Hello. Hello. Hello. Everyone's on mute. Hi there. >> That's about you. >> I know. All good. I hope. Um. >> Um, let me see all my notes. Um, no. Okay, we'll skip it. All right.
>> It was Now, the computer decided to do a Zoom update. Don't know why. It does it every once in a while. And I wasn't even on the right Zoom. So, but no one else is coming. So, I don't know if anyone else is coming. Uh,
>> sorry. Do we have enough for a quorum? >> We do have enough forum. Um, >> I do know that uh because I uh was pestering Anna about some questions related to uh the MN Spear reuse project
as well as town hall. She's ve very busy. So, >> okay. >> Because I said to her, I said, "Well, I'll see you." I spoke to her yesterday morning for a bit. I said, "I'll see you tomorrow night." So, um, we'll see.
>> Okay. So, I'll call the meeting start at uh 5:39. Jeff Quack and Bush, Frank Mcin, and Steven Dalmas are here. Um, and away we go. Now, refresh my memory because I've had
way too much going on in my life right now. Did I send the minutes out? >> No. >> Okay, >> good. We'll skip it and do it next time. That was number one. Skip. I know I had looked them up. Um,
electrical updates. We didn't do that last time, Stephen, because I screwed up and didn't see you last time. So, >> because I didn't show up if I remember correctly. Um, well, I was telling telling Jeff I just finished today uh
inspecting the work that's been done and town hall is complete. Two new panels. You know, I checked the insides. Looks good inside. All the connections are tight. Um, and the large knockout that
was missing from one of the panel boxes in the back storage room that's been installed. So, that's that's everything there. I got into Old Town Hall today and the U >> Did you have to shovel? >> No. Uh, Jeff, if we have time at the
end, Jeff can tell you the full story. >> Yeah. >> Um, so no, I didn't have to shovel and I didn't have to shovel to get to the bulkhead either. it was shoveled for me. So, um I went into the um that closet
where the electrical panel is and the um surge protector's been installed and then down in the basement uh new sub panel's been installed and a uh ground fault circuit interrupter. And then one
of the things that um Tim Pure had noted when we were walking around is on the outside where the service cable comes down to the meter, the sealant around the cable as it enters the meter needed to be resealed and that's been done. So those two are complete. Um in the
highway department, you know, the back the back five bay section. >> Yep. >> Um there are some defective ground fault devices in there and they have not been um
not been changed out. And that's what I sent to you, Frank. >> Okay. >> I think Oh, no. I just sent that to you. Uh so you could pull that up and then the fire department uh they're still working there but you know in the
specific electrical work document that we provided it talks about the motion light that's above the front entry door and they have removed the one
at the right of the front entry door not replaced it but removed it and And I pointed that out to um to Len and he said that he has mentioned that to them. And then uh there are also a couple
I don't know if they're if they think they're finished with putting GFCIs in the three engine bay section, but I found a couple locations where there are none. So I So I pointed that out. So can you I
emailed this to you? Yeah, I'm trying to get it on now. Uh, >> there it goes. Okay, so hold on a second. >> Oh, I'm a little confused about this light at the fire department. What do you say? They took off the wrong light
or >> Yeah, they they took off the one that's at the right of the door >> like at the corner. Um, if you're facing No, if you're facing the entry door, that red door that goes into the fire
department, right, >> immediately to the right, it's sort of like a, you know, an entry door light. >> But then up right under the sophet is the motion sensor light that Len said isn't working properly.
And that's what we have. I did go back and look at There you go. if you So, I was going to send this to uh Puric and I just wanted everyone to read
through it and see if I should make any changes. Perfect. What's the SWD item 15? Well, if you go back to item line, >> I you know to to save not having to retype.
>> Okay, I know. Okay, I see that when I go back to the top. >> I I'll teach you how to uh copy and paste. >> Hannah is stuck in a waiting room. >> Oh, >> see that? >> Yep. Now I do. >> Yeah. Okay. So, um
does that make sense? >> Yep. Jeff, any thoughts? You good? >> Do we know if they still have the light they took off they weren't supposed to take off or do we have to buy another way? >> Have no idea.
>> So, we may have to buy or replace the one we they took off. Okay. >> Well, shouldn't that be on them? >> You would think so, but you never know. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Okay.
Yeah, that's good to send. Hi, Anna. >> Hi. >> Sorry. >> That's okay. We heard your your It's your busy time of year, isn't it? >> Yeah. I don't know which way is up right now. So, but >> that way that way. >> I tr I trust whatever whatever you guys
decide in my absence, you know. >> I'll say we just made you the new head. >> I quit effective immediately. That didn't take long. >> That was well considered. >> Okay. >> So,
>> Stephen, let's talk then about the um the exit signs just so everybody else isware. >> One one thing I want to mention before I forget because I just put it down. Um, I got an earful uh from uh Ella McKay
because after he worked and set everything off and had to turn some things off and on between it's either 12 or 3 p.m. the uh phone system or the router or the internet fails and it's not the
broadband committee, it's at in the building. because of my vast knowledge in doing that for 32 years. I asked Brennan, "How old is that router?" >> And he couldn't tell me. So, my guess is they had to recycle it several times
that the router is probably beyond it its uh life. >> They do have a technical guy. I don't know who's responsible for the u the Wi-Fi internet. And that was the other thing is they're losing Wi-Fi all the time. And I had a really good long talk with Gail about that a while ago. and
they just need to the interfering the Wi-Fi. They needed to get get a brand new Wi-Fi box for that thing. But I think, you know, I couldn't I didn't have a ladder to look. I didn't want to have time to look at the server to get the serial number and I could look up the date, but I assume
the server that uh disperses all the computers um might be old. So anyway, if you go into town hall, someone might look at you and say it's because of the electrician, but I don't think it's because of the electrician. >> Do they need a new router?
