank you, ma'am. Gentlemen, questions for staff? >> I have one. Mr. Wright, um going on a limb here, but the sign was permitted before it went through seminal county permitting.

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>> Yes. And it was set I'm assuming when it was approved and or going through permitting that it was with inside the correct setback. >> Correct. >> And it was just cor constructed incorrectly. >> Correct. >> Okay. Thank you. Any other questions for staff?

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>> All right. Is the applicant here? I'll ask again. Is the applicant here? >> The chair will entertain a motion to continue this to the bottom of the agenda. All right, we have a second. >> Second. >> All right, we'll move this to the bottom of the agenda and let me make a note

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because I have no memory as I'm getting older. Nods of scent around the board. All right, number four, please. >> Item number four is two variance requests for lot 14 on North Ronald Reagan Boulevard. >> That's right, M. I'm sorry. Just real quick, just for the record, did anyone in staff hear anything from the

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applicant requesting a continuence or saying they might not make it? >> No. Good. I'm sorry. Please go again. I'm sorry. >> The requests are for a lot size variance from 1 acre to 288 of an acre and a lot width variance from 150 ft to 100 ft for

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a single family home. The subject parcel was made up of two parcels. Each parcels of record created prior to Semino County subdivision regulations being adopted under common ownership with adjacent non-conforming lots. Per policy flew 3.2 of the Semino County comprehensive plan.

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They were combined. However, even with the combination of the lots, the lot size and lot width requirements for the A1 zoning district cannot be met to grant a building permit. Two letters of opposition were received from nearby property owners and have been provided to you for your consideration. This

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concludes my presentation. I'm availent. Questions for staff? Seeing none, is this applicant here? >> Yes, sir. Please come on down. And if you tell us please your name and address, sir.

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Luis Anderson Samora, 514 Harbor Winds Court, Winter Springs, Florida. >> Thank you, sir. Anything you'd like to add to what staff had shared. >> Uh, no, I didn't know there was an opposition. This is my first time. Um, I'm representing the family selling the land and we just were doing going through our due diligence that uh to be

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able to tell prospective buyers that uh the the how a home can be built. >> Gotcha. U gentlemen, questions for the applicant applicant's representative. All right, easy enough. Thank you, sir. Uh, anyone in the audience to speak in

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support of the matter? Moving on to those folks who might be in opposition. I have uh two public uh comment record cards. First from Barry Thomas. Mr. Thomas, would you like to come down? Sure. >> All righty.

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and I've got your information on this, so you don't need to share it publicly unless you want to, but happy to hear hear your thoughts. Well, >> I'm glad you took the time out of your busy schedules to come see our concerns and we appreciate it. I'd like to start off with u our road.

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We are a dirt road, very narrow dirt road. My concern is safety. As you can see on this picture, that's Ronald Reagan. And as we coming in to make that turn, we can see all the way back onto our road.

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That indicated us that we can get off the road. If we can't get off the road, we have to stop on that road. Now, if you build a house on that corner lot, we cannot. Our visibility would be gone. The only time we'll be able to see is the vehicle

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at the road. So therefore, we have to stop. Now you also picture this in mind. We have to make U-turns when we come out. And we all know that Ronald Reagan and how busy Ronald Reagan is. When we make that U-turn, we have to get

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on it, pull out in front of somebody, then we have to stop and turn. People blow horns at us. But we what can we do? So, by building this 2400 square foot home, I don't know how it's even going to be able to do that. It's going to

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interfere with our our site on the our safety. And if we have a trailer, pulling a trailer or boat or whatever, we have we have to get in the second lane to make that turn because it's only a 8ft road. It's a dirt road.

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If you if you pull up pictures, you can see it. But you can see how our road is. see the road. You can barely see it up when you see the lot there. There's just no way that we'll be able to pull up on that road safely and

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people coming in as we do now. As we coming in and out, we have to pull over somewhere on the road to that people come by or else we won't be able to. So, there's certain sections of our road that we have that we all know where they are. So

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we get to that section so the person that is coming can get by us and then we get back on there. So we don't have an entrance, a wide entrance. It's just a narrow road and there two cars can't pull here and another pull there. Some you have to wait till that car gets out

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of the way and then you pull in by this building here. It's really going to be a a safety. Um the entrance is is it's just it's just no way. There's just no way that we'll be able to see

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in that lot. There you go. See? Do you see our road right there? How how skinny it is. Now, you put a house on that lot. We cannot see until we are out there on the road. And people that are coming in won't be able to make that turn. We have

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to stop on the road. And we all know what Go ahead. >> No, no, just one more minute. Just >> Okay. And we all know what Ronald Reagan's like. I mean, it's just getting more and more and more. They're developing it in the back of us. It's getting more people. Um, we got Flea

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World to deal with coming next. Um, God knows what that's going to be like as far as traffic. You I mean, city of Seminal has got a headache on their hands. And by doing this, putting that house there, it's going to cause us a lot of problems

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>> and safety problems. >> Gotcha. >> That's it. >> Gentlemen, any questions for uh for for Mr. Thomas? >> No. Thank you. >> Come on, guys. Give me a question. Just one. >> Well, I guess here's here's I I'll ask this question. It's it's

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>> this is what's known as a parcel of record. And county attorney can correct me if I'm wrong on this, but the property rights associated with this go back to the 1970s at least uh when this lot was created. Is is

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there a fair argument to say that that those of y'all who are down that dirt road dirt dirt road >> moved in after this lot was created and the property rights attached to it? >> No. But see, that's my own problem. The person that bought this lot knew it was

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a one. >> They knew it and now they want to change it. >> No, sir. They're not This is This is not a reszone. Oh, >> okay. But I mean, but even though when they bought it, they knew they couldn't build a house on it because that that was our entrance going in. Without that

