It's good. Hey. Yep. 527 There's a little one that they ran out of paper. It's the same one except for that one is >> These are These are This is the whole spreadsheet? >> Yeah. >> What And then this is same thing. >> Yeah.
>> Enlarge. >> All right. You want whatever one you want. And then I had it on the screen yesterday. Figure out how to do that. >> Is anybody else coming? >> Not now. Hopefully. >> But we got enough for a quorum anyway,
right? >> Yes. >> So, can you update us when we start this for real? What are we with the oil tank? >> It's in It's on the agenda. >> And then also, um, do you remember when they're coming to
put in the fire alarms? >> Is this Is this uh >> Yesterday or the day before. It's all It's all in all the rooms upstairs. >> Okay. You know, um, white van was outside all day. Okay, but did they talk to the fire chief about
where he wants certain things? Yeah, cuz he says he wants the uh like the strobe and and the main panel in the back of the building. The theory being that when the fire truck arrives in,
of course they would see the front of the building as they're driving in, they see the side of the building as they're driving around, and then they would see the back of the building when they get out of their truck. But the only side they wouldn't see is over there. Um which would then give them an a
better idea how to first the builds. So Let's do this. Uh Can you talk to Haley and Mark? It's Hey Phil. >> Hi everybody. >> Hey. >> Hi Phil. >> I'm going to use You going to use this one? >> Uh
>> Rather have the small than the large. >> Oh, it's bigger. >> I'm going to try to share. So uh it's >> What's this? >> 5:30 going to begin the Buildings Committee Zoom hybrid meeting.
We have Jeff Brackenworth, Steven Dalmus, Phil Parker, Frank McGinn. Hopefully Anna will There she is. There's Anna. >> Hey. >> Hi. How's it going? >> Good.
>> Oh, were we supposed to meet in person again? Oops. >> Oops. Okay, that's okay. >> Okay. >> Um I'm going to wait for the other driver to come. >> It's too late. I already took my boots off. I'm done. I'm done.
>> You're done? >> Yeah. >> Um We're going to forgo the minutes cuz I didn't send them to you yet. On item one. Is that the right word, forgo? Cuz I forgot.
>> Cancel. >> Yeah. >> That's the fancy word for it. >> Yeah. >> Um I was at the LWAC select board meeting the other day. And that fan, no one could hear.
So, I put that on the agenda to have the committee okay you plug that air freshener thing in, the air exchanger in, you plug it in in the back. And unplug it for whenever. To have it put on a timer cuz it's on 24/7. It doesn't need to be.
>> Are we talking the octopus? >> The octopus, yeah. And then they can also, if they do it right, they can just hit a button to turn it off. And then next morning it will set go back on. Does that sound like a plan a good idea? Cuz they they're going to be it
they can't hear anymore cuz they uh >> All right. Um well, I did a while back, I can't remember who I showed, but I showed someone a circuit breaker to turn to turn it off.
>> Well, what I'm going to do well See, Brendan is not always here. He comes and goes home and get does the remote, but maybe before he leaves he can turn it off on the select board. >> I can um I'm going to be at the uh
library in the morning to uh be there when the Royal Steam comes to change the filters. And maybe I could stop up here afterwards and identify it, show it to
Brennan. >> It Is that thing only providing air into this space? Into that space, too? >> I think it's in in the two spaces. >> Did we ever replace the filter? >> Um I haven't checked it since I um
It probably hasn't been I mean it was the wrong size. I'm here need two 1-in or 2-in. >> Okay. >> I mean if somebody properly redid the duct work it would probably reduce the noise quite a bit.
>> Oh, if it was a on the hit on top like that? >> Well, you're not supposed to do a 180° turn right out of the unit. Um you know, up on top it's partially crushed. I mean there are a number of things wrong with with the way the duct
work is done. Those are two that I remember. Might be in the um Might be in here somewhere. >> Uh brief updates. Uh the elementary school 2 weeks ago supposedly they removed the
final booms that were out left over. Weren't removed when they took everything away. Um I asked Sam from Titan Bond to notify me so I could meet him cuz I wanted to make sure he took the one out
of the vault where the pump is cuz it's saturated. We can't throw it away. And I never got back and I don't know if I haven't been down there to see if it's going, but I supposedly with going, so I haven't know if he did the
fault and Haley was going to call them. On that note, um Royal Steam, I know it was bad job to do. Not bad, it was a shitty job. Um they never got back to me on how to take that pump out and seal it up.
The bad dead pump that has a seal on it, so I don't probably don't they don't want it or it's tough. I don't know what the problem is, but um I thought I'd ask and is Northeast, is that the name? >> Oh, Western Mass.
>> Western Mass, yeah. Northeast, Western Mass. >> Yeah, it's it's like that's the same. If you keep going around the globe, they'll touch again, you know, with Northeast and Southwest and or whatever. Maybe not quite. >> Because I found out Mia, our insurance
company, wants an update. All right, we'll say it's in the work and everything is slow, so we have to get that done. It's just I think take the pump out cuz that's where the seal is right at right around where that seal is. Seal off that second line cuz it's that
pump hasn't worked in years. >> Okay, so let's go back over this. So, we improved that tank doesn't leak. And everybody's satisfied that the tank doesn't So, the leak, we know we think it is
where. >> In those the line coming in, the second line coming into the backup pump that has never worked or hasn't worked. It's it's the old pump to the right. Um he said the seal on that unit
cuz it had but then the pump had pressure on. So, capping that, you know, it and they turned the lever off so no oil's going in. We have to have someone take that apart. >> So that's where they think the water is coming
that's getting into the tank? >> No, we have no that's a that's a mystery on the tank. So everyone I don't know if you guys remember Phil you might not have been there when the insurance company brought the same people that we did the pressure test and they found 2
more inches of water in the tank after it been polished and we have a report saying there was no more water in it. So that's August thing is $6,000. Um What? It did not come in from the vent cuz the vent has a 5-gallon bucket on top of it
and there's no way goes up and down. Um I don't know how it's getting in there. If they they know it's still we know it's still cuz they tested it twice. I you know I I'm lost for words you know. Are we
getting delivered water? >> Yeah. >> You're right. I you know I just you know how else do you get water in a tank if it's sealed? And it's not we haven't had a lot of rain so it's not like the the covers that you put this in or this high off
the ground so those things don't need you know it's not filling up where you the or back valve the four valves are that they use when they fill in. >> A question just quick question when you say 2 inches of water how much how many
gallons would that roughly be? >> I can get back to you on that uh cuz there's a 10,000-gallon tank on that angle and they told us how much in the report. I can try to find it. >> All right. I mean that's more for just trying to get a perspective. I mean it's not an urgent question.
