Good. Okay. So, for the sake of the recording, this is the board of health meeting of November. Yeah, it's 2025. The entire board is here and our names are clearly
indicated here. Um, so on the agenda, I would assume that the first thing was the minutes. Are we good on minutes from the last meeting?
Did everybody feel that they were comprehensive enough? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. Um I guess we better have a motion and a vote.
>> I'll move to approve the minutes. >> Second. >> Second. Arlene seconds. All in favor? Arlene. Yes. >> Whim. >> Yes, >> Norin.
>> Yes. >> Thank you. And Cat, yes. >> Okay. Um, is there any away from any potential regulations that
we want to talk about? Is there anything that we should hear about? Any updates that you want to give us, Norin or Garrett or anybody? Okay. >> I think Arlene went to the collaborative
meeting last month. Did you, Arlene? >> No, I did not. >> Okay. >> Oh, >> you were last month. Got it. >> Last month.
I I got I've got an agenda. There's one coming up soon. >> No, I don't think I did. >> Okay. All right. Okay. Anything anything else? >> Um, I just have a quick thing. Um, I'll
just remind everybody that I'm the alternate member on the um, Homeland Security Council for Western Mass. And, um, I wonder if anybody else is interested in serving on that
on that board. I'm the public health alternative member. Have been for about 10 years. >> I'm sorry. For which board? >> Homeland Security. Western Mass Homeland Security Council.
>> Oh, tell us a little more about it. Um basically what we do is we get over a million dollars in grant money a year that's divided between um public health education various projects and equipment
purchasing um the board has membership of across four counties Hampshire Hampton H um Franklin and Birkshere uh it's a collaborative group of members
of firefighting, police associations, sheriff's office, UMass, public health, um just about any sort of um rescue and help related organization you
can think of in Western Massachusetts. And uh we have committees that help determine, you know, how the money should be allocated in the uh throughout the region. Um
yeah, and we sponsor lots of really excellent training that wouldn't otherwise be available to our rural areas like uh specialized rescue um along the Connecticut River using, you know, equipment that wouldn't be
available in other kinds of situations, for example. Can you talk a little bit about what kind of um uh knowledge one ought to have before um
sitting on this sitting in this position or also about the frequency with which it meets? >> It it meets once a month. Uh you're usually on a subcommittee that meets uh once a month too. I was on the education committee and it meets once a month for
an hour before the the whole uh the larger group meets. Um I had absolutely no expertise or background whatsoever. Um the meetings are public. I'm I'm happy to forward uh how you get on a
Zoom meeting so you can sit and see the kinds of things that we do. Um, I think one of the biggest benefits of it is kind of sharing what's going on and all, you know, sharing knowledge and awareness of what's going on in all
kinds of areas. I mean, another one I didn't mention was even like the highways department is part of our um of our coalition that meets together. Um, so you'll learn what kind of trouble there might be if you know a highway
isn't open. you know, during some sort of emergency situation or that kind of thing. Um, ask me again. Did I answer your question, Arlene? >> Yeah. And I I was also going to ask whether they were in-person meetings or
>> No, they're Zoom meet. They used to be in person and that was great. You got to meet a lot of people that you wouldn't necessarily know before. It makes a good contact, but uh they've been Zoom for three or four years now. Mhm. >> And and when do they meet?
>> They meet um I think it's a second or third Tuesday of every month. Um different subcommittees meet at different times, but my subcommittee meets at 9:30 in the or 9 in the morning and then the full um
council meets at 10. And the meetings rarely go longer than an hour. They're very efficiently run. Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Now, just because I'm suggesting that, you know, I haven't been for a while, so I think I
need to give up my position. It doesn't have to be someone from Shootsbury. It can be someone from any uh any one of the four counties, but they have in the past had trouble getting someone from public health. >> So, I just throw it out there. you can
think about it. If you want to call me and get more information, if you'd like me to >> forward, you know, our agendas and uh minutes from our meeting, I'm happy to do that. >> Or if there's a way to just attend as a
member of the general public and get a a feel for the >> meeting. Yeah. Yeah, I can do that, too. I can forward my, you know, meeting invitations to >> Okay. >> anyone interested. That sounds good.
