##VIDEO ID:cdMI5U7vLX4## e name we just waiting on Henry um Beth and Allen are unable to join us minute did Henry confirm that he was be Beth and Allen are not going to join us yeah Beth has the uh concom meeting right now um very exciting um and um uh Allen is out of town and and not in an area where he has a reliable connection okay I I did not hear from Henry that he would not be able to attend so okay we do have a quorum though as we have four members so we can proceed uh it's 7:02 and since we have a quorum I will call this meeting to order and get this started uh so welcome everybody to the first meeting of the shutesbury CPC for the new fiscal year um everybody is participating remotely myself Mato pangallo Cliff Reed Rita Ferrell Elaine poo and uh absent are um Henry Gettys Beth Wilson and alen Hansen and just for the record Anna your last name her h e a r d thank you um the first item on the agenda is to review and vote on the minutes from our previous meeting May 16th is there a motion to consider the minutes so moved moved you can have it Rita a thanks Cliff you can second it I'll second it is there any discussion about the minutes no they were great thank you El thanks for getting them out so quickly too I just finish them up and send them out that's great yes thanks all right seeing no discussion we'll take a vote um Reed hi hi poo hi angalo I all right next item on the agenda is an update about our sort of outstanding um CPA projects which I believe at the moment are just two um I might be wrong about that but the um West cabin Conservation Area parking uh situation Beth has informed me that um the uh concom is working uh to get a this was her update as of August 12 they were trying to get a curb cut permit from the highway department um they have the parking lot lay out and once they have the permit work can start and that's great the extent of it so um it sounds like it's moving forward which is basically all we asked of them end of the summer is the highway department going to do it do you know Matteo that was the original um when yeah when Mariam put it together that was the original I think intention so and it sounds from what Beth is saying is that's still the plan great um as far as the town common sign board um I gave a report about this to the historical commission uh the Williamstown art Conservation Center um I reach out to them in in Late July for an update about this and they've been really good about staying in touch with me about how it's doing um actually pull up a see if here find the photos here we go some photos of our belove sign board um it's it's undergoing its process of um what they've been doing is removing the the modern latex paint there have been multiple layers of it and so it's been kind of slowo because it is very the latex paint is is a little difficult to remove safely um but they have started to work on it and um they've been able to get enough of that the modern paint off to get down to the lead paint um underneath and see the original lettering and the original um you know the font and type face and and such uh one of the things that that they've found in the process of doing that that's been somewhat interesting is and you can't quite see it in the um hey you can see in this picture um the the lettering underneath the wood is kind of swollen up um because the moisture that gets tra trapped underneath all those layers of paint and so I mean they're not going to do anything to try to like sand it down or return it to you know to flush they're going to try to keep it the way it is as much as possible but um it sounds like it's a slow process they haven't really looked at the uh cap yet the top piece which is is the next sort of major question that the historical commission has to address and talk about with the select board about what to do about that because the cap that is on it um as we learned is not authentic historically it was a later addition um and so that raises some questions about preservation and what exactly it is that we are preserving uh but it sounds like this phase of the project should be done uh over the winter and depending on what the decision is about the um top piece the guide board would be coming back at some point in 2025 right there any questions that's about that's everything I know so great all right uh there are no questions we'll move on to item three on the agenda which is a discussion on the off cycle Grant applications um so I don't in my experience or my understanding this is probably the first time well I guess Technically when the when the uh District applied for the track funding previously it was in theory uh it was after the deadline and so we voted to accept it after the deadline but this is like the first time that we've had I think shutesbury has had true sort of off-cycle applications and I was interested to find out from the community preservation Coalition that this is not a uncommon thing this that that quite often um uh app will come to cpc's outside of the normal application process for a variety of reasons a new a property suddenly becomes available and historic resource is suddenly threatened a construction timeline or other Grant matching grant opportunities come up um that need to be sort of acted on in a timely fashion um and some towns have adopted specific sort of procedures for the handling off cycle um requests and that's something that I think we can talk about at our next meeting U when we talk about the community preservation plan because that's the kind of information that I think we should at least other towns have included