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[Music] Good afternoon and welcome back to the Semino County Board of County Commission meeting September 9th, 2025. It's approximately 1:30 and we're going to get started with the afternoon session. Uh, Commissioner Her
unfortunately will not be able to make it this afternoon. So, we will proceed with a quorum and we will uh begin our with the accepting proofs of publication for this afternoon's meeting. Motion >> to approve. Second.
>> Motion second. Any further discussion? All those in favor I opposed like sign. Seeing none carries unanimous. I will ask the county attorney Miss Caitlyn Tour to read into the record the rules of public participation. While the board welcomes comments from
all persons with an interest in these proceedings. Florida law requires that the board's decision in quasi judicial actions be supported by competent substantial evidence presented to the board during the hearings on the applications. Competent substantial evidence is such evidence as a reasonable mind would accept is adequate
to support a conclusion. There must be a factual basis in the record to support opinion testimony from both expert and non-expert witnesses. Persons presenting testimony may rely on factual information that they present, information presented by county staff,
information the applicant presented, or on factual information included in the county staff report to support their testimony. All persons who present written materials to the board for consideration must ensure that a copy of such materials is provided to the clerk for inclusion in the board's record of
the proceedings and official minutes. Mr. Chairman, >> thank you mo very much Mr. Tor. Uh I'm going to remind everyone if you would make sure that your phones are silenced. any other electronic devices you may have, please uh put those in airplane
mode or quiet mode out of respect for the uh the proceedings this afternoon. Um commissioners, please uh disclose any and all exparte in the method in which it was submitted, please. >> Mr. Chairman, I have no exparte communication for the record and I'll submit it.
>> Uh Mr. Chairman, I have spoken to both sides of the number 20 in the board of adjustment appeal. I've also spoken to a I've received a couple of phone calls and an email uh concerning the um
village on the green. >> Okay. >> And I've and I've given them to the >> Okay, Mr. Lockhart. Um, I received emails on village on the green and I received uh phone calls from uh for item
number 20 but was not able to connect with them. Um, but they did reach out to my office. >> Okay. Uh, I also received emails and all of my exparte has been submitted electronically to the clerk's office. >> And Mr. Chair chairman, just for clarification, I did receive emails but I've not spoken to anyone.
>> Okay. Fair enough, sir. All right. This is going to be our quasi judicial portion of the hearing. We will start today. Our uh staff will give a presentation to the board of the item that's up for consideration. Uh we will
then ask the applicant if they desire to make any statements. Then we will then ask for any public input. Once we get our public input, then we will go to the board for board direction. Our first item is number 20. Board of adjustment appeal. Appeal of the board's adjustment
decision to deny the request for an east side yard setback variance from 10 ft to 2 feet for detached accessory structure in the R1A single family dwelling district for property more particularly known as 1735 Carlton Street. This is
district 3 commissioner Constantines and we have Angie Gates who's going to give us a presentation. Good afternoon. >> Good afternoon. Angie Gates with planning and development. Item 20 is an appeal of the board of adjustment decision to deny the request for an east
sideyard setback variance from 10 ft to 2 feet for a detached accessory structure in the R1A single family dwelling district located at 1735 Carlton Street in Longwood. Nope. There we go.
>> Okay, >> I'll get it. Technology is great. >> A building code violation 25-76 was issued for the construction without the required permits resulting in the necessity of a variance. On June 23rd,
the board of adjustment denied the east sideyard setback variance and the for the existing 780 ft detached accessory structure. And on July 9th, the appellants, James and Marie Ryzen, filed a notice of appeal for the board
of adjustment decision. Staff findings determined that one or more of the six variance criteria were not met. And the board of adjustment found that granting of the requested variance would be volat one or more of the variance criteria found in the seminal county
land development code presenting the disproportionately injurous impact on a joining neighbor due to proximity of the detached accessory structure to the neighbor's property line and would therefore not be in harmony with the general intent and purpose of chapter 30 of the land development code to maintain
consistent setbacks. Staff requests the board of county commissioners uphold the decision of the board of adjustment to deny the request for an east sideyard setback variance from 10 ft to 2 feet for detached accessory structure at 1735 Carlton Street. This concludes my presentation
and I'm available for any questions the board may have. >> Thank you very much. Any questions for staff at this point? Seeing none, thank you very much. Stay tuned. the applicant uh James or Marie Ryzen, are they here and wish to make any presentation or statements to the
board at this time? >> If you are, please sir, come up to the microphone. Give us your name and address for the record. Quick reminder, as this gentleman's coming up, if anybody is here to speak on this item or any other items, please fill out a speaker form in the lobby
colored in yellow, and bring it up to the clerk here, Miss Dominique. We'd appreciate it. Thank you. Yes, sir. Your name and address? >> James Rezen, 1735 Carlton Street, Longwood. >> Yes, sir. Welcome. And please proceed. >> Thank you. Well, I had a good talk with Commissioner Constantine yesterday on
the phone. I know my chances aren't good. I know I've apologized about putting this up as sincerely as I can. My only point is if you we could look at it from a realistic standpoint, she
thinks it's an invasion on her property or her property rights. Um, and she thinks it's affecting her property value, but moving it over 8 ft is not going to change the look whatsoever from her perspective.
And that's the only thing I'm trying to get across. Um, I think I probably would have gotten a variance if I had done it outright, but it just seems that the after the fact is what's the big issue here? But, um, you know, she thinks it's affecting her
property 100%. If we move it over 8 ft, what percent is it then? It's probably going to be 98 or 95 or or nothing. It's going to look exactly the same from her perspective. It's about 70 ft from her back porch
and at 78 ft it's going to look no difference and that's really all I have to say. >> Thank you, Mr. Risen. >> All right. >> All righty. Is there anyone here from the public that wishes to speak on this matter? >> Yes, sir. There are two speakers.
>> Okay. If you'd call their names and we'll have them come up. >> Robert Taylor and Andrea Dinkens. Both in opposition. >> Taylor and Dinkens. you folks would come up, please. >> Good afternoon. Just give us your name
and address for the record, please, sir. >> Philip Taylor, 344 Nebraska Avenue, Longwood, Florida. >> Yes, sir. Please proceed. I'm speaking in opposition and in concurrence with the finding of
the uh zoning board that denied this application. The applicant admits that what he did is illegal. He admits that
he did it without the correct permits. The Dinkens who live next door went out and took this house that they're living in and completely rehabbed it and they put in a very nice 6- foot high cedar
fence that would give their neighbor privacy and give them some privacy. And in and in reward for their generosity and their work, he comes along and builds a illegal structure
on the property line. And based upon the picture there, you could put place a mobile home in there. And anybody that ever lived next door or has owned a mobile home, motor home, knows there's always a tendency to go outside and run
the generator and let the generator run and recharge and keep it lubricated, run the motor, run the air conditioning, and make unnecessary uh noise. So I think that
there's no doubt that he in and he's in in an illegal structure and it should be his application should be denied. >> Thank you Mr. Taylor Dinkens. Good afternoon, ma'am, and welcome. If you'll give us your name and address,
please feel free to pull the microphone down if you need to. >> Okay. My name is Andrea Denkins. My husband and I live at 1701 Carlton Street. We are the neighbor directly next door to Randy and his wife. The
illegal shed is in fact 2 feet away from our property line. is put up without a permit and it encroaches into the required 10- foot side setback that we're entitled to know that there's nobody going to build anything in that
section 10 ft. We've met with Randy and Marie this morning. Um their contention is it's not going to look any difference in my opinion. It's a big unattractive
30 foot long 12t tall ugly metal building. Yes, they're allowed to be constructed in this R1A zoning if they are in compliance with all of the current land development rules and regulations. And
we're all allowed to depend that those rules and regulations are enforced. And that's what we're asking that they do. They don't want to move it, we would like it moved. It's not that difficult to move. It doesn't have to be torn down
completely. In my opinion, as a previous construction manager, it can be moved over without that much difficulty. When we first complained to Randy and Marie about this the day after they put the thing up, I told him then, "Why don't
you call your crew back and have them just undo a few bolts and move the thing over where it belongs and then go get a permit and it's done." Here we are, five, six, seven months, however months later, a lot of money spent.
It still needs to be moved. It's still unattractive. It's still against the rules. It's still an eagle eagle shed that will in fact impact our property values when we try to sell this. Bill, who just spoke, is a retired real estate
broker that we've known for years, bought property from in the past. When he looked at it, he says that's going to be a problem when you try to sell it. Linda Copelan, who was a real estate representative who sold us our house, sold Randy or was involved in the sale
of his house. When she thought that's going to be a huge problem when you go to sell your house, it's clearly in violation, you can look at it from the front and say, "Gee, that's awfully close to that fence. It needs to be moved to so it can is in compliance."
Get a permit, move it over, be done with it. Thank you. >> Thank you. Madame Clerk, are there any other public comments on this matter? >> No, sir. >> Okay. Um, Mr. Eisen, do you have anything further to say in rebuttal to
the claims that have been made? >> Yes, please. >> If you would, sir, you'll be given a brief rebuttal. I just want to say um the the part about parking a mobile home there. I actually have the right to park an RV
as close to that property line as I want and it can be as tall as 12 ft tall, which is how tall the building is now. Most RVs are around 12t tall. If I move it over, that's probably what I'm going to do. And then she's going to look at an RV.