Thank you. I can tell you that um I don't really know what's going on with the district. I sent an email recently um to everybody over there in Irving
asking them to confirm what I suppose is that David Gillis has been offered the position that he's accepted the position and when's he going to start. I don't know that any of that is true. I mean, they said they were going to offer him the position and it was going to start
sometime in November, but I have not had any conf confirmation of this. And when I sent this email, um the only person who responded was um
Betsy Secard, who's the sort of administrative assistant or or something over there. and uh she said she would defer to Brian Smith and Jeff uh I forget Jeff's last name but he's from the board of health. Brian Smith is the
town administrator to answer this and that's the last I've heard only like today or yesterday but it's kind of weird. So I don't know if something has has uh derailed this. It was looking
like we had a a a health agent, even though it was a health agent. She didn't know anything about being a health agent. >> So, I'll let you know when I find anything else. So,
let's talk about what we may or may not have learned about data centers and battery storage centers and and so on. um talking with Arlene before the meeting started
um uh she suggested that um we're giving a lot of attention to data centers and yet um what we originally started talking about and what Mike Hugo came to talk to us about was regulating battery
energy storage systems and one reason It's important to to do that. I don't remember if Mike talked about this, but
batter Besses, we'll call them Besses, um, have been classified by the state as solar installations, even if they are not associated with
actual solar collection, because it's part of the state's um, um energy goals for the next decade or so.
Um as such they are sheltered from other kinds of local regulation. So for example the planning board cannot regulate them
in their what zoning bylaw. Um, the only local entity that has the authority to regulate them in any way is the board of
health. And we can regulate them under the mainly I think under the um the provisions that give us control over nuisances and noise of trade trades and um
with a kind of focus on groundwater protection. So all of this look at data centers has been really interesting and we possibly want to do that. I don't know if anybody had a chance to look at all at the um
proposed planning board amendments to the zoning bylaw regulating or or well regulating basically data centers because at this point we still can locally regulate data
centers. It doesn't take the board of health to do it because the state has not classified them as part of solar installations. Um, but maybe we need to like back up a little bit and think more about the battery systems and less about the data
centers for for right now. It may be that we're going to want a regulation for data centers. And it may be that what the planning board will does will be adequate. So, I'm not positive where to start here.
Did I misread um the the text thread from um from the planning board and Diara, how do you pronounce his name? >> Deiara. Diara that it is um it's not in
our purview that to promulgate regulations that they want to be the ones to do that. Um, I am not sure what actual communication
you're talking about, but um, they are moving forward with an amendment to the zoning bylaw having to do with data centers to be voted on at town meeting 2026.
They are not averse to our doing whatever we want really. Um um but they also have authority in the particular case of data centers.
All right. They don't have that much authority in the case of vessels >> and they are asking us am I right to um join a conversation with them at their next meeting which is Monday >> 10th
>> 10th yeah and this would be conversation about the draft of a data center bylaw as I understand it Right. Data center provisions in the existing zoning bylaw. >> Right.