in their Community preservation plan so we can look at examples of what other towns have done and think about like how we want to um address it it's just it's it happens so rarely that I don't know that it's a huge pressing issue really um but we do have at least one possibly two um to to talk about tonight and so I wanted to sort of give the give an opportunity to those potential applicants to talk about what they are asking for um and then what we would do as a committee is basically decide tonight vote on whether we would Grant an this is in effect an extension of the previous fiscal year um deadline um to these app app ANS and then at our next meeting before the uh public hearing uh that we have scheduled in September for the community preservation plan that's when we would formally vote on the applications so what we'll be doing today is just basically voting to say we will consider an off-cycle application from you and then in the next meeting look at that application and just and skipping Al together the determination of Eligibility phase does that make sense yeah yes well so on that note are there any other questions or or comments on this from other committee members no so go ahead Cliff um ju just a question um so if we are considering an off cycle um application for this and then with the need for town meeting um in approving that is that something where a special town meeting would need to be called to then um have this presented and and voted on yeah so right now um the and and Rita you can probably speak to this better but I believe the intention um is for a variety of reasons for the town to have a special town meeting in November um not just for these off-cycle Grant requests but there are a couple other things the town needs to address um going forward it seems to be common practice for towns that have um specific Poli policies about off cycle Grant requests to say to stipulate that the CPC itself is not going to sort of put in the leg work of organizing a special town meeting that that potential applicants have to go to the select board whoever the whoever the authority is it's calling the town meeting and and arrange for that themselves and um otherwise whatever action we take in recommending it it's just going to go to whatever happens to be the next town meeting be that a special town meeting that gets scheduled or the annual town meeting eventually right which obviously would sort of obviate the entire purpose of having an off cycle request but and and that's something I think we can talk about in more detail also um when we talk about change you know including a policy on this but in answer to you know the short answer to your question is my understanding is we we do have a special town meeting on the books for November which will be our second special town meeting this year yeah it's um tentatively um I had the 21st of November so it's it's a Thursday a week before Thanksgiving thanksgiving's on the the 28th so um we were trying to fit it in after the election and there's so much work to be done for for when you have a you know presidential election year so we were trying to respect Grace sanity um preserve Grace sanity our town clerk um so that's why we uh scheduled it for that time and you're right Mattea we have a number um of other items for that special Town meetting um are there any other questions or comments uh about this from other committee members all right seeing none I'd like to sort of turn things over first to um uh one of the of the two potential off cycle applicants uh to just sort of give them the chance to share briefly um what they are asking for why they're asking for consideration off cycle um and we'll start off with um I guess Doug if you want to tell us what you're asking for yeah be happy to do that uh can you guys hear me okay yeah yeah okay great um so uh normally we we would do it on cycle uh in this circumstance uh it's really about timing so you talked in gave some examples of of you know property becoming available that sort of thing we're actually trying to meet a construction cycle so for us at present this is a project we' brought to you before we withdrew that application uh for a variety of reasons but but um we're currently in the design process for our our uh renovation and restoration of our track and and the interior field and AD joining fields around that and uh the designs should be uh ready and in and in place for for a December early you know January of this of this year um bidding process um and so what we're hoping to do is to make sure that we have as complete a project as we can and the more secured funding we have in hand the better um we cannot go under contract with with a with a vendor without uh funds in hand or or authorized um we have a variety of sources that are funding this project um we can do the project or some phases of the project uh with the money that we have available to us at the moment um but you know to sort of realize the full the full project uh it's better to get it and bid it all in one one Fell Swoop with with potential construction companies so the more money we have secured and and so if you guys are able to take this up in your November town meeting and and secure additional funding for us that helps us in our Contracting process um we'll still move ahead with the project either way um but it but it will uh enhance the project in its initial phase and and also uh potentially be a little more cost-effective to do more things all in one Fell Swoop as opposed to having to phase some pieces of of the project so um we're hopeful that