Good afternoon and welcome back to the board of county commission meeting here in Semino County. The time is approximately 1:30. This is the uh public hearing portion of our meeting [snorts] and uh I will look for
proof of publication. Please move >> second. Motion second. All those in favor I opposed like sign. Hearing none carries unanimous. >> Please disclose any exporte communication from each commissioner. We'll start to my right with commissioner and work our way across.
>> None to disclose. >> None to disclose here. >> None to disclose. >> None. >> None. >> All right. Our first item up is item 29, LDC amendment, certified recovery residences. This will be presented by
Dick German. Not Dick. >> No, >> you know a Dick German. >> I'm sorry, David. >> This is David. >> David German. I'm sorry >> because I just went No, this is not Dick German. >> I was flipping through my page. >> So, they do pay they do pay attention.
>> Sorry, Mr. Chairman. I just >> No. Thank you. >> Okay. >> All right. Good afternoon. Um David German, senior planner development services presenting with NASA worker, deputy county attorney. This afternoon, staff
is presenting a proposed amendment to the seminal county land development code. It will amend chapter 2 definitions to add a definition for certified recovery residences and chapter 30 zoning regulations and to
establish a process for reasonable accommodation requests for certified recovery residences. I will now pass the presentation over to NASA to discuss the implementation and processes. Good afternoon, commissioners. Naya
Borer, deputy county attorney for the record. Um, today we are going to uh talk about certified recovery residences. Recently, uh, as in last year, the legislature through Senate Bill 954
required all counties and all cities by January 1, 2026 to amend their code to allow for or to establish a process for reasonable accommodations for certified recovery residences.
So, a reasonable accommodation is not a variance. It's not a planning um activity. And I'll get into the criteria of it of that, but reasonable accommodation requests are set by um federal law. The criteria for reviewing them is set by federal law. This
criteria has been in place for a very long time now. Um so it's something that the legislature is now requesting that everybody actually put into their codes even though you were required to comply with it previous to this time. What this will require for Semino County
is changes to the land development code. We need to add a definition for certified recovery residences that will mirror the state's definition in the statute. It will require an amendment to chapter 30. We're putting it in the land development code even though it's not a
planning function. It just seemed like the best place for it to go there as an option for when people are looking for this in our code. And so it'll add a new subsection that establishes the process. All right. A certified this only applies
to certified recovery residences, which are those residences that hold a valid certificate of compliance and they're actively managed by a certified recovery residence administrator. The C certificate of compliance is issued by uh third parties that the
state that the state has contracted with to review these residences. Um so that is a state function. We have nothing to do is to as to whether something's certified as as to whether a recovery residence is certified or not. Um CCRs
have sorry CRRS have different levels that indicate the type of services that are being provided to residents. They can be [clears throat] just residents that kind of do their own thing. They work in a collaborative environment.
They're all typically in recovery um and to a level of where they're getting more one-on-one care and um oversight for their recovery plan. Everyone that's in a certified recovery
residence is considered disabled under the FHA and ADA because they're recovering from they have a form of addiction whether that be to drug or al alcohol addiction that is considered a disability under the FHA and the ADA.
Okay. So who's the applicant? The applicant can be persons who are disable disabled so have a disability addiction [clears throat] or provider a provider of services to those disabled persons. um they are people that are recovering
from substance abuse disorders like I said and to receive the accommodation they're required to show that the proposed accommodation is reasonable and necessary to afford an equal opportunity to use and enjoy the residence. So the
goal here is to integrate people who are recovering from substance abuse disorder into you know neighborhoods into areas that are generally you know residential areas.
So the application comes in to the planning and development division. It must include a description of the com the accommodation that's being requested and demonstrate demonstrate why the request is necessary. It must include a
verification of disability status and this form is executed by a medical or social services professional and any supplementary documentation to support the request. The development services director is authorized to review these applications
when they come in and they have to do so within 30 days. That's a statutory deadline. And in their consideration, they'll consider whether the applicant has established that they're handicapped or disabled. Whether the accommod accommodation, as I said before, is
reasonable and necessary to provide an equal opportunity to enjoy the residence. whether the request imposes an undue financial or administrative burden on the county and whether the request requires a fundamental alteration in the nature of the county's
regulations. And those two last ones are ones that development services director has to decide from the county standpoint. What will allowing this accommodation do on a greater level? After the review is complete, the development services director will issue
an approval. an approval with conditions or will deny the request. Um, I'll just add that, you know, in in this period of time, I would love to give you an example of when this would come up. I'm not sure that it that it will come up in
the future for the county, but we're required to put this on our books. I'll also tell you that um the every the certified recovery residences must still comply with our building and occupancy co codes. So it's not like you can put
more people than are permitted in a building in one of these resident names still comply with our building code. Um and by doing this will we in adopting this ordinance now we will be in compliance with that January 1 deadline. So, the request here is for the board to
make a motion to adopt the ordinance amending the land development code to establish a reasonable accommodation process for certified recovery residences. And I'll stand for any questions you may have. >> Any questions at this time for staff? Commissioner her.
>> I truly thought I understood this based on the briefing, but now I'm questioning myself. So, it's a recovery CR is defined as a recovery residence that holds a valid certificate of compliance and is actively managed by a certified
recovery resident administrator. So, in that instance, the applicant is for the dwelling or each person that goes there is applying separately and proving disability to be there.
>> Right? So it can be either so the reasonable accommodation process can apply to individuals. So in this case it could be either way I would say but typically what you're going to see is a u the director the person that's
registered registered by the state will be the person providing care to the disabled individuals and they will have to be the ones to submit the application and also submit verification that they're certified and of the people that are going to be there. And this
approval, which is something that I forgot to mention, runs with the person, not the land, as opposed to a variance. [clears throat] It's not like if there's a certified recovery residence in this residential home, it will always be that way. It it only is that way if the
persons in it are disabled [clears throat] and it's certified by state law and they have the requisite person that's managing it. And so if the home becomes certified, they lose homestead exemption.