>> So the the thing that we got from Michael just in the last day or two um it gives the various it's a little hard to read because it gives the various changes the various amendments that would have to be made to the bylaw. So
it kind of skips around. Um but but it seems to seemed to me that there were some rather good ideas in it. >> Mhm. Yeah. I did read it and so much information coming at me. I'm not sure I
am keeping it all straight, but um one of the uh provisions stated I maybe in this document was Yes. Okay. Um as far as its cooling system
goes, they are saying uh a data center shall not couple bullet items follow withdraw groundwater or surface water for cooling purposes. In other words, they're looking for it to
use a closed loop system for cooling. They want them to not use refrigerants or heat transfer liquids containing PAS chemicals nor use other toxic or hazardous cooling
liquids in any quantities that would pose risks if they were released. >> So, >> um I'm all for that. I thought somewhere in there they were saying, but I I might be mixing up with another document
looking for a closed loop system for cooling. Um, >> right. They don't name it particularly, but but that's what we that's really what we want. You know, if they're going to be >> so that no ground water is being sucked
up and no used water is being discharged. >> Um, >> right. I don't I don't know if that means even the initial um well the only infusion of water in the cooling system assuming they use
water um uh if it if they are allowing it to be drawn one time from the groundwater or if they have to bring it in >> some else that's not clear to me >> well the the am I right that the text
that's in green in this draft is um stuff that is not yet. I don't understand why some things are in green. >> They are things that require special discussion on by the planning board. So, this is a draft that's being submitted
to the other members of the planning board for discussion and and amendment. >> Okay. >> Not it's not in any final version. >> Well, the the provisions that I just listed, you know,
A center shall not withdraw groundwater or surface water. That's not in green. That is in black >> in that draft. So that may mean that it's not up for discussion. I I don't
really understand. Um >> I think that I think the idea is Michael wrote this and he highlighted the things that he thought were going to be, you know, specific discussion issues. Um I would assume everything is up for
>> up for discussion but obviously data centers need cooling but battery starter systems need cooling too. So that part of it is >> pretty similar. I sent a I sent a a question to my Cougall and I didn't get
a response which is not the first time that's happened when I've asked my cougal questions. Um I I asked about that. Can we require closed loop um cooling?
>> You know, and I also asked about sighting um if we can if we can from the outset um eliminate certain areas from
consideration for any kind of any of these kinds of of centers. Um, I was thinking of the Lake Wyola zoning district and the town center zoning district because that's where we have the most population
density. I was also thinking of the the DCR land um uphill of 202 that is Quaban watershed. I don't think they would put one there but who you know who the hell knows. Um
um I guess that's all for places that we can eliminate that that I I I wonder if we can simply remove those areas from consideration and simply say that they can't be cited
there. >> However, I didn't get an answer back from you. Hold on. I want to go see if I can look at that email. Yeah, here it is. Um,
right. That was the the zoning thing. Can we enact specific requirements on the operation? Um, oh, um, I've asked about requiring closed
loop cooling and also about the the question of, um, batteries. What kind of batteries are allowed? I was talking with Michael Decara the other day. I was in town hall and he said there are in fact other kinds of batteries that are
not so highly flammable. And I think that he touches on that in the data center um bylaw document that I circulated to you. Um, one of them is a one of I can't remember
exactly iron what, but there's some kind of iron sulfate or something in one of these batteries. And I think the the fact that the iron is inert makes it less um less flammable. And so I was
wondering if we can if we can require a less flammable battery to be used and that would be in either case data or battery. And I guess as I understand it, the two types of centers are often found
together that a a best is typically located near a data center. I may be wrong about that, but I think they're often in tandem. I think that I think that how that works may be that
um a best is part of can be part of a data center because they need they need energy backup to keep running in case there's some kind of >> glitch. So they have these things as backup >> backup power.
H. So in that case if they whether they are freestanding whether they attach to solar installations or whether they are part of data centers it seems like we have a handle on all of them. >> Right.
>> And I see the section on the draft about the different types of batteries. It's on the third page >> um of Michael's document
um under electrical storage and backup and he's you're right it's something contain lithium iron fos and he's got the chemical abbreviations I'm not sure whether P4 is what P4 represents but anyway
It's got a lot of um chemical abbreviations in there, >> right? But if we can if we can require that >> or or some that or something still safer,
>> he's he's suggesting so um that one of his bullet items is prohibit or allow lithium ion batteries. This is something for discussion. Um, and if lithium ion
allow only lithium iron something. Um, anyway, so he's he's saying that there needs to be discussion about um what types of batteries might be allowed. >> Okay. And it seems to me that that we
could we could do the same we could kind of do the same thing. Um, but we don't know much about batteries, right? Except we know that lithium ion batteries tend to spontaneously combust, >> right?
