Hey, Frank. >> How you doing, Nick? >> Good. >> How's things? >> I'm getting better. We're going to have another meeting at 8:30 to finish up. I might find a little more out tomorrow. I might not, but that's okay. And I did a couple hours of the pottery.
That's the only important thing for me right now. That's the way it is. What's the meeting at 8:30? Who's that with? >> There's tomorrow. They're finishing the last of the cleanup. >> Oh, yeah. Western. Oh, God. Not tonight. I've had a >> Yesterday, you had a long day and I had
a very long day yesterday. I started at 5 and I went till uh ECAC ended at 8 and financial ended at what 9:30. >> Yeah. >> I listened to it. Tom had it on his phone. So, I listened to it. So, >> the fincom. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I I I unfortunately like watched a little bit of it today and like watched myself. I was just like, "Oh my gosh." >> Well, I do that all the time. >> So bad. Cringe. I'm like saying um every other word. I'm like um um um.
>> Well, it gives you something to put on your your computer, you know. No ums. >> Yeah. No ums. Stop the ums. >> I do a few things. It's my laugh. I laugh when people say stuff, but yeah. Yeah. Did you know? Hey, we're just we're just people. You know, you're
potter. I'm just a you know, we're just people. We're not trained in this. >> Yeah. >> Um anyway, >> we have a huge stupid meeting today because energy, we have a lot of things planned
today. Seven things on this agenda and I want to get it done in an hour and hopefully it will happen. We'll see. Hey Jeff. I didn't mean to turn that off. >> Okay. >> Bonus. No, that's Italian. >> Hola.
>> Hola. I got three of us now. Did you actually see the top be put on on the uh cathedral? >> Oh, yeah. It was across the street. >> Yeah, I know. I saw it. I was watching it on the news. I said, "Oh my god, Stephen must be like hanging out having
coffee this morning looking up." >> Amazing. >> Yeah. Stephen was in Barcelona for a month. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, that guy, what an what a mind.
So even to this day they build models of everything often full scale before they actually put it in stone or concrete. >> So they must get to put those all over the country later on for people to look
at. >> Yeah. Right. >> I haven't heard from the other two. I don't know. I'll wait another few minutes. It's only 5:30. Uh, did you enjoy the food, Stephen? >> Very much so.
>> Wow. One of my favorite places was tiny little place and all they serve is seafood. >> Ah, >> very very fresh and usually just grilled lightly.
>> Wow. And this one dish they call it tuna petals and it's these paper thin slices of tuna
that's just layered around on a plate. Wow. You're making me hungry. Uh, I think we have Phil. >> Hi, everybody. >> Hey. >> Hey, Phil. How you doing? >> Good. How are you? >> Okay. I'm going to call to order uh the
meeting at 5:32. >> And we have Jeff Quackenbush, Nate Lo Law Cope as a guest, Anna Cook, Philips, and and Steven Dalmas, and myself, Frank McInn. First on the agenda is the meeting
minutes and we're going to forgo that till next time because I been busy for the last six days doing building material stuff and I'll catch up with that uh next. The next thing is the on the agenda was the uh
elementary school update. Um I had a conversation with Jeff yesterday um and kind of caught him all up. Um I don't know if you all opened up the replacement tank costs. >> Oh yeah. >> Yes. >> Oh yeah.
>> Um there's a lot of variables we still still don't know. Um so I got a call just to refresh everyone. Sorry Jeff, but uh and Nate, but I I got a call from uh an email from Matt that they were pumping out the pump vault and some pink came out. I went
over the first thing I opened my car door. I could smell the u oil and that was in the afternoon. I called Royal Steam and talked to Joe and I said, "Can you do me a favor and come down and look at it?" And he did uh the next day. But
in the meantime, I went to Haley and explained the situation. and she called the uh Katherine at the uh health and Katherine gave a whole bunch of things to do which led to us filing a report with uh and I met Lenny
also that day. I met Lenny the fire chief after uh Haley found out and we were worried about the amount that was spilled. Um, and a mass D came and and thankfully the
area where the pink was, uh, it rained that night and it spread all over the, uh, that circle and some went down into the drains. Um, we didn't know that with Mass D at the time. Uh, we found out the next day when the kids said there were rainbows
in the stream. >> Yeah. So, that's how that happened. Uh, Titan Bomb sent Sam over uh and Western Environmental came also. Um, the good news, the mass DP said it didn't think it was that bad, but his boss had to do
the final report. um on Wednesday and on Friday to catch up we uh Western Mass came and scraped all the dirt off uh the top three inches of the area and
put it in 55gallon drums and they were two drums short. They uh vacuumed all the liquid out of the uh vault. Um and I think you all saw the pictures I sent you. The pink one was my favorite uh showing fuel.
Uh and then they also vacuumed out all the catch basins. Um and uh they installed booms uh the the white absorbent pads in the vault in
each catch basin and five downstream spread out going forward. And that, excuse me, that happened Thursday. Excuse me. I'm sorry. That happened Thursday. Friday was a followup. It was a long week yesterday with all this. Friday was a followup. Uh, and I
met Ricky from uh, Titanbond just to see how life was doing. And he signed off on it saying everything is working as hap it is. And he was fine. And he said he'd write a report up as that that the booms are working the way they were should.
And we could smell the oil, the fuel uh in the stream. So there might have been residual in the um the tank. Uh Titan Bomb, Sam from Titan Bomb's coming back tomorrow with Western Environmental and they're going to take the remaining two and remove all the
drums. And so we're at we're going to call this phase one. Um Titan Bond's going to be between8 and $10,000 for this. Western Mass is going to be between five and six so far.
Um I you know I I haven't called uh Royal Steam, but I got to tell you the uh they sent this guy Phil about my age, our age I can say except for Anna. I don't know how old Phil is, but uh and uh a seasoned a seasoned guy and he was
so helpful. Um he went down into the vault, took pictures, told us on the first day, saw where the drip was. Luckily for us, the drip was on the tank side of the pump. If it had been on the other side, there might have been more pressure as it pumped to the school.
>> And when you say drip, you mean drip of oil, not drip water. >> Yes. Yeah. I'm sorry. the the leak was dripping oil from the u the tank side of the fuel pump. Uh after we pumped it, he get he got in and out
when there was still oil in there. And when he we pumped it out completely, it still riaked of uh fuel oil. Phil went back down and took pictures and turned the valve off from the tank to that uh pump.
