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So this is the board of health meeting of June 17, 2026 and we have a quorum consisting of me, Katherine Hilton, Arlene Reed, Whim Lavine, and Garrett Simonson. We are hoping that Norian Peas will join us and

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we also have our board member elect. So let's get the old minutes out of the way. Are they acceptable? Did they seem not too brief? >> No, I thought they were good.

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>> They were fine with me. >> Same. >> Okay. Does somebody want to move to accept them? >> I'll move to approve the minutes at the previous meeting. >> Second. >> Okay. Any discussion?

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All in favor? Arlene? Yes, >> Lyn. >> Yes, >> Garrett. >> Yes, >> Cat. Yes. So, that's as unanimous as we can be without Norine, and she wasn't here anyway last

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time, so she she probably wouldn't vote. Um, with respect to the last meeting, I had some some conversation with the person whose um septic system was in question.

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And um she was understandably upset and angry. And so I told her that she had some options possibly. I said she could if she could get her all of her neighbors to produce water test results

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that were clean. I said we would probably be forced to pass the system regardless of any concerns about the septic tank. or alternatively she could appeal it to the department of environmental projection that might see things differently. Um she did not

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respond to that but she did ask just today about the betterment loan program. >> Um we still do have a little bit of money in that. I but I don't know yet

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how much. Um, it's meant to repair failed septic systems. And so this is kind of a weird borderline case, but it might be something that that we could use. I

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mean, that money's been sitting there for many years, and it seems like we could use it. So, I will for the next meeting um look into that, see what money we have to

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lend out and um we can think about how this might or might not be an appropriate case for a betterment loan. Obviously, back in the day when we were

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giving these loans right and left, we tried not to give them to somebody who was just going to turn around and sell the property and repay the loan immediately because that just tied up the money and we didn't it didn't come

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back to us, right? Essentially. >> Um, so if anybody has any thoughts about that right now, I'd like to hear them. If not, we'll just take it up next time. >> Do you recall what the process is that like the application process? I mean,

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does it come before the board? >> Yes. >> For approval? >> Yes. >> I mean, I I would tend to think we'd be inclined to support approval for it given the position that we took on the

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on the septic system. So >> it's it's entirely administered by the board. Nobody else really has any input into it. So we would probably have a certain amount of discretion in how to use the funds and how to, you know, how

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to justify using them if we wanted to do that. >> Any other thoughts on that? Well, to be continued. Okay. So, we have a simple well permit

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application for 45 Plaza Road, which is Kathy Car's house. And apparently they've been using a spring all these years. And uh I don't know the details on it if it's running dry or what. I think it must be because the well

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driller told me they're begging me for a well and so I have an application for it and everything seems perfectly in order. Everything the the um the leech field is 150 ft

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away. The septic tank is looks like 125 ft away. Um it's 200 feet from the road. Um, it's the it's more than 200 feet from the house. It seems it seems pretty simple

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to me. >> Yeah. >> Any any questions or comments on that? >> Who are they using? >> What are they using? They've been using a spring. Oh, I'm sorry. >> Know what company? What company?

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>> Who are they using? Cushing. Mhm. Seems pretty straightforward. I'm surprised they've been using a spring. I haven't Have you ever heard of that? >> No, not here. >> Yeah. >> But, you know, they're real old-timers

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here. So, >> yeah. >> So, uh who knows what else what else is lurking back there, >> right? >> Sounds like Py Carson. Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. Right. It's not not quite as

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primitive as that. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Shall we shall we vote to approve this application? >> Um I move to approve the application as you've described it. Kent,

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>> do I hear a second? >> Second. >> Is that you, Lyn? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Any any further discussion? All right. All in favor? Arlene, >> yes. >> Whim, >> yes. >> Garrett, >> yes.

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>> Cat, yes. >> Okay, I'll get that. >> Rather see them with a well than to be using a spring with who knows what. >> I don't know. >> Well, they've been using it all this time, so I guess I guess it's pretty

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healthy, >> I suppose. might it might be actually really nice water. Who knows? >> Yeah. >> So So we have an application for a septic system repair at 760 Pratt Corner

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Road. Um but it hasn't been reviewed yet. Um let me tell you what I know about it. Well, possibly nothing. Four bedroomedroom house 466

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gallons per day calculated daily flow new what does 2C mean I don't know anyway new a new tank debox um leechfield there's no request for

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um uh any local upgrade approvals. It looks it looks pretty simple. Um they've paid the permit. They had a um a perk test last year and I don't think that they've paid our fee for that. So I will collect that before anything else

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happens. Would you like to authorize me to issue this permit once all our requirements are met? those requirements being that they would pay all the fees they owe and um we would have um a

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review a positive review from either Megan or Mike or Anna in Greenfield. >> Yes. >> Is that a motion, Lynn? >> Yeah. I move to um approve that um

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pending all the requirements being met. >> Do I hear a second? >> Second. >> Okay. Any further discussion? Hearing none. We'll vote. All in favor? Arlene? >> Yes.