I don't see what the difference is. All I'm asking is to I want to put a cover over it. For the adjustment hearing, I had seven neighbors here. All that either shared a property line with me or were directly across the street from me. None of them
have a problem with it. The neighbor on the other side of her that also shares my backyard, the building goes over onto his side about 10 ft. The day I built it, he came over and said, "Wow, that's amazing." He loved it. She's the only one. The only thing she's upset about is
the permitting issue. I'm trying to make it legal and it's not going to be any different. It's like I said, if if this is impacting her, if she thinks this is impacting her the value of her property at 100% level, what is moving it over 8
ft going to do? It's not going to change her property value. Uh that's really, you know, and I and I didn't try to slam it on him before I built it. I went over and talked to them about it and told them what I wanted to
do. I was specific about the measurements. I told them it was going to be 30 ft wide. I said, "I'd be happy to buy any kind of plant material you would like to put along your fence to have it grow up to block it." They said, "Okay, we'll take you up on that." So, I
built it basically under false pretense. I know I still shouldn't have done it. I should have got a permit, but they said it was going to be okay for me to build it is if I was willing to put those plants there. I did that. I spent $2,200 doing that and then six months later
they still complained about it and that's all. Thank you. >> Thank you, sir. All right, we'll close public comment and we will go to board action. Any other questions or inquiries by the board? Commissioner Lockhart, >> I have a couple of questions for staff.
>> Staff, if you would please. and and it's generally uh code type questions that may well here's the question if the if this structure lack of
permitting aside right let's put that aside if this structure did not have a wall on the property line side if it was a cantalievered awning extending out Would that awning
without supports have to abide by the 10-ft setback if it were 18 in? I'm sorry. If it were 18 in If What was 18 in? The overhang, the awning. If there were no wall, but the awning has to be
supported by something. It's usually measured by the vertical supported structure. If the overhang were over 18 inches, that's where the setback would then be measured from. That code changed in
April of 2000 or 2024. >> Can I ask for clarification that Mr. Chairman, >> please? Okay. So, you're saying the overhang over the supports can be a maximum of 18 in or a minimum of 18 in? >> 18. It can be a max of 18.
So if there's no if there's structural columns >> and the roof overhangs those structural columns by 18 inches, it would be legal >> if it met the setback. >> Oh, it's got to meet the setback. >> It's got to meet the setback. >> Still got to meet the setback. >> Yes. So I want >> if it were just a standard roof overhang.
>> If I could commissioner follow up because I'm not sure I've got clarity yet myself. >> Um so we're looking at this structure. >> Okay. And for for lack of other things, I would call it a a large carport type structure. >> Yes. >> Two walls. Are you saying the 18inch
overhang is from the face of either wall going out? >> They don't have an overhang that big, >> right? >> Question hypothetical because they're overhang. Can I Is it okay if I go to the picture? >> Absolutely. Please do. >> So I So forget about this structure for
just a minute. Okay. Don't even think about the structure. Pretend we didn't even see this picture just for a minute. >> Okay. So, if if someone wanted to build a cantalievered awning, a canopy,
what would the setback be based on? The edge of the cantalievered structure or the support beam supporting it? If the canal levered portion of the structure is over 18 in
or is 18 inches or greater than that would start the setback. I think I I don't understand then. >> I think I I think I do. >> If if I if someone wanted to build a 10-ft canopy >> out,
you're saying the setback is from the edge of the canopy, not from the support structure. >> It is from the support structure, but can lever is not supported. Overhangs aren't supported where the overhang is. Usually overhangs
are anywhere from 12 over and our code states that anything over 18 in that's where the setback starts. If it doesn't have an overhang, it's from the
vertical plane or wall. >> Can you show us in that photo there what you think you're telling us, please, Mr. Chairman? >> And Mr. Gomez is here maybe to help clarify a couple of things. >> Don't we have a hard copy of the photograph you can lay on the overhead?
>> I have one right here. >> Here you go. >> Okay. >> A large photo. >> So the >> the clarification is that the overhang you can have have up to 18inch overhang over the setback.
>> Okay. All right. That makes sense. >> That's the clarification. >> Okay. Okay. So, you can you can project >> the support beam could be at the 10 ft set back and then you're allowed only 18 in over that. >> Okay.
>> Over that setback. >> So, >> so the columns have to be outside the setback. Correct. >> You could structurally engineer it with the columns back further. >> That That's >> Yeah. Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay.
>> All right. So, it is 18 inches over the 10 feet regardless of where your post is as long as it's within the 10 feet. Okay, that was that was that was my baseline question for moving forward. >> Yeah, I was all whenever you said 18 inch, I'm talking about overhead. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay, I got it now.
Thank you. >> Anything else? >> No. >> Okay. This is Commissioner Constantine's district commissioner. >> Well, thank you very much. And I met with both um Mr. Verizon and Miss Dinkens are by phone yesterday. I also
drove by on more than one occasion. Um the question before us today is not uh whether or not uh bushes were put in or or um any of the other things which by the way are not as high as the fence.
The question is whether or not this is falls within the rules. I gave Mr. rise in every opportunity to tell me why this is a uh u um um why this should be approved and why uh the rights of his
neighbor uh should not be considered. And quite frankly, I you know, with all due respect and I he seemed like a very nice man, I didn't get anything um that I felt was legitimate. I will move that we support the staff recommendation and
uphold the board adjustments uh denial of the appeal. >> Have a motion? >> Second. >> And a second. Any further discussion? I I I do believe the board of appeal did get this right. And of course, you know,
the board of appeal serves a purpose uh to give our public uh yet another chance at a hearing to before it ever comes before us. But I think the board appeal definitely got this right. So I will support this. All those in favor? I
>> oppose like sign. Carries unanimously. Thank you all very much. And my hopes are that the neighbors can continue to try to get along and and work with each other to the best of their uh ability to be good neighbors. >> Well, they did talk to this morning, which was the first time in a long time,
and I asked them last night to do that. >> Good stuff. All right. Next item up is item 21, Village on the Green, smallcale future land use map amendment PD major amendment reszone. Miss Annie Siloway will be presenting this as our principal
planner on behalf of the staff. Miss Siloway. >> Good afternoon. Um Annie Siloway with development services. Um the applicant is requesting a small-scale future land use map amendment from highdensity residential and plan development to plan
development and a reszone from R3 multiple family dwelling and PD plan development to PD plan development. The subject site was approved as part of the Sable Point PD in 1979 with entitlements for single family residential, multifamily, a golf course,
office, and commercial uses on 3,50 acres. In 2018, the board of county commissioners approved a PD major amendment reszone on 75.76 acres of the Sable Point PD, now known as the Village on the Green PD, with entitlements for a
continuum of care facility of 144 beds providing skilled nursing care for assisted living and memory care along with 514 independent living units for residents 55 years and older with a maximum density of 10.78 dwelling units per net buildable acre and a Maximum
138,100 square ft for the healthc care facility and 35,76q ft clubhouse. The applicant is proposing to incorporate an additional 6.83 83 acres designated as pod E on the master
development plan from the remaining Sable Point PD into the village on the green PD for the addition of 40 independent living dwelling units consisting both of duplexes and single family units. The applicant proposes to add a 5,500 square ft amenity building
and two sport courts within the southern portion of pod B2. The overall development will maintain a maximum density of 7.09 09 dwelling units per net votable acre and a maximum floor area ratio of60. The site appears to be approximately
4.880 acres of flood plane on the existing village on the green subject property. However, the newly incorporated 6.83 acre parcel does not contain any flood plane or wetlands. The development proposes a new access
point onto Aiva Springs Road from the newly incorporated 6.8 83 acre parcel referred to as pod E while maintaining access via Sable Point Drive. Loka Springs Road is classified as an urb urban minor arterial while Sable Point
Sable Palm Drive is classified as a local roadway. There are discussions of a gate into the proposed potty site. The county engineer has concerns with access to the site, such as possible queuing out onto Wakiva Springs Road. And based on these traffic concerns, a right turn
lane or other entrance requirements may be required at the time of final engineering. The developer will be required to maintain a 15t wide landscape buffer along the south and southeast perimeter and a 10-ft wide landscape buffer along the west boundary
of the newly incorporated 6.83 acre parcel referred to as pod E. The amenity encompassing the the amenity area encompassing the amenities building and sport courts shall maintain the previously approved 10- foot wide buffer
along the southern boundary of pod 2 B2. The proposed project is located within the Little Wakiva drainage basin. A portion of the site has a master drainage basin system. Due to the basin having a limited downstream capacity, the site will have to be designed to
hold water quality and the pre versus post volumetric difference for the 25 24 year storm event. The purpose and intent of the planned development feature land use designation is to enable innovative arrangements of
the land development features that are not possible with the use of standard land use designations and zoning districts. The proposed PD plan development zoning classification is compatible with the redevelopment in the area along Waka Springs Road. The proposed use creates a compatible
transition between the existing commercial and residential developments, incorporating appropriate setbacks, landscaping, and open space. The master development plan demonstrates adequate buffering along the entire perimeter of the subject site and fencing around the entire site. The applicant has
demonstrated that the proposed development is consistent with the comprehensive plan as referenced in the staff report. As per the land development code section 30.8.5.3 states, in approving a plan development, the board of county commissioners shall
affirm that the proposed development is consistent with the comprehensive plan. Greater benefit and innovation criteria. In addition, PD zoning may be approved only when the board determines that the proposed development cannot be reasonably implemented, though existing
provisions of this code, and that a PD would result greater benefits to the county than development under conventional zoning district regulations. Such greater benefits must include two or more of the following. The first benefit is crime prevention.