you'll be able and willing to consider it you know sort of off cycle for that purpose um you know the the ask is uh 136,000 um that's a component piece of of uh a larger ask of other CPAs of all four communities uh to help fund the project um use the same concept of of apportioning that cost to each of the communities based on our the way we aor Capital costs in our Regional Schools uh which uses cqv from each of the four towns um so that's sort of how we came up with that number relative to a total amount of CPA uh requests in the in the Just sh have $2 million mark so um I'm sorry could you could you tell me the the number again I was typing and missed it so the the request uh is for 136,000 thank you um and of course you know we understand that this is you know it's got to fit within the resources you have available and the other projects you have that are in the in the pipeline and you know we understand all of that and and so it's it's uh you know as as I've said to other CPA committees and other towns it's you know it's it's it's your choice about whether to support it how to support it what level to support it at um and we're hopeful that that that this is a project that you're interested in and willing to take up at this you know in this off cycle time frame Doug one one question just looking at the the figures the sources of funds um it looks like some thing on the order of um 1.25 is um million for what is being requested from the different towns CPA funding for that um what happens if um the the funding does come up short you mentioned that there would be work possible to initiate based on the current funding that you have but what are the contingency sees if um the full the the funding requests um come up short yeah in that circumstance uh you know how we how we shape the bid may change a little bit we may do What are called add alternates to it we may just uh hold on certain aspects of the project and and not include them in the in the bid for the for the you know coming summer construction season so for example um you know there's aspects of the lighting uh the total cost for lighting for this you know facility would be about a half a million dollars of the total cost um we might just do the Preparatory work and not actually put the polls and lights up uh that could potentially you know reduce the overall ask or overall resources needed by about $350,000 so it's an example of some other things that you know can still get the project moved forward and and and and built and yet you know there are things we'll want to do in a second round some other time uh if if that's the case and so uh we'll we'll do some staging of certain things some some aspects of it are are less critical to success than others but they're nice to be uh considered in the whole project and and and as I mentioned sort of my cover letter a bit cost- effective if we can do it in in one bid um so things like that will be the approach we take thank you so Doug I just had a question about the um timing I know shsb is anticipating doing this special town meeting what about um Leverett and pelum so pelum is also doing a special town meeting I met with their CPC um I want to say a week ago um I think it was a week ago May been a week and a half ago um the there preservation act committee uh considered it uh and and you know uh supported recommending it so you know I think our next conversation with their select board um they are anticipating a special town meeting this fall as well I forget exactly when I think it might be November as well but it may be maybe earlier than that um so I'll probably connect with them in Fairly short order to see if if their select board will put place it on their warrant for their special town meeting so if those are secured um along with yours in November that's available for us for the bidding uh the lever you know I reached out to Leverett uh Community preservation act their chair reached back out to me and said we're not going to do an off cycle we're going to wait and do it as part of our regular spring cycle so they just for whatever reason and could be any number of reasons and they didn't have any reasons but they decided they would wait and go to the to Spring I did not make a case for why I'm asking off Cycles so um not in in a sort of full way um so that may have been a factor but I think um they may have also looked I think they're also going to have a special town meeting this fall but it might be coming really soon so they may not have felt they had a sufficient amount of time to to vet a project um in advance of that um but that's just a guess on my part yeah okay and ammer oh let me skip ammer uh so in in in July we went to the ammer community preservation act committee um and made an additional request they've already made two other Appropriations from uh CPA but they they um voted in favor of an additional appropriation there um we asked them for a larger amount because we felt there was some energy there and and some timing uh you know with with a Town Council form of government they can they can meet and vote uh the appropriation sort of any particular meeting that they want um uh and so it's really a matter of scheduling with their with the Town Council about them considering uh that appropriation and and uh to that point given that that that request was 800,000 again it's to support uh you know uh you know going under contract uh they're probably likely to to make the request to the Regional Schools to say Well if you get these other resources from these other towns we don't want to spend as much we'll