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entrance going in, the state's going to have to do something. It's going to have to widen the road or do or give us another lane to turn to get off the road to turn in and which they already done it with the house down the road because they were doing the same thing we were doing. So the city came in there and they widen the road up where they can

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turn. We don't have that option. I mean, our only option I is is just hoping somebody's not coming out when we're going in. >> And by and by by that house there, we won't be able to see it because as we as I'm turning in to my road, I can see a

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car coming and he can see me turning and he'll stop right there to let me go ahead and turn in and then we we'll adjust what we need to do to get by each other. But I can't see anything until he comes right on that road and then I'm I'm coming in the road and then I see him, he sees me. I can't do nothing. He

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can't go out. I can't go in. So, we're stopped until somebody decides, you know, the traffic gets light enough to where he can shoot out. And we all know what Ronald Reagan's like. >> I hear you. Thank you, sir. >> Okay. >> Next person. >> One question. Mir, >> Mr. Thomas.

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>> I'm sorry. One question. >> You commented on the intention of the neighbor. How did you come by that information? Is this something that you're figuring or did you actually >> Oh, no. I believe >> Let me finish. Let me finish the

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question so you can answer. Did you communicate with him with somebody that conveyed those intentions to you so that you could address those to us today or is that something you're figuring? >> Yes, sir. I have talked to um before

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they bought the property. I just happened to be out there on the road and they were walking on the property and they were their intentions was to to buy the property and I informed them then this was way before years before that um this is a private property you would you

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know have to come off Ronald Reagan and so he knows that you know the situation of that property before he bought it but I guess he went ahead and bought it so now he's trying to reszone it. No sir, that's not what's before us. >> This is not a resoning.

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>> Okay. But my but my issue is right is safety. That's my major issue. >> We got and we have to move to the next person. But thank you sir. >> No problem. >> Uh the other form I have is Tracy Driscoll. Miss Driscoll. Uh we've got your name and address on the form so you can just

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go ahead and share with us what you're thinking. >> Yeah. So I I agree with Barry completely on safety but let's talk about you know what is agricultural and what are the setbacks you're asking to go from 100 feet to 150 ft I mean from 150 ft to 100

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ft to go from an a zone to that also to change an a zone from a full acre to a point 2 I mean this property has zoning of a because of what is in that area surrounding area but also if we look at what the setbacks which is required for

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an A1 there's a 50 foot setback for a side street which that would be Thomas stable so you also would have to take in that 50 ft onto that 100 ft. Then if we look at a pres

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easement that has been continuously used for us to be able to enter and exit Thomas Stable Road in a safe manner that has been there for over 30 years. It's not It's very obvious if you go out to the property, you can see that that

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is actually a pulloff area for all the traffic to go there and it has not been asked for permission to use. It's always been there from day one before the people even bought the property. >> Okay. Is that everything? >> That's it.

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>> Gentlemen, any questions uh for this nice lady? Sir, >> would there be any difference if Thomas Stable Road was widened? >> Actually, the property that they reside in, that property actually um enters the middle of Thomas Stable Road. If we look

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at property um lines, so all of the owners of Thomas Stable Road own Thomas Stable Road itself. It's not a actual road. If we widen Thomas Stable Road, you would actually have to take

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another to be able to pull the trailers and the boats that go down there on a regular basis. It would have to double in size. >> But each segment of the road is owned by the property adjacent on adjacent to the road. So it would take all of them to

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have some consensus. Correct. >> To be able to widen it. Gotcha. Okay. >> Gotcha. Mr. School, thank you for your time. Appreciate it. Anyone else in the audience to speak in opposition? Before, gentlemen, before I I ask your

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your comments, uh, I'm going to catch staff flatfooted and and ask you all to comment for the audience's benefit on on two points. Uh, and and whoever answers, you're all

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wonderfully qualified. First, if you all could maybe explain to the audience how parcels of record work and then two, discuss how what we're describing is not a reszone, but how a parcel of record, you know, a lot this old and of this

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size is being kind of shoehorned into the modern land development code. And and whichever of you all want to answer that is fine by me. So, the subdivision regulations for Semino County was developed in July 28th

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of 1970. Lots that existed prior to this date are I don't want to say grandfathered in, but essentially they're grandfathered in, right? Um at that time, zoning was assessed to each property. Um and this one was given an A1 zoning as is the

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entire area. Um the at the time that um A1 zoning was assigned to this property, it was a much smaller size. Um A1 I don't recall off the top of my head, but it was like 20,000 square feet as opposed to being an actual full acre. So

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at the time, these lots, which were different back then before the right ofway taking for Ronald Reagan, um it so it was a larger lot back then, but now um current zoning says that A1 is one full acre. And so these lots that are essentially grandfathered in and legal

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as they stand now do not conform to our current zoning regulations which requires 1 acre and 150 ft of width. Um this is not a reszoning. This is um solely for the lot not meeting the lot size and lot width for the A1 zoning

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district that it is. >> Yeah. And I'll add in to naborker deputy county attorney for the record. Um there it's not a reszoning. It's a lot width and lot size. Many things have happened to this property over the years as the

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years have progressed since the 1970s. But I will say that um you know their access point is not something that you all should consider because I can't sit here and tell you the legal if they have legal access to this private road that's adjacent, if the state's going to give

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them access off Ronald Reagan. All you're being asked to look at today is to a variance for the lot width and the lot size requirements. As far as access, they will have the applicant will be required to work that out um whichever

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way they can. And I'm not ready to appine on that. Nor do I think it's something that you all should take into consideration um for your decision today. >> That'll be at the building permit stage. >> Yes. And and just to confirm, you did say this it's a private road, not not a public

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>> whether it's they mentioned it was it was a private easement and I don't I don't know the status of that road, but as the testimony today that we heard said that it was a private dirt it said it was a dirt road, which leads me to believe it's probably not a >> maintained by the county.

