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Heat. Heat. Well, 1:30 has come and gone, and I didn't realize it. So, hello. We'll let Jenny finish handing out things. I'm going to call the meeting to order. Welcome to the afternoon session of our

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bud first budget second budget work session leading up to the third budget work session. Seems like they go on forever at this time of year. >> Um we're going to start and uh Dr. Johnson, you owe this to me. We're gonna start with you today because

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we always put you as the finish batter on this and I and Darren and I spoke I said can we please move him to the front of the list this year. >> I told >> thank you so much. I appreciate uh being moved up a little bit. Um of course I don't have a problem waiting but it's

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nice uh to start first. >> Well done. >> Well uh thank you for the opportunity to uh present to you all this afternoon. Um today I'll briefly outline our annual operating budget projections and how the county's contribution continues to support public health here in Simino

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County. Um so this is our projected revenue for our 2526 fiscal year ending in a couple weeks on June 30. Uh we're ending the year in a slightly better predicament than uh what was projected this time last year actually. that is primarily due to a uh it's a private grant that

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was due to us the fiscal year prior to this that didn't come uh and to be honest we didn't really budget to receive it because of some changes that happened and we did receive it uh which is always good so we ended the year like I said or are ending the year in a slightly better predicament this here is

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our uh projected revenue for our 26 27 budget year um there are a few line items that are going down others that are going up but we still project to be around the same in terms the uh revenue by the end of uh next fiscal year.

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And then uh this is just a graphic visualization of our 2627 projected revenue uh broken down by category. The county's core contract contribution and the integrated health services contract account for 9% of our overall uh annual

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operating budget. This is a three-year uh budget trend. Uh, as you can see, we've kept expenses as flat as possible over the last few years. Uh, also even a couple years prior to that, we've tried to keep expenses the same. Um, but to remain above that 5% cash balance threshold,

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which for us, we try to keep it between 5 and 10%. We are going to have to do some uh work to reduce expenses this coming year. Uh, so we are currently working on that uh diligently. Uh, of course, this is acknowledging some of the things changes happening at the federal and state level and then

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possibly even the local level as well. Um some of the things that we're already doing, uh we recently, um were delegated the private well program from the St. St. John's River Water Management District. Um so that is a slight increase in revenue uh to the local

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county health department. Uh but then there's some other things we're doing to reduce expenses. Our medical director is retiring uh in the early spring of 2027 and we're looking at a shared model with the Oyola Health Department. um we may end up needing to hire a part-time lower

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level provider to fill in some of the gaps uh to the direct services she provides, but our medical director is really there to provide um nursing protocols and clinical oversight, which would be able to be done over multiple CHDs. So, we hope to save some money there uh and reduce expenses there. And

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then we are also really working diligently to combine positions wherever possible uh and uh identify staff that have expertise and skills that cross over multiple programs. uh to reduce um some FTES possible this coming year.

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>> So uh this is and I apologize for the uh error on this slide. The bottom it should say 2526 budget request. Uh this is our request for this current fiscal year. Um the cinema seminal county uh government's contribution to the Simol County Health Department for the current fiscal year. Um, so over the next few

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slides, I'll just kind of outline what we've been doing with your funding, how we've been uh making an impact with the funding here. For starters, communicable disease control, environmental public health, public health preparedness, and community health are the four core functions and statutory requirements

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that county health departments exist to perform in the state of Florida. Um, so Simino County, the cash and the inind contributions support the provision of these services significantly. um Semino Countyy's in kind support uh such as the three of the four sites that

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we operate out of here as well as the uh vehicle and facility maintenance support all of our programmatic operations. We've listed a few here. Uh injury prevention for us primarily consists of programming that prevents childhood injuries. Um we've given away 190 swim

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lesson vouchers to families uh focusing on families with children on the spectrum. Uh we've given about 30 pack and plays away since July, focusing on families of course that don't have safe sleep environments. We've also done uh water safety lessons for 80 children and 430 parents and grandparents through our

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injury prevention program. I uh also participate uh and we help lead the um child abuse death review uh here in Simino County. Um our women infants and children program or the wick program has about 6,500 clients uh every month or appointments every month between the

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Sanford and the Castleberry locations. A few of those appointments are also virtual. Um on average, uh those clients redeem around $580,000 uh at uh certified wick um vendors here in Simino County each month. Um our

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vital statistics program is one of the few programs that uh we have that uh generates revenue. It brings in about $35,000 a month. It helps support the staff that administer that program as well as other direct services provided by the health department.

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Um and our fixed dental clinic which is separate of course from the uh uh schoolbased program that you all support. Um we've saw since July 1,770 uh patients in that clinic. That clinic is primarily supported through uh

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Medicaid reimbursements. However, um that doesn't cover the full cost of it. So there are some non-local dollars that we're able to put towards that. And uh the only reason we do that because we still see it as a critical need in our community. Um, so that's mostly children and young adults ages 3 to 20 years old

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that uh go there. And we do there are some circumstances where where we will see adults. Uh, we hosted the veteran standown at the health department. Our dentist did see some of the veterans that were there. So that was nice that we're able to do that. Um, also, as you know, the environmental public health

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program is responsible for permitting uh a number of different types of facilities across the county. tattoo, body art, uh public swimming pools, mobile home parks, tanning salons, school cafeterias, uh septic systems. Um that is something that I've stood before

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you all and I've mentioned the transition of the septic program from the Department of Environmental Protection to the Department of Health. Uh but at the end of last year, we did get uh a message basically saying that that has been halted indefinitely, the transition. So, there are counties in

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the panhandle uh as well as a couple on the northwest um side of the state who have transitioned the program to D and then there are other counties in Central Florida like ours uh that have not but we're in the process of doing so. Uh so,

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uh we are in the middle of making sure that we're able to still provide those services to uh residents. Uh, also just being honest to make matters a little more complicated here, one of our long-term employees who uh is known by all the septic contractors in Central Florida. I think she might be our longest employee at the health

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department. She actually passed away last month and um she was uh well known, well-liked by our contractor. So, it's a a heavy hit to the community, I feel like, but also uh to programmatic operations. So, we are getting assistance with our septic program from Charlotte County Health Department.

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actually they're helping virtually write some of our permits while we train some of our new staff to be able to do that. And then I'm always very open with anyone that has issues to be able to contact me directly if it's to a specific permit. And I know I hear from you all sometimes around that. So we're continue to work on that, continue to move forward with uh environmental

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health. Um our breast and cervical cancer prevention program provided 270 screenings, mammogram and papsmears since October. Uh something great about that program, we're able to drop the age down from 50 to 40 since people are being diagnosed much earlier. Um so that's been helpful. And then our public

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health preparedness grants allow us to do a lot, not the least of which is to continue to partner with emergency management um and sheltering during a hurricanes with uh staffing special needs shelters. And actually yesterday we were able to participate with emergency management and later elementary with the full scale uh

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exercise for special need sheltering which was great given we have so many uh new staff. Of course, there's a lot of other programs not listed on this slide that uh through your INC kind support. Uh you do support our um childhood immunizations clinic, our school health screening and education, HIV treatment

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and case management, family planning, several other programs. So, um Seminal County's uh government's direct services contribution or that core contract amount um it goes to uh supporting some of our most critical services. These are areas that are

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mandated for us to perform. Uh but they would function quite differently if uh if seminal county government did not support uh these programs in the way that you all do. Um those programs include uh epidemiology, rabies prevention, tuberculosis or TB control, STD prevention and clinical services. Um

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our epidemiology team conducted 3,300 investigations of reportable diseases over the past year, well since July. of those 3,300 or so, 1300 of them were related to rabies. Um, so which accounts for about 40% of all of the reportable diseases here that we are uh working

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with. Uh, so and Simino County is number three uh for rabies exposures actually right now. So that is something we're working diligently with uh animal services um with um >> He just said did you have something to do with that? >> Yeah, it's all my district two.

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>> Yeah, the great outdoors. >> Yeah. and and and it's some non-traditional exposures as well. Uh school um after school. So, we're we're working with some nontraditional partners as well. Uh just to do some more education, uh emergency departments. Um and I mean it's it's it

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sounds scary. It is Florida. A lot of times people forget we have bats. Um you know, maybe leave the raccoons alone, that kind of thing. But that is a heavy workload for our disease control staff. Um, also we um in terms of TB, so infectious TB, a lot of times people

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think TB was like eradicated or something. Still exists. We actually had six infectious uh infectious cases. Uh which seems like oh six isn't a lot. It is a very heavy case load. We have two nurse case managers uh and they're responsible for overseeing their treatment over the course of nine

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months. um which is difficult when these uh individuals may have uh be transient may have coorbidities other difficulties and then in addition to uh uh the infectious cases we actually also have latent uh TB cases that we provide treatment for there's about 35 of those

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and then there's another 106 latent TB cases that fall under EDN electronic disease notification so they're still uh latent cases but they're associated with immigration so we have to we report those that they've been uh treated for that um moving on uh STD prevention um

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our staff investigated uh over 1,700 cases since July. Um one of our critical public health benchmarks for the STD prevention programming is to within 14 days to get 90% of those individuals and their partners into treatment. Uh and we are at 90%. So we're we're happy that

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we're keeping up with that. Uh and again, this funding really helps us keep up with that because that's a critical indicator of being able to control the spread of infections like that. Um and then um our clinical services that are mentioned here, uh that are supported in part by this funding include physical

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exams, lab screenings for like high cholesterol, kidney and liver dysfunction, uh even prostate cancer screening. So over 2,500 services to about 920 clients since October um were provided uh these services with the

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support of the county dollars. Uh these special projects um or these are the are supported by the um the uh health services grant. with a special grant from the county. Um these include the diabetes prevention education,

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dental sealant program, our integrated system of care, which is really like our mobile unit, and then nutrition education. Um six since October, we hosted 20 diabetes empowerment programs, uh representing five full cohorts that averaged about 40 participants each

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cohort. Uh we also did 26 one-on-one uh diabetes counseling sessions for clients uh needing individualized support or ones that were like unable to attend the actual program. In terms of the dental sealant program, we were able to see

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since uh October 711 students at 15 schools. Um altogether we provided 3,100 services to them and that uh included uh sealants, uh dental screenings, fluoride treatments, uh and uh cleanings. Uh