>> I, you know, I got to go in there tomorrow at noon and I'll get the ladder out. I'll have a little more time and I'll take a picture of the router and I'll find out the age. >> Okay. Yeah, they were told by Graham Septton that the town got a grant and everybody
who's or anybody who wants one is going to be able to get a a new router for free one uh sometime later this year. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Good, good, good. So maybe that will be incorporated and it'll do away with all that other stuff because Yeah, it's a
I'm going to screw up the numbers, but we're on a five right now and if we're going to a six and it's so much better bells and whistles. >> Yeah, >> I've been out of I've been out of that internet corporate business for uh eight years now and I remember nothing.
>> That's good. I never know anything. So that's better for me. So, >> well, I don't know if this has anything to do with what's going on, but the fuse panel that was in that was in the hallway that was eliminated. Um, a
number of those circuits had fuses, you know, too large, which is quite common for the actual wire. Um, and now they're all correctly protected by the new circuit breakers. And you know, when I
checked in town hall the two different uh panel boxes, you know, I I pull ever so well, I give it a good pull at every connection to a breaker to make sure that that the connection's tight. You know, if there's a loose connection, oh,
sure, maybe. But from what I could tell, unless there's a defect in one of the breakers, but they're Seaman's breakers, and Seaman's equipment's considered to be good equipment. So, I'd be surprised, too, if it was because of the electrical
work. So, um I was telling Jeff while we're on it, um last week I was speaking with Jim Hawkins about uh building code issues related to the uh reuse of the Spear Library and Town Hall. And I also
remembered to ask him about requirements for exit signage in the highway department and the fire department. And he says, and Anna, listen to this. If it's private, not public,
mass code says you don't need. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, Anna, what do you think? A building that's owned by the Commonwealth, the town of Massachusetts, which is part of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, part of the Commonwealth.
>> To me, that's a public building. >> Is the is what he's meaning like open to the public? Yes, >> that's what I think he's trying to say. >> That it's not open to the public. That I can't just walk in off the street and whatever.
>> Well, you know, there's not going to be a meeting, you know, a public meeting in there or anything like obviously, you know, you could go into the highway department to and moan because your streets never plowed, you know, or something like that. >> It's my style. Um,
>> I I don't know then because if I was the contractor on a project like that, that would be an RFID sent to the architect, Jeff. So, I don't know. >> So, Stephen, could you do me a favor or do us a favor? Could you just write an
email to Mr. Hawkins and say um something like I just want to confirm what we discussed? >> Yeah. Like for the paper trail. Exactly. >> Yeah. Because I mean I guess if he's not
requiring it, why would we spend money we don't need to spend on something? But I just logically I would have I would have assumed that it was required if if someone were to just ask my opinion on it. >> The emergency management committee used to meet upstairs
in the uh >> fire department. >> So they used Len said that's not happening anymore because it's >> it was not ADA. it was not ADA accessible to have a meeting because it's up. >> So you now it's in we're is in town hall
and it works out better. So >> yeah. >> Well, if you could just send a confirming. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Next on the agenda is the knock box. Um,
>> can I can we can we go back to the electric for a sec? >> Yeah. >> Um, just related. So, we haven't done anything about the fire alarm for the elevator and fire alarm for the rest of the town hall, which is
kind of electric. Are we kind of waiting for you guys to figure out how to reconfigure the town hall which is related to your MN spear project? >> Um I don't think that was that was why
we did that. I think it was that we had asked uh Puric and I think he said that you know the scheduling didn't work out with this guy and um there might be something else that he said but
>> he did not have someone you know he wasn't able to arrange to have somebody come out and uh evaluate it and >> okay but the issue doesn't go away so Right. >> Do you think there's going to be reconfiguration of the town hall?
>> Um, it's it's something that the reuse committee is considering um proposing, you know, because we're not going to make specific decisions. We're going to offer options.
So, but that's something that we are definitely considering offering. So, I would think that the idea of waiting until we find out what's going to happen with town hall as far as a reconfiguration, it would make sense to
wait. >> I kind of think it would make sense, too. But, um, >> we can't we have to get the elevator fixed. So, >> well, should we be notifying Haley that we're holding off on expanding the fire
alarm system until the town figures out what to do with the town hall? >> Well, the fire alarm system right now you have sensors just in the new part, right? the rear edition
>> and they're not in any spaces. So, I'm wondering if really the only thing that would happen is you'd have say a sensor or sensors uh along the hallway
on both levels that closer to the or would they be in the spaces as well? I guess that's the question. >> Yeah, I don't know. I I think they would be in the spaces. >> I mean, they're not sleeping spaces, >> right? Like classroom buildings and
office buildings have fire alarm systems and hall spaces. >> Okay, >> maybe we could um I'll call the original guy who quoted uh Anna, didn't you tell me another company that I vaguely remember in the back of my head for fire
alarm systems? >> Yeah. Who did I tell you? If you I don't know, but if you figure one, you can email me. >> Okay. >> Okay. I'm not gonna put you on the spot now. And I also tonight Well, I'll I'll also or Ste Stephen, you're going to send that off to Mr. Puric tonight
or tomorrow >> the um the letter. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Could you also in the in the if you're going to send it as a copy um ask him if he could give us a reference to his friend
uh or I can email him also. Uh who is he going to reference uh you know he knows someone who does it who which company was that because we're going to get on the ball right away. >> Well, I might uh suggest that you do that because I'm leaving you in a next
Thursday on over a month. So >> Yep. Okay. I'll do that. I'll take care of that. Yeah, thank you, Jeff. Try to get that on right away. And do you think you could also bid that job as to come replace what needs replacing now
and add on to it later as phase two? Well, I would get I would get I mean maybe they can tell you where they would put sensors or where sensors would be required because that that would probably have a lot to do with then
whether we do it all now or wait. >> Okay. I think that the smarter thing would be to do it all now and then as part of the reconfiguration project, the contractor would have to modify the fire
alarm system. >> Do you think that your recommendation is going to be taking down expanding the police department there or moving it? >> We're just expanding that getting rid of that little room >> because there's not much room there. When you say get riding, get rid of that
little room. >> The one uh behind the fire uh police department, the meeting room, whatever. There's a little meeting room there. When you go into the town hall, the one on the right, the first one on the on the right on the top landing. What room
is that called? Records. It's where >> where the conservation commission meets. >> Yeah. And a lot Well, no one meets there. I don't I think the assessor is the only ones who meet there now. everyone else is virtual. Well, right
now the what we're talking about is um possibly taking the wall that separates the current meeting room from the senior lounge and bringing that over so that
it's uh runs through the two posts that are in the current meeting room. And then so the that room and then we'd reconfigure the cut the kitchen in half
roughly so there'd be a closet for this new room. It would have a private entrance. Um you know it would achieve some of the and it would give them uh more space but nothing like they would want. And uh based on my most recent
conversation with Jim Hawkins, um I'm I'm thinking that moving the police station to the spear uh is going to trigger a lot of expense.