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>> Whim? >> Yes. >> Garrett? >> Yes. cat. Yes. Okay, there goes that. Um before we get into all the the heavy

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stuff, um I went to a district meeting yesterday and informed them that um Shutzbury is planning to withdraw from the district and at um town meeting next spring.

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And um they are we voted on a budget which is a level budget from last year which of course last year I don't think we spent a single penny of it because we didn't have a health agent. They're trying they're trying to find another health agent but it seems unlikely. So, I'm

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going to attempt to we're going to have another meeting in which we talk about with the Irving town administrator about how we can redirect the funds that normally would go to the district to the

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collaborative. And so, we'll be I'll be working on on getting that in order over the next few months, I guess. Um, that's really all all there is to say.

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Um, Elwack Haley in her infinite wisdom is trying to completely reorganize Elwack. And apparently, I don't know if it's happened or not. If it if it is, Elwack is going to be very upset. Um because

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just because um in any case, we need to re um revote on our representative. I am perfectly willing to do it unless

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somebody else wants to be the one. Don't all speak at once. I don't mind doing it. Um um I suppose we should just go ahead and vote. I'm told we're supposed to vote on everything. So, I'm just going to streamline this. I'm going to nominate myself

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and if somebody will second me. >> Second. >> Right. Anybody who fails to second me will have to do it herself. Um, all in favor? Arlene, >> yes. >> Lim, >> yes. >> Garrett, >> yes.

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>> Do I vote for myself? >> I think so. >> I say so. Go, go for it. >> Okay, Cat, yes. Okay, there it is. Um, all right. Now, Arlene, can you fill

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us in on the situation with a potential? >> I will try. Yes. So back in uh January, I think it was a representative from the Jewish community of Ammerst contacted uh the board and prim um contact at that

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time contacted CAT and indicated that because they are reaching their limits of their burial spaces and the cemetery that they currently own and operate on Leverett Road. They are exploring the

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purchase of a new parcel of land um to expand their capacity for burials. And this new parcel of land that they're checking out is across Lever Road and to the west or

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downhill um from their current site. And it is property that is owned by Kohl's and is um uh the part part of the property that had been proposed for the solar

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installation that is not going to happen. Um so um that has um produced a long list of questions about what needs to happen from here. So Cat was kind of up to her

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eyeballs with other things at the time and passed this task along to me and I accepted that and I've been trying to clarify what they need what steps they need to go through in order to um

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um achieve their goal. And so my communication with the um so I first of all um explored um

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uh the mass general laws and um I think I have uh anyway they they need to have a wetlands determination done. They need to have uh soil evaluations

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done by a certified soil evaluator. And if um there are no problems with the site, then they need we need to have an open hearing with notice to a butters um

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about the proposed use of this plot of land. And if the board of health were to approve it, then it needs to be approved by the town. And it has been unclear to me whether um approval by the town means

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select board, town administrator or annual town meeting. And I have put that question to um the town admin and town council. and I have not heard anything back from them about who would be the

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approving body. But at any rate, let me um if I may um share my screen. Let's see. >> Okay. Um see if I can figure out how to do that. I'll stop my screen share and

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>> Oh, here we go. I I Oh, it's not turned on. Okay. I'm sending a request to you. Maybe that. >> Oh, okay. >> And and while you're doing that, I think the answer is town meeting. >> And how do you know that? based on what

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they had to do in 1979. They had to go to town meeting and also based on uh a document that uh MAHB has related to uh cemeteries and board

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of health regulations. >> Okay. All right. So um share uh okay you got the share button at the bottom of the screen.

