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Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=c7Vj9mqcEVw
Video-2: youtube.com/watch?v=0j4-5hjQ1Lo

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MEETING SECTIONS:

Part 1 (Video ID: c7Vj9mqcEVw):
- 00:00:00: Invocation, Pledge of Allegiance, and County Welcome
- 00:06:18: Proclamation Honoring Veteran Robert Pizuro of Month
- 00:11:55: Proclamation Honoring Memorial Day, May 25th, 2026
- 00:16:53: Proclaiming National Travel & Tourism Week in Semino County
- 00:20:52: Recognizing Lake Mary High School Cheerleading State Champions
- 00:26:11: Resolution Honoring Fred Kittinger Retirement From UCF
- 00:36:54: Photograph Session After Kittinger's Recognition
- 00:42:28: Additional Remarks About Fred Kittinger's Contributions
- 00:46:23: Approval of Consent Agenda Items with Modifications
- 00:47:47: Fire Department's 5-Year Capital Improvement Plan Overview
- 00:50:51: Construction Costs of New Fire Stations Since 2017
- 00:55:16: Accolades & Achievements of Semino County Fire Department
- 00:57:44: Analysis of Call Load Trends and Stabilization Factors
- 01:00:27: Proposed Five-Year Capital Improvement Plan Construction
- 01:10:50: Future Land and Station Needs Anticipated for Fire Services
- 01:15:55: Board Feedback and Decision to Adopt the 5-Year Plan
- 01:27:19: Indoor Sports Facility Update: Retreat Recap and Discussion
- 01:36:27: Potential Land Purchases & Building Update Presentation
- 01:49:35: Project Funding and Return on Investment: Detailed Analysis
- 02:00:48: Action Items Requested from the Board and Discussion
- 02:02:59: Public Comment Regarding Indoor Sports Facility Update
- 02:13:59: Board Discussion and Voting on Action Items for Indoor Facility

Part 2 (Video ID: 0j4-5hjQ1Lo):
- 00:01:11: Meeting Called to Order; Legislative Item 32 Introduction
- 00:02:51: Lorie Bailey Brown Presents West Crystal Lake MSBU
- 00:05:17: Deputy Attorney Borurt Clarifies Ordinance and Interlocal Agreement
- 00:06:24: Commissioner Lockhart Expresses Gratitude and Explains MSBU
- 00:07:45: Commissioners, Lake Mary Mayor Praise Collaboration for MSBU
- 00:10:11: Motion to Adopt West Crystal Lake Management MSBU
- 00:10:43: LifePoint Christian Church Special Exception Introduction
- 00:11:15: Planning Department Explains LifePoint Church Expansion Request
- 00:14:55: Pastor Ays Presents LifePoint Church Expansion Plans
- 00:19:39: Public Comment Opens for LifePoint Church Expansion
- 00:20:00: James Gromlick Supports LifePoint Church Expansion
- 00:21:55: Steven Ducker Expresses Concerns over LifePoint Plans
- 00:25:12: Richard Hoffman Raises Flooding Concerns About Retention Pond
- 00:28:00: Ronald Stein Opposes Retention Pond Placement Due to Runoff
- 00:30:08: Project Engineer Dixon Responds To Community Concerns
- 00:31:32: County Engineer Lefaso Addresses Pond Breaching Concerns
- 00:34:18: Motion Passes to Approve LifePoint Church Expansion
- 00:35:05: Sandy Lane Homes Rezone: Introduction by Caitlyn Abgar
- 00:37:56: Connecting Sidewalks and Intent of the Zoning District
- 00:41:25: Achieving Consistency within the Comprehensive Plan
- 00:44:14: Brent Spain Presents on Sandy Lane Rezone Request
- 00:47:57: Site Access Considerations; Land Development Code Overview
- 00:52:20: Addressing Traffic Concerns with Traffic Study from Walsh
- 00:56:30: Review of Reasons for P&Z Denial and Request for Approval
- 00:59:17: Commissioner Lockhart Questions the Choice of Zoning
- 01:03:06: Land Developer Jordan Responds to Compatibility and Price Point
- 01:09:13: Public Comment Begins on the Sandy Lane Rezone Request
- 01:10:19: Gary Chrysler Emphasizes the Preservation of Quality of Life
- 01:14:11: Lee Waldridge Raises Concerns About Property Values
- 01:17:32: Sandy Shay Expresses Support for the Proposed Rezone
- 01:20:33: Sandy Lane HOA President Andrew Zto Raises Traffic Concerns
- 01:23:48: Zto Concerns About Affordable Housing Mismatch for Zoning
- 01:27:18: Steve Lit Highlights Walkability Concerns on Sand Lake Road
- 01:30:02: Jude Stevens Discusses Community Meeting and Traffic
- 01:33:43: Donnie Anderson Asks Board Uphold Safety Standards
- 01:40:54: Expert Witness: Power Lines, Aquifers, and Flooding Concerns
- 01:44:43: Cynthia Hayes: Missing Middle, Density, And School Concerns
- 01:47:42: Michael Hidman: Missing Middle Zoning Concerns, Density Increase
- 01:50:59: Susan Montinez: Traffic Congestion Concerns Near Multiple Schools
- 01:53:11: Muhammad Munir: Concerns Over School Overcrowding Safety
- 01:54:16: Judy Piso: Traffic Study Flaws and Affordable Housing Doubts
- 01:57:34: Pam Tapley: Traffic And Safety Risks Around Pace Brantley
- 02:00:15: Gary Rothell: Increased Traffic and Flood Zone Concerns
- 02:02:40: Applicant's Response: Addressing Fears, Density, Traffic, Schools
- 02:14:33: Commissioner Constantine: Intent of Missing Middle Is Affordability
- 02:18:10: Commissioners' Discussion: Clarification Needed on Missing Middle
- 02:31:05: Rosenwald Community Center: Rezoning For Park and Center
- 02:36:54: Chris Watkins: Question Regarding Rosenwald Prior Rezoning
- 02:38:29: Rosenwald Community Center: Motion and Approval of Rezoning
- 02:39:18: Rice Lake Management: Confirming Non-Ad Valorem Capital Assessment
- 02:41:52: Eric Duncan: Reassess East Side of Rice Lake for Fairness
- 02:46:12: Thomas Calhoun: Contingency Reserve and Public Comment Details
- 02:47:23: George Calvie: Lake promises broken and aquatic life changes
- 02:51:14: Leo Nelson: Chemical Deterioration and Lake Inequity Questions
- 02:53:44: Rice Lake Motion and Approval of Capital Assessment
- 02:55:38: Tourism Improvement District (TID) Assessment Resolution
- 02:57:21: John Don: Fixed Assessment Burden on Small Hotels
- 03:01:22: TID Assessment Resolution: Motion and Approval
- 03:01:56: Adopting Amended Building and Construction Code Ordinance
- 03:03:40: Adopting Midyear Reconciliation Countywide Fund Balances
- 03:05:20: County Attorney: Discussing Canvasing Board Selection
- 03:07:11: Local Option Gas Tax Interlocal Agreements, Citizen's Academy
- 03:12:48: Commissioner Delari: Veterans Lunch, Safety Summit, Revision Tip
- 03:14:42: Commissioner Constantine: NACo, Childcare, & Local Event Updates
- 03:18:29: Commissioner Lockheart: Kelly's Ice Cream, America 250 Truck
- 03:24:11: Other local events and final remarks before adjournment


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--------- [music] [music] [music] Semino County and welcome to the BOCC May 12th meeting. Uh as always, we are going to start with our invocation and pledge that will be led by Elder David Ball from the Church of Jesus Christ of

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Latter-day Saints. And before he comes up, you can come up uh pastor, but uh we want to make sure that we give you a sincere note of appreciation for all that you do with seminal heart and their dedication to our community. you facilitating all of that work is

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fabulous on our behalf. So, thank you from the citizens of Semino County and from the board of county commissioners. And with that, if you'd all rise. >> Thank you. They said I could take less than a minute to introduce myself. My wife and I are citizens of Utah.

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>> We're retired and we've been called by our church to serve as missionaries here in Sanford for 18 months. And we've found it utterly delightful to live here. In fact, my wife says that uh because of the beauty and the weather here, she would prefer to stay, but in

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fact, we have 18 grandchildren living in Utah. >> Wow. >> She uh she says that's probably the only thing that'll take her back home. However, if a hurricane passes through this summer, I'll uh she might change her mind. [laughter]

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But we also have 18 to 20 young missionaries 18 uh 18 20 years old that are here as prolighting missionaries. and uh their charge is to uh they they are assigned to work at least four hours a week as community service. So if any

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of you need some young healthy volunteers, you can look us up by the well we're assigned but uh anyway, we'll say our opening prayer now. Our father in heaven, we're deemed grateful the opportunity this day to meet together as a county commissioners

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and county leaders and concerned citizens. And we're indeed grateful and express gratitude this day for the free land that we live in. We're grateful that 250 years ago, wise men were raised up and gave us a free constitutional

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government government that defines we the people as the sovereign. And we're grateful for this wonderful blessing. and we pray that thou may bless our current national [clears throat] leaders that they may lead us in with wisdom and and protection.

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We're especially grateful for those men and women that serve us in the military. We pray at this dangerous time that they may be protected in their service. We're grateful for those that choose to be our state and local leaders here in the county in this county.

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And we pray for them that they may have wisdom and understanding and empathy for the citizens and to serve this growing propul and the challenges that face us as we are provide the necessary services for our community.

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We are particularly grateful for those that serve us particularly and those that are assigned to protect us. We're grateful for the sheriffs, the police officers, the firemen, and the other first responders. We pray for them and their protection

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and particularly in dangerous situation. Bless them and protect them with wisdom and skill and understanding and particularly and most importantly that they may always return home safely to their families.

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We pray for our teachers and our parents who have been who've been given the stewardship to raise our children that we may raise our children to be responsible citizens that someday they may carry on

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the duties of leading us and the given and the blessings that we have that have been given to us. We pray for those in our community that are suffering through health, mental, physical, or financial burdens that the ways and means may come

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to them. They may be lifted up and enjoy the prosperity that we've been blessed with. And again, bless us as we conduct the meeting and the businesses of this county this day that we may act with respect to one another. And although the though we may as a community be of many

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diverse cultures, religions, ethnicities and and different we have many differences. We pray that we all may rise to the level and live to the command of our savior that we may love one another.

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And these blessings we pray for and petition for thine divine help in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. >> Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you so much for your blessings and welcome to Seino County at least for 18 months. So we're going to move on to awards and

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proclamations. Some of them we're going to read fully through from the dis and some of them are going to be passed on the consent agenda. We have folks that are here to take pictures even though they're on the consent agenda. I'm going to give a call out to our EMS team who's here. Uh we we are delighted to have you

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here and we'll be doing pictures with you. The first proclamation is the proclamation for Sergeant Robert Pizuro, United States Army as Seminal County's May Veteran of the Month. And this will be read by Commissioner Her. That's me.

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Um, commissioners, I move the following proclamation of the Seminal [snorts] County Board of County Commissioners recognizing United States Army Sergeant Robert Pizuro for his outstanding service to the United States and Seminal County. Whereas the brave men and women of our army, navy, marines, air force,

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coast guard, and space force demonstrate a resolute spirit and unmatched selflessness, reminding us there are few things more American than giving of ourselves to make a difference in the lives of others. And whereas throughout our country's

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history, generations of service members have answered the call to leave their families, their jobs, and put their futures, and even their lives on the line to valiantly defend our nation. And whereas for many service members, the sacrifice has ended in permanent injury

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or death, yet their spirit remains in the continued preservation of our freedoms and the promise of liberty. And whereas there are more than 30,000 living veterans in Semino County who served our nation in times of peace and war, through their service, they kept

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America strong. And whereas before entering military service, Sergeant Pizuro had already demonstrated a profound sense of duty, disciplined, and selfless commitment to others. principles instilled through his upbringing and reinforced by a distinguished family tradition of

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military service, including his father, brother, and uncles. This proud legacy shaped his character and prepared him to honorably answer the call to serve his country. And whereas drafted in 1967, Sergeant Pizuro completed basic training

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at Fort Gordon, Georgia, and subsequently graduated from Fort Bliss, Texas as a Hawk Missile and launcher mechanic. He was then assigned to Battery, Sixth Battalion, 59th Mobile Missile Battalion in Baba Hassoon,

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Germany, where he played a vital role in maintaining missile defense readiness with professionalism, technical proficiency, and unwavering dedication to duty. And whereas following his discharge from military service in 1968,

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Sergeant Pizuro has continued a lifetime of distinguished service through his leadership in the American Legion, where he is a 14-year member and currently serves as the first vice president of Post 243, as well as the veteran outreach coordinator. In this role, he

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leads sustained efforts to visit veterans in six area nursing homes, ensuring they are honored, supported, and never forgotten. Additionally, Sergeant Pizuro has devoted more than 24 years of volunteer service to the Semino County Sheriff's

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Office as a citizen on patrol and search and rescue coordinator. His commitment to community extends f further through his civic leadership as past president of the Oak Forest Homeowners Association. Probably the most difficult

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assignment of all, I would guess. [laughter] Whereas Sergeant Pizuro has brought great credit and distinction upon himself, the United States of America, the United States Army, and Semino County. Now therefore, be it proclaimed that we, the Board of County

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Commissioners of Semino County, Florida, express our gratitude, admiration, and respect for Sergeant Presuro for his outstanding service to the military and the United States Army. Be it further proclaimed that this proclamation is presented to Sergeant Robert Presuro

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along with our sincere congratulations and recognition as Seminal County's veteran of the month adopted this 12th day of May 2026. >> Second. All those in favor? I hearing none opposed. Motion passes unanimously. Sergeant, if you'd like to say a few

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words, we would be delighted [applause] to have you. [applause] [applause] Thank you. Thank you. Full house commissioner, staff, family, and friends. I'm deeply honored and sincerely grateful to be recognized as seen

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county's May Veteran of the Month. The values instilled in me through my family upbringing, combined with discipline and a sense of duty I gained through military service have shaped the person I am today. Those lessons did not end

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when I left the uniform behind. They continue to guide me in my civilian life, inspiring me to serve community with the same commitment and purpose and integrity. This recogn this recognition is not just a reflection of my journey,

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but of the many individuals who helped, supported, mentored, and stood by me along the way, especially my wife Janice. I share this honor with them and all my colleagues. Thank you. >> Thank you, sir. [applause] Thank you for

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your service and welcome home. Our next proclamation proclaiming May 25th, 2026 as Memorial Day in Semino County will be read by Commissioner Delari. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Memorial Day, uh

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it's not just a day, it's not just a day of remembrance. It's a day of honoring those who have represented us and fought the fight and paid the ultimate price. Many times people think about Memorial Day at times

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as a community events, family gatherings, uh the start of a season of summer or holiday, but it's much more than that. As we honored our veteran of the month

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here today, today it goes a lot deeper than that. It's a debt of respect that can never really be repaid. Uh, every one of us have someone to thank that have served in the military

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on different levels. Uh, all of us have individuals that have somehow touched us, touched our country, and paid the ultimate price. Uh it's truly amazing when you really start thinking about it. So this proclamation that I've been given to

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read only scratches the surface of the remembrance of those individuals. So it's my great honor to read this proclamation of the seminal county board of county commissioners affirming May 25th, 2026 as Memorial Day here in

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Semino County. And whereas on Memorial Day, we pay a solemn tribute to those brave Americans who served under the stars and stripes and laid down their lives to defend our freedom. And whereas more than a century,

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this holiday has been known as Decoration Day and originally honored those lost their lives in fighting the Civil War. And whereas following Americans entering into World War I, Memorial Day

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was involved with decorate commemorating American military personnels who died in all wars including World War II, Vietnam War, the Korean War, and the wars of Iraq and Afghanistan.

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And whereas in 1915 after spotting a cluster of poppies, a brigade sergeant, brigade surgeon was inspired to write the poem in Flanders in Flanders field giving a voice to service members who had died in

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battle and laid buried beneath the poppy covered ground. The poem initiated a movement to make poppies a symbol to tribute all those who died in wars and remain as an emblem of

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remembrance to this day. And whereas Congress in a joint resolution approved May 11th, 1950 providing Memorial Day was set aside as a day of prayer for permanent peace and respect.

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President Truman was issued a proclamation calling upon the people of the United States to observe each Memorial Day in a manner in this manner. And whereas on Monday,

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May 25th will mark the 158th anniversary of Memorial Day. And whereas more than 1.2 2 million Americans service members have died in conflict and more than 8,000 were from Florida and over a 100 were

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residents of Semino County with two Medal of Honor recipients. And whereas today over 1.3 million Americans serve in active duty, 66,000 of whom were from Florida while nearly 750,000

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Americans served in reserves in the National Guard. And whereas on Memorial Day and every day, the citizens of Semino County must remember the service men and women who sacrificed their lives to ensure our own. Now therefore, we proclaim that the board of Seminal

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County Commissioners do hereby proclaim and recognize May 25th, 2026 as Memorial Day. Be it further proclaimed that the border of county commissioners request that at 3 p.m. on Memorial Day, Summit County residents voluntarily observe in

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their own way a moment of remembrance and respect and pause from whatever they're doing in honor of those heroes and their valor. Adopted this 12th day of May, 2026. Second. >> Motion a second. All those in favor?

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Hearing none [snorts] opposed? Passes unanimously. Thank you, Commissioner Delorey. The next proclamation will be read by Commissioner Zimbau and it's proclaiming May 3rd through 9th, 2026 as National Travel and Tourism Week in Semino County. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. It's with my

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great pleasure to enter this proclamation of the Semino County Board of County Commissioners, proclaiming May 3 through 9, 2026 as National Travel and Tourism Week in Semino County, Florida. Whereas the travel and tourism industry plays a vital role in strengthening

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Semino Countyy's economy, generating revenue, creating employment opportunities, and enhancing the overall quality of life for residents and visitors alike. And whereas tourism generated over 4.3 billion in economic impact for Semino County and supports

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approximately 27,100 jobs for our local residents in 2024. And whereas Semino County has emerged as a premier destination for sports tourism, welcoming athletes, teams, and spectators for tournaments, training, and events that energize the local

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economy and showcase the region's top tier facilities and hospitality. And whereas the county's abundant natural beauty, including its scenic rivers, lush parks, and protected wildlife areas, continues to draw nature enthusiasts, outdoor adventures, and

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ecoourrists, reinforcing Semino County's reputation as Florida's natural choice. And whereas tourism in Sonol County provided more than $334 million in state and local taxes in 2024, which resulted

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in nearly $1,800 annual tax savings for each family household. Whereas in 2025, Semino County established the state's first countywide tourism improvement district, TID, as a public private partnership

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that was designed to create and dedicate funding mechanism that will enhance our regional sports tourism infrastructure and ensure that Semino County remains highly competitive and attracting future sporting events to our community. Whereas success of the T was built on

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strong collaboration between Semino County leaders, our sports tourism partners and our local hotel years that will drive economic growth, support tourism development and strengthen our community for years to come. And whereas the continued partnerships between CFHLA,

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local businesses, government leaders, community stakeholders remains critical to fostering a thriving tourism economy and ensuring Semino County remains a warm, inviting place for visitors year round. Whereas the Central Florida Hotel and Lodging Association is the largest

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regional hospitality association in the United States, representing more than 148,000 hotel rooms throughout the Central Florida region alone, as well as nearly 500 supplier organizations that do business with hospitality and tourism industries. And whereas National Travel

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and Tourism Week offers a meaningful opportunity in 2026 to honor the accomplishments of Semino Countyy's travel and tourism community, highlight the continued efforts of CH CFHLA and its partners, and reaffirm our dedication to growing the county's

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presence as a must visit destination. Now therefore be it proclaimed that we the board of county commissioners of Semino County, Florida do hereby proclaim May 3 through 9, 2026 is National Travel and Tourism Week in Semino County, Florida and encourage our

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residents to support workforce development in the hospitality and tourism industries and participate in local initiatives highlighting travel importance to our communities, economic growth, and the quality of life here in Semino County. Adopted this 12th day, May 2026.

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>> Second. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor. >> Hearing none opposed passes unanimously. Thank you. >> I think uh this is what we may have been waiting for by the rattles of the medals in the audience. The next one will be read by

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Commissioner Lockhart. It's a resolution recognizing the 2026 Lake Mary High School cheerleading team as the Florida High School Athletic Association state champions. >> Yes. >> Awesome. I'm glad to have our Lake Mary Rams in the house today. Thank you for

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being here. Commissioners, I'd like to move the following uh resolution of the Semino County Board of County Commissioners recognizing the 2526 Lake Mary High School cheerleading team as state champions. Whereas, Seminal Count County proudly recognizes the outstanding achievements of its student

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athletes and the positive representation they bring to our community through excellence and competition. And whereas the Lake Mary High School Rams cheerleading team achieved a historic milestone by winning the Florida High School Athletic Association Class 2A competitive cheerleading state

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championship in 2026. And whereas the Rams have set an FHSAA record by winning 10 consecutive state competitive cheerleading championships from 2017 to 26. A milestone that has never been accomplished in the history

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of competitive cheerleading in the state of Florida. And whereas the team's success reflects the leadership of former head coach Paige Black and current head coach Victoria Jones, whose commitment to excellence, character development, and community pride has played a pivotal role in the program's

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historic achievement. And whereas the Lake Mary High School cheerleading team overcame adversity and demonstrated resilience, determination, and composure under pressure, exemplifying the highest ideals of sportsmanship and competitive spirit. And whereas the championship

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reflects the dedication of the coaching staff, student athletes, their families, school administrators, and supporters whose collective efforts contributed to this remarkable season. And whereas this achievement has brought significant recognition to Semino County and serves

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as an inspiration to youth throughout the community to pursue excellence. Now therefore, be it resolved that we, the board of county commissioners of Semino County, Florida, do hereby congratulate the Lake Mary High School cheerleading team for winning the 2526 FHSAA Class 2A

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state championship and extends its sincere congratulations to the cheerleaders, coaches, families, and supporters for this historic accomplishment. Adopted this 12th day of May, 2026. >> Second. >> Have a motion and a second. All those in favor? I

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>> hearing none opposed. It passes unanimously. [applause] [applause] And now, Commissioner Lockheart and I will do our cheer for you. [applause] [applause] Coach, would you like to say a word? While while Coach Black is coming

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forward, I think co Yeah. Well, Coach Black is coming forward. I will tell you, my daughter, who is now almost 30, was um just blessed to have Coach Black as her coach in um middle school. And so, your time here has been um

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incredibly rewarding and valuable to our kids for for many, many years. So, we appreciate you. Thank you. >> She's going to love that you told her age. >> She's she's a young 30. [laughter] And I wanted to say, yes, I've had the privilege to coach um the Lake Mary High School cheer team for the last 12 years.

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And um I wanted to say on behalf of the coaches, um the the cheerleaders, the parents in the school, thank you for this honor, this um uh rec recognition today. I really appreciate it. Um I think um as she just said pretty much everything about winning this state

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champion, that this is definitely history being made. Um winning 10 straight years in a row. Um, that's 10 years of excellence. And I think a lot of people, for those of you that don't know that much about cheerleading, a lot of people say, "Oh, it's just cheerleading." Um, they also say, "Oh,

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late Mary, they've done it year after year. They're just going to continue to do it." But, um, cheerleading is truly a sport and these girls are true athletes and they have to dedicate, have dedication, hard work. They they put so much into this, and the pressure every

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single year just builds um because you're expected to win now. And so I just want to say that they stepped up and did the job that they needed to do. Um, for those of you don't again don't know that much about cheerleading, it's not like football game where you're out there for like two hours. It's a one

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time one chance 2 minute 30 second routine that you have to hit perfectly to win. And that's just a lot of pressure on these girls. And this year this team has just done amazing to work hard, sacrifice in order to step up and win. But not only that, like I like you

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were saying earlier, Amy, is that I'm not only proud of these girls as champions on the mat, but these are amazing young ladies just in general. Um their teamwork, their role models, most of them are involved in National Honor Society at the school and um Spanish Honor Society, their their academic

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excellence. So they definitely um represent Lake Mary well. So I'm super proud of them and I definitely believe that they're never going to be forgot forgotten for this um historic um day and year. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank [applause] you for your leadership.

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>> All right. We have one more resolution honoring the retirement of UCF senior associate vice president for government and community relations, Mr. Fred Kittinger. And this will be read by Commissioner Constantine. >> Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Um, I

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would be remiss to say to the ladies of Lake B, Lake Mary, Lake Mary, >> you need to stop while you're ahead. Stop. Stop. >> That UCF's uh cheerleading squad has are in the top five every single year. So, I

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hope some of you are going there. >> All right, there we go. Thank you very much. And also thank you very much for the uh pineapples from uh you know from the guys over at the tourism. Thank you very much. Um I am very honored to to

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make a motion to on this resolution because this has been a friend of mine for over 40 years. And um sit down and relax everybody. I hope you have a cup of coffee or whatever because we had to cut this resolution down. It didn't fit on one page. So, it's a long

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one, but it's worthy of everything that um is said in it. And so, I will move the resolution to the SE County Board of County Commissioners recognizing the retirement of Fred Kittener. Whereas a proud alumnest of the

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University of Central Florida, class of 80, Fred earned a bachelor's of arts with honors and later a master's of public administration from Florida State University, reflecting his long lifelong commitment to learning and leadership.

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And whereas Fred Kittener has dedicated more than four decades to public affairs, higher education, civil engagement, serving as a steadfast advocate for collaboration among government, community organizations, and

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the private sector. And whereas Fred served as the chief of staff for the Orlando mayor Glenda Hood, providing eight years of exemplary leadership in municipal government and later held roles as vice president for government affairs and executive director of the

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Small Business Chamber for Greater Orlando Chamber of Commerce after beginning his public service career as a legislative aid to state Senator George Stewart Jr. >> [clears throat] >> And whereas in 203

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he was approached by senior vice president Dan Holenbeck and board of trustees charter member Patrick Christensen regarding an opportunity at the University of Central Florida working with local governments. An opportunity that led to his long and

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impactful tenure at the university. And whereas throughout his career at UCF, Fred strengthened partnerships across Orange County, the city of Orlando, Seino County, and the broader Central Florida region, advancing collaboration

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among the university, local governments, public agencies, and community stakeholders to support economic development, workforce pipelines, research initiatives, and regional and and regional innovation. and played a vital role in advancing major

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institutional milestones, including the College of Medicine, the Florida Interactive Entertainment Academy, the UCF Downtown expansion of the business incubator program, and key infrastructure investments. And whereas Fred demonstrated a deep

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commitment to student success through the UCF Legislative Scholars Program, which he helped establish and guide alongside of Dan Holenbeck and Allison Schultz, creating an immersive experience in which students gained firsthand exposure to the legislative

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process in Tallahassee. And since its inception in 2005, more than tw two 320 students have participated. And whereas he f further supported student achievement through his service as an

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adjunct instructor at the University of Central Florida's School of Public Administration and together with his wife of 43 years established the Fred and Sandra Kittinger Scholarship Fund in 2020 to support graduate students in

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public administration. And whereas his civic leadership extends across Central Florida through service on numerous boards and organizations including Junior Achievement of Central Florida, Orange County Research and Development Authority, Orlando After

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School Allstars, and past leadership roles in Tiger Bay of Central Florida and the Coalition for the Homeless and the University's Alumni Association. And whereas in April 22nd, 2026, Fred

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concluded nearly 23 years of service to the University of Central Florida as senior associate vice president for government and community relations and director of state and local government, marketing the ma marking the culmination

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of an distinguished career. And whereas he is supported by his devoted family, including his wife Sandre B. Kittener, their daughter Alisa, and granddaughter Paisley, who bring him great joy and pride. Now therefore, be it resolved, we the Semino County Board of County

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Commissioners hereby recognize and honor Fred Kittinger for his exceptional career and service, leadership, and dedication to the University of Central Florida and the Central Florida community, and that his legacy of collaboration, mentorship, and institutional advancement will continue

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to be strengthened in the region for generations to come. Second. >> We have a motion and a second. All those in favor? >> I >> hearing none opposed. It passes unanimously. [applause] [applause] >> Mr. Kittinger, would you like to have a word?

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>> Thank you so much, Madam Chairman. Good morning, Commissioners Lockhart, Delari, Commissioner Zimbau, and of course the original Mr. UCF Lee Constantine. Thanks, Commissioner Constantine. If the good Lord wants to call me home today, I think we just had the eulogy read, so it's probably as good time as [laughter] as any. But Madam Chair, just 15 seconds

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of personal privilege, especially while we have the Lake Mary state champions here. Uh we're also lucky to have in the room some coaching loyalty that comes out of Lake Mary, probably the best known coach in the state of Florida and definitely well known to Lake Mary. That's their former soccer coach, state

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champion, Larry Mccoral. My cousin is here today. LARRY, [applause] [applause] >> I'll probably be taken off the Christmas card list for that. Um, commissioners, [snorts] madam chair, on the way over here today when I was crossing the bridge on the 417 across Lake Jessup, it

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reminded me of all the times I've come up here to Similar County meet with you all, your predecessors and your staff about so many different projects and partnerships. And just for the audience, I want them to realize how closely intertwined UCF and Simol County are together.

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The incubator system that was talked on earlier is recognized as the best in the state and best in the nation. One of the shining jewels in that crown is the Simol County incubator and a soft landing program. One of the best that you'll find in Central Florida. One of the best you'll find in the country.

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We've also had a long-term partnership with the medical school. A lot of folks don't realize Simil County was one of the first endorsers and funders of the UCF College of Medicine because you you realized what it meant to growing that economic sector of healthcare and life sciences.

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Just recently when it comes to economic development, you all recognize the role that modeling, simulation, training takes place here in Central Florida. We have the nation's largest cluster with the envy of so many other communities, but you recognize the importance that it plays here in Central Florida. Not too long ago, you'll help support the

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creation and launching of Legacy Point, and now we're working with your staff as we go through the next phase of growth for Legacy Points. And when it comes to our our students, you are one of the biggest supporters of our emergency management students internships. Every year there are lots of our students,

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undergraduate and graduate uh students that come to your MA emergency management program here in Simol County which is one of the best one in the state. It I think is a large contributor to the fact that our graduate program in emergency management is ranked number one in the nation. My point being these

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partnerships are so important to UCF and I believe to Sim County. One of my former bosses Jacob Stor said we don't do collaborations because they're easy. We do them because they make us better. And I'm convinced those collaborations, those projects, those partnerships between Simol County and UCF have made

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both UCF and Simol County better. I'm honored to be here today. I'm humbled by the proclamation. I think I should have turned the table. The proclamation should have been given to you all for your partnerships with UCF. But I so greatly appreciate the chance to be here today. And lastly, I want to recognize your tremendous staff. 44 years of work,

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and I've worked with a lot of staffs around the state, state level, local, cities, counties, etc. You all have one of the very, very best. I've known for years and worked with the years with Darren Gray, with Tisha Trisha Johnson, with Kate Lour both here and in Orange County, and of course with Gee, who has

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no last name because he's like Sher Madonna, just just G. [laughter] But your staff of public administrators and professionals, they are rock solid. And I hope your constituents appreciate just what a strong team you all built here. Again, thank you. I wish you both individually as well as collectively the

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best as you continue to lead Civil County and Central Florida. Thank you very much. >> Thank you, sir. Thank you for your service. [applause] Commissioners, will you meet me down on the floor for pictures? >> [music] [music] >> Here [music]

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[music] [music] >> Heat. Heat. Oh, hey. Congratulations. [music] All right, gentlemen, if you want to take five minutes. >> Madam Chair, if I may for a moment, uh I

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don't know if Fred Kitten is still in the room. Fred, you still back there somewhere in the hallway? >> He's saying goodbye to everybody. >> I just want to add something. Uh you know through the years so many things have happened throughout central Florida

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no matter what county you were part of either Orange Oyola Lake Seol Valuchia even Bvard and there's been one voice many voices but there's one voice many times that people don't hear but is front and

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center because she doesn't want the limelight. It's that quiet voice that's always getting something done. And that's Fred Kittinger. I met Fred I met Fred when he was with Glenda Hood number of years ago. Sometimes it feels

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just like just a moment. And one thing that always impressed me about Fred Kittinger was he was always promoting other people around him. He was always promoting the issue and not himself. And Fred, I'm going to tell you, it went

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very noticed. and we cannot thank you enough for all the wonderful things that you've done for this county and this region. You are truly truly a legend that will not be forgotten. And this is just a small

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thank you. We cannot even begin to say how much thank you because your fingerprint and your footsteps are on so many different places that I can remember when I was first starting out in the 90s. You were the one that actually helped me and helped make me understand what economic development was

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about, what partnership was about, what UCF, I mean it just goes on and on and on and on. I cannot thank you enough for your leadership, your guidance, and your friendship. Thank you. >> Thank you. Have a WONDERFUL DAY. [applause] ALL

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RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS. UH, COMMISSIONER Lockhart stepped out for a minute. We're going to move to additions, deletions, and modifications. I'll go to the county manager first. >> Thank you, Madam Chairman, commissioners. Uh, just two uh correct changes to the consent agenda. Um, item

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number seven under the county manager consent agenda. I'd like to move that one at the interlocal agreements with the municipalities. move that under my report this afternoon. As you all know, there were a couple meetings last night and just need to update a couple of agreements. So, I'll bring those back this afternoon. And then item 12, um, I

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would like to pull and I'll be bringing that one back to the board. And other than that, no other changes. Thank you. >> Commissioner Lockhart had no nothing to pull. Commissioners, is there anything to pull? >> I have nothing. No, ma'am. >> With that, I'll entertain a motion.