we'll we'll probably need to craft in Fairly short order an intermunicipal agreement um and especially for any number of reasons because uh we might come in under you know if if we're fortunate and our bids and our our our construction uh bidding process comes in well under our our budgets we may not need to spend all that we've had made available to us and we'll have to have some uh agreed upon way for for leveraging the funds and balancing the you know how those funds will be split across the four communities so um I think that's some work we'll need to do as we move forward too so Mato I don't know in our community preservation plan whether or not we ever addressed or even if we need to address um the fact that we'll be spending CPA funds in another Community which is totally you know is is legal and acceptable but you know there might be questions asked and so it's just something we should think about when we have our you know when we look at the plan um if we don't mention it it might be it might be a good idea just to incorporate something that that's that that's a legitimate use of CPA funds that you can do it in another Community yeah I think we can certainly um look to include something that is that is specific to that but you're right it is completely legal and it's routinely done yeah and it's the first time we'll be doing it so there might be a lot of questions asked because it's a pretty significant amount of money it's what about a third of maybe a little less than a third of what of all of our money maybe 25% yeah we so we currently have in in dedicated for for open space and Recreation we have just 14,45 in the reserve and undesignated we have a total of 57169 okay so it's more you know the funding the funding is there but it's a significant amount of funding that's in reserve yeah good okay um Doug yeah just add one one little kind of quirky thing with regional schools that you can maybe be helpful to to provide some comfort uh to your Town's people is that uh technically each of the four towns are owners of the regional property uh so as a being a regional school property that we're working on uh you do technically have ownership of that uh your piece of it um so each of the four towns do have ownership rights as it were to that uh and and so I think that that's may be helpful to people to to have them think about it a little differently it's not owned by ammer and you know held by the region it's actually region owned property and therefore it's own by the Ford communities right are there other questions or comments on on the request from other committee members no all right well uh seeing none then uh let's proceed to vote on oh I guess I will entertain a motion first to uh cons to Grant the Regional School District a extension on the fiscal year 24 application deadline so they can submit an off cycle Grant request for the track and field project so [Laughter] moved I'd like to be as specific as possible yeah good idea I wasn't about to repe please you have to repeat it now I don't repeat it please uh either repeat it or send it to me in an email please I can't type send it to you in email okay making a note to myself to do that all right is there any further discussion seeing none we'll vote on the motion frell hi Reed I Leo I pangallo I all right thank you um there is a second off cycle request um from the historical commission um we don't have a letter um we don't have this in writing from from the chair unfortunately Mattea we have a question oh yes David he everybody sorry I was late I I I think all the the uh the material that I was interested in I'm working of course with Doug and and many others on the track and field project appreciate you uh entertaining this off cycle proposal um it's nice to see some old friends on this uh this call I am actually uh babysitting with my my uh twin baby baby uh granddaughters up in Irving so I'm sorry I was a few minutes late but it was bedtime so um anyway uh it's a wonderful project as you know in amarist and we've been working for years on it and uh um you know we're we're close we're we're as close as we've ever been so really appreciate you considering the uh proposal uh with the other towns so thank you great thank you yeah um and I think I believe Doug you sub you already submitted the the application right so we don't um we already have it in hand you do I did I did fill it out but you know look at over if there's anything that's missing or additional information you want given that we're sort of in a odd cycle of time please let me know we'll and I'll and I'll try to get that to you guys as quickly as possible I know that the the uh finance committee and shb has reached out about some of the funding for the project so I think they've got some interest in in sort of how this is all fitting together so I'm going to get them some information in the next week or so about that just so they have a clear understanding as well great thank you um okay so the other application or the other request for an off cycle Grant application is from the historical commission um I'm going to be wearing sort of two hats as I talk about this because I've been tasked with heading up this project and writing the and the grant for it um but it's essentially seeking um an off-cycle Grant consideration for a protective gazebo um for the guide board for when the guide board returns um I should sort of clarify that this is not um saying that the CPC is authorizing the Gazebo because that's not up to the CPC that's up it's really up to the select board because the because the town common