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>> Yeah I'm um I'm running into system settings issues. Uh, let me try it again. Okay. Um, here we go. Okay. So,

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Cat just today shared this um sketch with me and uh she said that the representative from JCA sent it to her. I have this today was the first time I

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have seen this. But anyway, um what they they are looking at a 10 acre parcel of land. Um and this is Lever Road down here. Monagu Road is off the outside of

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this sketch to the right. Um they are looking at a 10 acre parcel, but they would only buy five acres of it. In other words, they're trying to determine which part of the 10 acres is

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the most suitable. So, they have um a soil evaluator lined up, but the soil evaluator wants to hold off until it becomes very clear whether there are any special requirements when the use of the

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property, the proposed use is um is a cemetery. So, it they're looking for guidance about how many test pits they need to do. Cat's shared sketch has this 1 and a half acre parcel outlined, but I

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believe that this is because the frontage of the parcel that they're looking at is on Monagu Road, but they want an off of Leverit Road. And I Kohl's

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according to the representative whose name is Karen um according to her Kohl's is willing to grant them an easement or for a driveway to access the part that they do purchase. So, I've sent an inquiry to Karen today saying, "Is this

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is that what this 1.5 is? Is the easement to a larger back property, and I have not heard back from her, but I believe that's what's going on." Anyway, here, are you able to see this town of Shootsbury? >> Yes.

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>> Right now. Okay. So this according to this um map this is 200 and some acres um the uh 296 acres

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is this lot 15 this parcel 15 and I believe it is a 10 acre stretch out of this that they are exploring and would purchase five so it's a very small portion of this and this frontage that's

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over here on Monagu Road is what qualifies for whatever frontage the planning the planning board has told them according to Karen the planning board has told them that they're okay with respect to frontage. I've looked at the planning

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board meeting minutes and I don't see any reference to them okaying that they've got the frontage anyway. So, this is full of unknowns and I have sent an inquiry to a person whose name is Sean Gonzalez

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in the western district of DP to ask him about how many test pits in a 10 acre parcel they should be planning on doing. And I have not had a response yet. I put the

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question into Google and I am shagrined to say that AI told me that for this uh purposes of this proposed use that the soil evaluator should do two to three test pits per

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acre. So 20 to 30 test pits total if they're evaluating 10 acres. And this is on a parcel land that is wooded. So that is a huge undertaking

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and I'm trying to get confirmation that this is what they really would be required to do, but so far I don't have it. Also, with respect to the wetlands determination, they've got this roaring brook going through the center of this, so they're going to need to stay, I'm

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sure, well back from that. Um, so I don't know what portion of this they'd be um evaluating, but >> well, not only that, it looks like if if the access is on Monagu Road, they would

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have to cross a tributary to Roaring Brook, right, to get to it. >> But they are asking and it sounds like Cole, according to Karen, Kohl's is willing to give them an easement to access easement off of Lever Road. So it

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might be through here, >> right? That that's where that's where it would be probably. >> Pardon me. >> Between 101 and 102 >> or between 103 and 104. This is also owned by Kohl's. >> Oh, I see.

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>> That's Yeah, that's where I think it's going to be in in that spot. This lines up more with the sketch that Cat um provided with with where there's this 10 ft of frontage that I think allows

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just for the easement for them to get a driveway in there. >> And and just for clarification, Cat, if somebody watches this video, this this is a sketch that was done for when it was going to be solar. Those are not plots buried.

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>> Right. No, I think I think that's the solar solar sketch. Yeah. >> Yeah. I believe these are solar panels, >> right? >> So, >> right. If Yeah. And if you Yeah. If you bring that back, if you if you go a little bit to the right here, let me put

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my glasses on. So, I No, if you go back. >> Sorry. The other one. This one. Okay. >> Yes. Stay there. So, we we see this spot between 103 and 104, right? And then um to we go to the right 71770

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and across the street that horseshoe that's the the existing Jewish cemetery. >> Yes. >> Okay. So it is it is quite close and one would think that they'd want to be on the right side rather than the left. But who knows? >> I mean it's going to they're going to

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have to see which is more more appropriate. So, it's just I'm not getting responses um so far from D. It occurred to me that I might want to be in touch with Furcog um

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with the same question about how many test pits would this organization be required to arrange for or how many would the soil evaluator be asked to perform? um given the proposed use of the

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property. Um and uh so anyway, this lies ahead of us over the course of the next year or a little less than a year. I suppose they are not in any rush to do this. This is a long a

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long range plan. Um but they have engaged the for the um the soil evaluator and the um wetlands determination. So, it sounds like they are moving along. >> Do you know if they've been in touch

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with Concom? >> Well, she said to me, uh, we're we're getting us a wetlands determination done. So, I believe that means and my original communication with with her was that they needed to be in touch with

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>> Kong. >> I should check Kong's minutes the way I check planning board's minutes, but I have not done that. Uhhuh. So I don't know what more to say except that this is a complex Oh, I I should

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also say that given the um uh burial practices within their organization, this essentially it comes down to being green burials >> because they um do not you know the the

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the requirements of a tradition traditional Jewish burial are very much aligned with that of green burial. I have notes on that if people want to know further about that aspect of it.