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>> Um we don't typically maintain dirt roads. Um, but that is something that they'll have to be able to show when they come in for a building permit that if they can get legal access off Ronald Reagan through FDOT. Um, they may have some type of vested right there. I don't

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know. I don't know any of those things. But for your purposes today, it's just asking the question, hey, this is a lot and and if they were to develop in the future and they can show all these other things that they have to show, you know, this this would at least check the box for the lot width and the lot size.

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Perfect. Thank you, ma'am. Gentlemen, any questions for staff? >> I have one. >> Yes, sir. Mr. Wright, >> um, can we pull up the picture that's got the aerial on it? It's got both. There you go. Um, the lot adjacent has a

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residence on it. It's got the 17 circle on it. Um, is that also part of this? Was this zoned A1 as well? >> Yes, it's zoned A1 as well. Okay. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> All right.

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>> Thank you all. That that's very helpful. >> So, how about why don't we do this? The chair will entertain a motion and a second and then we can have a conversation. >> Move to deny. >> Move to deny from Judge Bravo. Is there a second?

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>> Fails for lack of a second. The chair will entertain a second motion. >> Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Mr. Leavant has a second. Mr. Wright, your motion. You can start. Um >> if you want to. >> Yeah. No, my my opinion here is again I'm not looking at where the access is

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as the county attorney has advised. Um I'm looking at the lot next to it. It's in the same zoning. It's similar. It's unfortunate that it doesn't meet the criteria that it's currently zoned under, but um I I I still believe that

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it's a, you know, legal lot and it's has a right to be developed, you know, and you know, we can't limit what the development is, but we can go ahead and move forward with allowing at least the progress to start, you know, where they provide access. That's another aspect of the county department. So,

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>> Mr. Levant, any thoughts? >> Yes, I'll share the same opinions. My only question of concern was dealing with the access, but listening to our county attorney, we can't take that in as well as staff have stated it met all the findings for the criteria. So,

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>> judge, your thoughts? >> Okay. I I think just a thought I would share is I I appreciate what these folks are saying. Uh but I I think in fairness uh to the facts on the ground and the applicant, they bought their property subject to the law just as this person

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bought their property subject to the law and and I think those property rights have not been impeded. Uh and I think we're in agreement that u what we're doing does not mean that you know any building will be permitted once they start that process. Uh, and I would say

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if this is approved, those in opposition eagle eye on this as as time goes on. So with that, I'll call the vote. We have a motion to approve. We have a second. Those in favor? >> I. >> Those opposed? >> Opposed? >> Passes. And just so the folks in the

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audience know, the way the rules work, if someone doesn't say something audibly, it's considered voting in favor of it. So, it is passed uh with Judge Bravo being the sole no vote. Uh again, if folks are in opposition to this, would like to appeal, you can do that to

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the county commission. Staff can tell you about that process afterwards. Number five, please. Item number five is a variance request for 1312 via Villanova Wave located in the Sunrise subdivision. The request is for a rear yard setback variance from 25

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ft to 8 ft for a shed in the Sunrise Plan development. The request is to bring into compliance the construction of a 330 ft shed encroaching 17 ft into the required 25- ft rear yard setback. A code enforcement violation number 26-131

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was issued for this structure which was constructed in 2017 resulting in the necessity of this variance. This concludes my presentation. I'm available for any questions. >> Thank you madam gentlemen. Questions for staff. Um just minor thing here but the the the

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exhibit that we have on again my page 87 shows the location being >> site plan >> the site plan being parallel with this big red box that we have there um go back up one more keep right there >> that orientation is just graphic right I

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mean the the picture shows it going the opposite direction more parallel with the backyard >> they're moving it >> into this location there >> is my is my understanding. >> Okay. So, what we see on the aerial in our exhibit is what's parallel to the rear

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yard is going to be switched 90° parallel with the sideyard. >> Okay. Thank you. All right. Any other questions for staff? Is the applicant here? >> Yes, sir. >> Please come on down. >> To the clerk, please. And if you'd share with us your name and

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address, please. >> Yes. Good afternoon. Uh, my name is Lady Huarez and I live in 1312 Via Villanova Way, Winter Springs. Thanks. >> Please. >> Okay. I'm here to request a rear setback

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bearings for a consolidation project at 1312 via Villa Novaway. I currently have two separate sheds in my backyard. One of that was there when I bought the house in 2016. And the other one I built like two months later.

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I recently learned that these structures are not compliant because they seat only four feet from the property line encroaching on the county's utility easement. I'm here today to fix that. Instead of keeping these non-compliant units, I'm

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proposing to demolish the 10x10 and relocate the 12.7x 26 shed to the east side of my property. Most importantly, I am committing to moving the new building to a a food setback if it's approved.

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Uh this will bring the property out of the east momentarily and respect the county access rights. This build this building is an absolute necessity for my family. I do now have a garage and he secures the construction

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tools for my husband's that he uses daily to provide for us. Because our lot is only 020 acres, a standard 20 foot setback will force this building into the center of my yard.

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Creating a safety hazard in blocking our driveway. By granting these variance, you allow us to clean up the property, respect the utility easements, and protect our livelihood. The new design even features a lower 8ft real wall to be more neighborhood

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friendly. Thank you for your consideration. >> Thank you, ma'am. Gentlemen, questions for the applicant. >> Miss Warren, u just a quick question. Have you have you chatted with your neighbors about this? Actually, I have spoken with several of my neighbors and

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they have no objections about, you know, my uh plan. >> Like maybe the one the ones next door and behind you >> that Yes, exactly. >> They're both okay with it. >> Well, um I haven't spoken to the one on my east side, >> but for the rest, even the ones across

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the street, like the north side, I'll say the the the south side, and they're they're perfectly fine. >> How about behind you on the north side? that they're fine too. >> Gotcha. Last call. Any questions? Thank you, ma'am. >> Yes. Thank you.