is is Town property and the select board governs it so even if we agree to approve the grant or or request or approve the consideration of the off-cycle request um that doesn't mean that the we're saying the Gazebo is going to be built but the thinking from the historical commission is this um restoring the Gazebo restoring the guideboard is costing a lot of money um and in large part it's because of the exposure that the Gazebo has its physical placement on that common at the top of the hill um has exposed it over the many many years to the elements in a way that a lot of uh similar guide boards in other towns around us like if you go towards um uh like Center and other places they're not subjected to and one of the um key recommendations from the Williamstown art conservation staff was it needs to be protected either by moving it indoors or at the very least shielding it from the elements and so the historical commission at its most recent meeting um voted to um approve requesting an off-cycle Grant application um from the CPC for part of the cost of building the Gazebo which is an allowable or eligible cost um according to the community preservation Coalition because it falls under preserving an historical resource um the the project cost the total project cost is about $1,200 it's actually a little bit more than that because the Architects costs are also included but they're um being donated um so the cost of the project is is over 12,000 the labor is being donated the labor for construction is being donated the labor for design is being donated um the historical commission is going to be putting up some money uh for some of the supplies and the grant request would be for $4,300 in historical uh resource funding from the CPA to contribute towards those materials um so that's where are I don't have a actual written grant application to present to you because the committee did not actually vote on the Grant application at its uh at its previous meeting it merely voted to authorize requesting submitting an application um off cycle so that means that we can't actually approve it since we don't have the application but we can say yes or no we would accept it if we saw it yeah so the the as with the request as with what we as the action we just took on the with the school request from the from the district we aren't approving or denying the application we are approving or denying granting them the extended deadline to um again to the to to our September meeting to submit an application okay okay uh Janice commission so I just wanted to um back up what Matteo was saying I think he described it very well we're really excited about getting the guide board restored but the people at Williamstown really drilled it into us that if you just stick that back up on the common you know all that work's going to be destroyed in a matter of years and that you really need to provide some kind of protection so we've tried to come up with a a design that is not too obtrusive um but can be protective and the last I knew a couple of the members were going to go talk to the building committee to get feedback from them and then eventually we will get to the uh select board as well to make sure that that they're comfortable with it but it's it's it's all just to be able to put the guide board back but give it protection so it can last a long time right because because without it the concern from the from the conservators was basically we would be looking at investing this kind of restoration funding in it again within the next decade or two decades um whereas the protection from the Gazebo like the Gazebo will require some kind of basic maintenance over the years but being of um you know pressure treated wood um it's going to be a lot easier and cheaper to maintain um than doing historic preservation work on the guide board itself um and the re the reason that it's being presented as an off-cycle request as opposed to in the regular cycle is because uh as I mentioned at the start we don't know exactly when this thing is coming back um and so the feeling from the historical commission was if it's if it's returned to us early in 2025 it would be best to have the gazebo in place because there is no indoor place to store to store it it won't fit in town hall it won't fit in Old Town Hall it physically will not fit through the doors um and so uh and if we were to ask William the the Williamstown art Conservation Center to hold the piece for us until the Gazebo was built then there would probably be additional costs involved with that there would certainly be more than the cost of building a Gaz gbo in a timely fashion so our our sense was we wanted to have the gazebo in place before it came back and and the placement of the Gazebo it's actually it's going to change the placement of the guide board slightly because it needs to be moved back somewhat from the from the road Edge it's not very far back it's not going to be noticeably far back um but the placement of it is something um that the historical commission did check with the highway department and the chief um about concerns about sideline and traffic and issues like that on the roads side um so those things have also been already sort of factored into it but as Janice said we are s sort of still waiting to get some kind of feedback from the building committee itself on it what what is the approximate size of the Gazebo and it it's it's roughly the same size as the guideboard it's not it's not like a Bandstand kind of uh huge thing um I can uh you know when we submit when well if we have the chance to