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>> We we heard a lot of bit a lot about it last time. >> Yeah. Bombing is forbidden. Um the body is buried in a plain wooden coffin or shroud. Coffins have no metal parts. Earth contact is desired. No concrete vaults or grave liners typically are

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used, but if they are, they include holes to allow direct contact with the soil. Um, so bioderadable containers. Um, yeah. So it essentially boils down to uh green

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burial, >> right? Um they did use concrete vaults or have used them in their most of the burials in the existing cemetery because

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uh their the soil conditions they were particularly sandy and the um whoever they were working with their excavator or somebody um required them. So, they did go ahead with concrete vaults, but I think that means they put holes in them

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as I described a moment ago. >> Right. >> Um Oh, I see. So, so, uh, let me go back where where you are. Just looking at um

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the the scale here. Um so you can see where the the current cemetery is. It's uh it's number it's T115 there and it's got the horseshoe. >> Um that is two acres.

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>> So approximately so it's going to be a fairly small chunk out of this gigantic piece. >> Right. Right. So, it could be that this sketch that you sent along

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I don't know that might be could that be 10 acres cuz they, as I said, they're exploring 10 acres to determine the five that they would purchase. >> Well, if that's one and a half down there. >> Mhm.

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>> Um, yeah, I guess so. suppose and roaring brook which I which you can see very clearly here. >> I'm not I can see it I can see part of

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it on this map but it's very indistinct. I think it it comes in here it is I it um >> Oh yeah. >> Can you see my cursor? >> That says Roaring Brook. So it Roaring Brook is up near the top of this parcel

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and they would clearly need to and I think it continues. I'm not sure which of these lines marks Ringbrook but >> yeah, those look like contour lines. >> Yeah, I know. I'm not sure. But up here it's these longer dash dashes that

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represent roaring bugs. >> Oh, no. Then the one with the long dash that's Yeah, might that might be it. Um, so they would need to stay well back from that and I think it's two >> it's 200 feet.

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>> But I think it might be 200 feet from >> Yeah. >> Yeah, >> it is. >> Right. And then they're um their setback to wells is assuming density plan density of fewer than 50

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graves per acre. their setback from the wells will be 300 ft. And the wells, >> there's a significant number of wells in the neighborhood. Yeah. >> Um because because if you look on the

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corner of Montigue Road and Lever Road, number 13 there, >> that's Penny Kim's house. There are five houses going down Montigue Road. And there are five houses going down Lever Road. these other lots. I I don't think

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there's um I don't think they're built, but that's a lot of wells that they have to um that they have to be sure to accommodate. >> Yes. And so we have ahead of us, although who knows when, um, prospects of a public

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hearing with notice to a Butters and we might anticipate a lot of concern from a Butters such as we've had um, you know, concern over here in the current cemetery from the Abutter to the to the

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east. Um, we might see a a host of >> right at least in this case we'll be able to apply the D guidelines because new construction and we'll want to do that obviously

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>> whereas we couldn't we couldn't even consider that in the other on the other side of the street >> so I hope to get clarification like I said about the number of deep hole uh deep holes that need to be dug Whether

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that's going to come from D or whether Furcog may be a source of information, it's to be determined, but I will try to keep you all posted and um communicate

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with Karen. Um and then um I will try to confirm with planning board that they in fact feel no concerns about frontage

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um in this case and um I imagine that the the reason they said they have no concerns even though it doesn't show up in their minutes is that um they have it by right if they have 10 feet frontage on some road that it's good enough. That

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that's my guess. >> Strangely though, when I went to check the minutes of the planning board, you know how many sets of minutes I found start for all of 2026? Two >> two sets of minutes.