The interesting news for me as he was down there, uh, there's two things. There's a a gasket that the rubber looks like it's going on one of the lines. Um, and he was disappointed because it's old co it's copper pipe. It's hard to work with in that area. Um, so they have to
figure a way to do that. But the interesting for me was there was an old pump. He says, "I don't think that old pump's worked in years." And that's the one that was leaking. And I have two bills from Jamrod replacing the new pump twice in the last
three years. So I'm very confused as why we don't have a backup and why Jamrod if they I don't know. I'm just a little confused on that and I I don't want to talk to Jamrod at the moment. But you know this we have three pumps. You know the two that died and one that's in there now.
They're all new that uh we paid for the last we paid for two in that one. So that's where we are kind of at phase one. >> All those pumps are down there in the pit. >> There's two pumps down 8 ft down. They have had ground water. How this started,
they've had ground water and I've I've watched them pump it out before. Ground water seeps up. We don't know where it comes from. It could maybe be the se the vault is a uh like a coffin. It's a a litted vault that's supposed to have neopre and all this other stuff. There were some markings on that that looked
like some lit water leak there. Phil couldn't tell if the water was coming in from the pipes, inlets or outlets. Um because he didn't want to be stay there down that long. Lenny, the fire chief, also went down and took pictures.
I haven't seen those. Um so water has always come up. It was the leak that you know >> the pumps pump water, not fuel. No, no. The pumps pump fuel and they have a sump pump in the vault because the
groundwater comes up. And they've been doing this for 17 over 17 years. The two custodians, Matt and Andy, have you they said they were doing it before their time. So, this has been an ongoing issue. >> How how does how does the sump deal with
the water? Like, how do they keep separate? Is just because the oil floats on the water, so the one pump is >> Well, this is the first time oil's been in it. Okay. >> So, in the past, I watched them do it and I never even smelt oil. And my first reaction was maybe they pumped. First of
all, I thought it was a uh there was a bunch of gravel once when we pumped. It looked like it was a sand bottom, but it isn't. It is a vault. It's a you know, it's a solid vault. We we dig we dug up the plans. And um my first reaction when I got the email
was, well, maybe they pumped extra long this time. And this is residual oil from when they changed out the pump way back when. Uh but when Phil went down the first time, sorry I didn't say this. Uh there was 2
in of oil and 4 in of water. The next day there was more, but we didn't measure it. >> More of what? Both water and oil. >> It was actually I should say the liquids were higher. I should say that. Yeah, the liquids were higher. That's a better way to say it. So we didn't go down and measure how much it was when they
started pumping. My calculations said that figured out there were 39 gallons of oil and I didn't calculate the water because I didn't need to. Um, but that's that was a key thing. Uh, so what's happening that's phase one,
>> pardon? >> Phase one. So that's we're at the cleanup stage right now. What's happening now is Sprag delivers the oil out of Albany depot or Springfield Depot. It's a big company, fuel company,
and they have to submit a report to DP on how much they delivered. And then they're going to come and look at the oil the um the boilers and calculate how much it uses between the time
the oil was delivered up to whatever time they check that. And then they're going to check the tank depth for the volume. And let's say we lost uh 10 gallons of oil on the field and 39 in the tank. Uh
that's 49. If they come up with 49, we're in we're we're golden. If they come up with like more than that missing, they have to find it. >> Wow. So, one thing they we lucked out at some point they put uh two test bores on
either side of the tank. Um to which both DP and Titan bomb said that's a good thing because if not we'd have to have a drilling company come out and do all these test bore holes similar to what we do for PAST. And
when I explained this to various committees in the last few days, everyone said, "Oh, it's the fire station all over." um because the fire station ended in ground tank. The best scenario for us right now is they don't find any hydrocarbons around
the tank and we go from there and we figure out what's going on. And the worst scenario is D is going to ask if they do find oil, they're going to ask us to probably take the tank out. >> So at the moment, are we are we going to
have Royal Steam fix those? Yes, that's that's that's I call that phase two because that's you know the cleanup is phase one and maybe that that's the end of phase one. I have to call Joe tomorrow to see where they are. Phil when Phil left on u Thursday that was
the last thing he said he talked to his office he has to go back do all the drawings tell him what it is he took pictures of the of the motors and there's a mo there's an electric motor and a pump that feeds the electric motor. You took pictures of everything
to see if they can replace it. Yeah, I know, Jeff. It's n This tank was put in in 1993 with a big renovation of the school, >> right? >> So, you know, they they've got to come up with a game plan and it and and submitted to us. Um, but it has to be
fixed, you know, cuz it the other thing he did notice one of I told you one of those gaskets he said the rubber was and I I forget the word might have been flailing but you know expanding and it shouldn't be expanding. >> Um,
>> when you and I talked a few days ago, we talked about maybe lifting the pump higher, >> right? >> Is that still an option? I asked Phil that and he said that's an awful lot of
work and I said yes I know but uh I'm going to need options and that's how I left it with him. So you know I need I need I'm not a plumber or an engineer or anything so I need some I need some guidance from a professional on that I can we can find out and share with you all. >> I have a question.
>> Yep. >> Um so I looked at that uh estimate uh that you sent and I assume that's for tank replacement. Correct. Correct. >> Um and everything associated with it. Um
is there has has a above ground tank been ruled out? >> No. >> I needed I asked Titan Bomb just to give me this budget things to go to committees. Um, prior to talking to Jeff, my initial
thought was to ask capital planning on the last day. You could ask capital planning money the other day for 20,000 or $30,000 uh to do a U engineering study on how what we should do with all this tanks and come up with a plan. Uh, the
engineering study is $49,000 on that plan. Um, and Jeff and I came to the conclusion we shouldn't apply for any money right now because we don't know which way we're going till the mass DP tells us. And we're in a hold pattern
right now. Uh, we have to fix the the problem, but we're in a hold pattern as to what we're going to do with this tank till they, you know, it's one do one run road is it's all set. there's no hydrocarbons in the ground and we get to
uh move on and you know figure out long term what we're going to do with this tank and short term as they find something um I needed to get some figures just to look at so I'd feel comfortable talking to people
>> right so this is the only reason why I did this I also talked to uh various pe in the committees I was in the last few days is another solution might be a short-term solution is a above ground tank. Um that
that proposal talking to Tom at Titanbomb, one of the engineers who drew it up and his boss signed off on it. The newer tanks you're allowed to get really close to the building. So, we could probably put it back on the right side of the other side
where the old tank was and dig the old metal one up. >> What's the right side? >> I call it the right side. It's where the boiler room is. If you're looking at the school, it's the left side. But I call that, you know, the right place I thought we'd put it is next to the boiler rather than have the pipes go all underneath the building.