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>> Is there anyone here to speak in support of the matter? >> Seeing none, I do have a few comment she I've got three comment sheets of folks wanting to speak in opposition. Uh I'll call first Doris Hoffman. And we've got your information on the

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form. If you just go and share with us what you would like. >> I have some I don't have any high-tech pictures, so I just made some copies. Is that okay? >> Sure. Just the clerk can help you with uh the camera picking them up and putting them on the screen. And there's

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a pack of pictures for each person. So, you know my name and address. I live right behind Miss Wararez's house in her lot and she has never spoken to me and

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I've never been in support of it. I was actually on vacation and got home and got the letter from Semino County regarding this hearing and the request for a variance. So, I was surprised when she said that. They are requesting a variance for what

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they say is a limited buildable area due to the setback requirements, noting that the house takes up a significant portion of the buildable area once the setback requirements are applied. They wish to build a quote modest size storage unit to make reasonable quote reasonable use

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of the property consistent in scale with other accessory structures common in our neighborhood. That's in their packet. They So you must have that. I am respectfully speaking in opposition to the this request for several reasons. First, a 12 by seven by 26 foot storage

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shed is not modest and a shed of that size is not common in our neighborhood. Also, most of the lots are simil similar size, a fifth of an acre, quarter of an acre. Uh secondly, they maintain that the pre-existing configuration of the lot

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size and placement of the house prevent them from erecting the structure. However, the property was initially built with a garage and that space was converted to living space. The resulting loss of garage space which could be used for storage was known to them when they

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purchased the house and is not a unique physical condition of the land nor a legal hardship. Third, the disclosure on the application is complete. And this is the 8 by10 picture I gave you. It's an aerial shot. And what I did was I just

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circled some of the structures so we know what we're talking about and if I was more savvy I could do a slide but I'm not. So the disclosure on the application is complete. Number one, the one I've labeled number one that was a wood structure and it was a gazebo but since

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then they clad it with metal roofing making it a storage structure. Number two, the picture on number two they have erected an open roofed structure. I think the estimate is probably about 25 foot length and maybe 12t wide. I can't

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tell from my backyard, but I did had some pictures that you might see it behind the shed on the pictures I made. Uh the number three on that diagram is an existing storage structure approximately 25 by 12 ft. And I believe this is the one they're going to tear

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down and turn around in a different configuration. And number one and three, as they are right now, are about 1 foot from my fence. And number three contains a down spout draining very close to my fence.

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Fourth, their application states, confirmed by the pictures they provided in their packet, that the contents of the structure and the provided the contents of the structure, sorry, and that the structure is intended to store construction tools and equipment used for work. So therefore, I

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request the board deny the variance request or at the very least defer until full full sight conditions are verified and also clarification of compliance with the deed restrictions including any limitations of size and height of the structure as well as any issues running

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a commercial business from a re from a residence which might be something you need to look into or zoning needs to look into. Thank you >> gentlemen. Any questions uh for Miss Hoffman? One quick one and and this this might

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not be a fair question to ask uh because you might have might not have the information handy. Do you know how tall your rear fence is? >> Six foot. Yeah. >> So, the houses are probably I mean the gazebo and the structure are probably 8 foot or more. I really can't tell.

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>> Gotcha. Thank you, ma'am. >> But they're clearly seen on if you look at the pictures. >> Thank you. >> Yes, ma'am. So the fence we're looking at in this picture is 6 feet. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Who's taller? >> Thank you, ma'am.

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>> Okay. Thank you. >> The next form I have is Vincent Ford. >> Evening sir. >> Good evening. Um, I apologize. I'm not used to talking into front of councils, but good evening. My name is Vincent Ford. Um, I live in 1316, which is the

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property parallel to 1312. Lived there my whole life. Um, >> to the left or the right? >> To the If you're looking at the property to the right that one, >> uh, yes, to the right. >> Gotcha. >> Uh, lived there for 35 years. Um, so we've always lived in accordance to HOA

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laws. um we've had we've wanted to enact structures ourselves and you know have been denied by HOA um before. So to see two large structures um being constructed with in a matter of a couple

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years was kind of um a surprise to us. Um, but in getting back to the topic of uh what we're here about, it was the um the buffer zones. Um, so I'm not a uh

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engineer or anything like that, so I'm not going to stand here and pretend like I am, but um I imagine that the buffer zones are there for a reason. Um, they are law. Uh, they exist to protect neighboring properties and preserve

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privacy and maintain safety. Um, so I don't understand why we should allow one property to have special rights above others. They claim unnecessary hardship. Um, I understand they don't have a garage, but when they brought bought the

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property, they were well informed on that. Um, they were well informed on the size of their lot and, you know, any hardship they might acquire by buying the property. but they went ahead and bought the property. So, in order to

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ease their hardship, they've been enacting these structures um one of which has already been denied by code um due to its uh arrangement in their lot.

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Um but for me um they already have a 25 ft trailer roughly the same size as the structure that they already intend on um moving. So in order you know we've already gone through HOA and had the

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trailer um you know removed that they used to park nightly in our in their grass in their driveway and in HOA law that's it's not allowed. So, I don't understand why they can't move these the these construction equipment to their

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trailer and park that where they need to. Um, going back to their equipment, this is a residential lot. This is not a commercial lot. Running a business out of your private residence seems unnecessary to me. um when there's pl

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plenty of other options available, storage units, um other properties that they can go look at themselves and, you know, hopefully buy a bigger lot. You know, their their hardships are now

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becoming our hardships. So um you know I don't have much more to say on that other than you know what we're here for is I know discussing the buffer zones and it's not the buffer zone doesn't direct affect me directly

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um because I'm the parallel unit but if we allow this special case to go forward then what is stopping other neighbors from doing that to us to other neighbors um you know in semol county. So if we

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allow one then why not allow the rest? >> Thank you sir. Gentleman questions uh for Mr. Ford. >> Thank you sir. >> Thank you chairman. >> Yes ma'am. >> Um if you if you don't mind me just interjecting here just to put on the record. Um, so,

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uh, and and you probably all already know this, but, um, maybe about five years ago, the state took away the county's rights to regulate homebased businesses. So, now you can operate a homebased business out of your property.