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something since we did get that uh a slight increase in funding to put towards that. Uh one of the things that we're able to do is provide these services over the summer. So we're excited to be able to start that and reach some of the kids that for one reason or another weren't able to uh get the parent consent in and things like that during the school year. Uh so we

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hope to reach more students this summer. And then something else that we did just to measure impact, we did look at our uh fifth graders who we saw in second grade. Uh the second graders who received um uh dental services from us. We saw those services were 95% effective at preventing dental carries or uh

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cavities. Uh so we're happy to see the impact that that program is continuing to have because of your support. Um let's see here. Um the county grant funding uh supported 30% of all of our mobile clinic services uh through that

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integrated system of care. Um this includes services such as similar to what we do in our fixed clinic, the labs, physical exams and medical screenings. There are certain things we can't do on the mobile unit just because of the size in terms of procedures. Um but the grant supported 136 adult

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physical exams, 336 medical services, which are uh blood pressure, BMI, immunizations, 255 blood draws, and uh 25 mobile health service outreach events. Um something also with that program we'd like to note is about six 60% of the adults we do physicals on, we

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end up being able to link them to care, whether it's with us, Shepherd's Hope, or True Health, which is also great because we don't just want to uh screen them or uh diagnose them. we want them to be linked to care, be able to stay healthy or become healthy. Uh so that's been uh helpful also with the blood

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pressure screenings. Um in some cases, we found it to be life-saving uh because only about 30% of the screenings that we do uh for Semino County residents were within normal range. Uh over half of them were at hypertension stage 1 or higher. And uh 3% of them, which was

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about 31 residents were in hypertensive crisis at the time of screening. Um so either our nurse that was there or a family member that was already there had to kind of get them into care immediately. Uh which is great that uh we're able to do that. Um also well with

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that said um we've transitioned the nutrition program one to focus a little bit more on adults but then to also focus on heart health and chronic disease prevention. Um and we haven't totally pivoted away from children. through our school health program, we've been able to hire a registered dietitian

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who actually does one-on-one uh counseling with some of the students, the children. So, we're able to use this funding uh nutrition education for uh adults. We've had 153 Semino County residents receive individualized nutrition education and then uh 16 group

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nutrition classes uh that included 153 um residents and that we offer the on the move to better heart health program. Um let's see. And then one other thing to note here, 90% of the class uh participants showed an increase in

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knowledge by the end of uh participating in that. Uh so we're requesting to receive to continue receiving that $87,970 contribution that supports our our core public health services. Uh and we're

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requesting uh uh $60,000 less than what we did last year for the integrated health services uh contract. Uh we've just identified some internal efficiencies that would allow us to reduce the requests but still not reduce the number of services provided. Uh

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that's a part of us um combining positions um and looking to see how we can just continue to do things more efficiently. Uh but with that uh that's all I had for um in terms of my presentation. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you for a great presentation. I do want to turn back to

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I think it was page 82 in the document and just get on the record what year that was. I think that's 2627. Do you all agree? >> No, this is this is fiscal year 26 and then if you go ahead the next budget is

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fiscal year 27. >> This is fiscal year 26. >> Yeah, >> I'm sorry. >> This is fiscal year 27. I apologize. >> Thank you. Okay. Um All right. As long as we're good for the record, I I I just want to say a couple things. Number one,

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I just love the the outcomebased measurements that you're doing it that report back the results, the the kids in second grade versus fifth grade and the success rate with that. It it really does make us feel like we're making an investment in the people in our

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community that need an investment. And so I I do appreciate that you bring all of that to the table, do it in such a short amount of time and that you requested less money than than last year based on building efficiencies and delivering the same amount of services. So I'm looking at the team behind you

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and saying thank you to you to the entire team to you as well. And we are very sorry for the loss of a long-term employee for you. >> Thank you. >> Commissioners, anything further? Yes. Um you mentioned that the health department is responsible for investigating um what

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was it infant deaths or did I mishar you? >> Um so no we the health department manages the child abuse death review. Was that what you were >> death review? The child abuse death review. >> Yes. So that >> can you explain that what that is? >> Yes. So that is actually chaired at uh kids house. Um and an employee there is

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actually the chair of it. It is a department of health program that's within every judicial circuit across the state. Uh I'm not sure the history of it, but for some reason our judicial circuit is split and Simino County has its own uh CADR. Thankfully, we don't have to meet as frequently because we don't have the number of deaths that

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some of these other judicial circuits do. But what we do is we meet and we review all of the uh deaths that are potentially related to child abuse. Uh we as a group decide uh or determine whether or not we think the death could be prevented. Uh and then the partners

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that are around the table usually um do pro uh create programs that help address some of those things. And that's why I sort of mentioned some of the um childhood uh injury and death prevention activities that the health department is working on. >> So I heard that statement through the

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lens of my role on the medical examiner committee and wondered so are you getting those cases to review from law enforcement, from the medical examiner? How are they presented to you? >> So they are all they come in through uh

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DO and DCF but they have already been through uh these cases usually the deaths have occurred uh months prior. Um so they have already been through the medical examiner. Uh the nurse practitioner that was associated with the case is usually there and part of the review. Uh if law enforcement was involved which most of the time they are

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they are usually there part of the review as well. So, it's a a pretty diverse group of folks reviewing the case and those that were actually involved in the specific case usually call in as well. >> Okay. And I'm assuming that I I I shouldn't assume anything. Are the state

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attorney and public defender or do they have a seat at the table? Representatives. Okay. All right. I'd love to learn more about that sometime. >> Okay. Absolutely. >> Thank you. >> Yes, Commissioner Zindau. >> Uh Dr. Johnson, uh thank you for your

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great work. you had big shoes to fill from the last individual that was in your post. Bravo. Good job to you and your staff and in and moving that forward. Um question on the the fluoride treatments. As you know, fluoride has been taken out

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of the drinking water. Have you seen any kind of significant uptick uh and any necessary treatments post compared to what it was before? If you're tracking such, >> we're we're not really tracking that. um that would and that would be hard to determine because you know we only have

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contact with the patients that come in through our fixed clinic or that we see in the schoolbased program. Um what possibly be that could be something we look at in this coming year are the the students our fifth or second well probably our fifth graders who we did not see uh in second grade and what some

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of their outcomes are uh what's the difference in their outcomes compared to students who we have seen or maybe even students who have seen other private providers. Uh, so that's something we could try to figure out. >> Great. If you do, if you could forward that over to my office, I'd be very thankful for that. >> Yes, sir.

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>> Share with everyone, of course. Uh, or give to Mr. Gray and he'll make sure that we all get a copy of it. >> That'd be very helpful. >> And, uh, can >> I piggyback on that, Commissioner Zenbower for just a moment? >> Sure. >> So, I was actually curious about the same thing. I was going to ask it because there you go again. Right. Here

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we go. But it's really important because one of the dynamics and I know we talked about this a couple of years ago is that for years many of our water utilities in Seinal C seinal county never had fluoride in the water to begin with. So

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that really only impacted certain water utilities. So that is another complication of you teasing out that data. I know but but I think I would love seconding the if it's possible to track it would love it. >> Yeah, absolutely.

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And I'll do my best to to cut back on the rabies increases. It's what I call where two worlds collide. Um the great outdoors and folks that have recently migrated to my district that maybe don't have a lot of history with interacting with wildlife.

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Um you know, raccoons and possums are not pets. Um and they quickly let you know they're not pets, and that's unfortunate. Of course, rabies treatment, as you probably well know, is is a very painful treatment for human beings.

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>> Um, so very expensive. >> Yes. >> We appreciate y'all's work. Thank you. >> Hearing nothing else, I'll just let you know there's a little red fox running around on the Heathrow Golf Course that I'm pretty sure is uh somehow impacted by something, just not behaving

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normally. So, I'll just report that for public service. We appreciate you. Have a wonderful rest of your day. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you, Dr. Johnson. >> All right, state attorney William Shiner. >> Beat the rabies discussion.

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>> Good afternoon everybody. >> Good afternoon. >> Good afternoon. >> So, I'm going to cover a couple of financial slides before we get to the question. The state attorney's proposed budget request is 763,000. This is paid out of the article 5 fund. However, dedicated article 5 revenues do not

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support the total cost of services. So, a transfer from the general fund is required. The true state attorney's funding is 36% from article 5 fees and 63% from a general fund transfer. There's no county positions in the budget. However, these funds support the cost of 1.5 state FTEEs.

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The total propos proposed budget is increasing 3% from 741,000 to 763,000. That concludes the presentation. >> Good afternoon everybody. As I said, uh thank you for being here. Um I was here

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last year before you all and I asked for a rather significant increase relative to what has been previously asked for. Um I'd like to provide an update on that. We have been um what I call affectionately moving into the 21st century as an office with digital media

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and computer services and computer equipment and case tracking systems. Uh we are fast moving forward to being one of the cutting edge offices within the state of Florida. Having one of the better case tracking systems and evidence tracking systems that will allow us to share our information

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efficiently and quickly and accurately not only with our law enforcement partners but with the people who engage in discovery. So the public defenders office and the private bar who practice criminal law here in Semino County and in Bvard County. So for that, I thank

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you all for your efforts in helping us champion that project. And as promised, I'm not asking for anything more this year than cola for my staff, the 1.5 um staff members that we have. Thank you. >> Great. Good presentation. >> That was easy.

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>> Yeah, that was what What are the 1.5 employees? >> They they work on uh digital media and digital evidence, and it's split between the the circuit. So, Bvard County carries half of them and then you guys carry the other half. Um, and so that's they are either digital media

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specialists, um, IT, uh, positions or support. Um, but the vast majority of them and the significant increase that we've seen has been our efforts to import um, you saw this presentation probably 2, three years ago from the sheriff's department, the axon and

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digital evidence and body camera growth. And so for every officer that has that, I need someone that can import that information. And so we've increased that that's those positions as a result both under Mr. Archer and myself. So

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>> thank you. Any questions? >> Thank I have a thank you. um related to our ongoing work on the medical examiner facility. Um I cannot be more grateful for your support and your team support and helping us to um tease out I keep

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I've used that phrase now twice. Let's start a start a game. How many times will I use the phrase tease out today? Um helping us really um drill down into the areas that are most important for us and and for your part in that piece of the medical examiner. And so, thank you

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for your continued support and um and your cander as we move forward with that project. We'll continue to need your input. And I'll say the same thing as when uh Mr. Treus comes up, including all of our stakeholders in this process. >> And and I I would echo that back to you. I appreciate uh a seat at that table and

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the open conversation and the collaboration that is present not only here in this room, but across this county um as it relates to both public safety and moving things forward in the right direction. So I appreciate that. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Have a wonderful day. >> You guys have a great day.