>> I would assume that they that they would. Yes. >> Because it's running as a business, >> right? It's running as a business. Exactly. >> They're getting f I have experienced this in a neighborhood that was very near and dear to my heart. And so >> yes, I believe that it would. It's not
um these are not meant to be permanent residents. We cannot, we are prohibited, the county is prohibited from limiting the time frames for how long people can stay, but it's not meant to be for permanent living. It's more transitional,
>> but the residents move in and out. The facility stays permanently, for lack of a better word, a halfway house. That's what this is. It's a recovery residence is what we all in this generation up on this board would know as a halfway house or
>> sober living home, right? sober living home. I I will say that yeah, you're right. It remains that way for as long as the um the p it's a certified recovery residence. It's covered by that
certified individual >> and subject to all of the rest of our standard codes. >> Absolutely. Yeah. >> Else All right. Is there anyone here from the public that is desires to speak on this
matter? >> No, sir. >> Seeing none, we will close public input and go to board action. >> Mr. Chairman, >> Mr. Delari, >> like to make a motion to approve the request by staff as presented. >> Second. >> Motion second. Any further discussion?
All those in favor? I >> I opposed like sign. Seeing none, carries unanimous. Thank you very much. Uh and item number 30, staff is requesting a continuence to December 9th, 2025.
What is the will of the board? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Motion second. Any further discussion? Commissioner Lockhart? >> Yeah. Um I've read the letter that came from with the oversight of this um particular piece of our work. um could
they please specify in writing what it is they believe is most restrictive um or making this more restrictive? I think we all have worked on this with our stakeholders at length um and have done some really deep dives on on this
topic and I would like them to put in writing what it is that they believe is a concern if that's something that the board is interested in. >> I'm I'm fine with that. Commissioner Her appears to be fine with that. >> I'm fine trying to >> exist. Yes. Constine's good.
>> Good. >> You have consensus. >> Okay. We'll put something together. >> Draft a letter. >> Would you like it to be for the chairman signature for the county attorney's office? >> Whatever. >> Okay. >> Just what's the problem? Maybe both.
>> Yeah. I think that probably I'm sorry, Nissa Borker, deputy county attorney for the record. I think that probably um it we have tried coord getting from the state this answer that commissioner Lockhart is looking for. We have
provided them information. We have been unable to do so. >> So I think a letter from the board from the chairman for the board would be >> would maybe go a little bit further than our staff level efforts have went. >> Sure. I'm fine with that about this. I
think you just do it. Let them deal with it. >> Yeah. >> If they won't answer and won't respond, >> test it. >> You know, test it and see. Oppose like sign. Seeing none, carries unanimous. >> All right. County attorney's report.
>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have one item for the board this afternoon. afternoon. Uh the county attorney's office is seeking consent of the board to pursue legal remedies under five separate affordable housing funding agreements from 2023 against the developer Florida Superior Properties Economic Community
Services, Inc., SPECS for short. Um, the county had donated five lots in the Midway area to Specs in 2022 and also contributed a total of $1 million for Specs to construct five affordable homes and to secure qualified buyers and to
date only two of those five homes have received certificates of occupancy. The other three are in various stages of construction and all building permits have expired. um communication with the developer has broken down despite Steph's staff's best efforts and so
we're seeking the permission of the board to pursue our remedies under the agreement and the mortgages the agreements and the mortgages that are recorded along with those agreements. >> Any questions? Commissioner her >> I'll weigh in. This is in my district and I've been working with community services and the county attorney's
office. We I I think our best move is to seek all remedies simultaneously. These homes are sitting, the ones that are done are sitting unattended um in midway and the others are close to being done and it's just simply wasteful
and not helpful to the community. So um I would appreciate your support of this directive. >> Second motion second motion and second. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor? I opposed like sign. >> Seeing none carries unanimous. Thank you
very much. Anything else? I have nothing further. Thank you. >> All right. Next is county manager report. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman, commissioners. Um, probably about six months ago, I think it was the chairman who actually talked to me about business tax receipts and
just the status of it. And, um, you know, where where should we go in the future for this? And [snorts] so, what I wanted to do is I'll have u Mr. Mike Rhodess come up and just give us just a brief overview of what our business tax receipts are, what the statuses of of it
is, and then um a few options for the board to consider and how to move forward with that. >> All right. Good afternoon, commissioners. Um before we get going, just want to quickly acknowledge our tax collector, J.R. control and his staff
and thank them for their support as we've prepared for this uh brief presentation for you this afternoon. Um and they're I think prepared to answer questions if if need be, but hopefully I hit the highlights and uh and you can um
let him off the hook for today. >> Did you call him in off vacation? >> Business tax receipts improvements have been made by the tax collector uh particularly here recently. uh and then the the current state of business tax receipts both here locally uh as well as
at the state level and then uh just give you all an opportunity to talk about uh next steps. Um like so much that we do in local government everything we do is uh rooted in Florida statutes. In the case of local business taxes, it's rooted in Florida statute
205. It's important to understand that that statute was adopted after u in the 70s after a lot of local governments had already had their at the time occupational license processes set up and the state came along in the I
believe it was beginning in the 70s in the earlier 70s uh to try to kind of help particularly um bring a little bit of order as far as renewal dates and things like that. So some of the things that you see in the statute kind of reflect that [snorts] uh original um
organizational the original organizational changes and then some things are a little more recent manifestations um that we could talk about like uh the many exemptions that exist to it. Um
the process is is kind of mirrored here at the local level. So, chapter 45 of the the county code adopts what we adopts uh Florida statute uh chapter 205 establishes a renewal process and
schedule that is the same across the state of Florida. Uh it establishes at least in in semol's case two classes of of businesses and we'll talk about those more in a minute. And then it provides for a transfer admin of administrative duties uh in the event that we want to
and and we have here um to other local governments. Um I want to talk very quickly just about some customer focused improvements that the tax collector has has implemented that I think you'll probably see if you haven't visited the website. Uh I would
encourage you to do it. A lot of really terrific information, very transparent, very easy and and and and customer focused. Uh the tax collector went live with this on May the 20th of this year. Uh and it provides again for um some
online reporting and application processes and other things that are that are more uh peculiar to the tax collector's role. Um the the vendor is a vendor called Grant Street and that vendor provides um tax collector
software platforms and services to I believe it's 37 37 of the 67 counties in the state of Florida. Wonderful, consistent, easy to use and and and kind of a credit I'd say to the tax collector's efforts to try to make
things work better for our customers and our constituents. um application process is online now. Um there's also online chat and help. So if you're going through the application and you need some help, you can click the chat and and and usually get it. Uh it
also provides for electronic payments of of those uh tax receipts once you complete the application process. And um there's a searchable database as I as I mentioned before. >> [snorts] >> Um, the other thing to to just kind of
make note of here is that uh, and I know we don't want to get into the weeds too much. Uh, the tax collectors got uh, things to talk to you about about interlocal agreements at some point. However, um, these are tools, these online tools are delinquent or closed.