The developer proposes to install a secure perimeter fence with adequate landscape buffering between adjacent land uses that differ in density. This includes a fenced site with controlled single point gate access for the exclusive use of residents and their authorized guests. And the second
benefit is a reduction in vehicle miles traveled per household. The proposed development is situated within the designated urban centers and corridors overlay and by expanding housing opportunities, including a range of housing types for senior citizens and providing convenient access to on-site
amenities, amenity buildings and sport courts, as well as leveraging existing pedestrian infrastructure to nearby retail and grocery stores. The applicant has demonstrated that the proposed development is compliant with all relative relevant sections of the
ver of the review criteria, including design standards, neighborhood improvements, and common usable open space requirements as demonstrated in the architectural renderings and referenced in your staff report. Staff finds the proposed plan
development future land use designation and the plan development zoning classification to be consistent with the comprehensive plan. The applicant conducted a community meeting on May 8th, 2025 and no one attended the meeting. Details of the community meeting have been provided in your
agenda package. The planning and zoning commission met on August 6, 2025 and voted unanimously to recommend the board of county commissioners adopt the ordinance in acting a small-scale future land use map amendment from highdensity residential and plan development to plan development
and adopt the associated ordinance enacting a reszone from R3 multiple family dwelling and PD plan development to PD plan development and approve the associated development order and master development plan In response to public concerns raised at the planning and
zoning commission meeting regarding the lack of notification for the community meeting, the commission directed the applicant to conduct an informal outreach with adjacent neighbors and nearby homeowners associations. As a result, the applicant held a community outreach meeting on August 19th to
address questions from the Springs HOA about the proposed development. Staff requests the board of county commissioners approve the proposed small-cale future land use map amendment and concurrent reszone as per the following two motions. Based on staff's
findings and the testimony and evidence received at the hearing, the board of county commissioners finds the request meets the identified portions of the comprehensive plan and moves to adopt the ordinance enacting a small-cale future land use map amendment from highdensity residential and plan
development to plan development. And based on staff's findings and testimony and evidence received at the hearing, the board of county commissioners finds the request meets the identified portions of the Seminal County Land Development Code and moves to adopt the ordinance enacting a reszone from R3
multiple family dwelling and PD plan development to PD plan development and approve the associated development order and master development plan. And lastly, for the record, the applicant notified us this afternoon of the proposed changes to the location of the sports
courts in response to concerns raised during the informal community meeting. However, um staff has not reviewed a revised master development plan or development order. And that concludes my presentation. >> Thank you, Miss Silhou. Um I do have a
question. any insight to why there was no attendance at the first community meeting, but there seemed to be some attendance at the planned zoning. Did we follow up and and dig into that?
>> Um, the applicant stated that they they met the requirements for the thousand foot radius that's required for community meeting um uh requirements. Um however for the notifications that we send out um it's 1500 um foot radius. So
that I think that was why um some of the community um did not receive um did not attend the meeting. >> Okay. And I and I know I was here in 2018. I think all of us were here in 2018. We went through this this was a
pretty big issue back then uh with the golf course and so forth. And I know the district commissioner, Commissioner Constine, spent a great deal of time in the community and I think uh every one of us spent time up there going through. So the 6.83 acres, I want to make sure
for the record this is an existing 6.83 acres that was part of that 2018 decision-making process or it was a newly acquired parcel since then. It's a newly acquire
It's a newly acquired parcel since then. >> I just want to make sure we had that on the record. No problem. >> Any further questions from the board? >> Commissioner Lockhart, >> can you point me to the schematic that would show where the
court sport the sports court is? I think it might be page 927. >> 927. I'm not sure in your um the number in your um agenda package, but um that is the architectural rendering as far as
um the location of the sport courts. I can go also to the master development plan. So that's a zoomed in um view of the master >> zoomed in. >> Yeah. >> All right. I don't see I don't Okay. >> So pod B2 um is shown to uh the amenity
buildings in the two sport locations where it's grayed out. over to the bottom right. Do you want me to point it? >> If you can. >> Um, I don't see sports courts on there. Are
we talking pickle ball? Is that what we're talking about? And we're calling the sports courts. No, >> I got one. That's so funny. One of you nodded your head yes. And the other nodded your head no. You got to get your story straight before you come sit down. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, okay. So, they're up there in that. So that's a very small um court of some
sort. Okay. >> Yes. So there's an amenity building and then there would be a sports court. >> There isn't two that are shown on the conceptual plan, but that is the area. Okay. Of of where they're >> So you're proposing to move the courts but leave the building where it is.
>> That's correct. >> Great. >> Okay. >> I have a question for >> Yes. Commissioner Delari. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In your presentation, you spoke about that staff will need additional review to see if there's turning lanes that need to be uh
installed. Is there enough real estate to do that? >> Um, I can leave that question up to engineering. >> All right, >> Mr. Gomez. >> Jose Gomez, development services director. So, right now, uh, what the frontage of that site is actually already on a retaining wall and the
sidewalk's actually right on the back of curbs. So, in order to fit a turn lane there, there will likely need to be dedication from that prop from the frontage from the property owner and uh that retaining will probably have to be extended uh and new handrail installed
there. So, so there will be some work and some dedication. >> I realize I just want to make sure that there's enough real estate to do that. >> There is enough real estate if the applicant dedicates the necessary right of way. >> There you go. All right. All right. Any
further questions of staff? Seeing none, thank you, Mr. Gomez. Uh, would the applicant come forward, please, and uh, give your presentation. Good afternoon. Your name and address for the record, please. Good afternoon. For the record,
McGregor Love, uh, 215 North Eola Drive from the Louns Law Firm. um here on behalf of the applicant. Chairman Zimbau, I want to at first address your question about the community meeting notice because it's a it's a it's
something that we've looked into and and genuinely don't have an answer for. But I can give you the facts as I know them, which are that the notices were sent out prior to the meeting. I believe it was uh prior to the planning board meeting, we actually received at the law firm um
several return um envelopes. I believe about three. We still have them um because we thought it was odd because we received them after the the meeting was conducted. uh when we conducted the informal meeting uh one of the folks
that attended said that the day before she received the notice the mailed notice for the actual community meeting. So, I have no idea what hijinks happened with the US Postal Service or however however it was mailed out, but I believe the folks when they say that they didn't
receive a mailed notice of it. Um, but I believe that in the intervening, you know, during that that meeting, after that meeting, and in our in our informal meeting, we've really tried to to inform the the public about what we're
proposing here. And I think I think that uh that we've been s largely successful in that regard. Um >> thank you. >> Yes sir. Uh so if you could Annie to just flip to the next uh the next page and we'll this is just so for context
and this was sent in I believe it'll be as part of your record. The first several of these slides are the slides that I showed at the informal community meeting and I really tailored these based on, you know, some of the questions about the the application and
and and Commissioner Lockheart, you were looking at the master development plan saying, "I don't see courts there." Um, I believe that's what much of the confusion was related to with the master development plan. It's just very general.
>> Yeah. and and it doesn't really provide much information about where are these uses going to be in practice. Um so what I wanted to do is to show first of all the parcel question clearly uh out front
and then we showed a concept plan as well. So this was the first slide that we showed at that meeting. You can flip to the next one Annie. This is a uh it's very difficult for you to see so I will I will tell you what the numbers say. Um, this is this was conducted by Kimley
Horn, our engineer, after the the the first meeting because really the main issue that this neighborhood has, that this area has is is storm water. It's uh it's an issue in this area. Um, but we're in a unique position where we can say that this development will in its
own, you know, limited scope way improve the situation because what is there right now, you couldn't build right now. You could you could reuse it. Uh you another tenant could come in and and put it, you know, make it make it into a a skating rink if they wanted to or some
other use because it is a legal non-conforming building. But if you redevelop it now, you have to meet code. Uh and so what we have there right now is 71.7% existing impervious area. Uh and that's
that was uh calculated based on our our survey. And you can go to the next. And this is a you know Google 3D image of the existing building built in 1983. 67,125
square ft. And again there's the um more legible ISR. You go to the next. Thank you Annie. So this is a concept plan and and you can see in red I had to do my lawyerly work there. uh and I did at the community
meeting uh that this is really just forformational purposes only. Um and it is meant to give more information than the the bubble plant did of course. Um so this is a combination of PZ and B2. U so what we're proposing 40 independent
living units uh the reduced ISR the existing uh you know LDC allows a max of 60%. Right now we're anticipating around 55% and that's pretty conservative. Uh so it it will be a substantial decrease
in imperous area. Um right now the the use it was a call center that produces 119 p.m. peak trips. The proposed use would be 20 p.m. peak trips. These are the really two large issues that that we can say that we will improve. You can go
to the next one. And this is where we diverge from what I showed at the community meeting and I begin to present new information to you. Um, so the sports courts, uh, this was something that surprised me at the community meeting that we held because it was
probably the most favorably received bit of news that we were able to tell those residents is that we are not going to have pickle ball courts where this concept plan shows courts. We're not going to have courts, hard hard asphalt courts of any kind uh in this area. Um
we're going to move that to the existing development to the which is in relation to this is to the northwest kind of uh near where the uh I believe where the the old you know golf clubhouse is somewhere that's currently in the boundary of the PD and away from
neighboring property owners. Right now, the anticipation is that we we still will have an amenity building. Um, you know, that that'll be permitted as part of the use. Um, but but we'll remove the sports courts. And that was something that was uh was a big item for the folks
who raised concerns. So, we can go to the next one. Now, I am going to move on to some questions that came up during that meeting that we we um said that we would look a little bit further into. One is the landscaping buffering. Uh so we do
have some enhanced landscape buffers here and I know that Annie uh with the county did go over those so I won't spend too much time on them. This is just a the images are side by side. So again we can relate the uh very general master development plan to the existing
you know aerial. Uh so we have types uh B and H. If we go to the next page, Annie, u as Annie described in her presentation, these are both 15 foot wide landscape buffers and there's an opacity rating um there associated with.