Um and it's still not nearly the size that they would like. Um and there's there's also concerns about them being separate um
you know in their own separate space. Um so don't know but um I think the you know moving them to a larger space somewhat larger space downstairs and then um and then there'll
be some reconfiguration like the town clerk's office is too small if you want to call it an office. It's also at the front door where all the heat and hot heat and cold are hot and cold. >> Right. So anyway, you know, we're
plotting through this and um at some point we'll have some recommendations, but >> great. Great. Yeah. Um Okay. So, while we're talking about the reuse, um we're going to submit a uh
application for CPC monies to renovate, rehabilitate the front entry porch and um you know, one of the things it says in there, any other source of funds. So the question is would the building committee
be willing to contribute some monies or do we want to stay away from that? I'd like to stay away from that. Um because I didn't submit any money because we still have 60some thousands and I didn't want to get slapped by the f capital planning saying you haven't
spent the money we gave you. >> Right. Um I also last night at at the uh uh select board meeting uh they voted to send you a letter saying yes, they're all for you applying for that. So
>> Oh, and one last thing regarding the electrical. Um, so the I don't have the long story short, I made a mistake initially when I we were comparing
prices and I think pure is maybe three or 400 more than had originally thought it would be. Um, and I mentioned talked to you about that, Frank, way back. >> And, um, if I remember correctly, you
said, "Don't worry about it." Well, maybe not that, but we'll we'll, you know, >> we'll we'll figure it out. And uh, >> yeah. >> Yeah. >> They've submitted bills for um, town hall, old town hall, and the highway department, not the fire
department, because they know they still have work there. Have you signed those or initialed those? >> Signed >> or initial the bills? >> No, I I didn't receive them. >> I I Brennan has them. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> So So the highway department still needs to have, you know, some things done even though we've gotten a bill for that. >> Have you seen the bills? >> No. >> Okay. >> Brendon Brendan has them. I merely asked
him about him if he had gotten bills. Um, well, before you go away, just you have the numbers and all that. I want to send them to you just to have you give the blessing and we're on our way.
>> Well, I I know what the numbers were for those. >> Okay. Yep. >> And and they they conform to what the his estimates. Okay. Oh, they they match the estimates. That's all I care about then. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
>> Cool beans. Okay. >> Like I did just email you the two um >> fire alarm folks. I always mix up their names because it's fire service group and fire equipment inc. And they all everybody's logo's red, you know, like
everything looks the same. >> All the websites are red. >> Yeah. So I I just looked it up though. That's in your email. >> Thank you. >> And Old Town Hall got plowed. How? Shoveled. >> Old Town Hall.
>> Yeah. >> So Lesie Bracebridge went over to shovel it out. Also, she, you know, with her cane and her replaced hip. And um
two guys from National Grid were across the road having their lunch or in their truck and they saw this old lady. >> I love it. >> Shovel it out. So they came over and and shoveled it the paths to the door and
around back, but Lesie happened to have a cherry pie or a blueberry pie in the backseat of her car which she was taking home for her daughter. And so she gave pie to the to the guys from National
Grid. >> Well, let me let me add >> delightful. I love this. Let me add a little backstory. So, yesterday I stopped in and Lesie was in her office because I knew I was going to need the key for the historic commission closet
where the electrical panel is inside. So, she gives me the key and she said, "I think there's just a few inches of snow in front of the door." So, I walk over, you know, she said, "There's a there's a shovel downstairs." So, I grab the shovel and I walk over there. Well,
you know, I mean, there's the plowed bank and then getting up to the door. And, you know, I said, I, you know, I don't have time right now. So, I I go back and I tell her that and she said, "Well, you know, I', I'd help you out." And, um, so
this morning when I realized I had a little time and I was going to take my shovels up there, I texted her and she said that the U front door has been shoveled out. And I said, "Great." I said, "I also need to get into the
bulkhead in the back." She said, "Well, that's that's been shoveled, too." >> Yeah. >> So, I think the committee owes her a pie. >> Yeah. >> At least one.