Um and again remember the tax collector county code are uh class A which is not subject to government regulation. Class B which is subject to government regulation. Those are your two classes. So uh unregulated business is a is a
landscaper, it's a florist, it's a you know it's a handyman. It's it's it's any number any number of things. Regulated business. Examples of that obviously are CPAs and attorneys and architects and cosmetologists and and a lot of other
things that require state or federal licensing. [snorts] Uh it's also important to understand that um for the moment there's an honor system. So kind of the information that comes in is the information that we get.
uh there are no audits, there are no inspections, there's no there's no out in the field kind of validation of of what's going on. And so it's it's kind of as as it's uh at least described
uh as a by the state. It's a it's a tax. It's a you know, it's a process whereby we receive money and that's really about it. Um there is uh municipal licensing that's um that's also a part of this and and you know of course cities around the the
state also do this and they have different processes uh whereby they do it. Um we have seven rate um and then we have two municipalities here in Semol County that utilize flat rate systems again much like we we show seminal county regulated and seminal county
unregulated. Right? Those are our two business classifications. All those other business classifications are business classifications that are self-reported. They're not they're not necessarily required and many of them could be consolidated into either
regulated or or non-regulated. But again, based upon the information we get via the applications that come in, the descriptions uh are are varied. And would you believe it? I I'm trying to see if I can see it on there. I'm I'm
not sure I can, but uh if you were to if you were to believe the numbers here, I believe we have it was either 98 or 99 licensed contractors. Now, we all understand that that's a statelicicensed um business. So, that would classify as
a as a regulated business. However, because of the the kind of differing um application processes that we have and the and the again some of the age of the data in the database, we've got a lot of different things that are out there. And among those are uh for
example, when you get down to the other uh the other accounts for over,00 different business descriptions. Um so it's a there's a lot of information in there. It's it's inconsistent sheets by year. Um, and
again, you can see this is over a 10-year period. The collections have varied from uh a high of $486,000 for almost $487,000 in 2016 uh to a low this year of $310,426.
Again, some of that we can attribute to the switch over into the new system. Uh some of it too I think it's important to note you can attribute to um a lag I'll just describe try to describe it politely but a lag in reporting
[clears throat] uh from a lot of our um municipal partners. So the information that the the municipalities get uh often times doesn't get to us for three to six months. And by information, I mean not only the descriptions of of the
businesses, but also the remittances that come back to the county for uh those business tax receipt payments. Um so certainly not what you'd like to see, but um as I understand it, that's really the explanation and and um again over
time, we're hoping that that gets a lot better. Um this slide is just kind of again an illustration of delinquents versus versus paid. Um it it it has uh I think if this this was
as of 1110 uh of this month um it it has you improved as we go along. So some of these businesses [clears throat] are coming in and there are delinquent fees that are again prescribed by the state in the state statute. So as the delinquent businesses come in, they pay
those those delinquent those delinquent penalties, if you will. Um so that number gets the the delinquent number gets smaller and smaller. Uh but we still have a significant number of delinquencies across uh across this uh
database. Uh the current information we request is pretty limited. Uh and we'll just run run down really quickly. name, address, business description, and again remember that's kind of open uh the open date for the
business itself and that could be a date in the future, it could be a date in the past and and you know those fees can be uh adjusted accordingly or prorated. Uh a phone number, email address, uh corporate information if there is corporate information and then a federal
employee number or social security number depending upon the nature of the business. Uh that is the information we get. Not a lot. Um and we can certainly talk about that a little bit more if you like. Uh but at this point uh with all that information in hand, we'll turn it
over to you all for any questions or comments. >> Thank you very much. Of course, I asked us to come forward because I already did a bunch of this work to know where we stood. My >> state law I think is that your recollection of how that started? Okay.
Okay. [clears throat] And since it's not the case, >> right? [laughter] So, so, so we were working under some inaccurate information at the time. Um, I I >> I have lots of thoughts about this. Um,
I went to get my hair done a couple weeks ago. Okay. >> And my um stylist Thank you. >> Thank you. I did some low lightss too instead highlights. Um but he shared with me the process that he had just recently undergone because he is in the
city of Sanford and so he had to come he had to get a Sanford tax business tax receipt and he had to get a seminal county tax receipt and the day that he was coming to get the he was coming in person to get the one here we were doing the um the little league and so I think
h having been a secret shopper recently in this process I lining and giving our residents um lining and giving our residents >> a lot of different ways. But um you know at the end of >> are complying with the the fireers are
complying with the the fire you know safety in the and the um uh current laws that are you know safety in the and the um uh current laws that are >> ask what kind of businesses they have. They have no data to refer to.