>> Last last year was it 2 inches or 3 inches? >> It was 2 inches. >> I think he said 2 inches again. That's what bothered me. >> Uh uh This is uh >> a never-ending problem here. >> Has there been any deep discussion uh
about putting in an above ground tank, abandoning that? >> What we're here for. >> Yes. Well, I It's a It is a discussion. Um >> With who? >> Well, >> They They
>> I asked him like, is there Does North Pole has a building, maybe? >> No. It's We're the only one in charge. We're in charge of the building committee, and has there been discussion uh Capital Planning and the School Committee. I think they've talked about it.
I don't know. So, I think that's you know, it's in the It's something that should be done. The other thing I've been with Michael De Tierra on the ground source heat. >> Right. >> And I think we'll find out this week if we get big grant money. If we don't we
didn't get it. >> No, we won't find out this week. >> Oh, really? When do we hear? >> Well, regardless regardless of what kind of quote upgrade >> Right. >> whether it's ground source or just air-to-air heat pumps, there's always going to be a
fossil fuel backup. >> Right. You said that last. >> Yeah. And from um our meeting with Michael >> So, >> he had talked to a Wile E. Coyote. >> Wile E. Coyote.
>> Wile E. >> Wile E. >> W Y L or however you pronounce it. >> Who um is associated with the ground source system that's being put in at Northampton High School.
And one of the first things he asked Michael was, do you air condition the building this in the summer? And they don't. I mean, you know, maybe a tiny bit. So, and he right away said, "Well, then that's really not going to work because you're
not putting heat back into the ground. You're not recharging the ground with heat." So, um I think it's unlikely that that would be the way to go. But, I have
But, even with that, you know, that were air-to-air heat pumps. You're going to need a backup. So, my thought is should pursue the new tank, above-ground tank.
And see what the various costs are. I mean, can we do a 5,000-gallon tank? And um and and pursue that because it's obviously whatever improvements are going to happen, it's going to take a while.
And um you know, if the insurance company wants the alarm system, didn't you say it was 25,000? >> That's what I was told. I haven't >> Yeah, 25,000 and what? 6,000 uh for the for the water, get the water
out. And if nobody knows, that's 6,000 every year and you know, they're just >> Yeah, no, I I agree with you. We could start the wheel moving on that. >> Yeah, we got to have options. I think we're just um
we're at the point where we're just kind of throwing good money after bad and um if nothing else, people need to know, you know, what are the options? >> So, Com-Tank who polished the last fuel is a distributor and
fixer of the alarm system. So, I'll give them a call tomorrow. Got that in motion. Then ask them who I'm to start one to come and look at it and see how much it cost to fix the alarm system because if it's
over a certain amount we're going to have to need three bids, right? >> Well, I don't know. It would be maintenance. A lot of times if it's a maintenance item don't need bid. But again, I think Haley would be able to answer that. >> Yeah.
>> Does this company also install tanks? >> I'm going to ask that question. They do a lot of everything. The only thing I worry about is I didn't know how municipalities pay them.
They didn't get paid for 6 months. And I was constantly getting calls. >> I shouldn't I sent him a bill too. >> They did. Yeah. And everything was here. It just didn't go through the system. >> Oh. I think it got lost at one point and >> idea what the system is.
>> Yeah. I mean I know it takes a while, but that sounds like there was a little long. >> Somebody dropped the ball. >> Yes. I hope they'll do business with us. >> Yeah. But what now you're saying the insurance company wants the alarm put back in? >> Wants the alarm working.
>> Yeah. Okay. >> And they want the tank the they want the that thing sealed permanently. >> What thing? >> The that line coming in that leak that you unit that leak just put the seal or replace the motor and not
I don't see why we we would replace the motor. It hasn't worked in years. So, they haven't used the backup system. >> Wasn't it I'm sorry. Just going back a couple meetings. Wasn't there some something we had to do before we start reinvesting money in all
these alarm systems when there's like tests like drawing groundwater tests or something? >> Yeah. It's they they we they did the ground work test. Titan bomb came in and someone came in and did the drilling. >> Mhm. Yeah.
>> And they and we're clean all over. So, that's >> Okay. There's some good news. >> Yeah, so that was a that positive news. Um it's really neat how they do it. They have this hydraulic thing. They push the thing down X amount of feet to the water table and then they take it out and it comes out of tube
about 2 in wide hard plastic and then Sam cuts it down, takes samples out every feet, puts them in bags, and sticks machine in. Blows air out and sucks it out and any hydrocarbons are there, it goes off.
And he showed me. There's nothing in the one we looked at, but they had They were on there I get the second with first one's uh It was interesting to see. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> At the moment, nobody's scheduled to
take out those sections. Right. I kept on asking Royal Steam. And I kept on calling and it just didn't go through and I you know, it's tough to get a crappy job right off the bat.
And it's not a easy area to work in. >> Okay. >> So, that's that. The other update, the um school committee complain wants the sidewalks fixed.