Another question that came up at the community meeting is uh whether because in fairness, the development order provides for landscaping. It doesn't really discuss maintenance. Um I was positive that we were required to maintain it. uh uh but this is the land
development code section that of course would apply that any any any landscaping that's required to be uh installed uh must be maintained. So I just want to make it clear to you and to the public that that we are obligated to maintain
landscaping that we install. And another another point on this um that I'll mention. Can you actually Andy would you mind going back to that previous uh paper? So you can see along that um southeast
boundary there is existing um you know tree and uh ground coverage. Uh so existing uh you know or you know trees and and co and shrubs can be counted towards that requirement
but we don't know whether that will be enough to meet what the type H and type A will require but we'll we'll determine that during final site plan but but existing can count towards that. So I just wanted to clarify that.
Thank you. You can move on to that next one. And finally, there was a specific question related to this area. Uh very specific and you know there was some discussion about whether uh whether we
had the right to sort of drain. This is by the way offsite. It's to the north part of the village on the green. So not exactly related to this project, but something we said that we would look into. Uh this is on our property. Uh and and there was a discussion about needing an easement to to drain into this area,
but we just wanted to show the property appraisers kind of a image of this to show that it is on our property. And then the next image is the layer from the FEMA map just to show that this is kind of a low area that
water all kind of collects down to. Uh that concludes my presentation. Uh we have folks from Kimley Horn here. We have folks from uh uh the the owner and and operator of the proposed development who can answer questions and we have our
architect as well. So any questions you have, we invite them. Thank you. >> Thank you. Any inquiries from the board at this point? Okay, seeing none, we will go to public comment. If you How many do we have, Miss Dominique?
>> Only one. >> Okay. Um, when we call your name, if you'd come down, give us your name and address on the record and uh tell us what your thoughts are. >> Is Sue Jordan. >> Miss Jordan.
>> Good afternoon and welcome. And feel free to pull that down to your comments. >> Thank you. I'm Sue Jordan. I live at 163 Crown Point Circle. I'm the HOA president of the neighborhood that butts upright against this. Um and um
>> Miss M. Jordan, real quick, sorry to interrupt. >> Are you here on behalf of the HOA? Other words, has your board sent you here to speak on behalf of all the residents of your HOA? >> No, I came um so that meeting on the ETH, I was in a
play at the Ritz here in Sanford and I could not attend. Uh, >> I just want to make sure how much time you had. So, you'll have your standard three minutes. >> Yeah. I'm not here. I in fact, I didn't even have my name on here until I heard a couple of things mentioned that I was like, hm, I'm not sure if that's correct or not. >> Sure.
>> Um, so nothing official, but I um, you know, was informed of the May 8th and then got the letter of this meeting and then one previous to this, I think. Um, but I was not aware of the informal August 19th meeting. And when someone
was up here speaking, they said, "We let the springs know." Well, we are Crown Point at the Springs. We are not the Springs. We are We are um our neighborhood is right up against the pond or the retention pond or whatever
that is. And um a lot of the photographs seem to be old photographs. Before my condo association, they built another building after 80 the 80s. So, there's an an entire two buildings that are built right there next to the pond. And
it's hard to for me to see on these photographs, you know, I I don't see that those buildings included in in the maps and the drawings, but I will say at our last meeting, there's only two of us on the board, by the way. So, um the the
treasurer >> That makes things efficient, doesn't it? >> Yes. No, it does not. The treasurer had gone on and seen some of the photographs and we were actually very relieved and excited because actually his sports court seemed good, but also just the
landscaping and that retention pond. We've had trouble finding out whose responsibility it is to keep it clean. It needs to be dredged. It it when it rains like last year during the rainy season, it the water just rises. And um so we felt like given the way the rest
of Village on the Green looks, it's going to improve and beautify that area. Um but I'm concerned with this the space between the pond and where our property is because it's my understanding that right now there's a lot of space there
and a lot of shrubbery, but that our actual property line is really up close to our condo building, our actual line. And so tonight when I heard the fencing and the easement there was going to be space there that was very encouraging.
But I was concerned what type of fence, right? Because right now out my deck I see this green space and it's amazing why I bought the condo. But if there's going to be, you know, a fence, that's going to change things. And there's a
lot of space there. So, we were wondering like tonight I heard uh pedestrian walkways because that was the other thing we thought, well, maybe they're going to want their members to be able to walk around the retention pan and get to the sports court and that could be a good thing. Will there be a
sidewalk on that side of the pond where currently there isn't anything um that will come up onto what isn't our property technically, but it is definitely in our view. Um, so I I felt like we wanted to
learn more. That first meeting I couldn't attend and then I'm here at this meeting hoping to learn more. So I just wanted to ask the question about that August 19th meeting if it went to Crown Point at the Springs in addition to the Springs because we actually have
property up on the line. The Springs is more I I don't I'm not sure about that. So, we'll see if we can get some we'll see. >> It's the pond specifically and on the landscaping thing. I couldn't see where the pond was in relation to those buildings. So, I'd love some further
explanation on that. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. All right. Any further public input on this matter? >> No, sir. >> Okay. We will go back to the applicant for any rebuttal and uh hopefully Mr. love, you can maybe address some of the
questions that uh this HOA might have had. >> Yes. Again, for the record, McGregor Love um regarding the the the notice uh you know, this was an informal meeting and the way that we did it is uh you know, we were given direction uh uh you
know, after that meeting and and as as part of the the sort of recommendation for approval, why don't you cooperate with with the folks who spoke there that night? And we actually met with them out in the hall uh for probably 20 minutes and and we kind of gathered as much contact information as we could and then
and then used folks who seemed to be well connected with the various associations to send out email notices and I apologize that uh the uh the woman who spoke did not receive one of those but I hope that we can answer those questions uh for her today. Um if we
could um Andy, do you have the ability to go back to the concept plan paper or if you Yeah, you have a aerial of it. Um so, you know, I believe that what is being discussed here um the the woman's
uh property is to the to the east. Is it to the east? So, in the around the retention pond area, um there is you can see a walkway uh that'll be on on our property on the PD property. There is no proposed
walkway um across any of the retention ponds right now. Um that's not anticipated, but again, this is when you look at what and I want to be clear about what the sort of limits of a of a development order are and what the limits of a master development plan are. I mean, what you're seeing now is a
concept plan shows a non-binding visualization of what might be on the property. Um, but that's not uh binding like the master development plan is binding. And it's not to say that we couldn't uh uh propose a walkway across
one of the uh retention ponds. It's not currently anticipated. Uh but related to the retention pond issue, uh this was discussed at the informal meeting that the the condition of those ponds today is a concern. Um and those will have to
be reertified as part of our uh development review. So the condition of those ponds, you know, through development should should improve. Uh apart from that um that th that that is as best as I can do to answer uh those
questions. Uh if if you have more pointed ones that that might direct me in the right area, I'm happy to to try to answer those as well. >> Any further inquiries, Commissioner Constantine? >> Thank you. The other question u that Crown Point brought up was the fence.
So could you answer that question? So yeah, the fence u the requirement if if that development is maybe to the south that's either go that probably is going to be the landscape. I I actually
believe I see now now that I'm looking at the aerial. Could you go um to Annie? Do you have the an aerial of the property? So I believe that the the woman is referring to the um the
property in that if you look at the image on the right side, I believe it's at that corner of you know the right you know the eastern side of that aerial. So southeast that's exactly point can you point to it just to make sure we've got it on the record. >> Sure.
>> Right here. Okay. Ma'am, >> is that your is that your No, it's way down >> down lower. that >> ma'am. Is that what you're concerned with? >> Okay. Okay, >> we got it. Thank you, ma'am. >> Now, actually, this way though, too. I
can't see the pond. Where's the pond on there? Pond's up here. Okay. So, that whole that pond and then down towards the >> Okay. So, those are the buildings you were asking about that are right there on that border. Correct.
>> All right. So Mr. Love, you want to infer upon what's happening there? >> Sure. So, so again, those are those those are going to be the two buffer types, the the at the buffer type H uh and the buffer uh landscape buffer type
B. Uh so those will both be 15t wide um with an opacity rating of.3. Um and fencing requirements, I'm I'm not I don't have that information in front of me. I don't know if there's someone from county staff that that might be able to
weigh in on what those fencing requirements are. >> Sta staff, do you want to make a comment on that? >> Hi, I'm Annie Siloway for the record. Um, yes, the applicant is proposing to fence around um the duplexes and single family on the outside. The landscape
buffers will be on the outside of the perimeter fence. I don't know at this point what type of fence it will be, but they are proposing to fence around the perimeter excluding the portion to access to the existing village on the green site. >> So to be clear, I want to make sure what
you just said is what I think I understood. >> Sure. >> There's going to be a fence. >> Mhm. >> Then there's going to be a landscape barrier on the outside of the fence. Is that true or not? >> Yes. So if where where the required landscape buffers are required to be placed, the landscape buffers will be on
the outside of a of a fenced area. >> So from the adjoining properties, they will first see the landscaping buffer before the fence. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Just want to make sure. >> Commissioner Lockhart, >> they're not going to be Oh, sorry. >> So could you point to me in the
development order where the fence is mentioned? >> It's going to be in the I'm sorry, Commissioner Lockhart. It's going to be the development order won't say directly where the fence is going to be located, but it's in the landscape buffer. >> The word fence, where is the word fence
in the development order? >> Oh, I I don't know that it's in there because >> Yeah, because the buffer >> she's saying there's going to be a fence and I'm reading the development order looking for where it says there's a fence and I don't see a fence. I only see landscape buffers and the applicant
just referred to H and >> right those are the in the code the buffer requirements are in the code so the fencing would be in the code as far as opacity goes based on the type of buffer okay so I'm
going to do my holiday and express thing again from this morning if it's not in the development order it's not going to happen so if if there's going to be a fence if there's is expected to be a fence that needs to be in the DO. Is that not correct?