>> Okay. The east side. >> The east side. >> So where the sheds are? Where the sheds are? >> Yeah. Okay. >> That side. >> Yeah. One thing I asked you said as So this is the this is like the uh the crux for me because I asked an awful lot of questions of everyone that met uh last
week. um Mass DP and uh Western Environmental. I told them that it was the double hole tank pre I sent out the pressure test too that it pressurized fine. So we we
know the the uh tank itself is not le leaking and they won't we won't have to do that test because we've already done it. Um but I said this tank was put in in 1993. It's 33 years old. You know what is the lifespan? and he goes, "You're in the lifespan right now. It's
30 to 40 years." And that's what two people told me. And then Tom from Titan Bomb, the inside engineer that drew things up or drew this contract up, I said, "What is the lifespan?" asked the same question. And he said, "Well, the same thing. You're
at 33 years and it's between 30 and 40 years unless you have the alarm systems." I said, "We do have the alarm systems." And he goes, "Oh, then you could get 45 out of it." I said, "But the alarms haven't worked in over 17 years." And he goes, "How much are alarm
systems?" They were about $25,000 to bring them up to code. >> Can you explain what the alarm system does? >> Uh, it it measures pressure in in the tank itself, >> the saline solution on the outside of
the tank, and a couple other things I couldn't tell you about. There's like he said there's a bunch of bells and whistles and there's a there's a floating device to measure if the uh you know one is if the tank leaks does pressure one if if the float goes up and down you know fast
what's happening there but none of that has worked I talked to two custodians Matt and Andy has never worked in the 17 years they've worked here they've worked for the school and my assuming my assumption is after 93 sometime who knows when when one of those systems
failed, someone said, "Oh, that's too much money >> and didn't fix it. We we haven't we haven't any problems yet now, so don't worry about it." But it has been over 17 years and to bring those you can't just fix that what's there, he said, because
it's out of date, not up to code. we'd have to do the whole thing and that wouldn't be a, you know, a a road we could go down because we probably have to dig and all that other stuff. So I said, "Yep, that's not an option." Um,
so that's where we are. Does anyone have any questions? >> Well, at the moment to kind of wrap up, we're waiting on Mass D. >> Yep. >> To make a determination.
Okay. >> And I don't know how I don't know how long that lasts. How long that takes, you know, I'll ask Sam tomorrow. You give me a ballpark. Um, you know, they came right out. It was, you know, they came right out. It was amazing. Uh, after the call was
made. Um, so >> Okay, >> I've got another question. Um, in that estimate, >> um, does that include, uh, repiping from the tank all the way into the boiler room?
>> Nope. They also have about a $60 $60,000 line one contingency of removing the tank, but that doesn't include what Mass Environmental would charge. So, if the tank has it, let's say the crystal ball
has everything's fine and we we come up a game plan to get rid of the tank so the school can build a new parking lot and change it to the other side and whatever, you know, anything to move that out. Um, to put a clean to a non-leakable area tank to pull it out of
the grounds between 10 and $15,000 and then fill the hole back in. So, it' be about because of the vault, I think he said it'd be more. So maybe up to 20, you know, $20,000 on the other side. If there's oil in the ground, >> 50
>> and then 50 to 100 depending how on how where it went and how much, you know, is out there and what type of groundwater it's in. It's all very interesting above my head. But how many houses in the area drink out of that ground water? He went on and on and on. It was kind of frustrating.
If um if it hasn't leaked, do you have to pull it out? >> No. >> I mean, can't you fill it with a slurry that uh >> Oh, I I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not Yeah, I haven't I didn't ask that, Stephen. I'm sure there's other options. Um,
but you know that would we that that'd be another thing to look at if we don't have to pull it out and we can >> Is that the location where the if the school red does the parking area like they'd want to pave over that area? >> Yes. >> Wouldn't even if we didn't have to pull
it out for the tank itself, wouldn't it be in the way of all the proper prep for pavement? >> Like is it >> down? >> Sorry, >> it's pretty far down, isn't it? Oh, yeah. That's a good question. The top of it. >> Yeah, the top is, you know, the top
could be I don't know. It's about four feet above the uh I think. I'd have to look at the drawings again. >> Um if I can find them real quick because everything is right here. >> Frank, I have a question.
>> Uh in the in the meeting last night, uh Haley mentioned insurance and that there was like a $10,000 deductible. What is that insurance? What would that cover? >> Uh, that would cover everything we've done up to date, what we would need to do going forward. And I don't know how
much it is. It it um >> last night I think she mentioned at this point they were at 23,000. Does that sound right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. And uh hold on a second. Let me see. I haven't done this in a while.