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>> We appreciate the work you do. >> Miss Amber Patrick, guardian adidum program. >> Hello and welcome. The guardian ad item budget is is $182,000. This is paid from our general fund. The department has two county positions with

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no request for changes in the future budget. The total proposed budget is projected to grow from 165,000 to 182,000. This increase is fully attributable to salaries, benefits, and health insurance costs for existing employees. There is no change to the operating budget

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request. Thank you. We continue our efforts in recruitment of the community so that we do not have to have any increase in our budget. Um we have been successful in in that we have 76% of our children in the county um dependency system who are

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being represented by a volunteer from our community and we've fully support train and supervised them in this process. Um we are proud to say that Simon County's dependency um system numbers of children in the system

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continue to um decline and we continue um to support our community based care in the diversion efforts that they have in the community. Um we I just wanted to come and say thank you for your support your continued support of our agency. >> Great.

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>> Thank you. >> We appreciate you. I say this every year. Uh I'm we are adoptive parents and for anyone who may be listening who has never considered being a guardian at lightam I will share with you this the only person that was consistent in my

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son's life from the beginning of foster till the end of foster was his guardian adllightam the volunteer paid employees rotated all of the rest rotated and it was a gamecher in terms of getting him to the right place

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>> thank you welcome Commissioner Zimbau. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. I I would uh >> argue that it's probably per capita some of the best money we spend. >> This this sets the future for those

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children, saves saves the taxpayers a great deal of money that otherwise would need to be spent uh should these children not find their way to a good place. So, thank you very much for all the work you and your volunteers do. >> Appreciate that, sir. Thank you.

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>> All right. Hearing nothing further. >> Thank you. >> You're out of the barrel. >> Thank you very much. >> Keep doing the great work you're doing. >> Thank you, ma'am. >> Take care, Amber. >> All right. We are at the public defender portion of our program. We'll have Mr. Bla1 Treus.

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>> Good afternoon, Chairman her and Central County Board of County Commissioners. The public defender's total budget request is 275,000. Funding is 36% from article 5 fees and 63% from general fund transfer. There are no county positions in the public

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defenders budget. The proposed budget is increasing 2.8% from 267,000 to 275,000 over the current year. >> Thank you. Um this this slide is a slide

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that I presented and what it shows is the funding from Seminal County for the last nine years and the actual funding is the green color and as you can see there was a steep drop off in 2023 2024

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in which I was able to reduce my budget by a a very large amount. The blue part of the graph shows what the my my budget would have been had it increased by the statutoily required amount of 1.5% per

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year. That is in the Florida statutes and there is a pretty hard uh enforcement mechanism within that statute. Fortunately, I've not uh come close to raising my uh budget by that much. And as you can see from the graph,

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my budget now is less than it was uh 9 years ago. Um so I'm I enjoy working with Timothy J's budget director. I'd like to thank him for his great work that he does and I also like to thank

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financial administrator Wend Villis. Uh they do they both do a wonderful job coordinating with my office and I appreciate the work that you do. Uh that would conclude my presentation unless there are any questions. >> So I do have a question. What do you

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attribute your uh miraculous budgeting to? I I would attribute it to we've had a decrease in crime. >> Um actually I think more so what it is is I shop around for vendors and do a uh

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I think a very good job at that. And when I uh some vendors, you know, think they can just increase increase and you know what, you're free to look around and go to different vendors. And secondly, um I think a major part of it is storage of data. I think you have to

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look at it like on a triage basis. You don't I don't need data from 10 years ago. I need data stored on cases that are current and maybe a year or two closed, but I don't need, you know, years and years of data at expensive storage rates. So, I've also focused on that and I attribute it to those two

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things. Uh, Commissioner, >> interesting. >> Can you teach a class on that? >> Yes, that's what I was going to answer. >> We have that might be helpful. >> I've got a question. >> Yes. Commissioners >> with with your old case files

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going back 10 years, 8 years, whatever it is. Have you deployed technology to preserve those or? >> Yeah, they're preserved. It's just it's much less expensive than having instantaneous access. >> Got it. Okay. I wanted to make sure I understood the mechanism. Great. Good work. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.

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>> Right. Well, thank you. Have a great day. Thank you. >> Have a good rest of your day as well. >> That brings us to clerk of the court and controller Grant Malloy. >> Good afternoon. Good afternoon. >> What are you doing on the

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>> Okay. It's good to be here this uh afternoon. Appreciate your time. Happy to present our budget. I think you'll be pleased with it. I'm handing out there the citizens financial report. Uh these are available for public distribution.

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They're also on our county website. uh the clerk website clerk.org and we've been doing this each year. It gives you a snapshot of the financial pictures of Siml County has information on the county in there as well. And I'm I'm proud to say that this year like past

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years, we've won the excellence and financial reporting award for that document as well. As you know, we do that with the annual comprehensive financial report. And this last I think it's the last six years the county has also won the same uh award for the

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budget presentations. So we're one of the few counties that could claim the triple crown of financial excellence and financial reporting awards. So I want to thank Tim Jackson and his crew, county crew and and my crew as well. I think it represents our county well. I do have in

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our audience I have my IT director Tony Landry here. There's some specific questions on that. I've got recording director and general counsel John Newton here as well as the inspector general and uh Jenny Spencer as well from the

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comproller office and our inspector general's Randy Nunley. So we're going to go through the presentation I have here before I get started. I know the early in the budget cycle there was a request to keep increases

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uh below 3% I believe and uh we worked very hard and I'm pleased to say that we're coming in with a budget that's actually smaller than last year and I noticed some of the other presenters were showing comparisons to other counties and he had fancy maps and everything. I didn't have a chance to put all that together but I do have a

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spreadsheet here if you're able to zoom in a little bit. >> Is that correct? >> Was that zoom? Yeah, zoom into that. And I'm proud to say that our comproller office is the most efficient of any similarsized county uh with half the

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staff and often half the budget as other comproller offices. We have a very professional staff doing a great job. I mentioned these awards and we're providing a great value to the public. So I'm happy to say that we've come in today and is the presentation here.

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Okay, I'll go over this. Our budget is a decrease at 3.4% uh portion of that, a large portion of that is the decrease of the record center lease that is off our books. I was listening some of the earlier conversations and I'm totally agreement

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that uh the clerk's office shouldn't be in control of property. Um I think the county has sufficient staff and expertise to manage that and I've been working with the Darren to figure out plans for the future of that building. Uh you have an excellent uh property

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team with Chad Wilski. We've been very pleased with how they've been helpful in maintaining the building for helping us out and proud to say too that over the course of the last few years due to efficiencies and reducing our footprint,

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we've turned over 3,000 square foot of that building to other constitutional offices and other entities. The the sheriff has a presence in it there. Supervisor of Elections does as well and a very small portion of the soil and water board. Uh we have their files in

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there as well. Uh and there can be more space in the future. I heard there was a conversation earlier about uh more space for the supervisor of elections after the remodel is done at the CJC. Our uh plan is on January 4th

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to move our recording department over into the courthouse. There's a footprint for that that we're going to include into it. We will keep the records management team there at the building, but it will be another reduction in space that we could repurpose for other

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county purposes. So, I'm happy to say we're work happy to work with you on that. And on the other side too with the efficiencies on the court side, we've done going paperless, getting rid of paper files, that has reduced our footprint by 24%. So when you add it up,

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it's about 17,000. I'm calculating 687 square foot of a smaller footprint due to efficiencies in our office. So our budget goes down by 3.4% per year. This gives you a snapshot of where the percentages are. And it's important to

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note this mainly funds our constitutional responsibilities of the clerk to the board. As you know, my team's here every meeting keeping track and of uh the votes and the documentation. We also have the comproller and the

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independent auditor. And there's a small portion of recording services in there too. This gives you a breakdown of where those expenses go. I think I need better glasses. Let me look at mine

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which you see the corresponding 3.4% reduction. This is a breakdown on the FTEES. We have uh about the same FTE headcount of 37. Again, that is about half of comparable counties that have 70 to 100

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different employees in their comproller team. uh we're providing great services and uh again I'll cover some of these efficiencies. I mentioned the efficiencies that have occurred through paper records. Everything is fully electronic now which has uh led to a lot

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of the reduction in space which really came in handy during this remodel process. If those paper files had been full and we had the same system been a nightmare to move all that out but we had to clear out every square foot from CJC. We have a temporary workspace over

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in the old jury room and that uh thank goodness we were paperless. Ironically, some of those file rolling file company um rolling files there were repurposed by the new district court of Florida. So, we were also able to recycle some of

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these. They were happy to get them. I was happy to get rid of them. But a lot of those were repurposed for the new district court of appeals that the state of Florida created a couple years ago. A little bit about uh behind the scenes. We have uh most cases come in

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electronically as you're aware. Uh our case maintenance system provides paperless workflows. We keep adding that to reduce the work um reduce the amount of employees needed to handle documentation. And this has worked very well with the

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judges. We put in place the judicial viewer where they can access all documents. uh FDLE and other uh sources of information right from their desktop sign electronically from their home from their workplace creates a good efficient

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workflow. More services are available online. We've recently implemented a new eviction intuitive filing system where folks can file without even having to come into the courthouse which also reduces a footprint. It's interesting

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the more of this we get online. We talked about space needed like nobody comes into our office anymore to look up files. They just go right online and look it up. So whereas courouses used to have view viewing rooms and you'd have maps pulled out and attorneys and real

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estate people sitting around, it just doesn't occur anymore. We're also working on our website to make it compliant to new ADA laws that have recently come out. always want to make it as easy to collect fines and fees as possible. Uh I

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was looking at our statistics the other day since since we've put our new financial um system in keeping track of what's owed. Last I checked there was $123 million of outstanding court fines and fees. I don't think we're going to collect that, but we want to make it as