>> So, the development order references the type of buffer that's required. The buffer in the code tells you about the fencing or the wall you can have. And Annie, you can correct me if I'm wrong. Um, it tells you the level of
opacity. So, if you say you're required to have this buffer and in the code that buffer requires fencing or or an opacity level that would require a fence, it would be in the code. So, it would be required. The DO references the code
requirements for this. >> Again, I don't think a.3 opacity requires a fence. >> Yes. So, Tesa's what she just explains is correct. You're you're asking about where the fence is called out. It is not called out in the development order, but
we, you know, it can be added. >> Well, no, I'm not asking to add it. >> I believe you're asking if it's required. Is a fence required? >> Right. Because it says.3 opacity for both of the areas that you identified, and I wouldn't think.3 opacity would require a fence. >> It it does not require a fence. >> Okay. So, why are we talking about
fences? I'm just want to make sure we're clear because the the lady from the de neighboring development is now hearing there's going to be a fence, but there is nothing written in here unless it had 100% opacity. I don't know what opacity
requires a fence, but I know.3 doesn't. So, I just want to make sure that nobody's leaving here misinformed, creating other problems later down the road. And Commissioner Constantine, forgive me. This is your district and I'm meddling. I'm meddling in your district.
No, you're not. So, I mean, try to get this clear, too. >> So, to be clear, before we go to district commissioner uh and then commissioner Delari, you know, the purpose of this hearing is why we're here today is make this decision as board of county commission is not a public uh community meeting that has
already been held and subsequent held. I'm trying to give some latitude to let the community understand or try to get some understanding since you weren't able to make that meeting. So, with that said, we'll move to the commissioner. >> Can I just ask can I ask a question for Commissioner Constine because it's along
the same lines as Commissioner Lockhart >> and the applicant as well as the DO on buffer H as well as a couple other ones talks about the passive rating and now they're adding a fence. Is defense gonna be in lie of the
opacity rating or is it gonna be with the I need clarification. >> Sure, that's not a problem. Um, sure. >> Um, so the buffers that are called out in the development order are required by the code. Um, the the addition of the
fence was on the applicant. They're providing it in addition to the landscape buffers. So he's going to provide the buffer which an opacity of.3 >> plus a fence. >> That's correct. >> Okay. So
>> Commissioner Constantine, go ahead and then I need to follow up a couple things. >> Yeah. Let me let me just first of all, Madam Clerk, what is the nice young lady that spoke earlier? Cuz everybody's saying the lady the lady Sue Jordan.
>> Okay, Miss Jordan. Um, Miss Jordan is concerned, and I'm sure those people at Crown Point because you look at it, it's the southeast that right now they look out over a drainage ditch that looks like well, but looks like a lake to
them. Okay? It's a body of water that they will not touch, but they like to look at. Okay? So, the question now is we had this fence. I'd never heard anything about offense until Miss Jordan brought it up.
So, are we having a fence or we are not having a fence? And I think it's not required, but it is required. So, is somebody Mr. Love can tell me whether there's going to be a fence or not. >> And this is a part of the hearing where I am going to call up one of my team members.
>> Bring somebody up, please. >> I think I heard Mr. Love say earlier >> that they're all moving at home. But I'm trying to find out where, what, where, who, why, and how. >> All right. If you'd come up, sir, and give us your name and address for the record.
>> Darren Asdo, AIA architect outside in architect. I'm sorry, PI Architects, 1345 Virginia Lee Circle, Brooksville, Florida. Um, so with the with discussion about the the code, I mean, our intent is to meet the code um if there is a
requirement or a need to have a fence. um you know for security then I think it's in the right of the the applicant to have that fence. Um I do respect Crown Point's you know views. I think that that's something that's important. Um it's unfortunate when they planned
their site that they did place their buildings right up against you know the property line. Uh it does you know make not a lot of space for uh vegetation. Um the location of a fence in that area does present a maintenance issue though. uh when you do put up a fence and you
try to put landscaping between a fence and a property line, it becomes just that, a maintenance issue. Uh and then there's sometimes, you know, question about who's maintaining that um and so forth. So when we get to the site plan portion of our design, I think that's going to come into play.
>> Correct. >> So, so go ahead, commissioner. >> Thank you. So, I want to get straight for everybody. So, you hadn't planned a fence is what you just said. We had not planned a fence at that area that >> Miss Miss Jordan thought that there was
going to be a fence and she was concerned about her view. Is that you know just shake your head? Yeah. Okay. So she's she was concerned about that. You're not talking about a fence right now though. >> I wouldn't preclude that at this point. I think when we finish the site planning
>> we do have the buffer. >> We do have the buffer. >> Okay. And that was nice. They liked the buffer. Um, so I'm just I just wanted to get it clear between the people that have talked what's going on. Okay. Thank you very much. I um you know right now
you don't know whether there's going to be a fence or not. >> I do not. Thank you. Okay. >> And I think what I heard earlier from Mr. Love was there was a possibility for security reasons a fence would be erected. >> Yes. I think at the site planning stage
of this evaluation >> and that would be the appropriate time is during the site planning for us to understand what all goes in place because I also heard >> that there may be some some interaction with one of the ponds on this parcel to
help improve drainage which is subject to change a lot of things depending on what St. John's water management makes you do or not do whatever the county code makes you do and not do. Um, so I think I understand that. I just want to be clear. All I was trying to do in
abundance of caution was try to help the community hear some details that they weren't able to attend to a meeting. That's all. So, >> um, Mr. Love, if you want to try to wrap things up, we'll try to move this along to the board. >> Sure. And I did speak with Kimley Horn,
our engineers, while this discussion was taking place. And and and there is no current intention to put a fence in this area. Uh that that's that's the last word on this that I will say. All right. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. We sincerely appreciate it. >> We will close any public input and move
to board action. Commissioner Constine, this is your district. >> So just a little little bit about the history. There has been some concern um in the uh during some of the the rainy season and also during the hurricanes
about a lot of flooding over to the springs. and from this um using this potentially uh this area as the culprit if you will. The discussion um at the comm at the board of of zoning
um was a good one in that they suggested to have a meeting with those folks and there was a lot of folks there that had a concern about specifically the drainage and the storm water and and all that. It seems because I don't see them
here or speaking that a lot of those concerns have been addressed and we've already had the discussion earlier in the land development code about imperous surface. And the fact of the matter is taking down that 67,000 square foot
building and putting up um you know less impervious uh area is going to be a good thing. and Mr. Gomez has indicated that he felt that that was going to be a positive for
the drainage in that area. All of that to come. Miss Jordan, who was not at either of those two meetings, um you know, does feel also that there's going to be improvements
here. So, that's a good thing. Um, I would just suggest, I'm not going to put it in the motion, but I would just suggest that the Village Green folks get with that homeowners association of two and work with them about the since they
like the um the buffering, but you know, just concerns about the fences so that their view is not obstructed into the drainage ditch. So, um or the beautiful lake, whatever you want to call it. So if if we don't have any more
discussion, I will um >> floor is yours, Commissioner >> suggest and make a motion to let me just get the motion out so that I've got it here that based on the staff findings and the testimony of evidence received from the
hearing, the board of county commissioners find requests to meet the ident identified portions of the comprehensive plan and moves to adopt the ordinance enacting a small-scale future land use map amendment from highdensity residential and planned development to plan development and based on the staff's finding and the
testimony and evidence received at the hearing, the board of county commissioners finds the request meets the identified portions of the seminal county land development code and moves the adoption of the ordinance enacting the reszone of R3 multif family dwelling and PD plan development to plan
development and approve the associated development order and master development plan. >> Second motion second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor? I >> oppose like sign. Carries unanimous. Thank you all very much. >> So, Miss Jordan, you now have the
opportunity to talk to them and make sure that everything works for you. >> And I appreciate uh you all allowing us to take the time and spend a little extra time for Miss Jordan and her folks, which we typically don't do, but we have some time this afternoon. So, thank you.
Next item up is uh item 22, cigar lounge special exception. This will be presented by Miss Hillary Peyton. >> Cigar. >> Good afternoon, commissioners. Hillary Peyton, planning and development. This item is a request for a special exception for the cigar lounge to amend
an existing special exception for an alcoholic beverage establishment to allow for expansion in the LMA Vista plan development on 2.29 29 acres located on the northwest corner of West State Road 426 and via Loma Drive. The applicant currently operates an
existing cigar lounge in a shopping plaza via special exception approved on October 25th, 2010 for onremise consumption of beer and wine as an accessory use to the tobacco products offered for sale. The applicant is requesting to amend the special
exception to reflect the expansion of the operation that occurred into the adjacent unit to continue serving beer and wine. Under the previous ownership, the cigar lounge increased from 1,350 ft to 2500 square ft in size and seats
25 patrons with no outdoor seating. The hours of operation are currently Monday through Wednesday from 12:30 p.m. to 900 p.m., Thursday through Saturday from 12:30 p.m. to 11:00 p.m. and Sunday from 1:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m.
The Semino County Land Development Code states that any establishment selling alcoholic beverages for on-site consumption shall maintain separations from all churches and schools. The cigar lounge meets all separation requirements and will continue to meet these requirements with the proposed expansion.
The land development code states that certain criteria must be met for the board of county commissioners to approve a special exception request. Staff finds that the request meets the four criteria. On July 15th, 2025, the applicant held a community meeting in compliance with the land development code. Details of the
community meeting have been provided in the agenda package. The Planning and Zoning Commission met on August 6, 2025 and voted unanimously to recommend that the board of county commissioners approve the amended special exception. The minutes are provided in the agenda package.