Share. While you're looking that up though, even if it's deep enough to be above the bottom of the prep for the pavement, presumably there'll be like a storm water management. >> Yes. >> Plan. And I don't know. I just I have a suspicion that that might be in the way
of that greater plan. >> I'm glad Anna, I'm glad you brought that up. >> Okay. >> Uh Okay. The reason why I'm glad you brought that up and I'll I can show you on a plan, but this is basically what we're looking at here. >> Oh, cool. Okay. This this fuel tank
right here is deeper because they changed it. >> Uhhuh. >> Um uh and I'll tell you about that in a second. But uh when we were looking at everything and looking at the plans, you know, there's a mailbox in front of the uh school in the parking lot right
there's a drain. That drain goes directly to the outside edge of the parking lot into that draining system and it goes right by the tank and the f and the and the uh vault. So is that the source of
water? Because mass destern environmental and titan bond said I don't know where the water's coming from because the angle of slope and everything else. He goes, "You shouldn't have water because it's you're so high up and all this other stuff and there's no moisture down at the lower
field if it was, you know, a very high grind groundwater." So, you know, that that was one thing that was said. Um, what was the other thing you said because I'm getting confused. Uh,
so that was a you that Yeah, they'd want to redo the drainage system. So, it probably have to be taken out. Um, oh, what I'm going to tell you is if you look at this ground level and the vent cap and everything, I had the pleasure because I was trying to get the history
of this I before I saw these drawings of talking to and I'm sorry I don't remember the name of the predecessor to uh Matt the uh head custodian and he lives down >> no Andy. It was before Andy. >> Oh, >> it was >> it was uh it was um
>> uh I'll have to look it up again, but we had a great halfhour conversation. He lives down in Shore Drive and he told me it went in in 93. It went on and on and both him and the past a past principal said there was a problem with water years ago when Jamrod came as an
emergency and we're talking about over 17 years ago raised up a lot of things and it was a $30,000 fix and they didn't expect it in the middle of that school year but it was a $30,000 fix. So, looking at this drawing where where my
uh cursor is right here, there's another four feet above that. And there's a square entrance above that and then there's a cap on top of that. So, this isn't the current ground level here. The vent cap
um is interesting because the vent cap goes into the school and out the uh out the roof. So maybe that uh Yeah, I don't Yeah, I I don't know that. But
where the subp pump is and I don't know if this is exactly the scale of where the fuel oil pump is. Um there is about another 4T on top of that. And looking at the tank
and all these areas here when we did the pressure test, they're a little higher. And there's a a 6-in pad on top of it. So there might be another foot above that. And it's all sloped on an angle. Andy told me that one
closet off the gym, there's a whole bunch of these that we should kind of get out and digitize so we don't have to look for them again. That's my thought. just say saying that out loud. >> Okay. >> So if you if you uh
since we don't know the scale but if you look at the tank so what's the say diameter of the tank? I mean, if you said it was only two feet,
then it's got another two feet on top of it. And then you said it's another four feet higher, right? About >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, so it sounds like it's at least six feet to the top of the tank from the existing grade.
>> Let me see if I can find this, Jeff, because um advanced tank Okay, this is the drawing. Let me go back to share. Can you see this drawing or are you still looking at the uh the original
tank? Well, we're looking at a document. It's not a drawing. Oh, now now we see the Now we see >> Okay, I'm sorry. I the drawing on the bottom. So, it's about 42 in
almost the top of the tank. >> 42 plus the 4T. >> No, 40. This is This is when the pressure This is the people who did the pressure uh tank. They did all the measurements from what they could calculate as they were there. >> Okay.
>> Uh see see bottom to grade is 134 inches right here. >> Yep. So it's only 3 and 1/2 ft below grade >> at where the oil is given in. Yes. And there's a pad on top of that that's 6 in.
When you open it up, you can see it. So this here, the top of this valve here >> is is in a a sunken area. So that's you know you got to add the the the pad. >> Yeah. >> So that's the diet. Do you need this anymore?
>> No. >> Um so the crystal ball as we wait for D. I might find a little something tomorrow. I don't I don't believe I will. At 8:30, uh they'll come to dig the last two drums and take remove the drums from the
school. Um I don't know how long the uh booms will stay. The booms will stay a while because they can absorb a lot of oil, he said. So I don't know if they probably won't be taking those out. Or maybe they are. I don't know. So when you got the information from the
mass D, where do we go next? Because it sounds like it's out of our hands and this needs to be kicked up to Haley and the select board, I guess. >> Oh. Oh, no. I I don't get anything for my >> My hands were my hands are clear. I I I
passed everything on to Haley and the select board and I said Haley gets the report. Uh because they don't have to declare it. They were going to declare an emergency so they could take because they so they could deficit spend.
But when the other licensed whatever el whatever Titan bomb is, they had the insurance guy come out who was a licensed u site something. Um they said they were covered and because they we have a
$10,000 deductible. They didn't have to declare it a state of emergency because they have enough money in two different funds to pay for everything up to a certain point. And we don't we I don't I didn't wasn't privy to how much the insurance is coverage. I
didn't ask um and I don't know if they even know um till D gets involved. So D is not contacting me anymore. I'm just dealing with Sam tomorrow. And if it was a
an emergency, Lenny's in charge and Lenny was very helpful. Um, but everything goes to Haley now and u trickle down to us. >> Okay, >> any more questions on the oil?
Great. Um, okay. That can go away. >> Before we leave the school. >> Yeah. >> What do we know about those those lights in the parking lot? >> Ah, what a fun thing.
>> School at night and it is it is lit up like a prison. >> What happened was they changed them to LEDs. They got another grant. They came around. I didn't know this. I know they were applying for stuff. I think they we talked about it at one meeting a couple years ago, but they did with Becky and I
did I think they got it and replaced him and when they replaced them they got really bright lights. >> I did >> and >> and they're looking and I and I asked uh Ann's looking into various things and I said well the first thing we have to find out is are all these lights on the
same circuit breaker because then we could turn them off. Uh um >> well related to that is who's who wants the lights on? I mean sometimes it's the police want the lights on. Is that what's driving >> security? Correct.