submit the um actually I can also can share the drawings that Bert sent hang on one second um so this is the kind of structure we're looking at it is is really sort of tight to the uh structure of it in order to provide protection uh from the elements both coming from the sides as well as down uh High Enough enough that it still provides uh some visibility of the um of the guide board itself though uh Janice um I just wanted to say too that the other consideration that um at least some of us are concerned about is that the volunteer labor by these uh professional Carpenters is available for now but if we have to wait another year it's possible they may not be around they'll be too busy or you know something else will happen so for us that's a considerable um consideration as well so who's doing the design of the of the Gazebo so the design drawings were drawn by see I know I had the name on uh Duran Fernandez O'Brien um so I see Dave zc is still here but I um it just makes sure that it follows the CPA historic rules Dave are you still there I just I haven't looked at um at this at a long time but yeah I am still here Rita yeah so and so when you're constructing something to go over uh with CPA money under historic it's the National Park Service is that right yeah yeah there design guidelines yeah there is some reference to the National Park Service guidelines so not yeah I'm not an expert on the historic resource piece but they should definitely look at that yeah yeah I think so one of the one of the things that um that Stuart pointed out from the from the con the Coalition um was the sort of the distinction between the uh restrictions that are placed on restoration work and the restri placed on preservation and that protective measures would fall under preservation and so anything like if if we were the kind of uh work that the Conservation Center for example is doing on the Gazebo on the guide board itself excuse me the G keeps throwing me the guideboard itself that has to comply with um with those restrictions okay um but that preservation is sort of it it's distinct from it okay um but I think that the the point point that you're raising is of concern and in terms of like does the design of the Gazebo is it in keeping with the architectural flavor right of town common and the other buildings that are around it and that profile that historical profile that's there and I think that that's something that you know the historical commission has been talking about okay it's something that obviously when this goes to the select board who's going to have to have the final approval that that they're going to be the final Arbiter on and I think it's also something that clearly when we're talking about whether we're going to vote for the application is something that we're going to want to have a discussion on okay yeah I just want to make sure we're not um GNA get to trouble running a file that okay so do you want a motion to yeah if there no other comments or questions from other members of the committee is there a motion to Grant the historical commission permission to submit an off-cycle Grant application uh for the protective gazebo for the historic guide board did you get that elain motion to approve that an application for an off cycle project can come forward to the CPC in our September meeting for going forward to our November special town meeting is that clear yep yeah that would be the same for the um for the school too excellent I'll just copy and paste uh so moved and second it all right is there any further discussion seeing no further discussion uh FAL I Reed I Leo I Ang Gallo I so we would expect um to review these applic ations at that September 19th meeting is that correct um yes so before the public hearing um which I anticipate will be very well attended by hundreds of people throngs throngs of people we we we will we will discuss and and and vote on the uh on those applications okay all right great good all right thank you very much thank you Doug and Janice and and David yeah thanks for coming thank you so much we appreciate it thanks thank you question I have a question for the committee um there was someone Jake Mitchell who came on for about five minutes y was that somebody that was planning to be be here or does anybody know maybe he was supposed to be in another meeting if he was supposed to be in another meeting do I put him in I know I know a jake Mitchell but he lives in Leverett so yeah do I put him in the minutes no no okay was at the wrong place he came to the wrong place okay um okay the next item on our agenda is the public hearing on the 19th uh and so this is the second year that we've been holding we're going to hold the hearing public hearing that is required by the CPA statute at the start of our grant cycle rather than the end of it um as recommended by Stuart uh sagor and um essentially with the intention of updating our preservation plan or hearing from people about things that we should be considering in our preservation plan uh which is what's required by law any thoughts about this last year was not super well attended I think we had one question my thought is that we should have it in person and hold a pizza night that's a good idea oh yeah very good idea have somebody um do something for kids outside in the back and see if we can get more than one person to show up so we all chip in to buy pizza we have the uh funding right the we have our funding yeah yeah operating funding what do you think I it's a great idea sounds good might ask people to RSVP just so we're not sitting on 15 pizzas well