Staff requests that the board of county commissioners approve the amendment of an existing special exception to allow with the conditions as stated in the development order, an alcoholic beverage establishment to expand in the PD plant development district on 2.29 acres located on the northwest corner of West
State Road 426 and Valoma Drive. This concludes my presentation. We'll open questions. >> Thank you, Miss Peyton. Any questions for staff at this point? Seeing none, thank you, Miss Peyton. And is the applicant here and wish to address the board? If so, please come down.
>> You have nothing to say. That's good. Okay. Um, >> he's shaking his way down. >> He's shaking his head. Introduce himself and say that >> he might want to do a little spiel about his business. >> He might want to invite us to the new grand opening. >> Yeah.
Just be careful. >> Name and address, please. >> Hello. Uh Ryan Labar, 1909, Criterion Court, Windmir, Florida. Um so we purchased this establish establishment um two years ago. And when we went to
apply for R to renew or transfer the beer and wine license, I guess the previous owner knocked out the wall in between the units, so he expanded the unit and we are declined and we've been going through this, I guess, ever since.
>> All right. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. All right. Anyone here for the public to speak on this item? >> No, sir. >> Seeing none, we'll close public input and move to board action. Commissioner Gloria, this is your district. Based on the staff's finding and testimony and evidence received today at this hearing,
the the request does meet and identify the portions of the land code and move to approve the amendment of the special exception to allow for conditions stated by the development order and alcoholic beverage establishment to be expanded in the PD district as presented here today.
>> Second. >> Motion second. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor? I oppose. like sign carries unanimously. Thank you all very much. Next item up is number 23. This is a legislative public
hearing. This is the nonavalorm assessment role. This will be presented by Tama Morton. Good afternoon, Miss Tamika. >> Good afternoon. How is everyone doing? >> Good. >> Tamika Morton, MSV program manager.
Um, this public hearing is to provide an opportunity for the public's input prior to the board adopting and certifying the consolidated nonadalorm assessment role for the tax year of 2025. The assessment role is a listing by parcel identification number of the assessments
levied to fund public services that offer a special benefit to the properties on a localized basis. The public services funded in sorry in semino county via nonadville assessment includes street lighting, residential
solid waste management, lake management services as well as certain capital funded projects. Typically these services are provided in response to property owner requests. the 2025 non-availe assessment role includes the annual variable rate assessments and the
capital assessment installment buildings associated with all active MSPUs. 384 MSPUs were previously established by ordinances and adopted at various um public hearings. The consolidated assessment rule has more than 130,000
assessments that will generate over 26 million in revenue. Lake management and street lighting are the only two types of MSPUs that have had um assessment adjustments. The assessment adjustments were based off of the needs of the lake as well as utility costs. The 2025
assessment role for MSBUs via rate um with variable rates were authorized by the board via resolution two 2252025-R-64 on July 22nd 2025 as required by Florida statute. Both published and mailed notices for this
hearing were issued. The assessment role presented today reflects the data mailed to property owners by the um the nonadvalorm assessment notice on August 4th, 2025. The final role to be submitted to the tax collector by
September 15th for inclusion in the 2025 property role property tax rule would include minor updates to accommodate for property record changes and residential solid waste option changes. Following public input, it is requested that the board approves the resolution adopting
the 2025 non-outfor assessment role and certify that Simino County um tax collector. This concludes my presentation. >> Thank you very much, Miss Morton. Any questions or inquiries for Miss Morton? >> Seeing none, we will go to public input.
Is there any public speakers on this item? >> No, sir. >> We will close public input and go to board action. Commissioners, >> Mr. Chairman, a motion to approve the resolution adopting the 2025 non-advalorum assessment rule and certify to the seminal county tax collector.
>> Second motion second. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor? I >> carries unanimously. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Next item up is item number 24. This will be presented by Deputy County
Manager, Miss Trisha Johnson. Hello. Good afternoon, chairman, commissioners. Trisha Johnson, deputy county manager. This afternoon, we're here to discuss chapter 53 of the Semino County Code of Ordinances.
All right. Thank you. Okay. As you know, chapter 53 establishes the county's code enforcement program, including the code enforcement board, the special magistrate enforcement procedures, and the code citation program. The purpose of today's item is to consider an ordinance amending chapter 53. As you
know, these items were discussed with you in depth at the August 26 work session. The recommended amendments include delegating certain authority to the county manager, standardizing the rules and procedures for both the co code board and the special magistrate, returning the lean reduction process to
the special magistrate, revising the maximum allowable fines as authorized by Florida statute, removing the recommended fines table, and revising the citation process. As you know, our work began in April 2024. Today, September 9th, we be bring
forward the first set of code changes for your consideration. You're already familiar with the progression of our key action items. However, I do want to point out the underlined bullet on the slide. Specifically, the code enforcement team
will return at the September 23rd commission meeting to present recommended updates to chapters 95, 120, 168, and the administrative code. In addition, the new code enforcement division will officially launch on October 1st.
The requested action before you today is the adoption of the ordinance amending chapter 53 code enforcement of the seminal county code of ordinances. Happy to take your questions along with Mike Rhodess who is sitting behind me. >> Great. Any inquiries of staff on this
item? Commissioner Lockhart. >> I don't know if if I I just need some clarification. on page um 18 of the draft ordinance and it's also on 19 18 and 19. Um the maximum civil penalty
pursuant to this part shall not exceed $500 per violation. And and I'm wondering if if I'm if this part is a particular area that we all know we've had code violations much greater than $500. So, can I just
better understand what this is referring to because it's also um on line 391, violations and penalties shall be subject to the maximum civil penity which shall not exceed $500 per violation. >> Do you want to say
>> no? Go ahead. >> Um Commissioner, for the record, my name is Mike Rhodess. I believe that the this section refers specifically to the um the code citation process and by statute the code citations have a maximum fine amount of $500.
>> We go to the county attorney for verification. County attorney's office. >> Well, let I'll let Jennifer Nicks answer that. >> Jennifer's been hard at work on this. >> Yes, she has. >> Good afternoon, commissioners. Jennifer Nicks, assistant county attorney. Um yes, this is just for the civil
citations. So that's a different ballgame than the typical violations that go to the code or >> this is my dog was out running around >> civil citation. Um, we do have a schedule of things that it can be for.
Um, >> yeah, I'm just like that. Is that an example like what kinds for the benefit of everybody including me? Civil citations could include >> um parking. Sorry, Mike. >> I was going to say these citations remember we talked about are issued to people rather than to property. So, it
could be for an illegal vendor set up on the side of the road or it could be uh >> other violations. >> Loose chickens. >> My chickens. Yes. Great. Got it. >> And again, that's this is consistent with state statute as well. So, we're
capped at 500 bucks. >> All right. Appreciate that. >> Any further inquiries? >> Seeing none. All right. Stay tuned. Do we have any public comments on these matters? >> No, sir. >> Fantastic. We'll close public input and go to board action.
>> Mr. Chairman, >> yes. We've worked a long time on this, but more than that, the staff has worked a long time on this and I want to give them compliments, >> kudos. >> Let's just It looks so great. Let's hope it works. And I will move approval.
>> Second. >> Motion second. Further discussion. Yes. Thank you all very much for all the hard work that you all put in. I know a lot of time. This is something that we've been struggling with since I arrived
here in 2018, but we've really put the focus on this after the pandemic. So, good work. Um, all those in favor? >> I oppose like sign. Seeing none, carries unanimous. Mr. Gray, you have something. >> Yeah, I just want to say one thing. I
know that uh at the last uh board meeting we praised a couple people, but there is one person that we that I personally left out and I want to thank Jennifer Nixon, our county attorney's office, because we have she's pulled her hair out with us on this as Miss Johnson
knows, but uh Jennifer, we thank you for all your help uh regarding this. I know it wasn't easy. >> Thank you very much. >> Good work, Dick. >> Good work. Alrighty, we will now go to the county attorney's report, Miss Kate Lour. Thank you, chairman. This is a
follow-up discussion on an item that I have individually updated you on over the last week or so. Um, having to do with the Rivercross litigation. Um, as you know, we have an attorney fee judgment from the federal court in the
county's favor in the amount of $432,000 and some change that has yet to be satisfied by the plaintiff in that case. Um and we met a couple of months ago to discuss options. We have since been in
negotiations with the county's in uh well the company that currently maintains the county's claim in this case. We have an open insurance claim and they uh the insurance company has has informed the county that they are going to pay that claim out and that
payment's going to be $417,000 which is um and some change which is the correct amount based on certain cost judgments that we've already been paid out. Um what it doesn't cover is the county's interest on its judgment. It's
postjudgment interest which is by federal statute able to be recovered and it acrus daily until the judgment is paid. So at this point um any further action by the county to be made completely whole including the interest. It'll be on the county's dime. There
won't be an insurance there won't be insurance coverage for that. Um if we used outside counsel we would pay outside council attorneys fees. Um, and I just uh wanted to get the temperature of the board to see if there was an interest an interest to go after the
interest which I did not say on purpose. >> In the interest of saving time, what is the interest amount? >> Um, approximately, and this is a rough number, I'm looking at about 45 or $50,000. >> Okay. And any
idea cost to go after the 45K that's acrewing daily? >> Just round number. >> I think it would be more than 45 or $50,000 when it's all said and done based on what we know of the parties that are involved. >> Okay, fair enough. All right,
commission. Start with Commissioner Lockheart. um for for affairs fair purposes I would love to um pursue every bit that is owed to the citizens of Semino County but in the
is the juice worth the squeeze will we wind up paying more money uh to go after that to make a point I'm not sure that it makes sense for the taxpayers to spend that money even though we all understand how we got here. Yeah,
>> Commissioner Constantine, you're the same. >> Um, you know, it's just sad that somebody seems to, you know, get away with things all the time, not have any of the consequences. >> Commissioner Delari, >> Mr. Chairman, I think Commissioner
Lockard summed it up. You have to weigh out is the effort worth the gain, and there's too much effort here not to get enough gain out of it. We all most of our money is being reimbursed by the insurance and so we need to move on.