>> Yeah. But all the parking lots or >> No, that's the thing is the building >> I think the perimeter of the building and the parking lots are have um light sensors on them. So I asked if the parking lot lights are on the same circuit breaker, we can put them on a
timer uh so they go off at 7 8, you know, they can go off at specific times during the year so they're not on all the time and and and hurting the neighbors. >> Well, that's that's part of the solution, but it >> Yeah,
>> that also could be we need shielding on the lights. >> That's what I was going to ask. like are are they dark sky compliant or should they be >> That's a great question. >> And I guess the timer question it's sort of circular with who wants these on all
night anyways. So if the police want them on for security, don't they want them on all night? They don't want them shutting off in the evening. And who who decides all this stuff? >> Not me. Not us. Okay. >> Lovely. The other thing I asked Ann was when we we were just talking about this
when that came up last week also is um they need them for the security cameras. And then I posed the question because we were not involved in the security cameras. Don't they have an infrared or a nightlight thing? And she said no. She
didn't believe it did. Which I find, you know, in today's technology you'd want that. Uh but that was cheaper just his uh call and all that. So u but they they don't have that. They do have those lights do have sensors. Uh Stephen, you'll
appreciate this. I had to go take some pictures and it was at dusk to get ready for the uh annual town meeting uh book that they put out. And I wanted some more another picture and I went out and I went all the way around the building. And I took some more pictures and Anne told me that
security called her at home and because it was at dusk they described me and he goes, "Oh, he's okay." >> But and she said, "Take a picture of him and put him on the on the on the screen later on because he he's in the building's committee and he might be
walking around when off hours again." But he's the guy with a big beard. Uh but I I said I didn't know he had senses. She goes, "Oh, yes. We" She gets a call. A lot of calls when, you know, kids ride their bikes out there, you know, and they they they have parameters to do it, but if it's a certain time at
night and someone is alone walking behind the building, >> so next time you're at town hall, one of us is a town hall, maybe we could ask the police or >> Yeah. Are they the ones that
are requiring >> who's dictating that? Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because if the timer sounds like the easiest thing if that's acceptable to the powers that be otherwise Yeah. a bulb change or or a fixture change so the light is directed where it
needs to be directed and not everywhere or maybe or is it just one light pointing at the neighbors that like you know someone needs to go over and crank on and you know is it like should we do the that solution over the proper solution? >> Yeah, I I said the hood thing so they
just go down and they don't go out but you know dark sky yeah compliant. Is that the word you use? >> Yeah. Is there a um a state mandate or is there a state thing you could find us? >> I have no idea where that comes from,
but I'm used to conforming to that. Like if we're if I'm like if we're proposing a project for like a special permit or like I I genuinely don't know where it comes from, but that's typically a thing we include. Maybe Jeff can speak more to that from the architecture side.
>> Is that a thing you run into? >> What's the what's the question? dark sky compliant. Like I I'm used to com like conforming to that requirement, but I don't know where it comes from or like if when it's enforced or not.
>> Yeah. I don't know if it's a state if it's a building code requirement. I know it's a lead requirement. >> If you want your building to be leadcertified, that's one of the that's one of the points. So, >> okay.
I know to include it if I'm seeking any kind of special approval and I'm not getting a permit by right. We always include that. I'll put it that way. >> Okay. >> Okay. We need to do more investigation. Okay. >> Okay.
>> Yep. >> Did everyone peruse through the energy audits? >> Yep. >> Uh they were straightforward to me. Um, I tend to hang hang out at the ECAC meetings now with Michael Teier and they
have all the they want to find monies to pay for all this stuff. Um, there's a commitment letter in here I'm going to send you guys. That was I think I had money involved which I didn't know about. Um, and
they want to have a Zoom meeting on Monday at 2:30 if anyone wants to be involved and Michael is going to be involved to talk about this. I found it a little pushy because they sent me all these things and said and and then sent me a reminder the next day, you have to
sign these things. It was just like, no, no, no. I stopped. I let it go for a week and I just emailed the emailed the u eversource rep and said we do everything by committees here. Our next meeting is on the 18th. We'll discuss it >> and we're town. We go slower than most
people. So, >> so when I read those am I interpreting it correctly that there's two different and I don't have it in front of me. I'll have it in the >> I I had it in front. So, >> is part of it paid for by the utility
company and part of the cost is paid for by us? >> That's what I couldn't figure out. Um, >> okay. >> That's what I'll be there. Those are the questions. It'd be great if you were around on uh Monday. Um, and then the
other thing is we you know, we did this because the select board requested us to do this and that's why I did this. They said do Rita called up and uh actually emailed me and said we're for the use probably for the use committee. She emailed me and said do we have any any order of our buildings? I said no and
then a meeting she said we should really get do this. So that's why I started this. Um, and for instance, till you Stephen, your committee figures out what's being done with the uh, MN spear building. It is I don't know
what to do with that. Um, other than, you know, the insulation, you know, we don't know what to do with that. There's a lot of things. So that can't be done till the use of that building is done. Would you agree?
I would agree. I feel like there's a high risk we'll end up disturbing that work for future renovation. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think it's wise to hold off on that until >> Yeah. >> use is determined.
>> They were excited because it was so close to the electrical that the uh mini splits, the newer mini splits would work perfectly to get off the propane tank. Um, so that was interesting. >> So, as an example, could you go to the
town hall where it talks about the money? >> Hold on a second. Elementary. Uh, go back up. Go back two pages back. And I blow that up so so Stephen can read it.
>> So it's got a project cost. Then it says utility incentive >> and the net cost. >> Yeah. So who's paying what >> exactly? because it doesn't seem to be consistent
from building to building like like when you go to Spear they only one cost for the electric and it and it seems to be all covered by the utility company but not so I don't know well if go back to Spear
>> that's what I'm doing right now trying to get that >> stop right there so it says customer net cost there's the utility incentives customer net cost. So the total projects just over 10, utilities 3500, 6,500.
>> Yeah, I assume that we would be expected to pay the out- of- pocket 65. Although the question is whether we actually pay the out of pocket the whole thing and the utilities reimburse us or does the utility pay them directly for that? >> Yeah. But then when you get to the to
the lighting part of Spear, there's no customer net cost, which made me believe that the utility companies picking up all of it. >> Ah, >> let's look at that. >> Yeah, one second. It's
>> because that could be like different programs covering different amounts of different things. >> Uh, that went down. Okay, this is >> a little bit more.
>> Okay. Yep. Do you think they're just saying estimated net cost is that's still our out of pocket? Like I agree with you. It's confusing. They should have the same like naming structure, >> but just because the 2816 minus the 450.
Oh, no. That math doesn't math. Never mind. I thought that was the difference. >> Doesn't m Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Or maybe I don't know. Uh, >> so I know what we I you know I have no answers on this till I talk to Crystal
and um the other the other people that are on this. They sent me an invitation. Um >> I think it's a typo or is this Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. >> Yeah, I but the numbers we can work with that if it's okay. I'm going to give everyone your town email her your town
email address. You'll get an invitation to Monday. If you can make it, great. If you can't, that's okay, too. the 2:30 on Monday. Um, >> so that we can discuss this, you know, because I I I I really want Jeff and Stephen, if you can Stephen, if you can
make it, um, you should be you should be over your jet lag by then. Um, >> wondering on some of these whether we even agree with the scope, >> like for the elementary school, they say they want to slash >> the the existing insulation.