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>> Hey, I thought I was slow. >> Yeah. So, >> well, there it is. Um, on this note, Garrett made an interesting point when he he when he saw this on the agenda, he called to find out what it was and uh he

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made an interesting observation about deep holes on the other side of the street. Garrett, take it away. >> Yeah. So in 1979 when they were seeking approval of that site

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for a cemetery, I think they did a total of nine across the across the two acres. But as far based on all of the research I did at that time when when this was coming up for us, there is no

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number of holes per acre standard or rule or regulation even um at the state level per acre. Um, the only thing and and today I did a little bit more research and even nationally I I think the only thing I

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could find was Arkansas had a you know one hole per acre rule. Um, but that there really isn't that. Um, so in many respects that was probably exceeding any sort of expectation for

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that 115 parcel um to do nine uh samples there. >> But I I would think that we would want for there to at least be one hole per acre or um maybe even better

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two per burial section. um >> what what are you considering a burial section when you say >> well you know so like if it's um or or a phase uh you know like burial section or phase so if they're if they're going to

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um sort of phase it in and they're going to start burials and you know one one section of the if they're going to do five acres and they're going to first focus on one acre and you know move throughout um I don't know how they I

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don't know how they would draw up what it looks like, you know, so within 5 acres, it might not be the full 5 acres that they're using, but they have, you know, you think if you drive into a cemetery that it's not all burial plots.

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>> Um, so, >> so I think, you know, we could explore something like that since there there isn't, as far as I can tell, a standard. And then the other thing I was going to say is uh Andrew Kelly at DP is who we

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did a lot of conversation with when we were first talking about the original or you know the original cemetery. >> I'm sorry. Say his name again. >> Andrew Kelly and I think he's still at D. And I'll I'll uh circulate his email.

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um he was involved in the conversations as it relates to the public water supply of of the school. >> Mhm. Um, and while they may, while D wouldn't probably be involved because

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of the distance from the public water supply of the school, they may have to be involved in some approvals as it relates to the tributaries depending on where in that 10 acres they

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decide to go. So D may still have a role in in doing some approval. >> Do we know the statutory setbacks of burial to um uh surface water?

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H >> I do um I don't know off the top of my head but um and it is mass general law

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title 16 chapter I have the title chapter and section um written down let's see I don't I don't have the figures But I can pursue that. >> Okay. >> Of course, Concom will have their own

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setback requirements from the stream >> for any wetland >> any for any kind of uh construction or or digging even. Mhm. >> And that would probably be that would probably be 100 feet,

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possibly 200 depending on how what it's like, you know. >> Yeah. Um Okay. Well, I will I'm like I said, I'm trying to um

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pull together confirmed pull together and con or confirm information that I've accessed one way or the other and um I will keep you all posted, but I'll be gone for three weeks. So,

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>> so well, they said they weren't in a hurry, so we can just we can just let it ride. You know, another thing we can find out from the planning board is with that frontage on Montigue Road, do they have to have road access there or

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can that just be frontage? I mean, I don't know if it has a practical application or if it's just a matter of having a certain amount of frontage on the road. >> Yeah, that I was hoping to find that from their minutes, but saw saw nothing

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um that. So, I may I may just My next door neighbor is on the planning board. I may call him and >> Oh, yeah. >> He knows if he recalls anything. >> Good idea. >> But how much clearer I will get before I

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leave town is I don't know. >> Well, don't don't worry about it because they're not in a hurry. >> Yeah. Although I guess they've got this soil evaluator lined up and um I think that

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so that person's name is um Steve maybe m and um I guess he's from UMass and she said to me that he um not only is a certified

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soil evaluator but he trains other soil evaluators at this, but Steve maybe did not know what how he should proceed. So, I guess he's kind of hanging waiting to hear what he's how many um how he should

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proceed. I would think that he had some resources he could tap into to to find this answer. You know, >> one would think or maybe there, as Garrett suggested, there isn't an answer. Maybe maybe it's it's up to our discretion.

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>> Yeah. >> To um to set this. >> Yeah. >> Do you mind if I just pitch in real quick? Um please do >> because I know Steve may be personally. Um >> he is was he's retired Massachusetts

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state geologist. Um, and so that's kind of where he came from. Like >> his um the current Massachusetts state geologist, I don't know if it'll help, is Brian Yellen um ye len and I think he

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lives in Lever, but um he's another person that might have that same knowledge as Steve. >> Thank you. So >> yes, feel feel free to pitch in whenever you have anything. Um this is why we've recruited you for the board of health

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because you know geology. >> Yeah. And your perspective on this is going to be so helpful and important uh important to us. I mean, the green burial guidance, this the state green burial

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guidance calls for an abbreviated soil geological evaluation by a mass DP certified soil evaluator within the proposed burial plot, burial area

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to determine, and Claire, you can help us with this, EHWT. Oh, we know that. That's the estimated seasonal high ground water table. >> Yeah. Well, I didn't. Uh, soil profile to about 4 feet.