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Madam Chair, no public comment. >> Public comment. >> No public comment. >> No public comment. Thank you. >> Madam chair, I'm prepared to make a motion. >> Please do. >> I move the approval of consent agenda

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for items number 6 8 through 11, 13- 26. >> Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Any discussion? All those in favor? I >> opposed. Hearing none, the motion passes

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unanimously. >> That takes us to the uh regular agenda. The first up is Chief Kinley with the fire and capital improvement plan. >> And real quick, uh Madam Chairman, commissioners, as Chief Kinley is getting prepared for his presentation,

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normally we would do this type of presentation during our budget work sessions. Um, however, since this is going to be uh pretty lengthy, we thought we would save some some time and do it early for the commission and get your feedback on our our plan. >> Fabulous. Take it away, Chief.

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>> So, good morning. Uh, for the record, Matt Kennley, fire chief, Siml County Fire Department, and we're here to talk about our 5-year capital improvement plan uh within the fire department. Uh, the purpose of this is to provide an update on SCFD's 5-year capital improvement plan for construction. uh

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demonstrate the return on a prior millage investment uh present projects based on demand and cost escalation and seek board approval of the CIP. You'll see the agenda will go through the background the 10 past 10 years of uh return on your investment call load

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trending capital improvement plan for construction and um future capital improvements. So the background back in 2017 uh the board uh helped out the fire department and the citizens uh by raising the millillage uh

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to invest in our infrastructure and our fleet. Uh at the time uh coming out of a downturn uh our facilities were in disrepair uh and we were having challenges with our fleet and their reliability.

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In that nearly 10 years, the citizens return on investment uh has shown three new fire stations constructed um over 32 facility major facility upgrades and projects for modernization fleet expansion to meet the service demand along with achieving an ISO1 rating.

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Result being faster response times, improved reliability and enhanced public safety. Just to hit some of the highlights of the major projects, we've had eight stations with window replacements upgraded to hurricane rated windows. Uh obviously our firefighters are in those stations during hurricanes.

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Uh nine bathroom upgrades. Our makeup of our firefighters has changed over time and having the communal bathrooms just no longer is a appropriate way of doing business. Uh six station six kitchen renovations, three HVAC system upgrades,

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two roof replacements, two floor and interior improvements, um four stations with driveway replacements, and we continue to do that. Uh we've added two aerial style trucks in quint uh to our fleet that helps get the ladder service on scene in the appropriate time for ISO

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ratings. We've added another tower truck aerial platform, an airboat, two engines for 39 and 29, two rescues for 39 and 29. Uh and we've rotated through our entire fleet. We have we have a very very reliable fleet. [clears throat]

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So, I want to go through our construction over the since 2017. Um, as we're going through this, I want you to pay particular attention to the construction costs and the build times. Station 29, which was built in November

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of 2017 in the James Town Jamestown Alma area, uh, took 13 months of build time, $3.6 million in cost. Uh, the return on investment is a 35% improvement in response times in that area. It was definitely a hole within the county.

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We have station 11 in the Altoont area. This was a partnership with the city of Altoont. They provided us $2 million in the land. It was the old post office property to be able to move the station over there. Uh, one of the biggest challenges we had

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with that station is it being twotory is in their administrative complex. Um, and it worked. Uh it just it took a long time to get to the fire trucks. This is one of the few stations we still had with poles um and very long poles in in some areas coming out of the bunk room. It just took a long time to get to the

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trucks. What we've seen there um a build time of 3 years and 10 months, total cost of $5.3 million. As you can see, this is starting to creep up. And then 18% improvement in turnout times. Uh and a turnout time being from the time they

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get the call to the time that the truck is rolling. The third station, uh it's station 39 out in the Piola area. Uh build time of two years and 3 months. Total cost almost $11 million. Uh improved coverage

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in that area and response times. We've experienced a 22% improvement in the response times. Um that station added a tower truck, an engine, a rescue, uh and soon to be traffic attenuator, the blocking vehicle that was approved in this year's budget. We should be, we've

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received delivery of that. We're just outfitting it with all the technology that will help to keep our firefighters safe on the roadways. I know in my 25 years, uh, the closest I've ever come to injury, um, the scarest I've ever been as a company officer that my crew was

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hurt was on the roadways. Uh, fires, we do, we train for that all the time. Uh, roadways, we cannot control the public uh, being safe. our equipment. So cost of trucks uh across the board

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has nearly doubled or more. Uh back in 2018 were just under $600,000 for a truck. Now we're almost at 1.2 million. Uh that's just the cost of the truck. That doesn't include the equipment. [snorts] This continues to escalate. Um as you

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know, we did in the past uh order trucks early when we were experiencing three and 4% increases every two to three months. Uh we've saved a total of nearly $2 million in ordering trucks early. Uh that has stabilized. Uh we're now experiencing across all of them about a

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3 to 4% increase every year which is normal. That's what we've experienced in the past, but obviously it's a 3 4% off of a much bigger number. U rescues an 80% increase. Uh we will experience with our rescues. Uh so back

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in 2017 17 uh when I was the EMS chief we switched to a different style of truck the brawn truck. Uh that box that you see where the patient compartment is at is all aluminum welded together. It's one piece. Uh we'll experience a 20%

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savings. Uh we're looking at fiscal year 28 with every rescue that we get from then on because we're able to refurb. we can pull that box off of the back of that truck, rechassee it, um not only saving that 20% which is about 80 to $90,000,

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uh but also getting it back much quicker. Uh we're still at 2-year uh build times on these rescues that we could get it back in 6 to 8 months. So very we're very much looking forward to that. um our tower trucks, which is not something we buy all the time. About

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every 3 to four years, uh we we look at replacing one instead of every year. It it's doubled and and then some. It just especially unit that we need to have. Uh but those costs don't stop. So, what did all this get us? Um outside

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of a great service um and great response times, we've achieved uh every accolade that you possibly can in the fire service and in reality the emergency medical service. [snorts] One of the goals initially was ISO1 and we have

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achieved that. Uh that means to the citizen to the businesses in Semino County potential of reduced insurance rates. Uh I know after we received an ISO1, I had one of our local citizens that comes in on a regular basis who told the story and it made my heart feel good cuz I was afraid he's going to kill

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me. Uh that he this is ISO1 and it doesn't mean anything. And then he called his insurance company and they said he was going to get a reduction and he couldn't have been more thrilled. Uh I think his comment was the first time he's seen government do what they actually said they were going to do. [laughter] So I I was I was very happy.

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>> He's not here right now, but that was Billy. >> No, he's not back there. >> [laughter] >> So, that was great. Um, one of our first accreditations that we got was Cass and that's on the ambulance side of the business. And I'd like to take the just a moment to announce uh that we have

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been here recently uh told that we have been reacredited for the fifth time uh with Cass with a perfect score. >> [applause] >> That's a testament to the commitment that this board, the county manager's office, and our crews have in this

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organization. Uh without all that working together, we just can't achieve these things. Uh we've also, and I call this getting the master's degree, uh the CFAI accreditation. Uh that's the fire accreditation. Uh one of the most difficult ones to get. Uh it's all about

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continuous improvement. uh and we continue to do that. And outside of the reacreditation of Cass, most recently our comm center received ACE accreditation. So Chat GPT verified. Um we are the only

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fire department in the country that has all of those accreditation. And if you take ACE out of it, we're one of seven that have the other three. >> Wow. >> That's that's a big deal. Um a and of those seven, there's only one other

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county in there of our size. It's it's a very difficult thing to do and it's a testament again to the men and women in our department and all the great things that they do. [snorts] So on with the agenda, call load and trending. Obviously, you know, response

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times are one of our major drivers. Looking at the past four years, we've had a stabilization of our call load. Um, you see, we're right around 50,000 calls the last four years. Uh, our population has not stopped coming in.

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And we've taken some time to verify by data uh and also hypothesize of why this may be. It's interesting that you look at 2022 as the year that it that it started to level off. That's also the same year

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that we instituted community parame medicine from board direction. Uh that has been there's very few things I've seen in the fire service that are universally loved. Uh and there's not anybody down to the ground to the troops that have anything negative to say. They

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love this program. We love this program. The citizens love this program. What it has done is virtually, if not completely, eliminate the high utilizers of the 911 system. Our crews identify uh

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who they think needs assistance beyond just us responding to their house. uh and our community paramedic crews go out there and connect them to all the phenomenal services that are within Semino County to get them the the the assistance that they need often which is

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not 911 or an ER that has completely stopped our high utilizers. Uh you get a couple of calls um they get referred and we stop that from happening any longer and improve the quality of life for that citizen.

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Other things that we again can use data. Uh if you look over this span of time, we've experienced a 500 call decrease in motor vehicle accidents. Uh we hypothesize of why that may be. Uh we have connected vehicle technology. We have cars now that yell at you when

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you're about to you're getting too close to somebody. I hate my wife's car. Um and keep you within your lane. Uh we have equipment within the trucks through a partnership with DOT, a multi-million dollar project utilizing the HA system that warns people when they're approaching an auto accident that we're

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at or that we're approaching behind them. All of these different things contribute to that call load stabilizing. You start adding in the ER in every corner, tellaalth, all these different ways that people can access services

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without calling 911. It's more convenient. in the long run, it's cheaper. Uh they're utilizing that you sprinkle in a little prevention and community outreach. And that's why we believe that our call load has stabilized.

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So now I'm going to go into our capital improvement for the next five years. This is a focus on needs, not once. Um we had a much more aggressive capital improvement plan over the years, uh looking at call load increasing 3 7,000

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calls a year. that just hasn't happened. Uh so we're resetting to go with just what we need while obviously keeping the the service that we provide at the forefront. One of the biggest changes as you saw we go we as we went through the other

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slides of our our accomplishments uh you saw those build times continuing to increase. Um the county has chosen to do a different way of doing construction and the construction manager at risk. uh rather than hard bids, we we uh get a relationship with the contractor with

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the hopes that we'll have uh projects on time, better cost controls. Uh this all because we're allowing early contractor involvement. So, our first one, which we were all at the other day, uh Station 25 in Castleberry, uh we've already had the

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groundbreaking on that. uh originally built in 1975. Uh $13.9 million estimated cost, estimated completion of April 2027. Partnership with the city of Castlebury who we have the interlocal agreement we that we took over fire services for

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them. They've donated the land uh which is next to their new police headquarters. Uh and we're putting the new fire station there. Um anybody who knows this fire station right at the end of the fly over coming on to Red Bug, it's an awful spot. Um old building It

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it it's the crew is overly excited about the the the prospects of moving into their new building. The next project is the fire training center living quarters. This is a 2,2500 square foot uh replacement structure. If

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you remember um few years ago, we had a double wide trailer that was out here. Um it has since uh was such disrepair. uh we we had mold, there was rats and we has never been replaced. So we need a living quarters out there. We have a lot

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of other infrastructure. We have tens of millions of dollars of apparatus and equipment out there. So one of the questions that I get asked when you start talking to 2,2500t structure at 2 million plus is why is this different than residential construction?

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So there's a lot of reasons. Um the one key term is an essential building. You have an essential building versus res residential construction. When you're looking at versus residential construction has to withstand through the building code 140

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mph winds. That's right about the point where we stop running calls because of the wind speeds have gotten so high. A commercial structure has to withstand 170 mph winds. That 30 mph is significant. Um it requires uh more

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infrastructure as far as building materials, building supplies, engineering, um, all of which cost more and more money. Also, with this particular project, we're having to get engage with St. John's River permitting. Again,

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we're early in on this. We're not even quite to 30% plans. So, a lot of this is estimations of worst case scenarios. I just had a meeting here this week that we're already, okay, here's $200,000 we can knock off. Here's another 150. But there's a lot of infrastructure

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that's involved with this. Uh we may need to again anticipating may not have to may need to underground exfiltration for this particular site. The spot where it is at is uh gravel which under the previous building codes was not was was

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considered a pvious surface. Now it's not. >> So when we put that building there we have to worry about storm water. Residential doesn't have to deal with storm water. We have to consider the storm water. when it comes to contractors. So, the contractors aren't the same. Uh when you

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have residential construction versus this type of construction, uh it's not the same contractors. The costing is different. The insurance requirements are different. Just working with the county, the process, paperwork, uh billing is all different. It it it adds

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time, it adds manpower, it it just it adds personnel services. And that's before we even get to design. Already talked about all the it's a much stronger building um HVAC system in your residential home. You have basically the

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tubing that goes in that you're able to move around. In a building like this, it has to be the the more rigid with different types of filtration. All of this drives the cost to be more. That's before design. That's a that's

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after design because design now takes on all of those extras and even coming to a point where we can start to build the structure. On to my favorite one. Station 23 off how branch is our oldest station. Um

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it's older than I am. Um if you look I wish Mr. Horvath was here. Uh this was the the station when Mr. Horvath called says use fire in the back in time. This was his volunteer fire station, the Halber district. Um if you look where the apparatus or parked, that first

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block part, that was the original station. Everything else we've added on. Um we've just recently got to a point with our firetruck design that we don't have to buy a special fire truck specifically for this station because the depth of the bay is so was so short.

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We've for decades had to buy a special truck that had a shorter wheelbase. Uh we we've changed our design so we don't have to do that anymore. Um it floods. Uh it's got the bathroom problem. Uh it just doesn't meet the makeup for our workforce. So you see the wooded lot

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which is directly across the street. Um we already have that. Uh we've had kickoff of design of that station. Um, we're hoping to be able to leverage uh bringing it right off of how branch so that we can take advantage of the mast arm that is already there. That could

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say that's has potential to save us a half a million dollars uh in the construction of it. Uh but we're again early in on that process. Station 36 in Heathrow, Lake Mary Boulevard, Markhamm Woods Road, originally built in 1985. Uh small

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station. Uh you see the unique design uh that was in collaboration with the citizens of Heathrow uh uh and that's why it looks the way that it does. Um at was having a very interesting conversation with Chief Kaiser the other day who oversaw uh the building of this station and he just reminded me that

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this was designed to add a third bay which we want to do. Uh we also need to expand the living quarters to uh accommodate uh not only the personnel that are there today uh but personnel going into the future. Uh this one we are asking from what we currently have

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loaded into the budget to add a million dollars uh to the the the cost of renovating that. Next station is station 24 in Winter Springs. Um as you know we have an interlocal agreement with merged with the city of Winter Springs Fire Department uh built in 1975.

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Uh we're looking to also add a million dollars to what's currently locked and loaded for this station. We call this one the house of doors. Um it's awful. It's so spread out. Uh this not only was their fire department their but it was

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also their administrative building. So going out to if you're looking at it to the right that was all administrative offices and there's doors absolutely everywhere. Uh we need to gut it and reconfigure it to help not only with uh the living conditions but also getting them closer to the bay for their for

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their turnout times. Last, we're looking at station 42 out in Geneva. This is currently in the current CIP as a renovation. Uh we've taken a long hard look at this, engaged with

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multiple um contractors and designers trying to figure out if we can expand this to our need on the current site. And the answer is no. Um it's a very tight site. Um there's a giant retention in the back that we just we we we can't

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make smaller. Uh this needs to be a rebuild a rebuild and relocate. This is what I call a specialty station that's out in the woods. Uh this is a base of operations for everything that happens out in the rural area when we

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have hurricanes, flooding, brush fires. This is where everybody goes. Uh currently at that station we have an engine, a rescue, a tanker, a woods truck, an airboat, and this is often where our one of our high water vehicles

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gets uh gets deployed, which ends up just pulling in on the side of on the side of the building. Doesn't matter what the weather is. With all that equipment comes personnel. They're busting at the seams. Um, this is something that we need, we're proposing to do a relocate, rebuild rather than

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just renovate. Uh, there's multiple properties that are available in the area. Uh, which we we're going we're looking into. Um, just waiting for after this meeting to to pull any triggers on those discussions. Uh, we're talking a little under $10 million to add to that

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budget. So, five-year plan at a glance. Uh we're looking at six projects, uh nearly $60 million, uh two [snorts] station renovates, uh along with relocates of three stations, plus the fire training center, um and a fleet investment of

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just under $30 million. So at this point, that's what we're do. That's what we're proposing to do in 5 years. Now, looking into the future, and there is no timeline on any of this. This is just things that we anticipate as a need as our call load rises if and

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when that it does. Land being a priority. We got to get land. So the first station, station 10 out in the Altoont area you see out in the 434 Matland Boulevard corridor. Uh there

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used to be a station 10 out there back with the merger with Alamont. Uh there was a there was a double wide trailer. It was a rescue only. um that was in our local that it would go away after 2 years and it did. Um since then we all know the development that has gone out there.

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Station 13, what you see to the west is the current trucks that respond into that area and they can get into some of that area um in a reasonable amount of time. But it's not even just about that first call, it's about the second call because once they go in there, it is

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completely barren on that side of the county. It takes a long time for station 16 or 12 to respond into that area. We're often moving trucks up which we're splitting up resources. Uh this is a need, this would be the priority need in the future um as our call load rises.

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Station 28 in Winter Springs. Um we currently have land at Tuscilla and 434. Again, we all know the the development that's going on around there. You drill down into Winter Springs. Uh the call load has stabilized just like everywhere else. Uh but as more people move into

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the county uh again we see that as a need going into the future. Again we already own that land. Station 19 uninccorporated in the Longwood area at Lake Emma and Longwood Hills. Uh we currently own land there.

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It's a small piece of property. It would not do our prototype three bay station. We'd have to do something different. Uh again looking at call load, watching the need. We're not quite there yet. Station 18 in the rolling hills area uh where our uh new park is going to be and

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that infrastructure building. We're anticipating that uh with that improved infrastructure that many of those homes are going to be expanded and you're going to see newer families moving into that area which brings more people which

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brings call load. We do need land Station 43 in Chiliota. Um the other side of the other part of our rural fire stations uh on a small piece of property, small station, engine,

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rescue, tanker, wood truck, UTV, they're all currently there. Um we are at we are at the breaking point. Uh we start adding any additional resources there. Uh we definitely need to expand. uh again watching the call load in the area uh dependent upon just everything all

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the development that's happening out there and when that happens station 22 in Fern Park. So if you remember this was on a previous CIP is a much higher need. Um our intention was to replace and put a

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tower truck there for all the development that was looking like it was going to happen around there. And not that it's not going to, but with the movement of station 25, which has a tower truck, um, and the improved road network that's happened

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through there, specifically on Oxford Road, station 25 can get in there fairly quickly for a tower truck, um, not as a primary unit. So, what we proposed and what was approved is that station 25 in 2028, we will put an engine into service

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there. Uh we can then take that tower, which is really operating as a quint right now from the merger. It's not a quint, it's a tower. Um it can do what it's designed to do, which is to be a tower and the fire truck can be a fire truck. And that tower will then be available to be able to respond into that area. That keeps us from having to

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uh build a whole new fire station anytime soon. Uh lastly is station 30 out in the Polola. uh the the the the northeast part or northwest part of the county um out Yankee Lake and beyond. Uh again, I

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know in my career when I went out to 34 was my first station, there wasn't anything. There was a mobile gas station across the street and that was it. Wow. It's different. And as that continues to creep, um more people move in, more businesses come in. Uh we see a need in

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the future for station 30. I I would like to mention that we have property at Yankee Lake which would be perfect for that station. U so next steps uh what we're asking for is that we adopt the 5-year CIP as part of the fiscal year 27 budget process. Uh

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as the county manager said uh doing this now rather than doing it during during that because of the length of it. uh provide any direction and feedback and uh give us direction to continue to monitor cost escalations and needs and we'll adjust annually. Great.

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>> And that's all I have. >> Thank you. Questions, Commissioner Zenbower. >> Um I move that we adopt the 5-year CIP with an annual update. >> If we need to go to public comment, >> I'll make I'll second it for discussion

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and public comment. >> All right, we have a motion and a second. Any public comment? >> No, ma'am. >> So, no requests. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? >> Madam Chair. >> Yes. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. First of all, Chief, I want to say thank you to you,

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but I'd like to most importantly [snorts] say thank you for the people behind you, not physically behind you, but actually providing all this data and analysis and all the hard work that they do, all the men and women. Uh, I think it's a good presentation. I think the five-year CIP is spot on. The only

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emphasis that I want to make sure that we talk about is that as we all know land as we are developing uh does become a premium. So I'd like to make sure that if there's opportunities out there that we look at that not build

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them but secure the properties so that we can make sure that we're moving forward at the appropriate time when you and your staff and the county manager staff believe that we should pull the trigger. That's just I think prudent because otherwise you're buying commercial property or residential property have to take something down.

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I'd rather not do that. But I want to plan for the future as we've done in past many times. And again, I commend you for the hard work and the dedication and your staff. >> Further comments? Yes, Commissioner Walker. >> Yeah. Um, I wanted to there's two parts to this presentation

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and I think that we want to make sure at least for my purposes there the CIP um that you're proposing is currently within uh proposed revenue estimates of the county. Is that correct? >> Yes, that's correct. >> So, there's nothing that's being

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proposed in that 5-year capital improvement plan that a board 2, three, four, five years from now will get caught unawares and go, "Well, wait a minute. We don't we don't have in our revenue projections the ability to pay for any of this. >> It keeps us at approximately actually a

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little bit higher 20% reserves. >> Fabulous. I think that was important to get on the record. Um the I do have a question about one of the pieces of property that you have identified that we already own and if if this is a follow-up answer that's perfectly fine.

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Um the one in Longwood on um >> Lake Emma Y >> that's across from the Publix. I think we have owned that for a long long time. >> Yes. >> Have was it originally purchased to be a fire station? >> Yes.

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>> Okay. And has our prototype changed? Is that why it's not the right size? >> It was never the right size and we did not have a prototype then. >> I'm going to be sorry I asked that question. >> So, how are we going to make sure we

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don't buy the wrongsized piece of property moving forward? But we know the size that we need which is 2 and 12 acres at [snorts] a minimum uh to again fit our prototype if there's so like station 10 um that's very challenging out in that area. Uh we're looking at

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partnerships potentially with SSC. Uh we'll see how those things work out. If we have to buy a smaller piece of property it just will not um we won't be able to utilize our prototype and we'll have to design something different. Uh we can do it. Uh it all depends on infrastructure. Like station 11 was in

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reality built on just under 2 acres of land, but it already had storm water. And that's the key that we have to hold our own water. Uh >> depends on what the infrastructure is in the area. I if there's a retention pond that's nearby uh that has capacity that

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we could potentially utilize, uh the land need goes down. But assuming that we need to build the station and retain our own water, 2 and a half acres of land is the minimum. Okay. And then we talked about our collaboration with the cities for whom we have agreements to to do their fire for them like Winter

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Springs and Castleberry but and Altoont. But for cities uh like Longwood where we're talking about doing some movement of some stations in and around their area that may affect their service and and their service delivery to to the community. Are we actively engaged in

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conversations with them so that we're not um playing in each other's sandboxes unintentionally? Where are we with those kinds of conversations moving forward? >> So, the fire chiefs meet every month. Um and yes, we have these conversations on what we're planning to do, what is

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actually happening, because planning and actually happening are two different things. Um but 100% if somebody is putting a station or a resource somewhere it affects everyone else and completely changes the dynamic of what is in the best interest of the county as

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a whole. Uh again and you know this uh that we work in what is a unique first response system. Uh we don't recognize borders. We utilize each other's app apparatus by GPS location. The closest most appropriate unit goes. Uh, so

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trying to put the chess pieces all in the best spot while being separate organizations takes a lot of collaboration. >> We appreciate you doing it and I think it's really important that the county manager continue those not just with the fire chiefs, but that the city and county managers really dive deep into

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these conversations as we plan moving forward. And I actually I was going to comment on that and um they're you know they have a new city manager there that just started this p past year. Who was their fire chief? >> He was Maitland's fire chief. >> Mland's fire chief. Him and I have already been in some conversations about that.

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>> Great. >> All right. Thank you. Those are all my questions. >> Commissioner Zenbower, would you have your hand up? >> I would. Yes. Thank you, Madam Chair. Um on station 42, and I don't need an answer from county manager right now. I would just ask that

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we have a very candid conversation with Valuchia County. >> Mhm. >> That since we are utilizing that station to service a significant portion of their [clears throat] southeastern corridor of their county. Um maybe they should write

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a check. >> Okay. That >> as a prop share. >> Absolutely. >> If we're going to continue down that >> dialogue. Yes. Otherwise, they would need to build their own station to the tune of what we're seeing here. Um, and [snorts] they and they don't have that

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dense population down in that corridor. So, I think that's a conversation we should be having. >> Absolutely. >> And the conversations that we had what a couple years ago about them increasing their funding for the operation of us responding there uh that you all had asked uh chief and I to go and talk.

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>> Correct. We did. They did and they were very collaborative. Uh they they need us in that area. Correct. >> That's a good point. >> Definitely do that. >> Thank you, >> Commissioner Constantine. >> Thank you very much. I I just wanted to tell you, Chief, um, you know, the

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promises made, promises delivered, and I appreciate very much the it it's it I think it it's worthy to that we point out what you indicated before about the honors and the accolades, the

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certificates that this fire department has received. That that is unprecedented. and to be the only one in the nation. It's, you know, it's hard to put your arms around that. But I just I just again wanted you and everyone as as

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Commissioner Delorey said behind you to know how important that is and how really grateful we are um that you've done that. I I mean many of us were in uh up here on the dis when we had to ask

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for an increase in advorum when we were talking about the fire department and I recall the angst of so many individuals in the community that oh my god it's it's it's not going to be worth anything the fire department's fine we don't need

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anything. I recall one person huffing and puffing, bringing thousands and thousands of of petitions down uh which turned out to be less than hundreds and uh you know and and also form letters pretty much.

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And today, you know, everything that you and and the department said would happen has happened, including what you indicated with the individual that said that their insurance is reduced. And we we tried to sell it on that and it

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worked. And I just wanted to tell you it is important when people recognize that uh that government does deliver. So thank you very much. >> And the boots on the ground. We we have it's humbling as a fire chief to have

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such a dedicated workforce. Uh they are bar none. They are phenomenal on every aspect of this all hazards fire department [snorts] work. >> So, thank you, commissioners. I do have a couple of comments. Uh, first of all, for county manager's office, I I think

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the if we're the only one, we need better public relations around that. And I realize that the PIO for your operation does that. We need to be doing that as well. We This should be on every single thing we print. Every single thing we put like

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um Chief Kinley, I appreciate you explaining the 2500 ft at $2.5 million because I think my head came unglued while we were talking about you got you going to walk me through the math. This math doesn't math. Um and I do understand it's commercial. Uh and I

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still do think there's opportunities there. I think as we're building these facilities, what I what I am hearing uh for the people that are in residence there is that appropriate tech versus high-tech needs to be analyzed. You and I have had that conversation. I'm just

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getting it on the record. Um every time they move the lights come on, etc. So, some of the stuff that we've been engaging with recently. Uh, I do think we own land in Rolling Hills and I did bring this up in our briefing around the idea of we need to be figuring out if we

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have any land that we can use and then [clears throat] marking it for that. Now, same with Yankee Lake, like let's get that dedicated. I do have a question as to whether or not we should think about a second prototype,

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not a new prototype, but a second prototype that as we build in more urban areas that don't take up the acreage that needs to be taken up, if it can be, and I'm not saying we have to discuss that now, but we at least need to think about it. >> So, there is a plan conceptually that

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when we do that, that would be the prototype. Once we build a once we're going to build one, we need to build one that's different. Uh that would be our second prototype moving forward. >> So So I'm a chicken and egg conversation. I'm not sure which comes

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first because that means we're buying land that may or may not fit a prototype that we haven't built and we're retrofitting. I would rather have a prototype and then source the land. Got it. >> So but for future thought. Um, and then the last comment that I'll make is that

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this is a CIP. I think anything that you need to continue to shore up the paramedic program that's clearly saving us on this is going to be in your regular budget discussion. >> Yes. >> Okay. Just wanted that on the record. With that, commissioners, any further discussion? We've already clarified that

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there's no public comment. All those in favor? >> I opposed. Hearing none opposed, it passes unanimously. Thank you so much, Chief, for everything. >> Thank you. The next item on our agenda is the indoor facility update with Rick Durr, parks and recreation director at the

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helm. >> And chairman and commissioners, we're going to have them sit at the table since this may be discussion. So, there may be multiple speakers so they don't have to get up and down. >> And how about while we're assimilating

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and and getting ready? Uh, is there any public comment for this? I believe we do have speaker forms for this. So, we may uh get you teed up to read the public comment notification at the point they're ready. Sure, we're settling in. So, yes, let's

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be efficient. Thank you. Florida law provides that members of the public shall be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard on propositions before the board of county commissioners except when the board is acting on emergency or ministerial matters or conducting a meeting exempt from the requirements of the sunshine law.

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Individuals shall be permitted 3 minutes each for public comment or 6 minutes when the individual is an official representative of a formal association or group. The chairman may modify the maximum time for public comment at her sole discretion when appropriate. Public comments on quasi judicial or other

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public hearing items will not be heard during the board's consideration of those will be heard during the board's consideration of those items this afternoon. Public comments on pending procurement matters or on non-aggenda items shall not be permitted at this time. Members of the public desiring to make comment must fill out a speaker

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form and present the form to staff and forms are available in the lobby. Madam Chair, >> thank you so much. Mr. Durr, we'll turn it over to you. >> All right, I'll I'll actually start >> Mr. Swanson. Good morning, chairman and commissioners. Christian Swintson, assistant county manager.