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There's a few limited regulations to that in the state statute. Uh but generally um residential property owners are allowed by right to um operate homebased businesses. >> Did they also change the law to allow to

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prohibit HOAs from prohibiting residents parking their work vehicles? >> So I don't know about that one that passed also. >> That's a HOA like HOA law. You know I'm I'm not versed in that because it's not my realm of um of specialty. But um I

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will say that as far as a homebased business goes, there's nothing illegal about that um about operating one out of your residence. Now you you can do that. So >> yeah, our our dear legislature has been addicted to preeemption for sure here

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lately. Um but that's another subject. Um our last comment in opposition, I have um Ed Hoffman, please. >> Good evening. >> Evening sir. Uh my name is Ed Hoffman. I

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reside at 1361 Courtain Noea uh directly behind uh Lady and Tobias. I would also like to request a deferral of the approval and additional review of this project for the following reasons.

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The community is a planned development which implies a consistent design standard and the number and size of storage units already on the property and the new 12x 24 unit

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are not common or typical uh in the community and it may be counter to the planning intent. Now, I will need some clarification on this because I thought lady had said she was demolishing the 8 by8 shed to

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relocate the new trailer or is it the longer 25- ft shed? >> I'm sorry, sir. We can't have that conversation now. >> Okay. I just did was I was not clear as to what she was demolishing.

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>> I put up the site plan for you if you'd like to look at it. Okay. the uh square in the center of the property is a gazebo that has been converted into storage and I believe that's the one she

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said made comment on that that's the one she was going to demolish and if that's the case then I don't know where you're going to be able to relocate another 25- ft trailer another 25 ft storage unit and leave the other

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25 ft put storage unit there. So, I'm just I'm not too clear on that. >> We we will just, you know, we're I'll allow her to say a few things in rebuttal. We'll get that cleared up. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, anyway, if we do wind up

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with two sheds over there at and they're joined in some way, it's it's grossly exceeding what would be the standard for something like that in a backyard neighborhood. All right. So, I would ask also ask the board if

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drainage and runoff has been evaluated as the existing 25- ft uh structure has already uh already uh drain the roof drains onto the my back

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fence. So if those two things have been corrected or considered um then I didn't know about it. My other comment would be lady and nor Tobias have talked to me at

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all about the uh proposed project. So uh given these concerns I would request further review before approval. Thank you very much. >> Yes sir. Uh any questions for Mr.

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Hoffman? Thank you, sir. >> Were you there? >> Take that back, judge. >> Now, were you there when they acquired the property? How long have you lived adjacent? >> We've been there 30 years. >> Okay. And these buildings that are on

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the property have been added by them subsequent to their moving on the property. >> One structure has been added by them and one structure existed. The little 8 by8 uh gazebo existed when they bought >> the gazebo. Yes. Would you say they're

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not going to remove? >> I don't know if they're >> No, I thought I I thought I heard you say that. Okay. All right. >> Yeah. I don't know which structure is being demolished. >> All right. Well, we'll ask the applicant back up and we'll get that straightened out. Thank you, sir. >> Thank you.

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>> Is there anyone else in the audience speak in opposition to the matter? >> Seeing none, I I'll ask the applicant please come back up and and share any thoughts you might have having heard that. But uh I would appreciate it if you could address just to clarify what

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will be demolished and what will be moved. >> Yes. My apologies. Um when I meant the people in the back is like I have more people in the back and uh yeah the 8 by10 is going to be demolished. And you

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know, in order for me to conserve all the tools, the necessary tools that I need, well, that my husband needs for work is going to be placed in the uh 127 by 26. Yes. And then I could, you know,

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I could make different ones according to, you know, like the law or, you know, whatever is approved. But I feel like if I make it a little bigger, it will, you know, meet all my needs instead of putting like a one little here, one

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little there. I don't know. But like it's up to the board to decide. I'm just here to present my case. But it's totally up to you what you you know what you um like I said you know he also asked

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one of the um neighbors what is going to be with the with the gravel and all the stuff and I sent you know I give you the papers that is going to be addressed and up to code if the variance is you know

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approved of course but we're willing to you know work with the neighbors to make also accommodate the neighbors for them to be okay. I'm not trying to disrespect anybody in my neighborhood. I'm just like I said, you know, I didn't know about this. I

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just learned and I'm, you know, proceeding to fix it. >> Thank you, ma'am. Gentlemen, questions for the applicant. >> Yeah, I I sir Mr. question. Um, based on our last speaker, you know, the to clear clearly define what your project limits

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are on that picture behind you, the 8x10 structure is going to be removed, >> right? >> The existing structure that was in code compliance was the large structure that was parallel in the pictures to the rear property, >> right? >> That is not staying >> that it's going to be

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>> you're moving that >> moving vertically. >> Correct. So, I just want, you know, because I know they were questioning thinking there was going to be two buildings based on what I interpreted. Now, >> it's just you're moving the long building >> and you're requesting the variance to be 8 ft from the rear property line,

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>> right? I could cut it in half and, you know, have two and two. I mean, you know, no problem. >> No, no. I just I I think there was I just want my understanding when I was listening to the, you know, speaker >> that he thought there might be two buildings there, >> you know, of relative size like that.