And I'm thinking that's an interesting approach to life. So, >> well, I I suspect that um what they want to do is they may have put some of the bats in with the vapor barrier on top
>> which and then they would slash the vapor barrier. >> Right. >> Yeah. That's the way I was interpreting it. Yeah. >> Yeah. Me, too. >> So, So, what time is that meeting? Monday. >> 2:30.
>> And it's what's the committee? >> It's the uh Eversource. >> Oh, Eversource. Okay. >> Yeah. just to go over all all this, you know, I didn't I wasn't going to sign anything till I had Stephen and Jeff and Anna and Phil, everyone look at this
because, you know, apples and oranges and pears, that's all I can see. So, nothing nothing matches. So, >> and so this is this will be listed on the town uh website.
>> No, see, that's what I've got to ask. Uh uh what's today? Wednesday. I'll ask Haley tomorrow. The fact that we're meeting an outside do we have to it might be a source. I think we'll call it a site visit because it's not our
Zoom. It's their Zoom or their phone or whatever it is they're using right now. >> So, how do we get the Zoom link? That's my >> I I'm going to that my last thing I texted her saying about, you know, I I'll be talking to everyone at 5:30. She goes, "Give me the names and their
emails and uh I'll send them a link." >> Okay, great. >> I'm just going to send you all a link. >> Okay. So, I think we're Any more questions on the energy order? I think we're we don't have any answers. So,
>> well, I think Jeff raises a good question about the scope. Um, you know, last well, while Becky uh Torres was still TA, um, she had gotten a grant to,
um, do some weatherization at the school town hall, maybe maybe maybe the fire department and the highway department. But after the fact when I was looking at the
um some of these things they had done at the school like they put this sweep on the bottom of one of the doors that goes into the courtyard. Well, you know, I get down on my hands and knees and I can look and see daylight under the door. So, you know,
I'm a little leerary about um some of these proposals because some of the work I think has been done, but some of it needs to be correctly done. So, it's sort of like when um when um Jeff and I went over the
proposal for replacement of siding and trim at the school before the project. I mean, you know, the original scope was so much higher than what he and I decided was appropriate. So,
>> right, >> you know, because when I look at the figures, I mean, you know, we're talking a lot of money, um, you know, if you do every building the way they propose. >> Yes,
Stephen, I agree with you. Um, and I think we the questions I think part of the signature is talking to Michael Diierre is they want a signature so they can get their end paid from U National Grid.
Does that make sense? >> No. >> Go over that again. >> You said >> I I think >> signature >> we we we can sign off on these things but it doesn't commit us. just the ones we're looking at is what I was told by uh the Eversource. But then someone else
mentioned, well, they they want all these things signed so their contract can be fulfilled with the energy with the uh national grid, the energy companies. There are sub they they do this to save energy uh national grid money.
Um that's why uh um they how they get paid I guess. I'm not sure. More questions from Monday. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I think I think a key question is
which I think Jeff has raised is if you sign it, have we committed to any expense? >> Well, yeah, that's why I didn't sign it. Uh >> yeah, smart. So, um I'm trying to find her email, but I'll
Yeah, when I find everything, I'll send it to you. So, I think uh till we talk to him more, we can't we don't know anything else is here. So, >> yeah, >> we'll move on to that. Um
and can you see Mr. Gutter? Um so uh number four was capital planning explaining what I did but I did I didn't do it so I'm just we don't we we don't need to discuss that uh on the agenda
because um I didn't do anything with that. And the last two things are the fire alarm system and the highway department. And I just pulled up the highway department. You can see that picture. >> No, >> not yet. >> We see. >> Oh, I'm sorry. It went off share because
I I Hold on a second. There I am. I hit the wrong button. So, Mr. Gutter took these and sent them that this wasn't done because of the roof. Um, >> so explain the issue here.
Uh the roof is broken. And I'm gonna look at the other picture. Uh >> it looks like somebody hit it and like crank like pushed it up somehow. >> Yeah. Yeah. Look at this. It's up about I don't know.
>> And I don't It might have happened after you inspected Stephen. Who knows? Was it you know this? But it looks like that you know that 6 in or 4 in that the roof is up and they didn't feel comfortable attaching. This is the existing gutter. Like you can kind of see if you sight down it
where it connects and then disconnects, you know, from all this. >> It looks like like someone just hulked out on the thing like someone, you know, like grabbed the >> Well, I think you're on the right track, Anna. What I remember um I I have to look at my photos from when I inspected
the building, but that had already been uh damaged. And I think Steve Sullivan told me that if I'm remembering correctly, somebody had a dump lifted and >> Yeah. backed in.
>> That's what Yeah. And >> or drove out. >> That's what I was thinking. Like a bucket, you know, raised up that someone wasn't thinking about. >> Oh, an operator error. >> I don't recall seeing that when I was there um getting the gutter quote, but
it was like almost a year ago. I I had to pull up the original estimate. So, I was I don't know if somehow we just totally missed that or if it happened after that. >> Well, you know, your perspective is quite a bit different standing on the ground. >> Fair enough. Yeah.
A few inches lower too from you guys. >> Yeah, I'll look I'll look at my uh photos from that and see see what I can add to it. Um, >> so where do we go from here with this? Are
they saying they can't put a gutter on or >> correct? >> Correct. >> Because of the roof or because of the gutter is bent >> the roof. >> The roof. >> They were they were going to replace that whole gutter with a brand new one, Jeff.
>> So now So we got to fix the roof then. >> Yes. And that's why someone last week asked me, "How is the condition of the highway department roof?" I said, "It's pretty good. It's one of the newer ones. The ones in the back are the ones we have to replace." But now I know why they asked
me. >> Could Could you go back to the other photo real quick? >> Yeah. >> It was just It was just notable to me that the fasteners are rusting out along the edge, but that next course up doesn't look rusted.