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>> Those those you need to speak into. >> Okay, fair enough. I'll move it closer. Hopefully, that's better. Um, I'm going to start with the agenda and then I'll kind of lay out, you know, who all's here and who's speaking at what point. So, obviously, you've heard I'm here. I'm going to be speaking about the recap of the uh the retreat we had on March

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10th. Then Rick Dur, the parks parks and recreation director, will be talking about item two, the potential land purchases, the building update, and things like that. Geuna the economic development director and Tim J the budget director will be talking about item three project funding and return on

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investment update and then we'll just return to item four the requested actions of the board. So with that I will get started on the recap of March 10th. So obviously it's a recap and a lot of this information is for the viewing public and things like that. So

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I apologize for the redundancy that that may be with y'all but for other folks it may be fresh. So, I'll get started with just the site location of the facility that we're talking about. We're looking at a site for the indoor um sports complex that is north and east of the

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Bumba Sports Complex on Lake Mary Boulevard. So, as you see in the lower leftand corner of this slide, there is a uh kind of a hot pink color. That's the location we're talking about. It's just off of More Station Road. This is a facility that will host a a variety of

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events or could host a variety of events. They will be uh potentially sports events such as basketball, volleyball, and other indoor events as well as um events such as graduations in the community and other special events. And I I wanted to pause just briefly on

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the graduation aspect. In the retreat, there was a lot of discussion about what was presented, the size of the facility and things like that. What we're showing you today will um will accommodate the largest high school in the uh in the county. And there's been a lot of conversations amongst uh a variety of

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staff even including uh county manager Gray and uh Superintendent Bean and and a variety of other staff to make sure you know there's a potential for partnerships and things like that. So I just wanted to to bring that right on out. So, at the retreat, we talked about an approach that was m multi-purpose,

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flexible, expandable, could do a whole host of amenities as well as accommodate things that were not just sporting events as as I mentioned previously, and also kind of uh focus on community need events as well, things like postsheltering activities and things like that in the community. So, we we

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looked at the site and this is a closer aerial of the site. The site that we own as a county is the the site that has the yellow dashed line around it, but we talked about the expandability of that potentially to the west. And you'll see kind of a uh a white block next to it

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with some 14 acres that was discussed as part of that conversation. We'll get into a bit more of that in a in a minute. Also, at that retreat, we looked at three building options and and they weren't static. They gave concepts so that conversations could be developed

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from that. So we presented an option one which we called the Pazuti drawing. It was a a building that had multiple rooms in it and allowed multiple things to be going on at the same time potentially more than just one event but could expand to one large uh one large event.

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Um also in that concept we brought forward it was a more durable construction, more energyefficient construction and that was to stimulate conversation. We also presented a second option which was the Lake Point indoor sports complex and that was a drawing that you had seen previously. It's a

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larger building, metal building type construction, arguably a little less [clears throat] durable, a little less energy efficient and things like that. And then the third option we discussed was a uh a TI um budgetonly option and we we looked at backing into that program to say what would it buy. So

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those were the things that we discussed there. the board in that in that meeting liked option one the pizzudi drawing and here's a picture of it in that meeting there was a series of uh overlay drawings that showed how it convert for a bunch of different stuff I'm not going to go through all that now but as you

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see from the top of the drawing the the drawing allows for eight basketball courts at the top and then kind of a convertible championship area at the uh at the bottom in the bottom of the L area as well as some multi-purpose rooms and things like that with it in those

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conversations we also presented a series of alocart options. These were items that came about from the Pazuti listening tour. So as Pizuti went through and they interviewed everyone, they come up with different different comments and they made a list of them. We presented them. We felt that there

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was eight of them and I'll just run through these. We also presented the cost again kind of give you an order of magnitude of what we were looking at. But we talked about a mezzanine, a parking garage, overflow parking, the potential for additional beach volleyball or beach volleyball, an

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additional court to expand the area. That was actually something that we spent a lot of time talking about in regard to graduation, which as I previously mentioned, we've got that we've got that sorted. And then also, we talked about tilt wall construction and potentially maybe not quite a hardened building by the definition, but a a

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close to hardened facility. We talked about that additional 14 acres of land which was the the white block I just showed you. And then we got to an option eight which was we could expand the building with bleachers and things like that and kind of and expand it out to make it larger. So looking at each one

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of these options and getting the board feedback, the mezzanine was an option the board liked and wanted us to investigate that and potentially use it for a a walking track. The parking garage was thought that would be maybe investigated as an ad alternate. Also look at a return on investment for it.

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Overflow parking should be included in the base program. The beach volleyball was interested to be included into the base program. However, look at an ROI and make sure it made sense to go in there. So, we've done that. Also, we looked at additional courts as I

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referenced that plays into the graduation aspect and the flexibility. So, include those. The tilt wall was was desirous of the board. They like the idea of the dur durability and also a more finished look to the building. The 14 acres of land, the direction was to

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to move forward and and look at the possibility of purchasing some of that land. And then the additional bleachers just try to accommodate them where it made sense. That was the comment there and and we've done that. So the general feedback was the board wanted a facility that was flexible, could be used for

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local uses, hold multiple multiple events at the same time, that was built out of a material that was durable, energy efficient, and took in maintenance costs as well as operation costs in it. And then finally on all this, update our return on investments and look at them and made sure the

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numbers made sense. And it's those things today that's I'm I'm giving kind of the the recap of it, but it's those things today that my colleagues are going to talk about and we'll go through these sequentially. So with that, I'm going to turn it over to Mr. Durr and he can update you on how those were incorporated into the drawings.

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So good morning board. [clears throat] Excuse me. So just to orient everyone, we're looking at an aerial of the site again. Um the first item that we'll go ahead and report on is the adjacent land. the five acres or 4.97 acres that you see up at the top the upper left of

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the drawing. That parcel is posted for sale. Staff has contacted them. They are willing sellers. That is a a parcel that we could possibly move forward forward with in terms of looking at future expansion of the facility andor uh overflow parking areas. And then staff

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did look take a look at the balance of the properties highlighted in yellow. Just to the south of that, the 9.41 41 acres. There's a 10 different parcels within that. Several different owners of each of those parcels. Those are currently not posted as for sale. They would run on a much longer timeline uh

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to be determined. Uh but at this particular point, the ones that looked primed in terms of uh action items would be the upper five acres. So in taking the building program that Christian gave you a recap on and then taking the uh a lot of the alakart

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options if you will and taking a look how that affected the overall building program and projected costs. This is an updated list to show you the various amenities and the sizes of the amenities that would be included in the larger footprint of the building or the adjusted footprint of the building. Um, right now we're showing approximately

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161,000 to 178,000 square ft as a range. And there's a reason why when I show you a a graphic of that, the main two volumes of the building are somewhat static and fixed based on court sizes and and um uh visitor sizes. The rest of the

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facilities, all of the storage, all of the multi-purpose areas, all of support areas would be things that would be uh really refined as the project would go forward. meaning that that's where you're going to see a lot of flex maybe in the square footage. That would all flesh out in the next in the next stage

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of development and design development for the building. Hence the the range in overall square foot of the building. But the bottom line would be is that we would look at a minimum of 12 basketball courts. That's inclusive of the championship court that equates to 22 volleyball indoor courts and could

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accommodate up to 7,500 guests for graduation in the main volume. So again, the discussion about what's the largest graduation size here in Semino County as well as could it accommodate Seminal State, the championship court itself or the events area could accommodate up to 2500 guests with movable bleachers and

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we'll show you a picture of what that looks like in just a moment. Um the ability to go ahead and then obviously support the activities there with food service, cafe, restaurant, some some type of food service concept. um not just for main events or or banquetss,

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but to serve as for visitors at various um tournament play there in the building, but lots of different multi-purpose rooms, and we call them flexible spaces. Right now, we know that through the design, especially the BoomA Sports Complex, the need for official space, tournament organizers, um first

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aid spaces, team spaces, those are going to change based upon the use. So, making sure that we're building in that flexibility into the into those support spaces is going to be something that'll be focused in on as the project continues. The mezzanine and walking track have been supported and we'll show you what

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that looks like in just a moment, as well as outdoor facilities uh to help support the beach volleyball location as well. So, not building a number of out buildings, if you will, to facilitate other events out on site, but to be able to house them all in one location. And then I'll also look at and a lot of

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discussion was had about the ability for local folks and residents to be able to use this seven days a week if necessary to the idea of having walking paths and park amenities there on site. Overall, we're looking at development of the total 28 acres. Um we there was a lot of discussion obviously regarding the

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parking parking lot parking garage concept uh as well as do we have a pay parking option that should we want to charge uh for different events we could do so but it would be at our discretion and then obviously it would require all development of all utilities and infrastructure would be required on the

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site. We've got 25 courts uh spelled out in the beach volleyball complex and then the building style description is located and and Christian spoke about those as well and that's on the draw on the drawings moving forward. So one thing to keep in mind as we look at a at a drawing of the site itself is that

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this is at concept level. I know it looks pretty some areas look pretty hardlined and well refined. This is still a concept drawing at this particular point. And the idea at this point is to do things fit on the site? How do they fit? And if we were to proceed forward with detailed design on the project, what are some of the

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features that we'd like to see and give direction to an architect and a site site developer to go ahead and and look at moving forward? So, first foremost, we put the uh position the indoor sports complex building itself and putting that envelope on the north northern part of

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the site. Um, part of that is with the adjacencies that we have with the Sanford masonry to the to the north and that gives us some real good um uh accessory units or better yet more like uh activity going on on the northern portion of the site. The other thing

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that that does is as we look at the development of the overall site footprint is it takes all of the amenities and it pushes it towards Lake Mary Boulevard. So, the idea that we're taking the investment and the core amenities of the site and really pushing those out for the public to see creates not just a sense of arrival, but it it

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is very consistent with how we've developed the Bumma Sports Complex about 3/4 of a mile uh to our south along along the uh Lake Mary Boulevard. What we've also been able to show is the idea that as we develop the site, we don't want to just develop um the required

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infrastructure as standalone infrastructure that there is a way to develop the infrastructure and use it as an amenity. So the idea of taking the required storm water that will be required on site with any development and being able to maximize its use by including that in the site planning for

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beach volleyball creates that that amenity. We're going to have to provide the infrastructure already. we might as well amenitize it while we're looking at that. The ability to also take and utilize the rest of that green space around the required storm water and create more of a park-like setting out

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on Lake Mary Boulevard. So again, it really begs for the public to be able to use this facility with a series of pavilions, even a playground, not just for special events and tournaments, but for public use 365 days a year. The other thing that allows us to do is it allows us to take the front door, if you

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will, of the indoor sports complex building itself and create a real indooroutdoor experience between the types of of of events that you'll have inside as well as what you could do outside. So, the idea of having a dual event that has both indoor indoor and an

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outdoor beach volleyball would be a huge game changer in the in this particular market. For example, the other part of this by moving the amenities up to the front is we can take a really good look at taking really the back of the house and keeping it in the back of the house. We can design the parking lot and the

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entrance and and egress and and um ingress of the site, keep it efficient, bring it in off of Mor Station Boulevard, that's Sport Station Road, excuse me, on the south uh part of the diagram. likely we would need to put a traffic signal at that location, handle

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it, bring it into the site and then be able to distribute the uh the vehicular circulation throughout. The idea, however, is we would look at streamlining how that that circulation moves throughout the site by taking our cues from other venues in the area,

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convention centers, theme parks, um, that bring you in one way and then minimize the amount of times that you have the ability to cross other folks and direction of travel and keep the the flow efficient and keep it safe. We'll minimize Q Q. Let me try that again in

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English. Q timing. uh as well as any other be able to bring f folks in and out of the site efficiently and smoothly. We also include on the north end of the site the possibility of a right out directional right out. So again very similar to the way we developed the boom of sports complex of

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having multiple egress options u depending on the use of the of the facility. The last portion of this to describe is on the uh upper left corner of the drawing the proposed overflow parking that would be for a potential acquisition at that location. that's

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already a cleared site, fairly flat. Um, that could probably go into operation from day one. And then obviously the potential expansion area on the western part of the drawing as well, uh, should additional properties become available over time and and should that be a focus of the board moving through. So that's

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outside the building. We're going to show a series of diagrams and again, this looks fairly hardlined. It is very much still a conceptual plan that has been adapted per the latest development program. So you saw a slightly larger main volume on the top of the drawing

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that is 10 basketball courts that equates to 20 volleyball courts within the same space. We've got the on the lower right portion of the drawing. We've got what we call the main event area or the championship court area. You see a lot of lines on that one that would have retractable bleachers. could

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be uh a center court if you will or center championship court for basketball. It could be handled other days of a tournament where you basically retract the bleachers in and you could handle two basketball u courts in that same space and then all the other ancillary features that would go to support the functions within the

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building. So food service u multi-purpose rooms and so forth. We know that through through design development these these spaces will change sizes and they will be rearranged based upon efficiencies. But right now this is really just to give you an idea of a bubble diagram if you will of the

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types of different spaces that would be required to exist to support all the functions that would occur there. So this is the common theme of the sketches that follow. We got the upper volume and then the lower volume of the main the main event space. Now that was the first

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floor. If you look at this from the second floor the highlighted orange area around the main volume would say be the walking trackme mezzanine area. We'd have other landing spaces that if we wanted to uh increase the uh the viewer capacity in that particular space to have a viewing down into the main

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volume, we could do so. And that we'd have other functions up on the second floor, obviously restrooms and other support functions. So if this is the main or organization of the building itself, um you start to overlay how can it be adaptable and that was a main function of the the plan as as discussed

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with the board. So if you wanted to convert that again, this is your your main volley uh excuse me basketball operation and then how that transitions into volleyball. [snorts] So on the the main volume then then becomes 20 volleyball

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courts with two on the in the in the event area and then that could transition itself over to a championship volleyball court all within the same walls. Graduation. This is what 7500 floor seats might look like with a stage out on the right hand part of the

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drawing. Um, again, the idea that this could be configured in such a way to to accommodate the largest of graduations and obviously as you get smaller functions and smaller areas that could maybe move to the small smaller events area on this lower right part of the drawing. But it does show it would have

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that capacity with enhanced audio visuals and so forth. But that'd be something that we could work on work work on as this as the project would continue through design development. Other types of events that could happen. This is a layout for a dual meet gymnastics that could be held down in

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the uh championship area and still have other u activities going on in the main volume. You could reconfigure that to dance and cheer competition. So we could possibly have Lake Mary High School winning their cheer championship here at this particular facility. we could host that

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venue with along with other venues occurring in other portions of the building. Flexibility as a banquet space. Again, um we've stated this as we've met with our hotel years as well. This is larger than any of our existing hotel ballrooms could accommodate. So,

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it would accommodate really the kinds of venues that we do not have here in in the the county. We would not be looking to compete with them for the smaller spaces. So, as a part of that, a series of conceptual elevations were were created. And then, if you wanted to take a look

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at this for maybe a uh a helicopter, if you will, taking a aerial view down at the site, Lake Mary Boulevard runs kind of across the bottom of of this piece. So, you're looking at a uh an enhanced view of what that could be. Again, a very overall concept of what that could

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be. Putting an architectural feature there maybe on the corner is an idea that we could look at. Um, and then how the sand beach volleyball and the on-site retention could knit itself together to creating this cohesive front door look out on Lake Mary Boulevard and

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really put putting most of the community assets right out there at the front door. Parking being in the back with all the vehicular circulation coming through sort of the middle of the site running north south. So, taking all of that into account, we have an updated cost estimates on the

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project. It too shows a range and there's a another big reason why is as we look at the variance in square footage number one that's that's one feature. Another feature is is while we looked at running and updating cost estimates for not just the building but the site development and all the

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planning that would have to go into this we wanted to make sure that number one we were all inclusive. So every possible uh cost that we could possibly think of were included in these estimates. Number two is we had multiple estimates done. So the Pazuti team and their architect

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Moody Nolan ran one set of estimates. We had a third party estimator also run another set of estimates and then staff took the best or the highlights of all of those based on our current experience of construction projects currently going on in Simino County and created a blended approach to that. The other

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thing we wanted to make sure that we did is that we are being very conservative with the numbers. So we did not want to give you a best case scenario and then all of a sudden we go we find ourselves in design and we're hitting oursel heads on the ceiling already before we've even gotten into the level of detail of planning and design that's going to be

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required for the project. So we wanted to make sure that we had that conservative set but we wanted to make sure that they still this is still based on a set of conceptual ideas. So again still at a concept level even though we've seem to gone a long way with some of the drawings they're still very much

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conceptual. So at this point, we wanted to make sure we established a good range for you. And at this point forward, as we talk about cost estimates and return on investment, we start to use that upper level of the range that we showed you there. And with that, I'm going to transition this over to Gee should share

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to talk about [laughter] project funding. So, uh, Tim J, budget director, and I, Gekuna, economic development, tourism director, will discuss, uh, the project funding and return on investment. The

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four key points that came out of that March 10th retreat was the updated cost estimates as uh Rick just discussed, the meeting with SCPS to discuss uh graduation details that Christian has

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already uh briefed on, but also the Hunden report, Hunden Strategic Partners, the organization that we've been working with throughout this entire process dating all the way back to 2023. three. So, they gave us uh updated

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projections on the indoor complex and also on the beach volleyball portion of the project. So, when we look at the events, um couple of things to keep in mind whenever looking at youth sports

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complexes in particular, rule of thumb, 3 to 5 years for stabilization. That's going to be a common theme. So in year 1 we are expecting 32 events over 67 days and we see that stabilize in year five

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at 63 events over 126 days. As a benchmark, our other six uh sports complexes that we utilize um for the sports tourism side specific holds about 90 to 95 events on a given year. usually

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spit split 50% at the Bumba Sports Complex and the other 50% at the five uh other assets that we have. Now, when we look at the beach volleyball events, we see that common theme of stabilization.

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We look at that year 1 10 events expected and then that stabilization theme uh in year five at 30 events moving forward. Now when we look at the indoor complex perform a couple of key items to um uh

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of note. understanding that the increase in tourist development tax is not included in the revenue line there uh for year 1. We are expecting through uh Hunden strategic partners 114,000

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increase in tourist development tax and then that will increase to 239,000 by year five. Another uh item of note, the net tur uh tournament parking uh row

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that is based at $5 uh per per attender per vehicle. So, let's make sure we we key on the $5 there as we uh discuss parking moving forward. Another item of note is the

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naming rights. that 100,000 in the naming rights row. That's based off our only naming rights deal for a youth sports facility. Um and that's uh an average of $100,000 a year. So year 1 uh

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we see a shortfall of 225,000. We see that stabilization uh by year five. If we were to look at the first three years and sum sum up all the shortfalls, that comes out to 475,000.

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And similar concept for beach volleyball there. Uh year one, uh we're expecting $112,000 shortfall and then stabilizing by year five. If you add up all the shortfalls there, it comes out to 283,000.

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The grand total for indoor and beach volleyball is 758,000. After uh reviewing with the budget department, that is a sum that we currently have in TDT reserves now and

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can hold it um as we move through this uh process to cover any shortfalls that are being projected. Now when we look at the conceptual economic impact before we go into the numbers just some benchmarks uh to keep

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in mind indirect and induced uh from the last largecale investment in youth sports. The county increased a thousand over a thousand hotel rooms since Bumba opened 10 years ago. um at our current

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demand of 70% occupancy and a hundred uh an average of $100 in average daily rate, which is both low and conservative estimates based on where we are today. For every new 100 hotel rooms to Semino

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County, we are looking at an additional 64,000 collected in the tourism improvement district, 128,000 in tourist development tax, and an additional 153,000 in sales tax solely associated with

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rooms. So when we look at year 1 combining direct, indirect and induced spending, we expect a 25.5 million uh new spending because we don't have other indoor facilities. We don't see much

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overlap in spending there. So that's very good moving forward. uh stabilization at year five of $53 million uh with a grand total over the life of the asset of close to $2.2

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billion. And then for the beach volleyball portion, this is an addon. So these numbers will be added into the indoor complex numbers that we discussed. Year 1 is 1.26 26 million with a

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stabilization in year five of 4.24 million and an additional 173 uh million over the life of the asset for a rounded gr for a rounded

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grand economic impact of $2.4 4 billion dollar to that east lake Mary corridor which of course has other county [clears throat] properties there and will increase the value and partnership opportunities.

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>> Thank you Gee. I'm Tim Jex budget director. The ROI of a government facility is calculated by dividing the total net benefits by the total amount invested. The estimated cost of the facility is $175 million with approximately 40% paid

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by the hotels through the new tourist [clears throat] improvement district and the existing tourist development tax. At the end of the presentation, we'll show the ROI for the whole project as well as just the county's investment. Each year, the facility is expected to bring to the county 322,000

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attendees [clears throat] for indoor events plus 13,000 for beach volleyball. Those participants and their families will generate approximately 42,000 room nights. Additionally, the facility is projected to create 562 new jobs. All of that activity is projected to

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generate 2.4 billion in total economic benefit over 30 years. The largest slice being direct benefits, which includes spending at the facility, and revenues for our hotels and restaurants. Indirect benefits includes business and supply chain spending in support of direct

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services. And finally, induced benefits includes household spendings from new jobs created. The performer that GE covered for the indoor facility excludes debt service. And you see that annual operating revenues and expenditures are projected

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to break even by year four. The beach volleyball proforma shows a break even in year five. And if we focus on year two, the combined deficit from the previous indoor facility slide and this beach volleyball proforma is $258,000.

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This is offset by projected year 2 tax revenue growth of 371,000 to county's existing sales tax and tourism tax collections. So on the left we have the ROI for the facility based on a total investment of

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175 million. We expect $14 in return to the community for every $1 invested. On the right, we show the ROI if we focused on just the county's investment excluding the amounts paid by the hotels. In that case, we expect $22 for every $1 invested.

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And here we have a separate analysis for a parking garage based on a construction estimate of $33 million. This would add $2 million per year in debt service. Using Hunden projections of 126 event days, 900 spaces, 80% capacity, and $10

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per space, we're looking at $900,000 in annual revenue. [cough and clears throat] >> So, so with that, we're going to come back with requested actions. Um, we'll leave them [clears throat] on the screen. We're looking for five requested actions from the board. So, we're we're looking for the board to approve and

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authorize staff to number one proceed forward with a development pro program presented here today or an amended version by the BCC. Number two, to proceed forward with a solicitation of an architect and engineering services for the project.

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Number three, proceed forward with a solicitation for a construction manager at risk for this project. Number four, to present the almost 5 acre adjacent parcel for acquisition at an upcoming BCC meeting. And then finally, number five, to direct staff to proceed with

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continued discussions on the remaining [snorts] parcels not currently listed for sale with those owners potentially interested in selling and bring back any potentially viable parcels for BCC consideration. So, so with that, I'd like to open it up for

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questions for any of the team. Thank you. Uh, commissioners, I have a series of questions and I'm just going to weigh in and tell you that I know uh I have been the cause of the generation of a lot of the letters that we've been getting because I've been very open

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about my concerns about the cost to the local taxpayer for this facility. And so I'm just going to own that that I [clears throat] have created a lot of this. Uh and I'm also going to go on the record and say I support the facility. I

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am not 100% convinced I support the scaling of the facility that happened at our hands, not the hotelers's hands and not our sports experts hands. And so that's that's where um I think we're going to have a lot of healthy

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discussion. But with that, I'll ask commissioners to weigh in and then I'll go through a series of questions. >> But public input, >> no comments from anybody else. >> I think Commissioner Z was asking if you wanted to do public input first.

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>> I was going to do public input after, but if you'd like to do public input first. Public input. >> There are five speakers. >> Awesome. First is Kurt Esser, Melania Anes, and Kristen Oswald.

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You guys were locked and loaded and ready to go. So that's fabulous. We appreciate that. >> As a testament to the growth of volleyball and the excitement around the volleyball, I have to leave here, go to a lunchon with the FIVB. We're talking about the World Championships in 27 and

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the beach qualifier in 28 for the Olympics. So, uh, my name is Kurt Esser. I am executive director of the Florida region of USA volleyball. Uh, regarding a demonstrated need for the Florida region, we currently host six

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championship events annually with the seventh rotating every 3 to 5 years. I would strongly consider moving those events to the new indoor facility contingent upon reasonable rental income or economics. Um, those events include

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our Gold Series, which is the top 90 junior teams in the Florida region, kicking off the indoor season each January with approximately 1,300 room nights. Our 18 regional qualifier, which is hosting 50 of the top 18 and under

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teams competing for USA volleyball national bids each February. That's approximately 350 room nights. our boys regional championship which is desperately needing a home. We've been moving around um approx approximately 120 boys teams competing for USA

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volleyball bids and preparing for uh AAOU nationals in June. Approximately 1300 rooms for that event and our regions cup which is uh the 40 regions of USA volleyball send their junior allstars to compete each July against

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each other and other international teams. Uh, oh, by the way, Florida has won 11 of the last 14 of those. Um, and we would love to host that on an uh every four or five years as well. With respect to the beach facility, the

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Florida region is actively refocusing on its beach efforts and we currently host an FIVB event, a an event down in PMPO, Florida. However, there's a uh great need to expand our opportunities to both

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boys, girls, and adults. And we would love to be a part of that efforts in this community. Uh and one final focus is a focus of mine uh since taking over is educational programming. We [snorts] desperately need space to train our

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coaches, to train our club directors on the best and u um best ways to do things and sharing best practices. So, uh, we hund 100% support this, uh, facility and we will back it as best we can. Thank

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you. >> Thank you. Next speaker, name for the record. >> Good morning, Melanie Anes. Central Florida Hotel and Lodging Association, 6675 Westwood Boulevard, Orlando, Florida, 32821. Chair her and members of

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the board on behalf of the Central Florida Hotel and Lodging Association, our president and CEO, Robert Agusa and our board of directors, I'm here to reaffirm our strong support for Semino Countyy's efforts to advance the construction of an indoor sports complex. As a partner of Seminal County for decades, we appreciate the county's

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collaborative leadership and forward-thinking approach in pursuing a public private partnership that will deliver lasting economic and communitywide benefits along with improving the quality of life for Seminal County residents. Without the support of excuse me, without the support, investment, and dedication of

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the county commission and county staff and the countless stakeholders involved throughout this process, this project would still remain only an idea. The hospitality industry has long recognized the limitations posed by the current lack of an indoor sports facility, which has constrained our ability to attract tournaments and related events to the

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area. This proposed complex is a significant opportunity to elevate Seminal County's competitiveness as a premier destination for sports tourism. In addition to the tourism benefits, this complex would also give the residents of Semino County a central location to host community events such as graduations, youth sports

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competitions, recreational leagues, and so much more. By enabling year-round events, the facility would also help support small businesses, local hotels, and restaurants, particularly during traditionally slower demand periods. We also want to emphasize the importance of

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maintaining momentum on this project. Advancing construction in a timely manner will allow recruitment and business development efforts to begin promptly, ensuring Seminal County is well positioned to secure future events and bookings ahead of the facilities opening. Clear and reliable timelines are essential for attracting event

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organizers, investors, and complimentary development opportunities. Lastly, we again thank Semino County and its current and future visitors for their significant effort in getting this transformative project to where we are today. This would not be possible without the unique and coordinated partnership between the county, the

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tourist develop development council and the tourist improvement district. As other destinations across the state and the region continue to invest in similar multi-purpose indoor sports complexes, the competitive landscape is only becoming more challenging. Let's keep the momentum moving forward and ensure Semino County remains well positioned to

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compete for regional, national, and international sporting events. We sincerely appreciate your consideration and willingness to engage all stakeholders throughout this process and we stand ready to assist Seminal County as this project moves forward. Thank you. >> Thank you.

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>> Thank you. Name and address for the record. >> Good morning, Duncan Wall. Um I'm with the Hampton Inn Sues and Townplay Suites Altoont Springs. Good morning. It's good to be with you commissioners. Um, I uh like today, like many of my colleagues here in the hospitality community, we like I'd like to share my strong support

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for the county's initiative to move forward with the development of the indoor sports complex and the continued success of Simol County tourism economy. I would like to thank you all for your hard work and time and energy that you've poured into this initiative over the last couple years and the continued

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partnership with the hospitality industry as a whole. I hope to count on your support of this literal gamechanging project with Simol County and the positive impact that it will bring to the local economy. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. >> Good morning, commissioners. Uh my name

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is Kristen Oswald, 151 International Parkway at Lake Mary. Um, again, my name is Kristen and I serve uh as vice chair on the T board. I've also had the privilege of serving on this committee for the last several years working on initiatives that support Semino County

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tourism e economy and helping to make this complex a reality. I have beer I have appeared before the board on behalf of the T on prior occasions and I want to emphasize that our message has remained consistent. I'm here today in strong support of the tours improvement

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district and the proposed indoor sports complex. This project directly aligns with our long-standing goals of creating demand, strengthening year-round business, positioning Semino County more competitively in the sports tourism market, and establishing Semino County

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as one of the top destinations for youth and amateur sports in Central Florida. I also want to acknowledge that this project has been discussed, evaluated, and debated over the last three years. During that time, there have been multiple opportunities to challenge or

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stop this initiative. Meanwhile, in the past year, hotels within the in the county have already collected the assessment dollars with the understanding that they would be used to [snorts] support this project. The hotel community has made the commitment and we believe it's important to continue to

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move forward with the momentum and the trust that's already been established. As a mother of two children who participate in you sports, this project has also personal to me. I want to continue supporting and spending in my own community instead of traveling to

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other counties that already have facilities like this. Seol County has the opportunity to become that destination for other families as well. Semino County has the opportunity to move decisively and remain competitive. Delaying or losing momentum in this

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space carries real opportunity cost both economically and strategically. On behalf of the T, I respectfully but strongly urge support of this project. This is the defining opportunity for Semino Countyy's future and I encourage

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you to move forward with it. Thank you for your time and consideration. >> You're welcome. Thank you, sir. Name and address for the record. Uh >> Kurt Wixton, Orlando Lake Mary. Uh thank you for allowing me to speak today. I am actually speaking on behalf of Sky

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Buckner, so she's not bringing her enthusiasm, so I'm [laughter] stepping in on her behalf. >> You got big shoes to fill. That's all right. >> So keep it very brief. Um, from both a professional and personal perspective, it is important to recognize that our tourism industry is beginning to

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plateau. Without new demand generators, we risk falling behind neighboring markets that are aggressively investing in infrastructure to attract year-round visitation. The proposed indoor sports complex represents a critical and timely opportunity to reinvigorate demand,

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support long-term economic growth, and ensure Semino County remains competitive in an increasingly saturated market. This is not another project currently positioned to deliver this level of consistent year-round impact across

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hotels, restaurants, and local businesses. [clears throat] Excuse me. I strongly we uh encourage the board to move forward with urgency. Advancing this project without delay will allow us to begin marketing the destination, securing future business,

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and positioning Semino County as a premier sports tourism area. Thank you very much, >> manager. >> Sir, we'll report back that you did a good job and I think Commissioner Lockhart has a question. Commissioner, I have a question for you. >> Sorry. [laughter] Tell me, what is your role?

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>> I'm the general manager. I'm so sorry. That's all right. Well, you said you were here for Sky, and I thought, well, how fascinating. What do you do? Okay, fantastic. We've not had the pleasure of meeting before. >> Sky for like the real boss, right? >> Correct. That's right.

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>> Don't tell her that. [laughter] >> Corkage in the lobby. I'll leave it at that. Corkage in the lobby bar. >> All right. >> He laughed. He doesn't know how serious you are. >> Yeah, I am. I am dead serious. [laughter]

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>> That's good. Um, all right. So, does that conclude public comment? >> Yes, ma'am. >> All right. We'll close public comment, commissioners, for discussion. >> Well, >> we want to take >> Yeah. So, a couple of things. Um,

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I I appreciate so much the recognition that, you know, some individual comments that were made um may have presented uh a perception that there is somehow a a chance of this project going off the

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rails. Um, as every one of us will tell you, um, three votes beats a good argument any day on any elected board. And um if the majority of the board votes to move forward with this project, the entire board will be supportive of it in whatever fashion that that occurs.

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Um I've been on the losing end of some votes before, one or two. And um and that's just a part of being on a collective body where you have you have agreements and disagreements and you move forward. Um this project is not languishing.