>> Yeah. We We'll give her a pie. >> Okay. uh Sheets Sheets elementary school updates and 88 I'm going to go also combine that with number six ADA grant audit. Um
did I send you that or did I just get it? Um, Nell Netti, our town moderator, went to confirm using the school and an the principal
said that the separator is broken. >> Mean the screen >> the screen doesn't go >> partition. Yeah. >> Yeah. And and um and that the stage panels keep on falling off and it's going to kill someone. So uh or hurt someone. Hurt hurt. Um, so
I went and had a a little talk and take pictures and uh it looks like the motor is too it's 30 years old. >> That thing I I when you emailed me I was at the school that at the end of that day so I went in and like that thing looks like it has like a crank start on
it. Like it is old that I I didn't know I I I was when you said partition I didn't I was thinking something different than that. Well, what's interesting, so I I went in and talked to Matt, and Matt said it can go up and down, but it, you know, it
might not come down again. It might not go up again, but it can go up and down. >> What do you mean up and down? >> It's a divider. It's a It's a a curtain with a that gets pulled up to the ceiling and divides left and right. >> Oh, I'm sorry. No, that's that's what
they want next is left, you know, a curtain this way, but this one goes up and down. Oh, >> and uh I also found out the panels on the that make the extra room for I forget what teachers in the
some there's a special therapist or something in the uh stage area. The panels that open up when Matt was away, one of the veneers, not the panel, one of the veneers fell off. That's a quarter inch thick
or so. Um, and he screwed it back on. So, I'd like to go down with someone like Jeff and uh with my screw gun and these button screws and look at it and get a second opinion. If we
if it's if it I've got uh steel screws, button heads, and uh regular wood ones. If this whole if this the veneer panel can be screwed to the structure, it'll last a little longer. Um, and
they can have the meeting at town hall in May and the special uh mock meeting for the clickers whenever that was going to be. So, I'm going to need backup on that. Um, that it is usable. On the second side of that,
um, when you order these, and I've got to make a few more calls. when you order these uh gym dividers, is that the right word? Gym divider. Um >> sounds good. >> Yeah. Two to four months out. So it doesn't matter when we order it, you
know. Um and second, how you know, is that going to come out of our monies and all that? So that's you know uh I don't know if you're available at the end of the week or being in next week to take a walk over Jeff just to get your architectural or Anna just to look at that those
panels to see if they just need the the veneers need to be screwed on that they don't fall off the panel itself didn't fall off the track and fall into anything. It was just the veneer of >> I'm good any day next week except for Thursday.
>> Okay. Um, is there a chance people would want to I'm I'm at the school on Friday at 4:30. So, like before that, like 4 o'clock or something. >> Which Friday? The 6th.
>> Um, either. Yeah, that or the 13th. I could do either in two days. >> And the 13th. >> Yeah, both are fine. >> I can do either the 6th or the 13th. Okay, let's get it out of the way and do the six, please. Oh, >> you think a half an hour is enough time?
>> Oh, more than enough. Yeah, it's just we just got, you know, 15 minutes just to look at the panel, take it apart a little, see how it is, pull on the, you know, the ones they fix, and then >> make a decision if it's still usable. >> What time did you say? What time?
>> 4:30 4 >> or four if that works. >> The after school program will be in effect at that time, but that doesn't matter, right? >> Right. No. Okay, >> we're just gonna We just have >> You guys are all Corey checked. >> I am uh I just
>> No one's faces at the post office. >> I just I just filled my I'm doing a raccoon course at Fischer Hill in Orange and I filled out the form and I asked him I said, "What happens?" He goes, "Oh, if we don't hear anything back, it's okay." >> Yeah. I always What always shocks me is
when I Corey check people, I I just need them to fill out the form and people will just confess everything just right then. tell me all the things and then half of those things don't show up on the Corey check and they didn't have to tell me. But >> yeah, so yeah, and I'll I'll just uh
email Ann that we're coming at 4 that we'll have to have access to that room. I don't know if it's locked. So >> great. >> Good. Cool. >> Related to the school, did we ever get a cap on that pipe that you think is getting water into the oil tank?
>> No, it's got a five gallallon bucket. I didn't have a ladder or a way to get a ladder over there. I actually looked at Stephen's ladder, but I don't have that type of money right now. And I just need to get a ladder to go up and take the five gallallon bucket, take the slip cap
off, put the five back five gallon bucket on, reduct tape it, bring the piece to launch space, and for $100 orund something, she'll make a copper thing attached to it, and then we'll rivet it on so take it off.
>> Okay. >> Okay. Okay. Uh the Haley gave me a a thing at the last minute that they Furkog got an ADA gave us an ADA grant to check every building.
And I thought it was about doors and all that. It actually has to do about everything. You know, if you walk into a room, if something's too close to the door and I learned a lot um and I walked around with them um and uh I learned a
little, you know, stuff. There's a few rooms that are that are going to be uh come up on the the report that you have to go into the room, walk 20 feet, take a left, walk 20 feet back in the dark to find the light switch because they put
all these, you know, these demountable partitions in. Um, so it was it was interesting to learn that. So there's a bunch of little things that going to ask things to be upgraded because they're not ADA compliant. you know, some of the desks are way too close to the entrance of the door, so you can't you need four feet.
Little things like that. So, that's what I did with that. >> Um, on the another thing is I've talked to Walter, I can't pronounce his last name, who I had a wonderful conversation with him. He was uh the custodian there for 30 years
>> and he told me lots of fun things. Um, you know, they used to they used to close that building. It was had so many things going on. At 9:00 every night, five days a week, there'd be a basketball league in there to two to leagues and a lot of school after stuff. And I I was impressed with that. And
they had 200 students. But he told me that they when they did the n early 90s renovation, 93 94 95, I'll look it up. That's when they put the underground tank in. So I think that tank's 35 years old. Um,
>> yeah, the schematics for that tank are on the construction drawings for the building. >> Yes, >> I looked at them. Yeah. So, it's it shows the routing of the pipes and all that heavy nonsense. >> Yeah. Um,
so I I don't know what we should recommend uh about that tank because when you Google it, uh 30 to 40 years is the lifespan of those tanks. So, I'd like to, you know, figure that
out because if they're going to redo the parking lot to make it more suitable for the buses and people, it it's a talk. It's going to be an expensive project though. >> Yep.
