Hello everybody. Hello. Good evening. No cat tonight, Beth? >> No, she's upstairs. My My daughter's back from college and absolutely her cat. Yeah. So now the cat
>> is with her. >> The rest of you are chopped liver, right? >> Who cares? >> Yeah. Well, I usually sit up in her room to do meetings and so that's why the cats really, you know, but now they have
each other and it's lovely. >> Yeah, that's great. >> Yeah. All right. Well, it is 7:31. We have a quorum. So, I will call this meeting of the Shootsbury CPC
to order. Um this meeting is being recorded and all members are participating remotely. First item on our agenda is to discuss and vote on the uh minutes of November
20th. Is there a motion? >> I move we approve the minutes of November 20th. >> Second. >> Any discussion? No, look good. >> Thanks, Cliff. >> Yes. Thank you, Cliff. >> Welcome.
I It was high standards set, but I I tried to live up to them. So, >> thank you for doing that. >> You're welcome. Okay. Um, we'll take a vote. Uh, PO >> abstain.
>> Frell. >> I. >> Reed. I >> Wilson >> I >> Gettys >> I >> Bengalo I >> Okay, next item on the agenda is to discuss and vote on determinations of
eligibility. Um so just as a reminder um the determination of eligibility this is purely about whether in the view of the committee the uh proposed project is sort of objectively speaking allowable
under the terms of the statute and and case law. Um and it's not so much right now at least about discussing advisability or whether it's recommended something that we would um propose the town meeting accept. Um we're purely
talking about um eligibility at this point. Um the deter so the committee received four determinations of eligibility, one of which was withdrawn by the submitter. We have three um under consideration this year. Uh these have been posted on
the CPC website and available to the public. Um I I put them up there as we receive them so anybody could take a look at them if they wanted to. Um, and I think that we should probably just take them in the order in which we receive them, which is the order in
which they're posted. Um, the first one is the regional affordable housing coordinator, which um, I submitted to the committee on behalf of the committee. Um this uh sort of brings us back to the discussion
we had with um Mariah Kurtz from Furkcog about partnering with um Shelburn and Leverit to um hire through Furkcog and affordable housing coordinator. Um,
there any comments, questions, discussion about the the DOE? So, I remember you were having a consultation with Stuart just to make sure that the detailed uh responsibilities that would be included
with this position um were in fact covered by CBA funding. And I assume that is the case that having spent a little time with him and um observ uh reviewing the
responsibilities that this reflects um things that would be covered with CPA funding. >> That that's correct. Yeah, we had a joint call with the three towns and and Mariah with with Stuart and he was very helpful in walking us through um the
list of things that that um Furcog wanted to do um and saying what you know what would fit and what wouldn't fit. you know, there were concerns about making sure that activities that were going to be fund the staffers time that would be funded with CPA money um would
be things that you know are allow allowed under the statute. Um and also that they wouldn't be um he talked about this concept called supplanting uh which is essentially the idea of uh using CPA money to supplant funds that
should be spent by a municipality on their own funds on on on um staff time for example. And so there was an extensive discussion about whether or not this was supplanting Furcog um staff time um and sort of came to the
conclusion that it that it really wasn't because this was sort of an add-on because of the grant that Furcog was receiving. It wasn't out of their own staff time. Um but but nonetheless, there were certain things um that the CPA can't fund. And um when Mariah sort
of revised the uh the DOE, she tried to flag some of the things that were specifically going to be funded out of the um it's not that the staffer won't be doing those things. It's just that that portion of her time will be um funded through the state grant as
opposed to CPA money, which seems like a legal, you know, technical dance to me, but you know, um Stuart seemed perfectly fine with that. Mhm. >> Matteo, um, what are the other communities looking for in CPA funds or
are they contemplating using CPA funds for this? And do you know, is there like if we're at 5,000, are they are they looking for more time or it's just curious.
>> Um, so they are they're all going to be doing the same. Um there's also trying to find this. Um so Leit is in a unique position because
they have the affordable housing trust. >> Um and I guess Leverett and Weightley are the only Franklin towns that have have that. >> Um but there's but they're still only there everybody's kicking in the same amount.