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I want to be really clear that the exceptional work that has been done by our team with gee I like Prince better than share. I feel like that's more appropriate. um to to create an entire

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methodology and uh improvement district that has never been done to scale like this has been done in this community to gain the collaborative spirit and the consensus from all of the hotel years for the most part in in this county and that and the support the elected body

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the just it is remarkable the fact that we are here in quote three years time it is phenomenal. We're actually at a place where we're about to vote to move forward on a project that was not even conceptualized or thought of three years

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ago. So, I give huge kudos to everyone in this room that has had something to do with this project. Um, I I take exception to the idea that this is somehow slow rolling. Um, so kudos to everyone um who is who has brought us this far. Um I will also like to point

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out that booma uh Joe Abel is here who is a a former member of our team here in Semino County. Um that was absolutely a gamecher for this county for so many reasons in so many ways. Again a

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conceptual idea that seemed really really big and really really daunting at the time. And yet had people not done that and had the vision to move forward with Boom Ba, we would not have seen the success through the pandemic that we did, this county was able to stay

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[clears throat] afloat and operating in ways that no other part of this country was able to do because of our focus on sports and and particularly youth tourism thanks to the boom complex. So I see boom ba as as the method and the

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model to to emulate. Um I think it's be been was wildly more successful than when we ever thought it would be. Um and we had no private partnership in that project. That was that was government moving forward on our own. Talk about scary and stupid, right? Um although in

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hindsight, not so much. Um I just I'm [clears throat] as as concerned as Commissioner Her is on some things, I am I am bullish. I think this is awesome. Um, I'm excited about it. I think the return on investment for our community is is going to be exceptional and um and

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so that's that's my that's my cheerleader comment for this morning. Um although fun fact, I did not make the middle school cheerleading team. I I tried out and I didn't make it. So um so [snorts]

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I do have a few questions and and they They pertain to at what point in these requested actions we can flip different levers because to proceed forward with the development program presented and or

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as amended by the BCC. Well, unless you are asking for us to sit up here right now and start throwing amendments at you, which I think could be counterproductive, how do you how do you envision those amendments occurring if they occur?

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>> Yeah. If I may, um, this is not a whole lot different than any of the other capital projects we're doing. The county administration building is a good one. So, you we can bring these things back as a staff and do a lot of cherettes and go through and and vet them and and and go through

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those things take time and as staff, we can certainly do that. If time is if if express service is great and you want it super short and you love everything's perfect on the screen and go forth, I don't want any changes, we can do it that way. So the levers I think is the

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direction we're looking for. If the board wants to give that as we go through, you know, item two and three, those are relatively just flick the switch and as we get feedback from y'all, then we can tailor those conversations in there. But number one, we don't, you know, we don't know. We

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we've got the listening tour. We got the the briefings. We we've we've shown some ideas. But if more input is needed, we can certainly do it. We can do as many many of those things as you want. We can do them publicly. We can do it privately. That's the feedback we need. But it's uh it's not a simple yes or no

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answer. It's is how you like it. >> Okay. So, I will just quickly run through mine for you if that's okay and then we'll see where we go from there. Um again, I may be on the losing end of any one of these and that's okay. Um so I would proceed forward with the development program as presented with

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minor things that might come back to this board for um implementation in terms of value engineering at at when we when we get to that point. Um proceed forward with the architectural and engineering services proceed forward

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with the solicitation of CM at risk. Um I would also like to see us move forward with the purchase of the additional five acres. the the part that is not on uh okay number five with the additional parcels.

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Yes. But as we found with the boom ba um >> experience. >> Yeah. Well, as we started to try to, you know, pull those properties together,

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the the last man standing felt that they had quite a chip in the game. and it made it really hard to get all of the parcels needed. So, I would just proceed with some thoughtfulness about how that should

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occur. Um, I don't know if one by one is necessarily the best way to do that or not or if assembling them, you know, as a collective might might be more productive, but I'll leave that to the experts to decide what's best. Those are my my thoughts. >> Commissioner Delari.

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>> Thank you, Madam Chair. I want to talk about two people that are not here and that would be Bruce Wallow and Frank Sicion. Two stellar individuals in their own way. I'm sorry they're not named Sher, they're not named Prince,

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but they are named Bruce and Frank. Uh I will tell you that we started talking about what is now known as Bumba. They saw the writing on the wall early. wasn't the county staff, even though we all like to take credit for it.

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>> And I will tell you that they said that we need to have a full master plan of what tourism would look like, not just around the airport, throughout the whole entire county. And it was clear in conversations with them and the county staff as well. they

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presented to us is that Boom was phase one because they knew that rectangular fields, outdoor fields only [clears throat] serve a market that was th Friday or

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Thursday, Friday through Sunday. But to really capitalize this market to provide a demand to provide hotels because that's where not only the hotelers make money but we make money because of tourism tax, tourism development tax, sales tax. It just goes on and on and on. Uh that's where the real bread and

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butter comes is the hotel heads on beds. And if you don't have heads-on beds, you don't have tourism. You don't have tourism. We now become a bedroom community and many different aspects of it. Uh yes, we do have international uh parkway. Yes, we do have been focusing

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since the 80s about not being a bedroom community to Orlando, but that is only one aspect of economic development. The other aspect is sports tourism. I was here when we talked about sports tourism. I will tell you, I know had many conversations with Mr. Ael

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as well as our county staff about what is sports tourism. We're not competing with Walt Disney World, SeaWorld, Universal Studios, Island of Adventure. Go right down the list. uh uh the convention center. That ain't us. We doubled down and tripled down on

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sports tourism. And by doing that, when it came to the drive market, we owned it. We defined it. People look at us, our staff, our hotelers, our tourism groups, because regionally, if not statewide,

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they come to us and they ask us, "How did you do it?" And that was all these different studies that we're doing. In fact, I remember Commissioner Constine, you were pushing for volleyball back then and you were also pushing for us to move

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Bumba to I4. Remember that? >> And as Commissioner Lockard said, >> three votes be a good argument any day. And what I love about this group here, even though you may be on the short end

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of the vote, not the stick, the vote. Well, sometimes there's a stick involved. [laughter] >> Once the vote is cast, all five of us get behind that vote. Even if you're opposed to it, that's what I love about this board. That's what I love about

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this county in the seven cities. We are one organization, figuratively speaking. I will tell you that when the economy went down in '08 and again in 13, what really helped us was our sports tourism.

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What really kept the hotels running and operational during the pandemic was sports tourism. We doubled down. We actually hired people that instead of going through an outside agencies like we were doing with Paradise, I don't know if people remember that. We came in house and we hired a couple of young

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individuals. I'm not going to mention them by name even though they're sitting here in the room. They know who they are. They actually put us on the map for uh digital advertising. What they did with sports tourism was astronomical.

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What our staff has done with sports tourism is astronomical. What our hotel are doing is astronomical. I fully support this project. What happens now is that when we did this Hund report and we brought in all the other consultants, they said, "Okay, you want to grow tourism, you want to

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put heads on beds, you want to bring more hotels, you got to have more demand. We're not going to survive with Yeah, we could survive. It's just status quo about having what we do with ECNL, what we do with uh baseball, what we do

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with softball. We can survive just on weekends if that's what we really want. But you want to grow the economy. You want to grow sports tourism. You want to grow people to come here to actually get that tourism tax. But it's also the residents

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helping the residents pay for that sales tax. We're getting a 30% discount or a 28% discount plus or minus. So we have that 1 cent sales tax. We're also happy about we're getting a discount from our residents for our residents from people outside the community that's paying for

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this. We're doubling down. Why does Orange County do so well? Because of all the hotels. Because they've diversified with not just theme parks, but their convention center with the airport. Just goes on and on and on. You want to grow that sales tax where it's not on the burden of our

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property people. It's growing it from a tourism standpoint. I can tell you that the county manager and I were at we're in the Springs last night and we're talking about the gas tax and their first thing they asked was, "Well, what's in it for us?" Well, you got to grow tourism, you

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know? And we're going to discuss that later, I'm sure. I'm not going to get into >> Stay focused. >> I know, but I mean, I'm just I'm trying to paint the picture. I'm trying to paint the picture because it's like when you're individuals are looking for either part-time jobs or trying to grow a company or trying to get a a real job

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either in uh restaurants, convenience stores or hotel years. This is where they h this is where it's going to happen. This is going to grow the market from Monday through Thursday and then over the weekend. I mean all the reports we have it says that this indoor sports

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complex is the next booma. And yes, when we built Bumba, you know, it was like, you know, do we build it if they come or if they come when they build it? You know, what's the story? What comes first? Well, now that we have history, we know how to do this. Our staff knows how to do it. And Lord knows

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the hotelers know how to do it. So, I fully support this and I know Commissioner Lockhart, you did it very well going through these five different items. I'm fully supporting what you're saying on those all five different items. So, if we're on the losing end of sick, it's both of us. Okay. So, I mean,

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And let's be clear. I'm the only one that's up here questioning this and I'm not saying don't move forward with it. >> Commissioner I'm not saying can I finish? >> Let let me just I'm not saying it's you but there's always a lot of doubt and I want >> I'm no longer running the meeting.

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>> Well, you can run the meeting but I just want to make sure that I'm not focusing on any one individual. These are key things and I really believe that these key things will happen because of the plan that our staff and our hotelers have put together to move this thing

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forward. >> So I just want to get the elephant in the room. I have never said I don't want to move this forward. What I am questioning is and I'm going to take privilege and throw it on the table what I'm questioning.

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Can you pull up the alocart document and can somebody get it on the record? What is in this 175 mil and what is not? [clears throat and cough] Slide 10. [snorts] >> And now we're just crawling. Yeah, now

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it's crawling. >> And so the mezzanine $13.5 million [snorts] that's in it. >> The parking garage that's in it. >> No, >> it altered it. >> Understand? And I'm just getting it on

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the record, guys, cuz we said minor changes. So, it's really important that we understand this 8 acres >> right now. I mean, bringing it forward on on the number four, whatever it is is number four. That's five acres. >> That's in addition to >> that's that's in the number. These

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numbers are all the numbers were presented to you. Maybe it's if I may, I tell you what's not in it. Is that maybe a little easier? >> I'm going to go through this fair my way. It's It's in it >> because I've had this briefing three times and I don't have this down and I don't think we have it on the record. So, that's a yes.

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>> Uh but beach volleyball is a yes. >> Yes. >> Uh two additional That's a yes. >> Tiltwise was a yes. >> Yes. >> Additional land 14 acres. >> That's in the number as well. Yes. >> That's in the 175.

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$3,275 per seat for so this is the one we got into and this is the one that's >> I can't answer the question >> well and this is a sort of so I'll explain so that number that we've presented on there assumed making the space larger to accommodate both the

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space and the actual bleachers so the conversation it was almost kind of an it could be an eitheror so to speak with item I'm getting trying to get my eyes on it the basketball court so both Five and eight in the discussion were making the space larger. They're different ways

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of doing it. >> So, it's a no in the sense that we're not needing to add any additional space because we added number five. However, we are carrying money in the number to accommodate the actual bleachers themselves. When you look at $3,000 per

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seat, you go, "Well, that's an expensive seat." Well, no. It includes the building getting bigger. So, so that's why it's a yes. No. Bleachers are included in the program. We have that in the in the number that we gave you. We're not looking to include the building larger than what was just discussed on these other items.

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>> And how many seats are in the bleachers? >> So, we know that there's 2500. We have some generic holder places to put in there for potentially >> bleach. That's all I need. I promise that's all I need is the 2500, the holder numbers, etc. >> Oh, okay.

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So [clears throat] follow-up question because because the way you mentioned it it was minor I feel compelled to go down this path because this wouldn't be minor. What added value does the mezzanine give us in terms of sports tourism and the

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ability to attract tourists into this location because I'm hearing from folks in the community that want this that they're not sure it adds value >> scouting. So we can we can both take this and jump in where I so the problem with you look at a big space like that.

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Can you go back to the drawing of the big space if if you would >> view you know viewability gets to be a problem if you're a scout or a parent and your child's on a on a different area and a scout's probably more important. You have these big tournaments or collegebound tournaments these kind of combineish type things.

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They look at a lot of kids in there. the ability to move around the space and look at it as well as provide additional space maybe not sitting space but standing space has has some benefit and that's why our opinion of this was

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sightelines were difficult I can tell you as a hockey parent I'm a I'll call it I'm a retired hockey parent because my kids are older now >> we spent a lot of time on the mezzanine looking looking at the kids on on a rink and that was a very valuable thing on this as far as a number of facilities

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These mezzanines are included in their for the walking track aspect of it gives you double duty. It gives you the ability for local residents to have something walking clubs, things like that. We're not talking an NCAA running track. We're talking about you can take the same space and make it convertible.

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So, the space does a couple things. It provides better viewing access. It provides spectator access. And then it also provides the ability to have a localized amendy. Is there anything to add to that? I'd add the the um when you talk about the tournament aspect of things um what generally what the

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tournament folks and G you can probably speak to this as well are looking for is the ability to take both the scouts and those officials and separate them from the rest of the spectators and their ability to go ahead and conduct business and conduct their views separate from having to work their way through a crowd

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for example. Um, so that is almost becoming the standard, if you will, of a lot of the especially the high-end tournaments is making sure that there's a space at which th they can conduct their business and why they're there to view the games and do so without getting sort of mixed in with everybody else on

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the ground floor. Is that would that be fair? >> So, uh, as a proof of concept commissioner, we we have, uh, field hockey over at Bumba. The difference with field hockey being a traditional event are the college coaches that are

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here. So in the start of the year, that event is actually one of our premier events that runs alongside the girls soccer event at uh Silven Lake Park. So that event because of the coaches comes pretty close to a buyout of the

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Marriott. So because of that event they actually turned into a convention that multi-year the economic impact in there you're looking at hundreds of thousands converting into the millions. >> All right. So that's that is a fabulous

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answer. So increase in the TDD in the TDDT I'm switching gears just a little bit. the increase in the TDT, are we saying that that's going to go to pay for debt service? >> It certainly could. We uh project that

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that year one debt service would be paid $4 million from the hotels, the TID and the TDT. That's the minimum amount we would expect. And moving forward, yes. Uh any additional revenue generated by the facility could and should be paid towards the that service.

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>> Well, could and should. So when does that is that part of a minor? We're deciding that when when does that happen? >> It's part of the annual budget process. >> Okay. So So on the record, I am just going to say out loud so you can hear it

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directly from me and not through the conduits who perhaps got us down the path of I don't support this project. I do support the project, but the revenue that's being generated into these funds has to come back to support the debt service. that's nowhere near supported

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by the money that we put into the one fund. So when we come to budgeting time, please don't be surprised by that because that's the reality. We're paying for less than 40%. It's 37% of it. This

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is covered by these fund that the one fund and the rest of it is coming through the sales tax. >> Correct. >> Yes. 30% of which so now 30% of which comes from outside of the county but that the majority of that is being paid

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for by our residents. Correct. >> And the use of these facilities by our residents is really minimal and we all have to acknowledge that it is yes you're going to go there with your child to a local facility but that is a lifespan. There's a time you're a

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retired hockey dad. >> I was smart enough not to have kids that ever played sports. >> [laughter] >> And I was also smart enough never to try out for cheerleading because we all know I wouldn't have been picked. [laughter] Cheer for the damn team. Um so so I just

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want to get clear on the math at a later point. We're not going to talk about that today, but there's going to be an expectation around that return. All of these additions have to come back to feed this debt service. We can't be

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using it for something else. We can't be double committing. Um, so and all of the performers, correct me if I'm wrong, none of them include the debt service. >> That's correct. >> I would love to see those performers

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redone so they include the debt service so that we can get aligned around the idea of how much that is impacting the rest of the budget. Possible. >> Yeah, we can do that. Uh, I think I have gone through a good Oh,

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graduation AV. I'm switching gears here. I heard I think the word at some other point we'll figure out graduation AV. That may have been me dreaming that graduation AV is programmed into this because I don't want to get down the road and we can't host graduations there

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because you can't see your kid graduate sitting on the floor. >> So, you heard it from me during the briefing. So, you didn't imagine it. You heard it from me in the conversations with the school district. The conversations have centered around flat floor versus you know what they have now in there. So the AV is a is something

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that we're currently discussing what their needs are. We're holding money for those kind of things. In other briefings we talked a little bit more in detail about the need for sound, you know, to be able to mitigate through the space for video and things like that. The numbers we're giving you are healthy numbers to make sure we have the ability

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to do things and make decisions. They're good planning numbers to make sure we're at this junction. If we got into discussions and, you know, they they wanted something really, you know, outlandish, which I don't envision, then I don't know that I've got the numbers in there. But we are carrying numbers to

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handle AV stuff. We're going to need to talk as part of the design process to AV consultants and things like that to make sure everyone's expectations are met. >> And I'm continuing having conversations with the superintendent as well on the needs that that they need for that. So, and there could be potential partnership

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opportunities too in the future. So, we're everything's on the table. >> Absolutely. And I and I think from the very beginning we have promised our our community that this would be a facility that's wellreceived for graduations. It has to be as decked out for graduations

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as it is for >> correct >> the scouts. >> Correct. >> They they are our residents. >> Uh with that, I'm going to go down the line. >> Can I continue my question? Sure. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair. So, I don't know if I could ask Prince or Gee or

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whoever. Can we talk about the $22 return on investment? >> Somebody Tim, >> I'm sorry. Tim, >> yes. Poor Tim. >> Can you describe what where is that coming from? >> He looks like I feel >> it's the $2.4 billion impact that's paid

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in at the facility. Uh it's revenues to the hotels and the restaurants. It's the $2.4 4 billion total uh positive impact to the community over 30 years divided by the uh cost of the facility. >> Okay, great. Thank you. Uh the one the one real concern I have with all of this

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is time to market, time to open. I know that the county manager sent us a preliminary schedule. Uh what I'm concerned about is, you know, we've been talking about this on and off for 20 some odd years. We've gotten real serious over the last two or three

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years. Uh what I'm really concerned about, you know, we first started talking about this, uh other people are starting to come into the market. I want to make sure because in the conversations that I've had with our staff as well as events, ECNL as well as

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field hockey, you know, they do sign long-term agreements. I want to make sure that we have an actually a hard opening date so that I know and we know and staff can actually start booking events. >> Yes. Because if we're going to go past,

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you know, mid part of 2028, that's a totally different issue. And I want to make sure we're opening this thing quickly enough so that we can actually gain our true market share because that's what this is about. It's about market share. And I know there's another

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event that's hap another venue happening in Orlando. It's a smaller venue. Uh that's who's going to be one of our competitors as well as some other folks. And so the sooner we actually decide when we're actually having a hard opening, we can actually start selling

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dates. That's what we need to be doing because if we're going to be dragging this thing out, then I'm going to need to start rethinking this thing. >> So in the for the record category, the timeline that the county manager put forward in the documents yesterday starts today with this meeting. And then

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the timelines that I saw in there from a purchasing process were exceptionally tight. Yes, >> I know they're tight, but my question is I want to make sure that we're holding it tight. >> And I want to make sure that we actually know not just we're purchasing when we're actually being able to staff is

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going to be marketing this thing. So, we had hard opening dates. >> Correct. And then when we get the team on, when we get the designer on, architect, >> I mean, this devil's in the details, >> right? And we'll be bringing that back. >> I didn't bring up the the list. I didn't put it up on the screen because I know it's still a work in progress,

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>> right? I know that, you know, something may slip here and there. I think it can also be condensed. Correct. >> I'm expecting staff to bring it back to us. That's why I didn't talk about, you know, June or July or August. I didn't bring updates. >> Yes. >> As I bring updates, >> you can bring updates if you want.

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>> Bring it updates. Commissioner Zimbau, you've been very patient, >> which is unusual. >> Highly unusual. Yes. >> Thank you, Madam Chair, for the amount of time. Um, so to try to move this along, I I'm totally

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okay with all five points. Um, you know, the timing of this has a couple things that are dependent, >> which happens to be item four and five. >> Um, it's probably not lost on on my fellow commissioners

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because I've made it very vocal. This is not big enough in my opinion. Uh, I think it's a good start. has been talking about phasing and doing it in phase one, phase two, phase three. What I've learned since I've arrived here, unless you do it all in one phase, phase two and phase three never come to

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fruition. >> Amen. >> Um you can't get it done. But this is really a a piece of a puzzle of a bigger picture for this area as we have the Orlando Sanford International Airport

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which is going to continue to grow. We have the connector that's going to be coming into Lake Mary Boulevard. We are going to see all the economic development along Lake Mary Boulevard, not related to this project, which is going to be housing, multifamily and single family housing.

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This is going to be the key piece for the county. And as I went back and and reviewed arguments and and minutes from Boom Ba before I was ever here, there was a lot of discussion about that's too big, that's too much money, we shouldn't do

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that. And then fast forward multiple years and decades and people are like, man, we should have made that bigger. >> We should have bought more property. Um, and so I would only say that based on what staff has presented to me, and I've had a lot of questions, and I

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appreciate the ROI, because, you know, I was very adamant about that, that I think we're we're in a good place. Uh, I think we've still got some work to do, but the fact that we're going to have that discussion continuing moving forward as we move the project forward,

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I think it's going to be a benefit. As you're aware, one of the two things that I was very adamant about, I think we we still need to be taking a look at is long-term land leases with private entities on some of this to be help

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pushing the the dollars to the county and the taxpayer, but also looking at how we do get a parking garage. You've got a scenario where you may have this 4.9 or 5 acres. you got these other pieces that are 10 owners. You may not

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get that. If you don't get that, that's a whole different discussion on how this ultimately develops and plays out that may force us to a parking garage. So, I appreciate that it's an add-on consideration that we will

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continue to discuss. Um, so I'm I'm fully fine moving forward with all five with further reporting back to us and keeping us updated. Good work. Thank you very much. Commissioner Constantine. >> Thank you. >> Start with beach volleyball, please. We're all waiting. [laughter]

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>> He was I wasn't I wasn't going TO BRING THAT UP. >> I MEAN, I'm sure you were. I mean, Lee, you were quite the beach volleyball player back in the day. You actually were on the pro circuit. I remember. Correct. >> All right, let's get back on the road. Thank you, Mr. Constantine. First of

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all, the excitement that I feel is the idea of Florida that we are promoting here. You drive into that thing, you're not going to see the beach courts. You're going to see a beach next to a

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water facility. I mean, the the idea how I can I I envision this, you know, when people are coming in for the first time, they're going to be amazed. They're it's going to be a beautiful facility from just that standpoint. Forgetting about what the building looks

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like right now, just that standpoint because what we're trying to do is sell the facilities. People come back again and again. And when we when we're when we're bringing tourists from around the world, [snorts] they're going to come in. They don't want to be indoor all the

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time in basketball and and indoor volleyball. They want to go out and get a beach chair and sit out there on in the in the sand. So, I I'm just telling you I I'm excited about that. It wasn't mentioned. I'm excited about that because I think that really gives people

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a flavor of Florida. And, you know, to use I think that the one thing that I've always said and I many of my colleagues have said, flexibility. I mean, we've got so much flexibility in this. You know, you've talked about the number of different things we can do indoors,

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outdoors. You u Mr. Durr and I were talking yesterday. We've got sand soccer. We've got sand tennis. Um I put an overlay. There is. No, there's there's big sports coming into that. Yes. >> Sand tennis. >> Yes.

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>> How does that work? >> Yes. >> They hit it over the net. [laughter] >> I don't know how it works. They hit it over the net. I don't play it. But but sand volc and a lot of the people locally will use that. You talked about local, you know,

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use they'll use the outdoor facility. Let me talk about the the flexibility. I think we all heard how great Orlando I mean we just got Central Florida Sports Commission just got the six qualifiers. Correct. Okay. I went back and put an

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overlay of that outside camping world to this. We could do it here. We could do it here. I was talking to again Mr. Durr about you making sure that the parking facilities were had a flexible enough

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surface that we could use other sports. Give an example BMX and other things that you could use. Even you know another sport that's coming really exciting and people are using and could use the sand andor the is paintball

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tournaments all over the place. firefighter challenge. >> I I I was going to just say that. No, I would say we can move it from SSC and put it over here and and with a much, you know, easier opportunity. The greatest thing about this is an

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indicator of results, future results is past results. The one thing I heard from these gentlemen when I was going through it is this has a better rate of return than we were talking about with

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>> Booma. >> I mean think of that and boom escalated by far more than any of us would imagine. I see this as doing the same thing. We've got so many opportunities here and that's what we've done. Flexibility. Flexibility. And we want to

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continue as we go forward with these five things. We want to continue in the flexibility. I I just said I know many of you know that I I ran for 35 years an event one day a year at the Orlando uh uh camping world. Um and we had 10,000

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people there and we had 90 teams and we had six events. I could do it here. I could have put it on here with all the six events. The exact six events. Sounds like our first contract. >> No, no, no. That's, you know, well,

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maybe we'll talk about that and maybe we'll revise it, but that's that we've got a few years in advance to get this, but let's get it done. Let's get it done. And I think that the folks here today are excited about it. I'm excited about it. I know you're listening to my

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fellow commissioners, they're excited about it. I really I I I'm so impressed with the I know it's we've got a ways to go and anything can change, but the way we're designing it so that when you're

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driving up the just the the the view just makes me feel like we're we're promoting Florida. >> Commissioner Lockhart, >> um just a quick comment about the timeline. Um I understand there is a great sense of urgency. I want from my

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perspective, we need to do it right >> and I don't want to mess something up at the expense of feeling like we are moving so urgently that we miss something or don't do something well. So that would be my only >> noted and and with that I would be

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honored to make the motion to move forward with the five items as presented. >> Second >> hearing no further discussion. >> All those in favor? >> I >> opposed hearing none. passes unanimously and [applause]

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thank you to the team for all the work that you've done that got us here. Thank you to all of you for being patient through all of the questions. Um and with that we will recess the morning session. We will be call us back to order at [cough and clears throat] 1:30. Rick

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ladies and gentlemen. I am going to call this meeting to order. Ladies and gentlemen, please be seated. >> Please be seated. >> Ma'am, please be seated. Not you.

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Lockart. >> Thank you. All right. We are going to do our best to keep this train running on time, but I am going to ask for a little bit of flexibility this afternoon. We are going to start with public hearing uh

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legislative uh item number 32. We have in-house Mayor Mueller and city manager Kevin Smith from Lake Mary. Lori Bailey Brown is going to be presenting. I I'm a little bit ahead of myself. I was just making the announcement that 32 is going first so that we can let them go back

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running go back to work running the city of Lake Mary. Uh so with that we will officially convene the meeting. I I'm looking for uh proof of publication. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Motion and seconded. All those in favor? I >> I

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>> hearing none opposed passes unanimously. Exparte communication. Mine has been submitted electronically. What I had was submitted. >> Madam chair, I'll submit mine right now. >> So is mine. >> Mine was submitted electronically. >> Electronically as well, Madam Chair. >> All right.

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>> Paper. >> So exparte has been submitted electronically. With that, we'll go to uh public hearing legislative item 32 with this will be presented by Lorie Bailey Brown. And this is a good news item.

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>> Thank you. Good afternoon, Commission. Uh Lori Bailey Brown, administrative services director. The MSBU program brings this item to the board for consideration to adopt an ordinance to create the municipal services benefit unit assessment district to provide funding for lake

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management services on behalf of West Crystal Lake, which is located in Commission District 4. The hearing was publicly advertised on April 10th in accordance with Florida statute. West Crystal Lake is in the Lake Monroe wershed and is located in the city of

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Lake Mary. The request for establishing the MSBU was initiated uh by application in November of 2024 for lake management services. Watershed Division of Environmental Services evaluated the overall health of the lake and a community meeting was held in January

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with presentations from Semino County staff about the plans and proposed cost of lake ma maintenance followed by the petitioning process which received 69% response in favor of creating the MSBU exceeding the required 65% threshold to

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move forward. The assessment boundary of the proposed MSBU consists of 51 waterfront properties located in the city of Lake Mary, 49 residential and two city-owned. Each residential property is assigned

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one benefit unit and two city parcels are being assigned four and a half benefit units collectively. This MSBU will consist of only phase 2 services which are ongoing indefinitely. Phase two is a variable rate assessment

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subject to change annually according to site conditions and budgeted expenses. The estimated annual estimate to be levied on the annual tax bill is $675.85 per benefit unit. This is inclusive of

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the MSBU administrative fee of 7% and lake management startup cost of $10,000. In year two, lake management staff time is estimated at $15,000 per year and the city of Lake Mary included in their interlocal agreement a contribution of

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$5,000 towards those administrative costs. Staff requests the board approved the ordinance creating the West Crystal Lake Management MSBU. This concludes our presentation. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Uh Mayor Mal. Yes. >> Down here. >> Sorry.

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>> A little table. Hi. >> I couldn't tell where it was coming from. It's a little too >> announcing our legal expert, Deputy County Attorney Nissa Borcart, sitting in the cheap seats. >> Yes, thank you. Um, this request is

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twofold. It's for the adoption of the ordinance and it's also for approval of the interlocal agreement with Lake Mary for the MSBU with which authorizes the county to create this MSBU and which also um outlines our agreement that

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we've come to with the city of Lake Mary as far as having their city properties that are located on the lake um assessed in the same manner as the other properties around the lake are being assessed. Thank you, Miss Borurt.

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Would you like to speak? Did you have your hand up? I thought it was you speaking when it was >> Oh, no. I mean, I would, as the district commissioner, I would love to share if you're there. Yeah, absolutely. Um, I want to first of all thank uh the city of Lake Mary so much for your patience

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and uh your citizens have been incredibly um proactive and wanting to see the health of all of the lakes in the community be able to be managed and have a part in that. And this is um this is for those of you who are here who don't know what a lake MSBU is. It's

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where a group of residents who live on a lake choose to tax themselves uh for the benefit of that lake and its maintenance and making sure that it is um either rehabilitated or kept in in some type of format that it can really

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be a benefit to the entire community because all water eventually flows somewhere in the state of Florida and water doesn't know whether it's in the city of Lake Mary or an unincorporated seminal county and so we are all responsible for for the quality of that water, particularly when it hits water

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bodies like the Lockhart Smith Canal or the St. John's River or any of those, the um the quality of that water is something that we are judged on, frankly, um regularly. So, the fact that the community came together and initiated this and that we have been able to partner, thank you to the county

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attorney's office and the attorneys at the city of Lake Mary for seeing past what might be conventionally something that wouldn't be um able to be done. Um, but partnerships are really good. So, I'm I'm thrilled that we're here. I'm sorry it's taken so long, but thank you

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all for your work. >> Yes, Commissioner. >> I I would mirror that as well. I'm sorry. I think this is what, three years, almost four. >> It took a new county manager and a new county attorney to do it. >> This this not a threat, by the way. That's

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>> No, understood. Um, you know, sometimes we say government works slow. This this prime example of of working slow, but I'm glad that our county attorney's office found uh the ability to work with the city and get this taken care of

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because it is the right thing to do. At the end of the day, the the residents of all cities pay county taxes. So, we we are all in this boat. We're going the same direction. So, good to see you all here today. Thank you for your patience. Good work, Commissioner Lockhart, in

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your district. Good work, county attorneys. This is the what these are the things we should be doing to collaborate with our cities. Good work. >> In the spirit of collaboration, Mayor Miller, would you like to say anything? >> Madam Chair, David Miller, mayor of the city of Lake Mary, and I'm going to be

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very brief because I know there's a full agenda. First of all, profound thanks to all five members of this commission, especially our district commissioner, Commissioner Lockheart and our representative of this group, Commissioner York, have worked for

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several years. They've galvanized the community, the lakefront owners. But I will tell you right now, it would not happen in isolation. Very few things do. But the work of your county manager, the work of our city manager, both respective teams have allowed this to

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come together. And for that, we're forever grateful. This means so much to our community. I will have to tell you right now that I've had the opportunity to serve my community a very long time. This is something that was very, very meaningful

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to those residents of Lake Mary that have lived here a long time. They take this personally. Our by line is the city of Lakes. What you're doing today will allow us generationally to keep that by line active. And for that, we just simply say thank you. Thank you. Thank

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you. >> Mayor Miller, I'd be remiss if I didn't on behalf of the BOCC, thank you for your leadership, and you're always so gracious. It is always a pleasure doing business with you. Certainly on behalf of the citizens, but just generally. Uh M. Dger, do we have any public comment

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on this? >> No, ma'am. We do not hearing none. I'll look to the district commissioner. >> Thank you. Um I'd like to make a motion to adopt and authorize the chairman to execute the ordinance creating the West Crystal Lake MSBU um as well as approving the interlocal

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agreement with the city of Lake Mary. >> Second. >> And I see a nod from our county attorney. Any further discussion? >> All those in favor? Opposed? Hearing none. Motion passes unanimously. Congratulations and thank you for your leadership. >> Thank you all.