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easy as possible through our compliance department to collect that. So, making that available uh to um to the public in person. Uh we also can put in place if we're talking to somebody, we can send

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you an email with a link to the invoice. I mentioned about our paperless court system. This is a real money saver as well. We now register in certain courts case types people's email. Traffic court

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is a classic one. You can register your email. At the end of your case, we will electronically mail you the minutes of what the verdict was and you'll get it delivered right to your phone or to your house. Attorneys love this as well. They get their uh documentation. I had one

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attorney tell me how wonderful Simol County was because by the time he left the courthouse and got back to his office, he had all the documentation emailed to him. He didn't have to call and wait or or try to hunt things down. We sent it to him. Uh so in the new courthouse design we've

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worked with the vend uh the architects to include a kiosk on the outside of the courtroom for people to register their emails and we've been we've done that also in the juvenile building and it's been working very well working with law

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enforcement for paperless transfer of information electronic case initiation uh at the jail they create the case which then flows those through the work processes. In the future, that could also use some enhancements to

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incorporate the documentation images. Jury management is one of my favorite things. We've got the system going so well, we reduced the show up time by 30 minutes. We were able to shrink it down to give people 30 minutes longer to

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sleep before they had to come to the courthouse. And I I heard uh talking about the guardian ad lightum here. Um one of the things we were doing was collecting uh information from jurors if they'd like to donate their jury funds to

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guardian adel item and safe house of seminal. That's allowed by state statute. And we were collect I think over the two or three years we collect about $20,000 in contributions for those two charities. Not huge, but it it adds up.

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We went to a to be efficient, and this is an example. Sometimes efficiency doesn't always work, but we went to an electronic payment card from a vendor that was to reduce our cost of postage. And what we found out is it was not a very user-friendly system and literally

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nobody was donating to the two charities. So, we switched back to checks for now. But one of the things we're going to do is we're working on this now with a local bank is to create a zel payment system with a web interface where the first question asked

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is do you want to donate your jury funds to the guardian adel item or safe house of seminal. So we really believe that we're going to generate a lot more donations from the public. We have um I mentioned the do-it-yourself evictions earlier, the

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public access to records. I kind of jumped ahead of myself there. We're one of the few that created our own electronic certified document system. We have two other counties that have used it as well and that creates a great service for people to and they're widely

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accepted now to get electronic certified. They actually are more certified than the traditional certified document you get at the courthouse. The way it has a walk on the PDF plus a seal on every page. That is something we'd be able to do and

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save money because we don't use a vendor for that. It also allows state attorney and other offices to come directly into a queue to grab their documents and not have to walk into the courthouse and stand by our counters and request it such as the old days.

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uh traffic hearings. I've been working on that a lot. That's put a big strain on courouses. We have uh our calendar was getting booked out several months in advance. We ran into some issues with judges with the speedy trial. So, a couple things we

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did is one is we created a no contest plea where people can file a no contest which goes directly to this to the traffic hearing officer and they'll make a determination without

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you having to visit courthouse. So, that was something we put in about a year and a half ago. It's helped reduce about a thousand people a year coming into the courthouse. And we're also switching to a two process, a two-step process like Valuchia in Orange County has where you

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would come in first for an arraignment to plead no contest and then move on to a trial. This also helps reduce the cost to law enforcement who generally don't like showing up sitting around all afternoon just to testify in a traffic case. This kind of helps streamline the

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system, make more efficient use of law enforcement, court clerks, hearing officers. That is a new efficiency as well. Uh let's see here. Online foreclosures. We switched to online taxdeed auctions

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and foreclosure sales online. Creates more transparency. It allows more people to bid on it and it reduces the workload on our team because it's all automated. Recent als we also recently in the last year been

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getting electronic documents since the tax collector updated his system. It talks directly to ours and sends that tax deed information directly to us. In the past we had to scan things, enter it manually. That's been a huge efficiency.

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uh online recording. We've worked in the past with your building department where notice to commencements can be filed from the building department. We also just recently created a direct e-recording system where you can go right to our website and record uh

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simple onepage documents. That's really been catching on. And um the easier you can make it on contractors to do business, I think the better it is for Simol County.

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Expanded on. We're one of the few counties that has a fully integrated online marriage license system which has been very popular. I always like to tell a story. There was a couple from England that bought a marriage license right here in Simol County and they were going

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to go get married at Disney. So they bought the marriage license online and then they flew into into Sanford or I guess Orlando Sanford. I think it was Sanford and uh they found out how much it cost to get married at Disney. So they came over to the courthouse to get married and then they drove down to

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Disney for a vacation. We also had a local official in another county I won't name, but he he called me up and says, "Hey, my daughter lives in Germany. She wants to get married, but she's coming on a Friday, leaving on a Monday. how she get a marriage license

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and uh I told him I said well she can buy it online have it available you know get married and just record it with us you don't have to go into the clerk's office he was totally thrilled and did not buy it from his county just bought it from simol so I was happy with that

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so anyhow always just I try to make this office work like Chick-fil-A you know what can we do to serve people and and make it easier so um most of our recordings things uh we do same day u same with court documents we have a very good team one of the fastest in processing things we're also looking at

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AI for autod docketing and auto redaction that will help efficiencies in the future as well and uh let's see I think I'm about at the end I jumped ahead here but um in essence uh always looking at how we can

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do things more efficiently that's how we've been able to deliver these services at half the prices other counties. Um, it's all about security, redundancy in our systems. Uh, we we take it very seriously. We get over

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three million pages of documents a year. Uh, we have on our we've been working closely with the county staff and I've gotten some documents from the chairman of the new electronic signature workflow for a te a test station. I think that's

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a really unique thing to do. and our new um system where we're working with the county staff. We had several training sessions where folks involved with purchasing uh stop by for training on this new paperless workflow. We've had it for a few years, but this is a a new

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improvement to it where documents can be sent back and forth from county teams to the comproller office for verification and payment. Everything is re revolutionary change. Just a few years ago, I remember being in the comproller office opening up the

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invoices from the uh power companies. You wouldn't believe how many invo like every traffic light has an invoice and then you timestamp it, put it in a stack and everything's paperless now. It automatically timestamps it. We can go

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uh this new system will be able to go into documents and pull out invoice numbers and autopop populate systems. So those are the type of things we're doing. I think it's why our budget has come in flat and we continue to do a

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good job. Um I could go on and on, but value adjustment board, we put in new software there as well where people can um electronically uh submit the documentation. We've been doing online VIB hearings. I know Commissioner Delari was highly involved

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with VAB and so was Commissioner Lockheart. That worked out really well this year. uh commission records. You can find those uh online. We have this new system. I appreciate working with the county on it. People can see how folks voted, what the backup was, go to the

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video connection of that. And again, we used to have folks come to us for commission records. They don't come now because well, it's rare, but they go online to get these top documentations. I covered some of these things earlier about the new workflows in the

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comproller office. We're always working for accuracy and efficiency uh on our data. This goes way over my head, but as you go through the system, you know, in the old days, the uh JD Edwards was on a server in the civil

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courthouse without generator backup uh in a room on the first floor with a window and a building that flooded. So today it's totally revolute. In fact, when we get a hurricane, we'd have to shut the thing down and cover everything up with plastic in case the roof leak,

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which it would occasionally leak over there. Uh everything's uh great now working with the county and we have a great IT team in the clerk's office. We have red redundancies. We have a backup server here. Of course, we have the ones down the courthouse. Uh we have nine

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redundancies in secret locations. uh we can restore systems uh with um it's it's backed up automatically throughout the day. We can literally go to the second to a previous uh screenshot of what what had happened just in the event that

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something goes haywire. I kind of covered it there. So anyhows that's a little some snapshot of what we're doing. You're always invited to come by take a look. It's a little messy right now with the remodeling going on, but uh come November, I I sure hope you all come and take a look at the whole

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new setup there. Smaller footprint and more services. That's my presentation. Happy to take any questions? >> Sharers, any questions for our clerk? >> Yeah. Um so when you mentioned uh

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donating the equipment uh to the newly created circuit I I two different things flashed through my mind. one was a tuba. And the reason why I'm gonna explain. Uh when I was on the school board, we had

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very very detailed uh records of every piece of equipment um that we had and every year we would do a report go through and everyone would have to audit uh everything that we owned and by the end of the year was it still on our property. And so one

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year after year for some reason somehow someone would lose a tuba and I don't know how you lose a tuba but they seemed to walk out of the school district and it's a large item >> ask for a new one >> and they would ask for a new tube every year but no but truly so I started and

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then same thing at the college and and it would have they it comes to us in a stack this thick of these are all of the items that you have disposed of. So whether it's a desk or a whatever minute item. So do you have a report that shows

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all of the things that you've uh disposed of your capital items? >> Uh we keep track of the inventory. When it comes to those items, that was the rolling filing cabinets >> and that was coordinated by the county's um architect and building team uh that

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coordinated that movement of the material. >> But you had to declare where they would go in that on those. I I think they were depreciated. The county just tore the rest of them out, threw them away. So, >> but they're yours. Like, you're

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responsible for the tracking of them. >> I think they got recycled. No, they were abandoned there for several years. You're talking about the filing cabinets. >> Yeah. Yeah. That was >> So, you weren't responsible for those items? the county took over the building

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and I'm not sure exactly what happened to those but it's a hard hat area. Things were everything was taken out. Actually, there were some things we said, "Please leave it there." And they got taken out. Like our IT uh room with uh those uh workstations

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were only 8 years old and the carpeting was new. And uh I >> clearly communicated to the county. There's no need to take care of that and rip it out. But it was taken out. >> Duly noted. >> What's that? >> I said duly noted. So you So you you

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have abdicated the responsibility of those items. >> I get it. I got it. No, >> I've asked for them to be safe now. >> When it comes to furniture, did you have your hand up? >> I didn't, but I do now. >> Just to weigh in on that. So, I just

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want to be clear, Grant. >> Just teasing with you. >> Was it you or the county that facilitated those going to the new district court? >> It would have been the county. >> Okay. >> We had no use for them. >> Right. All right. By the way, if you'd

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like some more, there's more at the civil courthouse. There's a whole slew of them. You're welcome to. >> I have it both ways. >> Uh I I advoc filing cabinets that have not been used in several years. >> And and maybe I wouldn't I I wasn't following. You made the comment that

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the attorneys are very pleased that by the time they get back to their office after being in the courtroom, they can receive documents and the documents will already be there. Tell me what those documents are. >> Well, it would it depend. Uh if they're attorney of record, it would be the the

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documents that relate to their case. >> So, >> so it could be anything that relates to their case. If you're an attorney of record, we have about 1,400 attorney of record accounts and we follow the court rules on uh confidentiality. So, if you're an attorney and you're not >> I know how the courtroom works, I'm good

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there. More pointed question is, is it a full transcript of the proceedings that they just left? It would be the uh for instance the minutes uh if there was a a order they would get copies of that. >> It's the things that happened in the

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courtroom that day. >> So rest would be available in their case file. >> Maybe exhibits those types of things. >> I don't know if exhibits are in there. I don't uh I would have to check on that. >> What about a verbatim transcript of the procedure? >> We don't do verbatim transcripts. >> Okay. That answers my question.