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>> Soil variability and depth to shallow bedrock, ledge or other limitations. It does not prescribe a number. >> It doesn't prescribe a number of test pits. >> Right. >> Just deep holes. >> Okay.

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>> Claire, do you have any thought about that? about the number of test pits, how variable the the plot might be. Um, I don't really um I feel like

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especially here we probably have I would think death to ledge or bedrock might not be that deep. So, that's kind of my thought is I'm not sure. There's a lot of um it's kind of hilly topography back

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there, so I'm not I don't really know exactly what would be right or anything like that. So when >> it could be I mean if there were a minimum standard uh the ultimate number of of test holes

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could be contingent on what's found in the in the first one or two like if they seem if they seem like they are barely suitable more could be required. I could also imagine that um context

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would be important and so like knowing how many pits could be related to what the era what the plot looks like that might be the sort of thing that somebody who is um certified to do that work um know

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like maybe Steve maybe or somebody like that is somebody to just ask about it too in terms of if he doesn't know the number of holes but you could say like is it relative to what the land looks like? Would that make a difference for

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um number of holes? Like if something's much flatter and uniform, is it going to be different from something that's more hilly and wooded? And would that be something that that context would be important for the person who's certified to know in order to tell how many holes

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are needed? Mhm. >> That makes sense. >> Yeah, it does. So, is there anything that we can tell that we can tell um Karen about or tell Steve maybe about what we want, what we

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suggest? It sounds like It sounds like it's up to us essentially and the fact that we don't know how how many is a good number. I mean, it seems like

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I don't know. >> It I mean, no one has asked us that question yet. So, doesn't it it seems like maybe there are some other steps first um with the

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the Concom I I mean they're going to these guy these this group is going to hire their own um analyst for for the wetlands, right? >> The wetlands delineator. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. But I would imagine Concom will also weigh in on that. Would they review that finding? >> I imagine they would. And you're making a good point, Whim. Um,

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what they find and what Concom determines is really going to limit where in this part parcel they can even start narrow down. It might very much narrow down the

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eligible >> um or or >> appropriate um >> acreage. Yeah. >> And it might even narrow it down to under that 10 acres that they were thinking of exploring.

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>> And um yeah, >> right. >> And they'll they'll want to get that done. I mean, they can't do that in the winter. So, it if it's not done during this growing season, it'll have to be

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next growing season. I mean, they want to see what species are there. So, >> right, >> it's not a wintertime thing, >> right? Um, >> yeah, they might be well advised to do

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that first. >> Yeah, I would think so. >> Okay. So, >> I mean, particularly if it's he it's heavily wooded, as you say, they I mean, to get heavy equipment in there to dig

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the test holes might even be a challenge. Who knows, >> right? And they should not be wasting their time on deep holes in an area that's not >> eligible for a wetlands per, >> right?

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>> Yeah. >> All right. So, I will try to contact Karen tomorrow and um clarify whether or not they've been in touch with Concom. And if they have not, then I would

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encourage them to do so and maybe begin to narrow down the appropriate acreage um for doing test pits. And then from there um

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I don't know what how we arrive at a number of test pits per acre um is it one or is it more than one um and in what guidance we want to give them um or requirements we want to pass along to

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them. Remember too that how many acres did you say this whole yellow parcel is >> according to this >> like 200 >> the um acreage is it's down here somewhere 296 almost 297

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>> so but it may be this lot that they're looking at um >> or yeah it may be that not all of the parcel is for sale and they don't have their pick of it. Um it's it's they said

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they were looking at 10 acres and they want to buy five. So presumably there's a 10 acre subdivision here that's available and we don't know what it is. >> Right. This when I look at the acreage on this it still tells me 296.8. So, I

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don't know what the heck, you know, that maybe they're talking about the two parcels 53 and 15 together. I I don't really know. But >> yeah, 53 maybe may be part of the total. It may because this is a they call it a