So on a sort of related tangent here, um I have heard through an unnamed source that the planning board, certain members of the planning board are
pretty un um uneducated about the board of health and what its powers and what its um scope is. Um, so whoever goes and I will certainly go to that planning board meeting on the 10th and if others
want to go, if it's going to be more than two of us, we'll have to um we'll have to post it as a joint meeting. Um, part of our mission there is going to have to explain. I mean, apparently this person didn't understand why the board
of health was getting involved in um groundwater protection because he said, "What does that have to do with health?" So, >> oh my god. >> Right. It's only our core mission. So obviously obviously we we need to do
a little bit of missionary work there to kind of explain what our what our um you know scope of action is and what our powers are. So how do you think we should move forward
right now? Yeah, me neither. >> Um, so >> one one at least one of us should be at the planning board meeting. >> Absolutely. >> Um, >> I I intend to um to attend it. If
anybody else can, that would be very helpful, I think. Yeah, I have. It's at seven, right? >> I think I think so. Time, but I don't know what it is. >> Okay. And I have
>> a conf a conflicting obligation that night, but there I don't So, I don't know if I'll be able to come. >> Okay. >> My other obligations at 7:30. >> Yeah. the you know when the agenda gets
posted which will probably be what is this is the 5th it'll be fairly soon um end of the week I guess um then we'll know what time approximately at least we're going to be >> agenda
>> Garrett you're unmuted were you going to speak >> the way that I've been trying to think about this in terms of our role is around groundwater protection regulations. >> And so, for example, when you read
through what the planning board provided uh to us, um it really doesn't go into that detail. Also, I wonder if the way that we can support them in what they're trying to accomplish is
by pursuing groundwater protection regulation that you know. So, for example, in in what was provided to us, they don't talk about like a hydro geological study. They don't talk about sentinel wells.
Um, those are things that we could build into a board of health groundwater protection regulation as it relates to things like uh battery storage and and data centers
or, you know, dumps. You know, typically the groundwater protection regulations talk about things like uh dumps and and the like, but >> more modern regulations could talk about data centers.
So, I wonder if that's the way that we support the effort >> is focusing on uh adopting sort of what the state has put out as uh
you know template regulations for local communities to adopt. >> Yeah. But it's also it I think we go further than just groundwater protection with both data centers and basses. Um there's also a nuisance what what's
considered to be a nuisance factor that the BOHS would be involved with lighting and noise for instance. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And I I you know I think what Michael provided talked about an existing
uh light nuisance uh bylaw, >> you know, so some of that might already be addressed. Um >> yeah, he addresses both um both of those issues uh lighting and noise and on that
third page, I think, >> lighting, signage, noise, and visual impacts. Um all of which could contribute to a nuisance factor. Right. Yeah. I don't I don't know how
much how much of regulation that that we adopt could, you know, take on um aesthetic questions the way planning board can, but certainly the other ones >> could. Yeah. Yeah. There's kind of two
two ways of thinking about that. Garrett's got the idea of having something that's much more overarching and covers these and other kinds of nuisances also. But then that if we if it's focused on groundwater then we I think we kind of miss out some
of the other things >> that that we would need. >> I think another gap on uh what Michael sent was around air quality. I mean, it it briefly touches on it. >> Um, you know, it just says electrical
storage and battery systems shall comply with noise and air quality standards of the town of Shootsbury, but we at least I don't know what what that means per se. Air air quality standards of the town of Shootsbury,
>> right? What are >> what air quality standards do we have? I have no idea. And I wonder how how we could address that if we need to address that um in our
in a regulation that we would pass. >> I mean, it might be addressed through D already. Um we'd have to look into that, but Okay, >> remind me the Wendle document. Was that
for data centers or BES? >> That I believe was for Bess. And then we also got from Orange. Yes, Wendle is best,
>> right? And then from Orange, we got something that's more like ground a groundwater uh protection. Um, >> right. But it takes in much more than just data center and best applications as well. >> That's true. And it also the reason I
didn't I didn't actually give it too much um attention because um it seems to me that it was it had to do with you know the zone zone two of water of public water supplies and so on. We don't hardly have any of those. So it
seemed a little bit not >> I wasn't clear on that and yeah >> so that seemed kind of just not a good not a good match for us. >> Yeah. Well,
there are two meetings actually for us to attend um or for some of us to attend. I will certainly get to both of them. There is the planning board meeting on the 10th and there's also a conservation commission meeting on the um
it might be on the 13th. >> I think it was the 18th, but >> Oh, please know. I remember seeing um was that that was the reply from um >> Wilson, >> right? Um
13th. You were right. >> Oh, good. Good. Seems like everything everybody wants to do something on the 18th and the 18th is my birthday and I'd kind of like to not go to meetings on that day, but it's getting difficult. >> Yeah.