And they were allotted $24,000. I forget where that came from. And their bid came in a lot higher. And then Melissa Makepeace O'Neal says, "Well, well, why can't the highway department do it?" And they'll do it under 24,000 and
they'll dig it all up and prep it. So, there's areas that a hand with the the area to the kitchen area is all broken up and that's where the kids that the uh preschool and one age kids go in that in and out that a lot. There's a
couple of handicap ramp that are are done. They They just want to clean that up and we said that if we're going to do ground sauce or in the future they're going to redo that whole area. Be cheaper just to do asphalt real quick
and it's going to be nice and smooth and it lasts several years and it's cheap to dig up. So, that's where we are in that. Okay. >> And is that all of the sidewalks like around the parking lot area or or what's the >> I think it's I think it's over various places around.
>> Okay. Is it like section by section? Like they're just replacing a section cuz it's cracked or shifted but like not Okay. >> Not the whole thing. And the ones that by the kitchen door um that was done by the a bunch of people that volunteered.
>> Okay. I'm just thinking there's such like strict rules with ADA and like how much variance you can have if there's any steps like the nosings. Is that anything or is it really not to that level?
>> There is one. There is one uh I think there's one ADA ramp. They don't like those little bricks, too. That was another thing. I couldn't come both times they did service. I was out of town. Uh I
I'm trying to share the screen. I've never done this before. Hopefully I'll be able to do it. Um We have I can't This is all new to me. Know that Melissa does disappointed. One second. I'm sorry.
Screen light trick. Hold on. Sorry about this. Uh Brendan said it was very easy. He plugged the computer into and you just hit the button. I'm going to screen this. In the past
I can't share this. I'm just going to take the computer up and show it to the Okay. Uh Haley would like us to come up with He's working on this field. See that? >> Okay. >> I think we had we someone wrote this up.
I don't remember it or maybe Haley did. Some type of form that the select board when maintenance needs to be done even if it's an emergency it gets done but we're followed up with it or if something's put in or request to
um change something and stuff like that. You see? We'd like it all to flow through us because other things happen I think. In the past they want us put it all in one basket.
Um What's that form? I don't know where I can't remember where we got this one. Facilities maintenance. I thought Phil helped us I guess but you had the facilities maintenance form at your last place or one of your places didn't you?
Or do you talk to them? >> I I talked about it. I didn't have a form. I I was I talked about it. It was facilities facilities maintenance um uh the maintenance require work order request system is that what you're talking about? Yeah. Yeah.
>> Okay. >> And it was a it was a home grown system. They you know the the the computer department programmed it themselves. They made it. It was so it wasn't you know a commercial system that I could point to that we can get
unfortunately. >> So, the idea being anybody any of the people in the buildings can fill out this form electronically. >> manual >> I don't know. >> That's That's the old thing, right? You know it was
>> I think some people would like the manual option and other people would like one so I think we'll probably come up with a manual and and have it flow through the town administrator so everything gets
divvied out. I just shared it with you guys in your email. >> Okay. >> priorities and try to do this. All right, one more thing. Be be to have on the screen for all of us to see. When I plugged this in, it was on the
screen. I don't know why it's Listen. You know, I used to be in IT. I used to be really good at all this stuff. >> What happened? >> You know, mine went >> kidding. >> Mine went washing everything else clear.
>> You get that my response >> Yes. >> regarding that roof money. >> Yeah, we can talk about that. It's just that's another weird thing. Um Can't do this cuz I really wanted to do that. >> It seems like
you know, a decent enough form. >> Um okay. >> My my feedback in it is um You just got to make sure that things are moving quickly. Otherwise, the people that are make filling these things out get frustrated if things you know, just
pile up in somebody's inbox or if if it's a manual thing, you know, that'll slow things down. I would I would think you know, doing it electronically would be a lot quicker. And um And people can save it and whatever and modify it
whatever. And you know, because time the time thing the time factor really becomes an issue for the end user if the you know, things you know, pile up or they slow down or they don't get nothing anything is enacted on, so they just need to be
you know, they need to be aware that things are being looked at or you know, that you know, the status is that they're reviewing it or somebody's going to go to it next week or whatever so that there's some sort of a feed feedback loop.
>> And I I know Haley and Brendan and hopefully the new I don't know what's involved, the new town clerk are really good at doing those things and they can put it on the website or something like that. Thank you.
Okay, we're going to do something fun here. How's that? >> There you go. >> You don't need to see everybody's face. >> No. I can change that, too. >> Yeah. >> Which brings us to this, budget.
>> Steven's turning all the fans off for us. >> Okay, so I saw you have in there under number three last one was Knox Box. Oh, I apologize. Yes. So I talked to Lenny. Lenny didn't know I ordered them because
he was waiting for July 1st for the new calendar year so his budget and I looked right at him and I said, "This is the building's Lenny budget." And he goes, "Well, you should go and try to alarm and I've done it once and I'll do it with him another time. But, citizens
alarm people are putting one in for us on this one as well. They're putting a Knox Box on this building as part of their contract contract. So, this building's going to get done. So, that's a good thing. >> Cool.
How are they getting the Knox Box? >> I they they they had a very difficult time and get to use the right account. They finally ordered it online and I I think I have to do with Haley cuz I think if I don't think they bill you, I think you pay with a credit card. I
don't have a town credit card yet, you know, maybe down the road, but So, it was I was interesting that they're putting one on here and they should consult with someone or it you should consult with where Lenny was. Right. He they he's been working with him so.
>> Yeah, I would imagine he wants it in the back. That's where he wants the panel. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, the next thing we were going to do is go over the >> All right, we're going >> assessments and try to come up with some
high priority lists. Is that like 10 priority you want to What was your your goal? You want to you mentioned that you wanted to go over the list and look at the priorities. >> Well, you know, in looking at what you printed out remember last month
um we talked and we made changes things like related to the gutters. >> Yep. >> And that's not in here. >> I am sorry. It's going to be up there. I saved it on my thumb drive and I couldn't find it.