>> Is that one of the ways you can get that? >> Yeah. Yeah. a permit is >> uses the state uh information from Sunbiz. Um and there's different uses the state uh information from Sunbiz. Um and there's different groups that he gets information from and also from
federal if there's any federal types >> aren't paying for it >> are defunct. Defunct is in the bucket of do pay on time though. >> Sure. [laughter] Um but but here's the problem. Um, unless we are going to be really
really diligent and become exactly what we in this community have typically said we don't want to be, we won't. >> That's a setup problem. So I don't know how that happens where we implement a system that quite honestly we >> I want more information before I throw
it in the trash bin. I'm not saying on payments and this has been a major issue that we want to now either and I have no teeth in these things. All we can really do is keep sending letters and keep telling them they're behind on their business tax receipts. So really, it's like there's there's not a lot of teeth there. It
>> it's a mind grab. Let's just I >> Okay, there you go. >> That's all, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. >> Thank you. All right, let's go to district reports. The first one is going to be district five who also has an appointment to make. Commissioner her. >> I do have an appointment to make.
I'll start with that. It's item 31A to appoint Zachary Miller as the district 5 representative to the scope of board for the term of 1126 to 123129. >> Second motion second. All those in favor? >> I opposed like sign. Seeing none carries unanimous.
>> Thank you. >> And Veterans Day ceremony for the city of Sanford. I usually attend and do the proclamation. But I want to point out that this year our new veteran services uh manager for lack of I don't know what
his title is, new veteran services person did officer did an outstanding job as the keynote speaker. He was tapped in at the last minute. He did a great job. Hats off to him for stepping
in and and doing that. It was really really good. So, uh, I just want to make sure that all your officers are aware of it because it's going to have, uh, two phases. The first phase is going to be bringing a lot of equipment to do the, uh, actual upgrades and then the second
phase is the construction. Uh, there will be some major outages in the area. I've talked to our staff and I know when there are outages, uh, we can, uh, keep information on our website so people understand it. I just want to make sure all your officers are aware of it in case you get any phone calls and that we
keep the public as informed as possible. But there's going to be through the next several months [snorts] uh inconveniences to the public bringing the big equipment in and then actual outages in the surrounding immediate area of those homes. So, it's going to
be there'll be some notices from Duke out there, but I wanted to make sure if we get phone calls or if your office gets any phone calls that the information is provided to you. uh that and it's going to take a series of months to do that. Next, I want to just give everyone an update that uh at
Metroplan Orlando through Metrop Plan and uh FDOT, there's been a series of workshops on ebikes. Our staff has been involved in some of it. There's some preliminary information. I'll make sure that your officers have that. There has not been
any determination what should be done or recommendations to the state, but they're trying to look at this holistically and different classifications. Are there a need for licenses? There's a lot of different things because people are using ebikes and there's different speeds that they can drive and uh or
ride and people are actually getting hurt that are uh young children as well as people that are on the sidewalks and trails uh having conflicts with ebikes. So I'll make sure that as we get the information that it's
dispersed to the offices as well and uh we got the first round of information from what DOT and Metro plan has been looking at. Next thing that's going on at Metro Plan is they're actually doing some work on speed tables or speed bumps. Our staff's been very involved in
that as well. And so as that becomes informed uh available, I'll make sure that you're also available on that. uh don't have the information, but once we get it, we'll pass it on. And last, I want to wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving. I know that uh this is the
time we're going into the holiday season. Uh take time for our families and our loved ones. And uh we won't have any additional meetings to Thanksgiving. So, please travel safe if you are traveling. And if you are staying home with your family and your loved ones, please be safe and careful because
things do happen. And uh we want to make sure that we see everyone back here after the holidays. End of my report. Mr. German. >> Thank you. Uh on on the uh ebike is MO I heard you say working with FOT. Uh but at the state level they're already
drafting language. So >> well they're working with the state. The state's working with us and >> we're just trying to provide additional information through DOT. DOT is actually doing it >> and so they're actually working with all entities regarding that. >> Great. Thank you. >> They had their first meeting. DOT had
their first meeting in South Florida. That's when they brought this up and then I had a meeting up here. And so they're they're shopping it around the state. So I wanted to make sure that as we get the information, I actually have a handout. I didn't want to just email it to you all, but I'll make sure that your officers get it.
>> We were weren't we working on something as well? >> Yes. Um I think we Kate, Miss Lour, just mentioned to me that we already have a draft ordinance that we're working on waiting for uh the state to >> Okay, great. as well because Metro Plan has been
talking to our staff. There's a lot of interaction with this. This is not, you know, each county and each city is going to have their orders. It's going to be a statewide issue and they're working on it. Don't know how long it'll take. Uh I can tell you that uh there's been some dialogue in the state through the years about golf carts and then they decided
not to make any decision. >> So [laughter] that may be the decision to make. I don't know. But as we get the information, I just wanted to make to be transparent to make sure that all our officers have it. >> Great. Commissioner Constine,
>> thank you. And um [clears throat] the little I have today um first at the regional planning council, we did have the meeting, the last meeting at Neo City in CMI. I do want to um let you know that our own county manager had a
lot to do with that and it's quite impressed that uh Ron Piccolo is down there. >> Yes, he is. >> Okay. >> Yes, he was one of the ones that spoke. >> Good. Good choice. >> Also, after that, I um being in the area, I went over to u the uh automated
vehicles conference that was going down there. I could just see almost every city has something of lighting uh up. Uh and I'm not going to go through the details, but the Christmas parades and the lighting of the festivals. Um but
[clears throat] the uh Central Florida Zoo had our Asian Lantern Festival uh grand opening both first for elected officials to get more cooperation since it is the Central Florida Zoo trying to
get other cityular uh presentation and with that >> when does it run through do >> uh the end of January I believe or near the end of January I don't have the exact dates with me but near the end of January And with that, I also wish everybody a happy Thanksgiving. Look forward to
seeing you in December. >> Great. Commissioner Lock >> trusted voices and offering not only the the president himself as a as a um resource for them, but to see which members of the community who are members
of trades that they might be able to give the opportunity to work on the building that is serving their community. I mean it just it gave me the chills in the meeting decision about this relationship at some point. So decision about this relationship at some
point. So Mr. Gray or to whoever you would like to >> Yeah. Actually I'm going to pass it to uh Miss Johnson. She's been working on it for for us. >> Yes. Thank you. Uh Trisha Johnson, deputy county manager. Just as a reminder for the record, the this building the community feels a great uh
responsibility is this is their community building. So they would like more opportunity to utilize it and feel that it's too limited. Uh Boys and Girls Clubs of course ability to assist with rentals. Right now it's a security company who may or may not understand the depth of their responsibilities. So
we're talking about is there a member of the parks and recck team or a member of the community who can be responsible to be there on the weekends and when the facility is rent the folks that want to rent it who do they go to the county or boys and girls? So it's that's a problem we need to solve.