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though. >> Mhm. >> Both buildings that are currently along their property line are being removed. One of them, the larger one, is being relocated. >> Yeah, that's correct. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, sir. >> Any other questions? >> Thank you, ma'am. >> Thank you, sir. >> Um, I just wanted to also clarify, just

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to make sure, um, that this variance would only be for this structure. It could not be any larger. It would not pertain to, you know, 15 other sheds along that same 8 foot. That would strictly be for this structure only. And and Mr. Chair. >> Yes sir. Mr. Wright

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>> and again item before us. It's a rear yard setback request down to 8 feet. There is no sideyard setback. The sideyard >> No, she meets it on >> is in compliance. >> Yes. >> Thank you. M What refresh my memory? What are the the height limits for

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sheds? >> Um it would be the height of the house. >> Okay. So certainly more than six feet. Gotcha. Thank you, ma'am. Uh, gentlemen, any other questions for staff before I ask for a motion? I think I'll and much like we had done earlier, I'll ask for a

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motion and then we can we can chat about it. So, is there a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. Mr. Wright, is there a second? >> Second. >> Second from Judge Bravo. Um, Mr. Wright, your motion. Have any thoughts you want to share?

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>> Um, no. I mean, it this is um a code violation. We're we're taking care of a couple items and um applicant is asking for a a variance of 8 ft from our rear setback requirement which is typically you know

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the building line 25 ft. So um I I don't see any issues that cause me pause. So >> judge you you seconded. You want anything you want to add? >> No. >> Okay. Mr. Leavant, anything you want to add? I think just my my thoughts on this

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would be and I I would vote against it and I think you guys have heard me speak like this before in the past that um if we use the land development code as a metaphor for say rules of a board game and if a bunch of neighbors are coming together to play a game, you don't change the rules unless everybody

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comes together and says, "Yeah, okay, that's fine." Uh if we're playing Monopoly, we all agree we're going to take money and put in the middle. If you land on free parking, whoever lands in that gets it. there's a consensus out there. Uh otherwise, the rules of the game stand. And what I'm hearing is the

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directly affected neighbors, they want the rules, they want the land development code as it is enforced. And I I tend to think that people who have property rights have the right to expect them uh to be enforced. And I certainly have respect for the applicant. I

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certainly have great respect for entrepreneurs. Uh but that's just my thinking on that. And and unless any anyone else wants to share something, I'll call the vote. >> You know, the the clarity for me is that I understand we have two direct neighbors that are affected by this.

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That's why I asked about the sideyard setback. >> It has no impact on the sideyard, the neighbor to the to the right. >> Mhm. >> The rear has been affected. Um obviously we've seen their pictures. Now the the advantage here is that instead of being

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whatever that is a foot 2 ft off the river property line now it's 8t and it's turned so that there's less of an impact. So in this case I understand there's still a question but it also is the applicant's right and through our land development code that they have this process that they can request a

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variance because some things times don't things don't fit. >> So you want to rock paper scissors for it or >> No, I do not but I'm just >> fair enough. >> Giving giving you some debate. >> Fair fair enough. Absolutely. Uh so I'll go ahead and call the vote then. Those in favor of the motion to approve say I.

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>> I. >> Opposed? Nay. Passes. >> Oh no. We have a two two. >> Motion fails. Uh so that means the application fails. Correct. >> Well, we could request a new motion. >> Yes, that's true.

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>> You can you can do that. >> Is there a new motion? Chairman, a new motion. There is none. >> I will reiterate my motion to approve, you know, for the failure of the fact that we don't have a motion. >> All right. Is there a second?

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>> Second. >> And second for Mr. Levant this time. >> I'll call the vote. Those in favor of motion to approve say I. >> I. >> Oppose. Nay. >> I think it fails for lack of a motion. >> Am I reading the rules of procedure correctly? >> Well,

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yeah, >> we can. Well, I mean there again, I'm sorry I interrupted over spoke. Um absent absent a motion approving it fails. >> We can correct we can entertain a motion to continue you know to a future meeting when maybe there's more people here to

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give count you know but the motion fails, you know, the applicant has to come back. >> Is that motion you like to make? >> Well, it's a disc are we discussing? Is that is that a fair fair statement?

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So yes, one of a number of things can happen. So this could be tabled to a meeting in the future, just put a pin in it. Um, and it's essentially suspended. It's likened to a continuence. They're

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basically the same thing. Um, the other thing is if you think there is more discussion, I'll just remind the board that you can always condition things, right? You can you don't have to go with the only condition that staff

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recommends. There's a number of things that can be conditioned that if you think would make the impact of what they're requesting less. Um you can put those conditions in place and approve the variance. For example, and I'm just

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giving you examples from because um way back when in another lifetime I was a land use hearing officer and heard variance cases all the time. You know, there many times when there was a shed or something like that that was closer to the property line, you could make a condition that all runoff or gutter

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structures are um faced internal to the property. So there's no overflow to the adjacent property. Um you can condition things on, you know, buffering. You can say, "Hey, I think if it's set back 10 feet instead of eight feet or whatever

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it is from the property line, if the variance's a little less, maybe it'd be less of a visual impact." There's all these, you know, you can require additional buffering. There's all these things that you can require in variances. Um, to make them more palatable to the

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surrounding property owners. Um, so I'll just put that out there. This is in no way trying to argue either way. That's not my job. I'm just giving you options of maybe things that you may want to consider um before just basically this

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um you know leaving this applicant with with essentially what will functionally be a denial. >> Morphin, I think you make some some good suggestions and Mr. Wright and to the others. Let me just throw out an idea that might or might not lead to a motion

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is we could perhaps there's an idea of maybe in continue it to the end of the agenda and perhaps strongly hint to the people in the audience that they go out in the lobby and talk about this. See if there's a way they can reach a consensus and call it back up at the end of the

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meeting. If you all think that's not worth time, it won't hurt my feelings. I have no problem with that. No problem. I'm abstaining from conversation. >> Is there a motion to that end? >> So,

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>> can I ask Steph? >> Certainly, please. >> Sorry. As a followup, the um regard I mean, if we can't if if we motion to continue, motion to table, we can't come to an agreement here. Uh there's a current code violation.