I found it in another folder, so this is before the change I printed before the changes. >> Okay, well, just uh because I'm pretty certain I put in um all the electrical stuff which isn't showing up either. >> Okay, hold on. Uh
Is that for that? >> Um 9.2. L. >> So, I apologize if that's not on your sheet. >> Okay. >> But I This is the actual live copy of my computer that's in our docs that we all share. >> Okay. >> And
>> Oh, I see. So, you're You have to >> Yeah, I get kicked off the system with my computer. I used to be able to print here but my computer no one knows how to get me back on and I have an app that I can print stuff on, but it takes a 10 hours to just go through it all and so I brought my thumb drive in and I
dragged current one in, but I think it went to a different folder and I found this one. Yeah. >> Okay, so we'll go back to page one. Okay. So, 1.3 has been dealt with, right? >> Yeah.
>> Yep. So, Okay. So, 1.4 >> It's basically about the clogged underground leader. Yeah, by the back door. Remember uh Steve Sullivan tried
making what they had and he felt like there were like two elbows close together. So, I don't know if that's >> So, do we know if that's working? >> I don't think it is. I think it's still clogged. >> You think it's still clogged? I mean, we'd have to do a water test, but >> Thank god we
uh haven't had that much rain. It's drought. >> But nobody's really complaining, I guess, about water coming in. >> No. No, so that's the other thing. So, that's another big thing. >> So, do we want to change it from priority high to priority
higher? >> So, priority low? >> I like monitor better. >> You think you're okay >> Let's Let somebody fill out that pending form you just created. >> Um well, I mean, I guess
I mean, it would be nice if it works. >> Yeah. >> But since it doesn't work, the water just goes parking area. It's not coming into the building. >> Not coming into the building? >> So, parking area gets wet anyway. I would do priority low.
>> One is chimney brick. >> So, when Becky was still town administrator, she would find water leaking down the chimney, one of the walls in her office, in the winter.
>> Mhm. >> And but not any other time. And the one possibility that I could think of is that they have a newer boiler at the Terrace, and newer equipment tends to be more
energy efficient. Um you know, it's a much smaller volume of water, so basically, you're not having to burn as much fuel, you're not throwing as much exhaust into the chimney. If both the chimney flue is
too big for the new boiler, the combustion byproducts going to be cooling very quickly and they'll condense. And in my line, that makes the most sense, but you'd have to have a chimney sweep
come in and do a fiber optic inspection. They Now, haven't heard anything about leakage. >> This winter? >> This winter. Well, maybe not last winter. >> And I know when I I was doing the energy audit, one of the HVAC
people from Pittsfield came in up at the office, but he said this thing when it was installed it had a sleeve. >> Right. Yeah, that's really >> sleeve out and other don't use the old or flue. And I don't know if there is a sleeve in.
>> I doubt it. When I was up on the roof, I mean, you know, that's the other thing. There's a stainless cap on the chimney, which practically covers the higher thing, the whole thing. So, you know, the top isn't getting crowned, it's not getting saturated and water's
not going down the flue liner. And the flashing around the chimney looked fine. Plus, if it was rain water, um logically, it ought to leak near railing.
>> Right. >> And this winter, we had a lot of snow. So, you know, I mean, it should the flashing should work the same way. So, I don't think it's it's a something that's been resolved and
you had a chimney sweep do a camera inspection. Then you know what's going on. Um but given that I think Jamrock installed new boiler, I wouldn't expect that they
put a proper size flue pipe in there. Yeah, you run a stainless liner. They would do correct size. >> So would a chimney sweep Rest take a taste of them and put or whatever. >> Um well, and you know, I don't know what
chimney sweeps knowledge or here but Maryland and Baltimore, chimney sweeps uh are able to do a sizing. So you'd have to ask them. >> But I gave Becky the name of
chimney sweep. I don't know if she ever followed up or not. >> I had a Well, when I moved into my house, I had chimneys. They wanted to put up a $450 stainless liner on the lake and all that.
And I went and spent $45 on equipment and I did it myself. So >> Yeah. Yeah, he's getting >> Yeah, and sealed everything and I siliconed everything that was things. Well, someone wanted to Or is it to get a chimney sweep?
Or is this a priority high still? Or do you want to put priority lower monitor till someone complains about the water leak? >> Well, I guess I'd put priority low. Somebody complains. >> How much water
I mean, the way Becky talked, there there was tons of water and it damaged stuff in her office. Is that true? >> Um I don't I don't know the answer to that. >> Okay. It wasn't melted melting snow, was it? >> No. >> Okay.
>> I think Steven's theory is what it probably was. >> Yeah. >> It dripped in and stained this the roof and all that. There seems to I was here twice today. Down hall wants to copy the wrong materials.
I want to remind myself to make sure they unlock the door. Um and I noticed the cladding front cladding and I don't know that's what we're on now. >> On 2.1 2.1. >> And I think it's rotting. The wood on the
the right of the door. >> Um have to look at it. Hasn't been looked at till since April 23. I was actually thinking there might be some value in walking around doing somewhat of a cursory
reinspection. >> Is the outside of this place? >> Well, you know, all the buildings. >> Oh, okay. >> We could do that. Just go here go keep things that are priority. I'll print another copy with notes on it.
We go building by building. >> Yeah. And you can do I mean the smaller paper would be fine. >> I couldn't find any. That's why we did and I didn't want to do it on a letterhead because it would have been really small.
>> I'll keep 2.1 in priority. >> Yeah, and 2.2. >> Yep. >> This is another one the porches on either side of the building. Um >> Well, the thing uh we can um put
down uh you know, gutters if gutters were installed there, so whatever the What was the date of the uh I would just put gutters installed and I'd have the date. Go back to the roof section. You can use the same date.