>> Oh, okay. this fiscal year. There was some discussion about this being a um >> uh like a trial balloon for future years. >> Um Ashefield has expressed interest in potentially
doing it in the future, but not this fiscal year. >> So, what are the communities this year? >> Uh Shelburn, US, and Leverett. There are only apparently there are only nine CPA towns in Franklin County
>> and because this is a Furkcog project, they're limited to Franklin County partnerships. Mhm. >> Yeah. My my sense was that as long as it addressed the issues that were raised by the coalition, and it seems like you guys covered that with Stuart, um I'd
make a motion to um support this determination of eligibility for the regional affordable housing coordinator. >> Second. the fight for it. All right. Any further
discussion? >> Um just one one note. Um it was not addressed here and not that it um changes anything I think for moving forward tonight, but just in the the final um application for that that um to
clarify who this individual is um overseen by. Is it the select board? Is it the um uh the CPC is um it it the town administrators for each town? So
just just clarity as to who is the the contact and and again overseeing and and coordinating the the main contact point. That makes sense. Yeah. I mean in in lever it was you know Barbara Crui was pretty clear that that the the person
would be working with the affordable housing committee but you know for us it's there's a there is a larger question there. One of the one of the discussions that came up was whether this person for example could um support like the planning board um in terms of
zoning things and Stuart said no. Um, so you know, I think you're right, Cliff. We'd want to sort of clarify exactly who that person would be reporting to in town. >> Is there other points of discussion? >> All right. Seeing none, we'll move to a
vote. Leo, >> I >> Frell, >> hi, >> Reed. I >> Wilson >> I >> Eddies >> I >> Pangalo I >> All right, the second determination we
received was the uh Elliot Park Committee's request for the Elliot Park shed repair. And um Cat, do you want to say a few words about this or >> Yes. I I kind of spaced out when I was
um putting in this application and there is the shed repair and that is part of the project that would we would like to get funded. But um the bigger part of it and the more expensive part of it is actually having the gazebo um restained
and um where there's been vandalism and scraping and stuff, having that sanded off and and uh and restored. That's that's the more expensive part of it. The shed repair is kind of crucial because a lot of that wood is really
punky and uh some of it is is um being affected by by the ground and so it's kind of rotting from the bottom up. However, the um the lovely men of the buildings committee came out to advise us on it and they said, "Well, you you
need to do this and this and this and this and we'll do it. You just have to get the materials and we'll do it for you. We'll we'll get you on our on our list and um when it comes up, we'll do the work. So, the main thing is really um
restoring the gazebo to a new condition. Um it did need to have some moss removed from the butt ends of the of the ceiling shingles, the roof shingles, but um Marian and I did that ourselves.
So the estimate that we got from the person who can um do the staining I think was 1500. >> Any comments or questions from the committee? >> I think it's probably fine. Um, there's
always the issue of whether or not that's maintenance versus um, and I'm I'm trying to recall. I had the I had the qualifications up. Um, is there anything else, Kat? Is there is there
kind of repair um to and staining? >> Well, there is repair because there's been vandalism. >> Yeah. So, um, we really want to get the to get that removed and try to keep it, you know, obviously if we leave it in a
vandalized condition, it's just going to invite more vandalism. >> Your your question, Rita, is whether this constitutes or what it's ordinary as opposed to rehabilitation. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I was just looking
because we're this would come under recreation, correct? preserve, support, reserve. Um, I guess I guess it could be it's preservation. I mean, that's we are preserving
a we're making sure that this gazebo stays in good condition. So, um, I think it could probably pass. I don't think it would be challenged. uh that it's it is
the preservation and that's what we're that's what I assume we would call it. >> That seems fair that that would be preservation and and the shed work would actually be repair. >> Right. Right.
And so um so it would be contemplated that you would apply for the materials for the shed with the CPA funds and then the work would be done by the buildings committee. >> That's right.
>> Okay. So, I'll go ahead and make a motion that we approve the um determination of eligibility for the um uh what are we calling I didn't print that one out. Um for the Elliot Park
storage shed and gazebo >> second. >> Any further discussion? >> Seeing none, we'll proceed to a vote. Bleo >> I. >> Frell. Hi >> Reed. >> Hi >> Wilson. >> I
>> Gettys. >> Hi >> Pangalo. I >> All right. Congratulations, Cat. It's eligible. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, thank you very much. >> Uh and the final uh DOE we received was the South Brook Conservation Area
Expansion submitted by the Conservation Commission. And I see Beth and Scott are here. if either of you want to uh and Bridget um before we get into it I'll just say that because I'm a direct a butter I'm going to be recusing myself from um discussion and voting on this
one >> um I guess I I will talk a little bit about it um so yes it's from the conservation commission it's it's a land purchase um we have it under three categories we have it under open
space, recreation, and housing because we're sort of in these preliminary discussions of potentially using a small portion of the parcel that would be bought for a Habitat for Humanity house. It's just it's kind of an idea and we
want to have all of that all straightened out by the time we actually apply um next year. Um but that's that's why we have it in for all three. Um, so I guess one question to the committee is just if anybody has concerns about that
or if we do feel like it's still eligible under all three categories. Um, but besides that, it's it's it's a land purchase. We're working with Kestrel. They're actually going to go ahead and um pre- purchase the the parcel. It's
it's a 9 acre about nine acres between Wendle Road and Locks Pond Road. But part of what Kestrel is working on is actually a larger piece that they're buying for themselves to own on the eastern side of Wendell Road. It happens
to all be one parcel, which is kind of funny. There's 196 acres, I think, on the east side of Wendell Road and 9 acres on the west side, but it's all one parcel owned by the same owner currently. Um, and what
Kestrel has proposed is that they would be buying the larger parcel and they're wondering if the town would like the other parcel because it abuts um, South Brook Conservation Area. Um, and so like I said, it's about nine or so acres and on the Locks Pond side there is this
potential for um, using some of the land for a habitat for humanity house. Um so and I think I provided a map with the um eligibility document but um tonight those are really that's really the question to the committee is is it
eligible under those three categories um and how people feel about it and then I I did it so the property's been assessed at 82,000 um I've talked a little just today with
Kestrel about our CPA asked going up by maybe just a couple more thousand to cover closing costs and things. There's we'll have to pay to have a for example a conservation restriction put together. Kestrel would end up holding the conservation restriction. But if we do
buy the land, you know, from Kestrel, we would have to have somebody put together one of those. So just couple thousand more. That's all. But we'd have that again all straightened out by the time we actually apply in the beginning of 2026.