Um, on a second note, I went a week ago or two um with Royal Steam's uh maintenance guy or projects guy. Really nice guy. Um,
and he looked at the school and G had some great ideas. He hasn't gotten back to me. Um but he was surprised at a lot of the stuff the way it was. So and the second what
>> expand on that a little bit. What's that mean? >> Well, in other words, he there's a lot of old stuff there that's not working. There's a lot of things that that he wouldn't have done. You know, I wouldn't have done that. You know, that type of answer. >> One of the things that stuck out to him, they had some type of maintenance and on one of the boilers is a panel on the
left. It's not connected correctly. and he goes, "That's my number one pet peeve. If you take something apart, you put it back the way it's supposed to be, and it's a jar. I don't know what it, you know, happens to it, but you know, >> well, the the panel I was I was there
for a good bit of that. And the panel is it's basically the a shroud, you know, that covers the cast iron components of the boiler. >> Okay. >> Not a functional component, but it just is kind of lazy. One of the things that
he did say about that he was surprised to see is in the boiler room in the school there's a um an oil reservoir where oil is pumped in from the tank
and it's in there and then it goes to the burners. And he he looked at that and he's like, "Whoa." You know, like it's not something that he feels you normally see. He his guess was that the
person that was designing the system had had a certain incident, you know, or experience where he's like, "Well, I got to cover my ass, so we'll add this this component." Um, does >> that sound right, Frank?
>> Yes. We couldn't see the pump in the ground because it had snow on top of it. So, >> so have you heard any Frank update on this ground source heat pump approach to life? >> This is going to segue right into it.
So, um, >> wow. >> The energy people came back and looked at MN Spear and Town Hall again with a engineer and a another company. And then this company can also do
boiler, HAC, and all this other stuff, maintenance. >> Um, and so they're just that's all they're not they're still working on the school. Um, they were looking at heat pumps for Town Hall and MN Spear. So, that's
why they brought the contractor and a grant writer that works for another company. I've got the cards downstairs. I don't remember the name. Sorry. Um, the interesting thing is the head guy who did it took some pictures and I it was on a last Friday and I
said, "What are you doing?" He goes, "Oh, whenever we see something, I text the company, all the guys, and they get a giggle out of it." The first thing was the air intake thing uh in the senior room. >> That the octopus.
>> The octopus. And then um something in the boiler. Uh no, the uh octopus. The second thing he took is uh when they put the vent over, they actually attached wire to the electrical thing on the roof and they didn't use one the
right wire and it's not to code. So, but it was interesting because when we started looking at stuff, he kept on saying, "Oh, Jamrod did that." He goes, "How do you know?" He goes, "I recognize it." So, that was very, very interesting. I
don't know if Jamrod did the air. I think Jamrod think I think Jamrod probably did that air thing but >> they did >> they okay and then that's what he thought and the fun thing is >> his phone because he texted he's got a number that texts all the tech guys are
in the field and everything else and I said what did you tell him he goes don't do this and he said he got constant things of laughter and all that stuff back all but for the next 10 minutes it was pretty funny so >> well when I when I inspected I
I went and looked at the manufacturer's recommendations as well as you know general ducting and I mean all the ducting it's just you know because one of the complaints is it's very noisy. >> Yep. >> Well, a lot of that has to do with you
know these 180 degree turns immediately coming out of the unit and a variety of other things. you know, it's just like it's it's a very poor quality installation or we'll just say it's quite unprofessional.
>> And the other thing, Stephen, when I looked at I I we were in the boiler room and I looked and we were looking at how the boiler came out and I'm going to get it wrong, but it's uh 1/8 rise per foot of something or other. And he told me >> quarter inch per foot.
>> Thank you. and uh and it's supposed to have a a barometric or atmospheric uh >> damper >> damper. And he goes depending on when it was installed and we found out it was from your thing it was installed in 2016. He didn't know the code then but
he thinks the code after that. So he didn't know 2016. We'd have to have a solid pipe up the uh chimney for that. You can't use the old chimneys anymore is what he said. So, know he put it in, if he put one in new today, he'd have to have pipe all the way through the chimney.
>> Well, you know, when um Becky Torres was still uh TA, um there were periods where there was I think it was in the winter, but there might be rain. And she was
getting leakage coming down the side of the chimney, which abuts her office. And one of my concerns was that when they put the new boiler in that the flu size
is too large because newer equipment's generally more efficient so it's not putting out as much heat. So the flu or flu pipe needs to be smaller. And I might have it in the report that I suggested having a chimney sweep or
someone, you know, that can do that to size the chimney, but you know, given Jamrog put that in, it's probably wrong. >> Yep. Okay. I just did what he said. Yeah, go ahead, Anna. >> Oh, it's just I think I apologize,
Frank. You had emailed me about Western Mass. Did you ever did they ever reach out to you or connect with you if >> it's on my to-do list of other business? Okay. Yeah. >> The only contact I could find out about them >> was their computer. You you go on their website info. >> Yeah.
>> So, >> didn't work. Okay. I'll >> I'll start another string then if just I'll just start >> include my name would be great. But you the only thing I could find I couldn't get a number. So, I just went to their website and I said and I gave them the blurb what we're trying to do and >> Sure. >> And they you know no one ever got back
to me and I know it's the busy season. >> Yeah. It's weird though. I mean, they they I don't know. >> They don't even have an automatic response. Thank you. We'll get back to you. So, >> yeah, that's odd. I And I know like we we have an inquiry on our website that went down and we didn't realize it. So, like a month went by because people also
call us. It's not our only point. >> Yeah. >> And they were just like in there but never got forwarded to us. So, we had to get like, you know, our website person to like go into the whatever the bowels of our website to like resurrect these things. So, I don't know. There could be could have been a technological glitch or
>> I don't know. It's it's odd of that of them. So, I I'll reach out to them and I can maybe I'll just start a stream with you, me, and um Andy over there who's a project manager and just get you directly connected. >> Good. >> That makes sense. Okay, I'll do I'll do that. >> Is this Western Mass Heating and
Cooling? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, I think that when we get this management contract, it's going to be over $10,000. So, we're definitely going to have to have some I I don't know. It could not be $10,000, but we probably need at least three bids on this thing.