>> And and the Boys and Girls Club currently occupying [clears throat] those individuals are from that community or they're not from that community. >> We have a list of individuals that has been provided to us by Boys and Girls Clubs um that are uh part of their
program and some are from the community and some are not. >> Okay. All right. So you'll get something back to us or >> Yeah, we're working on that. just wanted wanted to keep you all in the loop because um it seems like it's a constant moving target and I know we run
into folks in the community who are either on the seminal county board or who are on the central Florida board. There's just been a lot of interaction and I figured it would be a good idea to you for you to know the latest greatest on that. Thank you, Patricia, for that. >> And one thing, if you don't mind, Commissioner, I just wanted to say that
we are working um state CFO asking for some clarification on the uh controller, clerk of the court and controllers uh trust funds. >> My understanding is we have not received a response to that letter as of yet or an acknowledgement of its receipt. Is that correct?
>> I have not. >> No, >> I have not either. >> Okay. Um, it occurred to me that we did not copy our legislative delegation on that letter and perhaps it would be a good idea for us to go ahead and forward that letter to them with a cover letter
explaining to them that we are forwarding it to them absent a response from the CFO. >> Makes sense. And and I don't and in this part I'm I I'm wavering on myself whether or not it's an appropriate request, but would
asking them would this be an appropriate um opportunity for JAC to weigh in um a referral to the joint legislative audit committee. If this is something that the CFO feels is not um something he wants to tackle, maybe our legislative delegation would be interested in taking
this up with Jay. That would be my recommendation. >> Should you wait for response first? >> How long do you want to wait? >> I understand that. >> I'd put it all in one. We're giving them an option. Consider it's an option for
consideration. How long has it been since How long has it been since we put that letter out there? >> A couple weeks. >> Couple weeks at least. >> Two weeks. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I think the delegation should know the letter was sent. >> I definitely think the delegation should
be sent. That's not my issue. My issue is the JAC. I just want to make sure that we give them enough time to respond before we throw that out there. Um maybe maybe we draft it u to our legislative delegation with [clears throat] a letter to them that
says lacking any response from the CFO. Uh please provide [clears throat] the appropriate mechanism for us to get the information other than the CFO do that. >> Maybe it's not JAC. Maybe it's there. Maybe there's some other method. Yeah,
I'm not sure it's JAC, but maybe but I don't know that it is. >> It might be an auditor general deal or something like that. I don't know. >> Okay. >> But >> good point. >> So, >> so we can get that done pretty quick.
Maybe even this afternoon. >> Okay, understood. >> We'll put the uh attachments with it, too, which was the original letters from CFO. So they're copy with they have all the background information be good. I'm fine with that.
>> Thank you. I have I have two more items. Um given the uh I think it's Senate Bill 180 discussion and our pause on the rural enclave um movement. um one of my constituents
who lives in the Lazy Acres community reached out and um it was explained they asked you know where where are we in the process right and so um our staff responded that we have put that on hold because of the action from the state right
>> and the um one of the the potential remedies that was offered was perhaps if a significant number whether it's a vast majority or or all a unanimous request from the uh property owners that would be impacted um if they wanted to make an
application themselves to the county as opposed to the county uh moving forward with modifying the comp plan. Would the board of county commissioners contemplate waving their application fee? Um and I think that's something that this board um
would maybe consider, but certainly don't want our staff to be the ones who feel that they have to make that decision. It's a question. >> Yes. >> We wave the application fee. They make the application. We say yes, we're going to do it. We still file. They still say
no. >> Or I can I can >> when it goes up for review, you mean? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, um, privately initiated comp plan amendments are not are not under the purview. So
that's how you I don't want to say get around. >> So the answer is yes. I'd wave it. >> Before we make that decision, is there any issues with waving that fee from the state's perspective? >> Uh there's no legal issue to waving the fee. I mean,
>> whatever's going on, it's always good to ask the question. >> Yeah, there's no legal issue with that. It would be at the discretion of the board to make sure >> I think that um >> you know operationally probably there needs to be some guidance on how you would want to do it.
>> You know, we wouldn't want to have like 50 single applications come in. you'd want to have all the properties that are and then there's some determination on what we uh what comp plan designation we give
them because we were creating one an overlay. So we we [clears throat] could create there's just different ways we can we can do it but um as far as the fee goes that's something that that you guys should really consider and direct staff. Well, I think we got to be
careful also from standpoint not fall into the contract zoning issue because what I'm hearing here is we want to tell the residents how to set it up and then we can move forward. No, I mean I think the residents would
apply and say we want, you know, we saw the study. The study was >> understood. But I think what I just heard was we'd have to have some guidance on [clears throat] instead of having 50 different applications. >> Oh, just the waiver. Just how you would
want the waiver to work. >> That's all I meant by that. Like the waiver of the fee. Yeah, that's Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. That's the only thing I was [snorts] saying. like, you know, you want to wave a fee in clumps or do you want to wave it for this whole geographic area that was
included, you know, in those different rural enclaves, like how you want them to work. Do you wanted to do it not just for that one, but for the other ones that were also because we've got a request from just one of the areas. So, >> Mr. Chairman, Commissioner, since there's one or two people who's talking
to you, could you not ask him to talk to our county attorney for some advice and then they can move forward? >> Um, sure. I mean, I mean, >> or they can go to DRC. >> So, they are already in touch with our
planning team and the planning manager and and that [clears throat] was where the suggestion came in from. It came the suggestion came from our planning staff. you all come in together and make the application, we could consider that. And then the request was made by the
community member. Well, if we do that and get everybody together, would you wave the fee for us? Um, and and so my initial reaction when I saw that was yes, I would consider that as a commissioner. I think that that's something I think that was it. I was questioning more the fee issue than the
process issue because I think our staff has the process in their mind of how it would work. >> I wasn't aware of that. Okay. And I probably didn't do an adequate job of explaining that. >> So my question for legal is let's say there are 24 property owners
and two or three say no no no I don't want any parts of this. Where does where does that stand? >> I think you need willing property owners in order to avoid the effects of SB 180 because otherwise it would be >> well you wouldn't include those property
owners in the application. >> Yeah. they wouldn't be forced to be part of the rural enclave. Only the volunt the property owners that were voluntarily opting in. >> So the problem with that is if you create a donut hole, >> it's every other house. >> Then it's you know at some later point who's going to make the decision? It
would be this board. What happens with those who weren't included? >> Well, the the approval would it always would come to this board for >> understood. No, that which is going to be the arbitrary fight we've seen many times, which is why are you letting them build four houses per acre when we're on
one per acre? >> I mean, there's a lot to be analyzed and evaluated. >> I think I I'd rather report back to us where all the land points and traps are. Otherwise, I personally when it comes to 180,
I'm I'm not against testing 180. not against it for a second. I mean, sooner or later, somebody's got to make a decision. Us and other counties are sitting here all in limbo.