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>> Yeah. court that that would be up to the individual parties to hire uh a court reporter. >> Sure. I think the courts take care of that part of it. But anyway, I wanted to make sure what I was hearing >> so confused if they were getting a verbatim transcript, which is the job of

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>> so it would be whatever hap whatever action happened in the courtroom as far as an action. So the the most typical use is is a civil traffic citation. Okay. >> Uh you come in, you say, "Hey, you know what? uh I wasn't speeding and then they say you were and you get your ticket for

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$166 and you have so many days to pay. So instead of waiting around us printing on you know the triplicate NCR paper which is pretty expensive we send you if you registered right >> if you didn't then we'll give you paper but we'll send you the the court minutes directly to your email account that you

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registered with. So now you have a documentation of what happened, what the fine was or if it was a note, you know, not guilty, sure, whatever, dismissed, that sort of thing. You get it, you got it. >> Great. Dur during our meeting, uh, you had shared with me that some of your

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trust funds, the expectation are you intend to use those maybe in the next few years because you have some technology and software things that are going to be necessary. Is that is that correct? >> We use we use them all the time. We we're constantly tapping into them.

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They've been decreasing since I've been there from historical point, but yes, we have uses for them. And and I would point out, and we've had this discussion before, every clerk of court in the state of Florida has balances in their trust fund. Nobody spends them to zero.

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>> Okay. So, and I appreciate our during our meeting, Jenny, pointing out certain things that were online, your your financials from your office. So, I spent some time and and it'd be helpful to me if you could show me or or have Jenny whoever from your office

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reach out to my office and show me where in your finances it's posted online those funds and the balances of those funds because I can't find it. >> Uh they're in the uh annual comprehensive finance report in in the back pages there under the clerk of

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court uh reporting. >> Okay, great. Well, I sincerely appreciate your reduction in in uh the the budget this year of your 3.4% uh which is a a stark change since 2019.

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Just so we're clear, it was a 14.8% increase in 2019. 2020 was a 7.8% increase. 21 was a 20.8. 22 was a 12.6. 23 was a 10.1. 24 is a 10.4. 8.4 4 and

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25 and 6.1 and 26. So with that history, how do you believe we've arrived at 3.4? And I understand what you said earlier. >> So is this an accumulation of all the increases, funding, technologies, and efficiencies

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since 2019 to arrive at where we're at today? >> Well, I think much like the supervisor of elections that spoke earlier that there was a historical underfunding of the office And when you look at the expertise we had in the office, the level of

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technology, it was very low. So there has been an investment uh in those type of things which have put us where we're at today. And in spite of the price tag on it today, as I demonstrated in comparison, it's a very good value to

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the people of Simol County. So I think the the the other thing has happened which I've shared with you is the previous clerk funded a lot of county responsibilities out of non-cor revenue. That's not that's not money we get from you. That's money we collect by the

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business practices of recording which is $10 to record. Same price as 20 years ago. So, you know, we were Doge before anybody was Doged, the clerk's offices, and our noncourt revenue since 2006 has dropped

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from nearly 7 million to about 3.8 million. And you factor in inflation, it just becomes impossible for the clerk's office to carry the county's bills. So things like there were many things that were not charged to the county that she

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paid for through non-cort revenue, but if you add up our three funding sources, it's remained flat and for the most part and has even I think it's grown 10% in 19 years. If you factor inflation, it's about 40% cut. So I recognize this is

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higher than it was a few years ago, but it went down this year. I think you we have a great team going. I don't see a need to have 75 employees like like Lake County does. I think we'll continue to operate on the same footprint which is smaller than it was.

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>> So square footage wise >> and I appreciate it. So so I summarize and correct me if I'm wrong. What you're indicating is there was a lack of funding for technology for an extended period of time. And from 2019

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to almost today, there's been over a 50% increase in the budget, which has gotten you to the point where that technology is now funded, which has allowed you to come in at the negative 3.4. So, are we at a technology level now where you believe the efficiencies are and they've

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been funded now since 2019? So that moving forward, notwithstanding any changes that the legislature any mandates that this is something we should be seeing. >> Not sure if I understand your question. When it comes to technology, there's a lot of moving parts to it. Uh when you

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take a look at the financial software, which you asked about that and you work talked about the court technology, which are two entirely separate animals, which is different than recording technology, which is different than jury management. So there's different technology costs going on there. I can assure you we do

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everything to do it efficiently, reasonably. I think I showed you a lot of these improvements we've done, we've done virtually at no charge to >> and I'm not saying that that's the case. >> So I can't really predict what's going to happen tomorrow. >> Sure. >> But right now the JD Edwards software

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support is continued out for the future. Um we pay comparatively to other counties. You know, we have a good bargain going on right now, but if that were to change down the road, it could definitely change. >> Of course, I think that's what I just indicated. But let me just try to summarize it in a smaller, more direct

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point. You had indicated just a few moments ago that the lack of funding is what resulted in why these increases have occurred since 2019 till now. And now you are efficient. I mean, you've

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said well 20 times you're very efficient, much more efficient than these other counties and you're, you know, half the the manpower, uh, FTES and so forth, and you're coming in at a negative 3.4 this year. So, my question

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directly is since 2019 until now, have you and do you believe because now you're a negative 3.4 for in your budget that we have funded at this point the technology necessary for the efficiencies that you desire and need to perform on behalf of the citizens?

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>> Well, I I don't think I can answer that question because it's like I mentioned, it's complex. There's a lot of different technology things going on and the cost increases that you see there are often related to board decisions such as custodian fees have gone up substantial.

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you know, we we've uh put in place uh new softwares like the payment works for payment validation that was uh verification validation. I think that was about 87,000 a year which protects you know the transfer tax funds because we we run any type of payment through

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this vendor that checks several data points to make sure it's not a fraudulent transaction before we send it out. there are a lot having more CPAs and more accountants on board to do the job that you guys the county is much more complex as well

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bigger there's a lot more going on >> have we funded that through these other budget >> and that's I think what you're seeing in some of these increases it wasn't all technology it was other types of services and personnel >> if we funded it that's fine that's great that's what you

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asked for that's what you received since 2019 this year you're coming in a negative increase, which is great. I don't think anybody here on this board has a problem with that. My question is, since you said gone many

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years being underfunded, >> the numbers don't show that since 2019. So, I'm going to assume those increases were to get you caught up on not being properly funded and now we've got a drop. So, it's a real simple question.

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Notwithstanding >> something at the state level or some additional workload this board puts on your office, do you feel you're caught up on technology for efficiencies for the most part moving forward? >> On the comproller side, we're in a good

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place that could change if there's a change to the financial software picture down the road. Uh we've made a huge investment. Uh I mentioned payment works. We have auto audit, debt book. Um, OPE is in the budget this year which

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occurs every two years or there's some expenses in there that are really beyond our control unless you want to go back to a rudimentary level of service which I don't think the county does. I think we we get great response from everybody about the technology improvements we've done working with companies like Canon

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is a new vendor that we've done with the uh transmission of documentation u which I applaud. I think we're in a good spot now. I can't foresee the future, but I feel very comfortable with the budget we presented that we on the comproller commission records and uh

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auditing services. We can continue to do a good job and we'll continue to even improve. >> Great. Thank you very much. >> All right, commissioners. Does that conclude the questions for Mr. Mallaloy? >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Chairman.

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All right, that brings us to our final hearing and this is Lynx uh CEO Tiffany Hawkins. The floor is yours. >> That's what you're saying. >> Good afternoon, Madam Chair,

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commissioners. Hello. Thank you for having us. >> Good afternoon. >> All right. Um I I will not belabor the point. I recognize that I am the last person and stand between you and dinner. So >> Miss Hawkins, I'm sorry. I can't hardly

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hear you if >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> Okay. I stand between you and dinner and so I I I apologize. So, >> no, actually it's worse than that. On my break, I had to go take care of my dog and I forgot that I didn't program the robot vacuum properly. So, the robot

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robot vacuum is ripped apart all the way across the house and the dog is having a great time >> as he should with the Roomba. So, all right. Uh, we'll just go through a little bit of a recap of what we've been doing. uh go through the operating

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capital budget and our request to you all at Simino County. Just a quick recap before we get into that. Uh you all know that FY25 was the last year of uh historical fixed route service here in Simol County prior to

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the microtransit uh transition in January of this year. uh that transition. Uh we currently still have five local routes um and these are our start and end times and uh

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peak and off- peak service. In FY25, our annual wrership was 2 uh 8 million and that will be the last year of full ridership that we will report to the National Transit Database uh for the

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uh Federal Transit Administration and that equated to about 3,800 trips uh prior to January of uh 2026. Currently we are uh with the routes that are still providing service in Simino County about 1,600 boardings per day and

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that is according to our automated passenger counts um that are on the buses. Uh our wrership we are stagnant at this point. We had some weather challenges the writership and this is across the board

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uh for the full system um weather challenges early in the uh January February time frame. We are now in the summer seasonality uh school is out um etc. So we will we are digging into that.