>> Okay. >> Okay. So, number the energy or I just told you a little about uh number six ADA grant for I told we worked on that the ADA told you about that. Um, that's Jeff. That's why in you know that uh I
emailed you about second egress um because the two back at the school and you'd know this because your kids have been there a while. >> Mhm. >> The two back rooms I think they're kindergarten. >> Uh one of them is Yeah. >> And one of them is first grade. They you
walk into the room and that's it. There's no second egress out of that room because they put the dividers in. And I got to see the cutest little I took a picture of it. the cutest little toilet in one of those one of those room. >> I love those things. >> You know, it was this high.
>> They work on a 12-in rough, so you can put them anywhere. They're great. >> I love them. They're so cute. >> I know. So, um, yeah. So, that's what I did with the ADA. Um, >> I got to say, I never noticed the lack of egress having been in that classroom
more than once. Well, I didn't, you know, and Jeff says you don't need a second egress because you have to have 49 people, but I just for school, it bothered me. Um, >> yeah, fair. >> And they could have put a they could have put when they put up the uh uh their demountable petitions, the
permanent demountable petitions, >> they could have put a door, >> you know, in one, but they'd lose that that 36 inches of space on either side of the wall that they're using. though. >> Mhm. >> And all if they put a door in both those walls, they go right to a an outdoor
exit. So, who knows? Um anyway, that's that. >> Uh the uh the uh Elliot Park Committee, um Katherine Hilton sent me an email and she wants to apply for a CP gr CPC grant for that work we were going to do.
um she wanted to know a ballpark figure and um I've got the architect and the the guys with the nuts and bolts here to talk about that. Um remember the rock and the uh they're talking about the changing room at the >> kind of refresh what are what we come
away with at the end. >> I know we talked about some siding. Well, we remember uh there's all that leftover roofing material >> from the new library that we have and I
think we discussed uh that we would use that material because we had initially talked about using say corrugated galvanized material but you know here we got this roofing material which is probably thicker gauge.
>> Yeah. And um you know we just we just need to and there's some flashing components that we've got. So we can probably figure out a way to utilize it. Might involve some cutting or maybe that maybe
the panel size has something to do with how far up we cut. So I think the only one of the things that we will need is remember some of the sill plates are bad. >> Yep. And um so we'll we'll need some
pressuret treated I don't know if a 4x4 or 4x6 um but something along those lines. Um and what is a new roof uh this roof is perfect by the way. There's no leaks on
the inside. But what is a new roof per square foot >> shingle? >> Yeah. And it's like a strip and re roof or >> this for is this for the shed? >> Yeah. >> Well, the shed is corrugated. Uh >> Oh, it is. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Oh. Um
>> I don't know what that is, but if um there's a cor like is it the corrugated where you have the surface screws like you can see the exposed fasteners? >> It's currently a green roof. >> Oh, the plastic stuff. >> No, no, it's a green roof because so
much debris is built up on it. Oh well, you know, nature just, you know, it takes over. >> It's growing. Um, so it's hard to say, but I would assume that it's the utility style where it's just surface screwed.
>> Yeah. Um, I do not know the price of that, but Ammerst Farmers sells that. And I'll see if I can maybe pull up a price online. I mean, for ballpark figures for the CPA, $500 worth of wood, $1,000 worth of wood.
>> Oh, come on. >> What are you going to whittle it yourself? >> And what? I'm not quite clear on the scope with the wood. It's to replace sill plates. And what else? >> That's about it, right? I mean, you know, the backside,
I think until we start to deal with that, we may, you know, there might be some other material, other wood needed. >> So, and also, who's doing this work? The three musketeers here. >> Well, Russ, you know, I think Russ is
still um part of the crew. >> Okay. Four, >> you can be the foreman. Um, >> perfect. I'll bring my coffee and lean on the truck the whole time. Someone's got to keep it from rolling
away, you know. >> Give me a bowl. I just want I told uh Katherine because the CP grants are coming up. 500 >> 5,000 5,000 >> 5,000. Really? >> When When we start opening When we start to open that thing up,
>> we're going to find all kinds of stuff. I wonder if um Cole I mean if it's a small amount of lumber I wonder if Kohl's might donate or discount it just you know as a town member >> when when we did the um the new metal
roof on the damke keepers >> right >> Russ took care of ordering all of that and that was through I think farmer supply because you give them the dimensions and they provide everything you need you know you just have to have
the correct correct dimensions and uh it was it was wonderful. I mean, you know, like >> and he knows how to install that. >> Yeah. You just do you remember what that roof cost? >> No, not much, but No,
>> not 5,000. >> How big How big is it? Like um those panels come >> 12 x 12, >> right? 12 x 12 building. >> 16 by 16 by 12. Yeah. >> Okay. And it's a gable. >> Yep. I'm just wondering if we can do that with like one panel, you know, with
no um no everywhere because that that's pretty >> It's a low it's a low pitch cable. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> But it's not leaking. >> Yeah, >> that that's Yeah, that's you know, >> you got all that green matter to suck up the water. >> Yeah.
>> Can't go through because it's using >> fine. I mean, joking aside, you know, sometimes it's the kind of thing like once we open it up, we want to be ready to put it back together because sometimes like, you know, everything's kind of held together until you disrupt it, especially with like if
you got things growing in or through or around it. >> And we don't know where the in the back was the toilet part. I don't know what that thing was called. The composting area, the sand area. Yeah. >> We don't know what that how much, you know. Yeah, because that had that had a
a sloping section down low which I assume you would open up and dig out, but that's all rotted and but that doesn't really need to be there anymore, I don't think. So, you know, until we sort of open that up, we're not going to exactly know how we're going to end up
dealing with it. And Jeff keeps shaking his head. >> Yeah, that's why I think we need a bigger number. >> So, 5,000 >> 7500. Oh, he's learning. >> Um, do we do we need to do we need to
pull a permit for this? >> We won't. >> It's not a public building. >> Not a public building. Okay. So, then we don't need plans and Okay. I was just thinking about how to facilitate things with the roofing uh measurements if we need a plan or if we're just going to relay measurements.