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With that, we will go backwards to item number 29. This is a a quasi judicial public hearing for LifePoint Christian Church special exception. Uh this is a commissioner Lockhart's district and will be presented by Hillary Peyton,

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planner. Welcome, >> Madam Chair. Afternoon. >> Sorry to interrupt. Before we start the quasi judicial items, would you like to go over the rules of engagement for quasi judicial hearings? Okay. Thank you. I don't just want to hear myself speak. >> Um, while the board welcomes comments

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from all persons with an interest in these proceedings, Florida law requires that the board's decision in quasi judicial actions be supported by competent substantial evidence presented to the board during the hearings on the applications. Competent substantial evidence is such evidence as a reasonable mind would accept as adequate

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to support a conclusion. There must be a factual basis in the record to support opinion testimony from both expert and non-expert witnesses. Persons presenting testimony may rely on factual information that they present, information presented by county staff,

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information the applicant presented, or on factual information included in the county staff report to support their testimony. All persons who present written materials to the board for consideration must ensure that a copy of such materials is provided to the clerk for inclusion in the board's record of

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the proceedings and the official minutes. Madam Chair, >> thank you so much. Go ahead. >> Good afternoon. Hillary Peyton, Planning and Development. This item is a request for a special exception for the Life Point Christian Church to allow an existing church to expand in the A1

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zoning district located on 2.44 acres located on the northwest corner of E. Williamson Road and Myrtle Lake Hills Road. The applicant is requesting approval of a special exception to expand an existing civic assembly use known as the Life Point Christian Church

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on 2.44 acres. The existing church structure is approximately 7,000 square ft in size with a seating capacity of 200 seats. The property also includes a 1,952 ft single family residence that's utilized as an office for the church.

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The applicant proposes to construct a new 6,400 ft building with a seating capacity of 250 seats to utilize for worship service. The original 7,000 7,000 ft² structure will be utilized for children's ministry activities during

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the worship services. The facility operates primarily on Sundays from 8:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. The church's office hours are Monday through Thursday from 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. The parking requirement for the assembly use is 63 parking spaces. The improvements

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to the site will provide 65 parking spaces meeting that requirement under the Seminal County Land Development Code. The site must also meet all other regulations under the land development code at the time of site plan. This includes drainage, setbacks, buffering, sightlighting, and others.

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In compliance with the Seminal County Land Development Code, section 30.3.5, the applicant conducted a community meeting on February 9th, 2026. Details of that meeting have been provided in your agenda. Section 30.3.1.5

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of the Semino County Land Development Code states that certain criteria must be met for the board of county commissioners to approve a special exception request. staff finds that the request meets the criteria of the recommend with the recommended conditions as stated in the approval development order.

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In addition to the typical conditions of approval for a special exception, staff is also recommending there be no outdoor sound amplification without a noise permit from the county. Staff has received nine letters of opposition. One is which is a petition with 47 names listed and three letters

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of support which have been provided to the board for your consideration. Those who we received letters from who provided their address in close proximity to this the church have been shown on the support and opposition map. The planning and zoning commission met

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on April 1st, 2026 and voted unanimously to recommend that the board of county commissioners approve the special exception based on the conditions as stated in the staff in the development order. Staff requests that the board of county commissioners approve the special exception and associated development order as per the motion on the screen.

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This concludes my presentation. I'm available for any questions. >> Thank you very much, commissioners. Any questions so far? >> Is the applicant here? >> Name and address for the record, sir. >> Uh my name is Phil Ays, uh 150 Sunset Drive. I'm the pastor at Lifeoint

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Christian Church here representing the congregation. Um good afternoon. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. Thank you for your time and your diligence and careful consideration for this matter. Uh we're here to request a special exe exception to allow a modest expansion to our

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existing church facility. This is um an expansion we believe is responsible in scope. It's compatible with the surrounding area and consistent with our longstanding presence in the community. Our proposal is to construct a 6,400

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square ft sanctuary for primary use on Sunday worship services. The space will seat approximately 250 people and will replace our current worship space which seats about 200. It will include a foyer, restrooms, a small video room, a

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nursing mother's room. There are no classrooms included in this new structure. For context, our existing facility is just over 7,000 square feet. So, this is not a large-scale expansion, but we believe it's a practical next step to better accommodate our growing

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congregation. Uh, before I go further, I'd like to address a concern that has been raised in the community. There's been some confusion suggesting that this project is intended to expand into a private school or a higher intensity weekday operation. I want to state clearly this

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is not an expansion of a school. It's a modest expansion of Sunday worship space. We do operate, excuse me, we do not operate a traditional private school. We offer a homeschool resource program that meets only on Tuesday and Thursday mornings. It provides

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supplemental instruction for families who are already homeschooling their children. That program is not being expanded as a part of this proposal. From a land use perspective, this project does not increase weekday intensity, which is why it was determined during the county's

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pre-application review that a traffic study was not required. We understand that traffic is a concern in our area, especially given the nearby elementary school and the challenges at the intersection of EE Williamson and Myrtle Lake Hills Road. That matters to

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us as well. Uh, as both the pastor of Lifepoint and a resident of the Shadow Hill neighborhood nearby, I personally experienced those same traffic patterns and I share in those concerns. But this project is designed to serve our congregation primarily on Sundays and does not introduce any additional

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weekday demand beyond what exists already today. By a brief way of background, we began in 2002 meeting at Bentley Elementary School in Sanford. From there, we moved to a theater and then we spent several years at the YMCA as a congregation. In

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2013, we purchased our current property in order to establish a more permanent presence uh permanent presence and better serve our community. And over the past few years, we have seen steady, healthy growth, particularly among young families, which led us to begin planning

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for additional worship space through a capital campaign we called next. Our goal has simply been to continue serving the next generation well. Uh over the past 15 years, our vision has been simple. Focused on Christ faithful in the community. We take both parts of that seriously. We are

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committed to not only worship and teaching but to being a good neighbor in our community. We regularly open our facility to serve others in the community. We host uh other church congregations weekly. We provide space for HOA meetings. We support groups like scouts and we serve as a polling

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location as well. Plus, we also provide ongoing benevolent support for both our church members and others in the community, helping with food, rent, and other needs. We've never turned away anyone who's come to us in need. At its core, then this request is modest,

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clearly defined expansion to serve our existing congregation primarily on Sundays without increasing weekday intensity or altering the character of our surrounding area. We are committed to transparency. We're committed to being good neighbors and to continue

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serving this community well. So, we respectfully ask for your approval. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you so much. Stay close. We may need you back. Not that close. You could have a seat, but stay close. >> Um, Miss Dreger, is there public

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comment? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Please call them three at a time. James Gromlich, Steven Ducker, and Richard Hoffman. >> Thank you, sir. You have three minutes and if you would just be mindful of the direction given to you by our county attorney >> and go nullles.

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>> Yes, ma'am. >> Name and address for the record. >> Yes, ma'am. James Gromlick, 382 Westwing Court, Lake Mary, Florida 32746. Uh, thank you for this opportunity to be heard. Um, now if I can only read my writing. Um, good afternoon. Thank you

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for the opportunity. Oh, I just said that. As a 60-year-old Florida native, um, I know the difference between growth for growth's sake and growth that serves public interest. Um, I was born in Miami, moved here in the 90s, and have lived in Florida my entire life. Um, I

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understand growth is an issue. Growth is a problem, but growth is also what feeds our communities. Um the growth at LifePoint has happened recently over the past couple of years with families with small children. Uh we are out of room to

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have classrooms for children. Um I have served at Life Point since uh since we started in 2002. Um I have been an elder, taught Sunday school, uh run sound, empty trash cans, do whatever needs doing. Um we just we need room for

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our kids area. Um and and to that end, we want to move our adults out of that building, move our adults to a new building on site. Um so that we can renovate the existing uh building to be children and families only. Um that's

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for the safety of our kids. Uh right now, our lobby runs right through our kids area. Um we want to provide a more secure environment um for the children and um a better place for them to learn. Um, I would encourage you to approve the

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special exception for Life Point Christian Church. Um, and thank you for your time. >> Thank you. >> Next speaker, name and address for the record, please, sir. >> Yes. Steven Ducker, 1325 Summer Tree Court, Longwood, Florida. So, uh, I was

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unable to attend the zoning meeting had co I did go to the community meeting. I just got a few concerns to address bring up. So, looking at the conceptual plan, it shows a or it says in there that was going to be a 30 foot height. When you

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look at the uh uh look at the drawing they made of it, it doesn't appear to be bigger than the other buildings, but none of them buildings are 30 foot high. Uh parking. So, the parking that they're putting to accommodate is only for the new building

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that I can see. So the number of people attending the attending a worship uh they're providing so many spaces but that that wouldn't cover existing building whatever use that's using kids whatever

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uh and the parking is going to be shell parking. Uh I do appreciate the fact that that allows water to pass into the ground a little bit and not uh run off the property. Uh, however, it doesn't look very good. So,

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some of the parking they got now, they got shell on it. And of course, they're going to be expanding the parking. Basically, the the expansion here is going to cover the entire property with some kind some kind of building parking or retention pond.

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Uh, going to lose a lot of green space. It's a nice looking property right now. I've lived there for nearly 40 years. I've lived in the Bay Lagoon neighborhood. I'm I'm on the neighborhood that actually butts up to the back of the property.

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So, our biggest concern or one of our big concerns is the drainage. We actually now have a problem where properties are getting flooded in the back of the property uh back of the subdivision and ab budding Woodlands

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Elementary especially when they uh added the new little small subdivision there. Although improving the retention pond there helped with that. Uh traffic. I mean, if the if traffic turns out to be a problem, maybe they

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put a cop out there on the weekend on Sunday to help get uh people in and out. I almost got hit just walking my dog at what would be what would be the most dangerous intersection there. People are looking and they're not even looking for pedestrians. You may have pedestrians

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going to the church also. And uh it's a conceptual plan you got right now. So, not really a final plan. I mean, they don't want to put the bucks into the final plan for the building and the location of everything, but I'm

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wondering if if there would be a hearing once they have a final plan with the actual building they intend to build. Right now, it's all conceptually. So, uh you know, right now, like I say, the building doesn't look any taller than

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the others and it says it will be. So, those uh those are my pro those are my issues. Thank you so much for your input, Mr. Dreger. Next speaker. >> Next is Richard Hoffman and then Ronald Stein. >> Hi, my name is Richard Hoffman. I live

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at 1372 North Marcy Drive in Longwood. Uh we are in the Bay Lagoon subdivision which abuts uh Life Point Church. U when I came in, we had a form to sign which said, "Are you in favor or are you against? Do you need to add a check box?

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Said maybe. Um, and I appreciate the commissioners allowing us a little bit of time to talk about special circumstances, which I believe our neighborhood has. Our properties that abut on the northwest side

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have concerns about flooding from the current site plan. There is a retention pond that will be on the other side of my fence. facing life point. Um

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it's large. Take a look at the plan. Um our concern is overflow is the storage of that and the special circumstance we have is that our properties Mr. Stein who will speak next and I have our lawns

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20 feet lower than the church property. So, I'm sure that now we get some of the percolation and runoff into our backyards, but putting this large retention pond right behind the residential area is a real concern and a

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special need uh in my view. Um, somebody recently said something very wise. Um, all water in Florida eventually flows somewhere. And >> what was that? concern is it's going to

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flow into our yards and it's going to create a flooding problem. So, um the maybe is if they will take a look at the specific plan, the architectural contract contractor plan and see if they

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can put the retention pond not up against the residential area. This church borders two roads, no residential property, but this is planned to abut residential property. And we just would request, we know this will be

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approved, um the zoning change, um that your staff take a look and work closely with the church's leadership and the contractor to see if there's an alternative to how it's currently uh proposed. So that's our special

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circumstance that we wanted you to be aware of. I do know that the county has water hydraulic engineers. They could take a look at the property percolation and what may what you may want to do as an alternative. Thank you very much.

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>> Thank you for being here. Next speaker, sir. Name and address for the record. >> Good afternoon. My name is Ronald Stein. live at 1374 North Marcy Drive which is

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directly behind the church. I'm a resident of the Bay Lagoon subdivision. My property is adjacent to the northwest portion of the church property. It's important to note that my property sits, as Dick mentioned, my property sits

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approximately 25 ft lower in elevation as compared to the church property. I do have several concerns with the current proposal, specifically the retention ponds. The new building is planned for the

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south side of the existing church structure. Additionally, the proposal includes a retention pond and paved parking areas. The retention pond is to be situated on the north side of property of the property between the

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existing church and my property. I strongly object to the placement of a retention pond in the proposed location. During periods of heavy rains or storms, hundreds of gallons of water will potentially percolate down to my property and those of my neighbors given

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the difference in elevation. Heavy rainfall will cause water from the paved parking area to flow north, increasing runoff towards the propension the proposed retention pond. Currently, rainfall is distributed evenly over the

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entire church property. Water naturally percolates down towards the path of least resistance. A retention pond would more than likely direct percolation down to the adjoining properties. I would strongly request that an alternative to

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a retention pond be investigated before approving the project. Thank you. >> Thank you, >> Mr. Dreger. Does that conclude our speakers for this item? >> Yes, ma'am. Thank you so much. Uh for the applicant, would you like to respond to the concerns?

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>> Name and address for the record. >> Sure. Rick Dixon, 102 South Orange Street, Neworna Beach. I'm the project engineer for the project and as was mentioned previously, this is just conceptual in nature. Has the components that will be used for the site and the site design. Um, at this point, you

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know, no detailed design has really taken place. So, we will take into consideration these comments and look at um the final design to make sure it meets all of these people's concerns and the requirements that are will be pertain to the project >> and most specifically the elevation as

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it relates to the neighbor's elevation. >> Correct. >> Thank you. >> Anything else? Yes. >> Yeah. So I since since you are the engineer um I do have a question in reviewing the community meeting uh questions and the summaries that were

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provided to us in our agenda packet. One of the questions is specifically could the retention pond and building be switched in locations. The answer that was given at the community meeting was it depends on the results of testing design alternatives will be developed that meet the St. John's water

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management district and seminal county criteria. Is that still the correct answer? >> Correct. >> So, so if there if what is being proposed causes any type of negative impact to the neighbors, you would have to redesign it. >> Correct. >> Okay.

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>> Menture. >> Yes. Mr. Delari, >> I have a question. If not for the project engineer, but for our engineers, we had a similar project. You may not be aware of it. happened several years ago on Tuscala Road down by Aloma. We were

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building a small subdivision right up to a daycare and the pond was elevated and it met all the code and then a storm came through and it actually breached the wall of the pond and it flooded the neighborhood.

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And part of it was the uh construction and the way it was engineered met all the code requirements. But how do we ensure that this doesn't happen in this area? >> I don't see the county engineer there. >> Somebody Joe's here. >> Joe Lefas's here.

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>> Our our assistant county engineer. He'll come up. >> He's taking the long walk. >> Taking a long way. Joe thinking about it. Well, such a question deserves a thoughtful answer. >> Absolutely.

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>> Absolutely. >> Well said. Well said. Because the water's got to flow. >> Yes. So, Joe Lefaso, assistant seminal county engineer, uh, public works. So, again, as you rightly mentioned, I was not at the county at the time that that particular subdivision was designed, permitted, constructed. Um, so this is

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why obviously we have very great permitting staff here. We have good public works staff here. we will work with them you know now in the knowledge right so one thing we do have is experience >> so this your concern has been brought to our attention the concerns of the residents are brought to our attention um the storm water permitting and design

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rules have changed since that time >> that was only about uh five six years ago if I remember right >> correct and I think around two or three years ago St. John's actually altered the rules in terms of the permitting requirements. So after that, you know, was done, then the rules were changed.

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So we're going to follow all the new rules and then obviously we're going to make sure that okay, this is now a known scenario, right? It's not an unknown. We've had something like this happen. So how do we address it? And there's multiple techniques you could use depending upon again what's what their investigation finds on the site in terms

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of the groundwater, the soil characteristics. So I can't make a specific diagnosis until we have >> I'm not asking you to. I just want to make sure that we're paying attention to it so that this doesn't become an issue as we move forward. >> Right. And we will absolutely take all this into consideration and as we go

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forward, we'll look to see that that will not be an issue in this particular case. >> Thank you. >> Thank you so much. >> You're welcome. >> Commissioner Lockhart. Any other questions from our commissioners? Ma'am, >> thank you sir.

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So, you've closed public comment. >> I've closed public comment. >> Okay. Um, with that, I would like to make a motion that based on staff's findings and the testimony and evidence received today at the hearing that the board finds the request meets the identified portions of the land development code. And I move to approve the special exception and associated

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development order to allow with conditions the use of a community civic assembly church in the A1 zoning district on approximately 2.44 acres located on the northwest corner of EE Williamson and Myrtle Lake Hills Road. Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any

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further discussion? >> Hearing none. All those in favor? I opposed. Hearing none. It passes unanimously. Thank you all for being here from your community. We did hear you and we appreciate you doing this. >> Thank you. >> The next item is item number 30, the

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Sandy Lane Homes reszone. This one will be presented by Caitlyn Abgar, senior planner, and she's making her way up to the podium. If you are here to speak on this item and you have not turned in a yellow form to Miss Drager in the front, you will not be called on. So, we do ask

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that you turn in your form. We won't be uh taking forms turned in later on in the day running up to the podium, etc. How many speakers do you have? >> I believe 16, chairman. >> Okay, 16 so far. All right. Thank you, Caitlyn. I'll turn it over to you.

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>> Good afternoon, Caitlyn Abgar, Planning and Development Services. The applicant is requesting the approval for a reszone from A1 agriculture and R1A single family dwelling to MM missing middle for a proposed single family

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residential subdivision of 24 lots. >> The property currently has a zoning designation of A1 agriculture and R1A single family dwelling district. The subject property has a future land use of lowdensity residential. This future land use supports the proposed missing

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middle zoning district. The low density residential future land use allows for a maximum density of four dwelling units per net buildable acre. The applicant is proposing a overall density of 3.88 dwelling units per net buildable acre.

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The property is currently developed as a single family home. The applicant proposes to develop the site as a single family residential subdivision having a maximum of 24 single family lots. The the applicant is

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proposing a minimum lot width of 57 ft with a minimum lot size of 6,500 ft square ft. The site is located in Semino County's sewer utility service area and se Sunshine Waters water utility service area. The site will be required to

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connect to public utilities. An agreement for billing of sewer will be required between the county and sunshine water services during final engineering plan review and prior to the approval of the utility agreement for sewer sewer service. The development will have a primary access onto Sandy Lane which is

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classified as a local road. A secondary right in and right out only access is proposed onto Sand Lake Road which is classified as an urban major collector. Please advise the previous iteration of the staff report and presentation at the

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planning and zoning meeting indicated incorrect information regarding level of service for this road section. After updated staff review, it was provided that Sand Lake Road is currently operating at a level of service A to C at this roadway section. Additional improvements to Sand Lake Road may be

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required during the time of subdivision process. There is an existing sidewalk along the adjacent portions of Sand Lake Road and Sandy Lane. Therefore, the developer will be required to connect the sidewalk along both property frontages. The missing middle zoning district

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requires a minimum of 8% net buildable acreage be provided as open space. Landscape buffers are not required based on the intensity of the development. Open space and buffer criteria will be evaluated further during the time of final engineering. Semino County Public Schools provided a school impact

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analysis for the proposed project. The analysis concluded that the students generated by the project would be able to be accommodated without exceeding the adopted level of service at this time. Potential constraints and obstacles of development such as grading site elevation and level of service of Sand

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Lake Road may present challenges. However, in staff's analysis, these considerations do not preclude the site's compatibility with the overall intent of the missing middle zoning district. The development plan is subject to change and further review of required criteria during subdivision

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processes. Please note this slide was an addition to the original slideshow, so you may not have it in your printed agenda package. The intent of the missing middle zoning district per the county's adopted land development code is as stated on the above slide. The definition refers to the encouragement

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of a variety of housing choices and promoting affordability without additional subsidy. The development will be required to meet standards per land development code as outlined in the following slides. As a summary, the applicant is providing one typology single family in a residential

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tract no bigger than 5 acres. The project is not proposed to be gated. The provided conceptual development plan proposes a minimum of 8% net buildable acres as open space and will provide pedestrian connectivity to open spaces in existing sidewalks. The internal

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right ofway is designed to establish connectivity from Sand Lake Road to Sandy Lane. The overall design of the development is consistent with the intent of promoting connectivity and accessibility to adjacent streets and roadways. While stubouts were not provided to the two vacant lots to the northeast, access to those parcels are

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not inhibited by this development. One vacant lot retains frontage on Sand Lake Road, while the other retains frontage on both Sand Lake and Sandy Lane, while the the overall the overall development still meets the intent of the missing middle zoning district via the

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implementation of the block design through connectivity to Sand Lake Road and Sandy Lane. The applicant is aware of the two-story limitation and is only proposing one typology in this development. Additional site and building requirements will be evaluated during

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the final engineering stage. For reference, I have included the specific criteria from the code on these slides. The applicant has demonstrated compliance with the open space requirements and has made a note on the conceptual plan that references the provision of street trees. Specific site details will be evaluated

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during final engineering inclusive of minimum parking requirements and building frontage. Consistency with the comprehensive plan is achieved through comprehensive plan policies projected on the slides above. The proposed MM zoning is consistent

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with policy flu 4.2.1 by reduces by reducing lot sizes to allow for more compact site plans while adhering to the overall density in the area, adhering to the street tree requirements, and providing for a complimentary missing middle typology within existing neighborhoods. The

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request meets the trend of single family dwelling unit development in the surrounding neighborhoods while maximizing usable density within the allowable limit. The subject site is approximately 1,900 ft as the crow flies from the nearest boundary of the urban centers and corridors overlay. The

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proposed reszone supports encouraging a wider range of housing choices in and around the centers and corridors overlay which meets the intent of flu policy 4.2.1A. The proposed MM zoning classification acts as a transition in zoning for the

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surrounding trend of development in the area by st staying consistent with both the permitted uses and density provisions of the lowdensity future land use designation while allowing for more dwelling units to be achieved through flexible site standards. The proposed development is located

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within the aquifer recharge overlay and a note has been made on the development plan stating compliance with the maximum imperous surface ratio of 60% in compliance with flu policy 2.3.12b3. Staff finds the proposed MM missing middle zoning classification to be

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overall consistent with the comprehensive plan. In compliance with seminal county land development code section 30.49 community meeting procedure. The applicant conducted a community meeting on September 23rd, 2025. Details of the

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community meeting have been provided in the agenda package. The planning and zoning commission met on April 1st, 2026 and voted to recommend the board deny the requested reszone. The minutes from this meeting have also been included in the agenda package.

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Please advise staff did also receive additional letters and communications of opposition postaggenda publication. These were sent yesterday via email to commissioner's aids, but a physical copy has been presented for the record. Staff requests the board of county

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commissioners adopt an ordinance enacting a reszone from A1 agriculture and R1A single family dwelling to MM missing middle as per the following motion based on staff's finding and the testimony and evidence received at the hearing. The board finds the request is consistent with the comprehensive plan

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and meets applicable portions of the land development code and moves to adopt the ordinance enacting a resone from A1 agriculture and R1A single family dwelling to MM missing middle on approximately 7.54 acres located on the west side of Sandy Lane and south of Sand Lake Road.

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That concludes my presentation. >> Thank you very much, Caitlyn. Very well done. Commissioners, any questions for our team at this point? No. Do is the applicant here and would he like to present is really a rhetorical question.

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>> Good afternoon, Madam Chair, fellow commissioners. For the record, Brent Spain, Theak in Spain, 1809 Edgewater Drive, Orlando, Florida. Um, as I indicated the PNZ hearing one, first I want to

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give my appreciation and thanks to Miss Abgar, the project planner on this. As you all know, I've I've been before you many times. I've practiced around the state and a lot of times you get a staff report that is superficial or conclusory. And a lot of times someone like me, my

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job is to go through and fly spec the staff report try to find additional policies or provisions in the code whether I'm representing neighbors or developers to point out to you all. And I can tell you as I indicated the PNZ, this was one of the staff reports where

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when I fly specked it, it matched up almost verbatim with my notes internally. So kudos to your staff on doing a thorough review. As Miss Epcar indicated, the request before you uh this afternoon is a reszoning uh taking

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the split zoning of A1 and R1A and asking for mm or missing middle on the property. The property consists of approximately five net developable acres. It's at the corner of Shady Lane and Sand Lake Road. and the proposal

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before you as indicated on the conceptual plan which I think this is important because there's been some uh misunderstanding regarding what my client is proposing but it's 24 detached single family homes. So some of

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the email correspondents I saw up on the county's website suggested that it was lowincome high density affordable housing. Nothing about the request this afternoon is changing the density on the property. The density is established by

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the county's comprehensive plan, the future land use map, which is low density residential, which is up to four dwelling units per acre. There also have been suggestions that we are proposing live local act housing, which is not the case. We're not proposing town homes.

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We're not uh proposing quadplexes, triplexes, anything of the sort. In fact, we stipulated uh before the PNZ that we would comply with the conceptual site plan that's in the packet and was shown during Miss Agar's

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presentation, which again shows 24 detached single family lots. And all but five of those lots, I think it's important to mention, are 60 feet wide. Uh they're not 40 foot, which some people have indicated or have expressed

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a concern under the missing middle regulations. Five of the lots are 57 ft wide and that's actually stipulated as a notation on the proposed conceptual plan. The primary access, one of the issues that got brought up at PNZ was

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traffic. So I want to touch upon that as we walk through it, but the primary access of the project is on Shady Lane. If we could bring up the site plan >> Sandy Lane, I'm I'm there. Sand Lake

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Road is a right in right out at the north of the site plan and the primary entrance is off to the east. A couple of the provisions Miss Abgar indicated and touched upon, but I want to touch upon because there's several folks speaking here this afternoon is

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when you look at the land development code and unfortunately or fortunately we're the first missing middle project that I'm aware of in the county. This is a newer zoning district in the land development code. But you look at section 30.8.3 8.3 and the intent and I

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think it was one of Miss Agar's slide is quote to encourage a wider range of housing choices in central locations and I would respectfully submit that this proposal meets that intent wholeheartedly. Secondly, section 30.8.32

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provides a single family detach housing is allowed in missing middle which is exactly what my client is proposing. Section 30.8 8.33 indicates that a final development plan is required. The conceptual one is on

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the screen for the commission. But that section is important because it also indicates that the applicant been can be held to comply with any conditions of approval. So that was one issue that got brought up at the PNZ was whether or not the county could actually condition this

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type of zoning approval. And I would submit under section 30.8.3 8.3.3 that the commission can and that's important because uh PNZ member Richard Sherman had asked us to stipulate on the record that in fact it would be single

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family detached housing and would not be a bait and switch and suddenly become a triplex or quadlex. So I would submit I'm authorized to stipulate the same today and we would certainly welcome that as a condition of approval. Uh the last land development code

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section I want to mention is 30.8.3.4 which again ties the uses that are allowed in the missing middle district to the underlying future land use category. in this case, low density residential. And there's a table in the

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land development code that states what's allowed. And again, detach single family house housing is an allowed use in missing middle. And then briefly, I want to touch upon just a couple comprehensive plan policies because again, my client's burden here this afternoon, as you all

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know, is to show that we comply with the land development code and the comprehensive plan. So, the first uh policy is feature land use policy 4.1.1, which again I think Miss Abgar touched upon, but that provision in part says,

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quote, "The county shall encourage infill by maintaining future land use and zoning districts that enable compact walkable land use patterns." And then that policy specifically mentions the missing middle zoning category. Again,

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we submit that this proposed development does further policy 4.1.1 by maintaining the land the LDR future land use density and creating a walkable area. As Miss Efgar indicated, it's only

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1,900 ft from a urban center. Flute policy 4.2.1, 2.1 which again Miss Egar mentioned the whole intent of the missing middle district is to provide greater greater housing choices in existing neighborhoods.

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But one some of the language I want to emphasize this one sentence in particular because this essentially was a policy finding by the county and I'm quoting quote missing middle housing complements the character of already existing neighborhoods while slightly

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increasing density and walkability. And again, my client's project is not actually seeking to increase any density on the property, but again, there's a finding in the county's comprehensive plan that missing middle housing

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actually complements the character of already existing neighborhoods. That will turn me to uh the traffic issue because traffic was brought up at the hearing before the PNZ. There were some questions about why we didn't do a traffic study and our response at the

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time was quite honestly that the county's land development code doesn't require this project to do a traffic analysis. Nonetheless, uh, since the PNZ hearing, and I will hand nine copies to the clerk.

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Thank you. We actually had Walsh Traffic Engineering do a traffic analysis of the proposed 24 unit subdivision. And the traffic study which was completed on May 6th

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confirms one the reason why a traffic study is not required in the first place but secondly that the trip generation from this project is dimminimous. You know, looking at page two on the talks about trip generation

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at 24 drilling units, you have 16 outbound AM peak hour trips and then you have 16 inbound PM peak hour trips. This is important. There was questions or issues raised about the school nearby. The PM peak

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hour trips do not coincide with when school releases. So the PM peak hour incoming trips are 16 incoming vehicles. That's about one car every four minutes, which I would submit is dimminimous when

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you compare it to a regular development project. Again, you heard uh Miss Agar indicate that the PNZ PowerPoint presentation unfortunately had a erroneous reference to the level of service on Sand Lake

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Road suggesting that it was operating. I think it said at C to F during certain hours when in fact uh that level of service analysis has been updated and Sand Lake Road this stretch is actually operating between A and C level of service. But we asked our traffic

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engineer, it's on page four of the report. We asked the traffic engineer to look at three different things. One was the existing roadway analysis. That's the first uh sort of chart there on page four. and the traffic engineer confirmed

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that that roadway is operating within acceptable levels of service. We then asked the project engineer to project out to the anticipated buildout of this project, which is 2028,

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and factor in background trips that are anticipated on that roadway. And that's what's in the middle of page 4. And again, when you add in the background trip generation onto Sand Lake Road as of 2028,

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the analysis confirms that Sand Lake Road is operating within its acceptable levels of service. We then asked our traffic engineer to go one step further and take the trip generation from the 24 proposed single family dwelling units

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and add it into the traffic generation as of 2028, including the background trips. And that's at the bottom of page four. And you'll see again when you take the existing trips, the projected background trips, and our anticipated

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trips in 2028 at full buildout that Sand Lake Road continues to operate within its level of service. In fact, when you look at the roadway capacity, the the complete service volume is about 19,000 vehicles and it looks like the total

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background volume's at about 135 or so. on our trip. Our trip generation again is only a couple hundred trips per day. So again, with that said, I would respectfully submit that the traffic concerns that were raised at PNZ and now

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confirmed by city staff this afternoon that the roadway on Sand Lake operates within the level of service that our proposed uh 24 unit subdivision does not create any traffic problems on Sand Lake Road. And the last thing I would mention

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before just reserving time for rebuttal and answering any questions is that the P&Z if you all I know the minutes were in your guys packet. The motion to deny was on to recommend denial was on three grounds. One was on traffic/school

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safety issues. And again I'd submit we didn't have a traffic analysis then because we weren't required to do one. We have since done one. The traffic issue that was raised was Sand Lake Road. It was not the other roadway. And the traffic analysis confirms that there

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is not a traffic issue on that roadway with with respect to the adopted levels of service, which is what a developer is required to comply with. I'm not suggesting that no one sits in traffic. I sit in traffic. The second issue was

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the concern about setting a precedent which respectfully I would just submit is not a review criteria. And secondly, as I indicated, we're the first missing middle project to come through the county. So inherently the first person in the door arguably is

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always setting theoretically a precedent because missing middle has never been approved yet. But county staff responded to a question at the PNZ hearing and indicated that they're not aware of any other surrounding properties that have asked for missing middle. There's no

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other application pending seeking missing middle. But then they did obviously and correctly say that they can't state unequivocally that no one else would ever ask for missing middle. And then the last reason for the motion

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to recommend denial was a concern that this project may potentially reduce the county's budget, which respectfully presumably through decreased tax revenue, which I would just submit is not again a review criteria in the

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county's code or comprehensive plan. And respectfully, there wasn't any evidence that this project would do that. It was simply a speculative concern. So, I would respectfully ask this board, consistent with Miss Abgar's staff report, to approve the

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reasonzoning. Again, our burden is to demonstrate that we're consistent with the land development code and the comprehensive plan. I think Miss Abgar's written staff report as well as our presentation demonstrates that that as your county attorney can confirm is competent, substantial evidence. And

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then on the traffic issue, I believe the uh May 6 traffic study that we've submitted demonstrates that there is no uh level of service issue on Sand Lake Road. So, I appreciate your patience as I walk through that. And myself as well as the developer, Mr. uh Jordan, are

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here to answer any questions. >> Thank you. Uh board members, any questions for the applicant at this time? >> Yes, ma'am. Um I I do have a question about um the the choice of missing middle

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um because you had R1A. What what is it that caused you or propelled you or maybe this is a better question for for the developer to choose missing middle? >> Yeah, I can I can try to respond to it, Commissioner Lockhart, because it came up at PNZ and there's a number of

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factors. one in exploring potential zonings on it. The feedback we got was that a PD or plan development was not preferred to go on that property. >> And I'm sorry that you received that from whom? >> Yeah, I believe my client received it. >> From whom?