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Beginning in January, uh we started the shelter removal process. And so I am happy to report that we will not be talking about a cost to exit um this year. Uh and and I want to reiterate that Simino County is still very much a

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part of the link system. And so there had been some some comments about the cost to exit and it it really wasn't about a cost to exit. It was about removal of the shelters. So, uh, we removed 120 shelters, 124 trash cans,

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uh, 81 bike racks, and or I'm sorry, 31 bike racks, and 84 benches. Uh, just a note that you will still see some benches throughout Simino County. Those are not links benches. Those are private advertising vendors,

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etc. So, um, those are not ours. And I do want to thank the county manager and your public works department for uh assisting us in uh removing 400 bus stop poles and signs um in helping us get

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that recycled. Uh currently we are rehabbing the shelters at the three Sunreil stations, Altoont, Sanford, and Lake Mary. Those had been previously scheduled for rehab um prior to the

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microtransit transition. uh we are we are honoring that obligation and that is being completed and I think they are about 75% completed uh with that once those shelters are rehabbed um those

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will be transferred to FDOT um the their asset management and then um as I understand there will be uh an agreement between Simino County and DOT for the maintenance of those shelters. ers.

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Moving on to some highlights on access links. Um, in FY25, the trip count was about 125,000 trips. And that those are your ADA and TD paratransit trips,

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Americans with Disability Act and um Transportation Disadvantaged. Of those 125,000 trips, 94,000 of those were inside the three/4er mile federally required

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uh mandate. Um and uh about 10 and those were ADA trips. Um about 10% of those were outside of the 3/4 mile and the remaining approximate 30,000 were um transportation disadvantage program

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trips. So in general uh we'll go to the budget overview um links is maintaining the FY26 level of service uh in our assumptions

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uh as well as the um uh no fair increases pending a ongoing fair equity analysis that is being looked at systemwide. um funding partner contributions based

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on the recently amended funding model uh formula policy uh fleet replacement and uh passenger amenity programs and facility improvements. Moving on to the operating budget overview.

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Um the overall operating budget is uh increasing by 4.53% over the FY uh approved um and amended budget. Uh if it weren't for some of the Orange County projects that we are doing

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in the iDrive area, that uh increase would be 3.46% overall. This does reflect a $2 million reduction in uh 10 positions uh that are currently frozen but not funded. So, we will keep

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the headcount but not fund the positions. Our FY27 operating budget revenue uh proposal is customer fairs increasing by about 914,000 and the majority of those customer fair

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increases are on the paratransit side. Um a significant change is uh interest in other income decreasing by 1.9 million on fixed route side and this is uh as a result of spending down the

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budget stabilization fund and the long- aaited anticipation that interest rates are going to drop. Uh we just have not seen that uh in our um uh experience yet. State revenue is decreasing by

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$600,000 and that is a direct result of the state uh reducing the state block grant. Uh local revenue is increasing by the 2 million that I previously mentioned with uh the Orange County uh iDrive project.

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And just uh you all know this uh from every year that we are here, the majority of the links budget is funded with local dollars. 92% of that local funding does come from property tax. It is not lost on us on the conversations

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that are ongoing um throughout this region and throughout the state. Um, so we are we're all attuned to what will be going on and looking at what routes would have to be cut if that is in fact

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the case that happens in November. So our operating expenses um are increasing about $197,000 for salaries and wages. That it looks like a u marginal cost. Uh it it is not.

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We are transitioning customer service um for the neighbor link uh um sorry c some of the customer service staff for uh to transdev we will not have them but medical cost as you all are probably

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experiencing an 8 to 10% increase other services you're seeing the almost $4 million uh increase and that is for theou with uh orange county fuel expenses we are proposing to decrease increase. Uh we expect the fuel to

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stabilize but we have been replacing our diesel fleet with CNG. CNG has not experienced the fluctuation in the market like uh diesel and unled it has. So um as we are getting in the rest of

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our CG fleet um we expect the fuel u expense to go down. uh purchase transportation is increasing 6.5 uh 3 million of that is paratransit cost and that is the cost of the contractual

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increase of of 3 and a.5% uh as well as the trip count increase. Um and the rest is related to uh customer service transition to transdev pair transit and again our expenses the majority is

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salary and wages and that is drivers in seat mechanics on the ground. Um our administrative cost is posted on uh the links website as a result of h uh house bill 1301 a few years ago. Uh the link's

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admin cost is about 24 million and uh we are below the statewide average on that. Quickly going through our capital budget overview. Um uh our proposed capital budget for FY27

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is uh almost 195 million. These are not all new grant dollars. There is a significant amount of roll over and I will show you where that the majority of

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that is. That is in our um vehicles and I feel like I have skipped something but um we currently have 120 uh vehicles in our program. 95 of those are carryover and

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that is because bus 95 of the CNG vehicles that is because the from the time we order it to the time it's delivered is taking 18 to 24 months we have two bus manu transit bus manufacturers in the United States that

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are serving all the transit agencies. Um the other vehicles that are in here are 144 pair transit vehicles. 131 of those are carryover from previous years because those vehicles are taking about 12 months uh and the others are

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van pull vehicles which are taking approximately 6 months. Other carryover uh is for facilities is our HVAC uh project. We are replacing all of the HVAC's uh at our operations center at John Young and Princeton as well as link

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central station. those uh link central station is uh coming up on 22 years old uh 20 years at uh LOC. We are also doing a window replacement um with uh at LCS.

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When LCS was built, it was value engineered that uh single pane windows would be sufficient for the Florida sun. Um and that has not worked out so well. So, uh, and then some other improvements at LC

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and LCS, uh, passenger amenities program. Um, the majority of that is the Orange County accelerated transportation safety plan, uh, shelter program. And then we have some technology, uh, passenger information,

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um, projects. Limo is a state of good repair dollars. Those are federal funds that are assigned to limo based on uh formula. Uh then we have some support uh and those are uh maintenance equipment replacements and then security. One

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point 1% of our federal funds that we get needs to be allocated to security improvement safety and we do put a high priority on the safety of our passengers and employees. So you will see that the majority of um

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the capital budget is uh vehicles and that those new vehicles do help with the maintenance costs and then the facilities uh and passenger amenities round out the rest of what constitutes that capital budget. So, moving on to

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the partner funding, Orange County uh is at and has always been the lion share. I did pass that. Um 77%, Oyola County is uh 14% and Simol is uh almost 8 and a half%

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um of the uh operating share. So the uh partner funding for FY27 is under the new funding model where we have allocated a portion of the uh administrative overhead to paratransit based on service hours. Um and the

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operating contribution increase for FY27 is 14.35%. For Simino County this is 1.68% over FY26. uh capital contribution is the $3 per service hour. And so Semino County's uh

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contribution that we are requesting is $125,000. And that is based on the service hours that you all have on the fixed route uh here in Simino County. And so our uh total ask of Simino County is $11.7

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million. Um, and uh, again, the total contribution increase of uh, 1.03%. So, I know I went through that uh, pretty fast, so happy to answer any questions.

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>> Commissioners, any questions? Commissioner Zenower, >> Miss Hawkins, thank you very much for being here today. And, um, I I'll digress. I started this conversation with your predecessor

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seven plus years ago and trying to follow the numbers and the accounting and funding models. And so if if you'll just follow me a little bit, I want to talk a little bit about access links and

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some of the concerns that I have. Um, and for the record, for the public purpose, the access link basically is two programs. You you alluded to those just a moment ago, which is the ADA payer transit based on the federal ADA guidelines for individuals who whose

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disability prevents them from riding a fixed route bus. Second, transportation disadvantage TDs, a program for individuals who have no other means of transportation and meet specific income guidelines. As of September of 2025, Simino County

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had approximately 2566 links, access links customers. Here's where it gets a little lost on me when I look through all these numbers and and I appreciate staff gathering some of these numbers from your folks um

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for my benefit and for our board's benefit. But since Scout, our total trips fell from 31,479 in quarter 1 to 28,19 in quarter 2, a 10.7% decrease.

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Transportation disadvantaged TD trips had a 5.5% decrease. ADA paratransit trips had a 12 or 12.2% decline. Before scout, the Florida Commission for the Transportation Disadvantage reports

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that Simino County had a decrease decrease of 6% in ADA trips from 2023 to 2025. 2% decrease from 23 24 and a 4% decrease from 24 and 25.

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The cost, however, the total long-term operating cost, total operating cost increased 2.58 million in fiscal year 2019 to 6.71 million in fiscal year 2026. That's an increase of over 160% in

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7 years. The cost for ADA service grew from 2.3 million in fiscal year 2019 to 5.13 million in fiscal year 26, an increase of 123%.

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Transportation disadvantage portion only operating costs TD costs rose from 279K in fiscal year 2019 to 1.57 million fiscal year 2026 an increase of 460%.

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projected for 27 total costs expected to rise from 6.71 million in 26 to 8.72 million in 27 another 30% increase in a single year. Can you explain how we are rapidly going

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in this direction? >> So commissioner huge increase in numbers um and I understand there's been an increase in in costs to do business. I understand there's increase in in materials, an increase in uh wages,

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benefits, all that. Uh and I think last year you heard me say, at least in my opinion, the Lynx model is a broken model. Um that's my opinion uh from a business perspective, but can you explain why are we rapidly going in that

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direction when Semino County's ridership is actually going down on the paratransit side? Commissioner, I will do my best to answer. I don't have those numbers specifically in front of me. Uh, and that was a lot of numbers. Um,

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>> and I'm happy if your staff wants to get back with us and that's in fairness, >> that's probably best. I don't want to put you on the spot. That is a lot of numbers that we just went through. Um, but in addition to that, I have a report from the Florida Commission on the

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Transportation Disadvantage, which which I don't quite follow because it's my understanding from them. This information is supplied by links to them for a report to be generated. The complimentary ADA wrership in 23

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from Semino County was 80,750. In 24 it was 93,775 increase of 13,000. From 24 to 25 it went down to 63,580. On the paratransit side 23 was 46,356

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and 24 went down to 30,348 and 25 it went back up to 55855. And why those numbers are important to me as I look through this, there's a lot of numbers on these reports, but my forensic training when I go through documents and see this kind of

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information tells me something's wrong. It may be the numbers being reported. It may be an error in the report that was put together. But it brings me to a theme that that I've continued to struggle with with your predecessor.