Here you go. 5 20 26. >> So, the leave this as a low priority for now? >> Part 2.6? >> No, because of the rot and all. >> Yeah, I would leave it high. >> I'll leave it high. >> This could also be one of those
me and Russ things. >> Pardon? >> This could be one of those you, me, and Russ. >> Oh, yeah. >> Person yes, person no. Tape record. Okay. Okay, foundation gradings. >> Part about 3.5. What What did you put Okay, so you took
care of that. >> Yeah, it's Steven was very good. He went in and uh >> Okay. >> It was in I don't know if Didn't you get your town annual town meeting book? It was a beautiful pictures I put in that for our report. That was in there. >> Okay. >> Where do we get a copy?
>> Seriously? >> You didn't get one? Oh, wait. They had a box at town meeting. I didn't I was away at town meeting, but they're upstairs. I boxes of them, so >> We get to new color. Well, and 3.8 I don't think that's ever going to
change. >> Yep. We put these as low low priority and then have a shopping list or a punch list the highway department >> And when they do different things around they need some extra time or
>> Well, the problem with correcting the grading along the retaining walls, top of the retaining walls is you'd have to rebel everything. >> Yeah. >> And that's not going to happen. >> Raise Raise the height of the retaining wall.
Yeah. >> So, monitor. >> Well, >> or 3.7 >> 3.8 And there's not much that's >> Monitor. >> Yeah, I'd put for 3.7 monitor
3.8 monitor. Well, on the boiler, you know, they they a couple of things were corrected, but um the boiler still maintains temperature regardless of outside temperature. It should. You know, there's a there's a sensor
supposed to control its operation depending on the outside temp. You know, I still still running Well, I've educated him. And so, the boiler is turned off all summer. But, the problem is in the
fall and spring when one day you need heat, the next day don't. They won't stay in >> I'll That's right. Call Western and that'll Western the uh >> Western Mass Heating
>> Western Mass Heating, okay. >> But, the Western construction >> No, Western Mass cuz they also do plumbing. >> Yeah. No, Western Mass. >> And then uh and and Anna's big fan. >> Yeah. I like them. I did I work a lot with I work a lot with them.
>> I don't They put in when they were still What was their previous name, Anna? >> Um it was MJ Moran and then they they kind of split. Um so, some of the workers stayed with MJ, they do mostly commercial and other workers went with um Western Mass, which is more residential, but they still do
commercial work, too. >> But, they when they were Moran, they they put our they put our mini splits in. >> And you were happy with them? >> Although, they also did the HRV and they
left out a couple couple of duct runs. >> Oh. >> Which they came back and put in when I pointed it out to them. >> So, uh we'll keep this priority high and when we do a walk around with them, we can ask them to
see what they can do about that. >> Well, you know, on uh 6.2, we have it as priority low, but I think that ought to be a priority high because the noise from the ducting and when you have Western Mass
come through might ask them about >> Price to fix it to properly >> Yeah, to properly to properly do Yeah, to properly put it in. I mean, you might have to take the thing down and and relocate it to be able to deal with the ducting properly.
>> I think we clean it outdoors. And then Now. Okay, so we'll keep both those high and You got to replace the filter. These days in this week I'll find a way to go in and look at that. Corrosion noted. >> Where are we?
>> 8.1 >> Yeah, the key thing was the seepage leak, but it's been going on Maybe it's sealed itself. Still in the utility room. >> I think we can do with the plumbing aspects if we bring them through and ask them what to do on various things and
see if they contract to service this. Um We can give a punch list and things that little things to do every time they come here. We'll leave that high. We're on electric.
Right. Oh, we >> That was That's basically that there's still number of fluorescents. It's not all LED. >> All right. But we got that report or that proposal from the energy Right. guys
come through with replace the lighting. What are we with that? >> That we can discuss again. Well, I think waiting Well, we we'd have to there's no plan for it, right? I mean >> Right. >> It was basically we can do all this.
This is what it's cost and you might and and as I remember, you know, it's like it's the total cost is I'll just throw out $18,000 and you can get a rebate of 1,200 and we pay the rest.
>> Okay. And we but over 5 years we'll get some of that back. Okay. >> Well, the lighting was one of the things. I remember Phil commenting on it, I think. Lighting is one of the things that did have a reasonable payback. Everything else was like 20 and 30 years.
>> Yeah. Why don't you keep a priority high and when we get done with some of the other stuff here maybe we'll go back to that. And I'll also mention to Haley to go we're supposed to
we're supposed to put our sound absorbing stuff here. >> Yeah, this is what they did. >> No, no, this this is what >> Where did they move the panels? Cuz they were stacked >> Yeah. >> They were stacked on that >> Yeah, so that Maybe we'll have a a party some Saturday
put some up for over this area because this is where the people can't hear because of all the sound that's around. >> Well, when when there was that large meeting >> Yeah. >> select board L-WAC um people that were talking in the
back, you know, I was zooming in uh it was very hard to understand. The people at the table, yeah, it was fine. Uh, so I think till they improve the acoustics, they ought to there's a
large number of people individuals either need to be given a handheld mic or they need to come >> I think that's the next I think you guys have Yeah, but yeah, so Smoke detectors is How long have we already had them, right? They
>> Have they Have they done it? Huh? Cool. And sound monitoring, yep, and need to add that uh need to add that you know a system
put a building building system. You know, that 11 20 25 is just for the smoke and CO detector I put in the boiler room. All replaced. Right? What they did they replaced everything
you know with the uh wireless. Why don't you put And it's monitored, right? >> Mhm. >> Yeah, well. >> Why don't you put wire wireless monitored system >> phone >> installed?
>> We did more than just replace. >> Right. >> We added the system. >> I think it's t o r monitored. turd >> Does it underline that talking? Okay.
>> Why don't you put throughout? building >> Back to this town hall. We can go back to number or we leave town hall, I guess. >> What do you want to go back to? >> Let's just um Can you go back? Let's
scroll down. Let's see what what we left as pink. But here's here's the walls, the outside of the building, right? Okay. >> But in the K torches torches >> Yeah. the
blue >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And that's also uh That's also about the boiler not shutting off when it's not needed. Right. No automatic.