Some are suing. We've asked for let us work with you, help you reddraft it, change it, whatever. I don't think there's much movement on it. That's just me. So, while all of that is probably good conversation for another day, that was
really I just so you know, I was not intending to go to to that deep of a level. But if our if our team if there's consensus from the board to at least allow the staff to continue to work with the citizens who would who are contemplating bringing a unanimous
request forward, would the board consider waving the fee? And I I think I'm hearing yes. I have no problem with that. >> I think the word in there that causes me pause is I don't know that I would require it to be unanimous because
there's enough Lazy Acres is a great place to test this. It's not that spread out. Very close-knit community, long-term residents. There may be somebody they can't get a hold of. I'd still entertain it. >> Yeah. >> I think you may have some traction.
>> Okay. So, Mr. County manager, could you ask your team to continue to work with those folks under that premise? >> Yes, I can do that. >> Okay. >> Okay. All right. I know it's a weird request, but thank you. Okay. And
finally, my last one. So, we have an open um citizen advisory committee member for the um Sunreil, the commuter rail commission um citizen advisory committee of Sunreil. And while he has not put in his actual application yet,
um, Commissioner Patrick Austin from the city of Sanford has told me that he would be willing to serve in that role. Um, he rides Sun Rail every day of the week to his job in downtown Orlando. And if um, and if he is listening to my voice, Patrick, we I would love to put
you on my um, district report next time if we could get your application in. >> But if he's an elected official, is he allowed to serve? Yes. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> He is he's not he is not a um >> not a decision-making for elected body.
>> There's no conflict is what the county attorney's office or the at the attorneys from that are involved in the commuter rail commission looked at it and they opined that it would not both DOT and our looked at it. >> Sure. Put them on. >> Yeah.
>> Patrick should do a good job. Can we do this subject to successful submission of the application? >> That's what that's what she's saying. >> No, she I think she said >> I was saying get it in because I think the process that we have in place is you have to put in your application so that
it's a part of the agenda so that it can be included and whatever. But I'm bringing it to your attention so that we can just like wrap it up unless you want to make a modification and then I'm happy to entertain. I'm happy. >> And my my question is can we move to approve it subject to successful submission of the application? So we're
not hung up by the application with one meeting in December. >> That's a good point. >> Can we do that? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I opposed. Like sign carries unanimous. >> Took away your the hammer. You took away
the hammer. >> All right. We'll we'll see him at a parade or two, I'm sure. >> Okay. That thank happy Thanksgiving to everyone. Thank you. >> All right. Um not a whole lot going on. airport update. They're moving forward. Looks
like they're getting some traction on the possibility of having hopefully extended leases beyond the 50-year period, which is part of the holdup uh on getting some of these bigger clients on the landside lease uh to move forward
because of the amount of money they have to invest long-term uh for their corporation to have a footprint there. The airport will be sending over an invitation to all the electeds here on this bo body as well as city of Sanford
to come for a orientation meeting to learn everything that's going on at the airport including the landside and the air side procedures for bringing new carriers in
And it'll be a time for anybody to answer any questions or ask any questions they may want to. >> Awesome. Do they have a date yet? >> Uh, it should be by the end of the year, but I haven't been given a date. No date's been given it. You should be getting that
>> conversation from U Nicole. >> Okay. >> Should be reaching out to you, >> okay, >> to verify. So, that'll be a good time for everybody to ask questions or particular questions you might have. Um, outside of that, um, not a whole lot
going on. Uh, we covered the letter. We've had no response from the CFO. We covered that. Uh, you all covered some of the other things, so I don't have a whole lot else to cover. So, I will move on to the election. Oh, I'm sorry. Public comment for items not on the agenda.
>> I have one thing if you don't mind. I'm sorry I forgot to bring it up. >> And under my report, we had such a good business tax receipt discussion. Um, I just want to, and you all know this already, but just thank Jose Gomez. He, this is his last meeting with us. Uh, he
will be departing us in two weeks and heading, could I say, just south to Orlando, um, to Disney. He wants to be at the happiest place on earth. So, uh, well, I just want to Jose has done such a great job with development services
and customer service focused and, uh, especially with the development review and all that. So, um, bringing all that together. So, I just wanted to publicly thank him. I know you all, uh, always commend him. So, [applause] thank you, Jose, for all you do. Um, and Mr. Mike
Rhodess gets the short star also. [laughter] So, he is actually Mike, no, I'm just joking. Mike is has voluntarily stepped up and he is going to be our interimm director of development services as we recruit for the replacement. So, I just wanted to let the board know that.
>> Great. on on that matter. It is Mickey Mouse's birthday today. >> Is it really >> as well as national princess >> Willie? >> 1928. >> So, we will move to public comment on items not on the agenda. We will ask the county attorney to read the rules of
engagement. Miss Lour, >> do I have rules of engagement for this? Mr. Chairman, >> well, you told me you did, but >> do we have >> public comment? Yeah. does. >> You have three minutes.