Um, so that's all I was going to have, but um, open to lots of questions and Scott and Bridget are here also to potentially ask answer any questions people have. I just had a question about what the um, the frontage is um on Wendell Road.
No, on Lock Pond Road, not on Wendle. Do you know what how many >> the distance? Um, >> you know the the number of feet so that >> Yeah. The linear acres. >> Yeah. Is it >> the frontage? Bridget, do you know the
frontage on Locks Pond? The linear feet. >> I don't have the exact number in my head. I could go back to the appraisal and I'm sure it's in there. Um, but certainly when we did the appraisal, they did consider it, you know, somewhat developable. So, there certainly I think has met the zoning requirements on Locks
Pond side. >> Okay. Just wanted to double check that. that's what they that they were, you know, coming up with a um a building essentially. It's a it's a building lot. Um but >> yes, I think that's something to be
explored further um just to make sure that that is the case because it wasn't what we were necessarily evaluating when we looked at it. But um that's our understanding at the moment. And my recollection is um from I can't remember if you were there Bridget um
the person who came from Kestrel uh thank yeah >> um >> was that there was going to be some discussion with the family with the seller about um their
support for if that they would know that this might be um a possibility and would be okay with that. Do you know if that >> Yes, that's still to fully be determined. Um we're in active negotiations and there's been some pause
in the negotiations due to probate um processes. Um but we're hopeful that in the new year we can resume those and and get that final confirmation from the family. But at the moment, we don't foresee a barrier. Um but you know, we need to confirm and enter into a purchase and sale agreement formally
with them. I have one more question, >> please. Yeah. >> So, the CR wouldn't be put on, the conservation restriction wouldn't be put on until after it would be put on by the by the town of Shootsberry.
>> Yeah. >> Right. If we so Kestrel is not do Kestrel would acquire with anticipating that um the town would then acquire it from Kestrel, >> right? >> Yeah. Which
>> and and put a CR on some of it and then leave the balance if we were doing a um a house lot. >> Right. >> Right. I think that's how it would that's how the CR would end up having to be would have to exclude that housing
lot definitely. But yeah, having them pre-acquire it um means it can happen a lot faster. Also nice they're going to do, you know, the title search and an environmental review
and and get the survey done and everything for their purchase of it. So then when we go to acquire it from them, there's actual, you know, less other costs besides just the assessed value and that kind of thing. But yeah, this exactly the CR would be almost like the
last step of our purchase from Kestrel. And um we'd obviously have to pay somebody to put the CR together, but you're right, we'd have to exclude the housing lot definitely. So, >> with this being two parcels of I think
combined um uh 205 acres, so it's all in effect one one parcel. Um, is there anything that um if if for some reason one parcel or the other wasn't um
purchased that it would um negate um any sale of the other parcel? Are they mutually exclusive or divided up or is it all being treated as one assuming that both purchases will go forward?
>> Um >> um Bridget can answer that. >> Yeah, at the moment it's been treating it as one. We haven't really discussed treating them separately in terms of Castro entering a purchase and sale agreement with the the land ownersh.
>> Um but I guess, you know, if for some reason and and Castro at the moment has the funds that we need to pre-acquire, we don't have concerns about that falling through. Um but I'm sure it could be considered if it needed to be separated out in some way.