>> And the ducting in the other room, the octopus. >> Right. >> Copper lines. Right. That's something we have to have the plumber look at. Lighting. >> Yep. >> I'll put it in. >> Okay.
>> Wait a minute. Go back to uh the smoke detectors. Um Well, I guess we can can leave that. Sometimes we change in comment, but we've got to be >> Can we get rid of the 11 2025?
>> No, I'd leave that. Because that's that's still in there. >> Yeah, but I'll take I think they're putting in a new smoke detector. >> I'd have to look. >> We'll look and then we can take it out. And moving along, the elementary school.
4.3 we we will be adjusting along with 4.9. >> What's 4.9? >> The beta route. It's the name of the system. >> So, is that Is that the >> That's a monitor box system. Yeah, it's a monitoring system.
>> But we'll have to plan. >> Do you want to go back to 3.1 for a sec? >> Yep. >> Cuz apparently that's They're seeing that the school is seeing the uh concrete walks as
an issue. So. Maybe there was snow and maybe that's why I have So maybe that should be uh priority. My priority. >> And then we'll see what happens after they do if they will ask and we'll do
walk around and see if if everything's okay. We take it off the list till they redo the parking. Okay. Same line. I mean Yeah, it's not high priority work. F. Wood trusses.
Slope roof sections. >> It's not the trusses, it's the uh the fire the fire break the sheetrock firewall that somebody I mean that'd be an easy easy fix to
them. >> Nice. >> 5.1 is that that's been changed. >> Yep. Monitor. >> No, that I Yeah, cuz you can see the history. It needed to be cleaned.
>> The one put that infant. Uh highway department. How do you spell Corgan? >> C O R R U C O R R U >> I don't think it's C O R Which one gets which O gets to you?
>> The second one I believe. C O R R U >> U >> C O R R U >> All right. I have it incorrect spelled. But it's still very good. I can change it. Oh. So You made some temporary repairs so it's
it's not leaking anymore? >> No, it's I'll just say it Well, after the repairs were made, I went and checked a couple times. This goes back to probably 23 and say it dripped less. So, that'll be something to look at
again. >> What I'm wondering is this really a priority high or is priority? I mean, can somebody give me a rundown? What is leaking? >> Uh well, it's it's on into the salt areas which I don't
>> Oh, okay. >> really know. They can talk talk with Dave >> It's into the high end. Oh, okay. All right, keep me in the loop on that one. >> Gutters and downspouts in progress. >> Yeah, that's something. >> Um well, not till actually 1.5 should
become a priority high because that's that has to be done before we can deal with the gutter. >> I did bump into was is the new highway guy, Dave David? >> Yeah. >> I bumped into him this morning at Hemshaw
and I asked him what happened, but he he said it was before his time. So, I can't get anybody to admit hitting it with a bucket, but I think that was his theory as well. So, I I decided two theories on that add up to one, you Whatever.
One fact. >> Rebuilds high um TV antenna >> Um I'd have to look and see if anybody took it down, but if it hasn't been, it definitely ought to be taken down before lightning hits it.
>> Uh the walls. >> Thinking 2.1 could and 2.2 could probably be priority low. But, 2.5 that's the salt shed doors. >> Yes. >> That needs to go to high.
>> Yeah. >> What was done with that Steve in this one? >> 2.1 and 2.2 priority low. >> Yeah. >> And 2.5 priority high. >> Uh heating and smoke detectors.
>> Well, then we have that uh estimate. >> Yeah, so we have to vote on that. Okay. So, now we uh I want to make a motion to accept the citizen security uh new installation
at the highway department for the smoke. >> That was Was that between 2 and 3,000? >> Yeah. Make a motion we accept citizen security's price to upgrade the
fire protection system at the building. >> I'll second that. >> Uh roll call vote. >> Okay. >> Yeah, I must I. >> Who's there? >> Burker, I. >> I can move forward.
>> Again, I. Thank you all. And I'll get that in motion with Bailey. >> You want to pass? Go back to 9.3. Okay, so that's been correct. >> Okay. >> Do you think the electric heating is on? Same thing.
>> Um that that can be um >> monitor. >> Well, what I would what I would do is well, I changed the monitor and then under history put uh code issues corrected. >> Okay. Off to the fire department.
Garage doors door openers. What's brush number one or brush number two? >> Wait, let me get to that. You already do 1.3? >> And 1.3 you you fixed, remember? >> Now, why is there a siding before and after?
That's that's probably where we >> Oh, no. This is the picture. The I I we we >> Yeah, the picture probably goes uh under siding where we did the siding repairs. Not with the picture. >> okay. That.
>> So, I see. The original comment included that there was this rotten decay and because there's no gutters, so I think you can leave that. >> Garage door openers, what is a brush one and brush two? >> Um, that's that's the the bay, you know.
Um, they're different bays, so That's That's what I was told they're referred to by Len. >> Okay. So, keep those high. >> Yes. I mean, go back. Let me just see that. Yeah.
>> Fencing. Yeah, he doesn't want chain link. He wants solid fence. I He's I'm only See inside there. Face board. Negative things.
But, this is much more than as I found out as I got involved with this thing. It's much more complex than just a fence. >> Right. >> There's a propane tank. It's too close to the generator. It may code.
It's too close to the building. So, and he was supposed to also make a decision on whether or not he could use the the well that's there. >> Fill the trucks. >> Yeah, he was talking about
filling their trucks from wells. Which would then affect how the fence works. >> Right. >> I could also ask the gas company we could move the tank to the other side of the parking lot and
we'd have the highway department dig a hole for the line. >> Well, yeah, that's one solution or just move the freaking tank 10 ft away from the building. >> Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's supposed to be 10 ft away and
it's like eight. >> And how far from the generator? Didn't you say it was too close to the generator? >> It's supposed to be the same distance. >> So, 10 and 10? >> Yeah. But, I kind of need him to make some suggestions on
how he wants to change or the fence supposed to work, so. I didn't think it was a highest priority. >> So, the uh mini splits priority high. I think once we get
maintenance person, we can get one of those isn't working. Okay. >> One isn't working and when I did the inspection, the uh delta T, temperature differential, was quite high. And I don't know if that was ever
checked. >> I think we can put that on uh future maintenance. The uh HVAC company and replace But, the uh hoses are perfectly wrapped, right?