um that seems to be a really popular day for meetings. So, so I don't think that that's going to be very complicated with the concom they want to be consulted, but um basically I think it's going to be a matter of going and talking about
what their concerns are and I assume that their concerns are going to have to do with wetland wetland setbacks and that kind of thing. So all right so this is the 5th so we'd be meeting again on the 19th right
so by that time we will have had the planning board meeting and the compound meeting and let's say by that time I will I will
have a rough draft of a regulation um or at least an outline of a regulation listing the things that that seem like
they should go in it. >> Kat, if it would be helpful, I did a very ironic thing. I utilized a data center and had artificial intelligence generate a draft board of health regulation.
>> Awesome. Awesome. Can you send it around? >> Yeah, I I will send it to you. >> Okay. >> That is an iron. >> It's pretty funny. >> All right. on now that this conversation we sort of
opened this conversation at our last meeting. I I don't hear anything but like everything I'm hearing is all about AI and data centers. I feel like it's just everywhere
>> apparently. So apparently so. I um I watched the the video that um Garrett sent the link for and then there was you know the other videos came. So, I watched the one from Business Insider and it was it was pretty horrible. It was focusing on Did you watch that one
where where somebody um some little neighborhood is becoming completely surrounded by data centers? >> If there were two of them, I must have watched the other. Yeah, it wasn't the one that Garrett sent the link to, but there was there were associated ones and
I watched this one and and so in this there's this nice little neighborhood somewhere and um and all the undeveloped land around it has been bought up and and converted into data centers and you know more and more all the time.
>> Evidently a huge one is planned currently for Westfield. >> Really? >> Yeah. Evidently, there are three in Springfield, couple in or one I guess in Worcester. Most of them are in Boston,
>> but this gigantic one is planned for Westfield currently, >> but I it the developer withdrew their application. >> Oh, is that right? >> Yes. So, I I reviewed
um the Westfield newspaper articles about it, and I forget the name of the guy who championed the protest against it, but there was such a ground swell of citizen concern that they just withdrew their
application. >> Interesting. So, so I'm not sure if Westfield ever got to the point of drafting any regulation. That was not clear to me
>> um from looking at the papers, but um yeah, I don't I don't think one is going in there. >> Okay. Well, you know, there's this um dilemma, I guess, or maybe there's a
better word for it, but um of nobody want, you know, it's like a nimi thing. Nobody wants the units in their backyard, but people increasingly want data and want to be able to use AI
and whether they realize they're doing so or not. Um yeah, it's >> right. Yeah. Yeah, it is. It is a paradox. Um, another thing that I wanted to tell you
is that I noticed in the in the material that Norin got from Orange, >> they have this draft groundwater protection regulation, but they have it because
um their their planning boards um um attempted attempted um regulation. I can't remember if it was or data centers, but it did not stand up in court
apparently. But somebody somebody said that in a in an email, right? There was no such regulation because it it basically failed. And I I think it was clear that
it's it failed in court. So we have to be kind of careful. >> And just to add to that, I think they too are having a public hearing on their regulation and I think that was the 18th cat. >> Oh.
>> Um I'm have to look. Let me see if I can let me check and make sure. But they are having a public hearing coming up. >> And that's on the groundwater protection regulation. >> Yeah. >> The 18th public hearing on the 18th. >> Uhhuh.
>> I don't know. I I would hope that that was available by Zoom, but um so I was thinking about attending that just to see what kinds of issues come up and you know >> that would be that would be great if
it's a Zoom you can attend it. That would be fantastic. >> And then you can tell us about it on the 19th when we have our meeting. >> Yeah. Yes. Before you forget all that I understand about it, I'm happy to share.