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>> I I believe if I'm correct, he may have spoken with the district commissioner with regard to PD's not being desirable in the county, but I wasn't privy to that conversation. >> Okay. Secondly, there was a pre-application meeting on this property and due to the

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size and limitation of the property. Uh it my understanding from the pre-application meeting that staff recommended that the parcel would be suitable and ideal for missing middle from the developer standpoint. And what

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we indicated to PNZ is again the LDR land use future land use allows up to four drilling units per acre. None of the straight zoning categories uh including missing middle can even obtain four dwellings per acre on the

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property. But missing middle can get a little closer to four dwelling units per acre, but nothing can actually get to four dwelling units per acre. >> Okay. So, let me stop you there because I want to dig in a little deeper into that if I could. So R1A allows you four units per acre, but the lot itself, the

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the parcels themselves, you don't believe you could get four units, four units an acre with R1A. So you've selected missing middle because you think you could get closer to four units an acre with that zoning. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Make sure I accurately mirrored back to

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you what it was that I thought I heard. >> Yes, ma'am. It's the minimum uh lot size dimensional requirements on R1A will not allow you to reach four dwelling units per acre. You would yield less than 24 units. 30 units uh is four dwelling

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units per acre, but you can't get that on this property. >> Okay. So, that was the parcel, the property itself. What about the product? Can you tell me about the product? >> The the product, as I indicated, is is a detached single family home. So, it's on a 60- foot lot. You know, nowadays, I

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would tell you that that's actually a larger lot than most developers are building. Most of my developer clients are whether it's the market driving it or the cost of development, but most of them are building 40 to 50 foot lots. Okay? >> Whether people don't want the lawn here

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that no, I understand. So, this a 60oot lot is actually bigger than what most people are building these days. And then when you look at as an infill project and the fact that the county's code actually drives you to even a smaller lot size than that, I believe the

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county's land development code for missing middle would allow development of the lots to be consistent with uh the R1B standards which are 50 feet wide and 5,000 square ft. So again, my client

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didn't, you know, do this rush to the smallest lot possible. they ended up building a larger lot at the same time trying to honestly maximize the potential yield on the site. >> But I do want to mention something

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because you you bring up a good point about the the surrounding lot sizes are R1A. If you could bring up the site plan again when you look at the site plan because this again has been brought up. If you

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look at the southern boundary, there are four existing lots on the south side. Our project proposes five lots across the southern border. The remainder of it is open space common area. And then when you look on the western boundary,

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there are six existing homes in the PD to the east to the west. And then on our project, we've designed it so we have seven proposed lots on the west and then the remainder is open space. Then we have concentrated lots on the

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internal part of the development. So again, when you're looking at comparison of number of lots to number of lots, we've done our best to try to line them up. So it's six lots versus seven

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on the west and there's five versus four on the south. Understanding that the lot widths differ but the number of rooftops are very similar in number. So when I asked about the product, one

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of the things that always comes up um in these resonings is um existing neighborhoods concerned that the product that's being built will be um will be attracting uh a a lower

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income type of uh buyer. Um square footage. I will never forget. We had a pro a project out uh near the airport. I think it was in Kentucky, maybe. >> My district. >> Yep. I remember it was your district. And one of the, you know, the repeated comments from neighbors was, "I don't

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want 12,200 square foot homes. I my house is 4,000 square feet. I want a more 4,000 foot home so it's more compatible." And I think compatible is in the eye of the beholder. But I noticed in a lot of the written comments here today, it was it was mostly related

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to this is going to lower my property value. Um, so can you talk about the product in terms of if if that was you with the existing home who was concerned about this product lowering your property value, what that's why I'm asking describe the product. >> Yeah. Well, I I'll do some of it and

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then I'll have Mr. Jordan talk about it. I know it was discussed at the community meeting with respect to the single family detach houses, what they anticipate the whatever you would call it, the average sales price

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uh and the anticipated square footage. He he'd be more appropriate to direct that question to and I'm happy to have him answer it. You know, my my response to it from a land use attorney perspective is I understand the desire theoretically to have like to

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like, you know, A versus A. But for, as you indicated, for compatibility standpoint, it doesn't need to be A next to A. So, it doesn't need to be 4,000 next to 4,000. In fact, I don't even believe your code requires me to build a 4,000 foot house on R1A.

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>> I just threw a number out there. And I know there it's a very nice surrounding area. So I understand that concern. That's why I wanted to point out ahead of the public comment the fact that the number of lots versus the number of existing homes. We did try to

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line it up so that it's very similar. >> I did hear you say that, but I would love it if he could answer my question. >> Yes. Could we have him come up to answer the question? Thank you. >> So most interested in square footage and price is what I'm hearing. maybe number of stories that kind of cover.

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>> Madam Chair, since I I was invoked on a in one of the questions that you made, I wanted to say that yes, in April of 25, I met with Mr. uh Jordan and I suggested that he go straight zoning, not missing

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middle, not not uh anything else, but straight zoning as what it applied to is which is R1A. >> Understood. Thank you. name for the name and address for the record, sir. >> My name is Larry Jordan, 1507 Bluewater

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Run, Julia, Florida, 32766. >> Yes, I met with the commissioner um bringing the project to his attention because it was his district and I wanted to make sure that I comply with the county's requirement. Um, it was just a suggestion because obviously most of the

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developers want to go with a PD and PD accomplishes most of the time a lot more density. That's why we did it as a straight zoning because we wouldn't be able to get as much density as we can get with a PD. That's usually what happens with developers. Um the other

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thing is on the since the first meeting the community meeting I always always said that we were doing single family homes price point anywhere from 800,000 to 1.2 $1.3 million that the homes there sell for approximately

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800 to 750,000 on up on that area. Most of the homes there because of the value of the properties there is very desirable obviously. So, um, that was my my always my target on what type of home we were going to build so that it would

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not impact any of the communities in the area. That was always the intent. >> Okay. And how large a home is that for that price point? >> 3,000 on a So, we can obviously set uh square footage minimum size. We usually set set we can set like a 2500 square

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foot minimum on any community. If we can do that, we we will be willing to do that. >> All right. Thank you very much for answering my question. >> Multi-story >> two stories >> only she just said. >> All right. Thank you very much. That's all I have for now. >> Any other questions, commissioners?

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>> No, that was just clar clarified for me. >> All right, with that we'll go to public comment. Miss Drager, how many forms do we have at this point? >> We have 18 forms. >> All right, we ladies and gentlemen, we have 18 forms. The time limit for this

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is >> Okay, you're going to go second. >> The time limit for this is three minutes. We're going to call you up three or four at a time. I'm going to ask that you come up and stand in a line so we can go one after the other. This goes more favorably for you all if you

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don't repeat what the previous person said. I I kid you not because it's really hard to listen to the same thing over and over again. We want to make sure that you make all of the points that you want to get heard. the ones that are most important and not simply read us the same letter over and over

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again. I would also tell you that I'll ask for the audience to be very respectful so that we can hear each speaker. We know what you're all here for. We don't really need any cheering and all of that. We'd like it to be as positive as possible so that we can get the best possible outcome for you. So

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with that, who are the first four speakers? Gary Chrysler, Lee Waldridge, Sandy Sheay, and Andrew Zto. All right, Mr. Chrysler, come up. Name and address for the record. >> My name is Gary Chrysler, 386 Forest

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Park Circle, Longwood. I have the pleasure of being a constituent of uh Commissioner Constantine and have known him since graduated UCF. I think we're pretty close after that. Um, as a 50-year resident of Semino County who's

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lived in several different types of homes and has uh bought and resold 12 homes, I currently reside in uh Forest Park Estates, which is directly across the street from the entrance of SA Shady Lane. Um, my emphasis here is for us to

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remain keep our eye on quality. I've never known any of you to um um violate that standard. And what I'm asking you today is to do the very same thing one more time. There's been contradictory comments being made by this developer

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over the past few months. And so here we are now uh listening to the latest version uh which has promises that to me seem to not be uh able to be kept. You know, quality starts with leadership, and we've enjoyed strong, dedicated leaders uh from our city, county, and

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school boards. We don't always agree, but we know that we're our our we all wish for the same thing, and that that is to create a better and safer and um more environmentally safe uh seminal county. Um we've kept a watchful eye on

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the environment, our safety, and services, which is why we are all here today. Our neighborhood is positioned right across the street from Shady Lane, which I have to say is probably one of the most beautiful pieces of property there is. If you've not been down there to see that, you would see that anything

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less than what has already been built there is a crime. It's a crime against each of the neighbors. It's a crime against the environment. and and some of the exaggerated statements such as a 1,700 ft walk or yard walk to commerce would mean that you would have to walk

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through a marsh land with snakes and alligators and you'd be up to your waist in muck. So, I don't believe that a lot of these comments are actually legit. Um, I do agree with the many folks that are going to follow me about safety and traffic and children and all of that,

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but I think that the most important thing is to understand that Shady Lane and that neighborhood has some of the most, like I mentioned, most beautiful and environmentally sensitive land. Uh, this should not be the first example of

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missing middle in Semino County. If you look at Missing Middle, you can look at Wakiva or you can look down the road at San uh uh um um the end of our street where we have Wakiva Cove and next to it apartments and town houses and the like

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that are on main roads and have access to uh 436. This would not be the benefit benefit the folks that have invested in the neighborhood here. And as a builder

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myself who understands the need for profit, uh we all have to live next to each other and protect each other and and be reasonable. So I ask you all to be reasonable and to turn this down. Turn missing middle down. Missing middle

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should never be built on on um on Sandy Lane. And if our folks knew well enough about it, they would know that it's not Shady Lane and it is not as uh relevant for this. >> Thank you, Mr. Chrysler. We were You

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were doing so good. >> Sit down, Gary. >> Thank you all. You know where I stand. >> All right, next speaker. >> Hi, I'm Lee Waldridge and I live at 337 Forest Park Circle, right couple houses down from him. Um, it's nice to see that

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there's a a Lee represented on the board, too. So, anyway, um, I don't want to rehash a lot of the fear that other people are going to talk about the obvious things of traffic and so forth, but, uh, as he was saying, uh,

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I built my house as well, and I've lived in Orlando since the mid50s. I grew up in Pine Hills on the corner of Powers of Balboa and uh went to Robbinswood and made it Evans and my parents died in

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Pine Hills and uh so uh I've lived here for uh since 1980 and uh uh this is two things. one is once you reszone this

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um I don't know that there's any legal way you can constrain the guy to build what he's sort of promising to build. Um, uh, he can certainly sink to the lowest possible denominator, which would be

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plopping a lot of little tiny houses in between a whole area of custom houses that that range in prices from over over a million dollars down to uh maybe as little as 450,000,

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maybe 500,000. uh and and then that is that will have a major impact on our ability to sell. I've worked with uh uh people pricing construction and and pricing house sales and I know how the impact of

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close residents can have on your house. So uh and I do believe that the reduction in the value of over 100 houses is going to probably exceed the tax base

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that you would get from the 25 or maybe 30 houses he's going to build there. if as opposed to the the 12 houses that could be built there or even the four houses that could be built there that would be quite valuable.

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So, uh that's a that's a consideration I think that that the county should think about bad bad planning. Um and and on top of that it's u uh again that's those are the two points. I think

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the point is that if you this would be a grave mistake to to make to make to zone this this way and not and vary from the R1A and houses all the way around it and it would be kind of a blight in the neighborhood. So I appreciate it. Thank

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you. >> Thank you. >> I'll call up the next speaker and I'm just going to give a little reminder. I know this was a long time ago when our county attorney read this, but we can only consider competent substantial, meaning it can be substantiated, and

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factual evidence. Please name for the record. Come on up, ma'am. Hello. I'm Sandy Shay and I live at 1160 Sandy Lane Road. And so, first I want to say thanks to the board. Your dedication

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to work with Jordan has been great and your dedication to work with others has been wonderful. And as a as an owner's right, um rights of an owner is to comply with what you ask

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and to make sure that the person that is selling the property who's purchasing wanting to purchase the property follows through with your compliance and to do the things that you have required for him to do. And that following your advice and after meeting the

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requirements that uh owners also have a right to to be able to sell the property to be able to retire after many many many many many long years of work and service into the

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area and that uh we also have enjoyed the neighborhood. And to us, the neighborhood is very valuable and the neighbors are wonderful. And the ability to be able to walk the streets and the roads and to feel great about it is is

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great to be able to do. And I do it every day. And so we definitely do not want the neighborhood to be any less than what it is now, but only to grow with the

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community and with growing as uh as people do. And older people come in and they don't have any children and they just want a little bit less land to take care of and uh but yet still a wonderful

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home to live in. And so this was what we wanted to have built in this area was good quality homes and the ability to still have sidewalks to walk on and to feel you're living in a safe area and a

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safe neighborhood. And that was why we wanted to sell the property so that other people could enjoy living around great people and around a safess that is in that area. And so

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this project has met your requirements and we appreciate that he has met everything that you've asked to do and we thank you for your consideration to vote yes. >> Thank you very much, ma'am. Next

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speaker. And while you're on your way up, Miss Dreger, will you call the next four? Thank you. >> Judith Stevens, Steve Lit, Donnie Anderson, and Sher Austin. Six minutes as a representative organization. >> Yes, this is a representative of the

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Sandy Lane HOA requesting six minutes. >> And you're speak So if you're speaking on behalf of the Sandy Lane HOA, then no one else from Sandy Lane can speak if you take the six minutes, which we're good with. >> So nobody none of the other homeowners from Sandy Lane.

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>> That's how that works. >> If you live in Sandy Lane and you want to speak, raise your hand. Cool. I think we're good. I I I only have a few folks who were able to make it from work today. Okay. >> You don't know who's in your HOA? >> Huh? Excuse me. >> You're trying to figure out who's in your HOA? >> Well, I saw them when they came in.

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>> Um anyway, good afternoon. Uh my name is Andrew Zto. I am fortunately or unfortunately the president of the Sandy Lane Homeowners Association. I took this gig because they told me it was a quiet neighborhood. Nothing happened. And now I'm standing in front of Seinal County Commission. That's fun. Um a little bit.

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Well, let me first start by thanking you. thanking for thanking you for what you do. Uh, communicating with the seminal county government has been great. Working with Caitlyn was great. Um, it was really refreshing and I appreciate it. So, uh, with that said, a little bit about us. If we could pull that map back up, that would be awesome. Uh, we are 23 homes on three culde-sacs.

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We are directly to the south of the proposed land. Um, we are a third of an acre to half an acre lots, all custom homes, the ones that have been discussed, million plus dollar homes back there. Um, what makes us a little bit more interested in this particular development is we are one way in and one

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way out. And that one way in and one way out is the affforementioned Shady Lane. Um, it's actually called Sandy Lane for the record. Um, but that is our primary road to get to the rest of the world. So, um, the primary entrance to this development is proposed to be built right on Sandy Lane, uh, which is

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between us and Sand Lake Road. Um, and that presents a whole bunch of different questions for us. Uh, on street parking, safety, just a little bit about Sandy Lane. When there's a garbage truck on it, you have to go to one lane to get around it. It's not a big road. It's a very, very small road. And right across from the main entrance to the proposed

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development is a schoolyard. So, there's definitely some concerns about whether the capacity on Sand Lake on Sandy Lane um is capable of handling this. Uh, I'm not going to get into the traffic study on Sand Lake Road except to say that um, no, that's that's not true at all. come come down Sand Lake Road with us at any

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point in the day and you'll see whatever happened in that traffic study can't be accurate. Um it is an unsafe road to be on right now. Having said all that, my second point in addition to the traffic on Sandy Lane, um is one of equitable development. So in our neighborhood when we when you invest a million or so

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dollars in a house, you're looking around. When I bought my house, I looked at the land around me and I sold it. It was zoned agricultural. We buy back there because it's quiet. And I think we sort of had an inkling that at some point in time somebody would build on that that land. We would build houses

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there. I don't think we could have ever estimated that we would be building 24. And moreover, I don't think and I'll get to this point in a second so nobody get too upset. I don't think we knew that we could potentially be looking at condos and town houses. And I know that's not being what's being proposed, but I have

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some questions about whether or not there's an opportunity for that to happen in the future. I'll get to that in a second. We are not anti-development. We are anti- um using a mechanism to build more houses than should be built on this particular piece of land. Um to that end, I have done a

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ton of research on missing middle zoning. I know more about zoning than I ever wanted to know in my entire life. >> Yes, I know. I apologize. I have read cover to cover your 2020 document that was published, I think, by this room on missing middle and I've also read a whole bunch of different um articles and

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things. And it seems as though there is a bit of a a flaw in the missing middle logic. Missing middle, as I understand it, was designed to promote affordable and different types of housing. Um, but most specifically affordable housing and connectivity. We just heard the

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applicant say that we're talking about 850 to million dollar plus homes. I don't know what the technical definition of affordable home is in Florida, but I don't think it's $850 to a million dollars. So yes, we meet the technical requirements for a reszone here, but I

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think we are definitely taking advantage and I'm not accusing the developer. I have nothing nothing but nice things to say about him. I think we're using a mechanism in this zoning without really getting to its true intent, right? His intent was to create affordable housing. That's not what's being proposed here. So I think there's a mismatch with

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regards to connectivity. Let's be clear. We are connecting Sand Lake Road with itself about 300 400 ft down the road. there's no connectivity because our neighborhood doesn't go through. We're not connecting Sand Lake Road to 434 or 436. We're connecting Sand Lake Road

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with itself. So connectivity is is a questionable thing as well. Our primary concern, however, with the missing middle designation is the uncertainty that comes along with it. As has been said here, it's never been approved in Semino County. And I think we need to think long and hard about whether this

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is the place that we start with that. And here's the reason. My understanding coming into today is that once it is reszoned, missing middle allows for a bunch of different housing types, condos, duplexes, triplexes, all of these different things. If reszoned, even though the applicant is saying that

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he will build single family homes and he has stipulated that and I believe that, what happens between he doesn't own the land yet. So what happens between today when you vote and when that shovel hits the dirt? We we heard a whole bunch of different things, engineering and all

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the plans that have to be approved. What happens if this deal falls through and another developer who has not stipulated to building single family homes gets a hold of that property? Are we then looking at condos, town houses, triplexes, and duplexes, which I don't think is the intention of the board here

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today or the the the board of commissioners here today? So, in speaking while I was waiting to his attorney, I understand there may be some mechanisms that you all can employ to prevent those types of housing from being built on this land. If so, I think we really need to understand those because that's a major concern of ours

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in addition to the density. Um, but so for all those reasons in summary because my clock is counting down on me here. Number one, traffic on Sandlake Road and Sandy Lane, specifically Sandy Lane because it is our primary ingress and egress. two is um the equitable um the

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equitable development and not disenfranchising existing homeowners who bought back there. Um understanding this land was zoned one way. And then lastly is just understanding the impact of missing middle, what that means, whether we're using it appropriately in this particular regard and what protections we can get against different types of

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houses that we would not want to be built there. Thank you for your time. Um and please vote no. >> Thank you so much. Next speaker, name and address for the record. Madame Chairman, commissioners, staff, and my neighbors. Uh, I'm Steve Lit from

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385 Forest Park Circle in Longwood. Uh, six points in 3 minutes. Zero. There's no shady lane. And, uh, please, if you're going to make left in, left, or right in, right out, don't put barriers because that's going to make Hunt Club

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into a U-turn nightmare. Point one. After listening to testimony and evidence received in the hearing, the planning zoning commissioners voted 5 to one to deny the reszoning on Sandy Lake Lane by Sand

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Lake. You appointed these volunteer commissioners to evaluate what's best. So, please agree with their recommendations and deny this resoning request. Point two, the applicant hangs his hat on the on his adherence to the comprehensive plan. But if the Florida

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Constitution and state statutes had intended such adherence to be sufficient rather than necessary, the final decision would have been left to staff, not the county commissioners. Point three about this supposed

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adherence. Goal four in the future land use document of the comprehensive plan is to grow walkable active places. No matter how marvelously the applicant connects to Sand Lake sidewalks and lays

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down his own sidewalks, the net net effect is to trash walkability and bike ability throughout the Sand Lake corridor. Two Pace Brantley school students were hit by cars this year. Let's not approve a non-adherent zoning

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change. That makes it even worse. And I'd like to add that take a look at Sand Lake if you think if you believe that it's not a problem. Point four, it's not just this property. It's the precedent for all the other semi- vacant

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properties including the 9.65 65 acre Fire Creek at Lake Brantley pre-application whose URL I supplied uh with the the lists of URLs that I passed out. I passed out those URLs to give you factual evidence on everything

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I'm saying. Point five, I'm going to skip for time. Point six. When deciding, please remember that I could have recited three additional important points and refuted every rebuttal to all these points, but

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unlike the applicant's council, I have only three minutes. Please deny Missing Middle to this property now and until the mess on Sand Lake has been completely cured. Thank you for your time and for listening to us.

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>> Thank you for being here. Next speaker, name and address for the record, please. And you can lower that mic. >> Thank you. My name is Jude Stevens. I live at 611 Andrew Street in Altoont

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Springs. I have lived at that address for 28 years and it is directly behind Forest City Elementary School. Um, I try really hard to stick to facts. Um

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the first one is that like he said the board of county commissioners voted not to recommend that we change the uh the zoning to missing middle. Uh, also in the last meeting that we had, um, I

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believe Miss Abgar and also the builder both said that he could build what he wanted to build without changing the zoning. Now, to go back to the community meeting that was held in September, which was

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mobbed, I don't know if you have minutes to that. I've never seen minutes, never saw anybody take minutes at that meeting. But um we asked him that specifically many many people asked him that. He said

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if we said if you can build what you say you want to build without change in the zoning, why are we here? And his response was, he told us that in order to make money, he could not just build 24 to 26 single

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family homes. Nobody could. He wanted to build in total, maybe not on this particular parcel, but in total in that area between 54 to 71 total units. Some would be single family

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affordable at 600 to a million. Um, not sure I agree with that. And then the rest would be multif family. That he said over and over is his intention. He said he needed the resoning on this parcel cuz otherwise he nor any nor

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anyone else could make money and it would be easier to get other places reszoned if he could get this one reszoned. Uh, like everyone else with the traffic, there are times I should be able to make a straight shot out of my subdivision to

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Sand Lake Road, but I can't. I have to go through two other neighborhoods and turn up West Lake Brantley to get to a street to get to a traffic light to turn onto Sand Lake Road. Well, doesn't matter usually what time of day that's happening.

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He also brought up the right turn in and right turn out onto Sand Lake Road. And at the very end of the last meeting, he said, I thought kind of flippantly, um, so I'll put in a median. Well, it's a two-lane road except for the turning

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lanes when you're going into other streets. You can't put a median there. Please vote no on this. He doesn't need it. Thank you very much. I just do want to clear up for the record. It was the planning and zoning committee that voted no. It was not the county commission.

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Thank you. I just have to say it for the record. I know it's hard to be at that podium. >> Yes, sir. And while you're coming up, Miss Dreger, will you call the next four? >> Lorie Bartlett, Kevin Carter,

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uh Jay Kyle, Jay Kyle, and Cynthia Hayes. >> Yes, sir. Go ahead. name and address for the record. >> Thank you. My name is Donnie Anderson. I reside at 200 Berry Court and that's in Longwood, Florida, 32779.

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>> And are you in the subdivision? >> I am in the subdivision across the street >> for Park Estates. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, that's where I reside. Um you could say a lot of things but

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given the amount of time that we have I have in front of you I've sent out a lot of information and I also presented uh some of the things that I've created on there is three separate videos uh that you are aware of um and hopefully

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have viewed it kind of summarizes you know what we're about and what the issues are. And I would and I would just you guys are the line. We as a homeowner,

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we do what we can to take care of our homes and do our kids and get them to school and all that. It's a responsibility as uh Commissioner German says, "Hey, look, Sandy Lane and and Sand Lake Road, the issues on Sand Lake

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Road are the the the county's fault." It's basically what he said. You go back and look at it. The issues of traffic and everything else. So, you guys are the last line of defense. And I'll go to U Commissioner Dollar's uh talk about the

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uh the project that went arry. It was done by code. It was sent by code, but then it flooded everything out. And who's to say that this isn't the same thing? Promises that are made. We know the previous the person has said it before uh that Mr. Zto, the guy doesn't own the property yet. There's all kinds

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of things that could happen. The zoning is questionable. And why couldn't this do like like Commissioner Lopez said it clearly in the last video. You think this could be done with a different type of zoning. And that's why I'm asking that this board take a look at exactly

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what's trying to go on because you you have you're not approving a development. You're approving the zoning. So you're the last line of defense when it comes to us. So defend us to uphold the safety of the corridor. And I just respectfully ask that you

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uphold the decision of the PNZ board that there's a better way to do this and we have to trust that you're going to do the right thing for us. Thank you. >> Thank you. Next speaker, please. Name and address for the record.

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>> Good afternoon. I'm Sheri Austin and I live at 200 Berry Court in Forest Park Estates at 32779 in Longwood. And um I like my husband just said, we live directly across the street from Sandy Lane. And I'm probably

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the resident with the most years in the Sand Lake corridor. 61 years of my 63. So I have seen the growth. I can't even imagine what Sand Lake Road would look like if we still had to deal with Teague Middle School on Sand Lake Road. Thank

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God that moved to um McNeel. But um the board, the commissioner board shot down um a rehab center that was trying to go on that same property many years ago and I thank you for denying that propose proposal. But um today there will be

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many people discussing the traffic and safety. Um I'm telling you the only time Sand Lake Road is free from horrible traffic is when school's out of session and it's in the summer. Um, so we have

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uh those obvious concerns about traffic and safety. Others will discuss um our concerns about property values and the compatibility. Um, if I were the homeowners across the street, I certainly wouldn't want Missing Middle coming in. Um, I respectfully ask the

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board of commissioners to uphold the zoning and board the zoning and planning board's decision to deny missing middle and I thank you for your decision to deny it. Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you, ma'am. Name and address for

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the record. Yes, you can lower it. Uh I'm Lori Bartlett. Um I live at 816 Real Alamato Drive, Altoont Springs, which is um across on the other side of 434. But I have friends and used I

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worked at Lake Grantley for a number of years before I retired and I have friends that live down there. So I drive Sand Lake as many people do or evidently not many people. Um

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so why am I here? I mean I can easily or not easily turn left and go down 436 to everything I I would like to go to. It is an easier way except a friend's house because there's a sign there's a a

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phrase in this room in three different places. It's up there. It's behind me and it's behind you and it needs to be considered for what I don't remember the gentleman's name. In the future,

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starting today, if you approve missing middle, you are changing. Missing middle in this case is being done at a builder's request. The phrase up there, behind me, and

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behind you says Seol County. There's a flag. It goes Semino County. And then it says Florida's natural choice. One needs to be careful how much of the

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natural choice you are giving to builders. Florida's natural choice could likely become Seino County, Florida's builder's choice. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. Next speaker.

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>> Hello everyone. My name is Jay Kilchimovich. If I'm having a bad hair day, let me know and I'll put this on. Otherwise, I'll get right to business. >> Thank you. I live at 215 Duncan Trail and I understand this is supposed to be a single family home community. So, as long as you guys can keep it that way,

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you have my support and what your decision is. The concern that people like me have is if this turns the missing middle, he sells it off and someone else takes it over and then this ends up just becoming a chip for him to make more money. I understand builders have to make money, but single family

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home community, I could say a lot here, but it's been covered by a lot of the other speakers. And that's really all I wanted to say today. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. We appreciate your brevity. >> Hello, my name is uh Kevin Carter. I live at 21 Berry Court. Um I'm here as

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an expert licensed witness. Uh my background is PBTI, pipe fitters and hydro uh plant design. Also licensed master plumber and I'm also a building inspector. Um the problem that is not being quite or the picture not being

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dissolved for you is on the top left corner of the property. We have a power grid power lines not your just basic electrical lines. This is off the power grid that is coming through that area. The builder originally wanted to build somewhat underneath that area and the

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building department said, "No way. You can't get close to those power lines." So, my concern is I also deal with um the B um WA basin, the aquifer underneath. Um through my company, we

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keep track within that area of at least a dozen springs that has popped up because of construction. There's also has been 200 feet away from this particular property a spring had popped up which is part of the county's um

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knowledge that the building department and the storm water had actually took them over $2 million and almost two years to cap that when it ruptured 200 feet away from this property. In the middle of this property, there was a small dwelling that was there, a house,

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and it had a well. When they had to leave, our company, we actually had to go in and tap it and close it off and work with the St. John's River Management because it's an artisian well right below the surface is the aquifer. And scraping that area can rupture and

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create bigger issues. And that property is sloped like this room right here. It's one inch per 12 in, you know, every 12 inches it goes up an inch. So, it's greatly sloped and that whole area during hurricanes, heavy rainstorms. Some of the lower dwelling uh

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neighborhoods have been flooded. There's um there's a couple of schools there. A pace school that gets flooded. There's also a 7th Day Adventist church and school that's there that has the ball field has numerous times been under underwater.

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So, again, to Mrs. Lockport, the answer is yes. Everything flows downhill. I had to work with the water department, uh, storm water department, Sunshine Water, and I, we transfer, uh, water from one reservoir from one lake to retention ponds and stuff like that. So that way

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we try to keep from having our county flooded. Um just recently over by 436 and 434 they spent over $85 million to restore some of the um storm water to try to connect some of the canals, some of the lakes, some of the retention

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ponds to keep the water flowing to keep from flooding. They you know so has a as a county y'all already spent hundreds of millions of dollars and we're worried about what we're worried about is another rupture in the Wakiva basin. Um,

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I've asked for environmental impact. Nobody's given me one. Um, this is something our company has to deal with because when something gets ruptured and broken, we have to come in and destroy it where builders will just pack them and say, "Well, we'll just go bankrupt

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and close our company and and let the county deal with our mess." Um, and then that's when they call me in because I got to go cap these wells, these springs. And this was in the past four or five years big flooding that's been going on in that particular area. So,

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and they had to downsize it because of those power lines. And that's why they you the builder wanted a lot more homes and now he was forced to, you know, confined to a smaller area and they're trying to count the seven acres that's not really theirs. That's part of the utility commission's property. Thank

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you. Don't know. >> Next speaker, please. Do you have more? Yes. >> Please read their names. >> Michael Hydeman, Susan Montinez, Muhammad Munir, and Judy Piso. And

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>> we're almost to the bottom. >> Almost. >> Please go ahead. Ma'am, >> I had Cynthia Hayes, 1104 Cambridge Court, Longwood 32779. I live in the Wakiva Hunt Club area. I did send an email in September, but I felt like I needed to update a little bit. Um, I

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don't claim to understand all things about how land zoning works. Um, but I don't believe this housing is what's best for the community. I've learned more since the original email in September, and I understand that houses will be built in this area most likely at some point with the current zoning.