So far, some fool did that. >> Yeah. >> Blower fan. >> Can you explain this? What the >> It's the exhaust fan inside. >> No, it's not the exhaust fan. The wall-mounted distribution unit for the mini split.
>> Oh. >> I can look back in there and see that the thing is just filthy. So, when you get dust and dirt build up on the fan coil sections, they sweat in summer. So, you've got
organic matter, the great place for mold. >> Yeah. Well, I'll ask what they did with that. Uh So, these two are most likely uh I mean, the running thing you just anyone go to Home Depot or buy a >> Yeah, I don't know if Lenny Lenny
mentioned that he the deal with that. This is 2023, but I can't tell you if it's been dealt with. >> A lot of these little things is that we had a Western, they also do plumbing.
So, be kind of like a punch list. Who's our money's on? >> I assume 9.3 is now monitored. >> Yes. >> Okay. And 9.5, I guess it got monitored. Old town hall. On 13.4
at the fire department. Great. Okay. My thoughts on old town hall is the historical whatever that is and historical commission something like that should apply for some CPC grants because that's this
if we want to keep some of this, you know, broader sections. Is that something we uh No, currently and step can do or is it above above your pay grade? >> Well, the things relate to the roof I
don't think we tried. I mean, I would I would start by seeing if the historic commission could uh you know, say use this to develop a request the money >> Mhm.
>> have somebody else do it. I mean, we've got We have a number of things that >> You come here I'm sure they could get their money and that would stain with all the exterior, correct? >> Yes, I'm going to find this building and high and dry.
Yes. Not a functioning building but we did upgrade the electrical. >> Uh-huh. >> So uh >> What do you got for 3.7? I don't know the 3.7. Interesting. >> I have to go back in history then.
That's the stretch. >> Well, it was the highway department did regrade. >> Yes. >> So 3.7 should be monitored and >> They filling that hole? Are they pushing? >> Uh-huh. Yeah. They did a little bit all around
the building but that depression that I think was source of water. >> Mhm. I asked him to cut around minis. Make sure whoever's cutting minis is They haven't done it this year. It's filling up high so I can Smoke detectors.
We talking smoke detectors both or in the vault? Do you remember? It should be a thermometer set. I think so. Um >> Well, since there's there's no
no heating currently right now in the non-funded property. So, unless there was a a lightning strike or an electrical problem that created fire. Um I would
probably just have a I mean if I was going to put a smoke combination one in, I'd put it in the central space because that's where they have electrical like they have a dehumidifier that runs a lot of the time. Um in the uh vault
that's serviced by the minis. But, when that vault door is shut if a fire started there, unless you had a monitored system nobody's going to know about it. It's got one of those big bank
vault metal doors. So, >> But, can you put a smoke detector system in a non-heated building? >> Well, my thought is if you just had a smoke detector in the common space, just a battery
that maybe somebody would hear it. Or it's too late. >> Okay. Like who who Who would hear that? >> A neighbor. >> I think we can also ask citizens.
Or let I you what We'll ask Lenny. It's he's the fire chief. We'll let him make a decision. >> So, this has been dealt with. >> Yep. >> Yeah, I mean that would be something to revisit after we have some rain, but I
would put monitor. >> Okay. And then spear building. I think this we could leave everything as is till the the reuse is made it. >> Sure. >> That makes sense?
>> Yeah, just kind of roll down with What else What all do we have? We have a chimney. >> Yeah. >> The front porch. >> Yeah. >> Uh the front >> wood steps, you know, all that has to be done. >> You know, we put so the wood clapboard
But we we put it as anticipate future need to replace. I mean, there's a good bit of rot decay in that. >> Mhm. >> And some trim and So, it'd be easy to have two 2.1 and 2.2 as priority high. Like you say, when
depending on what was decided. >> And if they're going to renovate it, we can incorporate that a lot of this stuff into the renovation. bolts Fixtures would be the same thing. And the installation. mold That to leave to nothing.
That's still house number two. >> This is the one on the front of West Calvin Road. >> Yes. Uh-huh. The 1.5 and 2.2, those are both related. The area of the frame entry that's still the same.
And 2.7 also part of that needs to be the same. First building, change it. Explain it. Okay, good. So, that should be the first one lighting reversed. This is 626 exterior
wrapped and re-stained. So, this is this monitor now or No, well, actually 2.1, 2, 3, and 4. They'll be mine. The damn house. It has anything like priority. It's going to be replaced in the next
2 years anyway. Fine. They have to They They're going to have to replace They're going to have to fix the dam permanently in so many years. They They temporarily fixed the leak. They put They put a fabric across But, the dam committee in the future has
to do a They want to retire and study and which will be expensive. And then come up with a solution. They will come up with a solution. Okay, uh Elliot Park. Bathroom. That's the thing we looked at.
Yeah, I I gave it that. Elliot Park changing room. Outhouse, whatever you want. It's very interesting when they created the park. I went back and was looking at things for Lake Wyola and everything. When they created this park,
one of the things they approved was tearing it down. Now they're putting money in it. I'm going to wait. You know, Katherine Hilton got some money at town meeting. And I ballparked the money when she asked just over the square footage is
what we talked about. So, she's got money. So, that until it becomes till it's asked for, we can leave it as as is. Then we'll fix kind of like the old town hall. Okay. Okay, everyone comfortable with that?
And the fiber optic building is the only thing they fiber optic HVAC. Uh on the out the mini split on the outside. Uh one is not working. And Graham will not have Jamrod come
back and fix it. He doesn't want him in the building ever again. And so, that I think uh Oh. I'm going to put this priority high cuz the one AC unit is working. They do AC in that in the uh in that room. And the one AC is sufficient.