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zotlock where the um where several parcels are are >> Yeah. put together and considered a single thing. >> Yeah. because it still comes up 29 two whatever I said 296.8 or something like that. Um

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>> here. So that may be exactly what's going on there. And maybe it even includes more like maybe it even puts it together with with this. This is Yeah. See, if I go up here to this one,

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17, it still says it's 296.8. >> Yeah. Yeah. This >> they're talking about some large conglomeration of property owned by Kohl's. >> Well, yeah. Notice it mentions they have 19 abuing properties and basically they

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own the whole thing back there. So what they're what they're offering potentially for sale is a fairly small portion here and we don't know exactly what the boundaries are that may but knowing they want this access driveway

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if you will um from Leverit Road it suggests they're looking at something approximate to Leverit Road. >> Yeah. Yeah. Certainly. And certainly um that it seems like that would be part of

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it, that number 53. Now looking at across the street at 115, >> that's that that 53 looks like it's maybe two two and a half acres, >> right? So but their purchase may not be

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constrained by the lot. uh number, you know, that right they may be going with something like this, >> right? >> You know, >> and they'll have to they'll have to go through the process of subdividing, too.

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>> Yes. Yeah. Huh. Interesting. I haven't thought about that. >> Yeah. That's something that goes on with the um I think mainly the assessor's office. The planning board might get involved in it, too. I don't I'm not sure.

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So that's so that's an interesting point. If that's about if that's about half of it potentially >> or maybe >> and if it were centered

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>> I mean on that 53 then um then it would be pretty far from those streams. >> Yeah. And it could extend that 296 could extend all the way up to here. >> Yeah. because that is

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uh also Coohl's. >> Yeah, it's not very clear >> listing all of these collected, you know, in one one total acreage figure. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it could it could go all the way

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up to up up there. So, >> yeah, >> it is a pretty small portion of all this that they're looking at. Right. So if they were going to be in the neighborhood of that 53, they would

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be at least far from Roaring Brook. >> Yeah. Right. >> All right. Well, Arlene, I'm really grateful for all the work you're doing on this. >> Well, I feel like I've caused some confusion along the way, but it's

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primarily to myself. cause it. You just uncovered it. >> But I'll try to straighten it out. >> Great. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> I will stop sharing. >> Okay.

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Do we have any other reports or anything or updates that anybody wants to tell? I had the >> um >> I just heard this evening um about some movement on the Greg Steve

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property. >> No way. >> Yeah. So >> what' you hear? Well, the select board has been contacted and they

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have found I may not I may not be relating this accurately, so I I don't want to I don't want to misrepresent it, but um but the owner was found in

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default of their taxes and the town is contemplating um taking that property. >> That's a kind of two-edged sword, isn't it? Because then if they take it, then

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it'll be ours. >> Yes. So, >> of demolition would be ours. >> Exactly. So, that's sort of the tradeoff. it'll get done, but I imagine the town would be on the hook for the cost of remediation there. So,

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um >> but it sounds like there are other other parties who have had it with this. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Yeah. I was wondering really when the select board was going to get into it because um because a while back I

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told Haley that we weren't going to deal with it anymore and the select board was going to have to take it. Um and it's taken a little bit of time. >> But yeah, I mean I hate to see I would hate to see them lose it and maybe this is will be enough to light a fire under them

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but >> I don't know. >> But if that's what it takes. Um, so did this happen at the select board in an open select board meeting or is this like back channel stuff? >> Yeah, I'm not sure.

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>> I'm not sure. I um I don't know. >> Okay. So, maybe I can look into that and find watch the video. >> Cool. >> Yeah. And maybe it was the whole post office thing that precipitated it. I don't know.

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>> Maybe. >> Maybe. So, maybe so. Like while you're here. Yeah. Interesting. Is there anything from, you know, MAFCO or that kind of stuff that we need to

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know about? Garrett? >> No. No, not not currently. >> Excellent. Okay. Well, Norin has joined us just just in time to be thanked for all her service over the many past years. I don't know

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how many. There are a lot. >> It's been it's been really great having you on the board, Noren. You you've just put so much time and effort and heart into it and I am really grateful and I'm going to miss you.