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But with Missing M, that means even more housing, and it's it's denser, just like they talked about. Um, sorry. Once missing middle is uh if it's approved, they will have the green light to build whatever they want. and uh they can make

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those promises that they've made, but their experience and their business is multifamily. It's it's obvious on their website that's what their experience is and that's difficult to fight. There's one area I think think that they did single

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family. Um what they can do and what they will do may be different and we know business and money dictate that and not community well-being. Traffic is a big concern. just drive up and down Sand Lake Road from 6:45 a.m. to 8:30 a.m. Kids getting dropped off, etc. After

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school, there are parents out in the middle of Sand Lake Road making sure that the Pace Brantley kids don't get run over by the cars trying to go around the line of cars going into the school. Um, and somebody mentioned that kids had been hurt. Um, the schools and their

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limited staff in the area. So, this is going to increase students are already under stress adding students outside the zone now in addition to finding space for those in the zone. Um, and I've worked in the schools, so I know that is a stressor. More people generate more general security and public safety

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concerns and the need for added patrols and concerns for EMS routes with delays, utility loads, etc. Most importantly, the students walking and biking is a huge safety issue. Like I mentioned, um there's obvious needs in Seminal County for crossing guards, bus drivers, sheriff department, Seminal County

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public schools, utilities. They all seem high because I keep seeing all these hiring z uh notices going out in social media and it's constant for all of these departments. So, this is just adding to all of that for departments that apparently aren't able to fill up their

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spots. This won't be the last property to build, but to double maybe the capacity from the current zoning seems chaotic and possibly irresponsible. Please vote no on this project. We love our community, but we start to feel squeezed out for a dollar. Thank you for your time and service.

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>> Thank you. Next speaker. Name and address for the record, please, sir. >> Michael Hidman, 405 Forest Park Circle, Longwood, Florida, 32779. I live in the Forest Park Estates community. I'm here to express my

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opposition to the missing middle zoning proposed at the Sandy Lane Homes project. I'm not opposed to development. I make a living off of development. Um twothirds of the subject property is already zoned for R1AA for 90 foot lots which is consistent with the surrounding neighborhood. Uh there's no need to

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reszone to missing middle for those two lots. There is an existing agriculture property which has a lovely estate on it. uh riding arena, paddics, um would be a beautiful home for someone. I don't know why the the the seller is is

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selling that as part of the land. Um but there's no need to reszone those two/irds of the property to missing middle. Um I would support the agriculture reszone to a uh R1A, but nothing else. There's one thing I want to make clear. We keep hearing this is a

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single family home development that's been proposed. Caitlyn made it clear in her proposal that the development plan is subject to change. I want to I want to say that again. The development plan is subject to change. You're not here to

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vote for a development for single family homes. You're voting for missing middle. That's the concern here. There's no guarantee of housing typology and the county loses control of ensuring that there is in fact a single family

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home developed at this property. For that reason, I ask you to vote no. We heard the applicant state that they specifically picked missing middle to increase the density at the lot. The same concern that their commissioner had when he met with the the applicant in

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April of last year was go straight to zoning. Don't do PD because that will in fact increase density. There's something that hasn't been said yet. The full intent and purpose of missing middle, and I'm going to read it out loud because it's been touched on but not read fully. The purpose of the

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missing middle district and alternative standards is to encourage a wider range of housing choices in central locations accessible to services. This includes permitting smaller units and more compact site plans to increase

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affordability without subsidies, central locations to services. It's a 24-minute walk to the closest bus stop. It's on 436. It's over a mile away. Affordability. We've heard the applicant state today, and I've heard the applicant state

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repeatedly, they intend to sell these homes or town homes or duplexes for 800,000 to 1.2 or 1.3 million million. How is that increasing affordability in the area? It fails to meet the intent of

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missing middle. This is the first missing middle resone application to come before this board. It's important that you get this right. It will set a precedent for the area. It will set a precedent for the county for what's acceptable.

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I encourage you to uphold the 51 denial from the board from the planning and zoning board and ask you to deny this today. Thank you. >> Thank you. Next speaker, please. >> Hello, I'm Susan Montinez and I live at 3566 Terra Oaks Court in Longwood and uh

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just want to thank you for your time today. And you know, when I think about this possible reasonzoning and how it's truly pulled our community together off Sand Lake Road in a weird sort of way, I have to say thank you to um them for

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even bringing this forward because you can see the passion that we all have. Um and no disrespect to the person who did the traffic study, but um I've lived there since 2000. I work full-time. Even through COVID was going in. and I didn't have much traffic

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then. Um but the traffic is really bad. We have four schools, Lake Brantley High School, Forest City Elementary. We've got Forest Lake with um 700 students and um Pace Brantley with I think a little over a hundred. And neither one of those

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last two schools have public transportation. I personally sit in the mornings and wait. I can listen to one to two podcasts going in just on Sand Lake Road alone. Um, the thought of reszoning to

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have more homes in our area is is crazy. If if you come there one morning and you drive down there when school is in, you will understand why I think there was 16 or 17 of us took off work, made a point

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to come here. So, you can hear from us that it's crazy to reszone in that area. If Simino County wants to look at a project like this, pick another road that doesn't have four schools on it because it's real and you know time is

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valuable and I will go brief because time is valuable and I hope you all vote no. Thank you. >> Thank you so much. >> Good afternoon. My name is Muhammad Boner from 111 Shelik Long, Florida 32779.

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I just live across the uh Silin. Um I'm only came for just one point. Um I have already sent you guys email with couple of points. Um I'm deeply concerned about the school impact. My family has a child

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with special need including autism and multiple time he has come home from school with bruises. And when we asked the principal uh and teacher about these incident uh we were told that overcrowding

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uh is affecting supervision and staffing. Uh that is not just a capacity number on the paper. It is real safety issue for children who need special extra support. Uh therefore um I would

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request you to please uh deny this reasonzoning. Thank you so much. Thank you, sir. Is that the public school that you're speaking of? >> Yes, elementary. >> Okay. If you would take that up with the public school board, that would be ideal. We have no governance over that.

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>> Thank you. >> Uh could you please call the next speakers? >> Pam Tapley and Gary Wthwell, the final speakers. >> All right. There we go. Okay. Well, quite a bit of what I was going to say has been said, except I am Judy Piso. My

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husband and I live at 255 New Waterford Place in the Wakaba Cove development, which is at the northeast corner of Sand Lake Road and Line Drive. To say to say that a traffic study was done and

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presented or finished May 6, I know where the tubes were put on the road. They were put where there was little traffic. And I might be wrong and I apologize if I am wrong on that, but as a former transportation planner with the Florida Department of

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Transportation, I know what those things look like. And they certainly weren't at the eastern end of Sand Lake Road, which has a very high density of traffic. Even when school is out, it can be challenging. So, I'm going to try to get

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back to my notes here. Uh, I want to recognize the commissioners for your time. I know it's been a very long day for you. Your meeting started 9:30. I feel for you. I also want to thank those who have presented their comments ahead of me and the two that are going to be

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behind me. I've already mentioned the traffic study. I I find it incredulous. I also questioned the public meeting. Gee, why didn't us at the uh west end of Sand Lake Road get that invite? That would have been fun.

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I'm confused about what the developer his idea of affordable housing. We've already talked about that. That is rather incredulous. If you're putting 24 homes on this property and you're paying 800,000 to a million

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for a property, you're going to have more than two cars. So, you're already putting anywhere from 48 to maybe 60 or more cars onto Sand Lake Road at

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any given time. So, the uh developers representative to say it's going to be minimal impact. I find that to be unreasonable. My point is this

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highdensity development is more in line with something you would see in downtown Winter Park or maybe even Tri Sanford. This highdensity development, if this zoning change goes through, will definitely put a burden on this community and the character of our

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corridor. I'm asking the the board here to understand that how you vote today it might impact the developer, but he'll get over it. He can always go back to the drawing board and come up with something that is less invasive and less

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dense, but if you vote yes, it's going to impact a greater group of people. And we're already living with a high impacted road. I want to thank you for your time and for hearing us today. >> Thank you for being here.

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>> Hi there and thank you very much for having me today. I'm Pam Tapley, Pace Brantley Preparatory School Head of School. And I just wanted to say that at Pace Brantley, we have more than 125 families in this

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community. And the prospect of adding additional 24 homes in this area definitely raised significant concerns for us as well as logistical concerns. The increase in traffic, I think you've already heard that enough. um and the

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congestion and it is by our school. Um and I do want it on record that I don't have parents in the middle of the road doing traffic. It may be myself or an employee also. Um with that I worry about drop

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off and pickup. Um I will tell you that our school in Forest Lake Academy, our parents all do come and drop off and pick up. We do not have any busing into our campuses. So, that is a concern. Um, I think somebody did mention for my last

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um with the planning and zoning, we did have two students um this year alone hit by a car um trying to exit onto Sand Lake Road. The other is our concern with high volumes of traffic and obviously

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getting emergency vehicles um down San Lake Road into our campuses or into the neighborhoods um because we have the four schools and we also have a preschool on San Lake Road as well. I do

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want to say we're fortunate to be part of a neighborhood where families honor our mission and contribute to our calm and supportive environment for for the children of our school with learning differences. The introduction of a high density housing particularly at the

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scale that could result if adjacent to the parcel follow suit. It really would disrupt the balance and create a lasting safety and quality of life challenges for everyone on this corridor. Pace Brley Preparatory Schools been part of

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this community for over 50 years. We have deep commitment from the families we serve and the neighborhoods that we call home. We respectfully but ferably urge you to consider the full scope of what this zoning would set in motion not

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just for one parcel but for the entire Sand Lake Road corridor before rendering a decision. I thank you very much for your time and your consideration. Thank you. >> Next speaker, please.

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>> Uh, my name is Gary Rothell. I reside at 1433 Vivaldi Place in Longwood, 32779. Um, I live in the subdivision of Bella Vista, which is on the other side of the Pace Brantley School from the Sandy Lane

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subdivision. Um, obviously I get very concerned regarding the possibility of the increased traffic right now when schools in and out. Obviously, it is very complicated getting out from our subdivision. We're a gated community, and with the right in and right out only

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coming from that um on Sand Lake, it's going to force all traffic to make all a left-hand turn out of Sandy Lane onto um uh Sand Lake Road. with a school there, the kids coming through. I walk my dog constantly back and forth through there

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and it's already difficult watching traffic try to turn left specific, you know, especially when the traffic is busier. With you adding 24 homes that have to turn left from there if they're going that direction, there's a downhill that comes from Sand Lake Road down

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towards this area. It's already, should we say, there's police often stay at the Pace Brantley watching the traffic speed past there. You add 24, you know, homes trying to turn left from there coming down a sloped road. It's going to add a lot of potential harm, especially the

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kids in that area. I also live at the in our subdivision. I'm at the back of the subdivision along the conservation area that's like a dry lake bed. It's kind of the overflow from our community, from uh the Sandy uh Hill community. It's all

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down there. My home resides basically at the edge of the flood zone. I do cons question when you start building more in this area, how much is extra water has to flow back into our area, which is the catchment area. I get concerned about that because literally the flood zone is

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literally sits behind my house. And um of course I worry about property values and and getting these types of homes up and so but I appreciate your time taking uh to listen to all of us. I this is the first time I've ever been to let alone spoken to at one of these meetings and

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it's impressive to watch the community and how they pull together and what they're hoping to see out of this. But I would also ask that the reasonzoning doesn't seem necessary if they can do it another way. Thank you. >> Thank you very much sir. Miss Dreger. Is that the last of our speakers? >> Yes ma'am. With that, we'll close public

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comment. I'll give the applicant uh the opportunity to respond. I would ask that you be as brief as you possibly can. >> Thank you, Madam Chair, fellow commissioners. I'm going to run through and with respect to your request be as brief as possible, but I do need to

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touch upon some of the things. So one there was actually I heard the word fear. We have a fear and as this board knows fears and speculation are not competent substantial evidence but there was a talk about pedestrian connectivity. Miss Apgard indicated our

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project has to connect to the existing sidewalk ne network on Sandy Lane and Sand Lake Road. And I guess I'm the only one who's had a uh misspoken ever in this room. So I

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apologize for mispronouncing the name of the road. Uh one, there's several people who commented about, well, how can we ensure that it's single family detached homes? I touched upon this earlier under your code. My client actually has to comply with the conditions of approval. That

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condition of approval runs with the land. If my client didn't close on the property, it would be binding on whoever did close on the property. So, that concern again is addressed through the approval process. There was a suggestion that we're building more houses than allowed on the

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property. Again, the density is governed by the future lanes map and the comp plan, not the zoning. We are not changing the density on the property. In fact, the deputy county attorney had to indicate that on the record at the P&Z hearing.

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There's been comments about Sand Lake Road. You heard many people talk about traffic. Again, you all have that come up. You have your own engineers. You have your own professional staff. They've confirmed that Sand Lake Road is operating at A to C level of service. My

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client doesn't establish the level of service on the road. The county does. and my client's responsibility is to make sure its project doesn't trip that roadway so it fails the level of service. You have your county staff and an outside thirdparty transportation

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engineer confirming that this project does not trip the level of service. In fact, there's thousands of trips available on the roadway. I understand that during school hours, I live right by Boone High School for 20 30 minutes a day, it gets backed up and then it

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clears out. But nobody suggesting that Kaye Avenue in downtown Orlando needs to be widened to four or six lanes. So again, we're complying with the traffic requirements. In fact, Miss Abgar's report says that the county doesn't have

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any improvements planned on Sand Lake Road in its 5-year CIP. If Sand Lake Road, as Commissioner German actually indicated the P&Z hearing, is it's unfair to hold the last property

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standing responsible for an alleged issue with the traffic uh circulation in that area. In fact, he said if anything, it's the county's responsible for this. if it's happening. So again, my client has done exactly what a developer needs to do. In fact, we didn't need to do the

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traffic study. I guess I'm reminded of what my grandmother would say, you're darned if you do, you darn if you don't. At the PNZ, we were told, "Oh, they didn't do a traffic study." Well, it's because the county's requirements for a subdivision with 50 or fewer homes doesn't require a traffic study. We then

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do a traffic study, which one of the recent speakers said that we laid out tubes in all the wrong areas. The traffic study isn't based upon tubes. We use Seminal County's own traffic counts and then the traffic engineer, what professional engineers do, they extrapolate and add a background trip

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generation rate to that. So there was no hiding of traffic tubes. We use the county's own numbers. The suggestion that we would stress schools again, your packet has a letter from the schools, school board saying that there are seats available. That's all my client can do

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when coming before a board with an application is go get that confirmation from Simol Semino County Schools. There was a flooding suggestion or concern. You all know we're not at the site plan stage final engineering, but we have to

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comply with St. John's uh requirements as well as the counties and with my experience with Mr. Potter on storm water issues. I can assure you that the county staff holds the developer feet to the fire in that regard >> and thank you for that compliment.

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>> Yes, trust me, sometimes to my sugarin and disagreement, but we did comply. Uh the suggestion that somehow missing middle is not straight zoning again is a misnomer. Miss missing middle is straight zoning. You know, the

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difference is that the code allows in that one provision that I referenced that the applicant has to comply with the conditions of approval. So again, we're not seeking something that's not straight zoning. Missing middle is straight zoning. And on the traffic, the last thing I

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would mention is the traffic study shows 16 a.m. peak hour trips. The suggestion, and again, I'm not stating that school traffic isn't bad at certain hours or during drop off, but the suggestion that

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somehow 16 trips across an hour in the morning is somehow going to make the road just completely inoperable, I would suggest, is not supported by any evidence before you this afternoon. In fact, I would submit

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16 trips, one car per every four minutes is extremely dimminimous at best. And then lastly, there was a suggestion about the community meeting and I've and there were a couple suggestions that somehow my client along the way has

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misrepresented this project and it's a bait and switch. And I I respectfully take exception to that. You know, I don't mind people making fun of me for mispronouncing a street name, but we have the minutes of the community meeting which are in

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your packet. And I'm reading from the minutes. Developers intent develop a single family residential subdivision, not town homes or multif family. Proposed density approximately 24 homes.

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It goes into talking about the homes proposed minimum 3,000 square feet, twostory homes, twocar garages, and it gives the target price. No intention to build town homes, duplexes, or affordable housing

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complexes, which affordable housing is defined by statute as you all know. So again, the suggestion that somehow my client didn't make that clear, my client is not swayed or varied from what's being proposed. And in fact, we're willing to stipulate, as we did before,

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that it would be single family homes, uh, that it would be capped at 24, that it would be substantially consistent with the conceptual site plan, which again lines up four homes next to six and six next to seven.

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And my client is willing to abide by a condition that the minimum square footage on the homes be 2500 square ft or greater. Again, I know you all understand the fine folks in Tallahassee took away your authority to sort of govern architectural standards, but

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we're willing to stipulate to those type of requirements on this approval. And I think the only last note I had, Madame Chair, was there was a suggestion the individual had indicated he was an expert and he was talking about

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electrical lines. Those electrical lines cross in the northwest corner of the property. they they actually go across the adjoining PUB. So they're not a prohibition on development. It's an easement. So it actually would be my client's property. It's not the utility

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company's property. They have a easement across it. And you'll see on the conceptual site plan, it actually is the open space common area in the northwest corner. So again, we would submit that we've met our burden. Madam Chair, I know you've heard from a lot of people

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and I'll, you know, I represent neighbors at times and I'll echo what I said at the PNZ. I don't take away from the sincerity of their comments. They live in the area. They have a vested interest in protecting the area. But what I didn't hear today

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was anything about my client not meeting its burden or somehow that the staff made an error and overlooked a provision in your code or comp plan and we haven't met those requirements. What I heard a lot about

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was we don't like the traffic. We're concerned or we have this fear that they won't be nice houses. We love our area. I think quite frankly they prefer that no development go on there. In fact, I don't think folks based on what they were saying would like the AM peak hour

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trips generation from R1A double house housing on the property. But again, not a single provision of the code or comp plan was cited by anyone speaking today. So again, I would submit your professional staff's recommendation and report is the competent substantial

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evidence and I would ask for this board's support and approval of our request of reasonzoning with the stipulated conditions on square footage, single family homes, and no more than 24 lots. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you.

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>> All right, I am going to look >> I'm sorry. >> Pardon me. I'm just wondering I was asking if public hearing was now closed >> because he was part of public hearing. That's all. >> Well, public comments is now closed. He was a response. Yes. So, public comment is closed. I'm actually going to ask uh

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deputy county attorney if there's anything you'd like to add at this point before we start discussing. Um the only thing I'll add is that um as far as the um unless there's something specific you'd like me to discuss as far as the stipulation proposed by the

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applicant, you know, this zoning district, we require this conceptual site plan so that we can they can show how they're meeting all the requirements as far as street trees and open space and sidewalks, you know, everything that this zoning district requires. Um, so if

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the applicant's going to stipulate to it, potentially we could add that those stipulations to the conceptual plan and state the applicants made it binding, but this is a conventional reasonzoning to a district, which is it's not like a

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PD. Um, they're willing to stipulate to it. we could put a stipulation on the record um and and and and include it in the conceptual plan or and or make a note in the record that they've stipulated to agree to these things. Um

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and the county staff when reviewing it would implement those conceivably um when they came in to develop. So it it could be done. Does it stay there in the future? Is there a chance that someone could challenge it? you

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know, potentially I in the future maybe the next owner, but you know, that's that's what I'll say about the stipulation. >> All right. Thank you, Commissioner Constantine. This is your district. >> It is my district. Thank you very much. Um,

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you know, I I just want to start by, you know, thanking u Miss Miss Lockheart for um clearing up something when um they were said uh when we were talking about a meeting that I had with the applicant

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in back in April of last year and I said stick to the zoning and you won't have a problem. And I would suggest to each and every one of you would not be here today if he had stuck to the zoning and not asked for the missing middle zoning

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because that is different than the zoning that is there. And that's one one one ra or whatever something like that. Let me >> It's been a long day. >> Yeah, it's been a long day. So I'm going to make this very quick. Uh, I'm going

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to stick to the competent and substantial evidence and suggest to you that the intent and purpose of the missing middle district is to encourage a wider range of housing choices by permitting smaller units and more compact site plans to increase

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affordability without subsidies. That is the land development code 30.8.3.1. This project does not meet that. It is proposed single family residential lots price tag 800,000 to 1.2 million as per

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said by the applicant in his own words just a few minutes ago or a lot more than that. Um and that Mr. Spain clearly did not want to talk about because he talked about everything else but the price that was being suggested. These

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are not affordable homes. The median home price in Semino County is 475,000. The applicant proposes prices that are more than double the median price. Thus, it seems that the real intent here is not to get smaller lots or is to get

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smaller lots and put large homes on them. That would increase the profitability. Nothing against profit except all of us have private property rights and we all understand that. Again, if he had stuck to the zoning, we

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wouldn't you all wouldn't be here. We'd still be here to rezone the other portion. And that is not consistent with the intent of the missing middle district. We are supposed to be increasing affordability, not decreasing it. The crest is also not consistent

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with the comp plan policy 4.2.1, missing middle, which encourages increased affordability by allowing smaller units. This project does not do that. The applicant is pro proposing 3 to 4,000 square ft homes. Um where the

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average home size in Semino County is 1.8 um 1,800 square ft. Pros units are not affordable and not small. We're setting a precedent here because this is the first time we're using missing middle.

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Let's use it for the reason that we intended it to be. Um, this is not the location for missing middle anyway, but that's not the point here. >> Commissioner Constantine, are you in the middle of a motion? Are you making a motion? >> And therefore, I am Yes, I am making a I'm both debating and making a motion.

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And therefore, I want to uphold the planning and zoning recommendation to deny this project zoning. >> Second. >> Okay, I have a first and two seconds. Is there further discussion? Well, yeah, I would like I know we want

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to speed this along, but I think because this is the first application for missing middle that we have had, it is incumbent upon us to have a little bit of conversation about >> what it is that just has happened here because because the evidence and the basis that the planning and zoning commission denied this on is not the

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evidence and basis that we are denying this on. So, let's be very clear about that. And I'm saying we because I seconded it and we haven't voted yet, but this is under discussion. Um it were this a true missing middle project,

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we would be having a different discussion >> here today. And I think that we need to be able to work with the county manager and have him work with staff and and the county attorney with our county attorney's team to understand we have a recommendation from our staff for

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approval because whatever process that that the applicant went through, we believed with the information that was provided that this was appropriate for that zoning. So somewhere in this process, we have we have some clarification to do, some work to do.

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>> What's that? >> A disconnect. there's a disconnect and and I started thinking about this um this morning as I was putting my makeup on um because that's when I do some of my best thinking. Um go the hours and hours and days and days of work that we

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did on the land development code uh rewrite and those work sessions that we had and we brought in the consultants and we talked about missing middle and we talked about we cannot start vilifying missing middle. It in its intent is a going to be a very valuable

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tool for this county and for future commissioners to be able to help create variety in this community. But somehow between our board's direction and implementing that in our land development code and this application process, somehow we got sideways. And so

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I just from from one commissioner who who is like I really like missing middle. I like the intent. And thank you to whomever uh provided this was just passed down the dis appendix with the um the case studies on missing middle. Who did raise your hand who did it? Awesome.

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Thank you. I because we don't want we don't want this to be us. >> Correct. >> And so so that's just my two cents on this as we move forward and hoping that we can have some good dialogue, maybe some work sessions and further um elements talking about the code of

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helping to further clarify a process. And >> so, uh, I'm going to take it I'm going to pick up where you left off and then I promise I'll call on you. I I think there's multiple disconnects. Um,

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one is reference to compatibility with things that are surrounding. So, I I think we probably need another look at that. But the second piece of it that I think is the disconnect is that I I do have concern that these committees that

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we have, they're volunteer committees and boards that are making recommendations. They're they're rulings are not rulings. They're recommendations need training. And because I I don't necessarily feel

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like we did the citizens here justice and I don't think we did our team justice and I don't think we did the developer justice as we were going through that process and that's on us. We pick we appoint these volunteers and then they publicly indict us which

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is interesting >> um and and not helpful to the community quite frankly. Um, I would also say that I think what's come to light in this process, I think it's fabulous that the community is all joined together, but I think it's come to light that as we're

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approving schools on these roads that don't have transportation, we need to pay a little more attention because that hole's been dug and we have others that continue to come through the pipeline and now the charter schools are coming through the pipeline. We have very little to say about it. We just

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need to acknowledge that it's that this is going to be an ongoing challenge. But I think this is not all for not because there are a lot of learning exercises that have come out of this and a lot of takeaways and I appreciate you bringing it up. I was actually not trying to shut down conversation. to try to facilitate

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it which up here is sometimes difficult believe it or not >> and and madam chair that's that's what I said in the beginning was trying to indicate that I am not a in fact I support missing middle in the right place for the right reason this is the

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wrong reason this this is a reason to increase density it is not for the missing middle to find affordability and that needs to be sent not only to our boards but also our staff. And this is clearing

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up that pre this precedent that we're making right now. And it is a precedent that we're saying, you know, when you're looking at missing middle, you're looking at affordability, not increased density. >> And I do want to say, if I could I Well,

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no, I think it's important because I just re I just replayed in my head what I said earlier and now I feel I need to clarify. I am not indicting our staff in any way, shape, or form. I I said, you know, we have, you know, a recommendation for approval. I I I think our staff did an excellent job. I think

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we have a phenomenal planning team. I just think we need we just need to work together a little bit better. This is new. It's new. >> Hopefully, I'm good. I'm good. >> In the in the interest has just called the question. >> In the interest of our constituents,

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let's try to move to a law. >> All those in favor? >> I I >> opposed hearing none opposed. It passes unanimously >> to deny. >> Deny to deny. >> To deny. >> Motion to deny. Yeah, there was no wait.

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>> They were looking at us. >> Can we take a break? >> Yeah. Let's take a break. >> I'm taking a break, please. >> All right. Can we be back at 4? >> Yes, we can. Seven minutes. >> Well, that depends. Heat. Heat.

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Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. All right. I have four o'clock. I do. And we have we have >> calling all commissioners. Oh,

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>> we have four or five. >> I'm in my seat, boss. >> Okay. Okay. >> All right. We're going to move on to item 31, Rosenwald Community Center Reszone. And this will be uh presented

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by Annie Siloway, principal planner. >> Ready yet? >> Here she comes. Hi, good afternoon. Annie Siloway with development services. I will be presenting the Rosenwald reszone.

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The request is being presented um for a reszone from R1 single family dwelling and R2 one and two family dwelling to PLI public lands and institutions. The reason is um is to allow for the development of a public park and a

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community center. Subject property has a public quasi public future land use designation which permits a maximum floor area ratio of 65. This designation is intended to identify locations suitable for a range of public and quasi public uses including but not

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limited to public and private recreational facilities, educational institutions, and libraries. The subject site is approximately 12 acres and was previously occupied by the historic Rosenwald School in the East Altoont community. Simol County acquired

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the property in 2019 for the purpose of redeveloping the site into a functional community asset offering a public park with pavilions, a fishing pier, and a 6,000 square foot community center for cultural events, community services, and

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youth activities. The current re residential zoning classification um does not support the proposed use necessitating the reason. The PLI zoning is intended to include major public lands and quasi public institutional uses. This classification

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may only be applied to lands that are owned and controlled by the public. Staff finds the request requested PLA zoning classification to be consistent with the seminal county land development code and the existing future land use of public qua public and permits the

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proposed use of a public park and community center which will provide a direct benefit to the community by offering accessible services and programs. The purpose and intent of the public quasi public future land use is to identify locations for a variety of

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public and public and quasi public uses, transportation, communication, utilities, and in areas where public and quasi public uses are established and in areas reserved for future public use. A community meeting regarding the

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overall Rosenwald Community Center was conducted on December 9th, 2025 and the planning and zoning commission met on April 1st and voted unanimously to recommend the board of county commissioners adopt the reszone ordinance. So staff requests the board of county

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commissioners make the following motion. Adopt upon first reading an ordinance reszoning the subject property from R1 single family dwelling and R21 and two family dwelling to PLI public lands and institutions on approximately 12.98

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acres located on the north side of Merit Street approximately 0.25 25 miles east of Ronald Reagan Boulevard. And I just wanted to inform the commissioners that the county is initiating this reszone of the property. And due to the proposed changes to the ordinance and zoning map designation, this reszone will be

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required to meet state statute under section 125.665B that states the county initiated reszones require at least one of the public hearings and is to be held after 5:00 p.m. on week on a weekday. However, the board can by a majority plus one

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vote to have the meeting at a different time such as before 5:00 PM. The second public hearing is required to be held at least 10 days after the first public hearing. And that concludes my presentation. >> Fabulous. So, how does this work? Do you

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like put on a different hat and speak as the applicant? I'm I'm just kidding. My face is >> But I I will say no, we don't. But um I I will say that um just so just so we're clear because it's over 10 acres and because it's a county initiated reszoning, we have to

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have two public hearings for this. And so the second part of the motion needs to include the date certain for the second public hearing and the time at 1:30. >> All right, commissioners. >> I don't have any questions. >> I have no questions. No questions.

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>> No questions. Are is there public comment? >> Yes, ma'am. One speaker Chris Watkins. >> All right. >> Once going twice, going three times. Good evening everyone. >> Some of you long time no see. I used to

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be very consistent in coming. If you >> nonetheless, my name is Christine Watkins. I reside at 639 Lake Mobile Drive, Alter Mount Springs 32701. I'm going to make this very brief

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because I'm very pleased where I understand this is going to go is just one question that I have. What was Rosenwall's reszoning prior to the RO1

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and is somewhere along the line I missed that? Was there a reasonzoning? What was the zoning prior to the R1 R2? Has it always been that when it was a school too? >> We we could actually research that if

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Andy do you know? >> Um yeah. So um based on um my research um the the land development code was established in this in the early 70s and the zoning that was placed on the property is R1 and at the time you know

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that the zoning was placed on there it did allow for um schools to be placed on the property. Yeah, >> I was always sorry. >> Okay, >> no comment other than I am for it.

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>> Follow my lead. >> Thank you for being here. >> All right, commissioners. I'll look for a motion. >> Commissioner Lockhart's district. Yeah, I would love to uh make a motion to uh adopt enact an ordinance reszoning the

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subject property from R1 single family dwelling and R2 one and two family dwellings to public lands and institutions on approximately 12.96 acres located on the north side of Merit Street approximately a quarter mile east of Ronald Reagan Boulevard and hold a second reading of the ordinance on June

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23rd, 2026 at 1:30 p.m. >> Second. >> Have a first and a second. All those in favor? >> I I hearing none opposed. Motion passes unanimously. Thank you for being here. >> We've already done item number 32. That

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takes us to item number 33. This is a public hearing to adopt a resolution confirming the non-AD Valorum Capital Assessment for Rice Lake Management MSBU. And this will be done by Lori Bailey Brown.

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>> Good afternoon, commissioners. I'm Lori Bailey Brown, administrative services director, here to present to you a resolution to authorize phase one capital assessment for Rice Lake. Rice Lake is in the Little Wakiva

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watershed uh with 31 benefiting parcels in district 5. The Rice Lake Management MSBU was created in 2023 and included funding for public services to be provided in two phases.

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The estimated phase 1 cost was 120,000 and phase 2 was implemented in 2023. actual project costs of $139,95 and county funding assistance of $20,000 resulted in the amount funded by the MSBU program

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at $119,905. This amount reflects the increase uh increases from cost estimate due to an increase in a restoration cost over that period of time. The capital assessment per assessed property is $3,867.89

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per waterfront unit and we offer a 5-year installment assessment at $981.73 per waterfront property. The five-year installment plan includes administrative fees and interest. The owners of assessed property have an

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option of paying the capital assessment in full without financing fees within 30 days following the resolution or participate in the installment plan. The in let's see uh the installment plan will be built in equal five equal in

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installments over the next five years via the tax bill beginning with the 2026 tax role. We request approval of the resolution confirming the assessment for Rice Lake phase 1 construction services. This concludes my presentation.