And >> There's no backup. >> It's a backup and all that. So, he said he's not worried about it, but that could be something on the punch list for a future HVAC. >> What happens if it goes out? >> Well, the alarm goes off. I think he
comes and opens the door. I don't know. It's a very neat room. I think I should share pictures with you. Um You ever want to look at it? I'll show it to any of us if you want to go in there. It's all a little contained. That's all we have for today, folks. All right.
>> I want to try to prioritize what we want to be doing. >> I think a lot of the priority was the plumbing, HVAC. Um >> I guess I'm coming away from overall town hall and highway department. >> Right.
>> I think that's where we'll have to be putting our efforts now. >> Well, that's where we're going to the highway department next. >> We're hired to be doing the highway department. Cute. >> I we'll keep these two buildings as a the focus.
Then, uh when we get a HVAC plumber maintenance, they we can start doling out the other things in the various rooms. You two okay with that online? >> Sure.
What's our What's our current uh bank account? Roughly, it's 70 less and the fire alarm. And for the fire No, uh no, it's uh two for the fire alarm cuz nine eight was covered. >> Oh, yeah. That's right. >> Uh and then
the other expense was uh >> That was probably the thing highway department fund. >> Yeah. >> Basically. >> I think we have 500. I know it comes out to us. >> Let's say 5,000. Let's say that. >> So, I think we're roughly
and bio I think we're under low 60s. I'll ask Al again. I don't I'll tell you all in the meeting. >> Okay. >> So, I don't know if I don't know if I had unanticipated business, but probably didn't. Um we
don't need to discuss that in here. Um when they had openings on the finance committee I told Nettie that someone on the buildings committee would be on it. I gave them all your names. I don't know if she called you. >> Oh, I was approached.
>> Okay. >> But I'm not going to >> I know. I know I am. I just was appointed to you. >> You are? Yes. Crazy little >> I am. I am very crazy. Um but it it I thought it was very important for someone on the buildings committee to be
in the finance to advocate for the buildings. A lot of times things go aside. Um where all it's worth, my I went to work for my family after get after I got my MFA
and I got through two recessions and I was a liaison between the bank company as a and then my our accountants said I needed a title so I had to say chief financial officer I signed them.
As a bank wanted to liquidate us at one point. That's how bad that recession was. So I did a lot of numbers in my first job and I did a lot of building of a general ledger and basic systems like that and I like numbers and you know I like
spreadsheets. And I'm a glutton for punishment so I really like numbers. >> I hate them. I'm really good with numbers. >> So they didn't tell you all that. Um Anyone else have any business any more business? Right?
No. Sorry now our big I just my mind take away right now. What do with the spread school? >> We what? >> Yeah. >> With the oil tank issue with >> Make some calls. I'll call I'll I'll make some calls tomorrow and next week.
And get that ball rolling with a replacement tank. We wouldn't have to take it out of the ground right away. We'd have to drain it. >> Yeah if the tank hasn't leaked Right. So we should be able to just fill it with slurry.
Fill tank soon. >> Pardon? >> MassDEP probably has regulations. >> Yeah I'll I'll ask I'll ask contact them and we'll see what the options are because that's going to be a you know digging the tank out um without contamination is cheap.
It's still like 40 45,000 dollars. They the ball park people they gave me to take everything out take it away. So we'll get a figure on that and go to town meeting or special town meeting. But that doesn't have to be done if we have an above the ground tank.
Also until they replace that park >> Right. >> I can't put that just be walled in the parking lot job. Like yeah, thank you. >> Yeah, so we can do some roll that in. >> Okay. >> I work on the oils.
>> Yeah. That >> And it >> Mhm. >> Do you ever get involved with uh replacement commercial oil tanks? >> I have not. >> Would you like to? >> No,
I don't know. >> Would not. >> I was going to say >> Depends on when. I mean >> Yeah, I know. I >> I I I left the house more than 12 hours ago. I'm like cooked right now. >> Well, actually, do you have Do you have
a uh oil company that you uh like? >> Um I I guess I don't know I don't have anybody in particular. Um Yeah, cuz I'm not I'm not usually
working directly with the oil company. >> Right. >> I guess yeah, the closest I'm not really Nobody's doing new oil systems, so anything I'm doing now with oil is a homeowner's paying their own fuel bill. I I really can't think of a time I've worked recently work-wise with an oil company.
Um >> Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. Well, if she had, you know, as someone to call to ask for direction to somebody that did commercial tanks. >> Okay. >> You know, if she had a company that she
trusted and just to roll that >> Yeah, looking looking >> I can also Well, my I know it's a it would be recorded, which is fine. Robertson Springfield did it for so long. And out of the blue, and I don't know why,
it comes out of Albany. with mean the oil the oil yeah the oil and they all do service. I talked to Robert they do this type of service thing so they know who does in and out and probably does that. I can also talk to even
orange oil whatever that is. People over there. Garlic and arts but you know we can go that route but I don't know why the town cuz we pay for it goes through the school goes through the school budget I don't
They do a lot of things for that so I'm not sure. Anyway There's nothing else do we have a motion? >> I move that we end the meeting. >> Welcome. Roll call.
>> Cook I. >> Dalmasi. >> Magina. >> Rock and bush I. >> Thank you all. When's our next Oh that's when we ended it. Let's do it in uh You want to do the 12th and 19th
of August? >> I'm away the 12th. >> The 19th? >> The 19th I'm here. >> Then >> Yeah. >> 19th is good. >> Okay. All right. And is that I'm sorry I'm going to write this in my calendar are we doing it zoom or in person?
>> Yeah we'll do we'll do it we'll do it zoom. >> It's okay sorry I didn't get that memo this time. >> It's all good. Okay? Okay thank you all. >> All right thank you. >> Bye-bye. >> Bye. >> Thanks.