Um, >> order the roofing. A sketch is probably sufficient then for for Ammer. >> When I ordered the roofing at Ammerst Farmer Supply, I just went down with a sketch. >> Yeah. Okay. >> The correct dimensions and he they took care of the rest. >> Yeah. Okay. I usually work with Mickey
on that stuff there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, the consensus is $7,500 will cover if we take the roof down and find all this rot and all this other stuff. Otherwise, we take the rest and put it somewhere else. So, it'll be a CPC.
>> 125. >> What >> I said? All right. 125. >> Every time we talk, it goes up. Um, when you're inside the space, is it open framing? Like, can we verify that the rafters are in good condition or the sheathing?
>> It's all It's all >> okay. So, I mean, if we can kind of eliminate sheathing sheathing down, then you I feel a little better about that number. Um the one the one issue I remember which I think Kathern Hilton said that
they her committee would take care of is when you go in uh they had put hardware cloth to create kind of a ceiling to hopefully I think prevent critters from coming and well the ceiling is littered
with critter debris. >> I know it's like a nice nice little platform for them. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> The debris in for them, >> right? You know, which means probably besides shells, there's probably
>> feal matter, which you know, you don't want to breathe. So, but I thought she said that they would take care of getting that out of there. >> But if we're going to if if we find that the roof is is gone, if we because we didn't want to scratch at it. I remember
that. We didn't want to scratch at it to look at it and cause, you know, a leak. >> Yeah. >> But if we have to replace the roof, they're gonna have to we'll have to have that removed and everything else. >> So, >> no. And's happy. Anna, you're happy with 7500?
>> I think so. I mean, kind of sight unseen and you know, whatever. But I mean, we could get we could get current pricing from Mickey on the roofing, too, just to maybe vet that. That's the one big chunk in there. But that I mean, that stuff goes right on. the sheathing and then strapping and
then the roofing. There's not much else to it that >> What's the deadline on the CPC grant? >> Uh the 9th of February, >> five days from now, we'll go with 7500 and then if it doesn't we we can do it
in phases. We'll we'll do the uh shell first and then we'll do the roof next because the ninth is coming up too quick. >> Yeah. I, you know, I can look at the dimensions and maybe give them a call just to get a square foot price.
It's 16 by Yeah. >> All right. >> What' you say, Jeff? >> 16 by what? What do you guess? >> Almost 16 or 13. It was It was It was almost square. It was a little oblong
>> cuz my my back enclosure where I put the metal roof on was is for I think it's like 14 by 16 and the metal roof material was like 800 bucks. >> So yeah,
>> we're good with 7500 >> I think. Yeah, I think we're good. >> Good. I'll just give her that tonight. >> When Anna when Anna's supervising the job, she can also bring us donuts. >> Great.
>> That'll be a real >> a long drive from the nearest doughnut place. So, they'll get >> a real long drive >> in the car, but before I get there, you'll get an empty box. I'm just saying I had um uh Frank from Abide Environmental stop by my office. Um and
he brought donuts from Adams Donuts in Greenfield, which is the best doughnut place in the area here. Highly recommend if you're up in Greenfield. >> Adams. Okay. >> Adams. Yeah. It's good. >> Is that on five?
>> I have no idea. I know where it is, but I don't know what that street is. >> It's kind of a busy commercial street. >> Yep. I think that's I think I've gone past it. >> Yeah. Next I would stop in next time. They're great.
>> Are they warm in the morning? >> Yeah, you can get them. Yeah. Fresh. Like when they're fresh, they're good. It's the good doughy. >> That's a good place. >> Yeasty batter. >> Yeah. It's all air. That's why like you don't have to worry about eating too many donuts. It's mostly air. >> Okay. Does anyone else have any
unanticipated business? >> Um, did you get that um letter that I prepared uh for the uh building committee supporting the >> Yeah, is that the select board? Yeah, hold on a second. Let me get that up
again. That's on this one. It's going to disappear for a second. Go back. While you're doing that, can I ask a question? Have they inspected the dam out there near your lake?
>> Not that I know of. >> Okay, I I'll answer that in a second. Um, >> I drove by and looks like the water's still down. >> Oh, yeah. >> I think uh >> keeping it down. >> Yeah, it's 5t down. We now have a
significant beach in front of our house. It's ice covered, but And I know there's lots of snowmobile tracks across the lake. >> Oh yeah, >> people are nuts. >> I hear all the time. It was interesting.
I lived in a directly across from the boat ramp. >> You know how much snow we've had. >> Yeah. >> And the other last night I said, "Oh my god, Tom, check it out. The a pickup truck's coming down." And it was perfect right to the end till one took a left
and one took a right and it was two snowmobiles with their little lights on but they were so close together it looked like someone was coming down with a pickup truck and they both hitting the bumps at the same time. >> Same time. Yeah. >> Well, you know, as you were saying that I'm going to say, well, that's very
interesting because I was just on Randall Road today and there there are no tire tracks from uh above the snowmobile trail. >> Ah. Which I actually happy that they do the snowmobile because when you walk around
the lake, they pack all the paths down. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. If everybody could take a quick look at this, this is uh I wrote this up and um if the committee uh feels comfortable with that, that's going to be added to the reuse committee's uh
application for monies from CPC. and I take uh any grammatical suggestions or any other suggestions. >> I'm not good at that grammatical stuff. >> I have a silly question. I've always called it the building committee. Are we officially the buildings committee with
an S? >> Well, I remember back when I was chair that I was corrected a number of times that it was buildings committee. Oh, >> so >> Huh. I don't remember that. >> Wait, wait.
See it? >> Oh, yeah. Huh. >> Okay. That's like whatever that mandala effect is. Like I would I just did not realize that till right now. Okay, cool. Great. >> Uh let me get back. Uh did everyone read
that? Is that okay to uh go with that? >> It's fine. >> Yeah. Okay. >> It's fine. >> Okay. >> Okay. Yeah, that that look fine to me, too. >> Okay, thank you. >> Okay, anything else? >> What are you guys?