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>> Well, thank you very much. I've enjoyed working with this group. It's been a great team. Um, you're going to love it, Claire. Um, and yeah, thanks for your appreciation. And I I enjoyed almost

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every minute of it. >> There were a few minutes that weren't so good. >> That's true. >> Yes. Thank you, Norine, so much. >> So, so we haven't gotten around to planning it, but I do think we should have a party

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>> here. to >> Yeah, I think we should have a party. Maybe maybe later on in the summer we can uh we can put that together. >> Well, I think we should have a party just because we haven't had one for a couple of years. >> Well, I think so, too. I think so, too. Do you have Do you have a date to

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suggest? >> Uh I'm pretty open in July and the first part of August. So, >> Okay. Okay. Well, >> I think Arlene's away. I think she's >> back on the 10th of July. >> Okay. >> Good. from then till

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first at least the first 10 days of August and maybe a little more than that then gone to the Cape for a little bit but >> okay so we've got about a month window between July 10 and August 10. Um Garrett you were talking about doing some traveling in July has has that

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going to happen? >> It it'll be the beginning toward the beginning. >> Okay. >> Excellent. Okay. Good. Let's just throw throw some dates out and, you know, then we can see who's available on those dates, >> right? Ideally, everybody

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and their and their spouse, too, although that's always hard to achieve. But yeah, let's uh let's plan to do that. >> Okay. >> And whim, if you're wondering who's been walking up enjoying your um mountain laurel, it's me. So,

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>> good. Was that you parked there today? >> Yes. Yes. >> Great. Good. You left >> Absolutely gorgeous. >> You left your car lights on. >> Oh. Oh, jeez. Well, it wasn't my car. It was a friend of mine who who walks with

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me. So, >> Got it. >> Anyway, that's that's quite a it's quite uh what do I say? Quite a job you're doing up there. It's beautiful. Yeah, it's going to be nice. >> This is formerly Paty's house.

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>> Yeah, eventually we'll have a house warming. >> Good. >> That'll be great. But you don't mind if we go and walk up there? >> No, not at all. >> Awesome. >> No, I just wish the laurel would stay in bloom all summer.

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>> I know it. So do I. It is spectacular up there now. if you don't know it, you know, I'm happy to >> walk back with you. Maybe whim is too, but um it's gorgeous. >> Yeah, it's primo right now. >> Yeah, it's it's just Well, it's not

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really early. It usually peaks at summer solstice and we're practically there incredibly enough. >> How did this happen? >> Right. >> All right. Well, I guess we're done. We'll work on planning a party. Um, you

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know, I did not follow up on that that place whim where you thought somebody seemed to be camping out at the bottom of Wendell Road. >> Yeah, there's been no change. So, >> okay. >> I mean, I've never seen a a person there. It's just

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>> possessions. Well, we can't complain about that, I guess. But I'll try to drive by and see what it looks like. >> All right. >> What are you calling the end of Wendle Road? Whim. >> So, it looks like it's sort of um right

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up the hill from you from your neighborhood. Um, next >> way up there >> next to Martina and um >> you know that the small house right on

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the road. >> Um, >> yes, >> it's kind of close to there. You know, there are three there were three plots for sale and it looks like it's one of the three was sold and now some trees

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were taken down, but there's a bunch of like Tupperware bins and >> Oh, that's that's Josh the electrician whim. And I think he's just putting stuff there would be my guess. I don't think he's camping up there. He's got a

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place that he built just below that for his daughters. So, I know where you mean. >> I mean, I can check it out. I walk by there a lot, >> right? >> Yeah, it looks like stuff stored. I don't know. >> That's what I think it is. I think he's just storing stuff.

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>> Got it. >> Excellent. >> He lives on the undershore drive, cat. His first name is Josh. He's the electrician. >> Yeah, I know where he lives. Josh Kingsbury. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Good. >> Okay.

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>> All right. Okay, >> thanks. >> Well, thank you all. I'm going to declare the meeting over and uh Oh, wait. Before we declare the meeting over, let's meet again. I have something

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else, amazingly enough, on July 1st. Usually Wednesdays are sacred, but this year I've slipped up. So, how about we meet again on July 8th? Who's available for that? Arlene is not.

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Garrett, maybe not. >> I think I can do the eighth. >> Okay. All right. If you can't If you can't, we'll just change it. >> I don't think I have anything. >> Okay. It sounds like we'll have a quorum in any case. So, whatever anything that we have to do, we can do. And if we

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don't have to do anything, maybe we won't meet. Although that almost never happens. Very good. >> Okay. Thanks you guys. >> Thank you the eth. Good night. Darling,

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>> thanks. Yeah. >> Thank you.