>> You have three minutes to speak on issues related to county business. If you are an official representative from an organization or group, you have six minutes to speak on items officially related to county business. >> Thank you. >> So, success.
>> Any any any public speakers? >> Yes, sir. One speaker, Adam Nelson. >> Mr. Adam Nelson. And if you'll just give us your name and address for the record, please. Good afternoon, council. I'm Adam Nelson. I live at 3800 Lake Harney
Circle in Geneva. I own multiple parcels in this county. I own six companies in this county. and I got an issue where I need to get straightened out today or at least getting some guidance to make sure it happens. Uh, we have the leadership of Jose does a great job, but he's he's
leaving, right? So, I want to make sure that we clean this up as fast as possible before the end of the year. I bought a parcel in 22. Uh it's called 595 Rest Haven Road and uh we did the small site plan review to do the plaque
of of the current property and uh [clears throat] excuse me. Uh we have all the requirements and all the comments completed except we get to the title opinion at the very end and I've already counseledled with legal uh on
your staff and with five other attorneys outside of the county uh u legal and uh we're basically don't have the information that we're looking for to try to present a good
title opinion and where I have left off with it is the fact that we did get some samples from the legal department uh from the county. Uh but what we're getting here is the original um purchase of the property. The title opinion came
with it, but it's nonvalid because it's 3 years for four years old. So I think it has to be up to a current state of 6 months or something like that. Um, and the feedback I'm getting for all the representation I've been trying to get
is that they cannot validate any deficiencies that this properties has because it's not platted. And I don't know how to get past that gridlock. I've asked Deborah in your
office to apply some help. Um, Jose's done about everything he could. Um, and then talking with the legal department here, I understand they can't have communication. So, it's time to put it out here on the record and let's get down and let's get this thing done. >> Mason, are you familiar with this?
>> Yes. >> Can you give us u an overview of what >> Sure. Um, so the title opinion that was provided wasn't in the acceptable format that we need. It has to go back a certain amount of time. It has to be done within a certain amount of time
before you plaque because we have to make sure that we know all encumbrances on the record and that they're reflected in the plat. Um, I've sent Mr. Nelson a couple examples of valid title opinions. Um, I've corresponded with the previous
attorney that he was using. Um, and I'm I'm not 100% sure what he was retained for, but I was corresponding with him and explaining what we need. And there seems to be and I I'm I apologize. I don't know what the issue is and why
[clears throat] um Mr. Nelson has talked to so many attorneys and they haven't been able to provide an opinion. It's something that we get all the time regularly, right? >> It's not um something that's, you know, we that's that that is is hard typically
for an applicant to get. So, I'm not really sure what the issue is. What I can say is I mean I'm happy if if Mr. Nelson would like to get talk to one of the attorneys that he spoke with. I can talk to that attorney directly and explain to them >> what exactly we need. But both the
county surveyor and I are gave the same comments. We're on the same page. You know that and we've provided examples of what our requirements are. So >> So let make sure I'm understand this. This is not something that's being held up on our side. This is something a
title search or title company or attorney doing title search should be able to provide on behalf of the applicant. >> Right? We need just a title opinion for the property that goes back 30 years that includes all incumbrances, shows who the owner is, the mortgage holder, any easements on the property.
>> Um >> yeah, that's that's our standard requirement that we require for every >> thing every applicant brings in. >> Yeah, absolutely. There's nothing um special in this case that I know of. I'm not sure. I I've still, Mr. Nelson,
unable to determine why the attorneys have told you that because the property wasn't previously platted that they can't do a title opinion because we accept title opinions for raw land that isn't platted all the time. So, I'm not sure where and I'm not sure
where the disconnect is here. I I wish I could I wish I >> Could I ask you to work with Mr. Nelson and his council to >> Sure. Yeah. I I mean I've been I' I've been doing that up and up until this point. [clears throat] Um I've been providing them feedback and emails and
examples, but I'm happy. >> And you're not hearing back from those attorneys or >> Well, the attorney that I was previously emailing with, he said he couldn't do it and he was passing it off to someone else and then I guess that didn't work out. And then I
>> I I've gotten some help from the county to try to look off the record. So, >> do you have counsel that >> do the do what needs to be done? >> I don't have the counsel to do what you guys need to be done. I >> That's what you're going to need to get,
>> but I haven't reached out to two sample letters yet to get them firms to look at what I have to do because I don't want to keep just opening doors and I'm not getting anywhere. >> So, Mr. Nelson, this is not a novel idea. This is something that takes place anytime an applicant comes in.
It's not novel for title searches to be presented so we can move forward. I can't speak to the attorneys or counsel that you've hired, but any attorney practicing in that expertise, it should not be a big deal. >> As far as I know, it it really is.
That's why nobody's taking the job. >> Well, then maybe there's some problem or issue there that somebody needs to explain to you about the property, which that's not without a title search. We can't speak to that. >> Oh, I agree. I mean, but they're saying that they they cannot sign off on
something that potentially could have deficiencies. They're you're wanting them to sign off on it, and they said that would not be valid. So, they [snorts] don't want to do it. >> Of course, which is the same thing our people are going to >> We're stonewalled because we can't get to that.
>> That's all. All you've got to do is get clean title. [laughter] >> I can't get it. >> Well, then that's a problem. We we we can't handle something. Correct me if I'm wrong. We can't process something you can't get clean title on, can we?