>> Commissioner Constantine, you have something else. >> Well, I just without I mean we all are kind of like okay but without being um you know negative I mean let's congratulate >> our staff and every No, not you. I mean,
I'm just saying all of us, but let's congratulate the fact that this is unique that we won a judgment from a federal court stating that we would get attorneys fees back that this doesn't
happen very often. if and I have never heard of it happening and that the the you know ludicrous um you know lawsuit that was placed before us by that applicant has been stated by the judge
that you know we deserve the money back because it should have never been done in the first place. So congratulations to the citizens of Semino County. You got your money back. We got our money some of it at least our money back. Good point. >> I I concur. It's uh at the end of the
day, it's we we've got we've recovered the the the dollars that taxpayers are out and I do not believe it makes sense to spend 45k to collect 45K just just to
prove a point. Um >> we already did >> and possibly drag it on for another Yeah. >> who knows how long. >> We already proved the point, >> right? the insurance company will have their their ability to do what they need to do. Um, but at least our taxpayers are are pretty much made whole at this
point. So hopefully that gives you direction. It sounds like we're all singing from the same sheet of music here. >> That is correct. I have my direction. Thank you. Okay, >> that was the only item I needed to discuss. Chairman, >> thank you very much. County manager, do you have anything further? >> Just two quick good news items. Uh,
we've received a couple of our scout vehicles, microransit. So, uh, we have put together a test group and that day you will see them on the road um later this week for a couple days for free rides around the the the county with our test group just to work out all the the
bugs and and kink. So, we're excited about that. You know that our new microransit scout program will launch on October the 15th. Uh, so that is underway. So, you may hear some comments from the public or see them around uh the county. >> Mr. Chair, when when would the uh app be available?
>> Excuse me. the app. >> It's available now. You can download the app now on your phone. Um, >> can you send us a link to it? >> Yes, actually, I'll make sure you get it. >> Yep. >> So, on that note, I think it'd be great if we took a field trip as a commission. >> We could do that.
>> We could go from here over to Five Points or >> maybe each of us start our own district and call and see how long it takes us to get to five. >> Yeah. Wait till it launches. This is just our our our testing group. If you want to be a part of the testing group, I can put you in there if you would like.
Uh, do it. >> Take individual rides. Don't ride together. Just take individual rides, please. >> Note what the attorney said. >> That's what the attorney. >> Uh, and then just another item uh really kudos to our communications team. We have a new seminal uh stream now live
app that you'll could be able to download. So you residents can now watch the SGTV on demand giving 24/7 access to our uh board meetings, community updates, and any emergency information. So I'll be sending that out to you all as well. So that is uh great. That is
actually uh as well. >> And that's all I have. >> Very good. Thank you very much. Um we will go to district one. Commissioner Delari. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. District report. >> Yes, sir. I know we all follow and very dear to us
are the veterans and uh we owe great ded gratitude to the veterans that have s have uh served in many different confrontations around the world and uh especially World War II. And on
September 1st, unfortunately, there was an individual who was the last surviving pilot on the B7 bomber group for the 100 bomber group. His name is John Lucky Lucky. He died at 101 103 years old.
>> So, I wanted to make sure that you were aware of that. the last surviving pilot on the B17 group 100 bomber group that uh they had heavy losses cuz the bomber group targeted not only Germany but
France and Poland and uh many people of that bomber group wasn't allowed for many years and he was the last survivor of 103 years old. So just want to let you know that that took place on September the 1st. like to give uh also thanks to our big
shout out to leisure services department for working hard over Labor Day weekend that they uh spent a lot of hard work and coordinating not just coordinating but also labor in uh painting our crosswalks on our trails. I want to thank uh our group and uh Darren Gray if
you can uh have them be aware that we so appreciate their hard efforts. We greatly appreciate that. I've also been notified that uh we've funded again uh Bowling Drive drainage
project. Uh having gotten some emails from Patrick Charles has contacted our office for updates and we forward those requests to John Slott as well as county manager's office and uh I know that they're communicating back and forth
now. So uh Darren Gray, thank you very much for your group for doing that. And then the last two last things, uh, one is I've been contacted by some residents in the southeast part of Semino County, which parallels McCullik
Road. These are Semol County residents and half of McCullik Road is served by Orange County, the other half is served by Seml County. And there's an issue because of some development that took place in Orange County. Because of that development, the road
has to be uh widened. Turn lanes have to be put in and we have a maintenance agreement. We do not have a capital improvement agreement. And a lot of that is now affecting Seminal County. And there have been some conversations between our staff and
Orange County staff about who is to do what. I think it should be shared even though it really should have been done by the development in Orange County >> when they did the improvements. But since that's over and done with, and now it's kind of hard to go back to Orange
County Developer to do this, since we only have a maintenance agreement, not a capital improvement plan with Orange County, that I think that we should ask our staff to talk to the Orange County staff to figure out how that developer
should be paying for their improvements because we're only supposed to be maintaining. Maintenance is not capital improvement. And I really think that this is looking at our staff. We've already fronted the money for the design and engineering. We've already done that. We've done all
the work. Orange County may want to participate, but we should not be the only one participating in this project because we're only supposed to be doing maintenance, not capital improvement. So, Mr. Gray, can you ask your staff to report back to us
what the next steps could be and should be? Sure. >> Because it was their uh development on the Orange County side that caused all this to take place. >> Sure. I'll I'll follow up on that >> and I don't want to give our staff
instructions. That's why I'm bringing it here today. >> Okay. I appreciate that. Thank you. >> Then the last thing I have is I know in the past we were able to purchase uh pavers around the uh different memorials over around Five Points. I've had a
couple people ask about me how to participate in that program. If you can get that to my office, I will make sure that those individuals are informed. Thank you. And then my report. >> Thank you very much, sir. District 3.
Commissioner Constantine. Thank you very much. Um, as you all know, August 28th, I spoke to the League of Women Voters concerning um the budget along with our county clerk. Um, and uh, Mr. Jud was
also there. I want to thank him for being there as well as my aid. And I think it was u, the meeting all together was wellreceived and and u, you know, they were very appreciative of the information that was uh, given to them.
I want to thank Commissioner Delorei who took my place at the counto meeting on September 3rd. Um at uh I think he didn't mind going to decision tactical though. That's always a lot of fun to go down there in Sanford. >> Actually, the issue that I had was uh I
have no problem with people bearing arms that just don't want them get desensitized and playing Rambo with a gun that is just used for lasers. And so my issue was that >> yeah understood. Um also on September
4th uh I participated in a central Florida cares with Senator Ralson of Semino County. He has been uh he's got he has been had a listening tour around the state of Florida. He had two. And this is a senator that has been very
supportive of u the opioid um you know concerns and trying to move forward with that. He is leaving the legislature but uh he both uh he had a recovery connections he had meetings both at the recovery connections in Longwood and the
hope and healing center in Sanford. on the fifth statewide council uh on opioid abatement met in Orlando um and uh I participated via um virtually and on the 6th we had in in
honor of those uh first responders that gave so much especially those that gave their lives at the 911. Uh we had the tunnel to towers 5K run in um in Cran's Roost
again. Hundreds if not thousands were participated and it was wonderful to see so many first responders there full equipment. Um tomorrow uh PBA is going to have our good friend Lee Corso there.
Um I don't have to tell you how much uh you know not just good publicity but what you know just how much you know generated at game day on that Saturday and it was amazing that every team he
ever coached >> and every game that day he you know won. >> It was amazing. Um, tomorrow, Commissioner Delorei and I will be at the uh Metro Plan and uh on September 11th, the Central Florida Hotel and
Lodging will have their annual Remembrance Breakfast, Patriots Day, which I plan on attending. And also on the 20th at 6 o'clock at Cranes Roost, the city of Altoont Springs will be holding a
community celebration about the World Series uh winners of the under 12 year olds. Uh that should be a lot of fun. I did want to couple of sad notes. Um, number one, a judge, a long-term judge,
Allan Dicki, >> passed away this past week. Couple of weeks. Yes. And I think they're going to have a um ceremony on the 20th. Don't, you know, I'm I'm not sure. >> Can you let officers know if you find out? >> Yeah, has all the information,
>> please. and also someone that I served with back in the 90s and 2000s, a true trailblazer, um, especially in Orlando and Orange County and the African-American community, uh, Mabel Butler, who is a,
like I said, I can I was very honored to consider her a friend and she passed away at 98 years old. So, it was sad to see that, but also a life well-lived.
And that is all I have. Commissioner, >> thank you very much, Commissioner. Commissioner Lockhart, District 4. >> Um, the last links uh board meeting was to review uh budget items. And during that discussion, I had some uh specific
questions that I asked for followup. Um reviewed the responses that I received. um with our staff today at the lunch break and um have some additional follow-up questions. The my my question so that you you are aware
is related to the timing and cadence of um budgeting for vehicles versus when they are actually ordered. Um there seems to be some rollover that makes it difficult to determine from which budget year the carry forward if
it's a carry forward occurs into which vehicles are being purchased. And so this this is not just a problem from retrospectively but prospectively if there are funds from prior years that are going to purchase future vehicles
and our uh commitment is changing during this time. We want to make sure that we are paying for the vehicles that are in use for the right time frame. Does that make sense? >> Yes, it does. >> Okay. So, we're trying to uh ferret that
out and there will be some follow-up questions and as soon as I have what I think we need to be able to determine that, I will be sure and and share it with all of you or have staff get with you on that. Um, the county is another sponsor again of the Emerald Awards.