>> Wait, you know what? I bet that I bet those are red from a a box of red ones. It's not rusted. They had a red one and that's how they fixed the roof that popped. >> Okay. >> I could be wrong on that too, Anna. But yeah, it looks rusted, but I don't see
any You don't see any uh >> rusting going down. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. Okay. It just jumped out at me. >> Yeah. >> Do we have any way of getting up to see this in in live and personal
>> ladder? get in the dump truck that hit it. >> Sorry about Don't put that in the notes because I'm also wondering, are we getting a lot of infiltration air infiltration
underneath this roof because it's been pushed up? You know, I I bet on that, Jeff, because it's got the uh that plastic bag insulation up against the ceiling, >> right? >> And so, we couldn't see we wouldn't see that at the very end. So, this this
needs to be explored more. >> Do we we don't know if we have a ladder that's tall enough? >> I might, but I don't have a way to get it there. And I've got those wing things, whatever they're called, so it stabilizes. Actually, I can get it
there. It's one of those fiberglass uh 24footers. 24 footers. I just hang it out the back of the car. my old car, I used to put the an old mattress on top of it and use the screw in thing in the front and strap it down
and use the uh the the hitch in the back and drive down the street. But >> it's one of these times we ought to go look at this thing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The weather's nice >> and warm.
>> Yeah. Okay. >> Okay. And that's it. I don't know. I signed up for an hour and a half. I hope it doesn't kick us off. Um, >> well, we're only an hour. >> We're already That's right. It's a half. We're on the half. So, that's good. We
still have plenty of time. Uh, the last thing I had, I don't know if there's any other un unexpected business um from you all is the fire alarm system. And Lenny sent the letter out. >> I wonder if someone could help me out. I've been
overwhelmed lately with the buildings committee in the last at least in the last week specifically. Um would it would someone like to volunteer to call three companies again the ones we had and see if I Western whatever one you gave me. Uh, I sent the
email, never got back. And I know winter's not a good time to talk to people, but um, >> can you recap Lenny's letter because I started reading it and then I >> Hold on. I'll break on and on and on. >> Yeah, hold on a second.
Stop sharing that. >> So, is Lenny's letter saying we need to do this or he recommends we do this? And I'm gonna bring you right up and tell you in a second. >> I think he's listing all the reasons we should there should be u monitors in in
the different rooms. So if a fire started in a room and the doors closed, you know, it can burn for a long period of time before anybody would notice. Um, and you know the system as we know and
he reiterates it's just in the rear addition area. >> Yep. >> It basically goes Yeah, it basically says that um we still have to fix the last one that's connected. I think it's has to do with,
you know, he does the inspection with the um elevator. So, I think this is basically, you know, this is what causes it right now. And, you know, he probably just had another inspection because I think they have to inspect
them a couple times a year. I I don't know the answer to that, but I would assume Okay. >> I don't know how much the uh insurance is on the town hall, but my thought
would be is if you had a upgraded system, um you should get some kind of break on the insurance cost. Well, let me take this on. Um, let me start by going back through this
letter cuz I'm wondering if if somebody needs to design or at least put some kind of scope of work together that all three firms can understand what it is we want
>> and it would satisfy what the fire department is asking for. I mean, I remember, you know, again, my buildings at UMass, there were many, many, many drawings that went with the fire alarm system installations.
Um, you know, this isn't just like, you know, call Mr. Gutter. This is a lot more sophisticated stuff. >> And the and the other side of this, the other side of the coin is Jeff is that, you know, the reuse committee might be changing some of these buildings. And at
least if we get, you know, we'll have to do this sooner than the I think the reuse, Stephen. I mean, they want this done and we can incorporate if downstairs is going to have two rooms, but you we you when you did the
initial inspection, Stephen, you wanted all the, you know, the smoke detectors in every room and all that. And I think this is just what Lenny wants is, you know, to know where the fire is. you know, he wants it, you know, the alarm to be able to si
transmitted to dispatch. Um, should be hooked up to the internet and all you just make it a modern system. >> Yeah, he wants an addressable system, which pretty freaking sophisticated. Okay.
>> Yeah, let me look into this. >> Okay, I appreciate it, Jeff. Well, >> then the last issue I want to know, my wife wants to know, is the is the state beach going to be open this year
>> or not? >> It is going to be open, but I think you have to walk a long way to get to it. >> You have to walk long way to get wet. >> Oh, yeah. I just took a I just took a walk on the east side of the lake. It's it's it's muddy. Real muddy. I didn't have my boots on. I'm gonna try it again
with my boots on. Uh but you can walk an awful, you know, I can walk all the way almost to the uh not to the boat ramp, but where the beavers come out and then I can go all the way down to um the first cove and
it's about 25 ft. And when I'm standing at the water's edge, the small island in front of my house I have to look up at. So, >> but you >> at the meeting last night,
>> Haley was talking about how um they they have a company that can do the repairs. Um and correct me if I'm wrong, Frank. Um, they're waiting to get a new trash rack, which apparently I know that that
that had been problematic since the last repair in 2008. And once they get that, then um they can do the their Concom submitt um and they think the trash rack, the new rack will
be arriving sometime in April. And it doesn't sound like the time needed to make the repairs necessary are that is that lengthy. So if everything goes smoothly,
I would say it sounds like maybe early summer um they'd be able to fill the lake. But what the engineers said because I went to that uh that meeting is it's not
up to us. It's up to the state and the dam authority because they have to say that this they're going to put a fabric in front of the uh a certain geothermal fabric in front of the dam to stop anything going
through and keep the pressure up against it. But what he he said was if they feel it's sufficient, they may leave the water up. He also said there's a possibility they're going to want the water dropped 3 ft like we do in the
winter for the summer. And I it sounded at the time the engineer said that's a strong possibility because I don't want to put any more pressure on this but I don't know what the new engineering the state has to sign off. There's just nothing given about, you know, when the water's
coming up until the the state says the dam is safe enough for right now and then you go to phase two, which is going to be more money than the uh oil tank. So this is uh Howard Kinder had this at another meeting and the top one is the
original rack and you can see at a slight angle and it was big bars and then when they did all that work uh they um
can't can't I can't can't blow it up for some reason. Oh, there it is. Oh, nope. They did all that. Uh, sorry about that. And they put in rebar. And this is what uh Walter Tibbitz has complained about
since because it catches everything. Um, and you see it's also not on a vertical. So, it's like a a stop. And you can't see in this picture, but that is uh 3/4 inch rebar. And it was green coated. So they thought
they'd do themselves a favor except for they cut each end and the epoxy rotted out and it thing rusted which made it rough and it caught everything and Walter Tibberts actually went down and cut some PVC pipe thinking that would
make it smooth to go again. Um yeah, this is that dam's a mess because the original contractor I think cheated um when he fixed it. Did everyone hear that story about at the meeting?