>> Yeah. Right. I I hear you. >> And that Wendell document, do you do you think that it is comprehensive and enforcable
potentially? So that I mean it sounds like if that already exists um why would we look to reinvent the whole thing? >> Well well well I don't I don't think it is comprehensive. I don't think that the
things that I mentioned before like citing specific citing regulation or or or criteria and um specific prohibitions on certain um uh substances and for
kinds of batteries and stuff like that. I don't I didn't feel that they addressed those things. And so it seemed to me that there was quite a lot of form there, right? they have to comply with this and they have to right have
this much space and stuff but didn't I felt like there was some content missing >> but as a as a sort of framework um I think it's I think it's a good start but I'd like to see some more things in it if we can
>> any regulation that is enacted by a board of health still has to be approved by the office of the attorney general am I right Kat I don't know. >> I thought so, but I'm not positive about that. Garrett might know more because
he's a >> That is true. >> It is true. >> I think so. >> Okay. Well, maybe we should look more broadly and search for
um search for other another set of regulations in Springfield. I I'm astounded that, you know, if they in fact do have three of these, nobody knew anything about it. like I I
just came up with dead end after dead end talking to the um Department of Public Health. They didn't have a a clue what they were or whether they're regulated. Um
>> really? >> Yeah. >> Well, it sounds like they're not or they would know about it. I would think so, but um >> yeah, there's one called the Springfield Data Center
and then there's another one called Accelerate. Oh, that might not be in Springfield. I'm looking at um points on a map. >> They're not all in Springfield. It looks like there's
Springfield. There's one in just north of Westover. H. >> Um, so that I don't know what town that falls in. Maybe Granby.
>> And then something labeled Westfield IT Support Company and managed IT services. Anyway, so I guess I should have said three in the Springfield area, but not
>> nearly all in Springfield. but uh another four in the Worcester area and a whole cluster of them in the Boston area. If you if you just do a search for data centers in
Massachusetts and look for a map >> um brings them up. But nothing that I can see in any highly a very rural area. Although that one north of West over who knows
looks like it's in Graanby. One of the things about I think both besses and data centers is that they need to be comparatively close to um a fairly large power supply,
>> right? Not just, you know, sort of at the end of a of a power line, but near a transformer. >> So So it's fairly limited. I mean, you can't just go out in the woods and set one up. Mhm.
>> Because they need to they need to be on the grid and and there are so much power involved that it's a a large input output. I don't really know how to talk about that, but um
so I remember when they were talking about having a really big solar installation down off Prat Corner Road by the by the substation down there. Remember that? And they they determined that
the size of the solar installation and the amount of power that would be generated would be for for the size that they originally envisioned would be too much for that substation to handle.
So that they had to cut back on the size of their proposed installation which as far as I know never happened. Um, but that's a real limiting factor and I I'm not sure
I'm not sure that there's any place in Shootsbury that that meets that that power requirement, right? Of course, that can be changed. I mean,
somebody can put more transformers or whatever. I wish Bill were here because he understood electricity extremely well and tried to teach it to me, but I did not learn. All right.
Is there more for us to talk about tonight? Norin, can you send me the um for the 18th that public meeting because I'll I'll attend that um as
well. Um I I have to think more about like look into other liberalleaning areas where these things are actually cited and see it would be great if we
could find a good set of regulations um >> that that have been you know been challenged where one of these has been constructed. Best is what I'm talking
about. I think if the planning board's more interested and has purview over data centers, maybe we we should focus our effort on the best thing. Um, but >> I think you're right about that because
only we can do the best thing and they can apparently do the data centers at least until the state takes that over too, you know. >> Um, but I I'd be happy to go on the 18th. I'm going to be out of the country
those other two dates, the 11th and 13th. So, >> um, just to answer your question, Whim, I just sent an email request to Ashley Goff, who is the health agent in Orange who sent the regulations and asked her
if their meeting was going to be available on Zoom and if she would let me know and how and when I hear from her, I will forward that information to you. >> Thanks, Moren. if you can also ask her. I sent I sent an email to the I guess it
was the town manager in in Orange whoever was was also copied on correspondence asking um asking about the challenge to the planning board regulation. >> Oh, okay. Yeah, probably
>> I didn't get a response. Yeah. >> Yeah, he probably knows more about that. Yeah, but he's not saying I asked specifically I asked if maybe there was a link to newspaper coverage or something so you didn't have to, you know, up and explain the whole thing to me, but he didn't answer at all. Uh,
yeah, I had some trouble getting through to them, but actually it was an administrative assistant who got through to me and soon as she did and she got me into the administrator to at least make the request. So, um, I can try going through those channels again.