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Correct. How does that affect the code violation as far as enforcement or I mean are we are we putting are are they going to start penalizing financially kind of stuff if we don't >> well um so no typically what happens and Hillary you can talk to this more but typically what happens is if you have a

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code violation and the correct corrective is hey you have to come in and get a variance if the if it's continued and you don't have you don't have a denial per se um then the code enforcement action is typically told during the time and and and the planners

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um Hillary will communicate this with code enforcement and then that'll get to the you know special magistrate and then she can continue to um toll it essentially. >> I have no further questions sir. Thank you. >> Thank you. Were you about to say something sir? >> Yes. So move to continue this to the end

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the agenda. >> Do we have a second? >> Second. >> All right. Those in favor I >> opposed. So what we've done is we've moved this to the bottom of the agenda. And if you and and you would like to go to the lobby outside and talk about this

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and see if you can find a consensus, good. If you want to stand on your rights, that is your right. Uh but we will make our minds up here in a little bit. This is item five. There are nine items. Act accordingly. It's up to you. So having said that, that's moved to the

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bottom of the agenda. We're now on to number six. Take this done with that. >> Yeah. Oh, thank you. >> Item number six is a variance request for 2140 Chapman Woods Place located within the Chapman Woods 5acre development. The request is for an

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accessory structure maximum size variance from 1,795 ft to 2400 ft in the A1 zoning district. The request is to construct a 2,400 ft pole barn exceeding the maximum square footage of 1795 square feet by 605

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square feet. Four letters of support have been received from the adjacent property owners. This concludes my presentation. I'm available for any questions. >> Thank you, ma'am. Gentlemen, questions for staff. >> Seeing none, is the applicant here? >> Yes, sir.

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>> If you'd give us your name and address, please. >> Yes. Thank you. Matthew Belhe, >> please. >> Floor is yours. >> Uh, yeah. No, no additional comments. Okay. I appreciate the the time. >> Any questions for the applicant? Gentlemen,

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>> uh just real quick, to the east of your property, is that just a big old dry retention pond >> to the east? Yes. That's the community behind us. There's a retention pond there. Yeah. >> Cool. >> Yeah. >> Gota. Thank you, sir. >> Yep. >> Um we're done. No questions. That was

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easy. >> Anyone in the audience to speak in support of this matter? >> Seeing none. Anyone in the audience to speak in opposition? Seeing none. What's your pleasure, gentlemen? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve for Mr. Wright. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Second, Mr. Levant. Those in favor?

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>> I opposed. >> See, it's easy sometimes. Enjoy. Number seven, please. >> Good evening. Jaylen Marino, Planning and Development. Item number seven is a variance request for 255 Fallen Palm

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Drive. The subject property is located in the deer run AB subdivision and is within the deer run plan development. The request is for one and east sideyard setback variance from 7 and 1/2 ft to 5 ft and two a rear yard setback bearings

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from 10 ft to 7 and and 1/2 ft for a shed in the planned development. The proposed structure to be constructed will be 10x 12 square ft. The applicant has applied for a building permit number 260001201

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and at that time it was determined that the setback variance will be required. There have not been any prior variances for this subject property. This concludes my presentation. >> Thank you madam gentleman. Questions for staff? Seeing none is the applicant here. Anything you like to add sir?

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>> Do you all have questions for the applicant? No. >> That was easy then. Anyone here to speak in support of the matter? Seeing none, anyone here to speak in opposition? Your pleasure. Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve, Mr. Wright. Is there a second? >> Second.

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>> Second, Mr. Levant. Those in favor? I >> opposed. Enjoy your shed, sir. >> Number eight. >> Item number eight is a varance request for whichever. Yes. >> Sorry. I'm sorry. Go ahead. >> It's okay. Item number eight is a

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variance request for 1236 Bertolebrook Drive. The subj property is located in the deer run unit 7A subdivision and is within the deer room plan development. Their request is for a rear yard setback variance from 15 ft to 11 ft for a

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screen room and the PD plan development. The proposed screen room to be constructed will be 12x 25 ft. The applicant applied for the appropriate building permit number 260000003431 and at that time it was determined that

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the subject variance will be required. There have not been any prior variances for this subject property. This concludes my presentation. >> Thank you ma'am. Questions for staff. Is the applicant here? You'd come on up sir because I know at least I'll have

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one one small question. Uh gentlemen, do you have any questions for the applicant? If you'd share with us your name and address, sir. >> Yes, sir. My name is Joseph Fort representing from 1400 South Ronald Reagan Boulevard, Longwood, Florida, 32750. >> And you're the contractor for the applicant? >> Yes, sir.

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>> Gotcha. Just real quick for me, is is this just going over the existing concrete pad that's out there? >> Not fully, not the whole concrete pad, but a portion of it uh all the way to the rear of the pad, but not left to right all the way on it. >> Gotcha. Perfect.

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And is there anything you'd like to add to what staff had shared? >> The only thing that was not presented at the time was the HOA approval. If you needed to see it, I'd be more than happy to present it. If not, we do have the approval. >> We don't even think about those guys >> and all right. Thank you, sir.

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>> Thank you very much for your guys' time tonight. >> Anyone anyone in the audience to speak in support of the matter? >> Seeing none, anyone in the audience to speak in opposition? >> Gentlemen, move to approve. >> Mr. Leavon is moved to approved. Second by Mr. Right. Those in favor?

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>> Opposed? >> All right. Enjoy. >> Thank you very much. >> And number nine, and then we'll get to the continued ones. >> Item number nine is a variance request for 2180 Chapman Woods Place. The subject property is located in the

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Chapman Woods 5 acre development subdivision. The request is for an accessory structure size variance from 1092 ft to 1920 ft for a pole barn in the agricultural district.