>> Well, I guess first back to the dam. So, >> oh, I'm sorry. Back to the dam. Uh, the select board said, um, it was interesting. The engineers said they were going to do this all in January. Mhm. >> And now there's 20 plus inches of snow
in that area. And Stephen, you could tell better. I haven't been out on the lake to talk to the fishermen. I know there's at least 8 in 8 plus inches and they'd have to dig that out. So, they're trying to get where the monies are coming and they've
got to get the bids out. And so, it's going to be like this for a little bit longer and they don't know the answer to that. Well, I I've already I already said when uh we got the uh notice that they were taking it down another three feet and what the concerns were. I said
to my wife, I said the lake is going to be that level all summer. I bet >> the uh the state has to bless it. Whatever the temporary repairs are, they have to bless it. But they have to get a contractor to come in and do it. And that's the problem. So that will be to ice ice out.
>> Yeah. Well, several weeks ago, and you know how cold it's been since then. >> Yes. >> I asked fishermanmen out on the lake. Maybe it's been more than several weeks. It was 10 inches then. >> So, inches of ice or snow?
>> Ice. >> Forget about the snow. And I give you another thing. What's interesting in front of my house, the stream comes in front of my house from Ames Pond and then there's another one that comes from up Wendell Road that goes on the other
side and there's been open water all winter except for a couple days from the running water. >> Yeah. >> The other day it was funny. I think it's funny. Uh I looked out and there was a mess and I thought coyotes had gotten something. So Tom and I went out for a
walk and realized it was mud and Tom went in through the ice but it was only this thick. I mean it went into the mud this thick. That's how how low the lake is in front of my house. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So >> there there are numerous places around the lake where there are these little
say I call them weeps and like our next door neighbor in front of their place there there's a place where there's open water. Um, I walked from the base of Randall Road out and partway around uh, and just before just as you get to the
bend where you start to feel the wind coming down the lake, um, there was an area that was slushy. Um, so those kinds of things I say, "Okay, time to turn around." And I went out the same day when it was warm and onto the sand bars that are in
front of my house and you could walk almost to that where the wind comes in. It was amazing, you know, how how much it is. But it was slushy, but then we got that sub-zero weather, so the slush went away on the edges. Um,
and now we have two feet of snow and I'm not going out there. So, >> I have snowshoes. I might go do that. But >> yeah, so that's what is. How far are they reducing the water? You said another three feet. >> They normally drop the lake level two
feet for the winter. >> Um, so they've dropped it five feet. >> Oh, okay. And that's where they're going to stay for a while. >> Well, that's that was the height that they wanted to take it down to so that it could be inspected. So the dam could be inspected.
>> I have a picture of it. I'll send it to you when we're done when I find it. What how far it's going down. and it might have to go down farther if they're filling in that drain pot that's underwater still. >> So they they basically told the select board committee when I was listening to
the engineers saying, "Yeah, we'll have someone come out and look at it and then the state will give the blessing once they fix it." Um between the weather, the ice, and everything else, they're not going to be able to look at that pro. I think this is my opinion that they won't be able to look at that that
damn till ice and Jeff if it's 10 12 inches out there it's going to be May. >> Yeah. Interesting. Okay. And the interesting thing is for me
and our our ice went away a lot farther because of the shallowess and the darkness underneath it melted away and now it's just the base where the deep water is and that'll take forever to melt in the middle. >> Well, you know it it I'll just say it
depends. Last year at one point it was 14 in thick and it was gone before the end of March. >> Okay. You know, >> I didn't know it was that thick last year, but >> yeah, I periodically would go out and ask, but then a neighbor had a relative
come to visit and he cut a hole with an ice augur and measured it. He said it was 14. So, >> okay. Okay. And then, Stephen, when are you back?
>> Um, back the 17th of March. >> You leave Uh, next Thursday the 12th. >> Okay. So, is our next meeting before he gets back or after he gets back? >> Um, that would have to be next Wednesday.
>> No, I assume because you're just on vacation just sitting over there in the other side of the of the world. You'd be happy to get up in the middle of the night and have a meeting with us. >> Of course. >> Yeah. We can Well,
>> you can send me the email notification, but I'm not guaranteeing too much. >> I'll probably schedule it for the 11th. Uh, Jeff. >> Okay. >> Um,
and then we'll all be at Steven's house on the 18th to see if he came back wearing green. The 17th when he comes back wearing green. St. Patty's Day. So, >> well, if you're you're Did you say you would schedule it for the 11th?
>> Yes. >> Why wouldn't you If it's a month, why wouldn't you schedule it for the 4th? >> Uh, one, two, three, four. I did. >> You did what? >> Oh, I'm sorry. No, you're abs one of my I'm looking at my calendar. One of my uh
things. You're right. I'll do it for the fourth. Um uh it'll be on the fourth. One of my things is in bright red and that's usually what the number is and it just looks like it was. >> Everything else is black and white. So >> because I was going to say if you're
going to schedule for the 11th, why not wait another week the 18th? >> Yeah. No. Well, I wouldn't want to do it. You're going to be jet-lagged on the 18th. Well, we we arrive late on the 16th. We'll be staying over. I mean, we'll
still be jet-lagged, but >> Yeah, I'll do it for the 4th and then we'll catch up. >> Okay. >> So, we're talking the 4th of March. >> Yeah. Next. >> Yeah. Okay. >> At 5:30. Great.
>> Okay. Well, if we're all done, do I hear a motion? >> I make a motion. We can't close the meeting. >> I'll second that. >> Roll call vote, please. >> Cook eye. >> Dis eye.
>> Mark Bush. I >> get I thank you very much all. >> Thank you. Have a fun trip, Stephen. Thank you. >> Yeah. Have a great time. >> Do our best. Bye. Bye. >> Bye.