This is the second annual Emerald Awards salute to black excellence in Semino County. It's going to be held November 1st at 7:00 at the rink at Northland Church. Um this year's awards uh the number of categories of awards that are
being given has expanded incredibly. The number of people that are um involved. Commissioner Zenower, thank you so much. I know you are involved in helping to um uh select some nominees and and do some awards. And so it's just it's a wonderful opportunity for for our Seol
County um community to come together and celebrate what is happening here as opposed to just in the central Florida region and getting lumped into to some other neighbors to the south. And I'm I am assuming Commissioner Zenbower, you're going to talk about the budget public hearing tomorrow night. >> I am. >> Okay, great. Um then let me tell you
today September 9th uh is the day that Congress renamed the our country to the United States. We were the United Colonies and they made an official decision to uh on September 9th, 1776 to formally declare the our country as the
United States. Today is also National Wigs Fly Day. >> Do with that what you will. >> That's fantastic. I love that. that that's got we could have lined that up with a lot of things. >> We could have and I and I looked at it
earlier and I was going to interject and I was like, "No, that might not be well received." [Music] >> All righty. Well, of course, 24 years ago on September 11th, 2001, four airplanes crashed. Two into the World Trade Center in New York and one
in the Pentagon in Virginia and the fourth into a field in Pennsylvania. The attacks killed nearly 3,000 people, injured over 6,000. So again, as I started the meeting, let's keep those those families in our our memories and our hearts uh as we move forward and not
forget September 11th. Uh this past weekend, I uh attended 150th anniversary for the First Baptist Church of Chiliota. It is uh surprisingly one of the oldest churches, not the oldest in Semino County, but one of the oldest uh
started in a home of one of the agricultural folks and founding families of that part of Semino County. Very interesting that they put together a lot of history and a lot of pictures that were preserved. Pretty good stuff. Uh of course, I attended the spring hammock
ribbon cutting and the new mudwalk improvements and the boardwalks. I got to tell you, if you haven't had a chance to get out there, what what a change. Um I remember my children and my children are well, one of them is close to 40
now, but um going in fifth grade to the mudwalk back then. Um and it hasn't the mudwalk itself hasn't changed, but the amenities have. uh being able to get in and out. It's it's truly a gem not only for Semino County but quite frankly the
state of Florida and the region as a whole. Um with ancient trees I mean if you go out there and you see the size of some of these trees out there and you just ponder for a moment >> how long those trees have been there and what those trees if those trees could
talk what they could tell us you know what's what's happened you know in and around going all the way back to the native folks. uh attended leadership seinal government day uh was well attended and and kazoo tight. Um good good program for our leadership
seinal folks. Um many of the constitutional officers were there and spoke and I know that some of you all stopped by. Um I know commissioner her was there for for time as well and I appreciate our staff accommodating them in the chambers here and and putting on
a good program. uh SE semol county chamber legislative lunchon. Of course, we all attended that yesterday. It was good to see everybody there. Want to remind the public tomorrow night uh budget hearing is uh at 5:30 p.m. here in the chambers. If you desire to speak
on the budget or come to find out more information, tomorrow evening at 5:30 would be the appropriate time. Also, city of Ovito is having a Patriot Day celebration. Ovito on the park um on September 11th. If you want to swing by
there anytime during the day, Ovito Memorial Post 243 is helping put that together. We appreciate that. Also, there is a public meeting on the East County Basin Studies. That's September 11th from 6:00 to 8:00 PM at the Foundry Church at 1491
East State Road 434, Winter Springs. And that's all I have for my district report. Um, I will now move to our public comment on non-aggenda items. Miss Dominique, do we have any speaker
forms for non-aggenda items? >> Yes, sir. We have two, John Stewart and Bill Hyen. >> Okay. Hey, we'll start with Mr. Stewart and then Mr. Hyde. You'll be given three minutes to speak on non-aggenda items. When you come up, give us your full name and address for the record. Give us just
a a quick overview what you want to speak about and then we'll have your three minutes. Move on. Mr. Stewart. >> Sure. Uh John Stewart, 693 White Clip Place, Winter Springs, Florida. And uh I want to talk about the uh crosswalks and uh also these uh I guess
you could say factories uh that are going to be built on the St. John's. Maybe I'm wrong here, but that's uh you know I was here on an unrelated matter um on the 26th. And uh just some of the things that stuck stuck out were you
know we spent I don't know how much money I don't think anybody knows. It's been speculated that it was millions. I don't know. That was the press on painting these uh crosswalks green. Okay. And they violated the the manual on uniform traffic control devices which
has called for white lines since 1935. Han has advised against painted crosswalks since 2011 and now is cod codified into law. Why? Uniformity. Painted services are slippery. uh loss
of traction for turning vehicles. So, I mean, if I can get this information, I don't know why the experts couldn't have it. So, um they've been repainted. Sounds like there was some volunteers that did that. Um and that and that's good, but
certainly there was a waste of taxpayer money. Uh the next thing I heard and you know I'm a Navy veteran and a boater and uh I guess there's 2.7 I maybe I'm wrong here so correct me but 2.7 million uh
dollars to build uh two uh commercial uh buildings to be used for light manufacturing um on St. John's River. uh 87,000 a year um for you know utilities and and and so
forth. So that's about an eight that's over a eight-year payback period. I don't know if it's taxpayer if they they have their own budget, but uh you know we just got rid of those uh smoke stacks on Lake Monroe. >> Excuse me, sir. Just let him finish.
>> Okay. I'm sorry. >> Okay. um and that you know that big oil barge that used to traverse that narrow part of the uh the river and um I just hope we're not building factories along the St. John's River, especially it's right
next to uh you know uh um I'm sorry I'm lost my train of thought, but you know there's there's boats for pleasure boats uh and marina right next door. They already have two restaurants. I guess you're going to
build another restaurant, but uh I just would hate to see any more manufacturing uh plants on the St. John's. I mean, this isn't Jacksonville, right? So that's really all I have. >> Okay. Thank you for sir. >> Can I ask you can ask a question? >> Yeah. Let me just try to clean clarify a
couple things. >> So no. >> So I don't know where you come up with factories being built on the St. John's. This county is not meeting this countyy's not building any factories. I don't know in in what in the last meeting anybody talked about building a factory on the St. John.
>> We also don't have marinas with restaurants. >> Yeah. So I I don't know where all that comes from. Um the only thing remotely is is uh maybe up around Jacksonville or Palatka area or something like that, but I'm not familiar with their
jurisdiction. But there's there's no plans at all to build anything on the St. John's River in this county. >> The port authority is not going to build the >> port authority is the port authority. That's not manufacturing. And that's, you know, you can go up there and you can have a restaurant visit to the
restaurant that exists or you can buy a boat at the boat dealer or you can do business with some of the tenants that are there. Okay. >> But there is no light manufacturing, no none of that. So, I'm not sure where that comes from as far as the sidewalk
or the crosswalks. Um, so in 2013, green was an accepted practice. In 2020, it was reserted reertified as a accepted practice for the crosswalks. And the crosswalks in this county were all permitted by the Florida Department of Transportation,
>> as being sustainable. We've asked our county manager to bring back to us the cost that the county has borne. There was no volunteers that did that. Okay. >> Uh they were county employees. We were mandated by the 2024 newest manual revising and detailing
exactly what those crosswalks were to be. and we adhered to that and we adhereed to the direction of the Florida Department of Transportation which quite frankly participated in this latest round of bringing those up to speed. So >> okay
>> uh I think hopefully that covers what it seems to be your concerns. >> Okay. So no factories or manufacturing light manufacturing on the marina that were by the bridge uh at the at the uh >> not in Simol County's perview. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. Thank you. I'm assuming that's what you were trying to figure out. I >> was going to do a different approach, but you get the same result. Okay. Uh Mr. Hyde, welcome. >> Before I start, um my buddy was one of the captains of one of those tug and barge operations that came up here and I
ran tug and barge down in Miami. Um my name is Bill Hyde and I'm at 2379 Audi Street, Oto. Um, I just came here to let you guys know that Aino Post 243 is mourning the loss
of Peter Gregory. I know Bob knows Peter, >> I'm sorry, >> pretty well. Um, Peter Gregory uh was an incredible asset to not just the veterans community, but Simone County. Um, Peter was uh past commander of post
243. Uh he was passed something else every every time. He was also a district commander. Uh Peter served on our congressional uh veterans advisory committee. Um just just an incredible
guy. I personally credit him with a good part of the resurgence about 101 15 years ago of post 243. we were a lonely place out in nowhere and uh and Peter was a commander that that took charge of
that. So, um just want to pass um our appreciation on to the to the commission for all the support, but let you know that we have lost a a re a real Navy hero and Peter Gregory. >> Bill, is there is there a time and date
for service? >> Uh I I didn't get it yet. I just got the email I got the email late. Can you let our officers know about >> he was in hospice? Um, and just I I I like I said, I just got the email myself. I haven't I haven't been to the post this week, but >> let us know, Bill, about
>> Thanks a lot. >> Thank you very much. >> Okay. Is there anyone else for public comment? Non-aggenda items? >> No, sir. >> Anything else for the good of the order from the commission, from management? No, sir. Seeing none,
we shall close the meeting. Thank you all for being here.
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