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The request is to construct a 1920t pole barn exceeding the maximum square foot of 10 95 square ft by 825 square ft. They have been we have received letters of support from the adjacent neighbors.

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The applicant applied for the appropriate building permit number 26503 and at that time it was determined that a size variance will be required. There have not been any prior variances for the subject property. This concludes my presentation.

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>> Thank you ma'am. Gentlemen questions for staff. See is the applicant here? Come on down. If you'd share with us your name and address, please. >> Susan Holtry and my husband, Jean, 2180 Chapman Woods Place. Obito.

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>> Anything you'd like to add to what staff had said? >> No. >> Gentlemen, questions for the applicant. Was there a traveling pole barn salesman in your neighborhood? >> No, just good neighbors. Like-minded neighbors. >> I got you. Thank you, ma'am. >> Thank you.

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>> Uh, anyone in the audience to speak in support of the matter? >> Anyone here to speak in opposition to the matter? Your pleasure, gentlemen. >> Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve for Mr. Wright. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Second, Mr. Levant. Those in favor? I >> I.

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>> All right. Those opposed. All right. Enjoy. >> So, let's move back to number three, which is 125 Trinity Assembly Circle. Is the applicant here?

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>> Wow. Hm. >> I guess >> never showed up at all. >> No, I don't think they were here to begin with. >> Yeah, they were never here to begin with. >> Were they? >> Yeah. Well, what is the bo the pleasure of the board? Should we continue this to

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next month or decide it on its merits? >> To continue to next month. >> We have a motion to continue for Mr. Leavon. Is there a second? >> Second. >> A second. And to be more clear, for the record, to continue to next month, you said I just didn't repeat that. >> Those in favor say I. I >> opposed. All right, we'll try again next

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month, which then moves us to number five, which is 1312 via Villanova way. I think our friends might still be chatting. Go And I will ask the applicant please, you

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take your time now, but come on down to the podium please. If you just share with us whether you and your neighbors have had u a successful conversation. I did this actually with two of my neighbors. Um,

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however, I'm a little hesitant to speak with, you know, the one in my east side because, you know, he actually was very um rude to me previously. He will approach my husband. >> That's I don't >> Right. Right. So, I I I you know, I

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didn't >> answer the answer is no. >> No. >> Gotcha. Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. Um, gentlemen, what would you like to do with this matter? I think we've already voted on it. >> No, we we we failed. >> We had a motion to approve and a motion

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to deny. So, we can approve, we can deny, or we can continue to next month, >> which might be over the objection. Would you rather us decide tonight or would you rather have another month to see if you can work something out? >> It's up to you. It's up to the board. >> Well, if you have a preference, I mean,

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we'll do what we want. We're just curious as to your preference. Um, like I said, you know, um, if it makes you feel better, we can, you know, put that for the continuence. I don't know. >> Like I don't know how this works to be honest. It's the first time.

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>> Fair enough. Fair enough. Gentlemen, what do you think? >> Well, if we move giving her another month, >> gives her a chance to communicate with that neighbor and maybe he'll come back for the next meeting. >> You were going to say something, Larry? Well, I was just um whether I can ask

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staff at this point any questions. >> Sure. Yeah, please. >> Um the looking at the the exhibit that we have on the screen now, the residence to the left has multiple looks like multiple buildings basically. what what I

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consider to be inside that setback that they're the required setback for I'm assuming that that lot is in the same zoning and has the same setbacks. I'm making that assumption. That's why I'm asking staff if that's correct. Are

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those buildings to the left in compliance with the setback? >> Um that is correct. They would have the same setback. However, I will note that if the shed is less than two 200 f feet, 200 f feet, um it only has a 10ft rear yard setback

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as opposed to to 25, >> which you know, again, I obviously we can't measure it here, but if I'm looking at that picture, the there's two buildings there that look very much in close proximity to the applicant shed.

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>> You're an engineer. Come on. You can't just >> I'm not I'm not throwing them out there. They're going to hold me to it. Um, all I'm saying is that little corner shed in the in the very corner has a proximity to its rear property neighbor is very close to what this one is. >> Agreed.

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>> Was there ever a I know at the beginning I believe you said there was no variances in this area that were done. >> I did not find any variances. >> So my my thoughts back to you gentlemen are is there there's a living example that's not that far off from where we're at now. Um,

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>> just >> you want to make a motion? >> Well, again, I'm just throwing that out there, but yes, I mean, for the purposes of that, I will make a motion again to approve. So, >> all right, we have a motion to approve for Mr. Wright. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Second, Mr. Leavon. Uh, any I'll call

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the vote, but first, does anybody want to share a thought that's new? All right, seeing none, uh, we have a motion to approve, and it's been seconded. Those in favor? I >> oppose? Nay. Nay.

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I would say this has failed. I'm going to call this as as a failed vote. I'm not going to ask for a motion to deny uh because I think we'd be at the same impass. Uh so, ma'am, it's I'm sorry. It's it's it has not been approved. If you want to appeal what we've done tonight, you can do that to the board of

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county commissioners. Uh and when when we're finally done tonight, um staff can help you with any questions you have about that process. >> Sure. >> Okay. Uh, with that, the last thing on the agenda then would be the minutes and the chair will entertain a motion. >> Don't we have >> Thank you, sir.

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>> She was the second one continued. >> Oh, that's right. I'm sorry. The church that I'm still thinking they're here. >> Yeah, >> the Holy Spirit maybe, but >> All right, we have the chair will entertain a motion on the minutes. >> A motion to approve the minutes. A second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I.

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>> All right, that is it. Unless anything else you'all would like to chat about? >> No. >> All right, go Magic. Good luck. Thank you all so much for coming tonight. Are they playing tonight? Do they Heat. Heat.