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>> Thank you very much. Is there any public comment? >> Yes, ma'am. Three speakers, George Calvie, Eric Duncan, and Leo Nelson. >> Can you all the map of the lake? You have a chance. You could do that please. >> Sure.

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>> Good. >> Hello every >> Name and address for the record, sir. >> Sorry. >> Name and address for the record. >> Eric Duncan, five Stonegate North. Thank you very much for your time. Appreciate you pulling up that map. I like visuals. They really help me. I hope they might

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help you. I've lived on this lake for 24 years. I live at the very south end of that lake. And um I have a home office. I've worked out of my home for many years. So, I've seen a lot of what phase one was all about. I spoke to a lot of the people that worked out there. So,

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here's what I'm asking you to do. To consider putting off the decision tonight and pushing this off to reassess the east side of the lake. When phase one started, if you can imagine the clock at 2 o'clock, look at

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the, if you would, the map, at 2 o'clock, that crew of people, I would say they were for 3 weeks with a B with a front end loader on cat tracks floating out of the lake for about 3 weeks is my estimate. They started going

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counterclockwise at the 2:00 position and they finished down there at about between the five and 6:00. I live just to the right at say, you know, 6:30, let's say. So, here's what happened. Phase one was mechanical removal of a

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lot of the vegetation. Phase one was mechanical removal. The mechanical removal never did continue on to covering the 13 houses on the east side, which I live, including my neighbors to my left. the mechanical

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removal did not continue all the way up the east side. Okay? For for for the reasons that they had chosen. My point is if you came today, the majority of the houses have vegetation so high, so

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thick that it's to not have part of that removed does not seem fair to those of us paying this initial cost. So, what what I'd like for you to do is to push off your decision. I'm not saying we

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don't want to pay. I want to say to push off your decision to let the MSBU reassess that east side to see what more could do to be equal to the phase one on the west side of the lake. Okay. If you're looking across the east side to

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the west side of the lake, you can see a lot of a clean lake shore around there, which most of us were hoping that would happen to us. But if you look at your home where we're at on the east side and you come out, there's a lot of green vegetation that was never touched. No

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mechanical removal. Only spraying was done according to my assessment. >> Okay. >> I don't see lake staff here. Yeah, Thomas is here. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I got it. Yep. >> So, that's all I'm asking. Please, just to delay your decision till that's

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reassessed. Thank you. >> So, I'm I'm going to just stop. Are you three neighbors? >> Are you all on the same side of the lake? >> One's at 6:30, one's at 7:00, and one's at 7:15 on the clock. >> Oh, there you go. >> All right. >> Thank you. Thank you.

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>> So, I would like for the First of all, I want to make sure that I were clear on this. This is a financial decision, not a how we're managing the lake decision that's before us today. That being said, if there's reason for us to put this

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off, we can put this off. But but the assessment, I'm not having a discussion, just for the record. I'm I'm actually looking behind you. So, I'm going to look to the county manager to get the right person up to address the management of the lake piece and then to you to give advice on moving forward or

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not moving forward based on what we hear. So, let's take that step before everyone else speaks if we're all saying the same thing. Is that fair? I'm looking at you two. All right, let's learn more. >> And I I can have Oh, are you you want me

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to call the staff? Yes. >> Thomas, do you want to come up and give a status of phase one and if it complete? >> Uh Thomas Calhoun, wershed management division. Uh yes, this uh project was completed about over a year ago. The

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project consisted of removing invasive vegetation around the lake and the associated material sediment with it. Um, a lot of that work was confined in some areas along the south shoreline. There was a lot of native vegetation there, so we didn't do as much work. Um,

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some people say we haven't done any work out there. We also had uh conservation easements to work around. Um, so I'll also say that uh when we do these lake management plans and put the budget together, we also put it in contingency

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reserve. So when uh situations like this arise, we do have funding to address it. So closing the phase one does not prevent us from addressing the concerns of these residents. So delaying the vote today is not

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necessarily the step that needs to be taken to do this. But with that, I think we'll hear the rest of the public comment. Is that fair? >> Correct. >> Thank you so much for coming up and being called. We may need you again, sir. Name and address for the record. >> Good afternoon. My name's George Calvie.

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I've lived at 23 Stonegate North, Longwood 32779 in the Ravensbrook subdivision for 32 years. Um, I love the lake, but unfortunately I wouldn't know the

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difference between an invasive and non-invasive plant than I would an organic or standard banana. >> Yeah. So when we were given a presentation back in February of 2023, it was this beautiful colorful

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almost like you know hypnotic type of presentation that our lake was going to be something like we never saw before. And in fact, we were provided with a picture of Myrtle Lake restoration, which I'm sure we can put up if you

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like, but it's really uh quite simple. Here was the lake before. It was a total mess, and here was the lake after, and it was absolut absolutely perfect. >> So now I'll give you just one simple example.

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Picture Rice Lake. It's like a kidney, right? So they started counterclockwise. And the reason they started about oh 200 yards east of my house because that's where we have the access for boats and things to get in and out of. So it made

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sense. So they went counterclockwise. While the workers were there, I approached them a couple of times said, "Hey, how you doing? What's going on?" And they said, "Well, obviously you're over here and we're going counterclockwise and we're here and eventually we're going to make it to

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you." And I said, "Great." Because I think the hurricane had happened, I don't know, six months before that or a year before that, whatever. And the lake was kind of the highest it's ever been. So, you can imagine the vegetation went with it. Okay. So, I'm figuring, okay, they're going to get around because as

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Eric, my neighbor, pointed out, I mean, we had stuff that was three and four feet high. So, I'm thinking, boy, this is going to get all cleaned up like it is on the other side, which looks perfect. It's wonderful. except they never got there. So then I went and saw

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the guy again. And then he says to me, I tell you what, I'll make sure the supervisor comes over your house and he'll knock on the door and we'll go out to the lake and he'll tell you exactly what we're going to do and give you an idea of what things will wind up looking

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like. So obviously I have to move along. The problem was you take something like a lily pad. Eric did the research. If I showed you these two lily pads, again, like a banana, you couldn't tell the difference. One's invasive, one noninvasive. Except here's the problem.

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Now, all the lily pads are gone. And obviously, the fish love the lily pads. So, you can imagine that we're missing a ton of stuff that was supposed to be replanted that hasn't been done. Parts of the bottom of the lake are just mush

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where I used to walk out on the lake all the time and you just can't right now. I mean, you get tangled. Okay. So, the the whole idea of what we're saying is we were given this grandiose commitment

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and then we get a letter telling us what the assessment is and if we don't pay it, there's a lean on the house, never saying anything about what was supposed to be done that has yet to be done. And and that's our main argument and that's

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why we want to have another meeting, get this thing delayed so we can get it straight. So what they they promised up promised us in February time is up. They I know I just want to say what they promised us in February 23 that they thank you.

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>> All right. >> Did I say >> Good afternoon. Uh, my name is Leo Nelson and I reside at 21 Stonegate North next door to George and I was given the Yeah, God bless me.

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>> But at any rate, I was told the same story that George was about across the way from us. They did a grand job of beautifying the shoreline, etc. And they never came our way. The sprayers came

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our way. In fact, my phone went dead. I was going to show you some pictures and the guy with the airboat came out there with his sprayer and I have a small floating dock and I have a small bass boat there >> that was fairly new at the time when I

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put it there. And I asked the guy to be careful about spraying the thing and he made some sarcastic remark to me. And I made several phone calls to try to get someone to call me back about what they

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sprayed on the on the dock as well as my boat. And it's got cloth seats and it the money is not the issue, but the chemical that they sprayed on the dock as well as the boat deteriorated the seats. I mean, granted, the sun has a

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lot to do with it, but I fold them down. But the chemical number one that they sprayed on the dock as well as the boat did something to both. Um, but getting back to the main deal

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with the all the vegetation on our side of the lake is a complete opposite of what you see across the lake. And like George said, the water in front of our house, you go in the water and it's

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muck. It's not dirt or mud. It's mush. I mean, the plants below the surface is nothing but mush. But at any rate, I just think it's

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some questions need to be answered as far as, you know, what we're paying versus what we're getting. So, >> all right. Thank you very much. So, this is my district. >> Is that a question? >> And and just not getting any

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correspondence and not getting a call back. >> Understood. Understood. So what what I would propose that we do gentlemen is that I hear you loud and clear. This is my district. I have not heard about this before. Now we should we can work this

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together through my office. I will will work with you and our team and the county manager and I think somebody from the county manager's office was up here already proposing something. So we will figure this out. I am also going to make the motion to pass this because the MSBU

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is >> second The MSBU is the technical side of this that has to happen regardless, but us getting it right is a sec is the is the next piece of it. And the first thing to get it right is to help me know that it's not going right. So that's the

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commitment. I'm glad you were here. I'm glad we gave you the time to speak. You matter and so does the lake. And I am also very familiar with the homes on one side of that lake versus the homes on the other side of that lake. This is my neighborhood. So I get it. I understand.

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I hear you. So with that, I'm going to move to adopt upon first reading an ordinance reason. No, I'm not. Is that the right one? Uh requested action. I'm going to approve and authorize the chairman to execute a final rate resolution confirming the not adalorum

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capital assessment for Rice Lake lake management services MSBU for completed phase one services. >> Second. >> Uh any further discussion? Hearing no further discussion. All those in favor? I oppose. No. Passes unanimously.

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One of you needs to reach out to my office or I can get your name off of the signin sheet. Thank you very much for being >> and we'll follow up with you, Madam >> Chairman. >> All right, here comes Gee, the man with one name. Item number 34 has been so

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successful today thinking not come back. For the record, Ghee Couna, director of economic development tourism for Semino County. So, per the tourism improvement district ordinance 2024-12

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enacted in uh May 2024, I present to you the TID uh resolution uh assessment. So, excuse me, assessment resolution. So total qualified rooms is 5,077

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with a term of 10 years unless tied to a bond. The estimated gross TI revenue is still three 3.2 million. The assessment per room per day is $1.75.

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The assessment began on April 1st, 2025 with the first collection on May 20th, 2025. TID and TDT are collected at the same time on a monthly schedule per the uh

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Seino County Tax Collector. So requested action is adopt the Seino County Tourism Improvement District Assessment Resolution >> Commissioners. Committee for the public. >> Oh, public comment. Clearly, we don't

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have anybody for this. We do. Yay. >> John Don, >> John Doe. >> What time do we 5:15? >> Hello guys.

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>> Uh my name is John Don. I am speaking on behalf of uh the days in Infern Park. Um we're located on 8245 South US Highway 1792. We are a family-owned hotel and I appreciate the opportunity to speak today regarding the proposed seminal

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county tourism improvement district assessment. First, I do want to say that we support responsible tourism growth and economic development in Semino County. We understand the vision behind investing sports tourism in future projects. However, we are deeply concerned about how this assessment is

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structured and disproportionate b and the disproportionate burden it places on smaller independent hotels like ours. A according to notice provided by the county, the proposed assessment is a fixed charge of $1.75 per night per room

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available for occupancy. The key issue is that this assessment applies regardless of whether whether rooms are actually occupied or generating revenue. Our hotel has 75 total rooms. Under the current structure, our family hotel is

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projected to pay nearly 48,000 annually based on our total room in inventory. Despite operating at only approximately 40% occupancy, that equals to nearly 4,000 per month additional costs for a small independent hotel already

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struggling with rising operational expenses. In 2025, we had approximately 10,923 occupied room nights out of approximately 27,000 available room nights for the year, which equals to roughly about 40% occupancy. In 2024, we

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had approximately 11,000 occupied rooms out of approximately 27450 available rooms. Still around 40 41% occupancy. That means nearly 60% of our rooms remained vacant throughout much of the year. Despite that reality, our

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hotel is still being assessed based largely on total room inventory rather than actual occupancy performance or revenue generation. Another major concern is lo is location and actual economic benefit as shown. I don't know

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if you guys have the map of of the SCT ID, but our hotel is located at the very very southeast corner where we're right on the border of Orange County and Seminal County. Our property is about 20

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miles away from the Sanford and Lake Mary sports tourism corridor where the county sports tourism investments and proposed developments are centered. Hotels located directly near those venues are much more more likely to to benefit from the tourism traffic. Our

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hotel located near the outer edge of the district will likely only receive limited overflow, if any at all. Yet yet under the current structure, smaller family-owned hotels like ours are effectively being assessed similarly despite very different levels of expected economic benefit.

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Um we are not asking to avoid contributing to the community. We are simply asking for a fair and balanced approach. This notice states that the board may approve the assessment with such amendments as it deems just and right. We respectly

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respectfully ask the board to consider amendments such as occupancy base adjustments, relief for vacant rooms, and reduced rates for smaller and independent hotels or geographically consideration for hotels located outside the primary tourism.

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>> Thank you for being here. >> Thank you for being here, Commissioner Delari. >> How many rooms do you have? >> 75. >> 75. Yeah. You just went over the crescent if it's was it 60 or below. Yeah.

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>> Don't have a comment for you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Are there any other public comments? >> No, ma'am. >> We'll close public comment. >> Madam Chair, I move a motion to adopt the Seminal County Tourism Improvement District Assessment Resolution. >> Second.

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>> I have a motion and a second. Any discussion? All those in favor? >> Opposed? Hearing none, it passes unanimously. That would be fabulous. >> So I think Mr. Kuna is coming over to meet with you gentlemen.

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>> Thank you. >> All right. Item number 35, approve the adoption of the ordinance amending chapter 40. This will be presented by Mike Rhodess, who's ready to go. >> Good afternoon, commissioners. Um, for the sake of brevity, I know you've all

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had an opportunity to be briefed. We are certainly capable of going through the uh the presentation and hitting any high points or I can offer up Mr. Kery to or I to answer any questions you might have if you'd like to do that. >> Madam Chair, I believe we've all been

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briefed extensively. >> Mr. Constantine, are you good? >> Recommended. >> Yes. >> Anybody from >> Great briefing answered all of my questions. Um, I'm comfortable with where we are. >> I'm in the same position. >> Great work. We all hate it.

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>> So, commissioners, I'll look for a motion. Motion to approve the adoption of the ordinance amending chapter 40 building and construction of the seminal county code of ordinances by amending the chapter to provide uniformity and code enforcement application adjusting to align with statutory languages providing

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clarity to the building code board of appeals providing alignment with Senate Bill 180 and providing an effective date and a second. Is there any public comment on this? >> No ma'am. >> Okay. Close public comment. All those in favor I opposed hearing none. It passes

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unanimously. Thank you. >> Thank you for your offer. >> Phil dressed up for nothing. Can I just point that out? >> We were wondering I asked him if he was here selling something today and he did say yes. >> I was just so proud to hear from both of

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our county attorney's offices as well as their offices that they are not going to close here anymore. They're not they're going to not reduce. >> Oh, never mind. Okay. I I I I was going to say something important. Okay. >> I know, but we'll wait for that.

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>> Okay. >> Item number 36. We have Mr. J ready to present midyear BAR. >> Thank you. I'm Timothy Jex with the Office of Management and Budget. Item number 36 is our annual midyear B to True Countywide fund balances. This item was publicly advertised on the county's

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website on Thursday, May 7th. The primary purpose of this B is to reconcile budgeted FY26 beginning fund balances to the actual final fund equities reported in the 2025 ACTER. The total amount of the B is 61.8

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million which includes 35 million in countywide fund balance adjustments. That's 2% of the total countywide budget. There's also 23 million in inter fund transfers, the largest of which is $15 million within the water and sewer capital fund. and we have $3.8 million

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related to budgets for grant agreements and public works and water utilities. That concludes my presentation. >> Thank you very much, Commissioner Zimbau. I move approve and authorize the chairman to execute a fiscal year 2526 midyear budget amendment resolution

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26-028 in the amount of 61,854,3984 to adjust the fiscal year 26 countywide beginning fund balances to match the fiscal year 25 audited ending fund balance countywide. >> Second

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>> motion in a second. Is there any public comment? No, ma'am. >> All right, commissioners. All those in favor? >> I >> opposed. Hearing none, it passes unanimously and public comments closed. How about that? All right, that takes us

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to the county attorney's report. Thank you, chairman. Uh, as listed on the agenda, I wanted to discuss the canvasing board with the board today. The, uh, election season is upon us, and so we need to, uh, designate who from the board is going to serve. The

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canvasing board is the composition of it is dictated by statute. It's the supervisor of elections, a county court judge, and then it defaults to the chairman of the board of county commissioners. If they're able to serve, if they are not able to serve or they are disqualified because they're up for

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reelection, then then an alternate member from the board is selected. Um, so because chairman her is not up for reelection this year and she does not have an intent to be involved in any candid or campaign of any candidate that's on the ballot. I believe she is

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qualified to serve on the canvasing board and so I wanted to have that discussion on whether you um intending to serve. >> I am intending to serve. >> Move approval. >> Second. >> There's no approval required but that's that's great. And then also she needs to select an

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alternate if she's unable to attend a meeting. She is charged with picking a member of the BCC to be her alternate. >> And Commissioner Constantine has graciously agreed to be the alternate. >> You'll love it. Le >> and has also asked that I attend everything. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> All right. I will pass that along to the

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supervisor of elections and you all will have to complete some uh training within the next month or so. >> I might have left that out of the ass. There's a mandatory training But it's cool because you'll learn how to like analyze handwriting. It's very very interesting.

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>> I have been on the canvasing board before. I just wanted you all to know. >> County manager. >> So, do I have to go through it again? >> You do have to go through today. >> Thank you, Chairman and Commissioner. Just a couple items. One, um, I'd like to address item number seven that was moved from the consent under my report.

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You should have an updated um packet in front of you with the with the amendments that that were made um on the interlocals. And this is for the uh 5-cent gas tax that was recently approved by the board last summer. I and you have interlocals with all

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seven cities um in your packet as well. I'm pleased to announce and it's been quite a you know a journey over the last couple months that both uh Lake Mary and the city of Sanford have agreed to partner with us and contribute their

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5-cent local option uh gas tax towards the seminal connector and they've actually named that the state road 452. So we do have a name for that that road. Um as you all know we also went and visited the city of Ovido in Winter Springs. Um they have not closed the

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door. They are willing to still talk to us and partner just not there yet. Um so the other five cities uh that you will that you will see on here including Oido Winter Springs um Alzamont Springs, Longwood, Castleberry

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hit five. Thank you. Um they are not uh changing their distribution. So they will still get their distribution to each of the cities. The reason we have to do those is that the state department of revenue is requiring us because we

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have a couple cities uh dedicating their distributions to us. They want all all seven cities uh to have an interlocal deciding like where their distributions will be going to. So all of this has been updated. Um all of the cities have

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uh voted on this except for Winter Springs uh because we were with them last night they decided to put that one on hold. Um, so we will need an interlocal that they will sign that they will keep the distribution the same as it has been that their uh gas tax will go directly to the city of Winter

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Springs. >> But they're still working with us. >> Yes, they're still working. So, we could still work with any of the cities uh for, you know, ongoing, but the state department of revenue needs all this by June 1st um in order to for the city of

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Lake Mary and uh um Sanford for their distributions to come to us starting in January of 2027. >> And I do want to clarify, it's up to 5 cents for Lake Mary and Sanford. >> It is 5 cents. I would not it's f it's the five- cent

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local option gas. >> This is all seven at the five- cent local. The up to five cent is still being worked on. >> I don't I don't understand what the five up to 5 cents. >> So the piece of it that were with regard to the connector that if we get grants

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it was the conflicting language that was asked to be fixed. >> Yeah. Oh, you talking about for the city of Sanford last night. Yeah, that was a little confusing. What? So the statute allows the board to impose the tax up to 5%. So the board could have imposed a three a 3centent fuel tax, but the board

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imposed >> five >> a 5 cent >> fuel tax. So the city of Sanford's agreement reflects that they will be giving 100% of their >> 5-centent fuel tax to the county

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>> up to because we committed to go out and get grants. Yes. And >> the agreement also provides that if the grants are obtained that that money will be put towards the city's contributions first in a prora share to what they contributed. So that is also

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>> so the initial distribution because I don't want them to say that we're doing something different here than we said we would do. The initial distribution will be the 5 cents and then should we get grants there would be pratta >> credit reduction to it back. >> Correct. That is correct and that's what

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the agreement >> that does align with what was voted on last night. >> Yes. Sorry, I didn't I didn't understand the up to five cents. So, >> yes, I get. So, the uh request from staff would be for the board to approve and authorize the chairman to execute the seven uh interlocal agreements with

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the municipalities of Simol County regarding the assignment and distribution of the 5-cent local option fuel tax proceeds. >> So, moved. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Uh Darren, I know that we were at Winter Springs

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yesterday. I know this has to go to Winter Springs and then we're going to continue working with them. Can we let the city manager know that even though we're still working with them, they still have to sign this so that there's no confusion? >> Yes, I already have. I've already talked to the city manager. >> I think we need to put that in writing.

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>> Okay. >> I would concur. >> Okay. It needs to be put in writing so that we when we get a copy of it, we can show it to the other elected officials in that city. >> Okay. Absolutely. I'll make sure I do that. Okay, it's my only comment. >> All right, we have a motion and a second. All those in favor?

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>> I opposed, hearing none. Passes unanimously. >> And then just the last thing, I just want to recognize the success of this year's citizens academy. We just finished up our last one last weekend. I want to thank all of our departments and especially the communications team with

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Mr. Patton down there that that led the charge. We had over 700 residents attend this time. Uh citizens for academy last year was 600 and something. So, we were we were up. So, this has been proven to be a very successful and informative uh

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academy and uh we're all excited about doing this again next year. So, thank you and thank you Chris and all the departments. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Commissioner Delari, District 1. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. I first want to thank everyone uh that worked hard putting veterans appreciation lunch on

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last week. I think it was a huge success. And uh for those who may not be aware of it, the speaker we had uh we focused on the Korean War and the speaker we had that spoke at first wasn't going to speak

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until he realized his son didn't hear his story. And so he had his son come down to hear the whole story. And uh so I think it was a success in many different ways and he was blown away as well as folks that were with him about

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how big of a of a a lunch it was. Uh I did attend the uh count meeting for Commissioner K's team and that was in the city of Ovido and uh we did talk about storm water. I thought that was rather interesting. And then uh there

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was also a DOT safety summit uh last Friday about vision zero that was in St. Cloud. And then tomorrow at Metro Plan we have on our agenda just want to hand this out so everyone's aware of it

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if I may. uh a revision to our tip, transportation improvement plan. And on that is with links is getting a grant for their bus shelters of $850,000. And then they're going to get a federal

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uh acquisition for buses for $500,000. Then they're going to get digital signage for capital for 25 for $250,000 for a total of $1.6 million. Just want to make sure everybody was aware of that. >> So does that 850,000 can be used to take

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down both shelters. >> No, I just make sure everybody >> I'll ask that question tomorrow. End of my report. Madam Chair, >> thank you, Commissioner Zimbau. >> Thank you very much. Uh, of course reminder, this uh May 11th through 17th

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National Mental Awareness Health Week. Um, also quick reminder and I'll wrap it up quick, the McCulla Road PD and E study. Uh I think most everybody got a notice of that just so the public is aware.

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Public hearings is uh Thursday, May 21st, 2026. And then the BCC hearing is Tuesday, June 2nd uh 2026. That'll be at on the 21st at 9:00 a.m. and Tuesday at 9:00 a.m. uh at the Orange County

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Commission Chambers, 21 South Roslin Avenue. I know that's a very important thing for a lot of people in our rural area. So, just a heads up on that. Outside of that, everything else is perfect. No emu is loose in my district right now. It's good.

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>> Thank you, Commissioner Constantine. We're on a roll. >> Yes, we are. Okay. I want to congratulate both Bob and Jay on on their events on April 30th. They were great. Um did want to let you know at the uh National Association of Counties Board of Directors meeting that um a lot

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of interest uh was met with other counties uh on our trails and our TID. So I've let our staff know to um get back to those counties to talk to them. And one thing that um myself and others

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have talked about in the past for a benefit to our uh to our employees that we should look at is child care. And I want you to know that uh um Pasco County is now implementing that in their um in

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in their offices, you know, in their administrative offices. And with us building a new complex, I you know, I've talked to the county manager about looking into that possibility and bringing it back if uh you know, if there's if it's feasible. Um also, I

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would like to uh let you know that Orlando Health is going to have a behavioral hospital ribbon cutting on the 15th. Leadership Seminar is also having a celebration as we all know on the 15th. Uh the Runway for Hope that we did give a proclamation to is having

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their runway on the 16th this Saturday. Um and uh just an update on the um Sloths. We almost lost one this morning, but we did not. She rallied or he rallied. I can't tell.

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>> It rallied >> there. It's called Ginger. and Ginger rallied and um and I will tell you one uh hits on this worldwide 1.4 billion

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>> hits. >> Yeah. Wouldn't that be nice? Um in in addition they we were also having a memorial ceremony at uh Crane's Roost this year on the 20th. And um I

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wanted to thank as Darren said the staff did a great job on the citizens academy. And uh I I do have a sad note that um a fellow state legislator that I served both in the House and the and the House

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and the Senate, Bill Posey, uh 16 years I served with him. He passed away. He has a incredible family and I give I um I all my condolences to the family

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and prayers and to the two ladies on the board. I hope you had great Mother's Days. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Does that conclude your presence? >> Yep. >> All right. I think that leaves it to to Commissioner Lockheart to round this up. >> Yeah. So, um, I wanted to let you all

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know, um, you know, about Kelly's Ice Cream. Kelly's is no secret. Commissioner Her is a huge fan. Um, but what you may not know is that Kelly's has moved their manufacturing facility from Orange County to Semol County recently.

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>> I did not know that. >> I know. >> We're super users. >> It's a huge get. and uh the seminal chamber has done a little uh a video welcoming them to the county and highlighting them and what have you. And so their newest location is actually in my district on Lake Mary Boulevard in

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the um HomeGoods TJ Maxx shopping center. So that's incredibly um convenient. So um anyway, had a great time uh welcoming them and and doing a quick little video. A great veterans lunchon. Shout out to everybody involved in

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putting that together. It's fantastic. um the America 250 truck tour that was in Winter Springs. I wasn't quite sure what I was going to walk into for that with that event, but it really if if you have an opportunity and you're somewhere in Florida and you see the there are

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eight or nine of these trucks around the country. They're 18 it's an 18wheeler that has been converted into the with a side pop out that you can walk through it and get like a a very high tech cool experience tour of this of the forming

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of our country for America 250. and it's just very well done. I It was very cool. I wasn't sure what to expect. Um congratulations to everyone at Seminal State. We had our spring commencement highest graduation

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attendance ever. Um 763 graduates actually walked. It's it's harder um at our some of our state colleges to encourage people to walk. Um but they had um it was just fantastic. The celebration was great. um attended the

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foundation for seminal county public schools donor appreciation event. Another great collaboration. Speaking of um the possibility of doing a um daycare type facility, that was something we had talked about years ago

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when we had imagined creating our five points uh admin building in conjunction with the school district that we could have a colllocated but I would thinking now we didn't have then but seminal state now has a an early childhood

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elementary education program that could be a nice little synergistic um opportunity there. So, thank you for bringing that up. Um, National Day of Prayer was held last week. I had the honor of offering a prayer at the Community Church in Castleberry for

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local, state, and national government. Um, such a neat group of people in our community. Also attended the ribbon cutting for uh at the National National Entrepreneur Center down at UCF Creative Village.

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I had no idea what a phenomenal facility that was, that campus down there. Admittedly, it's my first time down at that Creative Village area. But, um, I got my first City of Orlando parking ticket there. So, heads up to any of you

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who park down there. Street parking is not free. It did. It didn't It didn't dawn on me that I'd have to pay to park on the street. I know. I promptly paid my ticket. So, you're welcome, buddy. Um, but it was a great event other than getting a parking ticket. Uh,

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the >> the county to have a red light ticket, right? >> No, it was a non-moving violation. I just parked in the wrong spot. um the county manager and uh members of his team. We and Kate Ltor and and we met

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with the sheriff and members of his team and the state attorney uh and assistant state attorney to talk about where things are with the medical examiner process just to make sure that everybody is connected. We're all on the same page. We have um open dialogue going

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forward. I'm know everyone is going to be updated on uh important points moving forward, but it was a great meeting. Both the sheriff and the state attorney are very supportive of what we are doing. They are glad that we have made the decision that we have made and are I

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would say fully fully on board. >> Agreed. >> Um attended the Lake Mary City Commission meeting. Uh what a pleasure it is to work with that city. this their city manager was just fully engaged and involved and their commissioners were

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just are just such a delight. So, shout out to the city of Lake Mary. I've not attended very many of our city various city commission meetings, but they they did a very good job. Uh later this week, I will be in South Florida speaking with our emergency manager, Alan Harris, on a

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panel at the governor's um hurricane conference. I have not attended that conference before but I'm excited about that and I'm hoping that it's all for not that we have a conference this year and we have >> no storms that would be lovely but just in case um people are going to convene

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and have some good dialogue also for anyone who is interested in attending the rural boundary town hall that was being uh set up not by us but by members of the community that is being rescheduled. It was going to be held, I believe, this uh Thursday or Friday,

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Friday night, and it is now being rescheduled. Uh a date yet to be determined. >> That's the end of my report. >> Awesome. Thank you. Uh I'm going to give a big shout out to the library who hosted the Citizens Academy. I know we've talked about this before. I have

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to tell you, I was a little hesitant to pick the I picked the library on purpose as the one I went to because I wanted to see how they made that super cool and interesting. Um, I would rather probably be riding a a dump truck or jumping around on a dump truck if I were a kid.

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But 100% of the kids that were there were fully engaged. The parents were exceptionally relaxed. They were enjoying an afternoon and touring through the facility and doing all sorts of stuff. So, they did a fabulous job. Um, we have the air show is coming uh to the

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airport in Sanford at on September 26th and 27th. This year it will be demo jets, an F-22, an F-18 and an F-16. This is an off year, so it won't be um the Blue Angels.

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Uh I will also tell you that you may have heard through the grapevine that we have interacted with the uh facilitator of this. This is a for-profit operation and historically we have just somebody has between the sheriff and the city of

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Sanford paid for all of the security and this year we're doing a shared arrangement where they are chipping in an equal share to the rest of us including the airport who cannot pay for things like that but they uh will lean in with us somewhere else and um the

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city of Sanford and the sheriff's office. So, it was a an aligned collaboration to move this in into the future that the idea that this can't all be on the taxpayer. Uh, I did attend the rising achievers

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award. This was something that was put together years ago by Dee Shaner. The Lake Mary Rotary, Karen Almond is still doing it. Lake Mary Rotary is the former South Seinal Rotary is folded into the Lake Mary Rotary, so they're still doing it. It was it was really remarkable. I

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felt akin to the a lot of the kids that were there. They were very uh clear to mention that their GPA are not all 4.5s or whatever the scores are that you can get these days, but these were good solid C students. And I truly do believe that we run the world. And so I thought

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it was really cool that there's a scholarship opportunity for those of us that didn't actually buy all of our books. Um, I also did a I read our proclamation at the sheriff's office national day of prayer event which is hosted by Nancy

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Asavdo. She had a wonderful turnout. There were 13 different prayer leaders there all from uh the denominations around the county and it was it's really cool to see that all come together. It is a rare place to live where we get that to happen. And I'm gonna give out a

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shout a shout out for the veterans lunchon, but also congratulations to the veteran of the year, US Army Sergeant Brian Ortiz. >> We're super proud of you. And that does conclude my report, which I think allows us to adjourn this meeting.

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>> I don't see any citizens. You >> got anything hidden back there? No public comment. Meeting adjourned.