>> Well, all we need is an opinion of title. We're not asking the attorney to sign off on or, you know, allow any sort of incumbrances to remain on the property just to identify all of the incumbrances going back 30 years. It's it's called an opinion of title. It's >> it's very com again, like you said, it's
very it's very common. an opinion of title or a property information report. If there was a previous one done, it can be updated through a property information report. That's other terminology that's used too. But the property information report is also signed off, goes back 30 years,
you know, has everything that that we need to see. >> Well, what some of the >> I'm sorry. >> What what I would ask is and I I think I've already heard we have been working with this >> Mr. Nelson. >> Some of the communication breakdown is that when Mr. when when anyone has counsel under the Florida bar rules, we
can't speak to the client. We have to speak attorney to attorney, >> right? >> So, if he's represented, Nesa has sent multiple correspondents saying, "I will be happy to talk to your attorney." So, okay. >> It's >> So, it sounds like we need to have your attorney get with our attorneys attorney
>> so we can get the information to your attorney so there's clarity on what's needed. >> What I think I'm hearing. >> Yeah. I'm happy to provide that. Sure. >> Talk to anybody. Yeah. Well, to a previous attorney that he had that said
he I don't think he was a real estate attorney. So, I think he was handing it off to somebody else and then I don't know if that person wasn't a real estate attorney or what, but also, you know, these, >> like I said, a property information report can come from a title company and can update the previous title that was
done. We just don't take >> insurance title insurance commitments. That's not a valid document, right? >> So, >> okay, fair enough. >> So, basically, >> our council can work with your council to help everybody understand what's >> that'd be great. Um, I just want to make
it make sure that you understand it. I've talked to people and basically what we're asking for from the seminal county cannot be done. That's what they're telling me. So, I'm I'm I'm at a standstill. We don't think you're at a standstill because more than likely because we get these all of the time.
>> When there's it's the telephone game. When there's a middleman speaking between two attorneys, the person that often doesn't win in that is the middleman because you're relaying legal ease to two different lawyers. What needs to happen, not that we don't love
lawyers, we love lawyers for the record. But what needs to happen is that your attorney, who what I'm hearing probably needs to be a real estate attorney, needs to speak to our attorney. And my guess is shortly thereafter, you'll probably get what you need. But
an estate attorney can't do it. A general practice attorney probably can't do it. They're very specialized. And that seems like there may be a breakdown there. So what somebody what one attorney can't do, another attorney does all day long. >> Like doctors. I appreciate I just want to open the dialogue and put it on the
floor for record. >> Y Thank you. We're here. >> Thank you. >> All right. Do we have anyone else here to speak on >> county business? All right. We'll close public input on the non-aggenda items
and we will move to reorganization of board. We'll pass this down to the county attorney. She needs it. >> She needs it. Don't throw it. >> Which do I get to bang it, though? I mean,
[laughter] >> all right. Reorg reorganization of the board. Uh, the board's policies and procedures require that the board elect a new chairman and vice chairman every year during this meeting. Um, just for the benefit of the public and for
your refresher for all of you, I'm going to go over the process real quickly. Um, I will open the floor to nominations. Um, nominations do not need a motion. They do not need a second. Um, I will take them in the order they're received. When nominations have ceased, we will
close the floor to nominations and we will call a vote on the individuals nominated in the order they were nominated. Um at that time once we have a majority vote electing a chairman the the new chairman or whoever's elected chairman will preside over the election
of the vice chairman and we'll go through the same process. >> Mr. Chairman >> I am the presiding officer the presiding officer over here when you bang the gang the gate >> order.
>> There you go. Madam [laughter] Chair, >> um I would like to open the floor to nominations, please. >> Madam Chair, I'm sorry. I would like to move um Commissioner Her. >> I'll second that. And I'll agree with that. >> Well, now you give the G to Commissioner
Her. >> Can we call the question? >> Who is running this meeting, you guys? [laughter] >> Hey, Kate. Got to move fast. >> I'm asking a question. I hear a nomination for Commissioner Her and I heard a second and heard a third. Are there any further nominations?
>> Motion to close nominations. >> We'll do that. That's fine. All in favor of Commissioner Her >> I. >> Congratulations, Chairman Heres. [applause] >> And who was ever chairman at this time or chairperson? I'd just like to thank
Commissioner Zimbau for two years of a lot of hard work and effort. >> Well, absolutely. >> Thank you. And and and I was prepared to thank each and every one of you for the support. Um and very important is is thank the staff um leadership as well as
all the way down to the the folks that are really doing the on the ground work. It's because of the work that you all do uh that that we don't see every day that that make us shine and I sincerely appreciate it very much. Thank you.
>> Well, my first duty was going to be to thank you, but but Lee took that. So, I appreciate your uh vote of support. I I will take nominations for a vice chair and also let you know that I have one, which is Amy Lockhart.
Okay. So, we're nominating Amy Lock. Let's do it. >> Any further nominations? Nope. >> All those in favor? I >> I >> Motion passes. >> There you go. That was easy.
[applause] >> So, I will set up an appointment with Darren and more than likely Trisha to make sure that we do a smooth transition. Jay, thank you for everything that you've done this year. It seems like when you are the chairman, all hell breaks loose. So hopefully that's done. Bullets are out of the
chamber. >> I get all the heavy lifting. >> Yes. >> Sorry to interrupt. Um there's one more item of business on the agenda and that is to reaffirm the board's code of conduct which your policies require you do every year. >> So moved.
>> Yep. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Second. >> All those in favor? I I >> I >> I'll also point out that we have several renditions of this code of conduct that have been edited and never finalized and I may just let that lie for another year just based on how high Commissioner
Delar's eyebrows went when I brought that up again. >> I will say I did get a call from a local reporter asking if this was on our agenda because something had happened. >> Of course, >> it was interesting and I said no. I mean, nothing has happened other than
what you see happen in the way that we interact with each other at at every board meeting, but that this is just a reaffirmation of our commitment to one another and to our community and to our staff of how we intend to conduct business and um and they were, I think, pleasantly surprised
to hear that, but also kind of sad that they didn't have a story. >> Right. >> I think the latter was wrong. >> I think it's be >> I think it's be so county attorney, have I accomplished everything that needs to be accomplished? Let me double check for you. Would you like the gavl back for a minute?
>> Oh, [snorts] the next item of business is to adjourn. >> Well, and before we do, my office will anything you all need, uh Deborah or I will helpfully provide or give guidance on anything you need, just reach out. >> All right, motion to adjurnn.
>> Awesome. >> Let's do it. >> All set then. Good. >> Thank you. Chris wants a