Um, that actually brings up something I hadn't necessarily thought of is just um eventually going to the planning board to separate the parcels, right, Bridget? We'd have we'll have to >> Yeah, I think that would be an ANR
process. I don't I don't think there'd be, you know, >> any special case to that, but yes, we would do that >> at some point. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, we um we just didn't want to miss the CPA
>> window >> schedule. You know, we're not quite don't really have all of our, you know, things in a row or but um but we we'll get there hopefully by the time the uh application are due. And so, yeah,
tonight really just thinking eligibility under the three different categories. And um yeah, >> I I just have one more question. Um so, uh so you've done the appraisal. Has
there been any other due diligence on the 9 acre parcel? Um any any >> Okay. >> We've done both a title search um and environmental site assessment. So Okay.
Thank you. >> In terms of Beth's question about um putting it under the three categories, I I think it makes sense to treat it as um a acquisition that does meet those three
categories. And um I guess the the question of how to divvy those up into the different pots of money um can be determined. Um, but I I think it does make sense and is appropriate to to
consider it under all three. >> Agreed. >> Mhm. >> Okay, great. That makes it easier on all three, right? If you split it up. Yeah. Well, I you know, if it was if if we were taking um
whatever two acres of it um and 250 ft of frontage, then you know, we have community h we have, you know, a good set aside within community housing. So, um and we've used, you know, open space
and recreation. We've used a lot of that CPA money. So I could see, you know, dedicating um a good portion of it towards uh the community housing part. >> Great. Sounds good. Well, we we hope to come
back with a lot more information when it's actual application time. >> All right. I'm gonna make >> a motion. You go, >> I'm gonna make a motion to approve this determination of eligibility. Yay.
And I will second. And since Matteo, do you want to do the roll call or do you want us to just >> Carol? I there any further discussion? >> Did I freeze? >> I did.
>> You froze. Wonderful. >> You there, Matteo? >> Matteo's frozen all of a sudden. >> Yeah. >> Or else he's really contemplating. >> Is it that cold in Chesberry? >> Up in his attic. Yes.
>> Do you Cliff? It >> was 60° here today. >> Where are you? with Denver. >> Oh, we are in Colorado. >> Yes. Yes. >> Oh, he we lost him. >> Oh dear.
>> He's back. >> You're You're muted. >> You're muted. >> You're muted. >> Sorry about that. Zoom just closed on me automatically, which is like weird Zoom thing that has happened tonight. >> There you go. Well, I uh I made the
motion to support and Cliff um seconded. So, >> all right. Any further discussion? >> Can I vote on this one? I don't I don't know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. Great. >> All right. So, you know, for the
discussion, we'll put it to a vote. Reed. >> Hi. >> He froze again. >> He froze again. >> Yep. Go ahead, Rita Gettys. >> I thank you.
>> I heard my name there. I forget it's >> okay. >> Paleo. I >> Wilson. I >> and we'll wait for Matteo, >> our fearless leader.
>> Our fearless leader. >> There he is again. uses, abstains. >> It's done. >> Okay. Did everybody vote? >> Yes. >> Wonderful. Great. >> You don't need me. You don't need me.
That's great. >> Um, final item on the agenda, unanticipated business. Any unanticipated business? >> Nope. >> Um, okay. When are applications due again? >> Um
>> is it February? >> It is February 9th. >> Okay. And you didn't hear anything from the um spear building committee, did you? I I know um Steven Delmos is uh was putting together an application, but he
missed this. But I think we can anticipate that there'd probably be an application in the um the final round for work on the MNER library building. >> Good. Yeah. No, they didn't uh submit anything. So,
>> okay. I also don't know given everything that's happening with the dam what's going to happen with the um second phase of you know the grant that we received last year or that we used CPA money to match last year.
>> Yeah. >> Well, some of that money is being um re reallocated um for the emergency repairs. So the sphere building committee >> so we may
>> cannot cannot put in um an application now that they haven't been approved by us. >> No they can this we we do the determination of eligibility is is optional. So they could put a um a
final, you know, an application. Okay. the final and and it this really serves the purposes of the applicant to say don't waste all your time um okay >> doing a full application that you know if there's any question about its eligibility but now anything else could
could come in >> for that matter something could conceivably come in around the dam too >> now and um that's why I was asking when the applications were due what we had set Yep. Our next meeting is January 15th to
address questions from potential applicants and then >> deadline for applications is February 9th. >> Okay, good. >> Okay. >> Um All right. >> I'll make a motion to adjurnn. >> Second.
>> Any discussion? Okay. Seeing none, >> to vote Reed. >> Io >> I. Gettys, >> hi, >> Frell. >> Hi, >> Wilson. >> Hi, >> Angelo. I That's it. Have a great night,
everybody. Happy holiday. >> Okay. Happy holidays. >> In Colorado, Cliff. >> Thanks. Okay. >> Bye. >> Bye. by