In this area, there was water going through. So, they put a big pipe in there and they were supposed to put concrete all around it. And it looks like, they can't tell till they open it up. It looks like they reached in real far and put some spray foam, stuffed the rest with styrofoam,
put some more spray foam, and did two inches of grout on top of that. And that's what's failed. And that's where the water's going through. And they know that because they saw the the engineer said he saw
uh the styrofoam. I'm assuming it's white uh styrofoam beads and everything floating in in that area uh where the water goes out from the uh damkeeper's house. >> Okay.
>> Okay. It's not like you're swimming this somewhere. Okay. >> No, I don't sound like I'm swimming this summer. Anyone have a pool? >> You can always go up to Fisk Pond. Uh, that gets warm though.
So, anyway, you can pass it on to the MS. >> Okay. >> So, does anyone have anything else? >> Oops. I have a couple small things. Um, >> awesome. When I was away, um I had a
communication with um Tim Puric and um this is related to the light outside the fire department. Um, and you know, I don't have a memory of what
we discussed, but he said that he didn't have a photo cuz he was taking photos as we went around of the light that's up under the sophet. So, you know, in his proposal, he talked about replacing the light
adjacent the door and um you know, with a motion sensor light, which the one that was there was not a motion sensor light. And it's quite possible that there was a discussion at that time that well, if that's a motion sensor light there, that would, you know, do the job.
So, I'm assuming that's what's been done. There were a few other things, you know, to do in the fire department and to be finished in the highway department and within the next week, I'll go up and check those things um and see how those
look. I also got an email while I was away related to the um grant application to repair the front entry porch at the Spear building.
And they need a number. You know, Anna was very helpful in providing, you know, she and I had a discussion of providing a range. Well, they don't want a range. They want a number. Uh and then on top of that they
want um they expect that there will be other sources of funding which I feel that if that's the case I mean I need to have a discussion with um
Pangello about this to get more information but that the building committee probably is going to need to offer you know to fund some of this um if we want to get a grant. So, I will uh
pursue that further um and get back to everybody on that. >> I appreciate that. Um, I'll try to have sit down with Haley and get our concrete numbers because
I didn't submit any numbers because we haven't spent anything in a while other than, you know, a little here and a little there with the torque and I didn't want them to I didn't want to submit another $40,000 um and have them say, "Oh, but you have 70 sitting here." >> Right.
>> Right. And so I also preface that with um we have some things coming up so we'll have to go through capital planning you know if we but other than that we want to keep our money going forward to maintain the buildings. So
>> do we have any update on that bath house at Lake Wyola? >> No. They wanted to know at one point could we use remember this Stephen could they use uh the roof we said the roof probably needed when they were doing the
same thing with the CS uh P money you does can we use the old uh the surplus roofing on that on that route to replace it and I looked into it after Stephen said it um the tools just to get that work start between 600 and go to $1,500
just to put that thing together, you know, um that commercial roof we used on the new library, >> plus you'd have to cut it all to fit, assuming there's enough, >> you know, the the uh roof that we did on
the damkeeper shed, um you know, which Russ Wilson helped out with, you know, he we took measurements and I forget the you know, the company that he's used for years for that. You give them the measurements and they supply exactly
what you need. It's almost like paint by numbers which makes it a lot easier to deal with. Yeah, Amherst Amherst Amherst uh farmer supply >> and I don't think that
the savings by trying to use the existing would uh be worth it because the amount of labor we'd have to put in. I mean those are thick panels. I mean cutting all that stuff and I mean let's put it
this way. I'm not interested in getting involved with that. >> No, I I agree with you. You know, what Russ did, you know, you give them the dimensions, >> they order it, it comes with a box of screws, the am, you know, >> y >> more than you need the top piece. >> Y,
>> put the slats across the top and you're done. And he did a phenomenal job on the damn keeper house you did, you guys did. So, it it, you know, it but it was it was done. So, there was no lab, you know, heavy labor involved. I agree with Plus, I think, you know, if
given the use of that shed, >> if it's not leaking, I don't see any reason to prematurely replace it. I mean, we have enough other things that >> state where they they could use help.
Um, >> I agree with you. I agree with you, Stephen. So, what I'm going to also try to do in the next few weeks, um, I'm in my pottery stage now, by the way. um that have firings coming up is
tweak our u building assessment um spreadsheet to have another page that just says everything that has a high priority, you know, copy and paste it into another page so
we can start looking at that and high giving that a hierarchy. Do you think that all makes sense? Um, I think that's a good idea. I mean, because, you know, we've I think one of the things I'm sort of uh learning is
there's always a fire to put out, but we have all these other things that are smoldering that, you know, just keep getting pushed to the back burner. And, um, setting up a priority priority list, which we sort of did.
>> Yeah. Um and we addressed a number of things. I mean like the electrical um stuff and you know the gutters. Um so we just need to I think do that again and um start working.
>> Yep. Sounds like a plan. >> Okay. Everyone's almost asleep. Anything else? >> Okay. Do I have a motion? So moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> Okay. Roll call vote.
>> Anyone who wants to start. >> Cook eye. >> I deli. >> Parker. I >> And McIny. Thank you very much. Frank, I just wanted to say thanks for all your work, man. I really appreciate it. >> Yeah. Thank you.
>> Oh, I got I got one other thing. We don't get any information on that that highway sign thing that we're supposed to do a foundation for. >> Oh, the um >> sign board.
>> Henry Getty's has not brought that up. >> So, I don't even know if they have gotten it back yet. >> Okay. >> I saw him last night. I should have asked him where it is. If it's still in La La Land in Williamsburg. Yeah. So, >> I'll I'll see him next uh Thursday at
the reuse committee meeting and I'll I'll ask him. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you all. >> Okay. >> All right, Frank. So, we'll get um information about the the Zoom link for Monday. Yep. Okay. Thank you all. Bye. Bye.
Thank you. Bye. Bye.