>> Okay, that'd be great. I am all for the idea of not reinventing the wheel. And if we can find, >> right, >> a community that has, you know, enough characteristics in common with us and there's a well
composed regulation. I'm all for, you know, using it as a boilerplate. >> Well, that that would be great. And I mean to a certain extent that's Wendle and we can certainly start with the Wendle Wendell rag and um and and build
on it if we're particular concerns. >> Um uh since this is all comparatively new, I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't very many regulations out there at all. >> Okay.
And then there's the issue in the current political climate even if there are regulations why follow them. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Well, yeah. And then if you um read uh or if you watched uh the video Garrett
sent, there's a lot of money involved in these data centers. A lot of money. >> A lot. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of money is being put into them and they're expecting to get a lot of money out of them. >> Exactly. >> Well, and the the amount of I mean the
door is wide open on this at this point, right? I mean that the amount of computing that they need to meet future demand is going to require more and more of those mega sites that were featured in
the >> right >> in the video. which for me sort of brings to question whether or not we would even be a target for development because I don't know that we can match
what they need to meet the demand, you know, in terms of >> Yeah, I think that's true. I think that's true. It would be pretty they'd be scraping the bottom barrel from their point of view to try to set something up in a
town like this >> because it's not impossible >> where it's more easy. >> We don't we don't want to be caught flat footed >> there. >> Exactly. Um, >> well, there was something else I was
thinking of to say about as usual escaped me. >> Was it beaver related? >> It wasn't. No, it was about this. Oh, >> that seems that seems to be moving
forward, but um it's been it's been kind of slow and I'm not getting much communication about it, but it seems to have started. There's been there's been some push back from citizens who out of
kind-heartedness don't want to kill any beavers and and think that that there must be some way of not doing that. Um, but there's just an awful lot of wishful
thinking about this issue and you know they really imagined that if there were another way we wouldn't have already found it, but there it is. Um, yeah, I was going to say something about the orange thing
or the Wendell thing, but I don't remember what it was. If it's really important, I'll let you know and I will I will send out an email as we get close to those other meetings and see who can go. I'm planning to go to both of them. But um and you know that's enough, but I
would appreciate uh you know if anybody can do it. >> Um C, may I just have a second to um converse with Garrett about the collaborative? >> Sure. Go ahead. Um, Garrett, it looks like the meeting's on the 13th and you cannot make that meeting. Is that
correct? >> Garrett, you're muted. >> I'm just looking at calendars here. >> 13 calendar. I I can do that one, Norine. >> Okay. Do you want to do that one or I think I can do that one, too. But I I
thought you would send a message that you couldn't, but maybe that was for >> No, that that was the last one I couldn't do. >> Right. >> If it ends up that you can't do the 13th, I'll go, but >> Okay, I'll let you know. Thank you. And just for your awareness, um Ryan from
Montigue, um is going to be leaving his position. So he's not >> Oh, I was afraid of that. >> Yeah. So he's not going to be in that uh in Franklin County any longer. So >> yeah, he was getting Yeah, he's too
Yeah. Oh, that's unfortunate. >> Yep. He's >> a good >> He's a really good good guy and did a great job. So that's a shame. Okay. Okay.
I'm thinking that I was wanting to tell you something about that other video, but I can't remember what it was. I can tell you if you haven't driven by to notice that the septic system at the new library has been installed. Mhm.
>> We're getting here. All right. Um, if we don't have anything else to talk about, let's adjourn and uh and we we all have our our assignments, I guess, for for between
now and then. So, unless I hear an objection, I'm going to declare the meeting adjourned. Thank you. >> Hearing none, let's uh let's go our ways
and thank you all and good night. >> Good night. >> Good night. >> All right. >> Happy birthday, Cat. Coming up. >> Thank you.