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And ultimately I just surrendered because I wasn't getting the information which is who from Semino County is riding in their customers on the paratransit side and can they actually be identified? >> That I can answer. Yes, they can be

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identified. They are registered. Uh we know exactly when they are picked up, when they are dropped off, what days they use. We do have that information. Okay. So it would be interesting to know how our costs continue to increase when

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wrership has dropped and why the state reports indicate such a fluctuation in the reporting or the numbers that Semino County customers are utilizing. So if that's something and I'm happy off offline to work with your staff, give

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you the details. It's a lot of stuff that was covered, but our cost even with revenue replacement is going through the roof. And I can tell you somebody from transportation, which is my origin, I can run a pair of

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transit a lot cheaper than what we're paying for the amount of customers we're handling. >> So, it's going to be helpful as a decision maker >> for us to really understand. And but I do one of the numbers that you did talk about is the increase in this year for

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the paratransit contribution and that is because of the how we are allocating the general overhead um going from the I apologize the 6.19

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to the 8.7 had we not moved to the new funding uh model formula that increased would be 6.9 and so um the it is because of the hours that are

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spent in Simino County on paratransit vehicles that is why the general overhead is allocated to that. So that is that cost increase. >> So with that said I would assume you can supply me with an hour spent in seol for the last two three four years. We we

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download it from our trapeze system by hour. >> And is that tracked for productivity? >> Yes. >> Meaning >> number of pass >> drivers not parked at some county park waiting for a call to go somewhere. >> Correct. >> Okay. So it's actual work time either

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driving, picking up, dropping off. >> Revenue service. Yes. >> Okay. So that should be easy to track. Obviously, if somebody's going, let's say, down to the medical center in Orlando to the hospital down to Lousern, if it was the middle of the day, if they

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were leaving Orlando to come to Semol and going back down there, that's less than an hour, probably closer to 40 minutes. >> We'll be happy to update the heat maps for you all to show where the origin and destinations are for the Semino County residents. >> No, understood. I think what I'm asking

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for something is a little different. Specifics for rides. Correct. >> Which is different than a heat map. >> Heat map can give us a general idea. >> More specific. That's something that could be supplied.

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>> Yes, we can. Um, but recognize with some of these clients there are HIPPA because of the medical >> I don't want to know why they're gone. I don't want to know their names. >> Okay. >> And I would hope because of HIPPA. There's no names associated with the

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time that an operator in a vehicle is coming and going into Semino County. >> Correct. So, yes, we can we can give you all that. >> So, I would ask that our staff, Darren, if you could I know I ask for a lot of stuff. Um, if you could work with Blinks

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to try to gather that information. If you have any questions, get with my office. Uh, Commissioner Lockhart who sits on that um board at Lynx. if you could coordinate anything that she may be helpful during those board meetings and gathering anything, I'd appreciate it.

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>> Thank you. >> So, I'm going to take this in a little bit of a simpler direction and this was slide number 147 and this is the I think the crux of all the questions that Commissioner Zimbau just asked, but I'm just going to ask a question. What made you change the

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funding model? It's been the same funding model for years. It it was and it was as a result of the reduction in the fixed route cost. All of the administrative overhead was allocated on fixed route.

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Simino Countyy's reduction in the their service hours the equity if you will um had been discussed during the budget presentations and budget uh adoption

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last year at the links board and it was uh asked for us to bring back some recommendations. We brought back several and uh that was the change to cover the when you cut service and you do cut bus

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operators, you can cut mechanics and some supervisors, but we still have payroll. We still have accounts payable functions, grants um that handle paratransit

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>> that we follow up that >> just Okay, I got it. I got it. What equity was in question? >> The uh it was about the administrative overhead for links and

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who was paying in this regional system >> meaning that seinal needed to pay more in some form or fashion. >> Yes. >> Yes. I'll take that nod of the head in the affirmative as a yes.

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>> Yes. >> It is very obvious to us that we have been questioning these numbers for years with difficulty in obtaining ridership. >> Separate from paratransit, you can report all of that. >> Correct.

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>> The data that we get now versus the data that we had before is two wildly different worlds. Um, and quite frankly, this doesn't feel like a partnership anymore. It used to because we sat quietly and never questioned anything. And when we did

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question things, we actually just were told not you. We're not not too small like you're just a little piece. Not by you, but this is how it works. And so, um, I will tell you I am one of the biggest

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supporters of links on this board. I was a supporter of yours. I am not in that position anymore. I if I could get out entirely, I would because I think that this was was punitive and I share that with my partners on that board so that it's coming from my

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mouth to their ears. Um, I am just really disappointed at the lack of regionalism with this and I appreciate that there is a perception that we were not regional in our thought process to pull out but we were forced into that position with unsustainable budget

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increases and service right service that wasn't increasing increasing in a lot of the other areas but not in ours and so um with that I'll look to my right because you had your hand up first.

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>> Well, I you know I regional regionalism is is ideal when when it works. Um and you know equity and equality are two different words. >> They have two very different meanings

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meanings. And um I I believe um what and please you know Tiffany do not hesitate to correct me. Um whe when last year during our conversations at

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the lynx board meeting seinals removing reducing routes significantly in order to reduce costs and frankly to eliminate underperforming routes that had been underperforming for many many years but no one was willing to pull the trigger to eliminate them when they should have

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been eliminated prior to our action. Um, Mayor Demings made a very clear statement uh that he wanted to look at how this regional approach and what the

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the the documents pertaining to our participation in links would look like. I think it was I don't remember. I hate to misquote him so I'm not trying to quote him identically. Um, but essentially it was we need to look at whether or not Semino County needs to be

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a part of Lynx if you're not basically if you're not going to be a part of it. And that was that's that's my sense a year later of how that was delivered. Um, my response was very much like like yours was you're you're right. I think

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we should look at whether or not Seol County is is still a part of Lynx or what that looks like because um we're just we are not not better not worse but different in terms of needs of public transportation in this county than our

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other partners and maybe it does make more sense for us to do our own thing. Um, I do believe putting all the cards on the table that we need to prioritize this next legislative session and upcoming sessions to talk about

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legislative uh language changes that moves us from re being required to participate in the Central Florida Regional Transportation Authority to May. Um, the shall to a would give us much greater flexibility. I think that's something that we really need to talk

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about seriously. Um because just like on other regional boards that we participate on, we we are the minority vote. Um and and we are regularly

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outvoted for against our interests, right? And I know you know Mr. J has done a wonderful job representing our board on the finance committee. He speaks his mind. He shares his perspective from Semino Countyy's perspective and it's not taken into consideration because it just doesn't

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matter. We are we we will be consistently outvoted. So even if we want to contain costs and and make recommendations for how to do that, it we really have no no power to do it. So

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um and I know serving five masters is very hard. Four, how many of us are there? >> Orange seinal >> four oyola. >> Yeah. >> And then do >> right I it's it's very difficult because

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you're trying to make very different people happy, different organizations happy and be all things to all people in that approach. And it's hard. It is not easy to do. And I I don't envy um I don't envy the organization's position that they're in, but it is obvious to us

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when um the the big personalities or the big players in the room say, "I want to look at how to redo this formula and it's suddenly done and it's done in a way that makes Seminal County have to pay more." I mean, we're we weren't, you

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know, we weren't born yesterday. So um it we need to continue to have these conversations. I think we have always been very candid with links in the organization about what we intend to do and how we plan to move forward. So

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again I think we need to continue that transparency and keep all the cards on the table uh and and be very clear about our intentions. >> Follow up on that commissioner next. >> Thank you Madam Chair. Uh I would agree with everything that's been said here.

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Uh, I'd also like like take like to look at the funding for formula to make sure it makes sense to us even though it's being dictated by links because we could go when we talk about this up in Tallahassee about if it's not in our best interest that would be another piece of it. But we've also asked our

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staff to look at paratransit and how we can reduce cost as we go through this budget process. I'm hoping that we have that conversation at some point because we have to keep on continuing to reduce our cost as well provide services and I think that's what we're trying to do here. Uh we've been working on this for

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a number of years commissioners. I'm not going to go back how many years but it's been a number of years that I've been talking about for seven years. I understand that and uh you know a dollar can always be spent one time as commissioner Henley always talked about and

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the dollars are getting very limited and I think that uh between the funding formula and how we can reinvent paratransit and talk to the state I think that's what needs to happen >> I just want to follow up on a couple things that were said and Miss Hawkins I

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envy your position um this is not about you Please understand that this is about our job as decision makers who are tasked with protecting the taxpayers's dollars in Semino County. And I think what I heard in exchange between Commissioner Lockhart and

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yourself is when Simol County reduced our fixed route that a decision was made because of the overhead of mechanics, other individuals, and so forth that that

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funding model no longer worked. And so we lumped that and changed the funding model to keep those overheads and spread it further out which defeats the whole reason why we reduced the fixed routes to start with in Semino County. So

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whether it was purposefully thought out uh and premeditated to drop that on seinal because our intent was to save our taxpayers dollars for routes that arguably nobody was

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riding onesie, twzies, threes here and there. And so I would just ask that links and our partners put themselves in our shoes of what this looks like and help us find the answers um to the questions I had

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and I think those are the same questions that everybody else had in a little different articulated way because at the end of the day it's really about us making sure we're protecting our taxpayers dollars. We understand this is not a money maker. We understand this is something that is necessary in our

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community. What this board has to ultimately decide is is the current model what Semino Countyy's taxpayers should be funding or should we be funding something different and I think you saw us take the first step. So that

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first step was to save taxpayers dollars, but conveniently the funding model has switched, which means now it's eventually going to cost us more to do what we've done to save the taxpayers dollars. So again, if you would work with Darren and his team to get us that

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information, um I would be very thankful uh to be able to understand that. So thank you. >> Absolutely. I just want to continue with another I had a epiphany while we were talking here.

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If I look at this slide and I look at total operating expense and I look at seinals, we went from 11.4 million to 11.6 with a huge reduction in service. >> Fair statement.

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>> Yes, you had a huge reduction in fixed route service >> and it went up. Yes, >> it's nothing short of miraculous. And Oyola County went from 16.3 million to 19.5 million. So presumably had the

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model not changed, Oyola and Orange that went from 92 to 105, they would have gone up higher. >> Now had the funding model not changed, uh Ocyola would have been reduced. Uh, Simol and Ocola were in the same um, but

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yes, >> so they got hurt as well. >> Oyola did uh, >> but their service stayed. So they're paying more, but they didn't decrease service. We're paying more and we decrease service. >> Yes. >> And so Orange benefited.