maybe we could we could do it jointly with the library and have the library do a kids program the same night and you know the more Community people that come and hear about what we're doing and we could do the better we are right yeah um okay are you so you're volunteering to help organize the uh concurrent activities sure I have nothing else nothing else nothing going on library's done now right basically oh library's done yeah my son's getting married next weekend no problem I got plenty of time um uh what is the so if we're going to do this in person I'm assuming that I need to uh clear this with Becky in terms of making sure that we have the space at have to have the have the the uh meeting room downstairs and we'll have the outside space also so you know it could be a picnic if if everything goes right it would be a picnic if it doesn't it'll be inside and you know we could get the library to do a kids program program that same night and that way Maryanne will advertise it on her site and you know we'll get more people knowing about it okay I'm unfamiliar with whether or not the legal ad needs to stipulate that there will be [Laughter] Pizza I don't think so should I should I describe it as a public hearing and Community Gathering or is that yeah yeah yeah okay um all right well then I will I will reach out to Becky about making sure that that space is reserved and then get the um ad out um hopefully in the next couple of days so we can have it posted in time for legal compliance um Lane if you want to I guess check with marann see if there's something the library wants to do on that day few meetings with her every once in a while sept September 19th at 7 o' seven o'clock uh that's that's what's on the yeah that's what's on the okay might be dark by then in September should we do it earlier you want to do it earlier why don't we do it at at six okay does anybody know who this person without a name is that is on our meeting um whoever just joined us could you identify yourself for the purposes of the minutes oh um I'm trying to observe my name is Sam McLoud I'm the chair of the Amor CPA committee I'm trying I thought I would come in as a participant watching not being part of your live streen but uh there I am so I was trying to not disturb your meeting and uh lo and behold so forgive me I will have occasional interest in some issues that might arise could you please spell your last name for me m a CLE e o d Sam McLoud uh I have interest in region of course as you do as well no problem just need you to identify I understand completely I'm very familiar and thank you for what you're doing and I'm sorry to uh no problem distract the conversation no no distraction at all do you expect that um do you want us to go through the community preservation plan and come um prepared with any edits if we have any edits to the plan so what we did last year and and what's on the schedule for this year is that at the September at the September meeting it is just the well it is also now considering the off cycle Grant requests but also um the public hearing portion is just for us to listen it's a listening session okay enely um and gather and Gathering input the decisions about revising and updating and voting on those changes to the preservation plan the determination of Eligibility form and the Grant application form would then happen at the October meeting okay so yeah I mean obviously it would be probably helpful to to read it over and I mean it's a it's a it's a gripping read you know I have it memorized I have it placed it on my walls um but yeah for the September meeting it's just to to hear people okay just public about the plan itself and then also like you know other other thoughts about CPA activity potentially in the in the town and um just in terms of getting the word out about the um so they'll be uh can ask Becky to do a town announce yeah we'll do what we did last year which was um so we did the town announce um we did the obviously the legal ad um and some flyers at the um at the library at Town Hall at the the trans lever transfer station um the post office do you put anything up at uh next door I put it on next door yeah and and if this is in conjunction with Maran she'll put it in her blast too yeah yeah so we will we'll do all that um again to try to draw some attention to it great good good great is there any other discussion on the uh public hearing the 19th all right seeing none the only other item of other business that I had was we had discussed the idea of holding a Grant application Workshop in late September um I don't know I I guess what is the sense of the of the committee about that is that something that we still want to hold my concern is that we might put a lot of work into planning it and then have a couple of sort of the familiar faces submitting applications who don't need any workshopping or help is it possible that we could wait until the September 9th public hearing and and see if there's some interest from people who have never put in an application before and we'd be kind of holding their hand yeah I agree with you otherwise it's not worth a big yeah what do we see wait till the after the public hearing or or mention it at the public hearing and see if there's any interest yeah okay sounds good we'll do that then is there any other other business no I'll make a motion to adjourn I'm going to go to another meeting my third my third tonight and I'll second that motion any discussion seeing none um Reed hi Leo hi barl I Pang Gallo I all right thank you all very much okay good night everybody good night good