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>> That is a way to look at it. >> Yeah, >> that's the only way we're going to look at it. >> That's the way I've been looking at it. >> Didn't go to law school. don't want to be a lawyer. Uh but case closed. All right, commissioners. Any other questions? Hearing none. We appreciate you being here.

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>> Yes. Thank you. >> We will follow up with that information. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right, we have come to the public comment portion of the program. We have a public comment. Oh, I see a yellow form. If you have a public comment and you know better, don't hold

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on to your form. You better get it up there. >> All right. How many speakers do we have? >> Chairman, we have three speakers. >> All right. Call the first three up. How about that? >> So, we know the order. >> Leslie Grubble,

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>> Justin Harvey, Win Adams. >> All right. Before you take that microphone, I want to say how much we appreciate you being here all day long. >> Yes. >> We feel your support from the audience.

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>> Thank you. And I also watch you on TV. >> We got to find you some other hobbies. And I hope you >> keep track of that. Who watches? >> We got >> how many the numbers are because I hope it's bigger than the number that appears in these rooms. >> Yes. >> Um

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>> probably be less. Hi, I'm Lesie Griffithville and I live in Longwood. Um, as an individual citizen, I stand against the proposed amendment to raise our homestead exemption rate.

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As I drove here today, and I'm going to kind of get into the personal things, not the most complex that you talk about today. I thought about who keeps my Am I losing my

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>> No, we got you. You got it. Okay. >> As I drove here today, I thought about who keeps my street lights burning, fixes my sidewalks, fills in the sink holes, works on water drainage issues, and provides patrols

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for my neighborhood. I have listened to most of the board meetings in the last two years. I have heard the board protect our streets from overcrowding by refusing to permit a school on EE Williamson

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and I saw a refusing of a dense housing subdivision on Sand Lake Road. You don't rubber stamp. I appreciate that. The board has worked to lower public transportation costs by imp implementing

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Scout and I hope that works out. It's kind of disgusting to hear what I heard today. Always forward thinking, the county is protecting our aquifer and available portable water with a water management plan. There is also a well-considered need,

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not want five-year plan to build a refurbish our fire departments. There is a plan to change closed golf courses into local parks like Rolling Hills. To save money, I have seen proposals being made for numerous grants to fill

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the coffers in our state. When outside agencies work with our county staff, they have made nothing but compliments on that organization of our county staff. Even while they have presently cut staff by 9%.

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I want to maintain our local tax and budgeting control. We have public comment times if we have a concern on about spending or any other decisionmaking. We can also vote in or out our local officials. The homestead funding cut is by the

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state overreaching into our local control. My understanding is this action can cause 20 to 30% decrease in advor funding. Our millage rate increase last year was over the was the first one

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in 15 years. If the state wants to cut our costs, they should address homeowners insurance rates and housing costs. They could help our county budget by paying for their state mandates. And we still are waiting, and this is not from local or from state, but we are

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waiting for FEMA payouts from the federal government. I am outraged that the state wants to interfere the funding for our local government budget. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Next speaker. >> The next speaker is Justin Harvey

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followed by Wayne Adams. >> Mr. Harvey. Name and address for the record. >> Hello. My name is Justin Harvey. I'm at 1025 Hamlet Drive. Uh first off, I just want to thank this commission for voting to end water flidation last year. you were one of the 26 Florida communities

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to listen to your residents and take initiative before the statewide ban. So, thank you so much for that. Uh, today I want to touch on the topic of AI data centers. Um, I'm sure you've seen this has quickly become a hot button issue across the country and the state as local residents are pushing back. Um,

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and this is against these hypers scale data centers and I want to specify on that. I'm not talking about the small and midsize buildings that are more like a office building. These hypers scale data centers are more like an industrial power plant. the size of UCF campus. Uh it's enough power and water to to

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energize a small city. Uh the first hyperscaled data center in Florida was quietly approved in Fort Me and residents were furious and to avoid getting blindsided in Lakeland, 50 residents came to their next meeting and are saying no to their proposed data center. And and it's not just brewing in

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PK County. There have been discussions happening all over the state. I think Hernando and Citrus have already passed moratoriums, a one-year ban on data centers so they can further evaluate the environmental and health impacts to their residents. Uh Escambia and Lake County have also announced they're in

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the process of doing the same. And that's why today I'd like to request that Semino County look into drafting and passing a one-year moratorum on hyperscale AI data centers in our county to make sure that they don't sneak one in on us. The last thing I want to see is our untouched Ovido, Geneva,

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Chiliota. Um, what we have left of them get smacked with a AI data center in it. You know, they have no benefit. It's going to strain our water and our energy. Uh, and if you haven't heard, these minisized facilities are so massive, they produce a 24/7 hum that

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you really can't escape. So, uh, just imagine what that's going to do to the residents and wildlife living nearby. Uh so let's protect our residents and get out in front of this issue just like you all do with many things and uh go ahead and put a ban on these things. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> I've got a comment on that if you don't

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mind. >> The good news is there's no property in this county to be able to do such a thing. >> In Geneva, >> even out in Geneva, it's protected. >> Awesome. We're glad to hear that. >> That's my district, so >> long as I'm breathing, it's not going to happen.

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>> You don't live in Tallahassee, sir. Yeah, but I might be >> um could I just for um could we have staff look at that and just see what that would entail? Is it even a possibility uh to do a moratorum

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legally? We I don't believe we've ever done a moratorium in this county for anything. Um, not that I don't want to learn about what that would look like, but I don't have the information. If that's something >> I mean, just off the cuff, without doing any research, we're really constrained in what we can do because of Senate Bill

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180. >> Okay. >> But we'll look into it. >> Okay. If that's the answer, if you just give us that answer, that'd be awesome. >> Well, and it would be good to understand how others are doing it or are they doing it despite >> Yeah. And maybe they're not in the path

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of the storm. you know, part of the moratorum or part of the restriction had to do with how close you were to the eye of the storms over the last few years. So, they might >> have a different analysis, but we'll definitely look at that. >> Thank you. and and even though the state's priorities are in other

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directions, >> um what the state is or is not doing because they were they were trying to or some people were trying to address this year uh uh this issue this year and they did not. Uh I can also say that the

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National Association of Counties and others are doing a lot of research on this because of the as you said sir and rightfully so that this has become a strain on the resources of counties so

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much so that Virginia is in a really big situation troubling situation right now because they all want to be centered around the Washington Baltimore area >> and not to mention the load on the power grid. >> Thank you for being here, sir.

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>> Thank you. >> All right, next speaker. >> Yes. Uh just a comment on that. Um there is >> ticking though. His time is taking Okay. Win Adams. Um 646 Fellowship Drive, Firm

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Park, Florida. with regards to uh what you were talking about these uh centers um that'll probably turn in be turned into a federal issue. That's unfortunately what's I think will happen. Um

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>> I have a lot of belief that >> they pay so much power. Anyways, the reason why I'm here is it's about my favorite subject uh the uh indoor sports complex. I sent a letter to the clerk uh and I'll just quickly read it to you and

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I'll provide this for you. Uh it says, "I have heard the SEL County Commissioners are planning on building an indoor sports complex near Sanford Airport. The estimated cost is around $1275 million. How does the county commission

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plan to pay for the indoor sports complex? Will they borrow the money tax to Siml County property owners raise the county sales tax? Please provide me with information about this issue regards Win

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Winfield Adams and uh I'm just asking that question as to when uh hopefully I can have a written response. >> You sent it to the clerk. >> I sent it and they forwarded to the county. >> They should have sent it to us. >> I never saw you want to know. I I can

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follow up with Mr. Adams >> because you went through that completely with Tim with you sitting there, Mr. Adams, as to how we >> No, I what I'm asking for uh Commissioner is I would like a written response to my email.

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>> We'll get you a written response. >> I really appreciate that. >> Mr. Adams, in the future, if you want an answer from us, please send it to us directly. >> Okay? >> I mean, we're here to help. >> I totally understand. The reason why I did it though is the clerk of the court

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is also the controller and I thought under those circumstances they would have that type of information knowing that they would not make the decision but they would have access to that information. >> Did you get an answer from them? >> No. What I got was that they would

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forward it to let me read what they said. The clerk of the office is in receipt of the public records request below. Please note that the ordinarily the county office of management and budget OM determines the funding sources

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to be used for expenditures. As such, your request has been forwarded to the county OM for review and response >> to the county OM is us. >> So send us send it to us in the future. We'll be glad to help you. >> I will appreciate that information.

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>> Thank you. Have a great day. Yes. Um, since this isn't for you, Mr. Adams, >> pardon? >> My question is not for you. >> Oh, okay. >> Thank you. Um, since it's out there and we have a dangling participle now, if we could, um, Mr. J, for the benefit of the

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public, could you quickly summarize where the funds are coming from for the indoor complex? >> I will mention that the email came to me. It was not a public records request. There was no public record. It was a question. So, we sent it to the county manager and we're uh responding now. But, uh the county has the new tourism

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improvement district. That's a new revenue that uh we've discussed internally about potentially bonding that um pledging that revenue. Um the county has sales tax funding that we've discussed putting towards the project. Um and w the county is not intending to

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put any general fund dollars. So, it's it's tourism funding and sales tax funding that we've discussed using for the project. >> Great. Thank you very much, >> Madam Chair. Commissioner Delori. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Uh Darren Gray, I know you're the county manager, obviously, but we've had quite a bit of conversation on this topic. Can you make

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sure that all departments that have all the meetings that we've had regarding this are in that memo so that they know that we've been having this conversation, >> not just twi once or twice, but ignorium. >> Yes. >> And they can actually give the time and

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the minutes of where those conversations took place. they can actually see the full conversation. Madam, >> absolutely. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. >> Yep. >> Good point. >> Yeah, that was a good suggestion. Any other comments for the good of the order before we all see each other again tomorrow morning? >> Tomorrow morning at 9:30.

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>> And by the way, if you couldn't respond to that, given all the work that you've done to get us here today and tomorrow with all of the material you've put together, that is just how it is. So, >> uh, good prioritizing. >> That's all we have, uh, for today. Yep. Meeting adjourned.

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>> Thank you.